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Title: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Stratos on March 20, 2010, 06:42:13 AM
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 07:34:24 AM
Well if this is the proof you need that I am a townie than up there is where it is.Someone tried to kill me last night. I have to think about what I am going to do.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 07:42:51 AM
Looking at the votes yesterday there was 5 votes for Dasmos and 1 vote for stevey. Now there is 7 votes for Dasmos. This tells me two things.Everybody that voted for Dasmos had a normal votes except 1 who had a ballot box and stevey had a blue space.This absolves stevey from being Mafia.
The other option is that stevey had a red space and 2 people had a blue space.Either case stevey is not Mafia.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 07:59:55 AM
I need to know if anybody has a protection space. PM me only if you do.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: vudu on March 20, 2010, 09:58:06 AM
Boo stole 2 stars from Khushrenada for someone

Khush, I gotta ask--where'd you get all those stars?  Two, eh?  AFAIK, Windy O. Koopa didn't steal any stars--the mafia only made one successful hit (on UB) and he didn't have any stars.  Does this mean Khush can't be Godfather?

A couple things to consider:

First, we don't know all the special rules in place, so it may be possible for the mafia to get stars without successfully killing anyone.  (If we assume Khush is mafia, and he got a star for thatguy's efforts in the player list thread, could that star have been stolen by Boo last night or would it not be given to Khush until today?)

Second, when UB was killed he was listed as having 10 coins and 0 stars.  That seems like a small total for a day 5 death.  Why was UB so poor?  Did he have 0 stars in the end because 2 were stolen by the mafia?  I'd like some clarification from Stratos if possible.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: vudu on March 20, 2010, 10:21:43 AM
Now let's examine the psychology behind the mafia hits to see if we can gleam any insight.

Night 1:  thatguy (already voted out)
Night 2:  vudu (protected)
Night 3:  UncleBob (protected)
Night 4:  UncleBob
Night 5:  Maxi (protected)

Obvious questions:

Why was UncleBob targeted a second time but I wasn't?  I was a confirmed townie on the second day, but the mafia doesn't seem to care.  Am I not considered a threat?  Maybe Khush is Godfather and he's keeping me around for the thrill of it--he's said before that he considers me one of his top rivals--is he toying with me?  Or maybe the Godfather just doesn't like me--it's more fun to kill your friends than people you don't care about, right?

Why did the mafia target Maxi last night?  Maxi, did you tell anyone you were protected last night?  I can see two possible scenarios:  First, if you told someone you were protected then that person obviously wouldn't have targeted you last night, so they must be innocent.  Second, maybe the godfather gets a special star for every protected hit that goes through; could explain why there have been so many of them.  I didn't tell anyone I was protected on night two; I don't know if UncleBob told anyone.

Why was UncleBob targeted twice in a row?  He didn't have any stars.  (Or did he?  See my question to Stratos above.)  Why was he such an important target?  Or was it simply the Godfather assuming he wouldn't be lucky enough to roll two protection spaces in a row?

Why was thatguy targeted by the mafia on the first day even though he was the favorite to be voted out?  I don't think Khush would have made such an amateur mistake.  Then again, Khush thinks outside the box--maybe he thought he could earn a special star by targeting someone who died in the day's vote?  (And for all we know he did.)

Lots of questions; no answers.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 02:20:02 PM
The only person I told I was protected yesterday was Khushrenada. I think it was near the end of the day.

Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Khushrenada on March 20, 2010, 02:21:48 PM
Damn.  I was afraid I was going to lose my stars if the game didn't end soon. Nuts, nuts, nuts.

Well, stevey said he had a red space yesterday and that looks to be true. I had a blue space so my vote counted as double. What did everyone else have? Can our powers help us locate the final mob member?

VOTE GOLDENPHOENIX in the meantime.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 02:36:46 PM
I think I know what is happening with the star situation and Stratos results on if a person had a star at death.

Dasmos told me yesterday that he had 2 stars the results show that he only had 1 star left.

So here is what I think is happening. Wendy Koopa selects Dasmos to be hit. She finds him and takes the star than kills him.
This would explain why Dasmos has 1 star left.
Unclebob said in the dead thread that he had only one star. In the results the other day he only had 0 stars. The explanation above fits this scenario as well.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: vudu on March 20, 2010, 02:41:40 PM
Stratos, can you confirm?

Dasmos told me yesterday that he had 2 stars the results show that he only had 1 star left.

Keep in mind that at the time of his death Dasmos had 28 coins.  It's possible that he told Stratos he wanted to buy a second star and just told you he had two stars because he thought he was about to.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 02:46:20 PM
He told me he was buying his 3rd star yesterday.He would of gotten it today if he was alive.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: vudu on March 20, 2010, 02:58:17 PM
Well, stevey said he had a red space yesterday and that looks to be true. I had a blue space so my vote counted as double.

Anyone want to refute these claims?  If not, that means the only possibilities for Godfather are GP and Mop.  I think we're all leaning towards GP, but I'd like to avoid robbing someone of a victory this late in the game if at all possible.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Mop it up on March 20, 2010, 04:01:28 PM
I had a blue space too, so along with Khushrenada's, that accounts for the vote tally.

Vote GoldenPhoenix
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 04:11:15 PM
I hate to bring this up but I think my vote was nullified yesterday in the day thread because I voted for thatguy in the players thread.

I Wiimailed Stratos earlier about all these questions in the thread so I hope he comes online and answer them.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: that Baby guy on March 20, 2010, 04:14:43 PM
Sorry to post here, but we were joking, Maxi.  It wasn't nullified.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Mop it up on March 20, 2010, 04:15:34 PM
Why do you think your vote was nullified?
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 04:37:43 PM
Sorry to post here, but we were joking, Maxi.  It wasn't nullified.
Wait a second. My vote wasn't nullified so that makes it that 5 people voted for Dasmos.

Let me do some math.
Mop it up said she had a blue space so that makes it 2.
Khushrenada said he had a blue space so that makes the total 4.
I only had 1 vote so that makes it 5. GP and vudu's vote make it 7 asuming that either of you 2 didn't have a blue space.
So GP and vudu what did you have yesterday?
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: vudu on March 20, 2010, 05:49:38 PM
I had a protection space yesterday.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Stratos on March 20, 2010, 08:27:39 PM
Sorry about going MIA. My friend took his router for the day without telling me and we share internet and when I tried to connect at the coffee shop with my DSi I couldn't post messages or PMs.

I just got it back and have to head off to work.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Stratos on March 20, 2010, 08:31:15 PM
In a quick response, people get different amounts of coins depending on their rolls.

Someone may have a lower amount if they just bought a star as they cost 20 coins.

Maxi, I was joking in the other thread. I was just jumping on the silliness that thatguy was insinuating. Just meant in good fun. I thought I sent you a PM clarifying that it was a joke. Apologies that is appeared otherwise.

Yikes. I'll comment more when I get off of work. I'll try to get a break and come over to answer more questions between 7 and 8 PST but no promises on that as boss may say no.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 08:42:55 PM
Stratos please don't joke about things like that. It is hard enough keeping track of the game without having to worry about things that may affect the game immensly that were not really fact.

God I hope you get back to answer the questions. there is about 5 hours and 15 mins till the end of the day.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Khushrenada on March 20, 2010, 09:56:59 PM
Maxi, let it go. No one else is getting that troubled over things. It is really all very meaningless. Star stealing, coins, items, they are just distractions, side elements. Here's a tip to help you in future games and one that I follow as well. The point of the game is to eliminate the other side before they eliminate you. Every game hinges on that principle to win. As long as you remember that, little else matters. Powers, abilities, special roles, they are just methods of distraction and confusion and complication. Designed to take your focus off the real matter, voting out the competition.

I mentioned earlier how I've been burned a couple times because of games with different items or special abilities. The reason I've been burned is because I often don't pay attention to them. I'm just focused on eliminating that opposition. People accuse me of being mafia for not knowing the finer points of every game. But they don't matter a whole lot.

Take this game. I didn't really bother with asking questions about Boo or the rules and stars. All that matters is voting and eliminating the opposition. I made my pick and just went at.

So, if Stratos wants to make crazy rules involving the dead, if he wants to toss around different coin amounts and mention some points and hide some others, who cares? In the end, he has stated that the winners will get a star bonus that will make them victorious so all this ingame star stuff matters little. Moreover, the objective is still the same, we win by eliminating the mafia, they win the same way. Therefore, we still have to have to play the same and so do they. Despite the special abilities, the methods and behavior are stil the same.

However, if you do want to get to the heart of the matter, there are only two questions neccesary.

1. Do the mafia get dice rolls with abilities such as blue spaces and red spaces? Apparantly the answer to that is yes but it is worth another confirmation from the host.

2. If a player with a red space votes and a player with a ballot box changes his vote, does that vote count because of the ballot box or is it still ineffective because of the red space?

The answer to those two questions will solve the game. Simple and not requiring a bunch of answers and questions on every minor detail. Just focus on the basics needed.   
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2010, 10:40:08 PM
While you haven't really been asking questions of the host I have been since the very first day.Different people have different playstyles so this isn't a knock against you at all.
The first question was the first question I asked of Stratos.

1.No the Mafia does not get abililtys in the game. I think I even mentioned it to you the other day.

2.For number 2 I unfortunatly haven't asked yet. But I will do so now.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: stevey on March 20, 2010, 11:47:34 PM
3 confirmed townies
3 ugly girls
1 godmother
Khush is still alive without any protection garbage

I really don't like this possible that Khush might pull a mafia win complete out of his ass. Vote Khush
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 21, 2010, 12:09:26 AM
Hmm who should I vote for?

Vote tally
Golden Phoenix-2
Khushrenada-1
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Khushrenada on March 21, 2010, 12:10:28 AM
Wow. Tight race today. At least it would be if I didn't have a ballot box and changed stevey's vote to GP. So, it is 3 votes for GP. Best of all, for all those who may have doubts about which side my allegience truly is on, this will allow me to prove it much like stevey's red space vote yesterday. And now I wait for midnight.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 21, 2010, 12:23:28 AM
Do you guys think we should keep this total to see if Khushrenada is telling the truth?
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 21, 2010, 12:54:52 AM
8 mins left vote tally
Golden Phoenix-3
Khushrenada-1
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Mop it up on March 21, 2010, 01:06:23 AM
Do you guys think we should keep this total to see if Khushrenada is telling the truth?
No, mate. I've been working with the lot of you this whole game, I'm not going to turn on any of you now. All signs point to GoldenPhoenix as the likely Godmother, so I think we should stick together until her true role is revealed. I'll feel bad if she's innocent, but unfortunately, I don't think she is.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 21, 2010, 01:23:43 AM
I guess I will vote then.

Vote Golden Phoenix

God I hope this is right.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 21, 2010, 02:00:02 AM
Lock it!
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Khushrenada on March 21, 2010, 02:03:47 AM
Locked. In the meantime, a thought just occured to me. What if there was a bonus star reward for the mafia if they left me alive? It might explain the lack of a hit all game. Oh well. I'm sure we'll get our answers right away.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: vudu on March 21, 2010, 10:21:15 AM
What if there was a bonus star reward for the mafia if they left me alive? It might explain the lack of a hit all game.

Delusions of grandeur, much?
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Stratos on March 21, 2010, 05:06:05 PM
I want to apologize for the huge delay. My internet went out twice. It's still spotty. I'll be on later to tell you all whats up.
Title: Re: Mafia Party Day 6: Wario's Battle Canyon
Post by: Stratos on March 21, 2010, 07:20:06 PM
GP is out. Only 2 votes counted. She is the GF, I'll post the story and final star totals thread tonight after work. Sorry about the issues, it kinda killed off the final momentum...

I'm pretty sure the townies won the star total count too just so people have a definite conclusion. I designed it so that the 'victory' stars given to the winning side would pretty much guarantee victory.