Topic: Folding@Home

[S-U-P-E-R]

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But wasting energy by leaving it on 24 hours a day isn't doing anyone any good either.

I see that's the point you're trying to make, but you have to substantiate it. Please post an article or compelling argument or ANYTHING that would indicate that the power used folding proteins is "almost offensive it's so blatantly wasteful."

Also, I'd like to point out that the power consumption of the PS3 while grinding these numbers (200w) is less than a decent PC at idle (220w).  

Edit: good to see SAGoons are still in the top ten teams

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Folding@Home sounds like Ps3's performance in japan.

I was totally mistaken.

[Caliban]

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Originally posted by: Caliban
Pfft.

I quiver at the quality of this response. Especially after you start off with:

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SETI@Home is much cooler.

which in itself is a great example of wasted research.

Yeah and calling me a clown just makes it that much better.

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Originally posted by: Caliban
The same with SETI@home, I prefer it, but who the f~ck cares about the aliens, if they exist let them come to us, we need to sort out our planet first, and then we can go kill some aliens.

[Artimus]

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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R

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But wasting energy by leaving it on 24 hours a day isn't doing anyone any good either.

I see that's the point you're trying to make, but you have to substantiate it. Please post an article or compelling argument or ANYTHING that would indicate that the power used folding proteins is "almost offensive it's so blatantly wasteful."

Uhhh, it's my opinion. We've already gone over this (as you continue ignoring any of the points I raised as you cannot answer them). You cannot quantify the research. I find it an absurd waste of money to leave the PS3 on SOLELY for that reason.

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Also, I'd like to point out that the power consumption of the PS3 while grinding these numbers (200w) is less than a decent PC at idle (220w).  

What if you were running the most basic computer? That example is not a low-end machine, which would be perfectly fine for running F@H.

[Shift Key]

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Originally posted by: Caliban
Yeah and calling me a clown just makes it that much better.

Would you rather clownboat?

And please continue on with the bitter rant about the pharmaceutical industry. Although its totally unrelated to this thread, its still great to hear someone complain about things that they actually have no experience with.

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And Arty, the PS3 is a bit more than a basic PC. I think the specs for the system that they tested there are pretty comparable. Apples and kinda-sorta-apples.

[S-U-P-E-R]

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Uhhh, it's my opinion.

Why did you start a thread to post your ridiculous opinion if you weren't planning on backing it up?

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We've already gone over this (as you continue ignoring any of the points I raised as you cannot answer them).

I can't seem to separate any of the points from your retarded, you're gonna have to repost them.

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You cannot quantify the research. I find it an absurd waste of money to leave the PS3 on SOLELY for that reason.

Right, because the PS3 is causing an energy crisis because of all the nerds that just can't stop running folding@home.

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What if you were running the most basic computer? That example is not a low-end machine, which would be perfectly fine for running F@H.

Crappy old computers use 100-200w at average use. And of course, crappy old computers don't fold proteins as fast. :3

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It's not a cost issue.

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I find it an absurd waste of money to leave the PS3 on SOLELY for that reason.

lol

[UncleBob]

Bump?

[Artimus]

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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R

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Uhhh, it's my opinion.

Why did you start a thread to post your ridiculous opinion if you weren't planning on backing it up?

I'm backing it up by explaining why. This isn't a quantifiable thing. All you can do is discuss why you have the position you do. Key word: discuss.

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We've already gone over this (as you continue ignoring any of the points I raised as you cannot answer them).

I can't seem to separate any of the points from your retarded, you're gonna have to repost them.

Very clever. Will you call me "doodie head" next?

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You cannot quantify the research. I find it an absurd waste of money to leave the PS3 on SOLELY for that reason.

Right, because the PS3 is causing an energy crisis because of all the nerds that just can't stop running folding@home.

Hyperbole kind of renders your comment irrelevant.

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What if you were running the most basic computer? That example is not a low-end machine, which would be perfectly fine for running F@H.

Crappy old computers use 100-200w at average use. And of course, crappy old computers don't fold proteins as fast. :3

So it's ok for you to just make up numbers?

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It's not a cost issue.

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I find it an absurd waste of money to leave the PS3 on SOLELY for that reason.

lol

That was a typo, I meant energy not money.

[oohhboy]

One could donate money to a foundation for rescearch at 10 a month or they can run Folding. When you give money, you don't know where it's going, for all you know it could be buying donuts for the dying. This way you can account for every cent spent. You could say that they could have spent that same money on buying a super computer, but compared to what they can get from distributed computing, it is ineffectient use of money. They would have to buy the computer, house it, maintain it, feed it, idle time expensive.

With Folding, you have already purchased the hardware for other uses. Idle time cost you nothing since you can run anything else of value to you. You house it in space you have readily avaliable, you and Sony maintain it, the only extra cost to you is power and your internet connect which would also run idle otherwise.

As interesting as it is pointlessly discussing the economics of making a donation, whether is is virtual or otherwise, there are articals out there looks into how much power the internet consumes. It is mind boggling to see how much power it takes to enable me, for you, to see this sentance on the screen in front of you. Ask yourself whether it is worth running it all so people can communicate faster, more percisely than ever before. All the information and porn in the world at your finger tips. Would it really be worthwhile to turn it off because it uses alot of energy?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

If this is what the ps3's usefulness has come down to, then yeah the ps3 is really "folding@home".

[lain sup]

Ty isn't "making numbers up" with the PSU thing. My four year old computer has a 420 watt PSU, and I just sold it. Built it 4 years ago and the NORM for PCs now is 400+ if you game at all. Cutting edge people ? Upwards of 1000w. I've followed anandtech, HardOCP for years and years which is obviously ahead of the curve when it comes to PSUs, but I also work for the ronald mcdonald house.

A non-profit, charity organization that is passed down total crap computers. Most of their computers have a PSU of at least 200w. Not a single person I know online or off has one below 300 that they actively use.

Do you have any idea how the PS3 works, or a basic computer for that matter? The Folding process doesn't even utilize the GPU, which is the /biggest/ pull on the system's PSU. It's harmless and you are blowing this way out of proportion.

I feel like I've stumbled onto something comparable to a Gaia online political debate minus pictures of BU$H LOOKIN LIKE A MONKEY LOL

Professional 666: Just because no one quoted your unfunny bitter Wii fanboy quip, doesn't mean we didn't see it. Yes, we realize you hate the PS3. Thanks. stop posting.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

You don't have to quote me to read what I posted.  Since you've already come out to express your appreciation, i'll keep posting!

[Shift Key]

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Originally posted by: lain sup
I feel like I've stumbled onto something comparable to a Gaia online political debate minus pictures of BU$H LOOKIN LIKE A MONKEY LOL

Professional 666: Just because no one quoted your unfunny bitter Wii fanboy quip, doesn't mean we didn't see it. Yes, we realize you hate the PS3. Thanks. stop posting.

Quiet, newbie. Respect isn't something that is handed out on the street corner.

EDIT: LLORTLLORT

[manunited4eva22]

This is about the third time I've posted since I left with mouse. I just can't stand seeing such unqualified stupidity.

Folding@home is a waste of resources? Since you do absolutely nothing to back up your assertion, let me just go ahead and do it for you.

According to the folding@home stats site (available here) There are around 30,000 active CPUs, and just for the sake of ease, we will just call that 50,000 active CPUs.

The PS3 runs at about 200Wh. For the entire system, thats about 1MWh. In your strange little world of power equivalences, this is to be considered a lot of energy. Just for reference, a 30hp engine is outputting 25,000W, which is about the hp used for everyday cruising. In other words, if there were 40 less cars driving an hour in the world, that would offset the power used by folding@home for the ps3 module.

Now for the facts of folding@home, and the good it provides.

There have been over 50 peer reviewed papers released, with dozens in the pipelines.

The first computer based, peer reviewed article, about the misfolding of a protein responsible for 50% of all cancers. Significant research into the causes and into understand Mad Cow Disease, Alzheimer's, Huntington's disease, Parkinson's, and of course cancer, just to name a few.

Millions upon millions of people are affected by these diseases, many doomed to death, prolonged suffering, and long term, inefficient, and expensive treatments. You bitch and moan about the waste of energy, yet don't even think about the amount of energy poured into the creation of drugs that are in the end less effective in that they often can only slow down a disease, and will require the production of that drug for years in highly energy inefficient methods.

You can also ignore the billions of dollars that are lost to insurance, malpractice, and general health care for sufferers, because of these diseases. Strictly from a monetary view, the research on these diseases is worth far, far, more, than the equivalent costs.

The next time you feel the need to apply your juvenile moral superiority on subjects you don't understand and refuse to learn about, just go ahead and slap yourself in the face. If you are going to act in a way that is the equivalent of a slap in the face to those whom you marginalize due to your lack of knowledge, you might as well make it square and do it to yourself too.

 

[Kairon]

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This is about the third time I've posted since I left with mouse. I just can't stand seeing such unqualified stupidity.

Folding@home is a waste of resources? Since you do absolutely nothing to back up your assertion, let me just go ahead and do it for you.

According to the folding@home stats site (available here) There are around 30,000 active CPUs, and just for the sake of ease, we will just call that 50,000 active CPUs.

The PS3 runs at about 200Wh. For the entire system, thats about 1MWh. In your strange little world of power equivalences, this is to be considered a lot of energy. Just for reference, a 30hp engine is outputting 25,000W, which is about the hp used for everyday cruising. In other words, if there were 40 less cars driving an hour in the world, that would offset the power used by folding@home for the ps3 module.

Now for the facts of folding@home, and the good it provides.

There have been over 50 peer reviewed papers released, with dozens in the pipelines.

The first computer based, peer reviewed article, about the misfolding of a protein responsible for 50% of all cancers. Significant research into the causes and into understand Mad Cow Disease, Alzheimer's, Huntington's disease, Parkinson's, and of course cancer, just to name a few.

Millions upon millions of people are affected by these diseases, many doomed to death, prolonged suffering, and long term, inefficient, and expensive treatments. You bitch and moan about the waste of energy, yet don't even think about the amount of energy poured into the creation of drugs that are in the end less effective in that they often can only slow down a disease, and will require the production of that drug for years in highly energy inefficient methods.

You can also ignore the billions of dollars that are lost to insurance, malpractice, and general health care for sufferers, because of these diseases. Strictly from a monetary view, the research on these diseases is worth far, far, more, than the equivalent costs.

The next time you feel the need to apply your juvenile moral superiority on subjects you don't understand and refuse to learn about, just go ahead and slap yourself in the face. If you are going to act in a way that is the equivalent of a slap in the face to those whom you marginalize due to your lack of knowledge, you might as well make it square and do it to yourself too.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com