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Title: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: lolmonade on May 22, 2011, 08:52:27 PM
My body is ready (http://greatgamingcrusade.com/2011/04/28/rumor-next-smash-bros-game-to-be-shown-at-e3-2011/)

 ;D ;D

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Although our sources within the industry are few and far between, we do have them and what they are telling us is that Nintendo will be showing off the next Super Smash Bros. game at this year’s E3. On top of that, it’s said that it will be shown for the Wii’s successor. We don’t yet know how true this is, so for now we’ll keep this as a rumor. We also would like to know if the game will be shown in video or playable form. Knowing that Kid Icarus: Uprising for the Nintendo 3DS is almost done, it’s quite possible that Masahiro Sakurai has been working on the next Super Smash Bros. title.
Here’s lookin’ at you E3 2011. I’m sure if this turns out to be true, there will be many a happy gamer at this year’s expo.

Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 22, 2011, 08:56:05 PM
*Faints*
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2011, 08:57:44 PM
Hope its more like Melee... Hopes it more like Melee... Hope it kills off Sonic... Hope its More Like Melee...
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: lolmonade on May 22, 2011, 09:05:34 PM
Hope its more like Melee... Hopes it more like Melee... Hope it kills off Sonic... Hope its More Like Melee...

You know, I really didn't mind most of the changes from Melee to Brawl.  Slowing it down makes people focus more on mind games than always using the OMG FASTEST character, and things like the smash ball and items can still be turned off, and so can the ridiculous levels if you're tourney-level obsessive.  My only real complaint was the whole tripping thing...I can accept additions meant to make it easier for beginners, but not when they way they do so is to punish someone whose taken the time to become better at the game. 
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 22, 2011, 09:14:34 PM
This is one of those games which Nintendo only releases once per console generation, so that rules out it coming to the Wii (although it is conceivable they could put out a version for the 3DS). If you try to buy Brawl anywhere, it is still pretty much the same price as it was when it was released several years ago. The demand for it is just that high...
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Ceric on May 22, 2011, 09:20:44 PM
Hope its more like Melee... Hopes it more like Melee... Hope it kills off Sonic... Hope its More Like Melee...

You know, I really didn't mind most of the changes from Melee to Brawl.  Slowing it down makes people focus more on mind games than always using the OMG FASTEST character, and things like the smash ball and items can still be turned off, and so can the ridiculous levels if you're tourney-level obsessive.  My only real complaint was the whole tripping thing...I can accept additions meant to make it easier for beginners, but not when they way they do so is to punish someone whose taken the time to become better at the game. 
If you look back on here you'll notice I was super super excited for Brawl.  I actually didn't like Melee to much till a played brawl.  Then I like Melee better after going back to it.  Melee just feels better and more polished to me.  I can't really cite specific examples of why but it does which is counter-intuitive to me because on Paper Brawl should be the clearly superior game.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 22, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
I was very happy with Brawl because it got slowed the hell down. But all I care for now is a blanced as possible fighter, items or no items, with good online! I mean there is no reason why Snake should have tilts that rival fully charged smashes from other characters, big and slow should really mean something when power is concerned. It shouldn't be near impossible for a bowser or ganon player to face a metaknight of equal skill level. Some characters just had way more of everything than others.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Arbok on May 22, 2011, 09:48:41 PM
I was very happy with Braw' because it got slowed the hell down. But all I care for now is a blanced as possibly fighter...

Agreed.

Also, of the three, Brawl is the most balanced of them. There is room for improvement, as pointed out with Snake, but its much better than the first (Captain Falcon>>>Jigglypuff) and Melee (Marth>>>Bowser) which had some regular chasms in balance between fighters.

I'd love to see another entry with more characters and balance as its focus.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on May 22, 2011, 09:59:04 PM
I liked the slower speed of SSBBrawl, but everything else about the game was far worse than the first two titles, from the physics to the stages to the style. If this rumour is true, I hope Sora has absolutely no involvement in the game.

Also, of the three, Brawl is the most balanced of them.
I still think the original has the most balanced characters, but if you're talking overall, Brawl has extremely unbalanced items and stages as well.

and things like the smash ball and items can still be turned off, and so can the ridiculous levels if you're tourney-level obsessive.
Just because they can be disabled does not excuse them from being terrible.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: lolmonade on May 22, 2011, 10:05:22 PM

and things like the smash ball and items can still be turned off, and so can the ridiculous levels if you're tourney-level obsessive.
Just because they can be disabled does not excuse them from being terrible.

I agree that it's no excuse for the levels, but for something like the Smash Ball, why would it bother you so much?  That's the beauty of it being optional, that you can disable it and it won't negatively impact your experience.  Now I feel like for the levels, its less excusable because things like random insta-kills and OBSCENELY LARGE levels are a complete wash and the developers of the game should have known well enough that those things are a nuisance at best and game-breaking at worst.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2011, 10:09:12 PM
I dropped this in the rumor thread and updated the rumor list.


edit: Just realized this is from April 28th
I wonder why we are just hearing about it.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on May 22, 2011, 10:23:31 PM
I agree that it's no excuse for the levels, but for something like the Smash Ball, why would it bother you so much?
The Smash Ball doesn't bother me. It's supposed to be a super-powerful attack and the idea to have one item like that is fine by me. But it doesn't stop there. About half the items in the game are instant KOs, and about a third are practically useless. That leaves about 5-6 items that are helpful with a little skill, but not overpowering. That's my issue.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Stogi on May 22, 2011, 10:53:47 PM
I think the only thing Brawl really fucked up was the online experience. I pretty much gave up on it immediately.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Caterkiller on May 22, 2011, 10:59:35 PM
I think the only thing Brawl really fucked up was the online experience. I pretty much gave up on it immediately.

Yeah, I don't know how I played online for as long as I did. I am so expecting a fantastic online experience for smash 4, just that, balanced characters, dixie kong and ridley and I will play it even longer than brawl. I think I only just stopped playing brawl regularly last year. I will play people in person, but online, no way. Last year at Animeexpo I killed with DK! Dude with Peach must have had  a winning streak of 10 people, all one on one! I showed em whos boss!
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Stogi on May 22, 2011, 11:03:11 PM
One on one? I find those games to be the most intense, but also the most draining. The game loses its charm when its so serious.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2011, 11:54:23 PM
I loved Melee to death, but felt the multiplayer was too fast.  I loved Brawl, but thought the single player was abysmal.  Seriously, Brawl's single player is horrible. 

I hope for more Melee in single player, and more Brawl in multiplayer.  But I also want more character variety.  I know that the moves will basically follow the same formula...but I want new franchises represented well.  And Sonic needs to stay, and Mega Man needs to be added.  Solid Snake needs to disappear forever.

Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 23, 2011, 02:46:52 AM
Well Melee was shown at E3 2001 when the Gamecube was revealed.

Brawl was shown at E3 2006 when the Wii was revealed.

So we are kind of due for a new Smash Bros to be shown this year since Nintendo has revealed a new Smash Bros every 5 years to go along with the newest home console. 

Actually it's probably been in development for awhile now.  The main team behind Brawl who created all the characters and stages under Sakurai's direction was Game Arts, who's last game released was Lunar: Silver Star Harmony for the PSP in November 2009.  Game Arts is a studio that usually releases at least one game every year and they haven't released anything in over a year and a half and haven't announced that they're working on anything either, which points to them working on something big since the end of 2009.  Since Nintendo has no current HD engines to work off of and any HD development would require longer dev times, not to mention the next Smash Bros will probably have around 50 characters now, which takes even more time to develop, Nintendo probably contacted Game Arts shortly after they made their Ninja Turtles Smash Bros clone to start development of a real Smash Bros right away so it could be ready for a 2012 release.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Arbok on May 23, 2011, 10:08:30 AM
And Sonic needs to stay, and Mega Man needs to be added. 

Assuming Smash Bros has been in the works, its possible that Mega Man's odd exclusion from Marvel vs. Capcom 3 might be hinting toward his addition into another "fighting" franchise.

Don't have a ton of faith in that, but throwing it out there as possibility since Capcom's only statement was they seemed to feel he didn't fit in the game (which was odd, since he was in the first two).
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Ceric on May 23, 2011, 10:20:14 AM
And Sonic needs to stay, and Mega Man needs to be added. 

Assuming Smash Bros has been in the works, its possible that Mega Man's odd exclusion from Marvel vs. Capcom 3 might be hinting toward his addition into another "fighting" franchise.

Don't have a ton of faith in that, but throwing it out there as possibility since Capcom's only statement was they seemed to feel he didn't fit in the game (which was odd, since he was in the first two).
Or that he be an Insta-Buy DLC.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: KisakiProject on May 23, 2011, 02:24:10 PM
I personally hated Brawl and thought Melee was the best multi-player game ever.  So I hope they do this one right.  Given all the coverage on other sites about this I wouldn't be surprised.  I mean IGN and other sites having featurettes.  Sounds like they got an NDA they can't break.  I'm hoping for a Melee port to 3DS with more characters and stages.  Or an all new one that doesn't have the trip.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2011, 03:11:27 PM
Speaking of IGN & NDA's...

Quote from: IGN 12/3/2010
We have plenty to say about Smash Bros., and you'll definitely hear more about the franchise in the months to come. For now, we're curious: which of the three games is your favorite?
http://m.ign.com/articles/1138536

Looks like if Smash Bros. Café is about to happen @ E3, it's very possible that IGN has known about it (the game... not necessarily what system it was for) since December of last year.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 23, 2011, 05:44:09 PM
I remember that quote. I'll chalk it up to them having inside info. I'll buy into this completely, if it doesn't surface at E3 oh well.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Luigi Dude on May 23, 2011, 05:51:49 PM
Considering the final Brawl roster was first leaked by a Gamefaqs poster in October 2007, about 3 months before the final game was first released in Japan, I wouldn't be surprised if a place like IGN was able to get some type of information on a new Smash Bros for the Cafe about 6 months before it was suppose to be revealed.  Smash Bros is the one Nintendo series where they seem to be unable to prevent leaks from happening.

Assuming Smash Bros has been in the works, its possible that Mega Man's odd exclusion from Marvel vs. Capcom 3 might be hinting toward his addition into another "fighting" franchise.

Don't have a ton of faith in that, but throwing it out there as possibility since Capcom's only statement was they seemed to feel he didn't fit in the game (which was odd, since he was in the first two).

The main problem working against Mega Man being in Smash Bros is the fact nobody at Capcom seems to give a sh!t about the series anymore.  The only reason Snake got in is because his creator, Hideo Kojima is Konami's top designer and he wanted him in and worked out a deal to get him in.  Since the creator of Mega Man has now left Capcom, there's nobody with any real power at Capcom that probably even cares if Mega Man gets in and would be willing to try and work a deal out to get him in.

The only way Mega Man can get in is if he becomes the most requested character for the next Smash Bros like Sonic became for Brawl, which makes Nintendo actually go over to Capcom to asked for their permission to get Mega Man, like they did with Sega for Brawl.  The problem with that is the Mega Man franchise has never been anywhere close to the popularity as Sonic.  Plus there's been so many different Mega Man series by now, all the different Mega Men will end up splitting the votes, which will make sure none of them come any where close to the top of any list.

If there's a Capcom character that gets in the next Smash Bros, it'll probably be a Street Fighter character since the guy who's currently in charge of Street Fighter, Yoshinori Ono, has stated he'd like to have a vs Nintendo crossover and that he'd like to talk to Sakurai about it.  Then when this news started causing rumors to get out of hand, Ono went and apoligized to Iwata himself.  So we have the guy in charge of Street Fighter, saying he'd like to contact Sakurai, and has had some contact with Iwata which he says was to apologize.  I'd bet good money that Ono has contacted Sakurai and that they've worked out a deal to get Street Fighter character to be a guest star in the next Smash Bros.  This might explain why even Nintendo themselves hyped up Street Fighter IV for the 3DS, more then any other third party title.  Plus I bet the Cafe will probably get a port of Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition and Street Fighter X Tekken as well.

So yeah, right now my money is on a Street Fighter character being playable in the next Smash Bros.  Which will hopefully allow for Ono to actually do a Nintendo vs Capcom game in the future because of it.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: lolmonade on May 23, 2011, 06:02:02 PM
Considering the final Brawl roster was first leaked by a Gamefaqs poster in October 2007, about 3 months before the final game was first released in Japan, I wouldn't be surprised if a place like IGN was able to get some type of information on a new Smash Bros for the Cafe about 6 months before it was suppose to be revealed.  Smash Bros is the one Nintendo series where they seem to be unable to prevent leaks from happening.

Assuming Smash Bros has been in the works, its possible that Mega Man's odd exclusion from Marvel vs. Capcom 3 might be hinting toward his addition into another "fighting" franchise.

Don't have a ton of faith in that, but throwing it out there as possibility since Capcom's only statement was they seemed to feel he didn't fit in the game (which was odd, since he was in the first two).

The main problem working against Mega Man being in Smash Bros is the fact nobody at Capcom seems to give a sh!t about the series anymore.  The only reason Snake got in is because his creator, Hideo Kojima is Konami's top designer and he wanted him in and worked out a deal to get him in.  Since the creator of Mega Man has now left Capcom, there's nobody with any real power at Capcom that probably even cares if Mega Man gets in and would be willing to try and work a deal out to get him in.

The only way Mega Man can get in is if he becomes the most requested character for the next Smash Bros like Sonic became for Brawl, which makes Nintendo actually go over to Capcom to asked for their permission to get Mega Man, like they did with Sega for Brawl.  The problem with that is the Mega Man franchise has never been anywhere close to the popularity as Sonic.  Plus there's been so many different Mega Man series by now, all the different Mega Men will end up splitting the votes, which will make sure none of them come any where close to the top of any list.

If there's a Capcom character that gets in the next Smash Bros, it'll probably be a Street Fighter character since the guy who's currently in charge of Street Fighter, Yoshinori Ono, has stated he'd like to have a vs Nintendo crossover and that he'd like to talk to Sakurai about it.  Then when this news started causing rumors to get out of hand, Ono went and apoligized to Iwata himself.  So we have the guy in charge of Street Fighter, saying he'd like to contact Sakurai, and has had some contact with Iwata which he says was to apologize.  I'd bet good money that Ono has contacted Sakurai and that they've worked out a deal to get Street Fighter character to be a guest star in the next Smash Bros.  This might explain why even Nintendo themselves hyped up Street Fighter IV for the 3DS, more then any other third party title.  Plus I bet the Cafe will probably get a port of Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition and Street Fighter X Tekken as well.

So yeah, right now my money is on a Street Fighter character being playable in the next Smash Bros.  Which will hopefully allow for Ono to actually do a Nintendo vs Capcom game in the future because of it.

One reason I might be skeptical of a Capcom guest star for Smash Bros:

http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-philadelphia/capcom-serves-nintendo-3ds-its-first-real-blow (http://www.examiner.com/video-game-in-philadelphia/capcom-serves-nintendo-3ds-its-first-real-blow)

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Capcom serves Nintendo 3DS its first real blow
If you had visions of a portable 3D Mega Man in your head when Nintendo released the 3DS, you can forget about it. Capcom has reduced support (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/23/capcom_ps3_expectations/) for the new system, in addition to the Nintendo Wii and Nintendo DS.

The article does mention their hiatus from Nintendo could be short-lived, but it doesn't bode well for their confidence in the Nintendo brand right now.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 23, 2011, 06:43:01 PM
For some stupid reason, Capcom combines the 3DS and DS in that listing. And Okamiden/Ace Attorney 2 ain't walkin' through that door again.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on May 23, 2011, 07:53:31 PM
Speaking of IGN & NDA's...

Quote from: IGN 12/3/2010
We have plenty to say about Smash Bros., and you'll definitely hear more about the franchise in the months to come. For now, we're curious: which of the three games is your favorite?
http://m.ign.com/articles/1138536
I remember hearing this now that you mention it, though if it were that far back, it seems more likely it'd be for the 3DS.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Ceric on May 23, 2011, 07:57:38 PM
Though Smash is a good game if you plan to reuse character assets and want something that could branch out to tech demos.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 23, 2011, 07:58:59 PM
They never did that before, I doubt they would now.
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Post by: Silenced on May 23, 2011, 08:39:27 PM
I hope the AI are stronger. In Melee they were pretty powerful, but in Brawl I can beat a Lv.9 with Bowser. Friggin' Bowser.

And hopefully certain characters will be less powerful and godly (hello, MetaKnight!) and others will be much faster and not as heavy, with more air time (Ganon....).

If it is true a new Nintendo console will be released, the chances of a new SSB is high.  :D
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: stevey on May 23, 2011, 09:39:05 PM
The original plan for was brawl was an upgraded grafix straight port of melee with online. I'm completely expecting the new game to be just brawl 2.0 with all of melee/64 stages, costumes, and better online since that will make absolutely everyone buy it again with minimal dev cost. (Maybe with all characters getting a second final smash all being land-master tank)

That's assuming that it will be out at launch[/sakurai]
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Lithium on May 23, 2011, 10:18:47 PM
am I the only one who cant tell the difference between melee and brawl? (gameplay wise)
well I'm a pretty casual brawl player i don't take it very seriously like the tournament guys do so that might be why.
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Post by: Adrock on May 23, 2011, 10:52:02 PM
am I the only one who cant tell the difference between melee and brawl? (gameplay wise)
Probz.

I'd like someone new to take over Smash or for Nintendo to go back to the drawing board. And yes, I'm aware of the interview where Iwata stated he wanted Sakurai to be involved with the series or something along those lines. Brawl was just slower Melee. There weren't enough new ideas to keep the game fresh. Yeah, there were new (mostly pointless) techniques but it felt more like Melee+ than a new installment. I guess I'd be more forgiving if I got tons of new characters and stages. I'd still like to see Nintendo vs Everyone (3rd parties aka licensing nightmare aka fanboygasm). I don't want stickers or mini-games or an adventure mode or a story or even a single player mode if it meant the developers just focused on balancing the gameplay and loading the game with new content that really got down to what made the Smash franchise so fun (free-for-all multiplayer).
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Post by: Stogi on May 23, 2011, 11:11:08 PM
Adrock, while I respect your opinion, you and I both know you would have bought an graphical update to Melee with online being the only addition. Maybe what you would buy and what you expect is different, but who's fault is that?

Anyway, I can't see them taking the series any further. The formula is damn near perfected. Like I said before, the only thing they need to do is fix online. SSB is really the only game I think of that at a drop of a hat, I am willing to duel anyone who speaks boldly about their skills. If it's there and doesn't take any effort to setup, I'd bet cash money on myself. That's how great a game SSB's mulitplayer is. Just fix online (with a place for my paypal account ;)), Nintendo. Just fix online and all the people dissuaded, unimpressed, or even cranky will fall back in line.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: lolmonade on May 23, 2011, 11:25:40 PM
Adrock, while I respect your opinion, you and I both know you would have bought an graphical update to Melee with online being the only addition. Maybe what you would buy and what you expect is different, but who's fault is that?

Anyway, I can't see them taking the series any further. The formula is damn near perfected. Like I said before, the only thing they need to do is fix online. SSB is really the only game I think of that at a drop of a hat, I am willing to duel anyone who speaks boldly about their skills. If it's there and doesn't take any effort to setup, I'd bet cash money on myself. That's how great a game SSB's mulitplayer is. Just fix online (with a place for my paypal account ;) ), Nintendo. Just fix online and all the people dissuaded, unimpressed, or even cranky will fall back in line.

and trips.  gotta get rid of them trips. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj3L08EFfRo)
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 23, 2011, 11:37:55 PM
Nintendo would be smart to include 16 player co-op for both online and offline multiplayer. Also, having the Super Wii better integrated with home theatre systems would make for a better experience when playing multiplayer with this game.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Stogi on May 23, 2011, 11:39:23 PM
and trips.  gotta get rid of them trips. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj3L08EFfRo)

Agreed. I'm not sure why they were even included.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 24, 2011, 12:30:11 AM
Nintendo would be smart to include 16 player co-op for both online and offline multiplayer.

No. No they absolutely would not. In addition to being impossible to pull off from a networking perspective, the game just plain would not work with that many players.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 24, 2011, 12:37:08 AM
Nintendo would be smart to include 16 player co-op for both online and offline multiplayer.

No. No they absolutely would not. In addition to being impossible to pull off from a networking perspective, the game just plain would not work with that many players.
How so? I am thinking of the possibilities of havng a SSB party with that many people on the screen at once. A bigger and badder game.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 24, 2011, 12:39:04 AM
It would be badder alright.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 24, 2011, 12:49:52 AM
How could 16 players be kept on the screen at the same time? In order for that to happen they would have to be so tiny that it would be hard to tell them apart and you wouldn't get to see the action or anything.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Stogi on May 24, 2011, 01:05:22 AM
I actually think Kytim is onto something here. Not with the idea of 16 players..that's hilariously implausible. Not with his stereo idea either, but with the notion that the Super Wii could make for a better "Multiplayer" experience.

If each player has their own screen focused on his or her character with the main screen fixed to view the entire level, that would easily solve the game's biggest problem: losing track of your character.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: lolmonade on May 24, 2011, 01:08:39 AM
I actually think Kytim is onto something here. Not with the idea of 16 players..that's hilariously implausible. Not with his stereo idea either, but with the notion that the Super Wii could make for a better "Multiplayer" experience.

If each player has their own screen focused on his or her character with the main screen fixed to view the entire level, that would easily solve the game's biggest problem: losing track of your character.

A novel idea, but how do you anticipate the other character's movements towards you, or frantic projectiles if you don't have the view of the entire screen?

Just my thoughts, but there are plenty of important improvements that can be made to the game without messing with the core formula that works.  I would much prefer they try to refine the franchise into something complete than attempt something too out there that messes with what makes Smash Bros. great.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 24, 2011, 01:09:58 AM
My ambitious side got the better of me.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2011, 01:13:44 AM
If each player has their own screen focused on his or her character with the main screen fixed to view the entire level, that would easily solve the game's biggest problem: losing track of your character.

A novel idea, but how do you anticipate the other character's movements towards you, or frantic projectiles if you don't have the view of the entire screen?

If each player has their own screen focused on his or her character with the main screen fixed to view the entire level, that would easily solve the game's biggest problem: losing track of your character.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Stogi on May 24, 2011, 01:15:07 AM
Hmm, good point, lolmonade. I hadn't thought of that. I guess that would essentially make the touchscreen useless.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: lolmonade on May 24, 2011, 01:20:26 AM
Reading comprehension fail on my part.  :( Sorry.

I would still assert that having to move your eyes from controller screen to the tv back and forth would complicate what is mostly seen as a more user-friendly fighter.

Granted, that may be a common problem with Cafe games if the controller screen implementation is true.
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Post by: Ymeegod on May 24, 2011, 01:35:43 AM
Not sure why this would suprise anyone.  Of course there's going be another Smash Bros with the new generation but why should nintendo stop there?  Why not an 3DS version as well?  Think it's about time for it to hit the portable scene.

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Post by: Kytim89 on May 24, 2011, 02:36:14 AM
The sales of SSF4 3D seems to indicate to me that a portable Smash Brothers might be what the 3DS needs to give it a sales jump (and a price drop ;) ).
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 24, 2011, 02:56:30 AM
Something as big as Smash Bros. would really help push 3DS hardware. I'm not sure if it could be considered a killer app, but it would help a lot.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 24, 2011, 03:14:04 AM
With a Mario Kart and a Mario Platformer coming out on the 3DS this fall, the 3DS future will be just fine. Because of this though, there won't be a Mario Kart or Mario Platformer ready for the Cafe until at least 2013.  This is why the next Smash Bros will more than likely be for the Cafe in 2012 because that's the system that will need it more.
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Post by: Silenced on May 24, 2011, 09:30:50 AM
I forgot about tripping. I lost SO many matches because my character fell over. I guess it was to add a sort of "realistic" feeling, since people trip in real life, but not ALL THE TIME and especially not during a fight unless the opponent makes them.

A portable Smash was being thought of a while ago I believe, but the idea was scrapped. That's just a rumor I heard. If other fighting games that are portable are bringing in good profit, Nintendo might develop an SSB for the 3DS.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 24, 2011, 09:41:03 AM
They could probably very easily just take either Brawl or Melee and do a few tweaks and then port it over to the 3DS. Its not like they have to completely remake the game from scratch in order to get it on the 3DS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2011, 10:59:15 AM
I'm sure there is a NSMB Café being developed with 4 player and personal screen separation like 4swords. NSMB made a bigger splash than any 3D Mario and Nintendo wants to come out swinging, so the NSMB route would be the best one to take at launch.
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Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2011, 11:24:38 AM
@The Unagi - I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I didn't mention graphics or online in my previous post. Considering I rarely play online games, I would most certainly not buy "Melee Online" even with sharper graphics, especially since Nintendo would most likely charge full price for it. I don't typically buy rereleases unless I'm given something I want. Better graphics and online do not cut it. I'm a value-seeker (cheap), first and foremost. I'm just supporting blatant consumerism. Brawl was loaded with new content that in hindsight wasn't all that interesting or just plain awful. I admit to having buyers remorse despite how excited I was for Brawl. You're right, that's my "fault" for buying the game if you want to put it in such terms but that wasn't really the point.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 24, 2011, 12:13:37 PM
Tripping exists for the same reason that the guys in last place in Mario Kart get all the good items while the guys in first get squat.  Nintendo thinks that adding random elements that more or less punish skill makes their games more accessible because beginners can win by fluking out.  That is their idea of "balance".

My reaction to seeing this thread was "meh".  I feel the same way about Mario Kart.  These multiplayer focused franchises don't keep my interest because the experience is very similar each game.  Single player games benefit from new levels.  Usually there is one title in a series that just grabs the attention of my friends and I and then the sequels just can't recapture the magic.  Melee was that game for us.  Brawl just felt like too much of the same.  I'm SSBed out.  So for me to care about this one is has to do something different.  More than four characters at once would probably do it.
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Post by: Silenced on May 24, 2011, 01:37:40 PM
I do agree that Melee is a great game, and in my opinion, better than Brawl. The high-speed action of Melee and simple (but nice) singleplayer was very well down. Brawl seemed to slow, the story was awful (the only way to interpret most of it is using your "imagination") and the extras (i.e. the Stage Builder) weren't that nice and seemed just like filler.

What I was thinking about was a better Wi-Fi. There can be different games to choose from, like first-person shooters (like Stock Battle, Timed Battle, Coin Battle, etc.) or at least have the party leader be able to change the options instead of regular 2 min. Brawl. Hopefuly that awful lag will be fixed as well.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 24, 2011, 03:49:15 PM
Brawl was loaded with new content that in hindsight wasn't all that interesting or just plain awful. I admit to having buyers remorse despite how excited I was for Brawl. You're right, that's my "fault" for buying the game if you want to put it in such terms but that wasn't really the point.

Brawl just felt like too much of the same.  I'm SSBed out.  So for me to care about this one is has to do something different.  More than four characters at once would probably do it.

So adding 17 new characters that weren't in Melee, with 15 of them having completely unique movesets that don't exist in Melee, is too much of the same?  All other high profile fighting series are lucky if they even add 3 extra characters between each new installment, and only in rare occasions to you get something as high as 10, but hardly anything as close to 17.

Give me a break.  The whole point of Smash Bros is to be a party fighting game that everyone can enjoy where people can play as iconic Nintendo characters with now some third party characters as well.  The whole selling point for these games is the new characters that people will be able to play as and Brawl added 17 of them over Melee.  If that wasn't enough for some of you then you'll never be happy with anything in life since Brawl already went above and beyond what it was suppose to for the type of game is it.
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Post by: Ceric on May 24, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
Brawl was loaded with new content that in hindsight wasn't all that interesting or just plain awful. I admit to having buyers remorse despite how excited I was for Brawl. You're right, that's my "fault" for buying the game if you want to put it in such terms but that wasn't really the point.

Brawl just felt like too much of the same.  I'm SSBed out.  So for me to care about this one is has to do something different.  More than four characters at once would probably do it.

So adding 17 new characters that weren't in Melee, with 15 of them having completely unique movesets that don't exist in Melee, is too much of the same?  All other high profile fighting series are lucky if they even add 3 extra characters between each new installment, and only in rare occasions to you get something as high as 10, but hardly anything as close to 17.

Give me a break.  The whole point of Smash Bros is to be a party fighting game that everyone can enjoy where people can play as iconic Nintendo characters with now some third party characters as well.  The whole selling point for these games is the new characters that people will be able to play as and Brawl added 17 of them over Melee.  If that wasn't enough for some of you then you'll never be happy with anything in life since Brawl already went above and beyond what it was suppose to for the type of game is it.
If it was Melee with 17 more characters and a few new modes, stages, and items.  We wouldn't be having this discussion but its not.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 24, 2011, 05:46:15 PM
Yeah, I was fine with the amount of content in SSBBrawl. It's the content itself I didn't like.
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Post by: Ceric on May 24, 2011, 06:06:27 PM
On paper the single player story mode in Brawl sounded awesome but in actuality it wasn't as good as the others.  Thinking back maybe Brawl tried to be its own unique game with Nintendo characters more than it should of.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 24, 2011, 06:59:49 PM
Quote
So adding 17 new characters that weren't in Melee, with 15 of them having completely unique movesets that don't exist in Melee, is too much of the same?  All other high profile fighting series are lucky if they even add 3 extra characters between each new installment, and only in rare occasions to you get something as high as 10, but hardly anything as close to 17.

The gameplay though is still largely the same.  Me and three friends beat the crap out of each other with Nintendo characters.  We played that in Melee until we got bored of it.  The extra characters of Brawl freshened things up for a bit but eventually the novelty wore off.  It's just a law of diminishing returns.  Mario Kart has new tracks every time but I find each game has less of a shelf life with my friends.  I think it's because at first the content AND the gameplay is new and exciting but in sequels there is less and less new gameplay and the content makes up the bulk of the new stuff.
 
If it's good enough for you then enjoy it.  I'm not suggesting they stop making SSB games or anything.  I'm just bored of them and throwing in a bunch of new characters isn't going to change that.
 
I don't get bored of single player series as quickly and I think a big part of that is that the journey in the game itself is part of the hook.  New content involves new areas to discover.  The journey continues to somewhere new.  Multiplayer games usually have no real journey aside from unlocking stuff and usually rely on the thrill of the gameplay itself as the hook.  To me, new characters in a fighting game, is like new power-ups and enemies in a single player game.  You want those in a sequel but if those were it it wouldn't hold your attention long.
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Post by: Dasmos on May 24, 2011, 07:37:48 PM
Ugh, every Smash Bros. thread derails into the same tired arguments and people thrashing about their useless opinions.
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Post by: King of Twitch on May 24, 2011, 07:58:24 PM
Why is it called smash brothers if they let girls into it?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 24, 2011, 08:01:39 PM
Ugh, every Smash Bros. thread derails into the same tired arguments and people thrashing about their useless opinions.

Dasmos raises a good point: you do all suck at this.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 24, 2011, 08:02:51 PM
But that's exactly what a forum is for!
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 24, 2011, 08:05:23 PM
Not this one. From this point forward, any discussion that Dasmos finds unacceptable is strictly prohibited. Unless I say otherwise.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 24, 2011, 08:13:00 PM
How can we discuss the next Smash Brothers game if we can't talk about what we want to see in it?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 24, 2011, 08:14:16 PM
You're going to have to work that out with Dasmos.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2011, 08:14:50 PM
Be creative.... talk about what you don't want to see in it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 24, 2011, 08:19:55 PM
You're just not allowed to discuss anything that's ever been argued before or express any useless opinions. Anything else is fair game, until he says otherwise.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 24, 2011, 09:01:35 PM
Why is it called smash brothers if they let girls into it?

Good point. I think that was also one of the main reasons why Nintendo decided to ultimately drop the Gameboy brand name.

The franchise should be renamed "Smash Siblings". That way it would be gender neutral.
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Post by: Ceric on May 24, 2011, 09:21:26 PM
You're just not allowed to discuss anything that's ever been argued before or express any useless opinions. Anything else is fair game, until he says otherwise.
Wait... You had banned Game Discussion because it was to close to religion but, I guess its now ok.  Dasmos hasn't said anything about the banned topics.
Why is it called smash brothers if they let girls into it?

Good point. I think that was also one of the main reasons why Nintendo decided to ultimately drop the Gameboy brand name.

The franchise should be renamed "Smash Siblings". That way it would be gender neutral.
Smash Bros.  like Homie.  If it was Smash Siblings they all be related because their is no generic organizational form of Siblings so, that would mean their is a lot of incest in Nintendoland.  Could be Smash Comrades, Smash People, or just Super Smash.  Like Pizza Hut was The Hut or Radio Shack was The Shack.
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Post by: lolmonade on May 24, 2011, 09:23:57 PM
Smash Bros.  like Homie.  If it was Smash Siblings they all be related because their is no generic organizational form of Siblings so, that would mean their is a lot of incest in Nintendoland.  Could be Smash Comrades, Smash People, or just Super Smash.  Like Pizza Hut was The Hut or Radio Shack was The Shack.

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn290/sargentxillian/Glorious_exposition_comrade.jpg)
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Post by: ThePerm on May 24, 2011, 10:02:33 PM
im going to call shenanigans if they don't have more varied costume variations, color swaping is bullshit. I wanted this feature when brawl was in development.  Also for 3ds i wouldnt expect a price drop till winter or next spring
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Post by: Retro Deckades on May 25, 2011, 02:53:40 AM
What would get me most excites for the next installment in this franchise is if Nintendo made a significant effort to include more third-party characters. If they really are trying to mend fences with third parties, why not extend them the offer while they're at it?
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Post by: GearBoxClock on May 25, 2011, 08:12:16 AM
Duke Nukem confirmed as playable in SSB4?
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Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2011, 09:15:57 AM
Duke Nukem confirmed as playable in SSB4?
Developement time has been extended 15 years to perfect the model and voice acting.
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Post by: Stogi on May 25, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
I'd like to see custom characters. I wonder what version of "Mii" the Cafe will have. Let me give him a bat and hockey mask so I can go around beating peoples asses like Casey Jones.
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Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2011, 03:02:13 PM
I'd like to see custom characters. I wonder what version of "Mii" the Cafe will have. Let me give him a bat and hockey mask so I can go around beating peoples asses like Casey Jones.
I was sort of Surprised the Mii's didn't make it into Brawl somehow.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 25, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
It would be interesting for everyone on this forum to have their Miis fight it out over the internet.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 25, 2011, 05:16:58 PM
My guess on playable characters is several of the Assist Trophies from Brawl will be playable characters this time.  Since Sakarai said some of the Assist Trophies were based off of heavily requested characters that didn't make the final cut, I'd imagine several of them will make the cut this time.

For one, I'd say Little Mac is 100% guaranteed this time.  He was heavily requested for Brawl, got an Assist Trophy, and his series was recently revived and it sold quite well.  So when all of this is put together, he's the one character I expect to be 100% in.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he's included in the first trailer that will hopefully be shown at E3.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 25, 2011, 05:26:51 PM
Here is a list of characters that should be in the next SSB game:
 
Classic Megaman and Megaman X
Classic Sonic and moder Sonic
Jack from Madworld
Travis Touchdown
The Swordsman from Red Steel 2
Kisuke and Momohime from Muramasa
Skyward Sword Link
 
Lagiacrus from Monster Hunter 3 should make some kind of appearance as well.
 
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 25, 2011, 05:27:20 PM
Little Mac of course! I know Dixie will be in the game since her code was in Brawl and for goodness sake if you can grow Olimar shrink Ridley!
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 25, 2011, 05:29:12 PM
Sparkster from Rocket Knight and Shinobi.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 25, 2011, 06:02:31 PM
Who the **** is Travis Touchdown and why should his no-name ass be in SSB?

Sonic and Solid Snake are videogame icons.  Any other third party characters in SSB should also be icons.  Mad World and Red Steel 2 are not in any way shape or form iconic videogames with iconic characters.  While I would consider any Nintendo character to be fair game the third party inclusions should be like a videogame hall of fame where only the best of the best get in.

Considering it's a Japanese game I highly doubt American third party characters would be included.  NCL probably wouldn't know or care who they are.

For Capcom Mega Man is the obvious choice though it would be kind of interesting to have a fighting game character like Ryu in it.  Konami already has Snake and I think Simon Belmont or Alucard or some Castlevania character would be the next logical choice.  Hell, why not Dracula himself?  I figure Pac-Man would be a given if Namco was involved.
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Post by: Stogi on May 25, 2011, 06:27:24 PM
I think Nintendo has enough characters and IPs that they could find all the fighters they would ever need. It seems like such a ploy to add 3rd party characters.
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Post by: alegoicoe on May 25, 2011, 07:10:44 PM
we probably going to see SSB, mario kart, and a new mario in the works for nintendo's next console.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 25, 2011, 08:17:21 PM
I kind of wonder if part of the reason the Mii isn't playable in Smash Brothers is because of how violent the game is in relation to the typical games the Miis appear in. I can see Nintendo being worried about a possible controversy over it.

Who the **** is Travis Touchdown and why should his no-name ass be in SSB?
He's the star of No More Heroes 1 and 2 for Wii.
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Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2011, 08:33:57 PM
Wow, for someone who's always complaining about the Wii's 3rd party support, you skipped one of the best 3rd party games this generation across all platforms.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 25, 2011, 08:42:04 PM
Wow, for someone who's always complaining about the Wii's 3rd party support, you skipped one of the best 3rd party games this generation across all platforms.

What would that be?
 
Also, I expect a new Starfox,  F-Zero, Animal Crossing and Pikmen 3 as Nintendo's launch titles for the Super Wii. Nintendo will also use the new SSB as a way of showing off all their IPs in high definition and they will not mention a new console Mario game until about a year after Mario 3DS has had enough time to settle into the market. The reason for this is the sales of the 3DS system seems to me that Nintendo will use the title to spur sales for the 3DS. Lastly, a Galaxy 3 launch title is not out of the question, however.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 25, 2011, 08:52:36 PM
Ian Sane probably didn't skip that game.  He was making a point.  The character even though he is in a good game, doesn't deserve to be in Smash Brothers.

I want characters 3rd party characters that are iconic of Nintendo...characters you would still think Nintendo first.  Mega Man, Simon Belmont are great examples.  I also want a villain from each series and LESS Star Fox characters.  Geez.

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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 25, 2011, 09:04:39 PM
I would say Sonic should be added, but seeing how Sega refused to bring Generations to the Wii maybe Sega isn't enough of a friend to Nintendo for that.
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Post by: Dasmos on May 25, 2011, 09:10:01 PM
Not this one. From this point forward, any discussion that Dasmos finds unacceptable is strictly prohibited. Unless I say otherwise.

This pleases me, Dasmos.

You're just not allowed to discuss anything that's ever been argued before or express any useless opinions. Anything else is fair game, until he says otherwise.
Wait... You had banned Game Discussion because it was to close to religion but, I guess its now ok.  Dasmos hasn't said anything about the banned topics.

No religion & politics, but please feel free to discuss sexuality until you're white in the face.

Here is a list of characters that should be in the next SSB game:
 
Classic Megaman and Megaman X
Classic Sonic and moder Sonic
Jack from Madworld
Travis Touchdown
The Swordsman from Red Steel 2
Kisuke and Momohime from Muramasa
Skyward Sword Link
 
Lagiacrus from Monster Hunter 3 should make some kind of appearance as well.
 

No really really stupid character suggestions.
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Post by: lolmonade on May 25, 2011, 09:53:02 PM
Here is a list of characters that should be in the next SSB game:
 
Classic Megaman and Megaman X
Classic Sonic and moder Sonic
Jack from Madworld
Travis Touchdown
The Swordsman from Red Steel 2
Kisuke and Momohime from Muramasa
Skyward Sword Link
 
Lagiacrus from Monster Hunter 3 should make some kind of appearance as well.

Characters that should be in the game, or that you wish would be in the game?

I think it's the general consensus that Megaman is the biggest name on the wishlist.  I think adding that many 3rd party characters would cheapen the novelty of having them in the first place.  Having Sonic & Snake in Brawl was such a cool thing because they were a few special additions. 

Other than Megaman, I would also be good with Viewtiful Joe, or maybe even something like Haggar from the Final Fight games could be potential fun.
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Post by: Dasmos on May 25, 2011, 10:06:32 PM
No really really stupid character suggestions.
something like Haggar from the Final Fight games could be potential fun.

Oh man, what did I just say?
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Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2011, 10:19:23 PM
We all know that it will be Capcom Vs Smash Bros.  This is all in setup for Capcom Vs Namco Vs SNK VS Smash VS Cartoon Network VS Team Ninja VS Marvel VS DC VS Whoever else has ever had a fighter or a character that might be capable.
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Post by: Stogi on May 25, 2011, 10:22:59 PM
I agree that there should be more enemies. The problem with that though is most franchises don't have iconic enemies. That's why we got King Dedede, Bowser, and Ganondorf. If there are more that are just as iconic (other than Ridley who is way too big), I'd like to hear them.
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Post by: lolmonade on May 25, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
No really really stupid character suggestions.
something like Haggar from the Final Fight games could be potential fun.

Oh man, what did I just say?

Look, I figured since his list was a bit of sillyness, I'd delve into the no f'ing possible way tier of potential Brawl characters.  But good job with the snark.  You've really contributed a lot, troll.
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Post by: Dasmos on May 25, 2011, 10:37:46 PM
I contribute the most by not contributing. Trust me.
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Post by: Stogi on May 25, 2011, 10:38:59 PM
Easy girls. No need to sharpen them claws.

I wonder what an AR Smash Bros. would look like? It'd probably only be able to work best with two players dueling it out, but it would be cool nonetheless. Especially if you could build your own stages with tissue boxes and coffee mugs.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 25, 2011, 10:53:13 PM
If No More Heroes was still an exclusive series, then Travis Touchdown's appearance would be more welcome, from me at least. Though I see Ian's point. 3rd party character's need to carry some weight, if they're to be included. My only question is if the philosophy of "they have to come to us" will carry on through the development of SSB4. If not, then we can probably expect more of the same. If not, the question becomes who does Nintendo go for?
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Post by: Ceric on May 25, 2011, 11:01:25 PM
If No More Heroes was still an exclusive series, then Travis Touchdown's appearance would be more welcome, from me at least. Though I see Ian's point. 3rd party character's need to carry some weight, if they're to be included. My only question is if the philosophy of "they have to come to us" will carry on through the development of SSB4. If not, then we can probably expect more of the same. If not, the question becomes who does Nintendo go for?
Travis Touchdown could be a trophy.  Maybe even an assist.  Thats as far as he should be taken but I do think it wouldn't be unreasonable for that much.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 25, 2011, 11:07:34 PM
I think L-Block from Tetris should be a playable character.
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Post by: ymeegod on May 25, 2011, 11:24:48 PM
Why not Travis?  They included Snake who's MIA on nintendo's console for how long?  Sure there's the remake and that sold just as poorly as NMH.

No sense to crap on someone's wish list.  Me, I think Nintendo should include more 3rd party characters.  Maybe take one character from all the major publishers to show some support.
 


 
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 25, 2011, 11:38:03 PM
My Dream List of First-Party Smash Bros. Characters:

• The dude from Urban Champion
• Toadette
• Louie from Pikmin 2
• Baby Donkey Kong
• Lemmy Koopa
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Post by: Toruresu on May 25, 2011, 11:39:52 PM
How about a 2D sprite Mario?
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Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2011, 11:59:02 PM
I think L-Block from Tetris should be a playable character.
No, that's silliness. The I block was the money block. If any Tetris character makes the cut, it should be the I block.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 26, 2011, 12:12:14 AM
I think L-Block from Tetris should be a playable character.
No, that's silliness. The I block was the money block. If any Tetris character makes the cut, it should be the I block.

The sqaure block is what should be available.
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Post by: Dasmos on May 26, 2011, 12:27:25 AM
I wish I could "block" all of you from making anymore silly suggestions.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 26, 2011, 12:42:15 AM
But the polls show that the L-Block is the most popular, so even though the I-Block is more useful, it'll be the L-Block who makes the cut.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on May 26, 2011, 01:09:05 AM
I also agree that the characters should have some sort of cache or legacy.

Mega Man w/ Rush assist trophy
Belmont v. Dracula
Possibly even Pac-man, if he could be given a moveset.
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2011, 09:32:06 AM
Why not Travis?  They included Snake who's MIA on nintendo's console for how long?  Sure there's the remake and that sold just as poorly as NMH.

No sense to crap on someone's wish list.  Me, I think Nintendo should include more 3rd party characters.  Maybe take one character from all the major publishers to show some support. 
To tell you the Truth Snake is a kick in the pants as well.  When I think of him I think Playstation.  Its like putting Bandicoot, Jak and Dexter, Ratchet and Clank, etc. into Smash.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on May 26, 2011, 10:00:14 AM
To tell you the Truth Snake is a kick in the pants as well.  When I think of him I think Playstation.

This is unfortunate, because he was on Nintendo consoles long before he was on Sony consoles. His popularity just didn't explode until the Sony years.

I'm also thinking that the next Smash Bros. game could go a long way in pleasing the masses by incorporating a speed customizer.
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2011, 10:03:20 AM
To tell you the Truth Snake is a kick in the pants as well.  When I think of him I think Playstation.

This is unfortunate, because he was on Nintendo consoles long before he was on Sony consoles. His popularity just didn't explode until the Sony years.

I'm also thinking that the next Smash Bros. game could go a long way in pleasing the masses by incorporating a speed customizer.
I acknowledge that to be true but, its an obscure reference now.  Its like finding out that X favorite actor use to be a minor Mouseketeer.
 
Here is a link to a table showing the chronology of the game but it also shows the systems they were available for. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_(series)#Chronology)  The only platform you can play every single one of the games is Sony's and he had 1 NES and GCN appearance with a 3DS one on the way which is a port.  If a majority of the games, like Mega Man, was on the NES this would be a different discussion.
 
Also if I'm reading the history right the NES version was a port from the MSX2, pretty much PC, where it was first released.  Effectively Snake has never had an original game on a Nintendo system.  They were all Ports.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 26, 2011, 01:28:24 PM
Me, I think Nintendo should include more 3rd party characters.  Maybe take one character from all the major publishers to show some support.

This could be a good idea to lure 3rd party characters. If Nintendo puts in a character from a major 3rd party, that's instant publicity for that character/franchise. Even characters that haven't had their own game in a while (like Viewtiful Joe) would be getting some significant mindshare just from being in Smash Bros. The only flaw is that the 3rd party would have to have a game for that character in the works for Cafe for them to really take advantage.
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2011, 01:37:09 PM
Me, I think Nintendo should include more 3rd party characters.  Maybe take one character from all the major publishers to show some support.

This could be a good idea to lure 3rd party characters. If Nintendo puts in a character from a major 3rd party, that's instant publicity for that character/franchise. Even characters that haven't had their own game in a while (like Viewtiful Joe) would be getting some significant mindshare just from being in Smash Bros. The only flaw is that the 3rd party would have to have a game for that character in the works for Cafe for them to really take advantage.
Viewtiful Joe.  Now their is a character I could get behind because he Started on Nintendo, all his games (From what I can tell), were released on Nintendo first.  Also relatively obscure.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2011, 01:45:55 PM
Megaman( w/ Rush being his way of returning to the platform), Viewtiful Joe & Bomberman should all be in the next Smash Bros.
Sonic should also return with Tails this time

maybe Spyro the dragon should also join.
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2011, 01:48:01 PM
Megaman( w/ Rush being his way of returning to the platform), Viewtiful Joe & Bomberman should all be in the next Smash Bros.
Sonic should also return with Tails this time

maybe Spyro the dragon should also join.
Spyro brand is very tied to Playstation name from his earlier exploits.  I honestly thought he was a Sony brand like Ratchet and Clank when those games were out.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 26, 2011, 01:52:42 PM
Megaman( w/ Rush being his way of returning to the platform), Viewtiful Joe & Bomberman should all be in the next Smash Bros.
Sonic should also return with Tails this time

maybe Spyro the dragon should also join.

Do not forget Knuckles and Shadow. While you are at it include Terry Bogart from the King of Fighters series. Bonk aswell.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 26, 2011, 02:06:34 PM
Megaman( w/ Rush being his way of returning to the platform), Viewtiful Joe & Bomberman should all be in the next Smash Bros.
Sonic should also return with Tails this time

maybe Spyro the dragon should also join.

Do not forget Knuckles and Shadow. While you are at it include Terry Bogart from the King of Fighters series. Bonk aswell.

Why oh why oh why?!?!?!

Tails, Ridley, Dixie, Little Mac, Mewtwo, new costumes, at least 1/4th of the 40 plus stages that can be used for "neutral ground" tourny like matches.

If someone breaks the game and discovers infinites or if there is true chain grabbing once again I think there should be some kind of "get out of the continuous hold button" or after 2 consecutive throws maybe you can't use it again until you use a normal or special attack. I don't understand how Sakurai's group did not weed those things out before the game was released.

Less story mode, more focus on the multiplayer aspect. I wonder if they pay attention to the competetive folks? They must know there are some major differences in power between certain characters. Changing up some hit stun, knock back, and damage could go such a long way.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on May 26, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
I acknowledge that to be true but, its an obscure reference now.  Its like finding out that X favorite actor use to be a minor Mouseketeer.
 
Here is a link to a table showing the chronology of the game but it also shows the systems they were available for. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_(series)#Chronology)  The only platform you can play every single one of the games is Sony's and he had 1 NES and GCN appearance with a 3DS one on the way which is a port.  If a majority of the games, like Mega Man, was on the NES this would be a different discussion.
 
Also if I'm reading the history right the NES version was a port from the MSX2, pretty much PC, where it was first released.  Effectively Snake has never had an original game on a Nintendo system.  They were all Ports.

Don't forget Snake's Revenge for the NES, and the fantastic Metal Gear Solid GBC game.
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2011, 02:19:16 PM
I acknowledge that to be true but, its an obscure reference now.  Its like finding out that X favorite actor use to be a minor Mouseketeer.
 
Here is a link to a table showing the chronology of the game but it also shows the systems they were available for. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_(series)#Chronology)  The only platform you can play every single one of the games is Sony's and he had 1 NES and GCN appearance with a 3DS one on the way which is a port.  If a majority of the games, like Mega Man, was on the NES this would be a different discussion.
 
Also if I'm reading the history right the NES version was a port from the MSX2, pretty much PC, where it was first released.  Effectively Snake has never had an original game on a Nintendo system.  They were all Ports.

Don't forget Snake's Revenge for the NES, and the fantastic Metal Gear Solid GBC game.
Did not know about them.  So 2 games that didn't get ported.
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Post by: GearBoxClock on May 26, 2011, 02:26:47 PM
Balance patches are a must. Also, more characters like Captain Rainbow, Birdo and Bowser jr
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2011, 02:32:06 PM
Balance patches are a must. Also, more characters like Captain Rainbow, Birdo and Bowser jr
No Just No.  IF I could expunge that Character from the Space time Continuum I would.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 26, 2011, 03:10:00 PM
Leon Kennedy from Resident Evil 4 would make a good addition to the SSB series.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 26, 2011, 03:34:45 PM
I don't think any one 3rd party franchise should have more than two representatives. I only say 2 because I would like to see Tails playable. I think there's such a thing as over representation. This isn't a Capcom VS game.
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2011, 04:24:37 PM
I don't think any one 3rd party franchise should have more than two representatives. I only say 2 because I would like to see Tails playable. I think there's such a thing as over representation. This isn't a Capcom VS game.
...Yet
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Post by: Mop it up on May 26, 2011, 06:31:42 PM
Looking at all the third-party characters people are suggesting, Nintendo should make a separate "Nintendo vs. Third-Parties" edition of Smash Brothers, and keep the main series about Nintendo franchises. It's starting to get way too crowded.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 26, 2011, 06:34:32 PM
I don't think that's necessary. There have been a lot of suggestions, but not many that Nintendo would actually consider. Basically any additions beside Mega Man and maybe Simon Belmont and Pac Man are very unlikely.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 26, 2011, 06:36:44 PM
I think Bomberman is more likely than Simon and Pac-Man, since he's been mostly on Nintendo systems, would fit in better than Simon, and would be easier to create a moveset for than Pac-Man. Still, I don't want to see any characters and the only way to ensure that is to shove them into a different game.
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Post by: blackfootsteps on May 26, 2011, 06:54:45 PM
2 different games = 2 different online multiplayer userbases.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 26, 2011, 08:41:11 PM
I would love Bomberman, and he would have a very unique move set.  He is more of a trap player...  Though I could see him being able to survive his own bombs...for a cool UP B...bomb blast. 
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 26, 2011, 09:16:18 PM
Perhaps not Bowser, jr. But how about the Koopa Kids? Wendy, Ludwig, and I forget the others. You don't see them anymore. Its like Nintendo dropped them out of the cannon. I guess that is Bowser, jr's fault. Maybe he ate them all or soemthing...
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Post by: Dasmos on May 26, 2011, 09:18:27 PM
Perhaps not Bowser, jr. But how about the Koopa Kids? Wendy, Ludwig, and I forget the others. You don't see them anymore. Its like Nintendo dropped them out of the cannon. I guess that is Bowser, jr's fault. Maybe he ate them all or soemthing...

Someone hasn't played NSMBWii.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 26, 2011, 10:21:52 PM
I think 2 of the Bowser kids would be cool.  Or even something like Pokemon where you have 3 different Bowser kids with different move swaps.

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2011, 10:24:32 PM
Perhaps not Bowser, jr. But how about the Koopa Kids? Wendy, Ludwig, and I forget the others. You don't see them anymore. Its like Nintendo dropped them out of the cannon. I guess that is Bowser, jr's fault. Maybe he ate them all or soemthing...

He absorbed them all like Majin Boo.
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Post by: Ceric on May 26, 2011, 11:45:17 PM
I'm glad the Koopa Kids are back.  Now they need to take Bowser Jr. Right out of Existances because the Koopa Kid's are such better characters.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2011, 12:42:14 PM
The Koopa Kids would be a great Assist Trophy. Like, if they all just popped out, danced around a bit, and then attacked random players.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 27, 2011, 01:59:26 PM
I wonder if the development team will be as ambitious about the music as Brawl was. Werent there over 300 songs? I just can't ever imagine that kind of thing happening again on an equal or greater level. Some amazing songs came out of that game, that Tetris A them was epic.

I don't know if anyone remembers but the game code containing Plusle and Minum as team characters, Toon Zelda/Shiek, Dixie Kong, and Mewtwo were in the game. I really wouldn't mind a representative from more generations of pokemon than the 1st and last, but double teaming electric mice sound like double Pikachu's and if they do get placed into the game I hope its not at the cost of another completely new character. Same goes for Toon Zelda, there has got to be more deserving characters that are not Link or Zelda in any human form.

As for Ridley, all he needs to be is a Charizard that is slightly bigger. Bowser is huge in Brawl and I don't see why Ridley couldn't be that size with wings folded.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 27, 2011, 03:19:45 PM
I wonder if the development team will be as ambitious about the music as Brawl was. Werent there over 300 songs? I just can't ever imagine that kind of thing happening again on an equal or greater level. Some amazing songs came out of that game, that Tetris A them was epic.

Well if Sakurai is still in charge which I'd imagine he is, it should since it was his idea to get over 30 different composers to compose the music which lead to such an amazing amount of song with great variety.  I'd imagine he would want to do the same thing for the next Smash Bros as well.

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I don't know if anyone remembers but the game code containing Plusle and Minum as team characters, Toon Zelda/Shiek, Dixie Kong, and Mewtwo were in the game. I really wouldn't mind a representative from more generations of pokemon than the 1st and last, but double teaming electric mice sound like double Pikachu's and if they do get placed into the game I hope its not at the cost of another completely new character. Same goes for Toon Zelda, there has got to be more deserving characters that are not Link or Zelda in any human form.

The only character from Brawls code that I think stand a chance of being in the next Smash Bros is Dixie Kong and Toon Zelda.  Any new Pokemon will be from the most recent one Black and White, so I doubt they'd still use Plusle and Minum.  I doubt Mewtwo will return since Lucario pretty much took his spot and Lucario will more then likely be replaced by Zoroark.  If Mewtwo was to return, then they'd also have to keep Lucario as well as add Zoroark.  Plus since I'd imagine they might want to add a Female Pokemon Trainer who uses more modern Pokemon, I think Mewtwo and Lucario will both be gone too make sure Pokemon doesn't completely dominate the number of playable characters.

If they use Toon Zelda though, I'd hope they don't use Toon Shiek and instead make her transform into a Phantom from Spirit Tracks.  Anyone who's played Spirit Tracks would know that all the different Phantom armors that Zelda's spirit can posses in that game would offer a wide variety of movesets to use.  That would be a good way to differ Toon Zelda from normal Zelda.  Normal Zelda transforms into a fast and agile character, while Toon Zelda would transform into a slow and powerful character.

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As for Ridley, all he needs to be is a Charizard that is slightly bigger. Bowser is huge in Brawl and I don't see why Ridley couldn't be that size with wings folded.

I easily expect Ridley to be playable in the next Smash Bros.  Since he was one of Brawl's most requested characters that didn't become playabe, this pretty much guarantees he'll be playable in the next Smash Bros.  In comparison, Wario, King Dedede, Pokemon Trainer, Meta Knight and Diddy Kong were the most requested Melee characters that didn't make it into that game and they all became playable in the next Smash Bros.  So I'd say Ridley's chances are pretty good this time.
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Post by: King of Twitch on May 27, 2011, 03:53:22 PM
Man..

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Wario, King Dedede, Pokemon Trainer, Meta Knight and Diddy Kong

+ Sonic and Snake were some great additions to the series, I had a lot of fun trying out every single one of them. I don't understand the Brawl hate.

If they want to go a different direction the next time around to keep interest alive, has the forum already discussed chopping it back to only 8?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2011, 09:28:13 PM
What IGN hopes to see in the next Smash Bros
http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1171214p1.html
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And while I'm at it - No. More. Tripping.
more at the link
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Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
Tripping is the devil.

Edit: I also love the idea of Nintendo not telling us everything from the jump. I mean, the writer could've easily not clicked on the spoiler labelled images, but it'd be nice to not know things until after the game comes out. The only problem is that the internet will know everything in a matter of hours after the release.
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Post by: Oblivion on May 27, 2011, 10:40:48 PM
I loved tripping. Seeing as I always pwned the guy who tripped.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 27, 2011, 10:55:45 PM
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/uberdylan/Tripping.jpg)
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Post by: Oblivion on May 27, 2011, 11:01:55 PM
Meh. Tripping is fine. It doesn't happen very often. And when it does, you can actually use it to your advantage to avoid certain attacks.
 
You gotta use your imagination.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 28, 2011, 01:08:24 AM
Yeah the complaints about tripping are the biggest overreaction I've ever seen in gaming.  According to all the haters, you'd think tripping is something that happens ever 5 seconds and makes the game unplayable.  In reality though, tripping is something that usually only happens to each player once every few matches and rarely effects the overall outcome.  Plus it's a perfectly fair gameplay mechanic since all players have the same percentage chance of tripping.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 28, 2011, 01:28:34 AM
Tripping happens in real life, so I am fine with it being in games. It makes it more realistic.
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Post by: Caterkiller on May 28, 2011, 02:52:37 AM
IGN has been all about the bring back Brawl campaign lately, they must know of the existance of the new smash to get people talking before the reveal.
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Post by: broodwars on May 28, 2011, 03:00:22 AM
Looking at all the third-party characters people are suggesting, Nintendo should make a separate "Nintendo vs. Third-Parties" edition of Smash Brothers, and keep the main series about Nintendo franchises. It's starting to get way too crowded.

That was really my impression of Brawl: Nintendo should have kept the Smash Bros. series to 1st party Nintendo characters.  We certainly have enough of them already without diluting the series with gimmicky 3rd party characters.  If we're going to have 3rd party characters in these games, Nintendo might as well do it right and have a ton of them in their own Nintendo fighting game.

If Nintendo announces a new Smash Bros. for Cafe, I'll be content so long as they've learned from the mistakes of the Brawl fighting stages, which were pretty lame overall.  I'm happy with the widespread environmental carnage and rampant items (though the number of useless items really does need to be cut down), especially with the Smash Ball.  But the stages have to shine, and Brawl just didn't "Bring It" in that regard.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 28, 2011, 04:16:20 AM
They should make a Smash Bros. All Stars game which has every significant character from every significant Nintendo game ever made. I'm talking like on the order of 100 different characters or something, all with unique move sets. That would be awesome.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on May 28, 2011, 05:16:51 AM
They should make a Smash Bros. All Stars game which has every significant character from every significant Nintendo game ever made. I'm talking like on the order of 100 different characters or something, all with unique move sets. That would be awesome.

That would take about 10 years to make.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 28, 2011, 06:39:57 AM
Excited, I loved SSB:B, though I hope they eliminate the clone characters once and for all, especially if the characters are unrelated (Like Falcon and Ganondorf). This applies to the final smashes as well. Out of Melee and Brawl, I probably played Brawl the most, I enjoyed the slower pace. Too bad online was horrific and the single player wasn't much better.
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Post by: Adrock on May 28, 2011, 07:27:04 AM
Tripping happens in real life, so I am fine with it being in games. It makes it more realistic.
I play videogames because they're not realistic. Even games touted as realistic aren't realistic. Silencers don't quiet gunshots to whispers, guards don't forget a massive security breach by an unknown assailant occurred just because they couldn't find him after 30 seconds, Steve Nash doesn't dunk etc. If I wanted realism, I could join the Army or not be Steve Nash on my own time.

Tripping is annoying even if it didn't normally affect entire matches. I don't know about you, but I hate tripping in real-life. I don't want that shizzle in videogames. And nobody played the original or Melee and said, "Golly, I wish my character would trip for absolutely no reason whatsoever."
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 28, 2011, 08:14:05 AM
guards don't forget a massive security breach by an unknown assailant occurred just because they couldn't find him after 30 seconds

That happened on PSN.
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Post by: Retro Deckades on May 28, 2011, 10:59:44 AM
guards don't forget a massive security breach by an unknown assailant occurred just because they couldn't find him after 30 seconds

That happened on PSN.

BURN!
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Post by: Adrock on May 28, 2011, 02:34:56 PM
That happened on PSN.
I know you're joking, but considering that whole ordeal cost Sony over a billion dollars in damages, plus the drop in confidence from consumers and 3rd parties, I don't think Sony is forgetting about the PSN crash for quite some time.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2011, 02:39:56 PM
That happened on PSN.
I know you're joking, but considering that whole ordeal cost Sony over a billion dollars in damages, plus the drop in confidence from consumers and 3rd parties, I don't think Sony is forgetting about the PSN crash for quite some time.

But isn't the joke that Sony gave up on patching security even after being warned because they didn't find/see the immediate threat. That's what caused the whole crash in the first place.

lack of security and no steps taken to patch holes even though they knew they were vulnerable.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 28, 2011, 04:01:23 PM
They should make a Smash Bros. All Stars game which has every significant character from every significant Nintendo game ever made. I'm talking like on the order of 100 different characters or something, all with unique move sets. That would be awesome.

That would take about 10 years to make.
Not if it were the focus of development instead of an uninspired single player mode.
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Post by: Adrock on May 28, 2011, 06:06:56 PM
But isn't the joke that Sony gave up on patching security even after being warned because they didn't find/see the immediate threat. That's what caused the whole crash in the first place.

lack of security and no steps taken to patch holes even though they knew they were vulnerable.
One could argue that this whole thing started because Sony included the OtherOS feature in the first place which, once the dominos fell, apparently led to Anonymous or whatever hacker group bitchslapping PSN, supposedly as a response to Sony suing George Hotz aka PS3 Homebrew Hacker Jesus. Sony could have upped security and made things harder for hackers, but every server is vulnerable. Hackers will find exploits, they always do. Sony didn't forget that there was a problem, they decided it wasn't one worth spending millions fixing which, ironically and justifiably, may cost them billions. They were warned by the hackers and laughed it off (I'm sure every major corporation would have too). They won't ever make that mistake again... or at least I hope they won't. It amazes me that a throw away joke comment basically describing Metal Gear Solid's poor AI (*C4 explodes* "What was that noise? Must have been nothing.") can cause so much trouble.

To get back on topic, do you or don't you want tripping in Smash Bros? Most people who defend tripping point out that it's not that bad, but what good is it? Seems to be pissing off the majority of players. That sounds like a good enough reason to do away with it to me.
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Post by: Sarail on May 28, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
Absolutely. I'm anti-tripping. Take it out. Let my faults be my own during gameplay -- not some random AI moment. Bleh.
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Post by: broodwars on May 28, 2011, 09:26:14 PM
I don't really care one way or another regarding tripping.  It's just one more thing that adds to the chaos of a Smash Bros. match, and it rarely ever happened to me.
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Post by: Mop it up on May 28, 2011, 09:34:19 PM
I think the game is random enough without tripping. Though the simple solution here is a part of what made the first two games great: customization. Just make an option where you can turn off tripping.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 28, 2011, 11:56:28 PM
In the interest of compromise I say that tripping should be kept in but it should be made an even more rare occurrance. Like instead of it happening every 2 games, have it happen every 5 games or 10 games. Make it very rare.
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Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2011, 01:47:08 AM
I normally trip about once a match. I once tripped 3 times in a 5 stock match that lasted less than 4 minutes. The exception, not the rule though still profoundly annoying. If you want to talk about compromise, what about an option to turn it off like Mop it Up said? I can't imagine that would take terribly difficult to program.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 29, 2011, 03:38:23 AM
Mop It Up's suggestion sounds good to me. I also think in addition to being able to toggle it on or off you should also be able to set how rare or frequently it occurs.
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Post by: Ceric on May 29, 2011, 09:13:42 AM
Tripping should be recoverable.  So it be a little different for each character but if you are paying attention you should see your character start getting unsteady so you do a quick recovery and keep going.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 29, 2011, 01:11:35 PM
That would just create an even bigger barrier to entry for new players. Not only would they have to learn characters, items and stages, they now have "being able to adjust for random occurances" thrown in there. Experienced players would probably learn quickly, but new comers would be at even more of a disadvantage. Just one complexity too many.
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Post by: King of Twitch on May 29, 2011, 07:04:34 PM
I always play without tripping, it freaks me out otherwise.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: rad.i.kal on May 29, 2011, 07:54:35 PM
Seems like this would be plausible for 3ds or the new cafe. I would love to see a game that worked on both 3ds and on the latest nintendo console... perfection
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2011, 02:23:01 PM
If Super Smash Brothers does come out on the 3DS, I could see Nintendo implementing a augmented reality portion of the game where the player takes pictures of the environment and they become back grounds for battles. For example, take a picture of the seat of your couch and then have Mario and the other characters fight on your couch.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: broodwars on May 30, 2011, 02:43:30 PM
If Super Smash Brothers does come out on the 3DS, I could see Nintendo implementing a augmented reality portion of the game where the player takes pictures of the environment and they become back grounds for battles. For example, take a picture of the seat of your couch and then have Mario and the other characters fight on your couch.

No way Nintendo will do that.  Just consider all the explicit things you could take pictures of and possibly use as stages with people online or even offline.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 30, 2011, 03:00:59 PM
If Super Smash Brothers does come out on the 3DS, I could see Nintendo implementing a augmented reality portion of the game where the player takes pictures of the environment and they become back grounds for battles. For example, take a picture of the seat of your couch and then have Mario and the other characters fight on your couch.

No way Nintendo will do that.  Just consider all the explicit things you could take pictures of and possibly use as stages with people online or even offline.

Yeah, not only WOULD people be taking pictures of their private parts, they would probably be doing it frequently. That's the way many people are, and for that reason Nintendo can't allow it. Maybe it could be acceptable for offline mode, but that's it.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2011, 03:29:30 PM
Offline mode is what I had in mind. The thought of Mario fighting on someone's backside is just too damn funny!
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: broodwars on May 30, 2011, 03:56:34 PM
Offline mode is what I had in mind. The thought of Mario fighting on someone's backside is just too damn funny!

And it would be equally hilarious when Smash Bros. appeared in the news as part of a story about a pedophile who decided to show a kid their "Smash Bros. game" using their genitalia as a stage background over local Wi-Fi.  Sure, people can already do this with phones and cameras, but Nintendo wouldn't dare risk damage to their image and their brand with a feature like that.  It's not a bad idea, but I just don't see Nintendo taking that sort of risk in a brand so closely associated with official Nintendo mascots.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 30, 2011, 04:20:59 PM
Sorry, I know its wrong... but the thought of someone's genitalia being a stage background cracked me up.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2011, 04:51:59 PM
Offline mode is what I had in mind. The thought of Mario fighting on someone's backside is just too damn funny!

And it would be equally hilarious when Smash Bros. appeared in the news as part of a story about a pedophile who decided to show a kid their "Smash Bros. game" using their genitalia as a stage background over local Wi-Fi.  Sure, people can already do this with phones and cameras, but Nintendo wouldn't dare risk damage to their image and their brand with a feature like that.  It's not a bad idea, but I just don't see Nintendo taking that sort of risk in a brand so closely associated with official Nintendo mascots.

I never thought that all the way through.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Stogi on May 30, 2011, 06:07:37 PM
Look at you debby downers over. Sir Buzz Killington's.

Playing off a great set of boobies or an entire level filled with dog **** would be hysterical.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2011, 06:09:51 PM
And, in the case of the boobies, erotic!
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2011, 06:33:52 PM
I can easily imagine some character getting flung off the stage and into cleavage, which I will leave to everyone elses (gutterfied) imagination.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2011, 09:51:21 PM
It is ashamed that Battletoads is owned by Microsoft because having them in the next SSB would kick so much ass. The Ninja Turtles would also be a cool addition to the roster as well.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Dasmos on May 31, 2011, 02:26:55 AM
Hey Kytim, is 89 your IQ? You're hurting my head, please stop.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 31, 2011, 02:46:14 AM
Hey Kytim, is 89 your IQ? You're hurting my head, please stop.
I was playing a little bit of Battletoads in Battlemaniacs and thought that it would make a good addition to the SSB roster, but then reality dawned on me.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 31, 2011, 03:27:24 AM
Offline mode is what I had in mind. The thought of Mario fighting on someone's backside is just too damn funny!

And it would be equally hilarious when Smash Bros. appeared in the news as part of a story about a pedophile who decided to show a kid their "Smash Bros. game" using their genitalia as a stage background over local Wi-Fi.  Sure, people can already do this with phones and cameras, but Nintendo wouldn't dare risk damage to their image and their brand with a feature like that.  It's not a bad idea, but I just don't see Nintendo taking that sort of risk in a brand so closely associated with official Nintendo mascots.

After thinking about that a bit more I realized that while you do have a point, the fact of the matter is if a pedophile is close enough to a kid to show his genitalia in the game through local offline mode then he is also close enough to the kid where he doesn't really even need the game to show his genitalia (or do worse things than that even).

The bottom line is pedophiles need to be kept far away from children period. So with that said, maybe allowing it in local multiplayer isn't such a bad idea because if a pedophile is really in the same room as a kid then there are far worse things to worry about than what happens in a video game. Do you see what I'm saying?
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Stogi on May 31, 2011, 03:39:44 AM
I love how hated pedophiles are. They are the most hated people on earth unilaterally. It's pretty damn funny if you think about it.

I think if all our arguments started with "Hey, do you hate pedophiles?" we'd get a lot more done.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on May 31, 2011, 04:08:16 AM
Offline mode is what I had in mind. The thought of Mario fighting on someone's backside is just too damn funny!

And it would be equally hilarious when Smash Bros. appeared in the news as part of a story about a pedophile who decided to show a kid their "Smash Bros. game" using their genitalia as a stage background over local Wi-Fi.  Sure, people can already do this with phones and cameras, but Nintendo wouldn't dare risk damage to their image and their brand with a feature like that.  It's not a bad idea, but I just don't see Nintendo taking that sort of risk in a brand so closely associated with official Nintendo mascots.

After thinking about that a bit more I realized that while you do have a point, the fact of the matter is if a pedophile is close enough to a kid to show his genitalia in the game through local offline mode then he is also close enough to the kid where he doesn't really even need the game to show his genitalia (or do worse things than that even).

The bottom line is pedophiles need to be kept far away from children period. So with that said, maybe allowing it in local multiplayer isn't such a bad idea because if a pedophile is really in the same room as a kid then there are far worse things to worry about than what happens in a video game. Do you see what I'm saying?

Why should good and decent people be deprived of a creative way to experience a game? Hell, this might encourage me to go out and spotpass other 3DS systems.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Ceric on June 01, 2011, 11:44:54 PM
i just got through the first area of Super Princess Peach and I bought all here Umbrella moves at that point.  I have to say the next Smash should base Princess Peach totally off of that game and make the current Princess Peach move set go to Daisy with more of a Sports tweak to it because that always felt a little more Daisy-ish anyways.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Caterkiller on June 02, 2011, 01:22:17 AM
i just got through the first area of Super Princess Peach and I bought all here Umbrella moves at that point.  I have to say the next Smash should base Princess Peach totally off of that game and make the current Princess Peach move set go to Daisy with more of a Sports tweak to it because that always felt a little more Daisy-ish anyways.

Never thought of that! My brother kept saying Daisy should be in the game, and I kept telling him she would just be a peach clone! But now she can be a peach clone as long as Peach gets her SPP moves! Come on Smash developer make it happen!
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on June 03, 2011, 10:15:14 PM
The Mario side already has the most representatives so I don't really see any more from that series getting in. All the more reason I'd like to see franchise-specific versions of the game.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 03, 2011, 11:07:26 PM
The Mario side already has the most representatives so I don't really see any more from that series getting in. All the more reason I'd like to see franchise-specific versions of the game.

Actually Mario is tied with Zelda and Pokemon in terms of selectable characters on the select screen.  Of course if we start counting all playable characters in the game, Mario has the third most represented with 4 characters while Zelda has 5 and Pokemon has 6.  You have to remember that Wario, Yoshi, Donkey and Diddy Kong are considered parts of separate series, hence why they have different icons and victory themes then the main Mario characters.

This is why I image the main Mario series will get at least one new character added this time.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on June 03, 2011, 11:11:30 PM
They are all a part of the same franchise though, so I don't really see them adding more. We might see Dixie Kong or the return of Dr. Mario since they were apparently cut from SSBBrawl, but that'll be it from the Mario universe. Who else is really deserving of it anyway?
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 03, 2011, 11:43:24 PM
Who else is really deserving of it anyway?

How about Anthony Higgs from Metroid Other M? He deserves to be in Smash Bros. because if it weren't for him Samus would have been dead at least twice.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2011, 12:14:45 AM
In that case, Adam Malkovich should be in Smash Bros. so he can authorize Samus' use of the Wave Beam.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Shaymin on June 04, 2011, 12:16:31 AM
Adam should only be in as the replacement for Sandbag.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on June 04, 2011, 12:19:23 AM
I meant from the Mario franchise, but, uh, those suggestions work too.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2011, 12:25:09 AM
I was just joking (only Dark Samus and Ridley need be added from the Metroid series).

I'd want Daisy. Maybe Prince Peasley if only for his awesome taunt. In fact, Superstar Saga's cast was pretty strong. Throw Fawful in there as well. Man, I loved that game.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 04, 2011, 02:31:44 AM
For possible Mario characters my bets are on Bowser Jr, Daisey or Waluigi.  I mean, those are the three major characters that have appeared in all the Mario spinoff games since 2002 that haven't been playable in Smash Bros yet.  If there's going to be a new Mario character, it will be one of those 3.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Kytim89 on June 04, 2011, 02:58:50 AM
What about Fawful?
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 04, 2011, 08:53:47 AM
In that case, Adam Malkovich should be in Smash Bros. so he can authorize Samus' use of the Wave Beam.

The problem with that is Adam is dead.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2011, 09:21:40 AM
So?
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: the asylum on June 05, 2011, 04:10:12 AM
You know who would be an absolutley pimp addition to the roster? Ray MkIII from Custom Robo Arena. Or any other of the Ray models from the older games.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Sarail on June 05, 2011, 09:35:24 AM
You know who would be an absolutley pimp addition to the roster? Ray MkIII from Custom Robo Arena. Or any other of the Ray models from the older games.

This. Yes!  And also... Jill from Drill Dozer! She'd make a great addition, too!
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Tanookisuit on June 05, 2011, 11:09:17 AM
Agreed.  Jill would be great.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 06:12:36 PM
For possible Mario characters my bets are on Bowser Jr, Daisy or Waluigi.  I mean, those are the three major characters that have appeared in all the Mario spinoff games since 2002 that haven't been playable in Smash Bros yet.  If there's going to be a new Mario character, it will be one of those 3.
What makes them major characters? I mean, Waluigi hasn't even appeared in a mainline game in either the Mario or Wario series, he was created for a spin-off and appears only in spin-offs. They're certainly not on the same levels as the characters already in Smash Brothers, though Bowser Jr. might be close since he's become a recurring villain in Mario platformers. As for the other two, I'd argue that Toad is higher up than them. He's been around since the original Super Mario Brothers and has appeared in nearly every Mario game since, plus he's starred in his very own game before. That's more than I can say of the other three.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2011, 07:06:35 PM
Bowser Jr. probably has the best chance especially since he was pretty much the main villain in both Super Mario Sunshine and New Super Mario Bros. At the same time, Browser Jr. is fucking awful. I'd prefer Daisy though.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Dasmos on June 06, 2011, 07:37:15 PM
For possible Mario characters my bets are on Bowser Jr, Daisy or Waluigi.  I mean, those are the three major characters that have appeared in all the Mario spinoff games since 2002 that haven't been playable in Smash Bros yet.  If there's going to be a new Mario character, it will be one of those 3.
What makes them major characters? I mean, Waluigi hasn't even appeared in a mainline game in either the Mario or Wario series, he was created for a spin-off and appears only in spin-offs. They're certainly not on the same levels as the characters already in Smash Brothers, though Bowser Jr. might be close since he's become a recurring villain in Mario platformers. As for the other two, I'd argue that Toad is higher up than them. He's been around since the original Super Mario Brothers and has appeared in nearly every Mario game since, plus he's starred in his very own game before. That's more than I can say of the other three.

Ugh, Toad? Really? I couldn't think of a blander character choice. At least with Waluigi you know you're going to get a fun character to use. Just like ROB and G&W, these character additions don't really make a ton of sense, but they're fun and different additions to the roster. Toad would be as bland as Mii character, but without the idividuality.

I seriously don't get the Bowser Jr. hate, and I'd like to see him in the new iteration. Again, I can see the fun aspect in using a character like that. I can see them making a unique moveset apart from just turning him into a Bowser clone.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 07:48:14 PM
I just said Toad would make more sense, since he appeared in more games. I'll not comment on anything else since you like Bowser Jr.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Caterkiller on June 06, 2011, 07:49:36 PM
I expect to see:
Mario: Bowser Jr(dont like em, if he takes off that scarf I might find him cool)
F-Zero: Samurai Goro(like him)
Yoshi: Kamek(love him!)
Metroid: Ridley(LOVE HIM!)
Pokemon: Zoroark and Mewtwo
Star Fox: Crystal(not sure how I feel about this one, but she would bring a fun moveset to the game)
DK: Dixie Kong(I will repeat this until confirmed, I figure if you keep saying something long enough it comes true)
Punch Out: Little Mac(He better be in this game)

Anyone else not sure, but these guys are most deserving. Yes I think Kamek deserves a shot, he went from cool looking enemy you see in castles to a constant nemesis for Yoshi with dialogue! 
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 07:58:36 PM
Bowser Jr. probably has the best chance especially since he was pretty much the main villain in both Super Mario Sunshine and New Super Mario Bros. At the same time, Browser Jr. is fucking awful. I'd prefer Daisy though.
I just said Toad would make more sense, since he appeared in more games. I'll not comment on anything else since you like Bowser Jr.
I like you both. But Mop it up more because she's a birdo :P
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Ian Sane on June 06, 2011, 08:01:08 PM
I don't care for Bowser Jr. entirely because he looks like young Bowser in Yoshi's Island and I have a theory that Nintendo is so indifferent to their own continuity that they forgot that Yoshi's Island is a prequel, assumed the last boss is Bowser's son and threw him in Super Mario Sunshine.  Hell his reveal in Sunshine even seems like we would already know who he was when was a new character.  I think at some point they thought Bowser Jr. was the final boss from Yoshi's Island and didn't realize the mistake until it was too late or they just didn't care.

It also seems odd that Bowser would name his YOUNGEST child after himself and how Bowser Jr. was absent in the games where the rest of the Koopa Kids were bosses.  He's like the Cousin Oliver of the Koopas.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 08:06:14 PM
To make matters worse, there is also a "Koopa Kid" character who has appeared in some of the Mario Party games and looks like Baby Bowser/Bowser Jr, yet is apparently a different character as well.

As for Kamek, he's just Magikoopa. They gave him a unique name in North America versions but in Japan there is no distinction between him and any other Magikoopa. So even though he plays a role in the Yoshi games, I don't see him making the cut in Smash Brothers since he's still a generic enemy.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Ceric on June 06, 2011, 08:09:21 PM
To make matters worse, there is also a "Koopa Kid" character who has appeared in some of the Mario Party games and looks like Baby Bowser/Bowser Jr, yet is apparently a different character as well.

As for Kamek, he's just Magikoopa. They gave him a unique name in North America versions but in Japan there is no distinction between him and any other Magikoopa. So even though he plays a role in the Yoshi games, I don't see him making the cut in Smash Brothers since he's still a generic enemy.
You know him being a generic character I think would make it more likely to get one.  What would be more interesting is a Koopa that changes between the varieties.... His save being wings and do shell things but, be able to shift to a Magi-Koopa with a different move set.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Retro Deckades on June 06, 2011, 08:14:11 PM
Kamek would make a sweet assist trophy though. He could zip across the screen and power you up with some crazy rainbow magic.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Chozo Ghost on June 06, 2011, 08:15:52 PM
The question I have is who is Bowser Jr.'s mother? Perhaps Kytime's old avatar has the answer.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Mop it up on June 06, 2011, 08:20:23 PM
Yeah, an Assist Trophy would make more sense, though I personally don't like those and turned them off.

The question I have is who is Bowser Jr.'s mother? Perhaps Kytime's old avatar has the answer.
Why do you think Bowser keeps kidnapping Peach? I just wonder if Mario's figured it out yet...
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: the asylum on June 06, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
Bowser Jr would function best as an assist trophy. Or at least that's what I think. I wouldn't be surprised if they did make him a character of his own though; look what happened with Diddy Kong.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Ceric on June 07, 2011, 12:12:48 AM
Yeah, an Assist Trophy would make more sense, though I personally don't like those and turned them off.

The question I have is who is Bowser Jr.'s mother? Perhaps Kytime's old avatar has the answer.
Why do you think Bowser keeps kidnapping Peach? I just wonder if Mario's figured it out yet...
But it was proven that she is not the mother of the Koopa Kids.  Maybe Bowser is like Godzilla.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: figure8Atej on June 07, 2011, 02:00:14 AM
I want to see Little mac, kid Icarus, and Olimar

LEGO City Police Station (http://www.squidoo.com/legocitypolicestation) should appear on the Wii.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Caterkiller on June 07, 2011, 02:25:38 AM
I want to see Little mac, dixie, and Ridley

Fixed. We know those other 2 will be there, just in HD.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 08, 2011, 04:05:31 PM
So yeah, a new Smash Bros was announced for both the 3DS and Wii U.  Of course we won't see it for quite a while because according to Sakurai in the newest Ask Iwata interview, development hasn't even begun yet.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/09/iwata_asks_smash_bros/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/06/09/iwata_asks_smash_bros/)

Of course there's some interesting stuff in here.  It sounds like the 3DS version is going to be more of a single player focused game while the Wii U version will be more multiplayer focused.  Of course if you link both games together, people will be able to play as their customizable characters from the 3DS version in the Wii U version, which will be a way of rewarding people for buying both games.
 
Actually, it sounds a lot like Smash Bros will become like Mario Golf and Mario Tennis were.  The handheld versions on the GBC/GBA were for single player while the home console on the N64/GCN were for the multiplayer.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Caterkiller on June 08, 2011, 04:46:14 PM
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Regarding planners, Sakurai noted that he's headed up all areas of game balance and character strength settings for past Smash Bros. This time, he's hoping to leave this area to the staff.

YES YES YES! Let the staff who will be composed of some smash bros fans figure out the character balance. No wonder King Dedede and Metaknight were epic beyond human comprehension! Seriously why in all the tier lists do the Zelda and Mario characters come out so low every time? So glad he is letting that aspect of the game be handled by the team, no one man should be god in character balance am I right?
 
Now my E3 is complete!
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2011, 04:48:05 PM
If the 3DS version doesn't support online/local multi....
then why bother.

And yes, I know that isn't what was said, but no one really likes playing Smash alone and they certainly didn't prefer the single player game over the actual game either.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Adrock on June 08, 2011, 05:50:22 PM
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It sounds like the 3DS version is going to be more of a single player focused game
What the **** is the point of that? The only reason I played the single player mode in past Smash Bros. games was so I could unlock ****. The vast majority of Smash Bros. fans only care about Free-For-All and possibly the Special Multiplayer Modes. In Brawl, the Subspace Emissary was utter garbage and since that was the easiest way to unlock characters, that made the Solo Mode even more useless. Just focus on multiplayer, online and local, and they stand to please 99% of the fanbase.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Caterkiller on June 08, 2011, 06:10:34 PM
If the U version focuses almost entirely on Multiplayer I don't care what the 3DS does. My guess is that there will probably be more EVENT type modes than say another big story mode.
Title: Re: Possible Reveal of new Super Smash Bros game at E3!!
Post by: Caterkiller on June 09, 2011, 02:30:59 AM
IGN interviews Sakurai about working with Capcom.

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"I can't say that it's entirely out of the realm of possibility that some Capcom character could appear in the next Smash Bros. The big problem, though, comes from the idea of trying to get characters from a completely different universe to fit with the style that has been dictated by Nintendo's characters in a fighting game.
"In fact, I actually think it's a miracle that we got Smash Bros. and all the Nintendo characters to work together in the first place. Especially when you bring Pokemon into the mix and a lot of the complications that are caused by that being an almost completely different entity on its own, it's really something. So this is something that obviously will come up more as we get started on the new Smash Bros. development, but keeping those things in mind I think is important."

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174797p1.html (http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174797p1.html)


One more thing I dug up just so we can site it later.
 
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Nintendo Power: There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?

Sakurai: I think that would probably be pretty impossible. [Laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be all right? [Laughs]


Sakurai knows very well he can do it and he knows Ridley is freakin popular! Since there are very few A List Nintendo characters left I think he has a huge shot now. Being a boss wont be nearly as interesting now, time for Ridley to get pushed into playability.