Bane was scary. Dirty Occupy Bane Street followers were too realistic.
Fantastic movie, best one of the year. Batman sacrificed himself to save us all!
Michael Caine deserves the Oscar.
Bruce threw the rope down when he got to the top of the prison well. Dirty Talia left them all to rot.
Anne Hathaway was a great Catowoman
The ending made me happy.
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Post by: UncleBob on July 21, 2012, 06:35:07 PM
>Batman sacrificed himself to save us all!
What movie did you watch?
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Post by: nickmitch on July 21, 2012, 07:06:29 PM
I remember seeing something about Talia being in the film, but I'm glad I forgot during the movie even though the reveal was kind of soft. My favorite scene was watching Bane break the bat. I knew what was about to happen, and that just made it more intense.
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Post by: Halbred on July 21, 2012, 07:56:38 PM
DAMN SON.
Just saw it. Haven't taken it all in yet. Man, I didn't notice how good-looking that Talia actress was in Inception (maybe 'cause she was a crazy lady). I couldn't believe how well Hathaway pulled off Catwoman. The ending made me smile. Bane was a great villain. Only parts that bugged me were Bruce's firing Alfred (WTF, dude? Get over it) and the very slow buildup to Bane's police state.
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Post by: UncleBob on July 21, 2012, 09:01:29 PM
Bruce didn't fire Alfred. Alfred quit.
This happens about every three issues in the comics.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 21, 2012, 09:34:45 PM
The prison that Bruce Wayne had to escape from was the Lazarus pit in a metephorical sense.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 22, 2012, 01:26:01 AM
Come on UncleBob, there was a definite Christ allegory. Savior Batman sacrifices himself for the sins of Gotham (all of Humanity)
Sure, you say he was alive at the end, but Batman was sacrificed. His money, His manor, His secret identity were all given up for Gotham. Batman was no more. Of course Robin on the other hand...
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Post by: UncleBob on July 22, 2012, 01:55:37 AM
He had already lost all of his money. He still has his secret identity. Now he has a third one. There's nothing stopping Batman from coming back if needed (The look on Gordon's face tells me he wasn't the one that replaced the Bat signal...)
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 22, 2012, 02:19:18 AM
I actually thought there was going to be a chance where Nolan was going to end the Batman series and replace it with a Nightwing movie series that feature JGL as Nightwing in his own spin-off series against his own villians.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2012, 02:35:27 AM
Nolan won't do that, but someone else might take up the helm.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 22, 2012, 03:03:39 AM
Bane's voice was a whole better than I thought it would be based on the trailers. Why did Bane inject that guy's blood into that corpse on the plane?
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Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2012, 03:14:39 AM
Because when the plane crashed and they found the body, they would think it was the scientists body. I thought they made that pretty clear?
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 22, 2012, 03:26:31 AM
I'm assuming that's a plot hole or something, because Bane clearly stated that the world thought that scientist was dead from the plane crash.
It's possible to know the identity of someone even if the body is burned to a crisp.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2012, 03:40:14 AM
Hey, don't look at me, I'm just the messenger. Blame Nolan.
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Post by: NWR_Neal on July 22, 2012, 10:33:42 AM
That pit had nothing to do with the Lazarus Pit. It was more like this: http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Pe%C3%B1a_Duro
And I don't see why people think Blake would become Robin or Nightwing. He obviously will take up the Bat mantle. Throughout the entire trilogy, Wayne wants to make the Batman a symbol/legend and wishes for someone else to take over his role (e.g. Harvey Dent). It just turned out Blake could do it in a more literal sense.
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Post by: UncleBob on July 22, 2012, 11:57:44 AM
'meh. It would all depend on how the writers/studio wants to take the film.
I could easily see a story where Blake doesn't think he's worthy of being The Batman, so he wears a different costume as to not tarnish Wayne's memory.
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Post by: bustin98 on July 22, 2012, 01:37:05 PM
This is the end of the trilogy, and Warner is gearing up their reboot of the series. It doesn't matter how the film ended. You can argue that Talia will survive and the son of Batman will be next. But this particular Batman universe is dead - time to move on.
As for dental records, that would be assuming the bodies weren't splattered by the impact, or exploded by the heat of the fire. What is a small hole though, is not finding the wings and engines among the wreckage. Being a remote country, and a covert operation, not much scrutiny would be put on the plane.
I deny the Christ allegory. Christ was put up to public suffering and execution. He also wanted to serve as an example of standing up for your convictions. Batman deliberately put himself in harms way to save a group of people, but he wasn't teaching the people anything in the process, and it wasn't a public execution. His journey was very personal, and his whole motif is rather selfish, as pointed out many times by Alfred.
This was a great film, and is a terrific ending to the storyline. I do wish it would continue, and have serious doubts about the next series of movies.
The little tease of Man of Steel before the movie made me hopeful, though still a bit reserved until more is known.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 22, 2012, 01:45:18 PM
The fact that Superman was wearing a blue onesie in the trailer is going to really bug me.
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Post by: UncleBob on July 22, 2012, 02:24:30 PM
This is the end of the trilogy, and Warner is gearing up their reboot of the series
Has anything official been announced regarding the next Batman movie?
Let's be honest - the Nolan-trilogy made WB a LOT of money. Probably more than any superhero movie/series ever has. If they decide to continue the story, with or without Nolan and/or Bale, I wouldn't be surprised.
With that said, I forsee them taking the Avengers approach to a Justice League movie... and that just wouldn't work with the Nolan films... At least, not with Rises... So I seriously expect a reboot.
It's all about the money bags for them.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 22, 2012, 02:27:11 PM
I think I'll just wait until I can watch this movie in the safety of my own home.
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Post by: UncleBob on July 22, 2012, 02:31:11 PM
Every year, more people die in their own homes than in theaters.
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Post by: broodwars on July 22, 2012, 02:31:59 PM
I think I'll just wait until I can watch this movie in the safety of my own home.
Yeah, maybe the same here. I already know I'm going to buy the BluRay to complete the trilogy and I dislike seeing movies in the theaters these days, so I might as well just wait a few months and see it then.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 22, 2012, 02:46:51 PM
Every year, more people die in their own homes than in theaters.
Its not so much dying as dying horrifically that worries me.
Anyway, I get your point and I agree the chances of a similar attack in the near future are slim (but maybe higher than we think though, due to the copycat effect), but regardless I think sitting in a movie theater and thinking about that attack would probably adversely effect my enjoyment of the movie. So I think that's reason enough to just wait.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 22, 2012, 02:50:39 PM
This is the end of the trilogy, and Warner is gearing up their reboot of the series
Has anything official been announced regarding the next Batman movie?
Let's be honest - the Nolan-trilogy made WB a LOT of money. Probably more than any superhero movie/series ever has. If they decide to continue the story, with or without Nolan and/or Bale, I wouldn't be surprised.
With that said, I forsee them taking the Avengers approach to a Justice League movie... and that just wouldn't work with the Nolan films... At least, not with Rises... So I seriously expect a reboot.
It's all about the money bags for them.
I hope the give it some time to breath before they reboot the Batman series. Marvel has rebooted or semi-rebooted too soon three or four times and it has deflated the sequel on them every time.
Hulk (2003) - The Incredible Hulk (2008) felt like a cheaper film, people were less interested.
The Punisher (2004) - Punisher:War Zone (2008) Some people like the sequel better, but it makes the franchise feel cheap.
Ghost Rider (2007) - Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (2012) Sent to die in the theaters.
Spider Man 3 (2007) Amazing Spider Man (2012) Not nearly the buzz around the film as the last trilogyl. Of course the third movie being so awful may have hurt it.
We will see if Man of Steel can break the curse.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
Or you could just not worry about that and live to to its fullest?
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Post by: bustin98 on July 22, 2012, 03:12:26 PM
There are scenes in Rises filmed specifically for Imax, and even not in Imax they stand out as spectacular. The film is an experience meant for the theater.
Of course, you're welcome to hide from the world in your house. We don't need you anyway.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 22, 2012, 03:14:45 PM
Or you could just not worry about that and live to to its fullest?
I wouldn't describe sitting in front of a screen and watching a movie "living life to its fullest". If we were talking skydiving or something, then sure, but as far as watching movies goes I can have the exact same experience in my own home as I can in a theater.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 22, 2012, 03:23:32 PM
No, you can't.
Anyway, I love how Bane wasn't just a big, dumb brawler in the movie. Playing up his intelligence made me happy. Although, the end kind of implied that Talia was pulling the strings the entire time.
And the Son of the Bat plot wouldn't work in this universe. I think this one is more based on the one where Bruce and Selina have a baby who becomes Robin. Although that would make a great sequel.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on July 22, 2012, 04:20:13 PM
but as far as watching movies goes I can have the exact same experience in my own home as I can in a theater.
lolwut
If that was the case, everybody on the planet would watch their movies at home. The lull of a theater is the giant ass screen, amazing sound, and (sometimes) awesome audience that makes it all better. You can't get that at home, even if you tried.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 22, 2012, 05:10:31 PM
There are pros and cons to both theater and home movie watching. Yes, the movie theaters have larger screens, but watching movies at home has just as many if not more advantages. For example, you can pause and rewind at will, and you don't have to deal with people talking on cellphones and other annoying crap. Plus movie theaters are filthy and sometimes people masturbate in them, such as Fred Willard and Paul Reubens. There is a chance you might get some sort of disease by sitting or touching stuff other people touched.
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Post by: bustin98 on July 22, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
If you're in a theater that people masturbate in, then you have other things to complain about than people talking on cell phones... LOL
Sometimes people masturbate in them... man, what a line!
I got an std by going to the movies! I need one of those body condoms from Naked Gun
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 22, 2012, 05:16:03 PM
I wasn't making that up. It was recently in the news that Fred Willard was arrested for masturbating in a theater, and Paul Reubens (AKA Pee Wee Herman) had his career effectively ended about 20 years ago for the same thing. So it apparently does happen, and the reason we hear about these is because these were celebrities. Imagine how many times this happens with normal people that we don't hear about because it doesn't make the news, and imagine how many times it happens were the perpetrators aren't even caught.
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Post by: bustin98 on July 22, 2012, 05:31:59 PM
Both of those instances happened in peep show theaters. Not big Cinemark theaters where Batman is shown. Peep show theaters are places you go on purpose to masturbate. Just don't get caught with your junk outside of your pants.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 22, 2012, 05:44:27 PM
The complete series is $10 at Walmart. I keep looking at it. I've never seen it, so it might not be as bad as they say.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 23, 2012, 01:44:49 AM
If the whole series is only $10 why not give it a shot? I thought you were big on collecting stuff anyway? If it really is that bad then odds are there won't be a reissue, so get it now while you can.
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Post by: Plugabugz on July 23, 2012, 10:58:33 AM
I love how the entire film - like Inception - was before the opening credits.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 23, 2012, 02:55:32 PM
Most of Nolan's movies are like that. The other two Batman films did the same thing.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 23, 2012, 03:40:06 PM
Tim Burton made great Batman movies back in the day.
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Post by: bustin98 on July 23, 2012, 11:17:32 PM
Tim Burton made a great Batman movie back in the day.
Fixed
Which one did you dislike and why? Personally, I thought both were very well done... but I understand the second one is a lot darker and therefore not for everyone. But that's pretty typical of anything Tim Burton does.
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Post by: noname2200 on July 23, 2012, 11:50:16 PM
I really liked it. I didn't think it was nearly as good as the second one though. It felt like it tried to cram too much in, and the middle had some pacing issues. And the leaps of logic the movie required were even more egregious than in the prior films, to the point where I caught them as they happened. But I went in expecting a good popcorn flick, and it delivered on that front. Definitely going to pick up the DVD later.
Come on UncleBob, there was a definite Christ allegory. Savior Batman sacrifices himself for the sins of Gotham (all of Humanity)
Sure, you say he was alive at the end, but Batman was sacrificed. His money, His manor, His secret identity were all given up for Gotham. Batman was no more. Of course Robin on the other hand...
I thought the point was that "Batman" was, and was meant to be, immortal. Bruce Wayne's moved on, but Robin Blake is there to take his place, etc. If anything, Wayne walking away is rather un-Christ like, since he's basically saying "I've done my part already. Peace out, Gotham."
I think I'll just wait until I can watch this movie in the safety of my own home.
Yeah, maybe the same here. I already know I'm going to buy the BluRay to complete the trilogy and I dislike seeing movies in the theaters these days, so I might as well just wait a few months and see it then.
I definitely think this type of movie is best seen in theaters (unless you have a kick-ass setup at home), but I admit that my theater occasionally played the score too loudly. The dialogue was drowned out on occasion.
Anyway, I love how Bane wasn't just a big, dumb brawler in the movie. Playing up his intelligence made me happy. Although, the end kind of implied that Talia was pulling the strings the entire time.
I think that last part was a mistake. Creating all that build up, and then transferring it to Talia instead of Bane, kind of cheapened Bane in my mind. He went from being a cunning brute to mere muscle. Which would have been fine if Talia was more interesting, but I don't think she was.
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Post by: bustin98 on July 24, 2012, 12:43:40 AM
Which one did you dislike and why? Personally, I thought both were very well done... but I understand the second one is a lot darker and therefore not for everyone. But that's pretty typical of anything Tim Burton does.
Yeah, the second one is one I didn't like too much. Mainly the portrayal of Penguin. Perhaps that was the point, the animalistic approaches to both Penguin and Catwoman was not something that appeals to me, though it contrasts against Bruce Wayne, who while calls himself Batman does not exhibit characteristics of a humanized bat... And while I love Christopher Walken, I just couldn't take his character seriously.
Maybe I need to watch the film again (as I don't think I've seen it since it was in the theater), but everytime I come across an opportunity, I talk myself out of it.
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Post by: Glad0s on July 24, 2012, 12:48:13 AM
Just gonna say that the last 30 or so minutes probably ties with the last bit of The Prestige and the middle of TDK (from the interrogation till the hospital) as my favorite section of any Nolan film. Just....wow. It started out WAY too slow, and it lost its focus in the middle, but MAN is that last bit good.
Also, can we please leave the shooting out of this and take the movie for what it is? Please?
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Post by: nickmitch on July 24, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
Anyway, I love how Bane wasn't just a big, dumb brawler in the movie. Playing up his intelligence made me happy. Although, the end kind of implied that Talia was pulling the strings the entire time.
I think that last part was a mistake. Creating all that build up, and then transferring it to Talia instead of Bane, kind of cheapened Bane in my mind. He went from being a cunning brute to mere muscle. Which would have been fine if Talia was more interesting, but I don't think she was.
Yeah, they couldn't really take the time to properly develop Talia as a character. I still like to think that Bane had to run the show for the most part while Talia was I guess "undercover" or whatever.
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Post by: Kytim89 on July 24, 2012, 10:44:05 PM
I walked away from this film with the sense that Nolan was trying to convey a sense that western civilization is in decline. This is backed up by the fact Bane attacks two symbols of western decline/decadence: Stock exchange (Money = greed) and the football stadium (false idols). The uprising by the lowe echelons of Gotham mirros the OWS and the idea of forcibly removing the elites from power by force. There actually people who are advocating this right now.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 25, 2012, 02:11:44 AM
This movie had a very anti-Communist slant. Selina walks into the trashed penthouse and says "This used to be somebodies home" and Holly pipes in "But now it belongs to the people!" Then Selina looks around at the ruins like "This whole collectivism thing was a bad idea."
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 25, 2012, 03:20:59 AM
God damn, people are expecting another Batman reboot?! Sony's doing it with Spider-Man, and people were pissed about that. The origin story has been told, so they just need to continue the story and make it an actual series.
That goes for Spidey and Batman.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 25, 2012, 04:11:26 AM
This movie had a very anti-Communist slant. Selina walks into the trashed penthouse and says "This used to be somebodies home" and Holly pipes in "But now it belongs to the people!" Then Selina looks around at the ruins like "This whole collectivism thing was a bad idea."
There was a time while I watching the film when I thought they were lesbians. That scene contributed to the theory.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 25, 2012, 04:15:19 AM
God damn, people are expecting another Batman reboot?! Sony's doing it with Spider-Man, and people were pissed about that. The origin story has been told, so they just need to continue the story and make it an actual series.
That goes for Spidey and Batman.
Nolan wanted it to be a trilogy. I think the reboot is ok because the director felt like he told a complete story. It's an artistic reason, not a business on. Besides, it'll be easier to tie in to a JLA movie with a complete reboot. In this series, Brice Wayne is done being Batman. He's passed on the mantle. When people see a Justice League movie, they wanna see Bruce Wayne as Batman. That's the mainstream status quo.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 25, 2012, 06:52:16 AM
No one but Bruce Wayne should be Batman (in the current timeframe, it's OK in the future of Gotham to have Terry McGinnis as Batman Beyond). I don't care what Nolan wanted, though the way TDKR ended, it makes sense to scrap the whole thing and create another new universe. With the new one, I hope it follows the traditional Batman story more (especially B:TAS). Not saying I didn't like the Nolan movies (though the first 45 minutes of BB is boring as hell).
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Post by: Stogi on July 25, 2012, 12:02:42 PM
Not my favorite movie, that's the Dark Knight, but a really good, tense popcorn flick.
I really wish Bane and Batman did more. They met twice; Batman lost, then he won. I also wanted Bane to punch someone through a wall. Is that too much to ask?
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 25, 2012, 05:18:45 PM
No one but Bruce Wayne should be Batman (in the current timeframe, it's OK in the future of Gotham to have Terry McGinnis as Batman Beyond). I don't care what Nolan wanted, though the way TDKR ended, it makes sense to scrap the whole thing and create another new universe. With the new one, I hope it follows the traditional Batman story more (especially B:TAS). Not saying I didn't like the Nolan movies (though the first 45 minutes of BB is boring as hell).
Batman: TAS is somewhat based on the Tim Burton films (in addition to the comics).
If the Batman film series is rebooted again, I hope they go for a more gothic look, since it fit the character well in the Burton films. I just don't see how a modern day "New York" fits the Batman mythos.
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Post by: Stogi on July 25, 2012, 05:48:01 PM
If they do reboot it, they should use the Batman Beyond formula.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 25, 2012, 08:16:00 PM
I'm okay with Batman Beyond. Do a Batman beyond trilogy and it would some space before the next Batman movie proper.
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Post by: broodwars on July 25, 2012, 08:22:06 PM
A trilogy of Batman Beyond movies would be awesome. I'll take that over another Batman movie reboot in a heartbeat.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 25, 2012, 08:41:59 PM
Shia Lebouff as Terry, Clint Eastwood as Bruce?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 25, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
Please, no. Keep LeBeouf away from any Batman Beyond movie, I don't want to see him as Terry McGinnis.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 25, 2012, 08:53:34 PM
What kind of name is Shia Lebouf anyway? Sounds like the name you'd give a poodle.
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Post by: Stogi on July 25, 2012, 09:09:18 PM
I actually think Joseph Gordon-Levitt would be great. After all, the Batman in Batman Beyond still has to deal with his parents, little brother and girlfriends. He has to be a bit socially awkward as well as a bad ass, and I've seen Joseph be both.
As for Bruce, I would say the Colonel from Avatar.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 25, 2012, 09:37:31 PM
Man, that Colonel in Avatar was awesome. Remember where he is chasing and shooting and he runs out of the air so he just holds his breath and keeps going? I was rooting for him to beat those blue forest hippies.
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Post by: Halbred on July 25, 2012, 09:52:25 PM
I actually think Joseph Gordon-Levitt would be great. After all, the Batman in Batman Beyond still has to deal with his parents, little brother and girlfriends. He has to be a bit socially awkward as well as a bad ass, and I've seen Joseph be both.
As for Bruce, I would say the Colonel from Avatar.
Agreed. They'd have to rework the Beyond suit so it didn't look so...basic, but this could work.
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Post by: Morari on July 25, 2012, 11:46:23 PM
If the Batman film series is rebooted again, I hope they go for a more gothic look, since it fit the character well in the Burton films. I just don't see how a modern day "New York" fits the Batman mythos.
Actually, I agree with this. Nolan's cityscape always seemed far too clean and modern for Batman... especially given the tone he was aiming for. I would have liked a bit more of Burton's aesthetics in place for how Gotham itself looked. Gothic skyscrapers simply fit.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 25, 2012, 11:57:53 PM
So how about bringing back Michael Keaton as Batman again? Or is he too old now?
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Post by: broodwars on July 26, 2012, 12:15:05 AM
So how about bringing back Michael Keaton as Batman again? Or is he too old now?
Considering how old Bruce Wayne is in Batman Beyond, I don't think age would be a problem. Personally, though, I'd rather they just dubbed Kevin Conroy in over whatever Live Action actor. :P: Coincidentally, I just started watching the short-lived WB series Birds of Prey, and it's kind of bizarre how they dubbed Mark Hamill's voice over the live action Joker's performance. :Q
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Post by: nickmitch on July 26, 2012, 02:18:15 AM
Or maybe Jon Voight. He's 73.
Anyway, Batman Beyond wouldn't work with a Justice League tie-in, taking place in the future and what not.
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Post by: Stogi on July 26, 2012, 04:23:56 AM
Why does it have to?
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 26, 2012, 06:31:51 AM
There is a Justice League in the future anyways, which includes Static (a underrated DC superhero) and Warhawk (the child of John Stewart Green Lantern and Hawkgirl).
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Post by: oohhboy on July 26, 2012, 07:33:52 AM
This isn't a Great Superhero movie, it is a Great movie. This has to be the only movie that has managed to draw tears twice let alone once. Goddamn Michael Cain. It is a wonderful way to end the trilogy. With this I don't think I can watch another superhero movie satisfactory again. It is a very natural, unforced movie that is emotionally driven. TDKR is a emotional movie where the characters are more important that the plot. There are a handful of technical errors like time continuity coming out for the Stock Exchange transitioning between Day and night too quickly. But the sum of the parts far out weight the flaws that is present.
The length felt necessary since other would have cut it into two films or cut the movie to ribbons.
I made a real effort to avoid the out of the marketing of this movie so when Talia came up I was blindsided. I should have seen it coming. Also this is the only Batman movie I have actually cared about Batman/Bruce. Anne really sold Catwomen and her story was grounded.
Unfortunately the Goddamn theater had it way too loud distorting everything making Bain's voice almost inaudible.
If there is one movie you would want to see in the theaters, it's this one.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 26, 2012, 08:13:46 AM
If age is no obstacle, then how about Adam West? He's 83. He's the original Batman from the '70s.
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Post by: Plugabugz on July 26, 2012, 09:57:39 AM
I can't take Adam West seriously as a result of Family Guy.
But no, Adam West is older than Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman and both of them are "walk and talk actors" now. So i can't see what Adam West would do that the other two didn't.
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Post by: oohhboy on July 26, 2012, 12:51:43 PM
Didn't you see Morgan Freeman jump up that ladder? The man has some action films in him yet.
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Post by: Stogi on July 26, 2012, 03:02:15 PM
I'd watch a 4 hour movie if all that happened was Morgan Freeman at a desk reading a book out loud.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 26, 2012, 04:14:46 PM
I can't take Adam West seriously as a result of Family Guy.
But no, Adam West is older than Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman and both of them are "walk and talk actors" now. So i can't see what Adam West would do that the other two didn't.
Bruce Wayne of Batman Beyond is in his 80s (maybe even 90s since its about 50 years in the future) and needs a cane to even walk around. So he's the right age. And why even mention Morgan Freeman? No way should they make Bruce Wayne black, there is no reason.
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Post by: bustin98 on July 26, 2012, 05:42:53 PM
I think Prometheus showed us that fake old doesn't do it.
I like the idea of Adam West doing it, but I doubt he has the stamina.
TJ, I think you're over-reacting to the Morgan Freeman comment. It was just a comparison, not a suggestion. Though Morgan would probably get a kick out of doing white face... ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 26, 2012, 05:55:40 PM
Morgan Freeman could play the joker. That way he could be in white face and there would be a logical reason for it.
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Post by: Kairon on July 26, 2012, 06:01:04 PM
Has Morgan Freeman done any audiobooks? Or should I just watch March of the Penguins with my eyes closed?
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Post by: Shaymin on July 26, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
Audible's got a whole two (http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_8?asin=B002V5CNOS&qid=1343347541&sr=1-8) books (http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_9?asin=B002V8MC46&qid=1343347541&sr=1-9) with reading by Morgan Freeman.
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Post by: Morari on July 26, 2012, 08:26:33 PM
And why even mention Morgan Freeman? No way should they make Bruce Wayne black, there is no reason.
I didn't think he was even talking about Morgan Freeman playing an old Bruce Wayne.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 26, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
It sounded like it was being mentioned that Freeman should play Bruce Wayne, when there is no reason at all to do so. There is no reason to change a characters race just for the hell of it.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2012, 10:43:28 PM
Who fucking cares about race? Are you seriously suggesting that Bruce Wayne will always have to be portrayed as white for the rest of time?
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Post by: oohhboy on July 26, 2012, 10:44:43 PM
Holy **** dude, you just done it AGAIN. Haven't you seen TDKR? Bloody Hell mate.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 26, 2012, 10:52:48 PM
I didn't say "Batman", I said "Bruce Wayne". There is a difference.
Obilvion, yes. Wayne is a white character. Should we go and change other characters for no reason? Should we make Romeo and Juliet with Juliet being black? Snow White with Snow White black? Etc. Just make a new character and have them be black. For example, there is a black Captain America but it is not Steve Rogers. There is a black Superman but it is not Clark Kent. I am fine with there being a black Batman, but it shouldn't be Bruce Wayne.
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Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 26, 2012, 11:12:30 PM
To date he has, but whenever you do a reboot anything is possible. People complained about Sean Connery playing James Bond because he was Scottish, and then people complained again about Daniel Craig because of him being blonde. But who cares? The Scottish Bond and the Blonde Bond ended up being better than the the more "appropriate" bond played by Pierce Brosnan. So if years from now there is a black James Bond there will no doubt be complainers, but it could turn out good.
What really matters is the individual actor that plays the role. The actor's race isn't important.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on July 27, 2012, 12:50:25 AM
If a white man played Malcolm X, would that be okay?
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Post by: Oblivion on July 27, 2012, 12:54:35 AM
If a white man played Malcolm X, would that be okay?
That's a totally different argument and completely irrelevant. Is being white a big part of Bruce Wayne's identity? Will him being black change his personality or backstory at all? The answer is no, which means it's perfectly fine to have a black actor play as Wayne.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 27, 2012, 01:24:25 AM
If a white man played Malcolm X, would that be okay?
Malcom X was a real person. That said, its perfectly okay with me... although it would probably look silly. Maybe a white actor playing Malcom X would work better as satire than a serious film?
Batman on the other hand is a FICTIONAL character and that's the key word here. Because Batman is fictional there is a lot of freedom for artistic license.
BTW, did you know Mike Henry who does the voice of Cleveland is a white guy? If a white guy can do a black cartoon character, why can't a black guy do batman? Seems fair to me.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on July 27, 2012, 01:40:01 AM
Every year, more people die in their own homes than in theaters.
Its not so much dying as dying horrifically that worries me.
Anyway, I get your point and I agree the chances of a similar attack in the near future are slim (but maybe higher than we think though, due to the copycat effect), but regardless I think sitting in a movie theater and thinking about that attack would probably adversely effect my enjoyment of the movie. So I think that's reason enough to just wait.
you could die of a heart attack while waiting for the movie to come out on dvd, and then never see it. Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.
the comments on this thread are hilarious.....
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: oohhboy on July 27, 2012, 01:58:06 AM
I can't take Adam West seriously as a result of Family Guy.
But no, Adam West is older than Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman and both of them are "walk and talk actors" now. So i can't see what Adam West would do that the other two didn't.
Didn't you see Morgan Freeman jump up that ladder? The man has some action films in him yet.
Now look what you have done, you made me quote myself. Did I really have to explain the joke? If you actually saw the movie, Morgan Freeman barely made it on to the ladder let alone up it. His pace going to that ladder would be called a walking. For all three, their action days are well behind them. You just had to go and ruin a good joke TJ.
As for old guy who could do Batman, the only real contender to Clint Eastwood just because of the level of fitness he still maintains at his age. The man is like an actor sent back from the future to make us all look bad. Also Liam Nesson could do it just coming from the Taken.
As for a reboot or sequel, I do not envy the person who has to do it besides the paycheck they would be getting. Those are so seriously massive shoes to fill. We were very lucky to get a trilogy this good out of Hollywood. I can only see any attempts to capture that same lighting in a bottle end in failure.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on July 27, 2012, 02:05:46 AM
Come on UncleBob, there was a definite Christ allegory. Savior Batman sacrifices himself for the sins of Gotham (all of Humanity) Sure, you say he was alive at the end, but Batman was sacrificed. His money, His manor, His secret identity were all given up for Gotham. Batman was no more. Of course Robin on the other hand...
I thought the point was that "Batman" was, and was meant to be, immortal. Bruce Wayne's moved on, but Robin Blake is there to take his place, etc. If anything, Wayne walking away is rather un-Christ like, since he's basically saying "I've done my part already. Peace out, Gotham."
the Christ thing....how is that not Christ like? batman just disappears, and people spot him every once in a while. Do you see Christ doing movies? Has he ran for president lately? Where has he been for the last 2000 years? How many days was it before Alfred saw Wayne again? 3 days?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Plugabugz on July 27, 2012, 05:43:33 AM
I'm amazed at how despite the blatant statement that "all three are walk and talk actors", and Adam West won't do what Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman didnt - as in past tense, in all three movies - do, I've somehow caused all of the above. Hilarious.
These exact same comments/complaints about "X shouldn't be black!" appeared when Idris Elba was cast as Heimdall before Thor started filming. And honestly, he would be a totally badass batman.
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Post by: Hey Einstein! on July 27, 2012, 08:01:30 AM
Racism? The Dark Knight Rises? I fail to see the link. I mean sure, racism sucks but TDKR only KINDA sucks.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on July 27, 2012, 08:22:55 AM
Is being white a big part of Bruce Wayne's identity?
I'd actually say that it is. Bruce Wayne is a billionaire playboy who trashes fancy cars and sleeps through board meetings. He's the epitome of the 1%... which is the whole point of his cover... he's just another rich white jerk, sitting in his fancy house doing nothing while the rest of us toil away.
But - what if they cast a white guy as Black Lightning, Black Vulcan or, even better, Static or Icon? If you screw with Dwayne McDuffie'd characters, I'm gonna be mad. :(
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 27, 2012, 08:35:06 AM
I'd actually say that it is. Bruce Wayne is a billionaire playboy who trashes fancy cars and sleeps through board meetings. He's the epitome of the 1%... which is the whole point of his cover... he's just another rich white jerk, sitting in his fancy house doing nothing while the rest of us toil away.
So according to you all rich jerks are white? There are no rich black jerks at all?
What about the black guy from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri? He was the richest and greediest dude in the game. Couldn't he be a Bruce Wayne?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on July 27, 2012, 08:40:14 AM
Are we setting the new Batman movie with the Black Bruce Wayne in the year 21xx?
Because we're starting to get pretty far away from "Batman".
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on July 27, 2012, 12:12:38 PM
while i don't really care what color the actor is in a movie, I have to say that its a cheap exploitive move that Hollywood takes just to create buzz. That being said if the actor would be a better version of the character than it is kinda warranted. However, Its very hard to mess with icons like Batman or James Bond in this way. As far as different races for super heroes go, i just prefer they come up with new superheroes. There have been a couple: Spawn, Static Shock, Cage, Black Panther, Mantis. When I'm writing, I like to think of whether not to change the characters race or gender or what, and this could have an interesting change to the whole concept.
this was an interesting movie, mainly because I was writing something similar, but didn't know where to go with it. Batman/Bruce Wayne's Plotline was great. That part was a kung fu movie. Hero gets into a fight with villain; gets ass kicked; then trains really hard; figures out that one thing he didn't know before hand; usually learns from some old man; which is key to winning; Then comes back beats the **** out of the villain. This is the plotline in: Drunken Tai Chi, Rocky III, and Karate Kid.
Banes plotline is interesting, because that was kinda the one I was writing for my movie, the only thing is I didn't know where to go with it. I wasn't writing for a superhro movie, though I had figured it m ight be a good plotline for Green Goblin and Spiderman, but I had been writing this movie about a terrorist group that takes over a city in America and then acts as despots. I had got the idea from watching the news and how the news is just set up to make you depressed and paranoid. I found it funny one of banes speeches was oddly similar to one I was writing, but of course that would come with the territory. Shredder on Ninja Turtles is kinda similar when he is telling the foot clan kids they get to party and ****. While at one hand promising them freedoms, while on another hand controlling them. Its an obvious thing to mention is that people will actually have some higher degree of freedom in a zone thats been held hostage. However, how is that different then what went on in Iraq? The obvious chaos and "liberation" would lead to rampant violence among the people. As boring as life can be in the ordered world it prevents mass violence. The people were able to claim liberty during the French revolution, but how many people were guillotined? This is why Batman, who is to some degree representative of fascism is the hero in this type of story. Some of the things Batman and Gordon do are wrong. It just how you look at it, you can either have chaos or oder. Back to Joker vs Batman.
The Talia thing I totally expected. She had said things that would imply she grew up with Ra's Al Ghul. I'm always looking for foreshadowing. I didn't trust her one bit. She got the keys to the fusion reactor and control of Wayne enterprises way too easily. Also, the way she jumped on Wayne seemed way too spy movie. Seducing him in a way to gain his trust. Its not that I don't appreciate it, it just doesn't fool me.
Anne Hathaway was great as Selina Kyle. Although I have to say when they start fighting together its kinda weird because its very sudden. I also have to say this has a lot of "don't trust women angles", though Catwomen comes away in the end.
The ending was very Inception like. Alfred set it up, and I had expected something like that. Didn't think Batman had died, and this was mainly because he had learned to fear death in the pit. Harry Potter didn't die and neither was Bruce Wayne going to. Before the pit Wayne was all about sacrificing himself for the city, but after that he was about getting the job done and still living. That sort of drive gets things done. As the old man was saying without that sort of motivation it may be harder to accomplish tasks. He would have to retire though after this because his injuries would be just too great to continue. Though he looked far less emaciated then he was before this whole mess.
I liked the Escape from New York vibe.
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Post by: Kairon on July 27, 2012, 01:41:42 PM
I still can't get over the fact that Bruce Wayne has no more cartilage in his knees. That sucks.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 27, 2012, 08:37:43 PM
You know what FICTIONAL character needs to be white? Shaft.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 27, 2012, 08:39:22 PM
I liked the fact that Bruce Wayne had kidney scarring. I HAVE KIDNEY SCARRING. I AM BATMAN.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 27, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
I'd watch a 4 hour movie if all that happened was Morgan Freeman at a desk reading a book out loud.
I hear there's a movie like that, only instead of using video of him at the desk, they use some b-roll of penguins or some ****.
Edit: So, not only did I skip over a post that already referenced March of the Penguins, I skipped over a whole race conversation. I guess I'll call it a wash.
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Post by: oohhboy on July 27, 2012, 10:54:43 PM
I blame TJ as the reason as to why we can't have anything nice.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: nickmitch on July 27, 2012, 11:09:21 PM
In any event, I don't care.
I think the point of rebooting the franchise is to tie it in to the JL movie. That movie should be streamlined for the "mass audience" who wouldn't know Damian Wayne from Tim Drake. Non-Bruce Wayne Batman may make sense, but in 3+ years people will probably forget who's supposed to be Batman.
Then again, they don't have to tie in at all, I suppose. But having a non-Bruce Wayne Batman series next to a Bruce Wayne Batman in a JL series might confuse people.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on July 28, 2012, 01:10:56 AM
It just depends how stupid Hollywood thinks the general audience is.
The grand thing about the Marvel Cinematic Universe is that the individual movies allowed them to tell origin stories and establish the characters, while the group movie allowed for them to tell a 2-hour kick-ass story without having to spend the first hour telling us who everyone is.
In a perfect world - we all know who Batman and Superman are. There's really no need to have them as individual movies before launching a kick-ass movie with Superman and Batman in it. All we need is "Oh, hey, it's Superman. And now, it's Batman. And they're fighting. Now they're friends and fighting someone else. Good guys win. Set up for the sequel... and, we're done."
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 28, 2012, 01:28:18 AM
I'm assuming that's a plot hole or something, because Bane clearly stated that the world thought that scientist was dead from the plane crash.
It's possible to know the identity of someone even if the body is burned to a crisp.
Sorry I'm so late with this (just saw the movie), but the engines were torn off of the plane before the body was dropped, so there is no need for there to be a fire to begin with. Hence, the blood will be enough evidence.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on July 28, 2012, 01:31:31 AM
except for hulk who was played by another different actor, the reboot didn't recap on the origin story, it just went on with a new plot-line. And actually, that made it better.
I don't think they should bother re-telling Batmans story, but I could go for another superman reboot. Just because superman was made in the 70s and early 80s, and i don't give a **** about the Smallville TV series. I think Superman could use some smart writing.
Green Lantern-the first movie wasn't as bad as everyone says it was, it just wasn't great, and really all they need to do is move forward with the character. Maybe they shouldn't make a green Lantern 2, maybe they should just wait to put him back in the Justice League movie, I don't see any reason to reboot Green Lantern it would be goddamn redundant. Even better, it would be good to have Sinestro as the first villain of the first Justice league movie. If I were WB I would already have a new batman ready, I would have Paul Dini and/or Bruce Timm write it, and it would be about Mr. Freeze.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 28, 2012, 01:32:50 AM
I think DC wants to copy Marvel's success and I'm pretty sure Hollywood thinks the general audience is pretty stupid.
I think everyone knows who the Justice League is. Most people probably know the Avengers too. But having movies lead in to to builds hype. The Avengers grossed almost as much as two Iron Man movies. The Justice League wouldn't do as well without the mind share that Marvel generated with its movies.
I wouldn't say that a reboot has to have an origin story. But resetting the universe so that Bruce Wayne doesn't take an 8 year vacation wouldn't be a terrible thing.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2012, 01:43:41 AM
I don't think anyone but hardcore comic fans would have any idea who Damian Wayne is. He wasn't truely introduced until 2006, and only 2 non-comic appearances: 1 episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold and as one of the dozens of characters in the just released game LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes (and that is only as a pre-order bonus pack at Amazon and GameStop). So he would be too obscure.
As for a Marvel-style tie-in to the planned JL movie (last time one was announced, it got canceled), DC already said they have no plans to do individual tie-in movies. So the JL movie would have its own continuity and not be connected to the next Superman movie or any future Batman movie.
The Avengers did need the tie-in, they are not as well known to the general public as Justice League is. This is especially true for someone like Thor (who is pretty much a B-level super hero). And really who even knows about someone like Hawkeye?
Calling it a vacation is a stretch, Batman got his wish of a virtually crime free Gotham (even if it was temporary since it was based on a lie).
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 28, 2012, 01:49:07 AM
I hope they continue with the current story, with Robin taking over (though as Batman). When I was watching the movie and they kept saying how anyone could be Batman, I was thinking that Blake would assume the role while Batman was in prison (or if he died). When Batman went off with the bomb, I remember thinking about how Alfred quit, and it was pretty obvious that the restaurant scene was going to happen. Still, the movie was fucking fantastic, but I would have rather scene Batman kill Bane than Catwoman. It's also just amazing how good special effects have gotten. I can't remember any part of the Avengers or TDKR where I thought "that looks fake."
Also, while we're all talking about how racist TJ Spyke is...lets not forget that Michael Clark Duncan played Kingpin (and Wilson Fisk...who is "always white") in DareDevil.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 28, 2012, 02:05:57 AM
I think continuing the Nolan-verse with JGL would make a great TV series. He could even be more detective like since he's a cop.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on July 28, 2012, 02:07:37 AM
Yeah, they made the bad guy black...
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 28, 2012, 02:08:57 AM
Makes me wonder if TJ Spyke has a writing credit for DareDevil on IMDB...
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Post by: nickmitch on July 28, 2012, 02:18:40 AM
I honestly don't think there was a white guy who could've played King Pin. They may be big and bald, but no one has a stature as intimidating as Michael Clark Duncan.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on July 28, 2012, 03:40:29 AM
Michael Clark Duncan was one of few actors to be the right size for KingPin, but John Goodman(at the time)? IDK most armchair comic book movie fans think in terms of actors who already look like their counterparts. Think however, if you took Walt from Breaking bad as he is now and put him next to the dad from Malcom in the Middle, would you ever think they could be the same person?
or maybe the king pin just needs a character adjustment for the big screen? Maybe he is tall, does he have to be fat? OR you know Tom Hardy isn't that tall, but next to the bigger Christian bale he seemed dominating in size because of the way they set up the cameras.
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Post by: Plugabugz on July 28, 2012, 09:37:32 AM
Stephen Fry as Kingpin would have been hilarious.
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Post by: ThePerm on July 28, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
that would be pretty awesome, he is a tall dude, and his accent is pretty good for it too. at least he sounds like the kingpin from the 90s spiderman series that is.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Morari on July 28, 2012, 11:34:34 AM
I think DC wants to copy Marvel's success and I'm pretty sure Hollywood thinks the general audience is pretty stupid.
Correction, Hollywood knows that the general audience is incredibly stupid.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: nickmitch on July 28, 2012, 08:22:03 PM
"Incredibly" is a strong word. "Sufficiently" might be better. Sounds less mean.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Halbred on July 28, 2012, 08:46:32 PM
I'll say it again: they need to make a Power Girl movie, base it on the first three or four issues of her solo series, and cast Diora Baird in the lead role. That'll get more than just the fanboys in the theaters. Then she can be a member of the Justice League for the movie! :-D
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Post by: nickmitch on July 28, 2012, 09:09:10 PM
In case anyone had doubts: Yes, she's busty, and yes you can see them.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: oohhboy on July 29, 2012, 01:02:32 AM
Can she act? *Who the **** gives a ****, she is straight up pornographic* Thats how you write an article on boobs.
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 29, 2012, 01:19:54 AM
I googled here. Her face seems too narrow for power girl.
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Post by: oohhboy on July 29, 2012, 01:22:54 AM
I do believe my good sir, you have missed the point as to what power girl is.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on July 29, 2012, 01:26:57 AM
Power Girl? Superman's once-cousin, but that continuity was wiped out, now she's an Atlantian sorcerer or some crap, wait, no, now that entire continuity is back and she's Superman's cousin again? That Power Girl?
Look, I don't think audiences are as stupid as Hollywood, but if you try to throw that into a movie, you're asking for trouble.
Superman's cousin is Supergirl. And we only need one S-Shield in this movie.
Unless you want to bring back Shaq as Steel.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: nickmitch on July 29, 2012, 02:22:34 AM
I think a Steel movie could work, if they tried it again. Lots of good, black actors to take the roll these days.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on July 29, 2012, 02:28:15 AM
Naw, we'll make him white. Race doesn't matter. :D :D :D
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 29, 2012, 01:00:18 PM
Ha!
But seriously, If they do make a Justice League movie in a couple years with the current Green Lantern and Superman, who is the new Batman? New Flash? New Wonder Woman? Martian Manhunter?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Adrock on July 29, 2012, 01:03:11 PM
Power Girl? Superman's once-cousin, but that continuity was wiped out, now she's an Atlantian sorcerer or some crap, wait, no, now that entire continuity is back and she's Superman's cousin again? That Power Girl?
Look, I don't think audiences are as stupid as Hollywood, but if you try to throw that into a movie, you're asking for trouble.
Superman's cousin is Supergirl. And we only need one S-Shield in this movie.
Unless you want to bring back Shaq as Steel.
To be fair, she is only the cousin of Earth-Two's Superman, not the main Superman.
ShyGuy, no worries about that since the planned JL movie will have no connection to the current DC movies.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on July 29, 2012, 04:32:10 PM
Oh, so she's not Superman's cousin, she's Superman's cousin from another dimension that doesn't exist anymore oh wait it does.
Geesh, at this point, DC might as well make a Hawkman movie that details everything about the character. You know, the Egyptian Hawk God from another planet thing. :D
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 29, 2012, 07:49:51 PM
Hawk Man is an archeologist.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2012, 07:52:08 PM
What do you think Nolan will do now? Have another blockbuster like Inception, or make an unstated film like Memento or Insomnia?
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Post by: ShyGuy on July 29, 2012, 08:11:18 PM
Rumors are a Howard Hughes biopic based on the crazy years.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 30, 2012, 01:28:24 AM
What about boobs that shoot laser beams or something like that? Or boobs that can lactate acid into someone's face which causes their face to melt off and kills them? Wouldn't these be great boob related powers?
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Post by: oohhboy on July 30, 2012, 01:41:52 AM
Only if you plan to commit crimes against nature.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 30, 2012, 02:02:28 AM
I've read that the Amazons from Greek mythology would cut one or both of their breasts off so that they could be better at using bows and arrows in battle. If boobs are a disadvantage for super heroes, then perhaps they could just be removed? The heroine may be less aesthetically appealing for the fans, but she might be more effective... And let's face it, without boobs people would be forced to take her more seriously, because she wouldn't just be eye candy then.
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Post by: Hey Einstein! on July 30, 2012, 09:25:30 AM
I think a Steel movie could work, if they tried it again. Lots of good, black actors to take the roll these days.
Did you mean to imply that Shaquille O'Neal was the greatest African American actor alive and working in 1997?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 30, 2012, 11:08:31 AM
Chozo you are quickly taking kytim's place as the worst poster.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Ian Sane on July 30, 2012, 12:14:15 PM
Saw the film on the weekend (or should I stay on topic and keep talking about boobs?) and thought it was good. I actually had to really go to the bathroom during the final scene with bomb timer counting down which added a lot of extra tension to the scene. :) I like Dark Knight better but I don't know if I prefer this or Batman Begins. It's comparable to the other movies though at least. It's nice when a trilogy goes through with every film being good. The third film is so often the stumbling point.
One thing I could not help but notice though - why does Bane sound like Sean Connery? He's this huge intimidating badass and he sounds like a 70 year old man. Though Bale's Batman sounds like a 13 year old boy trying to do a "man voice" so I guess it all fits a rather odd stylistic choice.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 30, 2012, 12:16:07 PM
Probably based on where he came from...and the mask that he wears which muffles it a bit.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: oohhboy on July 30, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
Bane a lot of the time sounded rather lyrical, like V in V for Vendetta. Bane's back story wasn't told past his prison rescue, so I can only assume that he is from the UK. Race nor nationality appear to be a factor when you get thrown into a hell hole of a prison. His back story wasn't as important as the myth of the child born into and escaping the prison and how through theatricality is used to blindside the Batman and the audience into believing he was that child. The thing is that he told the truth the entire time and had never stated that he was ever that child. Everybody merely inferred that he was. However the theater I was in was way, way too loud, almost to the point of pain, past the speakers specs, distorting the hell out of Bane when ever his voice went above talking or too deeply.
Bale's Batman in this movie had toned down the gravel a lot compared to peak gravel in Dark Knight. Unlike the Dark Knight, there was never point where I couldn't understand Batman. It was a rather pleasant change and one he should have done back in the first film as the only real blemish in his performance over the three films.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on July 30, 2012, 02:12:08 PM
Banes voice makes me think of Darth Vaders voice before and after it was dubbed by James Earl Jones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQFho0_G1VI
i think i mentioned above batman's/banes styory reminds me of Drunkey Tai Chi, Rocky 3, and Karate Kid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8seXGeVxQ
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Ian Sane on July 30, 2012, 02:24:15 PM
I'd also like to point out that Perm's avatar is what tipped me off that the mayor in these movies is fuckin' BATMANUEL! I wonder if that bit of casting was on purpose as a subtle "wink wink". The prison warden was the guard from Prison Break. No way THAT wasn't intentional.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on July 30, 2012, 03:16:43 PM
yeah, i laughed when I saw Bellick. John Nolan has TV ties, so yeah. Or Wade Williams thought he could apply for another job as a prison guard. He has the credentials to play one.
it would be hilarious if Nestor Carbonel came out dressed as Batmanuel on the set of tdk or tdkr. On the other hand Bale might freak out.
i need to rewatch the ballroom scene from the movie. That would be spectacular if that were used.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Halbred on July 31, 2012, 10:50:32 PM
Did nobody read where I said that the Power Girl movie should be based off the first few issues of her solo series? She fights Ultra-Humanite and the storyline is basically completely removed from the rest of the DC continuity.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 01, 2012, 01:01:28 AM
I'd also like to point out that Perm's avatar is what tipped me off that the mayor in these movies is fuckin' BATMANUEL! I wonder if that bit of casting was on purpose as a subtle "wink wink". The prison warden was the guard from Prison Break. No way THAT wasn't intentional.
The stupid cop who doesn't lets the people cross the bridge at the end is played the same guy who plays a stupid cop on Dexter as well. The guy who played the President also played the Secretary of Defense in seasons four and five of 24. Plus the leader of one of Bane's mercenary groups was played by the same guy who played Teal'c in Stargate SG-1 who at the start of the series was one of the leaders of the villains forces as well.
So yeah there was some nice TV nods going on in this film.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Stogi on August 01, 2012, 01:09:30 AM
I think with this movie completing an epic trilogy and the Avengers bringing several movie plot-lines together, that Hollywood should focus on something else. Leave the superheros alone for a while. Over the past decade we've had more than enough (despite the box office declaring otherwise). And introducing more and more characters or more outrageous situations is going to take away from the novelty of each individual origin story and make each character static (if they aren't already...I'm looking at you Iron Man).
I want Hollywood to focus instead on Manga and Anime. There are plenty of interesting settings, characters and story lines that could be...well let's be honest...exploited. My favorite of which is an epic Space Opera in the same vein as Star Wars, but much, much more mature (as in intellectually stimulating) and without all the different species. It's called "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" and despite it's stupid name, it has all the meticulous fantasy of a Tolkien book, the political and moral depth of Plato's Republic, and the action of the worst Michael Bay films. The story has it all: revenge, political domination, coup d'etats, military occupation, diplomatic impunity, religious zealousness, insurgencies, and assassinations - all on different planets or in space.
But I understand if you are not excited by this prospect as much as I am. Anime can be so bland at times, with it's formulaic approach and over the top actions or reactions. Even Miyazaki, the Animation God, is guilty (and maybe the reason why others still follow those guidelines). Hollywood could streamline it though and focus on the story, characters, and settings. They could do what they did for the comic book industry to the manga industry.
As much as I would want to see Apocalypse and Magneto face off in another X-Men, these super hero movies have nowhere to go except for mindless fun.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 01, 2012, 01:24:12 AM
What we need now instead of comic book super heroes is movies based off of Video Game franchises and characters. I think we are overdue to revisit the concept of a Super Mario Bros. movie. Sure, the one back in the '90s was garbage, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been done right.
The Batman movie that starred George Clooney is considered garbage by most, yet the batman movies with Michael Keaten and the most recent ones are considered good. So just because the George Clooney Batman sucked doesn't mean the franchise didn't have potential. It just wasn't done right. And the same also applies to a Super Mario Bros. film.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 01, 2012, 01:24:46 AM
im up for a reboot of Dragon Ball already, they fucked it up. Who should direct it? Ang Lee or Yimou Zhang? Why a chinese director? Because Dragon Ball is a tournament movie. The Dragon Balls are like a side quest, and if there were to be several movies it would be good if they escalated to crazier super powered type stuff.
also, it wasn't so much that George Clooney was a bad Batman, he was just in an overproduced movie meant to sell toys. I still prefer Batman Forever over Batman Returns. I have all the movies. I was kinda disappointed Returns wasn't as good as I remember.
Ninja Turtles was something someone recently was saying wasn;t as good as they remember, but i just watched that **** and it was great. Now I need to watch Secret of the Ooze, im sure that one doesn't hold up as well.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 01, 2012, 01:32:26 AM
It doesn't. I remember thinking it was the better of the two when I was a kid, but I watched them both with my kids a while back and TMNT2 is pure crap, especially when Shredder mutates...into a bigger person (Kevin Nash) and for some reason he gets more spikes and crap too.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 01, 2012, 01:38:21 AM
TMNT2 wasn't too bad. The one which really sucked was TMNT3 when they go back in time to ancient Japan.... that one made no sense and there was no reason for it. Why take a formula which works, and then out of left field go off on some weird tangent for no reason? TMNT2 may not have been as good as the first, but the third one is the reason why the entire franchise went dormant for over a decade.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Plugabugz on August 01, 2012, 03:12:57 AM
Video game franchises simply won't make it to screen any time soon. If anything they seem to get stuck half way through development and sit there - Halo, Gears of War, Metroid (??!), another Tomb Raider, Castlevania, Hitman, Uncharted etc.
The ones that DO come to fruition - Resident Evil, Silent Hill - Diverge sharply from the source material that gamers simply don't like them.
So yeah there was some nice TV nods going on in this film.
Jonathan Nolan (Chris' brother, who co-wrote the film) is the showrunner of Person of Interest and that show can be best described as a modern batman. It has the same feel in places.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Stogi on August 01, 2012, 03:13:11 AM
TMNT2 holds up because of the Ninja Rap.
And basing anything on Video Games will never work because video game stories suck in comparison to everything else. That's why Video Game authors work for Video Game companies instead of Hollywood.
The only thing that Video Games do well is atmosphere. The settings in which you play the games are fantastic, but that has more to do with the gameplay than the story.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Ian Sane on August 01, 2012, 12:24:48 PM
How about instead of making tons of comic book movies or switching to anime or videogame movies they come up with NEW IDEAS? Seriously if it's not some sort of IP that everyone has already heard of, Hollywood doesn't seem interested. And now we have crap like Spider-Man and Superman being rebooted less than ten years after the last film because they're running out of IP so they need to start over again.
Avatar is a new IP that became absolutely huge and all Hollywood got from it was the idea to make everything 3D. The fact that it didn't rely on some established "brand" was completely ignored.
I've heard people point out that there are only so many stories one can tell. That's no excuse to just remake everything. The setting, the characters, the style are what makes a film unique. I don't care if you're pulling out the same basic plot template that all movies have, just give it a unique twist. I would prefer that to unnecessary remakes and reboots.
I have found myself watching less and less current movies because of a general instinctive revulsion towards all the rehashing. Remakes like The Thing or Total Recall actually make me angry because the original versions of the those films are some of my favourite movies ever and I don't want their legacy damaged by some stupid cash-in. Someday we'll get a Star Wars remake or a Godfather remake. It WILL happen and it will be ridiculously embarassing.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: noname2200 on August 01, 2012, 01:07:14 PM
I can't tell if those of you asking for movies based on anime/manga/videogames are joking or not. :(
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 01, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
I have about 30 ideas for new movies, i just need Hollywood to give me money. Im pre-planning a kickstarter campaign. So in the next 6 years if everything goes well you could see 3-5 new movie ideas.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Khushrenada on August 03, 2012, 01:42:05 AM
I have movie ideas as well. Let's swap stories.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: nickmitch on August 03, 2012, 09:48:03 PM
I think a Steel movie could work, if they tried it again. Lots of good, black actors to take the roll these days.
Did you mean to imply that Shaquille O'Neal was the greatest African American actor alive and working in 1997?
Lol! I was saying that there werent many people who could fill the role. You at least want a buff guy playing Irons.
Hollywood has almost never had that many original ideas. Many classics are based on books or plays. Comics are just a new medium for Hollywood to farm ideas from. Though some fresh ideas would be nice.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: tendoboy1984 on August 05, 2012, 06:32:03 PM
Hollywood has no original ideas?
Schindler's List Close Encounters of the Third Kind District 9 Poltergeist Halloween (the original John Carpenter version) Ridley Scott's Alien Ridley Scott's Blade Runner The Fifth Element The Matrix Fern Gully James Cameron's Avatar Brad Bird's The Iron Giant Pretty much everything Pixar makes The Simpsons South Park
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Morari on August 05, 2012, 06:48:22 PM
Hollywood has no original ideas? Ridley Scott's Blade Runner
As much as I love Blade Runner, it was based upon a very successful novel. It could also be argued that The Fifth Element was taken directly from a Heavy Metal short and that The Matrix is little more than an amalgamation of various anime sources. Also, most of the "original" films you list were made decades ago. :P
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ShyGuy on August 05, 2012, 08:41:18 PM
Wasn't Schlinder's list based on a true story?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 05, 2012, 09:52:36 PM
Yes it was. Even if "based on a true story" take liberties, it still is based on true things.
Saw TDKR yesterday, really liked it. Not as good as TDK, but much better than BB.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 05, 2012, 11:22:03 PM
Dark Knight Rises - still #1 at the box office. Pretty impressive, all things considered. At 3 weekends it's only 10% behind Dark Knight's 3 weekend total.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 05, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
in the future i hope to turn this into a scary ass movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saWSxLU0ME8
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on August 06, 2012, 02:31:16 AM
An hour long lecture that puts you to sleep?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 06, 2012, 03:18:02 AM
they touch a little bit on it on slther....
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 06, 2012, 03:29:15 AM
Schindler's List Close Encounters of the Third Kind District 9 Poltergeist Halloween (the original John Carpenter version) Ridley Scott's Alien Ridley Scott's Blade Runner The Fifth Element The Matrix Fern Gully James Cameron's Avatar Brad Bird's The Iron Giant Pretty much everything Pixar makes The Simpsons South Park
Hollywood has no original ideas? Ridley Scott's Blade Runner
As much as I love Blade Runner, it was based upon a very successful novel. It could also be argued that The Fifth Element was taken directly from a Heavy Metal short and that The Matrix is little more than an amalgamation of various anime sources. Also, most of the "original" films you list were made decades ago. :P:
Dark Knight Rises - still #1 at the box office. Pretty impressive, all things considered. At 3 weekends it's only 10% behind Dark Knight's 3 weekend total.
If by "all things considered" you are referring to that shooting, its possible that did more to help it than hurt it... because it put it on the news and everyone was talking about it. They say there's no such thing as bad press, and that's true.... also look at Chick-Fil-A and they are having record sales now because of that controversy. Whether people love them or hate them, they are talking about them and hearing about them so it ends up being a good thing for them.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 06, 2012, 09:34:52 AM
Chic Fil-A thing is in no way comparable to what happened in Colorado, whatsoever. The shooting did not help the box office - it may not have hurt it THAT much, but at the very least it did not help.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 06, 2012, 12:26:49 PM
I never liked Chick-fil-A to begin with. The only thing I ever liked form them was their waffle fries. Their main chicken sandwiches aren't any better than McDonalds and they're more expensive. They have annoyed me on multiple occasions. One of them I was just wanting a chicken sandwich really bad, so i drove up through the drive through, only to be greeted with a sign explaining that because of magic people they can't be open on Sundays. I was ugh. So, I went to El Pollo Loco to get some chicken from a place with sanity. I wrote a scene in one of my screenplays about it, but now this....I won't be eating there for like 10 years.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 06, 2012, 01:01:39 PM
Yep, they are closed on Sundays. But if that makes them nuts, what about the Post Office and every other government thing? They are closed on Sundays as well. It all comes down to religion, because Sunday is the Sabbath and you aren't supposed to work then. That is a little more excusable in the case of Chick-Fil-A which is a private business and they can do what they want, but what about the government? There's supposed to be a separation of church and state, right? So we should be able to send and receive our mail on Sundays. The government shouldn't celebrate the Sabbath. They are supposed to be separate from religion.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on August 06, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
Finally watched The Dark Knight Rises yesterday. Won't go into too much analysis, as I am about to go out, but I will commend it as an entertaining action film and a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy. The theme of the Batman being a multi-faceted symbol rather than the typical preternatural superhero that's portrayed in so many films really came to a head in this final chapter. Furthermore, I am so happy that Catwoman and Bane both meshed as well as they did with this style, because I went in thinking that neither of them (based on my very limited knowledge of DC Comics) seemed like a good fit for this grittier take on the Batman universe. But they totally work, so kudos to Anne Hathaway and Tom Hardy for pulling their respective roles off. Although I will say that I never really figured out what Hardy was going for with the voice - the accent doesn't seem to settle anywhere from what I could tell and occasionally, his responses felt kind of incomprehensible (not in terms of not being able to hear him, but in terms of not understanding what he was talking about.)
I still like The Dark Knight more, though I don't know anything in this film could have topped my view of The Joker in that film. Regardless, there aren't really any better reasons to go to the cinema this summer, so you owe it to yourself to check out TDKR.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 06, 2012, 02:06:22 PM
I think the post office should be open on Sundays. There are plenty of people willing to work on Sundays. I hear talk they will close on Saturdays too. That seems like it would terribly back up mail and make the mail situation even worse. During the 90s postal workers were shooting people, thankfully the rise of the internet has made that decline. Want your mail to get some place faster? Your best bet is to mail it Wednesday, or Thursday. Those are the days with the least amount of crossover from the backup days. If you mail something cross country and you don't pay extra for express delivery don't mail it on Friday, it'll take 2 more days to get there then it should. Sunday shouldn't take the country hostage. Anyways, though I think we should veer off from this discussion. It is too close to religious, or political for these forums and has little to do with TDKR.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Morari on August 06, 2012, 06:15:03 PM
and don't forget that Avatar wasn't so original either
I've never seen it before. It essentially looked like Dances with Wolves though. :P
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 06, 2012, 09:10:31 PM
Chic Fil-A sandwiches are light years ahead of any other (besides maybe Hardees) fast food chicken sandwich for many reasons - the way it is cooked, the fact that it is prepared in-house, where the chicken comes from, etc. This belongs in the fast food thread though.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: oohhboy on August 06, 2012, 11:36:53 PM
Avatar committed the Ultimate Sin in cinema for me. It bored me. Even bad movies have some level of engagement or fun factor because of how bad they are as you internally riff trax them. The obviousness of how James Cameron was attempting to pull the emotional strings was insulting. They spent years developing a planet, yet the whole exercise came off mostly pointless as the whole movie felt like a single biome planet. Cartoon villains with equally cartoon combat. Flat characters with one played by Hollywood's most hopelessly overvalued and boring actors, Sam Worthington.
As for gay marriage, I am not sure what's the fuss it about. This will sound exactly like a comedy routine, but if Gay people want to be at miserable as other married people, so let them. It's a choice that has zero negative impact to anybody else. With all the extra marriages, you would think people would welcomes the extra business either way. Think of it as an economic stimulus(ation).
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 06, 2012, 11:37:02 PM
Chic Fil-A sandwiches are light years ahead of any other (besides maybe Hardees) fast food chicken sandwich for many reasons - the way it is cooked, the fact that it is prepared in-house, where the chicken comes from, etc. This belongs in the fast food thread though.
Maybe where you live, around here it really is mediocre. My favorite is Popeyes though.
and actually now that i remeber it wasn't El Pollo Loco that I went to instead, it was Pollo Feliz
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ShyGuy on August 07, 2012, 12:53:45 AM
WHAT IS THIS GAY CHICKEN TALK IN MY THREAD BATMAN SHOULD KICK YOUR TEETH IN AND THROW YOU OFF A BUILDING
Dirty Soviet Communists tried to screw with the length of the week and it failed horribly. one day of rest after six days of work seems to fit with our biological system. Take Mondays off, I don't care.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 01:10:35 AM
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Even stole the name of a far superior Nickelodeon series that preceded it by atleast 3 years.
YES.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 01:12:59 AM
Avatar committed the Ultimate Sin in cinema for me. It bored me.
What did you think of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 07, 2012, 04:31:13 AM
the reason why weeks are 7 days is because a month is between 28 and 31 days. If you take 28 and divide that by 4 you get 7.
I was going to make my own calender that had 30 day months and then every 4 years was a leap month that was 3 weeks or 21 days long. The months would have 28 days where they would follow they typical week calender, but at the end of the month there would be a 2 day holiday. Those days would have to have different names though. Unlike the regular calender the days wouldn't shift year to year. I'm thinking Eightsday Ninesday. The olympics are every 4 years. So it would be ideal to have the leap month in the summer. They wouldn't follow the moon very well though, but they don't really do now.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 07, 2012, 08:18:55 AM
Actually, the word AVATAR was invented by the Hindus. Their usage predates Nickelodeon by thousands of years, so James Cameron didn't steal ****... at least not from Nickelodeon anyway.
Avatar committed the Ultimate Sin in cinema for me. It bored me.
What did you think of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy?
I read the books like 5 years before the movies came out, and that fatass Peter Jackson changed everything and turned it into a dumbed down action flick just like he did with King Kong and every other single thing he does. He's as bad as Michael Bay.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ShyGuy on August 07, 2012, 08:31:15 AM
MODS LOCK THIS THREAD BEFORE I BREAK MY ONE RULE
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 07, 2012, 08:59:16 AM
King Kong was not a bad movie, nor was the first LOTR (the only one i've seen.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 07, 2012, 09:12:42 AM
King Kong was not a bad movie, nor was the first LOTR (the only one i've seen.
I didn't say it was a bad movie per se. But it deviates from the book and the vision of the author (Tolkien). If you've ever read the book you would understand. Entire chapters were ripped out for the sake of trying to cram it all in a 2 hour movie. Where was that whole thing with the Barrow Wight? Where was Tom Bombadil and the whole chapter about that? Alot of things like this were stripped out, and then to add insult to injury he went and gave some of Tom Bombadil's lines to Treebeard.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 07, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
It was actually 3 hours long, and EVERY book turned into a movie or TV show has things changed because they need to be changed to be adapted to that form of media. Even if they wanted to put everything in, it probably would have made the movie 4-5 hours long, and even 3 was pushing it. I think it still maintained the vision of Tolkien. I think Tolkien was aware of the idea of books being changed for movies and TV to have stuff like pacing fit better.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 07, 2012, 09:28:37 AM
If they needed more time they could have made the movies 6 hours long and split them in half so they would have the three movies divided into part 1 and part 2 and they would also have made more money doing it because they could have stretched the movies out over twice as many years.
But time constraints aside, there was also changed Jackson made which go against the spirit of Tolkien's vision which make no sense. For example, there was a scene in I think the third movie where Aragorn meets with the emissary from Mordor and Aragorn gets pissed off for some reason and chops his head off. That might have made for good cinematics, but that didn't happen in the book. Tolkien made Aragorn to be an honorable man who would respect the right of foreign diplomats not to be slaughtered on foreign soil, but Jackson **** all over that and it bothered me.
And I didn't like the scene he added after this battle where there was this dead Orc twitching and Legolas asked about it and Gimli said it was "because my axe is embedded in his nervous system". WTF?! People in that time wouldn't even know what a nervous system is. Why would he say that? That doesn't happen in the book. It was something Jackson tossed in for no reason.
You talk about the movies being limited by time constraints, but Jackson added in a lot of stuff that was never in the book. He might have cut more than he added, but instead of adding his own stuff he should have just cut out less of the original work.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on August 07, 2012, 10:55:49 AM
This is an awesome Batman thread...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 12:25:23 PM
Chozo, I'm sorry, but you are completely and utterly wrong. I have also read the books and I find that I don't give a flying **** what Tolkien intended. The movies are better. They were a mindless action flick because a majority of the 11 hour (if you watch the extended edition like me) runtime of the series doesn't involve fighting.
And dude, there's no reason to call Jackson a fat ass. Not cool. Especially when he's skinny as hell now.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 07, 2012, 12:53:21 PM
the romans knew what a nervous system, but a couple hundred year later people didn't. Thats why they call it the dark ages. This doesn't take place on real earth, and Legolis is an elf and Gimli is a mythical dwarf. You can't say they didn't know this because its in the middle ages, because its not in the middle ages, its a fictional universe.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 07, 2012, 04:03:59 PM
Even if they somehow knew about the central nervous system, that particular scene appears no where in the books.
Also, what about about how all the characters are made out to be bumbling buffoons? Gimli in particular gets picked on a lot in the movies as a borderline useless bumbling idiot. In the books he isn't like that. And why is it Legolas has bleach blonde hair, yet somehow has dark eyebrows? Would it have killed Jackson to invest a few more seconds of his time to make sure Orlando Bloom's eyebrows didn't give away the fact he isn't really blonde? This seems like a minor oversight, but considering Legolas is a major character that appears frequently in all the movies it is unforgivable. And its not like this was some 2-bit movie with a very limited budget, either.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Khushrenada on August 07, 2012, 04:05:56 PM
and don't forget that Avatar wasn't so original either
I've never seen it before. It essentially looked like Dances with Wolves though. :P:
Yes! Finally saw Dances with Wolves last december and what an absolutely great movie that is. I haven't had a movie experience that so involved in quite some time. Afterwards, when I was recommending it and explaining it to someone to check it out, I realized that it was quite similar to Avatar. I remember Unclebob using the phrase Dances with Wolves in space to describe Avatar awhile back also. That said, the way BlackNMild2k1 shows the Pocahontas comparison does make it seem like the closer rip-off.
Even if they somehow knew about the central nervous system, that particular scene appears no where in the books.
Also, what about about how all the characters are made out to be bumbling buffoons? Gimli in particular gets picked on a lot in the movies as a borderline useless bumbling idiot. In the books he isn't like that. And why is it Legolas has bleach blonde hair, yet somehow has dark eyebrows? Would it have killed Jackson to invest a few more seconds of his time to make sure Orlando Bloom's eyebrows didn't give away the fact he isn't really blonde? This seems like a minor oversight, but considering Legolas is a major character that appears frequently in all the movies it is unforgivable. And its not like this was some 2-bit movie with a very limited budget, either.
Dude, stop fucking nitpicking every little thing. Gimli was not a bumbling idiot in the film. He liked to drink, he fought just as hard as the men, and had a bit of humor to him. He was he protrayed as stupid?
And for the love of god, stop hating on anything that wasn't in the books. The books weren't perfect, and they were written a very long time ago. Culture has changed. Society has changed. These changes were modernization. Let it go man. Stop nitpicking.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 07, 2012, 04:49:32 PM
Even if they somehow knew about the central nervous system, that particular scene appears no where in the books.
Also, what about about how all the characters are made out to be bumbling buffoons? Gimli in particular gets picked on a lot in the movies as a borderline useless bumbling idiot. In the books he isn't like that. And why is it Legolas has bleach blonde hair, yet somehow has dark eyebrows? Would it have killed Jackson to invest a few more seconds of his time to make sure Orlando Bloom's eyebrows didn't give away the fact he isn't really blonde? This seems like a minor oversight, but considering Legolas is a major character that appears frequently in all the movies it is unforgivable. And its not like this was some 2-bit movie with a very limited budget, either.
first of all its an adaptations, because of this they can add and subtract anything from the books. They could make something radically different if they wanted. Making a movie that is just like a book wouldn't work. Those are called mini series, about 15 years from now it will be possible to do something like that and make it look good for a reasonable budget.
as far a Gimli being an idiot... George W. Bush went to Harvard AND Yale. It is possible to be contradictory in character. They might have even intentionally inserted this line for that reason.
I have blond eyebrows... they are no good. They give you this rottweiler appearance. Darker Eyebrows frame the face and make the eyes pop out more. Not bleaching them was a stylistic choice. Peter Jackson is not the one in charge of the makeup. He doesn't do that. He hasn't done that since brain dead. There are however a team of experts, and im sure one of them thought about it and thought "nah, he looks better that way"
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Khushrenada on August 09, 2012, 12:38:21 PM
By the way, if this was in answer to my idea of swapping movie ideas, then allow me to swap one with you. I don't know if you've been following the situation in Ukraine for the past 8 years but it's been really interesting. Back in 2004, there was the Orange Revolution which changed the government to one pro-west. The winner of that election made accusations that he had been poisoned by the opposition or from Russian agents seeking to keep the country with a pro-east government in power. But after a few years, that revolution failed and the pro-east ruler was re-elected. Interestingly, there is a woman (not going to look up the name, somthing long and Ukrainian) but if I recall my facts correctly, she worked with the Pro-West leader and helped him get elected and was a huge figurehead in the Orange Revolution. However, she had a falling out with the pro-west leader and helped in him losing the next election to the pro-east ruler although she was seeking to become the ruler herself she became the prime minister. Obviously, she didn't get along with the pro-east ruler and they clashed over many things. Finally, the pro-east ruler had her arrested on charges that she murdered some business leaders so that her company could buy up their assets and gain the wealth and influence that it did. She denies this and is opposing him from her prison cell now.
I think it would make a really interesting move of power, politics, betrayal and subterfuge.
Anyways, that's one current idea I've recently become interested in.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 09, 2012, 02:58:09 PM
I know nothing about her positions on the issues, but from the look of her I think she's got my vote...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Khushrenada on August 09, 2012, 04:27:23 PM
Yep. That's her.
Plus, I think it would be a sort of timely movie. With the recent Arab spring revolutions, it would be a warning to show how revolutions can succeed at first yet still fail and things revert back to how they were. This is already sort of close to happening in Egypt. However, with it being a European country and more of a pro-West vs Russia or pro-east movement, it might be more appealing to the U.S. audience than a movie with about an Arab nation. Not tying to get political. Just making a statement based on what I think are viewing tastes based off other movie's box-office earnings.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: oohhboy on August 09, 2012, 05:29:07 PM
Ah, the "Gas witch/princess of Ukraine (http://myanimelist.net/character/26351/Yulia_Tymoshenko)".
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on August 10, 2012, 11:35:12 PM
I know nothing about her positions on the issues, but from the look of her I think she's got my vote...
id hit it
whoah, whichever dude she's talking about is hung like a horse!
anywho; I'm bumping this thread to ask if anyone has picked up the home release. Have you?
I have and I'm in one of my curious modes.. I've always been curious at what sort of details the film makers put into the background or certain scenes. So here's a small little find that might be interesting to some.
The scene where Bruce pulls up Selina Kyle's criminal record, you can clearly see quite a bit of info on there. Her date of birth is listed as 9/21/85, making her about 27 if the film is set in 2012. She's 5'7 at 125lbs.. meow indeed ;)
As seen in the scenes where she steals Bruce's car, she is a fan of speeding as she has a ****-load of speeding violations, at least 10 (listed on screen) between the years of 2010 and 2011 (a good indication that the film might be taking place in 2012, thus verifying her age).
Her criminal charges list shoplifting and resisting arrest of course, but the one I found most interesting was drunk & disorderly conduct, what makes it even better though is the date of the charge is listed as 11/3/98, making her 13 at the time LOL. The shoplifting and resisting arrests charges (2 each shown on screen) are from around the same time, '98 and '99.
Now, I'm no Batman nerd, unfortunately :P, so I don't know what the cannon back-story is for Selina Kyle but I'd imagine it's accurate that she started burgling at a young age. The drunk & disorderly charge at 13 though just makes for a funner visual, at least to me.
Wonder what other interesting things I'll find..
and yes, I'm incredibly bored. I have a bad cold and I'm a little hung-over right now with nothing better to do
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 09, 2012, 09:05:17 PM
There is no set Batman canon, it varies from medium to medium (and even within the same medium, from comic to comic , movie to movie, tv series to tv series, etc.)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Kytim89 on December 09, 2012, 09:22:07 PM
There is no set Batman canon, it varies from medium to medium (and even within the same medium, from comic to comic , movie to movie, tv series to tv series, etc.)
When I went to watch the Dark Knight Rises in the theatre when Catwoman showed up in her suit for the first time in the move all of the dudes (including myself) were giving the catt call whistle. It literally echoed through the room. The casting director did a good job of selectin Anne Hathaway for the role, and the wardrobe did a good job on her costume. ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 09, 2012, 09:29:07 PM
She was nice, but not as good as you say. And the cat whistle thing is corny and lame, and something only pigs do.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on December 09, 2012, 10:27:29 PM
Pigs can whistle?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: nickmitch on December 09, 2012, 11:18:03 PM
I didn't think she was that hot. Not to say Anne Hathaway isn't good looking or anything.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ShyGuy on December 09, 2012, 11:37:22 PM
I have the one true Batman Canon in my head.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ShyGuy on December 09, 2012, 11:37:51 PM
Around these parts we call groundhogs (yellow bellied marmots) whistle pigs.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: EasyCure on December 12, 2012, 10:24:46 PM
You ever go to IMDB when you're bored and read about movie goofs and then try to go back and see if you can catch them?
That didn't happen. I noticed a wire that must of been carrying The Bat (plane) and it annoyed me because I'll never "unsee" it now, and I just bought the damn movie. grr
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 12, 2012, 10:28:02 PM
http://youtu.be/IkMPZ7WeDck
A good laugh. Some genius has had a play with Bane's dialog in a few of the scenes.
Loving the disco music in the batwing.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: EasyCure on December 12, 2012, 10:57:06 PM
I actually posted that in the youtube funhouse thread, further proving the funhouse is dead :(
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: tendoboy1984 on December 12, 2012, 11:31:10 PM
There is no set Batman canon, it varies from medium to medium (and even within the same medium, from comic to comic , movie to movie, tv series to tv series, etc.)
The canon goes like this:
- Rich billionaire Bruce Wayne sees his parents killed as a child - As an adult, he goes on a long spiritual journey to find himself and train in martial arts - When Bruce returns to Gotham, he decides to fight crime - He chooses a disguise that will invoke fear in his enemies: A Bat - As Batman, Bruce uses his wit, stealth, and gadgets to take down the criminals of the city - His trusty butler, Alfred, assists him in his crime-fighting duties, acting as a sort-of sleuth behind the scenes - Along the way, Batman befriends a young boy who will eventually become his sidekick, Robin - Batman's main villains are The Joker, Two Face, Catwoman, and The Penguin
THE END
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: ThePerm on December 13, 2012, 12:07:55 AM
i'll accept that answer
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: UncleBob on December 13, 2012, 12:39:59 AM
I don't. Just about any one of those things can be found to not apply in one version or another of the Batman mythos.
The 60's Batman never goes into the origin. We just accept that rich playboy Bruce Wayne is Batman. So, you can leave out the part about him seeing his parents killed, the training, why he chose a bat as a disguise, etc. Also, no Two-Face.
Heck, the original serials didn't have any recognizable villains in them. And Robin isn't really a "boy".
Silver-Age Batman (and some other versions, along with the background cameo of the original Batsuit) had Batman getting his inspiration of the Batman costume from a costume his father wore at a costume party years ago.
Alfred wasn't always the former-secret agent character he's become. He was originally just a portly butler to Wayne Manor.
Of course, all of this ignores the various elseworlds and alternate universe comics (and the handful of animated elseworlds tales). An interesting one to look at would be Just Imagine... Stan Lee's Batman.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: Ian Sane on December 13, 2012, 12:14:41 PM
Since Batman started as a comic book I would say that the DC Comics mainline continuity is the "proper" Batman canon. Of course with all the pre and post Crisis stuff that in itself is complicated. I haven't followed comics in a long time but I vaguely know that DC has had similar universe-altering events since then. Still that makes a proper canon, just a very complicated one that involves multiple alternate universes merging into one, and that undoubtedly has plot holes and inconsistencies.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: nickmitch on December 13, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
Yeah, the "New 52" continuity is just screwy, and the writers don't seem to give two shits about it. I would take the current continuity to be the "official" canon, like Ian. Although, the film clearly sets and follows its own canon.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 13, 2012, 02:44:57 PM
The DCAU continuity is by far the best one, and he one people should use
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises with SPOILERS
Post by: nickmitch on December 13, 2012, 03:37:16 PM
I'd like to see the one in Young Justice (eventhough I don't particularly care for the Joker in that one) be expanded upon to see what that could be like.
