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Title: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 11, 2008, 09:22:28 PM
So I saw the movie today (cuz I'm a G 8)), and I must say, it's pretty damn good. However, there are three things that bugged with this movie. And just so you know, I loved Casino Royale.
Too much action, not enough story. I never thought as an action loving man that I might say this, but it's true. Bond's character is decidedly monochromatic during the entire movie apart from the last 5 minutes. I was aching for some sort of quip or sign of vast intelligence that only a Bond could possess.
Not enough sex. Bond's a spy first and a player second. But this movie undermines his ability to captivate women, but I guess it did fit the storyline.
He's not slick at all. It made for some great scenes, but Bond isn't slick at all. He's always knee deep in ****.
The movie is badass and I suggest it to everyone. There's some intense moments and hilarious deaths. But most of all, Daniel Craig makes Jason Bourne look like a child with a water pistol.
Title: Re: Quantom of Solace
Post by: MaleficentOgre on November 11, 2008, 09:27:37 PM
you made me want to see this movie even more. That poker scene in casino royale lasted way too long. Less story more action is what I want cause the action in casino royale was stunning.
Title: Re: Quantom of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 11, 2008, 09:28:36 PM
oh, so he's just Rambo in a tuxedo now?
Just remember he'll never escape his shadow: (http://i38.tinypic.com/5368eu.jpg)
Title: Re: Quantom of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 11, 2008, 09:35:21 PM
Well, no. He's still intelligent and able to form a sentence. He's just much more brutal. Actually, the thing that fascinates me about this movie is the wide range of possibilities for the next movie in the series. There's so much potential.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Khushrenada on November 11, 2008, 11:37:54 PM
As I've stated for awhile, this was the third film I've been anticipating this year. Just a few more days and the wait is over. But now I'm curious as to what the wide range of possibilities is.
Regardless, without having seen the movie, I will make a couple of points.
It's been said that with the writer's strike, that affected why there is very little story in this Bond movie. It's also a short film which again lends credence to the fact that the writer's strike may have hurt it with it's rush to get developed. Hopefully that problem will be correct for the future Bond films.
Also, the producers have been saying for awhile that there wouldn't be much bedroom action for Bond because of the circumstances of the last movie.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 11, 2008, 11:54:11 PM
I see. Well I guess there's a good reason for all of my points.
It's a good movie though. I happen to think Casino Royale is better just for the effect it had on turning the Bond series on it's head, but this is by no means a bad movie.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: DAaaMan64 on November 11, 2008, 11:55:22 PM
What were the circumstances of the last movie?
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2008, 01:00:17 AM
Lots of flesh flapping.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 01:10:06 AM
You should just watch Casino Royale. It's fucking great.
Bond is betrayed by the love of his life, Vesper. She was plotting to steal his winnings from the poker game in order to save her long time boyfriend from blackmailers and release him from captivity. Bond found out and ran after her. He looked out on her as she started the transaction with her blackmailers but soon gets made. As all hell breaks loose, Vesper becomes trapped in a watery tome. There was a possibility of her being rescued, but she chose to die in order to spare Bond the agony of deceit. Bond still manages to bring her to the surface, but soon realizes he is too late.
And now, in this movie, Bond is a cold, heartless killer looking for one thing; Revenge.
Oh and by the way, the main "hot" chick, Olga Kurylenko, is stunning.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: King of Twitch on November 12, 2008, 01:14:57 AM
No one could be more stunning than Vesper. Her beauty could end a thousand years of darkness.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 01:18:57 AM
I'm sorry, but there is no comparison. Olga is wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy hotter. They're both gorgeous though.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: King of Twitch on November 12, 2008, 01:21:01 AM
I'm not saying this to be funny but her head looks photoshopped on
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
Ok.............
Just watch the movie. You'll see the error in your ways.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2008, 01:28:08 AM
Fun tip: Olga is naked in the "Hitman" movie.
I tried selling Hitman to GameStop today, but they terminated their DVD trade-ins some time ago. I need to find this awful movie a new home.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 01:34:06 AM
LOL
I like how "Hitman" knocks her out as he's about to get laid. Actually, that pissed me off. No "Hitman" would ever do that................unless he were.......gay!
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 12, 2008, 09:52:39 AM
Just watch the movie. You'll see the error in your ways.
I'm not sure if she's the one i heard about but... some new chick in this Bond movie was born with an extra finger! I saw it on some promo for the movie where they interviewed her.. or maybe i read it.. **** i cant remember but yeah, she was born with some sort of "deformity" thats will never change her hotness.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 11:30:57 AM
Ya, it was another chick, not Olga. Her name in the movie is Ms. Fields and she was born with six fingers on both hands. They dealt with them right out of the womb.
She's also gorgeous btw.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 12, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
Ok so she's the one. I remember seeing a picture of her and yes, stunningly beautiful. So far these "Bond Babes" are hotter than any of the ones in the past.
Man i could go for some Smirnoff right now.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 11:41:44 AM
I could too....
I wish it was Thursday.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 12, 2008, 01:04:20 PM
Why thursday? I'll probably open up some smirnoff when i get off work.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 01:25:15 PM
Unlike your alcoholic ass, I like to drink with other people. :)
Then again, there is a new SouthPark on tonight......and I usual watch it with all my buddies.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 12, 2008, 01:34:18 PM
I never said i would drink alone, i just said i have some at home. You never know when a party will break out, so i keep the smirnoff handy... plus with smirnoff handy you never know when a party will break out!
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 02:46:43 PM
True. Bitches looooooooove da vodka.
Couple weekends back I met some Serbian girls and they showed me how to really drink vodka; you chase it with pickles. It was disturbing, but pretty damn tasty (I'm a fan of pickles). I've never been one to chase a shot with food (unless it's a lime/lemon/orange); the chewing aspect always bothered me; but I must say, it wasn't bad -- disturbing, yes, but not bad.
Matter of fact, that whole night was disturbing.... I vowed to never hangout with Serbians again.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 12, 2008, 03:16:35 PM
Sounds interesting... i'll have to try that. I'm a fan of pickles (eating the literal, hiding the non-literal).
Oh and to correct your first statement, and make it a lil more PC, it should read:
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Ladies looooooooove da vodka... and anything else that goes in a Long Island Iced Tea.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 03:42:13 PM
Well your in for a surprise. That's how narley eastern Europeans drink their vodka. You know....the type of people that drink vodka on family game shows. Don't say I didn't warn you.
[pimp voice] And I only call them bitches cuz I don't know they're names individually. Holla if you hear me. [/pimp voice]
EDIT: I just found out this Olga chick was in Max Payne as well. It looks like she plays a hooker. No surprise there.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2008, 05:34:42 PM
Is she naked?
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 06:08:17 PM
I have no idea. I don't want to find out either. Max Payne looks terrible.
EDIT: Wait, Max Payne is PG-13. Of course not!
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: IceCold on November 12, 2008, 06:16:54 PM
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But most of all, Daniel Craig makes Jason Bourne look like a child with a water pistol.
What?! Is there anything that rivals the bathroom fight scene between Bourne and Desh in Ultimatum? Because I sincerely doubt that.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 06:27:27 PM
Yes and yes there are.
That fight scene was kick ass, but it doesn't even rival the fight/chase scenes that Casino Royale produced.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 12, 2008, 06:32:48 PM
Meaning the characters are further removed from reality than previous films.
Bond is just another Bruckheimer flick.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 12, 2008, 06:44:33 PM
It's way more realistic than Pierce Brosman's "RUN AWAY FROM THE MAGNIFYING GLASS!"
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Dasmos on November 12, 2008, 09:18:46 PM
Another fun tip: Eva Green is really naked in "The Dreamers" movie.
Really, really naked.
hm.... gotta see that now..
edit: found some pics on google... yumm. as good as i thought<3333
I think she just replaced my old unattainable crush, Sophie (http://images.askmen.com/women/celeb_profiles_actress/pictures/sophie_monk/sophie_monk.jpg) Monk (http://www.goldcoast.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2008/04/01/sophie-monk0104.jpg)
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 13, 2008, 12:44:44 AM
Isn't Eva Green the same chick that was in Kingdom of Heaven?
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: DAaaMan64 on November 15, 2008, 03:21:42 AM
It's a pretty damn good movie. I'm a little confused, and still a little dissapointed at the lack of witty dialogue that Brosnan was so good at.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on November 15, 2008, 03:45:01 AM
Danny-boy is officially the "muscle-headed" James Bond.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: IceCold on November 15, 2008, 04:01:40 AM
That fight scene was kick ass, but it doesn't even rival the fight/chase scenes that Casino Royale produced.
I thought you were talking about QoS. I've watched Casino Royale but I prefer the Bourne movies.
Anyway, just watched the movie. The action scenes were poorly choreographed, the plot was incoherent at times and the pacing was off. Ah well.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 15, 2008, 10:07:55 AM
It's ironic; my problems with the movie stem from Casino Royale. There wasn't much this movie could have been plot wise; it was a little tired, a little simple. I get it Even so, I had a great time though I knew something fundamental was missing.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: MaleficentOgre on November 15, 2008, 11:58:51 AM
I saw it and I loved it. I loved that it didn't feel drawn out. It was just over an hour and a half I think. That's prime movie length for me.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 15, 2008, 08:32:38 PM
Yeah I liked the movie as well. The entire movie was pretty much an action packed ending to Casino Royale, which I thought fit well. Now if the next Bond film focuses on just action instead of plot like this one, it'll be disappointed. Quantum of Solace is the only time I'd allow this to pass since it was finishing up Casino Royale which did a great job with it's plot.
If I had to rank this, I'd put it somewhere in the middle of the Bond series. The movie was flawed, but it had enough good moments to still be quite enjoyable. Even though it doesn't compare to the best Bond films, it certainly is much better then the worst Bond films.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 16, 2008, 01:21:27 AM
i agree with you completely Luigidude. i just saw it and it rocked my socks off. I have this weird man-crush on Daniel Craig, he became one of my favorite Bonds the second i saw Casino Royale and his portrayal in this flick was just as good as his first time in the role.
Oh, and Olga whats-her-face is super yummy on the big screen, so hot i'd even lick that burn on her back ;) lol
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 16, 2008, 11:59:38 PM
I saw this tonight, just a little while ago. Lots of fun. I was having an unexpectedly awesome day and this was a nice way to cap it off. I recommend it to anyone.
Olga Kurylenko is very attractive and I thought she played her part surprisingly well, especially in the fire (the burn scar, by the way, was incredibly sexy; don't ask me why I like scars so much, I don't know why). I especially liked the other girl, Gemma. Not sure why, just did. Maybe something to do with her wearing that coat when she first appears and what the hell is she wearing underneath it? Anything? I hope not. But yeah, she was cute and had a bit more personality to her than Kurylenko (probably a result of the characters they were playing). Eva Green in The Dreamers, on the other hand. . . that's another story entirely.
I thought it rode well off of Casino Royale, in a way that didn't seem like piggybacking but added something to the characters and the narrative. Some of the action scenes were a bit ridiculous and some of the editing was choppy, but that's forgivable. I enjoyed myself a lot and that's what counts.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 17, 2008, 09:30:29 AM
Gemma? I'm assuming thats Strawberry Feild.. yum, she was even hot dead, covered in oil! lol. She was super cute actually, i couldnt get her outta my head after the movie which is never a bad thing. Her smile was pretty..<3
Which action scenes did you think were ridiculous? I didn't feel that way at all, though i was a little dissapointed at some of the CGI that was used, but i guess for a stunt like the one they used it for it was the best bet to have it come off more dynamic on screen, rather than doing it realistically and appearing a little dull the scene i'm refering to is when Bond and Mitchell fall thru a glass ceiling and eventually get caught on ropes
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Smakian on November 17, 2008, 01:08:33 PM
The Bond fan in me liked this a little more than Casino Royale as a return to form. While the previous film was concentrating on rebooting the franchise, it feels like this one goes back to its roots while still retaining the style that made CR so refreshing. It's a bit shallow, sure, but it's not 007 if I don't feel a little bit guilty for enjoying the movie.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 17, 2008, 01:29:42 PM
I'd also like to mention the girl that was bringing the General of Bolivia his beer, she was a cutey too.
Just thought i'd get that out befor we derail the HAWTNESS discussion.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 17, 2008, 02:32:30 PM
Yup, a lot of beautiful women for sure.
I'm glad people enjoyed it as much as I did.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 17, 2008, 03:03:47 PM
and without the enhancments offered by marijuana to boot! :-D
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 17, 2008, 04:42:48 PM
hahaha
I hope some of you went liquored up though. I haven't been to a movie sober since Wall-e (too many kids/parents).
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 17, 2008, 06:59:33 PM
i woulda been liquoured up but i mismanaged my money this week and went there pretty broke. After the tickets ($27.50...) and popcorn/large drink ($10.50....) i was left with... [drumroll]EIGHT DOLLARS TILL WED![/drumroll], and then i used $5 for gas.. lol
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 17, 2008, 07:07:13 PM
27.50?!?!? Good lord, how much are tickets there? Though mine was free, it's 8 bucks here (which I still find fucking ridiculous).
10.50 for some snacks? Haven't you ever heard of bringing your own goodies? A pint of booze, cheetos, and a 20 oz juice would've been cheaper.
At least gas is cheaper now a days.
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Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 17, 2008, 07:17:11 PM
tickets are like 11 or 12 something, i dont even remember i'm used to the price raising by $.25 every fucking year. It came to $27.50 for the two tickets because the theatre we go to tries to be fancy and they have something called a "directors hall". basically its a bigger theatre with comfier seats, and they let you pick your seats. It's spoiled me, because the last time i didnt get tickets for a "directors hall" theatre the movie was ruined by a bunch of kids who snuck in thru the fire exits.
How did they ruin it? Well lets see, it was Shrek 3 (i know, i know..) and about 6 teens casually walk in about 30mins into the movie, and sit next to and around my gf and i. One of them keeps trying to flirt with her, and another wanted to me to catch him up on the movie. Another one actually asked if i was gonna finish my popcorn... Not the best experience i've had. If it wasn't opening day for that damn movie, i woulda caused a bigger scene then i did, but since it was i wanted to respect every other honest person that paid to get in and not ruin their time.
As for snacks, normally i do bring some stuff with me but we just didnt plan it right, so we settled for that expensive crap.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 17, 2008, 07:35:31 PM
Damn that blows. I find it funny how he asked for your popcorn. What a bum.
I feel your pain. My boy had tickets to LOTR: ROTK opening day. We prepared like we always do: Smoke a blunt, grab some snacks, and head over. It took a while, but we finally got in there and all comfortable. Then the movie started.....
25 minutes into the movie, my friend leaves because he is completely sketched out. He had some stanky nuggets and they were burning a hole in his pocket. I told him to chill out and that no one gives a **** (even though I'm sure everyone could smell it), but he didn't listen and dipped out.
I stayed there and continued to watch the movie, until I started to notice this faint whispering. I look over and this chick that sat on the other side of my friend was whispering to herself. At first I didn't care, but it became more and more annoying. Why? Well, and I couldn't make this up, she literally said the persons name EVERY time they spoke. Like like "Aragorn. Legalus. Gimli"
I tried for like 10 minutes to ignore it, but it was killing my buzz and ruining the movie. I was going to bitch her out, but I decided against it (being drunk, high, and all). So I dipped out and met up with my friend. I was looking forward to seeing this movie ever since I saw the last. **** sucked.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Hostile Creation on November 17, 2008, 09:13:14 PM
"they let you pick your seats"
WHAT. They don't let you pick your seats in normal theaters? I've never had a seat assigned to me in a cinema. That's nuts.
And yes, Gemma is the actress who played Strawberry Fields. The action scene I found most ridiculous was the rope scene, and no, the CGI didn't help either. Most of the scenes had some pretty ludicrous moments, though (and action scenes are seldom realistic, but I like them to at least be plausible otherwise I can't invest anything in them).
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: bustin98 on November 17, 2008, 10:55:02 PM
I thought the movie was great, though it felt like a clean cut at the end so 'regular' Bond can return in the next film. Which is what I heard the producers wanted. It was definately more Bourne than any other Bond, and I heard that a set director or something from Bourne was also giving cues to this film.
The big 'whatever' is the explosive hydrogen hotel in the middle of the desert. Otherwise a fine film and I'm sure I'll be picking it up on Blu-ray in 3 months.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 18, 2008, 07:45:00 PM
WHAT. They don't let you pick your seats in normal theaters? I've never had a seat assigned to me in a cinema. That's nuts.
And yes, Gemma is the actress who played Strawberry Fields. The action scene I found most ridiculous was the rope scene, and no, the CGI didn't help either. Most of the scenes had some pretty ludicrous moments, though (and action scenes are seldom realistic, but I like them to at least be plausible otherwise I can't invest anything in them).
Maybe i should of said they let you RESERVE your seats. They give you a screen showing the layout of that particular theatre, you choose where in it you'd like to sit and if you buy the tickets early enough like i always do, you can reserve your favorite seats (first row of the second half of the theatre, before it starts to ascend, right in the middle). Sometimes they'll offer other perks like letting you place a snack order in, where basically you pick a combo from this tiny 'menu' they give you and pay one of the attendents, and they'll deliver your food. I've never done that though, seems kinda stupid.
Getting back to the original point, the extra money i pay for my tickets isnt bad when im garaunteed a good seat (of my choise no less) in a place thats usually over run by bratty preteens and wanna be thugs that sneak in to movies (because they're friends/family work there) and try to take any seat they want. You don't know how many times i've had a movie ruined because someone was bothered enough by one of these snotty kids to have to leave and come back with an usher (or sometimes the police..., whole other story all together) and remove someone from the theatre.
I thought the movie was great, though it felt like a clean cut at the end so 'regular' Bond can return in the next film. Which is what I heard the producers wanted. It was definately more Bourne than any other Bond, and I heard that a set director or something from Bourne was also giving cues to this film.
The big 'whatever' is the explosive hydrogen hotel in the middle of the desert. Otherwise a fine film and I'm sure I'll be picking it up on Blu-ray in 3 months.
I didnt like that one part at the end the classic bond-thru-the-barrel shot because it felt out of place. I read on wiki (before hand) that they were going to save that as a surprise, but i was hoping they still worked it into the film as they did with Casino Royale. The way they did it in that film made it awesome, epic even. In QoS it was more like "oh.. that.. yeah.."
Maybe thats just me though.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 19, 2008, 09:48:34 AM
That's true. The opening scene and that scene were great.
Like I said, CR was definitely the better movie. This movie had to be made though.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 19, 2008, 10:04:32 AM
Theres no doubting that. Its a great follow up story to CR, which if you havent seen (somehow) you can check out an awesome summary here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC1ZqRw7bUA).
I cant wait to see where the next film goes in terms of character.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Stogi on November 19, 2008, 10:17:36 AM
The next movie should definitely make him out to be some sort of defender. This movie was all about his own ambitions and his willingness to attack anyone that tried to stop him.
The next movie should just flip that dynamic. Have him sacrifice something in order to save others.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 19, 2008, 11:00:18 AM
Maybe be a lil more suave/witty/sophisticated Bond too
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: RABicle on November 19, 2008, 01:40:03 PM
I like how "Hitman" knocks her out as he's about to get laid. Actually, that pissed me off. No "Hitman" would ever do that................unless he were.......gay!
Actually, there is that trick, you know where you knock her out just as you're about to cum. Something like that. The Hitman jsut fucked it up because it went with the theme of the movie.
I think she just replaced my old unattainable crush, Sophie (http://images.askmen.com/women/celeb_profiles_actress/pictures/sophie_monk/sophie_monk.jpg) Monk (http://www.goldcoast.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2008/04/01/sophie-monk0104.jpg)
We can't be friends anymore. Or maybe I'm just the unlucky one who has to put up with Sophie Monkey slapping her aging face on terrible every now and then.
The next movie should definitely make him out to be some sort of defender. This movie was all about his own ambitions and his willingness to attack anyone that tried to stop him.
The next movie should just flip that dynamic. Have him sacrifice something in order to save others.
Like what? Wales? I reckon that'd be great if they just sacrificed Wales to the bad guys next movie.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 19, 2008, 02:18:41 PM
I like how "Hitman" knocks her out as he's about to get laid. Actually, that pissed me off. No "Hitman" would ever do that................unless he were.......gay!
Actually, there is that trick, you know where you knock her out just as you're about to cum. Something like that. The Hitman jsut fucked it up because it went with the theme of the movie.
I think she just replaced my old unattainable crush, Sophie (http://images.askmen.com/women/celeb_profiles_actress/pictures/sophie_monk/sophie_monk.jpg) Monk (http://www.goldcoast.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2008/04/01/sophie-monk0104.jpg)
We can't be friends anymore. Or maybe I'm just the unlucky one who has to put up with Sophie Monkey slapping her aging face on terrible every now and then.
The next movie should definitely make him out to be some sort of defender. This movie was all about his own ambitions and his willingness to attack anyone that tried to stop him.
The next movie should just flip that dynamic. Have him sacrifice something in order to save others.
Like what? Wales? I reckon that'd be great if they just sacrificed Wales to the bad guys next movie.
1. Donkey Punches?
2. We were friends? I guess its different for you since in your country she's a popstar, i can see how that'd get annoying seeing/hearing her everywhere. I've only seen her in one music video (not for her own music) and fell in love (in my pants) instantly.
3. eh?
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: RABicle on November 20, 2008, 11:56:44 AM
Well she was a popstar after having been like a motorbike magazine pinup girl for ages. She's awful.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: EasyCure on November 20, 2008, 06:52:22 PM
Never cared about her career, just her looks, but thanks for the history lesson RAB
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: ShyGuy on November 23, 2008, 07:29:19 PM
Third best movie I've seen this year.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2009, 02:41:29 PM
I just watched this movie on DVD two days ago. While the action scenes were pretty fun, what the hell was going on? They just thrust you into the action without any real real plot just a need to get revenge cause someone shot at mom. Should I have rewatched Casino Royale just before watching Quantum?
This did not feel like a Bond movie to me at all, this was like Taken with a side kick. The next Bond flick better be more Bond like, cause even though I like the action I didn't like the movie.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Halbred on March 27, 2009, 03:31:18 PM
Yeah, I didn't like Quantum, either. The plot was nonexistant, and there was waaaay too much action (chase sequence in a car! Then on foot! Then on a boat! Then on a PLANE!). The girl wasn't half as good looking as Eva Green (from Casino Royale), the bad guy's work takeover plot was never explained, and what's with the random desert building with lots of explosions?
Horrible movie.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2009, 03:32:04 PM
Saw it last night. I like this movie. Re-watched Casino Royale a week ago.
Doesn't feel like a stand-alone Bond movie with the conventions flipped around/tinkered, but makes sense when directly picking-up after Casino Royale. Bond wasn't Bond at the beginning of Casino Royale (tho teased at the end), and isn't Bond until the end of Quantum. Casino and Quantum are a definite 1-2-punch pair or series, like Kill Bill and Bourne. Mini-series as movies.
First half-hour had me worried with all the actiony-chasey. I need those slow breather stretches in thrillers to set me up for the eventual ride, not throw me into the ride immediately.
I'm surprised at all the "Bond action" shoved into this one movie, considering the number of different vehicle chases. I kept asking myself, "OK, when will they show Craig SKIING? oops, i guess not this scene, maybe the next one." Not sure if cramming so much was a good idea. Still, there's a good amount of references to previous Bond scenarios. It was interesting to see so much fire and explosion since License to Kill. The unfortunate ratio of action over non-action meant Bond didn't talk a lot, reminding me of the product-of-the-80s stunt-heavy action-man Timothy Dalton Bond movies.
What bothered me is how the action made Bond seem unnecessarily "invincible." To make Bond make sense as a "modern" agent, they ended up turning him into Jason Bourne, minus any sense of pain or injury. Then add a little sprinkle of Batman Begins to account for long-range jumping stunts. Near identity ripoffs here. Definitely wasn't smooth, resourceful secret agent Bond in this light, just Daniel "Killing Machine" Craig.
I supposed Bond hasn't lightened-up and developed his traditional character yet. Maybe when Q-branch has a proper appearance, Bond will happy surrounded by gadgets.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2009, 03:52:27 PM
Yeah, I didn't like Quantum, either. The plot was nonexistant, and there was waaaay too much action (chase sequence in a car! Then on foot! Then on a boat! Then on a PLANE!). The girl wasn't half as good looking as Eva Green (from Casino Royale), the bad guy's work takeover plot was never explained, and what's with the random desert building with lots of explosions?
Horrible movie.
All those details were revealed in the dialogue. Maybe you didn't pick up on them cuz you were still trying to wind down after Bond miraculously drove a car, jumped out to fall from a building, into a boat, which swam to a plane, from which he parachuted from and landed on a hotel.
Beneath Casino Royale w/ Cheese was economics of terrorism, while Quantum of Solace concerned a mafia takeover of natural resources. I know, it's hard to reason these things when the villains don't have ambitious secret bases inside underwater man-made volcanoes launching rockets that swallow diamond-studded solar powered laser-firing satellite dishes guarding cocaine shipments dissolved in fuel shipped by trucks with gold engines manufactured by steroid-using horses controlled by a decoder box situated in compromised Russian subs patrolling the bay over the San Andreas Fault that communicate with SPECTRE leadership thru Wi-Fi devices disguised as Octopi.
EDIT: The common theme with these Craig villains is they keep really really low profiles, so they simply avoid these massive projects to build crazy stuff (bases! and secret basements! dens of iniquity!) Their ambitions are directly tied to their "front" businesses, to say that they're not really fronts, just businesses with evil closets and employee break rooms, so things on the outside go on with "business as usual" cuz it's still the primary vehicle of profit and stability.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Halbred on March 27, 2009, 04:23:29 PM
You forgot the frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads. And circular blades. And Snidley Whiplash!
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2009, 04:29:45 PM
You really didn't pick up the plot? There was a little bit of talking in all the slow moments and it became plain as day.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2009, 04:32:26 PM
You really didn't pick up the plot? There was a little bit of talking in all the slow moments and it became plain as day.
I know I didn't catch all of it since I was watching it on a smaller TV than usual (not at my house) and the subtitles were kinda hard to read. (small tiny yellow text) got the gist of what was going on, but it really wasn't about what they were doing, it seemed more about getting at the head of the organization that shot at" Mom".
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2009, 04:49:12 PM
Yeah the "Mum" deal was the main gist, but I was surprised how Halbred was oblivious to all the bad guy's schemes.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2009, 04:56:03 PM
The "Mum" plot is exactly why I called it Taken with a sidekick and not a Bond flick. The story in the background wasn't very grand and was actually very un-important in the overall story. I could have not read a siongle sub-title and it wouldn't have changed anything about the movie. "Mum" got shot at, get the guy responsible at all cost. Pretty good action movie, but it was not what I would expect of a Bond flick. BTW I have not watched most of the recent Bond movies (Golden Eye ---> present) in their entirety, but I was more of a fan of the old style bond back in the day (Connery & Moore).
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2009, 05:00:13 PM
I recently bought the James Bond DVD collection in pieces over the past 4 months (minus Die Another Day, cuz it sucks), hence my [^TEXT]. I'm enjoying watching each movie in their entirety with fresh eyes, comparing them to my impressions of the series growing up, seeing them on Xmas/Thanksgiving TBS marathons.
The coolest part is seeing how the filming/acting/action/habits styles changed over the decades, and how they relate to other movies and real life in their time.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2009, 05:03:35 PM
Of all the Bond movies starting with Goldeneye to whatever came before Casino Royale, which ones would you recommend?
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 27, 2009, 05:22:10 PM
Beneath Casino Royale w/ Cheese was economics of terrorism, while Quantum of Solace concerned a mafia takeover of natural resources. I know, it's hard to reason these things when the villains don't have ambitious secret bases inside underwater man-made volcanoes launching rockets that swallow diamond-studded solar powered laser-firing satellite dishes guarding cocaine shipments dissolved in fuel shipped by trucks with gold engines manufactured by steroid-using horses controlled by a decoder box situated in compromised Russian subs patrolling the bay over the San Andreas Fault that communicate with SPECTRE leadership thru Wi-Fi devices disguised as Octopi.
How long did it take you to come up with that?
My biggest complaint about QoS is that the omnipresent evil secret society wasn't SPECTRE. I waited the whole movie for the big reveal, and it was named Quantum. I'll bet that's not even an acronym for something clumsily diabolical.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 27, 2009, 05:24:19 PM
BNM: Just Goldeneye, directed by Martin Campbell, who worked on Casino Royale and The Mask of Zorro. Goldeneye is important because it marks the series' return after a considerable hiatus, whereas the series starting with Connery was literally churned out every other year. I was always looking out for what's old that still works, new twists, and how the size/scope compares to the classic films. I think it's the most tightly-woven Bond film (camera and acting) to feel modern yet still old-fashioned classic (non-adrenaline junkie Bond). Casino Royale is what it is cuz Hollywood's perfected its formula for action-thrillers, down to a cookbook.
Tomorrow Never Dies is ~OK ok (has my personal favorite car of the series), while The World is Not Enough is less-than-ok (unappealing settings and crazy women). Die Another Day was bloody awful. Different directors at work here, with the stories trying to add some new twists to the dynamics between Bond and the various females (good or evil), with Die Another Day falling on its face. Goldeneye and 00-Craig were more careful in this regard.
Ult.BearGrylls: About 2 minutes. The movies are fresh in my mind.
EDIT: I'll add that Tomorrow Never Dies falls in line with the classic fun-loving typical Bond films that were big on action-adventure and less on the reality that Bond is a professional killer.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Khushrenada on March 28, 2009, 01:45:59 AM
S.P.E.C.T.R.E I doubt will ever be back which is a shame. Back in the 70's there were some lawsuits leveled against EON, the company behind the Bond films by a producer Kevin McClory. It came from the Thunderball story. Kevin had worked with Ian Fleming on making a movie script for Bond. None of the studios bought it however and Ian Fleming later turned that script into the novel Thunderball. Thunderball marked the first appearance of S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and Blofeld in the Bond universe. In the 70's, Kevin sued claiming the rights to those characters and because he wanted to make his own Bond film. EON had actually planned on using S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and Blofeld in their next Bond movie, which at the time was The Spy Who Loved Me. Due to the lawsuits, they had to change the villians and that is why S.P.E.C.T.R.E. disappeared from the 007 universe. Kevin won the lawsuits and went on to make the awful film Never Say Never Again. Thank you for ruining S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Kevin McClory.
But now, it seems the Bond makers have finally decided to bring back the idea of a worldwide criminal network with Quantum. And while I had hoped we would see more of the group in the movie, it's a start. Bond is slowly working his way up the ladder like the early Bond movies as he fought higher and higher levels of S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
The greatest crime and mistake the Bond franchise made was their handling of S.P.E.C.T.R.E. It started off so well. In Dr. No, Bond meets his first agent of S.P.E.C.T.R.E., Dr. No himself. S.P.E.C.T.R.E., unhappy with the Dr. No's loss caused by Bond, come up with a plan to kill him off and profit themselves in From Russia With Love. Here we get our first glimpses of Blofeld. We see S.P.E.C.T.R.E. island, a villain training ground for the first and only time, and get a sense of the wide range of resources they have. We met No. 3, Rosa Klebb, who will meet her fate by the end of the movie. Goldfinger takes a break from S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and Thunderball brings them back to new hieghts. The famous theft of two nuclear warheads held for ransom plot. Engineered by No. 2. The famous S.P.E.C.T.R.E. meeting at the start of the movie once again helps keep the menace of Blofeld simmering.
That brings us to the You Only Live Twice. To outdo the last plot and make the Blofeld showdown worth something, we resort to stealing space capsules to cause World War 3. Yeah, the plot was weak unfortunately. Blofeld keeps pirhanas instead of No. 2's sharks. Just not the same. Donald Pleasance's Blofeld is rather weak as well. Oh, his is the Blofeld face that is most remembered and loved but Blofeld was pathetic in this showdown. And of course, there's the big empty volcano hideout fight. So-so first meeting.
But On Her Majesty's Secret Service, the Blofeld/Bond rivalry reaches its pinnacle and it delivers what just might be the best bond movie in the series. Blofeld has a much better plot. Germ warfare and the plot to cause widespread famine. Blofeld is a much more worthy opponent played by Telly Savalas. He can throw a punch this time. Plus, he kills Bond's wife. The greatest blow to Bond ever.
This brings us to Diamonds Are Forever. It starts out well enough. Bond immediately hunting down Blofeld to make him pay. But after he supposedly does this, the movie goes into its diamond smuggling plot. While it eventually leads to Blofeld again, Bond seems to have lost all the hate he once had against Blofeld. Even Blofeld acts all chummy with Bond. It doesn't help that Charles Grey doesn't remind us anything of Blofeld. He went from bald and scarred in YOLT, to just bald in OHMSS, to now having a full head of greying hair in DAF. Anyways, the movie ends with Blofeld trapped in a bathosub above an exploding offshore platform. We never see the bathosub blow up or get confirmation that Blofeld is 100% dead, leaving that plot thread open.
And that's the way it stood until For Your Eyes Only kills him off in the opening sequence. Due to the lawsuit I mentioned above, they never say Blofelds name or mention S.P.E.C.T.R.E. We just have to assume the bald man in the wheelchair with the white cat was Blofeld and because Bond was visiting Tracy's grave at the very beginning.
All that time showing Bond go through the ranks of S.P.E.C.T.R.E., fighting Blofeld for three straight films. Blofeld killing Bond's wife. And that's how it all ends. The biggest disappointment of the Bond franchise.
Hopefully, Quantum is handled better.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Khushrenada on March 28, 2009, 02:07:23 AM
Also, I agree with Pro. It's pretty much agreed that the Brosnan films decline in quality as the order they were made. Goldeneye was his best film and is a top 5 Bond movie. Tomorrow Never Dies I also highly recommend but it is weaker compared to Goldeneye. The World Is Not Enough is a weird mixture. It has some interesting ideas but it just never seems able to make them work together. The plot is highly convulted but it's not as terribly stupid as another giant laser satellite like Die Another Day. It is the only Brosnan movie not to use satellites in the villians evil plot.
Die Another Day is one of the excessive Bond films. There are three of them. You Only Live Twice, Moonraker and this one. An excessive Bond movie is one where the gadgets get too wild, the science is way too advanced, the plot is wildly unbelievable, you are unable to take the movie seriously and the producers have gone crazy in trying to top the previous movie before it. Interestingly, every Bond excess film results in the next one being scaled way down and being much more serious. On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only and Casino Royale all came after a Bond excess film and are all top Bond films.
But I could talk Bond for hours. I bought the Ultimate Collectors editions of all the Bond movies last year. There came in 4 volumes of 5 movies a volume. I watched them all through December and made my own Bond marathon. It was great. For all their faults, they are still entertaining films and I enjoy them all. The thing that surprised me was how much I enjoyed Timothy Dalton's portrayal of Bond. He reminded me a bit of Daniel Craig's portrayal at times. I wish he'd had the chance to have made a couple more films.
Anyways, what made watching the Bond movies even more enjoyable was this blog I found. I Expect You To Die! (http://expectyoutodie.blogspot.com/) The blogger Snell really has spent too much time watching these movies but he makes some great points in his breakdowns. While I don't agree with everything he says, he made some good arguements and brought out points I'd never thought of before which helped me see the movies in a new light. I highly recommend reading through it. Great stuff. For instance, did you know that Roger Moore only holds a gun once in the movie Moonraker? And even then, the gun has to be forced into his hand by the villain Drax?
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: bustin98 on March 28, 2009, 11:29:57 AM
Great write up Khush. I enjoyed it. While I can't talk Bond for hours I could probably listen to everything that has to be said for that long. I need some more serious watching of Bond (hard to get with 3 little girls running around).
I find it weird to think of these last two films as a start over for the series. My whole life I grew up watching Bond and understanding that another actor steps in to play the part, but it still felt like there was some continuity or something running in the back. Though thats been dismantled with the loss of the original M and Q and Money Penny. To have Judi Dench stay in as M after being M in the other films feels a little backwards, like Bond is the only one going back to his roots while the rest of the world is where they've always been.
Which brings up another weird thing of bringing more story focus on M than before Judi was brought in. Before, M was like the father figure, always knowing what James is up to but being coy about it, only coming out to issue some orders or some official business. Judi's character doesn't come across as the opposite motherly figure. Seems she continually forces Bond to prove himself to her, until its convenient for her to trust him.
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Ok, I guess I can talk for a bit. I gotta stop. I'll have to check out that blog.
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: Plugabugz on March 28, 2009, 02:36:59 PM
My dislike of Die Another Day was that it felt far too american, for what is ultimately a british franchise. Heaven forbid an american remake of doctor who. The way it was toned back down into Casino Royale was the big red reset button i was hoping for. Quantum of Solace felt more bare-knuckled grunt and raw and who ruined my mantan? in the same vein.
Interestingly, the director declined going back a THIRD time (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a150847/forster-turns-down-bond-23-offer.html) because he admitted he wanted to make it "darker still". Personally i would have loved this because darker things over the lighter/fluffier and almost military-styled predecessors, and would have made a fresh change (Stargate Universe, i'm looking at you).
Title: Re: Quantum of Solace
Post by: vudu on March 31, 2009, 04:04:04 PM
