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Title: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - About 17 Minutes.
Post by: ThePerm on May 27, 2016, 01:25:10 AM
Predict. Spread Rumors. Broadcast hope for games. Nintendo has lot of franchises that could go on NX.
What do you think they might have ready for launch?
Someone was talking about the F-zero levels in Mario Kart 8. How likely do you think that could have evolved into a full F-zero game by now?
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Lemonade on May 27, 2016, 04:14:06 AM
Zelda has to be a launch game. There will be a mini game collection, maybe Nintendo Land 2 I wouldnt be surprised to see Pikmin 4 at launch. New Super Mario Bros NX A bunch of third party games, mostly from Ubisoft.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Adrock on May 27, 2016, 05:27:08 AM
The Legend of Zelda Wii U/NX Retro Studios' not-Metroid game Super Smash Bros. for Wii U for NX A straight port of Super Mario Maker (as a pack-in game)
I haven't been paying enough attention to third party games to know what's coming out around then. I think most of them know better than to try late 2016 ports so no Madden or Call of Duty. It isn't worth trying because the vast majority of those ports won't sell well enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe Final Fantasy XV. Maybe. And that's only because Nintendo hardware has a decent sized audience for J-RPGs even if Square Enix is admittedly trying to revamp the series to have a more global feel.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2016, 10:21:25 AM
I'm guessing Retro's game is coming out at Christmas.
I think Zelda is day 1, Pikmin 4 is summer, Wario Ware inbetween there, new IP late summer/early fall.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Soren on May 27, 2016, 10:26:02 AM
Day 1
- A new 3D Mario - Pikmin 4 (if it doesn't come out on Wii U) - A new mini game collection (possibly tied to the Wario franchise) - A port of a Wii U game - A new Animal Crossing game - Maybe Zelda, but I'm thinking delay...
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2016, 02:21:28 PM
I think Zelda is a lock. They've pretty much confirmed it as such and if they delay it on the NX they have to delay it on the Wii U as well.
Aside from that I expect some mini-game nonsense and at least one Wii U port. Pikmin 4 is probably an NX title but I don't know if it's a launch title. I'm kind of assuming that Nintendo is probably not going to have as much stuff ready for launch as they hope. They're probably aiming for March with a fair bit of games but things will get delayed and move into the launch window. You could in theory think "well they haven't released much lately, must have a whole bunch of stuff ready" but that was the assumption on the Wii U and they had very little ready. For whatever they show at the debut NX event something will get delayed.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Mop it up on May 27, 2016, 03:51:12 PM
Nintendo Land 2 Wii Sports 3 Super Mario Bros. 1 HD GBA WarioWare HD The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD HD Mario Kart 8.1 Super Smash Bros. for NX Featuring Even More Fire Emblem Edition
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 27, 2016, 04:07:38 PM
I think Zelda is a lock. They've pretty much confirmed it as such and if they delay it on the NX they have to delay it on the Wii U as well.
Aside from that I expect some mini-game nonsense and at least one Wii U port. Pikmin 4 is probably an NX title but I don't know if it's a launch title. I'm kind of assuming that Nintendo is probably not going to have as much stuff ready for launch as they hope. They're probably aiming for March with a fair bit of games but things will get delayed and move into the launch window. You could in theory think "well they haven't released much lately, must have a whole bunch of stuff ready" but that was the assumption on the Wii U and they had very little ready. For whatever they show at the debut NX event something will get delayed.
You got that right. They reallyneed to work on their long term planning.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2016, 04:28:01 PM
For third party launch titles I'm not sure what to expect. Normally EA and Ubisoft are pretty much a sure thing but both of them were really quick to abandon the Wii U. Will they let bygones be bygones and give Nintendo a fresh start with the NX or will they want some concrete sales figures first? I worry about this aspect as the console won't sell if it doesn't have enough games but it may not attract decent support unless it sells. I think for third parties the NX launch has to seem like a low risk situation. Moneyhats may need to be involved at first.
If EA is on board can we not get a poison pill situation like Mass Effect 3? I figure third party games will sell fine if:
A. They're not so old that you can find them at discount prices on the other consoles. B. The NX version is not noticeably inferior to other versions due to some missing content or features.
How will the March timeframe affect things? Madden comes out in August. By March the NFL season will be over. A late port of it would be pretty much useless so the NX would have to wait until the next Madden. Call of Duty's come out in November. It's a series you expect to see on a console but having the newest one four months later is probably going to miss out on the bulk of the sales. What the NX needs to get in March are the games that are due to come out around that time on ALL consoles. By missing the Christmas season they're going to ensure that third party games released in that timeframe will have already had their initial sales rush. Multi-console owners will likely have bought those games on another platform even if they buy an NX at launch so you're really only looking at Wii U owners as customers for such titles. What's coming out for the other consoles around the February/March 2017 timeframe? Those are the third party games that should be available at launch. Mass Effect Andromeda is supposed to come out Q1 2017. There you go, Nintendo. Call up EA and get that game!
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2016, 04:39:23 PM
Yeah, CoD and other November, AAA, annualized games are usually at the $40 range by March/April. No one is going to want to buy those games at full price. And even launching at a reduced price may not work out because the market for those games could be saturated.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: KeyBilly on May 27, 2016, 06:40:22 PM
If the NX really launches in March, that will leave them room for a big title besides Zelda in November-December. Alongside Zelda, I agree with most people that we will see ports of Wii U games. They will also likely include a "smaller" Mario title, like Luigi's Mansion or NSMB. The big Galaxy/Sunshine Mario that I hope is coming would be a holiday release, unless the NX is delayed to the holidays.
Rounding out the launch window could be more niche games like Pikmin 3, plus fitness and assorted Mii stuff. I would appreciate a Wii Music sequel (+ Dance?) just to see the internet's reaction.
Since Zelda wasn't created with the NX in mind, they will need a big game to show off whatever new features the NX has. Whatever it is will likely give us a good view into what demographic they are targeting.
Third party support is hard to predict. If it is a true hybrid, we could get games from 3DS developers, which would be great! EA and Ubisoft may test the waters again, and I hope Nintendo does whatever it takes to make sure they jump in with both feet rather than throw breadcrumbs out our heads and act like we just aren't hungry when we don't open wide.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: EasyCure on May 27, 2016, 07:08:04 PM
Now THIS is a thread I can participate in! All that specs talk in the Rumor thread..ugh.
Let's see...
-I think the consensus is that Zelda NX/U will be there at launch.
-Also at launch, a Wii U port. If they're trying to move systems, they might go with Sm4sh with all DLC and bill is as an ultimate / definitive version. Honestly, if Nintendo tries to launch a port WITHOUT the DLC, they're just going to piss off a lot of fans... and these will be the same fans that bought Wii U at launch, aka the same fans that want to get NX on day 1. Don't piss them off Nintendo.
The only way I can see Nintendo trying to release a Smash port at launch WITHOUT DLC is if it's not a port, but a remake from the ground up for NX to act as a trojan horse of sorts. Have fans double dip, and promise them that this version is basically forward compatible with Smash 5, meaning if you purchase this version, you'll get a download code for when smash 5 comes out that acts as an expansion pack (but sold stand-alone for those who didn't double dip on Sm4sh).
I highly doubt this scenario, but I believe that having both Zelda and Smash at launch will sell systems. Nintendo die-hards are notorious for double dipping, which is exactly why Nintendo doesn't miss an opportunity, but these two titles may just entice those who are usually on the fence (Ian types*) to adopt early, especially the ones who may have skipped on Wii U and want a crack at Smash..
*I doubt this would sway our beloved Ian Sane, but people of like mind are the ones that take that wait and see approach and pick up the system late on the cheap for those key games. Couple this scenario with decent 3rd party launch support, and the system starts looking promising, no?
What else..
I think by Summer we should get a Mario game, just not THE Mario game. Assuming we have decent 3rd party titles at launch, and assuming nintendo doesn't **** up the new VC shop, I could see them releasing a class B mario title and saving the next big 3D title for their first holiday season. Maybe a Mario Maker port/update/true sequel but if you let a guy dream, I wouldn't mind seeing an HD remake of Mario Bros 1 or 3. In fact, I have a CRAZY idea..
Use the Wii U Paper Mario assets and remake the classic side scrollers in that style. Call it Super Paper Mario Bros. (which lets face it, sounds like an awkward enough title for Nintendo to use, and luckily drops the "new"). Hell, don't even throw in gimmicks, I don't need that. Duck Tales Remastered spoiled me and now I just want to experience Mario Bros 1 and 3 with a fresh coat of paint. If Nintendo has to throw in a gimmick, make them bonus areas. Add a new power-up, or add new secret rooms/areas that take advantage of that 3d gimmick used in Super Paper Mario, let me speed run through the game in plain ol side-scrolling 2D with that art style please.
I think this is the sort of title that doesn't require much time to develop, is an easy sell and helps fill in the gap before the holiday season.
Another good summer release would be Pikmin 4. We know Nintendo's been working on it some time, assuming they can update assets from Pikmin 3 I don't see why it isn't close to completion by now. Pikmin just has that summer feel in my eye so this makes sense to me.
Moving into the fall / holiday season, the next big Mario title needs to be there. I'm itching to see what a 'true' successor to Galaxy will be like after not getting it on Wii U. I know, I know, we just had a Mario title in the summer but fans should realize now that Nintendo considers Mario as a multi-genre IP. For better or worse, we have 5 distinct lines of business:
3D platform, 2D (2.5D?) platformer, Action/RPG, Sports, and Party.
Personally, 3D world just doesn't do it for me as the next big 3D title and the play style honestly is more reminiscent of the 2D platformer series. I loved the game overall, but Nintendo needs to show off an ambitious title to show that they can come up with new groundbreaking ideas. After two 3D Worlds and 5 New Super Mario Bros, even a long time Mario fan like me thinks it's getting a little stale. Yes, I'm the same guy who suggested a remake of SMB1/3 because yes I love my platformers, and the level design is always going to be top notch there, but I want to be amazed again, like when I saw Galaxy or Super Mario 64 for the first time. Preferably Nintendo would create a brand new IP with a radical new idea, but we all know they'll use Mario first and foremost if they can make it make sense. It's just been too long since Mario wow'd me, and what better time to release it than NX's first holiday?
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ShyGuy on May 27, 2016, 07:25:39 PM
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Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2016, 07:33:39 PM
I highly doubt this scenario, but I believe that having both Zelda and Smash at launch will sell systems. Nintendo die-hards are notorious for double dipping, which is exactly why Nintendo doesn't miss an opportunity, but these two titles may just entice those who are usually on the fence (Ian types*) to adopt early, especially the ones who may have skipped on Wii U and want a crack at Smash..
*I doubt this would sway our beloved Ian Sane, but people of like mind are the ones that take that wait and see approach and pick up the system late on the cheap for those key games. Couple this scenario with decent 3rd party launch support, and the system starts looking promising, no?
One problem with this is that both Zelda and Smash are not NX exclusives. If you already have a Wii U you can wait and not upgrade right away. I suppose it won't hurt for attracting those that never bought a Wii U and the PS4 sold well at launch despite mostly offering just spruced up PS3 ports. Still I feel like we need something completely new in there, even if it's just a quick 'n dirty NSMB, to entice Wii U owners that may be cautious about jumping into a new Nintendo console right at launch. Zelda can and should be the focus but something completely exclusive should be supporting it. The Wii had Twilight Princess but also had exclusives in Wii Sports and Excitetruck so it wasn't a frivolous purchase for a Cube owner that otherwise didn't need a whole new console to play TP. Those other two games also weren't as meaty as Zelda so they were the sort of games that are easier to develop in time for launch. Going back to the Excite IP actually might be a good way to fill out the launch.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Khushrenada on May 27, 2016, 07:38:57 PM
Nintendo Land 2 Wii Sports 3 Super Mario Bros. 1 HD GBA WarioWare HD The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD HD Mario Kart 8.1 Super Smash Bros. for NX Featuring Even More Fire Emblem Edition
I think the avatar is rubbing off on you.... I like it!
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: EasyCure on May 27, 2016, 08:15:19 PM
I highly doubt this scenario, but I believe that having both Zelda and Smash at launch will sell systems. Nintendo die-hards are notorious for double dipping, which is exactly why Nintendo doesn't miss an opportunity, but these two titles may just entice those who are usually on the fence (Ian types*) to adopt early, especially the ones who may have skipped on Wii U and want a crack at Smash..
*I doubt this would sway our beloved Ian Sane, but people of like mind are the ones that take that wait and see approach and pick up the system late on the cheap for those key games. Couple this scenario with decent 3rd party launch support, and the system starts looking promising, no?
One problem with this is that both Zelda and Smash are not NX exclusives. If you already have a Wii U you can wait and not upgrade right away. I suppose it won't hurt for attracting those that never bought a Wii U and the PS4 sold well at launch despite mostly offering just spruced up PS3 ports. Still I feel like we need something completely new in there, even if it's just a quick 'n dirty NSMB, to entice Wii U owners that may be cautious about jumping into a new Nintendo console right at launch. Zelda can and should be the focus but something completely exclusive should be supporting it. The Wii had Twilight Princess but also had exclusives in Wii Sports and Excitetruck so it wasn't a frivolous purchase for a Cube owner that otherwise didn't need a whole new console to play TP. Those other two games also weren't as meaty as Zelda so they were the sort of games that are easier to develop in time for launch. Going back to the Excite IP actually might be a good way to fill out the launch.
Excellent point actually. I guess my bias is showing there, because at this point I'm not even considering Zelda for Wii U.
I would love to revisit the excite IP, especially after the excite level in Mario Kart. The question is do they go back to the whacky Bot route (which I enjoyed) or go back to bikes? Hard to decide in my eyes.
I'm actually shocked you're suggesting a new NSMB title to be honest.I know where you're coming from, but in my mind there's certain games I certainly don't want to see at launch.
Nintendo shouldn't do Nintendoland 2 or a NSMB. We don't know if they'll have a gamepad 2.0 for the NX, for one thing, but I'm a believer that Nintendo should move away from the Wii brand and launching with sequels of Wii U launch titles might just trigger deja vu and doubt in some gamers.
I'm conflicted because Mario SHOULD be there at launch, like the old days, he's to Nintendo what Mickey is to Disney, but I can't imagine a new galaxy/mario 64 -esque game being there at launch next to a brand new Zelda. It sounds like a fanboys wet dream to be honest, but Mario is still the bigger of the 2 and considering NX is launching after the holiday season, I picture a scenario where parents picking up a system for kids will only choose one game, and that game will undoubtedly be Mario. Nintendo shouldn't risk losing Zelda sales to Mario. With how Zelda sales have been decreasing over the years, having Zelda look weak in terms of sales will just tarnish it's brand further, making the NX's first original Zelda a harder sell to anyone who is still a sold out at that point.
Maybe my Super Paper Mario Bros be idea would work at launch ;) Ian would you like to offer your opinion on how having a remake of a 30 year old game at launch is a slap on the face to gamers?
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on May 27, 2016, 09:34:42 PM
I'm a big proponent of launching Mario Kart as early as possible for a new console. It's one of the most consistent movers of Hardware, has broad appeal, and exhibits evergreen sales. Plus, the earlier they launch it the longer they can enjoy a long cycle of profitable DLC and updates to the game.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 27, 2016, 11:29:02 PM
I'm a big proponent of launching Mario Kart as early as possible for a new console. It's one of the most consistent movers of Hardware, has broad appeal, and exhibits evergreen sales. Plus, the earlier they launch it the longer they can enjoy a long cycle of profitable DLC and updates to the game.
Mario Kart will more then likely be their big holiday 2017 title. That first holiday is going to be the most important time in the systems life so I'd imagine Nintendo wants a new Mario Kart to be it's flagship title during this time since Mario Kart is their biggest home console franchise right now.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on May 27, 2016, 11:32:55 PM
Super Smash Bros. for NX Featuring Even More Fire Emblem Edition
You joke, but I could see them doing an all-Fire Emblem fighting game down the road.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Shaymin on May 28, 2016, 12:26:11 AM
Fire Emblem would go musou before it would be a fighting game.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: MagicCow64 on May 28, 2016, 12:57:38 AM
I strongly doubt that there will be another New Super Mario Bros. as we know it. Or at least nowhere near the launch window. I think they're going to position the Mario Maker ecosystem as their answer to Minecraft going forward, with expanding stage elements and item pools and characters and whathaveyou. As good as NSMB Wii and WiiU are, they feel something like a martial arts demo from a master that isn't entering competitions. They even backed away from the free flight elements of SMB3 and Super Mario World. Plus launching with NSMB WiiU is kind of a historical market faceplant for them.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2016, 01:09:33 AM
Plus launching with NSMB WiiU is kind of a historical market faceplant for them.
I still want to live in the alternate universe where instead of New Super Mario Bros 2 launching with the 3DSXL, they turn it into the Wario game it should have been and add a remake of the only good pre-Federation Force Metroid game (Metroid II) for the XL's launch.
Basically, New Super Mario 2 cut their biggest Wii U launch title off at the knees.
I'm a big proponent of launching Mario Kart as early as possible for a new console. It's one of the most consistent movers of Hardware, has broad appeal, and exhibits evergreen sales. Plus, the earlier they launch it the longer they can enjoy a long cycle of profitable DLC and updates to the game.
Mario Kart will more then likely be their big holiday 2017 title. That first holiday is going to be the most important time in the systems life so I'd imagine Nintendo wants a new Mario Kart to be it's flagship title during this time since Mario Kart is their biggest home console franchise right now.
I've said for a while now that I really think their Holiday 2017 title will be Splatoon 2. They'll have had the time to really refine the gameplay from the original, and I think they see it as a bigger system seller than Mario Kart at this point, which I see either coming in the summer of 2017 or early 2018.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 28, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
I still want to live in the alternate universe where instead of New Super Mario Bros 2 launching with the 3DSXL, they turn it into the Wario game it should have been and add a remake of the only good pre-Federation Force Metroid game (Metroid II) for the XL's launch.
Basically, New Super Mario 2 cut their biggest Wii U launch title off at the knees. Either way, I'd play it.
Yeah the historical faceplant was releasing the greatly inferior NSMB 2 on the 3DS only 3 fucking months earlier, which basically gave all the kids and casual fans their 2D Mario fix on a much cheaper system so they had no reason to spend over $400 for the Wii U. NSMB U being the only 2D Mario that year would have actually been a good idea for the launch of a new system but releasing two of them within literally months of each other basically sabotaged the later one which NSMB U unfortunately ended up being despite being lightyears better then NSMB 2.
I've said for a while now that I really think their Holiday 2017 title will be Splatoon 2. They'll have had the time to really refine the gameplay from the original, and I think they see it as a bigger system seller than Mario Kart at this point, which I see either coming in the summer of 2017 or early 2018.
Splatoon 2 is more early or Spring 2018 to me. The Wii U game is still more recent to people then any other major Nintendo franchise and 2017 is already looking to have a huge new Zelda, a new 3D Mario that's probably going to be something mind blowing like Galaxy was when first shown and Mario Kart. They need to save some big games for 2018 and a new Splatoon would be the perfect way to keep momentum going that year.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Evan_B on May 28, 2016, 02:29:15 PM
Super Smash Bros. for NX Featuring Even More Fire Emblem Edition
You joke, but I could see them doing an all-Fire Emblem fighting game down the road.
I will give up video games if this ever happens.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on May 28, 2016, 03:48:38 PM
Why you gotta be so hatin'? ;)
I think there is room for multiple fighters on Nintendo systems.
Smash would still be the flagship, but we also have Pokken. A Fire Emblem fighter could easily fill a weapons based fighter niche in the vein of Soul Calibur.
It would be similar to juggling multiple racers on the same system. Mario Kart, Excite Truck, Diddy Kong, Need for Speed, F1; plenty of room for multiple fighters as well.
Besides, maybe if we get a dedicated FE fighter Sakurai will stop flooding the Smash roster with extra FE lords.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 28, 2016, 05:25:10 PM
I think lot of improved wii u games will be available at launch with minor upgrades, because most people missed out on them.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 28, 2016, 06:44:28 PM
If there's one thing that developers like doing, it's remaking their games that no one bought for the previous console again for the new console.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Oedo on May 28, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
I would be so down for a Fire Emblem fighting game (assuming an experienced team would be making it). I don't think it's particularly likely, even after the huge rise of the series over the past year, but it's fun to think about.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Evan_B on May 28, 2016, 07:10:23 PM
Notice that we have not seen a Diddy Kong, F-Zero, or Excite game on Wii U. The first two are bygone relics, at this point.
A Fire Emblem fighting game would be dumb. There's better titles utilizing Yūsuke Kozaki's art style, and some even feature action/violent gameplay that is way more interesting than a Soul Calibur ripoff.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 28, 2016, 09:23:22 PM
Plus there have been enough rumors of a new Diddy Kong Racing for years now that show Nintendo has been trying to get a new Diddy Kong Racing out for a while now.
Yes these aren't top tier franchises to Nintendo so they don't go out of their way to have their own internal studio's make new ones but it doesn't mean they aren't looking for other studio's to make them. Had Criterion been willing to play ball we probably would have gotten a new F-Zero by now. Plus the rumors about Diddy Kong Racing usually point to Monster (makers of Excite Trucks and Bots) being involved.
Hell, one of the more proficient ones is Excitebots was originally a new Diddy Kong Racing but some **** went down during development and all the animals got changed to bots. This is pretty believable when you think about it since it would explain why Nintendo just suddenly dumped that game out in April 2009, with no advertising less then 2 months after they revealed it, despite the fact Excite Trucks was a million seller at launch and a surprise hit. I wouldn't be surprised if after Trucks success Nintendo was willing to let them take a chance at Diddy Kong but when things went sour, Nintendo stopped the project, cut the budget and had them quickly turn what was left into Bots to try and get some kind of money back from it.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 28, 2016, 09:26:03 PM
I would totally play that Soul Calibur Ripoff.
Actually, whats the deal with that series lately? Hasn't it sold well on Nintendo consoles, but the last few iterations would not be portable to a Nintendo console? If NX can launch with Soul Calibur VI that would be great. Also Tekken, Smash Bros NX, Virtua Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter.
If Nintendo planned it right they could make themselves the fighting game destination.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on May 29, 2016, 01:43:05 AM
I heard that Sony paid a big money hat for exclusivity of Soul Calibt ur 3 and after that HD gen hit and so it never came back to Nintendo besides the crappy adventure game. Soul Calibur 2 sold best on Gamecube ironically.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Evan_B on May 29, 2016, 03:25:05 AM
Bah! Shouldn't a fighting game have some variety, rather than two weapon triangles? I really think Fire Emblem is better suited for Musou, and even that is a stretch. Sometimes, I just can't believe that there are people on the internet with different opinions than me...!
And honestly, Diddy Kong Racing is never coming back. F-ZERO, maybe, but certainly not Diddy Kong racing. It was one okayish N64 game that got its chance in the limelight, but there's likely a reason the franchise has been "this close" to revival and then abandoned. I personally don't understand why someone would want a sequel, but of course, there's the internet again...
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2016, 08:32:39 AM
F-Zero is definitely coming back considering, as Luigi Dude mentioned, Nintendo has already tried to bring it back. And with the Mario Kart 8 DLC, the series is obviously still on Nintendo's mind. Maybe with a shared library on NX, having to develop one Mario Kart then DLC will free up the team to take on F-Zero.
The shared library thing is also one of the reasons I can't see Diddy Kong Racing coming back. There's a reason Nintendo only releases one Mario Kart per generation per platform (e.g. evergreen status). With how successful DLC has been for the series (being a good deal if you bought them bundled certainly helped), I can't see Nintendo green lighting a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that may cannibalize DLC sales. Bank rolling DLC is cheaper than developing a new game. There was a DS port developed by Rare that stripped all the Rare characters out. To me, the game was more Rareware Racing featuring Diddy Kong that used the character because he was more recognizable than Rare's character as Conker and Banjo hadn't even been in a game yet. A sequel without Rare characters probably not developed by Rare starring a character that is a regular in a more popular racing game doesn't seem worthwhile to me. Mario Kart has taken to the skies and seas for some reason albeit in a different way while Sonic and Allstars Racing Transformed totally ganked Diddy Kong Racing's entire schtick. With so many things stacked against it, I don't see Nintendo seeing a point. At least F-Zero is a different kind of racing game.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on May 29, 2016, 02:22:44 PM
I could see a use for a Diddy Kong Racing game co-habbitating with Mario Kart on the same system.
Mario Kart is more of a first/second year flagship title carrying the bulk of the sales and appeal. DKR can be the more experimental title that comes out in the last year or so of a console's life to bring something fresh to the table for system owners who may be losing interest in earlier titles. There is only so much DLC you can provide before the return of investment diminishes too far.
But there are two reasons I think people still want a DKR sequel (three, but the last is the pipe dream of Rare properties returning, which will never happen):
One is the adventure mode. This could be provided as an expansion to Mario Kart, but after a few years it could be wiser to just release a brand new game that could be charged at full retail price.
Two is the hovercraft and plane. Multiple vehicle options helps keep the game feeling fresh and different. This could also be solved through expanded options and DLC in Mario Kart, but it could be an excuse to experiment outside of the box, as well as the above reason of getting another full retail release, which Nintendo tends to hurt for in the twilight years of a consoles life.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 29, 2016, 04:15:30 PM
Yeah I see Nintendo wanting a new Diddy Kong Racing for the same reason they release new Donkey Kong platformers when they're able to. Mario is meant to be the safer series aimed at everyone while Donkey or for racing Diddy Kong, the more unique title aimed at more dedicated gamers that want something different. Mario is of course going to get all the attention but when they have a developer ready and willing to work on Donkey/Diddy they'll take advantage of it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the reason the rumored Diddy Kong titles end up not getting made is because Nintendo so far hasn't found a way to really deviate the series enough from Mario Kart in a way that still works and are happy with the quality. The DS Diddy Kong Racing underperformed so I imagine that's why Nintendo is a lot more cautious on how the next one is made. That might be why it sounds like the rumored Wii game that got turned into Excitebots used animals as the vehicles as a way to help separate it from the karts Mario uses.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Wah on May 29, 2016, 07:42:01 PM
duh guys! FF7 remake!
(I'm not being sarcastic either.)
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 29, 2016, 09:13:49 PM
What if they just dropped the kart part of diddy kong racing? I'd be fine with just planes or hovercraft, hovercraft is kinda unneccesary too. There is waverace for that. Pilotwings is gliders instead of ww2 planes.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 29, 2016, 11:46:00 PM
If they differentiated Mario Kart and Diddy Kong Racing enough that could work. But honestly, they could just fully include Diddy Kong racing into Mario Kart because none of the Diddy Kong characters were memorable or cute. Give Mario Kart a design which cups designed like this: First Race Kart Second Race Jet Third Race Hovercraft Fourth Race Mix. Hovercraft could be floater but allows you to avoid obstacles and find water shortcuts. Karts are fast, can Power Slide to boost and your typical Mario Kart feel. Jets are fast but require precision flying, and you must fly through rings on the course...which give it a different racing feel. The Mix Race could be a sort of Battle Arena Dome Race.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Evan_B on May 30, 2016, 12:33:16 AM
I just wanted to apologize for my abrasive behavior in the thread previously.
I never thought Fire Emblem would get my knickers so twisted.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2016, 12:44:38 AM
If they differentiated Mario Kart and Diddy Kong Racing enough that could work. But honestly, they could just fully include Diddy Kong racing into Mario Kart because none of the Diddy Kong characters were memorable or cute. Give Mario Kart a design which cups designed like this: First Race Kart Second Race Jet Third Race Hovercraft Fourth Race Mix. Hovercraft could be floater but allows you to avoid obstacles and find water shortcuts. Karts are fast, can Power Slide to boost and your typical Mario Kart feel. Jets are fast but require precision flying, and you must fly through rings on the course...which give it a different racing feel. The Mix Race could be a sort of Battle Arena Dome Race.
The memorable and cute DKR characters mostly belong to Rare anyway. The elephant was cool though.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2016, 12:58:45 AM
Back to the topic: I think a Splatoon sequel is coming out within the first 18 months of the NX (assuming it's, at least, a home console). The trouble is when Nintendo should launch it. I'm gonna guess that Nintendo is ready to monetize the DLC on this franchise, which puts in in a weird spot. The first game has a crazy high attach rate and has been insanely popular, so it can move units. However, putting the sequel day and date at launch creates the Pokemon problem: not everyone can play it right away (hardware shortages/price barriers). A summer release has the perk of being able to recreate the frequent updates that kept the first game feeling "fresh" (LOL! References!), but this time bringing in money with each update OR saving the big $$$ update for a holiday release. This may still be too early to have a large online community. A holiday release is a bit risky because the series, while popular, may not be "name brand", so to speak. It might still lack the mindshare. Also, it might be up against a lot of popular (however inferior) shooters.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on May 30, 2016, 01:52:22 AM
There was a rumor a while back that Nintendo had a bunch of projects to try to port not just the games but the "communities" of games like Super Mario Maker, Smash, Splatoon,and a fourth game right? Maybe a Splatoon Sequel will somehow "bridge back" to the original community, many an "Enhanced" version with both sequel modes and classic modes?
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on May 30, 2016, 01:56:41 AM
Y'all are nuts! Tiptup was awesome!
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 30, 2016, 02:05:25 AM
I've said this a couple of times, but Mario Maker needs more stuff. I feel like it ran out of content quickly and most levels people make suck. Ideally, the endless levels would have made the game infinite, but sometimes you're playing a level and your like "this is uninspired". I would really like some stuff from super mario bros 2, like villains, level themes, powerups. Mario Maker could just expand into a Nintendo Classic games engine. I kinda want to make a classic game now. In some ways Mario Maker is better than Unity. If you could edit sprite maps, and drag and drop character types than they would have something. They made nes remix and mario maker at the same time, so they could very well have NES maker.
It would be kinda easy to have character behavior modules and prefabs with the current mario maker setup.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 30, 2016, 02:50:34 AM
So kinda of a Nintendo Game Maker.
If they could manage to get get a 2D engine for Mario/Kirby/Metroid/Starfy that could be pretty good.
They could release a different 2D engine for creating Zelda game but that could be harder.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: sudoshuff on May 30, 2016, 08:59:42 AM
NX within the first year:
Zelda- obviously Spla2oon- i think it's totally feasible they pull off a sequel to this by Christmas 2017 Pikmin 4- Miyamoto's already mentioned it Retro studios game- no idea what it could be 3D Mario (Galaxy sequel)
I'm not expecting much more than this the first year. If they are able to pull this off, it would be 4 major games, plus whatever Retro is doing (and third parties, of course). Zelda, Mario, and Splatoon alone should be enough to get people to buy the NX.
I don't think Nintendo will be porting any games from the Wii U over to NX. One of the problems with the Wii U was confusion over whether it was a brand new console or just an upgraded Wii. If all the launch games were just ports of Wii U games, that confusion may still exist with NX.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: famicomplicated on May 30, 2016, 11:40:48 AM
OK maybe not a launch list, let's call it a launch...year...list For sure: Zelda WiiU/NX Smash Bros DLC Super pack
Highly likely: Mario Maker DX Splatoon DX 3D Mario Animal Crossing (they've said a console game links to iOS game)
Less likely All the 3rd party games heading to XBone and PS4 in 2017 F-Zero
Sometime in the far future Dragon Quest 11 (accidentally announced a while back) Final Fantasy 15 Super Smash Kart!
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2016, 07:04:22 PM
I also wonder when a new 3D Mario will launch. It's not as tricky as a Splatoon sequel, though. Zelda has to be at launch since the Wii U version is delayed to coincide with the system launch. So, that kinda of rules it out, right? Too many big guns on day one means nothing left for the holiday. First holiday makes sense, since it's Mario. But both of these presumes that a game is ready, or going to be ready by then. I suppose it's been long enough since 3D World, but 3D World was clearly building off of 3D Land. Hopefully this new one is from scratch and isn't of the "new" variety.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 30, 2016, 07:13:55 PM
I think 3D Mario is a lock for launch. They need to come out of the gate strong, and a Zelda port isn't enough for that.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Oedo on May 30, 2016, 08:25:25 PM
Given how many times Zelda has been delayed and how long the writing has been on the wall for the Wii U, I'm not sure the Wii U is still the lead platform for that game. At this point it seems more likely to me that it'll be a fully featured NX game that also has a Wii U port. With the NX launching in March, I think you're depending on core gamers picking it up for strong initial sales numbers. Zelda is arguably Nintendo's most appealing franchise when it comes to that crowd, so I think it's reasonable to have that as the one big release right out of the gate. 3D Mario makes more sense during Holiday 2017 when they're really going to depend on families picking up the console for strong sales and they do need something big and new for that time of the year.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 30, 2016, 08:37:31 PM
Nintendo can't afford to be conservative with the launch. They can't just have one big release, they need to blow the doors off the thing, and EAD Tokyo will have had three years to work on it by then, so they should be ready. If they don't have something else in the pipeline they can release for Holiday 2017 they've already lost.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 30, 2016, 09:11:42 PM
For 95% of the population, Zelda will be an NX game since that will be the version Nintendo advertises like mad and potentially releases first just like Twilight Princess. Even if the Wii U version ends up being the superior one, Nintendo will still make sure the NX version is the one everyone see and knows about in 2017. Yeah the hardcore fans will know better but Nintendo clearly wants the NX, especially at launch to appeal to people beyond the hardcore Nintendo fans since the Wii U showed this group doesn't equal large hardware sales.
Of course Nintendo will probably have Pikmin 4 and some kind of new IP at launch to try and entice the hardcore so it won't be a complete neglect. But since this new Zelda is going to be an open world game, Nintendo is clearly is aiming for Ocarina of Time/Twilight Princess level sales again. There's no point in releasing a major 3D Mario at the same time since it would just take attention away from Zelda. Especially if the new 3D Mario is going to be something new and innovative to the franchise as well, there's no point in releasing 2 potential genre revolutionizing killer apps at the same time.
Now I expect Mario Kart to be their holiday 2017 title but I think if Zelda is a launch title in March, then 3D Mario is probably being saved for August or September. Much better way to space out the big guns and maintain hype while stuff like Luigi's Mansion and some new IP's or other smaller franchise revivals fill in the gaps in between.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 30, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
I really don't think Zelda is the draw a lot of you are making it out to be. Even forgetting that it's a port, if they hope to sell the system to a mainstream audience early on that's not going to cut it. Zelda and Pikmin just gets you the Wii U audience, which they already had.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: TOPHATANT123 on May 30, 2016, 09:45:13 PM
I think if you release one big game then another a month later, a consumer would have to make two separate decisions about whether or not to buy the system. If you release two big games on the same day a single decision will be made and the thought may not cross their mind again until the next big game comes out for the system.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Oedo on May 30, 2016, 10:02:15 PM
It depends on what you mean by mainstream audience. If you're talking about kids and families, then sure, but like I said I think that demographic is much more likely to pick up the console during the holidays regardless of what Nintendo puts out in March. Nintendo, by their own admission, does the majority of their business during the holidays and that's due in no small part to the fact that this is when families are willing to make these kinds of purchases.
If you're talking about about teens or adults who are multi-platform gamers, then I'm not really seeing the argument that a new HD open world Zelda game isn't a huge draw. If they deliver on the promise of a great, open world Zelda game, that's going to be a big deal in the larger gaming world, especially in March when we don't typically see a lot of big releases.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 30, 2016, 11:07:48 PM
I think Zelda still has the draw as a launch title.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on May 31, 2016, 12:32:41 PM
I think a 3D Mario at launch would be great and Nintendo has to go big with the NX launch to get anyone to even notice. But Nintendo's development has been slow since like 2010 or so. We all thought they abandoned the Wii prematurely to focus on Wii U launch games but that wasn't the case. Nope it was just NSMB and Nintendo Land, neither of which seemed to require such a long development time. I figure we'll get another NSMB game just because it's a relatively easy game to make in a short time. A really good 3D Mario takes much more time so I expect delays. There is no indication that Nintendo has gotten their **** together involving dev times or have beefed up their teams. They need to deliver big but I don't have confidence that they will, or that they're even aware of what they need to do.
I feel like what Nintendo needs to do and what Nintendo probably will do are different topics of discussion.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: nickmitch on May 31, 2016, 12:53:01 PM
For 95% of the population, Zelda will be an NX game since that will be the version Nintendo advertises like mad and potentially releases first just like Twilight Princess. Even if the Wii U version ends up being the superior one, Nintendo will still make sure the NX version is the one everyone see and knows about in 2017. Yeah the hardcore fans will know better but Nintendo clearly wants the NX, especially at launch to appeal to people beyond the hardcore Nintendo fans since the Wii U showed this group doesn't equal large hardware sales.
Except for the fact that the Wii U version is not only the sole version being shown at E3, it's the only thing Nintendo is demoing at all. So, that marketing blitz starts this year with 100% focus on the Wii U version. To suddenly pimp the NX version would mean flipping the script a bit.
Honestly, I think that plays into Insano's point. If Zelda is a Wii U game that happens to be on NX, then the NX will need a game to show off its features. A 3D Mario would be the perfect attention grabber.
. . ., and EAD Tokyo will have had three years to work on it by then, so they should be ready.
Though we have to factor in fluctuating versions of the NX hardware and, if the game started on Wii U, the time it takes to move it up to new hardware to begin with. Plus, to Ian's point, Nintendo's lack of efficiency with making HD games. 3 years might not be enough time.
I'm wondering if maybe we'll get a Galaxy 1&2 HD at launch and the real meat and potatoes at Holiday. That in itself sounds like a tall order.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: TOPHATANT123 on May 31, 2016, 02:15:50 PM
The Tokyo team is pretty good at getting games out quick.
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
~ 36 Months Later
Super Mario Galaxy
~31 Months Later
Super Mario Galaxy 2
~18 Months Later
Super Mario 3D Land
~ 24 Months Later
Super Mario 3D World
~ 12 Months Later
Captain Toad Treasure Tracker
By the time the NX comes out they'll have had very roughly 29 months.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2016, 02:32:24 PM
I have doubts Nintendo launches with a new Zelda and Mario even if the former is a port. If Retro Studios' apparently non-Metroid game is ready (and after over three year since Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, it damn well better be), I think that's a better launch title than a brand new game in an established franchise. A completely new IP from one of the industry's most revered teams will do more favors than 3D Mario will at launch. Nintendo is already preaching to the choir with Zelda (and the rumored ports of Super Mario Maker and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U). Nintendo fans already have NX on their mind. They need less convincing than everyone else. Having a non-established launch release further separates Nintendo from the Wii brand.
Nintendo is already going against tradition by launching a console in March which I think is okay because it's better than launching in November with no games. That said, it may not be bad idea to launch a new 3D Mario in the summer. Mario is an evergreen title; it'll sell no matter what so Using it to keep the release momentum going is something I'd like to see Nintendo try. Then, it can cap the year off with Mario Kart 9.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: nickmitch on May 31, 2016, 02:34:48 PM
I think the relevant gaps there are DKJB to SMG and 3D Land to 3D World: three years and two years, respectively. The 3 year gap was a new 3D Mario, on new hardware. The 2 year gap was the HD game, new hardware, but still building off of the last game. So, launch might be just enough time, but it seems like it might be closer to the 36.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: KeyBilly on May 31, 2016, 05:33:11 PM
Launching with both Zelda and mainline Mario would be extremely aggressive. I could see a lot of people buying one and waiting for the other to go on sale. It would also not leave much time for them to properly pimp out Mario, if the March release really happens. I don't think it would make sense, unless they don't have much else ready to go for launch.
Mario Kart is a system seller, but 8 seems too close to me for a new title. They might do a port with all the DLC, similar to the Smash port that is rumored. They could do this with many games, including Fire Emblem 3DS titles, to avoid gaps in their release schedule.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 31, 2016, 05:47:37 PM
Anybody think they can pull off a 3d donkey kong game on nx super powered hardware? Think Drakes Uncharted starring a gorilla and a monkey.
I wouldn't say anything done at launch could be considered aggressive. Launch should be aggressive. People buy the most games at launch.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 31, 2016, 06:01:18 PM
Think Drakes Uncharted starring a gorilla and a monkey
Wow, that is a really intriguing idea.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on May 31, 2016, 06:05:27 PM
I see no reason to "save" something for later in the year. The launch is probably not going to have that good of third party support so it's going to be thin. Therefore having a couple BIG games from Nintendo is going to mask that and make a better first impression. Strong launch sales are pretty much a necessity for the NX to attract any sort of real third party interest. The few third parties on board at the Wii U launch were real quick to bail once the initial sales weren't that great.
So if everything is at launch what shows up for Christmas? Well if Nintendo is in that sort of shape they're in trouble anyway. But if there is no way around that I think a strong launch with a bit of a drought afterwards would be a better situation than a console that takes too long to build up a decent lineup. At least a strong launch/drought means that there will be options for newcomers while a slow drip release means a weak lineup for everyone for the first little while. It isn't like those that buy the NX at launch are going to suddenly trade it in and give up on it if they get a bit of a drought. But if the console doesn't have a good lineup for the first six months or a year or whatever then it will never go anywhere. If they front load the releases then it has a good lineup ASAP. Plus if porting is easy then third parties might be able to get games out for Christmas after being enticed by strong launch sales.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: KeyBilly on May 31, 2016, 06:21:44 PM
A 3D Donkey Kong with Uncharted level graphics could be exciting, if the gameplay was more Galaxy or Bandicoot than DK64. Some sections could switch to 2D, similar to Galaxy or Prime. I don't know if the NX will be up to Uncharted 4 standards, but even the PS3 games were visually impressive.
Ian Sane, the NX could have a great launch compared to most without a big Mario title. Really, all titles are "held back" until it is the most strategic time to release them. The holidays are where a lot of money will be spent and they need to hit that hard too. The main thing is to have a well-rounded group of titles in March, along with Zelda. If they really need Mario because they have nothing else ready to flesh out the lineup, that would be a problem. Mario should get the star treatment and be hyped up at next E3 and throughout the year. Just my thinking.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 31, 2016, 06:24:38 PM
My prediction: Super Mario 3D Maker
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 31, 2016, 06:38:26 PM
I had went to put Super Mario 3d maker in a previous post, but then my internet crashed. With Minecraft around why not? Althoug I imagine a Mario 3d maker would be more like tony hawk editor than minecraft. I made some awesome levels on Tony Hawk 2.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: KeyBilly on May 31, 2016, 06:56:21 PM
SM3D Maker seems like an inevitability, but the 2D version still has so much room to grow. With that said, navigating a 3D level interface might show off whatever their new controller is and doing something big with Mario Maker would work well to generate interest. Even with the low Wii U sales, Mario Maker Let's Plays get a crazy number of views.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on May 31, 2016, 07:19:33 PM
Super Mario 3D Maker sounds like a cool idea but it loses the nostalgia factor of Super Mario Maker. There are no retro graphics to go with unless it's all flat Paper Mario style. Frankly I find the NSMB style graphics in SMM to be really dull so I rarely use them. I think having the SMB, SMB3 and SMW style graphics is a big part of the appeal - like people can make that old Mario game they daydreamed about as a kid. Super Mario 3D Maker would lose that, even though it would probably still be a great game. Plus designing a 3D level is a lot harder than a 2D one so you probably wouldn't have as large of a builder community. I think the game would sell well but wouldn't be as well received as the 2D game.
Super Mario Maker isn't just a level-designer. It's also a celebration of Mario's history and the retro sprites are key to achieving that.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 31, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
This is last years news, but it should fit into the discussion.
As of this time last year there haven't been resources dedicated to Metroid HD. Maybe shortly after they got some. It also gives us a sneak peak into NX. He think "nah man Metroid will take too long to make, and that ****'d be better on nx anway"
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: EasyCure on May 31, 2016, 07:41:25 PM
SM3D Maker seems like an inevitability, but the 2D version still has so much room to grow. With that said, navigating a 3D level interface might show off whatever their new controller is and doing something big with Mario Maker would work well to generate interest. Even with the low Wii U sales, Mario Maker Let's Plays get a crazy number of views.
Prediction that'll never come true:
The follow up to NX will fully embrace VR because the tech had advanced enough to be effective and affordable, and that is when we will get a super Mario 3D maker.
Why VR? because I saw this and wanted a new Mario Paint, but thought how much cooler having 3d set pieces would be. (https://youtu.be/u4O1L5O3Sqk)
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 31, 2016, 07:57:17 PM
They could make the game switch between mario 64, sunshine, and galaxy graphics. Remember that Mario 128 demo? Well I think a ps4 level system could display a couple million Mario 64 Marios on screen. I say this because the crowds in the NBA games lately are crazy.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: TOPHATANT123 on May 31, 2016, 08:01:19 PM
As of this time last year there haven't been resources dedicated to Metroid HD. Maybe shortly after they got some. It also gives us a sneak peak into NX. He think "nah man Metroid will take too long to make, and that ****'d be better on nx anway"
I wouldn't read into it too much, he's under a NDA and is legally obligated to lie about that sort of thing.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on May 31, 2016, 09:10:37 PM
Well usually with an NDA they'll say "we'll surprise you" or "no comment", but this was a more of "we still haven't got our **** together for that", Which is in line with how Nintendo operates. The big Retro game everyone thought was going to be Metroid from a few years ago ended up being Donkey Kong Country Returns
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: nickmitch on May 31, 2016, 11:11:52 PM
I had went to put Super Mario 3d maker in a previous post, but then my internet crashed. With Minecraft around why not? Althoug I imagine a Mario 3d maker would be more like tony hawk editor than minecraft. I made some awesome levels on Tony Hawk 2.
Retro's game is DK64: Returns, confirmed.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Wah on June 01, 2016, 12:44:28 AM
Guys we don't even know what the NX is! It could be a fuckin VR headset for all we know! So why are we doing this? XD
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ShyGuy on June 01, 2016, 12:55:04 AM
Surprise, Surprise, the Unity engine is coming to the NX.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2016, 01:33:40 AM
Is that an official logograph? There is VR hidden in it. |VR
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Wah on June 01, 2016, 05:35:56 AM
I WAS FUCKIN RIGHT!
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2016, 07:07:12 PM
I wouldn't doubt an nx version of Yooka Laylee would be available.
There is hope Shadow of the Eternals will show up again. After the failed kickstarter it just went dark. There seems to be some indication it is still being worked on in private. Hopefully Denis Dyack gets the project rolling.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Wah on June 01, 2016, 07:53:33 PM
You all doubted me! SAYING noooooooo! Nintendo wouldn't do VR! I WAS RIGHT! YOU CAN ALL SUCK A BIG FLOPPY UNCLE BOB PINGAS!
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Shaymin on June 01, 2016, 10:14:53 PM
There is hope Shadow of the Eternals will show up again. After the failed kickstarter it just went dark. There seems to be some indication it is still being worked on in private. Hopefully Denis Dyack gets the project rolling.
There's about as much hope as Elvis coming back.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on June 02, 2016, 12:31:24 AM
Rumor: Retro's game is a new Eternal Darkness. Not related to Shadow of the Eternals. Nintendo re-trademarked it, they need to make a game sometime, Or maybe they are getting Koei Tecmo to make it.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Lemonade on June 02, 2016, 01:00:47 AM
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on June 02, 2016, 01:35:41 AM
I could make the possible graphic that they would make, but you cant see it? I don't even know if that's an official logo from Nintendo, and due to historical precedent I doubt the system will be called NX. However, historical precedent has always been the code name for the system was cooler than the actual discussion. I kinda hope the discussion sticks to games we want to see at launch.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: EasyCure on June 02, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
I could make the possible graphic that they would make, but you cant see it? I don't even know if that's an official logo from Nintendo, and due to historical precedent I doubt the system will be called NX. However, historical precedent has always been the code name for the system was cooler than the actual discussion. I kinda hope the discussion sticks to games we want to see at launch.
I'm with Lemonade, I don't see it at all, but if you do want to make a graphic to point it out, just throw it in the rumor thread?
Back to games:
Many have pointed out that Mario should be there at launch, that Nintendo should be aggressive, but I'm on the other side of the fence and think that the next true 3d Mario should have the limelight, and if not a holiday 2017 release, maybe have it there by summer.
I still wouldn't want a NSMB title at launch, not that I have anything against the series, I just feel that to most it'll look like a mix of the Wii and Wii U launches to have a Zelda port and NSMB on day one.
Others have said Luigi's Mansion, but I don't think that would sell the way Mario does normally, but since it's launch it would probably sell better than it would of released later in the systems life. If one is being worked on, I'd bet on Luigi being there as an ambassador to the Mario universe, and hopefully Nintendo will tease a brand new Mario along with it to get the hype train going.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on June 02, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
So I was looking at the sales thread and Dragon Quest Heroes 2 is the big seller in Japan for this week. That's the Dragon Quest equivalent of Hyrule Warriors. The same team has cranked our Hyrule Warriors, Dragon Quest Heroes and Dragon Quest Heroes 2 each about a year apart. Clearly the Musou series doesn't require that long of a dev time. So something like Fire Emblem Warriors seems like a doable launch game. Hyrule Warriors 2 could also work but I think releasing that at the same time as a proper Zelda wouldn't make sense. I don't know what other Nintendo properties would work well with the series unless they went really nutty and made Super Smash Warriors. ****, that sounds awesome but I figure that might require a longer dev time to really get all the details right. Or even an NX port of the two Dragon Quest Heroes games in one package with some extra content could be valuable. Or go with the next obvious step and get Square Enix working on Final Fantasy Warriors which would be worthwhile even if it was multiplatform with the PS4.
Basically Musou + popular videogame IP = easy launch game. Not a killer app, but a good supporting launch title.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: TOPHATANT123 on June 02, 2016, 01:07:01 PM
Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon sold like crazy; 4.82 million copies worldwide. It's not a fair comparison but Super Mario 3D World on Wii U also sold 4.82 million copies. The GameCube version also did very well with 3.33 million. Luigi's Mansion 3 could make a great launch game but I feel that probably the best thing they could include at NX's launch is a new IP that would help kick start a franchise.
The next Hyrule Warriors could be a good call as a launch title, get the Zelda Wii U characters and locations and have some cross promotion.
Since Hyrule Warriors Wii U released in August-September 2014 a total of 7 Musou games have been released. So getting it out by launch may be logistically possible, but would you want two Zelda games out on the same day?
Samurai Warriors Chronicles 3 Samurai Warriors 4-II Dragon Quest Heroes: The World Tree's Woe and the Blight Below One Piece Pirate Warriors 3 Arslan: The Warriors Of Legend Hyrule Warriors Legends Dragon Quest Heroes: Twin Kings and the Prophecy's End
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on June 02, 2016, 05:22:54 PM
since, its far fetched and probably a graphic made by the website, i'll just make a direct link to the graphic.
http://i.imgur.com/GCAzVSD.png
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Evan_B on June 02, 2016, 08:35:08 PM
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on June 03, 2016, 01:31:15 AM
That's a better graphic.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: EasyCure on June 03, 2016, 09:23:46 AM
Perm: looks good but I doubt it's intentional. I don't think I ever would have seen that without your graphic, and unless Nintendo is still trying to be coy (assuming that thing if even official, which I doubt) then they'd already be doing a bad branding job.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on June 04, 2016, 12:33:29 AM
I was always keen on the perfect dark logo. Thats why I was reticent to make the logo. This stuff happens in my head, it doesn't mean much.
Speaking of derailment. There haven't been too many railroad games. There was that Zelda game with the train and then there was resident evil 0. What do you think the chances of the hd remakes of RE and RE0 popping up in the store? They have them out for xboxone and ps4.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Oedo on June 06, 2016, 10:19:16 PM
I'm surprised we haven't gotten a "Yooka-Laylee delayed for NX launch" joke yet. Such low-hanging fruit! It does make me wonder if Nintendo has singled out one or two smaller developers and blessed them with an NX development kit so that they can develop a cool little exclusive for the launch window.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Lemonade on June 06, 2016, 10:24:57 PM
It would be very nice to see it on NX at launch
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on June 06, 2016, 10:35:18 PM
you would hope NOA would be on top of that ****. Dev kits are out right? I know its NDA season.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: famicomplicated on June 12, 2016, 01:45:05 AM
you would hope NOA would be on top of that ****. Dev kits are out right? I know its NDA season.
Hmmm... you think NOA has a significant say in their parent company's actions?
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 12, 2016, 04:14:34 PM
I'm gonna go to NOA sometime this week, I'll find out what's up.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on June 12, 2016, 07:25:58 PM
wow you guys totally misread that, that was sarcasm. I don't think NOA has their **** together at all.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on September 26, 2016, 07:05:35 PM
I can imagine a winter 2017 Metroid game might be in the works by a 3rd party North American company. A trail of info seems to have been building for a while.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Louieturkey on September 27, 2016, 07:15:22 PM
I'm thinking we should have Beyond Good and Evil 2 for launch. (http://venturebeat.com/2016/09/27/beyond-good-evil-2-might-be-back-from-the-dead/)
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Oedo on September 27, 2016, 08:57:05 PM
The rumour earlier in the year was that it would be an NX game because Nintendo was paying for it, so the fact that he's thanking Ubisoft for "making this possible" throws a bit of a wrench into things. He obviously couldn't say "thanks Nintendo" because that would be tantamount to announcing an NX game, but it does strike me as a bit odd.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on September 27, 2016, 09:42:07 PM
Ubisoft did have to approve of the deal, even if Nintendo was paying, so I can see where some thanks can be spared for them. Especially if they don't want to spare any other revealing details on the nature of the project.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ShyGuy on September 27, 2016, 10:38:45 PM
The Beyond Good and Evil 2 talk has me hyped!
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 17, 2016, 12:08:14 PM
I'm a big proponent of launching Mario Kart as early as possible for a new console. It's one of the most consistent movers of Hardware, has broad appeal, and exhibits evergreen sales. Plus, the earlier they launch it the longer they can enjoy a long cycle of profitable DLC and updates to the game.
Mario Kart will more then likely be their big holiday 2017 title. That first holiday is going to be the most important time in the systems life so I'd imagine Nintendo wants a new Mario Kart to be it's flagship title during this time since Mario Kart is their biggest home console franchise right now.
See I don't like this at all. The first holiday is supposed to be about selling the system to the widest audience. Yes Mario Kart sells but every Nintendo console gets a Mario Kart, that's not something special thats just another game you expect to come out eventually. They need their first holiday to sell the system in order to do that they need the most variety they can get and they need 1 killer app that reaches beyond the usual core audience, Mario Kart has a large fan base but not as large as other games. They need to demonstrate they will have strong third party support up front and they themselves will bring as much variety as they can. Mario Kart is coming it can wait till year two, year one needs to get the games up front that draw in the people that want more than Mario Kart. It needs to be there, eventually and fairly early on, but not in the first year, that needs to go to a spectacular Mario flagship game and surround that with as much variety as you can from first and third parties. Plus a barrage of retro games on the VC or something to remind people there is more to it than just Smash and Mario Kart. Those games didn't move Game Cube or Wii U consoles.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Wah on October 17, 2016, 07:33:13 PM
I'm a big proponent of launching Mario Kart as early as possible for a new console. It's one of the most consistent movers of Hardware, has broad appeal, and exhibits evergreen sales. Plus, the earlier they launch it the longer they can enjoy a long cycle of profitable DLC and updates to the game.
Mario Kart will more then likely be their big holiday 2017 title. That first holiday is going to be the most important time in the systems life so I'd imagine Nintendo wants a new Mario Kart to be it's flagship title during this time since Mario Kart is their biggest home console franchise right now.
See I don't like this at all. The first holiday is supposed to be about selling the system to the widest audience. Yes Mario Kart sells but every Nintendo console gets a Mario Kart, that's not something special thats just another game you expect to come out eventually. They need their first holiday to sell the system in order to do that they need the most variety they can get and they need 1 killer app that reaches beyond the usual core audience, Mario Kart has a large fan base but not as large as other games. They need to demonstrate they will have strong third party support up front and they themselves will bring as much variety as they can. Mario Kart is coming it can wait till year two, year one needs to get the games up front that draw in the people that want more than Mario Kart. It needs to be there, eventually and fairly early on, but not in the first year, that needs to go to a spectacular Mario flagship game and surround that with as much variety as you can from first and third parties. Plus a barrage of retro games on the VC or something to remind people there is more to it than just Smash and Mario Kart. Those games didn't move Game Cube or Wii U consoles.
SO you want a generic FPS? Because that's what appeals to the mainstream these days.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 17, 2016, 07:45:54 PM
All I can say is Nintendo usually launches a system with a new racing game. If Nintendo launched the NX with 3 games or maybe 4. Mario Kart would be a good launch game.
Personally, If I was Nintendo I would go for:
Super Smash Bros NX All downloaded characters included plus Ice Climbers return, plus 1 new character. Zelda Breath of the Wild NX game Super Mario Kart NX Metroid or new Mario game. Which ever game is finished for March launch....the other should be the holiday title.
It is important for Nintendo to make a HUGE impact on launch. All the games listed would be easy to create/port. Would get huge attention and presents Nintendo's best franchises. I could see Nintendo not doing Mario Kart for F-Zero, but honestly Mario Kart seems like a better bet.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Oedo on October 17, 2016, 08:15:28 PM
Plus a barrage of retro games on the VC or something to remind people there is more to it than just Smash and Mario Kart. Those games didn't move Game Cube or Wii U consoles.
Those are two of Nintendo's best system sellers. Wii U sales were up 233% year over year in the U.S. the month after Mario Kart 8's release. The month after Smash for Wii U launched, the Wii U had its best selling month in the U.S. ever (at least up to that point). As far as the impact of any single game goes, those are two of the titans for Nintendo. The issue with the Wii U is that there were so many other things going against it that it didn't matter how much of a system seller any given game was (it did even have Call of Duty and Madden early on).
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 17, 2016, 08:50:41 PM
When I look at the other systems, I see that Nintendo is doing something the other systems are not. They are making games that CAN appeal to all ages...and have a focus on family or generational gaming. What I mean is I tried to search for games on PS4 that I could play with teenagers or children that are not M rated and are focused on multiplayer and well they just didn't exist. But if Nintendo can show that they have that classic magic still they can make a big splash in the market again.
That is why I think Super Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros are a big deal for launch and since the games would be easier to make than full 3D adventure games or First Person Shooters. Add to that Zelda and add to that a fully fledged day 1 Virtual Console. Don't trickle games out...these are old games that people have already bought. They want to transfer the games. They want to buy and play these games in new ways. The only thing I would do is build NET Code into the Virtual console to allow online play in all Virtual Console games and charge a small upgrade fee.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Agent-X- on October 18, 2016, 01:07:34 AM
All I can say is Nintendo usually launches a system with a new racing game. If Nintendo launched the NX with 3 games or maybe 4. Mario Kart would be a good launch game.
Personally, If I was Nintendo I would go for:
Super Smash Bros NX All downloaded characters included plus Ice Climbers return, plus 1 new character. Zelda Breath of the Wild NX game Super Mario Kart NX Metroid or new Mario game. Which ever game is finished for March launch....the other should be the holiday title.
It is important for Nintendo to make a HUGE impact on launch. All the games listed would be easy to create/port. Would get huge attention and presents Nintendo's best franchises. I could see Nintendo not doing Mario Kart for F-Zero, but honestly Mario Kart seems like a better bet.
That's easily a year's worth of Nintendo content, and you're talking about all of it being at launch... There's also no way they would release all those games in the same window for fear of cannibalizing sales during the critical buying window near a game's release. I could see maybe 2 of those showing up at launch (Zelda and new Mario) but not more--they will want to save the Smash Bros. NX port for a slower release period just like they should do with Mario Maker NX.
What Nintendo could do is work towards third party launch titles and titles for the holiday 2017 window. Rather than piling up their own releases, they could make sure there's a lot of really good games available for the system. :)
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 18, 2016, 01:32:51 AM
All I can say is Nintendo usually launches a system with a new racing game. If Nintendo launched the NX with 3 games or maybe 4. Mario Kart would be a good launch game.
Personally, If I was Nintendo I would go for:
Super Smash Bros NX All downloaded characters included plus Ice Climbers return, plus 1 new character. Zelda Breath of the Wild NX game Super Mario Kart NX Metroid or new Mario game. Which ever game is finished for March launch....the other should be the holiday title.
It is important for Nintendo to make a HUGE impact on launch. All the games listed would be easy to create/port. Would get huge attention and presents Nintendo's best franchises. I could see Nintendo not doing Mario Kart for F-Zero, but honestly Mario Kart seems like a better bet.
That's easily a year's worth of Nintendo content, and you're talking about all of it being at launch... There's also no way they would release all those games in the same window for fear of cannibalizing sales during the critical buying window near a game's release. I could see maybe 2 of those showing up at launch (Zelda and new Mario) but not more--they will want to save the Smash Bros. NX port for a slower release period just like they should do with Mario Maker NX.
What Nintendo could do is work towards third party launch titles and titles for the holiday 2017 window. Rather than piling up their own releases, they could make sure there's a lot of really good games available for the system. :)
Nintendo always launches new consoles with 3 or 4 games. I am not saying make a NEW Smash Brothers game. I am saying release Smash Bros Wii U with all the DLC and perhaps add Ice Climbers a character already created that just needs a new model and MAYBE one other character. So that game could easily be ready in time.
Nintendo almost always has a racing game available for a new system. Usually it is a low key release that will sell because it is new to a system. But what if Nintendo took the initiative to go big and just release a new Mario Kart? So you have Mario Kart 8 you just need to revamp the battle mode, and flesh out the Zero Gravity mode more...and design a few new courses. Mario Kart has been done for awhile and this project could be supervised by the main team and outsourced to another developer.
Now Zelda Breath of the Wild is NOT an NX game. It is a Wii U game, that they are releasing for the NX because of their circumstances with the Wii U failure. Yes, it will be better than the Wii U version. Probably have a few more special effects and better frame rate ect...but it did not require a massive team to upgrade or create a new game. So that makes sense.
So the only thing I am asking for is EITHER Mario or Metroid to be released around the time of the launch. Now Nintendo could wait and release one of those games in the summer months during the 3-4 month launch window of the system. Which would mean June...and that could be work. However, I still think Nintendo needs to make a huge splash for dominance. I could see them making A Super Mario World 3D 2 type game with 4 player online gameplay with 2 player local split screen that can join the online game. That could be fun...and perhaps could be designed fairly quickly.
We also know the Retro Games hasn't released a game in awhile and they probably have something for launch or launch window. So that is why I suggested Mario or Metroid.
Finally, my thoughts on the Virtual Console. I think Nintendo needs to just blow up their current Virtual Console strategy and go bigger and bolder. Release all their first party stuff day one, and then release 3rd party VC games when they are ready. I also think that Nintendo wants to get more money for those games...but can't realistically charge again for another transfer...unless they add something significant and added value to the experience...online multiplayer would be that deal...and if Nintendo did that, they could easy get people to pay to transfer their games. Imagine all those split screen games if Nintendo figured away to make it multiplayer win only one screen showing. Some old games would literally have new life.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Khushrenada on October 18, 2016, 03:12:57 AM
If Zelda: BotW is launching with the NX, then Nintendo is not going to release a Mario game beside it. I get your idea of making a splash but I don't think Nintendo is going to throw out a Mario and Zelda game together. It's never happened unless one game was for a console and one was for a handheld and even then, there's always been a bit of distance between the release of those titles. Zelda NX is a huge game. It's E3 coverage has shown that. It's a great title to have at launch.
Yes, there may be people that wait or buy a Wii U version but considering the userbase of the Wii U to this point, there is a good chance that there are many gamers that would be willing to buy an NX for Zelda because they don't own a Wii U and, if it is marketed right, picking up the NX may be preferable. There's also a good chance that a good chunk of the Wii U market will also be buying the NX at launch since the Wii U is pretty much dead with very little left for upcoming games outside of Zelda and some indie titles. They may be willing to jump ship to the NX and just get Zelda for it as well to have something to play on their new console. If you put out Mario Kart, Mario or Metroid with the NX, I think you risk a bigger split of sales. Why buy Zelda for the NX when I can get it for the Wii U and buy that other first party title for NX instead?
Of course, this goes back to Twilight Princess. It's hard to say what effect that had on Wii sales in the beginning because there are a lot of other factors at play like the Wiimote with motion controls for gaming and Wii Sports pack-in. The Wii version was released first to further entice gamers to switch over which may have sweetened the deal for many to skip the GC release and I expect that to most likely happen with the NX version as well.
Moreover, with the amount of time BotW has taken to get here and the marketing it for it that has begun since E3, do you really think Nintendo is going to suddenly undercut that hype by showing a new Mario or Mario Kart game to hype that up for launch time as well and suddenly make that the new hotness? Unveiling it along with the NX means they've got around 5 months to suddenly start getting the word out and hyping it up too which means they'd probably have to start showing a lot more of that game in comparison to Zelda which has now had many things already revealed about it.
I just don't think Nintendo is going to release a heavy hitter like that at the same time. I can't think of that ever having happened in their history. I think they will stay conservative. They'll watch what happens at launch with the first titles released and console sales and then adjust their software output accordingly like they've always done.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Khushrenada on October 18, 2016, 03:21:53 AM
Let's say that they released NX with Zelda, a new 3D Mario and even Smash Bros. Ultimate like you suggest with all DLC and Ice Climbers and one other new character. And yet despite all that, initial sales of the system are low. They sell 400,000 the first month, half of that the second and 100,000 the third month. What are they going to do now? Rush Mario Kart out in a last ditch effort? Mario Maker NX? Splatoon 2? Announce another 2D Mario game for fall? Turn back to the Wii U? Focus on the 3DS? Release another console? That is going to be a difficult spot to work themselves out of.
But let's say the NX faces that same first 3 months of sales but this time you've only released Zelda NX along with a couple other smaller first part efforts like the 3DS with Pilotwings and Steel Diver. By holding back on some first party titles, you've got better maneuverability with your software output to decide how you want to combat these sluggish sales. Perhaps now you'd throw out Smash Bros. Ultimate. It's not going to use up too many resources and doesn't affect much in the way of a true Smash Bros. Successor. Does that help make a difference? If you are thinking you may have to pull the plug on the console and just release something that is the same as a PS console, you've still got an option to do so with a 3D Mario game or Mario Kart at launch for it because you haven't put out those games on the NX and hopefully haven't tarnished them from the failure of that system.
If, on the other hand, the NX is very successful or has a decent launch, by holding back those titles and spacing out their release, then they should keep giving the console an extra boost every couple months in sales and interest to keep up sustained momentum give off consumer confidence that this is a healthy console that can keep sustaining gamer's demands for new games and titles to play on it. Nintendo was fortunate with the Wii because the PS3 was launched at the same time but it was outselling it so it looked better than its competitor for doing so which helped it in the media as news outlets talked about its success. It had the appeal and wonder of motion controls so that many people were willing to buy the console to experience that and maybe buy some other 3rd party early launch games they wouldn't have done with normal controls.
But the only thing Nintendo really did to sustain that momentum was release Wii Play which was basically a free game for those that wanted a second Wiimote. There was Super Paper Mario which was basically a finished GC game that was also ported over to the Wii like TP. Excite Truck was at launch and WarioWare Smooth Moves was, I think, a month or two after launch. It wasn't until Metroid Prime 3 was released almost 9 months after launch that Nintendo then began delivering most of their heavy hitters like Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart and Smash Bros. while at the same time being able to succeed on casual titles like Wii Fit still. Nintendo waited awhile before they finally started putting out their most popular software. They also had the luxury of being able to wait with how well console sales were but, if needed, one imagines they could have possibly rushed up the release of some of those titles by a few months.
The Wii followed the pattern of most Nintendo hardware releases. Launch a system with one big franchise title and a couple smaller or new IPs and then wait half a year at least before starting to release some bigger titles after seeing the market's reception.
One other factor I just remembered that differed with the Wii was the early launch of the Virtual Console which was a new concept at the time and helped sustain momentum with the slow trickle of classic games one could get during that post launch period. The novelty is the VC is gone so they can't rely on that slow trickle again like they tried with Wii U. Unless they can do something to revitalize interest in the VC, they can't expect gamers to be excited about Metroid NES or Paper Mario 64 being released on VC again to pass the time while waiting for the next NX release.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 18, 2016, 04:01:28 AM
Very well explicated, Khushrenada.
I wouldn't be quite so bearish, though, given that theoretically the handheld and console outputs will be merged, so there should be a steadyish flow of software in the first year, even if there isn't a true post-Zelda blockbuster until holiday 2017. But I could see Pikmin 4 in the launch window, or something on the level of a Luigi's Mansion game. A non-Mario Kart racing game that takes advantage of the hardware's features could be a good bet as well.
Also, regarding the dilemma about Nintendo blowing their load or not at launch, I think they're kinda fucked either way if the first months of sales are as sluggish as your speculation.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Khushrenada on October 18, 2016, 04:32:52 AM
Now it is late and Spak-Spang suckered me into making some more of my patented wall of text posts so I'm just going to throw out my idea of what I think would make a good NX launch.
Nintendo releases Breath of the Wild. Just like that, it's already a good launch. But to sweeten the deal, I expect Nintendo to release a new first party type of software like they've been doing with Nintendoland, Steel Diver, Wii Sports and Pikmin. The DS is the odd one out on that recent trend. It's the type of software meant to really showcase features of the new hardware (unless they feel Zelda does that well enough.) What that could be is hard to say but let's say the hybrid console theory is correct. The portable portion may be able to interact with other portables devices a la streetpass. Thus, it may be a game or minigames based on the concept of streetpassing but perhaps at a higher level of interaction or a next step that Nintendo has figured out to take with that concept. It could possibly even be packed in or preinstalled on the system depending on the size of the game.
Spak-Spang is right about a racing game usually being there close to launch though it isn't always Nintendo that's releasing a racing game. That said, I think if Nintendo was to have a racing game, I would turn to the F-Zero franchise and use that as a way of promoting the system and its online capabilities and infrastructure. Nintendo seems down on the sales expectations from a potential new F-Zero release so if they do want to give that series another kick at the can, making it available at launch and early in the system's life may be the way to give it the sales needed to make it a viable release option and get more customers than releasing it at other points in the console's life cycle. At least this way, Nintendo looks like it is giving the NX big support from the get-go with two franchise offerings at the beginning with Zelda and the lesser F-Zero which at least conveys more hardcore gamer appeal and support. F-Zero won't overshadow Zelda but it will still get solid hype just for being an F-Zero release after all this time. Much like Kid Icarus got a lot of press when the 3DS was promoted and launched even though it ended up coming out later than launch. You don't have to promote a racing game as much. Plus, if they do it right and have online racing, it could be a showcase for the NX's online capabilities as that would be a good title to use to highlight that Nintendo is serious about its online infrastructure being comparable to that of the PS Plus or XB Live and hopefully let 3rd parties see that they could bring those same experiences to the NX.
After that, its up to 3rd parties to make a splash like usual. Beyond Good and Evil 2 could help with that but the first game did not sell that well despite being a multiplatform release, IIRC. Thus, I'm not sure how much actual support a sequel would bring about in NX sales but it at least sends a message to consumers like the Bayonetta sequel that Nintendo does care about a core gamer experience. With Cloud appearing in Smash Wii U, perhaps an announcement of the FF7 remake coming to the NX can further seal the deal in winning over gamers that skipped the Wii U and giving the system a vibrant and strong launch.
After 2 months, release Fire Emblem Warriors, a sequel to Hyrule Warriors but with Fire Emblem characters designed to further help keep some of the kiddy image at bay during the launch period. That puts us in May. In another 2 months, if Pikmin 4 does exist and is not the 3DS game, then it might be time to release that. If not, then perhaps a new Mario Party would be an idea to give the system some multiplayer experiences or even better, a new Fortune Street further showing a stronger partnership of Square Enix and Nintendo. Or perhaps an RPG. Maybe Nintendo takes a chance with having Dragon Quest 11 released in North America a few months after its release in Japan.
In any case, the 4-5 month period after launch I would expect to be a bit quiet with titles that are interesting and have some appeal but may not be considered system sellers. They pad the line-up with different experiences at least. That puts to the end of August and start of September and that is when you start hammering the competition with some bigger titles like a Mario Platformer whether 2D or 3D. (3D would be preferable so the 2D would really have to hit it out of the park.) Mario Kart might be a possibility. Splatoon 2 seems reasonable to put out at this time with 2 years having gone by since the first one launched. Whatever Retro Studios has up their sleeve will most likely be a solid release. If the hybrid theory is correct and the 3DS is getting phased out, then perhaps there may even be a Pokémon game to have ready at this point. The cynical expectation might be a Diamond/Pearl remake but perhaps a new Pokémon Snap that one uses the portable portion of the console to take pictures of Pokémon in the real world a la Pokémon Go. With Animal Crossing: New Leaf now being about 4 - 5 years old, the public may be ready for a new AC experience. New Leaf brought the franchise to its best sales and Nintendo is clearly trying to cater and appeal to that market by focusing more on the AC franchise but nothing has worked as strongly as the main entries.
That's at least 5 titles which should all bring about big public interest in the NX and should lead to big sales all through the fall and winter season. Heck, maybe you even hold one or two back depending on what else may be available. Mario Kart I could see holding off until March or April a year after launch. In one year, you'll still have a system with Zelda, Mario, Animal Crossing, Pokémon, Splatoon, F-Zero and whatever Retro Studios is working on. Maybe Metroid maybe something else. That would be one of the most solid yearlong line-ups Nintendo has ever released on a console even if Mario Kart just misses the year mark. There's still a lot you can start prepping and have ready to release for the second year as well.
Finally, going back to the 4-5 month period after launch, even if Nintendo trickles out a couple titles, one thing that could be done to help keep up gamer interest and release more titles for the NX system could be the Virtual Console. But I'm not talking about VC games already released on the Wii U. I agree with Spak-Spang. Have the current VC ready at Day 1. That said, now might be the time to start releasing games for the GameCube and Dreamcast Virtual Console if Nintendo can work out a deal with Sega. With the titles for those 2 libraries, you could slowly trickle out games for them during this period as that would probably get a lot more interest than another re-release of NES or SNES games. Plus, there would still be indie games coming along at this time that may be of interest too.
Well, hope you enjoyed the Khushrenada NX Launch Fantasy. If you want year 2 of my NX fan-fiction. Just ask. Good night, all!
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on October 18, 2016, 05:32:37 AM
interesting
a couple reason why they should release a full load of games at launch.
NES kinda did it. OK so NES didn't really do it, but if you look at time as a fractional thing. 3 years in the 80s equals 6 months now. I had this poster back in the day.
It basically tells you what games are on the system and what games to buy. Not all NES systems sold at once.
Today you have to put all your chips on the table. The public doesn't want a few chips at a time. They want chips and chips and more chips.
The other reason why Nintendo should do this? They didn't even do the chips at a time one WiiU. Where were the Zelda and Metroid games?
Why were the Mario games all 2d or glorified 3ds games (yeah, , I finally bought into Mario 3d world and it clearly was designed for 3ds and not wii u, theres some parts of the game where depth perception breaks and you know they were meant for a 3d screen)
Nintendo should be making at least 2 per system plus new games.They have been lacking in output and they need to resolve the gap and then some.
That is all they need to do get the public's trust back. They need steady output. The last 4 years were not even a time to lower output, they were actually economically good years.
Will they finally resolve this? Maybe one day. IDK n64 and Gamecube output from Nintendo and it's subsidiaries were more substantial. At least they got RPGs going for them now.
I don't want NX to be this super powerful beast with a one button port of Super Mario Run.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 18, 2016, 06:11:10 AM
The NX needs a consistent flow of games. They can't do it like the Wii U where the first post-launch first party game didn't come out for over six months.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Shaymin on October 18, 2016, 07:23:46 AM
And was a good but load-time encumbered Lego game, of all things.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 18, 2016, 10:28:19 AM
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Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on October 18, 2016, 02:26:20 PM
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sm2k "NX is different" from wii u
Supposedly.
It could be some gimmicky thing no one likes despite Ubisofts enthusiasm. It could be wonderful.
Even if it does well the first few years when Sony and Microsoft make their next move, will the third party support immediately jump ship?
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 18, 2016, 04:00:46 PM
Well I am basing this on the all but confirmed belief it is a portable and a console and will have a steady stream of games. At any past generation if the entire Nintendo library was unified on ONE console, Nintendo would have OWNED that generation, but when you look at the console side separate from the handheld side then yes we see a trend of 3rd parties snubbing Nintendo.
Sure if it's just Wii U 2.0 with a different name then nobody will care. If it's a new take on VR, something I would also expect and get excited about because the one thing Wii did right was get me excited for VR then they dropped the ball. If they see Sony doing VR right this time and they realize they actually have the better tech and better games then it could be interesting.
If it's a gaming tablet with detachable controllers and TV out with a unified eshop and VC it will still have a mass appeal. There is not losing scenario here with the information we have present.
There is also a difference between, enthusiastic support for a new console, and this thing is a game changer. I read from Ubisofts comments this sounds like a game changer, to me that is promising. Even if its a **** gimmick many of us bitch about for years, we're still likely to buy it if there is a steady stream of games and the price is right, that is ALL that matters in the end and its one thing Nintendo seems to forget.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on October 18, 2016, 04:32:09 PM
To really sell a console you need at least one game that comes across as a must play where there really is nothing comparable to it on any other platform. That's what Super Mario Bros did and that's what Wii Sports did. The Wii U launch was such a failure at that. NSMB U? If I want a game like that, the 3DS has one, the DS and Wii had one. Essentially the NES and SNES had one. A new entry on familiar gameplay isn't a bad thing but it isn't something that gets people excited in buying a whole new system. There was also Nintendo Land which is somewhat unique but it just wasn't a concept that was that exciting. It failed on the "must play" part.
The NX is launching from a position of weakness. The assumption already is that a Nintendo console is not worth your time unless you really like Nintendo games and feel it is worth your while to pay a premium to have a second console just for them. The usual Nintendo franchises done in a typical way aren't going to change anyone's opinion. If anything that will just confirm their biases.
Is Breath of the Wild a big enough deal to be an exception to that? Well it's not actually an exclusive but then the Wii U isn't a widely owned console either so it isn't like that many are going to stick with their Wii U instead. It's definitely shaking up the Zelda format and comes across as ambitious but is it ambitious by general standards? It's really Nintendo branching into the open world genre that has already been done by everyone else. I'm sure it will be an amazing game but will it stand out from its peers?
To me the ideal killer app would be the full 3D console Pokémon RPG Nintendo has for some reason sat on for 20 years despite it being such an obvious system seller that probably would have saved the Gamecube singlehandedly (and don't anyone try to pass off the Cube RPGs where you don't even COLLECT POKEMON as a legit attempt). Or Nintendo needs to really knock everyone for a loop with something that's unique but also comes across as a big deal. Novelties and gimmicks are unique but they lack substance. This needs to be the sort of game that 30 years from now is brought up as one of the most important games ever released. This needs to be Pac-Man, Super Mario Bros, Street Fighter II, Doom kind of stuff. Of course I have no idea what that would be because I'm not some genius game designer that can come up with the next big thing.
Though I expect Zelda and some predictable stuff and some unpredictable but gimmicky stuff. Though Zelda at least comes across as a big ambitious game and that will make a world of difference compared to the lukewarm Wii U launch titles.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Khushrenada on October 18, 2016, 05:01:14 PM
If it's a new take on VR, something I would also expect and get excited about because the one thing Wii did right was get me excited for VR then they dropped the ball. If they see Sony doing VR right this time and they realize they actually have the better tech and better games then it could be interesting.
VR would absolutely shock me. After the failure of the Virtual Boy, I just think Nintendo would be very, very cautious of trying to get on board that trend and any concept that involves users wearing a headset or tech like that. I just feel that VR is one of the last things Nintendo would try or jump on board for.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on October 18, 2016, 05:25:11 PM
I was at a Best Buy in Phoenix and there was a crowd around the Occulus booth. All I could think about is "yeah, I did that **** with the Wii. Look at this guy standing around with his head set on. You know what's great? Sitting down and relaxing to play games on a regular controller"
We all think Facebook is indestructible, but Occulus could really tank the company. I've never seen much in the way of VR designed game with depth. It's usually about as depthy as Wii Play or some 1 dollar smart phone game.
I hope Nintendo in no way follows this trend.
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Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 19, 2016, 12:37:32 AM
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I am going to assume your just joking or bullshitting as you normally do. You really think a FAILURE from over 20 years ago is in any way at all affecting their current decisions? If that was the case they would be doing everything in their power to replicate the SNES and they have done the exact opposite for basically that same amount of time.
Clearly I was ribbing, joking not being antagonistic. I am sorry you took it that way I didn't mean for it to be. Honest.
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Everyone says they shouldn't buy support or pay for exclusives, I say why the **** not?
Okay that sounds harsher than I meant it to. Rephrase it like this, they did it before why can't they do it now?
The ONLY reason the SNES had the library it did was they basically forced developers to make games for them. They can't achieve that level of strong arming today but they sure as hell have the money to bride every developer in the industry including Sony to make games for them.
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In the real world money talks, Nintendo is just to damn arrogant to give a **** they don't want market share, they don't want games they just want to play it safe and hoard their money. Nothing wrong with that from a business stand point, which is why if they ever go the way of Sega, Atari, or Coleco no skin of my back, you think I sit around crying that I can't shop at Radio Shack or rent movies at Blockbuster video anymore? Nope. Games are games, if Nintendo stops making games **** it the world will go on. Will it be the same? No but as Ian has pointed out time and again, New Super Mario series and Galaxy/Sunshin/Mario 64 are NOT the same thing so the world has already changed. There is no going back. Like it or not Wii was Virtual Reality, it didn't have the headset but it had the immersion. Why would I be more okay with a true VR experience and not the half assed Wii? Because in a full immersed VR set up where I am alone in my living room I can go into a totally exotic world and truly feel like I am there. With Wii I was just playing the same old games I always played but now I could wave the remote around. For all my bitching and groaning yes I did enjoy motion controlls, at first, and yes I had hopes they would eventually lead to VR, I am sure you could dig up my old posts where I pretty much claimed Wii would lead to VR but then that would make me right and we can't live in a world where I was ever right now can we?
This was all late night ranting nothing meant to be take so seriously I strike it from the record.
Okay maybe I was just overly optimistic but before this fucking you know what made all of us into pessimists I have always been more or less optimistic anyways. I usually become bitter after things don't live up to my unrealistic expectations, I just don't like to live in a bubble where I can pretend I give a **** about games with yarn mechanics. That's just me. Or is it? Nintendo has been shrinking every generation maybe it isn't ME that has been wrong all this time, maybe it's those of you, not all, but those that just eat up whatever Nintendo makes and forces yourselves to accept it no matter what.
This was rude, it was also belligerent and uncalled for, I concede that. Sometimes I say things to be blunt but I don't mean them to be rude or in anger they are said in jest or as venting.
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If it isn't VR now the next one will be. Splatton pretty much proved Nintendo was not quite done with Moton Controls and considering it is one of their best selling games of the last few years and Pokemon Go is in the same ballpark as VR yeah I suspect they will continue down that path until they eventually settle. Those of you still thinking VR is not going to take off have been ignoring the media blitz VR has been getting and all the positive reactions. This isn't virtual boy or lawnmower man, this is Wii controls with Playstation power and real dedicated 3rd party support. VR is not the future it is now, accept it.
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Save this post come back in 5 years and call me a damn lunatic then or accept the truth I am right more than I am wrong even if I am an ass about it. I just don't usually care about the why things did or didn't work out, I am usually good at reading people and I have yet to meet someone in real life that thinks VR is bad. On the contrary they all are either really excited for it, or really hopeful for the next iteration. The only people I encounter that are against it are old school gamers that just somehow think it's nothing but Virtual Boy all over again. I don't even have to be proven right or wrong, I don't care, but I really truly believe it is here to stay for good this time and once it becomes standard all future consoles will come with some sort of head set until they can develop something better in the future.
The bold part was a joke, as in a reference to your constant digging up old posts, I assumed, incorrectly I guess, that you would have seen that as a reference to your previous banter and taken it as such. Since that didn't come across I apologize.
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Ian, your flat wrong. Super Mario Bros. sold NES, Super Mario World sold SNES, Super Mario 64 sold N64, the lack of a real Mario game at launch hurt the Game Cube and by the time it hit it was not the Mario game people asked for. The New Super Mario games sell gangbusters and if not for them Super Mario Maker wouldn't exist. Super Mario 3D World needed to be at launch or closer to launch, but Nintendo wasn't ready for HD, they had no choice but to do what they did, they have grown since then I am 100 percent they know they need a real Mario game right away. But they need more than that, they need to get as many segments of their fanbase on board right away as possible. Add to that this time around there won't be two different Mario games like you are describing, which to your credit is a good point, this time around, if the rumors are true which at this point everything pretty much suggests they are highly likely, then there won't be two different games and there isn't a new 3DS on the way so that scenario doesn't fit. DS launched with Super Mario 64 DS and it didn't move systems it sold the fanbase on the console, they just needed to move beyond that die hard fanbase which Wii U failed to do, Wii did not.
This wasn't meant to be a personal attack, I see how it could be interpreted as such, I assume Ian shrugs these sorts of posts of by now as I have seen him do a thousand times. I didn't meant it to be personal just a specific reply to a person in the thread whose points I wanted to address.
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At you know what, I am wrong to, we all are, because at the end of the day NOTHING EVER MAKES SENSE when it comes to Nintendo, they have never and WILL NEVER be predictable. That is part of why they stick around. Also news flash, there s no secret formula if there as the PS4 would have bombed because it broke ALL the rules and still continues to sell well.
I thought for sure this paragraph was enough to demonstrate I wasn't at all being confrontational but whatever. I guess it was buried too deep, glossed over, or whatever.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 19, 2016, 12:46:24 AM
The short versions for those that don't want to read.
Rat says people are wrong, they say he is wrong everybody is wrong and we all move on. The gust was I think VR is here to stay and Nintendo will be as unpredictible as always. Ian I meant no disrespect. Oh and I stayed up way to late so its likely there are more spelling mistakes than usual, as per classic you know me. Stay cool everyone.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Khushrenada on October 19, 2016, 02:39:00 AM
supermario2k, this is not meant to be an insult but I would like to suggest that maybe you take a day off or two from the forums. You are starting to get yourself worked up a bit here and coming across like you feel you are under attack by everyone for posting your thoughts. You are not. Perhaps a little distance from the forums will correct your perception of how people are viewing you.
I am going to assume your just joking or bullshitting as you normally do. You really think a FAILURE from over 20 years ago is in any way at all affecting their current decisions? If that was the case they would be doing everything in their power to replicate the SNES and they have done the exact opposite for basically that same amount of time.
No, I'm giving my actual take on how I think Nintendo would operate in regards to implementing VR. Gunpei Yokoi was tarnished by the Virtual Boy failure and left the company and sadly died later by accident. He was a big piece of Nintendo's early success and many of the top decision makers at Nintendo are still there from when that all went down and so I think their view of VR is skewed negatively because of that. I think they would be the ones most skeptical of the possibility of VR gaming and very hard to convince in greenlighting development towards implementing it. I could be wrong but humans are not necessarily rational and we develop emotional responses to things that can be hard to overcome and shake.
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Everyone says they shouldn't buy support or pay for exclusives, I say why the **** not? The ONLY reason the SNES had the library it did was they basically forced developers to make games for them. They can't achieve that level of strong arming today but they sure as hell have the money to bride every developer in the industry including Sony to make games for them. In the real world money talks, Nintendo is just to damn arrogant to give a **** they don't want market share, they don't want games they just want to play it safe and hoard their money. Nothing wrong with that from a business stand point, which is why if they ever go the way of Sega, Atari, or Coleco no skin of my back, you think I sit around crying that I can't shop at Radio Shack or rent movies at Blockbuster video anymore? Nope.
While the pros and cons of buying exclusives could be debated again here, I'm not interested in doing that. I have a feeling that countering as to why I don't think that is a good idea will just lead you to feel like everything you say is being attacked. To me, it seems like you are posting with a chip on your shoulder right now. "No skin off my back." "You think I sit around crying..." "just to damn arrogant to give a ****". Why so angry?
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Games are games, if Nintendo stops making games **** it the world will go on. Will it be the same? No but as Ian has pointed out time and again, New Super Mario series and Galaxy/Sunshin/Mario 64 are NOT the same thing so the world has already changed. There is no going back. Like it or not Wii was Virtual Reality, it didn't have the headset but it had the immersion. Why would I be more okay with a true VR experience and not the half assed Wii? Because in a full immersed VR set up where I am alone in my living room I can go into a totally exotic world and truly feel like I am there. With Wii I was just playing the same old games I always played but now I could wave the remote around. For all my bitching and groaning yes I did enjoy motion controlls, at first, and yes I had hopes they would eventually lead to VR, I am sure you could dig up my old posts where I pretty much claimed Wii would lead to VR but then that would make me right and we can't live in a world where I was ever right now can we?
It is alright with me if there is a matter where you are right and I am wrong. Who has said we can't live in a world where you were ever right? You seem to be lashing out at the world suddenly but I'm not sure why. No one is putting you down right now. You are also not the only one who thought the concept of motion controls could lead to VR. A lot of people thought that motion control gaming could be the first step to that path. Stogi made a thread talking about how he thought the future of entertainment would be gaming with immersive experiences like VR around the early part of the Wii U years, IIRC. I'm not quite sure what exact point you are making in this paragraph since you just seem to be ranting about a few issues at once. Again, why so angry?
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Okay maybe I was just overly optimistic but before this fucking you know what made all of us into pessimists I have always been more or less optimistic anyways. I usually become bitter after things don't live up to my unrealistic expectations, I just don't like to live in a bubble where I can pretend I give a **** about games with yarn mechanics. That's just me. Or is it? Nintendo has been shrinking every generation maybe it isn't ME that has been wrong all this time, maybe it's those of you, not all, but those that just eat up whatever Nintendo makes and forces yourselves to accept it no matter what.
Breathe, man. It's just videogames. Who says you have to live in a bubble and pretend to like Yarn Mechanics? No one. You've never had to. Here you give another jab at the world in general to say that you are right and everyone else is wrong about.... yarn games, I guess? But, why? You're trying to tell people that you are right because you don't like some Nintendo products that others do and word it to sound like they are sheeple and you aren't. Why is that the only possibility? Why are you so upset that some people like something you don't? Why are you bringing up this stuff if you are talking about VR? Let go of your hatred for yarn.
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If it isn't VR now the next one will be. Splatton pretty much proved Nintendo was not quite done with Moton Controls and considering it is one of their best selling games of the last few years and Pokemon Go is in the same ballpark as VR yeah I suspect they will continue down that path until they eventually settle.
That could very well be the case. It is all speculation anyways. Nintendo may not have fully given up on motion controls like other companies but they've definitely diminished the amount of games using them after the Wii. That's why I'm very curious to see what direction the NX is going to take in regards to controls.
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Those of you still thinking VR is not going to take off have been ignoring the media blitz VR has been getting and all the positive reactions. This isn't virtual boy or lawnmower man, this is Wii controls with Playstation power and real dedicated 3rd party support. VR is not the future it is now, accept it.
Well, I would beg to differ about the media blitz since I have not heard much discussion about VR at all in my life aside from some passing talk about it here on these forums. Pokémon Go had a media blitz. News stories on it were inescapable for awhile and even complete non-gamers at my work were talking about for days. Whatever is happening with VR hasn't come close to that kind of media blitz or coverage. No one else in my life has mentioned it or brought it up. But that's just my take on it based on my anecdotal evidence.
If VR does take off, then so be it. I'm not leading a campaign against it. I'm not sure why you are crusading so hard for it. You've already posted that you become bitter when things don't meet your unrealistic expectations. I caution you to be careful about VR because you may be repeating that pattern again and might end up blasting VR and not liking it later just like motion controls. To me, VR and its future are still up for speculation. Nothing is concrete about it yet.
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Save this post come back in 5 years and call me a damn lunatic then or accept the truth I am right more than I am wrong even if I am an ass about it. I just don't usually care about the why things did or didn't work out, I am usually good at reading people and I have yet to meet someone in real life that thinks VR is bad. On the contrary they all are either really excited for it, or really hopeful for the next iteration. The only people I encounter that are against it are old school gamers that just somehow think it's nothing but Virtual Boy all over again. I don't even have to be proven right or wrong, I don't care, but I really truly believe it is here to stay for good this time and once it becomes standard all future consoles will come with some sort of head set until they can develop something better in the future.
Well, sure. If something is a good idea and a proven success that sets a standard for game development then it will be adopted by the industry because that's what has always happened. I'm glad people you've met are excited for it like you seem to be. I'm cautious and less positive about it because I've seen other people reject VR concepts or be critical of their potential. VR isn't being determined based on your postings in favor of it nor by my postings skeptical of it.
On a different note, you say to save this post and come back to it in 5 years but then you later say you don't care or have to be proven right or wrong. Instead of contradicting yourself, why not just leave those sentences out of your post altogether? "I am right more than I am wrong even if I am an ass about it." Why do you have to be an ass about it at all? Instead of getting yourself worked up like you are with this post and throwing shade at all kinds of people, places and things in an angry tone, why not hit the pause button? Take a moment to read over your post first. You seem to have read it over after you hit the post button and then made a second post to just give the gist of it. Perhaps you realized on reading it that you could have phrased things better or that you included a lot unnecessary parts. There is an edit button. You can always go back and remove the parts that don't have to do with the topic on hand while leaving or possibly strengthening and adding to the stuff that is relevant and on point. You can fix up any spelling or grammar issues you see as well. I do this with many of my posts.
The big walls of text I posted before in this thread detailing why I didn't think it was wise to launch with Zelda, Mario, and Mario Kart while also describing my version of a good NX launch were edited a few times before posting. I read what I'd written a few times over. I checked the formatting to try and keep what I could in smaller paragraphs and to make sure my points were clear. I'm doing it with my reply to you. Sometimes, I've written a lengthy post and then as I re-read it, I've wondered whether it is even necessary and backed out without posting it. I've kept myself from posting some fast rants or getting involved in flame wars because of it. It's not a fool-proof solution as I've still got into such a situation but at least doing that limits the amount of times I've gotten involved in it.
Making an effort to be diplomatic, to try and read your posts from the viewpoint of someone else who can't see the emotion behind them, may be difficult and take some extra work to post something but the end result will usually be better for it and you may end up happier with what you are contributing. Moreover, the more you keep doing it, the better you'll get at it and it will just become routine. Frankly, you also seem to also be upset with your own postings and how you post in addition to these other things you mention in the post. Perhaps if you try changing the way you are currently posting and slowing it down, you may find your mood improving.
That's just some of the stuff I thought about when reading your post. I thought I'd take the time and share it with you to give you some insight on my perspective and because you may find it helpful or beneficial. There will be no short version. Not my style. ;)
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 19, 2016, 10:11:33 AM
Maybe because I wasn't angry. :P: : : I know you seem to think I always am even when I am not. Maybe nobody ever explained the nature of a rant to you, it is a stress release measure, in other words it is something people do to blow off steam. Also in case you still haven't learned, I am not as angry as you keep making me out to be, I am blunt, which often makes me come off as rude, but blunt and rude are also not equal to angry. So please stop anlyzing me and pretending you know when I am angry even when I am not, thanks.
As for the NX library, I am not looking at it from the perspective it will be a sequel to the Wii U or a repeat of their previous console practices. I am trying to look at it broader than that, from the perspective of the shared library concept.
SO I see it being like this, to Ian's credit yes looking at the Wii U games and 3DS games side by side on the same shelf it would be hard to pick the Wii U. But if you combine all of those games into 1 console, yes you get a couple less games total because you just have the 1 Mario game instead of three, fair enough, but you end up with more games total.
They could launch with Mario Kart right away, but they have never done that, ever. No console or handheld has ever launched with a Mario Kart. Do they need it out sooner rather than later, yes but they don't necessarily need it at launch. At launch they need as much variety as they can get, both from the different factions within the Nintendo fanbase, also the casuals and lapsed gamers or the ones that have moved on, they certain can win a chunk of them back they seem to do it often enough to suspect they can, and from the gamers that remember Nintendo fondly but want more games.
Even most of the die hard Sony gamers who snub the Nintendo CONSOLE still pick up or consider the Nintendo Handheld, and for good reason even when the console library does suck, the handheld always complements that. So if there is just ONE device on the shelf but instead of having 5 console games and 12 handheld games you end up with 17 total games, suddenly the system looks better.
Khush, fair enough you think VR is a joke but everyone in the industry is behind it, everyone in the industry is doing something with it.
Also, um how can anyone say VR is only good for one or two games? The entire industry is built on the First Person Shooter, the ENTIRE INDUSTRY revolves around Halo, Call of Duty, Doom, and a few other copy cats. Those games are perfect fit for VR. Even if only half of the Call of Duty and Halo players adopt VR that is still MORE than the entirety of Wii U gamers and 3DS gamers combined. I mean you would have to be really skeptical to think that the same gamers who propped up the entire Xbox division on 75 percent or more FPS games is not going to fall in love with a machine that makes the FPS experience more immersive.
Not to mention the elephant in the room, the thing everyone I know and you too if you stop lying to yourself, the dirty stuff is going to sell VR. Skype is going to make VR a hit too. If Facebook can let a user create a virtual living room to invite their family over during a virtual sit down then the grandmas and grandpas are going to get behind it. This is not the 90's VR where it was blocky 32X style graphics, this is the immersive experience the world that FLOCKED to Avatar for that fake 3D experience has been waiting for. If Nintendo was not working towards a VR system eventually why did the Wii exist at all? What about the DS or even adding that 3D to the DS for the sequel? Their entire corporate platform has always been centered around allowing gamers to touch their games and interact with them in new ways. Hello Rob the Robot, Zapper, Wii remote, when Nintendo is at their most successful it is when they have a simple integrated interactive experience.
The difference is Mario isn't a perfect fit for VR to someone that hated Mario 64 but try to picture that game in VR, where you get to experience the rush of running and jumping and seeing the world from that guys perspective, and then tell me there isn't any reason to pick it up. I mean I think the people resisting are only doing so for the typical fear of change reasons which is odd coming from a bunch of fans that embraced the Wii in the first place.
Also you seem to forget Virtual Boy was NOT VR, it was a weird experiment so that whole emotional thing might not apply, they might actually be able to separate the odd experiment from the current reality did you ever consider that?
Also I will say this again, as I skimmed your post earlier, I was not angry so stop trying to read my posts like I was. If you do that you might not be so antagonistic towards me. Also you can disagree with me and I won't see it as a personal attack, I pointed out past true personal attacks and those people either backed off or have left the site so I never accused YOU khush of that, never not once. I accused you only of stabbing me in the back, confiding in you things I shouldn't have, assuming we were friends only to see you take my vulnerabilities and make them public and pile on whenever everyone else does make fun of me. But I shrug it off.
I was not saying they should buy exclusives I was merely pointing out that would be their ONLY want to get back to SNES levels of support, considering the SNES only had that support because they forced people to make games for them in the first place, which incase you forgot history that pre-dates the virtual boy, Nintendo used to bully companies hence why they fled them en mass and have yet to return. Maybe all those people at Id, Midway, Capcom, EA, Rockstar, etc, are just as irratonally emotional and that explains why Nintendo never gets support in which case they never will unless they buy it.
You seem to forget the same Nintendo that refused to go HD when the entire industry begged them to, refused to go CD Rom when the entire industry begged them to, refused to give 3rd parties the time of day when making Wii U and did their own thing is the same Nintendo that pissed everyone off in the 90's and early 2000's and apparently is still doing it today. We can rationalize every decision we want all day long but if the potential for money is slim to begin with and companies are made up of emotional people, which I agree can motivate them, then there is NOTHING Nintendo can do to make amends shy of BRIBING. Would it be the smart move, no but it would be SMARTER than the path they have been on for 35 years pushing the ENTIRE industry away from them.
Will they embrace VR, YES just like they did embrace optical, HD, and online, will they do it the same as everyone else, probably not which is why YOU are not excited for it, because YOU know the VR THEY implement will suck and thus VR will suck, to YOU. But the rest of the world will embrace it, enjoy it and push it forward while Nintendo sits in the corner pouting nobody likes them. :P:
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 19, 2016, 11:49:43 AM
Maybe because I wasn't angry. :P: : : I know you seem to think I always am even when I am not. Maybe nobody ever explained the nature of a rant to you, it is a stress release measure, in other words it is something people do to blow off steam. Also in case you still haven't learned, I am not as angry as you keep making me out to be, I am blunt, which often makes me come off as rude, but blunt and rude are also not equal to angry. So please stop anlyzing me and pretending you know when I am angry even when I am not, thanks.
Regardless of your emotional state, your post was rude and confrontational, and you've gotten yourself in trouble with that kind of thing on here before. I don't want to have to ban you again, so be more careful with that.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 19, 2016, 12:21:53 PM
Wait, just to be clear because I am legit asking, it's against the rules to be rude? If it is fine, I will be more respectful but I thought being blunt was perfectly fine. I thought the issue was personal insults which I have kept in check.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 19, 2016, 12:30:12 PM
I didn't intend it to be confrontational so I apologize for that, I should have edited it instead of posting a reply I knew nobody would read. I'll try harder.
I was trying to say that none of us can be right, we're all just guessing.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Khushrenada on October 19, 2016, 12:38:30 PM
Maybe because I wasn't angry. :P: : : I know you seem to think I always am even when I am not. Maybe nobody ever explained the nature of a rant to you, it is a stress release measure, in other words it is something people do to blow off steam. Also in case you still haven't learned, I am not as angry as you keep making me out to be, I am blunt, which often makes me come off as rude, but blunt and rude are also not equal to angry. So please stop anlyzing me and pretending you know when I am angry even when I am not, thanks.
Ok. Good to hear. Like I mentioned before, one can't hear the emotion behind a post or text so when reading it, it had an angry tone to me and you have to admit there are times you have gotten upset here and posted things to get yourself banned. I was just concerned you might be heading towards that and wanted to help walk you back from that if possible. Since I was mistaken, I apologize for misreading your tone and I'm glad to hear all's well.
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Also I will say this again, as I skimmed your post earlier, I was not angry so stop trying to read my posts like I was. If you do that you might not be so antagonistic towards me. Also you can disagree with me and I won't see it as a personal attack, I pointed out past true personal attacks and those people either backed off or have left the site so I never accused YOU khush of that, never not once. I accused you only of stabbing me in the back, confiding in you things I shouldn't have, assuming we were friends only to see you take my vulnerabilities and make them public and pile on whenever everyone else does make fun of me. But I shrug it off.
Just wanted to take a moment to also comment on this part also. I'm not aware of being antagonistic towards you. Is there something you are thinking of or can point out to me on this because there is nothing that comes to my mind of being that way to you. Same thing with the last statement. What vulnerabilities have I made public or stabbed you in the back with? I think you are misreading or misremembering something there. That said, this subject is off-topic so I'm not going to pursue it further and let this thread get back to its original intent of what the NX might or should launch with. If you want to discuss this other stuff further, pm on it.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 19, 2016, 01:20:26 PM
They can launch it with whatever they want, if it's over priced I am out. Unless they give me ten free games to offset the cost. Or I win the lottery and money no longer matters.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 19, 2016, 01:35:01 PM
Wait, just to be clear because I am legit asking, it's against the rules to be rude? If it is fine, I will be more respectful but I thought being blunt was perfectly fine. I thought the issue was personal insults which I have kept in check.
It's not outright against the rules, but it's discouraged. We want this to be a place for civil discussion, and I don't want people to make too much of a habit of posting that way.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 19, 2016, 02:42:16 PM
Well fair enough. I concede. Sorry I posted late at night, I usually am.
TO those I offended, I don't mean to sound like Mario Kart is not important or shouldn't be on the system, it should. But I think more important games should come first. One of the reasons Mario Kart games sell so well is there is a huge build up to release to build hype. The newest game is not that old, a new entry needs time to gain hype. Mario Bros. games are no the same, they tend to be expected earlier on by a large number of people, myself included.
As for VR, whatever, I think it's going to be big based on my own observations. If I am wrong so what I will get the machine that meets my needs and leave it at that. If it is big and the games do deliver then great I will surely be happy.
To get back on track here is my dream list, feel free to pick it apart if you want.
*new* New SMB game at launch Zelda Breath of the Wild, 2-3 months post launch, it hasn't been confirmed as a launch title just it will be on NX, supposedly. Some casual game in the style of Nintendo Land/Wii Sports/Nintendogs. I am not likely to care about but others will. Some portable game that usually graces the handhelds that isn't Pokemon A Metroid game, even if it is just a remaster of Super Metroid in the style f MEtroid Zero. A new 2D Kirby game a new Luigi's Mansion A new Wave Race or similar style of game A download code and patch for Smash that offers Ice Climbers as free DLC. OKay wishful thinking. Have they added the Ice Climbers yet I haven't checked in a while. Some Tetris type game or a Dr. Mario update. 2-3 surprises that get certain people excited but everyone else shrugs off a Splatoon spin off A new Captain Toad, the next 3D World game might take longer to make, it will probably be a sequel to SM3DW maube SM3DW2? If there is VR related to this thing there will be at least 3 games formatted to "convince" everyone of their use of it. I expect Nintendo will go VR a generation behind everyone else. Considering Sony is the only one really invested Microsoft might half ass their attempt next year giving Nintendo 6 more years before they even have to really seriously consider it. That's all I have gotta get back to work.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 19, 2016, 03:05:24 PM
I agree with Mario Kart being something that sells well, but not something people will buy hardware specifically for. They sold 30 million copies of the Wii version, but I'd wager they were pretty much all to people who'd already bought the console for other reasons. It's still a nice thing to have in the lineup, though, as it's popular and relatively easy to produce. I expect to see it out by the end of 2017.
With VR, I'm still not convinced it's going to be more than a fad, and if that's all it is it's too late for Nintendo to get in on it.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: MagicCow64 on October 19, 2016, 03:42:02 PM
I think VR has some interesting analogs with the 3D revival that enthusiasts aren't really willing to acknowledge. The line goes that 3D movies, 3D TVs in particular were forced on the consumer from the top down and never took off. To some extent this is true, but there were also plenty of big-name filmmakers who wanted all-in on 3D, and for a time there was a huge consumer response (chiefly around Avatar and to a lesser extent the Beowulf period). In my view the problem was ultimately that it's not actually 3D, it's in most cases a fairly underwhelming illusion that is mediated by crappy glasses. Even more so at home. Now, if they had actual 3D projection, aka holograms, that would be super interesting and game-changing, but we're nowhere near that kind of technology.
VR is supposedly a grass-roots technology, bubbling up from enthusiasts (although much of this is actually driven by massive investment from large corporations who are terrified of flatlining consumer tech categories), and I think we're going to see a pretty tepid response from average consumers once this shakes out. Like how 3D movies aren't actually 3D, current VR headsets aren't actually VR in the way anyone would truly hope/imagine (i.e. the Holodeck or the Matrix). It's an illusion created by screwing a screen really close to your face. There are a multitude of problems/limitations with this approach that can't really be fixed on a consumer level. So it's depending on the "presence" illusion to outshine the many mechanical and practical handicaps. I doubt it can.
Another point is that in the case of VR and 3D movies, they're kind of solving problems that don't really exist. Your brain doesn't have a problem understanding depth when watching a 2D image. You also don't literally need to jam your head inside of a first-person view to feel engaged in a video game. One might argue that this is what the imagination is for!
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Adrock on October 19, 2016, 04:32:11 PM
I'm too cheap to invest in VR. That's really where my interest begins and ends. Even if it were more affordable, I don't play enough video games to justify it and when I do play, I usually like the shared experience of gaming with my brother or a friend. VR just isn't for me, but I absolutely think it has a place in the market. The technology is finally available to do some really cool things. I'd like to see more standardization though. I recently read an article on Ars Technica comparing Playstation VR, HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, and Gear VR. The whole thing looks complicated to me.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 19, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
Ok. Then lets ask this question: What do you think the NX Launch Lineup should be assuming a March/April launch. And then what should the rest of the year for NX look like? Keep in mind realistic expectations and try to look at current game releases and try to predict real possibilities.
For me I can see the logic of not having Super Mario Kart as a launch game...or even perhaps in the first year. So let me think differently.
Launch: Zelda Breath of Fire NX Smash Bros NX Definitive Collection (With added Ice Climbers and one other new character) Racing Game: I will throw F-Zero a bone because of Khush, but I will add Nintendo will try to do something new with the franchise. I think they will add more car combat elements, and a new game mode. This game and Smash Bros will be their online selling points for multiplayer games. NX Play: This is like Wii Play or Wii Sports, it will be packed in and try to sell the concept of the new gaming experience.
Finally, Virtual Console Online: Nintendo will want to get on the subscription service to play online...and Nintendo will add something new. Virtual Console games online. The service will add 4-5 new games a month to play and as long as you have the Nintendo online service you can play them. But will launch with a large selection of games 5 from each console NES, SNES, Gamecube, and Handhelds. Perhaps they will be streamed, or downloaded. But they will also add online play to the games. This service will be priced slightly more expensive than it should be. Maybe $7.99 -$9.99 a month. Nintendo will get bad press but people will accept it in the end.
For the rest of the year.
Nintendo will release Splatoon 2 in the summer. This will include a new mode with 4 teams playing against each other and team based story mode.
Metroid will be the fall release, and have a multiplayer element to it as well as a traditional story element. The Multiplayer element will have the hook of upgrading your character in the level, and when you kill an upgraded character there is a mad rush to gain their powerups.
Finally, Mario will be launched as the Winter game.
2017 will see very few if any new 3DS games launched.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: King of Twitch on October 19, 2016, 09:18:12 PM
Mario is in the NX teaser tweet on NOA's feed so I'm going to guess Mario Maker 2 at launch. Can't wait. Only one more day until the rat is proven wrong about VR for another 5 years.
I take it back, too early for another MM. Put me down for Marionette NX. It makes sense with all the puppet stuff they've had in their NinDirects lately. It'll be a wacky experimental game like Wii Music combined with NintendoLand. If you disagree, then you just accept it and stop persecuting me because it's what made the SNES so popular.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Soren on October 19, 2016, 09:52:07 PM
According to Laura Kate Dale a big indie developer who released a N3DS exclusive game already has a dev kit. Not hard to figure out, it's probably Nicalis.
She also mentioned 3 developers who are waiting for the NX to be revealed to announce software for the system. I'm wagering that those devs are Ubisoft, Squeenix and Sega.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on October 20, 2016, 01:03:03 AM
A knock it out of the ball park lineup would be
Zelda: Breath of the Wild Mario Galaxy Successor Pokemon Red and Blue 3D (i heard this rumor earlier today) Beyond Good and Evil 2 Chrono Trigger 2 Final Fantasy 7 HD
Christmas titles Metroid X Donkey Kong Punch
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Wah on October 23, 2016, 08:21:57 PM
add skyrim remastered to that list.
Title: Re: NX Launch Lineup
Post by: Soren on October 23, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
The 3D Mario game is going to be the Holiday game for 2017. Zelda, a Wii U port and any kind of Pokemon launch window game are already good enough to carry Switch during the initial launch period. Maybe do an Animal Crossing game in the fall and you have some serious heavy hitters during year one. And that's before getting to any new Fire Emblem, 2D Mario, mainline Pokemon games and whatever Retro is doing.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on October 23, 2016, 09:12:02 PM
What if the delayed Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing mobile games were delayed because they will also be launch title for the Switch because the Switch will be Android based!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: ShyGuy on October 23, 2016, 10:53:22 PM
I hope Switch has a soccer game for Insanolord.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on October 24, 2016, 02:34:11 AM
What if the delayed Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing mobile games were delayed because they will also be launch title for the Switch because the Switch will be Android based!
I'm hoping Switch is android based and has access to Android stores. There could be a 1000 launch games if that's the case.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 24, 2016, 10:51:37 AM
What if the delayed Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing mobile games were delayed because they will also be launch title for the Switch because the Switch will be Android based!
I'm hoping Switch is android based and has access to Android stores. There could be a 1000 launch games if that's the case.
They could accomplish the same thing if the eshop and Virtual Console is fully populated but that isn't going to be the case either.
I doubt Nintendo would want to do anything that lets games exist on their machine they don't get money for. In fact I would go so far as to say that isn't just a pipe dream its not going to happen. Nintendo has changed in a lot of ways in the last 25 years but letting someone else put games on their system and not give them royalties isn't one of those changes.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Soren on October 24, 2016, 11:06:54 AM
What if the delayed Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing mobile games were delayed because they will also be launch title for the Switch because the Switch will be Android based!
That's...no. That's the opposite of what I want.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on October 25, 2016, 06:30:00 PM
There's so much unknown still with the games lineup. However I'd really like to think that the four Nintendo 1st Party games shown in the trailer won't turn out to be vaporware and instead will actually come out (unlike the Zelda Wii U demo...). If I assume those are all 2016 calendar year releases, how might they be spaced out?
March/Launch - Zelda: BotW May - Mario Kart Switch August - Splatoon Switch October/November - Mario Switch
Obviously there would still need to be a slew of supporting titles from both 1st and 3rd parties to be excited about (c'mon Pikmin 4, Skyrim Remastered, BG&E2, 2.5D Metroid, Unspecified Sports Games, Indie support, plus "insert-important-original-non-port-title-here"!), but this would be most of their major selling franchises established right from the get-go on the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: sudoshuff on October 25, 2016, 06:54:55 PM
However I'd really like to think that the four Nintendo 1st Party games shown in the trailer won't turn out to be vaporware and instead will actually come out (unlike the Zelda Wii U demo...).
I bet the 1st party games they showed will come out. They are all games we are expecting anyways. Wasn't that Zelda Wii U demo shown the same year that Skyward Sword came out? It was a little unbelievable that Nintendo would have even been thinking about Zelda's Wii U iteration.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: King of Twitch on October 25, 2016, 09:26:13 PM
No way is Zelda, Mario, Kart, and Splatoon all coming out before Christmas 2017. Of course, without Iwata, maybe the rules truly have changed.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2016, 09:44:59 PM
The rules really do need to change. Nintendo needs to know that they need to push this system hard the first year. And if 2017 and 2018 slow 3DS development to nothing, then Nintendo can push all their efforts into Switch Games...Nintendo releasing 4 AAA games a year is not unheard of. That is just one game a quarter. Nintendo should totally push for this out put for the system. 2018 could easily be Metroid, F-Zero, Switch Sports or a Mario Sports compilation game, then some new IP.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: King of Twitch on October 25, 2016, 10:30:28 PM
They tried that with Gamecube and look where it got them: Luigi's Mansion, Smash, Fox, Mario, AC, and Metroid all in the first year. If they did it again, gamers would just complain they only make sequels. Best to stop trying.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on October 25, 2016, 10:51:08 PM
Ideally we'd also get one or two new IP sort of experiences at Switch launch, maybe some more by Holiday 2017.
What'd also be nice is a big juicy third party RPG in Holiday 2017. It'd be a bit early for DQ XI to hit stateside though...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 25, 2016, 11:13:07 PM
They tried that with Gamecube and look where it got them: Luigi's Mansion, Smash, Fox, Mario, AC, and Metroid all in the first year. If they did it again, gamers would just complain they only make sequels. Best to stop trying.
If Nintendo could get the big "Nintendo" games out year one, then Nintendo could focus the next year on new IP. But honestly, I don't remember people complaining about the Gamecube launch lineup, or gamers complaining about just sequels. But honestly the Gamecube was YEARS ago. Now the only games released period are just sequels or indie games...so that complaint doesn't work. Nintendo needs to get the games people want to play out on their system ASAP, so that gamers can play them and be willing to support Nintendo. The thing is each of those games listed for year one by switchblade reach a different audience. Adventure RPG, platforming, multiplayer shooter, racing. These are genres you need on your system ASAP to satisfy different tastes in gaming.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on October 25, 2016, 11:26:42 PM
What if the delayed Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing mobile games were delayed because they will also be launch title for the Switch because the Switch will be Android based!
I'm hoping Switch is android based and has access to Android stores. There could be a 1000 launch games if that's the case.
They could accomplish the same thing if the eshop and Virtual Console is fully populated but that isn't going to be the case either.
I doubt Nintendo would want to do anything that lets games exist on their machine they don't get money for. In fact I would go so far as to say that isn't just a pipe dream its not going to happen. Nintendo has changed in a lot of ways in the last 25 years but letting someone else put games on their system and not give them royalties isn't one of those changes.
That's the biggest hurdle Nintendo has to go through, themselves. Nintendo NEEDS third party support for this to be a success. If third parties aren't going to make games for Switch, maybe they need to go out and steal the third party support. Nintendo's biggest problem with other stores on the system is going to be emulators. Maybe Nintendo will have a special Android channel that has an apps blacklist. If the games are not on the system anyways, they can't make licensing money off of them. I have an Ouya, and I can get games from The Ouya store, google play, or amazon underground. The games off of the Ouya store work and don't have bugs. The underground stores can be buggy. It's better than no games from third parties though.
Also a prediction, Final Fantasy III Remastered will be a launch appstore title.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 26, 2016, 01:17:28 AM
No way is Zelda, Mario, Kart, and Splatoon all coming out before Christmas 2017. Of course, without Iwata, maybe the rules truly have changed.
Under Iwata the Wii had the strongest first year lineup in Nintendo history. If we're going to consider stuff like Luigi's Mansion and Star Fox Adventures AAA for the Gamecube then Wii's first year lineup is easily surpasses it in so called AAA Nintendo titles in one year. Considering the Switch is doing much of what the Wii did, by taking games that probably started on the previous one and reusing their engines for quicker development, it'll probably have a year just as strong, with maybe a chance of being stronger.
Plus I'm not sure how it's hard to believe Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart and Splatoon won't hit by the end of 2017. Zelda is more then likely almost finished, and Tokyo EAD has had almost 3 years since they finished 3D World meaning the upcoming 3D Mario can easily hit a 2017 release date. The base game for Mario Kart 8 will have been released almost 3 years ago by the time the Switch is released, and the last DLC 2 years, which is still plenty of time for the Mario Kart team to make a new Mario Kart that's probably just reusing the same engine as MK8. Seriously, they went from Mario Kart 7 in November of 2011, a game still reusing the Double Dash engine, to creating a brand new high quality HD engine with Mario Kart 8 in only 2.5 years, and yet they suddenly can't make a new Mario Kart reusing said MK8 engine within a 2-3 year gap? Come on, nobody should be doubting Mario Kart hitting 2017.
The only real wild card is Splatoon but even that is possible since the game is probably reusing the original games engine which will save time and if it hits by holiday 2017, that still 2.5 years which is longer then the average shooter sequel takes to make, so it's still very doable. Like I said earlier, Nintendo isn't suffering from being new to HD development anymore and can reuse all their Wii U engines and assets for quicker development as well now.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2016, 01:56:05 AM
No way is Zelda, Mario, Kart, and Splatoon all coming out before Christmas 2017. Of course, without Iwata, maybe the rules truly have changed.
Under Iwata the Wii had the strongest first year lineup in Nintendo history. If we're going to consider stuff like Luigi's Mansion and Star Fox Adventures AAA for the Gamecube then Wii's first year lineup is easily surpasses it in so called AAA Nintendo titles in one year. Considering the Switch is doing much of what the Wii did, by taking games that probably started on the previous one and reusing their engines for quicker development, it'll probably have a year just as strong, with maybe a chance of being stronger.
Plus I'm not sure how it's hard to believe Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart and Splatoon won't hit by the end of 2017. Zelda is more then likely almost finished, and Tokyo EAD has had almost 3 years since they finished 3D World meaning the upcoming 3D Mario can easily hit a 2017 release date. The base game for Mario Kart 8 will have been released almost 3 years ago by the time the Switch is released, and the last DLC 2 years, which is still plenty of time for the Mario Kart team to make a new Mario Kart that's probably just reusing the same engine as MK8. Seriously, they went from Mario Kart 7 in November of 2011, a game still reusing the Double Dash engine, to creating a brand new high quality HD engine with Mario Kart 8 in only 2.5 years, and yet they suddenly can't make a new Mario Kart reusing said MK8 engine within a 2-3 year gap? Come on, nobody should be doubting Mario Kart hitting 2017.
The only real wild card is Splatoon but even that is possible since the game is probably reusing the original games engine which will save time and if it hits by holiday 2017, that still 2.5 years which is longer then the average shooter sequel takes to make, so it's still very doable. Like I said earlier, Nintendo isn't suffering from being new to HD development anymore and can reuse all their Wii U engines and assets for quicker development as well now.
The question people have isn't can the games be made. It is WILL Nintendo release the games in 2017. I think Nintendo could release all those games 2017. And I could even see the launch lineup being Mario Kart and Zelda...or Mario and Zelda (less likely.) But honestly once you have a good HD engine for a racing game...you don't need much except excellent track design, which I am sure the Mario Kart team is always working on.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on October 26, 2016, 03:13:15 AM
I'd definitely hope the next Mario Kart had some amazing tracks, I found 8 to be somewhat uninspiring for some reason.
Also, hmmm... I'm wondering if Nintendo's Mobile Titles make it onto the switch. Would Miitomo, Super Mario Run, Animal Crossing Mobile, and Fire Emblem Mobile all be available for free-to-start download from the eShop, day 1?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Stogi on October 26, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
I think they'll be fine just launching with Zelda to be honest. Everything else is icing on the cake. If you're not into Zelda, then you'll probably wait anyway for more reasons to pick up a Nintendo console.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 26, 2016, 01:04:46 PM
Zelda isn't the sales driver people like to pretend it is. It's about the most hard core game Nintendo has and has a very strong, devoted following, but it's really not their strongest franchise. They need a Mario before Christmas period.
If they really want to come out swinging they need a damn good Mario game day one. Mario sells consoles, especially when done how the fans want and 3D World is a game many wanted and enjoyed but it came later than the game people weren't asking for. THIS is a game we have all been asking for since the last Galaxy, even people that actively hate or dislike Wii remote still bought and loved Galaxies.
Mario Kart and Splatoon in the same holiday makes it a good showcase for the console and gets a broad variety out up front, a competitive shooting game, a competitive racing game, an open world RPG-like game, and a Mario game that looks like it should be fun.
Having too many games up front is not a bad thing either. Getting as many of the sequels and franchise games out of the way as they can up front gives them plenty of room down the road to experiment. They need to space out their side stuff like DK, Kirby, Metroid, F-Zero, Punch Out, Excite Bike, etc, but they are going to want to get as many games as they can as fast as they can.
I also bet they have something Pokemon related ready by the first holiday.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: King of Twitch on October 26, 2016, 01:48:36 PM
No way is Zelda, Mario, Kart, and Splatoon all coming out before Christmas 2017. Of course, without Iwata, maybe the rules truly have changed.
Under Iwata the Wii had the strongest first year lineup in Nintendo history. If we're going to consider stuff like Luigi's Mansion and Star Fox Adventures AAA for the Gamecube then Wii's first year lineup is easily surpasses it in so called AAA Nintendo titles in one year. Considering the Switch is doing much of what the Wii did, by taking games that probably started on the previous one and reusing their engines for quicker development, it'll probably have a year just as strong, with maybe a chance of being stronger.
Plus I'm not sure how it's hard to believe Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart and Splatoon won't hit by the end of 2017. Zelda is more then likely almost finished, and Tokyo EAD has had almost 3 years since they finished 3D World meaning the upcoming 3D Mario can easily hit a 2017 release date. The base game for Mario Kart 8 will have been released almost 3 years ago by the time the Switch is released, and the last DLC 2 years, which is still plenty of time for the Mario Kart team to make a new Mario Kart that's probably just reusing the same engine as MK8. Seriously, they went from Mario Kart 7 in November of 2011, a game still reusing the Double Dash engine, to creating a brand new high quality HD engine with Mario Kart 8 in only 2.5 years, and yet they suddenly can't make a new Mario Kart reusing said MK8 engine within a 2-3 year gap? Come on, nobody should be doubting Mario Kart hitting 2017.
The only real wild card is Splatoon but even that is possible since the game is probably reusing the original games engine which will save time and if it hits by holiday 2017, that still 2.5 years which is longer then the average shooter sequel takes to make, so it's still very doable. Like I said earlier, Nintendo isn't suffering from being new to HD development anymore and can reuse all their Wii U engines and assets for quicker development as well now.
The man has a good icon and makes good points, but I will only give you Zelda launch and then Mario Kart in September. Not a penny more! DK seems more likely than Marry-oh.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on October 26, 2016, 03:47:56 PM
I figure Nintendo should aim to have as strong as a lineup as possible as soon as possible to try to get strong initial sales. If the console sells well at first then it will attract better third party support which can fill the void in Nintendo's lineup if they have a bit of a drought. If it doesn't sell then the support won't be there. Nintendo shouldn't assume that they have to support the thing entirely themselves because if they do then the Switch is going to be a flop like the Wii U. If they make us wait for the big releases in anticipation of a thin lineup then they'll help ensure a thin lineup.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on October 26, 2016, 05:54:19 PM
I figure Nintendo should aim to have as strong as a lineup as possible as soon as possible to try to get strong initial sales. If the console sells well at first then it will attract better third party support which can fill the void in Nintendo's lineup if they have a bit of a drought. If it doesn't sell then the support won't be there. Nintendo shouldn't assume that they have to support the thing entirely themselves because if they do then the Switch is going to be a flop like the Wii U. If they make us wait for the big releases in anticipation of a thin lineup then they'll help ensure a thin lineup.
I can get behind this.
Well, maybe not ALL at once! But maybe like a one month cadence for new major games from Nintendo or Third-Party Exclusives and they front load it as much as possible with their heavy hitters first.
Yeah, enough with trying to essentially comb-over perceived droughts. Release a big game a month for as long as they have big games and let the chips fall where they may after that.
Besides, these should be evergreen titles. If Mario releases in July, no reason he won't sell well come November given some bundle or special promo activities.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 26, 2016, 06:01:54 PM
But again, this sort of solves that problem by its very existence. Whatever the output was for Wii U and 3DS that is now combined. So it will have the games at a faster pace. IF by some dumb luck it turns out that is not the case and they are still going to release a separate 3rd pillar then all bets are off we might as well sell our Nintendo stock now and prepare for SNES mini the next year.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on October 26, 2016, 07:18:41 PM
But again, this sort of solves that problem by its very existence. Whatever the output was for Wii U and 3DS that is now combined. So it will have the games at a faster pace. IF by some dumb luck it turns out that is not the case and they are still going to release a separate 3rd pillar then all bets are off we might as well sell our Nintendo stock now and prepare for SNES mini the next year.
That's my hope too. But given all the history that Nintendo has to struggle uphill against, if they DO have a lot of software ready for the first year or so like what Emily Rogers hints at, then by all means start making it rain Nintendo games and vanquish any doubts!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 26, 2016, 08:02:50 PM
You would love a SNES mini. If it had more games then the NES mini. I can think of at least 40-50 games would be better than 30...but that is just me.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Lemonade on October 27, 2016, 01:27:30 AM
I would like a SNES Mini too, but I already have about 30 games for my SNES. I want a 64 Mini because I dont own a 64.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 27, 2016, 03:08:51 AM
I would like a SNES Mini too, but I already have about 30 games for my SNES. I want a 64 Mini because I dont own a 64.
Well, I imagine you have to wait awhile. NES Mini this year. Probably won't get SNES mini next year because of the focus on the Switch. Perhaps SNES mini in 2 years. Then N64 mini in 2 more years. Sounds about right. I also wouldn't mind Nintendo doing a portable mini. A Gameboy mini to play gameboy color colors. Then a Gameboy Advanced Mini. But those could come out later.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on October 27, 2016, 03:21:14 AM
They remastered Zelda OOT for 3ds,
OOT Switch?
I never owned a 3ds, but I imagine a side project of Zelda Oot 3D could have been an hd version for a future console. I wouldn't mind buying Super Mario Sunshine or Mario 64 remastered either.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Lemonade on October 27, 2016, 10:08:34 PM
Then a Gameboy Advanced Mini. But those could come out later.
Rerelease Gameboy Micro with lots of games built in. I love my Micro
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Oedo on October 27, 2016, 10:54:22 PM
Neither the PS4 nor the XB1 were successes based on their first year alone, so I don't think Nintendo is going to (or needs to) go completely overboard in year one. They need a very strong first year, much stronger than either the Wii U and 3DS obviously, but not at the expense of years two and three. If they start putting out games at a ridiculous pace, they're going to start cannibalizing sales of their own and (more importantly) third party software at some point too. Any hint of that is not going to sit well with the third parties, especially since many of them believe that their games generally have a hard time selling on Nintendo consoles to begin with (however accurate or inaccurate that may be). There needs to a balance between all the factors that go into the long-term success of a console.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 28, 2016, 10:39:02 AM
Neither the PS4 nor the XB1 were successes based on their first year alone, so I don't think Nintendo is going to (or needs to) go completely overboard in year one. They need a very strong first year, much stronger than either the Wii U and 3DS obviously, but not at the expense of years two and three. If they start putting out games at a ridiculous pace, they're going to start cannibalizing sales of their own and (more importantly) third party software at some point too. Any hint of that is not going to sit well with the third parties, especially since many of them believe that their games generally have a hard time selling on Nintendo consoles to begin with (however accurate or inaccurate that may be). There needs to a balance between all the factors that go into the long-term success of a console.
PS4 launched around the holidays, by the end of it's first holiday year it had already sold more than Wii U in its entire life and never looked back. It sure was a success in its first year, it was all news sites reported on for a very long time. It started slowing down once the hype wore off. Xbox One still isn't a success but its beating the pants off Wii U and about to surpass Game Cube so it's doing just about fine.
Nintendo consoles usually have the hype in the beginning and start to fade away once people learn the games aren't coming so they need to do everything in their power to keep the games coming.
If companies see the Switch as akin to the replacement for 3DS and Nintendo killing off their console line they WILL make games for it because they have always made scaled down games for the handheld market. If developers view it as a Wii U successor you can take on the go, that is a harder sell. Nintendo needs to make damn sure everyone is sold on this being a handheld first, because everyone has confidence in their handheld division, nobody ever questions if the handheld will get games, even 3DS was slow at first but it got games once it took off.
The unknown is western developers that have moved away from handheld, if this thing is similar enough to their mobile offerings, expect it to be more inline with those, since people DO pay for the mobile games and companies do support mobile think of this as Nintendo's mobile tablet and their handheld which just happens to have TV support, that will all but ensure solid 3rd party support.
Looking at the list, the only major developer not listed, that matters, is Rockstar, and Rockstar has been the only company to go on record as saying they will never make games for Nintendo again. Now the new CEO has to convince them he is not Iwata or Yamauchi before they even have a chance of mending those wounds.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 28, 2016, 09:08:01 PM
Please? And make it a reboot/remaster of the original. The subsequent games were never up to the originals in terms of quality and fun mechanics.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Phil on October 29, 2016, 03:07:03 AM
If we had something similar in feel to the GameCube original or even the DS games, which were also fun dungeon crawlers, with the music of the original (one of my favorite soundtracks), that would be excellence.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Evan_B on October 29, 2016, 01:52:39 PM
Yes, the original Crystal Chronicles struck an impressive balance of doling out roles to each player so that they all played an important part, but I don't think the execution was spot on. Echoes of Time, the second DS game, had the best equipment modification, magic, and race systems of the series. While I truly love the soundtrack for the first game, I also think that The Crystal Bearers for Wii had an incredible soundtrack.
One thing is for sure, however- this series should definitely see a return.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: supermario2k on October 29, 2016, 02:08:29 PM
Yes, the original Crystal Chronicles struck an impressive balance of doling out roles to each player so that they all played an important part, but I don't think the execution was spot on. Echoes of Time, the second DS game, had the best equipment modification, magic, and race systems of the series. While I truly love the soundtrack for the first game, I also think that The Crystal Bearers for Wii had an incredible soundtrack.
One thing is for sure, however- this series should definitely see a return.
Count me in! Crystal Chronicles is one of only 4 Game Cube games I actually own and I loved the concept very much. I didn't get it on Wii, my brother in law took it upon himself to install my Life as a King on my Wii, a game I never got into, and I was so burned out on Wii and FF side games by that point I kind of forgot how much fun the original was.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on October 30, 2016, 10:54:16 AM
One of these days I hope to assemble three other friends with GBAs so that I can actually finish a full play through of the game.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on November 03, 2016, 09:33:42 PM
I lost my GBA to GCN adapter.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on November 05, 2016, 09:52:22 AM
I bought four back when they released because I was delusional enough to think that I could wrangle three other people to sit down and play with me.Only ever succeeded with getting two others.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Phil on November 06, 2016, 01:56:28 AM
Lol. That actually did make me laugh for about a minute.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 06, 2016, 08:44:19 PM
Read a rumor that Mario Switch is further along than anyone knows and could be a launch game.
I am now guessing the Launch Line Up: Super Mario Switch Breath of Wild Switch
Summer release game: Super Mario Kart Switch Winter release game: Splatoon Switch
That is a killer line up for year one if you add 3rd party support and is quite reasonable. I also would not be surprised if a Retro Studios game is available, but I am going to guess that will be saved for 2017.
I also expect a launch game packed into the box that is filled with simple games that show playing the system in different ways including Touch Screen, Single Switch attachment, Dual Switch attachment, And I expect that the Switch will throw an image to the TV for Wii U support Virtual console games...for games that require it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Soren on November 06, 2016, 10:19:13 PM
Read a rumor that Mario Switch is further along than anyone knows and could be a launch game.
I am now guessing the Launch Line Up: Super Mario Switch Breath of Wild Switch
Summer release game: Super Mario Kart Switch Winter release game: Splatoon Switch
That is a killer line up for year one if you add 3rd party support and is quite reasonable. I also would not be surprised if a Retro Studios game is available, but I am going to guess that will be saved for 2017.
I also expect a launch game packed into the box that is filled with simple games that show playing the system in different ways including Touch Screen, Single Switch attachment, Dual Switch attachment, And I expect that the Switch will throw an image to the TV for Wii U support Virtual console games...for games that require it.
The only way I believe the Mario Switch out at launch rumor is if we know for sure we're getting a second mainline Zelda game for Switch down the road. Looking at Zelda's ridiculous development gaps, I'm not so sure about that. Zelda comes out at launch, Mario comes out at Winter. No need to waste two of your big bullets at launch when one will do.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 06, 2016, 10:34:12 PM
Yeah even if Mario was ready for launch, they're not going to release both games at the same time. Unless Nintendo plans on shipping over 10 million systems at launch there's no point in releasing both games together since that won't do anything to boast sales. Zelda alone will be big enough to sell the first few million units during launch period. Mario is better saved for the months after to help boast sales again after the launch hype starts to dye down.
Plus if they released them at the same time Zelda will overshadow Mario which I doubt Nintendo would want to happen. The open world genre right now is the most popular genre in gaming and Nintendo looks to have something that could be revolutionary for this genre with Breath of the Wild. Even if Mario is also pretty mindblowing like 64 and Galaxy, Zelda will be the game receiving the majority of attention from the media and most fans a like.
Nintendo wants both games to get the most sales they can and releasing them at the same time is just going to cause one of them to overshadow the other. This is why when you have one killer app being released, you release smaller titles like Pikmin or Excite Trucks which otherwise wouldn't have gotten big sales on their own to piggy back off the big ones while 2 equally big titles just end up taking attention away from each other.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on November 07, 2016, 02:13:01 AM
Well, if Mario WAS ready for launch then that's a nice problem to have. Hold off on Mario for maybe two months before releasing it, and in the meantime the dev team can get a 2 month head start on their next project!
I'm starting to really get excited for the potential of Year 1 of the Switch. Imagine... A new amazing game every two months? Zelda in March? Mario in May? Kart in July? Splatoon in September? With that embarrassment of riches (Four Nintendo Top Tier Franchises) in the space of just 6 months how could anyone resist chasing down awesome Switch Bundles in Holiday 2017, and that's without even imagining the effect of other Nintendo First Party Titles, and whatever Third-Party Support I can hope for.
I do, for example, think I'm gonna be buying my first Basketball game since the 1990's.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2016, 02:13:07 AM
If you follow the old rumors Mario Switch was probably supposed to be released LAST YEAR for Wii U. They may even have a Metroid going with the way Wii U ended with how many months we had any sort of information.
Switch seems to be like a mix of what happened with n64 to gamecube and gamecube to wii.
if we recall projects like Kameo, Eternal Darkness, and Star Fox Adventures were moved to gamecube. Kameo came out on Xbox because of the Rare buyout, I supposed Perfect Dark Zero and probably Grabbed by the Ghoulies also were in development and would have ended up on gamecube if it wasn't for the buyout.
As we all know Twilight Princess ended up on both Gamecube and Wii, which helped Wii a whole bunch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on November 07, 2016, 02:14:07 AM
Isn't Pikmin 4 potentially also super far along, possibly even finished?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2016, 02:17:09 AM
I'm sure we can pull up quotes and do some detective work. There is the problem of the up-ended table though.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on November 07, 2016, 02:24:59 AM
I'm sure we can pull up quotes and do some detective work. There is the problem of the up-ended table though.
Yeah. That's true. It's also possible that Pikmin got de-prioritized or shelved in favor of other projects. I LOVE the Pikmin franchise but I really don't think it's posting anywhere near the sales numbers to justify the sort of resources that I imagine got sunk into Pikmin 3.
Pikmin's ultimate fate is probably to sink into the B/C Tier of Nintendo franchises in terms of development resources unless some plucky EAD devs can figure out a way to make great Pikmin games on the cheap. /cry
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: MagicCow64 on November 07, 2016, 02:29:33 AM
I think we'll get pairs of Pikmin games. 1&2 were something of a piece, not that far apart, somewhat different structures.
3&4 will probably feel pretty close, and I'm curious about how they can further tweak the formula. 3 almost got all the way there finally. Also, I believe 3 had Wii origins? Even if 4 doesn't rock the boat too much a new Pikmim with a big graphical upgrade could be quite something.
To Kairon: Eh, I dunno, I think it's possible to make a good Pikmin game on a reasonable budget. Photogrammetry techniques could do some heavy lifting. The scope of the actual environments isn't huge, so you could spit shine it. The campaigns aren't super long, but they do usually include a lot of side content. They could tilt back toward more generative stuff, like the Pikmin 2 caves.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2016, 03:37:07 AM
sometimes if they pour enough money into a project they MUST complete it. Though, there was the movie Super Man Lives.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 07, 2016, 06:47:22 AM
Everyone is forgetting that Nintendo is coming of a hugely failed system. Public perception is poor, and Sony and Microsoft are releasing updated versions of there systems this year or early next year...with an already large game base, infrastructure and 3rd party support.
Nintendo NEEDS Mario and Zelda out ASAP, and they need to get as large of a user base as possible ASAP as well. They need their numbers to look big. Perhaps not Wii big sales, but Nintendo needs something to turn it around.
Mario and Zelda together would do that. Plus, you can't just count on Zelda to sell the system, because it is also on the Wii U. Sure the numbers aren't great but Nintendo fans already have the Wii U, and if they want to wait and see if the Switch is a success before purchases they can do that and not wait to play Zelda.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 07, 2016, 07:17:12 AM
It depends on what else is in the channel. If they've got a solid crop of games for the rest of 2017, I could see them launching with both. They need to come out of the gate strong, and having both a new Mario and a new Zelda day one is about as strong a launch as there's ever been. They just can't do it and then have nothing for months.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Soren on November 07, 2016, 11:06:07 AM
I'll stick with my guns. No way they release Zelda and a 3D Mario game at launch. Of course, they could release that other Mario game no one really likes.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 07, 2016, 11:49:09 AM
Nintendo NEEDS Mario and Zelda out ASAP, and they need to get as large of a user base as possible ASAP as well. They need their numbers to look big. Perhaps not Wii big sales, but Nintendo needs something to turn it around.
See this is the thing, having both games out at launch isn't going to do much. We already know Nintendo plans on shipping 2 million Switch for it's launch in March. Zelda by itself will be enough to sell those early systems at launch, and the Wii U version isn't going to do anything since the people Nintendo is trying to get to buy the Switch at launch are people who didn't buy the Wii U in the first place.
This is why it's overkill to release both at the same time since the system will be supply constrained around launch anyway. Plus some of you are vastly underrating how huge Zelda is going to be. It's reveal at E3 is the biggest a Nintendo game has received since the Wii at E3 2006 and it's trailer is by far the most viewed Nintendo related game on Youtube history. Seriously, Zelda by itself is already going to be huge, it's basically looking to be a modern day Mario 64 in terms of potential genre refining in what's right now the most popular genre in gaming, open world.
And everything we've currently seen from Zelda is from less then 2 percent of the actual game, with Nintendo still saying there's still more new game mechanics to come. Assuming Nintendo doesn't pull a Sonic Team and is only focusing on the early part of the game and neglects the rest, Zelda isn't going to need Mario to help sell the Switch at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Ian Sane on November 07, 2016, 04:25:43 PM
I figure Nintendo has enough of a dedicated fanbase that the Switch is going to sell well at launch anyway to those die hards. The success of the system will be based on how things go as that audience gets their Switch and the next wave of buyers comes in from outside the Nintendo fanbase. So in that sense Mario and Zelda together will make no difference in the launch sales. I think Zelda being there is important so that the Switch makes a good first impression and there is buzz for the system from day one. If Zelda is getting great reviews and good word of mouth it makes the Switch look like a more worthwhile product. Then later in the year when the early adopters already have their Switch and Nintendo has to sell to the general public a Mario release gets that buzz going again. Each of those games will spur some media coverage. If they're both launch titles then it all gets grouped together but spaced out a bit will create two time periods in the first year where the Switch is a hot topic.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: KeyBilly on November 07, 2016, 05:32:52 PM
I would like Nintendo to take their time and make a Mario game that is large in scope, with orchestrated music and a lot of creative ideas. They can always drop in a NSMB or 3D Land style Mario if they feel the need to have the franchise represented before then. Plus, the inevitable Mario Maker, whether it ends up being a port or a true sequel. I hope that it includes a lot of new features, but is able to load and edit all the Wii U stages.
The launch lineup should differentiate the Switch from other mobile platforms, with an emphasis on more traditional game styles that people can't find on phones.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Evan_B on November 07, 2016, 09:10:06 PM
Isn't Pikmin 4 potentially also super far along, possibly even finished?
I believe Pikmin for 3DS is the likely candidate for those news and rumors.
Pikmin doesn't sell enough to afford a third dimension T-T
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: KeyBilly on November 09, 2016, 01:30:17 PM
I hope the 2D Pikmin is more of a one-off, unless it turns out to be better than expected.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Oedo on November 09, 2016, 01:41:39 PM
Miyamoto implied that the game he mentioned back at E3 2015 was being worked on by an internal Nintendo team and in a separate statement Nintendo called the game "Pikmin 4" (which to me says mainline entry). I'd be really surprised if Pikmin 3DS was the game he was talking about.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on November 09, 2016, 02:07:26 PM
So Laura Dale, who has had a pretty envious record these past couple months regarding switch and ps4pro rumors, is claiming her sources are saying the last remaining Smash Amiibo are being delayed to 2017 to coincide with Smash Switch port potentially aimed within the first six months for the console.
I know it'd just be a Port, but the Smash name in year one, with zelda and mario, is looking like a ridiculous early slate of titles. It's hard to believe that some of the things we've been talking about won't slip to 2017 2018.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Shaymin on November 09, 2016, 06:49:52 PM
You mean 2018, right?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Kairon on November 09, 2016, 07:36:45 PM
Gah!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup
Post by: Stratos on November 11, 2016, 12:54:49 AM
Well the console itself already slipped to 2017, so easy mistake, yes?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: ThePerm on December 25, 2016, 04:19:09 AM
It's 19 days until January 12th. We'll know the lineup then. (hopefully)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: pokepal148 on December 25, 2016, 01:17:45 PM
If the Switch Port has all the content from the 3DS game then that will be amazing.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: Kairon on December 25, 2016, 02:21:33 PM
God, I feel like most of my videogame life is on hold while I wait for the Switch Launch lineup to get revealed!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: Evan_B on December 25, 2016, 04:37:55 PM
Mario, Splatoon, Skyrim and the newest SteamWorld game.
Saved you some worrying and tempered those expectations! ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 25, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
There was the one rumor of Splatoon being kinda of a half sequel like just having a few upgrades and being the pack-in game. I personally hope that isn't true.
I think Splatoon could have a significant upgrade.
Single Squid 4 Vs games.
2 Team Vs games of course would return.
3 Team Vs games would be fun as well.
Adding more platforming elements to multiplayer and of course adding more content to single player would be great as well. Finally adding multiplayer to the story mode or just an interesting survivor mode could be fun.
Splatoon needs a full sequel not at half step. The game and franchise are great, but it could be so much more.
Finally, the rumor between Mario being the launch title because Zelda is late is interesting. I personally, don't believe Zelda is running behind, but I do believe Nintendo could delay it because they believe Mario is a bigger seller than Zelda. However, if they were truly worried about sales just release Mario and Zelda and let Splatoon be the big seller for the holiday.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: Evan_B on December 25, 2016, 07:57:26 PM
Splatoon could certainly upgrade, considering the first game was barely full-featured in any way. I don't think it will be as extensive as you think because Nintendo is probably scrambling the jets on all fronts, but I imagine that it, Mario Kart, and Smash Bros will have a bit more content than their Wii U forms.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: ThePerm on December 25, 2016, 07:58:25 PM
If the system came with a Pack in that Included Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Splatoon. How insane would it sell?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 25, 2016, 08:40:49 PM
Every system should come with a pack in game. It is silly to think that you can buy a product and potentially be able to nothing with it. Having 3 pack in games is just insane. Mario Kart is too much of a seller for it it be packed in. Same with Smash Bros. However, I think Splatoon is a strange game...it was wildly successful for the Wii U for a new franchise, but it seems better as a pack in game. Just enough meat to the game to be fun with friends and family, multiplayer supports online gaming and could be used to promote the unique controller breaking away from multiple people to play.
EDIT: One thing I thought would be interesting for a company to do was randomly give a pack-in game. If Nintendo launched with 3 first party games, imagine booting up the system and launching the download store to find out you randomly got one of the 3 first party games. Yeah I know there is so many reasons this idea sucks...but it could work for the virtual console and it would have an interesting spread of word of mouth. What did you get? I launched the Virtual console and got a free Mario 3. How about you? I got Donkey Kong Country. Wow you are so lucky, I wanted that.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: ThePerm on December 25, 2016, 08:51:23 PM
Well, there is some logic to having a super pack in. Having a pack in creates value for customers. Customers buy systems in larger numbers. More games sell because system has a larger audience. Its not unprecedented. Saturn has Virtua Cop, Virtua Fighter, and Daytona USA packed in with it. The system was $399 though.
Nintendo could make a big statement by having an at launch multiplayer lineup. Also, as shitty as it sounds it also gives them some leeway in not making Wii U content transferable.
Nintendo needs to sell systems, and sell a lot of systems all throughout 2017. The more systems it sells the more games it can sell. I'm sure they also want 4-6 game per console adoption ratio. People think Nintendo did bad this generation, but whatever systems Nintendo sold, people bought enough games to write off that system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: Agent-X- on December 25, 2016, 10:49:27 PM
Nintendo will most likely have a pack-in game. I was mostly disappointed in Nintendo's choice of Nintendoland for the Wii U pack-in. By contrast, the Wii + Wii Sports quickly became a phenomena. I recall the GameCube had no pack-in game, although there were numerous bundles for it. I suspect Nintendo will once again offer a pack-in, but given the strongest feature of the Switch is its ability to transition from home experience to portable experience there is a much wider appeal by giving consumers options. It would be a good gesture for Nintendo to offer one free download from a limited selection of games available at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 26, 2016, 12:15:53 AM
My initial logic for a random pack in game, was the excitement of running home and seeing which surprise launch game would be yours. Then you can talk to your friends about it...and possibly if you know several people with the system you can all play and try different launch games and possibly increase sells of each launch game.
The problem is I want to play Mario Kart, so I purchase the Switch and Mario Kart, I run home to realize Mario Kart was my free game. OOPS. Now Nintendo could easily make it that if you register a purchased game you would get a different free game. Or if you purchased the free game you were offered you could pick or get another random free game. But that complicates the system and could be confusing. Something like this you would want to be simple and understandable.
I do think a "super" or AAA launch title is important for a pack in. Look at successful console launches and you see that they all had a great AAA title packed in. Or later they were released with a AAA pack in a year later. The pack-in game gives instant value to an expensive purchase. I can not say I would spend $249.99 for the chance to spend $49.99 for a game. Yeah I am buying an entertainment system which allows me access to buy more games. But to me, there is no visible value. You spent money for the option to spend more money.
On the other hand, the pack in game whether you want the game or not, gives you value. Yeah, I don't really care for Wii Sports, but its nice to have it. I am sure I will play with my friends, and the system now has even more value, because I can instantly play a game.
A multiplayer Pack in Game also motivates the buyer to consider spending more money on an additional controller or accessory. Local gaming is brilliant on getting that second controller purchase and getting more revenue for the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: rygar on December 26, 2016, 07:29:54 AM
Has anyone seen data on gameplay styles/modes of console and video game consumers? [Not counting mobile gaming since I think it's closer to an apple than an orange] I do all of my gaming offline and in single player. I could potentially play some local multiplayer on the Switch, and maybe one of these days I'll get into online multiplayer, but I'm almost entirely evaluating the Switch purchase based on the single player experiences it offers. Other posters seem much more focused on various multiplayer modes. I'm curious what the larger market looks like.
Obviously a pack in game that offers rich gameplay across the single and multiplayer continuum would be ideal, but if they have to make choices, what would please the most consumers? A multiplayer heavy game would be near useless to me but maybe I'm not representative.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: famicomplicated on December 26, 2016, 08:18:04 AM
Pack-in will be Splatoon, 100% guaranteed. Works locally, at your basketball game/roof party, works at home/online, it's perfect. The game has style and is "cool", it'd be a great way of getting numbers up quickly.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 19 Days
Post by: Kairon on December 26, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
Yeah, I too think Splatoon would make some good sense as a pack-in. A Splatoon 1.5 could have expanded single-player content, be instantly multiplayer, make use of motion, have live events that could keep people turning the game on even months later, and maybe Nintendo might be able to design some DLC opportunities for it down the line so that even pack-in owners might spend additional money in the game.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 17 Days
Post by: ThePerm on December 27, 2016, 05:36:16 AM
These games seem likely, some for launch.
Tekken 7 Dead or Alive Extreme 3 Soul Calibur VI Street Fighter V
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 17 Days
Post by: Oedo on December 27, 2016, 04:45:41 PM
Capcom has said that Street Fighter V is a PS4 exclusive on consoles and talked up their partnership with Sony on this game multiple times. I don't think it's particularly likely that we see a Switch version.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 17 Days
Post by: Stratos on December 27, 2016, 06:00:45 PM
Capcom are liars. Remember the "Capcom 5"? Salty Nintendo Fans do. ;)
And for all we know, that will be a timed exclusive, but they would never announce it as such at first.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 17 Days
Post by: Soren on December 27, 2016, 06:08:29 PM
They've been very explicit about SF5 being PS4 console exclusive. It's not coming to Switch.
No, I think it will be another Nintendo Land style minigame collection.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 17 Days
Post by: ThePerm on December 28, 2016, 03:15:09 AM
How long does the exclusivity last? Also, is switch a console? We all remember Resident Evil 4 was a Gamecube Exclusive. Shinji Mikami said he would chop off his head if it went on other consoles. So he quit being head of the Resident Evil team. Also, "Street Fighter Switch" has no exclusive deals.
We might see The Evil Within Special Edition.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: KeyBilly on December 28, 2016, 02:12:03 PM
Splatoon makes sense in a way, but I don't think it has the broad appeal that could help sell consoles. The Switch has a marketing advantage in that people will be taking it to work, school, etc. While Splatoon is the rumored game and seems likely to happen, even a mainline Mario game would be more likely to get random people wanting to play. Tetris was the perfect title for that purpose with the Game Boy. Minecraft would actually be kind of logical.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Mop it up on December 28, 2016, 02:36:27 PM
Plus, the main appeal of Splatoon is the multiplayer which requires an online connection. It doesn't fit in with the portable aspect of Switch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Stogi on December 28, 2016, 03:11:35 PM
If there is a pack-in, it needs to have local multi-player; specifically, head to head multiplayer. I can imagine highschoolers at lunch crowding around a Switch and waiting for their turn to play. That's the type of interest Nintendo should want.
Smash bros. with it's simple control scheme would fit this role perfectly.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2016, 04:49:10 PM
Mario Kart I think would make a pretty perfect Pack-In.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 28, 2016, 05:11:43 PM
Plus, the main appeal of Splatoon is the multiplayer which requires an online connection. It doesn't fit in with the portable aspect of Switch.
The Wii U version requires online for multiplayer but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the big selling point for Splatoon Switch is local 4-player split-screen. Being able to take Splat tournaments anywhere you go, combined with what will be a more meatier single player campaign could make a good selling point for the Switch version.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Mop it up on December 28, 2016, 05:19:36 PM
The Wii U version requires online for multiplayer but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the big selling point for Splatoon Switch is local 4-player split-screen. Being able to take Splat tournaments anywhere you go, combined with what will be a more meatier single player campaign could make a good selling point for the Switch version.
That idea might work for Japan, but I don't think it would be a good fit for the US (at least, in comparison to their other pack-in options).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: ThePerm on December 28, 2016, 06:29:01 PM
As I was saying with the 3 game pack in idea. Mario Kart, Splatoon, and Smash Bros were all million sellers. I'm betting releasing them as stand alones where there is only incremental updates means they won't sell as well. Also, people will complain that they aren't that different. Put them on a Cart and include them with the system and you got a killer app. I bet you could put all three games on the same cart. Also, it add about $150 value to the console in the eyes of gamers, with out affecting the costs. Nintendo should take diminishing returns and turn them upside down.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 28, 2016, 07:47:52 PM
ThePerm: If Nintendo ported Mario Kart, Splatoon, and New Super Mario Bros Wii U with no extra content as the pack in game it could be very cool for Nintendo...but honestly if Nintendo did that I see them only doing it with 2 games.
I think a Splatoon/Super Mario&Luigi Bros Wii U combo would be great. Add a few bonuses to the game and let the pack in game be basically a finished product. Then you can have brand new versions of Kart, Mario, Zelda, and more later.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Agent-X- on December 28, 2016, 11:06:20 PM
And really, given how long it took them to get Mario Kart 64 up and running on the North American Wii U, it will probably take them some time to get Wii U games running on the Switch. ::)
Seriously.
H8 Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 29, 2016, 05:02:52 PM
Pretty sure they were just trying to see if they would actually sell some consoles so they could sell more copies of Mario Kart 64. It wasn't for any sort of technical difficulties, MK64 was already running on the GameCube, and the Wii U uses the same architecture.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Evan_B on December 29, 2016, 06:55:06 PM
Virtual Console is a joke. But if I can play GCN games on the go, it might be a bit less of a joke.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: ThePerm on December 29, 2016, 07:07:24 PM
With Switch they need to just have a full library of games. It needs to rival other tablet libraries. If a system started off with the combined libraries of wii and wii u at good prices then it's going to look pretty good. Nintendo has had this slow drip philosophy, but the only reason why they've done it is for marketing reason. Nintendo should have all the games on there, but just do what netflix does and have a highlight section at the top of the page(they kind of already do this with wii u).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 29, 2016, 07:24:33 PM
With Switch they need to just have a full library of games. It needs to rival other tablet libraries. If a system started off with the combined libraries of wii and wii u at good prices then it's going to look pretty good. Nintendo has had this slow drip philosophy, but the only reason why they've done it is for marketing reason. Nintendo should have all the games on there, but just do what netflix does and have a highlight section at the top of the page(they kind of already do this with wii u).
You are absolutely right. Nintendo needs to think about the Switch competing with other TABLETS not consoles. But they don't have to have too many new Gamecube and Wii releases at launch. What they need is every Virtual Console NES, SNES and N64 game launched on the Wii out DAY 1. If someone is looking for a tablet that can simply surf the net, do Netflix and play some games, then that would be a killer launch lineup and decision maker.
I would also add that if there are multiple versions of the game then try to release the BEST version of the game once. And if that means doing extra work to add new content to a different game do it. For example Super Mario 64 DS has additional Stars and characters, but obviously Super Mario 64 controls better. Release the DS version with updated better controls.
Also, Nintendo should be aggressive to get a Virtual Console again for all the other legacy systems like they did with the Wii. Get as much content out to purchase as possible. Do it as part of the new Nintendo Shop experience where everything purchased will be console forward for now on...tied to an account not a system and transferable to a new console.
Nintendo wasted a huge killer App with the Virtual Console on the Wii U, and they can't afford to do that again.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: ThePerm on December 29, 2016, 07:34:51 PM
Nintendo has a chance to take over the Tablet industry. Tablet sales are slacking and Nintendo has a better product.
Nintendo could easily modify Mario 64 with more levels. Some paintings are just wall paintings.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Adrock on December 29, 2016, 09:39:08 PM
You are absolutely right. Nintendo needs to think about the Switch competing with other TABLETS not consoles.
No.
Switch is a games machine, and Nintendo should be focused on delivering on that end. No use trying to out-iPad the iPad. Netflix, Hulu, YouTube etc. are secondary applications that are nice to have and should absolutely be there but shouldn't distract from the primary message. People should be buying a Switch to play video games.
Nintendo has a chance to take over the Tablet industry. Tablet sales are slacking and Nintendo has a better product.
Tablet sales have been declining because there isn't a great reason to upgrade every year. Even so, Nintendo has no chance of touching the tablet market because Switch isn't a tablet. It's a games machine. Switch won't get 1% of what's on the App Store/Google Play Store, and it doesn't need to. Nintendo's end goal is convincing people Switch can coexist with Playstation 4 and Xbox One.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 29, 2016, 09:53:04 PM
Adrock: If people look at the Switch not docked, they are going to immediately compare and think of it like a tablet.
Yes, Nintendo should not market it as a tablet, but should market it as a video game console, but Nintendo needs to recognize that someone looking to purchase a tablet MIGHT look at a Nintendo Switch...heck even for the reason you mentioned, there isn't much reason to upgrade....but you know what you shouldn't be upgrading your phones and tablets or electronics every 2-3 years honestly. They should be investments for at least 5-6 years, if not longer if possible. The point is people could consider buying your device if it has common things that they want in a tablet, and they could also refuse to buy it, if they think buying a tablet might be a better investment.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Adrock on December 29, 2016, 10:12:35 PM
People might compare Switch to a tablet, but that still doesn't make Switch a tablet. As soon as anyone does even a minimum amount of research, they should figure that out. The Joycons should be a dead giveaway. In the event that anyone is really that confused, it's in Nintendo's best interest to make it abundantly clear that Switch isn't a tablet because the last thing Nintendo needs is people thinking Switch mostly (or worse, only) plays touchscreen games like Candy Crush Saga. If Nintendo ever wants to be taken seriously in the console space again, it needs to really nail the marketing. What is Switch supposed to be? Not a tablet, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 29, 2016, 10:39:20 PM
I can agree with that.
And I think the reveal trailer did a good job of marketing the device correctly. I think Nintendo needs to continue that style of marketing. Focus on the games. Show the in both modes console and handheld whenever you are marketing the console. If you are marketing a game still try to show the transition.
I could see the tag image of every commercial for games being someone pulling the device out of the dock to travel, followed by the Switch logo snap animation.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 16 Days
Post by: ThePerm on December 30, 2016, 01:15:27 AM
To put it in perspective. The video game console industry in America crashed because Atari couldn't handle their ****. Nintendo had resistance to getting the NES into stores. So, they packaged it with a Toy robot. A trojan horse.
I say Nintendo has a better product and I mean it. It has better graphic capabilities than tablets and standardized controllers, which tablets lack. It's better than a tablet, but that doesn't mean Nintendo shouldn't see all other devices as competition. Nintendo will be disrupting the tablet market whether Apple and Samsung like it or not. It's not a tablet, it's not a handheld, it's not a console, it's not a laptop. It's a Switch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup 225 hours remain
Post by: ThePerm on January 01, 2017, 07:32:19 PM
something like 225 hours remain.
8pm Pacific 11pm Eastern.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 7 Days or 168 hours remain.
Post by: ThePerm on January 06, 2017, 12:31:57 AM
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 7 Days or 168 hours remain.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 06, 2017, 01:17:27 AM
One week since you looked at me Cocked your head to the side and said I'm angry
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 7 Days or 168 hours remain.
Post by: Evan_B on January 06, 2017, 02:45:20 AM
With your avatar and title, I would have accepted "I'm Batman"
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 7 Days or 168 hours remain.
Post by: ThePerm on January 06, 2017, 11:05:00 PM
6 days
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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 72 Hours Remain
Post by: Evan_B on January 09, 2017, 11:36:50 PM
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Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 72 Hours Remain
Post by: Lemonade on January 10, 2017, 03:15:30 AM
I cant wait for the Switch presentation, I new hardware is so exciting!
It starts at 12 noon for me and then the Treehouse Live is at 10:30PM, so Im going to stay up to watch that too. Its a good thing its on a friday night.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch Launch Lineup - 72 Hours Remain
Post by: ThePerm on January 11, 2017, 02:43:00 AM
