Post by: Berto2K on August 17, 2004, 10:01:34 PM
DS vs PSP
Post by: ruby_onix on August 18, 2004, 02:58:42 AM
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, in case the writer of that piece is lurking in here. I'm just being blunt.
The "Developer Roundtable" was "pretty good". But it'd have been better if I had cared anything about those particular developers.
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, in case the developers are lurking in here. I'm just being blunt. Again.
I haven't read it yet, but I'm hoping/expecting that the "Journalists Unite" segment is going to be better, as I usually find guys like Jonny Metts and Steven Kent interesting.
Sorry IGN reporters. You just suck. ... ... ... What are you looking at? You really do suck.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 18, 2004, 10:28:24 AM
And if I didn't know any better I would say that this is that same one only updated w/ pics
therefore nmaking it about a month or so old
Post by: Berto2K on August 18, 2004, 10:55:52 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on September 21, 2004, 10:20:17 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2004, 11:27:39 AM
Post by: joeamis on September 21, 2004, 07:06:43 PM
Nevermind about that though, I think both will succeed with different markets. I'd say it will be close like the closeness of the GC vs XB and their tie in ratios as well.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on September 22, 2004, 06:42:08 PM
Post by: Gamebasher on September 24, 2004, 06:27:51 AM
Sony can´t beat Nintendo on the pure content of the games. They never will be able to. We´ve seen over the past, say, 5 years, how many games came out on the Ps2, and how few of those could compete with Nintendo´s own. Here I mostly refer to platformers, as there are hardly any driving or fighting games on the GCN, but many of them on Ps2. So it will mostly be the same thing on the PSP. It will boast some neat videostreaming features, direct dvd-viewing etc. But that´s got nothing to do with games!
Nintendo keeps their focus on the games, which makes the NDS far more in line with what this is all about: playing games on the go! People already got mp3 and dvd-players at home (not to mention how much the latest mobilephones have of said functions too!), and therefore I think it will be limited what impact those features will have on the overall competitive situation long-term. Then, all it comes down to, is what games the PSP will have, which will be probably as many as will be found on the NDS. Mostly driving games, shooting games and fighting games. But they´re all going to be yesteryear software, whereas Nintendo´s little mobile wonder will be all about new and exciting software which then is the clear winner (the marketstagnation which Miyamoto always talks about, proves that people are tired of samey games, and the PSP will be full of them!!!!!).
Short-term, yes, there will be people who will look on the extra PSP functions. But that´s it! After a while, the genious of the NDS will shine through, and overshadow Sony which will be overtaken eventually in sales by Nintendo.
If anybody is going to sink to hell, it´s going to be Sony! Allthough I don´t wish it for any of them!
Post by: couchmonkey on September 24, 2004, 06:43:51 AM
I personally hope for Sony to have just slight success... enough to force Nintendo to be more competitive with it's handheld product but not enough to be considered much of a success for Sony.
Post by: Ness_the_Mess on September 25, 2004, 06:24:53 PM
The one thing I see the PSP has going for it: I would like to bet that the PS3 will play PSP games. I don't think that will happen with the DS/N5. However, the DS already will have a couple thousand games for it.
So, in conclusion, if you have lots of money and want to play console games while you're walking around, get PSP. If you want to play fun games, get DS.
No, I am not a nintendo fanboy. This is just my very honest opinion.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on September 25, 2004, 06:51:07 PM
Post by: joeamis on September 25, 2004, 07:24:41 PM
Post by: MysticGohan24 on September 25, 2004, 07:51:10 PM
You'll see rpg's out the ying yang for DS. You do realise that in order to have the MP3 part, you will need to buy sony's memory sticks. heh expensive, let alone that $300-$400 price on PSP.
I rather have something original
Post by: KDR_11k on September 25, 2004, 09:41:23 PM
Post by: joeamis on October 01, 2004, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: ABlueflameA on October 01, 2004, 09:12:34 AM
2-4 hour battery life is the current prediction
349.99 is the current price predition
My money is going to the DS, and im not just a Nintendo fan boy anymore, I own all 3 current generation systems.
-Blue
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2004, 09:41:50 AM
But the PSP is a HANDHELD...
Post by: MysticGohan24 on October 01, 2004, 09:49:09 AM
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I guess you guys didn't read much about TGS then. And funny how you list the PSP to cost between $300-$400. And big deal you might have to buy a sony memory stick, that's like complaining about memory cards for consoles...
Heh that may be, but none of my memory cards cost over 30 dollars. and this is a friggin handheld not a console.
It's not funny how "we" list the PSP, it's about accurate, you'll see
Post by: NWR_Lindy on October 01, 2004, 01:08:12 PM
PSP is hot though. That screen is awesome. Price point will be big...I think when the DS was announced at $149.99, a lot of people jumped on its bandwagon. If the PSP price point is too high, you might see a lot of people jumping off its bandwagon.
Even if PSP is cheaper than $349.99, it still won't include the pack-ins that the DS has (Pictochat, Metroid Demo). DS is one hell of a deal for $149.99. On top of that, the DS has that buzz factor that's really intrigued the public.
silks
Post by: kurst_chao3030 on October 01, 2004, 05:24:22 PM
Post by: Garnia on October 03, 2004, 01:45:09 PM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on October 03, 2004, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: kurst_chao3030 on October 03, 2004, 03:39:13 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 03, 2004, 09:15:20 PM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on October 04, 2004, 05:30:32 AM
Post by: animex on October 04, 2004, 06:07:18 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 04, 2004, 07:54:54 AM
Imagine:
DS could be the first system to do First Person Fighters right. Top Screen can show where you are in the ring, and health.
Bottom screen you use your fingers to Box the other player. And area to block can be in the lower corner you press with both fingers to block. An area on the side of the screen can be press to do side steps. Perfect Punch Out design, or other boxing games.
2D fighters could ROCK on this system.
Imagine A 2D game where you are fighting on the top screen Bottom screen is for tag team special attacks and switching out.
A quick tap on your partners hand switchs the players out. And more advanced touch screen movements could activate special partner special attacks.
Last, when you have an opening in the battle on top screen do an attack then send your partner in not to attack the top screen, but to attack on the bottom screen opponents partner.
So now you are juggling between two fights. The top one being the main battle and the bottom being a side bout.
PSP couldn't do that.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on October 04, 2004, 08:20:26 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on October 04, 2004, 09:14:28 AM
For boxin games, the bottom touch screen can be used for info and in between rounds. Lets say in between rounds the bottom screen has a frontal view of the fighter sittin on his chair. With the stylus you could go and grab the water bottle to give the fighter water, cut him if need be, try and seal cuts and whatnot. They can also use the old punchout look since you into the old school. Bottom screen will be the behind the back view from punchout and the top will be like the sports broadcast of it, with replays and all the commentary. You can take your psp if you want to settle for the basics.
IMO the psp is dead out the gate and no I aint biast. I am a nintendo fanboy at heart but I do own all the systems cuase they all serve their purposes. If it comes out over 200 dollars then it'll be too much and the only people that'll buy it are the tech heads that always need the new stuff or the sony fanboys that'll buy anything with a sony logo on it. So far speculation is that its goin to run in at 350, god help sony if thats true. Also, battery life is goin to SEVERELY cripple the psp. From what I read, predictions so far are about 6 hrs for games if I remember correctly and bout 2 hrs for movies, cant remember how much for music though. If that holds true and it trully is 2 hrs for movies then they might as well not even include the featuere. What if your watchin a 2+ hr movie? Near the climax of lord of the rings you goin to want to charge the batter of your psp so you can finish the last half 4 or so hours later? right, I just might do that. Then you have to get into the idea of havin to buy the movies and albums you already have on that umd thing just so you can take it on the road. Sh*ts just gettin out of hand.
Sony is just becoming another MS tryin to force products onto us to make them standards. They doin wit with the psp and its umds (if thats what the format is called) and they goin to do it to the industry with the ps3 and blue ray discs. Anyways, more power to you though, I hope you enjoy your psp when its charging while I play my DS and a few extra games for the same price you payed for your psp.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on October 04, 2004, 11:07:57 AM
BTW your statements are very fanboyish, as are mine. I lov fighting games, they're the reason I started gaming and the reason I still am. While a DOA/SC game on DS would be nice nothing beats the thrill of unleashing a 49 hit combo all 2D like. If capcom decides to port the vs. series over to PSP then it'll be worth the price of admission and the extreme health risc of having hte umd light on fire and the screen explode in a flamable ball of death.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on October 04, 2004, 12:06:51 PM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on October 04, 2004, 01:40:43 PM
Post by: Perfect Cell on October 04, 2004, 01:57:09 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on October 04, 2004, 02:06:29 PM
As for team ninja, true nintendo fanboys should know who they are as they are the ones that made all the ninja gaiden games back for the nes. DOA3 isnt their best work either, its just a pretty game, I'll take street fighter, soul caliber, or vurtua fighter over it anyday. You gotta remember, graphics dont mean much when it comes to portable gaming. There have been many portable systems out before that have eclipsed the gameboy graphic wise and have all failed. The key to success in the portable market is low cost, ease of use and accesability. The psp is a nice system but it way ahead of its time and tryin to accomplish too much. You do have a point in sayin that alot of developers will be forced to use the double screen and touch option and all that with there games but thats only the first wave of games. After a while, the novelty will die down and developers will be left to do as they please with the system.
Post by: Ness_the_Mess on October 04, 2004, 02:53:20 PM
PSP has a wider screen, and is more powerfull.
DS has about double the battery life of PSP, about 1.8x the screen (when you count both), a touch screen, a microphone, and has over 100 developers, while PSP has exactly 99. It also costs 200 dollars less ...
Speaking of price, the DS will be $200CAN, and the PSP will likely be 450 or 500CAN. That, my friend, is horrible.
Post by: joeamis on October 04, 2004, 03:02:51 PM
I don't see truth, how you can say if it's over 200 only techheads will buy it, when the DS is going to cost 150. The PSP is going for an older demographic, who have more money that a purchase of a PSP at say 200-250 is actually less of an investment for them than the DS at 150 is for it's major demographic. And I don't see how people say the DS can do anything the PSP can do as far as games. The specs of the system alone make that not true, and the medium for PSP games is over 12 times as much data you can fit on a DS cart. As far as battery life well yea it's still an issue, but if it does turn out to be 2-6 hours, that's not all that bad for what it's running, compared to 6-10 for a cart system. If developers wanted to they could have games come out on memory sticks at the same size of DS memory or larger and not have to run the disc drive on the PSP at all. It would be great for ports of DS games and compilations of old games. And the battery life would probably then equal the DS's.
I'm just not sold on a 2nd screen and stylus control, especially since it's being said every DS game may include regular controls for people who are left handed. Even without that, I like my games with the controls that have been 'perfected' since the NES, and I love analog control, I just don't see some of my favorite genres like racing, fps, and simulations as much fun without analog control. I certainly don't want to have to race with a stylus while holding the DS in place with my left hand and also using my left hand to manipulate the digital pad. And I wouldn't want my hud on a separate screen for a fps or racing game, especially fast multiplayer ones.
Post by: Ness_the_Mess on October 04, 2004, 03:16:33 PM
Also, the DS's main demographic is NOT children. It is made more universally, and it's main demographic is ACTUALLY males 16-23. Not really adults, but not children either, mind you. These people have access to the money to buy a psp. But just because you CAN spend the extra 200 american/300 canadian, it doesn't mean you have to. I could either A) Buy a PSP or B) Buy a DS and 3/4 games. I would choose the DS, if that were the only thing in question. Then there's the graffics question. A PSP can run PS2 games, basically (it's a little less, but w/e). A DS can run 64 games (again, a little more, but w/e). On screens of that size, the difference will be quite minute. Also, it is a portable, meaing that the average owner will not be enthralled with their system, since they are probably multi-tasking, with the game being only part of their attention. They will not stare into the screen and notice minute graffical genious. Really.
This is why people say the difference is neglagable. They aren't saying that the DS is just as powerfull, but when you think about it, the difference doesn't really matter.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on October 04, 2004, 03:23:33 PM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on October 04, 2004, 03:23:39 PM
I don't have a problem with the D-pad, in fact I prefer the D-pad to the analog stick. Any game that lets me use my d-pad I i use it. The PSP can't do fps justice either without the second analog unless they go goldeneye with the control scheme which is probobly what most DS fps will do. Hopefully nintendo will make an amazing game that doesn't use the touch screen, or only uses one screen, to show others that they don't have to use all the features and won't be hurt for not doing it.
Post by: MysticGohan24 on October 04, 2004, 03:33:36 PM
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Big deal you have to buy a memory card, it's such an outrage because it's a portable? It uses discs how else would you save games? And since it supports 2.0 usb connection to ps2 and pc's you can probably put extra save files on atleast pc's if not ps2 as well. You're already saying the memory card/stick's will cost $30 even though there hasn't been anything to base that off except what memory sticks cost for cameras.
I don't see truth, how you can say if it's over 200 only techheads will buy it, when the DS is going to cost 150. The PSP is going for an older demographic, who have more money that a purchase of a PSP at say 200-250 is actually less of an investment for them than the DS at 150 is for it's major demographic. And I don't see how people say the DS can do anything the PSP can do as far as games. The specs of the system alone make that not true, and the medium for PSP games is over 12 times as much data you can fit on a DS cart. As far as battery life well yea it's still an issue, but if it does turn out to be 2-6 hours, that's not all that bad for what it's running, compared to 6-10 for a cart system. If developers wanted to they could have games come out on memory sticks at the same size of DS memory or larger and not have to run the disc drive on the PSP at all. It would be great for ports of DS games and compilations of old games. And the battery life would probably then equal the DS's.
I'm just not sold on a 2nd screen and stylus control, especially since it's being said every DS game may include regular controls for people who are left handed. Even without that, I like my games with the controls that have been 'perfected' since the NES, and I love analog control, I just don't see some of my favorite genres like racing, fps, and simulations as much fun without analog control. I certainly don't want to have to race with a stylus while holding the DS in place with my left hand and also using my left hand to manipulate the digital pad. And I wouldn't want my hud on a separate screen for a fps or racing game, especially fast multiplayer ones.
You know, the more and more you rant. The more you sound like a sony fanboy harping on anybody who likes to point out the good features of the DS and the flaws of the psp.
We know what will be.... will be. If you don't wanna believe you can always stick your hands over your ears and hum till the release of the psp, and god knows when that'll be.
I'm sorry, but unless no feature of the DS is being used, I doubt we'll see ports of DS games to PSP, that seems highly unlikely.
You have no idea how the games will work, but I know that the RPG/RTS genre will be greatly enhanced on the DS thanks to the touch screen.
something the psp can't do.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on October 04, 2004, 03:35:53 PM
EDIT: Team Ninja is only credited with givin the xbox life in japan, thats there biggest contribution. The big titty girls of DOA is huge in japan and so is ninja gaiden. As for rpgs and strategy games, I cant wait, there so much that can be done on the DS in regards to those. Also sports games can get a real boost in micromanagement.
Post by: joeamis on October 04, 2004, 05:24:14 PM
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I would like to ask you, politely, how it is you think they would port DS games? They have to cut half the screen and take out the touch support.
Also, the DS's main demographic is NOT children. It is made more universally, and it's main demographic is ACTUALLY males 16-23. Not really adults, but not children either, mind you. These people have access to the money to buy a psp. Also, it is a portable, meaing that the average owner will not be enthralled with their system, since they are probably multi-tasking, with the game being only part of their attention. They will not stare into the screen and notice minute graffical genious. Really.
the difference doesn't really matter.
I'm not saying they would port all ds games, but they could port ones that didn't use the two screens in a way that the psp could not. And they could port alot of games that have touch support (some not, that use it intensively), by just creating new controls. Besides it is said alot of DS games will have regular controls as a 2nd option because of left handed people, as I mentioned earlier.
I never said the DS demographic is children. But the DS demographic is a younger one than the psp's, we've heard that from the beginning. I don't know where you got the ages 16-23. I didn't say DS owners don't have access to the money to buy a psp, I said for psp buyers being an older demographic the extra money is actually less of their disposable income than ds buyers demographic. I don't see how playing a portable is just multitasking and you don't notice how good the game plays or looks.
Truth, the extra memory available for games doesn't just come down to better graphics. Extra memory can go a long ways in other parts of the game. Especially artificial intelligence. In some games that can be a big factor, like fps, simulations, and racing games, some of my fav genres that I stated earlier as why I like the psp. Theres tons of things extra memory can let you do, I won't get into that discussion.
mysticgohan, I'm entitled to my own opinion thank you. I wouldn't say people are just pointing out the good points of the ds and the flaws of the psp. Rather people are exaggerating the flaws they believe the psp will have. "You know what will be.... will be" yes so you're really saying you know that the psp is going to cost 200 more than the ds, you know the battery life, etc etc. Unless you're a psychic, you don't know what will be.... will be. You antagonizing me is only going to result in me being more voicefull. I really like how you say, "You have no idea..." (referrring to me) and "but I know..." (referring to you). You're the almighty knowing master and I know nothing at all. Then you should've known already that I think rts games on ds will obliterate rts games on psp.
Regaring Halo and XB, I agree it's responsible for a large portion of XB sales. But pointing out that it was not added to the platinum hits long after it's release shouldn't be an argument because every console company this generation has done that. SSBM is still $29.99, and it's players choice. Infact Nintendo has gone and made 2 different players choice prices for a number of games with some being $19.99 (F-Zero GX) and others being $29.99 (Mario Golf TT). And the games I used as examples went to players choice at the same time. Sony has done the same regarding keeping games at the higher prices longer, just not as bad as N and MS in appearance, but given their larger user base it would equate to just as bad.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on October 04, 2004, 05:37:42 PM
mp3 playback: This is more or less a useless feature to the ds becuase most of the people that listen to mp3s on the go, burn their own music. How many people are goin to want to get a psp to listen to music when they find out they cant listen to their huge list of already burnt music. The usual consumer will lean towards a regular mp3 player so they can transfer their music with ease instead of having to purchase an album on a umd. Unless they let you use the memory sticks to burn songs and then listen to them from there, then it'll work but I dont know the details. If anyone knows, fill me in.
Movie playback: How many companies do you honestly think are goin to re-reliease their movies on umd for sony (besides sony themselves) Why is someone goin to buy the psp to watch movies when their selection of movies is goin to be severly limited, thus making buyin a portable dvd player a better choice. Same with music, if sony doesnt permit burning of mp3s to memory sticks on the psp then what companies are goin to be willin to put money into re-releasing albums on umd.
Those to hurdles will leave you with basically just a portable game system that runs around 300 to 350, assuming it stays within that range. Given the extra graphics and all that, the price is a lil too steap for just video game playin on the go. I aint 100 percent familiar with their plan so anyone in the know, fill me in on whats goin on in regards to their mp3 and movie playback features.
Post by: Perfect Cell on October 04, 2004, 08:08:21 PM
Its that same sort of idea, that sinks the Gamecube, with the Crappy Kiddy Comments... I dont think Nintendo is going for the "Younger" Demographic by making WIFI and Internet gaming an important part of the DS. I dont think Nintendo is going for the Younger Demographic by making Metroid, its Main Game, its pictured on the DS Box...
They didnt make Mario 64x4 the Demo... they made Metroid the Demo... So Going "Kiddy" Is not what Nintendo wants... Its not their fault, they can give consumers a much affordable gaming experience than its competitors.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on October 05, 2004, 06:48:48 AM
Post by: Renny on October 05, 2004, 12:27:45 PM
The PSP will play music from the memory card. I don't think there are any tentative UMD music releases at this point.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on October 05, 2004, 12:42:14 PM
