That news link also has two very nice trailers too.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: UncleBob on March 15, 2012, 12:52:06 AM
Yay yay yay. Rewatched the first three seasons to get ready. :D
Burned a copy of the movie as tribute.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: broodwars on March 15, 2012, 12:34:18 PM
I have high hopes for that series, although I'm concerned about how compelling it's going to be when the Avatar has already mastered 3 out of the 4 elements.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Oblivion on March 15, 2012, 06:20:02 PM
If you have facebook, like The Legend Of Korra's official facebook. If they get 100,000 likes, we'll get the episode on korranation.com on March 24th.
The premeire will be a two 30 minute episodes. Also, if you have an Xbox, you'll be able to download the first episode for free.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 15, 2012, 06:39:12 PM
Also, if you have an Xbox, you'll be able to download the first episode for free.
Is it just for Xbox Live Gold members or anyone with a Xbox Live account?
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Oblivion on March 15, 2012, 11:24:43 PM
Not sure. Lemme check. http://www.nickandmore.com/2012/03/15/the-legend-of-korra-premieres-saturday-april-14-on-nickelodeon/ "Also leading up to the television series premiere, Xbox users will have the opportunity to download the first episode and trailer for free and purchase episodes from Avatar: The Last Airbender. The first The Legend of Korra episode will be available on VOD. In conjunction with the series premiere, Nick’s mobile channel NIMO, will have a live simulcast of the first two episodes." This is literally all the information they gave. I guess you'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 16, 2012, 03:03:20 AM
This looks nothing like the first movie. Where the heck are the 12ft blue aliens?
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: broodwars on March 16, 2012, 03:54:33 AM
This looks nothing like the first movie. Where the heck are the 12ft blue aliens?
I'm really disappointed in Nickelodeon for seemingly cow-towing down to James Cameron and his crappy Avatar movie franchise by removing the "Avatar" name from the title of this new series (much like how I was annoyed when they named the live action movie "The Last Airbender", though I don't mind it so much after seeing that the movie was at best mediocre and not worthy of the name). "Avatar: The Last Airbender" had the name first and is a significantly better product. The title of this thread is the title the show should officially have, and I wonder how well the show will perform without it to guide people to the series. It has been, after all, several years since the last Avatar series.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Lithium on March 16, 2012, 08:08:53 AM
i watched the series last year and was pleasantly suprised. It was like Dragonball except it actually had a good story/charcters. I am very excited for this new series.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 17, 2012, 10:20:49 PM
I take it that no one from here managed to catch the 1st episode earlier today before it got taken down?
p.s. you had to log onto the press site to view it. It's not there anymore, but if I run across a copy, I'll be sure to tell you all how good it was ;)
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Stogi on March 20, 2012, 03:53:47 PM
It was dope; especially the fighting. All n' all it seemed like the pilot of any series - an opener. We we're introduced to the main character and likely the main villain.
It seemed a little stiff, in the sense that it was trying to be funny but didn't exactly strike a chord. But I'm sure it'll become better as the series goes on.
Great first episode with possibly the greatest ending song of any show I've ever seen. I might turn it into a beat....
EDIT: Oh and I wanted to add that this show seems to be geared toward a higher age bracket than the previous Avatar. During the fighting scenes somethings just looked like it really really hurt.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Lithium on March 20, 2012, 05:54:31 PM
EDIT: Oh and I wanted to add that this show seems to be geared toward a higher age bracket than the previous Avatar. During the fighting scenes somethings just looked like it really really hurt.
Doesn't seem to be that suprising since the show has ended long enough for the demographic who it was aimed at on the first run to be in their mid-late teens by now anyways (haven't seen the actual ep yet though)
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on March 20, 2012, 09:43:45 PM
This looks nothing like the first movie. Where the heck are the 12ft blue aliens?
I'm really disappointed in Nickelodeon for seemingly cow-towing down to James Cameron and his crappy Avatar movie franchise by removing the "Avatar" name from the title of this new series (much like how I was annoyed when they named the live action movie "The Last Airbender", though I don't mind it so much after seeing that the movie was at best mediocre and not worthy of the name). "Avatar: The Last Airbender" had the name first and is a significantly better product. The title of this thread is the title the show should officially have, and I wonder how well the show will perform without it to guide people to the series. It has been, after all, several years since the last Avatar series.
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Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: broodwars on March 20, 2012, 10:12:35 PM
I'm really not bothered that much if the 1st episode is a little on the weaker side. Honestly, I really wasn't that much of a fan of the original series' pilot, either, which felt a little slow and overly childish. The show picked up nicely by the end of the 1st season, though, and excelled in the 2nd (which is, IMO, the best season of the show). Korra will probably do the same.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Oblivion on March 20, 2012, 11:22:55 PM
Yeah, they just need the pilot to set up the story. And remember, the premiere is intended to be the first two episodes, so we really only have half the pilot. Wait until the second half comes out where she meeets Mako and Bolin and presumably takes part in the Pro-Bending (like pro-wrestling) competition.
And if you want to know exactly what that is, Korra Nation has an 18 minute video on the rules of it.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: nickmitch on March 20, 2012, 11:34:22 PM
They could always do what some shows like Full Metal Alchemist did and just start you off in a mid-story arc to give you a little taste of the action, then rewind things back to the beginning.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Oblivion on March 20, 2012, 11:38:27 PM
They won't. The first episode has already established what direction the show will take.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: nickmitch on March 21, 2012, 12:15:56 AM
Well, never mind then.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Stogi on March 21, 2012, 11:00:22 AM
And remember, the premiere is intended to be the first two episodes, so we really only have half the pilot.
That must be it. Even though it ended with a cliff-hanger, it still felt premature.
EDIT: So the first and second episode, i.e. the pilot, are going to premiere this Saturday.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Oblivion on March 23, 2012, 11:49:02 AM
You guys may want to join Korra Nation if you want to watch the premiere this Saturday on the website,
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: UncleBob on March 24, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
http://www.korranation.com/ First two episodes are (officially) up now.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Stogi on March 24, 2012, 03:08:50 PM
Watched it. Needless to say, it is a much better pilot when you watch the whole thing.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Oblivion on March 25, 2012, 03:26:59 AM
Very. I was fascinated with the Pro-Bending fights. There's a video on youtube explaining the rules of it and it's pretty interesting. I could see them making a video game out of it.
Should I change the title to this thread to just a general Korra thread?
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra Airs April 14th at 11:00 AM
Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2012, 03:27:13 PM
Yeah you should.
Also, I watched it again, this time with a friend who's also a fan and she pointed out the same thing I noticed: the action just seems to look like it really hurts. I don't know whether to attribute that to the directing or simply the clarity of the animation or both, but it's awesome to watch. It's already on par (or even better in some cases) to the most iconic fighting scenes in Season 3 of the original Avatar story. For example, when Mako comes back in the last round to win it, the animation is superb and that last hit is brutal.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on March 25, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Yeah, the bending is a lot more brutal than the last series and it's obviously that they have bigger budget this time around. Considering the first series had a budget of about a million dollars per episode, I wonder what it's like this time around.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: nickmitch on March 27, 2012, 01:08:14 AM
I hope Nickelodeon doesn't **** the scheduling this time around. With the original series, I was always upset that only a handful of season one episodes would air in regular rotation whereas new ones aired once (at a not good time for me) and seemingly never again. Though, over the years it got easier to watch the episodes online.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on March 27, 2012, 10:31:00 AM
If you had Nicktoons, then they've aired the series over and over again since 2008.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 02, 2012, 10:43:21 PM
You can nab the first two episodes for free on iTunes right now. Get them while you can.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 21, 2012, 12:49:28 PM
So, anyone see the next episode today? My god, the show keeps getting better and better. And it felt like the animation was even a step up from the first two episodes. And Amon seems like a better and more involved villain than Ozai ever was.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on April 22, 2012, 03:21:57 PM
The first few episodes got rid of any worries I had that they wouldn't be able to hold onto the magic of Avatar.
The choreography is amazing and the animation is leagues better than anything else out there.
All the small details are great. For example, Aang ran away because he didn't want to be taken away from the air temple and what was basically his family so he set up the next Avatar's training to be different. All the master's now come to where Korra lives so she isn't forced to leave her family and the people she cares about.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 22, 2012, 03:41:12 PM
...even though she ended doing so anyway. :P
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: UncleBob on April 22, 2012, 07:38:01 PM
So, I have a theory. Spoiler warning, not because I know anything that hasn't aired, but because I really think I'm right.
Anon is Katara's non-bending son. Being the only non-bender in a family of such powerful and prominent benders would really do a number on your outlook of benders. Also, the whole Energy Bending thing... tell me that didn't come from his father.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 22, 2012, 09:09:24 PM
Considering that Bumi (Katara's son) is even older than Tenzin (who is 51) , and based on the fact that we know what Bumi looks like already, that seems unlikely. Amon seems much younger than 50+.
Though I admit him knowing energy bending does give slight credence to your theory.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: UncleBob on April 22, 2012, 11:19:20 PM
I wasn't aware we've seen him or that it was said he was older? I though they were just mentioned in the first episode...?
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 22, 2012, 11:43:11 PM
There's an image on Korra Nation of Aang's lineage. If you want more information like this, you should go on Korra's official website. It has info such as Zuko is still alive, with the fire lord duty going to his daughter. He's traveling the world as an ambassador of peace.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Lithium on April 23, 2012, 02:12:11 AM
oh man i just watched the 2 ep premiere and it already lived up to the hype. I loved the original avatar series and I'm excited for what's in store for this series. :D I'll probably watch ep 3 tomorow.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on April 23, 2012, 01:53:09 PM
So, I have a theory. Spoiler warning, not because I know anything that hasn't aired, but because I really think I'm right.
Anon is Katara's non-bending son. Being the only non-bender in a family of such powerful and prominent benders would really do a number on your outlook of benders. Also, the whole Energy Bending thing... tell me that didn't come from his father.
While not necessarily exclusive from your theory I still like the idea that Koh stole his face and showed him how to energy bend. I don't see why being the Avatar's son would help him energy bend unless Aang taught him.
In Avatar, Aang talking to spirits, his past lives, entering the spirit world, and going into the Avatar state (when angry) were so natural to him and he would meditate a lot in general. Korra doesn't seem to be able to do any of that even though she managed to learn a lot of bending before Aang did.
I expect journeys into the spirit world being very important as it was stated that she did not grasp the spiritual side of being the avatar and even Amon talked about the spirits helping him. Meditating is a big part of her air bending training and I hope to get a look at adult Aang soon when she manages to speak to her past lives.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 23, 2012, 02:33:03 PM
I don't think a spirit would burden themselves with the happenings of the real world. Not to sound like a jerk, but I hate all the theories throughout the years of him being behind a bunch of stuff.
Plus, Amon's claim that he is being led by the spirits is probably an utter lie. Same with his supposed "backstory". Probably just propaganda for his cause.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: TrueNerd on April 24, 2012, 01:26:44 AM
THE LEGEND OF KORRA is the GAME OF THRONES for kids. I can't believe how good it is. I mean, I loved the original series, but this might already be even better. It is darker and waaay more complex. I mean, the Equalists are RIGHT. They're right! THE BAD GUY IS RIGHT. Also Amon is terrifying.
But seriously people. I can safely sat that this show, A FREAKING KIDS CARTOON, is right up there with MAD MEN, BREAKING BAD, and GAME OF THRONES on my current personal faves list. You need to be watching it.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Stogi on April 24, 2012, 02:00:10 AM
It's a pretty dope show. The pace of it is mindboggling. I don't know how long the first season is suppose to be but if it keeps up this pace, I can see us getting through the main arc in 9 episodes.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Lithium on April 24, 2012, 07:02:42 AM
THE LEGEND OF KORRA is the GAME OF THRONES for kids. I can't believe how good it is. I mean, I loved the original series, but this might already be even better. It is darker and waaay more complex. I mean, the Equalists are RIGHT. They're right! THE BAD GUY IS RIGHT. Also Amon is terrifying.
But seriously people. I can safely sat that this show, A FREAKING KIDS CARTOON, is right up there with MAD MEN, BREAKING BAD, and GAME OF THRONES on my current personal faves list. You need to be watching it.
i know right? it's awesome watched ep 3 and i freaking loved it
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 24, 2012, 08:00:25 AM
It's a pretty dope show. The pace of it is mindboggling. I don't know how long the first season is suppose to be but if it keeps up this pace, I can see us getting through the main arc in 9 episodes.
This is pretty much how it'll be. The first season is supposed to be 12 episodes. Then they extended it to 26. I couldn't see them being in Republic City for the whole series so maybe if Amon's arc gets wrapped up they can introduce some new villain or wrap up some loose ends from the first series.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: UncleBob on April 24, 2012, 08:20:11 AM
I think I've told this story before, but when I started watching the show, my wife was making fun of me.
When they aired the last episodes (as a 'movie'-like event), I was watching it in the bedroom with her. She fell asleep halfway through, but when I was done watching, I deleted it from the DVR.
The next day, she was pissed at me for deleting it. She had gotten into it. I bought the DVDs and we watched the whole series 1-4 episodes a night. :D
She really liked it. And if I can get my wife to like animation that isn't Archer/Frisky Dingo/Aqua Teen, then it's gotta be good. :D
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on April 24, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
I mean, the Equalists are RIGHT. They're right! THE BAD GUY IS RIGHT. Also Amon is terrifying.
Wanting to get rid of the people who built the city, provide all the electricity, police the city and are the center of what seems to be the most popular entertainment for the people doesn't seem like the right thing to do because it isn't. Benders certainly aren't the cause of every war like Amon said and they typically felt the brunt of the last war, ie the genocide of the airbenders, the oil rig earthbender prisons, and the hellish prisons they kept waterbenders in. I'm pretty sure the earth king wasn't even a bender, or at least never showed it, so nonbenders are in positions of power. Also consider that if Amon can energy bend he should also be able to make all people benders if he really wanted to.
As always it is all about balance. Everyone has there place much like Sokka in the original group. Actually, Sokka being a non-bender with the avatar is extremely important in retrospect now that this season has started.
I don't think a spirit would burden themselves with the happenings of the real world. Not to sound like a jerk, but I hate all the theories throughout the years of him being behind a bunch of stuff.
Plus, Amon's claim that he is being led by the spirits is probably an utter lie. Same with his supposed "backstory". Probably just propaganda for his cause.
The spirits are connected to the real world though as we saw throughout the original show. They would have no desire to do something like rule the world as many crazy fan theories say but I find teaching a man to energy bend to be very possible. I too hated those theories as I find that people being the villains is much more compelling and I expect Korra to have men be the villains again with spirit involvement in some way much like the original show.
The spiritual side of things is obviously going to be very important in this show considering the emphasis we see put on it. We don't find out Korra can't airbend until well after we hear that she has difficulty with the spiritual side of bending several times. The first time Tenzin is talked about he is mentioned as "Mr. Spiritual" not the only airbending master in the world. Korra can't even meditate right now. I predict that much like Aang learning the elements we are going to see Korra learning about how the Avatar is the bridge to the spirits considering how many times it has been mentioned and this is what will help her restore balance between benders and nonbenders.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Stogi on April 25, 2012, 03:38:38 AM
I wonder if that old Indian guy is alive. You know who I'm talking about....Guru something. Anyway, those scenes of Aang working through his Chakras is one of my favorites. I'd love for Korra to go through the same thing, but I know it wouldn't have an emotional impact as Aang's scene did. I mean....the scene for his Love Chakra where he saw all his past airbenders/family is incredibly sad and one of the most powerful in the series.
As for who Amon is, I don't know and I'm perfectly fine with that.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 25, 2012, 10:45:03 AM
Considering Guru Pathik was already 150 years in the events of the first series, I doubt it.
And the only reason Aang went through that is because he needed a quick an easy way to master the Avatar State. I doubt Korra will need that.
Actually, I can't wait for Korra to glowy on someone's ass.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: TrueNerd on April 26, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
I mean, the Equalists are RIGHT. They're right! THE BAD GUY IS RIGHT. Also Amon is terrifying.
Wanting to get rid of the people who built the city, provide all the electricity, police the city and are the center of what seems to be the most popular entertainment for the people doesn't seem like the right thing to do because it isn't. Benders certainly aren't the cause of every war like Amon said and they typically felt the brunt of the last war, ie the genocide of the airbenders, the oil rig earthbender prisons, and the hellish prisons they kept waterbenders in. I'm pretty sure the earth king wasn't even a bender, or at least never showed it, so nonbenders are in positions of power. Also consider that if Amon can energy bend he should also be able to make all people benders if he really wanted to.
As always it is all about balance. Everyone has there place much like Sokka in the original group. Actually, Sokka being a non-bender with the avatar is extremely important in retrospect now that this season has started.
Well, yes. I posted this immediately after watching the episode and was excited. You're right. But the guy is making not terrible points while also going to extremes to make them. I get where he's coming from. In the third episode, I understand the villain. This is a huge success.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 27, 2012, 02:00:53 AM
So, have you all seen the shitstorm that the Korra fandom calls Tumblr? Late last night the next episode was leaked, and every single single started killing each other over all the ship teases in the next episode.
We get a new member of the Korralition, Asami, daughter of Sato, the man who invented the Satomobile. She's basically a rich girl with a kickass motorcycle. http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m32f7wjLAS1qhlhwio1_500.jpg http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m326d1nz2K1qgfu3z.jpg
Also, along with the leaked episode is a picture of what (APPARENTLY) Amon looks without his mask. http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m31rcy0Vfs1qbtacbo1_500.jpg It's apparently from a later episode titled, "Skeleton in the Closet" and the fandom has guessed that it will feature the question of Amon's indentity. Apparently Tenzin has a dream and sees Amon become his father, Aang. We figure that because that subtitle says, "I am your father." Yes, that's what Aang looked like in his old age.
So yeah, loads of interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on April 28, 2012, 11:34:40 AM
An amazing episode today, full of a ton of awesome moments. So far, I'm liking the lack of filler in this show, especially compared to the first series. And that flashback...now we know what Toph, Sokka, and Aang looked like in their prime. And I can't wait to hear more about that thing Aang dealt with 40 years before the show that was mentioned.
Tarrlock is complete scum and Asami is a nice addition to the show, even though it's causing a huge love square.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: TrueNerd on May 10, 2012, 12:18:19 AM
The last episode was more like Avatar: Legend of Love Square, amiright?
I mean, it was fine. But I'd rather that stuff come out organically as the series went on instead of having an entire episode dedicated to it. Hopefully it pays off down the line but this last episode was as close to a misstep as the series has had in these five episodes.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on May 10, 2012, 12:25:38 AM
Believe it or not, but over half the fandom for the show loves this shipping stuff. According to my buddies on AvatarSpirit, this was the best episode. -_-
I liked it quite a bit for what is was though. The small amount of action that it had was great and Bolin was hilarious as always. The next episode promises to be much better, with Amon presumably interrupting the finals. Apparently there may be a bit more shipping though.
You gotta deal with it if you don't like it. *shrug*
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on May 10, 2012, 08:42:07 PM
I liked the episode quite a bit. Fighting Amon isn't the whole show and I enjoy how they get into the relationships and the like.
Probending is okay but I still prefer the more kung fu bending battles instead of the boxing inspired matches. Can't wait for the next show.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on May 10, 2012, 09:07:24 PM
I don't like shipping in general and I'm really growing tired of Pro-Bending-centric episodes (hopefully the next episode is the end of that, given that it's the Finals), but at least they're getting it out of the way early on in the show. By comparison, if this were an anime the writers would be milking the love square for a good 26-52 episodes before ending on an inconclusive note.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on May 10, 2012, 10:22:57 PM
According to some sources the Pro Bending Arc is almost over. But I don't know how you can get tired of something that has only been used for three episodes. :P
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on May 10, 2012, 10:35:32 PM
According to some sources the Pro Bending Arc is almost over. But I don't know how you can get tired of something that has only been used for three episodes. :P: :
I can when that's 3 episodes out of 5 and soon to be 4 episodes out of 6, which it is. I want to see more of New Republic City, what happens in it, and the development of other plot threads. The sport is cute, but I don't watch an Avatar series for sports competitions. There are whole anime series no one watches dedicated to that.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2012, 11:22:12 AM
My god, that episode was amazing.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on May 12, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Eh, it was good and it finished extremely well, but I have some major problems with it.
1. The whole "reigning champions are only that way because they CHEAT" concept is a huge cliche in sports stories, and frankly it's beneath these writers to use it.
2. OK, I can accept that Amon would somehow sneak himself and a few troops into the stadium, but I find it really hard to believe how easy it was considering how thorough Captain Bei Fong was in inspecting and guarding the stadium.
3. On the same note, I can accept that Amon and his troops would find a way to sneak into the stadium, but if you look at one of the last shots of the episode they also completely trashed Captain Bei Fong's Metal Benders and their blimps stationed outside. Just how incompetent IS this police force?
On a side note, I strongly suspect that this was all a trap orchestrated by Tarrlock to discredit and take down Captain Bei Fong. He's probably in league with Amon...somehow...to take over the city, and I suspect he'll be betrayed by Amon somewhere down the line.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on May 12, 2012, 11:40:17 PM
2. OK, I can accept that Amon would somehow sneak himself and a few troops into the stadium, but I find it really hard to believe how easy it was considering how thorough Captain Bei Fong was in inspecting and guarding the stadium.
3. On the same note, I can accept that Amon and his troops would find a way to sneak into the stadium, but if you look at one of the last shots of the episode they also completely trashed Captain Bei Fong's Metal Benders and their blimps stationed outside. Just how incompetent IS this police force?
On a side note, I strongly suspect that this was all a trap orchestrated by Tarrlock to discredit and take down Captain Bei Fong. He's probably in league with Amon...somehow...to take over the city, and I suspect he'll be betrayed by Amon somewhere down the line.
2. That is because Amon's troops were the crowd. An incredible number of the audience themselves were his followers and many had these electric gloves that had never found wide use before. They didn't strip search the entire stadium when they walked in, such a thing would have been as unfeasible as it is in our sporting events, and even if they did they wouldn't really know what these gloves are unless someone showed them. They obviously expected something like a bomb and not an actual army buying tickets and then attacking them from inside and out. 3. The police force isn't incompetent, Amon has an army. He just declared war against Republic City. You can't have a revolution without enough people to fight the regular police. Seeing the wreckage and the blimp Amon took over should show you how big and serious Amon's revolution is.
I doubt Tarrlock is a traitor. He was completely against holding the games until Chief Beifong put herself on the line. He simply saw what he would gain if Chief Beifong failed to protect the stadium and that he would lose nothing if she succeeded.
Now Tarrlock's anti-Amon task force is going to be who everyone depends on to stop the antibending revolution and he will gain even more influence. He didn't have to be traitor to do it, all he had to do was let someone else take a risk he was unwilling to.
Loved the episode. Tenzin's conversation with Korra about his relationship with Lin especially stands out as well as Korra and Chief Beifong water bending/metalbending to get Amon in the blimp.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on May 12, 2012, 11:56:15 PM
I doubt Tarrlock is a traitor. He was completely against holding the games until Chief Beifong put herself on the line. He simply saw what he would gain if Chief Beifong failed to protect the stadium and that he would lose nothing if she succeeded.
Now Tarrlock's anti-Amon task force is going to be who everyone depends on to stop the antibending revolution and he will gain even more influence. He didn't have to be traitor to do it, all he had to do was let someone else take a risk he was unwilling to.
So much for Spoiler Tags. -_-'
That's why I think Tarrlock is playing Amon, using him to weaken the other political and law-keeping officials in the city while he is poised to take control. The last stage of that plan would be to double-cross Amon at Amon's point of greatest power, and thus gain the greatest benefit. Amon probably foresees this and would use Tarrlock as a public symbol of corruption at the highest level, taking him down as well.
There's just something too calculating about just how easily Tarrlock changes his mind on canceling the tournament, as well as his emphasis on Chief Bei Fong "taking full responsibility" for anything that would happen. Plus, the scene immediately after this is Amon's henchmen telling him that they'd received word that the tournament would go on. There's also the matter of just how easily Amon sneaks in and out of Avatar Island in the previous episode where he fought Korra. I sense a mole, and I believe his name is Tarrlock. I could be wrong, of course. But the pieces just slide together too neatly. We shall see.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2012, 03:20:46 AM
Broodwars, The Wolf Bats would have still beaten the Fire Ferrets without cheating. They were establishing what fucktards they were, nothing more. If they were known to be cheaters, I'm certain the FIrrets would have noticed it before their match against them.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Stogi on May 15, 2012, 02:21:26 PM
My God....that was an amazing episode. It had the same feel as a quality movie has. The music, direction, and animation were all top notch.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on May 20, 2012, 03:09:14 PM
Well, another week, another "good" episode of Korra that falls short of greatness due to some sloppy writing. In this case, it was the reveal of a new villain. I think this is where you can see the show straining a bit from having 7-8 fewer episodes a season than its predecessor, because we barely saw this character before now. They've had...what...1 1/2 minutes of screen time so far, and now I'm supposed to be emotionally invested in them turning against benders? It all just fell flat.
I did enjoy seeing more of Chief Bei Fong and Tenzen kicking ass, though, and the continuation of the first series' "cabbage" joke was just priceless. ;D
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on May 20, 2012, 05:17:02 PM
Asami has had more than just 1 and a half minutes of screen time.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on May 20, 2012, 05:35:01 PM
Yep. I've been trying to be vague for the sake of people who may not have seen the episode yet. We've probably seen him a grand total of at most 1 1/2 minutes of screen time so far. The events of this episode would probably have meant a great deal more if the writers had spent more time building up his story and less on pro-bending matches and shipping. Plus, the way the conspiracy was revealed was just too easy, almost Scooby Doo-ish by comparison. Consider by contrast the Earth Kingdom conspiracy of A:TLA's 2nd season, where it was built up over the course of several episodes.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on May 20, 2012, 05:49:40 PM
I don't think we were supposed to care about him. We were supposed to care for Asami's decision to attack her dad to be with the Avatar and Mako. We're supposed to be sad that Asami did what she had to do to her dad, even though he was like that because of her mother's death.
That being said, I still don't think Asami is innocent.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Lithium on May 20, 2012, 06:09:32 PM
yeah i agree with broodwars in that it's a tad too condensed for it's own good but it didn't really ruin the episode for me.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: TrueNerd on May 22, 2012, 01:20:00 AM
Yep. I've been trying to be vague for the sake of people who may not have seen the episode yet. We've probably seen him a grand total of at most 1 1/2 minutes of screen time so far. The events of this episode would probably have meant a great deal more if the writers had spent more time building up his story and less on pro-bending matches and shipping. Plus, the way the conspiracy was revealed was just too easy, almost Scooby Doo-ish by comparison. Consider by contrast the Earth Kingdom conspiracy of A:TLA's 2nd season, where it was built up over the course of several episodes.
Yeah, there's been a few things that feel rushed and/or handled entirely through exposition. The love square episode for one. Also Asami letting us know in this episode that she's had self defense lessons her whole life a few minutes before she has to defend herself. It's okay because the show is doing all of the important things so well, but this show isn't breathing like the original series did. Sometimes that breathing happened in "filler" episodes which KORRA has avoided thus far.
But this whole series was worth it for the reveal that the cabbage merchant from the original series found success and started what is now a huge corporation. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on May 22, 2012, 11:50:32 PM
Well, that's the trouble with this show being shorter than the original show. Hell, we should be gald with 26 episodes, considering the show was originally 12.
Honestly, it doesn't bother me that much. Exposition is needed and I don't mind it as much as the exposition in the M Night movie. :P
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: TrueNerd on May 23, 2012, 05:29:44 AM
Again, the show is doing a lot of things right. The fighting in the secret factory was awesome. I'm going to remember that long before I remember the exposition that preceded it. M Night's movie got NOTHING right and was the most painful adaptation I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on May 23, 2012, 09:54:20 AM
Actually, I felt that the music and the costume design from the M Night movie was pretty okay. But yeah, everything else was ****.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 02, 2012, 12:00:53 PM
So... dat episode. I'm pretty speechless.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on June 02, 2012, 12:44:22 PM
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 02, 2012, 05:30:21 PM
He just ascended to a new level of badass.
And did you see how pissed Tarrlock got when Korra compared him to Amon? I'm slightly changing my orginal theory from Amon being Yakone's son to both Tarrlock AND Amon being Yakone's children. They made it pretty obvious in the flashback that Yakone is a bloodbender, and that Aang somehow was able to resist it. It explains why Tarrlock got so pissed when he was compared to Amon - they are brothers.
I have no idea what they're gonna do for the final four episodes of the season.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on June 02, 2012, 06:19:12 PM
I think he got pissed because he legitimately despises Amon, what he is doing and his methods. Tarrlock has no problem oppressing nonbenders and being an incredibly powerful bender would hate someone who not only is antibending but wants to take it all away. They are on the opposite ends of the spectrum.
I like how it shows when things get out of balance it just builds up. Amon and Tarrlock directly feed each other and increase the others support the more extreme they become. While Tarrlock did have a small speech about extremes that fit the episode title (Korra should have listened to Tenzin) I think it alludes to the future which will be Tarrlock versus Amon and the equalists with Korra on neither side.
Korra needs to learn airbending not for the actual bending but to benefit from its discipline and way of thinking. Korra simply cannot sit still but always has to act. Tenzin tells her to meditate on the flashbacks of her past lives and instead she goes on patrol and later confronts Tarrlock. Had she meditated on these problems she could have found better solutions and not rushed into things. She needs to be able to detach herself from the situation and take an Aang/Tenzin approach to conflict sometimes.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on June 03, 2012, 12:59:27 AM
Alright, that was a great episode, and in stark contrast to the last episode it shows how much better plot twists can work when the story actually builds a particular subplot towards it (rather than just throw it in on a random character we barely know). It looks like I was right about Tarrlock being evil, though not in the way I expected (although that still isn't ruled out for certain). I really wish the show hadn't taken a week off last week, because that cliffhanger is evil and I really want to see where the story goes from here. Something tells me we have an epic Tenzin vs. Tarrlock battle coming in the next few episodes. I'm really curious to know as well how Tarrlock can bloodbend without a full moon.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 03, 2012, 02:56:40 AM
Well, I have a theory, care to read it? Half the time I type in this thread I don't think many people notice. :P
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on June 04, 2012, 05:58:33 AM
Well, I have a theory, care to read it? Half the time I type in this thread I don't think many people notice. :P:
Sure, go ahead. It's your thread.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Sundoulos on June 07, 2012, 12:01:56 AM
I had just assumed that Tarlock had something in his office area that simulated the light of the full moon, but then I quickly realized that I must have been having horrible flashbacks pf an episode of Dragonball Z.
We've seen most of the old Gaang in Korra's flashback, but have we heard anything about Zuko? I had heard that the Welcome To Republic City game on nick.com made reference to the fact that he was still alive. Part of me can't help but wonder if they'll bring him back at some point in the series to track Korra. If he should make an appearance, I hope it will be as the Blue Spirit. :D
For that matter, what does everyone think about all the stories about Fire Bender's killing people's parents. Mako and Bolin's dad, Hiroshi Sato's wife and supposedly Amon all purportedly were attacked by a Fire Bender at some point. Mentioning three similar occurrences in the show seems to be a bit too much to be a coincidence. Could this be the work of a single rogue Fire Bender?
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Stogi on June 11, 2012, 02:15:44 PM
How is no one talking about that last episode? Tarlok - "Who are you?!" Amon - "I am the solution" *chills*
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on June 11, 2012, 02:52:19 PM
How is no one talking about that last episode? Tarlok - "Who are you?!" Amon - "I am the solution" *chills*
It was yet another "good, but not great" episode for me, and the devil was in the details. I didn't like how the Tarlok storyline resolved itself, because it felt too easy and we really didn't need Amon built up as even more powerful at this point when he's already been built up as a god. Plus, I didn't like how the writers explained Tarlok's all-powerful Bloodbending: "Well, he can bloodbend without a full moon because...his father could do it. And his father could do it because...he's special." What a let-down.
Granted, we've had benders in the past that have...well..."bent" the rules a bit like Combustion Man (which the episode itself references), but they never completely broke the rules the universe established. Tarlok and his father can break the rules because...they can break them. That just feels like a cheap "out" for the writers.
That said, there was a lot to like in this episode, like seeing Team Avatar kick ass and break into an Equalist prison (why was Amon still holding those soldiers when he'd already removed their bending?). The highlight of the entire episode, of course, was seeing the old Gaang back together again in a flashback, though once again the Avatar State was used as the Deus Ex Machina of the situation. That was an especially odd choice by the writers considering it draws attention to the fact that we've never seen Korra in the Avatar State, and it's supposed to be an automatic defense mechanism when the Avatar's in mortal danger. It also seems really odd that Katarra wasn't at the trial considering what it was about.
And enough with the shipping, please. I thought they already spent a whole episode on that just to get it out of the way, but we're back to the shipping again with this episode.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Stogi on June 11, 2012, 03:33:11 PM
The Avatar-State wasn't a Deus Ex Machina. It's the exact opposite because of how extremely well explained it is. Aang was in mortal danger. I mean, his neck was about to be broken. He is expected to go into that state and that's what happened.
You're right that Tarlok's blood-bending was maybe too easily explained, even though the evolution of bending has and is already severly explained. Not just with Toph and metal bending, Katara and blood bending, but with fire bending masters and lightning.
And yes, I also agree that it was a bit jarring that Katarra wasn't at the trial considering everyone but Zuko was there. But I still think the flashbacks did a good job of showing what is truly on display in this season. Energy-bending.
Tarlok's super natural ability brings up more questions than answers about Amon's. And if that was the point of Tarlok, then I applaud the writers. Because even Aang wasn't immune to it until he called upon all the avatars for strength, so how could Amon be?
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 11, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
Broodwars, it was never established that bloodbending could ONLY happen during a full moon. Just because Hama and Katara could do only do it during a full moon, no one else can? Come on. If that's the case, why aren't you complaining that none blind earth benders can learn metal bending and firebenders that haven't mastered their emotion can learn lightning bending?
And like I've already said, a great number of the fandom LOVES shipping. Just type in "korra" in tumblr and you'll see how much love shipping gets. So whether you like it or not, shipping is here to stay. And besides, that amount of shipping was very minimal this time and it's kind ridiculous that you had a problem with it.
And like Stogi has explained, the Avatar State is not a Duex Ex Machina. Perhaps if you've only seen The Legend of Korra, but it's been explained so well in the original series that the average viewer is expected to know what it is.
You keep looking for reason to dislike this show and it's, quite frankly, pretty sad.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on June 11, 2012, 05:16:24 PM
Broodwars, it was never established that bloodbending could ONLY happen during a full moon. Just because Hama and Katara could do only do it during a full moon, no one else can? Come on. If that's the case, why aren't you complaining that none blind earth benders can learn metal bending and firebenders that haven't mastered their emotion can learn lightning bending?
The original series established that Waterbenders are at their strongest in the light of the full moon, and they're at their weakest during the day ("You rise with the moon. I rise with the sun!"). Maybe if this bloodbending was still being performed at night in the light of the moon, I could buy this, but we're having bloodbending performed in broad daylight. And not only that, but it's bloodbending on a scale where one person can control an entire room of people (including some incredibly powerful benders), something we haven't seen before.
As for metal bending, it was never stated in the original series that you had to be blind to perform it. The way Toph was forced to use her "vibration vision" (or whatever you want to call it) just allowed her to see the earth in the metal so she could learn to bend it. Note, actually, that when Toph realizes this, the Guru mentions there being earth in metal as well. As for firebending and lightning, we've seen benders in the past who have used it while being very emotionally charged (the final battle between Zuko and Azula comes to mind). It's just that the bender has to keep an internal balance when separating the forces that create the lightning.
And besides, that amount of shipping was very minimal this time and it's kind ridiculous that you had a problem with it.
"Minimal"? The "camera" must have cut to show Asami's growing jealousy towards Korra at least 3-4 times in this episode as Mako went nuts over finding her. Plus, there was her freaking out over Bolin telling her that Korra and Mako kissed during the tournament.
And, sorry, but "a lot of people like it!" doesn't make it "good". Take for instance the ultimate in bad shipping: the Twilight movies. This show just has enough to cover (and, with only 26 episodes, barely enough time to do it) without spending more time than is necessary on petty shipping issues.
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And like Stogi has explained, the Avatar State is not a Duex Ex Machina. Perhaps if you've only seen The Legend of Korra, but it's been explained so well in the original series that the average viewer is expected to know what it is.
Even in the original series, I've never been terribly fond of the Avatar State, as the writers just seem to randomly determine what is and is not a mortal threat to the Avatar. Consider that Korra has been in mortal danger several times during this series, and she's never entered the Avatar State (and, no, I'm not buying the whole "well, she's just not spiritual!" excuse when it comes to an automatic fail safe like the Avatar State). Plus, when it is used, it just feels a bit cheap because it doesn't feel like the Avatar actually won the fight on their one (which is why I really liked that Aang refused the Avatar State during the final battle, as he wanted to win on his own terms).
You keep looking for reason to dislike this show and it's, quite frankly, pretty sad.
Yes, I clearly dislike this show, which is why I keep watching every episode; eagerly look forward to the show every week; and have viewed every episode favorably so far. ::) Sorry, but the writing in this series is just not as sharp as in the original series. Avatar: The Last Airbender set the standard pretty high, and this series just isn't quite measuring up as well despite being an enjoyable series in general.
You keep looking for a reason to translate my "criticism" as "hate" (and not just on this subject) and it's, quite frankly, pretty sad. Now if you're satisfied, Don Quixote, I think there are still some windmills out there for you to chase.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 11, 2012, 08:20:47 PM
Actually, I find the fact that Azula using lighting when she went batshit crazy to be a plot hole in the original series, considering that Azula couldn't have kept a balance at her mental state. Zuko is exempt from this rule because he didn't do it the conventional way; he used Iroh's waterbender technique to only "redirect" the lightning.
And whether or not shipping is "good" is utterly subjective. You may hate it. The majority of the target audience does not. I personally am indifferent towards shipping. But you need to remember that Korra is intended for those who grew up watching the original series. And guess what the target audience was for Avatar? Boys, 6-11 years old. You need to deal with things like shipping and the bad fart jokes, simply because you are way out of the target audience range. You need to deal with that kind of stuff when watching a children's cartoon.
And I never thought the Avatar State activated during when the Avatar was in mortal danger, I thought it was when he was in a high emotional state: almost drowning after leaving the Air Nomads, once again in the Storm, Katara almost getting killed by that Earth General, etc. He learned how to control it later and that's why he did it as an adult in those flashbacks: he can control it at will. It isn't a plot device, it's just another reason why the Avatar is the strongest bender alive.
I agree that some of the writing isn't as sharp, but you can't fault the show that much, considering the main writer for the original series (Aaron Ehaz, who I consider to be the third creator of the show) left to do bigger and better things and the main writer for Korra is someone who was in charge of Avatar's lesser episodes.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Stogi on June 11, 2012, 11:59:09 PM
I would say that the writing is at least at par with the first season. Actually I'd say it is somewhere above it but below the second season, mainly because of Amon's lines. Like I said before, some of the things he says give me chills.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: UncleBob on June 12, 2012, 12:44:55 AM
I see no issue with Bloodbending as an at-will power.
Face it, before someone ever used waterbending, it was unknown. When the first person used it (probably during a full moon, when their power is strongest), someone could have screamed "This is bull****. You can't do that!".
Eventually, there became more waterbenders as they worked to perfect the technique. I'm sure each time something new happened (say, turning water into ice, working with air benders to make clouds/rain, bending the water in plants to create giant swamp creatures), there was probably someone crying foul, that the rules are being broken.
When we were first introduced to bloodbending, Katara was confused - such a thing had never been seen before. I'm sure there could have been someone upset with this story line plot point. I mean, we hadn't seen it before, so it could never happen, right?
Ignoring any unknown bloodbenders (I'm hoping the above did a good chance of establishing the fact that just because we didn't specifically see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen), let's look at the two bloodbenders we met in the first series.
First, you have Hama. She discovered her bloodbending talent through desperation. While a powerful waterbender (exactly how powerful is never really shown), she was a beaten-down, weakened prisoner. It took her years to discover her talent and to practice it to a point where she could actually control another human.
Second, you have Katara. Young. A powerful bender, yes, but still raw. She may have been Aang's teacher, but she was quite young... yet she managed to bloodbend people on her VERY FIRST TRY. Yes, during a full moon, but with virtually no practice, as it took Hama.
Now, imagine you've got a waterbender who's as talented as Katara and can bloodbend so easily. Now, imagine that individual actually works to train and hone their skill.
It is in no way unbelievable that a moon-less bloodbender could exist.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 12, 2012, 02:41:23 AM
I agree with everything you said, UncleBob.
And btw, after rewatching the episode in HD, I learned that the small fight when Korra breakes out of the box and when she attacks Amon is some of the most fluid and beautiful animation that I've seen in a cartoon since a Miyazaki film.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Sundoulos on June 12, 2012, 08:23:16 AM
Let's not forget that Katara not only was able to blood bend, she was stronger than Hama, so she was also able to resist Hama's blood bending as well. It's possible that Amon is a blood-bender as well (until this most recent episode, I thought he would be revealed as Yakone).
Is it possible that Amon is just absorbing powers rather than chi-blocking them? Perhaps that would explain how he was able to resist Tarlock's blood-bending.
At any rate, whatever he's doing, I suspect he's waiting to take away Korra's powers once she's in the Avatar State. As I recall, though it's when the Avatar is the most powerful, that's supposed to be the one time that you could truly kill the Avatar permanently. It seems to me that Amon is out to destroy bending at the source, and that would be one way to accomplish that goal.
A review of the last episode on AV Club caught my attention because it cited the following quote from one of the show's creators.
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Comics Alliance: It's been established that Korra is naturally more physical and less spiritual than Aang, which makes her fit in with the more technology dependent Republic City. Just as the new Avatar and her world have changed since Aang's time, should fans expect possible future manifestations of The Spirit World to be similarly altered?
Michael DiMartino: The Spirit World hasn't changed, exactly, but what will be interesting is to see how the spirit world reacts to Korra's technologically dependent world.
The review goes on to say that we haven't seen any of that this season, aside from Amon's seemingly supernatural powers. I suspect that we'll begin to see some of that rectified in the penultimate episode of the season, though.
At first I thought that Amon could be some other vessel or Spirit World agent designed to kind of a judgement for Republic city, but that doesn't really make sense. I would think that the Spirit World wouldn't want the real world to be completely severed; then again, there were already spirits in A:TLA that were downright hostile or at least less than fond of humanity e.g. Koh the Face-Stealer and Wan Shi Tong (the owl in The Library).
(I've secretly been hoping for a return of Koh. Koh was creepy.)
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 12, 2012, 10:18:44 AM
You've seen my Koh's rant, right? Here's the tl;dr version: spirits are not evil. Each one is in charge of a worldly duty. We don't know what Koh's is for sure, but we can assume that he is some kind of world-balance-checker. He killed Avatar Kuruk's wife because Kuruk was shirking on his Avatar duties. Does that make him evil enough to "liberate" Republic City? No.
And in any case, if the Spirit World wanted to liberate the city, they'd just destroy it. They don't seem like they have a "plan". Hei Bei and the Water Spirit come to mind.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 13, 2012, 03:56:00 PM
Artwork for the finale by one the show creators. Considering that Korra seems to be wearing Equalist clothing, we can assum that hse tries to infiltrate their main base. And since Hiroshi is in the artwork, he's probably going to make a return.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Sundoulos on June 16, 2012, 12:43:15 AM
You've seen my Koh's rant, right? Here's the tl;dr version: spirits are not evil. Each one is in charge of a worldly duty. We don't know what Koh's is for sure, but we can assume that he is some kind of world-balance-checker. He killed Avatar Kuruk's wife because Kuruk was shirking on his Avatar duties. Does that make him evil enough to "liberate" Republic City? No.
And in any case, if the Spirit World wanted to liberate the city, they'd just destroy it. They don't seem like they have a "plan". Hei Bei and the Water Spirit come to mind.
I didn't use the word "evil", though I don't really think that Koh is very altruistic. It's been a while since I've seen the episodes in which he appears, but I do remember thinking of him as at least sinister. He told Aang what he needed to know, but I don't think he would have had any compunction about causing Aang harm. He actively tried to get Aang to show emotion.
We don't know the circumstances under which Koh acquired those other faces. We could presume that they also were involved in some sort of judgement, but I seriously doubt it.
I'm just saying that he's definitely not altruistic. I do agree that the Spirits wouldn't be aiding an agent to take bending away.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 16, 2012, 12:54:56 AM
The only reason he seems sinister is because his whole reason to exist is to steal faces. And considering his name is "Koh, The Face Stealer" it isn't exactly surprising that he tried to steal Aang's face. But hey, your arguments sound better than other's that I've heard. It's normally one of my berserk buttons. Same with those theories that Aang's other son is Amon. That one is just stupid.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2012, 01:11:01 AM
Considering Koh is one of the those characters that the last series teased would be a bigger issue than he actually was, I actually really like the theory that Amon made some kind of deal with him and Koh took his face. It's the only thing that seems to explain Amon having Energy-bending abilities when that was something only the spirits and the Avatar could do.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 16, 2012, 01:12:10 AM
Amon still has his face though. You can very clearly see his eyes many times in The Legend of Korra. Koh is known to take the entire face. Eyes, nose, mouth, and all. Plus, before the age of bending the elements, it was the norm to do what Aang did during the series finale. I don't think it's just spirits and the Avatar that can do it. The problem is, he had to have learned it from an extremely old spirit (which I guess points to Koh) or that Lion Turtle.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2012, 01:15:53 AM
Amon still has his face though. You can very clearly see his eyes many times in The Legend of Korra. Koh is known to take the entire face. Eyes, nose, mouth, and all.
Hmm...true. When we see Koh's lair in Season 1 of the original series, you see a lot of victims around it with completely blank faces IIRC. Still, small inconsistencies wouldn't be altogether new for this series, considering we saw that Aang didn't have to do the whole "glow-y energy tug of war" thing when he energy-bended Yakkon in the flashback.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 16, 2012, 01:30:44 AM
I have another explanation for that too but I'm sure you're tired of me arguing with you. :P
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on June 16, 2012, 12:31:48 PM
Still, small inconsistencies wouldn't be altogether new for this series, considering we saw that Aang didn't have to do the whole "glow-y energy tug of war" thing when he energy-bended Yakkon in the flashback.
The tug of war always happens we just don't see it. I don't think that was something anyone could see in the first one either, it was just shown to the audience.
Big things in the new episodeLin is unbent. Another great episode overall and I like how Korra isn't the one responsible for the future right now.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Sundoulos on June 16, 2012, 01:56:18 PM
Amon still has his face though. You can very clearly see his eyes many times in The Legend of Korra. Koh is known to take the entire face. Eyes, nose, mouth, and all.
Hmm...true. When we see Koh's lair in Season 1 of the original series, you see a lot of victims around it with completely blank faces IIRC. Still, small inconsistencies wouldn't be altogether new for this series, considering we saw that Aang didn't have to do the whole "glow-y energy tug of war" thing when he energy-bended Yakkon in the flashback.
I have wondered if Amon was hiding his face behind the mask just as some sort of a defense from Koh. Assuming that he made some kind of deal, he would assume that Koh would come to collect at some point.
Sometimes a mask is just a mask, though. I haven't seen today's episode, but I wonder if we'll find out who Amon is before the end of the season. I like a little mystery, but I think that it will drive me crazy if we don't learn something else. :)
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 23, 2012, 11:19:21 AM
And did you see how pissed Tarrlock got when Korra compared him to Amon? I'm slightly changing my orginal theory from Amon being Yakone's son to both Tarrlock AND Amon being Yakone's children. They made it pretty obvious in the flashback that Yakone is a bloodbender, and that Aang somehow was able to resist it. It explains why Tarrlock got so pissed when he was compared to Amon - they are brothers.
I have no idea what they're gonna do for the final four episodes of the season.
Remember, when I said this? Yeah, I was right on the dot. Boo-ya.
EDIT: Did...did Tarrlock actually just kill Amon and himself? Holy ****.
Slightly disappointed they got her and Lin's bending back so easily but whatever. Also, I wish they had some sort of cliff hanger so we knew what was next for the series. Oh well, everything else was fucking awesome!
I really have nothing else to say. Speechless.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on June 23, 2012, 01:52:04 PM
Its incredibly rare for a show like this to surpass the original, probably because it tries to be different and covers very different ground.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Stogi on June 24, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
Sad story for Amon. What an awesome character. I hope we see him again.
This series was incredible. What they did in 12 episodes is amazing. To make me care about the characters almost as much as I did the last series after three seasons is pretty hard thing to accomplish. Now there were some blemishes, and they mainly have to do with Mako, but in return we were introduced to fart bending.
I don't mind that everything was neatly wrapped up. It'll make the wait for season 2 that much easier. And though a bit rushed, I still thought the ending was very powerful and moving. I just wish Aang had more lines. Actually, I wish Aang had more lines and took Korra away into the spirit world with Appa. I wanted the Avatar Spirit to be introduced and explained again, mainly because of how well they explained it last time. But that's a minor gripe. But speaking of minor gripes, what a tease it was to see Bumi. I mean, I'd rather see him then not see him, but that was lame.
Everything other than character development and writing was way better than the previous series. It had a better villian, better animation, better fight scenes, better intensity; it really showed how talented these individuals are. It makes me sad to remember how badly M. Night fucked it all up.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 25, 2012, 12:30:58 AM
Might I just say that they way they tied up Amon and Tarrlock's story was extremely well done? I've never been so moved by a villain like this since, well, Azula's ending in the first series.
I'm surprised they got away with showing a murder-suicide on Nickelodeon, though. Not that I'm complaining, but still.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: UncleBob on June 25, 2012, 12:46:19 AM
I agree. That ending, on Nick... wow. :D
As per the comment that the lack of a cliffhanger will make the wait easier... I disagree.
@caldy on Twitter said it best:
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Somehow Legend of Korra having an ending with zero cliffhangers has created an EVEN BIGGER CLIFFHANGER.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 25, 2012, 01:25:48 AM
Exactly! At least before that, we had cliffhangers that could at least give us an idea of where the show was heading so we could spend the wait writing fan fiction, creating theories, debating, etc. Now we can't!
Partly because they had planned for the show to end with the finale but whatever. :P
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Sundoulos on June 25, 2012, 11:50:58 PM
It is amazing that they managed to make me feel sorry for both Amon and Tarlock in a single episode. If there is one thing they did well this season, it's that they really managed to make the antagonists more than one-dimensional characters (Zuko, notwithstanding). I was actually very moved in their final scene.
My only (minor) gripe is that I wanted to know more about how Amon actually managed to find and take Tenzin's family captive. Until Tenzin spoke, I actually thought that it was just a trick to bait Korra. In my mind, it seems like it lessened Lin's sacrifice...just a little.
General Iroh's is worthy of his great great uncle's name. The guy was literally a one-man army.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on June 25, 2012, 11:54:21 PM
Have you heard the theory online that Korra was contemplating suicide on that cliff? It makes sense, considering that bending is part of her identity and how close she was to the edge. Makes the scene pretty powerful.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Sundoulos on June 26, 2012, 01:29:51 AM
I first read that on an avclub review, but I'll admit that it didn't occur to me at the time. Seems, plausible though, since the show has subtly (and, in some cases, not-so-subtly) dealt with references to murder, genocide, and patricide.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: SixthAngel on June 26, 2012, 07:41:20 PM
My only (minor) gripe is that I wanted to know more about how Amon actually managed to find and take Tenzin's family captive. Until Tenzin spoke, I actually thought that it was just a trick to bait Korra. In my mind, it seems like it lessened Lin's sacrifice...just a little.
I imagine they caught up because of the airplanes they were keeping secret.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on July 11, 2012, 06:30:51 PM
26 more episodes were announced on top of the other 14 episodes we still have.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra
Post by: Oblivion on July 13, 2012, 04:05:42 PM
If you are interested in all the brick-shittingly awesome info for the show that we got during SDCC, here it is:
About time Nickelodeon announced a BluRay set for Korra! :D Now if only they'll quickly announce & release a BluRay set for the new TMNT once its current season ends, I can be content with them. It'd be nice to have a BluRay set for the original Avatar as well. The old DVDs have some noticeable compression signs.
Title: Re: Avatar: The Legend of Korra [Blu-Ray and DVD Book 1 release July 16th]
Post by: azeke on April 10, 2013, 02:00:24 AM
DVD discs of season 1 and beginning of 2 are barely watchable due to DVD transfer artifacts.
I'm not even asking for BR release, just fix your DVDs.
Yeah, I ended up downloading torrents of those episodes because they were clearer than their own DVD's. It's a shame, really.
EDIT: And before I get pokepal in here, I actually own all three season boxsets, plus the limited edition versions and the individuals volumes of season 1. I think I have the right to download torents of a few episodes.
I doubt we'll ever get a blu-ray release of the first show, but it'd be nice. They should do that plus a soundtrack for each show.
Oh, and in case you're curious, here is the Amazon page for the Korra Book 1 art book. They plan on releasing one for eeach season. If it's as good as the one for TLA, it's going to be a very very good collector's item that delves deep in the history of the shows.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 26, 2014, 02:48:33 PM
SEASON THREE HYPE THREAD BABY
For those that don't know, The Legend of Korra comes back tomorrow with the first three episodes of Book 3 tomorrow at 7 P.M. Then they'll take a two week break and come back July 11th at the normal time, 8 P.M.
Those leaked episodes were FANTASTIC so I'm pumped for the premiere tomorrow. An hour and a half of LoK bliss. <3
Here's the fantastic trailer for season 3 if you missed it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0UBbzeFc74)
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 26, 2014, 08:13:14 PM
I can not wait for this show. This and the new TMNT series are my favorite television right now.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 27, 2014, 09:34:51 PM
So, what everyone think of that premiere?
I love the new villains, I love the Korra and Asami hijinks, I love the realistic reactions of the people who became airbenders, I loved the whole damn thing.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: broodwars on June 27, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
Damn. Forgot the premier was tonight. *goes to check his usual sites*
I have a lot of hopes for this season, just as I have every other Korra season. Hopefully this season lives up to your impressions of the 1st few episodes.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 27, 2014, 11:07:43 PM
Now, just remember that I'm a hardcore fanatic when it comes to the stuff I love. I hope I don't over hype it for you. ;)
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Caterkiller on June 28, 2014, 12:37:54 AM
I want to like the Avatar series. With the whole wushu thing I thought I was going to love it. Am I a bad person?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 28, 2014, 01:07:43 AM
Hey, if you don't like it, you don't like it. No big deal. The most I would say is allow me a paragraph to convince you to rewatch a few episodes before you write it off completely but it's totally fine.
I gotta be honest, I don't know what "wushu" thing you are referring to.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: UncleBob on June 28, 2014, 02:19:30 AM
Watched all three episodes.
I was quite happy with first and second seasons and I feel like I'm going to enjoy this season as well. I like the "Ocean's 11" vibe from the villains being gathered - though, if they've been imprisoned for 13 years, I can't help but wonder why they have a grudge against the Avatar...
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 28, 2014, 12:07:48 PM
I am so frustrated right now. Korra is not on itunes anymore. Not at all. Not seasons 1 or 2. Obviously not season 3...but I thought you would be able to buy a season pass right now. So I tried to find information online and nothing.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 28, 2014, 04:04:36 PM
Wait, what the ****? They removed both seasons? Are you sure? Do you live live in another country?
EDIT: It's still in the US iTunes, so I don't know what's going on for you. I do know that season 3 isn't on itunes yet. If you want, I can send you a link or two to a torrent that you can use until they become available on itunes.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Dan Laser on June 28, 2014, 06:50:35 PM
Whaaaat Book 3 premiere last night with 3 episodes?! Guess I've got something to do this rainy afternoon! So glad you made a post about this cuz I definitely did not know about it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 28, 2014, 10:03:58 PM
Glad my fanboy tendencies helped someone. :)
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Stogi on June 29, 2014, 02:08:39 PM
I just watched them and I loved them. The voices for the main bad guy is a little weird. You'd expect something more Avatar Roku, but that's literally the only thing I can complain about. Otherwise, the new character additions have been great.
The action, though, has been superb. It's been choreographed so well, but even better is the fact that they have already shown advanced techniques of bending we haven't seen before. And that's what truly excites me. If they are already showing new techniques, then what'll happen when they face the Avatar or even better, combine them?
Anyway, the two week break is cool, but I can't wait to see Zuko tear some **** up.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 29, 2014, 02:54:38 PM
Spoiler alert concerning Zuko He gets his ass kicked. It makes sense considering he did just say that any one of them could take down even the best bender, but it was still a little disappointing..
Also, I don't know if anyone noticed, but Ming-Hua (the waterbender villain without arms) is voiced by Grey DeLisle, the voice actor for Azula.
One thing that bothers me is that one guy who can lavabend. Apparently he's a earthbender. It doesn't make sense for him to be able to create lava, in my opinion. If he was a firebender I'd say that would make far more sense.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Stogi on June 29, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
Lavabend makes sense for both.
Lava is really just rock pressurized, something an earthbender could be able to make. But pressurized rock generates heat, something a firebender can manipulate.
BTW, I had no idea Platinum was developing a short game for the show.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Dan Laser on June 29, 2014, 03:50:30 PM
The first 3 eps seem to be building to a promising season (or at least some awesome fight scenes). It’s great being able to marathon a few episodes at a time. I hear you can find up to episode 6 in spanish out there?
I don’t really have a problem with Republic City, but I’m glad that they are actually doing some traveling to other regions this season.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 29, 2014, 05:03:43 PM
I hear you can find up to episode 6 in spanish out there?
Yep! The leak is the reason why the new season started up so quickly. I can bet they were waiting to show the trailer for Comic Con this year like they always do and the show was going to premiere sometime in September.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 29, 2014, 05:41:57 PM
Wait, what the ****? They removed both seasons? Are you sure? Do you live live in another country?
EDIT: It's still in the US iTunes, so I don't know what's going on for you. I do know that season 3 isn't on itunes yet. If you want, I can send you a link or two to a torrent that you can use until they become available on itunes.
I have checked 3 times. I live in Korea, but my itunes is connected to the US store. Whenever I search for the Legend of Korra...it says it is not available in the US store. I have contacted customer service and they said, they don't understand what is happening...and it might be the contact provider. It is very strange. All of Korra to me is off of itunes.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 29, 2014, 07:07:27 PM
That's definitely something on your end. Sorry man. :\
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 3 @ June 27th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 29, 2014, 07:24:47 PM
I know. I have tried different computers too. This really sucks.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Ep. 4 & 5 @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 29, 2014, 09:35:06 PM
Just an update for everyone, Nick just announced that when Korra comes back on July 11th at 8 P.M., it will be an hour long "special" showing episode 4 and 5. :)
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Ep. 4 & 5 @ July 11th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 30, 2014, 07:54:04 PM
Until my itunes fixes I just watched the shows streaming. I have to say, I really liked the first 3 episodes. They really are taking their time building the new world sense so much has changed. I like how some people have seemed to adapt to the world much quicker and easier...and some are having difficulties. I loved the reality of the new air benders, and the idea of change...this is a new air nation, it will not conform to the ideals of the past, and this will be a big theme of the season I am sure.
As for the villains, I think they did a great job making an interesting group of villains, and I like that they getting back to a "team of villains" and I love the idea that they believe they are on a holy quest per say.
Now, if Korra can actually grow up and stop whining and getting emotional whenever she can't do something perfect. I know this is her character flaw...and it is important to show it, just like Aang's character flaw was not being serious enough...but she should know by now that being the Avatar isn't easy...and she should be able to deal with it more.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Ep. 4 & 5 @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on June 30, 2014, 08:35:54 PM
She has been growing up. Her decision to admit that Wan could have been wrong and not separate the worlds was the first sign of this. Not only this, she tried to be mature and fix the vine problem in the city in a way that shows she is learning. Compared to Season 1 when she was first attacked by Amon and was sobbing on the ground in Tenzin's arms... she's come a long way. And you have to think: Aang matured far quicker due to the fact that his entire people were wiped out and there had been a 100 year war. In comparison, Korra has not dealt with something so sobering. You can't expect her to be as mature. She's a stupid pampered teen who had everything handed to her and told that she was special. However, she's getting better... and we still have half the show left. I can guarantee she'll be the Avatar everyone wants by the end of the show.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Ep. 4 & 5 @ July 11th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 01, 2014, 03:02:07 AM
Oblivion: True. She is growing, and I like that she makes mistakes. It is almost as if, she makes so many mistakes and barely its out alive. It is something I appreciate about the show…and it may not be the character, but just the personal voice and actress portraying that frustration and emotion.
I actually hope she is never the "Avatar people want her to be". Tenzien had it right, being the Avatar means some people will appreciate your choices and others will not. I love the complex nature of this world, and the concept of on person trying to do good in a society that has many different opinions and motivations truly shows that the writers of the show are pursuing real world issues in their stories.
Korra is one of my favorite TV shows…and this season seems to be starting off very good, and should be something special. They have the time to explore and tell a good story without rushing anything.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on July 02, 2014, 07:27:40 PM
Just an update for people not in the know, Nick is airing two episodes every Friday starting July 11th at 8 P.M. That means the season will end near the beginning of August.
On one hand, I love getting more Korra episodes quicker, but I'm not a fan of how they've been treating the show. Sitting on episodes, releasing the season without fanfare, then changing the schedule radically like this... they won't get good ratings and they only have themselves to blame.
However, this treatmeant isn't even close to what they did to Season 3 of Avatar. They aired the entire second half of Season 3 in just one week, ending with the final four episodes as one finale. Did I mention that like four of those episodes had been leaked in other countries long before this? Ugh.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Stogi on July 02, 2014, 08:50:38 PM
I'd prefer if they released all of them online right now.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 02, 2014, 10:52:26 PM
I think the reason we are getting this rushed release is because of the leaks. Nick did not expect or want episodes out in the wild this quickly. I remember saying they wanted to air them without break as well. But once things are out in the wild, you have respond quickly. People can watch the episodes leaked and will be tempted to, if Nick doesn't provide some way of watching it legally.
Also, an update on itunes. Korra has officially been pulled from the itunes store in the US. If you have not purchased it already you can not purchase it in the US store. This is official from an apple itunes representative. So...thanks a lot Nick. I was going to give you money to watch your show. Now I can't.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on July 02, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
See, I just see that as more evidence that Nick really doesn't give a **** about the show. I hope they at least add Book 3 to nick.com soon.
I really hope they don't get rid of the first series from iTunes, because that's the only place you can get the episodes how they were supposed to be shown (multi-part episodes edited together) along with the unaired pilot without the commentary from the box sets. I'm now curious if iTunes had that for Korra as well.
In terms of the leaks, I feel like that would only make sense up to episode 6, which was the last episode of the leaks. After that... why?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 03, 2014, 12:51:58 AM
I check every day to see if it will be brought back.
I am happy that Nick at least ordered and informed the creators they wanted season 3-4. The creators already know they can make a bigger connected story and series. Nick did the same thing with Ninja Turtles. They have already ordered season 3 and 4.
This is the way to help creators plot out and tell good stories. So at least Nick is doing that.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on July 09, 2014, 07:54:38 PM
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Starting July 14, episodes 1 - 3 of Book Three will be available to own online in their glorious HD form
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Yes — Book 3 episodes will begin to be available for purchase online soon. Unfortunately, there is a delay between when the episodes air and when they’re available for purchase.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on July 12, 2014, 04:58:56 PM
Were those the best episodes of Korra or far or what? We have good character development, things are moving at a quick pace and nothing is slowing things down. AMAZING as **** action scenes. Seriously, this is without a doubt a return to form. Bravo!
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: broodwars on July 12, 2014, 11:21:02 PM
Were those the best episodes of Korra or far or what? We have good character development, things are moving at a quick pace and nothing is slowing things down. AMAZING as **** action scenes. Seriously, this is without a doubt a return to form. Bravo!
I've finally caught up to the most recent episode, and man this season feels like it was made by a completely different creative team than Season 2. We're out of that goddamn city. We're finally getting to see what the post-Last Airbender world looks like. The fight scenes have competent storyboarding and animation. Plot elements are being gradually introduced and naturally developed rather than just dumping them on us. Korra isn't a total idiot this season. Chief BeiFong actually has something to DO. Man...why couldn't Season 2 have been like this?
I really liked the Metal Bender city. It reminded me of TLA Ba Sing Sei, where you saw benders using their abilities to replicate modern technology in creative ways, rather than them just having that technology. And my favorite character of the original series, Toph, is still alive...somewhere.
On the downside, I'm kind of bummed that the Fire Bender of the new villain group didn't turn out to be Azula. It really felt like they were setting the stage for her to be the big reveal, considering Zuko was getting involved with that last prisoner.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on July 13, 2014, 01:18:21 AM
*shrug* I think having Azula back would be too much of a tie to the first series with Toph, Zuko, and Sokka all being in these episodes are mentioned in them. Having Azula being the leader of these villains, while cool, would be too much for me. I like how it is right now.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 15, 2014, 04:46:42 AM
I am glad Azula isn't in it. Actually, I would love for them to set her up for some sort of redemption.
I have been staying away from this thread until I got caught up. Moving out of the city was an important step in the development of the story. But season 2 moved out of the city as well. I had no problem with season 2, as it was a more intimate story about family, and this one seems to be building upon it.
I just love the villains and I love how competent everyone is in the story. It just makes for good solid storytelling. I also liked how basically the first 4 episodes felt like a little mini-movie. They had the side plot for the main season arc, but the Earth Kingdom storyline flowed well, and we got the air bending kingdom back. I know the Earth Queen will be back. I know she is going to be a big part of this story…but those first 4 episodes felt like a nice arc.
And it feels like episode 5 starts another new arc "Avatar in hiding" which is just such great storytelling…and I love getting back to intense bender on bender battles, and the idea of basically an "evil" team avatar is pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on July 15, 2014, 11:04:02 AM
I am glad Azula isn't in it. Actually, I would love for them to set her up for some sort of redemption.
Read the comics. ;) They won't ever tell that story since they already did in The Search.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 15, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
I know about that story line, but it would still be interesting to give something to the fans that only watch the animation.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on July 19, 2014, 03:31:58 AM
Lots of character development the past two episodes! "Original Airbenders" is probably the first Korra episode to feel like an episode of A:TLA (in a good way). It was genuinely funny, filled with a crapload of world-building on behalf of the air nomads. I think that episode gave us a better insight into their culture than the first series ever did.
Lin's backstory with her sister was great to see, though I still think there's more to it than we were let on. It seems the theory with her issues with her sister and Tenzin might be that she's infertile. She doesn't have children, she might even hate her sister for having this large, loving family. That would also explain her anger towards Opal. I mean, Tenzin needed more airbenders... and Lin couldn't provide that. Even if this is never said outright, this is pretty much what I'm going to believe unless we are shown otherwise.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 20, 2014, 09:34:34 AM
I think we have seen most of all we need to know about Lin and her sister. They are setting up for a big siege/battle on the city. The whole idea of the villains invading the "safest city" in the world is traditional action storytelling. I predict some major damages occurring to the Metal Clan. There city is most likely not going to survive, and Lin or her sister will be required to rescue the other. Korra will have her first fight with the new villains proving they are truly dangerous and she will barely escape.
Personally, I hoping for higher stakes than that…I am hoping for a possible death to really stun the audience. Though if that happened it would probably be "good guy" death. But honestly I would love to see one of the 4 villains die pushing the other villains into taking more desperate measures and being generally less willing to play fair.
I think Tenzin needing more air benders is correct…but I think that is why he married a non bender instead of a bender. Lin not being able to have kids probably doesn't play into it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Oblivion on July 20, 2014, 08:33:27 PM
Yeah, you make some good points. I would love to see a good character die by the end of the season. I having my murder-suicides on my children shows! :P:
Apparently the villain group is called the Red Lotus.
Also, if you don't care about spoilers, the rest of the season title cards have been revealed. Interesting stuff. ;D
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [2 Eps. every Friday starting @ July 11th]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 20, 2014, 10:15:54 PM
Titles don't usually bother me. They rarely actually give anything away. Like I knew the title for the First Airbenders, and I would have guessed it meant something else.
I really love the story idea of new airbenders not being like the old air nomads. That Tenzin has to learn to grow and accept that the Air Nation can evolve and become something else. Actually true air nomads would eventually integrate into whatever society they were apart of. and I hope that is where this leads, because it is a pretty cool idea of old verse new.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week]
Post by: Oblivion on July 23, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
Nickelodeon Pulls Five “Legend of Korra” Premieres (http://www.nickandmore.com/2014/07/23/nickelodeon-pulls-five-legend-of-korra-premieres/)
Well, ****. I mean, I guess I should expect this treatment of Avatar from Nick, considering what they did to Season 3 of A:TLA, but still. I'm pretty fucking mad. For the lazy, we are only getting one episode this week (episode 8 ) and the rest of the season has been put on hiatus and we don't know when it's coming back. The show isn't cancelled and we are getting the rest of the show, including season 4, but who knows when we will get the next episodes. I can see Nick doing what they did with Season 3 of A:TLA and waiting six months before giving us the rest of the episodes all in one week.
There's a silver lining to this news, however. Either this source is wrong or Nick is simply gearing up to return to one episode a week since they got past the leaked episodes last week.
*shrug* I'm pretty pissed but its not surprising. Unfortunately this means that Season 3's lackluster ratings are about to get even more lackluster.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: Oblivion on July 23, 2014, 08:41:20 PM
It seems we have more news about Nick not airing the upcoming episodes of Korra. Micheal DiMartino, co-creator of Avatar and Korra, just posted this a little while ago on his Facebook:
Hang tight, Korra fans. There is 1 new episode this Friday at 8, then the rest of the season will be available from various sites online. We'll let you know when we have more details. Thanks!
Interesting. I wonder what are these "various sites" and whether or not all the episodes will be available at once. This does not bode well for Book 4 or the series after Korra ends.
EDIT: This was just posted by Bryan Konietzko's (the other co-creator) tumblr:
So I guess we'll be waiting for the Comic-Con panel this Friday for more news.
I'm not happy by this news. I don't know how they'll be able to keep the same budget while being an online-only Nickelodeon show. Not only that, this pretty much kills any chance of them doing the animated Avatar film they wanted to do after Korra.
This has never happened before, so this next year is going to be very interesting indeed.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: Shaymin on July 23, 2014, 10:25:24 PM
Remind me - did the entire season leak or just a few episodes?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: azeke on July 23, 2014, 11:41:18 PM
At this point i am more hyped for the game rather than ending of Book 3 and book 4.
Still, this is worrying.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 23, 2014, 11:57:31 PM
It seems we have more news about Nick not airing the upcoming episodes of Korra. Micheal DiMartino, co-creator of Avatar and Korra, just posted this a little while ago on his Facebook:
Hang tight, Korra fans. There is 1 new episode this Friday at 8, then the rest of the season will be available from various sites online. We'll let you know when we have more details. Thanks!
Interesting. I wonder what are these "various sites" and whether or not all the episodes will be available at once. This does not bode well for Book 4 or the series after Korra ends.
Various sites include but are not limited to: Hulu Plus, The Pirates Bay, ISOHunt, EZTV, Nickelodeon.com & possibly Amazon Prime Instant Video
I honestly didn't even know this show started up again... but it's waaay below the level of the original Avatar series for me, so personally I wasn't all that enthused about it to begin with. Didn't want to see it cancelled demoted from airing on cable only, I just wasn't interested in watching it till I could probably marathon the whole thing.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: Oblivion on July 24, 2014, 01:24:38 AM
I honestly didn't even know this show started up again... but it's waaay below the level of the original Avatar series for me,
To be fair, Season 3, in my opinion, is on the same level as the original series. Season 1 went in an interesting direction, Season 2 was just plain bad at some points, but Season 3 is utterly fantastic and better than the original show in some regards.
Which is why this news is so saddening. When the show finally hits it's stride, Nick decides to shove it off a cliff.
Hey azeke, can you tell that I miss ASN? :P
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: broodwars on July 24, 2014, 01:41:42 AM
At this point, I don't know what to think of Nick. Their TMNT series is excellent, but Nick seems to air the episodes at completely random times between long stretches of hiatus to no fanfare. Korra Season 3 has been surprisingly well-constructed (considering Season 2), but Nick is not only pulling the series but going "digital only?" WTF is going on with that network?
And while we're at it, Nick seems to be extremely unwilling to actually capitalize on the home video market. TMNT doesn't have any true season sets, and it's DVD-only. That show would shine on BluRay. Korra's on BluRay, but Avatar: TLA isn't. *throws hands up in the air*
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: Oblivion on July 24, 2014, 01:52:13 AM
The reason Avatar isn't on Blu-Ray isn't their fault. They literally don't have the higher quality assets anymore. That's also the reason they don't have a soundtrack for the original series: the originals don't exists anymore and they'd have to redo all the music.
But yeah, Nick has never treated their quality shows with any sort of dignity.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: broodwars on July 24, 2014, 02:18:59 AM
Stuff like this is why I don't watch new TV shows anymore. It's just increasingly pointless. Anytime I give a show a chance and start to grow attached to it, the studios pull it because the idiots of the country are too busy screwing around on their iPhones or giving Michael Bay money to fart in their face. At this point, I think the only show left that I still watch is Game of Thrones and maybe House of Cards. *sigh* Oh well. I guess I can look forward to the next batch of 5 TMNT episodes probably sometime in the next 2 months.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: Oblivion on July 24, 2014, 02:35:57 AM
Maybe you should wait for this Friday's Comic Con panel before you write Korra off completely. :P: :
I do have to agree with you, though. Korra was the only TV show I watch and now I might not even have that.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 24, 2014, 06:18:03 AM
This makes me mad. Of course they ratings were low. They have completely mishandled the series. It still is not on iTunes. What is frustrating is the series is really incredible, this new season is so good it feels better than anything else on television and Nick is being stupid with it.
What is really stupid is if the ratings are low, just air all of it and get it over with. If you hold on to it too longer you will just kill all the series.
Just do a marathon or something.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Put on hiatus; only 1 episode this week; online-only?]
Post by: Oblivion on July 24, 2014, 01:21:03 PM
Some good news, Book 4 is still going to happen. From Mike's facebook:
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Hey everyone! I appreciate all the support for the show and share your frustration. But the good news is, you will be able to see the rest of Book 3 of Korra, I just don't know all the details yet. And there is most definitely a Book 4. All the pre-production is done and Studio Mir is hard at work on the animation. So this was a disappointing development for sure but as long as you all are able to see the show in some capacity, I'm grateful. And honestly, you're all watching it online anyway, right?
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And honestly, you're all watching it online anyway, right?
Hey Korra Nation! Phew. Some of you may have heard versions of this news elsewhere, but here’s the official word. After this Friday’s on-air premiere of Episode 8 “The Terror Within” at 8/7c, all remaining Book 3 episodes will move to a digital rollout. That means two things: 1) Korra is NOT cancelled, 2) the remaining episodes will roll out weekly on Nick.com and the Nick app beginning August 1, as well as on platforms like Amazon, Google Play, Xbox and Hulu.Thousands of you have been asking to watch this incredible show online, so hopefully this news works in your favor. Mike and Bryan created a breath-taking season for us all…so get ready to watch it all go down!!!
Thanks for being the BEST fans in the industry and see you at Comic-Con.
That's good news, though them saying "season" is worrisome. Even though Mike thinks theres a Book 4 due to how far they are in production, they could still be canceled.
(https://i.imgur.com/cfWRrue.gif)
In other news, at Comic Con there's a rooftop party for the game so we might be getting the first gameplay footage this weekend.
I'm so sad. ;_;
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: pokepal148 on July 24, 2014, 01:33:07 PM
I believe the search was originally meant to be an animated special...
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: Oblivion on July 24, 2014, 01:36:46 PM
I believe the search was originally meant to be an animated special...
Nope, that is completely false. They've said in interviews and commentary that The Search and its plot was made specifically as as comic and as a sequel to The Promise. It was never going to be a TV special. When they said that Aang and co. were done as main characters on TV, they meant it.
The only other thing they had planned was maybe doing an animated film after taking a break after they finish Korra. With the recent news, that probably never happen. Of course, I said the same thing about how they treat ATLA and we got Korra so there still might be hope in the world...
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: UncleBob on July 24, 2014, 03:01:16 PM
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Nope - even avoided watching the leaked videos. :D
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 24, 2014, 04:26:26 PM
no seriously. Sundays @ 8pm. Animation Domination can stray from comedy for a little bit.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: pokepal148 on July 24, 2014, 04:48:14 PM
This has got to be the second worst mishandling of a TV Show that I knew of.
Now to show who the geniuses that Nickelodeon is dealing with, first place goes to the BBC's handling of Doctor Who from when Colin Baker took the starring role while being given a horrible costume and poorly written plots to them finally canceling the show in 1989 (right as many would argue it had begun to revitalize itself)
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 24, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
Thanks, NICK. You lost credibility. You had one of the most creative and thoughtful animated series...and you killed it. This can only hopefully lead to Netflix or some other service picking up the series and running with it. All three seasons to me were as fun and well developed as the original series, and I just want to see where they are taking this series.
Finally, about watching it online. Nick you are FORCING me to watch it online. I wanted to buy it on itunes and give you my money...but NOPE. It isn't there. I could buy it on Amazon, but I don't really like Amazon. I want my music and videos to be from one source...easy to maintain and keep track of everything then. Finally, I live in another country so netflix and ever other streaming digital service doesn't work. So thanks a lot.
I am just happy that the Ninja Turtles sell toys...because that means you won't treat it as poorly...but I am frustrated that we are waiting to see the last 4 episodes of season 2.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: broodwars on July 24, 2014, 08:53:31 PM
I am just happy that the Ninja Turtles sell toys...because that means you won't treat it as poorly...but I am frustrated that we are waiting to see the last 4 episodes of season 2.
We are? I watched what seemed to be the last episode of Season 2 nearly a month ago.
I can't say I care much for the dig at the fans that the Avatar creators made about watching the show online. I didn't see Seasons 1-2 of TLA until they hit DVD. I watched Season 3 live & on DVD. I've watched all of Korra online. I've watched the entirety of the new TMNT online. It's called "the future", Nick. It's not my damn fault that you've chosen to not make money off that.
On a side note, they should totally animate The Search. It was kind of a lame comic series (mostly because it's a franchise heavily based on movement translated to a format with NO movement), but it could make for a decent Special.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: shingi_70 on July 24, 2014, 11:40:57 PM
And I thought nick were doing better than CN. Its crazy that disney XD is the best of them sright now.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 25, 2014, 01:40:47 AM
Even Disney cancelled the Tron Uprising Show before it hit its prime. It was supposed to be an excellent show. Cartoon Network cancels Young Justice because they can't sell toys with the brand easily...and ratings were low. Now Nick is treating Korra like crap, but at least they haven't cancelled it.
The thing is, these networks only care about 2 things ratings and additional review through toys. Now, I do think networks should be striving to make a profit. However, they do STUPID things with shows that COULD have a market if they carefully positioned it at with a good schedule.
Everyone knows Fridays are the death day for new television shows. Friday nights are date nights, game nights, movie nights...you don't put a hip show that appeals to teens at that time...nobody will watch. Friday nights should be reruns and movies. You put a show like Korra on Saturday mornings as the last cartoon show older kids, and adults want to watch with their family.
Oh well...I guess we have digital. Probably get a new Avatar series eventually on netflix. I really would like them to make a two new series and go through the cycle of the Avatars. Let's see what the world looks like as man continues to develop into the future.
Next would be Rock and finally Fire.
For the Fire Avatar story, I have an easy idea. Imagine a world where bending is almost extinct because the non benders hunted them down and killed them. People have forgotten about bending and think that it is a strange myth. Then an Avatar comes and he/she has nobody to train them...but has this power. What do you do with a quest that seems to have no purpose? In a world that doesn't even believe in you anymore.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Online-only; weekly episodes @ Nick.com starting Aug. 1st]
Post by: UncleBob on July 25, 2014, 10:25:32 AM
Even Disney cancelled the Tron Uprising Show before it hit its prime. It was supposed to be an excellent show.
/sadface.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Oblivion on July 25, 2014, 02:01:24 PM
Alright, I'm going to just start dumping all the news from the Korra SDCC panel in this post. I will be updating it repeatedly over the next hour so if you come here in the middle of it, refresh often and you'll get more of it. Here we go! Just in case, there might be spoilers for whatever reason in this post. Just a precaution. All picture will be links so it looks more clean.
I WANT THIS
Aang's Family Photo @ SDCC (http://i.imgur.com/XR0hT6a.jpg)
If you haven't seen the A:TLA documentry, check it out at this link. It's pretty damn good.
Bryan talking at the panel about the move to online:
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“It’s a part of this hugs sea change in the whole industry. We’re seeing digital streaming doing their own content and doing their own thing. Things have changed just for us from when we did Avatar. When Book One of Korracame out, its online presence was insane. Not only the chatter, but the actualy numbers in terms of digital downloads and streaming–it’s just been huge. By the time we got to Book Two, the numbers of digital streaming, they greatly outweighed what happened on the channel. Nickelodeon has had a hard time to fit it into their programming. The Book Two finale had insane numbers when it streamed online–it was the biggest number they had all year. It’s just part of this shift. It definitely caught us by surprise. The important thing is the show is NOT cancelled!”
August 22nd is the two part finale
Episode 8 is currently being shown at the panel, but I find that pointless since the episode airs tonight.
I will not be posting spoilers for the episode since it airs tonight.
According to some of the people at SDCC, they said that they originally planned to go digital only at the beginning of Book 2 or 3 but they reversed that. The creators claim this was always "part of the plan" though based on their reactions on twitter that just might be PR speak.
I find it curious that they haven't told us when the episodes "air" online on Fridays.
Episode it over, starting fan questions.
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How would you rate Korra’s job as the Avatar?
Varney: This is a question I get a lot. Some people are like “Do you like Korra?” I think this episode we just got to watch is a great example of how much she’s come to understand that she’s the Avatar, but that doesn’t mean she can do her job alone. I think she’s on her journey. I’m proud of her–she’s wonderful and strong and human.
What’s the voice acting process?
Faustino: When I first started the show, I would rush through the script to find my lines, then as I became a fan I would read it all. We would get the script the night before and sometimes we would have the cast together when we’re all together. It’s tremendous and a lot of fun.
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How have you seen Korra and Asami’s relationship develop? Gabriel: My parents actually told me how cute Asami and Korra are together. I’m really happy, especially when two girls don’t let a guy get between them. I’m happy for them and I think they’re stronger together and they make Team Avatar stronger for it.
What’s your favorite part about voicing Lin? Sterling: This is an amazing strong woman, who is fearless and powerful and feminine and hot looking! She’s not afraid to take control and charge and really does have this amazing facet to everything she does. I love, love playing her. Is she a little like me? I think all our characters have a little similarities to us. I’m not that strong or that powerful, but I am that feminine! She’s not mean, and I play a lot of really nasty women, and she’s not. She’s very matter of fact and protect the Avatar. She’s very motherly in the way and she has a lot of baggage and issues (which I do).
Apparently Varrick's voice actor started making some sex jokes and they had to reel him in. xD
Hm, I'm wondering if some of these questions are planted.
They are now showing off some Book 3 art.
They showed off some concept art for Zaheer and specifically tried to make a different design from Tarrlock since they made Unalaq a bit too close to his design.
I'll post more stuff as I come across it. I know almost no one cares, but I mostly do this for myself. :P:
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Oblivion on July 25, 2014, 03:27:15 PM
A recap for those that don't want to go through my big post above:
Digital only was always "part of the plan" [lol ok]
August 22nd is the two part finale
August 1st is the first online only episode
They showed tonights episode
Showed a trailer for the rest of the season
This is the last big Korra panel, though they will be at NYCC
A **** ton of sexy concept art, a tease for the book 3 art book this September
For azeke: http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/07/22/sdcc-2014-ign-live-comic-con-live-stream-schedule (http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/07/22/sdcc-2014-ign-live-comic-con-live-stream-schedule)
IGN will livestream the Korra game for 15 minutes at 3:15 P.M. PST today.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Oblivion on July 25, 2014, 04:00:26 PM
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Oblivion on July 25, 2014, 06:56:59 PM
I don't see the word "Avatar" in there. :P
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: azeke on July 26, 2014, 03:16:55 AM
WHO ARE THESE RED LOTUS GUYS?
Another secret society?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2014, 10:40:08 AM
Most likely. I've been getting the feeling that there are more members than just the four villains they've shown so far. I bet the Earth Queen in involved somehow too.
Fantastic episode by the way.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 27, 2014, 08:51:03 PM
Finally watched Episode 8. Absolutely a wonderful episode.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Stogi on July 28, 2014, 09:59:38 PM
This season has been perfect so far.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2014, 01:06:35 AM
That's the tragedy behind this whole "digital-only" move.
**** you, Nick.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: shingi_70 on July 29, 2014, 02:02:35 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing more digital based content in the animation film but it sucks about how nick fucked over the avatar team. Well at least they can budle the game and season together.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: azeke on August 01, 2014, 10:51:53 AM
With the revelation in the latest episode there is no way Suyin isn't a member of Red Lotus.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Oblivion on August 01, 2014, 11:56:28 AM
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Ceric on August 01, 2014, 12:23:45 PM
I'm a little confused. Are they putting all of Korra up Digitally than moving the series to Digital Only? What exactly are they doing.
Since I don't get Nick but have Internet I be ok with the move.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Comic-con news repository]
Post by: Oblivion on August 01, 2014, 12:35:38 PM
It's already moved to digital-only. Nick is dumb
So, that episode was incredibly satisfying to me.
This episode kinda helped give a better sense of continuity between Season 2 and Season 3. Here we have an abundance of spirits roaming the place, a callback to Unalaq and his original goal as a Red Lotus member, and even to the original series.
And then we have Zaheer, who is a philosophical enemy who I can't help but sort of agree with. I wouldn't go so far as to get rid of Nations and rulers, but it's certainly better than the shitty Republic City president and Earth Queen. Unalaq was also a pretty bad dude and who knows about the Fire Lord, so Zaheer is pretty right on the money there. Plus, he just gave Aiwei a fate worse than death. Yikes. Oh, and he could talk in both the physical world and the Spirit World? What a fucking badass.
I fucking love this season.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 9 is live, link in first post]
Post by: azeke on August 07, 2014, 04:49:47 AM
3x10 Zaheer is breathtakingly awesome.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 9 is live, link in first post]
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2014, 09:50:44 AM
Ha
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 9 is live, link in first post]
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2014, 11:37:47 AM
In case it wasn't clear, Episode 10 has leaked. Pretty pointless, since you only have to wait until tomorrow. But still.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: shingi_70 on August 07, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
what the hell happened to nick.com?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2014, 12:42:01 PM
The leak seems to be from a nick.com stream, since it has the similar ghosting issues all of the other nick.com videos have. I'm sure they accidentally released it for a few minutes and someone grabbed it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 09, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
OK,
Nick needs to drop this show and give it to someone who will fund it and love it for many, many more seasons. This season has been perfect, but also proves Korra is not a children's show. This show deals with some serious issues and has not been afraid to show death and have real violent characters. It also has heroes making mistakes and living with the consequences.
What a great show…and for the record I blame Korra.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: azeke on August 15, 2014, 07:56:14 AM
3x11
Tenzin showing what a REAL airbending masters can do, too bad it's not enough.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: Oblivion on August 15, 2014, 11:24:02 AM
HOLY ****
That episode was intense.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 15, 2014, 09:38:43 PM
Yes, I was literally in tears from the episode. (I get too emotional sometimes.) But seriously, that was an incredible episode. Possibly the best episode of any of the Avatar cartoons. I think what makes this show work is that you know the creators are not going to pull any punches. They could decide to kill anyone in the series and that makes any episode more intense.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: Oblivion on August 15, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
For real. It was a genius move to kill off the Earth Queen in the previous episode since it raised the stakes so damn high.
Ming-Hua is scary
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: UncleBob on August 15, 2014, 09:53:41 PM
Hm.
The show crew said that Digital was always in the cards...
I can't help but wonder if this is proof of it. If they had left Kai dead, I would have said for certain, but man, the trashing that Tenzin was taking at the end there... ouch. Oh, and killing the Earth Queen... Didn't think Nick allowed killing of folks on their shows?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 16, 2014, 04:55:36 AM
Nick allowed death if it was only implied and offscreen. The original series had several deaths if you real thought about the action.
I read a rumor before this season started that a funeral was going to be in this season. Everyone started assuming different people. But WOW. If Tenzin dies (which I really don't think will happen) but if it happens this will be one of the most significant deaths in an American cartoon show. Really can't wait to see what happens. Also, I would love to see a pissed off Avatar not holding back.
The only thing I would regret is if they kill Tenkin I feel that didn't truly give him the heroes death he deserves. He should have at least taken out one of the 4. To me that would have proven his sacrifice worthwhile.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: UncleBob on August 16, 2014, 08:28:39 AM
The death in the original series were left vague *because* of Nick's policies.
I don't think the death of the Earth Queen was left vague...
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Episode 10 leaked...]
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2014, 10:32:49 AM
I don't think Zhao's death was that vague. But yeah, both Am on/Tarrlock's and the Earth Queen's deaths were made pretty obvious.
They said that for Amon's death, they were surprised that it had been approved by the censors with no issues.
Because of this, I can think of two possibilities for why they allowed the Earth Queen's death. Nick knew they would be taking it off the air and didn't care. They also may have just thought it wasn't that bad. One thing that ISN'T true is that her death is the reason it is off the air. That's not how it works.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2014, 03:56:49 AM
HOLY **** THAT FINALE
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: azeke on August 22, 2014, 04:04:39 AM
HOLY **** THAT AMAZON REGION LOCK!!! ;_;
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2014, 04:19:56 AM
That was amazing.
And kind of a downer at the same time.
We also may have seen our first dead body on the show with Ming-Hua's death.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: azeke on August 22, 2014, 05:53:48 AM
Book 3 finale was VERY, VERY similar to ATLA finale.
In the epic scope and score, in the last epic battle (two flying supermen duking it out among phallic rocks formation), in the general impression (ending is very sad and the canon is irreparably changed again).
Unfortunately Zaheer as is the case with all villains in Korra went from somewhat interesting conflicted character to cackling madman by the end, which somewhat cheapens the overall impression of the season.
Still, a very strong finisher. Season 2 had Origins two-parter which i felt was on par with ATLA S3 finale, and book 3 of Korra ends with the finale of the same caliber.
Brilliant show, guys.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2014, 06:03:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ntHY6nf.jpg)
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: shingi_70 on August 22, 2014, 09:03:24 AM
The fight between Avatar State Korra and Zaheaar proves how badly the last season finale fight was handled when when we got giant Avatar vs Avatar.
Man those two episodes were amazing, seeing combustion taken out so savage was pretty cool
At the end f the day I've liked all of LOK, its much different from Avatar but in some good ways.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: azeke on August 22, 2014, 12:59:24 PM
As yet another reversal of ATLA finales apart from Aang-Ozai/Zaheer-Korra we had Grey Delisle's character getting killed by lightning while underground surrounded by green crystals.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
They also may have just thought it wasn't that bad.
Somehow, I feel P'Li's death was pretty bad. I mean, blowing your own head off and all...
If the move to digital has allowed the creators to bring us what we've had in this season, then I support it. Ghostly imaging problems and all.
It hasn't, though. Both of them said on the newest Nerdist podcast that we would've had this season and everything in it regardless of the move the digital. They had this entire season mapped out and storyboard (and approved) over a year ago.
It won't even affect Book 4. Book 4 is nearly done with the animation.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2014, 01:50:45 PM
But they also said that moving to digital was "always in the cards"...
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: azeke on August 22, 2014, 02:34:05 PM
Bryke said that move to digital had absolutely nothing (http://www.nerdist.com/pepisode/nerdist-writers-panel-154-legend-of-korraavatar-the-last-airbender/) to do with actual content of the show. And scheduling was also not rushed because of the leaks.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2014, 03:31:26 PM
But they also said that moving to digital was "always in the cards"...
That doesn't mean anything about the content of the show, but just the means of how they broadcast it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
I just find it hard to believe anyone on the show would have thought someone's head literally exploding would have made it to air on Nick.
At some point, someone had to have said either "There is no way this is going to air, let's go digital." or "Since we're already going digital, let's turn this up a notch."
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2014, 05:05:37 PM
Unclebob, I knew about the move to digital before the creators did. It was not the reason whatsoever. Sure it makes sense, but with the information we have it was not possible.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2014, 05:54:24 PM
If you want to know how early they were doing this season, this picture I posted earlier:
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Was posted on Bryan's Tumblr over a year and two months ago. If they planned out the last frame of the finale that long ago, they planned the crazy death of The Earth Queen and P'li even before this.
If this still doesn't convince you, just listen to that podcast episode that's been linked on here like three times already. They explain just about everything in it. Including the inner workings of how little Nick pays attention or cares about the show.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2014, 08:10:30 PM
I'm not sure why that one frame means they had plotted out every single detail.
If the move to digital (which was "always in the cards") did not influence any part of the story, then I'd say the story influenced the move to digital.
There's no way Nick was going to air that scene.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2014, 08:14:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5cLafBr.jpg)
Forget it. I'm done trying to explain it to you.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: UncleBob on August 22, 2014, 08:27:25 PM
Spoiler in the link. http://i.imgur.com/qsCmeZS.png (http://i.imgur.com/qsCmeZS.png)
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2014, 08:33:23 PM
I think her death is the most brutal of the deaths this season.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: broodwars on August 22, 2014, 10:08:13 PM
So yeah, I've seen the Season 3 finale. Goddamn, why did it have to take Korra 3 seasons (and getting pulled from television altogether) to get this good? I'm especially happy with that ending, where Korra is just ****ed...up beyond all belief, contrasted with the birth of a new purpose for the Air Nomads that reminds me more than a little of Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order in the Star Wars expanded universe. It leaves the show in a really interesting position going into the final season.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 23, 2014, 02:16:05 AM
I can not believe how awesome this season of Korra was. I must say, I have enjoyed every season, and it is hard for me to pick a true favorite. Season one had a great villain and spent most of the season building characters. Season 2 focused on really fleshing out the world since the last series. And I believe this season was a great pulling everything together.
I loved the intrigue and action…and I loved the finale and giving the Air Nation a new place in this world. And the mystery of what is truly to become of Korra will be great. I can't wait to see who she is now, and what they will do with her next. I hope that these consequences will have a last effect into next season. She can get better, but if they just magically make her better I will kinda call foul.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season finale Fri, Aug. 22nd]
Post by: Stogi on August 23, 2014, 01:12:41 PM
Amazing season. The end....wow. Revealing the a new airbending master was incredibly heartwarming, especially if you remember this scene from the original series.
(I can't link youtube AND do time placement as well, but check it out. You'll know immediately why the moment was so beautiful.)
A momentous occasion. Aang lost his entire family. His entire way of life. And worse, he blamed himself for it. But now his granddaughter takes up the mantel as the latest airbending master. It's incredibly sweat.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Oblivion on August 29, 2014, 11:15:01 PM
The Legend of Korra fans will be pleased to hear the show’s final season is only a few months away with a Nickelodeon representative telling IGN Book 4 will premiere in Australia in January/February 2015.
Nickelodeon also said Season 3 of the show, titled ‘Book Three: Change’, will premiere sometime in October.
Both seasons will screen on Nickelodeon but will also be made available in full on day one through Foxtel Go and Anytime services, with iTunes following shortly after.
Nickelodeon Australia’s decision to distribute the show through multiple platforms is similar to how the latter half of the show’s third season was distributed in the US via Amazon, Xbox Video, Hulu, Google Play and Nickelodeon’s own on-site streaming service, after the show was abruptly taken off-air mid-season.
A few things to note. If it premeires in Jan/Feb in Australia, its safe to assume that it will be out around the same time for the US. So... January release for Book 4 in the US? Even if it won't release then, the torrents of the Australia broadcast will be available. ;)
The other thing I found interesting is that Australia will be getting the episodes on iTunes, while the US and other regions got the other services mentioned in the article. I wonder if you could trick the service into selling those episodes for other regions?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Oblivion on August 29, 2014, 11:23:10 PM
Oh, and if you want to rewatch the series legally and for free, Nick.com put all the episodes back up for streaming instead of just season 3 like before. Check it out here:
http://www.nick.com/legend-of-korra/episodes/
If you have an Xbox 360, you can download the Nick app and watch them on your TV. On Android or iOS you can also install the app and watch them there.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 07, 2014, 03:28:35 PM
So I just started S3 of Korra.
*Spoilers?*
How is it that the prisoner locked in a mountain with no light, who was not a bender, all of sudden not only discovered that he had the newly acquired ability to bend air, but mastered it in that tiny cell?
it's only been what? a few days since it started happening?
then he also knew exactly where all the other prisoners where held, and managed to free 2 more of them before anyone was alerted that he escaped and freed another prisoner?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on September 07, 2014, 06:35:54 PM
At your point, I always took old boy mastering air bending at face value. I could rationalize it by looking at his mental discipline, but I really didn't care. Ditto with him knowing where everyone is. I figured he interrogated someone or simply guessed where they were depending on their bending type.
Keep watching though as most of your concerns have answers.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on September 07, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
Yeah, it has been established that some people are just natural benders, while other have the ability, but have to work and train hard to be able to do anything worthwhile with it. He was just a natural bender who didn't have the ability to bend for the first years of his life. As for the whole escape business... give it time.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 07, 2014, 08:37:05 PM
"Natural bender" sounds like a euphemism for something.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: nickmitch on September 07, 2014, 10:56:46 PM
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2014, 12:09:50 AM
SO I just finished s3....
why wasn't last season more like this season. I was on edge during most of the final ep, and then when you thought it was all over, it goes and gets all emotional on you.
I thought Korra was about to unlock some blood bending for a minute since the brothers both unlocked lava bending and electricity bending in a time of need.
But seriously, when the Avatar s4 begins, Korra needs to get up on all these new abilities. She may have the ability to do the major 4, but she needs to start mastering all of it.
I was skeptical going into s3, but I think this may have been the best of the 3 so far. I really look forward to s4 now.
and now a question to all of you, I don't know if it has been asked earlier in the thread.
If you could master any of the bending arts, but can only choose one branch till it's end (as Earth Bending seems to split into metal bending or lava bending.... maybe you can do both, I'm not sure) Which element do you choose? What is the end ability you hope to achieve? What would you do with it?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on September 10, 2014, 01:11:09 AM
How is it that the prisoner locked in a mountain with no light, who was not a bender, all of sudden not only discovered that he had the newly acquired ability to bend air, but mastered it in that tiny cell?
Mike and Bryan said in an interview with IGN that Zaheer was a master martial artist before he was a bender. Basically, its like giving Jackie Chan a broom to fight with: he can apply his already vast knowledge of fighting to something new. If you look at his style of airbending, he only used it (with exception to flying) to enhance his jumping or punches or kicks. Tenzin, who is a real master, kicked his ass when they fought and actually fought like an airbender would: by flowing like the wind and using the enemies momentum and power against them.
the brothers both unlocked lava bending and electricity bending in a time of need.
Actually, Mako could already bend lightning. He used it in a power plant in season one and actually got the drop on Amon in the season one finale. Then I believe he used it a few times in season two in different fights. He just hadn't used it in season three up until that fight for an unknown reason.
If you could master any of the bending arts, but can only choose one branch till it's end (as Earth Bending seems to split into metal bending or lava bending.... maybe you can do both, I'm not sure) Which element do you choose? What is the end ability you hope to achieve? What would you do with it?
I used to want to be a firebender. I'd love to be able to wield as that power in my fingertips and be able to manipulate lightning and maybe even combustion energy. Of course, I would use my powers for "good"...
But ever since the season 3 finale I now want to be an airbender for the sole purpose of being able to fly. Its always been a dream (literally) of mine of being able to fly, unassisted, in the air.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on September 10, 2014, 08:46:06 AM
Waterbender. Because, you know, bloodbending. :D
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
I was torn between earth/metal bending and Water/Blood bending.
I would be up to absolutely no good with it, and become the richest most powerful person EVER.
With metal bending, I would of course take it to Omega Mutant levels, and be able to bend precious metals and minerals (Platinum, Gold, Diamond bending).
I'm not sure how far I could take water/blood bending. But ultimate assassin comes to mind. no trace of foul play. Omega level would be like Iceman freezing the water in the air, or pulling from the moisture in the air.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on September 10, 2014, 01:19:20 PM
Metal bending... the idea is that you're bending the impurities in the metal... Not sure how useful that'd be with gold/platinum.
Although, they way the final episode ended, I'm not sure about that whole impurities thing.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on September 10, 2014, 02:55:09 PM
Fire-bending.
Purely from a physics stand point, it is the most powerful. The end level would be able to control the temperature (or energy) of atoms. Meaning, like suffocating someone with air-bending, I could freeze someone by whisking their energy away.
But even cooler, I'd be able to create plasma. Lava...psshh. That's nothing. Take it further, I could create fusion and stars, which could lead to intense gravitational fields and even tiny blackholes.
We literally don't know what Dark Matter or Energy is, but concerning the four disciplines of bending, I'd wager that fire would be able to control it.
/geeky moment
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2014, 03:58:57 PM
Well black holes are created by intense gravitational density, and gravity is determined by mass right? So technically, wouldn't earth bending allow you to create mass, and therefore gravity. And then compress it so hard that it collapsed upon itself to form a black hole?
Similar to it allowing you to make natural diamond sculptures (imagine how much that would be worth)
Now that I think about it, as an earth bender, if you went omega cosmic, you could create planets, direct frozen asteroids to land there and provide water... If all the 4 benders cooperated, they could be Gods of their own creations.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on September 10, 2014, 04:25:23 PM
Yup, an earth bender could probably create a blackhole.
Fire and Earth are probably the two strongest disciplines when taken to the extreme as Earth benders can manipulate matter and Fire can manipulate energy.
Air taken to it's 'omega cosmic' probably has the ability to create fusion as well simply by compressing air to a ridiculous degree. They could make bombs simply by compressing air and then letting it expand.
Water is probably the weakest as you can't really manipulate water too much and not all liquids have water.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on September 10, 2014, 04:51:05 PM
And yet, with my Cosmic-Omega Level Water Bending, I can Bloodbend all y'all in creating blackholes diamond sculptures and livable planets as I see fit. Every move you make will be at my whim..
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on September 10, 2014, 07:44:40 PM
Season 4 premieres October 4th.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2014, 09:22:42 PM
already?
that's quick. Almost Instant gratification on a really good season. That last battle of the finale was like a Man of Steel meets Dragon Ball fight. She really needs to get on mastering the fringe bending arts of the elements though (Blood, Metal, Lava, Flight, Electricity) and since she can control them all, eventually the weather, she could be like Storm meets Jean Grey Phoenix. That would be crazy OP though.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on September 10, 2014, 09:26:24 PM
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 11, 2014, 01:57:25 AM
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Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on September 11, 2014, 02:43:20 AM
New TMNT is good.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 11, 2014, 02:58:39 AM
It depends on what you want.
Air Bending: I like the idea of flight...and for some reason they have split the spiritual side of bending with water and air.
Water Bending: Ice, Water, healing, Blood Bending. All seem quite cool. It does seem to be a more supportive/manipulating element. Though not as much as Air.
Earth: Metal, Lava, Earth all of this is quite powerful and fun. Blunt force element, but can have a very useful and practical side for "normal" living.
Fire: This to me seems to be the most powerful, but has several counters. Lightning is counter by Earth. Fire is countered by water. However, the manipulation of energy is quite interesting.
I would think I would want to be a water or air bender. I am leaning more toward water though. Interesting that Fire and Air are the only bending that you can do without the actual element present.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 11, 2014, 03:06:15 AM
Air is ever present on an earth like planet... with an atmosphere. Fire... I guess is combusting gases in the air as energy is everywhere?
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: broodwars on September 11, 2014, 09:46:49 AM
Indeed. It's the best TMNT show we've ever gotten, not to mention the first one with a decent animation budget. Labeling it "mediocre" alongside the other Nick shows is just a bit extreme.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on September 11, 2014, 11:03:35 AM
2003 TMNT had it's moments too.
I was lucky to catch the episode where all turtles fought Shredder and Raph decapitated him. I couln't believe my eyes, the gall of them. Just for this moment alone they deserved my eternal respect.
Turtles Forever crossover movie that finished that show was also great, they shat all over 80s variants in that one.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 11, 2014, 09:33:43 PM
I thought it was Leo that decapitated him...yes seasons 1 and 2 were good...but they didn't get the turtle designs right. This new turtles show nails everything perfectly, except the design of Shredder, but I can forgive that.
Back to Korra, I can't wait until the new season. But Nick if you want my money please put it on itunes. Otherwise I will watch it another means that will leave you without ad revenue.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: broodwars on September 13, 2014, 01:37:29 AM
Speaking of Nickelodeon's incompetence, I really wonder how today's children manage to watch the new TMNT. Nickelodeon keeps airing 4-5 episodes, putting the show on hiatus for 2 months, and then popping back up on random weeks to air another 4-5 episodes. It just returned today for another 4-5 batches of episodes, and the only reason I knew that was because IGN posted a review of the new episode. I pretty much have to watch this show online because it'd be impossible to follow this show otherwise.
Perhaps it's for the best that Nick is shoving the rest of Korra out the door before the end of the year, with a Season 3 Blu Ray as well in December. At this point, Nick seems determined to kill any good series they have left through sheer managerial incompetence, and I'd rather they just got it over with.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on September 13, 2014, 10:54:55 AM
I don't know about kids, but DVR man. :D
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 16, 2014, 08:39:39 AM
It is old TV mindset that kids don't care about seasons and stories...they just want to watch the cartoons...be it reruns or what not. It is why a good show will be cancelled after 3 seasons or 4 yet will continue to air for another 3-4. Even though the ratings never dropped and they should have just continued making new episodes...they don't.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on September 26, 2014, 04:36:36 PM
Book 4 trailer. Quite a few surprises in it.
At first glance I see...
THREE YEARS LATER Short haired Korra, which was shown off last week. The new villain, Kuvira Korra is going to see some hallucenations The current Fire Lord and Zuko's daughter Seems Earth Kingdom heavy Jinora's new hair Mecha tanks can now firebend Bolin wearing the "bad guys" clothes They are going back to the swamp from Season 2 of A:TLA Katara! TOPH!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on September 27, 2014, 12:43:03 PM
Okay, I've seen the trailer around 20 times already. And every time I get a little teary-eyed. The music, the animation... Its so weird to think that I was ten years old when the first series was announced, and now I'm an (admittedly young) adult at the age of 20, about to see the final season of what could be the last thing we ever get of the Avatar franchise. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on September 27, 2014, 01:34:50 PM
That seems like an awfully painful way for someone to cut their own hair...
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on September 27, 2014, 03:49:58 PM
Zuko and Iroh did it first. ;)
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Ceric on September 27, 2014, 07:09:56 PM
I wish Nick would just cut a deal with Netflix, Amazon Prime, or even Hulu...
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 03, 2014, 06:09:57 AM
Surprised that it wasn't a two part season premiere, but still a solid episode.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on October 03, 2014, 06:19:32 AM
They're not very subtle with Kuvira Hitler thing are they?
It's just kinda sudden. Granted we didn't knew her character for what little scenes she had in book 3, but still. Where is that power hunger coming from.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 03, 2014, 01:04:22 PM
They're not very subtle with Kuvira Hitler thing are they?
It's just kinda sudden. Granted we didn't knew her character for what little scenes she had in book 3, but still. Where is that power hunger coming from.
Its one episode and we have three years of history to catch up with. Its obvious that we're going to have a flashback episode explaining what went down between the Metal Clan.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 05, 2014, 09:46:53 PM
Actually I got a very Mao vibe not Hitler. She is actually trying very hard to unify and save a country that is falling apart. She is evil, but there is good intentions in her perhaps.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 05, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
Actually I got a very Mao vibe not Hitler. She is actually trying very hard to unify and save a country that is falling apart. She is evil, but there is good intentions in her perhaps.
Did Hitler try to do the same thing before the whole killing everyone thing? Sorry, I'm an AMerican. I don't know much about European history.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on October 05, 2014, 10:57:41 PM
Actually I got a very Mao vibe not Hitler. She is actually trying very hard to unify and save a country that is falling apart. She is evil, but there is good intentions in her perhaps.
I can totally side with trying to bring peace to country in chaos.
I just don't like that "Great Uniter" crap.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 06, 2014, 02:22:05 AM
Yes. Agree Azeke which is why I think she is a Mao type character. Mao is actually known for bringing a country back together after war and poverty was destroying it. He offered security and stability...but eventually he went mad with his dictatorship.
This to me feels more like what is happening than comparing it to Hitler. I am not saying the character is good. I am saying there is depth to this villain and it isn't just simple evil. It has been a great theme of Korra from season one that the villains are not just pure evil, but have a philosophy and a pursuit...they are 3 dimensional and that is great.
Personally, I loved this episode. It felt much like last seasons opening giving us a look into a new world. Time has settled the initial problems of spirits and Republic City...there still may be issues but for the most part people have moved on. Characters had to grow up and grow apart some. Korra was the glue that held people together, and now she is gone.
I also am curious what long term lasting effects the poison had on Korra...or if she is just tired of being the Avatar. I mean if you disappear nobody can blame you or try to kill you.
Just like in season 2. "You don't have to be the Avatar." "Yes, I do." "Umm, no you don't." "Yes, I do." "No, you don't." Looks like maybe she doesn't.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on October 06, 2014, 02:30:40 AM
One of the my personal problems with Korra as the show is that it feels very small in scope. Season 1-2 were mostly in Republic City, and i really appreciated how season 3 ventured a bit into Zao Fu -- new interesting location.
Show me modern Fire Nation, dammit! I want to see new locations and stuff.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 06, 2014, 03:51:46 AM
That is a fair complaint. Where the first story is a grand adventure representing a child becoming an adult.
I think this story is more of a the child/adult seeing the world is not as black and white as one hoped. And the battles are not as easily distinguished as good and evil, right and wrong.
To do these stories you have to focus less on locations and more on people. That said. Book1 was Republic City...new location. Book 2 was Water Nations (New Location) Book 3 was Earth Kingdom (New Location) Book 4 will probably show us the fire Nation...and this is interesting to me the most because all of the kingdoms have been showing there is really little need for an Avatar. Like the world has grown up to find balance within itself.
If the Avatar cycle isn't completely done away with at the end of this season, I would love to see a world jump to the next Harmonic Convergience and see what happens with a world which really forgot about the Avatar keeping balance, truly needs that balance again.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on October 14, 2014, 04:29:19 PM
UHHHH NO ONE is talking about that last episode, "Korra Alone"?!
**** it. I'm not gonna say anything either.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 14, 2014, 04:37:28 PM
I have the 1st 2 eps, U just haven't watched them yet. So I have nothing to say about any of it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 14, 2014, 05:18:24 PM
IT WAS FUCKING AMAZING HNNG
Better? :P
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 15, 2014, 12:38:11 AM
I liked the episode, but the first 2 episodes were world building and catching people up. I really like the villain so far, I like the idea of the world seeming to work without an Avatar...the world is creating its own balance. Hopefully, the 3rd episode moves us forward more and really helps us see the vision of this season.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on October 15, 2014, 12:59:45 AM
2nd episode was meh.
They only have 10-12 episodes and they waste an entire episode showing Korra just roaming around pointlessly. She barely even interacts with anyone.
If they wanted to do second "Zuko alone" -- that didn't work. "Zuko alone" actually told some new stuff. This one only teased that we might get some new stuff in the next episode. Maybe.
The only good part were cutesy spirits.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 15, 2014, 01:13:45 AM
The episode was filler...and it was pretty clever in some ways. It told us, that Korra can now move. She is still able to bend all elements...however she seems to be quite a bit weaker at them. It told us, she can't use the Avatar State. It kinda gave us hints how team Avatar drifted apart and why/how Bolin started working with the "big bad." There was a lot of information given to us this episode, but you are right very little progression in story. I think they could have told parts of this story in episode one and saved the reveal of the villain for episode 2. Also, why not show us an air nation defense win instead of a loss? At least that way, episode 2 could have had more progress.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 15, 2014, 12:12:40 PM
The episode is not filler if it does what you explain above. Filler does nothing for the plot of the show, of the character development of the... characters. Just because there was no progress in the plot, does not mean that it is filler.
Especially when we have no idea how the story is going to go and how important the episode is for the season.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on October 15, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Explaining why something happened and showing how something is happening is the exact opposite of filler.
This episode was phenomenal. Every scene had a point, detailing Korra's struggle and pursuit to become whole again. It was wonderfully crafted from beginning to end. There wasn't one wasted scene. In fact, it might be the best episode I've seen since the first Avatar episodes (the Raava episodes).
This is why I love Avatar. They provided us with the emotional state of the character and this is incredibly important when it comes to story telling. Whenever we see Korra from now on, we will realize just how hard it is for her and empathize with her frustration and fear of becoming obsolete. And so when she eventually becomes whole again, it will mean that much more to us.
So filler this was not. This episode, in contrast to the first, was not exposition and I really enjoyed it for that.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 15, 2014, 06:37:39 PM
Explaining why something happened and showing how something is happening is the exact opposite of filler.
Exactly. This "filler lol" bullshit that goes on in this fandom pisses me off the no end. So many people bitched about "filler" in the original show when the only episode that qualified was "The Great Divide".
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 15, 2014, 07:43:37 PM
To be fair the original show did have episodes that were less important. However, the first series was a much longer season, and the emphasis was on exploration and the journey into adulthood. So, the longer seasons and detours were more acceptable and I would say important for the story.
That said, you are kidding yourself, if you think the same basic Avatar story couldn't have been told in 3 seasons with 13 episodes each. It wouldn't be the same, and sure it would be lacking some elements, but it could still be highly emotional deep and explore the entire world of Avatar...I mean look Korra has done a wonderful job of doing it. With far less episodes, I believe Korra has already surpassed the original series in storytelling.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 15, 2014, 09:06:10 PM
I must be kidding myself, because I firmly believe that it would not be the same.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 15, 2014, 10:04:35 PM
Sorry, the your kidding yourself is/was harsh.
I guess all I am really saying is 13 episodes is a lot of time to tell a story Its over 4 hours of content. But since they are broken down into mini-segments or mini-stories to a bigger story...you don't have to worry so much about transitions and pacing like a movie does. So, it allows you to take several shortcuts in storytelling and tell a bigger story quicker and easier. Korra has proven that the scope of the series does not have to be limited by the episode count.
Am I saying that episodes of the original series were bad, or needed to be cut? No not really. The creators did a great keeping the momentum of the story going even with long seasons, which can sometimes bog down a story. However, the story could have been told tighter, and could still be just as powerful and meaningful.
Would I have wanted the original series to be fewer episodes? Probably not. But I also wouldn't want Korra to be 24 episodes long a season. Perhaps 16...but not more than that.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: broodwars on October 16, 2014, 01:53:55 AM
With far less episodes, I believe Korra has already surpassed the original series in storytelling.
Eh...I don't know about that, man. There was a lot of love triangle filler and "idiot plot" in the second season (not to mention the complete lack of consequence for Korra losing her bending at the end of Season 1, only to get it back 5 seconds later) that makes it hard for me to say Korra surpasses TLA in terms of storytelling. Sure, aspects of Season 1 were excellent, and Season 3 as a whole was very good, but in terms of storytelling I find Korra a great deal more inconsistent than TLA.
As for this season...eh, I'm reserving my judgement on it till we see more episodes. I'm really not fond of how transparently evil Kuvira is already seeming to be, so much that it wouldn't surprise me if she was behind the bandit raids on the various Earth Kingdom states to force them to join her. I realize it's odd to say that given how overwhelmingly evil Fire Lord Ozai was in the original series, but Ozai also had 3 seasons of build-up behind him. Kuvira just reminds me of Unalok from the 2nd season, a rather pathetic villain who just appeared out of nowhere; was increasingly boring to watch; and was only a threat because everyone around them was an idiot.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 16, 2014, 02:28:35 AM
Well, to be fair, they had NO idea that they would be renewed the first season. You have to complete the season. And actually, I thought season 2 did a pretty good job of telling the love story pretty quickly and getting over it. You have to remember that is a part of growing up...and actually most of the love triangle stuff was really first season. Second season dropped it quickly.
People may not have liked the direction the second season went...but I think that season was the start of showing the world as a bigger place, that has begun adjusting without an Avatar and raised the questions whether or nor the world needs an Avatar. Showed us a new world and history for the Avatar. And basically showing that right and wrong isn't as easy to determine anymore...and each season past has continued that trend.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 16, 2014, 02:46:59 AM
The situation with Season 2 was the same with Season 1: they did not know that they were getting a third and fourth season when they made it. As bad as people like to say Book 2 is, I can still slightly forgive it for some of its faults.
Spak, the love triangle stuff wasn't actually dropped until Season 3. Even until the last few episodes of season 2, you had Mako going back to Asami, lying to Korra about their fight, and breaking Asami's heart (again).
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 16, 2014, 03:16:21 AM
Maybe I just don't remember all of season 2. But, I never found that element of the story distracting...but I guess at the same time it wasn't memorable either. So good point.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 16, 2014, 01:38:04 PM
Oh, I completely agree with you. At the time I was frustrated with the love triangle stuff, but now that we are getting more of the entire story under our belts, I don't find it distracting from the main plot at all. In fact, on rewatch, I actually find some of it fairly engaging.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 18, 2014, 11:41:01 PM
finally watched the 1st 3 eps.
Is this getting another season, or is this the last one? and Toph calling Korra out on her self pity was great. PTSD ain't no joke though, and Korra got it bad. But atleast she now has a goal. An definitive obstacle to overcome, but after that, there truly are not other excuses other than how Toph already explained it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 19, 2014, 08:55:18 PM
This is the last season.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on October 19, 2014, 10:47:45 PM
The last episode was pawful as a whole but had Toph, so it was still enjoyable when she was on screen. It was such a throw away episode, with things turning out the way we easily predicted but still lacking any sort of energy. Why was it so easy for Kuvira to dismiss the King? Wouldn't someone be upset and try to stop her? This was a perfect opportunity to show how ruthless she could be, but instead everyone seemed to know it was going to happen beforehand because no one was shocked. All of those conversations, Bolin and Mako, Kuvira and the leader of Metal City, could have gone down in a battle/coup de tat scenario. It would have created drama and intrigue, but we're given the Hotel scenes, which were awful.
And last but not least, that bit about Kuvira taking the President's suite was the worst bit of foreshadowing I have ever seen.
It's crazy how 'Korra Alone' was a perfect episode of storytelling and this one was a mess.
And why are the Earth Kingdom rulers always getting overthrown? This is the third time in a generation. That's pathetic.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 19, 2014, 11:03:32 PM
Kuvira was not the problem of this episode. The reason it was so easy to dethrone the king is he is a brat. This is exactly how dictators often come to power. They overthrow the corrupt establishment and bring balance and order. She first brought the balance and the order in such a powerful way nobody dared stand up to her, and she brought enough stability to the masses that they gladly cheered her coming to power instead of another royalty that would probably tax the people to live out of luxury. What happened there was very realistic.
As for no retaliation her surprise announcement caught the Republic and the other nations by surprise...they had no time to respond...but I believe we will get to that soon next episode.
If Kuvira should how cruel she could be on TV and to the general masses she could have lost her public support...she still wants to be seen as a leader for the people.
What is frustrating to me is the Toph stuff was excellent but has no resolution. Hopefully this is not all we get of her. Because her being the wise but hard teacher is always fun. I wish she could have just pulled the poison out of Korra and moved on. There is still much story to be told.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on October 19, 2014, 11:15:08 PM
I didn't say 'cruel', I said 'ruthless' and that's exactly what she is and that's exactly why it should have been shown to the masses given the timing of her coup and her very ruthless speech. It was not realistic at all. Sure the King is a brat, but he is still the King. Loyalty should have come into play, and not in a heated argument. Someone should have yelled "What the hell are you doing?" Instead, we debate the philosophical ramifications of Kuvira's actions afterwards rather than diving into the actual consequences.
Yes, she is loved. And yes, it should be easy for her to take over considering how much support she has, but no one speaking out against what is a crime is simply weird and made the episode lack any real significance. If the Republic and other nations were surprised, no one showed it.
This episode was a mess.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2014, 12:24:52 AM
ruthless and cruel are often viewed as the same. Even if I messed up the adjective, my point still stands. And yes it is fairly realistic. He is a king by title only. The last queen had basically enslaved her people for her own wealth, and when overthrown the boy king went into hiding in another country, while the entire kingdom fell into anarchy. One single person fought to regain order for the people. Kuriva. Yes, she did so ruthlessly. Yes, she forced loyalty...but with that loyalty the leaders lost power...the people gained security and food. The people would rally to her. The king...not so much. He is out of touch...nobody wants him.
As for the episode being good...I already stated I thought it did not advance the plot far enough and therefore isn't my favorite. I just think the problems with the episode lay elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on October 20, 2014, 02:37:05 AM
Ok, maybe we're looking at this wrong. Let's take this for what it is, a story. And in a story, actions have consequences. So even if this is "realistic", this story would have benefited with a reaction that was not as muted and tempered as the one they portrayed. It would have been better if there was a fight for power, however small it may have been, for two reasons. One, it would have provided the perfect setting for the conversations that followed, such as Bolin and Mako splitting on what is right and two, it would have riled the 'Earth Empire' towards Kuvira; seeing her fight against loyalists to an outdated system and an unworthy ruler as well as a foreign government partaking in a sovereign nation's politics. It would have added emotion, energy, and empathy towards Kuvira that is very much needed. Because as of now, Kuvira is completely one-sided. We have seen her pray on her own people, so it would have been significant if she fought for them in front of the eyes of the world.
It would have also put more urgency into Korra's recovery and the Metal's City response. Plot lines would have the necessary weight to move forward quickly. And lastly, from an entertainment aspect, it would have been interesting!
Again, this is a story. And that is why to me the best moment of the episode was Toph getting to the heart of Korra's issue. You see a plot device that is moving to slowly (e.g. you wish Toph would have just healed her already), while I see a story progressing naturally.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2014, 03:36:34 AM
I understand your concern. And I think there were reactions. Scene in the debate between the two brothers.
But there were 2 stories going on this episode...and I guess I am waiting for the next episode to the see the weight of what happens with Kuvira...but I think it will come. But bureaucracy often times acts too slowly...and allows very bad things to happen. (Hilter being a great example of that.)
I understand the story progression and story arc happening with Korra...and I understand that PTSD or whatever Korra is going through is quite serious. But they are giving her too much of an easy out with it just being poison...it is going to be an easy fix once she "gets over herself" which I think will allow for a super quick, nope I am back recovery. I think discovering the root of her problem, but Toph getting the metal out...and the PTSD still remaining would be a better story arc. Korra can begin healing and reconnecting to the Avatar State, but she still must deal with the emotional scars. This girl has been through hell in what could be seen as a relatively small amount of time. Not only that recover has been slow. Yet, this is the first time we have seen her really dealing with those scars and it may all just be poison still in her body.
I know I am being too harsh on it...or it sounds like I am critical of the show, which I love. But honestly, this part of the Korra story could have been put in episode 2, and they could have had a single Kuriva episode for the 3rd episode providing better pacing and impact for both.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on October 20, 2014, 03:30:13 PM
Well...at least we agree that the episode needed work!
I guess let's speculate. What the hell is Varrick doing with the spirit vine? Not sure what powers it has other than linking things together. I'm not sure why Kuriiva would want such a thing other than for spying.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 20, 2014, 07:34:27 PM
I have a theory...that the end of Avatar there will be no Avatar. That Korra will release the spirit to help harmonize the world without the Avatar.
So why could that happen? Perhaps balance is met through all the Elements being together again...or balance is created by everyone being able to be the Avatar...or have access to all the Elements...after all Spirits gave the powers to man.
Or my final guess which I think is most possible. Bending leaves the world all together.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on October 31, 2014, 06:27:25 AM
God damn finally **** is picking up
Still, the animation seems like such a downgrade from the last season and especially season one. I sure fucking hope that they're saving the majority of their animation budget for the finale because its been mostly ugly as all hell. I'd say its almost, if not worse, than the first half of season two.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on November 07, 2014, 03:39:40 AM
Episode 6 SPOILERS AHEAD
*sigh*
Even lower downgrade in animation, predictable episode, extremely sub-par fight scene broken up between (admittedly good) Varrick scenes. Scenes that should have given me chills or made me feel any sort of emotion felt dry and emotion-less. If this is what we get for getting the season a month after the end of the previous one, I would have been glad waiting a year. All we're getting a rushed, safe, sub-par product that will probably end in a very ho-hum fashion.
And that is my fear with the finale of Korra. I'm not worried that it will suck, I'm worried that they will play it safe like they've done this whole season.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 07, 2014, 10:54:30 AM
I think the problem is…last season felt like the climax of the story, and this story feels like epilogue. I feel like I know exactly what story they are telling and where it is going.
I watched the episode twice, and I have to disagree with you. I loved the fight scene. It is actually quite brutal in its efficiency. I love that Korra is fighting a flashy old school style and Kovira is fighting more street style, ruthless aggressive smart. And there are little moves that you could accidentally miss the first time watching.
However, I will agree that this episode felt flat and predictable. It felt like the typical show the hero lose to the big bad villain to show the villain is a real threat. What is kinda annoying about this…is Korra has never really done this type of storytelling so blatantly before. Even the air benders had no emotion or shock when Korra lost.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: shingi_70 on November 07, 2014, 11:20:12 AM
Isn't the problem is that the story of Korra would be better positioned if the books were rearranged in different order.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on November 07, 2014, 01:17:19 PM
Isn't the problem is that the story of Korra would be better positioned if the books were rearranged in different order.
I disagree, but this isn't where Korra is failing. It is failing on a technical level, an emotional level, and (in my opinion) an action level. They have three more episodes to set up a finale (if they do a four-part finale) and it's been incredibly slow so far. If you compare where the show was at at this time last season, a bunch of **** was going on. This? Nada. I really hope that they've been saving up their budget and their creative juices for the finale, but I doubt it.
It's pretty bad when the show's biggest apologetic (me) is starting to dislike it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 08, 2014, 12:06:05 AM
It has been slow. But this is a very simple problem actually. It is a one person dictator slowly taking over a country. Actually the Avatar could easily stop this. The question is should she?
This is the point of this season…it is more an internal battle which the creators have been slowly building up to…which is also why I feel this season as a whole is the resolution not climax of the Korra story. It is also why emotionally it feels weaker, because we know where this is heading.
Korra is literally the last Avatar. I think she sees herself no different than Kovira if she acts to make the world as she sees fit. She has spent her entire life fighting, because she is "more special" than everyone else…but what true balance does a single person provide, except the need for another dictatorship. The Avatar sets the rules. Well, no more. Korra is going to end the Avatar cycle. And that is a very personal journey.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: broodwars on November 08, 2014, 03:49:06 AM
I just finished watching the latest episode and honestly...I'm not feeling this season. I agree with Spak that there's just something really flat about both the animation and the way this season's story is being told: there are no surprises or compelling drama. The story is playing out pretty much exactly as you think it would, and I'm already bored just waiting for the characters to get on with it.
As for the animation, it's been a problem all season, but the Korra-Kuvira fight was missing a certain "snap" to the animation. I suspect the biggest casualty of Nickelodeon abandoning this series is that money and time got cut short in the editing room. Bruce Timm was notorious in the DC Animated Universe for taking sub-par animation from the overseas teams and re-timing it in the editing room (or sending it back for re-dos) because a punch or kick felt "weak." The animation feels really sluggish and limp, and not in a deliberate way for emphasis. I suspect that's something that would ordinarily have been fixed, but with the rest of the show being fast-tracked out the door there just isn't the time. It just makes the show boring to watch, so I hope both the writers and the storyboarders/animators really stepped up their game for the remaining episodes because this season's been pretty lame compared to Season 3.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on November 08, 2014, 04:46:58 AM
Again, the show was never intended to be "cut" and sent to the internet to die. Take with it what you will, but the animation was going to look like this whether or not the move to online ever happened. My only hope is that they've been saving up their budget for a truly amazing looking finale.
I just wish they'd get the same budget they had in season one. I mean, look at this:
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on November 21, 2014, 08:41:05 AM
I don't care if Mike & Bryan claim that their budgets got cut and they had to do a clip show episode, this season has been some of the worst **** I've seen in a long time. The way this season has gone, there has been no good episode since the premiere and season four's only worth will probably be the finale (if that). This has gone beyond the shitty characterization of Season 2: at least then **** was actually going on. This is just boring and stupid.
What a disappointing fucking run for what is going to be the last Avatar show for a long time.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on November 21, 2014, 10:42:21 AM
First two parts were stupid.
The last clip show with Varrick was brilliant and awesome with him going completely off rails like in MST3K episode.
They shat all over season 2, too!
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on November 21, 2014, 07:26:58 PM
Haven't watched the latest episode but 'Korra Alone' is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 22, 2014, 04:56:17 AM
Well, this episode was a clip show. It was a reminder of everything that happened and it was nice. It reminded me of the clip show episode from the original series, right before the series finale, both episodes were light and cute but felt extremely out of place and pointless.
The problem is that this story is basically really simple. But it is the internal struggle that is supposed to building throughout this season and I like what they are doing. I really do. But, I hope that this episode means we are going into full on finale story next.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on November 24, 2014, 09:34:57 AM
I liked it but I wish it made more fun of itself like Varricks rendition.
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Post by: ObbyDent on November 28, 2014, 03:39:47 AM
Pretty damn good episode, probably the best along with the one right before the clip episode and Korra Alone. About time we got to see an actually decent villain (I'm looking at you, Kuvira) again out of their season.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on December 05, 2014, 04:44:38 AM
Another solid episode, probably the first episode of the season that I have no gripes with. The fight between Su and Kuvira is probably one of my favorite fights in the series, second only to the Tenzin and Zaheer fight last season. Both of these fights have top-notch and tight choreography.
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Post by: Stogi on December 05, 2014, 11:24:04 AM
Definitely a good episode. it matched the intensity of the previous season.
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Post by: ObbyDent on December 12, 2014, 10:35:15 AM
A pretty good episode ignoring the fucking awful fart joke. Also, despite the fact that I think ending the show with a giant mech is pretty stupid, I love the design of it and how it's piloted with metalbending.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on December 12, 2014, 11:02:15 AM
Budget cuts got too apparent with that walking tin can... And they brought so many characters back and they had like no lines (Bumi, Iroh had just two phrases).
I really hope they're not going to do giant spirit Korra all over again...
Neat Tahno kameo though.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on December 13, 2014, 11:10:13 AM
I thought the budget cuts were far more obvious with the parallax still scenes with Wu and Pema.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on December 19, 2014, 01:10:44 AM
Wow... they actually did it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on December 19, 2014, 02:22:20 AM
If you're alluding to what I think you're alluding to, then yeah...they did.
Niiiiiiiiiiiccccccccccceeeee.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on December 19, 2014, 02:32:55 AM
Me in the final ending shot: (http://i.imgur.com/ByXWC3I.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/Fz4mhdg.gif)
Also i really, REALLY liked party outfits of everyone in the end. Gorgeous fashion all around, everyone looked bitching.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: broodwars on December 19, 2014, 03:32:18 AM
I just watched the finale, myself. Overall, a good 2-parter to cap off what was otherwise a pretty average & predictable season. There were some really nice moments towards the end.
As for the finale sequence of the episode...yeah, I had a feeling they were going there with how much screen time those 2 characters kept having this season.
As for Korra overall, now that the series is over I can say that it was decent, but it's a show that never really seemed to reach its potential. Frankly, even the leads in this show are paper-thin, with little to no character development over the course of the series outside Korra herself (seriously, name one notable character trait about Asami besides the fact that she fixes/builds stuff). One of the most disappointing things about Seasons 3 & 4 is that it felt like the creators were trying to finally reveal some depth to the characters, but they just didn't have the episode count to pull it off. The writing was incredibly inconsistent, with moments of brilliance dotting large periods of mediocrity (and some long periods of just plain BAD writing in the 2nd & 4th seasons) for the vast majority of the series. It certainly didn't help that from Season 3 onward it felt like Nick was deliberately trying to sabotage the series, between leaked episodes; slashed budgets; and the series going online-only.
Overall, I did like the series, but imagine what we could have had had the show had a consistent plan from the beginning and a similar episode count to Avatar: TLA.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on December 19, 2014, 05:00:38 AM
Also i really, REALLY liked party outfits of everyone in the end. Gorgeous fashion all around, everyone looked bitching.
Except for Opal. Bitch was still wearing her airbender outfit.
If anyone cares, I'll have a short write up of the entire series tomorrow. I want to sleep on the ending and digest the show before I talk about how good (or bad) the show ended up being. Korra as a whole is a very interesting beast to tackle.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on December 19, 2014, 08:15:21 AM
At first I was going to make this about the whole series, but I'll just focus on the **** storm the ending is causing.
Ahem...
To 'The Legend of Korra',
You should NOT apologize. Why? Because despite what some might say, you have nothing to apologize for.
Very rarely do I come across a show that displays a world that is as spirited and accomplished as yours, and it’s a testament that despite Nick’s mismanagement, to put it lightly, you ended as well as you did. And I, as a long time fan, want to thank you for the many hours of entertainment and the chance to partake in something so wonderfully creative.
That said, there is going to be a lot of divisiveness regarding the ending of your series, mainly the hint that Korra and her friend Asami may pursue a lesbian relationship. Now I’m not here to say if it was the right or wrong decision. My opinion is not what I want to address. Regardless of how I feel, the reason you have nothing to apologize for is because of how you achieved your denouement.
You see, this is a matter of good writing. If you simply shoved Korra and Asami together and said they’re a couple, I could empathize with people for feeling angry and confused. In fact, I would be right there with them. But you didn’t. You gradually drew the lines and erased the space between them, slowly developing their compatibility until it crescendoed into intimacy. Taken chronologically, Korra and Asami were at first very dismissive of each other. They both liked Mako and they both knew it; forming an impasse and fracturing their relationship. But as time moved on, you had them fight together, learning to trust each other despite their schism. Then you ended the love triangle with Mako, and cut him out of the picture completely. Realizing just how petty and childish it all was, this pressed the dirt that allowed their friendship to blossom. Later, when Korra was badly injured, it was Asami who looked after her, epitomizing their compassion for one another. You then had Korra write Asami and no one else during her long recovery, exemplifying how close they became. And finally, you illustrated just how important they are to one another when they decided to embark on an adventure alone. But even then you showed glances of trepidation, as they both knew where this might lead, yet courage to move forward. This is how you write for your characters. Whether they pursue an intimate relationship or not, it feels legitimate.
If people are angry and shocked, criticize your decision, or try to use this as a tool or an example, good and bad, then so be it. Just realize, you have nothing to apologize for.
A fan, Hypotheliciously
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on December 19, 2014, 12:45:51 PM
Not happy with the ending for a single reason... The ending was purposely left just ambiguous enough that Nick/whomever could wave it off. "Oh, they're just really good friends going on an adventure together."
If they were going to do the thing, they should have just done the thing. Not half-assed it in a way that lets them double-talk out of it to upset soccer moms.
Title: My opinion of the finale and the entire show
Post by: ObbyDent on December 19, 2014, 02:22:42 PM
To be honest, I'm getting sick of people arguing for or against the ending with the two of them. There's far more to be discussed with the ending that is far more important than whether or not the two female leads are in lesbians with each other. Don't get me wrong, I'm incredibly surprised and happy that we are getting to the point where we can have these kinds of characters in an American cartoon, but it's overshadowing every other aspect of the finale that wasn't great... at all.
The entirety of Book 4 is basically an epilogue to the story that ended in Book 3. He character development into being a great Avatar ended in that season. Her development that we got in Book 4 was her coming to terms with the loss that she endured at the end of the previous season. Is that a good way to go about it? Sure! I love that they decided to tackle this sort of thing after a big battle when most TV shows don't seem to do that. However, it should not have been the last season that they did this in.
Because of that, Book 4 finale ended up being absolutely nothing. There was nothing being said about anything. We got no closure on absolutely anything or anyone besides a few of the minor characters. There was no emotional payoff near the end. I feel like The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies is basically what I feel about the finale: devoid of emotion and ultimately about nothing.
Hell, even Asami, who had spotlight in the finale due to their presumed (?) relationship together, was a useless character if we ignore her as a tool for Korra as a relationship. Outside of Book 1, she was delegated to the background, here and there and but never "part of the group". Even during the last season she hardly appeared -- and when she did, it was to settle her daddy issues. Until the ending of the show, the point of her character was to be the woman with the boy trouble; either with Mako or her father.
Now, Kuvira. Oh man Kuvira. An awful, awful villain. She was basically Ozai but without the three seasons of buildup to her. Now, the ending conversation Korra and Kuvira had was cool: it showed Korra's difference in character after Book 3 and I like that. However, it also completely devolved Kuvira into a non-issue. She turned into this sniveling baby that just wanted her mama again. It was akin to shoving a sock into Zaheer's mouth.
Which brings me to the issue of all the "kid" stuff in Korra. Surprisingly, despite how much more adult the show seems, it has more moments of it being a "kid" show than Avatar ever had. Many more fart jokes, more moments of ruining a villain's character for the sake of a laugh or lack of depth, etc. It's interesting, because while we got all of that, we also had the well-written deaths of Amon and the Red Lotus, and of course the finale.
All in all, I fully enjoy Korra. It had a lot more "highs" for me as a TV show. However, as a complete package, it felt disjointed and not as well put together as its predecessor. I completely understand why, due to how it was expanded from a 12 episode series. I still don't think I should forgive it for its many issues, however.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Stogi on December 19, 2014, 02:56:23 PM
Producing a new villain each season is complicated work. But I think they accomplished what they set out to do, and that was show how the world and the Avatar evolved. They may have tried too much because as writers, you could tell they had several ideas on how to move forward, but with shaky management, didn't know if they could produce them all. So they tried and hit several plot points: anti-benders, evil avatar, anarchist regime, and a tyrant (and homosexuality). And through that lens, I thought the show was a success.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on December 19, 2014, 03:17:07 PM
The one thing that Korra excelled at over Avatar was the absolutely amazing soundtrack. Serious, Jeremy Zuckerman deserves a fucking award for the work he's done. **** Nick for not releasing a soundtrack past season 1. Here's the ending cue to Korra, straight from Zuckerman's Soundcloud.
Not happy with the ending for a single reason... The ending was purposely left just ambiguous enough that Nick/whomever could wave it off. "Oh, they're just really good friends going on an adventure together."
If they were going to do the thing, they should have just done the thing. Not half-assed it in a way that lets them double-talk out of it to upset soccer moms.
This is where I disagree. You don't have to beat somebody over the head with "reveal." Let people discover it themselves, or not. It makes the ending more classy, and allows adults to get something different, than kids will get from it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on December 20, 2014, 05:15:46 PM
This is where I disagree. You don't have to beat somebody over the head with "reveal." Let people discover it themselves, or not. It makes the ending more classy, and allows adults to get something different, than kids will get from it.
If I honestly thought they were going for the more artsy direction, then I'd be inclined to agree with you. But my gut instinct (which I tend to go with) is that it was done as a "Get out of Jail Free" card... which just reeks of them being afraid of backlash.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 20, 2014, 05:43:45 PM
Which Unclebob, I beilieve is an intelligent, and wise. The issue of homosexuality in America is devisive. Korra may be a progressive cartoon, but it is still a cartoon that can influence kids. It is best to tell your story in a way that respects all views and concerns, because of the potential target audience.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on December 20, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
Except the show wasn't respectful. The show was full of some pretty nasty violence (head explosion and all).
Why is it that violence is something we're so completely free with, but love is something we aren't allowed to talk about on a show because it has a target audience of children?
I just disagree with it. If they wanted to avoid it, I feel they should have avoided it - but doing it half way just felt cheap to me.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on December 20, 2014, 07:04:35 PM
I think you are misplacing your frustration here. Blame the insane culture that we have in America and not two guys trying their best with what they have.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: UncleBob on December 20, 2014, 07:27:13 PM
There's plenty of blame to go around, don't worry. :)
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on December 22, 2014, 01:51:51 AM
A dear friend of mine had this to say about the finale of Korra and what it means for her family. It's a fantastic read and really proves what makes The Legend of Korra such a fantastic show. Maybe this might change your view of the ending, Unclebob, to something that is far less "lazy" than you seem to think?
For her and the rest of my friends who are more personally affected by the ending, the ending is everything they could have hoped for and a step in the right direction. Mike and Bryan are probably the last people you want to put any sort of blame on.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2015, 07:25:03 PM
Okie-dokes, I finished both Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra, but I don't feel like splitting this post between the TV thread and this one so I'll discuss both of them here. I didn't read through this thread so if I write something here you disagree with, it's nothing personal. I'm also forgoing spoiler tags.
Avatar: The Last Airbender I think collectively it's the better of the two though I still feel like they're really difficult to compare which I'll get to later. In the first season, it was pretty clear that the writers had a story arc in mind. Aang had until the next summer to defeat Fire Lord Ozai before Sozin's Comet passes close enough to Earth for the Fire Nation to **** things up. It was appropriately three seasons long and even then, there were a few filler episodes that could have been cut or the one or two important bits could have been combined into other episodes. Still, having a set arc and knowing where to take these characters made the show feel more cohesive as opposed to each season being a separate arc like The Legend of Korra.
Book One: Water is probably the weakest season, but I don't want to be too hard on it. They have to introduce the characters and the world, and naturally that takes time. There's no way around that. Origin stories are a necessary evil. It's difficult to make exposition interesting.
Book Two: Earth was easily the best season across both shows. It isn't even that close either. Besides being able to jump right into the story, Toph Motherfucking Beifong was introduced. She was by far the best character in either show. She made every scene that much better by being in it. I liked the show enough before Toph showed up, but her character is so excellent that I had trouble not watching the next episode. I liked the other characters too (probably Aang the least); they just aren't as awesome as Toph.
Additionally, Azula was a better season villain than Zuko, partly because I expected him to end up being good which totally happened. The writers weren't really shy about hinting at it either. The trajectory of Azula's character was harder to predict and the show benefited from that. I didn't really buy her descent into complete psychosis by the end. It happened too fast. She seemed more sociopathic than full-on crazy.
If I didn't already know there was a third season, I probably would have been more surprised by the complete Empire Strikes Back-esque season finale with the good guys losing. Still, that was such an awesome finale to a really strong season. The weak link was probably the three or four episodes Appa was kidnapped and Aang kind of broke character. I get being upset, but he became downright belligerent and annoying. It's forgivable because something something Toph something.
Book Three: Fire started very slowly. There was a lot of filler at the beginning of that season. That beach episode was particularly weak. There were some funny moments and minor character stuff (albeit involving characters who aren't that important, Ty Lee and Mai). Besides the Combustion Man part, it's mostly filler. The bloodbending episode was cool, but there was no payoff for it. Katara almost bloodbends the man who killed her and Sokka's mother then just walks away. I understand the importance of Katara choosing not to kill someone, but she didn't need to learn an entire advanced skill of waterbending to get to that point. It just seemed like the writers needed to pad the season because they didn't have enough story for a full 20-something episode season. It was a good episode, just kind of pointless in the grand scheme of the show.
The season picks up considerably when Team Avatar fails again during the solar eclipse. Obviously, they were going to fail (since it was in the middle of the last season), but that was a major turning point where they got rolling towards the finale. It was a very strong ending and the fight between Aang and Ozai did not disappoint. My only issues with the finale are the previously mentioned Azula craziness and the Deus Ex Machina moment when the Lion Turtle gives Aang energybending so he doesn't have to kill Ozai since this is a kids show. Not that I expected a brutal murder scene, but Deus Ex Machina is cheating and cheap storytelling. I understand why the writers had to do it; I still didn't like it.
Ultimately, Avatar: The Last Airbender is a good show. I thoroughly enjoyed it, certainly a lot more than I thought I would. When the show premiered, I was already out of my anime phase and I had already given up on television a year or two before. Avatar: The Last Airbender seemed like another American show that was trying to cash-in on the anime craze, and I didn't care enough to give it a chance. I'm glad I finally did though binge-watching certainly makes it easier to get hooked on shows. The animation wasn't great in the first season but improves in each subsequent season. The series finale was just so amazingly well-done. Still, the animation in The Legend of Korra trumps it entirely.
And it's a shame that Nickelodeon didn't greenlight the follow-up story about Zuko and Azula's mother as a movie. It would have made a good epilogue. I just read the summary of the graphic novels.
The Legend of Korra It's a very different kind of show than its predecessor so it feels like the only reason to compare the two is because they take place in the same universe. However, everything is different: tone, style, storytelling etc. Even though the writers generally do a pretty good job of connecting the seasons, they can stand alone with story arcs that resolve themselves at the end of each season. Korra's character arc continues from season to season as well as some of the other characters though most of the other characters don't have enough depth to matter.
I think Oblivion mentioned in the TV show thread that The Legend of Korra was only supposed to be a 12-episode mini-series. I'm really glad Nickelodeon decided to expand on it because Book One: Air was pretty mediocre though Nickelodeon's meddling is probably the reason why the shows suffers in certain places. They had to do another whole origin and introduce brand new characters (which collectively were immensely worse and uneven than Avatar: The Last Airbender's cast). Then, there were whole episodes devoted almost entirely to Avatar Quidditch (or pro-bending, who cares?). The rapid advancement of technology in the 70 years between Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra take place seemed absurd to me. It's fiction so I tried to ignore it.
Amon wasn't even that interesting, and it wasn't surprising at all that he was a bender though I suppose this was the ultimate payoff to that bloodbending episode in Avatar: The Last Airbender. If I take it that way, it still plays out more as something the writers tried to justify than something that was planned all along. It seemed a little lazy that people can now bloodbend any time (not just during a full moon) and that Amon can use it to take away someone's bending ability. It was such an exclusive ability in terms of knowledge and availability then the writer's were like, "Ahh, **** it." Giving Korra the ability to restore people's bending ability (especially after regaining bending herself) was a cop-out. In retrospect, it makes Amon a far less threatening villain. I wonder if the writers would have just left Korra without most of her Avatar powers if the show remained 12 episodes only. That seems like a pretty finite way to end things. The next Avatar in the line would presumably be able to master all the elements again.
Book Two: Spirits was much better even if it felt disconnected from the first season. There's greater weight to the events in subsequent seasons because one leads into and is directly responsible for the next. Korra leaves the spirit portals open which gives people airbending including Zaheer who uses it break out of prison. Zaheer kills The Earth Queen which fractures the Earth Kingdom and throws the entire region into chaos. He also poisons Korra which leads to Kuvira uniting the kingdom instead of Korra.
Anyway, I wasn't especially impressed by season two until the Avatar Wan episodes (I really liked the art style too). Unalaq wasn't a very good villain, but Vaatu changed the stakes. Still, defeating Vaatu caused a problem for the rest of the series. Once Korra purifies the spirit of chaos and darkness, I had trouble believing other villains could pose a real threat.
And good job casting Aubrey Plaza as Eska. Kudos to whoever made that call.
Book Three: Change was probably my favorite season of The Legend of Korra. It had the best fighting and the most consistent storytelling in the series. The Red Lotus were the best villains since Azula, and they were all written and portrayed fairly well. Still, there's a bit of cheating at the end. How do you get around the fact that Korra defeated the greatest threat to the world and the Avatar line (that also cut her attachment to her previous lives)? You literally handcuff her. Then, you poison her. The whole history with Raava and Vaatu raised the stakes of that battle and made it far more interesting. There's really no where to go but down after that.
I thought Korra was going to end up fighting all four main members of the Red Lotus at the same time and maybe that would even the playing field. Still, Korra vs. The Red Lotus/Zaheer was just immensely enjoyable and collectively my favorite fight of either series, even with Korra de-powered to make the fight close. Additionally, it was nice that the writers clarified that airbending has an advanced skill (flying). It was one of those things that I was left wondering about at the end of Avatar: The Last Airbender. Lightning didn't really make sense for fire, but fine. Earthbending has two advanced skills: metalbending and lavabending. Waterbending has bloodbending though if waterbenders can control any form of water, shouldn't that also include air?
Book Four: Balance was considerably weaker than the previous two seasons, but still stronger than the first season. Kuvira wasn't a very good villain either though Zelda Williams did her best. She had a certain presence to her; she just didn't have the power to back it up. Again, they cheated by handicapping Korra. The only reason Kuvira wasn't defeated immediately was because Korra was still dealing with the residual effects of the poison from the previous season (and the little bit still left in her body). It's weird that many of the major villains across both shows just end up in prison. Ozai, Azula, Zaheer, and (presumably) Kuvira are jailed despite some pretty terrible crimes. I expected Kuvira to be thrown into the Fog of Lost Souls (which I suppose is just another kind of prison albeit an extremely awful one) after a short fight in the Spirit World considering her crimes include kidnapping, treason, torture, slavery, and attempted genocide.
I didn't really like the ending; it felt rushed. The fight ends, Korra and Kuvira talk in the Spirit World, then there's a wedding. I didn't really care for the pairing of Korra and Asami. I'm NOT against it (EDIT: I really mean I'm not against it. Jebus.). However, I didn't think the writers established enough between the two to justify it. I realize that this is a Nickelodeon show and there's a limit to what they're allowing the producers to show, but if they're going to do it, then commit to it. Leaving their relationship ambiguous is a disservice to the message they're trying to make. Still, I just didn't particularly like any of the love story stuff in either show. It generally felt forced, distracting, and unnecessary.
Ultimately, they were both good albeit flawed shows. I'd have to watch them again, but I definitely noticed some plot holes and inconsistencies. I think the shows definitely suffered by being on Nickelodeon as there were things that were either glossed over or ignored. Still, they got away with a lot for a show rated Y7.
And I didn't want to put this next bit in the middle of my (already very long) write up. Meelo was so fucking annoying and terrible. I generally like kids; I just hate kids like Meelo. He wrecked every scene he was in. He almost ruined the episode where Toph returns since he was featured so prominently. He's the anti-Toph. Everything that made Toph awesome and fun, Meelo was the opposite of that. His voice, his lines, his mannerisms, his personality, his design, his everything was awful, flat-out fucking awful. And he never did anything that important to justify his existence. Anything he did could have been re-written for Jinora and/or Ikki. He's such a horrible choice by writers, directors, and showrunners who have done a mostly good job that I'm docking points from The Legend of Korra just because Meelo is that bad. And fartbending? Fucking seriously? Goddammit.
Still good all-around shows. I recommend them.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 04, 2015, 02:05:16 AM
Lots of things I'd like to address and discuss with that great write-up. Glad you ultimately enjoyed the two shows. When I'm not feeling the after effects of my travel today then I'll reply to what you wrote here.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 04, 2015, 08:58:02 AM
Ultimately I like your discussion of all the seasons. I think I disagree with some of what you said. I personally think the first season of Korra is very strong…and is easily the second best season of Korra, and probably the 3rd best season of the series. Books 2 and 3 of The Last Airbender were better. The best season of Korra is easily book 3. I feel like that story really opened up the world and created opened up the possibilities of bending more.
I have mixed feelings about the advanced bending techniques. I think in Korra bending got too powerful with some of the advanced abilities…but it still was fun to watch.
Your thoughts on fire and lightning bending I had the same ideas. I thought lightning isn't the same as fire and was a silly advanced ability. However, when it is explained that bending fire is bending the energy in the air and within you…which is why Fire benders could "create" their element while Earth and Water elements couldn't. Made sense. Lightning is a form of energy and so is fire, so I learned to accept that.
As for blood bending it is not something that could be done by any bender…but a special bender that learned the skill. It is extremely rare and shocking. Though water had the many advanced skills. Healing, Ice, Water. And you mentioned pulling the water out of the air…and yes highly skilled and advanced water benders could do that at full strength.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Adrock on January 04, 2015, 11:08:09 AM
If I had to rank the seasons:
1. Book Two: Earth 2. Book Three: Change 3. Book Three: Fire 4. Book Two: Spirits 5. Book Four: Balance 6. Book One: Water 7. Book One: Air
That doesn't say as much as it might seem. Book Two: Earth is far and away the best season for me and it isn't close. It's entirely escalation with the fewest issues. Book One: Air is seventh because there are only seven total and it has to go somewhere, but it really isn't that close to Book One: Water. Book Four: Balance gets the edge over Book One: Water because it has some of the best fight scenes and very little filler (besides the clips show though that was entirely Nickelodeon's fault for cutting the budget). In fact, Book Four: Balance could have used at least another episode because the ending was so rushed. Book Three: Fire and Book Three: Change are very close. I go back and forth between the two. Book Three: Fire finishes very strong but has an egregious amount of filler in the beginning. Book Three: Change has my favorite fight scene between the two series, edging out Aang vs. Ozai. Book Two: Balance is right in the middle mainly because the second half is very good. I felt like it had the intended ending of the show though Book Three: Change also does a very good job of acting as a finale.
Anyway, I forgot about healing. I'd consider that and bloodbending to be waterbending's advanced skills. I figured anyone could learn bloodbending with intense training and practice because between Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra, Katara has bloodbending outlawed (I presume not singlehandedly) so it must have eventually become widespread enough for this to happen. I didn't consider ice to be an advanced waterbending skill because I thought the entire point of waterbending was being able to control all forms of water. That was my point about airbending. I feel like it should be a part of waterbending. It's one of those inconsistencies I ignore like how lightning is an advanced skill of fire. It doesn't really make sense to me, but it isn't a big enough deal to wreck my enjoyment of the shows. I'm not sure what the creators' actual intentions for all these techniques and skills were, but this was how I interpreted them.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 04, 2015, 01:20:47 PM
Lightning is an advanced skill of fire because it isn't so much "fire"bending as "chi"bending. When you firebender, you are bending the chi within you. As a lightning bender, once you have total control over your emotions, you can combine the positive and negative chi around your body to create lightning. To redirect, you must direct that chi (in the form of lightning) through your body and out again. The stuff with the lightning was supported by Iroh's dialogue in the episode of Atla "Bitter Work" and I inferred my thoughts about firebending from those ideas.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 04, 2015, 11:27:17 PM
Adrock: Actually Blood Bending was thought to be a myth...but it was always wrong. I would put it as a lost "dark art" that water benders knew about however, nobody could do except on full moons, and only the most powerful and talented of benders. Blood Bending would probably rank up there with Lava bending extremely rare.
It was illegal probably because when people were creating laws Katara reminded people it was a very real power.
As for Book 3. I do not feel it has that much filler. Instead I feel like that needed to spend the time showing that Zuko can be part of the team and that the team slowly began to trust him...it was a natural process and it worked great.
My personal opinion is this order:
Book 2: Earth best season. Book 3: Fire and Book 1: Air Book 3: Change Book 2: Spirits Book 4: Balance Book 1: Water
I think book 1 is interesting but weak. The fire nation seems overly powerful and all the other nations look and feel weak. The battle on the Northern Water Tribe was pretty silly in its one-sided nature. And honestly, Water should have the advantage over fire in almost every aspect of that battle.
Other than book 1 I think the original series is head and shoulders better than Korra. However, Korra did some really cool things. Spirits may be one of my least favorite seasons, but at least it expanded the Avatar mythos and world with the origin of the first Avatar. However, I think Korra had the 2 best villains of the entire show with The Red Lotus/Zaheer and Amon. I personally don't see how Amon isn't interesting. First you have a villain that can take away your bending which the show uses quite effectively as an analog for rape. But, also his personal manipulation of a cause against bending (which actually had some good points and good fears) was fun.
To me Korra showed the world getting more complicated, and that there was no clear cut villains just because they are "EVIL" anymore. And that politics pull you towards decisions and actions you don't agree with. I loved that aspect of the show. Expectations vs. Realities. Korra is a more mature and focused show in that regard.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 05, 2015, 12:12:15 AM
Oh, and there's only one filler episode of Avatar: "The Great Divide". Every other episode introduces a character, a concept, furthers the character's development, or furthers the development of an idea. The episodes claimed to be "filler" in Season 3 of Avatar is actually one of the above in my list. Filler, by definition, does none of those things.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Adrock on January 05, 2015, 07:16:03 AM
Ehh, I consider filler to be anything that is largely unnecessary to a story. You mentioned The Great Divide, but even then, Team Avatar had to cross that canyon, all the stuff with the feuding tribes surrounding that is extra. Filler doesn't have to be entire episodes. Looking at the episode list of Book Three: Fire, only The Awkening, Sokka's Master, and The Avatar and the Fire Lord strike me as imperative before The Day of the Black Sun Part One: The Invasion. The rest have bits of importance that could have been condensed. Besides Nightmares and Daydreams (which, looking back now, may be my least favorite episode in Avatar: The Last Airbender) and most of both The Headband and The Beach, I enjoyed those early third season episodes. They're fun filler but filler nonetheless. The Runaway is mostly pointless in the grand scheme of show's arc, but it's one of my favorite episodes if only because Toph is just A+ throughout.
I know it seems like I'm being hard on The Puppetmaster, but I actually consider it to be a really good episode. However, it still doesn't add much to the overall story. Slightly change one or two scenes in The Southern Raiders (namely when Katara bloodbends Yon Rha) and The Puppetmaster is rendered entirely extraneous. Good episode, just unnecessary.
Don't take the filler comment to be a serious condemnation of the show. Every show has filler. I ask that you take the comment in context. Book Three: Fire and Book Three: Change are on pretty even ground as far as I'm concerned. If I absolutely had to pick something in order to give one an edge over the other, it's the filler portions. Still, these things aren't set in stone. Ask me what my favorite food is at the beginning and end of the week and I may give you a different answer. The same applies here. The filler content is what I used to ultimately separate Book Three: Fire and Book Three: Change, but like I said in the previous post, I go back and forth between them.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 05, 2015, 04:44:07 PM
I actually largely agree with the top of your list. Mind you, I enjoy them all, so its like forcing me to choose between my children.
1. Book Two: Earth 2. Book Three: Change 3. Book Three: Fire 4. Book One: Air 5. Book One: Water 6. Book Four: Balance 7. Book Two: Spirits
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on January 06, 2015, 02:12:10 AM
Good discussion here, guys.
On re-watchings, i think, Book Water becomes much better (despite rather bad first six episodes). A string of episodes in the middle starting from Storm, Blue Spirit, Bato of the Water Tribe is easily one of the best either of the shows has been, all of them featuring ATLA's trademark balance between character study and kung fu action.
The season 1 finale was no slouch either. I remember sitting in the kitchen, watching the end of the first part of the finale where Zuko carries Aang's body into the blizzard and realizing -- this is the big one.
Book Earth is just perfect. The writing, pacing and arc building was as tight as a diamond -- can't add anything, can't retract anything. Having said that, "waaah i lost Appa bohoo" arc felt a bit too touchy feely for me. In the finale, i literally fell off my stool when Zuko made his choice. It was an amazing moment.
Fire was a major letdown. Rather weak first episodes coupled with bad schedule slips after massive cliffhanger of a season 2 finale (year and a half wait between two seasons). Then was "Day of the Black Sun" and yet another hiatus -- a whole year.
It was ridiculous when some episodes of the second half premiered on DVD before they hit TV. And then they showed the remainder within one week leading to the finale. And then there was a novelization of the finale that also was published before official premiere...
At least finale itself was amazing: fight scenes, music, Zuko and Azula's Agni Kai. Seeing "The End" hit me really hard...
Announcement of Korra a few years later was pure hype, from the very first pic of Korra looking at the city to all details that came from Comic-Con and then the trailer.
The actual series was pretty good and lead up to the finale was great. Actual ending was somewhat disappointing and was still decent enough i felt.
I do agree that resolution to Book Air was weak -- they were trying to make debending feel like a death almost to raise the stakes, and in the finale Korra magically fixes it all by giving everyone bending back, just like that. This cheapened their own scene of Lin's sacrifice.
Season 2 was pretty awful. Teen romance got downright insufferable and the plot was all over the place. Origins two-parter with Wan though was amazing and was the first time Korra got to ATLA level. Actual season 2 finale was stupid. I tend to separate Origins from the rest of the season.
Season 3 was probably the only solid all around season of Korra. Great villain, amazing finale easily on par with ATLA finales. Villain motivation could have been expanded more upon, but it's no biggie.
Season 4 as ObbyDent said was overshadowed by season 3. Most of it Korra spent trying to deal with consequences of s3. It's a shame too, because last season's own storylines and villain could have been good by itself. But alas we got rather underdeveloped villain and a quick resolution to tie up everything left. A tad too fast.
My final rankings would be:
ATLA s2 Earth
Korra s2 Origins
Korra s3 Change
ATLA s1 Water (Blue Spirit is my favourite episode ever)
ATLA s3 Fire
Korra s4 Balance
Korra s1 Air
Korra s2 Spirits (without Origins two-parter)
This series has been a huge part of my life and i am grateful for it. Sure, neither shows are "perfect" perfect but overall it has been an amazing ride and ATLA is probably my favorite anything in any media or genre.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 06, 2015, 02:42:15 AM
Glad to see you joining the discussion, Azeke. Nothing much to say to what you've said besides that I largely agree with your sentiment.
Just something I wanted to share with you all is something I'm sure everyone can appreciate:
This dude is "remastering" the original show by removing the hideous ghosting and interlacing from the original DVD cut. If you click that link he has plenty of comparison shots and a short video of Toph's fight against The Boulder and its crazy how much better it looks. When the 10th anniversary of the first episode of Avatar comes around (this Feb. 2st) I hope he's done by then so I can rewatch it that way.
Speaking of the rewatch, I was wondering if anyone wanted to do an Avatar rewatch starting on the 21st. We can could a designated amount of episodes once and week and then discuss them.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: Adrock on January 06, 2015, 07:06:27 AM
Yeah, I'd consider Book Two: Spirits to be fairly mediocre without Beginnings Part 1 and Part 2 too though I don't think it's fair to separate it. The rest of the season is pretty good after those episodes so it props up the terrible start yet leaves the season ultimately very uneven.
I was genuinely shocked when the Dark Avatar destroyed Raava. And I'm glad that the writers didn't completely cop out to that (like they did in the previous season with Korra restoring Lin's bending and such). Even though Korra ultimately saves/frees Raava, there were still real consequences to Raava being initially destroyed. That said, I liked the finale. I think it would have worked well functionally as a finale to the entire show (had it ended there) though it works particularly well in regards to the rest of the show. It acts as a soft reboot as the entire world changes and Korra no longer has any connection to her past lives. Aang constantly looked to Roku (and Kyoshi a bit) for guidance whereas Korra no longer had that resource. I think that added to what made Book Three: Change so good. As the Avatar, she's on her own. She's functionally the new Wan (while also undoing his decision to close the spirit portals), the new first Avatar. And while Wan felt like he failed by the end of his life, Korra didn't by the end of the show. I feel like she's more content, she had made the world a better, more peaceful place. So Book Two: Spirits when viewed alone is perhaps not great though I try to look it as the first act of a three act story.
Anyway, I'd be down for rewatching Avatar: The Last Airbender though I believe February 21 is around the time Netflix releases the third season of House of Cards so I suppose after that, I'd be down for rewatching and discussion.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: azeke on January 06, 2015, 08:08:32 AM
This dude is "remastering" the original show by removing the hideous ghosting and interlacing from the original DVD cut. If you click that link he has plenty of comparison shots and a short video of Toph's fight against The Boulder and its crazy how much better it looks. When the 10th anniversary of the first episode of Avatar comes around (this Feb. 2st) I hope he's done by then so I can rewatch it that way.
While this is appreciated -- artefacting on official DVDs for Book 1 and 2 literally hurts my eyes, releasing it that way was a crime, i think this work is redundant.
There are TVRips and Web-rips (from iTunes and the like) of ATLA without artefacts and with video quality better than DVD.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 06, 2015, 01:23:47 PM
This dude is "remastering" the original show by removing the hideous ghosting and interlacing from the original DVD cut. If you click that link he has plenty of comparison shots and a short video of Toph's fight against The Boulder and its crazy how much better it looks. When the 10th anniversary of the first episode of Avatar comes around (this Feb. 2st) I hope he's done by then so I can rewatch it that way.
While this is appreciated -- artefacting on official DVDs for Book 1 and 2 literally hurts my eyes, releasing it that way was a crime, i think this work is redundant.
There are TVRips and Web-rips (from iTunes and the like) of ATLA without artefacts and with video quality better than DVD.
Really? The TVRips I know are quite good, but every time I ever bought an episode from an online distributer it was even worse than the DVD copies.
The reason why I'm digging this is so I can get the best quality possible and burn them to Blu-Rays so I can make a custom ATLA remastered boxset.
I was genuinely shocked when the Dark Avatar destroyed Raava. And I'm glad that the writers didn't completely cop out to that (like they did in the previous season with Korra restoring Lin's bending and such). Even though Korra ultimately saves/frees Raava, there were still real consequences to Raava being initially destroyed. That said, I liked the finale. I think it would have worked well functionally as a finale to the entire show (had it ended there) though it works particularly well in regards to the rest of the show. It acts as a soft reboot as the entire world changes and Korra no longer has any connection to her past lives. Aang constantly looked to Roku (and Kyoshi a bit) for guidance whereas Korra no longer had that resource. I think that added to what made Book Three: Change so good. As the Avatar, she's on her own. She's functionally the new Wan (while also undoing his decision to close the spirit portals), the new first Avatar. And while Wan felt like he failed by the end of his life, Korra didn't by the end of the show. I feel like she's more content, she had made the world a better, more peaceful place. So Book Two: Spirits when viewed alone is perhaps not great though I try to look it as the first act of a three act story.
You're right, that part is one of my favorite moments of the show. I know quite a few people that didn't like that they "killed" off the previous Avatars but I think it was best for Korra's character development.
What I disliked was the very bad fight between Unavaatu and Giant!Korra. Not the mention the asspull with Jinora that even the creators have no idea what she did. Ugh.
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on January 22, 2015, 01:46:09 PM
Title: Re: The Legend of Korra [Season 4 airs in Jan/Feb for Australia]
Post by: ObbyDent on June 06, 2015, 11:34:26 PM
So a guy on reddit edited Zuko's journey from season one and two into a 2 hour and 50 minute film. It's pretty good besides a few choice editing decisions.
Here's the link to the thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/38t5hi/atla_avatar_prince_of_the_fire_nation_part_i_i/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/38t5hi/atla_avatar_prince_of_the_fire_nation_part_i_i/)
And here's the link to the film [Mega.co.nz link]: https://mega.co.nz/#!B1IxGLQI!NhCGe1m8kEmXCbSnzLHO29r4ne9dVK34naD0-pFfBiY (https://mega.co.nz/#!B1IxGLQI!NhCGe1m8kEmXCbSnzLHO29r4ne9dVK34naD0-pFfBiY)
