Author Topic: Official NFL Discussion: If You Only Count The Legal Points, KC Wins (Read 368415 times)

noname2200 · « **Reply #450 on:** September 26, 2012, 02:40:50 PM »

Come on back, Neal.

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NWR_Neal · « **Reply #451 on:** September 26, 2012, 03:13:28 PM »

Quote from: noname2200 on September 26, 2012, 01:57:09 PM

Quote from: NWR_Neal on September 26, 2012, 01:38:44 PM
Since the play took place in the end zone, the simultaneous catch WAS reviewable. Seems the current bullshit story is there wasn't enough evidence to overturn it. The whole process of it was totally ridiculous. The refs are supposed to confer with the head ref until they reach a conclusion, but that never happened.

But, hopefully this will start to behind us because the real refs should return by, at the latest, Week 5.

Though if the Packers miss out on something by a game.....

Why would it make a difference if it's in the end zone or not? So many of the review rules seem arbitrary for the sake of being arbitrary...

I agree on the arbitrariness, but that's what the rules say.

Shaymin · « **Reply #452 on:** September 26, 2012, 05:42:51 PM »

If it's in the end zone, it's a scoring play and the rule is all scoring plays are reviewable.

NWR_Neal · « **Reply #453 on:** September 26, 2012, 05:54:24 PM »

That's not what we're saying, though.

In the NFL, some plays/aspects of plays aren't reviewable.

Examples:

The blatant pass interference on that play (Seahwks Tate pushing Packers Shields down) isn't reviewable on replay.
A ball that goes over the uprights isn't reviewable either (explains the Pats/Ravens debacle)

If that play was not in the end zone and say, a coach challenged it, the simultaneous catch could not be reviewed. It's weird and arcane, but them's the rules.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #454 on:** September 26, 2012, 07:29:35 PM »

The NFL's rules for what is or isn't reviewable are pretty inconsistent. I can see not allowing reviews for judgment calls like most penalities. You can't really review pass interference or holding. Those rely too much on the ref's discretion. It isn't black and while like spotting the ball or a fumble or if something is in bounds or in the end zone, etc. But a simultaneous catch does not rely on the ref's discretion that much. They'll review if a receiver caught a ball and this is no different - did both guys actually catch the ball or did one guy just put his hands on after the other guy caught it?

Though since coaches only have two challenges does it matter if we make EVERY call reviewable? It isn't like the coaches will abuse the system. They can't! They have a limited amount of challenges. So if they want to waste their challenge on whether holding occured or not the ref can watch the replay and say "yep, seeing the replay I still consider it holding. You lose a timeout."

Reading more into the rules, if this occured with the normal refs would we be mad at the league instead for having a dumb rule like we did when Calvin Johnson had a touchdown taken away on a really stupid rule? What is more offensive? That the refs made the wrong initial call or that the review system apparently prohibits them from overturning it?

noname2200 · « **Reply #455 on:** September 27, 2012, 05:40:11 PM »

Good points all around, ian. And to answer your question, this would be less likely to occur with regular refs, but if it did we'd probably be pissed off at both. I'm guessing the replacement refs are some of the happiest folks that the regular refs are returning...

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #456 on:** September 27, 2012, 05:41:57 PM »

I don't know, the replacements are probably making more money now than they ever did and it's unlikely they will ever get hired by the NFL.

noname2200 · « **Reply #457 on:** September 27, 2012, 05:49:51 PM »

And how much of that are they going to have to spend on personal security?

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #458 on:** September 27, 2012, 05:59:25 PM »

I do wonder why the NFL hired a referee that even the Lingerie Football League fired for being incompetent (though he only reffed the Hall of Fame game).

noname2200 · « **Reply #459 on:** October 04, 2012, 03:19:30 PM »

I'm surprised to see that so many folks are picking the Panthers over the Seahawks. What am I missing?

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #460 on:** October 04, 2012, 04:35:08 PM »

I don't think either team's that good, but Carolina has Cam Newton, who can be a game changer. I picked Seattle (well, Seattle plus 3 1/2) in the NWR pool, though.

The question I have is will the Browns be able to continue their streak? In all of the last four seasons, they've beaten the defending Super Bowl champion, going back to their surprise beatdown of the Giants on Monday Night Football in 2008. They play the Giants this Sunday, and their defense has been solid (although still missing Joe Haden one more game) and Weeden and Richardson are starting to click, so we'll see how it goes.

noname2200 · « **Reply #461 on:** October 04, 2012, 05:02:41 PM »

Hmm. I really doubt it, based on what I've seen of both teams so far, but then I haven't found the Giants super-impressive. I voted for the Giants and I feel quite comfortable about it, but then I didn't know about that stat until just now.

Soren · « **Reply #462 on:** October 04, 2012, 11:31:29 PM »

From Elias: Greg Zuerlein's 53-yard FG gives him 4 FG of 50+ yards, tying the NFL record for most 50-yard FG by a rookie.

After just 5 games. Greg Zuerlein is bad ass.

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #463 on:** October 04, 2012, 11:38:19 PM »

He also broke the Rams team record for longest field goal (60 yards), the longest field goal at Soldier Field (56 yards), first NFL players to have a 50+ and 60+ yard field goal in the same game, and tied the record for longest first quarter field goal (58 yards). VERY impressive.

Ceric · « **Reply #464 on:** October 05, 2012, 10:32:33 AM »

Back in the Tennessee Oilers/Early Titans day. Del Greco and then his predecessor made it so that Tennessee always scored once they were in Field goal range. Great kickers can be a real boom.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #465 on:** October 07, 2012, 11:46:54 AM »

If you told me a year ago that I'd be very upset by the fact that Mohammad Massaquoi would be missing a game, I'd have laughed at you. Turns out he's a pretty good receiver when he has a quarterback who can actually throw effectively. If he can get healthy again and Greg Little stops coating his hands in Vaseline before games, we've got a pretty decent receiving corps.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #466 on:** October 07, 2012, 01:23:09 PM »

What did I tell you people? The Browns are unstoppable against defending Super Bowl champions.

EDIT: Okay, maybe "unstoppable" was too strong a word.

Shaymin · « **Reply #467 on:** October 07, 2012, 04:51:09 PM »

The lesson, as always; God hates Cleveland.

Stogi · « **Reply #468 on:** October 08, 2012, 02:11:12 AM »

Anybody using NBC's website to watch the games? It's awesome. You can switch between cameras, watch different angles at the same time and best of all, stay at the game during commercial breaks and timeouts.

Ceric · « **Reply #469 on:** October 08, 2012, 09:44:45 AM »

Quote from: Stogi on October 08, 2012, 02:11:12 AM

Anybody using NBC's website to watch the games? It's awesome. You can switch between cameras, watch different angles at the same time and best of all, stay at the game during commercial breaks and timeouts.

I didn't know you could.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #470 on:** October 08, 2012, 10:40:49 AM »

The last 5 minutes of the NO/SD game last night was nothing short of the refs handing the game to NO.

noname2200 · « **Reply #471 on:** October 09, 2012, 04:56:22 PM »

Quote from: Brandogg on October 08, 2012, 10:40:49 AM

The last 5 minutes of the NO/SD game last night was nothing short of the refs handing the game to NO.

"Saints can't go 0-5 again. We've already filmed the commercials!"

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #472 on:** October 14, 2012, 07:39:58 PM »

BROWNS WIN!!!!! 11-5, Super Bowl here we come!

Shaymin · « **Reply #473 on:** October 14, 2012, 07:59:53 PM »

* Shaymin goes to check his picks

... I hate football sometimes.

noname2200 · « **Reply #474 on:** October 16, 2012, 01:57:15 PM »

This "spread" thing is the worst idea ever!

On an unrelated note, I believe we all thought the entire AFC East would be 3-3 this time of the year, right?

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Author Topic: Official NFL Discussion: If You Only Count The Legal Points, KC Wins (Read 368415 times)