Post by: Noble~Feather on January 08, 2005, 11:34:52 PM
I've heard several people (can't speak for this forum) worry and think the Revolution won't be something truely revolutionsary.
Well, I've recently talked to a developer who is working on Revolution software, and out of desperity (sp), I asked him if he could give any Revolution details.
And it worked. Currently, I know the media format and even about a Revolution game. (I promised him I wouldn't tell any of the big details he gave me)
But the developer told me that the Revolution, is in fact, going to be revolutionary, which is basically the message I'm getting across here.
So there's no need to worry; Revolution is going to be here to kick @$$ and take names.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 09, 2005, 12:43:57 AM
Good to know that. But still the name revolution is better either a hint at something revolving or the most arrogant codename there ever was. Hell, let's codename the next one AweXome (spelt with X for Xtra awesomeness), screw modesty! And hey, let Strong Bad himself promote the system! He could kick Reggies ass to hell and back! And now, for something completely different.
I hope this will turn out to be positive. A problem I'm seeing is the human tendency to apply square logic to circular problems if they are used to squares, in other words that people will consider the revolutions abilities a hindrance to making traditional games instead of a tool to create new ones. You can make any game with any sufficiently advanced set of controls though you might need to adjust the control mechanism. Of course, customers get upset by unusual solutions as well. Think of the Metroid Prime control scheme: While clearly superior to the old dual stick setup people wanted their old controls back, simply because they're used to it. I wonder if this will hurt the Rev's potential userbase...
Oh, a question you're probably allowed to answer: Does the game sound interesting?
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 09, 2005, 12:51:06 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 09, 2005, 03:18:03 AM
Post by: odifiend on January 09, 2005, 03:31:12 AM
A question you're probably not allowed to answer: What letter of the alphabet does the developer start with?
and the next couple as well
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 09, 2005, 02:23:12 PM
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Originally posted by: odifiend
The thing that excites me more about this potential inside info is that it means that developers have revolution software after the rumors going around that Nintendo was being slow to get it out.
A question you're probably not allowed to answer: What letter of the alphabet does the developer start with?
and the next couple as well
Haha, why would you want to know the name of the developer anyway?
I don't know the name of the developer, ironically.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 10, 2005, 07:28:23 AM
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 10, 2005, 07:33:32 AM
... a city with a certain well-known GC developer in it.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on January 10, 2005, 06:04:22 PM
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 10, 2005, 07:41:40 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Because he'd like to know who's enlisted for Rev development?
You mean what company he works for?
I can't tell you that. Because if I told you, you would autamatically know what Revo. game I'm talking about.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 10, 2005, 08:02:23 PM
Though that wouldn't really tell us much. We can kind of assume such a sequel would be released.
Post by: Caillan on January 10, 2005, 08:20:38 PM
Retro has only ever completed Metroid Prime games, but they've worked on others as well. Nintendo might give them a break after their recent milking of the Metroid franchise, they at least deserve it. Remember N-Sider stating RPG's design document was 700 pages? By normal American standards, a large one is about 30. RPG was most likely scrapped because it was too ambitious, but it would be perfect for a Revolution launch title: a massive game that can be created relatively quickly because there's already so much design work done on it. In short, I don't think we can assume Retro another MP title without more evidence.
SK's only anticipated and well-known title is Too Human. What city is it, Ty?
Or it could all be a lie.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 10, 2005, 10:59:27 PM
Post by: oohhboy on January 11, 2005, 12:48:29 AM
I personally think that fan-made content for a console would be revolutionary for the market. That thing has a hard drive right? Why waste space on installing the game when you can install and tap into what can be and endless supply of content.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 11, 2005, 02:26:55 AM
I desire Raven Blade greatly... ^_^
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 11, 2005, 03:20:37 AM
However, you must realize that although they deserve the chance, any original game made won't be as big as Metroid...And even Retro Studios themselves may not want to take that chance. Right now they are batting 2 for 2. If they can create another 3rd game with the quality of the first 2, then they can prove themselves as designers better than most in the market.
Although, if they could do that same achievement with an original RPG then wow. Who knows Nintendo may have asked them to purposely scrap the game for the cube, so that they could have it for later.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 11, 2005, 05:24:01 AM
This could also be Wave Race or 1080 from NST, I suppose, but then we couldn't automatically guess what game it is, so my money is on Metroid or Pilot Wings. Ha ha, guessing games are fun!
Noble~Feather: good on you for protecting your source, even though it drives me crazy.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 11, 2005, 06:13:20 AM
Nope, Retro have stated themselves that they would like to keep the Metroid series, but would also like to work on some original games...
Post by: nemo_83 on January 11, 2005, 09:04:53 PM
I feel that a new control format for the Revolution will get rid of the complicated setup in the Prime games. Fluid aiming and character movement will be made possible with new controllers (look to Metroid Hunters).
Post by: ruby_onix on January 11, 2005, 09:39:25 PM
His first two posts suggest that he either lives on the East Coast and wakes up far too early, or lives on the West Coast and stays up far too late. But those would actually be normal hours... if he lived in either Europe or Japan!
His second two posts tend to rule out Europe, and suggest that Japan is more likely.
So he's someone from a city in Japan.
Someone needs to list all the Japanese developers who are "known" for something, and what city they're in.
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 12, 2005, 01:17:19 AM
Caillan: It's not Silicon Knights.
ruby_onix: I LOL @ U 4 thinking I live in JPN.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 12, 2005, 05:39:20 AM
I'll just wait. We're bound to see something at E3, and that's just a few months away.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 12, 2005, 06:02:42 AM
Post by: odifiend on January 12, 2005, 06:15:33 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 12, 2005, 07:54:05 AM
Either way, the time says nothing. Some people stay up until 4 at night, some wake up at 5 in the morning.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 12, 2005, 11:30:39 AM
Except he says it's not Silicon Knights, either. Isn't that the developer for the hypothetical Too Human? Anyway, just thinkin'.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 12, 2005, 08:25:18 PM
2) He didn't say it wasn't Factor 5.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 13, 2005, 07:50:20 AM
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 13, 2005, 08:25:29 AM
Post by: The Omen on January 13, 2005, 09:31:48 PM
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I used my admin x-ray powers and his IP is from a small ISP in ...
... a city with a certain well-known GC developer in it.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 13, 2005, 11:56:22 PM
But, hey, who knows. I once knew about a game that I couldn't talk about, which would have been great except it was five years ago, and the game was "like NBA Jam, but with BASEBALL!!1"
Absolutely thrilling
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on January 14, 2005, 04:05:59 PM
wow i suck at this
Post by: Savior on January 14, 2005, 04:49:15 PM
Id like some more beef than that. Why will the Revolution be Revolutionary?
Post by: nickmitch on January 14, 2005, 07:18:49 PM
Update: He could be Canadian. Any Canadian developers? Sweedish maybe?
Post by: KDR_11k on January 14, 2005, 09:07:59 PM
Post by: Savior on January 15, 2005, 05:15:16 AM
I could say i know the Revolution will be big, i could be making it up...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 15, 2005, 05:56:51 AM
Post by: Savior on January 15, 2005, 06:28:59 AM
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I know the media format
If he spilled the beans on this, we would know if its legit. Once E3 Rolls in, if its the same Media Format then its true... if not then hes making it up. Its just to fishy. I dont regularly belive what anyone says on the internet...
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 15, 2005, 09:11:46 AM
[I never said anything ignore this post]
Post by: Savior on January 15, 2005, 10:52:25 AM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on January 15, 2005, 11:24:26 AM
BUT if he's telling the truth, we should still lynch him!!! But I think that format would be adequate...unless they go mini again :-X
JK Noble.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 15, 2005, 02:45:55 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on January 16, 2005, 11:19:34 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 16, 2005, 11:39:51 PM
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now that is big. And it makes me happy cause its what i wanted on the revolution
What did he want on revolution, I wonder?
The truth is out there.
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 17, 2005, 12:11:36 AM
It's not a guess. Again, you'll see at E3.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 17, 2005, 12:23:57 AM
Come on. Somebody was bound to figure that much out from Savior's post. If you want I can re-edit everything out.
"It's not a guess. Again, you'll see at E3. "
Yeah, either way.
Post by: Artimus on January 17, 2005, 06:36:08 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 17, 2005, 06:41:50 AM
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 17, 2005, 06:43:46 AM
I may be too late.
F^%$.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 17, 2005, 06:50:24 AM
Here's a hint: it's not cartridges. Oh crap I said too much!
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 17, 2005, 06:54:48 AM
I will speak on this subject no more.
Post by: vudu on January 17, 2005, 08:48:15 AM
QuoteJudging from this, you can reasonably assume that the developer has seen Xenon's (and quite possible PS3's) specs, and therefore isn't a second-party.
The developer said, in terms of graphics & power, "Xenon will win in some places, Revolution will win in most places."
So much for Retro.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 17, 2005, 10:15:19 AM
As for me, I could care less what the format is, so long as it's compatible with the system
Post by: ruby_onix on January 17, 2005, 01:07:44 PM
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You guys, why don't you just say? No one can sue you. Noble~Feather has an obligation but no one else does. Share a little?
To everyone: It was never Noble's secret to share. Just respect that and drop the subject.
The whole system's gonna get unveiled in two months anyways, so what does it matter? Even with that one detail (assuming it's true), you still won't know squat about the Revolution.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 18, 2005, 07:33:48 AM
Post by: vudu on January 18, 2005, 07:46:48 AM
As for your second question, I took about thirty seconds out of my life and browsed the the stickied Revolution thread. Savior seems to be a fan of Blue Ray.
Post by: Artimus on January 18, 2005, 07:54:28 AM
Turqoise Without Green Jamie Foxx Role
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 18, 2005, 08:00:04 AM
Post by: odifiend on January 18, 2005, 11:17:27 AM
Post by: Artimus on January 18, 2005, 11:53:53 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on January 18, 2005, 12:25:04 PM
I hope the rest of you think that detail was worth it, because the chances of Noble ever opening his mouth again seem to be dropping like a rock.
Post by: The Omen on January 18, 2005, 12:25:43 PM
Really, they have to be careful here. If HD-dvd becomes the standard, what will they do then? Then again, if all 3 consoles choose Bluray, I'm sure that'll usher in BluRay being embraced over Hddvd.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 18, 2005, 12:42:03 PM
What difference does it make? Game consoles are proprietary. Movie playback may be a problem but console games are unaffected by standards.
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 18, 2005, 12:59:35 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Thanks Mr Spillthebeans Numbers 2&3.
I hope the rest of you think that detail was worth it, because the chances of Noble ever opening his mouth again seem to be dropping like a rock.
^ Smart kid.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 18, 2005, 01:02:23 PM
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Originally posted by: kingvudu
Truth - Nobel originally posted his message at 2:11 PM and then edited it at 5:47 PM. I think it's safe to assume something important was there for about three and a half hours. But we'll never know what.
I know it's already been 'revealed', but I suggest that if you want to know what he supposedly knows, you should just follow the link in his sig. It's not hard to figure out where to go from there.
Post by: Savior on January 18, 2005, 03:01:28 PM
So really were back to square one. People seem to be making much ado about nothing. With the conflicting reports we dont know whose right
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on January 18, 2005, 04:24:42 PM
actually i just dont like that particular play
Post by: MattVDB on January 18, 2005, 05:22:18 PM
If Blue-Ray becomes the gaming standard, and HD DVD become the Hollywood standard, how are we one step closer to the "complete entertainment center"? It's a split market. Nobody likes those. Microsoft seems to think that this is where game consoles are going though, and with Blue-Ray being pushed back to next year, it leaves them with really only one choice if they do launch this year, right? So, say Microsoft chooses HD, and Sony Blue Ray, what if Nintendo picks wrong? Won't they get the same acusations against them next gen as they did this gen? So, which one should they pick? I don't think the answer is so clear.
Post by: Savior on January 18, 2005, 06:12:24 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on January 18, 2005, 06:56:59 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 18, 2005, 07:28:21 PM
We're not and that's a GOOD thing. I want either Sony's or Microsoft's entertainment center plans to bomb huge. The further it gets from games the worse the industry will become for those that regard gaming as an artform. As for Nintendo they'll be fine provided they're not the odd man out. If MS and Sony pick opposite formats then as long as Nintendo goes with one of those formats they're not the oddball. I agree with Savior in that going with Sony's format is the safer bet.
But I doubt Nintendo will even have Blue Ray or HD DVD movie support. Unlike DVDs these formats are not widespread enough for people to have a significant interest in them at this point and Nintendo has nothing to gain from pushing a proprietary movie format like Sony does. And the general public only recently got into DVDs. Regardless of what all these electronic companies want the general public has no need or want to replace their current movie collections. VHS lasted for decades and DVD was a huge step up so people were willing to switch. DVD is too new for people to want to drop it so soon. I figure Nintendo might put DVD support in the machine just to shut up all the people that complained about it last time but I seriously doubt they will put in anything else.
Post by: Artimus on January 18, 2005, 08:14:36 PM
Post by: MattVDB on January 18, 2005, 08:58:24 PM
You doubt Nintendo will use either upcoming format, and the thought of that scares me. Almost as much as them picking the wrong of the two. The PS2 hit just as DVDs were taking off, and it took advantage of that. What's to say that won't happen again? The frequency of products? I'd buy that except for one thing: how often do you upgrade your computer? Your game console? We are in a world where products come in one door, and exit the other at a very quick rate. Just because it seems like DVDs just took off doesn't mean another format won't have the same effect in another few years.
You say, match the market leader. In a year from now though, who is that exactly? Should Nintendo really match Sony? The month of December had more Xboxes sold then PS2s, and I'm pretty sure that was the trend during Q4, not sure exactly though... Well, a year from now Microsoft will have their next system out, and will have the head start. That will make Microsoft effectively the market leader next gen, for that year at least. How long before that changes? Will Xbox2 pull a PS2 and not lose dominance? It's hard to say. (I say this not to say "Doom on Nintendo", on the contrary. I say give them more credit. They get ragged on all the time for poor choices, but which one here is the right one?)
Post by: vudu on January 19, 2005, 08:14:46 AM
QuoteI really hope I'm not counted in there. I didn't do anything other than take a quick look at what format Savior prefers.
Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Thanks Mr Spillthebeans Numbers 2&3.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 19, 2005, 08:33:46 AM
Sony is a safer bet because they dominate in all the major game markets while MS is a total flop in Japan. North American gamers like Japanese games much more than Japanese gamers like American games. So as a result MS will never get really strong support from the major Japanese third parties which will always limit how far they can go in all markets. MS might be able to become number one in America but they can't be number one in the world. Since Nintendo cares about both the Japanese and North American market copying Sony is a safer bet. Plus just being the first one out doesn't ensure dominance. Technically the Saturn was the market leader in North America for a little while because it was the first and at the time only console available for the 32/64 bit generation. That certainly didn't do anything for them. The PS2's situation was very exceptional since the N64 and Dreamcast died very shortly after the PS2 launched so for a few months the PS2 was literally the only console available with new games coming out.
Post by: Koopa Troopa on January 19, 2005, 08:40:12 AM
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Here's a hint: it's not cartridges. Oh crap I said too much!
=( Maybe next-next generation.
Post by: The Omen on January 19, 2005, 10:34:55 AM
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"Really, they have to be careful here. If HD-dvd becomes the standard, what will they do then?"
What difference does it make? Game consoles are proprietary. Movie playback may be a problem but console games are unaffected by standards.
Well, it is a problem because all those DVD owners,who bought the PS2 for the DVD player, will want to upgrade. And if Blu Ray is the next standard, and Nintendo goes HDDVD, I think it's a huge hit on sales. The PS3 will sell huge out the gate just for Blu ray.(assuming the Xenon and Revolution go Hddvd an it turns out to not be the standard.) Really, all these dvd players out in the market will be upgraded, and I think having the right format is absolutely necassary.
Post by: Savior on January 19, 2005, 01:28:57 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 19, 2005, 01:39:52 PM
Microsoft isn't stupid. What if they do the smart thing? What if they hold off Halo 3 until the Xbox 2?
I can see the whole PS2 situation happening again... for Microsoft this time.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on January 19, 2005, 02:25:04 PM
if they dont, however, then they are a bunch of eFing inbred morons
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 19, 2005, 03:19:17 PM
Sorry, forgot to turn off devil's advocate mode.
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 19, 2005, 09:09:47 PM
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 20, 2005, 12:41:42 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Here comes the devil's advocate to ruin the day...
Microsoft isn't stupid. What if they do the smart thing? What if they hold off Halo 3 until the Xbox 2?
I can see the whole PS2 situation happening again... for Microsoft this time.
No where near mate.
Shorty McNostril: That would be dumb.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 20, 2005, 04:42:44 AM
HD-DVD vs BluRay: I don't care, and I don't think it will make a difference as long as Nintendo doesn't choose a proprietary format that's more expensive or smaller. Some are talking about IF one of these becomes the Hollywood standard. The thing is, DVDs WERE the new standard by the time the PS2 came out. I personally doubt that the general public will want to move to a new format for at least two years, so it probably won't make a difference until people have already formed opinions about the consoles based on what really matters: games. Nintendo probably won't include movie playback either way, so it really doesn't matter in the end.
Post by: odifiend on January 20, 2005, 05:01:14 AM
I agree that the public isn't going to go out and immediately buy BluRay or HD-DVD, especially since any machine that runs them is backward compatible with regular DVDs. I think Nintendo if they are using either BluRay or HD-DVD should just go ahead and give consumers movie playback. I mean why not if the game and movie formats are the same?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2005, 07:15:20 AM
Post by: odifiend on January 20, 2005, 08:56:35 AM
Post by: Savior on January 20, 2005, 09:07:18 AM
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movie playback.
I think Movie Playback is a given judging from some Iwata comments.... while not making it a set top box, giving consumers the option is a good buisness investment
Post by: matt oz on January 20, 2005, 09:27:01 AM
As someone else on this topic already stated, if a general consumer is looking at two systems, and the price difference is let's say $100, they will pick the system with movie playback because it does something else.
Even though I have a DVD player in my computer, and one at home on the main TV, when I'm home, I use my PS2 as a DVD player, because it's right there in my room. It's one added feature that makes me like the system that much more. Did I buy it just for the DVD playback? No. But it certainly makes the purchase more worthwhile for me, because it does something that my Gamecube can't.
Anyway, to conclude my rant, movie playback is a must for the Revolution. Even if Blu-ray or HD-DVD aren't even being used yet in 2006, the ability to play movies on them must be built into the system. It'll make it just that much better.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 20, 2005, 11:39:19 AM
Post by: The Omen on January 21, 2005, 01:31:03 PM
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Anyway, to conclude my rant, movie playback is a must for the Revolution. Even if Blu-ray or HD-DVD aren't even being used yet in 2006, the ability to play movies on them must be built into the system. It'll make it just that much better.
HD-Dvd announced the first releases(about 90 movies) which begin being released this year. I'm sure Blu Ray will follow suit.
The number one reason I want movie playback is people like myself. I want to upgrade to either BluRay or HDdvd in a year or two.(hopefully it's Hd because the players are backwards compatible with standard DVD.) To me it adds more incentive for me. I want a HDdvd player, and I want the new Nintendo. It would be nice to have both, especially if it's the standard. If it's not, then it's a moot point.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 21, 2005, 09:43:06 PM
Post by: Jusic on January 22, 2005, 02:59:42 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 22, 2005, 05:16:13 AM
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 23, 2005, 06:00:43 PM
Blu-Ray >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD DVD
Post by: Artimus on January 24, 2005, 01:22:25 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 24, 2005, 04:31:54 AM
I'd say Nintendo should go with a slightly smaller BRD with a cartridge, that would be hard to pirate effectively and still provide enough space.
Post by: odifiend on January 24, 2005, 05:04:28 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Sony promises that BluRay can go up to 200GB in the future, 50 is already possible. HD-DVD goes up to 30GB and doesn't promise any more.
I'd say Nintendo should go with a slightly smaller BRD with a cartridge, that would be hard to pirate effectively and still provide enough space.
But then that prevents movie playback which from listening to Iwata, is not what Nintendo is going for. In a press conference, he made it sound like the exclusion of movie playback hurt the cube.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 24, 2005, 09:05:22 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 25, 2005, 07:06:10 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 25, 2005, 09:40:26 AM
Post by: Sunshine_HappyPants on January 25, 2005, 12:03:45 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
At the end of the day, I think Nintendo should choose the format that is best for it's true purpose: games. .
Yes yes YES! And, given it's flexable storage capacity and inherant rewritability, blu-ray has exponentially more potential in terms of games than does HD-DVD. I really wish I could make the following sound more informed and exciting in the PGC front-page fashion that we all know and love, but I'm no writer. Let me just say that having a rewritable media would allow Nintendo to ressurect and refurbish all of the brilliant and, dare I say, "revolutionary" features that remain to this day a 64-DD idle boast. Assuming Nintendo establishes a network infrastructure of some sort by then, things like bonus tracks in Mario Kart and new songs in Donkey Konga could be downloaded onto your revolution while you're away, asleep, or even playing a different game automatically onto the Revo's HDD, and then written onto the Mario Kart/Donkey Konga game disk at a later date freeing up valuable drive space for things like game-saves and other awsome downloadable features that I dream about and prematurely declair to be awsome. It'd be like Xbox live meets RAND-NET meets a mound of cocaine, do you follow me?
I havn't slept in about 2 days, sorry if I ramble.
Another thing about the prospect of Nintendo having to pay a royalty to Sony for each disk....
Before we get hung-up on that one again, I say we examine the upcoming format war in a little more detail.
In HD-DVD's corner we have Toshiba, Sanyo and NEC, the latter-most being the rumored manufacturor of the Revolution's processor(s). In the oposite corner we have, of course Sony, and yet another colaborator by the name of Matsushita AKA Panosonic. Given Nintendo's considerable clout with Panasonic I'm pretty sure they could utilize BR in the Revolution without ever giving Sony a thin dime.
...The NEC item seems to suggest HD-DVD however, which is why I still think this is the safer bet. But given the Big N's ties with both electronic firms, maybe the possibility of the Revolution using both formats may not be entirely out of the question. It might be some sort of dream arrangement with Blu-ray being utilized in game software and HD-DVD soley for video playback! Huh!? I can always dream, but not if I never sleep, so I'm going to bed before I freak out.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 25, 2005, 08:14:22 PM
Besides, NEC doesn't supply the Rev processors, IBM does. And it would strike me as un-nintendoish to support two formats for video playback.
Post by: ruby_onix on January 26, 2005, 07:43:29 PM
Post by: odifiend on January 27, 2005, 02:33:10 AM
Post by: bmfrosty on January 27, 2005, 12:36:45 PM
Post by: Cube_King on January 27, 2005, 06:59:18 PM
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Originally posted by: bmfrosty
Well. If nintendo uses a cartridged optical disc (like the latest rumors seem to think), they can build a memory card into the cartridge. The traditional memory card comes in only as overspill. This would also kill the need to include a hard drive. It's function in the XBOX was mostly as a Giant memory card. The playstation used it as a big cache for final fantasy and other games that were badly inhibited by the ps2's slow dvd drive.
Well if Nintendo wants to take the Revolution online, which they have stated that they want to, I think it would be better if they built a hard drive into the console.
Post by: nemo_83 on January 27, 2005, 09:28:44 PM
Post by: bmfrosty on January 27, 2005, 10:55:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Cube_King
Well if Nintendo wants to take the Revolution online, which they have stated that they want to, I think it would be better if they built a hard drive into the console.
That's a minimum extra $50 per unit for a perepheral that gets mostly used as a crutch by lazy developers. Nintendo would be much smarter to take advantage of moore's law. Put a usb port and power source on the bottom of the console, make the system capable of dealing with usb mass storage devices (external hard drives, thumb drives). Release specs and guidelines for using a USB HD to the developers in such a way that they can use one without breaking other developers's data. Any third party can release a USB MSD that fits snugly on the unit, any developer can make use of it as extra storage.
When the killer app comes that needs a hard drive is on the table, Nintendo can release the peripheral as a pak-in ala FFXI.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 28, 2005, 03:35:12 AM
It would also allow you to do cool stuff like edit photos to put into your games, create custom music files to play, and much more.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on January 28, 2005, 11:56:46 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 28, 2005, 04:20:29 PM
Post by: Noble~Feather on January 30, 2005, 03:11:40 PM
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Matt from IGN Cube says in the IGN mailbag that he doesn't know anything about the Rev's format, but that he pretty much thinks that Nintendo has always been incompetent about storage media, so he thinks that Nintendo will go with standard, ordinary, pirate-friendly DVD for the Revolution.
And he's more wrong than Michael Jackson.
Post by: jimbojim on January 30, 2005, 03:35:48 PM
Post by: BigJim on January 31, 2005, 12:44:42 AM
Second, even many EA people don't have any real idea what Revolution is about. Nintendo's not likely going to talk until the spring when they're ready to trickle out a few REAL dev kits for developers to look at. Comparatively, Xbox 2 development is well under way. PS3 development is happening to a lesser extent. And Revolution is almost not at all. (I'm talking EA, and can't speak for any other developers.)
What you can likely take from that is that Xbox is launching first, and if the PS3 and Revolution launch in a similar time frame, the PS3 will have more games in volume at launch. But what else is new?
Take those nuggets for what they're worth (virtually nothing). I'm not too concerned about saying it's from an EA person since it's untraceable. The specs were very briefly posted on a projection screen during an EA all-hands meeting last summer or fall. Can't trace that when there are hundreds of suspects.
Commentary:
Flash isn't really a desireable option for storage, other than game saves. That type of media is SLOW. They're getting faster, but there's no indication that they'll attain a decent speed, at a cheap enough price, in the next year.
A basic 40 meg HD in mass quantity is considerably less than $50 per unit. That's their common retail price. If you believe the Revolution will sell at-cost or slightly under, you're only looking at a low 2-digit cost as an OEM part, and thus only that much added to the system price. For the speed and capacity consideration, a HD is still the better choice.
Hard drives will become important because of the way graphics are headed. You need a fast storage medium to load the high-res textures from. You can't just pull it off a disc as-needed anymore. That's load time mayhem right there.
Post by: Famicom on January 31, 2005, 02:16:36 AM
EDIT: Found a link. Even with the discs slated to be ready by the end of 05, I still don't see Ninty taking the risk.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on January 31, 2005, 04:42:26 AM
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Matt from IGN Cube says in the IGN mailbag that he doesn't know anything about the Rev's format, but that he pretty much thinks that Nintendo has always been incompetent about storage media, so he thinks that Nintendo will go with standard, ordinary, pirate-friendly DVD for the Revolution.
That alone proves him an idiot, nintendo has never been incompetent about their media formats, the whole point has been to prevent piracy, and its worked.
That's the key to finding out what ninty will use next gen, what format will give them adequate capacity, while preventing piracy.
This is why i don't see Blu-ray or HD-DVD or normal DVD being the formats, all three are too easily pirated.
Post by: jimbojim on January 31, 2005, 05:36:39 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on January 31, 2005, 05:50:11 AM
CD-R
CD-RW
DVD+R
ZIP
DVD-RW
Super DLT
3480
Clik!
9840
Mini-disk
SD1
AIT WORM
Bernoulli disk
UDO Rewriteable
DD-R
Professional Disc for DATA
Magneto-Optical disk
Floppy disk
DVD-RAM
8mm tape
WORM disk
Jaz
ADR
SyJet
DVD-R (8cm)
1/2" reel tape
DVD-RW (8cm)
SD-3
LS-240 (SuperDisk)
DIR
PocketZip
DD-RW
DVD-RAM (8cm)
DAT
QIC
Travan
SLR
AIT
Ditto
Magstar
CD-RW (8cm)
PD (rewritable)
DVD+R (dual layer)
DTF
Iomega REV
9940
SparQ
S-AIT
3590
DVD-R
DLT
LTO Ultrium
DVD+RW
LS-120 (SuperDisk)
CD-R (8cm)
VXAtape
SyQuest
3490E
Peerless
ORB
Irwin
HiFD
UDO Write Once
Professional Disc for DATA (rewritable)
Now most of these are not ones which are viable alternatives.
Nor is this a complete list.
But my point is there are other storage formats available, as a result there are alternatives to using one of the three DVD formats.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 31, 2005, 07:10:05 AM
Post by: jimbojim on January 31, 2005, 08:18:44 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2005, 09:56:58 AM
Holographic Versatile Disc or HVD
it reported to hold up to about 1TB (1terrabyte = 1024gigabytes)
Imagine this disc resized to GC size, it could still have 500gb on a tiny disc
or THIS disc from Hitachi - it holds 200gb.
shrunk to a 3" disc it could still hold 80-120 gb
Post by: norebonomis on January 31, 2005, 11:53:24 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2005, 11:54:29 AM
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Originally posted by: norebonomis
doesn't the gamecube spin it's disks backwards? i'm to lazy to walk over and test it out...
no.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 31, 2005, 01:52:46 PM
Post by: BigJim on February 01, 2005, 01:31:43 AM
That is how DVD players read the second layer of DVDs. (They go in-to-out, then go from out-to-in for the 2nd layer). This implies that the first layer on GC discs is either blank or contains some kind of l33t data. Even to this day it's still not widely known exactly what's on the first layer. Unless I missed the explanation somewhere.
I forgot to mention before that I also heard that the Revolution and xbox2 media capacities were roughly the same... Whether or not that means they actually use the same format, I don't know.
Blu-ray capacity is 50GB, HD-DVD is 30GB. If Nintendo went with blu-ray (or blu-ray-esque) and made the first layer blank again, that would bring the disc close to 25GB... making them almost even. But that's just my speculation.
Post by: norebonomis on February 01, 2005, 10:49:02 AM
looks like all three systems are going to be revealed at e3, i hope nintendo's system steals people away from the other two evils.
Post by: jimbojim on February 03, 2005, 05:44:21 AM
Yeah you heard me, I like ps3 too but in my heart Nintendo is first so in the console war I'd like to see Nintendo=1st
Sony=2nd....Xbox good LAST.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 03, 2005, 06:22:24 AM
Post by: nickmitch on February 05, 2005, 05:08:13 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 05, 2005, 05:54:23 PM
Post by: Caillan on February 05, 2005, 06:11:32 PM
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Square-Enix is already a 3rd party...It's just that SE likes being with the market leader...
Yes, but Sony has shares to extend its influence. The Saturn was selling better than the PS in Japan when they made FFIV. If SE are going to move away from Sony, then some sort of financial intervention will probably be required. They'll also likely be asked to make a high-profile title for PS3 launch, which means they'll have experience with PS3 development kits.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on February 05, 2005, 07:30:39 PM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on February 06, 2005, 03:42:15 AM
Post by: Mr. Saturn on February 06, 2005, 07:30:17 AM
My first question is, will the Revolution impress 3rd party developers, or will most 3rd party developers shun the Revolution because its too different. And my second question is will the Revolution impress the mainstream gaming media?
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 06, 2005, 07:47:08 AM
Post by: Noble~Feather on February 06, 2005, 08:13:53 AM
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My first question is, will the Revolution impress 3rd party developers, or will most 3rd party developers shun the Revolution because its too different. And my second question is will the Revolution impress the mainstream gaming media?
Well, I can't predict the future, but...
1) I have a feeling that some 3rd party publishers will shun Revo, but only the ones who haven't seen a damn thing of it. Once everyone sees Revo, yes, I have a strong feeling 3rd parties will flood there way to the Revo. I know the devs that have seen Revo are very, very, very satisfied with it.
In answer to your Q; YES.
2) I'm not sure how I would answer that, but I'm sure people will except it, even more so than the DS. Also, I can almost assure you we won't see the negativity that we see with the DS.
Keep in mind, I've never seen the Revo in person, but I have been thoroughly explained to about it, so I can concretely give you these details. In other words, I can assure you all of this information.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 06, 2005, 08:21:02 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on February 06, 2005, 09:24:44 AM
Post by: pmp6nl on February 06, 2005, 03:35:38 PM
Post by: norebonomis on February 06, 2005, 08:43:54 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 07, 2005, 06:09:53 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on February 07, 2005, 07:55:01 PM
Post by: Noble~Feather on February 07, 2005, 09:21:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Truthliesn1seyes
Question for Noble Feather that I think he could answer as it doesn't have anything to do with spilling secrets and whatnot lol. Since the Rev is supposed to be taking a different route than your usual consoles, how is this going to affect mutli platform releases. Is Nintendo's Revolutionary features going to hinder or enhance ported games? I was just wondering cuase I still want my sports games like Madden (NFL 2k wouldve been my choice though, damn bastards that are EA) and 2k basketball to be represented on the Rev without taking a hit in quality or playability.
Well, considering Revo can play GCN games, yes.
Think of it this way, GCN can still play 2D games like Mario or Zelda, only it can do it with an analogue stick.
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 08, 2005, 04:10:12 AM
From the last comment I suspect a few things.
1)Backwards compatiability, interesting...so is Nintendo going to keep that mini-disk format, but with a different, larger capacity disks?
2)You purposefully mentioned using the analog stick to play Zelda and Mario...so are you hinting that the control device will be that radically different. The difference between playing with an analog stick and the D-Pad is pretty great...sometimes it works, other times it ruins the game, so this kinda worries me.
Post by: DrZoidberg on February 08, 2005, 04:31:55 AM
Use the thread above to post your false information with no proof.
Post by: Bloodworth on February 08, 2005, 06:00:40 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 08, 2005, 06:28:40 AM
So it's useless for any game that requires digital control? Nice to know ahead of time that the mistakes of the Cube controller are being made WORSE for the Revolution.
How the hell can there be backwards compatibility with no d-pad? Though few (or possibly no) Cube games exclusively use the d-pad for movement several games like Rogue Leader and Metroid Prime use it as extra buttons.
Unless the analog stick somehow can function in both an analog or digital mode. If possible that would be revolutionary and incredibly flexible.
Post by: Artimus on February 08, 2005, 07:55:56 AM
But what do I know...
Post by: nemo_83 on February 08, 2005, 08:27:46 AM
Post by: Noble~Feather on February 08, 2005, 08:41:32 AM
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Nobel Feather, how do you know so much again about this? People on this board actually seem to listen to you, and not take you with a grain of salt like most rumor starters...so how do you know this information?
From the last comment I suspect a few things.
1)Backwards compatiability, interesting...so is Nintendo going to keep that mini-disk format, but with a different, larger capacity disks?
2)You purposefully mentioned using the analog stick to play Zelda and Mario...so are you hinting that the control device will be that radically different. The difference between playing with an analog stick and the D-Pad is pretty great...sometimes it works, other times it ruins the game, so this kinda worries me.
1) I believe I said in the beginning of this thread.
2) I honestly don't know what the size of the discs are, but I do know it's is backwards compatible, and that the media can hold ALOT of data. In other words, such games like Kingdom Hearts [I think] can't be be put on the Cube because of all the voice work. We won't have worry about that with the Revo.
3) Think about Viewtiful Joe. That game was great. Also keep in mind the Gcube still has a d-pad to play with.
The controls just make games more accurate, and it controls fine. I kinda don't know how to explain it now, so you'll have to wait.
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"Think of it this way, GCN can still play 2D games like Mario or Zelda, only it can do it with an analogue stick."
So it's useless for any game that requires digital control? Nice to know ahead of time that the mistakes of the Cube controller are being made WORSE for the Revolution.
How the hell can there be backwards compatibility with no d-pad? Though few (or possibly no) Cube games exclusively use the d-pad for movement several games like Rogue Leader and Metroid Prime use it as extra buttons.
Unless the analog stick somehow can function in both an analog or digital mode. If possible that would be revolutionary and incredibly flexible.Quote
You hardly know anything about the Revolution and you're already making assumptions?
Wow.
Post by: odifiend on February 08, 2005, 09:18:53 AM
A used the dpad exclusively for movement, just FYI. I think that might be the only one. I personally prefer the analog stick in a things. Fight games included. Many of the fight games i play uses sweeps for specials anyway.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 08, 2005, 10:11:12 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 08, 2005, 11:05:42 AM
That all fine and good for us Cube owners. But what about those who don't have a Cube who buy a Revolution? The appeal of backwards compatibility is hurt somewhat by a need to buy two whole sets of controllers. One of the best things about the PS2 and GBA backwards compatibility is that it works right out of the box. To some people backwards compatibility of a console they don't own is very enticing. It allows them to play a whole generation's worth of games they missed out on AND lets them play new games. Those people are going to be put off when they find out they have to buy a Cube controller to make use of the feature. In order to get the most out of the Revolution they would have to buy EIGHT controllers. Connectivity and the SP gave Nintendo a negative image as a greedy company who releases redundant accessories to rip the consumer off. They don't need the Revolution's first impression to be that of a rip-off console.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 08, 2005, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 08, 2005, 12:05:05 PM
Well they can make a controller that's different but is also similar enough to work well with Cube games. A larger d-pad or an extra z-button for example won't goof up Cube games. And realistically they could add a button on each side of the y button and thus have a six face button layout that still works well for Cube games and would be really swank if it allowed you to customize what button does what (that would fix Mega Man AC).
There's room to expand on the controller design and still allow easy playability for Cube games let alone all games.
Post by: Pale on February 08, 2005, 02:30:40 PM
Post by: Famicom on February 09, 2005, 03:30:59 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on February 09, 2005, 06:06:06 AM
Anyway, wasn't that "no Dpad" bit only a rumor?
Post by: MaleficentOgre on February 09, 2005, 06:13:20 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2005, 06:13:31 AM
Post by: Mr. Saturn on February 14, 2005, 08:11:59 AM
Post by: vudu on February 14, 2005, 08:33:54 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 14, 2005, 08:57:02 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 14, 2005, 09:27:13 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on February 14, 2005, 10:03:40 AM
Post by: Artimus on February 14, 2005, 11:13:18 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 14, 2005, 11:59:21 AM
Post by: Mr. Saturn on February 14, 2005, 02:03:07 PM
Post by: mjbd on February 15, 2005, 02:04:44 PM
Post by: Famicom on February 15, 2005, 02:37:15 PM
Post by: mjbd on February 15, 2005, 02:38:51 PM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on February 15, 2005, 03:18:25 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on February 15, 2005, 08:01:57 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 02, 2005, 07:09:02 AM
Ian exaggerates agian. Noble~Feather is saying: The REV is like when you played 2-D mario on your snes, but now that you got a Cube you can use your analog stick for more accurate movement. He said nothing about the ommision of the D-pad. The Revolution will have some sort of input that will allow for more accurate movements; even more accurate than an analog stick. How? Who knows.....
A question for NOBLE~FEATHER that won't make you "spill the beans":
Is the Revolution itself revolutionary, or is it the controller? And if both, is one of the aspects because it attaches to a computer monitor?
Post by: slingshot on March 02, 2005, 07:41:20 AM
that would occur from normal jostling of the controler while using other buttons. A Gyro would be awesome, but it should
only engage if you are depressing a "z" trigger button that is eazy to use frequently- maybe part of the handl or something.
It would be amazing, and effortless to look around with the slight tilt of the controller- but no one wants to have the screen
shaking wildly just from normal button or stick movements. I'm sure they worked out all the bugs- and I'm 99% positive that
the gyro theory is correct. And what a change it will make.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 02, 2005, 08:09:40 AM
Second of all, I'd like to say I like your "z" trigger idea, and that it should be an option....an option. I understand your concern, but that could easily be solved by the shape of the controller. If the controller is easily held and comfortable to hold, as well as to push the buttons (meaning every thing is easily reached) then I see no problems when pushing the buttons. The control moves with your wrist/arm movements not with your hand movements. I think people are competent enough to be able to keep their wrist steady while they hit buttons. Hell they can do it today, why not in the future? You may argue the case of leverage. Having two hands on the controller allows for more leverage while your hitting buttons. I'd reply, as long as the controller shape was again, comfortable and made it easy to hit the buttons, than it would be no different than hitting your pointer finger with your thumb while having a semi-closed fist (try it!). You mentioned stick movements, the same idea applies. You could also rest your elbows on arm rests or a desk or something if your having alot of trouble. You should check out my pic (in Let's talk controller), it's not great, but it does show you how comfortable they can make the controller.
Post by: nemo_83 on March 02, 2005, 12:13:10 PM
Post by: slingshot on March 03, 2005, 03:39:44 AM
bounces around. But, actually playing something may prove me wrong. simply resting the controler on my lap is very
comfortable.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2005, 05:27:22 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 03, 2005, 12:05:27 PM
Problem solved.
Post by: slingshot on March 03, 2005, 03:26:20 PM
view, an analog would move you fwd, backward, and turn left and right. By holding down a gyro activator button (somewhere
obvious, and unobtrusive to gameply-such as a z button) you could look all around by tilting the controler.
IN flight sim games the gyro would probably be constantly active, or you could choose to deactivate it by holding down the z,
or toggle on-off with a click.
I can easily see how the looking up and down will work on a gyro controller. But I have difficulty visualizing how it works
when trying to look left and right- or moving left and right for that matter. Would the gyro sense movement in any direction,
and sense tilt as well, or are there limitations of direction or angle that it may miss?
Again- all assuming that gyros will be used.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 03, 2005, 03:57:54 PM
If your not getting my explanation on how you view; pick up your mouse pad so it's vertical and then use your mouse. While a little ackward, moving across the screen is still how it use to be when you had it on the desk. So, you should see that it still works (unless you have a mouse with a ball instead of a light), but ya you get the idea.
A flight stick would just sense tilt...no need for rotation or even up and down as well as side to side movements.
Post by: nemo_83 on March 03, 2005, 04:08:43 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 03, 2005, 04:44:26 PM
I just can't help but like the idea of moving and looking all with one hand. Even shooting if double guns is implemented. It seems like an incredibly simplistic way to include everything to one hand. Then the possiblities become greater with the addition of a second hand. It just seems lovely, and I can imagine how a game like Halo (my favorite multiplayer shooter) could go up by leaps and bounds with a system like this. Shooting two different people at the same time seems so damn cool, or shooting while ducking behind a crate, or even driving while you shoot, GTA style. Oh the halarity!
For the love of God let this be the controller of the REV!
Post by: nemo_83 on March 03, 2005, 05:47:32 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 04, 2005, 06:04:16 AM
I don't know about using this mechanic in FPS's, but third-person shooter's definitely. Also, it would be alot easier to aim both guns since you don't control the view entirely.
Post by: ruby_onix on May 28, 2005, 04:19:40 PM
Also, so that we can laugh at ourselves.
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
The whole system's gonna get unveiled in two months anyways, so what does it matter?
Post by: ThePerm on May 28, 2005, 04:44:31 PM
Post by: mantidor on May 28, 2005, 08:52:26 PM
so did our friend Noble Feather got debunked or not? I really didnt follow this thread to know if some of his predictions were accurate. A question for him though, how could he know someone developing for the Rev if the dev kits are supossedly not out yet, unless is some Nintendo first party title maybe?
Post by: KDR_11k on May 28, 2005, 09:32:39 PM
Post by: stevey on May 29, 2005, 05:17:20 AM
There going to be 6+ face buttons.
"Rev if the dev kits are supossedly not out yet'
There using the cube dev kits for now.
Noble~Feather said the format is hd dvd but I didn't see anthing about that at e3
Post by: Famicom on May 29, 2005, 06:09:19 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on May 29, 2005, 07:56:06 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 30, 2005, 07:56:01 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on May 30, 2005, 06:37:52 PM
On another note, looks like the Rev touchscreen controller rumor is back now with force feedback lol.
http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1117484645
Also, seems like Mario 128 has officially moved onto the Rev's launch window...according to spong
http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1117489453
Post by: stevey on May 31, 2005, 04:08:26 PM
Post by: stevey on May 31, 2005, 05:06:04 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on May 31, 2005, 06:39:04 PM
http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1117581436
... and some corporate mudslinging by the big 3....
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/31/news_6126725.html
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 31, 2005, 06:55:27 PM
It was very odd how he spoke of the reasons for liking the Revolution, but either way, he likes the Revolution.
I think he meant to say this:
Sony's graphical power maybe too mighty to wield by any but the richest developers, so we could see alot of mediocre looking games for the platform. A blockbuster hit may come and go (FF), but all in all it's power will be neglected.
The Xbox is in the middle of the boat. It's power won't take a drastic amount of money to wield, nor will it take a very long development period (compared to this gen). However, due to its focus on graphics and not development, developers might have some trouble pumping out power the first/second generation.
The REV is all about developer-friendliness. Though Kojima may not know the specs of the REV, he believes it will be a very capable system (he mentions that fact by saying the REV can produce a great steak
)). He goes on to say that its low-cost development system coupled with its familarity can potentially make it "dinner" everyday, while the Xbox is a dinner that you'd consume every once and a while, with the PS3 only for special occasions such as an anniversary.This is coming from a game-designer that has very atiquette funds as well as experience. If he's saying that the REV is "dinner everyday," I can't imagine what lesser developers believe.
Post by: stevey on June 02, 2005, 07:13:48 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 02, 2005, 09:15:56 PM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on June 03, 2005, 06:54:57 AM
So here it is:
Revvie Wallpaper
Post by: stevey on June 03, 2005, 03:39:56 PM
no I can't kill a kitten after http://kittenwar.com/
Post by: nickmitch on June 03, 2005, 04:43:13 PM
Post by: stevey on June 04, 2005, 12:02:12 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on June 07, 2005, 08:43:34 PM
This was from a member who received this this info from Han Solo through a PM
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Alright, all the next-gen consoles will use High-Dynamic-Range-Lighting.
It is also a CLUE to HOW the REV will RUN!
Han Solo then went and posted this
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heres your clue-extended
Clue, thats similar to revolution(link)
The URL of the link is
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=258889&highlight=half-life
I really have no idea what any of this is or means but I'm just putting it out there for debate.
Post by: Mario on June 07, 2005, 08:55:06 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 08, 2005, 03:44:20 AM
Post by: vudu on June 08, 2005, 09:07:05 AM
QuoteMario - Perhaps you should ask SUPER that question.
Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
I used my admin x-ray powers and his IP is from a small ISP in ..... a city with a certain well-known GC developer in it.
Post by: Mr. Saturn on June 09, 2005, 11:45:26 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 09, 2005, 07:17:12 PM
They said development kits aren't out yet, however the API is similar enough that you can begin basic design of a game.
Of course that is paraphrasing.
Post by: K-RPG on June 09, 2005, 07:36:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Truthliesn1seyes
Got me some fresh new info off the Han_Solo character over at the G4 forums. Take it as you will. At least it'll add more fuel to the fire lol.
This was from a member who received this this info from Han Solo through a PMQuote
Alright, all the next-gen consoles will use High-Dynamic-Range-Lighting.
It is also a CLUE to HOW the REV will RUN!
Han Solo then went and posted thisQuote
heres your clue-extended
Clue, thats similar to revolution(link)
The URL of the link is
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=258889&highlight=half-life
I really have no idea what any of this is or means but I'm just putting it out there for debate.
Look, I'm going to put this bluntly;
Han Solo is probably were Noble~Feather got this information in the first place. He was a member of the G4 boards, until he was finally -- justfully banned. He has lied to me, personally, several times -- mostly about Zelda, even using Famitsu as a fake referance -- which I probably will never forget.
If you don't believe Han Solo, don't believe Noble Feather.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on June 09, 2005, 07:39:54 PM
Post by: K-RPG on June 09, 2005, 07:54:09 PM
Notice the lack of a second post on this board
Post by: KDR_11k on June 09, 2005, 09:56:30 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on June 20, 2005, 09:59:15 PM
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As for the controller I don’t think it has been finalized but I have seen and programmed for the official concept controller and used it twice. It is very similar to the “nesvolution” one pad for each hand with weighted gyroscopes and haptic feedback. At first glance it seems kind of weird to think about tactically using it to control certain types of games but once you pick it up its actually very simple and easy to use with any game. I know Nintendo is still working on a way to connect the two controllers at the players will, probably through a magnetic lock system. As for the Nintendo On which it WILL NOT be called once it is confirmed will present a panoramic view to represent a full field on vision as we all have in real life and will be in HD believe it or not. It will probably be confirmed when the spec for the Rev. are made public and will be launched a quarter year after Rev. launches. My only gripe is that the On system at launch will retail for the same amount as the actual Rev. system itself. It will not be a gaming machine unto itself but merely an add-on to the Rev. to allow completely immersive experiences.
Stereoscopic 3-D will also be a prevalent part of the interface but coupled with the visor and controllers will allow something NEVER seen before in gaming. The stereoscoping is still being tweaked to turn whatever room your in into a the game environment effectively rendering your room part of the game. Coupled with the visor this could turn you entire home into a nightmarish landscape. The projector alone with only be able to project a limited no. of NPC’s into your environment at any given time depending on the size of the NPC‘s. Take RE4 for example the projector could probably project about 12 ganados at any given time into your environment but only one El Gigante or boss at a time. When the visor is on though it will allow the entire game to be presented in full virtual reality with no sacrifices whatsoever, and with the environment capturing radar it could effectively turn your own home into the game environment. Imagine Resident Evil zombies busting through your doors and coming after you with their blood and body parts being rendered onto your environment in real-time as you fight them. That is an actual possibility of the On visor.
The controller will be capable of everything past controllers were but much more and the customization that you will have at your hands is unprecedented. It will feature haptic feedback illustrating through vibration whatever your on-screen character is doing or feeling this represents mood, heartbeat, nervousness, adrenaline rushes, tension, being shot or hit with something, jumping from a high place, etc… This haptic force feedback will be mapped into buttons and controller itself. Another controller feature is its ability to heat up and cool down illustrating how the environment temperature feels or it you are having to hold on to something that is hot or cold. Coupled with this is the controller will have built-in mic to talk to things or blow on things in the game to move them or cool them down. The mic will also have voice distortion features to work with the dev. Tool or chat online. The other big feature of the controller is its ability to feel depth and reach out and grab the world so to speak. For example instead of just pressing a button to open a door you would point one of the control pad towards the door twist the knob and pull the door open, or just kick it open with another movement. This depth mapping allows all sorts of actions to be preformed much more realistically and true to life for example: swinging a sword, reloading or firing a weapon, picking something up and turning it over, do melee combat with your own two hands…etc.
An example I saw in action was a character was hanging from a ledge MGS style and you would literally have to squeeze the handles to keep from falling and you could also feel the haptic vibration from his heart and the coolness of the ledge. This was a tech demo showing all of the features working together. Of course all this will be left up to the developer but they promise to be extraordinary features. The projector will also have two options: Stereoscopic 3-D or flat panel projection. This allows Rev. to be a portable system as it can project the game on any wall or flat surface. The stand for Rev. will be a recharger of sorts and will have the angle required to be project Stereoscopic 3-D properly. The only reason for the rechargeable battey is for the projection otherwise when you run out of battery life you can just hook it up to a TV or computer monitor.
As to the projector if its on Stereoscopic 3-D and say someone walks into the door of the room your in nothing will happen except the picture might warp a little in that area or fade into a hallway but as soon as the door closes again it should correct itself. But if your on the road or in a car or something I don’t think you will be able to use the stereoscopic 3-D projection because the stand is what gives it the desired angle and I would imagine that it would make the picture or holograms skip or have weird picture flashes as the car moves up and down. You will need a steady non-moving surface for the projector to use stereoscoping properly. As to Bungie I really don’t know whether they are going to sign a contract with Nintendo or not but there was some loose talk from their rep. that it might be a possibility. By the way Microsoft DOES NOT flat out own Bungie, they made Bungie sign a contract to give half creative rights and royalties to Microsoft for a “number of years”, but after those years are over they can opt to make another contract with them or go somewhere else. Now I truly doubt that Halo 3 will be coming to the Rev. since Microsoft would throw a HUGE hissy fit about it but maybe Halo 4 or an original game I hope. Their rep. said that since Microsoft is forcing the development on Halo 3 to match PS3’s launch. They will probably end up releasing a Halo2.5 instead of an actual sequel and that Rev. might see the fully realized Halo 3 a year or so later. But of course nothing is set in stone and it could all change so don’t get your hopes up too high this was just my team talking to a representative from Bungie.
To my knowledge the confirmed and unconfirmed list of games are:
-Mario Kart Revolution = Rev.
-Super Mario 128 = Rev.
- Metroid Prime: Reborn = Rev.
-The Legend of Zelda DS = DS
-The Legend of Kid Icarus = Rev.
-Xenias = Rev.
-Killing Day = Rev.
-Psychopath = Rev.
-Animal Crossing = Rev.
-The Legend of Zelda = Rev.
-Star Wars Rogue Squadron 4 (no title as of yet Q4 2006) = Rev.
-Madden 2007 = Rev., DS
-Eternal Darkness: Insanity Fulfilled = Rev.
-Resident Evil 5 (Q3 2008 ) = Rev.
-Advance Wars: Annihilation = Rev, DS
-Burnout 4 = Rev.
-Flat Out 2 = Rev.
-F.E.A.R.: Everything Objective Foretold = Rev.
-Stalker: Shadow of the Chernobyl = Rev.
-Guts N’ Glory = Rev.
-Umehas Ookieyara = Rev.
-Ichi the Killer (slated for Japan possible U.S. release) = Rev.
These are the games that I know for sure are going to be released at some point on Rev. although it does not mean all of them will be exclusive to the Rev. although many of them will. Many people have thought I lied about this or that but I assure you wait until everything about Rev. and its games are made public and see if I’m not right. The Rogue Squadron game I’m working with now we is focusing on giving the flying combat more hi-res action and depth with great replay value, but also trying to flesh out the on-foot missions that the last game failed on. As for Retro Studios they have two teams which are working on two games right now Metroid Prime: Reborn, and Xenias. I was hoping that Xenias was going to be kept a secret but unfortunately Nintendo let that out of the bag. Needless to say it will no doubt put Rev. in the top spot next-gen. I’m not going to say anything else about it though because I believe some things just shouldn’t be spoiled. Anyway I will keep in touch if you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
P.S. To those who wanted me to sketch out the controller I would love to but I’m just not a good artist and I wouldn’t do it any justice. A concept of the concept photo has already been leaked somewhere it is the “nesvolution” one pad for each hand with weighted gyroscopes, hot and cold sensors, depth-mapping and haptic feedback. Once again that is a VERY early prototype of the finished product and Nintendo is working on a way to connect them at will with a magnetic lock if someone just doesn’t like using them without a two-handed base setup.
Also, a patent was posted over at Nsider.com and, from the pictures, it seems to demonstrate the experience described by this "leak". I haven't read the patent though since they are so time consuming so I'm sure I'm wrong by the comparison. The pictures in the patent seem to show a person sitting with 2 controllers in hand and what seams to be objects coming at him from different directions. Hopefully someone with some time on their hands can give the patent a quick read through and see if they can come up with a general idea of what it means. Here's the link to the patent.
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=6&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Nintendo.AS.&OS=AN/Nintendo&RS=AN/Nintendo
Also, heres a link to what most are assuming is the leaked pics of the controller that this "leak" mentions.
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1252683260425672.JPG?0.751425320732948
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 20, 2005, 10:10:44 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on June 20, 2005, 10:35:57 PM
http://www.nordichardware.com/forum/this-forum-is-lucky-vt2584.html
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2005, 10:51:26 PM
But I really hope that the controller will just be one controller. I guess we'll know if that pic is legit (it isn't) when the magazine comes out
Post by: MrMojoRising on June 20, 2005, 10:55:17 PM
Quote
Also, a patent was posted over at Nsider.com and, from the pictures, it seems to demonstrate the experience described by this "leak". I haven't read the patent though since they are so time consuming so I'm sure I'm wrong by the comparison. The pictures in the patent seem to show a person sitting with 2 controllers in hand and what seams to be objects coming at him from different directions. Hopefully someone with some time on their hands can give the patent a quick read through and see if they can come up with a general idea of what it means. Here's the link to the patent.
That patent is for the technology used in DK: king of swing. It basically says that your hand holding one of the trigger buttons is the same as DK holding on to a vine or whatnot. One night I spent a good three hours looking at patents, there are some interesting ones, there's ones on the bongos for Donky Konga and ones for the Wario Ware Twisted technology and everything...I didn't really come across anything new and interesting though.
Edit: Oh yeah, and why would there be new eternal darkness and Rouge squadren games coming out even though factor five is sony's and Silicon Knights are third party or whatever they are.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on June 20, 2005, 11:01:54 PM
Post by: Pittbboi on June 20, 2005, 11:07:01 PM
I'm sure if Nintendo really wanted to go that route, they could pull of a controller that would be decent. However, that alone would require the same amount of planning, R&D, and funding that they probably spent on the Revolution, itself. And, if they're willing to cut something as simple yet relevant as HD out of the budget, I doubt they found room for something as undoubtedly costly as this.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on June 20, 2005, 11:16:23 PM
The reason for HD being cut is becuase it isn't that big of an issue to them. Its the world to Sony and MS who are trying to promote said feature (sony trying to use the ps3 as a trojen horse to push out more HD tvs and blu ray as a standard). I'm not goin to get into the whole HD debate though as it has its own thread.
Just ran into this on another site. Supposed updated pics of the Rev and some more info.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?http://www.computerandvideogames.com/homepage/front_homepage.php
and gizmodo has another set of pics of the controller
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/nintendo/nintendo-revolution-the-controller-107485.php
Post by: KDR_11k on June 22, 2005, 12:08:27 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on June 22, 2005, 03:37:34 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on June 22, 2005, 07:07:35 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 22, 2005, 09:13:54 AM
The R logo for the Revolution is un-inspired
But worse is the shortening of Revolution to REVO. If you wanted to shorten the name abr. REV. Nintendo REV is cool, but REVO is silly.
The redesign is obvious a fake.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on June 22, 2005, 01:12:05 PM
.. whose stock prices are falling down down down, ever falling down
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 01, 2005, 10:00:58 AM
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http://revolutionrumors.blogspot.com/
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New Email from the Revolution Engineer
I have recieved a new email from the Revolution Engineer, A.K.A 19D.O.R.Evolution:
19D.O.R.EVOLUTION
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this is what i saw in japan:
the controller prototype i've used was a single piece
conventional-shaped one with a rather large plain
rectangular space in the middle of the butterfly design
portion. the rectangle was made of semi-transparent
plastic that at first look resembled polycarbonate but it
has a slightly gummy surface.it had conventional buttons
and stick and a microphone too.just a bad shaped
unfinished prototype assembled only to show us how it
worked.
during the bowling demo the hologram of a little bowling
ball appeared just a two or three centimeter below the
plastic surface and came up a half centimeter above, just
like it was emerging from the water.
then a japanese engineer told me to take aim using the
conventional controls or built-in gyroscopes (two in-line
- left and right side for dual feedback) and to blow on
the ball in order to make it fly into the tv screen. i did
it and the that ball had an acceleration mouvement toward
the big plasma screen, being holographically displayed
above the plain surface until it reached the front edge of
the same, then disappeared from the controller and almost
instantly re-appeared bigger on the tv screen and
...strike.
the acceleration curve of the object was calculated on the
noise level recorded by the microphone a bit like it is on
the nintendo ds, but, i think, in a more sophisticated
way.
obviously it was only a demo controller setup with several
features not yet implemented for example those regarding
tactile control and haptics.
the holographic projector features a very cheap high
resolution lcd holo-display developed in japan by nintendo
with the help of sharp using licensed nasa technology.
several arrays of smd high-bright white leds (gallium
nitride/indium-gallium nitride) under the above-mentioned
very thin display provide holographic projection of 3d
shapes in the air.
think about the ability to visualize items, characters,
and other objects or simply a control panel, and change,
swap,select and other actions by voice commands or by
touching them.
the other interface i saw (but not tested) featured a two
piece controller shaped like guns (only a gyroscope each
one) and i heard that holographic projection could be used
too with it but only via a separated projector box add-on
that was non shown that day.
by the way, i don't know which kind of controller has been
chosen or which features will be included and which not in
the final design, due to marketing reasons. maybe two
interface versions for different continental markets (i.e.
the cheaper one for countries such as india,china and
south-east asia) but this last one is only a personal
speculation.
that's all i can say about.
working there is like watertight compartments.
enough?
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p.s.:i am not any 19doh,d'oh or whatever else simpson boy
from other forums.
Interestingly enough, one of the responses included this link:
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http://sbir.gsfc.nasa.gov/SBIR/succ.../7-043text.html
The most interesting line being:
Quote:
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# $300,000 of support from Japanese company to develop for game applications
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2005, 10:33:42 AM
Revolutionary controller thread
I beat you by almost 12 hours
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 02, 2005, 04:14:01 PM
http://revolutionrumors.blogspot.com/
QuoteThey spelled Satoru wrong, but thats forgiveable.
July 3, 2005 - At a share holders meeting today, Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s president, Saturo Iwata, revealed that the company's next generation game console, code-named Revolution, would be able to wirelessly output to multiples televisions. He went on to explain that this would, "add an exciting, new element to multiplayer games," and would, "give developers a tool to deliver creative and fun gaming expierences."
Iwata revealed that Nintendo co-developed this technology with wireless solutions expert Broadcom. Iwata said, "By utilizing Broadcom's wireless technology, Nintendo can provide the high performance connectivity capabilities that will truly make users of Revolution say, 'Wow!'" Earlier this year, Broadcom announced a strategic partnership with Nintendo to provide its next generation consoles with wireless broadband technologies.
At May's E3 event, Saturo Iwata commented that the Revolution will fundamentally change the way in which controller, console, television and wifi interact.
Before you question the technology, >here< is a link to a NEC wireless HDTV transmitter, and I also think that Sony has a wireless tablet that dispays video from your pc into the palm of your hand.
We also know that PS3 will display across 2 HD screens (supposedly in 1080p), so what do you think of Nintendo possibly doing something similar only on an affordable scale?
Instead of 4player split screen on the same screen you could have 2 people on 1 screen and 2 people on a second screen, or even everyone has their own screen, in the same room, or all over the house.
Or maybe muliple people can play multiple games on different tv's at the same time. 1st person playing Mario64 in the living room, 2nd person playing Super Metroid in a bedroom, and another person playing FF3 in a 2nd bedroom.
UltraWideBand / UltraWideBand / UltraWideBand
And to push this furher, Mitsubishi(the 3rd UltraWideBand link) is the Japanese counterpart of NEC(?), and NEC is developing Nintendo's LSI for the REV
IGN Rev Faq
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In December 2002 Bloomberg reported that Nintendo had agreed to collaborate with NEC on a system LSI that would serve as the core for the new console
NEC's Rev LSI?
Post by: IceCold on July 02, 2005, 09:20:05 PM
Actually, they do sometimes, I believe.
Oh yea, and this would actually be one of Nintendo's main reasons for not including HD support on the Rev. I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that it would be easy to transmit SD signals wirelessly, but there's not enough bandwith to transmit HD signals wirelessly or something.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 03, 2005, 12:29:37 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2005, 11:26:23 AM
HDTV Transmitter from NEC
Post by: Ian Sane on July 03, 2005, 05:32:12 PM
It seems like kind of a lame tradeoff though. Having to use cords to hookup a console to a TV is not a huge burden or anything. Why not just make wireless TV connection an OPTION so if I want to play a one player game or something in HD I can and then I only have to sacrifice HD when I want to play on multiple TVs in different rooms? It's like how wi-fi as an option is really cool but as a standard is a big pain in the butt for those that just use regular "wired" internet. This is a really cool idea but there is absolutely no good reason why there has to be a tradeoff. Just don't allow HD when people want to use several screens.
Post by: xts3 on July 03, 2005, 05:58:40 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Wait until FF is out before you get the PS3, if Sony fumbles as badly as everyone's expecting FF will go to someone else.
There is no way in hell a real Final fantasy will ever see the light of day on Nintendo system since Sony, Square enix and EA are in bed together.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 03, 2005, 07:58:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: xts3Quote
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Wait until FF is out before you get the PS3, if Sony fumbles as badly as everyone's expecting FF will go to someone else.
There is no way in hell a real Final fantasy will ever see the light of day on Nintendo system since Sony, Square enix and EA are in bed together.
Where are you getting this info from? As far as I know, EA, Squareenix and Sony have nothing to do with each other. EA supports everyone and their mothers and Squareenix seems to support the market leader. Sony does not hold any controlling shares in the company anymore so Squareenix is free to do as it pleases. I'm sure this coming generation we'll see Square start to expand outside of Sony's camp, its only logical.
Post by: nickmitch on July 03, 2005, 08:49:09 PM
Post by: darknight06 on July 03, 2005, 09:12:48 PM
Post by: Mario on July 04, 2005, 04:01:53 AM
I think this needs it's own thread, someone make one.
Post by: 31 Flavas on July 04, 2005, 10:06:35 AM
QuoteWhats the huge deal though with HD though. That is it doesn't do anything to the graphics, its a video enhancement, like going from composite to s-video or componet. Sure sure, everything is rendered at 1920x1080 resolution, or whatever, but the graphical benifits are minimal, while the $$ cost to do so, at this time, is very high. Even still, only, what, maybe 5 percent of users will use it in the consoles life. I'm not saying HD is not something that Nintendo should never do, it just doesn't make sense for Nintendo since they are more about value and gaming then trends and fads.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It seems like kind of a lame tradeoff though. Having to use cords to hookup a console to a TV is not a huge burden or anything. Why not just make wireless TV connection an OPTION so if I want to play a one player game or something in HD I can and then I only have to sacrifice HD when I want to play on multiple TVs in different rooms?
QuoteWhats to stop Nintendo from including a Wi-Fi reciever that you can plug into your wired router? it wouldn't cost anywhere near what including 6800 ultra or x800 PE (or higher) calibur graphics chips would cost. Edit: And besides, compaired to HDTV it's, what, $99 and less for Wi-Fi routers (mine was $70, $50 after mail in rebate).
It's like how wi-fi as an option is really cool but as a standard is a big pain in the butt for those that just use regular "wired" internet. This is a really cool idea but there is absolutely no good reason why there has to be a tradeoff. Just don't allow HD when people want to use several screens.
Post by: IceCold on July 04, 2005, 11:42:29 AM
Post by: stevey on July 04, 2005, 01:00:41 PM
Post by: Artimus on July 04, 2005, 01:29:46 PM
Post by: stevey on July 04, 2005, 01:40:22 PM
Post by: nickmitch on July 04, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
Post by: xts3 on July 06, 2005, 11:37:47 PM
Quote
Whats to stop Nintendo from including a Wi-Fi reciever that you can plug into your wired router? it wouldn't cost anywhere near what including 6800 ultra or x800 PE (or higher) calibur graphics chips would cost. Edit: And besides, compaired to HDTV it's, what, $99 and less for Wi-Fi routers (mine was $70, $50 after mail in rebate).
Comparing Wi-fi on a console to PC graphics is apples and oranges: The hardware for the console is subsidized by Nintendo and nintendo gets royalties, the guys making video cards sole source of profit and revenue is FROM the hardware, they dont charge game developers royalties so they can make cheaper video cards for the masses (although that would be a pretty smart idea to save PC gaming from becoming so expensive that it may just fall off the map because no one can afford the hardware, but most likely PC will focus on entirely different market for games or maybe MS will save the day with Xbox 360 and XNA doing Xbox360+PC ports at the same time.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 09, 2005, 03:16:19 PM
I'm not sure if any of the following has been posted but I just ran into some of these in a few blogs I was looking at.
1. New G5 processors one being a low-power 970FX and the other a dual core 970MP. There is an interesting sentence in the article though
Quote
The PPC and Cell will form the heart of games consoles from Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony over the next 12 months
We all know where the Cell is going so if this quote is to be believed then we can assume the Rev could be using one of these 2 chips or any other PPC chip. Anyways, here's the link to the article
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/08/ibm_powerpc/
and.... here's a link to a CNET's article on the chips
http://news.com.com/IBM+details+new..._3-5779894.html
2. A new ON video has appeared. Its real short and is a recording off of a monitor and not an actual direct feed. Looks well done but make of it what you will, I'm no professional lol.
http://src-network.com/on2.wmv
3. at SeriousGamer007's blog, he supposedly has a picture of what the Rev can do graphically in game. Here's the pic he has posted
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/RevolutionRumors/ScienceLabScreen-Shot.jpg
Also of note, that picture was taken from ATI's Crytek promotion. Here's the link to their page
http://www.ati.com/gitg/promotions/crytek/
The page runs a 4 min stream of a demo called "The Project" using the new ATI Radeon® X800 XT and PLATINUM EDITION. It looks real nice from what I can see. What caught my eye though is the main title
QuoteHollywood is what Nintendo used to describe its graphic chip being developed by ATI right?
"ATI and Crytek: The future of PC gaming, Hollywood style"
4. Also, here's a new blog I ran into from another supposed "insider" lol working for a 3rd party dev who has seen a tech demo of the Rev hardware. Its an entertaining read and I've just brought it up for sh*ts and giggles, help some of you kill some time. He gets into button to button detail of the controller and all its functions and throws around a few rumors he has heard around his office such as the Rev being able to wirelessly send video feeds to your DS which he says will allow you to play NES and SNES games on your DS. Theres more but I'll let you read and decide what to make of it.
http://theblogs.net/user/kingdea/
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 09, 2005, 03:40:51 PM
Linked for right-click-save-as-ability.
Post by: nickmitch on July 09, 2005, 05:09:08 PM
Post by: IceCold on July 09, 2005, 09:07:49 PM
Post by: Urkel on July 09, 2005, 09:18:13 PM
Quote
http://theblogs.net/user/kingdea/
This is the most believable "leak" since that Aries guy. He doesn't make any wild claims or anything. Of course, his description of the controller is almost identical to what Aries said, and I think Aries was the fakest fake who ever faked.
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 12, 2005, 05:21:21 AM
Gryos that can be used to control games, but not accurate enough for FPSers and such. I completely understand and believe that.
Button layout similar to Gamecube but ironed out to be more functional is a given, and the rumor about dropping the Z button to below the controller actually makes sense. I hate the dual shoulder buttons because I don't feel there is enough distinction between them.
Even complaining about how the N64 controls won't be perfect adds validity to his claims.
The controller getting hot seems alittle odd. Also Nintendo trying to evolve the rumble pack uses just doesn't seem useful. Specially with Gryo-controls...but since they aren't super precise gyros it could work.
The trackball actually makes since for several types of games Nintendo wants to make...and matches recent quotes about having fewer analog sticks than usual.
A trackball would be great for non-gamer games, Mario Party type Games, FPSers, and much more. Specially if its a well designed trackball that is smooth, responsive, and comfortable to use. The thing that confuses me about the trackball was he mentioned you could control it with your RIGHT FINGER and not thumb...so can you still use your thumb to hit buttons? Where would the Trackball on the controller be then?
This guy is probably still a fake, but atleast he isn't stupid enough to agree with Nintendo ON, or some of the crazier controller ideas.
Post by: IceCold on July 12, 2005, 08:24:45 AM
On the shoulder?
Post by: BigJim on July 12, 2005, 08:25:51 AM
A controller with a heating element that could get that hot, fast enough to synch with the game in realtime, penetrating the plastic, is a legitimate hazard. Not to mention a battery drain. It'd have to get wicked hot to heat that fast. (Let me guess, holes in the grips, right?) Isolation will be in order to keep the internal temperature of the electronics down.
I suppose aside from housing, isolating, and powering the heating element, the controller will also completely contain and power the AMAZINGLY TINY AIR COMPRESSOR to create the cooling. And it can even go from one extreme to the other in near-realtime!
There's your Revolution. A CFC-emitting controller that violates a dozen EPA codes! 10 hours per charge!! OMFG, TEH GAME I5 0N!!!!!!111
These kids are having REALLY boring summer vacations. They can read rumors and fill in the blanks themselves, but when it comes to imagination meeting practicality at the crossroads, they show how clueless they are.
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 12, 2005, 12:00:56 PM
I am saying some of his stuff may come true out of sheer luck.
The heating thing really gets to me too.
However, Hapnics (or however you spell it) isn't supposed to actually heat up...but I think it is just supposed to send a similar signal to your nerves to make them "feel" heat...but actually doesn't heat up.
I don't know if that is ACTUALLY how it works, but if it is...then a signal electric signal could be used to trigger heat, cooling down and more. Perhaps the heating and cooling are the only ones that can be easily done which is why other stimuli are not being simulated?
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 12, 2005, 02:41:03 PM
Post by: IceCold on July 12, 2005, 07:07:34 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 13, 2005, 09:25:42 AM
He has so far handled the questions pretty good...though his throwing a fit about people calling him a fake makes me believe he IS a fake. Why would you get upset about that if you were real? I would just laugh it off.
I hope the controller he is designing isn't real because its really boring.
Post by: nickmitch on July 13, 2005, 03:44:58 PM
Post by: Zach on July 13, 2005, 04:01:06 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 13, 2005, 05:37:38 PM
So Nintendo's "Revolution" could be nothing significate at all...or it could be huge.
Post by: IceCold on July 13, 2005, 06:02:33 PM
QuoteYea but they didn't emphasize it nearly enough then as they are doing now. And also, you have to take into consideration the Wavebird. If that's not innovation, I don't know what is.
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Zach: Not neccessarily. Remember Nintendo pulled this stuff with the Gamecube controller. They stated early on they were trying to develop a really great new controller and it would have features that would really improve gaming and all we got was the digital click buttons.
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2005, 06:04:54 AM
The WaveBird was the first wireless controller to really work, and therefore it became awesome.
I can't wait for the Revolution controller to have a built in rechargable battery. That would have made the WaveBird perfect.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 14, 2005, 07:24:25 AM
In a way I would rather have something minor than something really out there that screws up current game design. But that would make Nintendo look really silly after promising so much. They're in a tough situation. If they reveal something too different and weird people are going to be put off. If they go with something too traditional everyone who is hyped about this "revolutionary" controller is going to be disappointed. "They spent all this time keeping THAT secret?" Nintendo has set themselves up where they have to deliver something that really is amazing. Something that's different yet remains traditional enough to not scare people away. That's going to be hard but they're the ones that put themselves in that position so it's their own fault if they don't deliver.
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2005, 09:33:29 AM
You know It would be more important for Nintendo to be converative than too wild...I agree. If its something people think are minor, they will laugh at Nintendo a little and then see what Nintendo offers for games and decide if they want to buy the system or not.
If its too crazy they may turn away because people are afraid of new concepts.
However, if it strikes a good balance to play traditional games, and offer something new and fun, then Nintendo could really score a homerun. Which is what I seem to read from you.
You want something new and exciting to catch your interest in games again, but you don't want it at the expense of traditional games.
For that I offer the DS as perfect balance. The touchscreen is cool and innovative, but when you need traditional controls you still have a D-pad and 6 buttons available.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 14, 2005, 09:41:02 AM
True but the DS "controller" would be ill-suited for a console. By portable standards it's actually the most complex control system Nintendo has used yet but I think a console controller needs more. I do really like the DS concept in theory though. I'm not so hot on the execution thus far but the potential is there and it doesn't screw up traditional portable game design. I think the best thing about it is it is basically the GBA "controller" with more stuff. That's ideally what the Rev controller should be like. It should be a lot like Nintendo's previous controllers with something extra added on. That's what's good about the DS. They're not replacing or removing anything. They're just expanding.
Post by: nickmitch on July 14, 2005, 10:20:40 AM
I just want a controller that makes me say, "Hatchy Matchy! I need to try that!"
Post by: ShyGuy on July 14, 2005, 10:24:39 AM
Super Mario kept sliding around, and I thought "I wish this was a joystick!"
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 14, 2005, 11:43:21 AM
http://immr.client.shareholder.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=164236
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 14, 2005, 12:34:18 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 14, 2005, 05:51:01 PM
I ran into this over at the Nsider forums. It seems that some new viral campaign is going on again. This one seems to be the most believable of all the supposed viral campaigns. It is well made compared to the rest and seems to the first of a series of clues. This could be Nintendo playing off of the speculations they have caused online. They could have seen that there really is no where for us to go with the speculation so they are going to start now to drop hints. Hopefully this is the start of something big and of substance.
Also, there is a thread goin on over at the Gamespot forums
(http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=909104101&topic=22203003&page=0 )
that is discussing this site
http://depthq.com/faq.html#Q3-8
Here's an extert from the Q and A section of that site
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Q: What companies were behind the development of the InFocus™DepthQ™ projector?
A: InFocus® Corporation and Lightspeed Design Group
InFocus® Corporation (Nasdaq: INFS) has been innovating and developing new ways for people to share big pictures and ideas in business, education and home entertainment for almost twenty years. Beginning with our worldwide leadership in digital projectors, today our expertise extends beyond projection into large format displays, ultra-thin microdisplay televisions, wireless connectivity, networking software and engine technology all designed to make the presentation of ideas, information, and entertainment an exhilarating experience. InFocus Corporation's global headquarters are located in Wilsonville, Oregon, USA, with regional offices in Europe and Asia.
Lightspeed Design Group has been a leader in stereo 3D for over a decade, developing new hardware and software technologies and presenting 3D to millions through museum theaters, corporate events, and a world exposition. Lightspeed has considerable expertise in 3D projection, software development, and electronics. Lightspeed's clients include Mercedes, U.S. Army, Continental Teves, Procter & Gamble, Nintendo, IMAX Corporation, and Disney Imagineering.
InFocus™DepthQ™ is exclusively distributed by Lightspeed Design Group.
There you have it people, the first official info connecting Nintendo to this 3d tech. Reading the thread over at the GS forum though, it seems like this could be used for the Rev since this stereo scopic view can be applied to any tv as long as the Rev supports it within its hardware. It requires shades to be worn but one of the posters over at the forum said he has it for his PC and the shades are no bigger than regular sunglasses. The poster that has this tech for his pc says that it can be used on older games as he is currently playing Doom 3 with this. For this tech to work, the game has to run at 120 frames per second (60 frames that the left eye sees, 60 for the right eye) This could be a reason to why Nintendo is avoiding HD in their games, and could also be looking to not make such a huge jump in graphics. Nintendo could be looking into making a moderate graphical leap (not as big as xbox 360 nor ps3 but better than the Gcube) but making a huge leap in visual frames per second. Anyways, this is very interesting and seems plausible.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 14, 2005, 06:57:16 PM
Anywheres, here's another Q and A from the site
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Q: Can I play video games in stereo 3D?
A: Yes. Many PC video games, for example “Need For Speed” can be played in stereo 3D. The stereo 3D is turned on via a specialized game driver available from NVIDIA.
To download the NVIDIA 3D stereo Driver:
Go to the NVIDIA web site
Click the "Download Driver" button
Select "Consumer 3D stereo" then "All Graphics Cards" then "Windows XP/2000"
Click the "Go!" button
Download the driver from this page
I found this too, If the frame rate needs to be 120 / second I can see why Nintendo (if they are doing this) wouldnt support HD
Q: Why are active LCD shutter glasses required?
A: Active LCD shutter glasses are used to create the stereo effect. The InFocus™DepthQ™ 3D video projector displays an interleaved stream of left and right images at 120 frames per second. The glasses are synchronized with this stream and block images so that the right eye only sees the right image and the left eye only sees the left.
Liquid crystal eyewear is generally wirelessly controlled via an infrared emitter that connects to a 3-pin DIN connector on the computer’s graphics card (stereo ready cards).
Shutter glasses are a complex subject. We will add more details concerning both glasses and graphic card requirements in the next month.
and here's a quote from a poster at the GS forums that has this tech on his PC
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I have a stereo scopic device for my PC and it works with any graphics card (the glasses you wear are no bigger than a pair of shades, not like what you see in most pics). Its pretty damn good, it looks like I can actually reach into the game as if the monitor is a window to a real virtual world (Doom 3 scares the crap out of me now). The only problem is its difficult to find a balance between good quality 3D thats still comfortable on the eyes, if Nintendo could fix that then you wont just say ''wow'' you'll actually curl up in a ball and giggle away like you've just been touched by greatness.
here's a link about stereo scopic 3D though:
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050502/index.htm
Its really very simple and you dont need a monitor, it can be done on a t.v.
Well this goes for stereo scopic not 3D projection which is a beefy idea.
There's a little box that intercepts the signal from your graphics card/console to your monitor/t.v and alters it so the image flickers very fast, the glasses you wear counteract this flickering and it creates a sense of depth as if you could just walk into the game.
A console could have this 'litttle box' built into it. You can already play all of todays games consoles in stereo 3D but you need to buy one of these little boxes to change the image as it gets to your t.v. screen. I have one that works for my PC and connects to the monitor instead
Its also pretty cheap but has a few bugs that need sorting out, I'm someone could do it if the worked on it. For instance, you can increase the level of depth/3D you see but the more you do it the blurrier it gets, but it would work fine on a game designed to use it properly.
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Post by: IceCold on July 14, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
But the 'Bird had such a great battery life that it didn't need a rechargeable battery at all. Next gen could be different if feedback is included though.
Haptics have been discussed to death on this bord - what took you so long kirby?
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 15, 2005, 09:57:27 AM
The Nintendo Stereo 3D talk has been officially shot down.....
Post by: nickmitch on July 15, 2005, 05:09:14 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 19, 2005, 11:45:45 AM
The infamous SeriousGamer007 has just posted "soon to be confirmed" news of Nintendo striking a deal with Emagin for the use of the tech in the Z800 3D Visor. Here's the link
http://seriousgamer007.blogspot.com/
He also has a video up of what is to be the inspiration for Xenias
http://www.youtube.com/?v=VO-hrbLQ7wE
Enjoy picking him apart lol.
Post by: nickmitch on July 19, 2005, 04:07:42 PM
I call this one believeable. However I'm not getting my hopes TOO high.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 19, 2005, 04:55:33 PM
Post by: nickmitch on July 19, 2005, 07:07:39 PM
Post by: IceCold on July 19, 2005, 08:25:43 PM
And the text was really poor; white Arial text with such a lack of eloquency?
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 20, 2005, 03:01:27 AM
The text being the biggest clue.
And the bigger clue being that that video (without the text) was done on hardware obviously less capable than the GameCube. Plus, it's not Retro quality at all...hell, look at how they're running! And I swear I've heard that music before.
Post by: Zach on July 20, 2005, 09:09:48 AM
As for the video, it does look fake, but it could be a hastily put together teaser, and may still be in the works. The text does remind me of the Twighlight Princess trailer "Swords will shatter; sheilds will break" (sorry if I got that wrong) But the way the twighlight princess video used it was a million times cooler.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 27, 2005, 09:53:38 PM
http://www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/bvw...io_live_wmv.wmv
This though could be Rev related. I found another video for everyone to see. This one, IMO, seems to be a legit video of what to expect from Revolution graphically. Its a video of a next gen Sonic game. If you listen clostly to the announcer, she states its all running real time. The quality of the graphics are amazing so I highly doubt this is a hoax. Sonic hasn't been announced for the Rev though but odds are that it'll be released on Nintendo's system. Anyways, here's the link people. Enjoy, it looks tight from what I can see.
http://www.sonicstadium.org/games/n...s/tech_demo.wmv
EDIT: Looks like it was running on xbox360 hardware. Never the less, its still a good indication of what Rev will be able to do IMO.
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_1621_fr.html
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 28, 2005, 09:11:13 AM
I am not one that subscribes to the Revolution being more powerful than the Xbox 360. I predict it will be very similarly powered or slightly less with Revolution being able to achieve more because of not needing HD fill-rates.
So, I think that video is a great indicator.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 28, 2005, 06:22:56 PM
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Nintendo.AS.&OS=AN/Nintendo&RS=AN/Nintendo
Post by: IceCold on July 28, 2005, 08:25:33 PM
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[0067] In this example, system 50 is capable of processing, interactively in real time, a digital representation or model of a three-dimensional world. System 50 can display some or all of the world from any arbitrary viewpoint. For example, system 50 can interactively change the viewpoint in response to real time inputs from handheld controllers 52a, 52b or other input devices. This allows the game player to see the world through the eyes of someone within or outside of the world.
Of course, this probably means controlling the camera angle with the C-Stick or w/e but it could be 3D.
QuoteInteresting???
0066] FIG. 1 shows an example interactive 3D computer graphics system 50. System 50 can be used to play interactive 3D video games with: interesting stereo sound. It can also be used for a variety of other applications.
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converts the image signals into analog and/or digital video signals suitable for display on a standard display device such as a computer monitor or home color television set 56.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on July 28, 2005, 08:55:10 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/mentallyerect/20050162436-2.jpg
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2005, 04:05:59 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 29, 2005, 06:09:52 AM
Perhaps there is still more to the chip. Is the Gamecube able to do 96 bit super color? If it is I would say this patient is just for the Cube.
If it isn't then we definately have something to do with the Revolution...but this is such a small piece of the puzzle its like having nothing at all.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 11, 2005, 02:31:37 PM
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Han_Solo from the G4 boards (supposedly works for Factor 5)wrote:
OK guys, got some new things about Revolution.
Yesterday Nintendo released their "near-to-final" specs again
Remember that N-Forum Magazine that was published on the internet about what the Rev will be like. It said Nintendo had 2 systems to choose from. I personally don’t know if that was true or false, but this is what happened.
Nintendo does have 2 prototypes in schedule, and is going to decide some time next year on which one to go ahead with. They also said that some of the specs I have released in my other set of specs have some errors , and that this is the much satisfied spec.
Revolution Specs
System 1
CPU:
IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz with 128 KB L1 cache + 2 internal Highly customized G5 cores, 2.5 GHz each.
Each G5 core will have 128 KB L1 cache.
The whole CPU (including the cores) will share either 256 – 512 KB of L2 cache.
Its Dual Threaded, G5 cores to have 2 hardware threads per core, 4 Threads total
10 billion dot product operations per second
Theoretical speed of CPU in a non-realistic way of looking at it, but it still is correct….
2.5 GHz CPU + 2x 2.5 GHz cores = 7.5 GHz total
Now this seems correct to that GameInformer Magazine that published the specs, but these specs are similar, but faster…
Revolution GPU
The same GPU spec as I released in my other sheet. Here’s a look back on it; But unfortunatley no HD support.....
ATI Custom based RN520 core. The "N" stands for Nintendo, and is because the ArtX team is with them, that is why it’s an "N". There will be 2 GPU cores (just like the nVidia SLI motherboard with two Graphics Chips), this will use ATI's alternative, and will be the first in any console.
GPU cores at 400 MHz each, theoretical 800 MHz. Will support up to 2048x1268 resolution, but no HD support, so that resolution is null.
28 way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines for each core with unified shader architecture. Thats a theoretical
56 Shader pipes if combined
Polygon Performance: 500 million triangles per second theoretical, average in game would be around <100 Million/sec>
Shader Performance: 45 billion shader operations per second
Revolution memory
512 MB of 700 MHz 1T-SRAM
Revolution will support a PPU chip (Physical Processing Chip). There will be 32 MB’s of its own RAM, which will link to the CPU and GPU and the Controller .
There will also be a separate sound card that will support only DD 5.1 – DTS 7.1, rumours has it will have 16 MB’s, like the Cube DSP
System 2
CPU:
IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz + 4 internal Power PC G5 cores running at 2.5 GHz each. Each core will have 128 KB L1 cache.
The whole CPU will share 512 of L2 cache.
Dual Threaded so there will also be two hardware threads per core, 8 hardware threads total.
15 billion dot product operations per second
Theoretical of 2.5 GHz + 10 GHz CPU speed = 12.5 GHz
Revolution GPU
2 GPU cores running at 500 MHz. Now this says there will be HD support up to the resolution as above...
Each GPU will have 256 MB of GDDR4 RAM
28 way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines for each core with unified shader architecture.
Polygon Performance: 500 million triangles per second theoretical, average in game would be around <100 Million/sec>
Shader Performance: 52 billion shader operations per second
Revolution memory
512 MB of 700 MHz Updated 1T-SRAM
Revolution will support a PPU chip (Physical Processing Chip). There will be 32 MB’s of its own RAM, which will link to the CPU and GPU and the Controller .
There will also be a separate sound card that will support only DD 5.1 – DTS 7.1, rumours has it will have 16 MB’s, like the Cube DSP
So theres 2 systems. For maximum system performance, i would go with system 2, but since 4 cores are really hard to code, i would go with system 1, as thats more than powerful enough to compete with the xbox 360 or PS3, GPU wise, the CPU i think technically is a little slower than the xbox 360's CPU by 20%.
Would anybody like some popcorn to go with all that salt?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 11, 2005, 03:33:05 PM
Post by: IceCold on August 11, 2005, 03:57:29 PM
Post by: nickmitch on August 11, 2005, 06:41:11 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 12, 2005, 02:07:28 AM
Your geek certificates have been revoked!
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2005, 05:32:45 PM
Post by: stevey on August 13, 2005, 07:42:10 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2005, 02:42:19 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on August 15, 2005, 12:31:28 AM
Here's the site of the mockups
http://www.4colorrebellion.com/revo...roller-mockups/
Here's the Gamestop forum topic that talks about some "insider" that knows which of those mockups are the real deal.
http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot...22876041&page=0
http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?i...evoad2fp1yg.jpg
The insider claims thats the prototype Rev controller and the only difference is that the C stick has been replaced with a trackball and it has gyros.
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?...trlvisor4te.jpg
The "insider" also claims that to the a real pic of the visor that supposed to come with the system.
Anyways, just another typical day in a Rev forum lol
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 15, 2005, 12:50:44 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 15, 2005, 05:41:22 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on August 15, 2005, 09:31:21 AM
Post by: nickmitch on August 15, 2005, 09:41:43 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 15, 2005, 10:32:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Truthliesn1seyes
I don't think Han_Solo ever made mention to that Thursdayathon thing as far as I remember. Anyways, I'm not sure if this has been posted though. Ran into this over at the Gamestop forums. Its all mostly BS as usual but it does provide a link to site that has a roundup of all the Rev related images that have come online. I saw mockups there that I've never even seen before.
Here's the site of the mockups
http://www.4colorrebellion.com/revo...roller-mockups/
Here's the Gamestop forum topic that talks about some "insider" that knows which of those mockups are the real deal.
http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot...22876041&page=0
http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?i...evoad2fp1yg.jpg
The insider claims thats the prototype Rev controller and the only difference is that the C stick has been replaced with a trackball and it has gyros.
http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?...trlvisor4te.jpg
The "insider" also claims that to the a real pic of the visor that supposed to come with the system.
Anyways, just another typical day in a Rev forum lol
that should make it easier on all of you
p.s. to post links on this board either click on the big blue "HTTP" above the window you are typing you post in to or
use this format without the *'s - [*L="what you want link to say"]http://www.put-your-link-address-here.com[*/L]
with out the *'s this is what you get - "what you want link to say"
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2005, 05:31:09 PM
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"when will more revolution news be announced?
Matt responds: Shortly after the Leipzig Games Convention. I don't have an exact time frame -- it could be a day or a week, but I don't expect it will be much longer."
Post by: IceCold on August 15, 2005, 06:41:31 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 15, 2005, 07:07:32 PM
yeah I know thats the same thing
Post by: Ian Sane on August 15, 2005, 07:11:38 PM
I don't know whether to get excited or anxious. On one hand we get to see the Rev. On the other hand I'm incredibly worried about Nintendo failing to deliver due mainly to the insane amount of hype that has been created. It's like they have to deliver the Holodeck or people are going to be disappointed.
IGN better have some facts to back this estimate up. This is going to spread like wildfire and we all know Nintendo will be the one taking the rap if nothing happens, despite them never promising anything themselves.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 15, 2005, 07:36:44 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on August 15, 2005, 08:51:46 PM
Satin baby, so satin.
Post by: nickmitch on August 15, 2005, 09:24:17 PM
.Come oooooon August 29th. Come oooooon August 29th.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on August 15, 2005, 09:26:35 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 15, 2005, 10:03:38 PM
That's right.
Post by: Pale on August 16, 2005, 09:07:38 AM
I mean, at least it's a convention that we know nintendo is going to be exhibiting at...
Oh, and I'm gonna be there =P
Post by: blackfootsteps on August 17, 2005, 02:24:12 AM
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Originally posted by: IGN (Mailbag)
Q. In your last mailbox you mentioned that there would be more information about the revolution shortly after Leipzig. How educated of a guess is this?
Matt responds: I wouldn't call it a guess.
Hmm. As Bill said maybe IGN knows more...
Post by: nickmitch on August 17, 2005, 07:04:30 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 17, 2005, 08:26:34 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on August 17, 2005, 09:11:21 AM
Post by: Pale on August 17, 2005, 09:12:30 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 18, 2005, 10:13:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
I heard in todays mailbag Matt said it wasn't a guess!!
I don't exactly trust anyone who doesn't back up their info. I mean, he didn't even say who he heard it from. He just says, "I know". WOO OMNIPOTENCE!
Post by: KDR_11k on August 18, 2005, 10:20:15 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on August 18, 2005, 11:16:51 AM
Well more rumors are making the rounds, first is this picture Matt at IGN posted in their forums. The pic is supposed to hint at something Rev related. Currently there is a thread of it over at Gamespot forums. Anyways, here's the url
(Sorry, still dont remember how to rename a link lol)
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/368/368909/pterosaur-20050817112710324.jpg
This next rumor isn't exactly a rumor. This was posted over at the Gamespot forums and was taken from Nintendo of Europe's site. Apparently you need to be a VIP member to access this article but here's a quote from a game tester when asked about the Rev
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Erkan Kasap is certain that Nintendo's next generation console, codenamed Revolution, will provide an additional challenge to the department: "It's going to provide a different way of playing, with totally different game genres and so a totally different appeal to the market. And that means the quality control is also going to be totally different." And that's before taking into account the online dimension that systems like Revolution and Nintendo DS are planning to offer
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 18, 2005, 11:20:13 AM
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"It's going to provide a different way of playing, with totally different game genres and so a totally different appeal to the market. And that means the quality control is also going to be totally different."
Sounds good to me!
I was looking at the image that old Matty posted, and the most noticable things are the "360?" song (which is apparently mocking the system) and, sadly, the HD-sized screen...Personally I don't see any big Zelda Rev news coming out due to the negative effect it would have on Twilight Princess...Oh, and there's a topic asking if there will be Rev news tomorrow...
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on August 18, 2005, 11:52:56 AM
Post by: vudu on August 18, 2005, 12:14:07 PM
He's wearing velvet pants
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on August 18, 2005, 12:21:57 PM
Post by: vudu on August 18, 2005, 12:30:11 PM
BTW, I think I figured out Matt's clue. As Bill pointed out, the song that's highlighted is 360? (Oh Yeah?). Matt's probably just trying to say "If you think Xbox 360 is great, just wait until you see the Nintendo Revolution".
Post by: BigJim on August 18, 2005, 04:09:29 PM
Where did the idea come from that it had anything to do with Revolution?
Edit: Looks like Matt's mailbag smacks this one down.
Next!
Post by: couchmonkey on August 19, 2005, 07:28:09 AM
The Nintendo Excorcism will allow us to possess our TV sets and thus truly experience the game...in HDTV widescreen!! You'll feel 16:9 times as fat as usual, but everyone watching you play will be happy to get the true HDTV "experience" and the system even comes with Nintendo branded barf-bags in case your Nintendo Excorsism goes haywire and starts spinning around and puking while you play.
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on August 24, 2005, 09:12:06 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on August 26, 2005, 08:33:00 PM
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Project N-Game via etj for Nintendo of America SeriousGamer007 entity of N-Game provided by ................. Nintendo Believe Campaign search engine optimization etrafficjams
I don't know much bout the internet but is that text thats supposed to be hidden from users when a page loads up? I'm just trying to make sence to what that text came from on his page cuase I dont remember reading anything like that. Also, is anyone else having trouble getting his page to load up or is it just me?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2005, 08:39:23 PM
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...and what reason have we to believe that Matt actually knows something for once? Yeesh...
Did you see IGN's "Revolution mockup" before Ninty's E3 conference? If you haven't, I recommend that you do...
As for SG007's blog, you can find it easily in the page source...I seriously doubt it's meant to be hidden...
Post by: Artimus on August 27, 2005, 05:44:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
...and what reason have we to believe that Matt actually knows something for once? Yeesh...
Did you see IGN's "Revolution mockup" before Ninty's E3 conference? If you haven't, I recommend that you do...
As for SG007's blog, you can find it easily in the page source...I seriously doubt it's meant to be hidden...
That mockup was done on very specific size requirements given by NOA a few days before. They were no more accurate than anyone, they even had the directions wrong.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2005, 05:48:42 AM
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Post by: Don'tHate742 on August 27, 2005, 03:50:56 PM
.Look at the picture. The stand is "shown" as the part not wrapped up in paper. The part that is wrapped up in paper is the REV. He knew there was a stand and therefore put it in his "mock up."
Post by: Artimus on August 27, 2005, 05:37:15 PM
Plus, why would there be a stand on it lying down?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2005, 06:19:06 PM
p.s. the mock up he made was not meant to be accurate, it was to be representive of what would be shown.
Post by: Artimus on August 27, 2005, 06:58:45 PM
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Post by: mantidor on August 27, 2005, 08:38:16 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2005, 08:53:49 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2005, 09:29:35 PM
QuoteI'm with you on this one Bill, some people can be so dense at times that it becomes frustrating.
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
GOOD GOD, this is ridiculous! The grey part of the Rev mock-up is IDENTICAL in shape and form as the real Rev stand, END OF DISCUSSION...Claiming it's coincedence or otherwise is bogus!
*starts doing retarded hand movements*
it-wa-men-to-be-rep-re-zen-ta-tive-of-wha-da-rev-o-lu-shun-wa-su-pos-to-luk-like
Post by: ShyGuy on August 27, 2005, 11:45:51 PM
The revolution: http://planetgamecube.com/media.cfm?action=hwshot&id=238&seq=4
Not exactly identical, probably just part of the paper that Matt used. I think it's a coinky-dink
Post by: Artimus on August 28, 2005, 02:29:25 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 28, 2005, 06:36:02 AM
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IGN said this:
Look at the guts of the machine. Pretty powerful, huh? Legit specs for Revolution have not yet been made public, but we do know the console will be powerful enough to play high-definition games..
blol insider information
Post by: stevey on August 28, 2005, 07:03:29 AM
duh.. Who said it wasn't? nintendo dosen't want to wasted money on make game in hd when there less than 1% of people gaming on hd. the ps3 is the one that can't do hd nintendo soo cool that teh revolution dosen't need to but can
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 28, 2005, 07:08:36 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 28, 2005, 07:30:07 AM
Do you get a kick out of making false statements like that?
Post by: MysticGohan24 on August 28, 2005, 11:20:29 AM
Other than that, I'm glad we'll see Rev support 480p, that's good enough for me. But what makes a TV "HD" Truely? The one I have does both 480p and 1080i and is HD Philips 46" Perhaps Nintendo will support both 480p 720p perhaps and 1080i, although I'm not sure what technically is better in my case, 1080i or 480p?
I understand it has to do with how many lines can be display at a time and refresh rate...? I think I'm close anyway.
But I'm curious about this "Visor" that may or may not come with Rev, what Enhancments will a Steroscopic 3D visor offer?
Intresting... indeed!
Post by: BigJim on August 28, 2005, 05:49:07 PM
But Nintendo denies HD video support, even though the graphics chip and component output could do it if they wanted it to. Why they chose not to support it seems ridiculous.There's no question to me that 1080i looks better than 480p.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2005, 06:27:24 PM
2) HD is just a waste of resources...OH BOY, I can get rid of a working framerate to put the game in HD, YESSSSSS!
Post by: MysticGohan24 on August 28, 2005, 07:58:26 PM
yeah, who want's to see a game that dips at 8fps? heh painful..isn't it?
Post by: MysticGohan24 on August 28, 2005, 08:04:54 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
720p, 1080i and 1080p are considered HD.
There's no question to me that 1080i looks better than 480p.
heh thanks for clearing that up, but I've wondered what the hell is up with Philips B15 cable? it looks like a VGA jack on a tower. but I don't see that accessory at local stores. It supposed to be an HD Cable, I guess it was Philips version of a DVI port. Oddly, I don't know what devices use that cable. Atleast there's the RGB/ PyBr inputs
Post by: BigJim on August 28, 2005, 08:16:41 PM
Any modern graphics card shows that HD resolutions don't have to be the framerate/fillrate horror that some people are making it out to be. Especially if the power will be anything in the neighborhood of ATI's R520.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on August 28, 2005, 08:39:59 PM
I must admit though, that gray splooge does look like what is meant to be a stand.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on September 02, 2005, 08:30:26 PM
LINK
What does everyone think of his theory? Is it just coincidence or could there be something more?
Post by: The Omen on September 02, 2005, 09:03:46 PM
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1) Ninty wants to make sure every gamer is able to get the maximum look out of their console
2) HD is just a waste of resources...OH BOY, I can get rid of a working framerate to put the game in HD, YESSSSSS!
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#1-you can run HD games on standard televisions , so you would have it both ways. Non-hd gamers would never know what their missing, so what's the difference?
#2-Have you seen a finished game run in HD this gen.? It is supposedly very achievable to have it in hd and run smooth as silk. The consoles are powerful enough to do it.
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I ran into an interesting thread over at the Gamespot forums and thought it deserved a mention over here.
LINK
What does everyone think of his theory? Is it just coincidence or could there be something more?
I really like the idea, and all the evidence matches up. But I have to wonder about cost. However, one thing Nintendo is great at is finding affordable methods of improving consoles, and maybe they've found a way to mass produce these on the cheap.(relatively speaking)
I'll say right now, if this is the Revolution, they have won next generation. It will be like Minority Report for damn sake! The fanboy in me hopes it's true.
Post by: BigJim on September 02, 2005, 09:57:28 PM
I think the creator of that thread was cherry picking comments to find comparisons. I don't believe hologram projection is close to affordable yet, much less interactive ones. Consider the limited scope of gameplay it would provide. It's little more than a novelty that would get old very quickly.
It also doesn't make using Gamecube dev kits very relevant considering the new visual format. Notice how the holograms only display objects. What about backgrounds? What about playing in a lit room? A holographic unit would be even more restrictive than a console (re: Reggie's comments about not being tied to a TV anymore)
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on September 02, 2005, 10:27:35 PM
Post by: The Omen on September 02, 2005, 10:48:02 PM
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It also doesn't make using Gamecube dev kits very relevant considering the new visual format. Notice how the holograms only display objects. What about backgrounds? What about playing in a lit room?
How the hell do I know? If you read the comments, they almost sound exactly the same, between Nintendo and whatever the companies name is. I'm not saying it's a definite, but it's obvious by the statements Nintendo has made there is something very different than we're used to .
Post by: BigJim on September 02, 2005, 11:43:18 PM
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What if the background was displayed on a tv
The hologram could get wiped out due to the brightness of the TV over shining it. If 3D were the goal, a visor would be cheaper to create the same effect (a 3D object interacting with a background).
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How the hell do I know?
I wasn't directing the questions at you pointedly, I was just asking the new questions this would create.
The only similarities I see in the comments are "new" and "paradigm." I just don't see the connection. To me it's a very reaching theory.
Post by: IceCold on September 03, 2005, 06:43:20 PM
Just another day of rumours about the controller. Although I admit, we haven't had one for a long time. We'll see it when we see it, and no sooner.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on September 04, 2005, 04:37:59 PM
supposed tech analyst
Game developer working on next gen games
Also, ran into this strange yet interesting site over at the Gamestop forums. I have to give it a proper read through later on becuase as I skimmed through it right now, it was just a bit confusing. Anyway here's that link
Nintendobox
Post by: mantidor on September 04, 2005, 05:56:32 PM
EDIT: Ive been wondering, do any of this blogs are negative towards the Rev? all say its going to be awesome, but theres not a single one who says that the Rev is fine but not as revolutionary as Nintendo has been claiming, or is it?
Post by: nickmitch on September 05, 2005, 05:28:52 AM
And that 3rd link was bonkers.
Post by: pudu on September 05, 2005, 12:35:41 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Theres just TOO MUCH FAKES! >_< we probably have alrady seen the real Rev and we missed it among all this crazyness.
EDIT: Ive been wondering, do any of this blogs are negative towards the Rev? all say its going to be awesome, but theres not a single one who says that the Rev is fine but not as revolutionary as Nintendo has been claiming, or is it?
If you want to see one just ask Matt from IGN to start it. He's probably the most negative/pesimistic person I know in regards to the Rev. I know he's a Ninty fan and fans can be the biggest critics of all but sheesh.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 05, 2005, 12:51:09 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
EDIT: Ive been wondering, do any of this blogs are negative towards the Rev? all say its going to be awesome, but theres not a single one who says that the Rev is fine but not as revolutionary as Nintendo has been claiming, or is it?
Those would definitely be fakes...
Post by: Artimus on September 05, 2005, 01:06:24 PM
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Originally posted by: puduQuote
Originally posted by: mantidor
Theres just TOO MUCH FAKES! >_< we probably have alrady seen the real Rev and we missed it among all this crazyness.
EDIT: Ive been wondering, do any of this blogs are negative towards the Rev? all say its going to be awesome, but theres not a single one who says that the Rev is fine but not as revolutionary as Nintendo has been claiming, or is it?
If you want to see one just ask Matt from IGN to start it. He's probably the most negative/pesimistic person I know in regards to the Rev. I know he's a Ninty fan and fans can be the biggest critics of all but sheesh.
You must not have met Ian yet.
Post by: mantidor on September 05, 2005, 06:33:03 PM
Post by: ThePerm on September 05, 2005, 07:08:44 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on September 05, 2005, 07:50:10 PM
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So I work at an EB Games in Sammamish, WA. which is about 5 minutes away from Redmond, WA. (HEADQUARTERS of Nintendo of America) Today we closed at 6:00 p.m. but at about 5:50 a guy came in wearing an NAO badge on his hip.
When asked about Nintendo he said that he works in the "Treehouse". (Which, as he explained is an area of Nintendo that works on ideas, development, and marketing.)
I jumped to the point and asked him about the controller... here was his response:
mischief "I've seen the Revolution Controller, and it's something that will absolutely set Nintendo ahead this next console race. It truly is something so revolutionary you will wonder how you played games without it before. I promise you that when the details are released you won't even have a doubt as to which console you will want to play first." The next may not be word for word but it's the main points he stated:
-Certain games: I.E. - SPLINTER CELL are working on a totally different, yet more stealth control schemes just for the REVO.
-Many companies are jumping on board due to cheap development costs and high results
-NO demo's in store, too "sensitive" and "Not enough space" to properly use the controller
-The "BIG THREE" (Mario, Metroid, Zelda) will be seen, played, and heard as you have never imagined before.
-Nintendo has the info ready to be released, and they WANT to tell us, but are so worried that other companies (Microsoft and Sony) will steal the idea, they will make the customers and gamers wait until they see final plans for PS3 and launch (Or finished Hardware) of the 360.
That's really all I remember.
Believe it, and you can doubt all you want but don't shoot the messenger.
As usual, take it as you will.
Post by: Mario on September 05, 2005, 08:04:39 PM
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-NO demo's in store, too "sensitive" and "Not enough space" to properly use the controller
That doesn't fit with Nintendos vision at all.
Post by: mantidor on September 05, 2005, 08:25:11 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 05, 2005, 09:25:12 PM
Post by: Mr. Segali on September 05, 2005, 11:35:13 PM
I believe all that makes perfect sense if some of the revo's rumored controller features are true. Think about it, if the revo does make use of gyroscopic control, that would mean the player would have to jerk the controller all around... demo controllers now are bolted in place with the cords secured in metal housing. Pretty much, I like the idea of the Revolution's controller to be an untamable beast.
Post by: wandering on September 06, 2005, 07:34:23 AM
Also, Nintendo managed to get demo units of DK Bongos and Dses in stores.
Also also, if there 'isn't enough space' in a large store for a demo unit, how can they expect there to be enough space in someone's home? Or are they going the Sony route and designing a console that's 'not intended for households'?
Post by: ShyGuy on September 06, 2005, 07:52:53 AM
that makes it sound like a camera to me.
Post by: pudu on September 06, 2005, 09:14:54 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
too large? too sensitive? new stealth elements in Splinter Cell?
that makes it sound like a camera to me.
Well I really don't believe this info but if it were true I think it could easily be a camera.
Needs a lot of space: need a lot of space where no one else will be around but you
Sensitive: if you don't privacy and people walk by the cam will pick up on them and ruin your play experience
But, again, I think this is probably B.S.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 06, 2005, 09:54:39 AM
Besides, N wouldn't be this secretive if they were just copyig Sony.
Post by: Renny on September 06, 2005, 12:20:34 PM
Post by: Mr. Segali on September 06, 2005, 01:36:44 PM
I'm not saying "this is the reason why there cannot be any kisoks" nor am I saying "there won't be any" because I believe Nintendo will find a way. I'm just saying the revolutionary features might make it difficult.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on September 08, 2005, 10:18:30 PM
Patent
Post by: BigJim on September 09, 2005, 01:54:29 AM
Post by: Noble~Feather on September 09, 2005, 02:45:06 AM
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Originally posted by: K-RPG
He was a member of the G4 boards, until he was finally -- justfully banned.
But I <3 you... :'(Anyway, I've had my fun, and I hope you've all learn a lesson from this: don't trust "insiders" over the interweb.
Be patient and wait for official Rev news! It can't be that far off anyway.BTW... what has this thread turn into anyway? It's just like some hype thread now.
Post by: ShyGuy on September 09, 2005, 10:05:23 AM
Reading patents is annoying, they really need to come up with a better way to view patent images on their website.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on September 10, 2005, 10:18:32 AM
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Simplified Explanation
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What this means is that, there are 2 pieces of the console hardware.
The main console (system 54) does this:
Sends audio/video signals to the television set, meaning it applies what "system 50" processes to the audio. Basically it puts the calculations into the formula in the correct order.
And the second, unshown hardware, (system 50) does this:
Processes the digital models, displays some/all of the world from [viewpoint x], can "interactively change the viewpoint in response to real time inputs from handeld controllers 52a, 52b, or other input devices. This lets the player "see the world through the eyes of someone within or outside of the world". It also can display 2-d images, but is primarily used to "create very realistic and exciting game play" or other graphical interactions.
And the input devices (aka: controllers)
Will not always take this example. They can take "a variety of forms".
````` The REALLY interesting thing is that, if this is true, Nintendo hasn't even shown us the REAL "revolution" console yet. What they have shown us (the black box) is simply a communication device between the ACTUAL console (the part that does the calculations), the player (via the controller), and the television screen. We haven't seen ANYTHING yet. Literally.
The clues are adding up. Think of it what you wish. But, interestingly enough, it all sounds a lot like what this guy wrote:
http://revolutionspecs.blogspot.com/
Here's a pic the poster provided. We've seen it a few times before but I'm not sure if there have been any changes to it since the last time we saw it. If you notice, the mysterious "system 50" is labeled in the pic but its just pointing right into thin air. I guess there still hiding things.
Pic
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2005, 10:41:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Noble~Feather
Anyway, I've had my fun, and I hope you've all learn a lesson from this: don't trust "insiders" over the interweb.
Your sir/mam are a LIAR!!! and I hereby demand that you change your name, as you are neither noble by any meaning of the word nor were any of your attempts at "insider" info tickling my funny bone
Birds of your feather do not flock here.....
Post by: stevey on September 10, 2005, 02:22:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Noble~FeatherQuote
Originally posted by: K-RPG
He was a member of the G4 boards, until he was finally -- justfully banned.
Anyway, I've had my fun, and I hope you've all learn a lesson from this: don't trust "insiders" over the interweb.
BTW... what has this thread turn into anyway? It's just like some hype thread now.
so you lie
their is no god!!!!111!11!!!!!1!
