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Title: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" out in NA via XSEED!
Post by: broodwars on January 29, 2010, 10:43:00 AM
Apparently Hironobu Sakaguchi's been teasing this one for a while, but it looks like Mistwalker's finally going to produce an RPG for Wii. All we know about the game so far is that it is an RPG on Wii; has a 2010 release date (in Japan, at least); and apparently has gorgeous music as evidenced by this website (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/index.html).
I'm looking forward to hearing more on this game as it develops, as RPGs are rare on Wii. Hopefully this game will be better than what I've heard of Mistwalker's other projects on the 360.
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Mistwalker's Official Blog: link (http://www.mistwalkercorp.com/en/column/index.html)
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Post by: SixthAngel on January 29, 2010, 11:58:06 AM
I know Mistwalker is made from some guys who made Square RPGs in the past. What RPGs did they work on before they became the current company and made those 36o games.?
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Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2010, 12:05:33 PM
Praise the lord.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on January 29, 2010, 12:06:17 PM
I know Mistwalker is made from some guys who made Square RPGs in the past. What RPGs did they work on before they became the current company and made those 36o games.?
Well, Hironobu Sakaguchi (creator of Final Fantasy and head of the franchise up through FF X) and Nobuo Uematsu (composer for all but a few of the Final Fantasy games) were two of the key people behind Final Fantasy who work at Mistwalker (though Uematsu is a freelancer), so that gives you some idea.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 29, 2010, 12:41:39 PM
Mistwalker made several HD games already, right? I think so far practically all HD jRPGs were garbage (or at least severely sub-par) so I don't think MW made any real standout games.
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Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2010, 12:44:22 PM
My perception is that all of Mistwalker's games were decent efforts, but nothing outstanding.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on January 29, 2010, 12:46:58 PM
Mistwalker made several HD games already, right? I think so far practically all HD jRPGs were garbage (or at least severely sub-par) so I don't think MW made any real standout games.
From what I've heard and seen of Lost Odyssey, it's not so much bad as an extremely acquired taste (especially the Thousand Years of Dreams segments). Same with Blue Dragon. Not all that different from the Baten Kaitos games on GameCube, which IMO were good->exceptional (especially Origins) but were very niche. There's definitely talent at Mistwalker, but so far it hasn't been channeled into anything exceptional. Hopefully with Nintendo Co-producing this game with them, it'll bear good results this time.
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Post by: noname2200 on January 29, 2010, 03:10:40 PM
"The Last Story."
Is Sakaguchi trying to repeat history or something? I wish him luck!
Mistwalker made several HD games already, right? I think so far practically all HD jRPGs were garbage (or at least severely sub-par) so I don't think MW made any real standout games.
Lost Odyssey was hardly garbage.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2010, 05:31:24 PM
Stuff for the OP
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Post by: broodwars on January 29, 2010, 05:39:59 PM
So noted. If anyone finds anything else they want put up in the OP, let me know.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2010, 05:47:07 PM
More information will be available in stages. Don't miss it.
Well... I've got to get back to work on balancing battle system... Production is near the final phase.
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Post by: Adrock on January 29, 2010, 08:41:42 PM
Ha Lulz..... Sakaguchi just used synonyms to take back his series from Square Enix. Mistwalker is even using the whole cryptic image behind the title thing that the Final Fantasy series is known for.
How many Last Stories will there be before we actually see the last one? In any case, between this and Xenoblade (from Monolith Soft), it's about time the Wii is getting some notable RPGs.
Lost Odyssey was okay. It was pretty generic and from what I heard, since I never finished it, the story fell apart entirely in the last act.
Edit: Xenoblade is Monado, apparently
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2010, 10:50:53 PM
edit: apparently it has nothing to do with the game, it's just art.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 30, 2010, 03:41:28 AM
Whoa, that dude's got boobs.
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Post by: Stratos on January 30, 2010, 02:41:32 PM
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Well... I've got to get back to work on balancing battle system... Production is near the final phase.
So is he saying it's almost done? Think it could be out by the Summer then?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2010, 01:46:52 AM
Sakaguchi Focused on The Last Story (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/02/sakaguchi_focused_on_last_story/)
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Mistwalker CEO Hironobu Sakaguchi is a big shot producer, so it's likely that he handles multiple projects at once. At present, however, his focus is on one project in particular: The Last Story.
In his latest post at the Mistwalker blog, Sakaguchi said of the recently announced Wii RPG, "At present, I'm focused on this one game. It's my only project."
He likened development of the game to raising a lone daughter, although he later noted that the game is actually like a child who's receiving the love of the entire development staff. "It will be raised strongly, beautifully, and gently," said Sakaguchi.
While The Last Story is Sakaguchi's only game project, he does still find time for hobbies. In the blog post, you'll see his latest lego creation. He put the ship together while waiting for the required documents to download.
The download process apparently takes an hour due to the slow internet speeds in Hawaii. It looks like Sakaguchi is away from Japan at present.
This is good news.
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Post by: Stogi on February 02, 2010, 01:52:23 AM
albeit a little weird.
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Post by: noname2200 on February 02, 2010, 04:57:21 PM
i thought Mistwalker was too small to handle more than one project, so that's no surprise. What is surprising is that translation, which I hope was severely borked.
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Post by: Stratos on February 03, 2010, 01:08:50 AM
It could just be cultural imagery that is different from ours.
Raising something 'strongly, beautifully and gently' may have a different meaning that we would think of it being. I personally don't have a problem with the wording because I think he's just saying they are 'babying' the project or that it is their baby.
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Post by: Stogi on February 03, 2010, 03:28:33 AM
He's not concerned about the recently announced Wii RPG, though. "It’s almost complete and has my full satisfaction," writes Sakaguchi.
Maybe we'll get a full unveiling sooner than we thought :)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Stratos on February 09, 2010, 02:03:34 AM
Could they reveal something at GDC, you think?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 02:18:53 AM
I think it's possible and hope it happens. I really want this game to be the new Final Fantasy since SE has no interest in bringing the franchise over. So I hope they have a grand reveal and this game is everything we could imagine and more.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Stratos on February 09, 2010, 02:35:47 AM
I just hope our hopes and dreams aren't crushed by cruel, mean old Nintendo.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on February 09, 2010, 09:24:52 PM
This game along with Arc Rise Fantasia will create a good RPG duo on the wii.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: noname2200 on February 09, 2010, 09:59:01 PM
This game along with Arc Rise Fantasia will create a good RPG duo on the wii.
This should be stressed more. 2010 has some significance for RPG enthusiasts with Wiis. (i'm not one of them, i'm just saying)
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 09, 2010, 11:39:12 PM
If the wii becomes a good home to RPG games we could see a proper final fantasy game, but maybe this is wishful thinking on my part.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 11:41:38 PM
The Last Story just might be out "Proper" Final Fantasy. It is made by the guy that created Final Fantasy and worked on Final Fantasy all the way up through FFX.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 10, 2010, 12:26:12 AM
Square Enix may release a proper Final Fantasy game as a middle finger to their former employee. Perhaps Sakaguchi is going to take the best from the FF series and blend it with some new stuff. However, The Last Story may be one of those RPGs that we have not really experienced in a while. The game could be the Chrono Trigger and FF 6 of this console generation. Something that in ten years people will still want to play.
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Post by: Stogi on February 10, 2010, 12:35:00 AM
i can't help but laugh everytime i read the title
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Post by: Ymeegod on February 10, 2010, 12:40:07 AM
I liked LO myself, yeah it's combat system is your standare fare but the story is top notch stuff. I kinda doubt we'll get it stateside by 2010 though considering it doesn't even have a Japan release date.
Anyone hear about Tales of Graces release date? Summer maybe?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 18, 2010, 02:10:19 PM
Looks like AQI has a hand in development of The Last Story
Translated Contract Development Highlights: - Resident Evil: Dark Side Chronicles (Capcom) - NieR Gestalt/NieR Replicant (Square Enix) - Ninety-Nine Nights II (Konami Digital Entertainment) - The Last Story (Mistwalker Corporation)
AQ Interactive owns Artoon, Cavia, Feel Plus, Microcabin and XSEED.
And it's been reported that Mistwalker has been working with Artoon on something for the last few years, so it seems like Artoon might be working on this one.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on February 18, 2010, 03:07:07 PM
So....this is what Span Smasher became? j/k
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Post by: broodwars on March 11, 2010, 05:46:34 PM
Mistwalker's updated their official blog with a trio of concept art and some information on the game's setting. Thanks to IGN, apparently the game's world will be a place called Ruri Island, which is a very prosperous and is ruled by stock JRPG villain Count Arganon (who has "great ambitions").
Enjoy the images. I'll update the original post once we have some real screenshots.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 11, 2010, 10:14:23 PM
Twenty years from now there will probably be a Last Story 13 with various spin offs. ;D I have high expectations for this game.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2010, 02:07:12 PM
Official site is up where IGN ripped the pics from http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/column/
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Post by: iDraTion on March 16, 2010, 01:43:05 AM
Anyone else think the link that Reggie posted could look like Wind Waker's re-surfaced Hyrule? Are they concept art or is that the style of the game?
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2010, 02:09:43 AM
The island is shaped like Mother Brain.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2010, 10:59:18 AM
website update: New Artwork
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The English text in the lower right corner of the map tells the background story of Ruli Island. This was detailed last week.
In today's column, the game's director wrote that in creating Ruli City, he wanted to convey the feeling of actually being there. He also mentioned game-like elements for the city -- the changing reactions of passersby, things flying in the wind, and even "desperate escapes."
Wrote the director, "Prior to creating the city, we visited small towns in France and Italy. It was for research. Of course, it's a fantasy virtual world, so there's no need to make it match reality. However, by incorporating architectural designs that were made to support life over a long history, we will be able to build a convincing world."
Ruli City serves as the base of your adventures, said the director.
The game's producer, presumably Mistwalker's Hironobu Sakaguchi, made note of some of the differences in design between Ruli City and the cities you find in other RPGs. In most RPGs, he explained, designers add dead ends to road ways and create wide roads, all in an effort to keep the player from getting lost. "However, the city of The Last Story is expansive, and if you walk a good amount, you'll probably get lost. There are few dead ends, and a large number of narrow roadways."
"There's a reason for this type of setting. Please, walk around Ruli City aimlessly to experience that reason."
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 19, 2010, 12:35:22 AM
Those pictures make it seem as if the game is going to try and be a Fable game for the wii. I have high hopes for this game because I want a good RPG for the wii.
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Post by: broodwars on March 19, 2010, 01:28:42 AM
Well, it's a nice additional batch of concept art, with a very distinct European Mediterranean style . I'd like to see what the game actually looks like, though, because concept art can be radically misleading.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 19, 2010, 02:46:33 AM
I really liked the sci-fi elements of Final Fantasy 7 and 8 and I hope that those elements are put into this game in some way. Second, with Dragon Quest 10 being an exclusive title, is there any chance that Final Fantasy XV would be a wii exclusive? If this were to happen the wii would be a RPG power house.
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Post by: broodwars on March 19, 2010, 09:15:53 AM
I really liked the sci-fi elements of Final Fantasy 7 and 8 and I hope that those elements are put into this game in some way. Second, with Dragon Quest 10 being an exclusive title, is there any chance that Final Fantasy XV would be a wii exclusive? If this were to happen the wii would be a RPG power house.
No, Final Fantasy is Square's flagship title for presentation, and Square will probably want to get several games out using the XIII engine after all the time and money they spent developing it. Numbered Final Fantasy won't be leaving the HD consoles anytime soon.
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Post by: Kytim89 on March 19, 2010, 01:57:54 PM
This games artwork also looks similar to that of Avalon Code for the DS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2010, 01:48:25 PM
More Artwork but sadly no actual screen shots yet.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/vdhapf.jpg)
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(http://i44.tinypic.com/sc8jt5.jpg)
and some charcter art too: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/column/#3
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2010, 02:07:32 PM
The game probably looks like ass. That, or Famitsu probably secured exclusivity for posting the first in-game screens in their dumb magazine. For which, they can jump off a cliff.
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Post by: ShyGuy on March 30, 2010, 02:09:40 PM
What if those WERE screen shots?
/false HYPE
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Post by: broodwars on March 30, 2010, 02:10:05 PM
At the very least, we're getting some awesome potential wallpaper there. I'm starting to get very suspicious about what this game actually looks like with in-game assets, though...especially if this title is supposed to release in Japan this year.
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Post by: Caliban on March 31, 2010, 03:19:16 AM
Seas of Arcadia? Yes, please.
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Post by: Tobli on March 31, 2010, 12:53:37 PM
I am pretty excited that the Wii is finally getting some rpg action.
Lost Odyssey Disc 1 & 2 were superb, but it lost some steam after that, and the combat system could use some ooomph.
Quote from: KDR_11k
I think so far practically all HD jRPGs were garbage
:confused;
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Post by: Stogi on March 31, 2010, 07:07:46 PM
Good God! Did Miyazaki draw those cause they look good enough to be in one of his movies!
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Post by: broodwars on March 31, 2010, 08:24:24 PM
Seriously, why haven't people other than Capcom with Okami, tried to make a game look exactly like a painting?
Because people don't want to buy games that look like paintings.
:'(
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Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2010, 09:43:21 PM
This game will probably be a day one purchase for me. It's been a while since I bought a new RPG (I'm not counting Chrono Trigger on DS). The last one I remember buying is Skies of Arcadia Legends. Yeah, I know.....
I want to support these kinds of games lest developers stop making them on the Wii almost immediately after they started releasing them. Not that me purchasing the game will stop them, but it can't hurt. Also, The Last Story is the first RPG to remind me of Final Fantasy IX since Final Fantasy IX which was the last Final Fantasy released before the series became Star Wars. That's based on artwork alone which isn't much of a basis but the game does seem to be more medieval than sci-fi.
Oh, by the way, sweet tiger.......
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Post by: broodwars on April 10, 2010, 09:58:31 PM
Also, The Last Story is the first RPG to remind me of Final Fantasy IX since Final Fantasy IX which was the last Final Fantasy released before the series became Star Wars. That's based on artwork alone which isn't much of a basis but the game does seem to be more medieval than sci-fi.
Oh, by the way, sweet tiger.......
Actually, Final Fantasy has had Star Wars similarities since all the way back to FF II (Japan), and really stepped up the Sci-Fi angle with FF VII and especially FF VIII. FF IX and X reversed course with their medieval and tropical themes. The next ones that went back in that Sci-Fi direction were FF XII and XIII.
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Post by: Stratos on April 11, 2010, 12:12:24 AM
Based on art style alone 12 actually struck me as more of a hybrid sci-fi/medieval look. 10's tropical theme just made me think of kingdom hearts because you started out on that island in that game.
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Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2010, 01:43:08 AM
Actually, Final Fantasy has had Star Wars similarities since all the way back to FF II (Japan), and really stepped up the Sci-Fi angle with FF VII and especially FF VIII. FF IX and X reversed course with their medieval and tropical themes. The next ones that went back in that Sci-Fi direction were FF XII and XIII.
I was joking.... but yes, I am aware. I've played every single game in the system besides XI (which I don't count) and XIII (which I haven't gotten around to yet). All Final Fantasy games have some sci-fi elements. I just prefer the more medieval ones. FFVI is my favorite and FFIX reminded of the pre-FFVII titles (which was the whole point).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2010, 03:15:12 PM
The Last Story seems to be near completion, so hopefully that means screens incoming at E3.
"Recently, I often end up waking up at 5:00. Is it jet lag? Or am I on edge because LS is approaching completion?"
"Last Story's development is at long last in the final stages. The feeling of tension is pleasant."
I wonder if Sakaguchi's doing all this tweeting and blogging because he's trying to generate interest in the title, or if he genuinely wants to talk about the game but is being muzzled by Nintendo.
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Post by: broodwars on April 14, 2010, 02:21:27 PM
"Recently, I often end up waking up at 5:00. Is it jet lag? Or am I on edge because LS is approaching completion?"
"Last Story's development is at long last in the final stages. The feeling of tension is pleasant."
Once again, I've been burned by too many developers (especially on Wii) who just like to hype their games to kingdom come without anything to show for it. Put up or shut up. If you want us to get excited for your game, Sakaguchi, show us actual in-game screenshots or movies. Otherwise, shut the hell up and wait for E3, where this game will probably get at least some sort or reveal.
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Post by: Adrock on April 14, 2010, 04:51:03 PM
If I recall correctly, Nintendo filed the patent to The Last Story last year so they either own the IP or share it with Mistwalker. I'm sure they're not going to release it unless it's done right. Nintendo is publishing this game themselves afterall.
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Post by: Peachylala on April 15, 2010, 11:21:58 AM
I'm sure they're not going to release it unless it's done right. Nintendo is publishing this game themselves afterall.
Fatal Frame IV, how tragic your fate is.
Let's not forget Disaster: Day of Crisis as well. Star Fox Assault (and maybe Adventures as well...did Nintendo publish that thing?) and Geist from last generation also come to mind. Nintendo publishing a game does not guarantee that it will be awesome.
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Post by: Adrock on April 15, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
Yes, we can all name less than stellar games that Nintendo has published. I usually go back to the well and use Wario: Master of Disguise. I didn't say Nintendo publishing The Last Story guarantees success (guarantees being the operative word here), nor am I implying such. However, based on Nintendo's track record of releasing quality titles, I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by: Peachylala on April 17, 2010, 01:56:57 AM
I'm sure they're not going to release it unless it's done right. Nintendo is publishing this game themselves afterall.
Fatal Frame IV, how tragic your fate is.
Let's not forget Disaster: Day of Crisis as well. Star Fox Assault (and maybe Adventures as well...did Nintendo publish that thing?) and Geist from last generation also come to mind. Nintendo publishing a game does not guarantee that it will be awesome.
From what I heard, Disaster plays well. The rest, however, are fair game. FFIV was due to Temco's dickery in not polishing it. The rest stemmed from horrible gameplay ideas.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 18, 2010, 12:12:45 AM
Here is a good breakdown of whats going on in The (Last) Story board <pun>
Quote from: Duckroll @ NeoGAF
The battle begins. (http://i39.tinypic.com/x23rqh.jpg)
The enemies have noticed the main character. (http://i42.tinypic.com/2ypjbyb.jpg)
The "pointers" are centered on the main character. (http://i41.tinypic.com/10ckl1d.jpg)
The main character attacks the enemies with his sword. (http://i44.tinypic.com/mr4dx2.jpg)
A party member begins charging a spell for casting. (http://i40.tinypic.com/ou16xv.jpg)
The enemy "pointers" shift to that party member to show their change in target. (http://i42.tinypic.com/16gl8o8.jpg)
The main character uses "gathering" to make the enemies target him instead. (http://i39.tinypic.com/2nvh3ev.jpg)
The party member's spell is cast successfully, enchanting the main character's sword. (http://i41.tinypic.com/aa8483.jpg)
The main character finishes the enemies off with his enchanted sword attacks. (http://i42.tinypic.com/okzk8z.jpg)
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Post by: Stratos on April 18, 2010, 05:17:42 AM
Think it could be co-op?
Though if it played like World Ends With You with the dual player control I'd be quite happy as well.
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Post by: Adrock on April 18, 2010, 07:00:56 PM
A 2-player co-op RPG that works? Do want. A kind of feel like the only way one would work is if it was action based, not turn based which would make it even more win. /needs to stop getting his hopes up.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 19, 2010, 12:42:40 AM
Is this game even real?
As for a 2-player co-op RPG that wurks, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. Since it's actiony, it feels less like an RPG, making it better than RPGs.
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Post by: Tobli on April 19, 2010, 05:37:59 AM
Quote from: NinGurl69
Since it's actiony, it feels less like an RPG, making it better than RPGs.
Please tell me that this isn't serious, please....
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on April 19, 2010, 12:17:10 PM
Honestly isn't that hyped "gathering" feature just the taunt ability used in many (MMO)RPGs?
Yeah, it sounds an awful lot like "aggro" to me as well. Hell, I was just finishing up FF XIII last night, and the Sentinel's Provoke Ability pretty much does what this storyboard describes. It's nothing special: just a tank drawing enemies to them, and then going on offense when buffed.
I don't know about this one. The more we hear about it, the less appealing it becomes. Hopefully, when this game gets its official unveiling with all the screenshots and videos I've practically been pleading for, it'll turn out all this skepticism was misplaced.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2010, 07:54:55 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/v4at5c.jpg) Large Version: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/column/img/column_08_bg.jpg (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/column/img/column_08_bg.jpg)
Quote from: Duckroll - translated summary
Some short points about what they shared today:
- The game's battle system is a mix of realtime action and command input
- They wanted to create a brand sort of battle system for RPGs, so there was a lot of trial and error involved
- Aside from "Gathering" another important system in the game is the "Magic Circle" system which sounds like an area effect buff - there are different types healing, flame, etc
- The battles are in real time, but the action can be paused for the player to input different commands and change the tactics and AI settings of party members
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: KDR_11k on April 20, 2010, 08:02:52 AM
I think most jRPG designers could learn a lot if they played through Dawn of War 2. It seems themost they've played is some MMORPGs which don't really hold a candle to dedicated singleplayer games if you subtract the social aspect.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Stratos on April 20, 2010, 06:18:20 PM
I think most jRPG designers could learn a lot if they played through Dawn of War 2. It seems themost they've played is some MMORPGs which don't really hold a candle to dedicated singleplayer games if you subtract the social aspect.
Development houses should have 'in service days' like schools do where no normal classes are held except instead of going to teaching and topical workshops the devs play other games in the genre of the game(s) they are currently working on.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2010, 09:03:26 PM
First screenshots of the game appear in Famitsu Magazine
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/38005/
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Post by: broodwars on April 26, 2010, 09:09:39 PM
About time. Unfortunately, I can't make much out of screenshots so small and dark.
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Post by: Adrock on April 26, 2010, 09:28:15 PM
The pic on the left is clearly the female lead and logo girl. Can't tell if it's CG. The pic on the right looks like a battle sequence. The lasers remind me of those target lines from Final Fantasy XII, except not arched. It could just be a magic spell, but the FFXII targeting system was the first thing that came to mind.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Stratos on April 27, 2010, 04:23:09 AM
From what I can make out it looks nice. I agree it's taken way too long to show anything of actual substance from the game.
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Post by: Armak88 on April 27, 2010, 10:41:34 AM
I hope there is more colour than what those shots show. The concept art had really sharp colouring that I thought looked really cool.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2010, 12:26:36 PM
This game is looking really good. I got the link to the HQ scans (all the pics from the Famitsu article)
Here is the write up on siliconera: http://www.siliconera.com/2010/04/27/first-glimpse-at-the-last-story/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/04/27/first-glimpse-at-the-last-story/)
and here is a direct link to the HQ scans: http://www.allgamesbeta.info/2010/04/famitsu-scans-last-story-xenoblade.html (http://www.allgamesbeta.info/2010/04/famitsu-scans-last-story-xenoblade.html)
These are the graphics we all knew the Wii was capable of, it's a shame that games like this are just now popping up 4 years later.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on April 27, 2010, 01:58:23 PM
This game is looking really good. I got the link to the HQ scans (all the pics from the Famitsu article)
Here is the write up on siliconera: http://www.siliconera.com/2010/04/27/first-glimpse-at-the-last-story/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/04/27/first-glimpse-at-the-last-story/)
and here is a direct link to the HQ scans: http://www.allgamesbeta.info/2010/04/famitsu-scans-last-story-xenoblade.html (http://www.allgamesbeta.info/2010/04/famitsu-scans-last-story-xenoblade.html)
These are the graphics we all knew the Wii was capable of, it's a shame that games like this are just now popping up 4 years later.
Alright, that's better. Yes, the game does look nice, probably a little bit better than Xenoblade right now. Now let's see some videos showing how it plays, and I'll be satisfied.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 27, 2010, 02:32:36 PM
I knew it. Famitsu print mag and their Zephos-forsaken press exclusives.
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Post by: Adrock on April 27, 2010, 04:56:20 PM
/impressed
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Nemo on April 28, 2010, 12:18:51 AM
I was starting to get excited until I realized it'll probably be out in Japan before the end of the year, then won't be here for another 9 months. So, this is probably more than a year away. (Just a guess.)
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Post by: noname2200 on April 28, 2010, 01:02:37 AM
Lookin' good! Hope it plays just as well. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: KDR_11k on April 28, 2010, 01:34:31 AM
The lasers remind me of those target lines from Final Fantasy XII, except not arched. It could just be a magic spell, but the FFXII targeting system was the first thing that came to mind.
They're targeting lines, I believe those were used to illustrate the taunt function.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Adrock on April 28, 2010, 01:46:06 AM
I was starting to get excited until I realized it'll probably be out in Japan before the end of the year, then won't be here for another 9 months. So, this is probably more than a year away. (Just a guess.)
I don't think Nintendo is stupid enough to march The Last Story out to die against Zelda which will probably (or, rather should) be their big Q4 release. They had the sense to move Other M the hell away from Sin and Punishment so the same could be expected here. A late September/early October release for The Last Story would be perfect. I expect 2010 to be the Wii's last major year since I'm convinced they're rolling out a successor late 2011. I mean, they're certainly pulling out the stops with Galaxy 2, Other M and most likely Zelda this year. Xenoblade will likely be their last major release for the console. Since The Last Story is supposedly almost completed, I think it's certainly possible for it to release in the US this year.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on April 28, 2010, 01:52:14 AM
Since The Last Story is supposedly almost completed, I think it's certainly possible for it to release in the US this year.
I wouldn't be so convinced of that, considering I don't believe NoA or Mistwalker have officially announced yet that they're bringing the game over here, which tells me that they either haven't started or haven't gotten very far in the localization process yet. If we get the game, I don't think it will be till early next year, probably February-April 2011. Of course, if Zelda falls into 2011 (which I fully expect it to), they could push it up to get it out before Christmas and away from Zelda. Mistwalker would also want this game released away from Xenoblade as well, and we don't know yet when that's coming, either.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Adrock on April 28, 2010, 02:09:40 AM
True. NoA didn't bring over Archaic Sealed Heat, another Mistwalker game. Still, I do expect NoA to localize The Last Story. Nintendo and Mistwalker have been talking the game up as the best thing since Jesus. Also, they've been pretty mum on the details in general, especially considering we only just recently got screenshots. Whether or not Nintendo has been working on the localization process is up in the air. Additionally, Chrono Trigger on SNES was translated by one man in roughly 30 days. Not ideal, but possible.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Stratos on April 28, 2010, 02:54:37 AM
RIP ASH... :'(
And Soma Bringer...and Tact of Magic...and Another Code R...what else will be cruelly withheld from us?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: noname2200 on April 30, 2010, 12:59:45 PM
And Soma Bringer...and Tact of Magic...and Another Code R...what else will be cruelly withheld from us?
Zeingleiv no Somethingorother
Disaster: Day of Cheesy Dialog.
Captain Skittles...
fixed 'cause you were doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Crimm on May 04, 2010, 02:30:27 PM
Zangeki no Reginlev: the first game to be delocalized. If there is demand I can do a preview for this. It will be good practice for future endeavors (tease).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: SixthAngel on May 04, 2010, 02:54:40 PM
I have Zangenki no Reginlev. I'll give my impressions in that thread tomorrow. its awesome
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Crimm on May 04, 2010, 04:26:08 PM
By "this" I meant The Last Story. We're never getting "The 'Lev".
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2010, 05:48:39 AM
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2010, 04:02:49 PM
The Last Story scans from the latest Famitsu
First Pics of the game in action: http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/new--the-last-story--famitsu-s/1075022?page=1 (http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/new--the-last-story--famitsu-s/1075022?page=1)
Adriasang comments on the article itself (which is in Japanese) http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/02/last_story_update/
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 02, 2010, 03:36:38 PM
new info: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/07/02/last_story_blog_update/
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 02, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
new info: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/07/02/last_story_blog_update/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/07/02/last_story_blog_update/)
Curious. It looks like they're kind of taking the idea FF XIII had of having your characters run around and talk to each other on the move as you traverse the environment. I'm not sure how I feel about this idea of having your characters constantly talking to each other, though, even in battle. Sure, I like good character development, but I get the feeling that all that talking could be really overbearing and distracting (not to mention, if it occurs using text instead of voice acting it would be even more distracting). I am interested to know what he means by it possibly being related to your characters' skills.
This does make me feel like quoting Hawk Girl from Justice League Unlimited, though: "Less talking, more hitting!" :P:
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: noname2200 on July 04, 2010, 05:14:36 PM
new info: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/07/02/last_story_blog_update/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/07/02/last_story_blog_update/)
Curious. It looks like they're kind of taking the idea FF XIII had of having your characters run around and talk to each other on the move as you traverse the environment. I'm not sure how I feel about this idea of having your characters constantly talking to each other, though, even in battle. Sure, I like good character development, but I get the feeling that all that talking could be really overbearing and distracting (not to mention, if it occurs using text instead of voice acting it would be even more distracting). I am interested to know what he means by it possibly being related to your characters' skills.
This does make me feel like quoting Hawk Girl from Justice League Unlimited, though: "Less talking, more hitting!" :P: :
I imagine it'll be similar to Dragon Age's system of having party members chit-chat (albeit in an expanded version), with perhaps a shade of Fire Emblem's companion system for the second part. Admittedly, I have nothing solid to back up this guess. It'd be cool though.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Stratos on July 04, 2010, 09:30:38 PM
FE's companion system was the first thing that came to mind for Last Story. I doubt it would be the push of the main story, more background information. I also think of how the banter between the Prince and Farrah in the first Sands of Time changed and evolved as their relationship did over the course of their journey.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 08, 2010, 10:35:51 AM
Well, The Last Story Finally has an official trailer (http://www.destructoid.com/the-last-story-finally-gets-a-trailer-178469.phtml) with gameplay footage we can see of all gameplay modes. Honestly, after watching that trailer I'm really not liking the look of this game. It's extremely dark and grimy, with extremely diminished colors. It's just ugly, and it unfortunately reminds me of a terrible JRPG I played fairly recently called Resonance of Fate (the gameplay reminds me a bit of Resonance as well) that also was bland and gray. I can see what Mistwalker's going for, but it just doesn't work here. Especially after playing both Tales of Vesperia and Valkyria Chronicles, I really have to ask why this game wasn't Cel Shaded (and why we don't see more Cel Shaded JRPGs). It's a look that looks fantastic whether you're working with Wii or the HD consoles.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Pale on July 08, 2010, 10:47:09 AM
Trailer is interesting.
Overall I think the gameplay looks a little too button mashy for me based on the fact that there are no menus or anything shown.
Now, if they did end up doing something like FF 12, I would definitely get behind that.
I'm kind of doubting this is going to make it in my console any time soon.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 08, 2010, 10:55:32 AM
Overall I think the gameplay looks a little too button mashy for me based on the fact that there are no menus or anything shown.
Now, if they did end up doing something like FF 12, I would definitely get behind that.
I'm kind of doubting this is going to make it in my console any time soon.
The gameplay reminds me a little of Rogue Galaxy with a Cover System (Resonance also used a Cover System), which could be ok. I'm alright with "button mashy" combat if there's some layer of depth to it (Rogue Galaxy had special attacks you paused the game to access from a menu).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Sarail on July 08, 2010, 11:17:30 AM
Trailer looks awesome, and now I'm very excited about playing the game. I love the cover system, and I can't wait to flip over boxes and sneak attack enemies from behind. Looks crazy fun.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on July 08, 2010, 12:01:55 PM
After watching the trailer for this game and witnessing the sheer beauty of it, I am convinced that anything is now possible on the wii if the developer is willing to put up the effort. It seems like wii games are getting better and such games as this one, Monster Hunter 3 and SMG 2 help prove my point.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 08, 2010, 12:18:01 PM
After watching the trailer for this game and witnessing the sheer beauty of it, I am convinced that anything is now possible on the wii if the developer is willing to put up the effort. It seems like wii games are getting better and such games as this one, Monster Hunter 3 and SMG 2 help prove my point.
Meh, I don't know. I never thought Monster Hunter 3 looked particularly good, either, outside some of the monster models. To me, very little good comes of trying to pull off a more "realistic" style on Wii like you could on the HD consoles. The Wii's just too weak to make it look good (for that matter, so was the GameCube) 9 times out of 10, freak accidents like Resident Evil 4 nonwithstanding. Stylization is the way to go on Wii, which is why SMG 2 looks so good.
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Post by: Sarail on July 08, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
I really like the gritty look to the game's graphics, though. I think that adds a bit to the "cover" ability in the game. Hopefully the battles will have a bit of intensity to them.
I also hope Sakaguchi evolves this series and keeps it on Nintendo's consoles... let it be OUR Final Fantasy, if you will. It can only get stronger in doing so.
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Post by: Caliban on July 08, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
Awesome trailer. I'm definitely interested in trying out the gameplay mechanics for myself.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 08, 2010, 03:16:31 PM
I really like the gritty look to the game's graphics, though. I think that adds a bit to the "cover" ability in the game. Hopefully the battles will have a bit of intensity to them.
I also hope Sakaguchi evolves this series and keeps it on Nintendo's consoles... let it be OUR Final Fantasy, if you will. It can only get stronger in doing so.
I agree with this staement, but I hope they never run the series into the ground with all kinds of nonsense. Is this game a day one purchase for all of? In my case, it definently is a day one purchase.
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Post by: Sarail on July 08, 2010, 03:22:07 PM
Absolutely day one for me. :)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Pale on July 08, 2010, 03:32:39 PM
After watching the trailer for this game and witnessing the sheer beauty of it, I am convinced that anything is now possible on the wii if the developer is willing to put up the effort. It seems like wii games are getting better and such games as this one, Monster Hunter 3 and SMG 2 help prove my point.
Said like a true Wii-Only owner.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on July 08, 2010, 03:37:39 PM
After watching the trailer for this game and witnessing the sheer beauty of it, I am convinced that anything is now possible on the wii if the developer is willing to put up the effort. It seems like wii games are getting better and such games as this one, Monster Hunter 3 and SMG 2 help prove my point.
Said like a true Wii-Only owner.
I own a PS2 and every day I ask myself why I do not have a PS3, but for some reason I am very impressed by the wii. I am just saying that such games as The Last Story and various others are signs that the wii is evolving into something much better.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Sarail on July 08, 2010, 03:41:21 PM
Certain Wii games can definitely look good, sure. But I can't fathom how anything can get better looking than SMG2 on this system... stylized or not.
Don't get me wrong, The Last Story looks great for a Wii game. But I don't think developers can tap too much more into our little white (and now black) system that could.
Nintendo needs to get on the ball and start letting us know that something bigger and better, as far as a new console goes, is coming.
EDIT: With that said... I love my PS3. And I know you do, too, Pale. :)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Pale on July 08, 2010, 03:43:07 PM
After watching the trailer for this game and witnessing the sheer beauty of it, I am convinced that anything is now possible on the wii if the developer is willing to put up the effort. It seems like wii games are getting better and such games as this one, Monster Hunter 3 and SMG 2 help prove my point.
Said like a true Wii-Only owner.
I own a PS2 and every day I ask myself why I do not have a PS3, but for some reason I am very impressed by the wii. I am just saying that such games as The Last Story and various others are signs that the wii is evolving into something much better.
There is something drastically different between saying you are impressed with Wii graphics and saying "anything is now possible."
There's nothing wrong with only owning a Wii (of current gen). It's just a fact that if you do own one of the HD consoles and are looking for an RPG, you can most likely find an (at least) equally as good game that looks infinitely better graphically.
That's why I doubt I'll be picking this game up any time soon (possibly ever).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 08, 2010, 03:47:11 PM
There's nothing wrong with only owning a Wii (of current gen). It's just a fact that if you do own one of the HD consoles and are looking for an RPG, you can most likely find an (at least) equally as good game that looks infinitely better graphically.
Tales of Vesperia, Ninokuni (now coming to America!), and Valkyria Chronicles look infinitely better than this game on the HD consoles. And that's just tying a hand behind my back and sticking with Cel Shaded titles. Even the art style of Lost Odyssey looks better than this.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Caliban on July 08, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
*facepalm* Seriously.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Mop it up on July 08, 2010, 04:53:31 PM
General Gaming is this way. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?board=11.0) Leave this topic to those who will enjoy this game.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 08, 2010, 04:57:16 PM
In case no one's noticed yet, the staff have posted a better quality version of that trailer, which you can see here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6VlunNWwXY&feature=player_embedded). It looks like Destructoid had a very dark and blury version of that video, as this one's significantly brighter and clearer (though still darker than I'd like).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Pale on July 08, 2010, 05:01:02 PM
General Gaming is this way. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?board=11.0) Leave this topic to those who will enjoy this game.
No fences, but discussing one's opinion about the graphics of a game definitely belongs in this thread.
It was more a pre-emptive suggestion, because I know what kind of firestorm can happen when someone makes a comment such as "every game is better on an HD system." That's a discussion for General Gaming, I think.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Mannypon on July 09, 2010, 01:42:28 AM
I don't know, I'm loving the trailer. As a big fan of Lost Odyssey, I actually think this looks better graphically as I found alot of the characters and locations to look quite generic to me in Lost Odyssey. I loved the writing, especially those individual stories written by an author. Those short stories really added a lot of atmosphere to the game and the main character.
Back to this game though, I do love the look of the game but I do agree with everyone that's complaining that it's too dark and grimy. Based on the initial artwork they showed, I was expecting something more colorful, aking to an anime. This seems to be going for a much more realistic look which works but doesn't meet the expectations set by the inital art pieces.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on July 09, 2010, 02:28:18 AM
I have to wonder what kind of impact such a game as the Last Story will have on RPGs for the wii. It seems like there has been a drought of RPGs for the wii and I have a feeling that this game will be the official king of its genre on the wii, unless Dragon Quest 10 dethrones it when it finally comes out.
I was going to create a new topic centered around all the RPGs coming out for the wii either soon, or some time next year and what it means for the industry and for Nintendo's consoles. Basically, I wanted to test my theory that we could be entering anew golden age of RPGs for Nintendo's consoles akin to the SNES era.
The reason why I brought this up is that during that era we saw many ground breaking franchises emerge, or evolve. I can not think of two franchises that set the stage than Final Fantasy 6 and Chrono Trigger. These two games even to this day are still regarded as the best RPGs of all time. However, how long has it been since we had a truelly original role playing game that shook the foundations of the industry? This is a debatable topic, but I have the sense that the genre has been on a steady declince ever since. Here is my thesis: Will The Last Story be another popular RPG like FF6, or will it be a mediocre title.
I just have a good feeling that some truelly original and groundbreaking RPGs will come about on the wii in the months and years. What makes this so important, atleast to me, is that it just seems like a good time to be an RPG fan.
This is where my diatribe get the most interesting. You see, I know that Dragon Quest 10 is going to be a wii exclusive(or 3DS port?), but what does all of these new series mean for the Final Fantasy franchise? It means two things, First, Square-Enix might just ignore these other series and continue with a buisness as usual stuff. Second, they could make Final Fantasy 15 a wii exclusive. But Square-Enix probably does not give a **** about these other series. Honestly, I do not want to see anything Crystal Chronicles related from them on a Nintendo product for a very long time.
One might think that I am insane for suggesting that Final Fantasy 15 should be a wii exclusive, or that it is my usual nonsense about how certain games need to be on certain systems. No. I just feel like the return of a true Final Fantasy game to a Nintendo system is long over due. The HD consoles have had their fill with FF 13 and soon to be 14. They have the various spin off titles and what not to keep them buisy. What about us, the Nintendo fans? Is this a pipe dream? Most likely yes, but a man can have his dream.
A lot of Final Fantasy fans, including myself, are saying that the series needs to return to its roots and I could not agree more with this sentiment. Square-Enix, give us a Final Fantasy 9-esque installment on the wii. What better place to return to its roots than on the system that it first emerged?
However, I realize tha my dream will never come to fruition, but I do realize that we may have the closet thing to a true Final Fantasy game for wii already in the pipeline and that Game is the Last Story. So, in a way, Last Story is Final Fantasy 15 in some sense.
In a way, The Last Story and Final Fantasy are half-brothers. Similar in many ways, but different in others.
Sakaguchi(Father) + Square-Enix(mother) = Final Fantasy
Sakaguchi(Father) + Mistwalker(mother) = The Last Story
I just have to wonder if these franchise are arriving too late because the wii's life cycle might be ending soon, or are we just at the midpoint of that cycle and will continue to see not only these franchise grow and evolve, but newer as well.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Mannypon on July 09, 2010, 02:35:42 AM
I wish SE took FF back to its roots. I've grown tired of all the scifi approach they've taken. As for the Wii's rpgs, I'm looking foward to all of them as of right now. My only concern is weather or not these games will see a US release. I would asume Xenoblade will eventually get a release outside Japan as it was shown off last year at E3 but I'm a little scared that nothing was shown this year at e3. Nothing has been confirmed, as far as releases are concerned, with Last Story. We only know its coming out this year in Japan. I'll be purchasing Arc Rise Fantasia later this month as its looking similar to rpgs of old but I hope it sells well enough to encourage Nintendo, or others, to bring over Xenoblade and Last Story.
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Post by: broodwars on July 09, 2010, 10:19:42 AM
Personally, I'm sick of medieval fantasy RPGs. They were seemingly 99% of all the RPGs released up until the Playstation era, and they still seem to be the preferred brand of MMOs. I've played those kind of RPGs for more than a decade, and I'm tired of them. Besides, they're all just ripping off J.R.R. Tolkien anyway, and usually don't go far beyond that. I'll be quite content if Medieval Fantasy went on hiatus for about 10 years or so until it can become "new" again. Until then, I like seeing RPGs explore these other genres: sci-fi (Final Fantasy), contemporary (Shin Megami Tensei), western (Wild Arms), slightly more modern fantasy (the Tales series), etc.
And personally, after Bioware essentially publicly came out and threw down the smack on Square-Enix for Final Fantasy XIII, I'd like to see Square-Enix make the ultimate JRPG response to Mass Effect. :P: : :
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on July 09, 2010, 01:32:38 PM
Back when I was on the Bioware forum I had a heart warming disscussion about Bioware and Square-Enix clashing over RPG supremacy. I talked about how Square-Enix is the apex predator of the RPG genre, but it seems like they are slowly falling from grace. The once great king of JRPG and some cases even western RPGs is being replaced by Bioware.
Strangely I see Bioware emerging as the RPG apex predator, if they have not done it already. However, in order to achieve this title Bioware needs to develop for every system, including the wii. Yes, Bioware has expressed interest in developing for the wii, but they are probably interested in the HD consoles for the time being.
With all these JRPG emerging on the wii, I would be very interested to how a western RPG company like Bioware could pull of on something like the wii. This is why Last Story might be a hybrid of western and JRPG. Something to appeal to both sides and generate money.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Stogi on July 09, 2010, 03:27:58 PM
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This post is so bad, I think it gave me cancer.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Adrock on July 09, 2010, 05:36:40 PM
I have to wonder what kind of impact such a game as the Last Story will have on RPGs for the wii.
None. At best, we get a solid RPG. That suits me just fine. I expect nothing more. If you think it will make a difference and suddenly bring about some renaissance for RPGs on the Wii, you probably also believe that putting your baby teeth under your pillow will yield rewards from a magical fairy the following morning. Nintendo's next console is probably coming next year. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo told Square Enix this and asked them to move development of Dragon Quest X to the successor of the Wii. It'd make a nice launch game. Unlikely, but a girl can dream.....
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: noname2200 on July 09, 2010, 06:21:02 PM
Hmm. I'm not feeling it, to be honest. I'm more excited for Xenoblade than this game, and I'm not sure why.
Edit: To clarify, I'm not sure why I'm not feeling this game; I know why I'm excited for Xenoblade.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on July 09, 2010, 06:28:10 PM
I am keeping a watchful eye on Xenoblade. However, I am equally interested in Last Story and Dragon Quest 10. I want to see the final score for Last Story before I make my final decision. I am very interested in this title, but I have to see if all this prettiness surrounding the game is worth it or not.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on July 10, 2010, 10:41:46 PM
There's nothing wrong with only owning a Wii (of current gen). It's just a fact that if you do own one of the HD consoles and are looking for an RPG, you can most likely find an (at least) equally as good game that looks infinitely better graphically.
That's why I doubt I'll be picking this game up any time soon (possibly ever).
Why can't Final Fantasy XIII do grass and huge, open worlds to explore when Xenoblade on Wii can? Oh, oh, oh, what? I can't hear you behind that reek of PS3 fanboyism. :reggie:
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on July 11, 2010, 02:00:57 AM
There's nothing wrong with only owning a Wii (of current gen). It's just a fact that if you do own one of the HD consoles and are looking for an RPG, you can most likely find an (at least) equally as good game that looks infinitely better graphically.
That's why I doubt I'll be picking this game up any time soon (possibly ever).
Why can't Final Fantasy XIII do grass and huge, open worlds to explore when Xenoblade on Wii can? Oh, oh, oh, what? I can't hear you behind that reek of PS3 fanboyism. :reggie:
This is why I think Final Fantasy 15 will be a wii, or in some cases, a 3DS exclusive.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: SixthAngel on July 11, 2010, 03:45:05 AM
I think the trailer looks great.
I haven't been following the game and I really wasn't expecting a battle system like this, it has me interested.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Pale on July 11, 2010, 12:15:13 PM
There's nothing wrong with only owning a Wii (of current gen). It's just a fact that if you do own one of the HD consoles and are looking for an RPG, you can most likely find an (at least) equally as good game that looks infinitely better graphically.
That's why I doubt I'll be picking this game up any time soon (possibly ever).
Why can't Final Fantasy XIII do grass and huge, open worlds to explore when Xenoblade on Wii can? Oh, oh, oh, what? I can't hear you behind that reek of PS3 fanboyism. :reggie:
Because obviously the Wii is more powerful than the PS3. You proved it.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 11, 2010, 12:30:41 PM
There's nothing wrong with only owning a Wii (of current gen). It's just a fact that if you do own one of the HD consoles and are looking for an RPG, you can most likely find an (at least) equally as good game that looks infinitely better graphically.
That's why I doubt I'll be picking this game up any time soon (possibly ever).
Why can't Final Fantasy XIII do grass and huge, open worlds to explore when Xenoblade on Wii can? Oh, oh, oh, what? I can't hear you behind that reek of PS3 fanboyism. :reggie:
I'm confident that Wii screenshot is wildly enhanced.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on July 11, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
Because obviously the Wii is more powerful than the PS3. You proved it.
The point is that even games on consoles with "less sophisticated" tech like Wii can look better and produce more satisfying experiences than those on more powerful systems. Your pathetic "Hurp durp, I can buy prettier looking games on my PS3 so I'll never get this game" really says a lot about you. I mean honestly, let's look at this comment again.
There's nothing wrong with only owning a Wii (of current gen). It's just a fact that if you do own one of the HD consoles and are looking for an RPG, you can most likely find an (at least) equally as good game that looks infinitely better graphically.
That's why I doubt I'll be picking this game up any time soon (possibly ever).
I mean, wow. You couldn't show yourself to be any less of a gamer here. You completely disregard everything the game has shown and has yet to show (battle system, characters, story, etc, etc) on the SOLE basis of visuals. SOLE. BASIS. You are embarrassing. How dare you even consider yourself a "gamer," and the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves for not abashing him for it. :reggie:
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Pale on July 11, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
Firstly, I hope everyone here realizes that this is Bill talking and that he didn't really "quit" the forums.
That said, we can look at exactly what i said there. The key word there is "doubt."
That is me observing the fact that I will still give the game a chance. But I also think it's a relatively safe assumption that this particular RPG will not have any great new mechanics that make it stand above other games in the genre.
Hence my statement "you can most likely find an (at least) equally as good game)..."
So, if we look at my statement there, what I am claiming is that I don't expect this game to feature any mechanics that make it one of the best RPGs available. That is probably a safe assumption. Combine that with the fact that I don't have the time to play every RPG out there... In fact, I don't have the time to play 5% of the games out there... when looking at two games that have equally rewarding mechanics, one of which looks substantially better, and I own every system already... why on earth would I pick up the Wii one.
If you call that the SOLE BASIS of visuals, whatever. It's OK if you don't think I'm a gamer. It's also OK if you think I have it out for Nintendo for some reason.
Honestly... one of us needs to grow up here.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 11, 2010, 05:25:02 PM
How many RPGs on the PS3 or 360 have great new mechanics that make them stand above other games in the genre? Most of the games I can think of that have done that this generation are on the DS, which is significantly weaker than any other current platform.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Pale on July 11, 2010, 05:30:19 PM
True enough. I mean, when we get to that point, it's all subjective anyway. I love the mechanics in FF 13... other people don't.
I've said it before... I personally play RPGs to get a low stress cinematic experience that comes with highly rewarding player growth.
FF 13s difficulty wasn't too high. The computer dork in me appreciates the way the paradigms work with some basic AI. Player growth is rewarding because it changes that AI and you immediately see the new moves you learn.
Kingdom Hearts is another favorite of mine. The actual battle system in that is glorified button mashing, and I realize that. However, I'm a sap for both Disney and Square, so a mash-up hits me in all the right places.
I also enjoyed Blue Dragon recently. That one was a lot of fun because the extremely traditional battle system and cool job system allowed for interesting character growth. I also loved the visual style (I actually like Toriyama).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Pale on July 11, 2010, 05:32:15 PM
And I am substantially interested in Xenoblade. It is colorful, bright, and really looks like it will be an interesting experience.
The first trailer for Last Story just looks like a dingey, stale, button mashy, action RPG. I realize I'm jumping to conclusions based on one trailer, but isn't that what we do when we discuss it?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on July 11, 2010, 06:30:12 PM
And I am substantially interested in Xenoblade. It is colorful, bright, and really looks like it will be an interesting experience.
The first trailer for Last Story just looks like a dingey, stale, button mashy, action RPG. I realize I'm jumping to conclusions based on one trailer, but isn't that what we do when we discuss it?
The parts of the video where the main character is walking through a town past pedestrians looks almost like an HD game. Could Mistwalker port over Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon for the wii?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on July 11, 2010, 07:28:21 PM
So, if we look at my statement there, what I am claiming is that I don't expect this game to feature any mechanics that make it one of the best RPGs available. That is probably a safe assumption. Combine that with the fact that I don't have the time to play every RPG out there... In fact, I don't have the time to play 5% of the games out there... when looking at two games that have equally rewarding mechanics, one of which looks substantially better, and I own every system already... why on earth would I pick up the Wii one.
Assumptions, assumptions. How can you even qualify "equally rewarding mechanics" for a game that has shown one trailer, especially for a genre that has a ridiculous amount of variety in battle mechanics? And no, it's not "your obligation" to be a Debbie Downer and flop in with a "Gonna go buy a PS3 game instead, because it's clear that this game can't top it." That's not discussion; that's trolling, plain and simple. And if you don't have time to play Wii games anymore (because I'm pretty sure every genre on Wii has touched PS3 by now, and why play any Wii games when you have a PS3!), then you shouldn't even have a Wii, and most certainly shouldn't be a moderator on a Nintendo fan site.
If you call that the SOLE BASIS of visuals, whatever.
You said it, not me. There's absolutely no other way to take what you said. Making up reasons to justify your troll (I still can't get over "equally-rewarding mechanics") doesn't cut it. Especially when you vehemently defend a game that DISCARDS features that fans of the RPG genre have come to expect over the years. :reggie:
It's also OK if you think I have it out for Nintendo for some reason.
Honestly... one of us needs to grow up here.
If I didn't know better, it's almost as if you are putting words in my mouth, because I didn't say anything about you having a thing against Nintendo. So yeah, one of us DOES need to grow up here. :reggie:
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Ymeegod on July 11, 2010, 07:45:02 PM
"So yeah, one of us DOES need to grow up here. " LOL-- do I even need to comment on this?
Love how "certain" people on these forums jump up on down on people's opinions. Just because someone owns another console doesn't make that person a troll.
You might want to switch to decaff.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Deguello on July 11, 2010, 09:09:48 PM
Ugh you know this is why I haven't posted in a long time and just sorta lurked around for months.
A thread will start up about a Wii game and people will get excited when it shows promise, and then suddenly somebody has to show up and be Captain Killjoy and it's almost always the same group of people.
It's like you need permission from the Fan Police to be excited, which just sucks, period.
About that Xenoblade/FF13 picture. I think it's amazing that they even look similar, which says either a lot about the untapped power of the Wii or of the horrible graphic designs of FF13 that says we need this giant ugly elephant on screen but the ground texture can be from Quake 1.
Anyway, this thread wasn't about system wars until a certain somebody MADE it about system wars because Kytim89 thought that Last Story looked like a PS3 game.. oh wait did he actually say that?
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After watching the trailer for this game and witnessing the sheer beauty of it, I am convinced that anything is now possible on the wii if the developer is willing to put up the effort. It seems like wii games are getting better and such games as this one, Monster Hunter 3 and SMG 2 help prove my point.
So it wasn't even about System Wars at all until that certain somebody just labeled him a "Wii-only owner" like that has anything to do with what he said.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 11, 2010, 09:42:23 PM
"So yeah, one of us DOES need to grow up here. " LOL-- do I even need to comment on this?
Love how "certain" people on these forums jump up on down on people's opinions. Just because someone owns another console doesn't make that person a troll.
You might want to switch to decaff.
There are certainly threads on this forum in which you would have a good point, but not this one. Pale went over the line here; like Deg pointed out, he's the one who took the thread in this direction, and he's arguing against an opinion that he himself raised.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Caliban on July 11, 2010, 09:49:47 PM
Boo at the discussion happening. Boo. Seriously.
It's a fact that the PS3 is, specification wise, ahead of the Wii. That does not mean better games for either. End of disscusion.
Whether, or not, the developers making games for each platform choose to add more detail to their creations is unconnected from such hardware disparity.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 11, 2010, 10:25:13 PM
I'm just going to stop and take in for a moment the irony in the Nintendo Loyalist Brigade, after spending years denigrating the HD consoles for so-called "brown shading" now praising the art style of a Wii game that for all intents and purposes uses brown shading.
For the record, since I have a feeling I'm getting lumped into categories around here, I don't give a damn anymore that the Wii can't do such and such technical specs. I don't call this game "ugly" because it's missing so-and-so shaders or 1 billion polygon models. I call the game ugly (as far as we see in the trailer) because the art style just turns me off. Gameplay-wise, maybe the game will be stellar. Maybe not. It's too early to tell (though so far it reminds me of some weird hybrid of Gears of War and Rogue Galaxy), which is why I'm looking forward to seeing this game later on during the localization process. So far, though, I'm troubled by the lack of anything truly noteworthy about the game besides it being on the Wii. When you have the creator of Final Fantasy at the helm, I kind of have high expectations that the game will stand out among the hundreds of Japanese RPGs that have come before it. I don't know...maybe I'm just cynical after playing Japanese games (especially JRPGs) for over 20 years now, and (aside from a select few that just happen to be on the HD consoles) they all seem the same now. I can only hope that this game comes together and flourishes as it approaches release.
*goes back to playing through his first playthrough of Mass Effect.* ;)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on July 11, 2010, 10:27:19 PM
If this Xenoblade picture is indicative that wii games are catching up to the PS3 not in performance, but in style or quality proves that the wii is evolving into something that may soon match the HD consoles if the wii 2 does not emerge soon. I see it this way, the can longer be considered a last generation system, but a hybrid between SD and HD.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Deguello on July 11, 2010, 11:11:45 PM
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I'm just going to stop and take in for a moment the irony in the Nintendo Loyalist Brigade, after spending years denigrating the HD consoles for so-called "brown shading" now praising the art style of a Wii game that for all intents and purposes uses brown shading.
And what's your point? Fanboys exist somewhere on the internet? Why don't you discuss the topic with the people in the thread rather than shadows in the corner?
Can we get this thread back on track, please?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 12, 2010, 12:32:55 AM
I'm just going to stop and take in for a moment the irony in the Nintendo Loyalist Brigade, after spending years denigrating the HD consoles for so-called "brown shading" now praising the art style of a Wii game that for all intents and purposes uses brown shading.
And what's your point? Fanboys exist somewhere on the internet? Why don't you discuss the topic with the people in the thread rather than shadows in the corner?
Can we get this thread back on track, please?
I just find it amazing how quickly opinions about something on the other consoles change as soon as it comes to the Wii, especially from people on these forums. And I've said as much as I care to say about this game. Considering this is technically my topic, you can just deal with that.
But yes, I'm all for discussing the actual game, though there's only so much you can gleam from this trailer.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Deguello on July 12, 2010, 01:12:46 AM
Well now that you're done derailing your own topic...
I've actually been somewhat following the game on its site and I find the artwork to be pretty good, particularly that large island shots. I like the music too.
Also something that intrigues me is it seems these characters are a lot "older" than what you'd usually see in a JRPG, which is somewhat refreshing in the sea of 17-year-olds. (not that there's anything wrong with that, but variety is the spice of life.)
Hopefully the game balloons into a fabulous new IP for Nintendo. (speaking of amazing things about forum people, where are all the usual suspects who whine about Nintendo not making any new IP?)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 12, 2010, 01:34:35 AM
There's nothing wrong with only owning a Wii (of current gen). It's just a fact that if you do own one of the HD consoles and are looking for an RPG, you can most likely find an (at least) equally as good game that looks infinitely better graphically.
That's why I doubt I'll be picking this game up any time soon (possibly ever).
Why can't Final Fantasy XIII do grass and huge, open worlds to explore when Xenoblade on Wii can? Oh, oh, oh, what? I can't hear you behind that reek of PS3 fanboyism. :reggie:
Okay thats a skybox buddy, its probably just a giant image that I never actually get to. That part in 13 is huge and the draw distance is insane. I really doubt thats an actual at runtime full environment. And the anti-aliasing is misleading. I'll wait and see, but FF13 has pretty badass graphics, and the Wii isn't gonna fly in and take it away with its GameCube 1.5.
Lets be real.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 12, 2010, 02:08:14 AM
If this Xenoblade picture is indicative that wii games are catching up to the PS3 not in performance, but in style or quality proves that the wii is evolving into something that may soon match the HD consoles if the wii 2 does not emerge soon. I see it this way, the can longer be considered a last generation system, but a hybrid between SD and HD.
Well, to be more accurate what I think we're seeing is the natural progression of the console lifecycle. This typically happens with every console: when it first launches, companies are just learning how to work with the hardware so their output is very similar to the last generation's work and the quality varies. Towards the end of the lifecyle, the companies have worked with the machine for so long that they're comfortable developing on it, so we tend to get products that better reflect the full potential of the machine's specifications. This isn't Wii specific, as the other two consoles are going through this as well. We've been getting some seriously good games over the last year or so (Mass Effect 2, Bioshock 2, Final Fantasy XIII, Alan Wake, Split/Second, Mario Galaxy 2, etc.). I'm looking forward to the next 1-2 years, which (aside from perhaps the 360, which looks just about dead in the water on 3rd party exclusivity) should be the best all 3 platforms have had.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Pale on July 12, 2010, 10:13:15 AM
Ok.
I'm just going to sum up my feelings in one post to try and shed some light on why I got so frustrated with Bill's post, and then leave the thread alone.
I made a post full of assumptions because that is all we can do with one trailer. I expressed my concerns with both the visual look and the stale gameplay that I took from the trailer.
We had a very good natured argument about whether or not it was a good looking game. I don't think anyone was upset.
Bill then shows up under the guise of his Reggie account and attacks my love for Final Fantasy 13. He uses a game that isn't even being discussed here as a comparison. For those that don't remember, Bill 'quit' the forums because I stuck up for Final Fantasy 13. Therefore, being attacked again, out of nowhere, because I like a game he doesn't, pissed me right off.
So to everyone that says they need permission to like a game, I beg you to look at the irony here.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: RABicle on July 12, 2010, 11:06:36 AM
Bill didn't leave cos of you Pale, don't flatter yourself.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Sarail on July 12, 2010, 12:52:04 PM
I'm about to go into an RPG frenzy starting today with DQIX (even though it sorta began with FFXIII earlier this year), and it's only going to continue on into the year.
I mean, seriously... DQIX, Golden Sun: Dark Dawn, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Arc Rise Fantasia, and previous games in my backlog I need to catch up on such as Tales of Symphonia 2, Rogue Galaxy, and DQVIII. Sheesh.. I hope I don't get RPGed out.
But I am all too excited about The Last Story. Gameplay, from what I can tell in the trailer, looks really fun.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 12, 2010, 01:01:08 PM
I'm about to go into an RPG frenzy starting today with DQIX (even though it sorta began with FFXIII earlier this year), and it's only going to continue on into the year.
I mean, seriously... DQIX, Golden Sun: Dark Dawn, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Arc Rise Fantasia, and previous games in my backlog I need to catch up on such as Tales of Symphonia 2, Rogue Galaxy, and DQVIII. Sheesh.. I hope I don't get RPGed out.
Allow me to assist you by trimming your backlog down a bit: Tales of Symphonia 2 is garbage, Rogue Galaxy is extremely average and tedious (argh, the twin towers dungeon haunts my nightmares!), and DQ VIII is...a Dragon Quest game. Just pick any of the other 8 entries and play/replay them while watching an animated series of your choice. Congratulations, you just played DQ VIII. ;)
If you're looking at old RPGs you might have missed on PS2, I highly recommend Wild Arms 5 and Shadow Hearts Covenant (and Shadow Hearts: From the New World, though I haven't played much of it due to it being unplayable on my PS3).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Sarail on July 12, 2010, 01:26:55 PM
Awww... c'mon. I loved the first Tales of Symphonia, and my brother, who shares my gaming tastes, loved the second one, too. Thanks for raining on my parade! :P
I've heard good things about the Wild Arms series... I've just never made the jump into it. Oh well.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 12, 2010, 01:32:11 PM
I've heard good things about the Wild Arms series... I've just never made the jump into it. Oh well.
IMO, Wild Arms 5 is the best and most accessible of the series (which are all standalone games, btw), which is a kind of Steampunk Western franchise. It's a goofy game, but it knows it's goofy and just runs with it. Decent production values for a PS2 game, too. Pity it doesn't run without crashing every 1-10 minutes on my PS3. Wild Arms 4 is a fine game as well, though a very different kind of game. Unfortunate, it also doesn't run very well on the PS3.
And I loved Tales of Symphonia as well. It was my favorite Tales game until I got Vesperia (which the Symphonia team went on to make).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on July 12, 2010, 03:23:26 PM
If this Xenoblade picture is indicative that wii games are catching up to the PS3 not in performance, but in style or quality proves that the wii is evolving into something that may soon match the HD consoles if the wii 2 does not emerge soon. I see it this way, the can longer be considered a last generation system, but a hybrid between SD and HD.
Well, to be more accurate what I think we're seeing is the natural progression of the console lifecycle. This typically happens with every console: when it first launches, companies are just learning how to work with the hardware so their output is very similar to the last generation's work and the quality varies. Towards the end of the lifecyle, the companies have worked with the machine for so long that they're comfortable developing on it, so we tend to get products that better reflect the full potential of the machine's specifications. This isn't Wii specific, as the other two consoles are going through this as well. We've been getting some seriously good games over the last year or so (Mass Effect 2, Bioshock 2, Final Fantasy XIII, Alan Wake, Split/Second, Mario Galaxy 2, etc.). I'm looking forward to the next 1-2 years, which (aside from perhaps the 360, which looks just about dead in the water on 3rd party exclusivity) should be the best all 3 platforms have had.
Yes, I agree that all consoles go through a cycle where the quality ofthe games goes from meager to oustanding and then the cycle starts over once a new console is released. A while back I read an article where a big shot at Microsoft said that the 360 might be on the market until atleast 2015. If we wager that the PS3 will last that long, can we do the same for the wii? THis is where I get the most confused because Nintendo could releases the wii 2 any time between now and 2015. I have to wonder what the wii market will look like by that time if it were allowed to stay on the market for that long? Hypothetically, if the wii lasts until 2015, I am very interested to see the quality of games for it then comared to now.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 12, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
Yes, I agree that all consoles go through a cycle where the quality ofthe games goes from meager to oustanding and then the cycle starts over once a new console is released. A while back I read an article where a big shot at Microsoft said that the 360 might be on the market until atleast 2015. If we wager that the PS3 will last that long, can we do the same for the wii? THis is where I get the most confused because Nintendo could releases the wii 2 any time between now and 2015. I have to wonder what the wii market will look like by that time if it were allowed to stay on the market for that long? Hypothetically, if the wii lasts until 2015, I am very interested to see the quality of games for it then comared to now.
No way the Wii's life cycle extends into 2015, not on its own (I could see it alongside a Wii 2 much as the PS2 stayed alongside the PS3 for several years before support dried up entirely). Hardware sales are already on decline and 3rd party support has been dropping for years now. Whether it's the low 3rd party sales; Nintendo's seeming disinterest in 3rd parties; general gaming philosophy differences with Nintendo; or the increasingly archaic tech of the Wii, developers are ready to move on to something more powerful, something that allows them to better express their projects' vision. Honestly, I don't even see the HD consoles lasting as primary platforms going into 2015, especially the 360. New tech just gets less expensive with each passing year, making it much more viable to create a new platform around. And bad economies have to end sometime.
No, I think the Wii's successor will be announced next year and then released in 2012/2013. That's why I said the next 1-2 years should be quite interesting. Some of my favorite games on Nintendo consoles released in the last few years of their respective life cycles (Chrono Trigger, Perfect Dark, Ogre Battle 64, Baten Kaitos Origins, etc.) It should be fun.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Sarail on July 12, 2010, 03:47:46 PM
And I think that's exactly what we're seeing with games such as Xenoblade, The Last Story, and Zelda: Skyward Sword coming out later this winter into next year.
I fully expect the unveiling of Nintendo's next console at E3 next year, too. The time is just right for it.
EDIT: To get this thread back on topic, what kind of job/class/weapon/etc. system do you think The Last Story might contain? I'm very intrigued by what Sakaguchi has up his sleeve.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Arbok on July 12, 2010, 03:55:52 PM
Disagree there. The problem with the game is that its close to the original, and yet not as good. All of the changes seem to be for the worse
The monster leveling aspect is a great time sink though, but Pokémon its not.
Still, the game is far from garbage as I had a lot of fun with it and would recommend it to people who liked the first. Just... they should be aware its not the same caliber of game.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 12, 2010, 04:03:20 PM
EDIT: To get this thread back on topic, what kind of job/class/weapon/etc. system do you think The Last Story might contain? I'm very intrigued by what Sakaguchi has up his sleeve.
Dunno. Whatever it is, I have a feeling it will have an extremely silly and pretentious name, judging by most JRPGs. My guess, considering the Western design influence on this game, is that character development will be something like Mass Effect's (but simplified): your characters have a limited set of abilities they level-up by acquiring skill points gotten from level-ups. Considering all the hinting about the importance of conversation, I'm going to bet that certain abilities are only learned by talking with your teammates. I wouldn't be surprised if they also borrowed an element of Mass Effect and gave experience points for talking with people. I doubt the characters will learn to use any weapon other than their own, leading to a tactical element of picking the right characters for the right situation.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Sarail on July 12, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
That sounds awesome enough for me, man. :P
I just hope the characters are endearing enough to capture my attention and keep it. When I first heard the notion that character conversation was going to play a primary role in this game, I immediately thought of Fire Emblem... which makes me go gaga anyway.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Ymeegod on July 12, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
Agree with BW on ToS2 and RQ but I loved DQVIII. Sure it was simple ole-school grind feast RPG but the characters were lovable and the plot was nice and start forward. To many JRPG's tend to have to same "twist" in the storyline. AoF is still set for July 29th I believe so that should keep me busy until Sept at least.
Still not sure about DQIX though--I tend to play solo and that game tends to be MP joyfeast. Once FIOS comes in my area I might get this along with MH3 but right now my connection is pretty damn weak at the best of times.
And Tales of Graces looks like it's going be a no-show for NA/Europe. Anybody hear anything different?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 12, 2010, 08:32:52 PM
And Tales of Graces looks like it's going be a no-show for NA/Europe. Anybody hear anything different?
No, but I highly doubt we're going to get it. Namco-Bandai's been going through some very rough financial times lately, and the Tales series (outside of Symphonia) has never done particularly well over in North America so I doubt we'll see Graces any more than the PS3 version of Vesperia. We might see it if someone like Atlus manages to pick it up, but that's very unlikely.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 12, 2010, 09:01:02 PM
All the controversy in this thread got me to go and watch the trailer. The art style doesn't do much for me, but the battle system looks very interesting. I'm definitely more excited than I was before.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Stratos on July 13, 2010, 04:35:36 AM
And Tales of Graces looks like it's going be a no-show for NA/Europe. Anybody hear anything different?
No, but I highly doubt we're going to get it. Namco-Bandai's been going through some very rough financial times lately, and the Tales series (outside of Symphonia) has never done particularly well over in North America so I doubt we'll see Graces any more than the PS3 version of Vesperia. We might see it if someone like Atlus manages to pick it up, but that's very unlikely.
Well, X Seed could possibly do it. As far as I know they don't have a whole lot on their plate since most of their big titles all released earlier this year. I think they only have one or two PSP titles announced at the moment.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on July 13, 2010, 10:10:03 AM
And Tales of Graces looks like it's going be a no-show for NA/Europe. Anybody hear anything different?
No, but I highly doubt we're going to get it. Namco-Bandai's been going through some very rough financial times lately, and the Tales series (outside of Symphonia) has never done particularly well over in North America so I doubt we'll see Graces any more than the PS3 version of Vesperia. We might see it if someone like Atlus manages to pick it up, but that's very unlikely.
Well, X Seed could possibly do it. As far as I know they don't have a whole lot on their plate since most of their big titles all released earlier this year. I think they only have one or two PSP titles announced at the moment.
XSEED could do it, but I'd rather they didn't if Fragile Dreams' bland localization is any indication of their work these days. Of course, I do have a little chip on my shoulder about them considering that three of the PS2 games in my library I want to play the most on my PS3 (Wild Arms 4-5 and Shadow Hearts 3), I can't because they were all brought over by XSEED and no XSEED PS2 game works on the PS3. :P: : :
Besides, if XSEED did get it, they'd just delay it for over a year before announcing that Ignition took it from them, and Ignition's localization tends to be even more bland (if Muramasa is any indication).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2010, 09:35:42 AM
Has anyone seen this yet?
The Last Story's Focus System Detailed (http://www.andriasang.com//e/blog/2010/08/04/last_story_focus_system/)
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Place Your Focus on an Enemy Your basic attack method in The Last Story is Elza's sword. However, you can place your focus on a distant enemy to have Elza use his bowgun to take the enemy out from afar. Enemies that are placed in focus will reveal their special abilities and weak points. Famitsu suggests using this system to snipe out the healers from groups of enemies. After identifying which enemies are healers, you can sneak up to the enemy by sticking closely to walls or boulders. When you get close enough, turn your focus on the enemy. The game will switch to a behind-the-should view, allowing you to take out the enemy. The behind-the-shoulder view displays a targeting reticle, but Famitsu doesn't say if you'll be able to directly point using the Wiimote (this was suggested in the trailer, though -- see below).
Place Your Focus on an Object The focus system can reveal its real destructive power when you put your sights on objects. In one particular case introduced in the magazine, you can see a group of enemy archers on a bridge in the distance. The archers could end up delivering long range attacks. Turn your focus to the bridge, and you'll have a couple of options. You can make Elza use his bowgun to attack the archers. Or you can tell Yuris to cast powerful magic at the bridge. Go with the magic and the bridge collapses, killing the enemies. Another example involves making a boulder fall atop a large group of enemies. You'll want to look around at your surroundings to see if you can use things. You can actually see the focus system in action if you look closely at the trailer Nintendo shared a couple of weeks back, so I've included it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sppl7PGDJPE&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sppl7PGDJPE&feature=player_embedded)
They also talk about some the characters @ the link
The Last Story's Focus System Detailed (http://www.andriasang.com//e/blog/2010/08/04/last_story_focus_system/)
Quote
Place Your Focus on an Enemy Your basic attack method in The Last Story is Elza's sword. However, you can place your focus on a distant enemy to have Elza use his bowgun to take the enemy out from afar. Enemies that are placed in focus will reveal their special abilities and weak points. Famitsu suggests using this system to snipe out the healers from groups of enemies. After identifying which enemies are healers, you can sneak up to the enemy by sticking closely to walls or boulders. When you get close enough, turn your focus on the enemy. The game will switch to a behind-the-should view, allowing you to take out the enemy. The behind-the-shoulder view displays a targeting reticle, but Famitsu doesn't say if you'll be able to directly point using the Wiimote (this was suggested in the trailer, though -- see below).
Place Your Focus on an Object The focus system can reveal its real destructive power when you put your sights on objects. In one particular case introduced in the magazine, you can see a group of enemy archers on a bridge in the distance. The archers could end up delivering long range attacks. Turn your focus to the bridge, and you'll have a couple of options. You can make Elza use his bowgun to attack the archers. Or you can tell Yuris to cast powerful magic at the bridge. Go with the magic and the bridge collapses, killing the enemies. Another example involves making a boulder fall atop a large group of enemies. You'll want to look around at your surroundings to see if you can use things. You can actually see the focus system in action if you look closely at the trailer Nintendo shared a couple of weeks back, so I've included it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sppl7PGDJPE&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sppl7PGDJPE&feature=player_embedded)
They also talk about some the characters @ the link
Interesting. I like the idea of being able to use the environment against your enemy, which is used surprisingly rarely in RPGs.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Caliban on August 05, 2010, 12:14:09 PM
Those are some cool game mechanics for an RPG.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: vudu on August 05, 2010, 02:19:49 PM
Do you gain experience points for beating enemies (like in most RPGS)? And if so, would you get those experience points for destroying the bridge in the example BNM gave above? Sounds like a neat mechanic, but I can't ever see myself using it if it robs me of EXP.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Sarail on August 05, 2010, 02:21:41 PM
Oh, I would hope so. This is a Sakaguchi game, so I'm betting that EXP will be in someway or another.
Those new screenshots are quite yummy for a Wii game. I like 'em a lot. Looks good.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on August 05, 2010, 02:26:08 PM
Do you gain experience points for beating enemies (like in most RPGS)? And if so, would you get those experience points for destroying the bridge in the example BNM gave above? Sounds like a neat mechanic, but I can't ever see myself using it if it robs me of EXP.
I don't see why you wouldn't get EXP in that scenario. A dead enemy is a dead enemy. I guess it depends on whether the game works like Mass Effect (real-time combat with EXP for killing enemies) or whether it works like Rogue Galaxy (characters level-up using items).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on September 30, 2010, 01:54:45 AM
I want this game as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 20, 2010, 03:07:20 AM
Another NEW trailer for The Last Story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daW8F7HvW1U
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on October 20, 2010, 10:20:17 AM
Another NEW trailer for The Last Story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daW8F7HvW1U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daW8F7HvW1U)
Meh, the game looks nice (though I'm curious how much of that trailer is FMV), but at this point we kind of know that already. How about giving us a gameplay trailer showing a full battle, Mistwalker? We've seen clips of an actual batle in these trailers before, but I'd like to see more of that.
And what the hell, Nintendo? Just announce the game for North America already! :-\
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Dasmos on October 20, 2010, 10:30:23 AM
Ugh, so brown.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Kytim89 on October 20, 2010, 04:43:48 PM
I read some where that Sakaguchi(spelling) said that Final Fantasy 9 was his ideal version of what the Final Fantasy series is all about and when I see videos of this game I get a Final Fantasy 9 vibe and possibly even a Final Fantasy 6 vibe as well. This game might actually turn out to be what he wanted the Final Fantasy series to eventually evolve into but Square wanted to do other wise and that is the reason why he left the compony to for hiw own.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: Mop it up on October 20, 2010, 06:23:03 PM
This was confirmed for release in January 2011 in Japan, can we get a topic title change to reflect the new year?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in 2010
Post by: broodwars on October 20, 2010, 06:25:51 PM
and a nice summary of whats known about the gameplay so far from NeoGAF
Quote from: thefro
Anoop has translated a detailed article in Famitsu on how the Battle System for the game works.
I've thrown in a couple other things that were previously known for those who haven't followed the game closely, but most of this is new info. I think we can finally get an idea of how this game is going to play and I'm pretty excited.
- You control the main character Elza - Combat is mostly real-time - Two control options for attacking: Auto-attack (automatically attacks enemies when you title the control stick towards them and they are in range) or manual mode (uses button presses for attacks) - In both options, you use buttons to block and evade - Automatically switch to combat when approaching an enemy, no transition screen, etc.
Pointer System (http://"http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/04/16/last_story_gameplay_systems/"): - Enemies have lines drawn from them showing enemy focus (i.e. which ally the enemy is targeting). This seems to be based off line of sight, so for instance, an enemy hiding behind a wall can't target you. - Color indicates enemy type (archer, solider, mage)
Gathering: - A skill of Elza which draws enemy focus to Elza. This allows your allies time to cast spells (a spell will fail if your ally is hit while casting it which takes several seconds). - Gathering Burst: Elza will get a "burst up" if he blocks an enemy attack while in gathering mode. If he gets enough burst ups he will do a "Gathering Burst" when going out of gathering mode. This damages enemies & may slow them down. - Cure: Elza can revive your fallen allies if he touches them while in Gathering mode. They will revive with temp. enhanced abilities.
Command Mode - Freezes time and allows you to give specific commands to allies (where to move on the battlefield, what magic to cast, etc). - Example given is Kanan (main heroine) has Holy (light-based attack spell), Cure (heals allies) and Return (warp to heal circle) - You can also command Elza, he has Power Hit (temp. raises attack strength, Wind (attack magic, also used for "Spread detailed below), and Return - Game switches to an overhead view when commanding a character where to cast a spell and you can target exactly where it will land on the battlefield. - You don't have unlimited use of Command mode. After you use it you can't use it again for a little while.
Magic Circle: - When a party member casts a spell, a "Magic Circle" is left afterwards at the point of impact - If an ally stands in the magic circle, his or her weapon will temporarily gain the elemental attribute of the spell that created the circle (http://"http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/10/18/last_story_magic_circle/"). Ex: Stand in a circle left by a fire magic and your sword becomes fire sword.
Spread - Elza can use his wind magic to spread the effects of the magic circle - Spread an ice circle and the enemies will slip and fall - Other examples Holy = defense up for allies when spread, and spreading Cure = Allies recover HP & Status abnormalities
Focus (http://"http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/08/04/last_story_focus_system/") - Elza can use Focus to see enemy weak points and special abilities - He draws a bowgun when he uses the ability, so you can use it to sneak up behind cover and snipe enemies. - This is useful for taking out enemy healers that are hiding
Other (http://"http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/10/05/last_story_battle_sample/") - One party member, Yuris can use fire magic to target and destroy bridges, columns, etc. - If the debris falls on enemies it will kill them (ex: you could draw enemies under a bridge and then have Yuris destroy it, killing the enemies who were trapped underneath the collapsing bridge)
NOA better get off it's ass and get this game in the translation process 6 months ago.
Title: "The Last Story" ( Mistwalker's new RPG) coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2010, 01:41:45 PM
Looks like Mistwalker is having a Conference for The Last Story on Dec. 27th 2010
Quote from: neo2046 @ NeoGAF
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/character/index.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/character/index.html) character page updated with VC voice samples
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/event/index.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/event/index.html) Presentation Conference at 2:00pm Dec 27, 2010 (Japan time) Hironobu Sakaguchi will response the presentation himself Live broadcasting will be available at UStream that day
Full blow out of the game and maybe a US release date?
Looks like Mistwalker is having a Conference for The Last Story on Dec. 27th 2010
Quote from: neo2046 @ NeoGAF
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/character/index.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/character/index.html) character page updated with VC voice samples
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/event/index.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/event/index.html) Presentation Conference at 2:00pm Dec 27, 2010 (Japan time) Hironobu Sakaguchi will response the presentation himself Live broadcasting will be available at UStream that day
Full blow out of the game and maybe a US release date?
Yeah it has online play. Just confirmed in an Iwata asks.Here it is. http://andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/16/last_story_iwata_asks/ (http://andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/16/last_story_iwata_asks/)
I need something to help with my Monster Hunter addiction.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 23, 2010, 01:06:59 PM
Sakaguchi tweets details about The Last Story http://www.twitter.com/mistwalker (http://www.twitter.com/mistwalker)
Quote from: thefro @ NeoGAF
Summary: - 30 hrs for a normal playthrough - 12,000 lines of voice-acting - Can play online after reaching first save point - New online mode which is Team PvP ("team battle royal") confirmed - Levels/weapons reflected in online group boss mode, but not battle royal modes. Looks of equipment are reflected in all modes. - Random matches let you play against/with random people, friends matches against people you've exchanged friend codes with - New Game+ confirmed. Game rebalanced for 2nd play-through and there are drop items that only appear after your initial playthrough. - More info to come on the 27th, Sakaguchi asking people on twitter if they want to see cutscenes or mainly a focus on battles so as not to have the story spoiled.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NeoStar9X on December 23, 2010, 07:42:32 PM
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- 12,000 lines of voice-acting
:( :'( Maybe I'm jumping to the negative to quickly. I think unless they are going to be willing to release the game with only a Japanese track and include English text I think this just kills any chance of this being released outside of Japan.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mop it up on December 24, 2010, 01:34:30 AM
I was about to say the same thing when I read that. I wouldn't be surprised if the voice acting was just axed all together, and the game turns out entirely text-based for the North American and UK release, should they happen.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: noname2200 on December 25, 2010, 02:50:49 PM
I was about to say the same thing when I read that. I wouldn't be surprised if the voice acting was just axed all together, and the game turns out entirely text-based for the North American and UK release, should they happen.
Nah, I think they're going to treat this as a much more high-profile game than the majority of their stuff, and if the price for that is a bit more localization, so be it.
Plus, it's not like 12,000 lines of spoken dialogue is particularly outlandish nowadays. Bethesda and Bioware both routinely hover around or even exceed that amount, and Deus Ex is about twenty times larger, so it's not like this is an insurmountable amount (...) of stuff to localize.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mop it up on December 26, 2010, 04:07:56 PM
This is Nintendo we are talking about, whose games rarely have more than 12 lines of dialogue, much less 12,000. I'm sure this is a big deal to them. If I remember rightly, one reason that Zangeki no Reginleiv hasn't been localized is because of the large amount of voice acting in it. Of course, they did localize Metroid Other M, which had a lot of dialogue... but it also sold under expectations, which means they might consider it not worth the effort to release another voice-heavy game that probably wouldn't sell well either.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 26, 2010, 09:24:27 PM
Plus, it's not like 12,000 lines of spoken dialogue is particularly outlandish nowadays. Bethesda and Bioware both routinely hover around or even exceed that amount, and Deus Ex is about twenty times larger, so it's not like this is an insurmountable amount (...) of stuff to localize.
Buh?
Mass Effect had 20k lines. The original Deus Ex had around 9k. New one probably has around 18k.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 26, 2010, 10:18:01 PM
This is Nintendo we are talking about, whose games rarely have more than 12 lines of dialogue, much less 12,000. I'm sure this is a big deal to them. If I remember rightly, one reason that Zangeki no Reginleiv hasn't been localized is because of the large amount of voice acting in it. Of course, they did localize Metroid Other M, which had a lot of dialogue... but it also sold under expectations, which means they might consider it not worth the effort to release another voice-heavy game that probably wouldn't sell well either.
Reginleiv was also an extremely bloody game that revolved around dismembering your enemies combined with the fact it required Motion+. Not to mention the type of game Reginleiv was is pretty niche, and so even if it wasn't as violent and required Motion+, it would still have only been appealing to a small audience. That's why that games large amount of voice work hurt it because it was already a game that was going to be a very hard sell for NOA to market and so it wasn't a game they were willing to take a chance and risk money on a long localization. The combination of small appeal and longer localization that sank that games chances.
The Last Story on the other hand is something that will get a T rating, can be played by all Wii owners and part of a genre that when marketed right can be very successful. After NOA and NOE's marketing managed to make Dragon Quest IX a success, even though the previous two Dragon Quests published by Square-Enix bombed, they must be feeling pretty good about releasing RPG's at the moment since they announced they'll be publishing Dragon Quest VI now as well.
So I do think NOA will be willing to be more risky on going all the way with The Last Story since they do know the game does have a chance of being successful.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: noname2200 on December 26, 2010, 11:36:24 PM
Plus, it's not like 12,000 lines of spoken dialogue is particularly outlandish nowadays. Bethesda and Bioware both routinely hover around or even exceed that amount, and Deus Ex is about twenty times larger, so it's not like this is an insurmountable amount (...) of stuff to localize.
Buh?
Mass Effect had 20k lines. The original Deus Ex had around 9k. New one probably has around 18k.
Nope, the new Deus Ex has 200k lines: http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2010/06/23/new-deus-ex-boasts-200000-lines-of-dialogue/
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 27, 2010, 02:50:06 AM
The Last Story Press COnference was today
Here is a brief summary from Adriasang from the live blog he hid earlier:
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Some points of note so you won't have to read the incomprehensible text below:
-Wii is probably going to have the most amazing JRPG of the generation -Elza's wind magic can be used not just to spread the effects of your Magic Circles, but to disperse the Magic Circles of enemies. -The free-for-all battle mode does allow for characters other than Elza to be used. -You can swim (that is, when you encounter water in a dungeon, you'll begin to swim -- it's unclear if there's any gameplay use for this) -You can make all your characters strip down to their undies, a feature that Sakaguchi wanted to implement from the beginning -Kanan's theme song is sung by a singer named Kanon -People are scared of Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata even though he's so adorable.
The Last Story: The Gurugu Race and Special Attacks http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/27/last_story_preview/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/27/last_story_preview/)
Strip Down to Your Undies in The Last Story (pics inside) http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/27/last_story_underwear/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/12/27/last_story_underwear/)
Edit 2: The Last Story Presentation Live (this broadcast has been pre-recorded :P: : : ) http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11665869 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11665869)
Edit: 3 Battle System Explanation (It's in Japanese) http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/movie/index.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/movie/index.html) or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE3OufOLer0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE3OufOLer0)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 27, 2010, 03:46:17 PM
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Stratos on December 27, 2010, 04:54:34 PM
LOL, 200,000 words not lines.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 27, 2010, 05:16:17 PM
Yeah, it really seemed like Anfossi just messed up some english words (being a French canadian) in that first article. 200,000 is pretty much completely unbelievable, given that Mass Effect had 20,000 lines, and Mass Effect 2 had 31,000 lines. I don't think any game has really come close to 200,000 lines, and to be honest, the closest would probably be Planescape: Torment, which had 800k words but not sure how many lines.
Still twice as many words and lines as the original Deus Ex is plenty for me. There was a lot of stuff in that game.
BUT ABOUT THAT LAST STORY!
Looks pretty awesome. I'm genuinely interested in it, which is odd for me since I really don't care for JRPGs at all, but this game really looks to be breaking the mold as far as battle systems go, and honestly I'm left wondering why A. It's taken this long for something to come along and fix the problems that only exist in JRPGs because at the time they were created, the consoles they were being designed for weren't powerful enough to keep up with the RPGs that existed on PCs at the time, and computers and general weren't powerful enough to keep up with the rules for the tabletop games on which they were based, and B. Why is it on the Wii? Low development costs?
Either way, I'm incredibly interested. The game LOOKS gorgeous also. I get the feeling the graphics are going to put most of the stuff on the Wii to shame. I showed some videos to my friend who is a hardcore PS3 fanboy (he is 100% convinced that every multiplatform game looks better on PS3), and he was genuinely surprised when I told him the game was on the Wii.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on December 27, 2010, 05:28:14 PM
Last Story's looking promising, but as with the various Tales games and Xenoblade I'm not letting myself get excited over this one till someone announces that they're bringing it to North America. If I can't actually play it, it's just wasted energy caring about it. Hopefully, Nintendo and Mistwalker will get a clue and announce it for NA soon, especially with Zelda looking to be delayed and the Wii only having Conduit 2 and Mario Sports Mix for Q1 and Q2 of next year.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 27, 2010, 05:35:49 PM
Looks pretty awesome. I'm genuinely interested in it, which is odd for me since I really don't care for JRPGs at all, but this game really looks to be breaking the mold as far as battle systems go, and honestly I'm left wondering why A. It's taken this long for something to come along and fix the problems that only exist in JRPGs because at the time they were created, the consoles they were being designed for weren't powerful enough to keep up with the RPGs that existed on PCs at the time, and computers and general weren't powerful enough to keep up with the rules for the tabletop games on which they were based, and B. Why is it on the Wii? Low development costs?
Because Nintendo is the publisher who has funded the entire game. Not to mention they've also helped with the development by giving feedback and advice as well as the playtesting testing and debugging for the game as well.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 27, 2010, 05:51:50 PM
Well yeah, but obviously that means that Sakaguchi approached Nintendo about the project. I'm just wondering why Nintendo.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 27, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
Well yeah, but obviously that means that Sakaguchi approached Nintendo about the project. I'm just wondering why Nintendo.
Maybe he had a bad experience working with Microsoft on Blue Dragon/Lost Odyssey and Kaz Hirai ran over his dog?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on December 27, 2010, 06:55:40 PM
The reason why I see this game coming to the west is because of its production values. There is no way that Nintendo is going to funnel money into this project and stretch it over their worldwide audience. I have to be honest, I have not been this enthused for a JRPG since Final Fantasy 12. I see good things happening with this game.
As for why is Nintendo involved with this game, it seems that along with their own title, Xenoblade, Nintendo is attempting to revive the Japanese RPG market. Also, RPGs are not that prolific on their system, so Nintendo might be trying to fix the issue. This is why the Wii 2 should start out with an abundance of RPGs available for launch.
Why would Sagaguchi be involved with Nintendo?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on December 27, 2010, 07:14:16 PM
Well yeah, but obviously that means that Sakaguchi approached Nintendo about the project. I'm just wondering why Nintendo.
Maybe he had a bad experience working with Microsoft on Blue Dragon/Lost Odyssey and Kaz Hirai ran over his dog?
I figure that Nintendo might be easier to deal with than Microsoft. Although Nintendo might be offering a very good cash incentive for his involvment in the project. Most likely the production costs for the Wii are a lot lower than that of the 360 and coupled with a cash incentive this all makes sense.
Sagaguchi might be returning to his Final Fantasy roots by teaming up with the very same game company where Square started the franchise. Not too ago I read that Sagaguchi said that Final Fantasy was his ideal version of a RPG, and artisticly this game seems to be similar to Final Fantasy 9. He also left Square Enix after Final Fantasy 10, so I am wondering if he might have had creative differences with his superiors and decided to make his own company based on his ideal RPG, which would later become Last Story.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 27, 2010, 07:26:20 PM
I think it's interesting that this will be the first game he's directed since Final Fantasy V, hopefully it does get localized since I would like to play it.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on December 27, 2010, 07:31:11 PM
I see the Last Story as Sagaguchi's attempt to reinterprit the Final Fantasy series in the image that he want the series to tramsform into.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on December 27, 2010, 07:53:11 PM
Sagaguchi might be returning to his Final Fantasy roots by teaming up with the very same game company where Square started the franchise. Not too ago I read that Sagaguchi said that Final Fantasy was his ideal version of a RPG, and artisticly this game seems to be similar to Final Fantasy 9. He also left Square Enix after Final Fantasy 10, so I am wondering if he might have had creative differences with his superiors and decided to make his own company based on his ideal RPG, which would later become Last StoryLost Odyssey.
Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on December 27, 2010, 07:58:13 PM
Sagaguchi might be returning to his Final Fantasy roots by teaming up with the very same game company where Square started the franchise. Not too ago I read that Sagaguchi said that Final Fantasy was his ideal version of a RPG, and artisticly this game seems to be similar to Final Fantasy 9. He also left Square Enix after Final Fantasy 10, so I am wondering if he might have had creative differences with his superiors and decided to make his own company based on his ideal RPG, which would later become Last StoryLost Odyssey.
Fixed that for you.
Any chance of a Losy Odyssey port to the Wii?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Dirk Temporo on December 27, 2010, 08:00:03 PM
Sagaguchi might be returning to his Final Fantasy roots by teaming up with the very same game company where Square started the franchise. Not too ago I read that Sagaguchi said that Final Fantasy was his ideal version of a RPG, and artisticly this game seems to be similar to Final Fantasy 9. He also left Square Enix after Final Fantasy 10, so I am wondering if he might have had creative differences with his superiors and decided to make his own company based on his ideal RPG, which would later become Last StoryLost Odyssey.
Fixed that for you.
Then how come he's so down on the very gameplay features that Lost Odyssey employs? This game is totally different, and everything I've read about him in regards to producing this says that this is his dream RPG.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 27, 2010, 08:02:19 PM
Unlikely Kytim, the graphics would have to receive a major downgrade since it had great graphics. I am not sure they would be able to make it work on a Wii.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on December 27, 2010, 08:17:07 PM
Unlikely Kytim, the graphics would have to receive a major downgrade since it had great graphics. I am not sure they would be able to make it work on a Wii.
There is always a Wii 2 port.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Stratos on December 28, 2010, 07:44:21 AM
Unlikely Kytim, the graphics would have to receive a major downgrade since it had great graphics. I am not sure they would be able to make it work on a Wii.
It could be done. Sure, it might turnout like Dead Rising Wii, but it could be done.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 28, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
I just checked and found out a reason why there is 0% chance of it appearing anyways: Microsoft owns the trademark, so I guess they probably own the copyright too. I guess all Mistwalker did was help develop the game (along with Artoon), but Microsoft owns the rights to it.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on December 28, 2010, 02:30:35 PM
If the Last Story is good enough then Microsoft can keep Lost Odyssey. I have a feeling that theLast Story is going to be another smash hit RPG for the ages.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 28, 2010, 02:52:28 PM
If the Last Story is good enough then Microsoft can keep Lost Odyssey. I have a feeling that theLast Story is going to be another smash hit RPG for the ages.
Well in Japan, Nintendo is currently advertising The Last Story a lot more then Microsoft advertised Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon over there. Since Blue Dragon managed to do somewhere over 200k, I'd imagine The Last Story should be able to do a lot better then that at least.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on December 28, 2010, 05:30:42 PM
I just hope that Last Story becomes a series stretched over the Wii, 3DS and eventually the Wii 2. I have high hope for it and look forward to playing it if and when it comes out in America.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mop it up on December 30, 2010, 03:42:48 AM
I'm a little disappointing that they didn't announce a North American release date, I was hoping they would. I'm not going to check out the information and videos released unless the game gets dated because I don't want to look forward to a game that probably won't be released here.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Ymeegod on December 30, 2010, 03:33:44 PM
Ditto; love my JRPG's but I'm still waiting for Tales of Graces & Xenoblade. ToG looks like it's never going be released Stateside and Nintendo hasn't commented on Xenoblade--it's been what 6 months since it was released in Japan.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: cricarra on January 02, 2011, 01:23:40 PM
Quote
Any chance of a Losy Odyssey port to the Wii?
Microsoft published it so no. Same reason you wont see The Last Story anywhere else.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 02, 2011, 01:39:33 PM
We will probably get some kind of announcement from Nintendo about Last Story and Xenoblade being released in America either at the 3DS annoncement, or some time after the release of 3DS, which would mean E3 2011.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mannypon on January 02, 2011, 01:47:37 PM
Ditto; love my JRPG's but I'm still waiting for Tales of Graces & Xenoblade. ToG looks like it's never going be released Stateside and Nintendo hasn't commented on Xenoblade--it's been what 6 months since it was released in Japan.
Well I just saw a release schedule the other day on Gonintendo from Gameinformer that had Tales of Graces as a 1Q release for the Wii. I don't know if this was an error on their part but I'll try to find some more info on it.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 05, 2011, 08:57:27 PM
Apparently Sakaguchi has learned from his mistake with Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey and plans to make Last Story with less Final Fantasy elements, which his previous Mistwalker titles borrowed from, particularly the battle system. He wants to make Last Story to evolve the RPG battle system.
Well, this shoots my theory that Final Fantasy 9 is somehow related in terms of artstyle and Sakaguchi's idea of RPG evolution to that of Final Fantasy 9 is shot in the foot...or is it?
http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=143167
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Adrock on January 06, 2011, 02:35:27 AM
I wish he borrowed some damn color from Final Fantasy IX. The land, architecture, and characters were bright and vibrant in IX. With the heavy browns and grays, The Last Story's world looks like it was built in Super Smash Bros. Brawl's level editor.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 06, 2011, 11:58:31 AM
But that's what Serious Gamers want.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Crimm on January 06, 2011, 12:57:41 PM
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 06, 2011, 09:04:03 PM
When I first saw artwork for Last Story I just had this idea that it was some how related to Final Fantasy 9 in some way besides story. I am still looking for the quote where Sakaguchi says that Final Fantasy 9 is his idea of what a RPG is all about. I would wager that Last Story will be the evolution of what he wanted to do that ideal formula.
Are there any similarities between the two games based on what we have seen and heared of Last Story?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on January 13, 2011, 10:29:51 AM
Well, we've received our first word (http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/12/no-plans-currently-for-western-last-story-release-gets-new-5-minute-trailer/) from Nintendo (via "a representative") about bringing Last Story to NA: yep, they currently have "no plans" to bring the game over. While Nintendo could certainly surprise us (especially at E3), I have a bad feeling that this is a sign that Nintendo's going to leave yet another promising Wii game in Japan. It's the year of 3DS, so who needs good Wii games (apparently)?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 13, 2011, 02:54:59 PM
especially since they are replacing the Wii early next year ;)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 13, 2011, 05:56:02 PM
*Breaks into tears*
Here is a new video:
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/32610
Is that Ganon at 4:20?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 13, 2011, 10:35:36 PM
Why in the hell is Nintendo not interested in bringing this game to the west?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2011, 10:39:27 PM
Just to put things in perspective, you have to remember that Nintendo's official stance was that there were no plans to release a new DS hardware model right up until the day they announced the DS Lite. "No plans" is Nintendo's way of reminding you they haven't announced anything yet. I'm not saying the game will come out; I'm just saying that this in no way confirms that it won't.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mop it up on January 13, 2011, 10:45:29 PM
I remember when Nintendo claimed to have "no plans" for a sequel to Wii Sports.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 13, 2011, 11:01:17 PM
I almost gave myself a heart attack at the thought of never playing this game.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on January 13, 2011, 11:11:11 PM
Just to put things in perspective, you have to remember that Nintendo's official stance was that there were no plans to release a new DS hardware model right up until the day they announced the DS Lite. "No plans" is Nintendo's way of reminding you they haven't announced anything yet. I'm not saying the game will come out; I'm just saying that this in no way confirms that it won't.
I remember when Nintendo claimed to have "no plans" for a sequel to Wii Sports.
That's why I said that it's always a possibility that Nintendo could turn around and announce the game for NA. The problem is that Last Story, being a JRPG, is kind of niche and Nintendo has been very reluctant this generation to bring over Wii games to NA this generation that don't have wide-ish appeal, Sin & Punishment 2 nonwithstanding. Nintendo has just been so incredibly noncommittal about their plans with this game (and Xenoblade, for that matter) that I just don't have a good feeling about this one, just as I frequently do whenever Namco-Bandai announces a new Tales game. I hope you're right, but I think it's all going to hedge on how the game is received in Japan.
I almost gave myself a heart attack at the thought of never playing this game.
Ok, seriously, dude, you need to chill out. I want to see this game as well, but at the end of the day it's just a game and Just Another Japanese RPG at that. Besides, I only said that it was a possibility, the first word we've heard out of Nintendo on the game coming to NA.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 14, 2011, 01:02:48 AM
I just did. It looks like Final Fantasy.... without all the color.
And even if Nintendo of America doesn't release this (I still think they will though), there's no stopping a 3rd party from picking it up.
Considering Nintendo has funded the entire development and owns the IP, I'm pretty sure Iwata is stopping any third parties from picking it up. Of course I still stand by my prediction that NOA has been ordered to publish both The last Story and Xenoblade because I still have a hard time believing Nintendo would allow 2 new IP's to both have large budgets that revival that of the top 3D home console Mario and Zelda games without having a worldwide release in mind.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 14, 2011, 02:59:08 AM
I just did. It looks like Final Fantasy.... without all the color.
And even if Nintendo of America doesn't release this (I still think they will though), there's no stopping a 3rd party from picking it up.
Considering Nintendo has funded the entire development and owns the IP, I'm pretty sure Iwata is stopping any third parties from picking it up. Of course I still stand by my prediction that NOA has been ordered to publish both The last Story and Xenoblade because I still have a hard time believing Nintendo would allow 2 new IP's to both have large budgets that revival that of the top 3D home console Mario and Zelda games without having a worldwide release in mind.
The production values of both Xenoblade and Last Story seem to indicate that they will be released in the west.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2011, 10:50:40 AM
Considering Nintendo has funded the entire development and owns the IP, I'm pretty sure Iwata is stopping any third parties from picking it up.
If Nintendo of America refuses to publish the game (again, I still think they will), why would Iwata block any 3rd party from publishing the game outside of Japan? "Oh, we don't want your money..." That doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on January 14, 2011, 11:11:26 AM
Considering Nintendo has funded the entire development and owns the IP, I'm pretty sure Iwata is stopping any third parties from picking it up.
If Nintendo of America refuses to publish the game (again, I still think they will), why would Iwata block any 3rd party from publishing the game outside of Japan? "Oh, we don't want your money..." That doesn't make any sense.
Fatal Frame IV says "hello".
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 14, 2011, 11:15:01 AM
Not to mention Mother 3. Atlus publically said that they would be willing to localize the game and publish it, but Nintendo refused.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Retro Deckades on January 14, 2011, 12:02:36 PM
Not to mention Mother 3. Atlus publically said that they would be willing to localize the game and publish it, but Nintendo refused.
I can understand Fatal Frame due to the lukewarm reception that it seemed to get.
Atlus attempted to publish Mother 3 here? For reals? Wow, Nintendo, that's a dick move.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 14, 2011, 12:12:25 PM
Nintendo had previously let Atlus localize Cubivore: Survival of the Fittest on GameCube and Polarium Advance on GBA, so I was disappointed on that too.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 14, 2011, 04:07:27 PM
From what I heard NCL was actually pissed at Atlus for even having the nerve to say they'd like to localize Mother 3 which is why Nintendo and Atlus haven't worked together on localizing anything since. From what it sounds like, Iwata has a close relationship with Mother's creator Shigesato Itoi, and so Iwata isn't going to allow anyone other then Nintendo to handle the series. Of course because of his close relationship this is the reason why NOA isn't allowed to change anything for the localization like some of the music that's actually breaking certain copyright laws, because Itoi doesn't want his work changed for any reason. Which is the same reason why NOA can't release Earthbound on the Virtual Console because of the music issues as well.
That's not the same thing. The IP belongs to Tecmo though worldwide publishing rights is something Nintendo probably negotiated in exchange for funding the project. Nintendo flatly asked Tecmo to fix that mess of a game and they refused. I wouldn't want to help them make money either.
I believe Nintendo either owns or shares the rights to The Last Story with Mistwalker so unless Sakaguchi demands that only Nintendo publish the game or something, I don't see why they wouldn't like another company localize the game. They've let 3rd parties (or rather Atlus) publish their games before so obviously there's precedence for it. Examples like Fatal Frame and Mother 3 come with an asterisk.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mop it up on January 14, 2011, 05:52:35 PM
If you play Mother 3 you'll understand why Nintendo doesn't want it released in North America.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 14, 2011, 08:02:04 PM
I remember a few years ago at E3 Iwata said that Mother 3 was coming to virtual console, but it never did show up. I guess this is normal for Nintendo, but I refuse to miss out on Last Story.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 19, 2011, 07:34:58 PM
The Famitsu review of Last Story is a 38 out of 40. Not a bad score, but I was hoping a perfect score.
Sorry, but you need to pay Famitsu good money to get that perfect score. They have a reputation to maintain, after all!
And the price for RPG scores is higher than normal it seems since they usually rate lower than other kinds of games. IIRC Tales of Symphonia got a 34/40.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2011, 03:57:24 PM
Add another nail (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-20-why-the-last-story-is-japan-exclusive) to the coffin that is The Last Story ever leaving Japan, at least this year: Nintendo UK has stated that the game is just too much for their localization teams to handle, between the necessity of multiple languages and the upcoming 3DS. They also imply that the game doesn't look like an especially viable product. This and the comment on having to deal with the 3DS makes me think we'll see a similar answer from the puppet entity known as Nintendo of America: 3DS is Nintendo's message this year, and they don't have the time, manpower, or financial interest to do anything else.
You may now resume your hysterics, Kytim. ;)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 20, 2011, 04:02:33 PM
Yeah, but Nintendo of America would only need to translate into English. It does suck that at the very least Europe may not get it because of the language issue. I am starting to lose faith North America will get it either though.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 20, 2011, 04:08:36 PM
Add another nail (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-20-why-the-last-story-is-japan-exclusive) to the coffin that is The Last Story ever leaving Japan, at least this year: Nintendo UK has stated that the game is just too much for their localization teams to handle, between the necessity of multiple languages and the upcoming 3DS. They also imply that the game doesn't look like an especially viable product. This and the comment on having to deal with the 3DS makes me think we'll see a similar answer from the puppet entity known as Nintendo of America: 3DS is Nintendo's message this year, and they don't have the time, manpower, or financial interest to do anything else.
You may now resume your hysterics, Kytim. ;)
*Jumps out of a ten story window*
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2011, 04:09:41 PM
Yeah, but Nintendo of America would only need to translate into English. It does suck that at the very least Europe may not get it because of the language issue. I am starting to lose faith North America will get it either though.
Like I said, the big problem is that this is a game from a niche genre with localization issues launching in the same window as something Nintendo cares a whole lot more about and would make a lot more money: the 3DS. I have a nasty feeling that the 3DS is going to divert so much of Nintendo's attention away from potential Wii projects that by the time they start to consider localizing the game, it will be too late and the Wii's time will have passed.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: King of Twitch on January 20, 2011, 04:15:52 PM
What? They're too busy working on Ocarina of Time and Star Fox to TRANSLATE WORDS?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2011, 04:18:56 PM
What? They're too busy working on Ocarina of Time and Star Fox to TRANSLATE WORDS?
Well, as you might have noticed in the link I gave, Nintendo UK's quite busy trying to translate the massive amount of dialogue and text in Kirby's Epic Yarn. And hey, $40 ports of 12 year old games don't localize themselves. ::)
In all seriousness, Zelda: Skyward Sword is probably something of a localization mess for Nintendo right now as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Treehouse was so busy trying to get Zelda out the door that they just didn't have the resources to tackle something like Last Story.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: King of Twitch on January 20, 2011, 04:26:19 PM
Someone should take their moneypit swim time away until their grades improve.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 20, 2011, 05:01:20 PM
What? They're too busy working on Ocarina of Time and Star Fox to TRANSLATE WORDS?
Well, as you might have noticed in the link I gave, Nintendo UK's quite busy trying to translate the massive amount of dialogue and text in Kirby's Epic Yarn. And hey, $40 ports of 12 year old games don't localize themselves. ::)
In all seriousness, Zelda: Skyward Sword is probably something of a localization mess for Nintendo right now as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Treehouse was so busy trying to get Zelda out the door that they just didn't have the resources to tackle something like Last Story.
They do not even have to hire English voice actos, they can just have English text and Japanese voice actors like Muramasa did when it was released.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 20, 2011, 05:12:57 PM
In all seriousness, Zelda: Skyward Sword is probably something of a localization mess for Nintendo right now as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Treehouse was so busy trying to get Zelda out the door that they just didn't have the resources to tackle something like Last Story.
I can buy this, but at the same time Nintendo can still turn to the equally-awesome 8-4 to do the translation. They've leaned on them to do big games in the past, so unless 8-4 is also tied up with something (quite possible) there should be enough localization resources to go around for both.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 21, 2011, 02:32:34 AM
I can buy this, but at the same time Nintendo can still turn to the equally-awesome 8-4 to do the translation. They've leaned on them to do big games in the past, so unless 8-4 is also tied up with something (quite possible) there should be enough localization resources to go around for both.
Yep, NOA used 8-4 to translate Baten Kaitos Origins. This is important for everyone to remember since Baten Kaitos Origins was never released in Europe. So just because NOE has no plans to release The Last Story doesn't mean NOA won't since NOA has released RPG's in the past that NOE didn't.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: KDR_11k on January 21, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
Yeah, but Nintendo of America would only need to translate into English. It does suck that at the very least Europe may not get it because of the language issue. I am starting to lose faith North America will get it either though.
They won't translate the voice acting for other languages so that effort is reduced. Also there's reason enough to believe that the game will sell at least a few hundred k in Europe which would justify spending millions on the translation.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 21, 2011, 11:03:05 AM
Everyone, let's pull our monry into a dummy bank account and pay for the localization of this game ourselves. I pledge $100, how much will everyone eled pledge?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: noname2200 on January 21, 2011, 12:06:11 PM
Everyone, let's pull our monry into a dummy bank account and pay for the localization of this game ourselves. I pledge $100, how much will everyone eled pledge?
Let's see, in my pocket I currently have some pocket lint and an old, stale lollipop. So...put me in for some pocket lint!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 21, 2011, 12:24:39 PM
Everyone, let's pull our monry into a dummy bank account and pay for the localization of this game ourselves. I pledge $100, how much will everyone eled pledge?
Let's see, in my pocket I currently have some pocket lint and an old, stale lollipop. So...put me in for some pocket lint!
We still have about a million left to put into the pool.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Crimm on January 21, 2011, 01:20:12 PM
I can buy this, but at the same time Nintendo can still turn to the equally-awesome 8-4 to do the translation. They've leaned on them to do big games in the past, so unless 8-4 is also tied up with something (quite possible) there should be enough localization resources to go around for both.
Yep, NOA used 8-4 to translate Baten Kaitos Origins. This is important for everyone to remember since Baten Kaitos Origins was never released in Europe. So just because NOE has no plans to release The Last Story doesn't mean NOA won't since NOA has released RPG's in the past that NOE didn't.
That's a shame, I really like Origins.
ANYWAY: Mistwalker is continuing to tweet about Last Story in English.
Read into that what you will.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 21, 2011, 01:27:10 PM
I've never heard of 8-4, what else have they done?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2011, 02:42:43 PM
Everyone, let's pull our monry into a dummy bank account and pay for the localization of this game ourselves. I pledge $100, how much will everyone eled pledge?
I have the perfect Dummy bank account.
Mine. so I can set up Pay Pal or you can send me a check, and I will hold all the money until we reach, what was it? a Million. so $1 Million dollars, and then we can spend that on localization and credit it with spacial thanks to Kytim (we will use your real name) and everyone else that donates.
Please inquire further through PM though.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on January 21, 2011, 04:00:59 PM
Everyone, let's pull our monry into a dummy bank account and pay for the localization of this game ourselves. I pledge $100, how much will everyone eled pledge?
I have the perfect Dummy bank account.
Mine. so I can set up Pay Pal or you can send me a check, and I will hold all the money until we reach, what was it? a Million. so $1 Million dollars, and then we can spend that on localization and credit it with spacial thanks to Kytim (we will use your real name) and everyone else that donates.
Please inquire further through PM though.
As long as there is no misapropriations on your part or anyone else's then I am cool with it. ;)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2011, 04:57:20 PM
Hope is not lost outside of Japan for The Last Story, at least not according to Nintendo France http://www.livewii.fr/news/153869-The_Last_Story_et_l'Europe_:_no_stress_ (http://www.livewii.fr/news/153869-The_Last_Story_et_l'Europe_:_no_stress_)[MAJ]
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All that to say that the French division spoke tonight on the forum Gamekult to clarify the situation: "Thank you for your interest in The Last Story. Unfortunately, the vocabulary used by this announcement was misconstrued by the British journalists:" No plans at the moment "does not mean that the output is canceled, just that it is not yet scheduled in the calendar. The adaptation of this game could be very long (12 000 dialogues to record!) and our translation teams are overstretched in the short term. "
So while they have no plans at the moment, does not mean they do not intend to do it at some point. So don't expect to see it anytime soon anywhere outside of Japan if no one has even started the translation process some time ago.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on January 21, 2011, 04:59:12 PM
Hope is not lost outside of Japan for The Last Story, at least not according to Nintendo France http://www.livewii.fr/news/153869-The_Last_Story_et_l'Europe_:_no_stress_ (http://www.livewii.fr/news/153869-The_Last_Story_et_l'Europe_:_no_stress_)[MAJ]
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All that to say that the French division spoke tonight on the forum Gamekult to clarify the situation: "Thank you for your interest in The Last Story. Unfortunately, the vocabulary used by this announcement was misconstrued by the British journalists:" No plans at the moment "does not mean that the output is canceled, just that it is not yet scheduled in the calendar. The adaptation of this game could be very long (12 000 dialogues to record!) and our translation teams are overstretched in the short term. "
So while they have no plans at the moment, does not mean they do not intend to do it at some point. So don't expect to see it anytime soon anywhere outside of Japan if no one has even started the translation process some time ago.
So in other words, they basically said what I said in my original post: it's a difficult game to localize and their localization teams are too busy with 3DS and what games are already out and penciled in for Europe. It doesn't mean it can't get localized, but that they have no plans for it in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Shaymin on January 21, 2011, 05:53:03 PM
I've never heard of 8-4, what else have they done?
Gameography (http://8-4.jp/gameography/?lang=en)
Notable titles include Monster Hunter Tri, Glory of Heracles, and Baten Kaitos Origins.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Adrock on January 22, 2011, 01:48:29 PM
Ted Woolsey translated all of Chrono Trigger in roughly 30 days and said he would have preferred 2.5 months. Point being, one man translated one of the largest RPGs of its time in about a month. Zelda games typically have far less dialogue and text than most other RPGs so I don't think translating that game is really holding anything up. That said, I guess I just don't buy that a company as large as Nintendo of America couldn't put together a team of like 3 people to translate The Last Story. The only hold up would be NOA flat-out just kicking The Last Story to the curb. If they want the game out, they would make it happen, probably as early as Q3 this year.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Stratos on January 22, 2011, 07:13:19 PM
It's not translating that is the problem, it's the voice acting. That requires much more than 1-3 people.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Adrock on January 22, 2011, 07:43:36 PM
Voice recording takes a couple of weeks, even for a game that has a lot of voice acting. And that's also assuming that NOA would even include English voice acting. Localization in general isn't the issue here. It's whether or not NOA even think The Last Story is worth bringing over.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 22, 2011, 08:56:22 PM
Voice recording takes a couple of weeks, even for a game that has a lot of voice acting. And that's also assuming that NOA would even include English voice acting. Localization in general isn't the issue here. It's whether or not NOA even think The Last Story is worth bringing over.
Or if NCL orders them too. There are some games NOA and NOE can choose to localize and there are some game they have to localize. Considering all the money NCL has been spending on The Last Story, I imagine this is the kind of game NOA and NOE have to localize. I still just don't see how this game got the budget it did unless it was made with a worldwide release in mind.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 23, 2011, 06:48:49 AM
On a related note, http://pietriots.com/2011/01/05/fheads-monado/
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: RABicle on January 23, 2011, 07:51:28 AM
Yeah guys lets face it: Nintendo are arseholes. Reggie reckons the game is for fags and NOE are scratching their bum because they cant be fucked finding French voice actors or dreaming up an advert the Dutch will like.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 23, 2011, 11:22:20 AM
I don't think there was a single part of your post that WASN'T offensive.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Crimm on January 26, 2011, 12:54:15 PM
RAB returns and I'm already offended. Nice work, now no more of that.
As per tradition we asked about Last Story during the 3DS event. As per tradition we got a non-answer.
Maybe if we ask enough we'll get a straight yes or no answer, but I wouldn't expect it from Nintendo of America. They might not even know.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on February 16, 2011, 09:10:26 PM
It appears that slumping sales in Japan might hinder a western release.
" In any case, if the sales don’t meet the expectations of Mistwalker, they may very well decide to cancel any translation of the game and keep it a Japanese exclusive forever."
It's not conclusive, but that sloppy level of thinking makes me pretty confident that the author has no idea what he's talking about, one way or the other.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on February 17, 2011, 01:32:54 PM
Here is a comment that I left for that site:
From everything that I have read about the Japanese game industry is that their home console market is drying up in favor of handhelds. This is why both Nintendo and Sony have adopted home console level graphics for both of their handhelds. Their home front market is shifting towards gaming on the go. Therefore a game such as Last Story, even with high production values, may not sell as well on home console the way they did ten years ago. It seems to me that if Nintendo ported this to the 3DS then it might pick up in sales, but I do not see it selling well on a home consoles, or atleast in Japan.
As for the poster Lance who said that Atlus or SquareEnix should localize this game for the west, keep in mind that Nintendo is the publisher of this title and like with Tecmo’s Fatal Frame 4, if there are any issues in Japan with the title then the west will not get the game. However, I seem to hold out on the belief that the production of this game and the fact that Nintendo does not have that many titles for the Wii for the other markets that it will eventually find its way into America. Just wait for this year’s E3 to know for sure.
There is a good possibility that Xenoblade will make it to the west, and Nintendo themselves have indicated that games that they have released in other markets might make it to America to fill in the gaps of 2011.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 17, 2011, 11:00:22 PM
It's not conclusive, but that sloppy level of thinking makes me pretty confident that the author has no idea what he's talking about, one way or the other.
Yeah, the entire article is just someone saying what they think without any actual facts. Unless the author somehow was able to bug NOA headquarters and listened to a phone-call between Reggie and Iwata then the entire article is nothing more then fan speculation and no different from the post we have on this thread.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Crimm on February 18, 2011, 09:51:59 PM
If you listened to a phone call between Reggie and Iwata you head would explode.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on February 19, 2011, 01:45:11 AM
While western gamers are crossing their fingers in hopes of this game coming state side, a gamer in Japan finds the time to destroy his copy of Last Story. Why destroy it when he can just give it to a gamer such as myself!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Enner on February 19, 2011, 02:11:20 PM
Weird trend over the years of Japanese (and maybe other people too) fans or anti-fans tearing books or discs apart and putting pictures of it on the internet.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Ian Sane on February 21, 2011, 02:27:28 PM
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From everything that I have read about the Japanese game industry is that their home console market is drying up in favor of handhelds.
This just gives all the more reason to release it here in North America. This is the market where consoles have not dried up. Cancelling a game for the Western market based on sales in Japan is idiotic. Twilight Princess didn't sell all that well in Japan. So should Nintendo have canned that for North America? This is the market where any console game stands the best chance of being successful.
Plus NOA would be complete dumbshits to not notice the, you know, jack **** being released for the Wii right now. Any decent title that can plug the gaps should be welcomed. For NOA to not localize such titles is just handing the core market to Sony and MS. They would be saying to Wii owners "all we care about are the casuals and the big franchises like Mario. You want more than that then don't bother going with us anymore." NCL showing more interest in core gamers than NOA? The whole casual/non-gamer strategy came out entirely because of the Japanese market to begin with. If anything you figure NCL would be handcuffing NOA in regards to the core market. NOA should not be more casual-focused than NCL - that is completely contrary to the way the global videogame market is. NOA should be localizing absolutely everything unless the game is complete crap or has absolutely zero marketability with a Western market.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 21, 2011, 02:51:53 PM
Twilight Princess (Wii version) launched here first, but I get your point. It's not really fair to base a games localization decision based on how well it did in another region. I think it's also a mistake to be making game decisions based on how the Japanese market will react to it, I think one of the few exceptions were the Metroid Prime games (but that may have been because the Metroid series was always more popular here than in Japan). Sadly I don't think Reggie and NOA have much say over what comes out here, they can ask but it's up to NCL to give them permission.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on February 21, 2011, 10:05:44 PM
If Nintendo were to port this game over to the 3DS could it sell even more copies in Japan?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on February 21, 2011, 10:26:49 PM
If Nintendo were to port this game over to the 3DS could it sell even more copies in Japan?
Do you enjoy asking annoyingly obvious questions, or do you just like hearing yourself talk? Here's a hint: look up the sheer number of times the 2D Final Fantasy games have been re-released on just about every handheld system that has existed.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on February 22, 2011, 12:24:23 AM
If Nintendo were to port this game over to the 3DS could it sell even more copies in Japan?
Do you enjoy asking annoyingly obvious questions, or do you just like hearing yourself talk? Here's a hint: look up the sheer number of times the 2D Final Fantasy games have been re-released on just about every handheld system that has existed.
I will tell you like I told Chozo Ghost not too long ago; If you do not like what I post in other people's threads then do not respond to them. If you do not like any of the threads I create then stay out of them. If you have a problem with my writing style then take it up with the moderators. However, I do admit that some of my posts are not well written, but this forum was built for Nintendo fans to express their opions about the industry. Now, I wrote my response above so short because I was in hurry doing something in my house and I just wanted to spur a conversation that I would join later. Thank you.
Allow me to use a personal favorite quote of the Duke himself, John Wayne:
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on February 22, 2011, 12:33:42 AM
I will tell you like I told Chozo Ghost not too long ago; If you do not like what I post in other people's threads then do not respond to them. If you do not like any of the threads I create then stay out of them. If you have a problem with my writing style then take it up with the moderators. However, I do admit that some of my posts are not well written, but this forum was built for Nintendo fans to express their opions about the industry. Now, I wrote my response above so short because I was in hurry doing something in my house and I just wanted to spur a conversation that I would join later. Thank you.
Dude, you're in my forum thread and you're too annoying to ignore (your intention, I'm sure). 5 seconds of research on the internet or even the faintest inclination of video game history would answer 95% of your questions on any given topic. And I have no problem with you expressing your "opions" about the industry. Heaven knows I certainly do. Just do the slightest bit of your own research rather than barging into threads and throwing out random questions left and right.
We've already established numerous times on numerous threads over the past couple of years that the Japanese market is dominated by handhelds, largely dictated by their society's focus on close social interaction and lengthy commutes. We've also established similarly over such a period of time that the Japanese love their remakes. The 2D Final Fantasy titles have had more ports and remakes than I can fathom, especially on the handhelds. Final Fantasies X and 12 both had "International" editions that the Japanese gobbled up, along with "Final Mixes" of the Kingdom Hearts games (coincidentally, they just had one for Birth By Sleep). If there's one thing the Japanese gaming industry is good at, it's exploiting its consumers for multiple versions of the same game. So YES, they would assuredly gobble up a portable rehash of Last Story, especially after the Week 1 sales of the console version.
You know what? I'll go one step further: I have no earthly idea why Mistwalker made this game for the Wii. The Wii has never been an especially noteworthy RPG machine (observe that the PS3 port of Tales of Graces sold dramatically better than its Wii original), not even garnering a noteworthy game (that I'm aware of) from Square-Enix; Atlus; NIS; or GUST (the last 3 being the kings of cheap RPG development). And during the time this game was being created, the PSP was taking off with sales of Monster Hunter and was getting good JRPG support from Atlus (Persona 1, Persona 3). You can argue that they were serving an under-served market (much as Quest did with the great Ogre Battle 64), but it's too late in the console's life cycle to garner an audience already lost to the PSP and PS3. It would have made more sense for them to hold the game for 3DS or NGP, though as a lover of console games I'm glad Mistwalker did not. I just wish that they had picked a different publisher for the game so we'd have a much better chance of getting the game in the West.
I walked into a local gaming store last week and purchased Hyperdimension Neptunia and Atelier Rorona, two extremely niche JRPGs for the PS3. Yet I can't go into the same shop and purchase Xenoblade, and Nintendo has given no indication that I will ever be able to. Mistwalker supposedly made The Last Story to appeal to Western gamers, yet they signed into a deal that made Nintendo the publisher, a company that has shown no inclination whatsoever in bringing such games to the West.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on February 22, 2011, 12:59:23 AM
My whole point was that the 3DS could act as a plan b in Japan for Nintendo to put their weakened Wii game sales towards in an attempt to make more money. From everything that I have seen of Last Story it appears to be similar in some elements to Monster Hunter. Monster Hunter has done very well on the PSP, so a game on the scale of Last Story may very well do well on the 3DS.
As for the Wii having a weak assortment of RPGs, just look at Dragon Quest X. I have a feeling that this game will either be ported to the 3DS or be released as a launch title for the Wii 2, which must have a stronger RPG collection.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on February 22, 2011, 01:12:31 AM
My whole point was that the 3DS could act as a plan b in Japan for Nintendo to put their weakened Wii game sales towards in an attempt to make more money. From everything that I have seen of Last Story it appears to be similar in some elements to Monster Hunter. Monster Hunter has done very well on the PSP, so a game on the scale of Last Story may very well do well on the 3DS.
Alright, now we have a conversation, and I do agree with you. I wouldn't be surprised if they did that, actually. Blue Dragon was a rather-underwhelming Mistwalker title that they eventually spun-off into a handheld TSRPG and action-RPG franchise on the DS, so I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a similar move with The Last Story.
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As for the Wii having a weak assortment of RPGs, just look at Dragon Quest X. I have a feeling that this game will either be ported to the 3DS or be released as a launch title for the Wii 2, which must have a stronger RPG collection.
"Just look at Dragon Quest X"? Just look at what? Right now, there's nothing to see from Dragon Quest X. No screenshots, no video, etc. It's essentially just a name right now, little more than vaporware I strongly feel is going to be moved to the 3DS due to the weak Wii market for JRPGs and the strong sales for the DS Dragon Quest IX.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Kytim89 on February 22, 2011, 01:46:06 AM
I was actually looking forward to having Last Story on Wii and then a sequel for the 3DS. Something like spotpass seems like it would be very compatible with a game like Last Story.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2011, 03:53:17 PM
I know we all like Hope & Change and all that good stuff
now let's Hope this next story leads to a localization and that should Change how we feel about Reggie & NoA (for now).
http://gaming-france.over-blog.fr/article-the-last-story-sortira-en-occident-finalement-71065451.html (http://gaming-france.over-blog.fr/article-the-last-story-sortira-en-occident-finalement-71065451.html) www.TheLastStory.com (http://www.TheLastStory.com) has just been registered Nintendo of America
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While the release of The Last Story in Europe and America seemed compromised, the new track will delight fans about a possible release in the West.
We learn that the domain name has been reserved TheLastStory.com by Nintendo of America , for release in the United States. Another chance to see The Last Story arrive in America at first, and perhaps one day with us?
Anyway, The Last Story is available in Japan since January on the Nintendo Wii
also reported on by: http://www.gamekyo.com/groupnews_article18114.html (http://www.gamekyo.com/groupnews_article18114.html)
crosses fingers and joins Xenoblade thread in group prayer
edit: apparently the site was registered almost a year ago according to WhoIs, not sure why it was being reported on again.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Ceric on April 06, 2011, 10:14:50 AM
As Handhelds graphical prowess and storage capacities become on par with this generations consoles I can definetely see them going that way.
But Why Ceric Why?
For I would say roughly 80% of RPG players its a solo experience. It is relatively hard to get a partner to sit back and watch what is essentially a disjointed movie from the non-players perspective. I know for myself its getting hard to monopolize the TV for such a game and with how the economy is and like getting a second console and TV combo would be cost prohibitive. For the most part RPGs are very suspension friendly as well. In the 3DS arena having a 3D world and the 2D item, map, etc. screen on the bottom is cool. See Pokemon if you need any example of the power of being able to tote around your RPG accomplishments.
I don't see this a trend going away. As the power of the handhelds become comparable to the power of the consoles the traditional single player games will shift that makes sense.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 06, 2011, 12:32:22 PM
Ceric, you make good points.
Its a tough call but I actually think, on balance, I would prefer Last Story and DQX come out on 3DS. I have been able to slowly sink over 74 hours into DQIX but don't nearly have that kind of time to dedicate to any particular console game. Its just the way it has worked out for me so far. So, though I'd like the grandeur of playing involved RPGs on my big TV, I'd probably get more out of the titles if they were portable.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: MegaByte on April 06, 2011, 12:44:04 PM
edit: apparently the site was registered almost a year ago according to WhoIs, not sure why it was being reported on again.
I noted this in both Xenoblade threads days ago.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Stratos on April 07, 2011, 03:00:28 PM
I don't think console RPG experiences will go away. I like settling down to a nice long and engrossing game in front of my television. A lot of people live alone or have roommates/spouses that don't care much for games so concerns about sharing TV Time are non-existent for us.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: noname2200 on April 07, 2011, 09:44:23 PM
I don't think console RPG experiences will go away. I like settling down to a nice long and engrossing game in front of my television. A lot of people live alone or have roommates/spouses that don't care much for games so concerns about sharing TV Time are non-existent for us.
I think that by and large that depends on what type of console RPG experience you mean. Western RPGs are probably going to keep showing up in the same or even greater numbers, since the HD consoles are essentially stripped down PCs. But unless Japan starts buying more home console games, or JRPG sales pick up here in the West, I can definitely see console JRPGs being reduced to installments of Final Fantasy in the not-too-distant future. Shoot, this generation has brought us most of the way there already...
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2011, 03:34:50 PM
The Last Story to leave Japan!? looks like it could be headed to Europe http://jrpgtribe.com/news/a-change-of-heart-from-nintendo-the-last-story-is-coming-to-europe/ (http://jrpgtribe.com/news/a-change-of-heart-from-nintendo-the-last-story-is-coming-to-europe/)
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Our James McWhirter from over at the 3DS Tribe has some juicy gossip for us straight from the London MCM. Upon questioning the Nintendo representatives there this weekend, James was able to learn that we can expect to see The Last Story (Wii) released in Europe! It’s nice to see them change their minds about not releasing it here.
Let’s hope that we’ll see Pandora’s Tower released in Europe too.
..... NoA has a lot of announcement s to make at E3. This better be one of them.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on May 28, 2011, 03:53:27 PM
The Last Story to leave Japan!? looks like it could be headed to Europe http://jrpgtribe.com/news/a-change-of-heart-from-nintendo-the-last-story-is-coming-to-europe/ (http://jrpgtribe.com/news/a-change-of-heart-from-nintendo-the-last-story-is-coming-to-europe/)
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Our James McWhirter from over at the 3DS Tribe has some juicy gossip for us straight from the London MCM. Upon questioning the Nintendo representatives there this weekend, James was able to learn that we can expect to see The Last Story (Wii) released in Europe! It’s nice to see them change their minds about not releasing it here.
Let’s hope that we’ll see Pandora’s Tower released in Europe too.
..... NoA has a lot of announcement s to make at E3. This better be one of them.
And once again I have to wonder just what NoA is doing with its time since NoE doesn't seem to care about waiting for E3 to announce or leak things.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mop it up on May 28, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
What makes Europe a more viable market for this game? I've always had the impression that RPGs sell better in North America than the UK, although I don't know if that's generally true.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 28, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
Yeah, I wonder why NoA hasn't said anything about this. It's not like they have a better way to announce this, where they'll get a lot more attention for it and have a bunch of people who've been begging for it right in front of them just waiting to cheer wildly for it.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on May 28, 2011, 04:56:36 PM
Yeah, I wonder why NoA hasn't said anything about this. It's not like they have a better way to announce this, where they'll get a lot more attention for it and have a bunch of people who've been begging for it right in front of them just waiting to cheer wildly for it.
That's the thing, though: why aren't all the divisions on the same page if NoA was just going to announce this at E3? Why wouldn't NoE just wait for Reggie to announce it on-stage unless they didn't think NoA was going to?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 29, 2011, 05:47:23 AM
Yeah, you're probably right. Nintendo's different branches are always on the same page and aware of what each other are doing. Who does a better job than Nintendo of coordinating that kind of thing?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Ceric on May 29, 2011, 09:17:38 AM
Yeah, you're probably right. Nintendo's different branches are always on the same page and aware of what each other are doing. Who does a better job than Nintendo of coordinating that kind of thing?
My 3 year old comes to mind.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Stratos on May 29, 2011, 04:54:10 PM
And once again I have to wonder just what NoA is doing with its time since NoE doesn't seem to care about waiting for E3 to announce or leak things.
Interesting story. A lady comes into my store to order food and she's got a Nintendo jacket on. I ask about it and she says she works for Nintendo. She wouldn't tell me what she did but I asked about job opportunities and she said that its a great company to work for, but there is NOTHING going on right now. Its dead. So no job openings. I mentioned the new 3DS and project Cafe and she acknowledged them but said nothing big was happening regarding them right now.
Could this lady just not be working in the right area or is NoA really just sitting around twiddling their thumbs with a new console launch fast approaching? You'd think every employee at the company would be aware of them coming.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 29, 2011, 04:57:03 PM
You're in Washington, right? Didn't most of NoA's operations move to San Francisco? Maybe it's just nothing going on where she's at.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
You're in Washington, right? Didn't most of NoA's operations move to San Francisco? Maybe it's just nothing going on where she's at.
That was about to be my exact response...
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Stratos on May 29, 2011, 07:26:17 PM
No. The headquarters in still here in Redmond. Sales and marketing moved out to San Fransisco and New York but the rest is still here. The QA and localization stuff is here. So if 'nothing is happening' when it comes to QA and localization then you gotta wonder what Nintendo has in the pipeline. Either most of the crap they plan to release is finished and collecting dust or not coming at all.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Ymeegod on May 30, 2011, 02:06:19 AM
Actually we see reps from time to time but they're mostly some sort of marketing rep for nintendo. Yeah I met a few of them and them admitted to being non-gamers and didn't have much to say other than what was required from the job.
A job's a job right?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mop it up on May 30, 2011, 02:46:29 AM
So if 'nothing is happening' when it comes to QA and localization then you gotta wonder what Nintendo has in the pipeline. Either most of the crap they plan to release is finished and collecting dust or not coming at all.
Or perhaps she can't/doesn't want to talk about what they are doing.
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Post by: broodwars on May 30, 2011, 02:52:41 AM
So if 'nothing is happening' when it comes to QA and localization then you gotta wonder what Nintendo has in the pipeline. Either most of the crap they plan to release is finished and collecting dust or not coming at all.
Or perhaps she can't/doesn't want to talk about what they are doing.
Indeed, NDAs are a real hassle when it comes to stuff like this. Better to just make something up and leave then risk your job.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Stratos on May 31, 2011, 05:11:42 AM
Except she could have just said they were working on the next big thing from Nintendo or something. And I was asking about the job market specifically. Asking about jobs led to her saying there was nothing going on so there was no need to hire anyone. It's possible she was only speaking about her department and that happens to be one that doesn't go crazy until around launch.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2011, 09:42:20 AM
OR she would say the one thing that would make you lose interest in asking anymore questions so that she didn't accidentally say something that could get her fired, like she was probably trained to do.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on May 31, 2011, 01:45:32 PM
As if this oil fire wasn't already blazing, here's some more fuel to keep it going (sorry for the elaborate metaphor):
Sakaguchi possibly confirmed release of The Last Story in Europe, says French website (http://www.livewii.fr/news/157432-Sakaguchi_confirme_The_Last_Story_en_Europe)
Apparently, during a press event in Paris, Sakaguchi made comments that implied that The Last Story was being localised for the European market and would perhaps be released in early 2012, after Xenoblade Chronicles and Dragon Quest VI were out. Bear in mind that this is a translation of a translation in essence, so nothing has been etched into stone just yet.
Still though, I'd be happy. I don't know if I need both of these action RPGs, but if you're talking about fleshing out the final year of the Wii software line-up, having Xenoblade and The Last Story out would help a lot. As for their fate in the American market, at this point, they might as well. All the English text and voice work is being done, so it would hardly be the most laborious task. Unless co-ordination between the Western branches of Nintendo is really that bad.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 31, 2011, 02:41:34 PM
Like I've said many times before, if these games are coming to Europe, then they're guaranteed to come to North America as well. Xenoblade and The Last Story were both big budget RPG that Nintendo spent good money on making, and have a huge amount of content that will make any localizations pretty expensive as well. North America is Nintendo's largest territory, where most of their games get the largest sales. For Xenoblade and The Last Story, NCL isn't going to spend the kind of money they did to get both games made, and then spend even more to get both games an English dub, only to not release either of them in their largest territory.
This isn't like Disaster and Another Code where the games were both low budget titles that NOA and NOE were given the choice if they wanted to localize each one because they didn't cost NCL hardly anything to make. Xenoblade and The Last Story both basically rival Nintendo's top series like Mario and Zelda in terms of budget and as a result, Iwata is going to want the most sales he can get out of each one. This is why in this situation, NOA has to release both games because they have no other choice.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: broodwars on May 31, 2011, 03:57:05 PM
Like I've said many times before, if these games are coming to Europe, then they're guaranteed to come to North America as well. Xenoblade and The Last Story were both big budget RPG that Nintendo spent good money on making, and have a huge amount of content that will make any localizations pretty expensive as well. North America is Nintendo's largest territory, where most of their games get the largest sales. For Xenoblade and The Last Story, NCL isn't going to spend the kind of money they did to get both games made, and then spend even more to get both games an English dub, only to not release either of them in their largest territory.
This isn't like Disaster and Another Code where the games were both low budget titles that NOA and NOE were given the choice if they wanted to localize each one because they didn't cost NCL hardly anything to make. Xenoblade and The Last Story both basically rival Nintendo's top series like Mario and Zelda in terms of budget and as a result, Iwata is going to want the most sales he can get out of each one. This is why in this situation, NOA has to release both games because they have no other choice.
I don't disagree with you that the development costs would point to the game having a release in NA. My concern is after these games didn't sell that spectacularly in Japan: 157,000 for Xenoblade and 170,000 for Last Story, assuming you believe VGChartz. By comparison, the same source cites Final Fantasy XIII on PS3 as selling nearly 1.87 million units in Japan, which would make those two games abject failures by comparison considering the Wii's huge install base (it doesn't mean the games are bad or that I don't want them. It simply means they didn't sell despite a huge marketing push from Nintendo on especially Last Story). NCL might not have confidence that these games are going to sell in NA, so they're using Europe as a test market with an option to bring them to NA if they sell well (which they probably won't).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 31, 2011, 05:22:14 PM
NCL might not have confidence that these games are going to sell in NA, so they're using Europe as a test market with an option to bring them to NA if they sell well (which they probably won't).
That doesn't really make any sense though since North America is the much larger and more successful territory for Nintendo. Even though Wii sales have been dropping around the world, Wii software and hardware still sells much better in NA then Europe.
Not to mention would make even less business sense for NCL because Xenoblade and The Last Story play more like Western RPG's then traditional JRPG's and these types of games sells much better on home console in North America then Europe. Now if Nintendo was releasing both games on the PC, then releasing them only in Europe would make sense because the PC RPG market is much bigger over there. But for a home console RPG, that plays like a game that's more popular in North America and is a territory that most of NCL's games almost always do better in, I just don't see these games not coming out over here.
Of course we only have to wait one more week now in order to find out if they're coming to North America or not so we'll all know the answer very soon.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Stratos on May 31, 2011, 10:35:15 PM
Problem is that Nintendo has used Europe as a 'test market'. Disaster: Day of Destruction's performance in Europe was cited as a direct reason for it not coming here, was it not? That's what Reggie claimed at least. Stupid to use Europe as a test for NA but it does seem to be the case.
I feel that all games should come to both regions considering the cross-over of similar languages. English is spoken in both NA and UK. And other European nations have very similar if not exactly the same characters in their written form so translation is easier than from Japanese. Feels like wasted resources on some level to not leverage that cross-over.
OR she would say the one thing that would make you lose interest in asking anymore questions so that she didn't accidentally say something that could get her fired, like she was probably trained to do.
I get your points here and by everyone else, but judging from her demeanor, personality and language used I still feel the same about it.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mop it up on June 01, 2011, 12:21:57 AM
Or maybe she just didn't like you and didn't want you working there.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Stogi on June 01, 2011, 11:56:04 AM
Stratos, you got to factor in that she probably gets asked questions every time she wears that jacket out. Maybe she wasn't more open because she was annoyed.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 12:06:42 PM
So Mistwalker has a new RPG. I hear its about Stratos talking to a Woman in a Nintendo Jacket. Awesome graphics. It "The Last Story" due to the Dating Sim portion of the story and you investigate the slow deterioration of NOA through NCL micro-mismanagement. Reggie will be Playable, complete with Sea Monster, plus notable past Marketers. You will visit TreeHouse. Already slated for a Japan release. NoE is interested and No Word from NoA.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2011, 05:23:07 PM
The important thing, though, is that the game will (if this is true) be translated into English. It's really easy to install the Homebrew Channel, and with it the ability to play import games.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 05:26:48 PM
The important thing, though, is that the game will (if this is true) be translated into English. It's really easy to install the Homebrew Channel, and with it the ability to play import games.
I don't think this game is import friendly.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2011, 05:44:09 PM
The important thing, though, is that the game will (if this is true) be translated into English.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: Mop it up on June 01, 2011, 06:01:28 PM
Aren't there extra steps you need to do in order to play a PAL game because of the difference in televisions?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2011, 06:12:24 PM
I'm pretty sure it's just a menu selection in Gecko OS.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2011, 08:43:21 AM
It sounds like The Last Story & Pandora's Tower both have a shot at coming out in Europe.
http://www.livewii.fr/news/158610-%5BE3_11%5D_Mathieu_Minel_parle_de_Xenoblade_et_The_Last_Story (http://www.livewii.fr/news/158610-%5BE3_11%5D_Mathieu_Minel_parle_de_Xenoblade_et_The_Last_Story) Nintendo of France: -Xenoblade hits Europe in Sept. -There is hope for The Last Story & Pandora's Tower
Quote from: Matthew Minel, Director of Marketing, Nintendo France
Q: So is the Last Story coming out?
A: We're in the US, so we can't speak about The Last Story... We hope it'll be released. We are only allowed to say "hope"... Hope is promising... just like with Pandora's Tower", he said with an enormous smile.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 25, 2011, 11:15:43 PM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/26966
Boom. Take that BnM.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's new RPG "The Last Story" coming to Wii in Japan in 2011
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2011, 12:05:26 AM
Alternatively, you could say that NA stands for 'Not Applicable'. :P
The nice part of me says: My sympathies to all in the US who were looking forward to The Last Story. And hey, you never know, the stake through the heart hasn't come just yet. There's still hope.
The nasty part of me says: Ha! Now you know what it's like! Sweet, juicy justice is served!
Seriously though, if you really, really want to play it, you shouldn't hesitate to import. Using one of the homebrew methods to allow it to work isn't really all that different from what everyone did to make Gamecube region free.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012 and likely NEVER NA.
Post by: NeoStar9X on June 26, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
It's coming down to that for many people I think. However I'm getting to the point that if I have to do this in the end it gets close to killing any chances of me picking up a Wii U unless it can be modded as well. I don't believe NoA will do right by the core gamers Nintendo says it wants back. Actions speak louder then words.
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Post by: Sundoulos on June 26, 2011, 02:32:49 PM
I agree. I'm not very interested in Wii U at this point, until Nintendo can show that there really will be more games that I'm interested in playing and that they're ability to support online play won't be complete garbage. I may change my tune once something more concrete is shown; thus far, I'm not truly impressed and don't plan to be an early adopter of the Wii U at the very least.
Nintendo's actions regarding this matter with The Last Story and Xenoblade show that they aren't very serious about bringing games out. The dearth of games shown for any of Nintendo's systems at E3 is a head-scratcher; it makes me want to shout, "What the heck have your developers been doing all of this time?"
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012 and likely NEVER NA.
Post by: Retro Deckades on June 26, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
If I import this and Xenoblade from Europe, I think I'll bill NOA for the shipping.
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Post by: noname2200 on June 26, 2011, 03:45:43 PM
Reason #2 for me to install homebrew. Hope you're happy NoA!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012 and likely NEVER NA.
Post by: Mop it up on June 26, 2011, 04:49:25 PM
I'm not very interested in Wii U at this point, until Nintendo can show that there really will be more games that I'm interested in playing and that they're ability to support online play won't be complete garbage.
In my case, I don't like to buy systems at launch since there just are never enough games to play, so even if the Wii U has an amazing launch lineup I wouldn't get one until at least a year out. So either way I'd like these games to come here so I have more to play whilst waiting for the Wii U lineup to build.
The title was edited since then, it used to say "NEVER America."
Indeed. I thought it was more appropriate to specify the North America region, rather than just the USA.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 26, 2011, 06:05:31 PM
I'm just going to say this.Broodwars I know that this is your topic but I just feel that your changing of the topic to that is just to bring out all the negativity in everyone. There really isn't any need for that type of title.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012
Post by: broodwars on June 26, 2011, 06:33:14 PM
I'm just going to say this.Broodwars I know that this is your topic but I just feel that your changing of the topic to that is just to bring out all the negativity in everyone. There really isn't any need for that type of title.
You say that like NoA's laziness and complacency is not the reason for such "negativity" in everyone, but me. Fine then, but Nintendo deserves the "negativity".
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 26, 2011, 06:35:55 PM
I'm just saying that there is still a chance for release of this game thats all.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: Sundoulos on June 26, 2011, 09:06:37 PM
A little negativity isn't always a bad thing--if it can be channeled into something constructive.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 26, 2011, 09:35:59 PM
A little negativity isn't always a bad thing--if it can be channeled into something constructive.
I guess that is true but if these 3 titles head to the US then well you guys willl have to put your money where your mouth is otherwise all the work will be for naught.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on June 27, 2011, 08:36:41 PM
Hey everyone,
Just saw on IGN that apparently Nintendo of America is aware of the campaign for these games, and will be releasing a statement on the matter.
as much as I myself would love to get my hand on the Last Story I have a bad feeling nintendo wont bring them to North america. I hope I'm wrong
Indeed, Last Story is the game I care about as well. Xenoblade I could go either way on, as it reminds me a bit too much of Final Fantasy XII, a game I loathed. Last Story, though, looks more interesting and different to me.
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Post by: grantimus on June 28, 2011, 11:38:49 PM
Bring The Last Story, Xenoblade, and Pandora's Tower, to North America! Do your part!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: cubist on July 03, 2011, 02:35:35 AM
Denied.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 24, 2012, 06:38:58 AM
Checking my twitter right now and OP Rainfall tweeted and has confirmed via Aussie Nintendo that The Last Story is heading to Australia on Febuary 23rd so a little less then a month from now. Here is the link.
Also wanted to point out that OP rainfall is going to get started on The Last Story on January 27th but they are sending letters out to NOA at the end of tomorrow so you might want to get in on that as well if you can if you haven't done so. Here is their link.
http://oprainfall.blogspot.com/
We already have Xenoblade so lets get the other 2 here as well.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 24, 2012, 07:43:43 AM
Op Rainfall is irrelevant to whether Last Story is coming to North America. That decision is going to be based pretty much entirely on how well Xenoblade sells here.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 24, 2012, 09:47:31 AM
While that may be true it doesn't hurt to encourage supporting them being them over now does it via OP Rainfall now does it?
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Post by: ejamer on January 24, 2012, 10:00:49 AM
Whatever happens, I hope Nintendo doesn't announce through Twitter that a statement about the release is coming, and then reveal to everyone that there are "no plans" to release the game in North America. Gem of a PR move that was.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 24, 2012, 06:13:18 PM
It'll probably come down to GameStop on this one. If GameStop finds that it was worthwhile to secure XenoBlade as an exclusive, they will probably strike the same sort of deal for The Last Story.
I doubt they will touch Pandora's Tower, however. I don't see that one making it to North America.
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Post by: Dasmos on January 24, 2012, 06:16:40 PM
I'm probably going to buy this game and not play it, just like I did with Xenoblade, just because I can.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: broodwars on January 24, 2012, 06:19:44 PM
My birthday's at the end of April, so I ended up asking for an import copy of The Last Story as my B-Day gift. I have no faith whatsoever that this game will be released by NoA, especially after seeing how poorly they're treating Xenoblade (a game they are releasing), with GameStop allegedly having to make a deal with NoA to release it. If you're interested in this game and live in NA, I suggest you do the same.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: Kytim89 on January 24, 2012, 07:02:11 PM
One thing that bothers me about these games is that if we do get all three and they sell in small numbers then later down the road we might have to pay a very large sum of money for the North American version of thse games due to rarity. The same is happening to Metroid Prime Trilogy and that Super Mario All Stars Wii edition. They are both selling for very high amounts of money.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: broodwars on January 24, 2012, 07:06:35 PM
One thing that bothers me about these games is that if we do get all three and they sell in small numbers then later down the road we might have to pay a very large sum of money for the North American version of thse games due to rarity. The same is happening to Metroid Prime Trilogy and that Super Mario All Stars Wii edition. They are both selling for very high amounts of money.
What do you care about that? You're almost a guaranteed Day 1 purchaser, Kytim. If anything, that should be my problem since I can't get rid of my Wii without losing my ability to play my import Rainfall games.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 24, 2012, 07:13:53 PM
GameStop has pre-owned copies of All-Stars online for $26.99. Both Trilogy and All-Stars were designed with limited runs.
I do hope everyone who claimed they wanted Xenoblade buy it so the chances of The Last Story coming over increases.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: Kytim89 on January 24, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
One thing that bothers me about these games is that if we do get all three and they sell in small numbers then later down the road we might have to pay a very large sum of money for the North American version of thse games due to rarity. The same is happening to Metroid Prime Trilogy and that Super Mario All Stars Wii edition. They are both selling for very high amounts of money.
What do you care about that? You're almost a guaranteed Day 1 purchaser, Kytim. If anything, that should be my problem since I can't get rid of my Wii without losing my ability to play my import Rainfall games.
Well, I was until the two rear tires on my Blazer blew out and then the starter solenoid (which caused me to miss the launch of Skyward Sword) and then my battery died due to the cold weather. All of this has set me back in money to atleast the summer.
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Post by: Mop it up on January 24, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
The thing about Metroid Prime Trilogy and Super Mario All-Stars is that the former is labeled with "Collector's Edition" and the latter "Limited Edition." For some strange reason, games with these labels tend to sell for a lot more than regular games, regardless of availability. SMAS sold over 2 million worldwide, and MPT likely sold at least a few hundred thousand, so neither one is rare, just in demand.
Unless XenoBlade is actually labeled as a limited edition or something, I don't see it becoming valuable.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 24, 2012, 09:43:03 PM
Atlus games aren't labeled like that, but they are expensive because they receive very small print runs (a few hundred thousand isn't tiny, but still small enough that it was very hard to find for a long time and even now used copies go for around $70).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: Mop it up on January 24, 2012, 09:51:38 PM
Which Atlus games, specifically, sell for $70? I know I've heard people say that the Trauma Center games are difficult to find, but I've seen all three of the Wii ones for $10-15 new at various times. So I have to wonder if it's true for any of Atlus's other games.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on January 24, 2012, 10:19:45 PM
Maybe not $70, but it's usually pretty rare to find Atlus games for less than their launch price at any point.
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Post by: Lithium on January 24, 2012, 11:04:06 PM
One thing that bothers me about these games is that if we do get all three and they sell in small numbers then later down the road we might have to pay a very large sum of money for the North American version of thse games due to rarity.
She was always my least favourite pony... Yeah that's why i decided to preorder the game even though i didn't care that much about operation rainfall since i already have a **** ton of games on my backlog.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: ejamer on January 24, 2012, 11:14:28 PM
GameStop has pre-owned copies of All-Stars online for $26.99. ...
I do hope everyone who claimed they wanted Xenoblade buy it so the chances of The Last Story coming over increases.
That's a good price for All-Stars - isn't the average eBay value considerably higher? Still more than I want to pay for an SNES ROM... but a good price nonetheless.
As for Xenoblade, I already did buy. From NoE. You know, because they actually made the effort to localize, advertise, and release that game in a reasonable way. I'm also planning to support NoE's release of The Last Story (maybe the limited edition?) unless NoA coughs up a confirmed release date before that game comes out in Europe.
As for Atlus games jumping in price over time due to smaller print runs, I've seen it happen. Trauma Center series seems to not be affected yet, but grabbing Radiant Historia (DS) isn't cheap and easy anymore. Xenoblade will probably hold value extremely well due to being a smaller than normal release in North America for such a high quality game.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 01, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
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Post by: Ymeegod on February 07, 2012, 04:48:03 AM
Reviews are coming in, mostly 8-8.5. Most of them state the gameplay was great but the story was a bit too complex and strained and the music scores were spread to thin and lacked that epic feel.
Still an 8 from Edge (who generally hate JRPGs) is good enough for me to import. Game comes out Feb 22 but I don't expect to see the game intil mid March :(.
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 07, 2012, 10:36:38 PM
Smite me all you want but what exactly does the J stand for in JRPG? I don't even know when that term started popping up.
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Post by: broodwars on February 07, 2012, 10:57:50 PM
Smite me all you want but what exactly does the J stand for in JRPG? I don't even know when that term started popping up.
Japanese Role- Playing Game
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Post by: Stogi on February 07, 2012, 11:15:20 PM
JAPANESE
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Post by: Caliban on February 07, 2012, 11:54:58 PM
I loved how in that first group the lady "died".
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 07, 2012, 11:55:54 PM
re the 3D Japanese gag video
meh, Just For Laughs Gags is much cleverer and funnier than that show. Its out of Quebec.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: ejamer on February 20, 2012, 11:08:39 AM
FYI: Import versions of the collector's edition of The Last Story have dropped in price, at least a Zavvi. Used to be 45 GBP, now 38. With the exchange rate being roughly 1.5, that's a reasonable drop and makes the extras included cost about $14 over the basic release.
I finally bit the bullet and preordered today, grabbing Disaster at the same time. RFN jokes about how it rips of The Rock line-by-line was good enough to justify the 10 GBP price. Pikmin 2 NPC also found it's way into my cart since NoA obviously has no intention of bringing that game over... but Another Code R seemed too expensive and got skipped. Maybe next time.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: ejamer on February 20, 2012, 03:40:53 PM
FYI: Import versions of the collector's edition of The Last Story have dropped in price, at least a Zavvi. Used to be 45 GBP, now 38. With the exchange rate being roughly 1.5, that's a reasonable drop and makes the extras included cost about $14 over the basic release. ..[size=78%].[/size]
Heads-up notice:
On another website, I noticed that a guy who preordered at Zavvi was charged the original price when the game dispatched earlier today. The price drop mentioned above is part of Zavvi's current "Mega Monday"... so it might or might not count towards the pre-order price protection offer.
What does this mean? If you've preordered with Zavvi, check your order and see what it looks like now. If the price isn't dropped and the package isn't dispatched, then consider cancelling and reordering now just in case.
Or just wait and see what happens. Hey, it's only money right?
Price is still the same today, so it wasn't a one-day sale. Looks like the other guy got screwed over. He's working with customer support to confirm why the price drop wasn't applied, but in the meantime you still might want to double-check your Zavvi order if getting the game from there.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to Europe in 2012. NA Release unknown.
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 21, 2012, 01:50:23 AM
Okay people The Last Story is Coming out on the 24th of February. If you can change the title Broodwars for the Europe part that would be great.
For the rest of the world OPRainfall is going to do some things on the 24th of February that it would be great for you guys to do if you guys want it over here as well.
IT ALL GOES DOWN, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2012!! IF YOU LIVE IN EUROPE, OCEANIA, OR SOUTH AFRICA:
BUY THE GAME!!
Post unboxing videos and Let's Play videos and share them with us
Post your own user reviews and leave comments on the reviews of others
After spending one hour or more, go to the Nintendo Channel and rate the game
Be sure to thank Nintendo of Europe by sending an email to customer-support@nintendo.co.uk or if you use Twitter, you can send a tweet to @NintendoUK and/or @NintendoEurope
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IF YOU LIVE IN NORTH OR SOUTH AMERICA:1. Call Nintendo of America Customer Service Please be extremely polite when calling Customer Service. The representatives do not have release date information that does not already exist on the website. Simply mention that you are a huge fan of RPGs and would like to let Nintendo of America know that you are interested in The Last Story and Pandora's Tower coming to America. You can even say that you saw these games on a website and you are wondering when they are coming out in America. ANYTHING to let them know you are INTERESTED in the games. STAY CLASSY!
Please use one of these numbers to reach NoA customer service:
1-800-633-3236 (General Office)
1-800-255-3700 (Customer Service)
2. EMAIL Nintendo of AmericaThere are two methods to email Nintendo of America:
Use their webform: http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/webform.jsp (http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/webform.jsp)
Email them directly: nintendo@noa.nintendo.com
PLEASE NOTE: If you have already sent emails to Nintendo of America regarding Xenoblade, The Last Story, and/or Pandora's Tower, YOU MAY BE ON AN EMAIL BLACKLIST BY NINTENDO. YOU WILL NEED TO SET UP AN ALTERNATE EMAIL ACCOUNT. Doing so is very simple and only requires a few minutes of your time. A few sites that provide free, web-based email services that you can use for this campaign are: Gmail (by Google) Yahoo Mail Microsoft Live Mail and more! 3. COMMENT & TWEET Nintendo of AmericaNintendo of America has several social media pages that they use to communicate with fans. Keep your posts polite, and remember that Operation Rainfall does not promote piracy or boycott of Nintendo products. Remember, we are doing this because of our enthusiasm for the titles, not to show off how whiny or angry you can be. We will be focusing on TWO sites run by Nintendo of America
Full list of social media sites run by Nintendo of America: http://oprainfall.freeforums.org/twitter-facebook-youtube-t154.html (http://oprainfall.freeforums.org/twitter-facebook-youtube-t154.html)
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Post by: ejamer on February 21, 2012, 09:51:17 AM
PLEASE NOTE: If you have already sent emails to Nintendo of America regarding Xenoblade, The Last Story, and/or Pandora's Tower, YOU MAY BE ON AN EMAIL BLACKLIST BY NINTENDO. YOU WILL NEED TO SET UP AN ALTERNATE EMAIL ACCOUNT.
With all due respect, if I could be blacklisted for asking (politely) about a game that interests me then I know how much my feedback is desired/appreciated. My scepticism about NoA reacting to this campaign aside, this bolded statement kills any interest I have in joining the crusade.
I am importing the special edition however, and will post photos if anyone wants to see them.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 21, 2012, 10:20:15 PM
I doubt that they blacklisted anyone who sent a single email. Judging from how much they stress being polite, I have a feeling that some people took it way too far and sent a lot of letters.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch on Feb. 24th. NA Release unknown.
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 21, 2012, 11:05:23 PM
ejamer if not for yourself at least do it for your fellow gamers.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch on Feb. 24th. NA Release unknown.
Post by: ejamer on February 22, 2012, 08:55:46 AM
I doubt that they blacklisted anyone who sent a single email. Judging from how much they stress being polite, I have a feeling that some people took it way too far and sent a lot of letters.
ejamer if not for yourself at least do it for your fellow gamers.
Fair enough. I might have lost faith in NoA to supply games that I want on Wii... but sending an email doesn't hurt and I would rather have a North American version if it gets released (even if that means selling/replacing my import copy).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch on Feb. 24th. NA Release unknown.
Post by: Enner on February 22, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
The Last Story coming to North America courtesy of XSEED Games.
Yay! Three cheers for Xseed Games, who stepped in to bring this game out in North America!
Hip Hip hooray hooray hooray
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2012, 12:20:32 PM
Okay I was just checking my twitter timeline and it seems OPRainfall will still be doing the above but it will be thanking them instead so just contact them via the above means but thank them and also if you use twitter or Facebook thank XSeed games that way too.
Earlier this week we announced plans to contact Nintendo (http://www.facebook.com/Nintendo) of America. We are still following through with those plans, except NOW, we'll be saying "thank you!" ALSO Be sure to let XSEED Games (http://www.facebook.com/XSEEDGames) know how happy you are as well: Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/XSEEDGames (http://www.facebook.com/XSEEDGames) Twitter: @XSEEDGames
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Post by: broodwars on February 22, 2012, 01:34:23 PM
Damn, I really wish that XSEED had given a release date, and that that date would be sometime in April. I asked for the import copy of this game for my birthday in April, which has likely shipped by now. I really want to reward XSEED for picking this game up, but I'm not buying this game twice. I hope it works out well for them. Thanks to whatever mod fixed the topic heading while I was away from the forums.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2012, 01:54:15 PM
I could probably find out for you Broodwars. I mean it is kinda what I do.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: broodwars on February 22, 2012, 02:27:52 PM
OK, scratch that. I just spoke to the person who was going to gift me the game, and it turns out she never ordered it. I'll ask for something else for my birthday (there are at least 3 games released in March I can pick), as I can wait until Summer for the NA release.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2012, 03:05:17 PM
Looked around a little for some info for someone on Twitter and I came across this link.
Basically the important info to take from this is that it is Classic Controller compatible. It doesn't have wiimote shake controls.16 save slots.Dolby Pro Logic II compatible.
Oh XSeed just put up a Last Story Facebook page. Here it is. https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Last-Story-The-Official-Page/184256625011414 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Last-Story-The-Official-Page/184256625011414)
Summer 2012 seems to be the ball park for the release date.
They also have a section on their forum for The Last Story http://xseedgames.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?39-The-Last-Story
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Post by: Caterkiller on February 22, 2012, 04:13:38 PM
Thanks Broodwars and Stogi. What are none JRPG's called? Are they labeled in such a way that describes their open ended design like WoW or that new Star Wars? Or like Skyrim? I'm super out of the modern loop.
And hooray for the good news!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 22, 2012, 04:17:25 PM
Something like Skyrim or Fallout is generally referred to as a Western RPG. WoW or Star Wars: The Old Republic are MMOs, which should probably be treated as their own separate category.
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Post by: ejamer on February 22, 2012, 04:18:19 PM
Now I only have two questions:
Will XSEED release a special edition? (I'm guessing yes, but have absolutely nothing to back that up.)
How will online work between regions? (Presumably it won't.)
I know it's a long way off before we'll know, but I'm still curious.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2012, 04:26:41 PM
Something like Skyrim or Fallout is generally referred to as a Western RPG. WoW or Star Wars: The Old Republic are MMOs, which should probably be treated as their own separate category.
I also remember the term CRPG, which I personally always understood to stand for Computer RPG. My perception is that these were/are generally more old-school than modern day Western RPGs, much slower-paced, with extremely intensive tactical turn-based combat and plenty of stats, more akin to custom computerized pen-and-paper experiences. Think NeverWinter Nights, but even more complex and esoteric.
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Post by: Gameboy Freak on February 24, 2012, 11:48:28 AM
Wow! I might actually get this game! ;D Sniff..sniff... Whats that I smell? Gamestop exclusive?! Nevermind......
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Post by: Adrock on February 24, 2012, 12:05:30 PM
As far as I know, The Last Story isn't GameStop exclusive. Xenoblade kind of is if you can't be bothered to buy it through Nintendo's website directly.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 24, 2012, 01:10:07 PM
He probably mixed up the games. Anyway. I was checking my twitter yesterday and I saw some tweets from OPRainfall about preorders.One in peticular caught my eye. One from Amazon. In other words I think its safe to say this is going to get spread around to the major retailers.
Also I will be posting reviews in the next post as I find them since it is out today in Europe if you are on the fence or in you are in the America's and want to spoil yourself with info.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 24, 2012, 02:42:06 PM
Thanks for that Canadian retailer link, Maxi. Didn't know about them. Too bad they charge shipping. Not much, but I can still get it elsewhere with free shipping so...
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 24, 2012, 02:53:20 PM
Yeah I found that link on the Xseed forums. hint hint nudge nudge. Oh right I was suppose to post reviews.
Taken From the XSeed Forums credit goes to Shizuka (http://xseedgames.com/forums/member.php?155-Shizuka)for compiling all them all.
Also here is a new trailer.Watch it in 720p if you can.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 24, 2012, 05:37:49 PM
Does the main villain of this game remind anyone of Ganon? I am talking about that red haired guy with the bad attitude? He reminds me of Ganon from Legend of Zelda.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 24, 2012, 07:18:23 PM
Hmm what point does he show up in the trailer Kytim?
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Post by: Gameboy Freak on February 24, 2012, 07:29:46 PM
I'm a bit torn at the moment. Which game should I buy this or Xenoblade Chronicles? They both look really interesting but I am on a budget. :(
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 24, 2012, 07:37:29 PM
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Post by: Adrock on February 24, 2012, 07:38:08 PM
@Gameboy Freak
Which one seems more interesting to you? If I absolutely had to pick one, I would personally go with The Last Story. It reminds me of Final Fantasy IX, the last major non-Mario RPG I really liked. If you're undecided, you might want to pick up whichever one gets the more limited release which seems like Xenoblade since it's only available in stores from a single retailer though The Last Story is probably not getting a huge print run either.
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Post by: Shaymin on February 24, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
Which one seems more interesting to you? If I absolutely had to pick one, I would personally go with The Last Story. It reminds me of Final Fantasy IX, the last major non-Mario RPG I really liked. If you're undecided, you might want to pick up whichever one gets the more limited release which seems like Xenoblade since it's only available in stores from a single retailer though The Last Story is probably not getting a huge print run.
How does Last Story remind you of Final Fantasy IX? I have noticed this myself, but I have not been able to explain how the two compare to each other.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 24, 2012, 07:46:13 PM
I'm a bit torn at the moment. Which game should I buy this or Xenoblade Chronicles? They both look really interesting but I am on a budget. :(
Here is another thing to consider. Xenoblade from what I can tell is more focused on Single player while The Last Story does have multiplayer elements.Think it has 6 player online. What type of gamer are you? Which matters more to you?
Kytim I do see the similarities but I wonder if the similarities are any deeper then looks?
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Post by: Adrock on February 24, 2012, 07:52:18 PM
How does Last Story remind you of Final Fantasy IX? I have noticed this myself, but I have not been able to explain how the two compare to each other.
Have you seen Final Fantasy X-XIV? The Last Story looks like the opposite if that. It's old-school Final Fantasy, not that George Lucas-esque BS Square Enix has been passing off as Final Fantasy for the past decade.
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Post by: broodwars on February 24, 2012, 09:27:11 PM
I've seen most of the trailers, and nothing about them reminds me of that mediocre nostalgia-fest known as Final Fantasy IX. Honestly, what The Last Story reminds me of most in places is Final Fantasy XII in its look and color palette, while the combat reminds me somewhat of the Mass Effect series.
As for recommending between Xenoblade and The Last Story, I own Xenoblade (though I still haven't gotten around to finishing it yet) so perhaps I'm a bit biased but I would recomend Xenoblade if you can only own one. It seems the more well-rounded game with a much more pleasing artistic look, a bigger and more interesting world, and reportedly a better story. The Last Story certainly looks interesting and I'm going to buy it when it hits NA, but the game's been getting lower reviews than Xenoblade and I've just never liked the look of the game.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 24, 2012, 09:47:32 PM
How does Last Story remind you of Final Fantasy IX? I have noticed this myself, but I have not been able to explain how the two compare to each other.
Have you seen Final Fantasy X-XIV? The Last Story looks like the opposite if that. It's old-school Final Fantasy, not that George Lucas-esque BS Square Enix has been passing off as Final Fantasy for the past decade.
Xenoblade and Last Story seem to be the modern day equivalent to both Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6. Granted that those two titles will always be reveered by RPG fans the world over, I do see Xenoblade and Last Story as being spiritual successors in the sense of redefining the RPG. They certainly rekindled my interest that was killed off by Final Fantasy 13.
The best games on the Final Fantasy series will always be VI, VII, VIII and IX. Those game kicked ass and really made the series shine, of course that was when Sakaguchi was still with Sqaure though. Looking at Final Fantasy 13 I can see where the real talent in that series went to after he left the company.
I wonder if Sakaguchi and Mistwalker would work with Square on Final Fantasy XV under contract? It would interesting to see the next console Final Fantasy go back to its roots in the same manner as FF IX did back when it was released.
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Post by: broodwars on February 24, 2012, 10:02:16 PM
They certainly rekindled my interest that was killed off by Final Fantasy 13.
Alright, quick question: did you actually play Final Fantasy 13 and give it a fair shot, or (as usual) did you have your opinion defined by whatever random thing someone else recently said?
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The best games on the Final Fantasy series will always be VI, VII, VIII and IX. Those game kicked ass and really made the series shine, of course that was when Sakaguchi was still with Sqaure though. Looking at Final Fantasy 13 I can see where the real talent in that series went to after he left the company.
Hah! Seriously? You seriously think 8 was one of the best of the series, the game with one of the most boring and broken combat systems ever devised for a game? The game that has one of the worst and most convoluted stories in all of Final Fantasy (and that's saying something)?
I can understand (but don't agree with) people putting 7 as one of the top games, as it was many peoples' first Final Fantasy and their perspective is clouded by nostalgia. I accept the FF 4 fans in much the same way. But I just don't understand the love affair people have with 9. I like it. Zidane is one of my favorite FF characters with his boundless optimism, and I liked the ending. It's in the upper end of my list of favorite Final Fantasies. But when I think back upon all the time I put into 9, aside from the skill-learning system with weapons and armor I just can't think of anything special or noteworthy about the game (hence why I call it mediocre). It's nostalgia for nostalgia's sake, which is cute for a time but grows tiresome after a while.
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I wonder if Sakaguchi and Mistwalker would work with Square on Final Fantasy XV under contract? It would interesting to see the next console Final Fantasy go back to its roots in the same manner as FF IX did back when it was released.
I find myself in the very odd situation of actually being in the same boat as die-hard Trekkers: Final Fantasy needs to move forward. Going backward into nostalgia fantasyland because people want to believe the old Final Fantasies were better than they actually is not the answer. Series have to continually redefine themselves for the modern era, and FF is no different. Besides, we have enough Swords & Sorcery RPGs with just about every other franchise.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 25, 2012, 05:31:09 AM
All I know is that I badly wanted Squall to die in VIII.
Anyway, got TLS, didn't leave a good first impression in the first 30 minutes but we'll see how it develops.
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Post by: Ymeegod on February 25, 2012, 06:59:57 AM
Seifer was the worst villian/pansy in FFVIII--how many times did you have to beat him?
I like FFIX myself but found it to be shorter than most FF games, took less than 30 hours but I did enjoy the character ViVi, reminds me of Orko from He-man series.
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Post by: ejamer on February 25, 2012, 02:41:53 PM
If choosing between Xenoblade and The Last Story, take Xenoblade.
I haven't played The Last Story... yet still feel confident saying this because Xenoblade is an amazing game. The Last Story might be worse or might be equally amazing, but I'm confident it won't be better.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 25, 2012, 04:04:40 PM
After a fairly slow and confusing start it got much better, really loving the combat so far. It was just the intro combat bit and then being dropped into a town with lots of exposition that killed my enthusiasm at first.
There are some major framerate problems in larger battles though, really difficult to properly take cover and do those surprise attacks.
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 25, 2012, 08:35:47 PM
After a fairly slow and confusing start it got much better, really loving the combat so far. It was just the intro combat bit and then being dropped into a town with lots of exposition that killed my enthusiasm at first.
There are some major framerate problems in larger battles though, really difficult to properly take cover and do those surprise attacks.
Is that tiger a good guy or bad buy?
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 26, 2012, 04:26:21 AM
What tiger?
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Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2012, 05:31:11 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 27, 2012, 11:21:57 AM
Well, I wouldn't pay much money for him so definitely a bad buy.
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Post by: Mop it up on February 27, 2012, 04:01:03 PM
I don't know much about this game, but I found out that it has an online mode. That might raise my interest in this game depending on what it's like, but I can't find much information on it. Can someone point me in the direction of some kind of explanation?
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Post by: Enner on February 27, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
I don't know much about this game, but I found out that it has an online mode. That might raise my interest in this game depending on what it's like, but I can't find much information on it. Can someone point me in the direction of some kind of explanation?
This lovely website has impressions on the competitive and cooperative multiplayer. http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/impressions/25975
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Post by: Mop it up on February 27, 2012, 04:25:34 PM
Oh, nice. Funny but I actually didn't think to search NWR farther back than a few days. My thought was that it just came out in Europe, I didn't think they'd have covered the Japanese game.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 28, 2012, 12:12:43 PM
I think Dagran looks very similar to Xenoblade's Dunban...
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Post by: Plugabugz on March 01, 2012, 02:55:01 AM
Did anyone have any issues with getting The Last Story from GAME? They cancelled everyone's preorders for TLS, Mass Effect 3 and others.
I'm surprised NWR has nothing on it given Nintendo published/distributed titles were the first ones to be chopped off.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 11, 2012, 11:14:55 AM
... I just unlocked the ability to make the torso armor of characters invisible...
This is definitely a game for Zach.
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Post by: Pixelated Pixies on March 11, 2012, 02:46:45 PM
Having just finished the game, I have to say, both the story and the combat became more interesting towards the second half. The combat system in Last Story has quite abit of potential but the game doesn't really surface this complexity until much later in the game when the Command Mode feature is put to better use. I really wish that this was utilised sooner as by the time the credits rolled I found myself wanting to play more combat scenarios (I haven't played the online mode yet but hopefully it will satisfy in this regard).
I have to say though, there were three big annoyances for me.
Firstly, the frame rate is not acceptable. I'm not usually a snob about these sorts of things, but the frame rate in Last Story is truely terrible.
Secondly, I became increasingly frustrated with how cutscenes and gameplay were intertwined. The transition to cutscenes was always really jarring, with no attempt made to make it feel more integrated. Often, after having just seen a cutscene, I would regain control of my character for all of 5 seconds before another cutscene was triggered. I'm not a big fan of cutscenes to begin with, but giving control back to the player only to take it from them again a few seconds later seems needlessly frustrating.
Thirdly, although the story is relatively good overall, the reveal at the end (which was pretty obvious) was handled poorly, as it made no sense either for the story or the character.
Those are just some personal niggles though. Taken as a whole I enjoyed the game quite a bit. It might not be quite as epic in scope as Xenoblade Chronicles, but there's something to be said for this tighter and leaner JRPG.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 11, 2012, 02:54:59 PM
If those were the only problems for you then I don't think I will have any problems with the game since I don't really care about those types of things.
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Post by: KDR_11k on March 11, 2012, 04:38:50 PM
If framerates dropping to slideshow levels (yes, it gets that bad) don't annoy you...
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Post by: ejamer on March 23, 2012, 01:27:45 PM
Blech...
Still waiting for my import copy to arrive - apparently it got lost in the mail. I'm thankful that 2/3 of my order did arrive safely, but this was the item that convinced me to order in the first place.
Purchased from Zavvi since they came through with Xenoblade. Reported the game as still missing today, and have experienced great and speedy customer service so far. They asked if I would prefer a refund or re-ship (honestly had to think for a second, but decided I'd rather get the special edition re-shipped than cancel and wait for the North American release) and are helping to get things fixed. Fingers crossed that everything works out ok eventually.
On the upside, it's not like I'm lacking in games to play while I wait.
Edit: Issue resolved! My replacement package arrived safely today, and the special edition really does look sweet! I didn't realize the art book was hard covered, and the bonus content comes packed in a beautiful little box. Very excited to give this game a shot now.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 08, 2012, 04:53:40 AM
I guess people are not that interested if they have import copies of this game that they can't even bother to talk about the game even after they got it. Hint hint ejamer I like to hear your thoughts on the game!
Operation Rainfall did a great piece on why you should be excited this game I mean it is coming out in June. I believe it is June 19th is the date for North America. That is roughly 1 month away. http://operationrainfall.com/timeto-get-excited-for-the-last-story/
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Adrock on May 08, 2012, 08:42:32 AM
I better open Xenoblade and get cracking then.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: ejamer on May 08, 2012, 09:41:18 AM
I guess people are not that interested if they have import copies of this game that they can't even bother to talk about the game even after they got it. Hint hint ejamer I like to hear your thoughts on the game! ...
Oops, should've come in and posted something.
Let me start by talking about the bonus goodies with the limited edition package. Three special items are combined with the game in a nice special edition box: a soundtrack CD, an art book, and of course the steel case.
1) The CD was most appealing to me going in as I rather enjoy epic soundtracks. It's not very long - 7 tracks from the game, lasting 25 minutes - and the quality of the music isn't (in my opinion) as good as we got with Xenoblade. I've still listened to it a bunch of times and enjoy the music though.
2) Art books aren't really my thing, as I usually poke through them and kind of forget about them. The book included with this package is fairly small (about the size of a CD case) but has a nice hard cover and includes quite a few pages. There are drawings of major characters and of locations. Quality and overall content is better than the Xenoblade art book distributed here. I was impressed!
3) The steel case is very nice and immediately replaced the standard Wii case on my shelf. One odd complaint though: the game title is printed upside down on the case spine. Weird oversight...
It's worth noting that the CD soundtrack and art book come packaged together in a slipcase titles "Elements of The Last Story", with some nice cover artwork. Overall it's a sweet deal, even if none of the individual parts stand out as being extremely appealing for me. Hopefully XSeed manages to pull together some special edition content for the North American release too.
Now for general impressions. Well, it's going to be short. This game is fun. It throws you right into the action with a short battle to start off the story. Graphics so far are nicer than Xenoblade but lack the scope from that game. Gameplay is interesting, although I'm still coming to grips with the combat and find it a bit... well, it's not what I expected. The battles so far have been quite involved and definitely enjoyable. They feel more action heavy than what I'm used to though.
"Still coming to grips"..? Yep. Mostly because The Last Story hasn't gotten as much play time as I would've liked. There are several reasons for this including a busy work schedule and having a newborn in the house, but also because I simply haven't felt drawn in the same way here as I was with Xenoblade. When The Last Story was announced, it sounded great. Unfortunately the game doesn't have the same appeal to my sense of exploration and wonder that was found in Xenoblade - apparently trading a huge open world for a tighter setting and story.
I'm not saying that The Last Story is a bad game in any way. In fact it might be better than Xenoblade for some people. However, it's missing something (at least in the early going) to make me come back and explore more. It doesn't offer the same sense of excitement to just see what is over the next hill or beyond the half-hidden cave over yonder.
Anyway, take that for what it's worth. I'm still early on with The Last Story and things might improve dramatically. Even if they don't it seems like a great game worth playing and better than many of the games I've already enjoyed this generation. It's almost a shame that this release is standing in the shadow of a monolithic game like Xenoblade.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 08, 2012, 10:29:43 AM
So it is different and distinctive from Xenoblade and it is building its own path as well. I have actually seen some pretty good gameplay from importers which have been pretty good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCIWeokOF6o&feature=plcp and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dExQ98utAYo&feature=plcp for example.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: ejamer on May 08, 2012, 03:16:10 PM
So it is different and distinctive from Xenoblade and it is building its own path as well. I have actually seen some pretty good gameplay from importers which have been pretty good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCIWeokOF6o&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCIWeokOF6o&feature=plcp) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dExQ98utAYo&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dExQ98utAYo&feature=plcp) for example.
Definitely a different experience, but a good one!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Kairon on May 09, 2012, 03:27:42 PM
Last week I got to go to an XSEED preview event in San Francisco and play this. I'm TOTALLY picking this up when it comes now, no questions asked, my mind was pretty much blown from the little I played.
[promotemainsite] ANYWAYS... you can read my NWR impressions on the actual site (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/impressions/30082). [/promotemainsite]
I'm also 100% ready to pick up a Limited Edition if they can manage to swing that.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Drizzt on May 10, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
Now the game isn't coming out till mid July at the earliest. Do you guys think this has anything to do with the possibility of a limited edition?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Mannypon on May 10, 2012, 11:16:33 PM
I think a limited edition was confirmed. I read it thee other day but forgot where. I'm on my cell now and about to go to bed but a quick google search should provide done further info. I probably read it on gonintendo.
EDIT: after a quick search, it wasn't gonintendo but none other than NWR lol. Also, its not confirmed but it looks to be more than just a rumor.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 11, 2012, 07:23:02 AM
I tweeted at XSEED when this all came up and they said that that nothing has been announced yet as far as the status of the limited edition. https://twitter.com/#!/XSEEDGames/status/199970357858406400
So either NWR jumped the gun or it isn't true yet.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: ejamer on May 11, 2012, 08:04:09 AM
"Nothing has been announced" doesn't mean anything though. The special edition could be a definite thing or have no chance to exist, and in either case that statement stays true.
I'm betting that they will offer a special edition if the numbers work out. That's not a sure thing though, especially since the Wii user-base is fickle and the console lifespan is nearly up. Keep your fingers crossed though - I just received my special edition copy of Pandora's Tower yesterday, and can safely say that the extras for The Last Story were far and away the best lot for any of the (European) Operation Rainfall titles.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 11, 2012, 08:26:31 AM
I am not discounting it. There could be one or there couldn't be one. I am just saying that NWR could have waited for a formal announcement from XSEED because I am not really finding anything about it from them on their website.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 11, 2012, 10:24:50 AM
Our article wasn't a confirmation; we said that Xseed was pursuing it, meaning they were looking into and/or trying to do it, and we were told that by an Xseed representative.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Drizzt on June 02, 2012, 02:10:24 PM
A 44 page art book will be included with lauch copies of the game at no extra cost. :D
I wonder if the overall contents will be the same as what was released for the European special edition? Different number of pages, different page size, and surely different composition of the image elements... but the pages shown for Zael have the same content.
Looks like Europe got a better special edition. This is still pretty sweet though, and the art book for this game is better than the Xenoblade bonus we got!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Mop it up on June 02, 2012, 05:40:44 PM
Though technically not a "special edition" it is still a nice bonus, though one I probably won't be able to partake in. :(
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Kairon on June 02, 2012, 07:48:50 PM
No extra cost is pretty sweet!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Kairon on July 13, 2012, 07:19:41 PM
Just pre-ordered from Amazon for its Aug 14 NA release date. TJSpyke, I hope it matters that I'm using that link in your sig whenever I do stuff like this.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 13, 2012, 08:22:52 PM
It's very much appreciated. Every little bit helps.
Rep for you. :)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 23, 2012, 11:40:28 PM
Already have it preordered at gamestop. I can't wait for it to come out and enjoy.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: noname2200 on July 23, 2012, 11:51:33 PM
Hadn't noticed that link. What's that about?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Louieturkey on July 24, 2012, 06:08:00 PM
If you're talking about TJ Spyke's link in his sig, it's a storefront powered by Amazon. Basically he sells things and Amazon ships them and he gets a small commission for the sale. Sell one thing and you get a couple pennies. Get 1000 items sold through the store and it starts to add up.
BTW TJ, I preordered it through there as well, just now in fact. :)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Louieturkey on July 24, 2012, 06:11:52 PM
BTW, I just read from page 11 on that was back in 2010. It's interesting that some people even brought up XSEED back then (though they were talking about Tales of Hearts at the time).
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: noname2200 on July 25, 2012, 12:17:05 AM
If you're talking about TJ Spyke's link in his sig, it's a storefront powered by Amazon. Basically he sells things and Amazon ships them and he gets a small commission for the sale. Sell one thing and you get a couple pennies. Get 1000 items sold through the store and it starts to add up.
BTW TJ, I preordered it through there as well, just now in fact. :)
Gotcha. Ah well, my money's going to one giant conglomerate or another, might as well chip in a few cents for a fellow NWR member.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" European launch Feb. 24. Coming to NA from XSEED!
Post by: Drizzt on August 05, 2012, 10:27:37 AM
Less than 10 days to The Last Story I can't wait. :D
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED on August 14th, 2012!
Post by: Sarail on August 05, 2012, 06:49:37 PM
I. Am. Excite! :P
But seriously, I can't wait to give this game a good run through. The Focus and Gathering abilities sound really fun. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED on August 14th, 2012!
Post by: Lithium on August 06, 2012, 12:53:41 PM
whats the availability on Xseed games usually? should i preorder because they're like Atlus or do they actualy make more than 30 copies of a game?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED on August 14th, 2012!
Post by: Louieturkey on August 06, 2012, 01:43:17 PM
whats the availability on Xseed games usually? should i preorder because they're like Atlus or do they actualy make more than 30 copies of a game?
I'm sure there will be enough of the game available. Though from what I understand, you will not get the preorder bonuses if you don't actually preorder. So it may be worth it. That's why I preordered even though I have no plans to play the game for a while.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED on August 14th, 2012!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 06, 2012, 02:28:21 PM
Here is what you get if you preorder. You get the soundtrack for the game and the art book. If you don't preorder and happen to get one of the first runs of the game then you get the art book. If you don't do either then you don't get either.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED on August 14th, 2012!
Post by: Lithium on August 06, 2012, 05:02:40 PM
i dont really care about the bonuses, but i had it pre-ordered on Amazon for months anyway so i might as well just get it to increase the resale value since it looks the they actually put some effort into them instead of throwaway trinkets like pre order bonuses usually are (i'm a proactive collector haha)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED on August 14th, 2012!
Post by: noname2200 on August 06, 2012, 06:43:49 PM
I never had any problems tracking down the XSEED games that I was interested in, even for such niche titles as LKS and Fragile.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 14, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
So I am checking my twitter feed and it seems there was a shipment delay so you may want to call ahead to where you preordered to see if it was delayed with them in the shipments. I have to go and get it tomorrow from Gamestop.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Louieturkey on August 14, 2012, 02:05:35 PM
So I am checking my twitter feed and it seems there was a shipment delay so you may want to call ahead to where you preordered to see if it was delayed with them in the shipments. I have to go and get it tomorrow from Gamestop.
This is why I order from Amazon so I don't have to worry about if the game will be there or not when I go. It'll be there when it gets to me. :)
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 14, 2012, 02:13:16 PM
So I am checking my twitter feed and it seems there was a shipment delay so you may want to call ahead to where you preordered to see if it was delayed with them in the shipments. I have to go and get it tomorrow from Gamestop.
This is why I order from Amazon so I don't have to worry about if the game will be there or not when I go. It'll be there when it gets to me. :)
Well I called ahead before I went anywhere just to be sure like I always do.
In any case here is the Launch trailer for the game.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Lithium on August 14, 2012, 02:24:08 PM
Amazon.ca says it'll be shipped on the 21st http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B007CSF3GO/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: broodwars on August 14, 2012, 02:29:28 PM
Yeah, I got quite annoyed with my local Gamestop when I walked in to pick up my copy and saw that they were pulling the old "release date!=street date" nonsense. Damn. I was really looking forward to playing that today.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Louieturkey on August 14, 2012, 03:12:32 PM
Amazon.com is saying still that I'm getting it on the 17th.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 14, 2012, 05:08:50 PM
Yeah, I got quite annoyed with my local Gamestop when I walked in to pick up my copy and saw that they were pulling the old "release date!=street date" nonsense. Damn. I was really looking forward to playing that today.
This is not GameStop's fault, there was a problem shipping the game. So blame whoever was suppose to deliver the game to stores.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: broodwars on August 14, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
Yeah, I got quite annoyed with my local Gamestop when I walked in to pick up my copy and saw that they were pulling the old "release date!=street date" nonsense. Damn. I was really looking forward to playing that today.
This is not GameStop's fault, there was a problem shipping the game. So blame whoever was suppose to deliver the game to stores.
When they had the release date before today as the 14th (it's since been changed to the 16th), I think I can but I blame XSEED far more for not having worked out their issues beforehand.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 14, 2012, 05:22:39 PM
Other retailers had it listed for today too, because its when they expected to get the game. Who knows what cause the delay, maybe they had a last minute problem with the shipping company.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 14, 2012, 05:37:50 PM
Gonna have to agree with TJ here. There was probably a problem with the shipment at the last minute and sometimes this stuff happens. You guys have been waiting for the game for this long a day isn't going to hurt. Maybe a Xenoblade Chronicles marathon will pass the time quicker for those disappointed with the slight delay.
Also there is a slight bonus on the delay. For those that haven't preordered the game you get a chance to do that now and get the bonuses as well that the rest of us can get as well.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Mannypon on August 14, 2012, 08:05:42 PM
This game reminds me so much of FF12. I'm currently going through FF12 again as I had previously given up on it when it first released but I've found a new appreciation for it. By far my fav FF behind 6. Anyways, I'll be picking this up as soon as I get FF over and done with. I really hope there are some additional side content with this game as I've read that it can be somewhat short for an rpg. EDIT: uhhh, the dreaded negative reviews are starting to come in. http://www.destructoid.com/review-the-last-story-233007.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/review-the-last-story-233007.phtml) http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_last_story/b/wii/archive/2012/08/14/the-last-story-review.aspx (http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_last_story/b/wii/archive/2012/08/14/the-last-story-review.aspx)
The only thing that really bothers me about the complaints found in the GI one where they state that there is no way, in game, to keep track of side quests. This could be a big pain in the ass as chasing down npcs or objectives without an ingame assist is rough as all hell. In the end, I'll go buy the recomendation of those of you on here who have purchased the game. I look foward to hearing feedback once you all get your copies.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: broodwars on August 16, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
Well, it's Thursday now and the GameStop I pre-ordered at still doesn't have records of any Last Story shipments in their system. At this point, I have no faith whatsoever that my copy will even arrive tomorrow. Apparently, some other stores like Best Buy are starting to get their copies in, but I want my pre-order soundtrack; case; and art book so I'm kind of stuck with GameStop.
And if you're wondering why XSEED's incompetence in not ensuring the game was out on time bothers me, I recently loaned my Wii out to my best friend for 3 or so weeks. I went to a lot of trouble to make sure I had it back before Tuesday so I could play The Last Story (he's borrowing my 360 tomorrow instead). Now as it turns out, I could have left the Wii with my friend a whole extra week because XSEED couldn't make sure the game was out on store shelves on the release date. That's a week he could have spent finishing Final Fantasy 6, the Virtual Console game he was playing. *sigh*
EDIT: I just spoke with my local Gamestop after talking with some friends on Twitter, and they do have the pre-order soundtrack CDs. So if you don't want to take the chance of a GameStop employee "losing it" (or you just want something from the game you pre-ordered 2 days after the release date), you should be able to go in and pick yours up.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Enner on August 16, 2012, 03:23:21 PM
I ordered from Amazon and I haven't received a shipment confirmation on the 16th. It is frustrating as I'm excited for the game and this is a crummy way to start. I hope nothing really terrible has happened with manufacturing or shipping the game.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: noname2200 on August 16, 2012, 08:50:59 PM
I ordered from Amazon and I haven't received a shipment confirmation on the 16th. It is frustrating as I'm excited for the game and this is a crummy way to start. I hope nothing really terrible has happened with manufacturing or shipping the game.
Rumor has it Amazon's copies are going to be at least a week late. I didn't see any source on this rumor though, so grain o' salt and all that.
I do however now believe that XSEED may have bitten off more than their distribution channels can chew, though.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: n-phage on August 16, 2012, 09:05:50 PM
I got an email from Amazon this morning saying my copy has shipped. Looks like the rumor is false.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: noname2200 on August 16, 2012, 09:15:35 PM
Good to hear!
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Louieturkey on August 16, 2012, 09:39:38 PM
Yeah, I got one yesterday saying I was going to get it tomorrow from Amazon.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: noname2200 on August 16, 2012, 09:47:22 PM
I haven't gotten my e-mail yet, but I only rarely order from Amazon, and I ordered it fairly late, so maybe it's first come first served, and my copy comes later?
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: broodwars on August 16, 2012, 09:49:00 PM
I picked up my Last Story OST Sampler today, and shortly before received a text message from GameStop telling me that the game would be in the store at "Friday PM." My best friend and I are seeing Amazing Spider-Man around 1 PM, so hopefully while we're out and about the game will finally arrive.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: RedBlue on August 17, 2012, 12:16:10 AM
This afternoon I got an email from Amazon saying my order had shipped
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Evan_B on August 17, 2012, 01:09:57 AM
Got my gamestop text today. Heading out to pick up this glorious title tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 17, 2012, 03:31:12 PM
Got back from Gamestop earlier around 11 or so and haven't opened up the game because I am hosting my Mafia game but will likely play it this weekend when I take a break from hosting the game till Monday.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: broodwars on August 17, 2012, 05:35:14 PM
I picked up my copy earlier today, and after seeing a movie I managed to play through the tutorial area (I saved once I talked to all the folks in the pub). So far...well...I really, really hate to say this, but...well...the game kind of sucks so far. It feels like the game really wants to convey a sense of strategy and tactics in battle, but even with the combat set to manual it kind of feels like the battles are on auto-pilot. It's kind of amazing how many tutorials the game's thrown at me, yet without actually saying much of interest. I think the problem is that the game just throws the player into the story in media res, but holds back too much when it comes to the combat mechanics. "Rushed" seems to sum up the game so far. Xenoblade was much better at easing the player into the mechanics and gradually unlocking systems.
Hopefully the game will start unlocking more control over the combat system soon, as it's kind of hard to wrap my head around what's supposed to make this combat enjoyable so far. I've been looking forward to this game for a long time now, and I'd really like to get into it.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Lithium on August 17, 2012, 06:31:39 PM
got an email from amazon.ca saying the shipment was delayed to the 21st, guess it only affects Canada
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: vinniebrock on August 17, 2012, 09:17:55 PM
Got my copy a few hours ago :cool; Excite. Probably the second-to-last Wii game I buy (Kirby).
Anyone here played the MP / know what it's like? I'm kind of tempted to do it for Community Night, if it's fun.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Evan_B on August 18, 2012, 12:18:33 AM
I picked up my copy earlier today, and after seeing a movie I managed to play through the tutorial area (I saved once I talked to all the folks in the pub). So far...well...I really, really hate to say this, but...well...the game kind of sucks so far. It feels like the game really wants to convey a sense of strategy and tactics in battle, but even with the combat set to manual it kind of feels like the battles are on auto-pilot. It's kind of amazing how many tutorials the game's thrown at me, yet without actually saying much of interest. I think the problem is that the game just throws the player into the story in media res, but holds back too much when it comes to the combat mechanics. "Rushed" seems to sum up the game so far. Xenoblade was much better at easing the player into the mechanics and gradually unlocking systems.
Hopefully the game will start unlocking more control over the combat system soon, as it's kind of hard to wrap my head around what's supposed to make this combat enjoyable so far. I've been looking forward to this game for a long time now, and I'd really like to get into it.
Having finished beyond the tutorial and finally started the meat of the game, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the variety of combat. Upon learning Gale, things start getting more interesting.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Mannypon on August 18, 2012, 12:25:40 AM
Nice to hear. I've read mixed things about this game so I'm really looking foward to the feedback on this site. This game will be my next purchase as soon as I'm done with FF12.
Title: Re: Mistwalker's "The Last Story" coming to NA from XSEED around August 16th, 2012!
Post by: Evan_B on August 18, 2012, 03:41:50 AM
Yeah, actually I lied.
Gale is only the START of the game's awesomeness. Then you get the Command Function, which allows you to control your teammate's special abilities, and yes, the more you level your teammates up, the more abilities they unlock. You can order your team to head back to the nearest cure ring, or send a buttload of awesome moves your enemy's way.
The mix of party members keeps things fresh, as does the game's continuous spin on the battle mechanics. The boss battles are always unique, and feature different strategies for maximizing damage and being a bamf.
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU XSEED. I was very skeptical about the battle system in this game- I was worried I wouldn't take to it that kindly and, like broodwars, after going through the somewhat weak tutorial levels (the tutorial levels arguably go up to like, chapter 4), I still wasn't sure. But when the action starts and things begin to pick up, the game gets much more fun, and the locations do, as well. The warehouse in the tutorial is very dark and difficult to navigate, and I should also mention that most of the game's set pieces are a little compact in size- but that doesn't make them bad in any way. In fact, I really like how the game is so much smaller in scale and scope than say, Xenoblade. It makes you appreciate the really large areas much more, like the hub city, but also makes things way easier to explore and maneuver. I think someone may have mentioned this before, but where Xenoblade wows you with pure scope and magnitude in both features and geography, EVERYTHING in The Last Story is smaller but packed with intention. It all serves a purpose- from the stone pillars which are your cover, to the grinding circles for repeated encounters, and the spells that have vastly different effects, and the number of interesting equipment options.
Also, broodwars, you may find yourself going back to automatic attacks eventually, though in some boss battles and junk it's nice to be on manual. When there's a lot of enemies and time is short, I find myself planning the squad's actions and making sure they're covered with different button presses, and it's nice to just have the option of walking up and wailing.
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Post by: Enner on August 18, 2012, 05:36:41 PM
Finally, shipping confirmation for the 22nd! I guess this is what I get for choosing super saver shipping. Though, Xenoblade Chronicles came on the Saturday of the week of release.
Anyway, it seems that the beginning of the game is a slow start. I'll keep that in mind and adjust my expectations.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 18, 2012, 07:58:35 PM
Thanks, Evan, for that. It gets me excited to play this game. I may finally hook my Wii back up after all this time.
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Post by: Dan Laser on August 19, 2012, 06:23:45 PM
My EB (Canada) got the game in yesterday, though they never got the OST sampler preorder bonus :(. They said it still might show up but I have no idea how likely that really is - I will keep hoping.
It's going to be hard to not start this game as the discussion here gets more active! I gotta finish Skyward Sword and Xenoblade first, so really this slight delay didn't affect me much other than worsen my backlog.
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Post by: NeoStar9X on August 19, 2012, 06:25:29 PM
Ordering from NewEgg allowed me to get my copy on Friday. Haven't put much time into the game though.
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Post by: Evan_B on August 21, 2012, 01:28:16 AM
You know, I thought I was doing pretty well with this game- I was enjoying it and everything. And then it got a parry attack that's used for a very important boss fight and I became very upset.
I don't like parry buttons in RPGs.
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Post by: Enner on August 21, 2012, 11:21:28 PM
Huzzah! My copy came in a day earlier than expectations. The premium case and art book are nice. The premium soundtrack with a selection of seven tracks less nice.
I spent my first two and a half hours getting to the city and trying out the first round of the arena. The reportedly dodgy frame rate lives up to the complaints of read. It really chugged during a battle when I decided to hang out in a friendly circle of fire while whacking at an enemy. Outside of battles, it isn't smooth. Something to get used to. The textures and environments don't hold up well with the many close ups and drab first dungeon. My cousin remarked how bad and then how old the first area looked. I think it looks fine considering the platform the game is on.
The battle system has been alright so far though it is very hectic. Similar to my experience with watching World of Warcraft player versus player, DOTA, and playing Xenoblade, it is difficult to get a grasp of what is happening beyond hitting the 'a' button and watching the life bar of the thing in front of your character deplete. Strategy, outside of cinematic moments, has been simple so far of drawing aggression, breaking the enemies' holy trinity (tank, DPS, & healer), and protecting your party's trinity.
The English localization and voice overs have been enjoyable so far.
Eager to get back in as I really want to play with the battle mechanics detailed in the manual that I have yet to obtain.
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Post by: Evan_B on August 22, 2012, 02:13:42 AM
Once to do uncover those new mechanics, the game's quality skyrockets.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 22, 2012, 08:19:59 PM
Nah. It's gonna stay abysmal. If you can hold off on playing until the Wii U comes out, though, you won't have those problems.
Hmm...Well, it depends on how the game is coded and how the Wii U runs Wii games. If it's like how the Wii treated GameCube discs as if it was a GameCube, the Wii U may not allocate extra resources to run Wii games. And even if it does, the old code may not be optimized to run on Wii U, so issues may occur. Hopefully it does run better on a more powerful console, though.
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Post by: broodwars on August 24, 2012, 01:53:36 AM
Well, I finally picked up the game today determined to make some more progress on it before we recorded Episode 3 of NFR, and I'm glad I did. I'm now in Chapter 5, and I'm liking the game a lot more now, despite how terrible many aspects of the main town portion of the game are. I'm sorry, but that town is ugly, and it's sheer amateur hour that the map does not mark the distinct sections of the town for quick reference. To make matters even worse, there's no quest log. At all. Nor are there any markers on the map for sidequest characters so you can find them easily again. Shops just have a generic "shop" icon on the map, so unless you memorize the layout prepare to lose track of what stores are where. Early on, it also wasn't clear exactly what I had to do to advance the plot until I happened to wander into the location-specific trigger just wandering through the won.
There's also this really strange and tacked-on item mini-game in the town where you get these "random item encounters" of sorts running around the streets. You get prompted to quickly scan for the item, and if you grab it in time another will pop up within the nearby vicinity, and so on. Get up to 5 items in a row, and you get a higher-quality item typically used in weapon/armor upgrading. This mini-game really draws attention, though, to how badly the crossbow is integrated into the game, since you can't move while in the 1st person perspective.
Thankfully, once you unlock a few abilities for Zael, combat opens up a fair amount since you can then take advantage of surprise attacks and magic field neutralization. Unfortunately, the crossbow still feels kind of useless since (even with all the upgrades I dumped on it for doing all the item mini-games, which I also used on my armor) once you're in that 1st person perspective it's really hard to tell enemies apart and the crossbow seems to do very little damage. When the combat works, though, it's an interesting mixture of something akin to Mass Effect and something akin to Assassin's Creed.
I'm really liking how the game does its storytelling, too, with the whole "chapter" system. The way cutscenes flow into each other reminds me (oddly enough) of Mortal Kombat's story mode or Assassin's Creed. In fact, the sequence where you meet Lisa reminded me a LOT of Assassin's Creed 2 for various reasons. The cast overall seems to have a good chemistry, and I enjoy their interactions with each other. I'm not terribly fond of Princess Jasmine Lisa so far, though. She's easily the least interesting character in the game so far, though like everyone else she's well-acted. I can see some Final Fantasy XIII influence in the way the party structure is handled, too.
So yeah, it took me a good 4 hours and a lot of experimenting, but the game's finally starting to grow on me despite having quite a few shockingly amateurish mistakes in the execution of certain systems. I just wish the game had been interesting from the start because those opening 3 chapters were terrible.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
The first 4 chapters are the tutorial chapters I find. I think I am up to the 18th chapter now and it is really fun. The bowgun is at first initially weak but it does have a nice stagger on the foe which you can have fun with. I find that if you focus more on the weapon upgrades instead of armor you can use the area to you advantage to compensate for the lack of defense. Also the bow gun is great behind cover and as support. There is many types of shots it can fire and I usually check the foe to see what is effective.
I did the first 4 chapters in about 2 hours because I guess I focused more on melee and arena then doing random things. I sure explored the city and all the shops and such but it was more of a scan of the city and not really a full overview because I figured I would be back there.
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Post by: Evan_B on August 24, 2012, 03:37:11 PM
Broodwars, the only thing I can say about the town is that the item grinding only works for certain items and others are virtually unobtainable unless you grind in certain spots on battlefields... And that the map and quest log didn't really bother me that much, if only because there's so few quests to really keep track of in the game, and you quickly become familiar enough with the town that you know where everything is. I just found it nice to go about my own way and figure out what I needed to get and where it was.
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Post by: Enner on August 25, 2012, 09:33:36 PM
I find the city an impressive feat considering technical limitations. However, that doesn't excuse it from looking muddy and straight-edged. The mini-map and expanded mini-map could use more detail. As for finding where you need to go, going to the map in the menu will bring up a map with a fast travel feature that brings you straight to points of interest.
Sadly, I don't recall shops being marked on the menu map either. That doesn't seem to be as much of a problem as it could be as the important shops ( Weapons & equipment, upgrading, dyes, and archery ) are easily located near the tavern. Also as I'm progressing through the game (up to Chapter 8 or 9) I'm finding that the game gives you plenty of opportunities and NPCs to at least purchase or upgrade weapons & equipment.
I'm liking the game so far but I have doubts if it will hold up. Maybe the inconsistent frame rate is unfairly shaking my resolve, but the game doesn't feel as solidly built and polished as Xenoblade Chronicles. The frantic pace of the battles make me long for the hybrid system of Valkyria Chronicles where time is paused in order to take in a strategic big picture. I hope once I unlock the Command ability, I will get what I desire. Also, I'm probably being harsh to the game after failing repeatedly to pull off several Gathering-to-Hide-to-Slash during a particular encounter.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2012, 12:10:18 AM
Just bought the game tonight. I managed to get a Limited Edition copy with the soundtrack.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 26, 2012, 12:14:01 AM
I am up to the 20th chapter of the game and it does have the opportunity to have the mix of the action and strategic game that you are looking for Enner. You get the command ability fairly early on and it opens the combat even more and as your team levels up the combat opens up even more. The game can be a mix of being a action melee game,stealth, strategy and teamwork RPG.All my party is up in the mid 20's now level wise. Who know what else will open up as I level up gameplay wise.
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Post by: Evan_B on August 26, 2012, 11:42:32 AM
Spirit Breaks.
They are awesome.
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Post by: noname2200 on August 26, 2012, 02:46:56 PM
Haven't had a chance to play it yet, but props to XSEED on the packaging. The set looks nice.
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Post by: Mannypon on August 28, 2012, 03:07:54 AM
Quick question to those who have it. I'm reading alot of complaints about the camera. Is this when using the Nunchuck? and is this issue resolved if you use the classic controller with the second analog stick? I figured that if your using the classic controller then the game should give you camera control with the second stick.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on August 28, 2012, 03:26:31 AM
From reading the review on the site here it doesn't look like it it has to do with what controller you use. It mainly has to do with the camera getting stuck in tight areas but I personally haven't had any problem with the camera. I use the Nunchuck. With the nunchuck you use the D pad on the Wii remote to move the camera left and right. Only reason I am using it is because that is the way I decided to play the game from the start plain and simple.
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Post by: Enner on August 28, 2012, 06:42:05 AM
Camera control with the right stick of the classic controller doesn't help much as the rotation speed can be slow in some situations. Most of the time, hitting the guard button to center the camera to the nearest enemy is far more useful than manually jostling the camera stick.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2012, 11:56:20 AM
I've yet to have a problem with the camera. :(
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Post by: Evan_B on August 28, 2012, 12:07:09 PM
The only weak point I can see with this game are its relatively shallow and boring opening chapters, but only in terms of skirmish layout. Story-wise, the characters are captivating and the opening chapters do what they have to do. The battles are just nowhere near as good as the eventual skirmishes- and I don't think it's fair to judge how weak the opening of a game is in comparison to the end.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2012, 12:11:03 PM
The thing is, a good game should have a strong opening, middle, and end. The Last Story's ending could be the best in history, but if the rest of the game's plot is mindnumbingly bad, why should I put myself through it?
(Disclaimer: I don't actually believe that the game is bad, or that the ending is the best thing ever. It was hypothetical.)
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Post by: Evan_B on August 28, 2012, 12:58:45 PM
I think the game takes it a little slow in introducing its battle system, but there's nothing wrong with that. I personally wish you had Gale BEFORE the fight with the huge thing in the warehouse, but I guess it was necessary to learn about the whole stealth slash thing. I honestly felt a little unstable about the battle system after its opening and I wish the command function had been introduced earlier as it could have saved some time, but I still think that lengthy tutorial was necessary in order to transition into the battle system.
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Post by: broodwars on August 28, 2012, 05:15:35 PM
I think the game takes it a little slow in introducing its battle system, but there's nothing wrong with that. I personally wish you had Gale BEFORE the fight with the huge thing in the warehouse
You could, and I did. You just had to grind a little bit by visiting the Arena and using your gathering ability a few times in the early chapters at the end of fights to restart them. I had both Slash and Gale by the time I broke into the warehouse in Ch. 7.
And the opening 3 chapters are pretty inexcusably badly executed. It's Final Fantasy XIII all over again, where the developers were so proud of their combat system they thought their audience was too stupid to understand it unless it was introduced extremely slowly.
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Post by: Evan_B on August 28, 2012, 05:27:42 PM
Oh. Well, how about that?
I wouldn't say they were poorly executed. They showed off the basic parts of the combat system. Considering it's kinda hard to show how the battle system works via info booklet, they did well in introducing that stuff.
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Post by: Mannypon on August 29, 2012, 02:25:47 AM
You guys are killing me lol. I'm dieing to play this game but I want to get FF12 over with first (damn my uncontrollable desire to complete all the hunts :/. I can probably beat the game in 2 long nights but the hunts are nagging at me)
For those that have played this and Last Odyssey, how do the stories and characters compare? I loved Lost Odyssey and consider it to be Mistwalker's best game yet.
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Post by: broodwars on August 30, 2012, 12:55:33 AM
You guys are killing me lol. I'm dieing to play this game but I want to get FF12 over with first (damn my uncontrollable desire to complete all the hunts :/.
Dude, seriously, stop. It's really not worth it, especially the final hunt against Yazmat (which I attempted, but even with a maxed-out party he kicked my ass at the last minute). If you still somehow enjoy that terrible game, the hunts will kill any joy you have left in the experience. It did for me. Just finish the game, enjoy the anti-climactic final boss and lackluster ending, and put the game to rest.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 30, 2012, 01:09:37 AM
For once, I agree with Brandogg. The game sucks. I couldn't even finish it.
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Post by: Louieturkey on August 30, 2012, 03:07:55 PM
For once, I agree with Brandogg. The game sucks. I couldn't even finish it.
What did Brandogg say?
Edit: I'm guessing you meant broodwars. ;)
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Post by: Oblivion on August 30, 2012, 04:23:53 PM
Yes, that's what I meant. I always **** up their names.
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Post by: Mannypon on September 01, 2012, 03:35:31 AM
Well I guess I'm in the minority here as I think FF12 is the best FF since 6 but that's a discussion for another thread.
As for Last Story, is not having a quest log becoming a problem for any of you playing the game? That was one of the complaints I've read about that concerned me. Everything else though I think won't bother me much as I've played worse rpgs and have enjoyed them very much.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on September 01, 2012, 06:17:09 AM
The chapters are long enough that you don't get lost and straight forward that you don't need to worry about forgetting where you were at. Also the NPC's keep track of what you have to do with side quests so you just have to go back to the NPC to get a reminder.
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Post by: Evan_B on September 01, 2012, 08:41:40 AM
Personally, the game isn't bogged down with sidequests, and every NPC that does have done is pretty static, so they won't run off at random times like in Xenoblade. For the few sidequests there are, you can always check back with the NPC who gave it to you, and they're pretty easy to remember, IMO.
Look, I know i sound horribly biased, but even after coming off Xenoblade, which is like, officially one of my favorite RPGs of all time, I enjoyed the crap out of this game because it does what it does really well and in a streamlined manner.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 01, 2012, 12:05:45 PM
What should be streamlined is the framerate. Which it isn't.
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Post by: Evan_B on September 01, 2012, 04:34:05 PM
I don't let framerate muck up my gaming experience, sorry. :(
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Post by: Mannypon on September 03, 2012, 01:17:56 AM
I don't let framerate muck up my gaming experience, sorry. :(
Same here, if I can stomach Two Worlds on the 360 and get anjoyment out of it, I doubt whatever framerate issues present here will bother me much.
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Post by: Lithium on September 03, 2012, 12:11:31 PM
im playing this on the dolphin emulator because playing wii on my 50 inch plasma makes me cry (yes i legally own the game, seriously (http://i.imgur.com/anuhV.jpg))
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Post by: Oblivion on September 03, 2012, 12:32:20 PM
Ew, a plasma TV? You poor guy? In all seriousness, how good does your PC have to be to run it?
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Post by: Lithium on September 03, 2012, 12:42:01 PM
Ew, a plasma TV? You poor guy? In all seriousness, how good does your PC have to be to run it?
well the dolphin emulator is pretty processor intensive (the dolphin emulator supports dual cores), but im running this on my 2005 gaming PC which i turned into a HTPC so by today's standards i think if your computer is relatively new it would be able to run it at a decent framerate so long as your processor and graphics card are decent. The dolphin emulator lets you run it at the original wii resolution and the difference is night and day once you bump up the settings a bit to 720, turn on anti aliasing etc etc.. Although if you want to run it at max settings at 60 fps you'll probably need a new-ish gaming PC
I have my HDTV hooked up as monitor 2 so i can still play it on my couch (Dolphin emulator supports wii controllers) :D here's to hoping that the wiiU backwards compatability lets you touch up wii games like the dolphin emulator can
here's how the game looks in 1080p (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0aRMfcUWgI&feature=player_detailpage#t=178s)
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Post by: Mannypon on September 03, 2012, 11:30:39 PM
I was thinking of doing the same thing but I heard LS is one of the more difficult Wii games to emulate on Dolphin. I have a amd 960t black edition and from what I've read online, they say that won't be enough to run it smoothly but I'm not too sure what settings everyone was referencing. If I can get the game to run at 720p then I'll be set. I just did my FF12 runthrough on an emulator at HD resolutions and it made the game rival some of today's rpgs. From the screenshots I've seen of LS on Dolphin, I can say the game looks amazing IMO.
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Post by: Lithium on September 04, 2012, 01:05:39 PM
i think you'll be fine although dolphin would only be able to use 2 of the cores, just start with 720p with no AA or any other special settings and then work your way up. when you get it up and running go to the graphics option and click on the hacks tab then turn EFB copies to RAM or else the clothing textures wont render properly on the last story
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Post by: Oblivion on September 04, 2012, 05:11:10 PM
Well, I beat the game.
I really didn't like it. The combat was fun, but I don't like how manual makes you really weak, but automatic makes you really slow. The game and story were just... meh-tastic.
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Post by: broodwars on September 04, 2012, 05:18:01 PM
I really didn't like it. The combat was fun, but I don't like how manual makes you really weak, but automatic makes you really slow. The game and story were just... meh-tastic.
Yeah, to be honest I've had trouble these last few weeks garnering up the interest to jump back in. I want to, but there have just been too many other interesting things devouring my time lately (namely a couple of HD games and some HD TV shows. I hope to get back in and see the rest of the game for myself sometime this coming week.
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Post by: Enner on September 04, 2012, 06:02:37 PM
I really didn't like it. The combat was fun, but I don't like how manual makes you really weak, but automatic makes you really slow. The game and story were just... meh-tastic.
That's a shame. Think you're gonna trade it in?
I'm playing the game at a steady pace, doing a lot of the side activities and side chapters. I have no doubt that I have spent more time messing with the dye and armor customization than I should reasonably should. I must have a cool and different color palette for each character!
The combat is entertaining but still a mess. I feel that I have over leveled and am doing the game a disservice. I enjoy the characters, but the grand plot has yet to thrill or excite me.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 04, 2012, 06:51:56 PM
I probably won't trade it in, simply because I know that I will probably never be able to find it again. I may play it again someday and find more pleasure in it. Right now, not so much.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 04, 2012, 07:43:22 PM
Plasma TVs have their pros and cons. They can handle deeper shades of black, for example. They are a very poor choice for video games, though... especially if you leave a game paused, because Plasma TVs can potentially have images burned into the screen and then they are junk. This was the reason why screensavers were invented.
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Post by: Lithium on September 04, 2012, 11:53:27 PM
Plasma TVs have their pros and cons. They can handle deeper shades of black, for example. They are a very poor choice for video games, though... especially if you leave a game paused, because Plasma TVs can potentially have images burned into the screen and then they are junk. This was the reason why screensavers were invented.
i think he was joking because i was clearly talking about playing a wii on an HD set
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Post by: Oblivion on September 05, 2012, 01:29:41 AM
Yes, I was kidding.
The biggest disappointment of the game was the music. Man, it looks like Nobuo has lost his edge. Both him and Shimoura are my two favorite Video Game Composers (Shimoura did the Kingdom Hearts series) and I always thought Nobuo was superior. Not anymore.
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Post by: Evan_B on September 05, 2012, 07:56:54 AM
Seriously? I thought the music was lovely. To each his own, I guess.
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Post by: ejamer on September 05, 2012, 08:41:51 AM
I found that the music grew on me. Didn't leave a good impression at first, but was more enjoyable over time.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 05, 2012, 02:25:10 PM
Plasma TVs have their pros and cons. They can handle deeper shades of black, for example. They are a very poor choice for video games, though... especially if you leave a game paused, because Plasma TVs can potentially have images burned into the screen and then they are junk. This was the reason why screensavers were invented.
Old wives tale. Plasmas made from about 2005 on rarely have this burn in problem anymore unless you left it on and on pause for 100 straight hours. As long as you're not exclusively watching 4:3 material (and if that is the case, then why did you buy the 16:9 tv then?), a plasma will be just fine.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 05, 2012, 04:35:49 PM
Except for the fact that they still don't last very long.
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Post by: Lithium on September 05, 2012, 07:54:54 PM
Plasma TVs have their pros and cons. They can handle deeper shades of black, for example. They are a very poor choice for video games, though... especially if you leave a game paused, because Plasma TVs can potentially have images burned into the screen and then they are junk. This was the reason why screensavers were invented.
Old wives tale. Plasmas made from about 2005 on rarely have this burn in problem anymore unless you left it on and on pause for 100 straight hours. As long as you're not exclusively watching 4:3 material (and if that is the case, then why did you buy the 16:9 tv then?), a plasma will be just fine.
yeah i didn't bother to mention that because it almost always begins a pointless lcd vs plasma argument
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Post by: Sarail on September 05, 2012, 09:10:53 PM
I love my 32" Sharp Aquos. Been treating me well since 2006. It hates Wii and 'Cube games, though. ;)
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 06, 2012, 01:39:39 PM
Except for the fact that they still don't last very long.
Depends on how well you treat it. If you leave it on all day and all night, it probably won't last you very long. If you only have it on when you're actually watching something, it'll probably last you a good while. I don't know the estimated lifespan for every tv, but most outside of projection tvs and projectors usually say they last at least 20,000 hours. Yes, CRT and tube tvs probably last longer. But the picture quality of tubes isn't anything to write home about and CRT's don't get big enough for most big (screen size that is, the weight of those things is usually the size of a small airplane). It's really a give and take. Do you give up the deep blacks of a CRT (not giving up much with a plasma) for the convenience of not getting a hernia each time you need to move the tv? There are other pros and cons as well.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 06, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
What about LED TVs? Any good? They seem all the rage in them 'lectronical stores these days.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 06, 2012, 02:14:33 PM
LED TVs are LCD TVs with a different way to make the picture. If I remember, it uses a high tech version of a backlight. Don't quote me on that last part though.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 06, 2012, 02:22:41 PM
LED TVs are LCD TVs with a different way to make the picture. If I remember, it uses a high tech version of a backlight. Don't quote me on that last part though.
Uh...so that's....good? No, wait, bad? Not bad?
Its very confusing for the average shmuck like me to tell what sort of swell TV to get without doing hours and hours of research. Even then, I don't understand half of the tech-speak on enthusiast websites that keep track of this stuff.
I want a huge-ass TV (57" to 60") that plays both Blu-Rays and games well, with pretty HD and no lag. I want enough inputs so all my favourite devices will plug into the damn thing. And I don't want to pay more than, say, $1800. Why, Lord, is it so hard?
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 06, 2012, 05:30:07 PM
What about LED TVs? Any good? They seem all the rage in them 'lectronical stores these days.
LED is more used for marketing than anything else. LED is how the tv is lit. Before LEDs (light emitting diodes), most LCD tvs used CCFL bulbs (cold-cathode fluorescent lamps) to light the tv. The problems with those had more to do with the way we saw the light on our end and the power that they used to do what they did. LED lighting uses less power and allows slightly better black levels as well.
For what type you want to get, most tvs will play blurays and games well at 57"-60". Whether you want plasma or LED lit LCD tvs is up to preferences and where you are putting the tv. If you have a room that gets a lot of light, you probably want the LCD tv with LED lighting as there won't be glass for any glare. If the room light can be controlled, plasma is probably the best option. I highly suggest Panasonic as they are the only ones still advancing the plasma tech (though you may not find a Panasonic plasma at the size you want for the price you want). I did a little more research and most plasmas and lcd tvs are rated at 60,000 life hours.
For more detailed differences between the two techs, I'd suggest reading this page (http://nicholasnicoletti.blogspot.com/2012/02/plasma-vs-lcd-vs-led.html). The writer does an amazing job of giving you good information and it's pretty unbiased as well.
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Post by: Lithium on September 06, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
If you have a room that gets a lot of light, you probably want the LCD tv with LED lighting as there won't be glass for any glare. If the room light can be controlled, plasma is probably the best option. I highly suggest Panasonic as they are the only ones still advancing the plasma tech (though you may not find a Panasonic plasma at the size you want for the price you want). I did a little more research and most plasmas and lcd tvs are rated at 60,000 life hours.
For more detailed differences between the two techs, I'd suggest reading this page (http://nicholasnicoletti.blogspot.com/2012/02/plasma-vs-lcd-vs-led.html). The writer does an amazing job of giving you good information and it's pretty unbiased as well.
that pretty much sums it up, if you get overwhelmed by the techno babble that paragraph is pretty much all you need to know when deciding which TV technology to use. i live in a basement suite so i decided that i could take advantage of a plasma's black levels. HDTV are getting cheaper and cheaper all the time, my TV (samsung d550 (http://www.samsung.com/ie/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/plasma-tv/PS51D550C1KXXU)) cost me about $700 CAD
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 06, 2012, 06:03:03 PM
If you have a room that gets a lot of light, you probably want the LCD tv with LED lighting as there won't be glass for any glare. If the room light can be controlled, plasma is probably the best option. I highly suggest Panasonic as they are the only ones still advancing the plasma tech (though you may not find a Panasonic plasma at the size you want for the price you want). I did a little more research and most plasmas and lcd tvs are rated at 60,000 life hours.
For more detailed differences between the two techs, I'd suggest reading this page (http://nicholasnicoletti.blogspot.com/2012/02/plasma-vs-lcd-vs-led.html). The writer does an amazing job of giving you good information and it's pretty unbiased as well.
that pretty much sums it up, i live in a basement suite so i decided that i could take advantage of a plasma's black levels. HDTV are getting cheaper and cheaper all the time, my TV (samsung d550 (http://www.samsung.com/ie/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/plasma-tv/PS51D550C1KXXU)) cost me about $700 CAD
Nice price. One of these days, I'm going to upgrade my Sony KDS-50A2000 rear projection tv to a plasma most likely. Or if OLED tvs come down in price some day, I might splurge for one of those.
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Post by: Enner on September 07, 2012, 07:02:04 AM
Hit the 27+ hour mark and I just played through chapter 30: An extraterrestrial world seed! I should have made the connection with the words "Outsider" and "Ritual for Celestial Summoning" being thrown around. During the relevant cut scene, I thought I was playing Xenoblade Chronicles again.
The story and the game have been in a slump for the last couple of chapters. Things aren't helped by chapters that are short, easy, or uneventful. I've been trying to put a finger on why The Last Story hasn't been engaging me as much as Xenoblade Chronicles. One, the combat has been simple with encounters easy or relying on a single trick. The characters are nice, but I don't feel any familiarity since I haven't delved in to their backgrounds yet and that they seem interchangeable in combat. In contrast with Xenoblade, I became very familiar with each character through their different battle skills and heat-to-heart dialogues. The plot thus far hasn't developed a strong main thread that I'm really invested in. Instead, there 3-5 loosely strung threads that I have varying degrees of mild interest in.
I have hopes that the story will pick up in the next couple of chapters as I feel some big changes are ahead.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on September 07, 2012, 11:44:05 AM
@Louieturkey, Lithium: thank you.
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Post by: Evan_B on September 07, 2012, 02:08:03 PM
I guess I'm just an idiot for loving this game, then.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 07, 2012, 02:26:51 PM
I guess I'm just an idiot for loving this game, then.
Not an idiot. Everyone has different tastes. Most people are comparing the game to Xenoblade which seems to be the game that most people have chosen as superior. Maybe if Last Story had been released here first, it may have gotten a fairer shake, but that wasn't the way the cards fell.
With that, I know I'm playing Last Story before Xenoblade just because I want a less biased opinion about the game. I don't want to be comparing it to Xenoblade as I play. :)
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Post by: Evan_B on September 07, 2012, 02:38:36 PM
I think there's no comparing the two. Xenoblade does what it does extremely well, but the Last Story is also very good at making sure everything it does is necessary- that means not a lot of it is superfluous and expanse, but that's not really a bad thing.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 07, 2012, 04:12:23 PM
I wasn't really comparing the two, I just don't think The Last Story lives up to a lot of RPGs I've played. I mean, it's very good for what it tries to be, but no cigar.
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Post by: Louieturkey on September 07, 2012, 04:55:16 PM
I wasn't really comparing the two, I just don't think The Last Story lives up to a lot of RPGs I've played. I mean, it's very good for what it tries to be, but no cigar.
You weren't trying to compare them? (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=38922.0)
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Post by: Oblivion on September 07, 2012, 05:08:03 PM
Not at all.
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Post by: broodwars on September 08, 2012, 02:02:28 PM
I've reached Chapter 10 and have unlocked the "Command Mode" ability. So far, I'm pretty underwhelmed. The level of actual "strategy" in this game is pitifully low. So far, I've won pretty much every battle by just turning on Gathering, running past the outer defenders, slaughtering their mages, and then turning around for clean-up. And besides seemingly being pretty unnecessary for a game this easy, Command Mode also seems pretty useless since you can only issue commands to your AI teammates. You can't order them to move to a different location, and it doesn't look like you can aim their spells/pick their targets either. So yeah, after all the build-up the game's been doing about how strategic you'd have to play as it went on, so far the combat's been pretty lame and Command Mode just seems to make it more so.
As for the love of all that is holy, ENOUGH with the pointless; obnoxious; and time-wasting pixel hunts between cutscenes. Just use a cutscene and get it over with. There are certainly enough of them as it is, so what's a few dozen more if it keeps the game moving?
And WTF is up with having to catch 3 "lucky frogs" so my character can learn how to jump into water (especially after he'd already done that as part of the story?)? :Q
I did have to smirk, though, when Gannondorf suddenly stormed into the game. ;)
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Post by: Evan_B on September 08, 2012, 07:33:52 PM
Dude, you can aim spells at targets and cause partners to retreat, and using spell aims in conjunction with your spell break ability will help with bosses a lot later.
The game introduces some of its best mechanics as you get deeper into the story, which may be unfortunate for you but was awesome for me. Pace yourself, and don't freak out about the frogs- because you're so not ready to tackle that dungeon anyway.
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Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2012, 08:48:27 PM
Evan is right, you can aim your spells and all that other ****. Maybe pay more attention to the tutorials?
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Post by: Enner on September 09, 2012, 01:31:55 AM
I guess I'm just an idiot for loving this game, then.
Don't be so down on yourself. While I was being harsh to the game up there, I am finding the game enjoyable overall. It's just that the game has had some slumps for me in the middle of it. I've played to 31+ hours and have fought some really fun battles. Granted, they relied on one or two tricks, but their presentation has put them above the usual battle. Also, having the 2X skill meter gain makes three particular fights much more manageable.
I just wish the story developed particular characters more. I would love a few side chapters focusing on Syrenne and Lowell but they are absent so far. It's a shame since what's already there I enjoy.
As for the love of all that is holy, ENOUGH with the pointless; obnoxious; and time-wasting pixel hunts between cutscenes. Just use a cutscene and get it over with. There are certainly enough of them as it is, so what's a few dozen more if it keeps the game moving?
And WTF is up with having to catch 3 "lucky frogs" so my character can learn how to jump into water (especially after he'd already done that as part of the story?)? :Q
Compared to Metroid: Other M, I am enjoying those pixel-hunting moments of The Last Story. They help draw attention to the details of the world. What you're looking for is usually obvious, but it doesn't hurt that the cursor eventually points you in the right direction.
The frog thing is weird and shameful side-activity padding. Didn't stop me from doing it or picking up multiple chains of shiny objects off the streets.
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Post by: Enner on September 09, 2012, 11:12:04 PM
And at the 35 hour mark, the three-phase final boss of The Last Story (Wii) goes down! However, the game wasn't finished yet as the epilogue contains multiple chapters that had me waiting until the 38 hour mark to see the credits. Adding to these time shenanigans, checking in with the Nintendo channel reveals a count of 41 hours. I did not know I spent so much time idling on the title screen, reloading saves, or getting past a point where I got a game over.
The game was good, but it could have been much more.
The combat showed some challenge late in the game but not much. The majority of the battles don't have much depth beyond using Gathering to draw enemy aggression, taking out healers and ranged enemies first, and then mopping up the rest. While the tactical options offered by Gale and diffusing magic circles are quite useful, all too often it is easy enough to whack away at an enemy even if it has a guard up. Boss encounters can be on the other end of the difficulty spectrum where their large health bars and supremely damaging attacks are overcome by the one trick the game wants you to do again and again at that phase of the boss. Finally, even with the Command mode, there aren't enough combat options to consider in a typical battle.
While the battle system has its shortcomings, it is still a great moment to diffuse a fire magic circle to break the guard of the enemy then dispose of them. Mistwalker has the beginning of a great combat system. It just needs to pace the fights to be less hectic, provide more skills and commands, and balance the difficulty better.
The story plays out in the save-the-world manner typical of the genre; there's nothing surprising or offensive. The characters are a fun lot and it's a shame that the game doesn't develop them a bit more than it already does. Because of the lack of development, several character moments in the climax of the game fall flat in varying degrees. The lengthy epilogue helps in providing closure which is very welcome given how the previous chapter twists and turns. Lastly, the narrator is a great example of telling rather than showing.
The sound and music have appropriate slashes and beats. It is a shame that the game couldn't afford to have more orchestration. The visuals and graphics are surprisingly detailed and suffer from frequent slow down (especially in the late game where you can have several characters and effects on the field).
The Last Story is a game I like that I wanted to love. Despite my disappointments with the game, I really enjoy the adventure it offers. Now, onward to upgrading the last of my armor sets and taking a peek at what New Game + offers.
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Post by: broodwars on September 09, 2012, 11:28:22 PM
From the looks of it, my final thoughts on The Last Story, Enner, will probably mirror your own when I eventually finish the game. I don't hate the game, but I don't love it either. There are just so many problems that feel like they could have been easily remedied had Mistwalker put a little more time and play-testing into the game. Still, it's an interesting game and I'm glad we got it eventually. In the end, however, it's pretty obvious which of the 3 Operation Rainfall games was the strongest (Xenoblade), though I'm hoping that Pandora's Tower still has a worthwhile experience to offer once I eventually import it.
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Post by: Evan_B on September 10, 2012, 12:57:39 AM
Well, going back to final thoughts of the game, I played the crap out of Xenoblade- and don't get me wrong, I love Xenoblade and all that it does because what it does is just pure fun. I wasn't even totally sure of the Last Story when I first picked it up, especially after playing Xenoblade. But I really liked the Last Story because it was so different from Xenoblade, and told such a confined, enjoyable, and grounded narrative- it's not a grand RPG in the sense that huge things are happening. You're playing as this guy whose hidden power isn't earth-shattering- in combat, it doesn't really do that much- but it factors into the gameplay so heavily. Really, there's a number of ways to complete every battle and finding shortcuts within them is always a cool thing to do. But I found commanding the battles to be fun, and what's more, I found the bosses to be amazing. Seriously, pretty much every boss fight in the game was really fun because they used the battle mechanics in a number of different ways. I enjoyed that a lot, and I also think that the battle system shows a lot of promise and wasn't utilized fully in the game- but towards the later sections, when magic walls and barriers come into play, that's when the game becomes more like "real-time chess" and less like a hack-and-slash. Even when it is hack-and-slash, it can still be fun with all the options you have available, like parrying, dodging, Spirit Breaks, using the Gathering Break, and more...
I guess I went into the game very skeptical but was extremely pleased. I guess that's what's odd- I came to this topic gushing and I may have gotten people's hopes up, when I had low expectations first going in. I like it because it's a very different RPG that has a lot of charm to it- in the character banter, in the tight environments, and in the memorable boss encounters. Honestly, if you're going to do New Game+, do it because you loved the bosses. The enemies don't get much tougher, but the bosses get a severe boost in power, which makes them all the more memorable- and they're the memorable parts. Also, play online as a couple different characters and you may get more of an appreciation for the battle system.
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Post by: Enner on September 10, 2012, 06:58:20 AM
I did play a bit of online co-op early on out of curiosity. It was neat to play as Calista, Mirania, and other characters, though I had no chance against the high-leveled bosses. The parts in the story where you control other characters are really fun and I wish there were more of them. I can't imagine many people are playing the game's online multiplayer offerings. Still, it is fun to mess around with the voice samples in the multiplayer's communication menus. There are over 7000 sound bytes to sample!
I managed to upgrade the Dragon armor set to the maximum level and I love how ridiculous it looks. I played a bit of New Game + and I'm slightly disappointed that only the bosses match the player level.
I didn't know what to expect out of The Last Story when I first started playing it. All I heard was that many preferred Xenoblade Chronicles, a game that I let take me on its journey for 200 hours, after playing both. Adding to that, Mistwalker had lukewarm reactions to its previous big RPGs. In the first few hours of The Last Story, I enjoyed the detailed world and real-time battles.
To The Last Story's detriment, I had Valkyria Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles, two games I absolutely adore, on my mind as I was playing. The Last Story's hybrid system of real-time and paused-time battles does not match the strategic and tactical depth Valkyria Chronicles offers with its vastly different system. The world building and overall execution of Xenoblade Chronicles dwarfs The Last Story. The characters of The Last Story are great fun to have in your party and have some depth to them (though not enough). I admit it isn't fair to compare the three games against each other, especially so with Valkyria Chronicles.
To reiterate broodwars' thoughts, it is clear that Mistwalker has something with great potential in The Last Story. It is a shame that the game doesn't fully realize the potential it opens. However, that doesn't stop The Last Story from being a worthwhile adventure.
Here's to hoping The Last Story 2 (or spiritual successor) will be a revelation on the level of Assassin's Creed 2.
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Post by: ymeegod on October 16, 2012, 12:03:09 AM
Finally gotten around to playing this game (reached chapter 30 now) and it's starting to "grow" on me even though the game is nonpolished--lots of good ideas but the developers really needed another year to fix a few issues.
For one, why couldn't I use the WII remote as a pointer? First generation of wii games I let it slide but this is 6 years later and this game was built ground up for the WII and it didn't use any of the motion controls/IR pointer for anything? Disappointing.
Two, autoattack? You character automattically attacks any enemy within range (unless he's hiding) but there's times when it fails (like when you're trying to retreat yet your character continues to attack). I guess there's an option to turn it off which I just looked up.
Three, you mostly play as one character in the single player mode. In the begining of the game you switched characters within the first few minutes but for the rest of the game 90% of the time you're playing just as Zael. If you play in multiplayer mode you can pick what character you want. Another disappointment.
Mystwalker had some neat ideas for their first attempt at real time RPG but I really can't recommend this one over the other Wii RPG, Xenoblade.
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Post by: Evan_B on October 16, 2012, 02:48:23 AM
I wouldn't recommend it over Xenoblade in any way, but it's a nice RPG that compliments it. Everything Xenoblade does, the Last Story does in the opposite way, at least, in scope, storytelling, character emphasis, and the like.
Have I mentioned I love this game? I do, yeah.
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Post by: ResettisCousin on October 16, 2012, 06:25:03 PM
Multiple reviews I read insisted that the auto-attack be turned off, and so I was ready for that before starting. But after 20 or so chapters I decided to try playing with auto-attack on and found it wasn't so completely horrible. I do agree that the lack of IR in the menus is funky. It really wouldn't be hard to believe that this was designed for the PS3 and when the ran out of cash to pay artists (and play testers), it was shifted to Wii. With that said, there are several things I like about it more than Xenoblade including more charismatic characters (could be the scenario, writing, voice acting, or all the above) and less filler. I would personally say it's a must-own Wii game. Part of me thinks it will be overlooked in various platform retrospectives because authors feel they have to pick between it and Xenoblade.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 16, 2012, 08:50:27 PM
I have also started playing this game recently, and I find it to be wildly inconsistent.
I switched to Manual before even playing my first battle, Auto just didn't seem like a good idea since it restricts movement. I don't know how much damage is reduced, but I haven't felt like I'm dealing weak hits, so it can't be too much. In fact, I end up doing the majority of damage, because my party members have the worst AI I have yet to see in an RPG. For a while into the game, they'd get themselves killed within five seconds, even to lowly grunts, so I'd either have to take out all enemies meself or risk getting mobbed trying to revive them. Things got better after I was able to gain them enough levels and better equipment, but they'll still sit there trying to cast spells when repeatedly getting hit, and they attack very slowly. If that speed is the same as Auto, it wouldn't work well.
Now to be fair, I hate party AI. Part of the reason I like turn-based RPGs is that I can control every member. Command mode helps somewhat, but it isn't enough for me. There really should be a multiplayer component, both local and online. This is even less excusable than Xenoblade since they already took the time to set up an online component, so you should be able to play through the game in multiplayer. It'd certainly make my time with it a lot more enjoyable.
The combat system is novel. Spamming the attack button does work for most enemies, however it takes a lot more time. Battles feel more like a puzzle since there's usually a way to make them go a lot faster and more smoothly, and bosses have a specific way of dealing with them. However, it doesn't feel like there's more than one way to tackle each battle, so I'm not so sure how much strategy is actually involved. I'll have to play some more to figure that out, maybe there are some intricacies that I have yet to pick up. It would also be nice if there were some incentive to finish battles quickly, to discourage spamming.
The graphics are also a mixed bag, some things look nice and detailed whilst others look blurry and blocky. The colouring is kind of drab as well, but I s'pose that's just the game's style. The story is decent, most of the characters are clichés but have enough personality to still be interesting in some cases. The narration with white text on a black screen is a real copout though, makes the game feel cheap. The scenes where you have to look around to find something aren't as bad as Metroid Other M since the thing you have to spot is usually easy to find, but in most cases it's unnecessary. I'm also confused why there is no pointer control for the crossbow.
I want to like this game, but it sure does show its ugly side a lot. I've even run into a few glitches that made me had to reload a save, such as prompts not appearing for places I needed to go. It is starting to get better, but it's definitely a rough game, and I don't know if its novel ideas are enough to save it in the end. I shall see.
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Post by: ymeegod on October 16, 2012, 10:34:36 PM
"but they'll still sit there trying to cast spells when repeatedly getting hit, and they attack very slowly. If that speed is the same as Auto,"
Ah, yeah, you have to draw enemy fire (since Zeal, your main character is an tank anyhow) by using the outsider power. Also by using "commands" (that little bar under your health) you can speed up your friendly mages to fire within a few seconds (3 I think compared to 18 seconds for their normal). What I normally did was run straight into the enemy (always go for enemy mages/rangers since you can usually kill them off within a few hits and prevents them from casting--spells do alot of damage to Zeal--at least to my Zeal since by default he's equipped with more physical armor than magical defence. I guess you can change that but I never bother (I just use auto-equip for the most part).
Later in the game you gain a few abilities that make swarming enemies easier to deal with, my favorite method was using Wall/flip attack since that not only give you an area ground attack but it broke enemy armor as well then you could follow up with "accelerator" and then casting another "gale" with Zeal that way the whole party could be hasted. Once that happens your melee character/ with Zeal would get 10+ chains attacks.
That's just my method anyhow.
I'm almost done now, reached chapter 39 so I have about 5 hours left?
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Post by: Evan_B on October 17, 2012, 12:43:58 AM
The AI at the beginning of the game was pretty weak, I'll admit. When I first went into the game up until about chapter 10, I wasn't that convinced of the battle system, but truthfully the command system is a wonderful method of managing the squad based combat, especially since it buffs melee based squad mates and expedites spell casting in the early portions of the game and becomes a paper-punching mechanic once you unlock Spirit Breaks. To me the novelty of the game's combat and skirmishes is being Zael and having a lot of ability and potential but really not being strong enough to overcome enemies without either stealth or the sum of your parts- AKA the rest of your party.
There are times when I felt like I was really commanding the field- especially when I had Dagran, Mirania, and Yurick in the earlier portions of the game. But as I progressed and the number of party members would change- I felt that control stripped from me and I found myself relying on Zael's abilities to revive and command squad mates more. Grinding is easy, of course, but it was more fun to vault around the environments and revive party members, or covering them by taking out those shuffling grunts who threaten to halt their casting or are a bit too big to take on alone
I think the Last Story is a great RPG because everything you could possibly need to overcome and advance in those larger, chapter-based skirmishes is in the brilliantly-crafted hub town. Again, it's not massive, but it has all the items, side quests, and grinding you could possibly ask for in the form of the arena. I think if you don't take the time to appreciate the elements of the town and how they can really balance out all those partner AI inconsistencies and battle difficulties- but the battles are really what this game is all about, so if you want to really have fun in them, you might want to take note of all the tools the game gives you to make them as neat as they can be.
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Post by: ymeegod on October 17, 2012, 03:34:44 AM
Finished it --30ish hour mark.
Like someone else mentioned but Syrenne & Lowell really stole the show--the other characters were bleh. Really wished mystwalker had developed the characters more, like how they all got together would have been a great start.
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Post by: noname2200 on October 18, 2012, 06:00:38 PM
I've just beaten the mansion, and I gotta be honest, I'm not really feeling the game at all. I'm over halfway through, right?
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Post by: Mop it up on October 18, 2012, 06:48:19 PM
The arena is a disappointment. It's just the same fight over and over and over again with slightly higher-leveled enemies each time.
The arena is a disappointment. It's just the same fight over and over and over again with slightly higher-leveled enemies each time.
You have to progress in the story to get the next set of enemies. There's three sets in total, I think.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 19, 2012, 05:15:04 PM
Good to know.
Hey speaking of the mansion, has anyone else encountered glitches in this game? When I was in the mansion, Horace got captured by the black skeleton and I went back to the coffins to retrieve him, he just kept laying in there and didn't jump out. So I went to save (in a different slot) and reload, and then it looked like he was back in my party... except he wasn't moving and didn't follow me. I ended up having to reload an earlier save.
And this is the fourth glitch I've come across... so far!
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Post by: Enner on October 20, 2012, 06:50:36 AM
Never had any game-breaking bugs in my time with the game. Luck of the draw.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 21, 2012, 07:14:33 PM
Yeah, I don't recall hearing people talk about glitches in this game, so I think I'm just unlucky. I did look them up though, so I can confirm that I wasn't missing anything and they were indeed glitches.
Are there any missable chapters in this game? I see they are not always in order, as I completed 24 before I did 22 and 23, but I don't recall seeing a chapter 21. It's possible I just didn't noticed it displayed if I already played it, or is that a side chapter I haven't found yet?
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Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 12:45:43 AM
There are some missable chapters, but they simply give Mirania and Yurick some character development.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 26, 2012, 06:26:12 PM
I think my party members are just trolling me now.
"Look out, the ceiling is collapsing!" *gets crushed by ceiling*
"They're weak against magic, but not ice magic." *uses ice magic on the enemies*
Idiots.
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Post by: Enner on October 26, 2012, 08:35:40 PM
The ceiling incident can't be helped when the AI is poor. In the case of ice magic, the element is tied to the character so it's something you can work around. Also, I've noticed that when you give a party member a command that will be the action they will perform until you command them again. So, if you tell Calista to cast a healing circle, she will keep casting healing circles until you command her to use her light-element attack.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 26, 2012, 08:44:39 PM
Also, I've noticed that when you give a party member a command that will be the action they will perform until you command them again.
This is true up until the enemy they are focused on is defeated, then they go back to acting on their own accord. In the specific case that the quotes are from, the boss would change back and forth between forms, and this was enough to cause Lowell to switch back to using ice magic. So I had to command him after every switch to stop, which isn't always easy since it requires a full special bar and I use Gale a lot to diffuse magic circles (especially ice ones before it heals the boss).
I'm not sure what the work-around is that you're talking about, I didn't see an option to leave Lowell behind. Really, all this could be solved by simple commands like "Don't use magic," ones you should be able to use without using SP. I tried "Retreat," but characters still cast magic when waiting around in heal circles.
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Post by: Enner on October 27, 2012, 01:55:53 AM
You can pick and choose your party members, but that is reserved for the Colosseum and repeating dungeons. Ah, I lied about the work around. Retreat won't stop Lowell from using magic so the only other recourse is to command him to be a berzerker. It's annoying to have party members use magic that an enemy is resistant to, but I never noticed an enemy being healed because of it. I'm grateful for that and for the game not grading the player negatively for using resistant magic.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 27, 2012, 01:58:38 PM
It was definitely healing the boss in question, I saw green numbers and the health bar was going back up. It also applies to when characters stand in the magic circle and it powers their weapons, there was an incident where Lowell used ice right as I was doing the vertical slice on the boss, and it regained about a fourth of its health bar. Fortunately I always sufficiently level myself, so I have no problem lasting through all the mishaps of the dumb AI in this game.
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Post by: ymeegod on October 27, 2012, 02:16:47 PM
You can select what your AI is doing though? If they are mage by default then switch them to melee (swords) through the command menu. Once you do this they will continue to use melee until end of the battle.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 27, 2012, 02:23:36 PM
That isn't true, read my previous post.
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Post by: Enner on October 27, 2012, 04:53:12 PM
Really? Damn, I must have a bad memory. Then again, I didn't use elemental magic that an enemy was resistant to all that often. I was pretty good at avoiding that mistake even with the party AI.
EDIT: I must have forgotten about magic healing the enemy since the majority of the fights in the game are quick and easy. Boss fights usually only have one trick to understand in order to beat them.
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Post by: Mop it up on October 29, 2012, 08:51:11 PM
Yeah, that's disappointing about it, battles were more simple and easy than I was expecting.
Anyways, does anyone play this game online? I'm in the epilogue now and will be ready for online play soon.
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Post by: Adrock on November 20, 2012, 10:52:06 PM
The Last Story is XSEED's Most Successful Game (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/11/20/the-last-story-is-xseeds-most-successful-game-and-now-its-che/)
It may not have sold spectacularly, but there's always a nice silver lining. I should probably get around to playing this. Maybe I'll just play this in Wii Mode.
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 21, 2012, 09:54:47 PM
Hopefully this will increase the chances of Pandora's Twoer appearing on the eShop.
