Author Topic: the official "if i was running nintendo" thread (Read 8084 times)

AgentSeven · « **Reply #25 on:** August 24, 2003, 11:45:13 AM »

The only reason Nintendo, or Sega for that matter, isn't number #1 is because both companies decided to take "idiot pills" and they collectively made some of the worst decisions in business history.
I.E. launching the Sega Saturn early, sticking w/ cartridge format, etc...

However the reason I wan't to spread the truth is because of people like the ignorant PIAC.

40-50 million consoles? PLEASE! That is the single most ignorant thing I have ever heard. $ony is famous for LYING about how big is suppossed installed base is. They also like to quote the number of consoles SHIPPED and not SOLD. There's a BIG difference. I can see where you get your flawed math from, the $ony Public Relations Dept.

People need to know the truth and here it is. $ony is only in the lead because of lies and dirty tricks.
They spend the most money on advertising and they practically own the opinions of almost every video game magazine. They win because they act like a mind control juggernaut. I can't tell you how many superior Dreamcast games would get dumped on by the critics, only to have a crappy, inferior Ps2 version of the same game show up and it would recieve rave reviews. PLEASE!

That and their best franchises came from the 3rd parties that got their start on the NES and Super Nes. They stole their best ideas from the masters and now they are paying for it. They have nothing of their own. They couldn't make a good game if they tried. And now that their best franchises are returning to other systems, they are in BIG trouble. (I.E. Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Madden, Tony Hawk, Mega Man, Castlevania, etc, etc, etc....)

Finally, why complain about this now? Well because younger gamers desrve to know the truth. Also, you may not realize this, but $ony is in a crisis point. NO ONE expects the Ps3 to be No#1 during the next round of video game wars. They also failed in destroying Nintendo and M$ has gained significant ground on the once untouchable $ony.

I doubt very much that $ony will stay numerber one. Reminding people that they are a joke who stole their best ideas from someone else only helps to drive home the fact that $ony's day is coming to an end.

ps. Mac sucks anyway

PIAC · « **Reply #26 on:** August 24, 2003, 04:25:23 PM »

yeah im ignorant, what ever, i dont care about sales figures, much like i dont care how/why sony got to number one, nintendo also quotes numbers of consoles shipped, so the fact sony does that aswell is meaningless. im happy sitting in my house playing my nintendo games (but then i took up a contrary stance to you, so i probably dont even own a nintendo product in your eyes).

i don't really see your point how ever, if sony (and ffs spell it SONY, not $ony, that looks stupid) arn't going to be number one in the next generation, why bother 'exposing the truth to all the ignorant people (like me)'

jj_frap · « **Reply #27 on:** August 24, 2003, 04:28:32 PM »

Hmmm...Easy...

I'd end all territorial lock-out on my products, charge every region of the world the same price, stop bitching when people pirate games not even released in their region, and not censor North American and European localizations on my products.

jj_frap · « **Reply #28 on:** August 24, 2003, 06:58:39 PM »

Oh...And everybody at Nintendo of Europe should be shot for not knowing dick about ANYTHING. I heard they f*cking charge twice as much as I pay for GBA games and that the E-Reader is f*cking delayed because they're so stupid they can't decide whether it's a game, an accessory, or a f*cking cable. Anybody who's not a mentally retarded monkey knows that it's a goddamn accessory.

Chibi Kuririn · « **Reply #29 on:** August 25, 2003, 03:55:28 AM »

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Originally posted by: AgentSeven
The only reason Nintendo, or Sega for that matter, isn't number #1 is because both companies decided to take "idiot pills" and they collectively made some of the worst decisions in business history.
I.E. launching the Sega Saturn early, sticking w/ cartridge format, etc...

However the reason I wan't to spread the truth is because of people like the ignorant PIAC.

40-50 million consoles? PLEASE! That is the single most ignorant thing I have ever heard. $ony is famous for LYING about how big is suppossed installed base is. They also like to quote the number of consoles SHIPPED and not SOLD. There's a BIG difference. I can see where you get your flawed math from, the $ony Public Relations Dept.

People need to know the truth and here it is. $ony is only in the lead because of lies and dirty tricks.
They spend the most money on advertising and they practically own the opinions of almost every video game magazine. They win because they act like a mind control juggernaut. I can't tell you how many superior Dreamcast games would get dumped on by the critics, only to have a crappy, inferior Ps2 version of the same game show up and it would recieve rave reviews. PLEASE!

That and their best franchises came from the 3rd parties that got their start on the NES and Super Nes. They stole their best ideas from the masters and now they are paying for it. They have nothing of their own. They couldn't make a good game if they tried. And now that their best franchises are returning to other systems, they are in BIG trouble. (I.E. Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Madden, Tony Hawk, Mega Man, Castlevania, etc, etc, etc....)

Finally, why complain about this now? Well because younger gamers desrve to know the truth. Also, you may not realize this, but $ony is in a crisis point. NO ONE expects the Ps3 to be No#1 during the next round of video game wars. They also failed in destroying Nintendo and M$ has gained significant ground on the once untouchable $ony.

I doubt very much that $ony will stay numerber one. Reminding people that they are a joke who stole their best ideas from someone else only helps to drive home the fact that $ony's day is coming to an end.

ps. Mac sucks anyway

Whoever this guy was replying to got pwned in one hit.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #30 on:** August 25, 2003, 04:17:38 AM »

agent seven

how about providing us with links to these conspiracy theories of yours?

This sounds to me like a bunch of rubbish, as a stock broker for the last 8 years, I know how these things works and this just doesn't sound plausible.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #31 on:** August 25, 2003, 04:21:12 AM »

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Well because younger gamers desrve to know the truth

Most gamers DONT care. most gamers are casual gamers and could care less who makes what.

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NO ONE expects the Ps3 to be No#1 during the next round of video game wars.

LOL, you should speak to analysts before saying that, EVERYONE expects Sony to continue it dominance.

PIAC · « **Reply #32 on:** August 25, 2003, 10:20:32 AM »

yay i agree with cubedcanuck

at any rate, i hardly consider what agentsevet posted 'pwned' me in one hit, alot of hot air and garbage if you ask me, but then im the ignorant one. </end argument>

AgentSeven · « **Reply #33 on:** August 25, 2003, 11:24:49 AM »

Actually Canuck, you and Piac should actually read a financial investment page, or the Wall Street Journal for that matter. Then you won't sound so foolish

Here's an item from the Wall Street Journal. It's a couple of months old and I'm not quoting them exactly, but here's the general idea of what they said about the future of $ony...

Essentialy what they said was this. With the weakining of $ony's major franchises, their inferior hardware capabilities, and the fact that they have flooded the market with sequels, the WSJ expects that over %60 of $ony's current user base will choose either a Nintendo or a Microsoft system during the next round of console wars. %60!!!!! These are that same casual gamers you speak of. I must also point out that the WSJ accurately predicited the downfall of Nintendo back in 95, when they decided to stick with cartridges instead of using optical media.

NO ONE expects $ony to continue their dominance. This is the end. What I'm saying here is just another "nail in the coffin." Everyone thought Atari, Sega, and Nintendo would stay at the top for ever, lol!

Also cannuck, I've seen all your other posts and you seem to have some issue with Nintendo. Well if you do, too bad. Gamers DO care about the state of their industry, even if you don't, and loyal Nintendo fans deserve the truth.

I won't even get into the fact that many, many 3rd party software companies HATE $ony, or the fact that there are major procution issues with the PSP, or even the gentleman's agreement between M$ and Nintendo. The future doesn't look well for $ony

If the two of you desire another intellectual beating, just let me know

ps. you did get "pwned" in one hit

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #34 on:** August 25, 2003, 01:54:43 PM »

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Actually Canuck, you and Piac should actually read a financial investment page, or the Wall Street Journal for that matter. Then you won't sound so foolish

LMAO, I am a bond trader for a living, you are too funny.

AgentSeven · « **Reply #35 on:** August 25, 2003, 03:48:03 PM »

If your'e a bond trader then you probably have a subscription to either the WSJ or Barrons.
What I said about $ony losing %60 of it's installed base should sound familiar to you. It's the truth and it was widely reported.

If you haven't, well, I'd hate to be your client....

By the way, what firm do you work for? What market do you trade in? Also what is a 32 year old bond trader doing in here trashing Nintendo in the first place?

Just curious.....

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #36 on:** August 25, 2003, 03:51:01 PM »

If I were Nintendo, I wouldn't listen to all the nerds with no lives out there who think they know how to run a company.

alvinaloy · « **Reply #37 on:** August 25, 2003, 05:14:54 PM »

If I run Nintendo, I'd sue all those fanboys who think they know how Nintendo should be ran.

Do you know what happens when fanboys-who-think-they-can-run-Nintendo-better start a company? They call themselves Infinium Labs and come up with something called The Phantom

kennyb27 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 25, 2003, 06:12:42 PM »

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I won't even get into the fact that many, many 3rd party software companies HATE $ony, or the fact that there are major procution issues with the PSP, or even the gentleman's agreement between M$ and Nintendo. The future doesn't look well for $ony

AgentSeven, not to start another argument or something, but where do you dig up these theories. I've seen several of your posts and many mention these various theories. But you have yet to provide a link or sufficient data for any of them.

AgentSeven · « **Reply #39 on:** August 25, 2003, 06:43:58 PM »

Well, here's the thing. I used to work in a public relations dept during my college years in Los Angeles. During this time I had a great deal of involvement in the video game industry, even though I was just a lowly intern. This was at the time of the Playstation launch. It was also during the time when E3 first moved from Atlanta to Los Angeles. Those were some great years and I made A TON of friends. I began to be consumed by the video game industry, even though it wasn't my major, and back then, I was still a nobody.

As the years past I began to feel a deep frustration with all of the lies and BS you here coming out of the kid mags (EGM, etc..) and on the web. I wanted to know the truth, especially anything related to the most secretive company of them all, Nintendo.

So in the past several years, I have developed a reputation as a bit of a rumor hound. I'm always looking for a big scoop, not to provide it to the press, but just for the satisfaction of knowing what's really going on. You see the game industry has a stranglehold over any bit of news that is released. I can read the script for a top secret movie years before it's release, yet getting a secret out of Nintendo is like trying to ask the US govt for top secret UFO information.

So here I am. Sharing the crazy bits of rumor and speculation I find with you all.

However, the fact that 3rd parties hate $ony is a well known fact. Don't you think that if Capcom had decided to release Resident Evil 0 on Ps2 it would have sold more just because of it's larger installed base? Yet they chose to stick close to Nintendo, even though it cost them money. Why? Because they hate $ony, as does SquareEnix, Rockstar Games, Namco, Sega, EA, and many others. It seems that $ony has repeated the arrogance that once harmed Nintendo during the height of it's power. This issue, among others has caused them to allientate many/most of the major third parties.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #40 on:** August 26, 2003, 06:35:47 AM »

It's a proven fact that empires fall down after time. The larger they are, the longer it takes (hell, Rome survived many hundred years!), but the larger they were the deeper they fall. Rome, Turkey, Spain, France, Germany, Atari, Nintendo. They all were once the greatest of their time, they all are insignificant now. Really, Sony's position today doesn't say anything about tomorrow. If they don't get the RPG-lead next round, they won't own Japan and thus the japanese publishers. Means they lose their main advantage. What's left of Sony then? They have not much to show themselves and next time the ressources get distributed they might as well pull the shorter one.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 26, 2003, 07:39:55 AM »

People should keep in mind how easy Sony has had it so far.
The Sega Saturn was notoriously difficult to develope for as was the N64 which also used the expensive cartridge format. This sent the majority of third-parties running to the PSX which was both cheap and easy to develope for. This generation, Sony has also had it easy. The DC never really had a chance and the PS2 had already sold a ton of units and saturated the market by the time the XBox and GCN were released.
Sony has been so successful because all the competitors it's faced have had handicaps that have kept them from getting the kind of third-party support they need to be serious competition. But that will almost certainly change this next generation assuming Nintendo and MS come through with consoles that are released on time and are easy to develope for.

The PS3 probably will still "win" next generation and I really don't even care. The important thing is Sony's near-monopoly of the market is bound to fall and the third-party support will be much more evenly distributed.
Nintendo shouldn't have to rely almost entirely on its own first and second party games to sell systems and, if all goes well, it won't have to much longer. Just look at the kind of support the Gamecube is getting from some of the biggest third-party developers like Namco, Sega, and Capcom despite the HUGE lead the PS2 has over it. Now just imagine the kind of support Ninendo's next console will get if it's released before the PS3 has a chance to gain a similar lead.

GaimeGuy · « **Reply #42 on:** August 26, 2003, 08:41:10 AM »

Agent, I think you need to shut up. You claim to have these articles, we ask you for them, then you just say, "Oh I won't post the link but here's part of the article.."

And you said that Take Two and Square enix HATE Sony?! THEN WHY THE HELL ARE MOST OF THEIR GAMES FOR THE Ps2?! You need to stop giving blind arguments. Start giving valid arguments, backed up with EVIDENCE that SUPPORTS your argument. If Sony truly were planning a "hostile takeover" of the video game industry, as you stated, they could be sued for plotting a monopoly. But they haven't, and you know why? Because you made up that stuff about hostile takeovers.

AgentSeven · « **Reply #43 on:** August 26, 2003, 10:16:16 AM »

First off, "GaimeGuy" go find the article yourself. I told you where to find it, get off your lazy ass and do some searching for yourself. Don't just sit there and wait for people to spoon feed you the information you want to hear.

Secondly, Square has to make money. They just posted their biggest losses in the companies history. (Due mainly to the failure of the FF movie and it's partnership with Sony.) They can't just up and leave $ony, they need money. Yet their new partnership with Nintendo is techinically illeagal. They had to form a dummy company just to produce games for Nintendo. When $cea's president, Ken Kutaragi found out what they were doing behind his back, he went through the roof with anger. This was a widely reported story, and if you don't already know about it, then maybe your'e too uninformed for me to bother with. Go and educate yourself fool.

Let me also say this, the second Square can make decent profits off of a Nintendo system, expect to see the majority of their games head to Nintendo country. (what about that rumored Final Fantasy 7 remake for GC? I guess I won't get into that...)

Also, Rockstar Games, feels that $ony's exclusivity deal cost them Millions of dollars and that it was unfair to begin with. You may not know this but GTA 3 was originally in development for the Dreamcast. Then $ony decided to offer Rockstar a ton of cash. In the long run however, the deal cost them millions. That's why GTA is headed for other systems the second the exculsivity deal is up.

Finally, the "Hostile Takeover" is total fact. It's just never reported on because $ony owns the video game press and Nintendo did not want to reveal their weakness before the corrupt corporate giant. Recently Nintendo, bought back 180 million of it's own, publically traded stock share. This was to thwart another hostile takeover, this time coming from Micro$oft. This was also a widely reported FACT.

I guess if you have your head in your rear end, as "gaimeguy" does, you may not have heard all of these FACTS.

Here's one more bit of info. Again, as reported, the Wall Street Journal expects that $ony will lose %60 of it's installed base during the next round of console wars. %60!

No one stays on top forever, especially if you couldn't make a decent game if you tried

kennyb27 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 26, 2003, 12:06:09 PM »

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Yet their new partnership with Nintendo is techinically illeagal.

Well, let's not go that far. Square is still a third party to Sony despite Sony's ownership of 19% of Square's stock shares. Although Sony wasn't "too pleased" with the news of Square's renewed ties with Nintendo, it wasn't illegal.

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Hostile Creation · « **Reply #46 on:** August 26, 2003, 03:47:55 PM »

Well, I'm not going to agree or disagree with anyone, but most probably do hate the PS2. Why do they still make games for it (usually crap)? Because they sell, whether they're good or not. I know nothing about the industry, and quite frankly don't care to, I just play the games. But that bit seems kind of obvious.

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Author Topic: the official "if i was running nintendo" thread (Read 8084 times)