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« Reply #200 on: January 29, 2008, 08:01:49 AM »
As far as I know Ganondorf's Clone status is just speculation right now.  Most people think so just because he is devoid of a sword.
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« Reply #201 on: January 29, 2008, 08:25:14 AM »
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I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?



As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.



And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.



The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?


I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as a Falcon knockoff? Ugh. I take it that people are going to ticked off to find out they changed the movesets a bit with characters like Mario right?  
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« Reply #202 on: January 29, 2008, 08:29:13 AM »
lol it'd be funny that for his final smash he gets bowser mechanics, and the thing about clones is...they play different. Their nopt exact clones and never have been, ganondorf was slower then fox, but was stronger..there were a few other things he could do that falcon couldn't. Heck what would be coolest is if his moveset constantly changes..he starts off playing like an fire emblem character..at some point if he is thrown off he loses his sword and plays like melee classic, and then for final smash he becomes ganon which would be like bowser..that would rule..i doubt thats how it is though.  
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« Reply #203 on: January 29, 2008, 08:31:30 AM »
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I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?







As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.







And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.







The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?




I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as Falcon? Ugh.



What I'm saying is is if Sakurai and his team thought there was a better set of moves to give to him, they probably would have. The boss battles with Ganondorf in the Zelda games were exciting, sure, but he didn't have a lot of moves they would translate to a fighting game they aren't already represented with his Falcon-esque brawling moves.

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« Reply #204 on: January 29, 2008, 08:35:05 AM »
It's kinda sinking in now.

But I'm still holding out for the LAST character to be someone other than Wolf and instead a TRUE WTF character.

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« Reply #205 on: January 29, 2008, 08:38:21 AM »
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I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?















As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.















And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.















The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?








I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as Falcon? Ugh.






What I'm saying is is if Sakurai and his team thought there was a better set of moves to give to him, they probably would have. The boss battles with Ganondorf in the Zelda games were exciting, sure, but he didn't have a lot of moves they would translate to a fighting game they aren't already represented with his Falcon-esque brawling moves.


Well you are being respectful so I'll respectfully respond back. I don't buy the explanation that Ganondorf couldn't be changed and still work. Heck if anything they should have given him his lightning ball that you can bat around. They could have been creative with other aspects as well, heck even giving him a sword would have been a change since he has had one in the last two games.  
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« Reply #206 on: January 29, 2008, 08:40:27 AM »
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« Reply #207 on: January 29, 2008, 08:46:05 AM »
I'm guessing the final unlockable will be that weird blue thing, Tabuu or whatever.

There's no reason to make it this hard to unlock whatever it is unless it's "special".
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« Reply #208 on: January 29, 2008, 08:57:25 AM »
Yeah I've been looking at the screen shots and most are awesome.
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« Reply #209 on: January 29, 2008, 09:01:23 AM »
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I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?







As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.







And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.







The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?




I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as a Falcon knockoff? Ugh. I take it that people are going to ticked off to find out they changed the movesets a bit with characters like Mario right?


I assume the only other option would be to remove Ganondorf at this point.  Yes, they had all kinds of possibilities for a moveset and yes, he is an important character in Nintendo games but they chose to focus on other things rather than Ganondorf.  Anyway, why are you so sure that he is a clone?

And could we start a spoiler thread with only pictures please?  I dont want to see any pictures from the SSE unless I choose to.  I just want to know the full roster.

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« Reply #210 on: January 29, 2008, 09:03:10 AM »
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I'm guessing the final unlockable will be that weird blue thing, Tabuu or whatever.

There's no reason to make it this hard to unlock whatever it is unless it's "special".


If he's an unlockable character, then Brawl will be following the fighter's tradition: Have a boss like character that is all blue and/or shiny, hard to unlock and insanely powerful...

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« Reply #211 on: January 29, 2008, 09:19:02 AM »
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I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?































As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.































And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.































The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?
















I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as Falcon? Ugh.












What I'm saying is is if Sakurai and his team thought there was a better set of moves to give to him, they probably would have. The boss battles with Ganondorf in the Zelda games were exciting, sure, but he didn't have a lot of moves they would translate to a fighting game they aren't already represented with his Falcon-esque brawling moves.




Well you are being respectful so I'll respectfully respond back. I don't buy the explanation that Ganondorf couldn't be changed and still work. Heck if anything they should have given him his lightning ball that you can bat around. They could have been creative with other aspects as well, heck even giving him a sword would have been a change since he has had one in the last two games.



And I will respectfully disagree. The lightning bat thing is only cool is Link is batting things back to him, and you can't have that kind of interaction in a free-for-all fighting game. I can see where you're disappointed, but I'm honestly not. We didn't even know he was back in the game as of last night, and what they had him do in Melee satisfied my expectations of the character in a fighting game. Link's the more interesting fighter out of the two, anyway; Ganondorf's just cool as a character, and as such, they gave him good facetime in SSE, as it seems.

Also I just realized why Ridley isn't in the game: Charizard. They'd control almost exactly the same, I think, and it'd lessen the coolness of the Pokemon trainer if they had doubles. Just be happy he's in the game at all...

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« Reply #212 on: January 29, 2008, 09:26:42 AM »
Has Wolf been revealed yet?
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« Reply #213 on: January 29, 2008, 09:30:54 AM »
No, closest I've seen so far is this pretty fake-looking image that includes Gulliver in his possible spot.


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« Reply #214 on: January 29, 2008, 09:35:36 AM »
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No, closest I've seen so far is this pretty fake-looking image that includes Gulliver in his possible spot.






Who is Gulliver?  All I see is someone named Johnny.  Edit: just figured out.  He is from Animal Crossing.

Edit:  Any why is some writing in english and some in Japanese(sp)?  

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« Reply #215 on: January 29, 2008, 09:53:16 AM »
That's just how the developers made it; it was the same way in Melee...
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« Reply #216 on: January 29, 2008, 09:53:21 AM »
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I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?





































As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.







































And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.










































The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?




























I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as Falcon? Ugh.






















What I'm saying is is if Sakurai and his team thought there was a better set of moves to give to him, they probably would have. The boss battles with Ganondorf in the Zelda games were exciting, sure, but he didn't have a lot of moves they would translate to a fighting game they aren't already represented with his Falcon-esque brawling moves.











Well you are being respectful so I'll respectfully respond back. I don't buy the explanation that Ganondorf couldn't be changed and still work. Heck if anything they should have given him his lightning ball that you can bat around. They could have been creative with other aspects as well, heck even giving him a sword would have been a change since he has had one in the last two games.










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« Reply #217 on: January 29, 2008, 10:18:09 AM »
I have read through most of the comments and while I do understand the outrage, especially in regards to Ganondorf being a possible clone again, I feel most people are being a little... finicky, for lack of a better word.

Besides Ganondorf though my major problem is that if they were going to include "clones", why not just bring back all the characters? Whenever I talked to my friends about the possibility of someone being cut out they would get extremely upset, while the mention of more clones only got a moderate grown. I also have a lot friends who liked Roy (and I like Pichu), were are they left in this? If Ganondorf is going to be a clone and the defense is because people where used to him that way, but other clones are missing, it just does not make any sense.

I find the roster as a whole to be fairly awesome, and while there are a few characters that I would have liked (Ridley, Takamaru, and Mach Rider as the new Falcon clone) it seems to have enough variety for me to be happy. And why all the R.O.B. hate? He could be an awesome, and in all probability, unique fighter, plus he was an early mascot for the NES (he was featured very prominently in the first commercials).  
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« Reply #218 on: January 29, 2008, 10:19:35 AM »
Haha, Gulliver would be awesome. If true, that'd be a sweet final character reveal.

Hey, what if Gulliver turns out to be the mastermind behind the SSE? I mean, the REAL mastermind? It would be pretty hilarious, if you ask me, and TOTALLY unpredicted.

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« Reply #219 on: January 29, 2008, 10:49:11 AM »
Wow, just wow.

Some of you are as ungrateful as hell.  Baww Sakurai didn't make the game exactly like I wanted it to be so now it sucks.  Some of you need to realise that Sakurai isn't making this game just for you, he's making it for the millions of different gamers around the world that have many different taste.  Out side from having 3 Star Fox characters, the rest of the roaster is very good with lots of variety and much better representation of all the series then Melee did.  Even though I would have wanted Ridley to be playable, at least he looks like a truly badass boss fight which makes me happy.

Oh and even if Ganondorf and Falco aend up being clones, that's still 33 unique characters in the game, which is still 14 more unique characters then Melee had.  Actually if you want to get really technical and count all the different movesets as characters then Brawl really has 37 unique movesets which is 17 more then Melee had.

Plus lets not forget Ganondorf and Falco haven't been confirmed as clones yet.  So far we haven't seen any video's of them in action.  So for some of you to jump the gun like you have, is how should I say, rather stupid.
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« Reply #220 on: January 29, 2008, 10:58:57 AM »
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Wow, just wow.



Some of you are as ungrateful as hell.  Baww Sakurai didn't make the game exactly like I wanted it to be so now it sucks.  Some of you need to realise that Sakurai isn't making this game just for you, he's making it for the millions of different gamers around the world that have many different taste.  Out side from having 3 Star Fox characters, the rest of the roaster is very good with lots of variety and much better representation of all the series then Melee did.  Even though I would have wanted Ridley to be playable, at least he looks like a truly badass boss fight which makes me happy.



Oh and even if Ganondorf and Falco aend up being clones, that's still 33 unique characters in the game, which is still 14 more unique characters then Melee had.  Actually if you want to get really technical and count all the different movesets as characters then Brawl really has 37 unique movesets which is 17 more then Melee had.



Plus lets not forget Ganondorf and Falco haven't been confirmed as clones yet.  So far we haven't seen any video's of them in action.  So for some of you to jump the gun like you have, is how should I say, rather stupid.


Sure is alot of name calling. From what I understand a source stated that Ganondorf is in fact a clone, and I see no reason to doubt it since most things are pointing to that whether it be be his stance being unchanged or the lack of a sword. Ganondorf if he does turn out to be a clone would be very frustrating because they've had two chances at it and two more Zelda games to determine a unique move list. Also once again I don't believe anyone here said Brawl sucks now, that is exaggerating quite a bit, being critical of aspects of the game does not mean you hate the game as a whole.
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« Reply #221 on: January 29, 2008, 10:59:27 AM »
I've noticed Captain Falcon is in the game, so I suppose I'll have to buy this atrocity.

I also noticed WW Link is in it too, along with WW Super-Slicer Ganon, so I guess this game does have some redeeming qualities.
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« Reply #222 on: January 29, 2008, 11:27:52 AM »
What I don't get:

Why take out Mewtwo?  Why take out Dr. Mario?  Why take out Roy? Pichu?  I know players didn't like them, but it was because they were clones, right?  So they were taken out because they were clones, right?  So then, why does Ness have Lucas's final smash?  Why does Falco have Fox's final smash?  Aren't they clones?

And we're hearing Ganondorf is likely a clone, too.  So I repeat, why not just leave the old clones in?

And then, of course, there's Mewtwo, who had no reason for removal, as far as I can tell.

Aside from that, there's one issue I have.  Melee was rushed and still featured an entirely new engine, 29 stages, several new items, and 18 (or 19, depending on how you feel about Luigi) completely unique movesets.  Brawl supposedly has 41 stages, only 12 more than Melee, but reuses at least six of Melee's stages, probably has 30 unique movesets, again not counting situations like Luigi's, and the only vastly improved feature is the sheer volume of items and assists trophies and also songs.

So I want to know why there's only twelve new movesets, why there's only forty-one stages, and things like this.  I think it's pretty obvious that too much time was spent on the Subspace Emissary.  I don't think this is a mode that's going to stand the test of time.  I don't think it's something people are going to sit down and play a year from now, and I don't think there's even that many bosses in it from what I've seen, so all-in-all, I think they wasted development time on the entire thing.  Granted, I didn't see what happened in between when Ganondorf and Wario became playable and the end, but as far as I saw, we had Petey, Rayquaza, Giant Diddy, some Golem thing, Taboo, and Ridley twice.  This is what I saw when the game was up to about 60% completed.  That's six bosses, not including Ancient Minister, Giant Bowser, and Master Hand, who are likely to be the remaining bosses.  It just doesn't seem like the mode worked out the way it was planned.  Basically, the story works in one of two ways: Characters meet, they join up, then fight together, or Characters meet, fight, then join-up and fight together.  That's just about it, plot-wise.  Honestly, they should have cut out all of the bland-looking side-scrolling stages for an extra boss, character, or whatever.

I'm just disappointed, because, to me, it felt like we were offered much more than it looks like we're getting.  I don't know what my official reaction is going to be, if a person can even have an "official" reaction.  I know I feel burned because Sakurai forgot that Smash, at heart, has always been a game based on multi-player, but I want to find a way to rectify this.  I'm hoping Nintendo announces downloadable characters, or something like that, in effort to calm negative reaction from raised expectations, but I doubt that will happen.  Maybe we'll see new stage ingredients added at some time.  Maybe there's actually forty characters, with a new column being added, I don't know, but I'm going to figure out what I can do to tell Nintendo I want more.  35 characters is not "unprecedented" for a game like Smash Bros.  It's wholly underwhelming, especially when everything new was announced well before-hand.  41 stages is not "unprecedented."  We were told to expect amazing amounts, and we're not getting them, which is why I'm upset.

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« Reply #223 on: January 29, 2008, 11:29:36 AM »
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Sure is alot of name calling. From what I understand a source stated that Ganondorf is in fact a clone, and I see no reason to doubt it since most things are pointing to that whether it be be his stance being unchanged or the lack of a sword. Ganondorf if he does turn out to be a clone would be very frustrating because they've had two chances at it and two more Zelda games to determine a unique move list. Also once again I don't believe anyone here said Brawl sucks now, that is exaggerating quite a bit, being critical of aspects of the game does not mean you hate the game as a whole.

The only source on Ganondorf so far is one image of him without his sword.  That doesn't mean anything about him being a clone when there's another image of him turning into Ganon for his Final Smash.

Does anyone stop to thing that maybe Ganondorfs sword is just used for one of his special attacks?  Since so many people have been complaining about too many sword users, maybe Sakurai decided to have Ganondorf's physical attacks not use a sword as to not over do sword users.  For all we know maybe Ganondorf's A normal attacks could still be similar to Captain Falcon but his B special attacks could be unique ones that involve magic and his sword.

Once again until theres's actual proof that Ganondorf is a clone, then anyone complaining about it is jumping the gun.  
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« Reply #224 on: January 29, 2008, 11:46:27 AM »
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I'm just disappointed, because, to me, it felt like we were offered much more than it looks like we're getting.  I don't know what my official reaction is going to be, if a person can even have an "official" reaction.  I know I feel burned because Sakurai forgot that Smash, at heart, has always been a game based on multi-player, but I want to find a way to rectify this.  I'm hoping Nintendo announces downloadable characters, or something like that, in effort to calm negative reaction from raised expectations, but I doubt that will happen.  Maybe we'll see new stage ingredients added at some time.  Maybe there's actually forty characters, with a new column being added, I don't know, but I'm going to figure out what I can do to tell Nintendo I want more.  35 characters is not "unprecedented" for a game like Smash Bros.  It's wholly underwhelming, especially when everything new was announced well before-hand.  41 stages is not "unprecedented."  We were told to expect amazing amounts, and we're not getting them, which is why I'm upset.


Alright, then do you have some medication you can take? I usually have some Alka-Seltzer when I got emotionally upset over not having enough playable characters in an upcoming video game, though I'm sure everybody has their own methods.

And if your argument is "i think they're ripping me off because, even though they're giving me new characters and new stages, it doesn't hold up to the exact number I would consider 'unprecedented'", then you're just never going to be satisfied in life, now are you? And Subspace Emissary looks great; the fact that they came up with that and 35 new stages AND a dozen new characters is impressive.

It's people like you that rip the fun out of these things. Remember back in the day when Smash Bros. was just 12 characters and a handful of blocky stages?