Post by: 007 on July 17, 2003, 03:27:45 AM
A Name: I think NES5 is good name but Nexus is also good, GameCube 2 is OK
Backward Compatability: This is a must, having Gamecube games at launch will increase their game library by alot and also you could sell your Gamecube and Buy the NES5 (working title)
GB Player: I think this is a good idea, GB & GBA Games would increasse the library very much, and people will buy the console to because it has so many games.
A Harddrive: This is a must, it will sell systems and gives you plenty of space for save games. Also have Memory Cards so you can visit friend's houses and show them your save files on their system.
DVD Compatability: I dont think this is a good idea, it will push the price up to much and people buy the console for the games not for movies, anyway most people will have atleast 1 DVD Player by 2005/6.
Games: Must launch with good games, 2 or 3 Nintendo titles eg: Mario, Zelda & Metroid (not to many or 2nd and 3rd parties will not sell well enough and will leave Nintendo) also maybe something new that will sell systems, something like Halo. Nintendo needs games that will fit anyones taste, Shoot-Em-Ups, Adventure, Role Play, Sports etc. Rockstar's contract with Sony ends 2004, maybe buy it (Rockstar make Grand Theft Auto). Also contract a sports game publisher/developer eg: EA Sports or SEGA Sports.
A new Handheld: A new handheld launch same time as the console to go head tto head with Sony PSP (Play Station Portable).
More Mature Games: Nintendo have outsold PS2 in Japan but not anywhere else. They need more mature games to boost sales in other countries. Rockstar Games (reffered to earlier) is a good example.
Online Playability: I think this is a good idea, some decent online games are a must eg: Mario Kart Online, Mario Party Online a few decent Shoot-Em-Ups, also Sports Games, Beat-Em-Upsand a racing game or 2.
Controllers: Have a selection of Pads eg: Standard Pads, Wavebirds and a Hori Pad (for GB Player and Beat-Em-Ups) all in a good range of colors.
The System: Good Specs, (I'm not a tech genius but i do know a good console) A range of colors (Purple cannot be the main color) I think it should be available in: Jet Black, Red, Clear Blue, Clear Orange, Clear Green and in the old NES Color Style
Got any Ideas??? Please feel free to tell us!!!
Post by: Chode2234 on July 17, 2003, 09:10:00 AM
Since Nintendo wants, or seems to want, to make gaming machines only; while the other guys want to make home entertainemt solutions packed with lots of "stuff" (dvd etc). Nintendo should counter this with its own "stuff" instead of a multi-fucntion home system, it should be a multi-platform home system. Market the darn thing as a games solution. Plays GBA, GBA2 (if its out), GCN and "N5" games too. Instead of doing lots of different things, make it able to play lots of different games.
This way it wouldn't be seen as an inferior product because it doesn't have bells and whistles, it would seem more valuable for what it is, a game machine.
The reason DVD is wanted is because it provides an increased percieved value, an alternative it to provide percieved value through the ability to play almost any kind of game. What do you guys think?
p.s. I also think it would be great if Nintendo released demo video disks on DVD designed to be played on the competitors systems. Put them in video game mags.
Post by: ThePerm on July 17, 2003, 09:26:03 AM
heres what i think they could do
make the tokyo studio have a flavor that is different the miyamoto
realese with a dvd player so the mainstream will except it(though actually i think the mainstream has come to beleive using a system as a dvd player...breaks the lazer now thanks to ps2
make the system look like its a cool new machine rather then a purple box.....
a hardrive like earlier is a must. Giving editability tro games, and also allowing for levels to be more dynamic...which could really be cool in the next generation
Post by: Chode2234 on July 17, 2003, 10:21:22 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 17, 2003, 10:45:55 AM
Chode's idea is also pretty good, but whatever. I'll just buy the next system whether anyone else does or not.
Post by: Chode2234 on July 17, 2003, 11:20:55 AM
I remember the turning point for me with N64, watching that goldeneye comercial with the site zooming in on the guy and dropping him like a bad habit, I was wowed into dropping the money for the 64. Those types of comercials were everywhere back then showing off a variety of games, and to some extent they are comming back. The madden 04 and RL : III comercials. Just show me more gameplay footage instead of people with veins comming out of their neck etc.
Nintendo could have a very successful marketing campaign if they would let the games sell themselves. Seeing them on TV its almost as if they are trying to hard. It screams despiration more than cool. If only the "clean is better than dirty" campaign would have never happend....
In summary, there are good third party games to fill the gaps, we need more of them, but what is really lacking is awareness of them and how good they are.
Post by: evilnate on July 17, 2003, 11:34:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Chode2234
I was just thinking:
Since Nintendo wants, or seems to want, to make gaming machines only; while the other guys want to make home entertainemt solutions packed with lots of "stuff" (dvd etc). Nintendo should counter this with its own "stuff" instead of a multi-fucntion home system, it should be a multi-platform home system. Market the darn thing as a games solution. Plays GBA, GBA2 (if its out), GCN and "N5" games too. Instead of doing lots of different things, make it able to play lots of different games.
I've been thinking about this since I got my GBP. At this point my Cube is only second to my PC in the quanity and variety of games that it can play. I can go from playing the original Tetris to Super Mario World to Golden Sun to Metroid Prime without messing with a bunch of cables or switch boxes. Also, with the amount of SNES ports for the GBA, as well as NES games available through e-reader cards and GB games, I don't have to own a bunch of systems either. When the next system comes out, I'd hope that there would be a built in GB slot, or there would be a new GBP available for the system, or the current one would be compatable. Imagine a backwards compatable Gamecube 2 that could not only GC and GC2 games, but all the GBA and GB games out there. Heck, if you want to get really fancy, if the next GB portable uses disc media, have it playable in the GC2's disc drive right out of the box.
I'm not planning on being an early adopter next generation (I waited over a year to replace my N64 with a Cube), but if something like I described above is available at launch, I'd have to take a long, hard look.
Post by: Rich on July 17, 2003, 11:42:56 AM
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on July 17, 2003, 04:56:35 PM
What a clever idea to counter Microsoft's and Sony's entertainment system with their own Mega-Gaming system. I mean...I think now DVD compatibility is like asking for a VCR in your console...who cares. A majority of homes already have a DVD player...I'm not sure adding one is anything special...(you've prob got the main DVD player hooked up the the biggest TV in the house any ways, and that's probably where you watch all your DVD's too. Having another DVD there won't change the fact that you'll switch to wathcing DVD's on a smaller TV).
But I don't think adding a built in GBA/GB port is good. I think that would drop the sales of the GBA, and that is something they shouldn't do. I'd like that feature a lot, but I'm not sure it would be better in the long run.
All the other suggestions are good too. I'm glad this is one of the threads that is keeping it realistic without throwing out outrageous ideas.
Post by: ThePerm on July 17, 2003, 05:51:18 PM
Post by: The Real Mario on July 17, 2003, 08:09:42 PM
Post by: Rich on July 17, 2003, 09:21:40 PM
oh and about the suggested idea of getting madden exclusive. i think it would cost and absurd amount of money and think it would be worth it but, i dont think it will happen. if a deal is struck with EA it will be something like superior nice graphics, more plays, online play, more animations, and something like and extra mode. all that would be included into the N5 version but not the PS2 and Xbox versions.
Post by: ThePerm on July 17, 2003, 10:32:33 PM
Post by: Chode2234 on July 18, 2003, 04:39:54 AM
Perhaps if the system had USB2 or firewire ports on it to be able to hook up storage periphirals, and the like. It might be something to consider. What do you guys think?
Also I don't think that the inclusion of a GBA player would truly hurt GBA sales. If that were the case why would nintendo release the GBA player for the gamecube? People want to get there 2d gaming fix on there home TV. I love the gba player because it allows me to play so many more games at home. People will still want the GBAs because they are portable, but having the option of playing this format at home is very attractive to many gamers.
I think it is also a necesity for them, if they are to remain focused on a "gaming only" machine to make it play more than 1 format. I think that is one of gamecubes faults. You cant seriously bill something as a gaming machine that can only play one type of game. If it supported all/most of nintendos formats it could truly be THE gaming machine that people flock to.
Post by: evilnate on July 18, 2003, 05:43:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Nintendo Gamecube
But I don't think adding a built in GBA/GB port is good. I think that would drop the sales of the GBA, and that is something they shouldn't do. I'd like that feature a lot, but I'm not sure it would be better in the long run.
I agree with Chode - having a GBP or a built in slot for GB games wouldn't hurt the handheld's sales. In fact, it might be the opposite. I didn't buy a GBA until I heard that they were coming out with the GBP. Knowing that when I was at home I didn't have to squint at that tiny screen played a big part in my decision to finally buy a portable.
I like the ideas in this thread. Microsoft and Sony seem to be focused on making "Entertainment Solutions" with TiVo capabilities, DVD players, Internet access and so on. If Nintendo made (and marketed properly) a machine that could play not only the greatest games of today, but also of yesterday, that could appeal strongly to a more "mature" market of 20-30 year olds who are starting to wax nostalgic about the "good old days" but want to enjoy new games as well. With the GBA hardware you can have NES and SNES games, and if they include next-gen GB support, probably N64 level games. Include backwards compatablitly with GC games, and you'd have a machine that has the best of over 20 years of video games. Even to a casual gamer who has memories of the NES, that would be a very appealing system. Nintendo has a far longer legacy in games than either Microsoft or Sony and I think that they should capatalize on that.
Post by: ThePerm on July 19, 2003, 03:44:19 PM
Abnother thing you could do is chop down a door and tie it to a rope lay the door flat and drag the door with a rope you found. Imagine a game thta ets you solve puzzles in whatever way you want. Eve played a game where you had to look for the key to get through a door...screw that break the door down...although that could be problematic...monsters could get through that door or something. m thinking a resident evil style game where every puzzle was illogical and all the items you saw in the backround were uselss.
Post by: kennyb27 on July 19, 2003, 04:37:13 PM
QuoteWouldn't Nintendo have to get permission from Sony or Microsoft in order to do this? And I seriously doubt Sony or Microsoft would do that. And if they didn't get permission from either company it would be illegal.
p.s. I also think it would be great if Nintendo released demo video disks on DVD designed to be played on the competitors systems. Put them in video game mags.
Post by: ThePerm on July 19, 2003, 06:36:15 PM
Post by: The Real Mario on July 19, 2003, 08:38:11 PM
Post by: Mario on July 19, 2003, 10:19:22 PM
Post by: BigJim on July 20, 2003, 06:01:09 AM
For anyone that thinks Nintendo isn't marketing, that's not really true. Their ads can smother the viewer, they just don't happen to be marketing to YOU, because you're not watching the shows/channels that they're targeting. I mean, you won't see a Pokemon commercial during Buffy.
They have a pretty hefty budget at present.But Nintendo will always have some type of "image" issue while they still have Mario, DK, Pokemon, child Link, and so on. However, they'd be insane to forfeit this young market that they pretty much own. So the issue will never go away completely.
Post by: ThePerm on July 20, 2003, 09:30:17 PM
Post by: Chode2234 on July 21, 2003, 05:46:39 AM
It will be a sad sad day if Nintendo pushes Too Human like it pushed Eternal Darkness.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 21, 2003, 07:29:14 AM
That alone would help a fair bit. Sony releases several E rated games but they're not considered "kiddy" because they also release M and T rated titles. They have a good balance and that's why the PS2 is popular with all demographics. So far the way Nintendo releases a mature title it's like they're just throwing us a bone. "That'll shut those whiners up." So we get something like Conker's Bad Fur Day or Eternal Darkness and then Nintendo has this attitude like "that should be good enough" and we don't really get any more M rated games for a while. The lack of consistency is what really hurts their image. They do release mature titles but they don't do it enough and they market the their few mature games in such a way that it's as if they don't care if they sell well at all. It's like it's just something to quiet down the complainers. Actually they do that with pretty much any type of game that they don't normally make themselves. There aren't many RPGs so they'll make like ONE and then act like everything's okay now because we have an RPG. Or they'll get Sega to make ONE online game. We want Square games so they'll get Square to make ONE game and I'll bet that will be it. It's like if the fans want something and it's not something that Nintendo really wants to do they'll do the bare minimum to please us and assume that's enough. That's a big problem with Nintendo right now. The "kiddy" thing is only part of the issue. The real issue is that Nintendo TELLS it's fans what they want instead of giving them what they want.
If Nintendo really wants to be a force to reckon with next generation they should make a serious effort to fill in the gaps in their lineup. If they don't want to make those games then hire developers to do it for them. SK making mature games is already a good start. Now what they need is someone to make sports games and another developer to specialize in RPGs (Camelot would be a good choice instead of wasting their time with Mario sports games). Someone else can then fill in the gaps by working on a realistic racer and a fighting game. Nintendo published games should cover all demographics and all genres because that's what Sony does and they're number one. Each game shouldn't appeal to everyone, the game lineup should appeal to everyone.
Post by: ThePerm on July 24, 2003, 11:28:24 AM
Post by: The Omen on July 24, 2003, 12:04:10 PM
1.--Make some deals like M$ is doing for 6 month exclusives. Get online, even if its not 'good business'. Gamers don't want to hear 'Theres no money in being online.' Do it, just so its another option. People want to have everything available, even if they arent planning on using them.
2--I think it'll come down to the launch lineup. If you have RE,Metal Gear, Metroid, Mario, EA sports, a few FPS and Zelda available, people will buy it at launch and support it. If not, they'll take a wait and see attitude . If they become content with other systems, they may never consider buying the N5. Get 'em from the jump.
Post by: GuiltyGamer on July 26, 2003, 06:55:32 AM
Backward Compatability: They should have it, they should also make it where the Destiny playes GBA 2 games!
GB Player: Not needed if the Destiny plays GBA 2 games with out any attachments!
A Hard drive: Would be nice, but I would still like to have memory cards!
DVD Compatability: I think they should have it! But make it a choice. Like have a Destiny, then a Destiny Q (Made by Panasonic), but this time it SHOULD BE RELEASED EVERYWHERE!!!!
Games: Must launch M rated title(s) to show that Nintendo wants to get rid of its "kid" imige, but have kid titles too! Have a Metroid..Zelda, etc @ launch. And have a new game, a Perfect Dark killer! Made by Retro Studios! Also be nice to have Too Human @ Launch too. They should push back RE4 and MP 2 to the Destiny, this way it will be out by launch!
A new Handheld: They should have one..armed with a Mobile P4, and the same size as the GBA, but with a flip screen. So you will have a little wide-screen! Should use Mini-DVD's like the GCN does, but the memory card slot will be the same size as the GBA cartiges. So it will be backwords compatible!
Online Playability: Hmm, can u say Super Smash Bros. Online?
Controllers: All Wireless, but the controls CHARGE like the SP does. So you never have to change battiries. Also have a energy metter on the controller so u know when to recharge it.
The System: Nintendo will take care of this..i know they will! And with ATi backing them..all they need a ll help from intel NOT IBM!!!
Post by: HiTmaN on July 27, 2003, 08:00:20 PM
Post by: Chode2234 on July 29, 2003, 06:03:53 AM
Seems to me that this generation has been characterized by the phrase "I just played that game on my 64"
Post by: Nintendo Gamecube on July 29, 2003, 10:41:39 AM
Nintendo on the other hand, has made ade sequels to its franchises, but they have failed to be as popular as Vice City, etc. It seems as Nintendo is doing something else wrong. I don't think sequals matter as much anymore. Of course, we do want new innovative stuff.
Post by: Ian Sane on July 29, 2003, 11:05:45 AM
Devil May Cry isn't a sequel. It's an original PS2 franchise so even though there are two games it's new for this generation. The GTA series went though the same situation that Mario and Zelda went through with the N64 in that the series switched to 3D and thus was "new" again. For all intents and purposes GTA3 was a brand new game. Vice City sold well because it's a direct sequel to a "new" franchise. GTA games won't be selling as great next generation. Final Fantasy manages to overcome staleness by changing the characters and setting in every game which is an absolutely BRILLIANT idea because it maintains a popular brand name while giving the illusion of changing things up.
In reality the PS2 lineup isn't much more unique than the Gamecube's but the PS2 lineup LOOKS like it's new. Same with the Xbox. Halo isn't that much different than every other FPS but it's a new character and franchise so people think it's new. Nintendo has the problem that, even though the competition isn't doing much different, they appear to be stale because every one of their games has the same characters and practically the same story. That's not a big problem on it's own but when you don't have much else to freshen up the lineup everything can look stale. The Gamecube needed that big ORIGINAL title right from the start and it didn't get anything new (like ED) until it was too late. Well technically Luigi's Mansion was new but it wasn't a AAA title. Sequels sell well but it takes that one "can't find anywhere else" title to really sell the consoles. The sequels are the supporting players while the new content is the star.
Post by: oompah on August 10, 2003, 11:35:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
If Nintendo want to be successful, they need a new advertising agency. That is all.q]
Took the words right out of my mouth Mario! I'm a nintendo gamer from oz and i'd say that Nintendo of Australia has to wake up and smell the advertising. The website is hardly updated with news and if it is its old! Television ads arn't to be found anywhere and i dont think they know of radio. Promotions are minimal and only seen at the back of stores (EB for instance). I dont know if you agree but i've been happy with all of nintendos systems (although i've never tried out a Virtual Boy :-P) great games only ever come from nintendo. Its just ordinary people actually need to know what the great games are - not just for the people that go searching for them.
Post by: theasylumofthedamned on August 15, 2003, 05:20:35 AM
1. Online play: for some reason, people like these laggy, glitchy, godmoddy pay-out-the-nose crapfests.
2. DVD/CD playback- While DVD's aren't as popular as they were at the PS2's release, i think Nintendo's going to be even more shunned as kiddy if they don't have that apperance of complexity. It sucks, I know, but it seems like Nintendo has to get their fingers into every little pie they possibly can.
3. MAture titles: Give a big pile of money to SK and Retro and wait a year or two. Let them handle the Mature stuff. Mature games with that classic Nintendo innovation. God, that's the good stuff right there.... *Loves Eternal Darkness*
4. Attract 3rd PArties: This is an absolute must if Nintendo wants to shed it's "Stuck in a koopa shell" image.
5. New franchies/rebirth of old ones- Put Zelda and MArio on hold for a bit, and why not bring back the oldskool (albeit hardly remembered) classics like Mach Rider or Kid Icarus for a new generation? *Would really really really like a nuskool Mach Rider game*
6. Advertising- And I mean lots of it. Go on, turn on your TV and watch it for half an hour. When was the last itme you saw a Nintendo comemrcial that DIDN;T advertise the free game/demo disc w/ a Gamecube deal? Answer: MArio Golf, and it's not helping Nintendo's hindering kiddy image either. If Nintendo wants to boost sales, then they've gotta' get up off their lazy hineys and PUSH SOME ****!!! Know what we could all use right now? An F-Zero commerical. Come on, we all want it....
*Whew* There, I'm done. Anyone want to comment?
Post by: Zman on August 24, 2003, 02:03:42 PM
Also, putting pre order bonus disks for almost all the games would be smart. It would increase sales, and publicity.
Post by: norebonomis on August 26, 2003, 02:13:39 PM
