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Title: Official Sales Thread
Post by: Chozo Ghost on November 21, 2006, 12:12:59 AM
Not much to report just yet. However, the Wii seems to have completely sold out, so whatever it shipped is what it sold.<BR><BR>According to this <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21226 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21226)">article, Reggie says Wii is on track to sell 1 million by early december. There's no reason to doubt that will be the case. <img src="http://img62.exs.cx/img62/7817/reggiehead.gif (http://img62.exs.cx/img62/7817/reggiehead.gif)" border="0"><BR><BR>Anyone care to do any speculating on future Wii sales? I predict it is going to outsell the PS3 until the PS3 comes down in price and becomes more readily available. After that, I have no idea what will happen. 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2006, 12:47:25 AM
As stated b4, no one is sure of the accuracy of this, but it should give you a rough estimate of whats been sold/shipped so far.



Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 21, 2006, 03:01:28 AM
I read somewhere that Nintendo may have actually already sold 1 million consoles. Maybe the article was mistaken. Don't quote me on that, but they've obviously sold as many as they shipped, so whatever the shipping number is, the sales number is going to be exactly the same, give or take a couple here and there if there are some lame ass towns where the internet doesn't exist.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on November 21, 2006, 03:50:29 AM
If BNM's numbers are about right (they look decent to me), then:

87.1% for Microsoft
9.7% for Nintendo
3.2% for Sony

Not bad considering Nintendo has been on the market for three days.  GameCube only has about 14% of the last-gen marketshare, and it had around 6% at the end of 2001.  Wii could have over 25% by the end of the year.

What will be really interesting is seeing how Wii and PS3 are doing in a few months when the PS3 supply is fixed and the new game releases thin out.   Xbox 360 will probably win for a couple of months there.  I really hope Nintendo has a couple more games than it announced last week.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 21, 2006, 05:40:27 AM
$5 says Nintendo is in 1st place same time next year, or at least by January 2008.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Edfishy on November 21, 2006, 05:45:09 AM
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$5 says Nintendo is in 1st place same time next year, or at least by January 2008.


*Ahem*... you mean "500 Wii Points".
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on November 21, 2006, 07:14:16 AM
Gamasutra reports that Wii has an initial tie-in ratio of 3.0!  Yowie-zowie!
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On the Playstation 3, GameStop found its top titles were Resistance and Madden, while on Wii, The Legend of Zelda and Red Steel were the top sellers. The Wii and PS3 achieved software/hardware tie ratios of 3.0 and 1.5 respectively.
I assume these numbers are just for GameStop/EB Games.  My assumption is that the tie-in ratio of these stores is higher than that of stores like Wal-Mart and Best Buy, so it's probably lower in real life.  However, it does at least give us something to talk about.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on November 21, 2006, 09:22:00 AM
Yeah, the PS3 tie-in is probably lower overall too, though.  Wii is going strong...I can't wait until the Japanese and European launches...it could become the number 1 next-gen console in Japan in just one day.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on November 21, 2006, 10:05:37 AM
"Gamasutra reports that Wii has an initial tie-in ratio of 3.0! Yowie-zowie!"

Don't a lot of stores force bundles at launch though?  That sort of thing could skewer the results.  But then I imagine the PS3 would have that affecting it as well, unless WiiSports or VC titles are counted which I doubt.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 21, 2006, 10:29:14 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Yeah, the PS3 tie-in is probably lower overall too, though.  Wii is going strong...I can't wait until the Japanese and European launches...it could become the number 1 next-gen console in Japan in just one hour.


Fixed
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on November 21, 2006, 11:08:15 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Gamasutra reports that Wii has an initial tie-in ratio of 3.0!  Yowie-zowie!
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On the Playstation 3, GameStop found its top titles were Resistance and Madden, while on Wii, The Legend of Zelda and Red Steel were the top sellers. The Wii and PS3 achieved software/hardware tie ratios of 3.0 and 1.5 respectively.
I assume these numbers are just for GameStop/EB Games.  My assumption is that the tie-in ratio of these stores is higher than that of stores like Wal-Mart and Best Buy, so it's probably lower in real life.  However, it does at least give us something to talk about.


Horray! Red Steel is selling strong. That meas Ubisoft will have a good return on their investment, and most likely continue making games for Wii! This also means its feasible that a Red Steel 2 will come out, giving them a chance to redeem themselves on the control front.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on November 21, 2006, 12:01:35 PM
Well Ian I bought a Wii , Wii remote, Nunchuk and 6 games. And in Toys R us there were a lot of people who bought atleast 1 - 4 games at launch. So in a way cheaper system = more games sold. And a lot of 3rd parties will be happy with sales and Nintendo will be happy with all the profit from Wii, accessories, LOZ and 3rd party royalties they are going to rake in.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: segagamer12 on November 21, 2006, 12:08:16 PM
Games and accesories are hard as hell to find around here too so i thinkg everyting is selling good. I bought BDZ:BT2, a Wii card and a Classic OCntrooler then ran out of money, went back to town the next day and EVERY single Nunchuck is sold out EVERYWHERE!. Also found Shop-ko who was the BEST place to buy GC stuff SUCKS for Wii, they are five and ten dollars higher priced on everything.

I waited on Red Steel and it seams I may have to wait longer cuz it is selling out everywhere at every store here.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on November 21, 2006, 02:20:40 PM
I think everything is selling great.  A second shipment already hit my area and after calling 5 stores and them saying they were sold out I walked into walmart to grab the last one.  The sellout continues despite the resupply and thats certainly a good thing.  Games do seem low at most retailers as well.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KnowsNothing on November 21, 2006, 02:32:45 PM
I'm glad I picked up my games and controller while  I could, even though I still have no Wii.  Hopefully I'll have one soon ;__;
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BigJim on November 21, 2006, 03:30:23 PM
I think Nintendo said in NWR's podcast that there will be 1 million shipped by Thanksgiving. Don't know how accurate that above site's numbers are, but 1M will be the sales cap this week.

Then I guess roughly another 200K/week until the end of the year in North America = 2 million? That's a fast ramp up.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on November 22, 2006, 06:11:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Gamasutra reports that Wii has an initial tie-in ratio of 3.0! Yowie-zowie!"

Don't a lot of stores force bundles at launch though?  That sort of thing could skewer the results.  But then I imagine the PS3 would have that affecting it as well, unless WiiSports or VC titles are counted which I doubt.
These figures came from GameStop/EB Games, which had no forced bundles except for online (which was a small percentage of total units available).  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on November 28, 2006, 02:50:20 AM
For the sake of posterity, Nintendo reported yesterday (Nov. 27th) that 600,000 units were sold in the first week.

Edit: Just looking over the nexgenwars thing BlackNMild posted and I started wondering how it works.  It looks like they extrapolate sales and then have it update the numbers based on an average number of units sold per minute (or whatever).  As of this post the program seems to be claiming the following approximate sales rates:

Xbox 360: 36-37 units per min.
PS3: 5-6 units per min.
Wii: 14-15 units per min.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 28, 2006, 06:11:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem Horray! Red Steel is selling strong. That meas Ubisoft will have a good return on their investment, and most likely continue making games for Wii! This also means its feasible that a Red Steel 2 will come out, giving them a chance to redeem themselves on the control front.


It also encourages 3rd parties to offer Wii support.

If an unpolished launch title like Red Steel can still sell very well, it means that companies should have jumped on board long ago and they'll scramble to do so now.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on November 28, 2006, 06:33:05 AM
If Nintendo can keep just a 3 to 1 tie in Ratio then they'll be sitting ok.  Considering everything makes them money.

Edit:  On Nexgenwars 53% of the people picked Wii.  I wonder if they are going for just the US or the World.  If thats a case I expect a real spike in the number a week from now.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on November 28, 2006, 07:16:34 AM
The Nextgenwars numbers must be worldwide, as Xbox 360's total sales worldwide were 6 million about two months ago.

What's fun about that site is you get to see how far off they are when actual numbers are announced by Nintendo or the other companies.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on November 28, 2006, 07:18:23 AM
The numbers for the Wii are only in the US. We haven't even seen the sales from Japan and Europe yet, but expect the Wii to be over a million in a week.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on November 28, 2006, 10:21:45 AM
Ah, but can we expect the Wii to be near 4 million by January 1? Or is 3 million a more likely estimate?

600,000 IS not too shabby a number, but Nintendo should hopefully iron out their supply issues to meet the demand while the hype is strong, and at least satisfy January and March's after-christmas non-gamer impressment rush. Interestingly enough, great non gamer games are coming out in Q1: Wii Play, Wario Ware, and Mario Party 8. If Nintendo really plans to build on nongamer and casual hype, then they need to supply for those months too.

Besides... we've got what? 5 weeks left till 2007? Even at the extravagant number of 200,000 units a week (WAY MORE than DS shipments), Nintendo will be at 1.6 mil for the Americas...

Of course, Nintendo may be doing a smart rollout strategy for this (i.e. holding back units to create artificial shortages and hype), in effect ensuring a steady, healthy weekly supply of wiis so as to make the hype a long, steady broil instead of a flash in the pan. Long, sustained supplies and hype are more beneficial for casual and non-gamers, whereas hardcore gamers are better suited for the BUYITNOWORELSENEVER demands of an all-at-once sellout.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: willie1234 on November 28, 2006, 10:49:43 AM
it looks to me like 4 million will be hard to reach, probably more like 2.5 - 3 mill by end of year.  Still not bad, and with all the non-gaming hype it looks like a strong entrance into 2007.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Klapaucius on November 28, 2006, 11:36:15 AM
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/entertainment/news/20061128p2a00m0et009000c.html

Wii sales in the news!

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlkPaladin on November 28, 2006, 11:53:39 AM
Nintendo got in trouble with the US government with its N64 launch they did just that hold onto some units and create a false shortage and suddenly a week later there were plenty of units.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Klapaucius on November 28, 2006, 08:20:03 PM
UNPRECEDENTED NUMBER OF PRE-ORDERS!!

http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/en/GB/news/article.do?elementId=COrnjVNAKOyboQDw4lqIEsq7OI-7EhdW
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: The Traveller on November 28, 2006, 08:47:55 PM
Yah you have to remember Europe and Japan.. I think they will make it to 4 mill
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on November 29, 2006, 02:34:05 AM
I'm guessing Wii will fall somewhere around 3.5 million for the year - Nintendo will hold some units for replacements and the like (but they may be able to turn around and resell some of those "broken" units pretty quickly, who knows?)
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 29, 2006, 04:14:16 AM
edit:posted this in the wrong thread
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UncleBob on December 02, 2006, 07:37:40 AM
Whoo!  Go one million mark!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: RyGuy on December 02, 2006, 03:57:49 PM
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
Whoo!  Go one million mark!


Yah, it seems to be more correct. But it STILL does slowly increase. Anyone know why? I doubt people update this 24/7.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 02, 2006, 04:14:52 PM
They estimate. They take a look at the sales data and the company, if they're having production problems, etc... then guest a certain number of units sold per min. Then the computer just automatically adds X number of units a min. With the Wii system launch, i'm sure they just added 400,000 in by hand and maybe then doubled the number of units/min added.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 03, 2006, 12:58:38 AM
I bet you Sony probably expected the Wii to flop right out the gate and their PS3 would have the highest numbers, running circles around Nintendo, even with Sony's supply not equalling demand.

Poor Sony!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 03, 2006, 04:47:38 AM
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Nintendo's Wii Game Console Sells Out On 1st Day

OSAKA (Nikkei)--Nintendo Co. (7974) rolled out its new video game console, the Wii, in Japan on Saturday, prompting thousands of enthusiasts to line up for hours in front of electronics stores across the nation before they opened. Nearly 400,000 machines were sold the first day, with many locations running out of stock by around noon.

Source:<requires login-in>

It is now official, Nintendo Wii is the #1 selling New/Next-gen console in Japan, this is a title that I am sure Nintendo will enjoy for the entire month of Dec. at the very least*. But more realistically, Wii will conmtinue to be #1 throughout 2007 if demand stays this healthy and PS3 supply remains low.

*(this title was previously held by Xbox360 throughout most of 2006 as it was the only next gen systemin Japan until the recently released PS3 which failed to outsell the 360 due to supply problems)  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 03, 2006, 11:27:08 AM
I think it's safe to say Nintendo has retaken the Japanese home console market.  In Japan the winning console has always dominated over it's competition.  And right now the Wii has already outsold the PS3 by 4X the amount, and has Zelda and Wario Ware which are both very popular.  And in two weeks they'll be releasing Pokemon: Battle Revolution which will definatly be riding on the success that Diamond/Pearl have had.  Plus in early 2007, Dragon Quest Swords, Fire Emblem and Mario Party 8 are scheduled to come out.  All three titles are popular and should bring in great sales as well.

Even if Sony starts getting more shipments in they have no games that are going to make Japanese gamers go out in droves to buy it, while the Wii will have 6 titles that are very popular and plenty of third party games that should do well to.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BigJim on December 03, 2006, 11:40:30 AM
Safe? Yes, every 5 year battle was decided in a few weeks.

It's a healthy start by virtue of competent supply, but I won't be drawing any conclusions for at least a year.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UncleBob on December 03, 2006, 11:56:11 AM
So, what's the Life-To-Date numbers for the 360 in Japan?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 03, 2006, 12:03:15 PM
The question comes down to when the Wii sales start to slow down. If they start to slow in Dec, then that's a bad sign.

Ideally, there should still be demand for the console through early January.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 03, 2006, 12:08:25 PM
From the official DS sales thread, xbox360 life-to-date in Japan is 174,016 for the week of Nov. 20th - 26th.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UncleBob on December 03, 2006, 12:25:59 PM
So... Wii has sold 10 times as many units in, like 1/100th of the time then?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 03, 2006, 12:41:00 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
Safe? Yes, every 5 year battle was decided in a few weeks.

It's a healthy start by virtue of competent supply, but I won't be drawing any conclusions for at least a year.


Well the DS vs PSP battle was pretty much decided in a few weeks in Japan.  Even though there was those several weeks in early 2005 where the PSP was outselling the DS by a little bit, the DS gained such a huge lead in December of 2004 that those weeks meant nothing.  And then when Nintendogs was released in April the DS took off and the battle was over.

Isn't there a Brain Training game that's supposed to come out sometime next year in Japan as well.  I think if they were to release one within the first half it'd have the same results that Nintendogs did in pretty much sealing the deal.

Unless Square-Enix would suddenly come out and announce Dragon Quest IX is going to be released on the PS3 sometime next year, I think Japan will be pretty safe for Nintendo.  Of course America and Europe are going to be were the real battle lies so I'm not making any predictions about those two places until after seeing the sales for all the console after holiday 2007, which will be the deciding factor on which console wins worldwide.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BigJim on December 03, 2006, 12:41:53 PM
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So... Wii has sold 10 times as many units in, like 1/100th of the time then?



< 200K/year vs. 400K/day. I guess that'd makes it over twice as much in about 1/365th of the time, no? Maybe closer to 350. But that's not much of a surprise.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 03, 2006, 01:04:19 PM
If Nintendo some how slipped in a second day replenishment shipment of 40-60k more Wii's, its possible that the Wii could outsell the PS3 and the 360 combined in next weeks sales charts. I can't wait to see how this plays out on tuesday or wednesday.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 03, 2006, 01:10:20 PM
I wonder which game sold more in Japan, Zelda or Wario Ware.  Or will this be like Mario 64 DS and Wario Ware Touched where they're both selling the same amount after launch.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ryancoke on December 04, 2006, 02:59:51 AM
I think part of the reason why Wii is such a success in Japan is because the Japanese gamers have finally figured out that NO GUNDAM GAME HAS EVER BEEN ANY GOOD!!!  For some reason the Japanese populace loves crappy Gundam games and I thought that alone would sell tons of PS3s.  Then again, I could be wrong. We'll have to see how both systems are doing in 6m when they are both readily available in stores.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 04, 2006, 03:41:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude Unless Square-Enix would suddenly come out and announce Dragon Quest IX is going to be released on the PS3 sometime next year, I think Japan will be pretty safe for Nintendo.  Of course America and Europe are going to be were the real battle lies so I'm not making any predictions about those two places until after seeing the sales for all the console after holiday 2007, which will be the deciding factor on which console wins worldwide.


Square's comment about "We're supporting all consoles." is their way of saying, "Sony, we're breaking up the act."

The Wii has already won this generation, hands the f*ck down.

Know how we know this?

1. Mass-market appeal: the NY Times is oozing over it, Steven Colbert played it on his show and it's already generating the kind of buzz in sectors that no console has ever cracked.

2. The Japanese are eating it up: they ate up the DS because they love newfangled stuff like this. They LOVE IT! Japanese PS3s were selling at retail price WITH two games on ebay less than a week after the launch. If the PS3 can't even produce enough units to establish a userbase, then Nintendo is the DEFAULT choice for Japanese developers.

3. Money TALKS: the Wii is ultra-cheap and and ultra-cheap to develop for. Because it's so cheap, people buy more games with it, resulting in higher 3rd party revenue. Because it's so cheap to develop for, devs can make more profit off of selling fewer games, meaning the console isn't a GAMBLE to develop for and that we're likely to see new and better franchises popping up, plus they know that the console is cheap enough that people will consider picking up multiple games with it and not just Zelda. It's a win-win for gamers and devs alike.

4. What's their competition? A shoddy Japanese company spiraling into oblivion (which was delayed for their console, ironically) and an American software monopoly who caters so hard to a specific type of gamer that it's like an exclusive club and it's also hated in Japan where in a year it's only sold 170,000 consoles, the DSLite selling more in a week than the 360 has in a year. How are either of these going to stop Nintendo with the steam it already has built?

Like I've been saying since E3: Game. Set. Match. Nintendo.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 04, 2006, 03:42:52 AM
I think the reason Wii is selling well, is people are searching for something different.

Gamers have been playing the same games in the same methods for years, and I don't think they want traditional games to disappear, but they do want to try something different.  The Wii opens up new realms of possibilities for gaming.

Everyone else is just amazed by this bizzarre new product.  It has been everyone, and people are being told it is THE next big thing.  And look at it.  Wii Sports has seriously captivated the entire media.  Wii Sports and Excite Truck may not be the most polished games, but they are perfect Wii games, that literally challenge everyones concept of gaming.  

The question is how long will this honeymoon with the media last?  And does that matter?  After the holiday season, Nintendo will be releasing games to hype up gamers, and to give those non gamers something to excite their purchase as well.

Nintendo just needs to keep big audience attracting games coming out for the entire first year to be a success...and it looks like Nintendo will be doing just that.  

Mario, Metroid, Smash Brothers, Brain Training, Wario Ware, Fire Emblem, Mario Party, Pokemon

All these games have the ability to draw new audiences to the Wii, and different audiences as well.

Holiday season 2007, I think it would be important for Nintendo to release another Wii Sports game or sequel.

Be it Wii Motor Sports, or a direct Wii Sports Sequel with fleshed out game modes for Tennis, Bowling, Baseball, Golf, Boxing...and add new Sports experiences to the package as well.  

Finally, a Wii update enhancing the Mii experience would be a huge boon for sales as well, specially if it came around the time that a few new games are released that use the Miis within the game.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: trip1eX on December 04, 2006, 03:49:12 AM
Yep that's why I enjoy the Wii.  Something new and different.  That's why I always thought it would do well.  

Alot of folks dismiss WiiSports as only for non-gamers, but it's exactly the sort of game this gamer wanted.  It's something fresh and new and fun.  

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 04, 2006, 04:50:21 AM
Before the Wii, I was just about ready to give up on gaming for good.

The DS is nice and all, but a handheld can only ever do so much to entertain me when I'm not traveling.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 04, 2006, 05:03:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother

The Wii has already won this generation, hands the f*ck down.


Quoted for general agreement.  I won't be 100% confident of Nintendo's victory until it gets a year or so under its belt, but barring some really unexpected changes in the next year, I think Nintendo is set to win.

I have to say I think Microsoft understands the limited appeal of the Xbox 360 lineup, but it doesn't quite seem to know how to fix it.  Moneyhats for third parties to develop games like Blue Dragon are a start - but it's an expensive way to change things, and not all that effective either - it takes more than one or two games.  Maybe if Microsoft is really lucky and its Japanese division works very hard, some third parties will look into 360 if the PS3 keeps failing.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 04, 2006, 05:18:32 AM
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unconfirmed 1st day sales number

Wii 368,500
Zelda TP168,400
Wii Sports 153,700
Wii Play 110,900
Made in Wario 100,500


Add in Pokemon: D/P & Love & Berry and you have 6 of the Top 10 for this upcoming week, all above 100k sold and all on a Nintendo system.

+The Top 8 for Wii
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From Enterbrain:

1. Zelda: The Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
2. WiiSports (Nintendo)
3. Hajimete no Wii (Nintendo)
4. WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
5. Trauma Center: Second Opinion [Caduceus Z: 2-tsu no Chou Shittou] (Atlus)
6. Swing Golf Pangya (Tecmo)
7. SD Gundam: Scad Hammers (Bandai Namco)
8. Red Steel (Ubisoft)
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 04, 2006, 05:19:25 AM
I think it's the Japanese xenophobia which is really killing the 360 in Japan, mostly because the console is designed from the ground up to cater to the hardcore American gamer.

But yeah, if Nintendo somehow manages to lose this generation, it would have to involve a 180 degree turnaround by Sony and for Nintendo itself to just start royally botching everything, and I like to think that Nintendo already had their chance to botch sh*t with the DS and didn't do it whereas Sony did with the PSP and that miraculous turnaround hasn't happened yet.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 04, 2006, 05:42:25 AM
Yeah, I really don't get what Sony's doing with PSP.  It should have been clear by the end of last year that the system was in trouble, but there doesn't seem to be any plan in place to fix it.  Maybe Sony was just too distracted by PS3.

Of course, it's possible that there is no helping PSP.  I've heard it argued that the system is now doomed to failure because Nintendo has successfully disrupted the market.  Is it possible that Sony believes that?

I think Sony takes PS3 more seriously, but it's just had so many problems, and again, if Nintendo has successfully disrupted the market, it may be impossible for Sony to turn things around this generation.  Same thing for Microsoft.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on December 04, 2006, 05:43:01 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I have to say I think Microsoft understands the limited appeal of the Xbox 360 lineup, but it doesn't quite seem to know how to fix it.  Moneyhats for third parties to develop games like Blue Dragon are a start - but it's an expensive way to change things, and not all that effective either - it takes more than one or two games.  Maybe if Microsoft is really lucky and its Japanese division works very hard, some third parties will look into 360 if the PS3 keeps failing.


Reminds me a lot of the problems Nintendo had with general third party support.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on December 04, 2006, 05:43:56 AM
I agree.

The system is already released and hasn't had any reports of a large number of defective units or anything. The system is selling well in both Japan and the US (outselling PS3). I'd say this late in the game it would be hard for Nintendo to do much botching. Like Smash_Brother said, Nintendo really is the default winner here.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UniversalJuan on December 04, 2006, 05:55:36 AM
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Originally posted by: ryancoke
NO GUNDAM GAME HAS EVER BEEN ANY GOOD!!!


ryancoke, meet Gundam Wing: Endless Duel  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 04, 2006, 06:02:45 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
1. Zelda: The Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
2. WiiSports (Nintendo)
3. Hajimete no Wii (Nintendo)
4. WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
5. Trauma Center: Second Opinion [Caduceus Z: 2-tsu no Chou Shittou] (Atlus)
6. Swing Golf Pangya (Tecmo)
7. SD Gundam: Scad Hammers (Bandai Namco)
8. Red Steel (Ubisoft)


You can see that the Japanese gamers love the Nintendo 1st party titles first and foremost instead of the 3rd parties.

However, how many launch titles were there total? I'm stunned as all f*ck to see Red Steel come in at #8 because I figured: foreign developer + Japan's usual dislike of FPSs = Red Steel is a shoe-OUT for Japan...

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Yeah, I really don't get what Sony's doing with PSP. It should have been clear by the end of last year that the system was in trouble, but there doesn't seem to be any plan in place to fix it. Maybe Sony was just too distracted by PS3.


Yeah, it's like they didn't even TRY to save the thing. This would be the first Sony system which they basically let dwindle and die. Though, even that's debatable because it seems like they tried with GTA and trying to get some Square games on the system.

The FFVII spinoff (Crisis Core, I believe) is the last hail mary the PSP has but I don't think that even that will be able to save the system.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 04, 2006, 06:18:12 AM
You know, I don't know if this is true or not, but I thought since Red Steel doesn't play that much like a normal FPS (I've heard it compared to more of a shooting gallery) it might be bigger in Japan than usual.  The fact that it controls "worse" than a normal FPS might not be a negative point to them since they don't like normal FPS controls.

Checking at IGN, PSP still seems to have plenty of new games coming out, but they just aren't that interesting.  It's mainly ports and sequels.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 04, 2006, 07:22:28 AM
I'll be curious to see the sales figures for RS, both here and in Japan.

I'm curious about it because it's an unpolished launch title which is probably the most ambitious game on the Wii yet and represents the first new 3rd party franchise to be on the console.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: segagamer12 on December 04, 2006, 07:39:05 AM
Its still a good game. I caved in and got it and my PSfanboy hate nintendo friends already love it. They liekd Wii Sports but Rs was what got them really hooked. He is still getting a Ps3 as sson as he can find one, but I think he will swicth up after a year. Maybe he still ahs PSp and stil maintains its better than DS and wotn even try DS.

I was very optimistic Wii would do good, I never doubted that, what worried me was that teh controlelr woud,nt work for the types of games I like, but I like FPS games and RS works good, and I like fighting games and DBZ:BT2 proves thast doable. so I just wait for the games to keep coming. Still waiting for the RPGs also. NOT FFCC but real RPGS.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 04, 2006, 08:09:06 AM
That's one of the reasons I like Red Steel: it's clearly NOT a Nintendo game and many people were probably willing to get a Wii because of that reason alone.

You have to figure that your average PS fanboy is used to years and years of crap games that sell by offering a bit of violence. Unpolished as it is, Red Steel can still impress them because the glitches probably go unnoticed. It's only the Nintendo fans who demand that their games have a certain level of polish.

The same people who buy Madden every year will no doubt be drawn in by Red Steel's aiming system and swordfighting, a type of violence which has yet to be explored on any console to the extent that the Wii can offer it.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ryancoke on December 04, 2006, 08:09:23 AM
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Originally posted by: UniversalJuan
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Originally posted by: ryancoke
NO GUNDAM GAME HAS EVER BEEN ANY GOOD!!!


ryancoke, meet Gundam Wing: Endless Duel


I've never heard of that one. Actually I've never heard of any Gundam game before the PS2. So maybe it's just the PS2 that has all the stinkers.  What system was that for?  I looks a little primative for PS1 so i'm guessing super famicom??
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: darknight06 on December 04, 2006, 08:14:34 AM
We just played this the other day and no, this isn't good either.  Was really good looking on SNES, but the character balance was horrible.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UniversalJuan on December 04, 2006, 09:43:49 AM
Only if you decide to really cheese it up/suck. Character balance in virtually any fighting game is warped (Smash Bros is included in this sadly, but it's more balanced than unbalance but unbalance is there). Endless Duel is still a fun time to be had overall I believe, and proof that Gundam games don't have to suck.

Oh, and it was a SNES/Super Famicom title.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 04, 2006, 10:39:47 AM
I agree, I played the game on an emulater a few years ago and it was pretty good.  Of course playing the game on the keyboard was a nightmare and it became impossible to beat the later opponets but if I was to play it on a console with an SNES controller things would have gone much better.

Actually even to this day Gundam Wing: Endless Duel and Dragon Ball Z: Hyper Dimension are still probobly the best anime based fighting games ever made.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 04, 2006, 05:13:50 PM
Wii's sales # in 2 days (2 Dec ~ 3 Dec) [Media Create]

Software:
Wii Sports - 176,167
Wii Play - 174,297
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 139,011
Odoru Made in Wario - 63,954
Swing Golf Panya - 16,908
Ennichi no Tatsujin (Namco mini games) - 10,763
Red Steel - 9,392
SD Gundam Scad Hammers - 9,226
Tamagotchi Pika Pika Daitouryou - 8,042
Elebits - 5,791
Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz - 4,423
Crayon Shin-Chan - 4,248
Trauma Center Second Opinion - 4,107
Kororinpa - 2,416
Necro-Nesia - 1,934
Wing Island - 800

total software - 631,480
Tie Ratio - 1.8

Hardware:
Wii - 350,358

Wii Play + Wii Sports = 350,564

unofficial #'s for one day were kinda off  but not by too much

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edit: The Famitsu version:

Wii: 371,936

Wii Sports: 176,880
Wii Play: 171,888
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess: 145,068
Odoru Made in Wario: 63,086
Swing Golf Pangya: 12,673
Ennichi no Tatsujin: 10,192
SD Gundam SCAD Hammers: 9,801
Red Steel: 8,823
Tamagotchi Pika Pika Daitouryou: 6,994
Elebits: 6,505
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 04, 2006, 06:52:31 PM
Elebits and Necro-Nesia are out in Japan already? Damn...

And Ubi should still be proud: they're the only western company in that entire lineup and they still beat out a pile of Japanese companies, including Gundam...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on December 05, 2006, 03:23:05 AM
Wii Sports and Wii Play the top 2 selling games? Nintendo's Strategy is working I'd say.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 05, 2006, 03:56:08 AM
Yes, too bad the third party sales aren't better.

Wii Play probably got a boost from coming with a remote.  I don't remember the exact price, but I think it was a good deal for anyone who wanted a second controller.  Even so, nice numbers.

The hardware numbers are a little lower than I thought, can anyone confirm that Japan got 400,000 units?  Hopefully they sell out by the end of the week.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2006, 04:08:45 AM
There's no doubt every Wii sold out within hours on day one, or at the very latest by day 2. 400,000 was an estimate.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 05, 2006, 04:59:36 AM
NPD preview
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November 2006 Video Game Sales Preview: Expect 12% Sales Growth

 We expect November U.S. retail video game console software sales data to be released after market close on Thursday, December 7. We forecast sales of $785 million, up 12% compared to last year.

Due to relatively light supply of next generation PS3 and Wii consoles, we do not expect next generation software sales to be greater than current generation sales in November or December.

We expect November sales to be driven by new releases Nintendo’s The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii), Square Enix’s Final Fantasy XII (PS2), Microsoft’s Gears of War (360), Take-Two’s GTA: Vice City Stories (PSP), Electronic Arts’ Need for Speed Carbon (360, PS2, Xbox, PC, PSP, GBA, DS, GC, PS3, Wii), Activision’s Call of Duty 3 (PS2, 360, PS3, Xbox, Wii) and Guitar Hero II (PS2), and THQ’s WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2007 (PS2, 360), along with a slew of launch title games for the PS3 and Wii. We note that 13 games sold over 100,000 units in October, and we expect 23 in November (compared to 21 last year).
Resistance PS3 is nowhere to found I told you PS3 didn't really have a HYPED-UP title to buy for the system like Zelda for Wii or GoW for 360.
 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 05, 2006, 05:13:44 AM
Actually, that's an interesting point (don't know if it was serious or not) - Sony really didn't hype Resistance very much.

That said, Sony also didn't sell enough systems.  Zelda sold almost 1:1, but I think that's pretty unusual for a system with a decent number of launch games.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2006, 03:22:51 PM
According to 3rd party PS3 developers, they have to sell 500,000 games just to break even. Which means EVERY company that made a PS3 game is going to lose a LOT of money this year. There's no way Sony can sell much more than 500,000 systems total by the end of the year, if that, and the software tie-in is barely 1:2, everyone is totally screwed. Look for the PS3 to be dead within 2 years. Even Sony's losing hundreds for every system they sell - it's lose-lose for everyone involved, except for the eBayers.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlkPaladin on December 05, 2006, 03:57:28 PM
No what is bad is that most titles only sell on average 350k-500k units so at best a company would break even making games for the PS3 if they are not a big company that can hurt.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: zakkiel on December 05, 2006, 04:08:16 PM
I'm far from prepared to forecast complete doom for the PS3. Blu-Ray is still a huge unknown quantity here, and launch games aren't going to stop selling just because the launch window closes. Plus, the PS brand is strong enough that there's still massive demand for the system, bad pricing, horrible marketing, lack of games, and all. But I can't see any way Sony won't lose a lot of marketshare this generation.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 05, 2006, 04:28:49 PM
The drop in eBay prices shows that the demand is nearly as high as it was before the system was released. Also, demand doesn't do any good when there's no supply.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on December 05, 2006, 04:44:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Brandogg
The drop in eBay prices shows that the demand is nearly as high as it was before the system was released. Also, demand doesn't do any good when there's no supply.


Wait, is or isn't? Anyway, eBay is such a small micro example that it doesn't really hold any water in terms of general demand or opinion. Still, interesting to note that regardless though.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 06, 2006, 02:04:37 AM
There's been about 20,000 PS3s sold on eBay, that's about 8-9% of the total US sales.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 06, 2006, 03:08:18 AM
I think PS3 would have to tank really hard for Sony to dump it.  The system is too much a part of Sony's Blu-ray plans, not to mention Playstation itself has been Sony's biggest brand over the past decade.  I don't think Sony will give either of those up in just two years.

I could see PS3 being Sony's last console, though, and I could definitely see it being killed off early in order to bring PS4 to market sooner.  Like zakkiel said, the one thing that's for certain is Sony will lose marketshare this generation.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Athrun Zala on December 06, 2006, 10:43:07 AM
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Originally posted by: ryancoke
NO GUNDAM GAME HAS EVER BEEN ANY GOOD!!!
LIES

Endless Duel was cool, as was Battle Assault 2 on PSX...

but SideStory, Climax UC and the VS series are all kinds of awesome....
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on December 06, 2006, 01:41:08 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I think PS3 would have to tank really hard for Sony to dump it.  The system is too much a part of Sony's Blu-ray plans, not to mention Playstation itself has been Sony's biggest brand over the past decade.  I don't think Sony will give either of those up in just two years.

I could see PS3 being Sony's last console, though, and I could definitely see it being killed off early in order to bring PS4 to market sooner.  Like zakkiel said, the one thing that's for certain is Sony will lose marketshare this generation.


I think overall Sony was in a better position before the Playstation then afterwards.  As a whole.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 07, 2006, 03:49:34 AM
Definitely as a whole Sony was better off back in the day.  I was reading over some articles about Playstation 2 and I was surprised to find it has had its share of financial problems.  Most notably when the Yen became strong in 2003, it hit Sony quite hard (Nintendo too, actually) and also around launch time Sony had a lot of problems.  I recall the original Playstation was quoted as being responsible for nearly 1/3 of Sony's profit at its peak.  I imagine PS2 has also been profitable, but you may be right, Sony may already be experiencing a decline in the video game market.

That said, Sony's had even more trouble in other electronics markets. IPod nearly obliterated Sony's portable music market and Samsung has apparently taken a lot of Sony's TV market.  I think the electronics industry in general has seen a lot of change in the past few years as digital cameras, portable DVD players, Cell phones and handheld computers all allowed relative unknowns to make a mark.

I still don't see Sony dumping PS3 very easily, but I suppose it could happen.  It would require a sudden shift in Sony's overall business strategy, I'd say.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ryancoke on December 07, 2006, 04:07:14 AM
Wow, if sony dumped PS3 I can't imagine how pissed those bozos who spent $2000+ on it would be!  Suckers.....
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 07, 2006, 04:52:57 AM
Sometimes bozos are such bozos they don't even know or care what's going on!  I know one guy who traded an old (but still good) TV for an Xbox 360 a year ago and he still hasn't even played it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ryancoke on December 07, 2006, 10:29:36 AM
My brother in law's buddy bought a second Xbox360 for some reason. He still hasn't opened it.  Very strange.  Although this is the same guy who build a lego Star Wars Star Destroyer that's bigger than his kitchen table and it's just sitting in one of his bedrooms. Some people just have too much time on their hands...  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: willie1234 on December 07, 2006, 11:53:42 AM
via kotaku -
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14685

npd - November, 2006

ds - 918,000
ps2 - 664,000
gameboy - 641,000
360 - 511,000
Wii -  476,000
Ps3 - 197,000

ps2 still going strong!

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on December 07, 2006, 12:25:12 PM
Zelda had an 87% attach rate...that's amazing.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Amodaus1 on December 07, 2006, 01:18:50 PM
Its been a long while, but I honestly believe that nintendo is in a good position to restore some of its market share and regain some 3rd party support.

The ps2 is still dominating all consoles, but i'm 100% sure if the wii had more units it would have surpased the ps2's sales. The 360 looks like it sold like crap. 500K in november WITH your killer app released in the same month. Thats weak. Although gears took number 1 in software, it did so in it's first 2 weeks, that means it probably won't be moving anymore 360's.

Anyone know if the 360 has ever managed to overtake the ps2?
And seriously, the ps2 and gba are monsters, they must have hit well over the saturation point, but god damn are they still selling like mad.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2006, 01:24:58 PM
I'm pretty sure the NPD numbers are wrong, especially since Wal-Mart is not included. I believe Nintendo when they say they sold 660,000+ systems in the 1st week.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Bill Aurion on December 07, 2006, 01:26:42 PM
Wal-mart is never included in NPD's numbers (Unlike Media Crate in Japan, the NPD isn't a complete list of retailers...)
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Amodaus1 on December 07, 2006, 01:27:14 PM
I think they sold +600K after they resupplied, i think the initial batch was less then 600K

Either way NPD "estimates" for all non-covered data, this includes on-line stores and wal-mart
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on December 07, 2006, 02:36:59 PM
They sold 600K in North America, NPD just covers the US. So you figure 475,000 in the US means probably 100,00 in Canada and 25,000 in Mexico (or 75/50). Sounds reasonable to me. And don't forget they only count full weeks, so this just covers the Wii's first 7 days.

They also had an average attach rate of 2 (rounded of course) which is amazing since WiiSports comes with it (not included in the attach rate).
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2006, 02:54:11 PM
Oh yeah, forgot it was total NA sales. Isn't Mexico Central America?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Amodaus1 on December 07, 2006, 03:06:43 PM
nope. Its NA. So is central america, its part of the north american continent.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on December 07, 2006, 03:42:49 PM
NPD extrapolates to get their figures..

Wow, the DS is a monster.. I would have given up on the North American market if Mario and the DS Lite didn't affect sales much, but since May North America has finally caught on to the phenomenon.

The tie-in ratio is just amazing.. Sony should really worry about this - as the PSP has shown them, software sales are horrible if you put the focus on multimedia. Zelda at 86% with so many other titles available? That's crazy..

And yeah, the 360 sales are dismal, and way below expected sales. Even though Gears of War sold well, it shows that most of target market of those sorts of games has already bought a 360. Microsoft needs to find a way to expand their market.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Athrun Zala on December 07, 2006, 03:51:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Amodaus1
nope. Its NA. So is central america, its part of the north american continent.
no it isn't, that it's called "Central America" and not "north America" as well

mind you that the 600000+ figure that Nintendo mentioned was for ALL America (yeah, including Central and South America), so the the fact that there are 125000+ "missing" from the US numbers sounds about right....
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on December 07, 2006, 04:09:42 PM
There is no Central American continent. It's simply a region. Central America is in North America.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: WuTangTurtle on December 07, 2006, 04:10:11 PM
I think Microsoft may see a little extra growth after the holidays, I know a lot of peopl that have been waiting for atleast a handful of games for the 360 before buying it.  I think some of those people will buckle under the pressure of Gears of War, Dead Rising, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Oblivion, and Fight Night.

(Note:  all said games tend to fit a certain demographic, and won't expand their market.)

However I do agree If Microsoft doesn't do something soon their market will never really grow much at all.  If Microsoft employee's keep saying how much they love Nintendo and hate Sony maybe they should steal a page or two from Nintendo and come out with a game that is unique and unexpected.  Blue Dragon in Japan was a good attempt but we haven't seen how that has worked out yet.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on December 07, 2006, 08:09:55 PM
Interestingly enough, the XBox 360 is tracking at about the same rate as the XBox did! It's only about... oh... 6% better than the XBox 1's performace, and definitely tracking behind equivalent PS2 numbers.

But don't forget Lost Planet on the XBox 360! Sure to expand MS's market beyond Space Marines to Giant Insect Alien aficionados!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on December 07, 2006, 08:28:03 PM
Necro Nesia will steal the hardcore Giant Insect crowd away from the 360.

PS2 and Gameboy numbers are insane. Sony should have just milked the PS2 for another year or three. Gameboy could last another year in the US at this rate.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UncleBob on December 08, 2006, 01:02:00 AM
As per the GameBoy numbers - remember, both Toys R Us and Wal*Mart had those cheap-ass Game Boy Micros for $35-$40.  This would help account for why they were so large.

However, GameBoy Advanc e SPs are still selling quite well, despite my efforts to talk everyone into getting DSLites.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 08, 2006, 02:48:13 AM
I think Blue Dragon may make a small difference in North America.  It's obviously designed to appeal to the traditional Japanese RPG set, and Rare is finally starting to offer some less "mature" titles for the system too.

I'm not going to predict any big changes for Microsoft, but with PS3 charging way more for similar gaming capabilities and PS2 languishing, games like these might attract a few Sony fans to the 360 next year.  As someone who doesn't fit Microsoft's target demographic at all, I'm already finding Xbox 360 a little more interesting than Xbox, and I'm a lot more interested in it than PS3.  (I'd still buy a PS2 before either of these systems, though).

Edit: And let's not forget the post-launch drought effect.  Sony's lineup is going to continue looking like poo for months and Nintendo's looks weak too (though third parties have yet to announce games for next year).  360, meanwhile, should have a good amount of software all the way through next year.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on December 08, 2006, 06:32:53 AM
I think the GameCube in the US proved that the occasional genre game isn't enough to attract a new crowd. This applying to Blue Dragon in Japan.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on December 08, 2006, 08:06:47 AM
From the information and posts in this neogaf NPD thread I'm thinking our best guesses for Wii Software sales are the following:

Zelda: TP ......................... ~412k (NPD sourced)
Red Steel ......................... ~107k (unknown source)
Super Monkey Ball .............. 50k < ~ x < 107k (guess) (let's assume 70k for no reason whatsoever) (confirmed third though by Gamespot)
Rayman: RR .................... ~ 50k (guess)
CoD 3 ............................. ~ 48k (NPD sourced)
Madden '07 ..................... ~ 45k (unknown source)

Total Guesses: ................ ~ 732k (VERY INACCURATE BY NOW)

Using NPD's tie-ratio of 2.1 and NPD's hardware numbers of 476k for the USA......

Total Wii Software Guess: ~  999.6k (VERY INACCURATE BY NOW)

Sales left for the Wii's other launch titles, including Trauma Center, DBZ BT2, Excite Truck, TH: DJ, and others:
......................................... ~ 267.6k (EXTREMELY INACCURATE BY NOW)

Anyone else gathered enough information to guess or seen educated guesses from others?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  

edit: applied some more guesses and data from IGN.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on December 08, 2006, 09:10:15 AM
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Originally posted by: UncleBob

However, GameBoy Advanc e SPs are still selling quite well, despite my efforts to talk everyone into getting DSLites.
Well, if Jimmy and Bobby want to play multiplayer GBA games together, they can't use a DS. Also, money speaks... $50 less is a big difference to the parents if even if their kids only want to play single player GBA games. Since if they want DS games eventually, or badly enough, they can just work for one doing their paper routes, mow lawns, or just be good kids and get straight A's.

If they want a GBA I wouldn't try to push a DS on them. A GBA sale does not mean a lost DS sale, just a delayed one, and with nearly 1 million DS sales in November you don't have to worry about the DS not selling well.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on December 08, 2006, 04:43:46 PM
IGN seems positive on the Wii's software performance:

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Sales of Wii software were quite strong, despite being released in the latter half of the month.
...
Sales of third-party games on the Wii were surprisingly solid for the month, which will hopefully bode well for the future of third-party support on the console.


And their list of the top 10 Wii titles in terms of sales:
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  1. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
  2. Red Steel
  3. Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
  4. Rayman Raving Rabbids
  5. Call of Duty 3
  6. Madden NFL 07
  7. Trauma Center Second Opinion
  8. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
  9. Excite Truck
 10. Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2


~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 08, 2006, 05:59:20 PM
Kind of dissapointing to see ExciteTruck at the bottom, I would have thought it was going to do better.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on December 09, 2006, 05:15:41 AM
It's because everyone wanted Zelda and Red Steel first.  I see Excite Truck selling better in December and beyond.  Or it just might be too simplistic for people to think it's worth $50.  Maybe at $30 people could justify buying it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on December 09, 2006, 11:33:09 AM
Because Americans just don't like racing even when it's trucks! I'm very glad Rayman did well.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 09, 2006, 12:03:27 PM
I bought Zelda & Rayman, but I still don't have a Wii

They should have an Older Gamers Sales Day or something, for those of us that have time/desire to wait out in the could for 6-8 hours b4 a store opens just to make a purchase.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on December 09, 2006, 02:10:37 PM
I bought Zelda and Rayman with my Wii.  I decided those be the games.  I'm sort of surprised Rayman didn't beat Super Monkey Ball.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on December 09, 2006, 06:08:42 PM
Both of the games I have are low on that list. I bought Trauma Center and DBZ BT2. I am very plased with both games ^^ Monkey Ball, Elebits, and Pangya are next on my list... Gotta support those 3rd parties!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 09, 2006, 06:56:12 PM
I was also thinking about picking up Red Steel and DBZ, but was having second thoughts about DBZ. Does it really hold it weight as a fighter & do the fighting mechanics work or are they kinda awkward like some of the previous ones?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 09, 2006, 07:23:20 PM
I haven't played it but from what I've heard the fighting engine is pretty mediocre.  But if you and your friends are DBZ fans it's supposed to be pretty fun for parties.  So the only reason I see for anyone to buy it would be if they're a huge DBZ fan, and even then, wait until the price drops.  

Games like this aren't worth buying at full price unless they actually have a good fighting engine to go with it.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on December 09, 2006, 09:20:29 PM
I did not enjoy the Budokai games so much, but Sparking Neo (or BT2 in US) is great fun. The fighting engine feels very fresh and pretty deep to me (10x better than the previous games). Seeing the screenshots, I wasn't expecting much but man was I sure in for a surprise! The Wiimote setup works wonders with the game (you can use a classic or GCN controller, but after using the Wiimote the old method feels very dated). I play fighting games alot so this was a very nice change of pace for me (a breath of fresh air). I'd say this is the best DBZ fighting game since Hyer Dimension on the SNES.

It took me some time getting used to it, but doing the motions of the Kamehameha or Genki Dama and seeing the super connect on screen is very fun!

This was also the first time I had to go into a training mode and learn how to play before being able to defeat the beginning computer players. Everything about this game feels different from what I have become accustomed to in conventional 2D and even 3D fighters. I'm enjoying it, and I feel many others would too, but I think the anime franchise scares many away because of the general belief that all movie/anime franchise games are poorly designed (which in most cases is probably true, but thats not the case with DBZ:BT2 imo).
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UncleBob on December 10, 2006, 02:19:30 AM
Is it crazy or just too early to tell...

According to the numbers provided by the NexGenWars.com site, Wii already has 12.9% of the market.  In less than 1/10th of the time that the 360 has been out.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 10, 2006, 05:51:55 AM
Isn't that what some analysts were predicting its lifetime share to be?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Darc Requiem on December 11, 2006, 02:52:53 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I was also thinking about picking up Red Steel and DBZ, but was having second thoughts about DBZ. Does it really hold it weight as a fighter & do the fighting mechanics work or are they kinda awkward like some of the previous ones?


After reading several reviews I decided to pick DBZ up and I'm not disappointed. The game is fun and it as the best single player experience in a fighting game that I can recall. The whole DBZ and blech...DBGT storyline is pretty much crammed into the single player mode. The game even has the story for a lot of the movies in it as well. Plus there are a few alternate scenarios. They don't go real in depth with those but they are a nice touch. I do wish they would have called Hercule by his REAL name though. If they didn't want to call him Mr. Satan. The could have at least gave his named the scramble treatment like Videl (Devil). I rather him be called Mr. Natas, Mr. Sanat or Mr. Tanas etc. than Hercule....bah. I also did the attribute customization and the fighting system captures the feel of the series. The standard controls are easier to grasp but the Wii-mote controls are Much more enjoyable.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on December 11, 2006, 03:04:46 AM
I might rent this one.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Athrun Zala on December 11, 2006, 03:23:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Darc Requiem
(lots of DBZ: BT2 stuff)
does the game have Japanese VO?
if it does... it's a contender for "game to buy alongisde the Wii"...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Darc Requiem on December 11, 2006, 04:00:39 AM
I haven't checked the sound options personally but, I read in the reviews of the game that did does have both the English and Japanese voice actors. I personally can't stand Goku or Gohan's Japanese Voice Acting. Its obvious that they are voiced by women. I don't mind so much for Gohan's younger incarnations but he shouldn't be sounding like Mickey Mouse as a senior in H.S. heh
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ghisy on December 11, 2006, 05:31:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
does the game have Japanese VO?

I can confirm it does!! w00t!
I remember asking some guy at the Nintendo World Store in NYC and he was like "no, I think it only includes the VA". Dude, sorry but you lose!

 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: segagamer12 on December 11, 2006, 06:12:40 AM
DBZ:BT2 was the first game I got and it has been all I need. I got red steel but havent put much time into due ot BDZ. ITS PERFECT.  I am a HUGE fighting game fan and I ws SO worried this genre would turnout lame on Wii but I am so convinced now that fighting games will be MORE fun on Wii than even arcades.

Like has been mentioned you get the ENTIRE story, and a pretty good control sceme. It plays very well. My only complaint is when using Classic Controller or GC controller the bottons are backwards, tehy went iwth the regular controll set up for that and the screan will say Press A but in stead you press Y.


Other than that the game is cool. You get plenty of control options but the Wii remtoe and Nunchuk are definatley the way to go.

My next game to get for Wii is goignt o be Rampage and then either COD3 or Splinter Cell.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 11, 2006, 12:39:26 PM
So DBZ:BT2 does contain the original Japanese voice work.  Well this game is a definate buy for me now, of course I'm still going to wait for a price drop.

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I personally can't stand Goku or Gohan's Japanese Voice Acting. Its obvious that they are voiced by women.


I think it depends on what was the first voice people heard Goku with.  I notice alot of people who first saw DBZ through the dub where Goku had a manly voice can't stand his original Japanese voice.  But for people like me who heard Goku's original voice before ever seeing the dub, Masako Nozawa IS Goku.  She's done his voice from the very begining back when Dragon Ball first air back in 1986 and has matched Goku and his personality perfectly.  

To listen to Goku without her voice to me would be like listening to Homer without Dan Castellaneta voicing him, it just doesn't sound right.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on December 11, 2006, 12:45:51 PM
Rampage was much better in 2D.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 12, 2006, 04:43:56 AM
Wii = fastest selling home console in UK ever
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Last week, Nintendo announced that consumers snapped up 50,000 Wii units within 12 hours of the console going on sale.

The tills continued to ring over the next two days, making the Wii the first console to sell more than 100,000 units during its opening weekend.

Of the 14 software titles launching with the Wii, six made it into the all-formats top 40 - including Zelda, which debuted at number 5. Other popular titles included Wii Play and Ubisoft's Red Steel.
It was also a great week for Nintendo's handheld, with around 110,000 DS units sold, and 14 games in the top 40.


So basically Wii sold 105k in its opening weekend and between the Wii & DS Nintendo has 20 of the UK Top 40 sofware titles.

and just for comparison sake, Wii sales in one weekend = about 10% GC LTD sales in  the UK

 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on December 12, 2006, 12:45:22 PM
Man I wish DBZ had the original Japanese soundtrack to go along with the Japanese voices, its so much better than the weak generic soundtrack they have in the game.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 12, 2006, 01:03:15 PM
Since when did this thread become hijacked by Dragon Ball Z fans?  Is the world about to end?  Are we in the tribulation?  Where was the trumpet.  Please tell me there will be a Trumpet before it gets any worse!!!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: segagamer12 on December 12, 2006, 01:11:16 PM
:blows trumpet:


DBZ Rules and its on the Wii so it there fore must be what is selling the Wii. yes Nintendo is on top sony is dieing it surely is the end of the world
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Darc Requiem on December 12, 2006, 04:56:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
So DBZ:BT2 does contain the original Japanese voice work.  Well this game is a definate buy for me now, of course I'm still going to wait for a price drop.

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I personally can't stand Goku or Gohan's Japanese Voice Acting. Its obvious that they are voiced by women.


I think it depends on what was the first voice people heard Goku with.  I notice alot of people who first saw DBZ through the dub where Goku had a manly voice can't stand his original Japanese voice.  But for people like me who heard Goku's original voice before ever seeing the dub, Masako Nozawa IS Goku.  She's done his voice from the very begining back when Dragon Ball first air back in 1986 and has matched Goku and his personality perfectly.  

To listen to Goku without her voice to me would be like listening to Homer without Dan Castellaneta voicing him, it just doesn't sound right.


Thats not the case with me. I just plain don't like male characters sounding like women. Well, if its for comedic effect its fine but I find it grating otherwise. Seriously can't stand the sucked on helium voice Goku has in the Japanese voice tracks. I didn't even like how high pitched Goku's voice was in the Ocean original English dub of season one. It didn't bother me with Gohan until the Buu Saga.

Of course DBZ got less enjoyable to me as it went through each saga. My two favorite characters are Piccolo and Ten Shin Han. Ten Shin Han is pretty much worthless from the beginning of DBZ and Piccolo's last hurrah was during the Cell Saga. Not to mention the fact that Gohan's character seemed to get the shaft after the Cell Saga. I seriously think Toriyama altered his out come for DBZ because of the Japanese hatred of Gohan. I know he originally intended to end DBZ with the Goku vs. Frieza battle but continued to produce the manga because of the rabid fan base. In DBZ it seems that Toriyama was slowly trying to hand off the reigns from Goku to Gohan over time but he seemed to bend to the will of the fans but that is another topic completely. Jeez sorry for the rant guys.

Okay something Wii related. In Europe DBZ: BT2 is getting 6 new characters and 1 new background. Also 105,000 Wii's were sold in the UK.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on December 12, 2006, 08:46:05 PM
DBZ:BT2 has become my most played Wii game! I'm putting roughly 5 hours a day on this game and before this I would only spend 30min-1hr on average. You don't even have to be a DBZ fan to enjoy this game, best fighting game I've played in a loooong time (definately the best 3D fighting game I've EVER played). Apparently the UK ver will get six(?) new characters not found in the US ver... (not sure about JP).

edit just saw Darc Requiem's last sentence (he beat me to it).
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Strell on December 12, 2006, 09:03:25 PM
All I want to say re: voices in DBZ is that the first original American cast was absolute perfection in my humble opinion, and their legacy is destroyed by the second cast that took over when it failed to be a hit pre-Cartoon Network days.  I reco'nize I am probably in the minority here, but every voice was so distinctive and had TONS of inflection, with remarkable one-liners in a cheesy "you HAVE to love it, it's so bad" sort of way.  From Tien's "This cowboy's goin' for one last ride!" to Goku's "Whooooaaaa beans give me problems!" I seriously think it is one of the best works by an American cast for an anime in a long, long time.

That said, boo-urns to UK getting more stuff in their version.  I was going to pick up it up, but it seems like I might as well wait until I can either find it used or for what is probably an inevitable sequel.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on December 12, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
I'm with you 100% on this Strell. The Pioneer dub of DBZ was perfect, it wasn't until Funimation took over that they got Chris Sabbat (however you spell his name) and he pretty much single handedly ruined the dub DB (he did Vegeta, Piccolo, and pretty much everyone else's voice...along with casting the rest of the voice actors I am told. The man is probably the worst dub I've heard in an anime... he botches Vegeta so badly >< ).  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Strell on December 12, 2006, 09:35:57 PM
It was so disheartening to be back in high school when I finally found out new episodes of DBZ were going to air.  My friends and I, for the period it wasn't on CN (which I guess was about a two year span) would religiously wake up at about 6 AM on Saturday (or just not go to sleep altogether) in order to watch our new episode of DBZ, which was (at the time) only shown once a week.  At 6 you got a re-run from the previous week, and at 6:30 you got a new episode.  There's a chance it was 6:30/7:00 respectively, but it doesn't really matter.  Point is that it came on EARLY and ONCE A WEEK, and if you wanted to see how something was goin' down, it took some dedication.

So when CN gets the episodes and announces new ones, I was giddy with excitement.  Then the new episode airs - it was during the Frieza saga, and was immediately after Goku beat Racoome, when Jace and (purple dude) start attacking Goku, and the voices were SO TERRIBLE.  And the music was SO TERRIBLE.  

None of it compared to the first run, where they took so much time and effort to deliver an excellent voice recording and wonderfully addictive music.  I didn't mind the editting so much - there were massive lengths taken to get rid of blood, mature ways for people to die, Vegeta always saying "I'm sending you to the next dimension" instead of "I'm killing you," etc etc etc - simply because the presentation and delivery was executed perfectly, with impeccable attention to detail.

After a while I resolved myself to simply watch the new episodes and sort of "get over" the new voices, and after a while I almost did, but I seriously give thought to how it would have turned out if the original crew stayed in control.  They even went as far as to edit out some of the nonsense that DBZ is so full of, boiling down the story to a slightly-more palatable/more consumable morsel, instead of the random assortments of crap I tended to see when the second crew re-dubbed the first couple of seasons.

But yea, it was a total shock/disappointment.  I was just CRINGING when I watched that first episode, and had to call my friend immediately and bitch about "OMFG THEY CHANGED THE VOICES???"  Which was something I had feared when they ran commercials, because they sounded a bit different....

I mean, Goku's new voice worked for the most part, and occassionally the other characters actually had....character in them, but they simple cannot compare.  You do not compare to Brian Drummond as Vegeta.  There's really no other way to express it.  

And yea, Hocotate, that was the impression I got from the new cast - "Wtf, are there like 2 people voicing EVERYONE now?"  

Anyway, yea, something that hits me a more personal note than most other things, and I realize it is so simple and stupid that I shouldn't care, but it was a travesty and absolutely a kick in the guts.  

I sometimes fantasize about the episodes all being with the original cast.  If that were the case, they'd be sitting on my DVD shelf right now.  DBZ is the perfect slice of anime cheese for me, and when you had such incredibly sharp writing and voices as the original cast, I can't imagine anyone looking for a bit of mindless fun not enjoying the show.

Anyway, yea, enough off-topic ranting for me.  It's good to know some other people out there enjoy the original cast.  I almost threw up when I saw a review on Amazon.com from some punk kid saying re: the original DVDs "don't get these, they suck, cuz there's no blood in them and you don't want people like Krillin saying gosh goku this sure is hard to do!"  Stupid kids.  Can't understand how amazing the original cast was...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2006, 12:43:07 AM
I don't mean to de-rail this DBZ thread but I wasn't sure where to post this Wii sales info.

www.nintendo.co.uk
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As the must-have product for the festive season Wii was an instant hit. Attracting vast crowds and selling out in stores all over Europe in just a matter of hours, a breathtaking 325,000 units were sold in the first two days making it the fastest selling home console in history.

Demand for Wii has been so great that shops all over Europe had large queues forming outside for up to three days before the launch and hundreds of shops opened their doors at midnight on launch day to allow gamers to get their hands on Wii. After just one weekend on sale, shops across Europe sold out of Wii consoles and daily shipments are now arriving across Europe to replenish stock.

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess proved to be a favourite for avid gamers, with 240,000 copies snapped up over launch weekend in Europe, representing 74% of all hardware purchasers. Wii Play was also a big hit with over 50% of people buying the game (which includes a Wii Remote) along with their Wii console.

~

Wii mania in Europe follows the phenomenal success of Nintendo’s console in the Americas and Japan, where over a million units have been sold in just three weeks. In the Americas, where the console launched on the 19th of November, 600,000 consoles were sold in the first 8 days from launch. The Japanese launch saw similar success with around 400,000 units being shipped to stores for launch day and selling out during the first morning on sale. After just a few days of sales in Europe the Wii seems to be achieving similar success.

While Wii enjoyed a hugely successful launch, Nintendo DS also had a record-breaking week with 515,000 units sold across Europe last week, which is not only the highest week's sales since the console’s launch but also the most any console across all formats has ever sold in a week! Nintendo’s handheld phenomenon has taken Europe by storm since its release in March 2005, with over 8.5 million consoles now sold across Europe.

Well it looks like Nintendo can do no wrong right now(except not make enough of these damn Wii's), I wonder how many developers are scrambling to get software ready for Wii now that its about to take off. Looks like Nintendo is well on its way to taking its throne as the king of gaming.

and for those that are wondering, this put Wiiat about 1.3 Million for WW launch #'s and if shipments keep up easisly at 2.5 Million WW before the end of December. Thats around a 3rd of Xbox 360 WW #'s in less than a month.

This also puts DS at a whopping 30+ Million sold WW, and people wonder why SE is putting DQIX on the DS.... it wouldn't make sense to put it anywhere else. The DS is moving on to be not only the fastest selling gaming "console" of all time, but the one with the highest overall installed base too.

edit: Zelda: TP is now offically at more than 1 Million sold WW too.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Athrun Zala on December 13, 2006, 01:14:00 AM
it's amazing how well the Wii is selling!
I mean, I didn't expect it to sell so well right from the getgo...

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Originally posted by: Ghisy
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Originally posted by: Athrun Zala
does the game have Japanese VO?

I can confirm it does!! w00t!
I remember asking some guy at the Nintendo World Store in NYC and he was like "no, I think it only includes the VA". Dude, sorry but you lose!
awesome

and regarding the voices....I prefer the Japanese ones over the English ones and Spanish ones, although the latter were pretty good actually (even more considering it was completely unedited)
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 13, 2006, 02:37:10 AM
In a way I expected Wii to do even better than this - because I expected Nintendo to ship 4 million instead of 2.5 million.  However, I didn't expect those 4 million to get snapped up as fast as Nintendo could release them, I just figured they'd sell at a reasonable pace.  Now it seems like they actually would sell as fast as Nintendo can release them.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on December 13, 2006, 07:44:40 AM
So... Nintendo... can you resupply?

And will your Q2 2007 lineup get hardcore gamers excited like your Q1 lineup?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on December 13, 2006, 08:51:34 AM
One of the EB Games here (in Toronto) still has people lined up 2 hours before opening every single day (7AM).
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on December 13, 2006, 09:44:54 AM
Wow, BnM's whole post brings tears to my eyes

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And will your Q2 2007 lineup get hardcore gamers excited like your Q1 lineup?
I'm not worried about that at all - look at Nintendo's unreleased games..
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: odifiend on December 13, 2006, 10:35:20 AM
If Nintendo is unlike Sony in that they count actual sales instead of ship units, current sales figures might be deflated.  Still Wii-less (), I'm asking a lot of questions at local retails.  I keep getting told similar stories once we get past the "No one knows when we'll get more."  I keep hearing that retailers get shipments weekly but several plan to do advertised relaunches before xmas.  It might be that an accurate picture of the Nintendo's demand (and competence, for those questioning) will be available after the 25th.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 13, 2006, 11:27:11 AM
I actually expected Nintendo Wii to do this good and better.  I predict 2007 will be the year of the Wii and Nintendo, and it will sell extremely well.  But I believe either late 2007 or early to mid 2008 Wii sales will start to drop significantly as the PS3 and Xbox 360 begin to really push their upper limits of graphical power.  

Then I unfortunately predict a steady decline for Nintendo.  The Wii will have been a huge success probably doubling the Gamecube sales in just one year, and 3rd parties will continue to make games for the system, but it just won't be as steady of sales for Wii for the rest of its lifecycle.

I hope I am wrong...but that is my realistic prediction.

As for all this Dragon Ball Z talk.  I hate the show.  It takes way too long to tell a single story...with a single fight taking 5-10 episodes (slight exaggeration) and the english voices and narrator is annoying and obnixious.  

However, I really want to try this Dragon Ball Z game out.  Is it good with the Wii controller?  better with the classic?

And after you answer this question...please let this thread go back to Sales.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on December 13, 2006, 11:58:58 AM
If the current graphics in games like gears of war don't stop people from buying Wii I doubt the slight upgrade in the future will.  I see all kinds of sites predicting that Wii will start to be over taken because of graphics in the future and I think it is bullcrap.  If the graphics aren't stopping people now I certainly don't think it will in the future.  Besides both Wii graphics and motion control will be improved as well.  I think this prediction is just a slightly more cautious version of everyone who said the DS would fail.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlkPaladin on December 13, 2006, 12:36:40 PM
I watched the entire series of Z, and I basically lost interest after the Friesa Saga. When you have a fight that 30 episodes long with 10 of them flash backs. (A little exageration but the combined Friesa fight did take about 30 episodes, I own all 300+ episodes, just because I happened on them cheep.

As for the Wii it will be like the DS, the DS still hasn't reached its sales plateau as of yet, especially in Japan, and usally you reach the plateau before the half way point of it life which is in 6 months.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Sessha on December 13, 2006, 09:17:03 PM
Hmm referring to your question about the DBZ game.  I would rent it first and see if you want to buy it.  The learning curve with the Nunchuk and remote takes a long time (Not like Red Steel it's just really really complicated no real control problems after a while it becomes second nature) Although it's more satisfying firing a kamehameha then one of those other point to  one side of the tv and bring it back to the middle energy attacks.   The story mode is well the story no changes really although the cutscenes are really bad.  They saved a lot of money on those.  I haven't tried it with gamecube controller, because I don't think there is a button layout in the manual.  But using the remote won't tire you out and it's always more fun with the remote anyway.  If your a fan of DBZ then of course your going to like this.  But if not a little try before you buy ^-^  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on December 14, 2006, 02:04:05 AM
Spak-Spang:  If the show just takes to long with fights for ya, which it actually does for me, I seriously consider reading the Manga.  Fights go much quicker because you sort of skim through the pictures.  I enjoyed it when I had my Shounin Jump Subscription.  Also Sandland is really good to even if it's just one book.

Ummm... Wii Sales...  I think Nintendo will have Version 2 of the Wii ready before the graphics become a problem.  I think that the Wii hardware will have a short lifecycle say ~3-4 years.  At that point Nintendo will have learned enough to make the super Beefy Wii2.  Which won't disappoint in the graphics and processor area, maybe even use the successor to flash internal to boot.  They'll mantain full backward compatibility, controllers and all, and that will be the system that Nintendo will bank on for at least 6 years.  With different redesigns and the like through that lifetime, become smaller, getting optical out, etc.
 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 14, 2006, 02:24:46 AM
IGN says Wii sets weekend sales record in Australia - but it's only 32,901 for Wii to 30,000 for Xbox 360.  PS3 can probably break that again if Sony actually has enough supply.

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(SixthAngel) If the current graphics in games like gears of war don't stop people from buying Wii I doubt the slight upgrade in the future will. I see all kinds of sites predicting that Wii will start to be over taken because of graphics in the future and I think it is bullcrap. If the graphics aren't stopping people now I certainly don't think it will in the future.


QFT!  The fact is, no matter how good PSP's graphics get, it will never outsell DS.  Not only that - here's the delicious part - a PSP2 with even better graphics won't outsell the DS either.  Why?  Because PSP already has much better graphics than DS and nobody cares!  It would have to offer similar features to DS or preferably something brand-new.

If Nintendo keeps this pace up with Wii, it will be almost the same thing.  Graphics will be a proven failure in the face of Wii and no amount of graphical improvement will change that.  Wii will begin to get superior third party support, and gamers that complain about the graphics will be sucked in by the games - just like DS.

What might make a slight difference in the Wii situation is that PS3 and Xbox 360 arguably have a bit more momentum than PSP (especially Xbox 360) plus Microsoft has tons of moneyhat resources.  In the end, though, it won't make a big difference if Nintendo's philosophy strikes a chord with consumers.  Nothing short of a complete re-thinking of the competing strategies will stop Nintendo if Wii disrupts the market like DS did.

Edit: fixed quote tags.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on December 14, 2006, 02:31:14 AM
A piece of Tumbleweed has more momentum then the PSP, and better load times.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 14, 2006, 02:53:41 AM
According to NGW, Wii now has 16.1% of the next-gen market.
http://nexgenwars.com/
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Darc Requiem on December 14, 2006, 03:24:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I actually expected Nintendo Wii to do this good and better.  I predict 2007 will be the year of the Wii and Nintendo, and it will sell extremely well.  But I believe either late 2007 or early to mid 2008 Wii sales will start to drop significantly as the PS3 and Xbox 360 begin to really push their upper limits of graphical power.  

Then I unfortunately predict a steady decline for Nintendo.  The Wii will have been a huge success probably doubling the Gamecube sales in just one year, and 3rd parties will continue to make games for the system, but it just won't be as steady of sales for Wii for the rest of its lifecycle.

I hope I am wrong...but that is my realistic prediction.

As for all this Dragon Ball Z talk.  I hate the show.  It takes way too long to tell a single story...with a single fight taking 5-10 episodes (slight exaggeration) and the english voices and narrator is annoying and obnixious.  

However, I really want to try this Dragon Ball Z game out.  Is it good with the Wii controller?  better with the classic?

And after you answer this question...please let this thread go back to Sales.


The game controls fine with the Wii mote and Nunchuk. It just take a while to get used to. I missed around with the classic controller, to be honest it was easier to pick up (although the lack of any details of how to use conventional controls in the manual was annoying). That said, its not as fun. It something about pulling back your Wii-mote and pushing it forward to hurl a Kamehaha or other energy wave attack that is just satisfying. Sticking with the Wii-mote pays off IMO.

As for DBZ, yeah I can see why the anime could be hated. Toei stretched out the fights, added in pointless filler episodes, etc. The manga is much better. There is now way DBZ should be 290+ episodes. It should be half that amount. Toei was just stretching it out to make more cash. Dragonball GT is completely made up. There is no manga. Toei created that crap to squeeze even more money out of the Dragon Ball license.

As for the original voice actors for the English dub, outside of Goku I think they original cast was better as well. I don't share hatred of the second voice over crew that some of you do though.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Darc Requiem on December 14, 2006, 03:24:29 AM
Wow. Double post. I just realized that there is no delete option on this forum. Hm...guess I'll make use of it. Worldwide sales of the Wii are approximately 1.8 million. The Wii is currently outselling the PS3 3 to 1. The PS3 has just under 600,000 units sold. Which gives it less than a tenth of the 360s userbase. In other words, Sony is pretty much screwed.

 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 14, 2006, 06:32:57 AM
I predicted back in September that the Wii would be hard to get well into the end of the year and I did it in a podcast so I have recorded proof.

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The PS3 has just under 600,000 units sold. Which gives it less than a tenth of the 360s userbase. In other words, Sony is pretty much screwed.


It's things like this which make me think NGW is inaccurate. Simply put, I don't think Sony has made that many consoles, let alone sold them.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Athrun Zala on December 14, 2006, 07:49:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I predicted back in September that the Wii would be hard to get well into the end of the year and I did it in a podcast so I have recorded proof.

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The PS3 has just under 600,000 units sold. Which gives it less than a tenth of the 360s userbase. In other words, Sony is pretty much screwed.


It's things like this which make me think NGW is inaccurate. Simply put, I don't think Sony has made that many consoles, let alone sold them.
NGW has PS3 at ~450k units, the one who has it at ~600k is VGCharts.org (which also has Wii at ~2M instead of ~1.7M)
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 14, 2006, 08:17:04 AM
Ah, I see.

Still, 450k sounds high to me.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 14, 2006, 09:57:40 AM
I think 450K is quite possible.  PS3's Japan sales are around 180,000, and I think North America was 197,000 in November (those are going by Media Create and NPD) so that's 377,000 right there.  I think it's entirely possible Sony sold another 80,000 in North America in the past two weeks, in fact that seems a little low.

Both VGcharts and Nexgenwars are just guessing, though.  You'll notice any time actual figures come out there's a large adjustment to the Nexgenwars figures, and I bet the same happens on VGcharts.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on December 14, 2006, 07:28:44 PM
All these broken records are starting to sound like... broken records

Which is a wonderful thing!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on December 14, 2006, 07:33:16 PM
vgcharts.org is based largely on guesses, rumors and misinformation and should not be taken seriously.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on December 14, 2006, 07:57:33 PM
Mario, can we look forward to your always entertaining sarcasm in this Wii sales thread?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 20, 2006, 04:12:45 PM
If nexgenwars is right...Wii has nearly 17% of the market now. Wii at 1.85 million worldwide. Xbox 360 has been selling like hotcakes as well. PS3 is dead in the water - look at the $10 over retail prices going on eBay. Also, go to your local Wal-Mart and look at the PS3s sitting in the glass case waiting to be bought. Then go back on Saturday night and look at the people camping out for a Wii.
I guess you can technically just look at the image in BnM21's post on the 1st page for sales updates...here it is as well.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UERD on December 20, 2006, 04:57:03 PM
I don't quite see why people are touting graphics in the distant future or the PS3's '10-year lifespan' or whatever. What will computers look like 10 years from now? What did they look like 10 years ago? I can tell you one thing: they'll make all three of the consoles available (or not available) today look like utter crap, in terms of hardware specs. It's been 5 years since GCN was released, maybe 6 since PS2 was released, and the stuff you can play on a decent computer today makes each console look quite dated.

If Nintendo waits 8-10 years to put out a new console, it's doomed regardless...which is why I agree we'll probably see a Wii2 in 5 or less years, or whatever next-generation solution Nintendo decides to cook up next. Honestly, in light of what even mid-level computers with hardware upgrades can put out these days, I think that the most compelling arguments towards consoles in general revolve around the aspects that PCs can't easily duplicate: input mechanisms specialized for gaming, easy setup, same-room multiplayer action. These are aspects upon which the Wii is competing.

Also, graphics improvements will only continue to grow more incremental. It's easier to see the difference between a 100 and 1000-poly model than between one, for example, that has 10000 and another with 5000 or so. I think that art direction is going to play a larger role in the future, an aspect which is less dependent upon hardware capable of rendering more and more photorealistic graphics, and more dependent upon the creative vision of the designer.

And I really hope they don't get backlogged into spring...  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on December 20, 2006, 06:04:59 PM
Well, Zelda is out of the Japan top 30, with two other Wii games in the top 10 it's now safe to conclude that Zelda TP is the biggest flop of all time, not only is it the lowest selling Zelda ever, it has not even surpassed sales of Tingle RPG. To me, this marks the rebirth of real gaming with actual gameplay and while Zelda TP is an amazing "game", if you can call it that, it's the swan song of non-games. Wii Sports is the pioneer of real gaming and has taken the biggest most epic non-game head on and won. The industry is about to get more exciting again!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Caterkiller on December 20, 2006, 06:20:07 PM
Not really sure if Mario is joking like he use to, but I agree with the entire paragraph regardless. It really is wierd to see how Zelda is saling in Japan. I really don't understand one bit, but then again, I thought WW would sell alot more in Japan as well. But still I expected way too much out of WW in Japan.

In Japan I don't expect any PS3, 360, or Wii title to sale like crazy unless its an RPG. Other than that it has to be some quirky new Brain-dog-sports game to sale like nuts. I imagine traditional games will always be big in the US, but in Japan, the it thing right now, is new and quirky(as long as its fun)
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 20, 2006, 06:40:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Not really sure if Mario is joking like he use to, but I agree with the entire paragraph regardless. It really is wierd to see how Zelda is saling in Japan. I really don't understand one bit, but then again, I thought WW would sell alot more in Japan as well. But still I expected way too much out of WW in Japan.

In Japan I don't expect any PS3, 360, or Wii title to sale like crazy unless its an RPG. Other than that it has to be some quirky new Brain-dog-sports game to sale like nuts. I imagine traditional games will always be big in the US, but in Japan, the it thing right now, is new and quirky(as long as its fun)


I think Smash was joking, regardless I have heard that Zelda really is not nearly as popular in Japan as it is in NA or other territories so it isn't a big deal. Also there is the fact that sales are going to be lower because Wii does not have the installed userbase that even GC had when Wind Waker came out. Anyway if you do look at the latest sales charts it is pretty much Nintendo dominated in the top 10 with only one PS2 game in it, so that definately puts a positive spin on things.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on December 20, 2006, 06:50:29 PM
Yeah I wasn't joking, I think it's a good thing. Wii Sports is a much more important game to Nintendo than just another Zelda.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 21, 2006, 02:06:20 AM
I mostly agree with your earlier statements Mario.  Though I'm personally a big fan of the Zelda games and a fan of the "movie games" era in general, I think it's reaching its end.  I'm lucky in that I can adapt to new gaming trends without feeling too bad about the ones that went by.  I think more than a few hardcore gamers will become disappointed in video games over the next few years as they get simpler, shorter, and less adventure-oriented.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ryancoke on December 21, 2006, 02:19:43 AM
Zelda is only flopping in Japan. The rest of the world is buying it like hotcakes.  Adventure games live on!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on December 21, 2006, 02:24:07 AM
I love Zelda TP but it's not like it's gonna disappear, I can still play it (along with Majoras Mask, TWW etc.) in 5 years when the new type of Zelda is out (assuming it's radically different).

I really think Wii Sports should have been a pack-in there, it looks like people are just buying two games. Wii Sports = THE Wii game and Wii Play because its fun and cheap with a controller. Sales of other games would be higher if people didn't consider Wii Sports a seperate purchase, it'd probably be Wii Play and something else selling consistantly well, maybe Wario selling better and other games sales a bit more spread out. There's almost too much stuff, and now Pokemon Wii is out already.
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Originally posted by: ryancoke
Zelda is only flopping in Japan. The rest of the world is buying it like hotcakes.  Adventure games live on!

Most gaming trends start there! It happened with DS. Of course adventure games aren't gonna die, they'll just be different.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 21, 2006, 02:50:13 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution I think Smash was joking, regardless I have heard that Zelda really is not nearly as popular in Japan as it is in NA or other territories so it isn't a big deal.


I was DEAD serious...even though I didn't make that post.

Zelda can flop in Japan all it wants and it's meaningless: it's sold more consoles here than any other game could HOPE to do (something else I predicted back when people were b*tching up a storm about it being moved to the Wii, I might add).

The Japanese grow more and more out of touch with the goodness that is old school gaming all the time. They love RPGs where you watch a 40 hour long movie with bits of pressing a single button in between (like FF12, for example) but games which provide ACTUAL challenge are usually scoffed at over there.

Frankly, the more my tastes differentiate from those of Famitsu, the sounder I sleep at night...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Neodymium on December 21, 2006, 02:55:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
The Japanese grow more and more out of touch with the goodness that is old school gaming all the time. They love RPGs where you watch a 40 hour long movie with bits of pressing a single button in between (like FF12, for example) but games which provide ACTUAL challenge are usually scoffed at over there.


Yes. This explains perfectly why the arcade industry is still alive and well there, old-school RPGs remain popular, and schmups get the respect they deserve. It also explains why they hate FPS games.. yeah..

sense..
 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 21, 2006, 03:00:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
The Japanese grow more and more out of touch with the goodness that is old school gaming all the time. They love RPGs where you watch a 40 hour long movie with bits of pressing a single button in between (like FF12, for example) but games which provide ACTUAL challenge are usually scoffed at over there.


Which is ironic, because they LOVE the Dragon quest series, which is a VERY old school RPG series, and the best selling games on the DS have been Nintendogs, New Super  Mario Bros (which is an old school game), Brain Age and Animal crossing (and all of those games TRUMPED FFXII's sales back when it was released).

I honestly don't know what the problem is. I know Wii sports was selling well the last time I checked...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 21, 2006, 03:08:41 AM
Every culture has it's own quirks and "good/bad" taste.  Americans will buy a ton of Madden, computer-animated movie liscences, and generic first-person shooters while the Japanese buy a ton of weird simulation/lifestyle games, anything with Gundam written on it, and generic RPGs.

I meant "less story-oriented" instead of "adventure-oriented".  I think that the cinematic game's time is almost up.  That doesn't mean it will completely disappear, there will be pockets of these types of games remaining but games like Wii Sports, Nintendogs, the Sims and most MMORPGs signal the return of games where the story is told through play instead of movies (if there's a story at all).
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 21, 2006, 03:17:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Neodymium Yes. This explains perfectly why the arcade industry is still alive and well there, old-school RPGs remain popular, and schmups get the respect they deserve. It also explains why they hate FPS games.. yeah..


How do you quote me on saying that they "love RPGs" and then accuse me of ignoring the fact that they like RPGs in the same sentence?

RPGs are typically very easy games, easy because even the most difficult opponents can be overcome with enough mindless farming of enemies until you can overpower the bosses you need to kill.

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Which is ironic, because they LOVE the Dragon quest series, which is a VERY old school RPG series, and the best selling games on the DS have been Nintendogs, New Super Mario Bros (which is an old school game), Brain Age and Animal crossing (and all of those games TRUMPED FFXII's sales back when it was released).

I honestly don't know what the problem is. I know Wii sports was selling well the last time I checked...


SMB is the only exception, but even that is nowhere near as difficult as the original SMB games are. As for Wii Sports, it's not a HARD game in any sense of the word. What point are you trying to make with that?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Neodymium on December 21, 2006, 03:19:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
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Originally posted by: Neodymium Yes. This explains perfectly why the arcade industry is still alive and well there, old-school RPGs remain popular, and schmups get the respect they deserve. It also explains why they hate FPS games.. yeah..


How do you quote me on saying that they "love RPGs" and then accuse me of ignoring the fact that they like RPGs in the same sentence?

RPGs are typically very easy games, easy because even the most difficult opponents can be overcome with enough mindless farming of enemies until you can overpower the bosses you need to kill.


The newer-style RPGs are. Xenosaga, FF post X, etc. But FFIII, a very difficult old-style RPG sold through the roof, as has the Dragon Quest series.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on December 21, 2006, 03:23:33 AM
Stop the hating! Oh god! Stop all the hating!

The poor poor Japanese... WHY?!?!? Why are you doing this to them?!?!?! They only want to buy more DS games! Is that so bad? Is it? Zelda never sold great there... never! It's not their fault! It's... it's... just that they have really small rooms...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Neodymium on December 21, 2006, 03:28:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Stop the hating! Oh god! Stop all the hating!

The poor poor Japanese... WHY?!?!? Why are you doing this to them?!?!?! They only want to buy more DS games! Is that so bad? Is it? Zelda never sold great there... never! It's not their fault! It's... it's... just that they have really small rooms...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


Bigger is better! America rules! That's why it's everyone's favorite country!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 21, 2006, 03:34:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
RPGs are typically very easy games, easy because even the most difficult opponents can be overcome with enough mindless farming of enemies until you can overpower the bosses you need to kill.


Not entirely...Grinding sometimes can be hard and takes a lot of patience and time to do. If you want to get the ultimate weapons that sometimes can be VERY hard to obtain. And even with the characters being over powered that doesn't mean the boss will be easy to defeat. The last easy boss I encountered was in FFX because Square made the mistake of making it being weak to undead attacks. But even then, in the FF games I've played it takes A LOT of work before you can truly over power a boss, which isn't always easy.

And my point is that you are being a bit unfair in this argument when what you said isn't entirely the truth. Like I said, by your logic the old school games, whether they be easy or hard, would've flopped and the DS games, which favor quirky, fun and enduring gameplay over flashy cinematics and epic story telling, have been doing great. I think we established that your beef lies with Famitsu, which were the ones that over glorified FFXII while they played down Twilight Princess. Just as there are gamers in the US that hate the GTAs and the Maddens there are Japanese games that hate overly long cinemas and favor gameplay over story.

And I forgot to mention earlier that the Pokemon games sell like CRAZY in Japan. True, you might say that the Japanese eat anything Pokemon, but the series itself favor collecting, competition and strategies over storylines. And you said once that the game is pretty deep.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kenology on December 21, 2006, 05:04:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Stop the hating! Oh god! Stop all the hating!

The poor poor Japanese... WHY?!?!? Why are you doing this to them?!?!?! They only want to buy more DS games! Is that so bad? Is it? Zelda never sold great there... never! It's not their fault! It's... it's... just that they have really small rooms...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


Zelda games some over a million until Majora's Mask.  Also, I think the lack of Wiis and it's availability on the Cube have a lot to do with Wii TP's fall from the Top 30.

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Originally posted by: Neodymium
Bigger is better! America rules! That's why it's everyone's favorite country!


You're definitely in the minority there.



Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 21, 2006, 08:16:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Neodymium The newer-style RPGs are. Xenosaga, FF post X, etc. But FFIII, a very difficult old-style RPG sold through the roof, as has the Dragon Quest series.


FFIII isn't hard, it's time consuming.

I'll lend credit to real-time RPGs like Mana which can be won or lost depending on they player's reflexes and ability to analyze an enemy's attack patterns, but any RPG which is turn-based and you can grind enemies for exp is NOT difficult.

Boredom ? challenge. If the only thing preventing you from seeing the entire story right away is the amount of time you spend between cutscenes/story interludes, then there isn't any CHALLENGE in the game. Challenge is the thing which makes players avoid games like F-Zero GX and the hardest difficulty in FPS games like Quake and Marathon.

Famitsu mentioned that one of its gripes with Zelda was that it was too hard. Huh? Without spoiling anything, I can safely say that this was the one of the easiest Zelda games I've ever played. All of the bosses were pushovers and while the puzzles were moderately more clever than they had been in the past, they still weren't anything even verging on "too hard".

One of the things I loved most about any Zelda game was how the boss rooms were always so colossal and intimidating when you looked at them on the dungeon map. The bosses were a bit of a let down, and that being the case, I just can't see where this alleged difficulty arose from in the game.

This is generalizing, yes, and while I'm quite certain there are many brave Japanese men and women who do not shrink in the face of challenging gameplay, magazines like Famitsu are busy damaging the good name of such people by throwing out 40s to RPGs and pet sims and calling Zelda "too hard".
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 21, 2006, 09:04:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
This is generalizing, yes, and while I'm quite certain there are many brave Japanese men and women who do not shrink in the face of challenging gameplay, magazines like Famitsu are busy damaging the good name of such people by throwing out 40s to RPGs and pet sims and calling Zelda "too hard".


Just like IGN, Gamespot, Game informer, EGM, Gamepro and ESPECIALLY G4 TV are ruining the image of the american gamer by oogling over the GTAs, Maddens and crappy FPS and crapping over the GOOD games.

Looks like crappy game media is universal... :p
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 21, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
Exactly.

Shame we don't have more game publications done by, well...gamers.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 22, 2006, 02:31:14 AM
I think it's narrow-minded to judge the worth of games just by challenge level and reflexes.  By the same token, early computer gamers and tabletop gamers scoffed at the youngsters playing "simple", "shallow" games like Pac-Man and Space Invaders back in the day.  Arcade games aren't better or worse than Dungeons and Dragons, they're different.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on December 22, 2006, 03:24:14 AM
I'm a little late but I see the Wii having a 3 year lifespan till the core console unit gets the HD upgrade.  Then 6 years for that unit.  (The peripherals won't change.)
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 22, 2006, 06:00:45 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey I think it's narrow-minded to judge the worth of games just by challenge level and reflexes.


Since that shoe goes on both feet, I'm inclined to ram it up Famitsu's ass.

If they're going to blast Zelda for being "too hard", I'm going to blast them for prizing storyline to the point where they're willing to ignore shoddy game interfaces and still give games perfect scores.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on December 23, 2006, 03:31:14 PM
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Originally posted by: UERD

If Nintendo waits 8-10 years to put out a new console, it's doomed regardless...which is why I agree we'll probably see a Wii2 in 5 or less years, or whatever next-generation solution Nintendo decides to cook up next. Honestly, in light of what even mid-level computers with hardware upgrades can put out these days, I think that the most compelling arguments towards consoles in general revolve around the aspects that PCs can't easily duplicate: input mechanisms specialized for gaming, easy setup, same-room multiplayer action. These are aspects upon which the Wii is competing.



Another five years or so should be just about right for WiiHD.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on December 23, 2006, 03:52:02 PM
Yeah - I don't want to see another console for at least that long.. releasing one in 3 years would be a mistake.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 23, 2006, 04:30:08 PM
I just read on another site, that according to VG Charts, which also puts 360 at about 7.2 million and PS3 at 1 million, that Wii is at 2.5 million worldwide. If that's true, then Wii has 23% of the market...in just over a god damn month. Posting from the Internet Channel, BTW.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on December 23, 2006, 05:12:34 PM
They'll definitely reach the 6 million fiscal year target..
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on December 23, 2006, 08:26:59 PM
Ah, but was the 4 million worldwide in 2006 target market speak? Was that an unrealistic number they threw out to appease the world and to maintain their image? And what will the real 2006 numbers look like for the Wii? 2.9 million?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on December 23, 2006, 08:35:09 PM
It wasn't market speak; I honestly believe they thought they could reach that target, but failed. 3 or even 2.5 million is nothing to scoff at for the first 5 weeks - had they known it would be that much, I'm sure they would have said so. They now have three months until the end of March; plenty of time..
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 23, 2006, 10:00:50 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
It wasn't market speak; I honestly believe they thought they could reach that target, but failed. 3 or even 2.5 million is nothing to scoff at for the first 5 weeks - had they known it would be that much, I'm sure they would have said so. They now have three months until the end of March; plenty of time..


Yeah I really doubt Nintendo would exaggerate the numbers on purpose since it has repurcussions (usually stocks take a hit).
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on December 23, 2006, 10:10:50 PM
It's the DS's fault. They probably didn't think it would take off in the US til Pokemon, so had to make more.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: The Omen on December 24, 2006, 01:23:50 AM
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   Originally posted by: Neodymium
   Bigger is better! America rules! That's why it's everyone's favorite country!



You're definitely in the minority there.


I think he's being an a-hole.  Like "Look how hip and cool I am!  I made a sarcastic remark about America!  Yay!"

How original.

Bigger games are going no where.  This is just like the film industry.  All of these smaller games can be compared to the independent films that got all the pub in the early 70's and 90's.  People reacted in much the same way-"the big films are dead.  Budgets will decrease and independents will open the doors for more original content."  Was it true?  Not so much, no.  Independents do get more attention now, but the bigger films still have the market.  Like a certain trilogy that people really seemed to like recently.  But after each independent cycle, of say 7 years, a cycle of huge blockbusters follow.  Games huge in scope will always have a built in audience, and as long as they do they'll remain a staple of any console.

Japan also doesn't care for Metroid by the way, so let them have their little mini games while I enjoy the "big" games.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 27, 2006, 04:33:32 AM
Rought #'s for this week:

Software:
DS:
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Pokemon Pearl/Diamond - 400k (LTD over 4m)
New Super Mario Bro.(LTD over 3.8m) , Kirby,, Jump Ultimate Stars, Animal Crossing - 150 - 200k each
Love and Berry DS, General Knowledge DS, Rockman - 100k each
Tertis DS LTD over 1m

Wii:
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Wii Sports, Wii Play - 150k each
Pokemon, Zelda, Wario - 50k each

PS3:
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AC4 - 30k

PSP
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MGS OP - 150k
Tales of World - 100k

Xbox360
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Lost Planet - 30k
Blue Dragon - 80k

Hardware:
DS: 500,000
Wii: 300,000
PS3: 100,000
PSP: 100,000
X360: XX,000

(rough)Market Percentages:
Software 80% Nintendo
Hardware 70% Nintendo

More exact #'s will be posted in the DS sales thread whenever they are released.  
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Here are more sales #'s according to VGCharts.org

Pokemon D/P & AC cross the 4million mark
NSMB & BT2 are right behind both of them (3.9+million)
Jump Ultimate (DS), WiiSPorts & WiiPlay are all around the 500k mark
WiiSports & WiiPlay* is at > 50% attach rate each
while Zelda(Wii) is at < 1/3

*WiiPlay does include another controller  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on December 27, 2006, 05:08:47 AM
Absolute domination. It's a crime that Wii Sports isn't selling 1:1 with the system.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 28, 2006, 06:57:50 AM
Media Create Dec. 18th - 24th

Hardware:
DSL 485,584
Wii 279,277
PSP 138,588
PS3 76,882
PS2 46,209
Xbox360 17,213
GBM 2,394
GBASP 1,858
GC 1,250
DS 380
GBA 57
Xbox 11

YTD / LTD

NDS: 8,182,409 / 13,829,358
PSP: 1,780,498 / 4,463,454

Wii: 823,311 / 823,311
PS3: 385,831 / 385,831
360: 177,266 / 247,793

Looks like Nintendo will have that 1 million in Japan before years end, and if they ship this week, like they did last week, then they will actually exceed predicted shipments.

also Wii => PS3+PS2+PSP for the Wiik.
Now if only Nintnedo was boosting Wii production instead of DS production, maybe we would see DS like #'s for the Wii.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 28, 2006, 07:38:33 AM
I want to know what the NA numbers are if Japan is almost hitting a million!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 28, 2006, 07:51:49 AM
1 billion!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Caterkiller on December 28, 2006, 08:01:19 AM
This pretty cool. How are you other Nintendo fans reacting to being apart of the "in crowd" now? Scary huh?

If the Wii can keep this kind difference in sales up even when both machines are readily available for all, then man good times are headed our way.

Im so much more cautious with Nintendo's performance since the Wii was announced. When Gamecube was on its way I made it seem like Nintendo could do no wrong. I can defenitly see i've grown over the years.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 28, 2006, 08:03:02 AM
wii is doing better than xbox 360 did in the same time
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2006, 08:10:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
This pretty cool. How are you other Nintendo fans reacting to being apart of the "in crowd" now?


I'm receding into my shell.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on December 28, 2006, 08:16:43 AM
On Caterkiller's comment about being part of the "in crowd"...it's pretty interesting isn't it?  With great power comes great quantities of horrible games - the curse we will face is that the casual and non-gamer groups will control the market and so-so cash-in games will rise to fame while many good ones get ignored.  MS and Sony fans will scoff at Nintendo fans for having "bad taste" when the latest Yu-Gi-Oh outsells some new hardcore gamer masterpiece 10-1.

But the payoff is that we'll have a much bigger selection of good games.  I'll take the crud if I can also get titles like Castlevania, Dragon Quest, Tales of XYZ, Breath of Fire, Grand Theft Auto, Kingdom Hearts, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, Katamari Damacy, Street Fighter, Phoenix Wright, Ninja Gaiden, etc. on Wii.  I'm not saying all of those will appear on Wii, but the chances are a lot better now.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 28, 2006, 08:19:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller How are you other Nintendo fans reacting to being apart of the "in crowd" now?


I walk around with no pants on, and when people come to question/arrest me, I just say, "It's alright: I'm a Nintendo fan."
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 28, 2006, 08:26:20 AM
Let's leave Castlevania, Metal Gear, Devil May Castrate, and GTA off the list.  They're part of the reason Sony/MS fueled the "more [hardcore] is better" trend & attitude that caused the tech-heavy, hardcore-centric gaming market we see crying today.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 28, 2006, 08:33:22 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Let's leave Castlevania, Metal Gear, Devil May Castrate, and GTA off the list.  They're part of the reason Sony/MS fueled the "more [hardcore] is better" trend & attitude that caused the tech-heavy, hardcore-centric gaming market we see crying today.


As true as that is, more is better when it comes to game libraries.

It's those same "hardcore" players who will buy a Wii for Metal Gear and then winding up picking up Metroid or Zelda because they already own the console and figure they'll give it a try, then become fans for life because of it.

I understand 90% of it will be utter crap, but if it also means getting more AAAs (which it will), then I'll weather the crap, sure.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 28, 2006, 09:07:44 AM
Even though a new console Castlevania game will be like the last two, I will probably get it because I still have hope that Konami will get it right.  But at least we still have DS Castlevania installments to play.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on December 28, 2006, 09:17:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Let's leave Castlevania, Metal Gear, Devil May Castrate, and GTA off the list.  They're part of the reason Sony/MS fueled the "more [hardcore] is better" trend & attitude that caused the tech-heavy, hardcore-centric gaming market we see crying today.


As true as that is, more is better when it comes to game libraries.

It's those same "hardcore" players who will buy a Wii for Metal Gear and then winding up picking up Metroid or Zelda because they already own the console and figure they'll give it a try, then become fans for life because of it.

I understand 90% of it will be utter crap, but if it also means getting more AAAs (which it will), then I'll weather the crap, sure.



Screw that.......

The best thing about being market leader is that they get the majority of brand new IP's.  God of War, Kingdom Hearts, Okami, and Katamary were all new IP's created for the PS2. The Wii already has many new IP's, but imagine if it had the backing of the entire industry! Who could resist trying to make something new when the controller basically FORCES you to. I mean, sure, if the Wii does take the lead, it will become port heaven. However, that's only because it's the safest way for companies to test the waters. After that initial phase, it's sequel and new IP heaven.

NOT to mention, it will make Nintendo even more filthy rich, allowing them to take more chances and create some new and amazing things (and even acquire/make new studios). Also, with their innovation taking the reigns, other companies will be forced to innovate or even copy Nintendo in order to keep up; thus creating games that are more on Nintendo's level (think SNES). A perfect example to come is MP3. So far no developer has gotten FPS right on the Wii, and it's basically because Nintendo hasn't lead the way. Once they set the standard, that allows other developers to basically copy their style and then further innovate the gameplay and other controls. (think Mario 64 and Banjo-Kazooie)

Another example is EA's Madden 07. Do you really think someone who is trying to compete and also make a football game, is not going to use the innovations that Madden brought forth? Maybe not copy and paste, but they will certianly think of a way to FURTHER innovate; and that right there is the key.

AND what's even crazier, is that alot of Wii owners might be completely new to gaming. This means every game has a chance of being bought, since it depends on the user's tastes rather than internet sites and hype. So companies can feel free to make whatever they want, instead of FPS after FPS and Sports game after sports game. Instead, they can make a painting game, a RTS, a flying game, or a music game.

AND WHAT"S EVEN CRAZIER THAN THAT, is we will give new IP's a chance no matter what. If the controls sound fun and the gameplay seems solid, we will buy it regardless of who made it. This is very much unlike what we saw last generation, where big named titles ruled. But now, every developer is starting out on a new playing field. Innovation, ease of play, and fun will be the key, not graphics and franchises.  This will spur competition amongst developers like crazy; forcing them to keep one upping each.

In the end, we reep ALL the benefits! A vast selection of superior titles.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on December 28, 2006, 09:48:33 AM
Requiem you are right, I especially am interested in the fact that since the Wii is so different that people will want to play games because of their control schemes. That has never been possible with the control pad because it was so limited in how it could be used!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on December 28, 2006, 09:58:56 AM
I, for one, welcome our new crappy-game overlords.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on December 28, 2006, 10:32:15 AM
Kairon you welcome all overlords.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on December 28, 2006, 01:52:10 PM
Ya seriously, Kairon.

What the hell?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 28, 2006, 02:38:51 PM
Because of that, Wii will be the next PSP.

SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, CAPITALIST DOGS?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on December 28, 2006, 02:40:45 PM
EXACTLY, BUY A PSP
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Rancid Planet on December 28, 2006, 03:31:47 PM
I have enough crap I have to keep recharging every other hour thank you.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on December 28, 2006, 07:02:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
This pretty cool. How are you other Nintendo fans reacting to being apart of the "in crowd" now? Scary huh?
It's definitely a weird feeling.. but it's so awesome! We (or at least I) never liked Nintendo because they were the underdog, or because they were anti-mainstream or whatever. I welcome a return to the S/NES era with open hands. There was a time when Mario used to be King, and I hope with the Wii he reclaims his rightful throne.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on December 28, 2006, 07:14:47 PM
I actually liked Nintendo being an underdog........but then again, it's because I like to see underdogs win!

Anyway, I am having more and more Wii conversation being brought up more than any system ever. Throughout my vidoegame lifetime, I rarely came up on a conversation that discussed videogame systems and their differences. But now.........now I have had more than any other point in my life! (I know I may be an extreme, but at least there is someone like me.)

The hype is starting to creep in, and it's a little discomforting. On one hand, I am excited at the prospect of Nintendo dominating the videogame world once again, but on the other hand, I feel wierd for being excited...............still, having followed the Wii for so God damn long and having debated several different topics several times over, all I have to say is......it's about time.



Cheers!  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on December 28, 2006, 09:27:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
This pretty cool. How are you other Nintendo fans reacting to being apart of the "in crowd" now? Scary huh?


No, its not scary, it is like the good ol' days. People who are Ninty fans just because they are the underdog don't deserve the Nintendo goodness... go buy a PS3 because that is the underdog now. Go to planet so-.... I mean Sony world report.

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When Gamecube was on its way I made it seem like Nintendo could do no wrong. I can definitely see i've grown over the years.


No, back then you were more pure and true!! Now you just tell yourself Nintendo isn't perfect so you don't come across as a fanboy... :p alot of people do this, you should embrace your Nintendo passions instead and don't worry about what others think of you. Compared to Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo is perfect and can do no wrong I say.

edit-- and those worried about there being more crappy games now that Ninty is market leader shouldn't have much to worry about. Nintendo isn't Sony... look at the DS! I'm not hearing so many complaints concerning this on that platform. The way Sony and Nintendo run the industry are different in many ways.
 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on December 29, 2006, 03:39:59 AM
I hope they get major third party support so they can worry less about getting their own games out fast. I feel the GCN saw a slight dip in overall polish for Nintendo titles (with very obvious exceptions). I think Wind Waker would've been completed had Nintendo had good third party support.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on December 29, 2006, 04:43:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Hocotate
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When Gamecube was on its way I made it seem like Nintendo could do no wrong. I can definitely see i've grown over the years.


No, back then you were more pure and true!! Now you just tell yourself Nintendo isn't perfect so you don't come across as a fanboy... :p alot of people do this, you should embrace your Nintendo passions instead and don't worry about what others think of you. Compared to Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo is perfect and can do no wrong I say.
Amen to that, brother. Amen to that.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 05:25:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem Screw that.......


I don't see how our posts disagree: the best part of the Wii is the innovation it brings to the table, of course.

It's just that bringing tried and true franchises to the console will definitely help push it further into the lead which makes more room for the birth of new IPs like you said.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 29, 2006, 05:30:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller How are you other Nintendo fans reacting to being apart of the "in crowd" now?


I walk around with no pants on, and when people come to question/arrest me, I just say, "It's alright: I'm a Nintendo fan."


Of course you are, take the shirt off, put a red tie and you are friggin' Donkey Kong!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 05:39:09 AM
Yeah, but that's a cosplaying cop-out.

I'd actually cosplay as Captain Kai/Agent Chieftain if I ever attended anime conventions, but this is getting the topic way off track...

In other news, shipments of Wiis continue to come in during the middle of the day while I'm at work, ensuring that I can never get to them...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 29, 2006, 05:42:02 AM
It's time you hired someone to purchase in place of you.

And he'll probably run off and keep it for himself or sell it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 05:46:13 AM
Indeed, hence why I'm just calling it quits for now.

I'll call on occasion and see if I get lucky but I ain't gonna wake up at 8AM every morning just to place a series of phone calls.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on December 29, 2006, 06:07:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
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Originally posted by: Requiem Screw that.......


I don't see how our posts disagree: the best part of the Wii is the innovation it brings to the table, of course.

It's just that bringing tried and true franchises to the console will definitely help push it further into the lead which makes more room for the birth of new IPs like you said.


There was a slight disagreement. Your saying franchises will carry the system, while I think IP's will.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 29, 2006, 06:26:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Indeed, hence why I'm just calling it quits for now.

I'll call on occasion and see if I get lucky but I ain't gonna wake up at 8AM every morning just to place a series of phone calls.


Yeah, cause its definitely getting to you.

These Wiis you are hunting are favors, right? Talk to them and explain them that the Wii is hard to find and that its safe to wait till the hype dies down and Nintendo resume its shipping.

There's no need for a Wii NOW since it should be in plentiful supplies by spring.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if by Spring Nintendo is STILL having problems sending Wiis to stores something is up...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 07:33:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem There was a slight disagreement. Your saying franchises will carry the system, while I think IP's will.


I didn't mean that they'd CARRY the system, only that they'd help bolster its numbers.

My emphasis is the simple point that more games are ALWAYS better, even if they are ports and crap, because the game library is something valued by developers and customers alike, even if all they see is quantity.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 29, 2006, 07:40:44 AM
Ok then, bring on MGS and DMC and whatever.  But they'd better bomb so the devs can wake up and realize the same old tricks won't work anymore.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 07:57:17 AM
I'd rather them make sequels with Wiimote functionality, personally.

It'll work better if devs first say, "Alright, how can we use this controller to make _____ a better game?" and from there, they'll probably be better situated to create new IPs based around the Wiimote.

I suspect that the rethinking of their existing franchises will help in shaping their ideas of new ones.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on December 29, 2006, 08:00:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I'd rather them make sequels with Wiimote functionality, personally.

It'll work better if devs first say, "Alright, how can we use this controller to make _____ a better game?" and from there, they'll probably be better situated to create new IPs based around the Wiimote.

I suspect that the rethinking of their existing franchises will help in shaping their ideas of new ones.


You mean like Prince of Persia Wii?

It's technically a Wii port but I wouldn't be surprised if they are using the game to see how the franchise works with Wiimote functions.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 08:02:06 AM
No, I mean REAL sequels.

Though, I suspect this WILL help for when Ubi makes the next PoP game for the Wii.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on December 29, 2006, 08:06:16 AM
LAFFO

Had to sneak in the Ubisoft, since Ubisoft is the answer and spearhead of quality 3rd party development (LAFFO).
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on December 29, 2006, 08:13:04 AM
It sucks because Ubi IS capable of making good games, just that it only happens once a blue moon, it seems.

PoP:SoT and BG&E were two perfect examples of this.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 31, 2006, 06:24:00 AM
cnbc.com - Gaming Wii-nner
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US Sales from Nov. to Dec.25th
Wii - 1.8million
PS3 - 750k
360 - 2million



According to these preliminary estimates from CNBC, the Wii depsite having shortages and being out for 2 weeks less than the 360 has managed to sell only 200k less units.
With one week left in the year, I wonder is Wii will be able to pass the 360 in sales.

Sales Ratio
Wii : PS3
2.4 : 1

360 : Wii
1.1 : 1

360 : PS3
2.66: 1

Wii is obviously the winner this holiday season, and X360 comes in second only by default of people not being able to find either the Wii or PS3. But we will have to wait for NPD in about 1-2 weeks to know for sure.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on December 31, 2006, 07:10:54 AM
Very nice Wii numbers. I can only image what the sales will be for the holiday season of 2007. *looks at DS sales*
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on December 31, 2006, 07:17:20 AM
I told you Wii was on the come up. They are going to half the 360 sales in no time, especially since the 360 is failing in Japan.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 02, 2007, 03:50:36 AM
Vudu's numbers are just what I've been looking for.  Confirmation that Wii is keeping pace with 360 even in spite of shortages.  This is quite different from the GameCube launch - PS2 continued to pull ahead of the other two consoles throughout their launch periods.  In other words, Nintendo has overcome any momentum Microsoft's year head-start might have achieved.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 02, 2007, 03:55:35 AM
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Vudu's numbers are just what I've been looking for.

??? has Vudu even posted in this thread? What #'s are you refering to?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 02, 2007, 07:34:30 AM
According to vgcharts.org, which needs to be updated, Wii = 28% of the market. In 6 weeks.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 02, 2007, 08:25:26 AM
Wii won the holiday wars.  We'll see if they can keep this momentum into the new year.  Looking at the release schedule makes me think there will be a drought despite Reggie's assurance to the contrary.  Hopefully they prove me wrong.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 02, 2007, 08:33:39 AM
Wiirio Ware will be out soon enough.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 02, 2007, 10:37:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Wiirio Ware will be out soon enough.


While a good game, it won't hold over enough people.  1 good game a month does not translate into no drought.  You need at least 2 or 3 big games a month to accomplish that (unless it's a Mario platformer, then 1 every two months will suffice).
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 02, 2007, 10:44:58 AM
Wiirio Ware will hold over non-gamers and casual gamers. It is hardcore gamers who may experience a bit of a drought.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 02, 2007, 11:48:37 AM
Hardcore gamers talk about VC games and complain on forums.  They don't have time to play games, don't you know?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on January 02, 2007, 11:58:09 AM
Real hardcore gamers will be getting the Wario Ware high scores. Is there anyone here who would seriously buy 3 games a month, EVERY MONTH?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MorningStar on January 02, 2007, 11:59:02 AM
Real hardcore gamers play PC games.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Neodymium on January 02, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
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Originally posted by: MorningStar
Real hardcore gamers play PC games.


Then what are you doing here again?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 02, 2007, 01:11:56 PM
LAFFO

teh hardcore is too much for the likes of NWR
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 03, 2007, 02:26:48 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
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Vudu's numbers are just what I've been looking for.

??? has Vudu even posted in this thread? What #'s are you refering to?

Ha ha, OOOPS.  Sorry.  BlackNMild is the king of sales figures!  All hail BNM!

In terms of droughts, I'm a bit worried myself, but the real answer is not major games from Nintendo, it's third party support.  No matter how hard Nintendo and its small army of second parties worked, N64 was probably the most drought-ridden "successful" system ever.

I'm hoping the third parties will come to the rescue...but Ubisoft is pumping out too much junk, and it seems like SSX Blur and Sonic are the only other notable third party games right now.  Chances are we'll have a drought until third parties that are still just realizing how popular the system is catch up.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 03, 2007, 05:54:11 AM
Leave it to Sonic to be Sega's #1 franchise this generation, again, selling best on a Nintendo platform.

Wii is doomed to kiddie thanks to Sonic, just like GameCube.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 03, 2007, 06:20:59 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
cnbc.com - Gaming Wii-nner
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US Sales from Nov. to Dec.25th
Wii - 1.8million
PS3 - 750k
360 - 2million



According to these preliminary estimates from CNBC, the Wii depsite having shortages and being out for 2 weeks less than the 360 has managed to sell only 200k less units.
With one week left in the year, I wonder is Wii will be able to pass the 360 in sales.


...wow... those sales numbers MIGHT ACTUALLY BE rough NPD numbers for Nov. 1 until Dec. 24...

At least, Falafelkid claims such.

Edit: If true, this means that the Wii is above 3 million by Dec. 24... 850k in Japan, 1,800k in America, ~600k in Europe making for a Dec 24 guess around 3.45 million Wiis?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 03, 2007, 06:41:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
Real hardcore gamers will be getting the Wario Ware high scores. Is there anyone here who would seriously buy 3 games a month, EVERY MONTH?


Of course buying 3 games every month is tough, which is why each game caters to the different audiences.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 03, 2007, 06:46:50 AM
BEHOLD! THE HORROR OF JAPANESE SOFTWARE WII SALES AND THE DASHING OF THIRD PARTY HOPES AND DREAMS!

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These are total Wii software sales in Japan as of Dec. 24th…

1. Wii Sports (Nintendo): 484,250
2. Wii Play (Nintendo): 450,250
3. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo): 254,500
4. Wario Ware: Smooth Moves (Nintendo): 163,000
5. Pokemon Battle Revolution (Nintendo): 127,000
6. Super Swing Golf Pangya (Tecmo): 37,500
7. SD Gundam: Scad Hammers (Bandaged): 28,500
8. Bleach (Sega): 22,500
9. Tamogotchi (Bandaged): 21,750
10. Red Steel (Ubisoft): 21,250
11. Ennichi No Tatsujin (Namco): 18,250
12. Elebits (Konami): 12,250
13. Pencil Shinchan (Banpresto): 12,000
14. Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz (Sega): 9,750
15. Trauma Center Second Opinion (Sega): 7,500
16. Kororinpa (Hudson Software): 4,250
17. Necro-Nesia (Spike): 3,500
18. Need for Speed Carbon (Electronic Arts): 2,500
19. Wing Island (Hudson Software): 1,500


CRY! CRY TEARS OF BITTER SALT FOR THE THIRD PARTY! CRY BITTER TEARS OF RAGE AT NINTENDO FOR RELEASING FIVE FIRST PARTY TITLES TO DROP THE HAMMER ON HOPES AND DREAMS!

... and take a little solace in the fact that these numbers are unsubstantiated and come from VG charts.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on January 03, 2007, 06:57:52 AM
When has Nintendo never topped their own chart?

Your looking way too much into this....
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 03, 2007, 06:59:23 AM
Third parties whose games sold 15,000 units will have the proper perspective I'm sure.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 03, 2007, 07:01:32 AM
ahahahahhahaha DQ is DOOMD
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on January 03, 2007, 07:09:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Third parties whose games sold 15,000 units will have the proper perspective I'm sure.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


Well maybe, but people may still buy those games. They didn't see them as a worthy purchase when Zelda was staring them in the face, but now that they have a little more bank roll, they may go out and buy some more games which they once passed on.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 03, 2007, 07:13:23 AM
In Japan, games have a shelf life of two weeks because hardcore gamers beat them that fast and that resell them in droves to used game stores.

Excepting, of course... non-games.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 03, 2007, 07:36:14 AM
LOL there's about 200K japernese who didn't see Zelda as a worthy purchase.

Miyamoto was right when he said this was the last console Zelda we'll see of its kind.  SALES PROVE TEH PHAIL
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on January 03, 2007, 07:38:46 AM
Well maybe for the Japanese, however, if the US didn't get WiiSports as a pack-in, how many of yall would of bought it BEFORE Zelda and BEFORE even trying it out.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: segagamer12 on January 03, 2007, 09:05:15 AM
even after trying it out if it wasnt a pack in I would not have paid for it. Not full price. But thats just me.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UncleBob on January 04, 2007, 01:26:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
cnbc.com - Gaming Wii-nner
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US Sales from Nov. to Dec.25th
Wii - 1.8million
PS3 - 750k
360 - 2million



According to these preliminary estimates from CNBC, the Wii depsite having shortages and being out for 2 weeks less than the 360 has managed to sell only 200k less units.
With one week left in the year, I wonder is Wii will be able to pass the 360 in sales.


...wow... those sales numbers MIGHT ACTUALLY BE rough NPD numbers for Nov. 1 until Dec. 24...

At least, Falafelkid claims such.

Edit: If true, this means that the Wii is above 3 million by Dec. 24... 850k in Japan, 1,800k in America, ~600k in Europe making for a Dec 24 guess around 3.45 million Wiis?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
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Woah!  CNBC used fake numbers!

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/news/?id=14842
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 04, 2007, 03:04:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
Well maybe for the Japanese, however, if the US didn't get WiiSports as a pack-in, how many of yall would of bought it BEFORE Zelda and BEFORE even trying it out.

This is why Nintendo was smart to pack it in here.  I'm sure this game has sold far more new customers on Wii than anything else.  I definitely wouldn't have shown my Wii to as many people as I did if it weren't for WiiSports.

I probably wouldn't have bought WiiSports on launch day if it hadn't been packed-in, but knowing what I do now, I would buy it if I had to do it all over again.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 04, 2007, 06:24:32 AM
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
Woah!  CNBC used fake numbers!

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/news/?id=14842


Soo... those CNBC numbers aren't NPD numbers but... We have a date to expect when NPD releases them! hoohah!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 04, 2007, 06:51:29 AM
I'm still waiting for a Daisy-themed controller glove.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 04, 2007, 06:54:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon Third parties whose games sold 15,000 units will have the proper perspective I'm sure.


I'm hoping that 3rd parties will actually understand that this is largely due to the fact that the Wii doesn't have a big enough installed userbase yet.

Also, 3rd party sales in the US are FAR more encouraging.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 04, 2007, 08:12:00 AM
Most third parties sales are just as low or even lower on the PS3.  So low third party sales for the Wii right now in Japan doesn't mean that much when these companies are losing even more money on the only other system.

In Japan the only two system are the Wii and PS3 and right now their Wii games are doing better then their PS3 games, thanks to the huge cost of development for the PS3.  Third Party games on the Wii can sell only 1/3 of what they'd need to sell on the PS3 just to break even.  

So if a Third Parties PS3 game sells 30,000 copies but their Wii game only sells 15,000 copies the Wii game still did better since it cost ALOT LESS to make it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on January 04, 2007, 11:53:13 AM
Haha....Wow...

For a minute there, I completely forgot how cheap it was to develop for the Wii.

Another crushing blow to Sony!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on January 04, 2007, 03:23:53 PM
I think its funny that the same people who said the Wii wouldn't do well are now saying that they don't think it will have legs.  They don't have a choice but to admit it had a successful launch so they change their current perspective as little as possible.  It reaks to me of insular thinking where everything changes to fit your view and your view never changes.

Also Wii Sports add in = awesome idea.  There was so many complaints about the pack in originally too but Nintendo showed them.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 04, 2007, 03:54:39 PM
I complained about the pack in but now I'm a true believer: Sports was the best thing to happen to the Wii.

And yeah, that's what blind fanboyism will do to people. I'll be the first to admit that the GC had a pretty crap run, a few gems here and there but was otherwise abandoned by Nintendo to a last place finish.

This time around, even as rival systems will be suffering from a heinous lack of exclusives because the Wii is so widespread, those same fanboys will be downplaying the importance of those exclusives and bragging about how great their respective consoles are.

Just how it is in fanboy land...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 05, 2007, 08:20:45 AM
Gonintendo is reporting through gamefront.de that Enterbrain is claiming more than a million Wiis sold in Japan... but I don't know if this is total up till now or just 2006 numbers.

Likewise, early Neogaf discussions about the latest Famitsu news claim suggest, despite the lack of any numbers at all, that the Wii also broke a million in 2006.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on January 07, 2007, 09:14:01 AM
Posted this in the DS thread, but will here too:

1 Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 641,250
2 Pokemon Diamond / Pearl DS - 139,500 (4,496,750)
3 Wii Sports - 104,750 (589,000)
4 Wii Play - 84,500 (534,750)
5 New Super Mario Bros - 83,250 (4,013,750)
6 Common Knowledge Training DS - 74,000 (1,033,000)
7 Brain Training 2 DS - 69,500 (3,986,500)
8 Seiken Densetsu 4 - 62,000 (218,000)
9 Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops - 56,250 (209,500)
10 Animal Crossing: Wild World - 53,500 (4,044,500)
11 Kirby Squeak Squad - 52,750 (789,750)
12 Jump Ultimate Stars - 51,750 (561,250)
14 Love and Berry DS Collection - 48,500 (801,000)
15 Rockman Star Force - 46,750 (249,250)
16 Wario Ware Smooth Moves - 41,250 (205,250)
17 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 34,750 (292,000)
18 Mario Kart DS 33,000 (2,024,000)
20 Brain Training (30,750 3,273,250)

DS - 294,750
(-42%) 14,239,250
Wii - 181,250
(-37%) 1,040,250
PSP - 79,500
(-44%) 4,760,750
PS3 - 51,250
(-33%) 446,750

Notables:
-Wii passes 1 million in Japan
-WiiPlay/Sports have now sold over a million copies together
-Zelda has an attach ratio of 28% (strong considering the appeal to non-gamers) and will hit 300,000 this week
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 07, 2007, 09:36:44 AM
18 of the top 20 games were all on Nintendo systems.  Now that is what I call true domination.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: willie1234 on January 07, 2007, 10:16:09 AM
no ps2 #'s?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 08, 2007, 04:17:14 AM
NPD Estimates are in and Wii sold more than 360??
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WMS has estimated December sales of 1.3 million Wii hardware units and 600,000 PS3 hardware units (200,000 PS3 hardware units were sold in November). The analyst says Xbox 360 sold 1.2 million units in December.

WMS says the tie ratio for Wii and PS3 leveled out at 2.5 in December, following a poor start for PS3 in November. The U.S. hardware installed base currently stands at 18 million next generation consoles (including handhelds) as of the end of November 2006 (up from 8 million at year end 2005).

expect actual NPD #'s on Thursday, but these #'s are different than the ones I heard earlier that switch 360 in to 1st place and Wii into 2nd. It aslo means Nintendo may have actually sold more than 2 Million in NA before the end of the year which could put them around 4.3 mill WW.
 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 08, 2007, 05:13:13 AM
But that's just another prediction.  Oh how I hope that it's true.  I know Wii is going to outsell 360 eventually, but the sooner, the better.

The Japanese numbers are nice!  Are those for last week or for the final week of December?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on January 08, 2007, 05:31:58 AM
With a worldwide release and the crazy demand these Wii numbers wouldn't surprise me.

Does anyone know if microsoft counts broken 360's it replaces under units sold/shipped? (the ones microsoft replaces not ones people rebuy in stores)  The system has been notoriously unreliable so that would be an easy way to inflate their userbase.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: utarefsoN on January 08, 2007, 05:50:35 AM
you better believe microsoft is counting those replacements. Sony definitely does, how else did they sell 100 million ps2's. about 50 million broke and had to be replaced.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 08, 2007, 08:50:50 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
The Japanese numbers are nice!  Are those for last week or for the final week of December?


It's the last week of December.  I think the numbers'll stay high into the new year though, though software numbers may drop a bit.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on January 08, 2007, 09:24:18 AM
I'm a little late to the party, but 3 people I know are now desperately trying to find Wii systems to buy since playing Wii Sports, and finding out that it comes packed in for $250. So it was a damn good idea.

I'm also going to continue to say at least until jan 08 not to count out the PS3 just yet. You underestimate the draw of its graphical capabilities, I have to admit they are impressive, and I also played Resistance (on a 46 inch HDTV very very purrty) and the game play was pretty solid, and fun in the blowing stuff up sort of way. I hope and think, that Nintendo will come out on top, but if Sony can discover a way to blind the masses while deliverin epic games every once in awhile, it'll be a race.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 08, 2007, 10:45:54 AM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane  it'll be a race.


Not for $600.

I think the Wii would be on top right now regardless, but I don't fancy Sony's chances until we see a substantial price drop in the console.

I think it's the $600 pricetag keeping it on shelves more than anything.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 08, 2007, 11:05:56 AM
Yeah, you're not going to blind the masses when they'll see the $600 lighthouse of a price tag shining brightly.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 08, 2007, 11:05:57 AM
AUUUUUGH DOUBLE ATTACK
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NeoThunder on January 08, 2007, 11:54:41 AM
ok, the ebgames in my town has ps3's in stock.....

they can't sell em cause nobody wants to buy them
the high price might have something to do with it too
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Rancid Planet on January 08, 2007, 12:53:23 PM
Gee golly whiz! Who would've thought that the choice between buying one system (the PS3) or buying two systems (Wii, XBRICK 360) at the same price would have been so easy for the average consumer to make?

It's like Sony has this weird mental image in their mind of the "average consumer" as some bucktoothed, mouth-breathing yokel walking into EB backwards with his pants around his ankles and his wallet open.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 08, 2007, 01:00:27 PM
That paints such a vivid picture as I read it...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 08, 2007, 01:00:28 PM
So vivid I posted twice, even.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 08, 2007, 01:28:11 PM
I wouldn't put too much into this but someone who claims to have a source puts the Wii & 360 NPD #'s at even higher than the estimates
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Wii: 1.5m
X360: 1.3m
PS3: 600K

that would put it closer to the 3 to 1 outsell ratio that has been going on previously, now we just have to wait till Thursday to find out.

oh, and who is this someone and why should you even care or believe that he has a source?
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Gary Whitta is featured on the Next-Gen Podcast weekly. He was the EIC of PC Gamer magazine (US) for a number of years and still has a column on the back page in that mag. He also wrote the Death Jr. comic book.

He's obviously not going to reveal his source, but he's definitely an industry figure with plenty of contacts. He's a cool fellow, too.

http://podcast.next-gen.biz/

http://www.garywhitta.com/biocontact.html[/q



 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Rancid Planet on January 08, 2007, 06:33:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
That paints such a vivid picture as I read it...


I'm glad to hear that because I was also thinking of having the bucktoothed yokel crying his eyes out and asking "WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO ME?!"

...but you know how I hate to go over the line.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2007, 04:51:48 AM
Famitsu(which tracks slightly lower than Media Create) till the end of '06

Famitsu (enterbrain)

End of 2006

Wii: 989,118
PS3: 466,716
Xbox360: 290,467 (99,798 in Dec 2006, because Blue Dragon. )

DS (DS Lite): 13,950,000
PSP: 4,510,000

------------

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/200...65284,0,0.html

Wii: Dec 02 ~ Jan 07 1,135,671

M-Create has Wii breaking the 1million mark before end of 2006
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on January 09, 2007, 07:24:36 AM
Perhaps I missed something but what is with the unavailibility of post xmas M-create numbers?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 09, 2007, 07:41:17 AM
I think they have holidays around New Year.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 09, 2007, 08:18:15 AM
I'm impressed with those 360 numbers in Japan, Microsoft should be please. It shows that the Japanese are not completely closed minded to systems other than Nintendo or Sony, but will pick it up if it has a genre they like. If I were Sony, I think I would be getting a tad bit worried with Xbox 360s sales in Japan and elsewhere.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 09, 2007, 09:06:34 AM
Have I posted this yet?

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on January 09, 2007, 10:07:43 AM
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Originally posted by: VGrevolution
I'm impressed with those 360 numbers in Japan, Microsoft should be please. It shows that the Japanese are not completely closed minded to systems other than Nintendo or Sony, but will pick it up if it has a genre they like.


Considering that data compares a month's, or a little over, worth of sales for the Wii and the PS3 versus an entire year of 360 sales, which is lower then either of them... I wouldn't. Sales in December were quite nice compared to the year as a whole, granted, but it still got slaughtered in a month's time by two systems which are currently suffering from shortages.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 09, 2007, 10:31:38 AM
I guess the point is there's a crack of light under the door.  If Microsoft keeps being as aggressive as it is, it could eventually see some traction in Japan.  I don't really think either platform stands a chance against Wii in Japan, though.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 09, 2007, 10:50:13 AM
Capcom will support the XBox 360 in Japan, just for the prospect of the US sales.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on January 09, 2007, 10:51:27 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I guess the point is there's a crack of light under the door.  If Microsoft keeps being as aggressive as it is, it could eventually see some traction in Japan.  I don't really think either platform stands a chance against Wii in Japan, though.


The big test is how its doing within the country versus the original Xbox. I know the first sold around ¥12.7 billion (consoles only) in 2002, and amounted to a 7.7% market share, but don't know the exact number of consoles sold.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Rancid Planet on January 09, 2007, 01:10:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Have I posted this yet?




Not that I've seen but I'm glad you did.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2007, 06:44:35 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
Perhaps I missed something but what is with the unavailibility of post xmas M-create numbers?


Media Create Dec 25th - 31st  

Software:
1. Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (NDS, Square-Enix) 593,994
2. Wii Sports (Wii, Nintendo) 95,479 [566,707]
3. Wii Play (Wii, Nintendo) 83,487 [522,810]
4. Common Sense Training (NDS, Nintendo) 72,159 [953,520]
5. New Super Mario Bros. (NDS, Nintendo) 69,168 [3,840,296]
6. Brain Training 2 (NDS, Nintendo) 61,033 [3,706,467]
7. Pokémon Diamond (NDS, Nintendo) 56,222 [2,385,450]
8. Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops (PSP, Konami) 51,951 [230,321]
9. Animal Crossing Wild World (NDS, Nintendo) 50,248 [3,748,915]
10. Seiken Densetsu 4 (PS2, Square-Enix) 48,405 [200,467]
~
11. Yakuza 2 (PS2, Sega)
12. Pokémon Pearl (NDS, Nintendo)
13. Tales of the World (PSP, Namco)
14. Jump Ultimate Stars (NDS, Nintendo)
15. Kirby Squeak Squad (NDS, Nintendo)
16. Brain Training (NDS, Nintendo)
17. Yakuza - The Best (PS2, Sega)
18. Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo)
19. DS Menu Collection (NDS, Nintendo)
20. Zelda Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo)
21. Mario Kart DS (NDS, Nintendo)
22. 200 millions Kanjis (NDS, IE Institute)
23. Oshare Majô Love & Berry (NDS, Sega)
24. Momotarô Densetsu 16 (PS2, Hudson)
25. Kanji Test (NDS, Rocket Co.)
26. English Training (NDS, Nintendo)
27. Kanji Exercise (NDS, Nowpro)
28. Pokémon Battle Revolution (Wii, Nintendo)
29. Gundam Seed Destiny Union Vs. ZAFT II + (PS2, Bandai)
30. Tetris DS (NDS, Nintendo)

Hardware:
DSL 176,219
Wii 96,332
PS3 71,727
PSP 68,675
PS2 38,169
Xbox360 16,909
GBM 2,082
GBASP 1,743
GC 847
DS 102
GBA 51
Xbox 4
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 09, 2007, 07:19:11 PM
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5. New Super Mario Bros. (NDS, Nintendo) 69,168 [3,840,296]
What? It should be well over 4 million..
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on January 09, 2007, 08:02:20 PM
Flop
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 10, 2007, 02:17:20 AM
"Common Sense Training" reminds me of that old series of Dilbert strips where Dogbert starts a common sense school.

WiiSports/Play just keep going and going.  Dare I say, "new Brain Training"?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 10, 2007, 05:38:10 AM
I updated the harware #'s....

OMG what a dissappointment. I know there is a shortage, but Did Nintendo aslo slowdown production too? What a happened? PS3 almost sold as much as the Wii, its a disaster.
Mario please tell the people what they fear to hear.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 06:34:43 AM
I'm sure...I mean, I HOPE...that Nintendo realizes that every Wii they can make right now is basically a guaranteed sale.

And it might even be possible that the US wants the Wii more than Japan does, since the US seems to have a fever and the only cure is more Wii.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 10, 2007, 06:39:40 AM
Again, I am still hoping that by April Nintendo has wised up and starts to ramp up Wii production.

If by then the Wii is STILL a pain in the ass to find, something is up at Nintendo.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 10, 2007, 06:42:51 AM
DOOM! GLOOM! AND CANDYCANES!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 10, 2007, 06:52:36 AM
When Ninty raised its fiscal projections for software and overall profit, they did NOT raise their hardware projection...Why?  Because they can't possibly make more than they are making right now...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 08:27:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
When Ninty raised its fiscal projections for software and overall profit, they did NOT raise their hardware projection...Why?  Because they can't possibly make more than they are making right now...


You think they'd be opening new factories round the clock...

God only knows the same thing happened to the DSL at its launch not too long ago and just look at how it turned out: it's STILL sold out most places, especially over the holiday season.

The Wii promises to be even bigger, at least here in the states. I think it's safe to say that opening more factories isn't a "risky" business decision by any stretch.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 10, 2007, 08:37:21 AM
ok, you people do realise Nintendo launched the Wii WORLDWIDE, as in the entire world dont you?  That's why Wii's are hard to find, because it's kind of hard to supply each region with enough unit's when there's a huge demand in every single one.

Now Nintendo could have pulled a Sony and only released in Japan and North America to help create a steady supply for those regions while screwing over Europe, but they didn't.  And because of that Nintendo has gotten the jump on Sony in that region and has a good chance of taking the Europe market if Sony takes too long to release over there.

Plus on the Japanese side the PS3 is supposed to be widely in stock now while the Wii is still in short supply.  So if the Wii with a shortage is able to outsell a widely available PS3, that only speaks volumes for just how popular the Wii is and how Nintendo easily owns that market.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 08:42:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude Plus on the Japanese side the PS3 is supposed to be widely in stock now while the Wii is still in short supply.  So if the Wii with a shortage is able to outsell a widely available PS3, that only speaks volumes for just how popular the Wii is and how Nintendo easily owns that market.


Same is true in the US.

I just hope that they see what an explosion of popularity the Wii has and act accordingly to meet the demand.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 10, 2007, 09:03:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Same is true in the US.

I just hope that they see what an explosion of popularity the Wii has and act accordingly to meet the demand.


Will never happen.  Wii is doomed!!!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 09:15:46 AM
I don't say it because I think Nintendo is doomed but because I'd rather Wii hunting was easier or unnecessary.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 10, 2007, 09:56:47 AM
I read somewhere else that they raised their Wii hardware forecasts from 17 to 21 million.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: JonLeung on January 10, 2007, 10:03:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Brandogg
I read somewhere else that they raised their Wii hardware forecasts from 17 to 21 million.


What forecast is that?  Is that for this year, or what?  'Cause isn't that catching up to total GameCube sales?  o_0
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Rancid Planet on January 10, 2007, 11:42:56 AM
I'm not saying that this is what's happening but could you really blame Nintendo, after all that's gone wrong with their last two home consoles, for holding back on Wii production because they're still waiting for the other shoe to drop?

I can just imagine a board of directors meeting at NCL or NOA. Everyone sitting around going "I just KNOW it. Tommorrow morning on the front cover of every gaming magazine on the planet it's gonna have a big headline that says "The Nintendo Wii: For Retarded Homo Babies?" and then that's it, we're done, over, FINISHED!"  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 10, 2007, 12:43:07 PM
Forecast for sales throughout 2007 (including 2006 I assume).
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 02:35:16 PM
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Originally posted by: JonLeung What forecast is that?  Is that for this year, or what?  'Cause isn't that catching up to total GameCube sales?  o_0


20.85 million worldwide, according to VG Charts.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 10, 2007, 02:45:48 PM
I read the other info wrong, they forecast 21 million in SOFTWARE, for the end of the fiscal year.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 10, 2007, 11:37:20 PM
Let's just see how much they can manufacture... I mean... They make 2.5 mil DS Lites a month right? Their original estimate of 6 mill by march '07 only assumes they ship 2 million wiis in 3 months, aka ~666k worldwide a month, aka ~222 a month per territory, aka XBox 360 monthly sales numbers in the US during non-holiday 2005.... well, put that way, 220k a month isn't exactly a small number even though it isn't a great one.

And will they need to hoard up consoles for the rumored DQ:S bundle?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on January 11, 2007, 05:25:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
You think they'd be opening new factories round the clock...


Even if they are, I somehow doubt they could get them up and running in a couple month's times to the point where they could mass produce Wiis.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 11, 2007, 05:28:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok Even if they are, I somehow doubt they could get them up and running in a couple month's times to the point where they could mass produce Wiis.


True, but anything less than taking that appropriate action would be failure.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 11, 2007, 06:23:15 AM
Realistically, I expected them to cut off GameCube production and convert those same manufacturing facilities to producing Wii consoles.

Even converting from GBA production would help, but that thing still prints money.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: willie1234 on January 11, 2007, 12:46:12 PM
"According to NPD, the Xbox 360 came out on top across the three next-gen consoles, selling 1.1 million units compared to the Wii's 604,200 and the PS3's 490, 700."
-kotaku

while it's nice to see nintendo doing better than the ps3, 600 in dec, for a total of 1.1 mill in the us seems low to me.  I was calculating that to make 4 mil worldwide they would have had to do 2 mil in the us.  It's too bad they botched the manufacturing so much, they could have done much better.  Especially given that this is not high end hardware, ie no blue ray etc.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on January 11, 2007, 01:06:11 PM
If those numbers are correct, everyone had a crappy Christmas.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: bustin98 on January 11, 2007, 01:47:41 PM
They are not correct as they do not include the number one retail outlet, Walmart. Walmart does not disclose sales information.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: wandering on January 11, 2007, 01:55:32 PM
They guess at walmart sales, though.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on January 11, 2007, 01:59:41 PM
The 500k Zelda GC sales is a good indication of the number of people who couldn't get Wiis. Minus 1 from that number (Ian) and there you have it. Wii has been severely undershipped, and even DS isn't close to GBAs best Decembers. Has someone been stealing Nintendos plastic?

New Media Create (Jan 1 - 7) looks a lot better

1. (NDS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker - 266,827 / 860,820
2. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 166,011 / 732,719
3. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 141,702 / 664,512
4. (NDS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 128,211 / 3,986,506
5. (NDS, Nintendo) General Knowledge Training - 109,752 / 1,063,093
6. (NDS, Nintendo) Brain Age 2 - 99,320 / 3,805,787
7. (NDS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing - 94,917 / 3,843,832
8. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond - 94,370 / 2,479,819
9. (NDS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad - 93,522 / 836,588
10. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl - 78,398 / 2,054,443
11. Mario Kart DS (NDS, Nintendo)
12. Jump Ultimate Stars (NDS, Nintendo)
13. DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (Wii, Bandai)
14. Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo)
15. Brain Training (NDS, Nintendo)
16. Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops (PSP, Konami)
17. Zelda Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo)
18. Oshare Majô Love & Berry (NDS, Nintendo)
19. Yakuza 2 (PS2, Sega)
20. Kanji Test (NDS, Rocket Co.)
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on January 11, 2007, 02:05:46 PM
I'm too *something* to look back through all thread but good lawdy wawdie 1.5 Million extra controllers!

While we can all agree they are on the expensive side, imagine how much money Ninty made off of controllers alone, hopefully this comes back to consumers pocket with more well produced games. With all that excess money they should open a few new dev studios, maybe one here in the states.

man my keyboard seems really crowded.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on January 11, 2007, 04:39:23 PM
Nice, the top ten is nothing but DS and Wii. 18/20 are on a Nintendo system.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 11, 2007, 04:40:53 PM
The top 15 is nothing but DS and Wii if you can find the 20-50 list.

Also, 40 of the top 50 are on Nintendo systems.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on January 11, 2007, 05:44:47 PM
Good god... The top 15 and 40 of the top 50? The Japanese are crazy for Nintendo stuff. Awesome.

Has any one company ever taken the top 15 before? I'm guessing not if noone had ever taken the entire top 10 before.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 11, 2007, 05:48:34 PM
I posted this in the DS thread, but I think it deserves a cross posting.

The NEW for '07 Pac-Man chart - Media Create 01/01 - 01/07
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 12, 2007, 02:16:38 AM
I like how WiiSports and WiiPlay sales in Japan are UP from the week before - I think that'll be reflected in the hardware sales.

The NPD numbers - 600,000 is really disappointing for Wii.  Think of all the people who could have been playing with their Wiis on Christmas morning!  In 2006 we have:

 1.1 million Wiis sold in North America
+0.9 million sold in Japan
+0.6 million sold in Europe (in the first weekend)
=2.6 million (edit: maybe 2.7, since my Japan and Europe numbers are rounded down).

I doubt Nintendo sold another 1.4 million in Europe between launch weekend and Dec. 31, so it's way off the original 4 million figure.  Why?  Optimistic guess: When Nintendo realized it underestimated demand, it decided to spread shipments out to keep a steady flow into the new year.  Pessimistic guess: Nintendo screwed up on manufacturing and is missing out on its golden opportunity - Wii is d00med.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on January 12, 2007, 04:33:09 AM
I am pretty sure the 1.1 million is just the US couchmonkey, that doesn't count the many Wii's that went to Canada.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 12, 2007, 05:56:13 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Mario

New Media Create (Jan 1 - 7) looks a lot better

1. (NDS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker - 266,827 / 860,820
2. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 166,011 / 732,719
3. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 141,702 / 664,512
4. (NDS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 128,211 / 3,986,506
5. (NDS, Nintendo) General Knowledge Training - 109,752 / 1,063,093
6. (NDS, Nintendo) Brain Age 2 - 99,320 / 3,805,787
7. (NDS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing - 94,917 / 3,843,832
8. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond - 94,370 / 2,479,819
9. (NDS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad - 93,522 / 836,588
10. (NDS, Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl - 78,398 / 2,054,443
11. Mario Kart DS (NDS, Nintendo)
12. Jump Ultimate Stars (NDS, Nintendo)
13. DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (Wii, Bandai) - 66,906
14. Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo)
15. Brain Training (NDS, Nintendo)
16. Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops (PSP, Konami)
17. Zelda Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo)
18. Oshare Majô Love & Berry (NDS, Nintendo)
19. Yakuza 2 (PS2, Sega)
20. Kanji Test (NDS, Rocket Co.)
21. Tamagotchi 2 (NDS, Bandai)
22. DS Menu Collection (NDS, Nintendo)
23. English Training (NDS, Nintendo)
24. Pokémon Battle Revolution (Wii, Nintendo)
25. Tales of the World (PSP, Namco)
26. Seiken Densetsu 4 (PS2, Square-Enix)
27. Yakuza - The Best (PS2, Sega)
28. Momotarô Dentetsu (PS2, Hudson)
29. Magic Taizen (NDS, Nintendo)
30. Tetris DS (NDS, Nintendo)
~
31.) Naruto Fighter (NDS, Takara Tomy)
32.) Cooking Navi (NDS, Nintendo)
33.) Rockman Pegasus (NDS, Capcom)
34.) Monster Hunter Portable (The Best) (PSP, Capcom)
35.) Gundam Seed Destiny (PS2, Bandai Namco)
36.) Kanji Brain Test 2,000,000 (NDS, IE institute)
37.) Power Pro Kun Pocket 9 (NDS, Konami)
38.) Final Fantasy III (NDS, Square Enix)
39.) Electric Brain Repetition (NDS, Shogakukan Inc.)
40.) Mario Basket 3-on-3 (NDS, Nintendo)
41.) World Soccer Winning Eleven 10 (PSP, Konami)
42.) Rockman Leo (NDS, Capcom)
43.) Board of Education (NDS, Bandai Namco)
44.) Rockman Dragon (NDS, Capcom)
45.) Big Brain Academy (NDS, Nintendo)
46.) Revolution (NDS, Konami)
47.) Resistance (PS3, SCE)
48.) Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales (NDS, Square Enix)
49.) Gundam Target in Sight (PS3, Bandai Namco)
50.) Live Power Pro Baseball 13 (PS2, Konami)

Hardware: - This Week | Last Week | 2007 Totals | LTD
1.) Nintendo DS Lite - 344,878 | 176,219 | 344,878 | 7,768,202
2.) Nintendo Wii - 195,331 | 96,332 | 195,331 | 1,114,974
3.) PlayStation Portable - 118,186 | 68,675 | 118,186 | 4,650,315
4.) PlayStation 3 - 69,944 | 71,727 | 69,944 | 527,502
5.) PlayStation 2 - 52,037 | 38,169 | 52,037 | 20,206,896
6.) Xbox 360 - 18,235 | 16,909 | 18,235 | 282,937
7.) Game Boy micro - 3,311 | 2,082 | 3,311 | 563,241
8.) Game Boy Advance SP - 2,364 | 1,743 | 2,364 | 5,917,404
9.) GameCube - 1,258 | 847 | 1,258 | 4,170,726
10.) Nintendo DS - 75 | 102 | 75 | 6,582,430
11.) Game Boy Advance - 57 | 51 | 57 | 8,823,166

DS + DSL combined LTD = 14,350,632
GBA + GBASP + GBM combined LTD = 15,303,811
Xbox 1 LTD = 475,613
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on January 12, 2007, 06:03:38 AM
You know Smash Nintendo probably did convert all the Gamecube plants back before the Wii was launched.  No reason to still produce it.  There was a good supply out already.  Hopefully they'll still produce controllers and memory card though.  (or have an update to allow you to use and SD card and the Classic controller.)
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 12, 2007, 07:19:33 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote

Originally posted by: Mario

Hardware:
1.) Nintendo DS Lite - 344,878 | 176,219 | 344,878 | 7,768,202
2.) Nintendo Wii - 195,331 | 96,332 | 195,331 | 1,114,974
3.) PlayStation Portable - 118,186 | 68,675 | 118,186 | 4,650,315
4.) PlayStation 3 - 69,944 | 71,727 | 69,944 | 527,502
5.) PlayStation 2 - 52,037 | 38,169 | 52,037 | 20,206,896
6.) Xbox 360 - 18,235 | 16,909 | 18,235 | 282,937
7.) Game Boy micro - 3,311 | 2,082 | 3,311 | 563,241
8.) Game Boy Advance SP - 2,364 | 1,743 | 2,364 | 5,917,404
9.) GameCube - 1,258 | 847 | 1,258 | 4,170,726
10.) Nintendo DS - 75 | 102 | 75 | 6,582,430
11.) Game Boy Advance - 57 | 51 | 57 | 8,823,166


Holy shnike!!  Wii has over double the sales of the PS3.  Give the DS one more year and it'll surpass the PS2 in total sales, especially if they can keep up this pace of above 200,000 or even 300,000 units a week.

I really enjoy being a Nintendo fan at this time.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 12, 2007, 07:24:27 AM
SixthAngel - I hadn't thought of that.  I think Nintendo's probably still short, but if you throw in Canada and the rest of the American continents the sales might get a half-million boost or something (edit: probably less, but who knows?)

It's too early to know "for sure", but I'm pretty much convinced that Wii is going to win Japan.  Just look at WiiSports and WiiPlay and you can tell that it's already repeating the whole DS situation with the non-gamers and the sales and the cars that go boom, GLAYVIN!  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2007, 10:23:03 AM
Michael Pachter of Web Bush Morgan is confused as to how the NPD can track so low when Nintendo claims it met its ship goal and when its obvious that the Wii is a sell out everywhere. He's hinting at shenanigans.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Deguello on January 12, 2007, 10:53:50 AM
I kind of agree.  I've had problems with the way NPD does things for a long time.  

They do not accurately count Walmart or Toys R US, two HUGE contributors to the game market, nor amazon, which is significant in its own right.  Now I know the next thing out of your keyboard is going to be "but they estimate what they don't have."  And?  So what?  Is that supposed to make their numbers magically more accurate?  Imagine a clear grain silo and an even bigger opaque silo next to it.  You can see how much grain is in the clear one, but not the opaque one, and upon asking the farmer how much grain is in it he just guesses.  That's not good enough.  It could be full of grain, it could be empty.  Their word isn't good enough.

Especially considering this isn't the first time NPD would have pulled shenanigans.  March 2005, when the PSP launched, they were happy to report the PSP launch numbers against the DS numbers, something liek 600,000 PSPs to like 200,000 DSs.  But Fall rolled around and Advance Wars debuted and Nintendogs began building its fuzzy little empire, All of a sudden the PSP numbers were held back.  Why?  It happened again next month and the following months as well.  And as we all know the DS trounced the PSP that holiday season.  The numbers were finally brought to light and it was as suspected, the PSP was tracking slower.  Seems strange that they would hide that...

This is more my suspicion of NPD than my Nintendo fanboyism.  I wish we had a system like Japan's.  They have three tracking services and they cover the vast majority of the market, and you can compare them and get a very statistically accurate idea of how things fared on the Marketplace.  And it's free.  Here the NPD has a monopoly, and it is a very inaccurate service, that doesn't count huge portions of the market with totally different demographics  (Your Walmart shopper is not your EBgames patron.)  AND it costs money.  So I'm a bit bothered at all the secrecy and cloak-and-dagger crap.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2007, 11:31:15 AM
SAM FISHER IS AFTER YOU, GOROH
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on January 12, 2007, 02:03:34 PM
Perrin Kaplan said Nintendo shipped "well above" the NPD numbers, and since it's sold out everywhere the NPD number is obviously "well below" the truth. Who knows if they undertracked the DS as well. I'm not going to take NPD seriously from now on.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2007, 02:13:08 PM
When's the last time Perrin Kaplan's been right?

Don't get me wrong. I love the lady, and her interviews are just brilliant to watch. But she needs a better fact-checking team.

That said, NPD numbers are seriously not matching up with some other information about the market.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlkPaladin on January 12, 2007, 02:37:40 PM
I liked how they held back what the Wii did. They mentioned the controllers and Zelda with numbers but nothing on the console itself.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 12, 2007, 04:02:03 PM
I'd say the Wii probably sold a couple of hundred thousand more than 3 million worldwide before 2007.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2007, 04:34:01 PM
A little over 3 million worldwide seems about right... and it's a more even release schedule, compared to very ambitious promises of 4 million units worldwide over the course of 6 weeks.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 12, 2007, 04:36:02 PM
Just to clarify, NPD numbers = wrong.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2007, 04:39:59 PM
Not confirmed, and NPD is really our best guess for the U.S. market... but.... in this case the "best guess" doesn't seem very reliable at all. I'll wait for official Nintendo shipping statements.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on January 12, 2007, 05:04:14 PM
Not confirmed? What is confirmed, is that they are not right. Which by definition, makes them wrong.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2007, 05:24:22 PM
But they're never right...

The question is... how not right are they? Where do they lie in the grey zone between right and wrong, good and evil, chocolate and vanilla ice cream?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Rec
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: denjet78 on January 12, 2007, 05:50:15 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
But they're never right...

The question is... how not right are they? Where do they lie in the grey zone between right and wrong, good and evil, chocolate and vanilla ice cream?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Rec
Kairon@aol.com


Wait a minute? There are shades of not-right-ness? I was never told this by my parents! All must die! All must perish for their impudence! Who else is guilty of this not-telling-me-things-that-I-should-know? WHO!?! Who else shall I raze to the ground? Who else shall I teach a thousand subtle shades of pain! A hundred ways to die! Before I finally lay their broken body at my master's table!

*breath*, *breath*, *breath*

You know I used to like chocolate when I was a kid but now that I'm older it's vanilla all the way. Funny how your tastes can change over time. Now what were we talking about?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on January 12, 2007, 05:50:45 PM
I think some Wiis ended up in markets that might get counted as Europe but really aren't (Australia, Brazil, ...).
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BigJim on January 12, 2007, 06:50:56 PM
I guess the question is, What is it in NPD's formula that conclusively biases the results, and makes one's numbers more wrong than another?

Sort of like Nielsen TV ratings. People complain because the sampling is so small, but results are generally "equally wrong" and therefore are at least relatively accurate ratio-wise among each other, even though exact figures are elusive.

So what is it that NPD does wrong that slants the results?  Is it Sony's larger retail presence in general (more stores = more track samples)?  The world may never know...?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 12, 2007, 07:32:05 PM
Look who's back
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 13, 2007, 01:40:32 AM
All I know is Nintendo's Wii sales total = Nintendo's Wii shipped total. When Nintendo says how many Wiis they've shipped in each territory, then we'll know the sales, give or take ~0.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 13, 2007, 03:28:54 AM
~0  ~0  ~0O

sperm
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on January 13, 2007, 01:11:21 PM
This from the site owner of VG charts in their forum. He also says something ain't right here (cough, NPD BS, cough):

Quote

Hi all

It's Broshnat here, the site owner.

Regarding the Wii figures, like a number of other sources we projected Wii to sell more than 1 million in December. WMS, CBFS, Nintendo themselves all independently agreed with this. I know WMS have their own (limited) internal tracking a bit like we do - we get a heads up from a selection of stores - and figures were suggesting Wii sales similar to 360 and about double PS3. Obviously this isn't how things materialised - we don't know if the stores / tracking period we had data for was skewed, maybe at points where new shipments had arrived and Wii was selling large numbers - to be honest I don't really know. It seems strange WMS also predicted similar values as did a number of other reputable analysts.

The other factor is a statement from Nintendo that they had exceeded shipment expectations - thought to be just under 2m for NA in 2006.

Something does seem a little fishy here. I'm definitely not accusing NPD of foul play or anything like that, but their figure does seem much lower than everyone was expecting.

Having said that, we will obviously be fixing our main data on the front page once we have some more figures to support this. Accusations of bias towards Nintendo are not fair - we use the same system to arrive at figures for all 3 consoles. PS3 / 360 / DS / PSP numbers are all spot on, as are Wii Japan and 'Others' numbers - it's only this NA figure that has thrown people.

Thank you all again for supporting the site and please let these great discussions continue!


Link
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 13, 2007, 04:23:24 PM
I've personally purchased two Wiis from Wal-Mart and neither of those were counted in NPD's data.

Ergo...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 13, 2007, 05:57:49 PM
I agree that the extrapolation is quite inaccurate, but it should never cause a discrepancy of close to a million consoles..
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 13, 2007, 07:52:15 PM
We have to continue to remember though that NA includes Canada and Mexico.  While they won't be as high as the US, they aren't included in NPD number.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on January 14, 2007, 02:52:57 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
I agree that the extrapolation is quite inaccurate, but it should never cause a discrepancy of close to a million consoles..


How about 300,000 consoles?  That would get us within throwing distance of what we expected.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on January 14, 2007, 06:34:44 AM
Exactly which stores does NPD not count?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2007, 07:01:21 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Toys R Us, Wal*Mart & all the little independent stores that may exist around the country.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 14, 2007, 10:45:13 AM
Pachter Ponders Wii Sales Data Gap

Quote

He explained, “Four million [Wiis] manufactured globally, the majority (2 million) going to the US, but only 1.1 million in the hands of consumers. Okay, probably 90,000 in Canadian consumers' hands, and probably 250,000 figure floating on barges. That leaves 560,000 unaccounted for.


~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on January 14, 2007, 10:46:49 AM
So lemme get this straight... If they don't/can't count Toys R US OR WalMart...Why are they viewed as official numbers? They have to be 2 of the largest, if not largest, sellers of consoles and video games (they get more shipments of consoles than EB/GameStop), and having taking Statistics courses that would seem to make their estimations have too large a margin of error to be considered reliable.

P.S. Your link isn't working Kairon.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on January 14, 2007, 10:55:22 AM
Mulder: "Clearly Scully this confirms the existence of aliens, they have stolen the 560,000 Wiis to give them to their spoiled alien kids."

Scully: "Or the NPD is full of s**t."

Mulder: "Damn you and your 'logic' Scully."
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlkPaladin on January 14, 2007, 11:02:36 AM
sssss. They don't want people to know that.

There are major problems with the system that's why the console companies are the better gauge especially in the US since they do have an idea of how many have shipped and the sell through for most of the market since their reps do an check of stores every month if not more.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 14, 2007, 11:26:07 AM
In the case of Nintendo, the numbers from the manufacturer are much more reliable since Nintendo keeps track of how many units were sold and actually reports those numbers to us.

BUT, from MS and Sony, they don't keep track of how many units are actually "sold" and pass off shipment numbers as supposedly bought by consumers. In the case of MS and Sony, we can't rely on the official statements usually.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on January 14, 2007, 12:19:09 PM
Personally the exact number doesn't matter to me.

It's good enough to know the Nintendo thouroughly trounced PS3, and is hot on the heels of X360.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2007, 12:51:49 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Jin-X
So lemme get this straight... If they don't/can't count Toys R US OR WalMart...Why are they viewed as official numbers? They have to be 2 of the largest, if not largest, sellers of consoles and video games (they get more shipments of consoles than EB/GameStop), and having taking Statistics courses that would seem to make their estimations have too large a margin of error to be considered reliable.

P.S. Your link isn't working Kairon.
Just to clarify, I'm not 100% sure about TRU, but I KNOW they don't track Wal*Mart. I've only heard that TRU also refuses to give up their internal sales #'s. I could be wrong though.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 14, 2007, 10:49:13 PM
Wait a sec... I bought My Wii and like... 9 games from TRU! I'm not being counted! I'm being disenfranchised!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 15, 2007, 02:58:12 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
Pachter Ponders Wii Sales Data Gap

Quote

He explained, “Four million [Wiis] manufactured globally, the majority (2 million) going to the US, but only 1.1 million in the hands of consumers. Okay, probably 90,000 in Canadian consumers' hands, and probably 250,000 figure floating on barges. That leaves 560,000 unaccounted for.


~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


I think Nintendo may have come up short on its shipments, but also we have some countries unaccounted for: I believe the system has launched in all of the "Americas", as well as Australia and New Zealand.  I wouldn't be surprised if all of those put together took up several hundred thousand units.

As for NPD, it's not perfect, but it does attempt to account for the retailers it doesn't have and even Nintendo has quoted NPD data, so it can't be that far off from the truth.  If anything, it must be more generous than Nintendo's own data.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 15, 2007, 03:49:37 AM
Austrailian Sales Figures for December.
Europe Sales figures for December.

So 50,000 from Australia.  I'm guessing that does not include New Zealand or they'd say it did.  700,000 in Europe is pretty good.  Are the UK numbers included in the Europe numbers or are those considered separate?  If separate, that's actually 900,000 in European countries.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on January 15, 2007, 04:30:32 AM
ummm... I know that us Americans are geographically impaired, but the UK is part of Europe. Unless you meant England...

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 15, 2007, 05:27:40 AM
Did you read the press release?  It lists 200,000 Wii's sold for the UK, but then states 700,000 for Europe.  Are those 200,000 included in the Europe figure or are they separate?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MarioAllStar on January 15, 2007, 05:32:08 AM
I think the Europe figure includes the UK.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 15, 2007, 07:07:41 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: MaryJane It's good enough to know the Nintendo thouroughly trounced PS3, and is hot on the heels of X360.


Agreed. That's all I need to know.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Athrun Zala on January 15, 2007, 01:36:35 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: MarioAllStar
I think the Europe figure includes the UK.
I think it doesn't, look how carefully it's worded...

"(rambling on how amazingly well it sold in the UK)
Wii also took Europe by storm when it launched on 8th December 2006 and became the fastest selling games console in European history after its first weekend. In a matter of days Wii was totally sold out across the continent. Since launch Nintendo has been continually shipping more stock to retail outlets to meet unprecedented demand from both gamers and non-gamers alike. Despite selling out faster than it could be restocked, over 700,000 Wii consoles were snapped up across Europe in December 2006."

I take it Nintendo doesn't consider the UK part of the EU XD
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 16, 2007, 08:03:13 AM
so... 1.4 mil in North America (including Canada and Mexico and assuming NPD is correct), .05 mil in Australia, .7 mil in Europe, and 1 mil in JPN...

A total of 3.15 million worldwide in 2006 as compared to Nintendo's 4 million promise.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 16, 2007, 08:18:55 AM
Can someone point me to this promise of 4 million consoles?  I'm pretty sure I remember that figure being a target, not a promise, and unless you're William Tell's son, you shouldn't get so upset when someone misses a target.  Seriously, I can't find any official word from Nintendo that says "4 million" and not "expected" or "approximately."  Slashdot and GameSpot both used the word "promise" in headlines, but the only words directly from Nintendo in those articles were in Reggie's warning that they'd be hard to find.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 16, 2007, 08:21:48 AM
Last I heard, Nintendo still said they shipped 2 million to North America, and we don't know yet whether the UK figures are included in the Europe numbers. In the best case scenario, this would add 0.8 million to the total numbers, raising them to 3.95 million..

EDIT: PartyBear, it wasn't a promise. It was just a sales target - 4 million by the end of the year, 6 million by the end of the fiscal year.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 16, 2007, 08:31:44 AM
Exactly my point.  Thanks.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on January 16, 2007, 08:39:59 AM
I don't understand why the UK numbers wouldn't be part of the Europe numbers? That would be like saying New York City wasn't included in the U.S.A numbers...

I wish Nintendo would start releasing more Wii games, like they are releasing DS games.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2007, 05:26:29 PM
Canadian NPD for 2006

Software:
1. PS2 NHL 07
2. DS New Super Mario Bros
3. 360 Gears of War
4. PS2 Final Fantasy XII
5. Wii The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
6. PS2 Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
7. DS Super Mario 64 DS
8. PS2 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
9. DS Brain Age: Train Your Brain
10. PS2 Gran Turismo 4

Hardware:
DS 374,000
PS2 327,000
360 252,000
GBA 237,000
PSP 176,500
GCN 89,000
Wii 84,000
PS3 45,000
XBX 32,000

Uh-Oh
Quote

The Wii outsold the PS3 in November, but the PS3 outsold its rival in December as Sony managed to get more units to market.

"It was all supply," said Ryce. "In both cases, if there had been a higher level of inventory out there, they definitely would have sold more. These were the two hottest need-to-find kind of articles for Christmas this year.


And for those wondering why those #'s for the whole entire year are so low, here is a
Population comparison.

Canada: 2007 estimate 32,801,800
USA: 2007 estimate 300,965,000

Canada is roughly 10% of the U.S. population. And Nintendo really need to bump up the Wii supply.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on January 16, 2007, 05:31:21 PM
I've still yet to see  Wii in stores. *hugs his*
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 16, 2007, 05:36:46 PM
Yeah, December definitely was a dry month over here.. Any actual numbers for software? I don't doubt that Zelda would have been tops if there were enough Wiis - I seem to remember an article about how well the series sells in Canada. We're also the only country who would have a hockey game as the top selling game of the year

The 360 numbers are definitely lower than Microsoft expected - that's probably why on Boxing Day they were going for up to $150 less than retail price here..
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 17, 2007, 02:15:02 AM
It's interesting: every region except Japan is topped by it's favourite sport: Football in the U.S. Soccer/Football in Europe, and Hockey in Canada.  Japan is the only place where sports games don't top the charts (although I think Soccer does really well there, and Wii Sports is aiming to change that )
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on January 17, 2007, 03:33:36 AM
What is the official favorite sport of Japan?  I hear they really like Baseball.

Oh and on the UK thing I think that be more akin to NoA releasing separate numbers for Canada and then the rest of North America, which I think they do.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: zakkiel on January 17, 2007, 03:44:08 AM
Quote

A total of 3.15 million worldwide in 2006 as compared to Nintendo's 4 million promise.



Sigh...

Herewith, the formal disclaimer that shall be appended to any Nintendo sales, shipping, or release date announcement:

Quote

The following date/number is a target, a goal we anticipate reaching. It is in no way a promise to you. We know that every fan on the Internet cherishes the belief that he or she is the apple of our eye and every press release and announcement we make is in some way a pledge made directly to that person. Trust us: you are deluded. We are a business. In the business world, promises are called contracts, agreements, warrantees, etc., whose violation is legally actionable. We make many promises of this nature; for example, we promise to fix or replace your Wii if it proves defective within 12 months of purchase. The reason we restrict our promises to warrantees and similar items is that we can guarantee our ability to keep these kinds promises. The vicissitudes of the industry make release dates and shipping targets guesses at best. So please: take the following as our goal, and spare us all more stupid blathering about promises if we fail to meet it.
 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: JonLeung on January 17, 2007, 03:58:34 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ceric
What is the official favorite sport of Japan?  I hear they really like Baseball.


I thought baseball was supposedly America's sport, even though I'd wager basketball has been much more popular for a long time.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Edfishy on January 17, 2007, 04:22:09 AM
Quote

I thought baseball was supposedly America's sport, even though I'd wager basketball has been much more popular for a long time.


If they knocked out five or so innings, and gave a 30 second countdown timer before the Pitcher had to pitch the ball, it would probably be a lot more popular.  Maybe even allow the outfielders to throw a rubber ball(as long as they're currently possessing the ball that was hit) at any man running towards a base to tag him out.

Basketball and Football are simply much faster paced games than Baseball, and most Americans don't have the willpower or attention span to watch a whole Baseball game through to the end.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on January 17, 2007, 05:41:09 AM
I prefer Baseball in person.  Its a great in person game.  Terrible TV game.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 17, 2007, 06:03:52 AM
Well, zakkiel's definitely back..

Quote

It's interesting: every region except Japan is topped by it's favourite sport: Football in the U.S. Soccer/Football in Europe, and Hockey in Canada. Japan is the only place where sports games don't top the charts (although I think Soccer does really well there, and Wii Sports is aiming to change that )
Not in Australia, either, I don't think.. unless cricket and rugby games do really well.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2007, 06:04:35 AM
Famitsu Jan 8th - 14th

01. [Wii] Wii Sports
02. [Wii] Play Wii
03. [DS] Pokemon
04. [DS] DQMJ
05. [DS] Common Sense Training
06. [DS] New SMB
07. [DS] Brain Training 2
08. [DS] Animal Crossing WW
09. [DS] kirby
10. [DS] MKDS

Quote

It's interesting: every region except Japan is topped by it's favourite sport: Football in the U.S. Soccer/Football in Europe, and Hockey in Canada. Japan is the only place where sports games don't top the charts (although I think Soccer does really well there, and Wii Sports is aiming to change that )

I' pretty sure Baseball and Golf are really popular in Japan and both of those are included in Wii Sports

edit: Forgot to mention that this will be the 2nd week in a row where the Top 10 is ALL NINTENDO
we'll have to wait and see if M-Create has the same results, although I'm sure they do cause Famitsu usually combines the Pokemons and MC seperates them.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 17, 2007, 06:26:23 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 And Nintendo really need to bump up the Wii supply.


Finally, someone is saying it other than me...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on January 17, 2007, 06:40:19 AM
Let me, see if I can get this straight... Before Nintendo took the entire top10, the first time, no one company had ever taken the entire top10 before, ever? Or was it that no single system had ever taken the entire top10 before? (like the DS did)

Either way it's awesome for Nintendo. Which means more games and support from 3rd parties.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on January 17, 2007, 07:42:03 AM
Japanese national sport? Um, what about football?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 17, 2007, 07:44:10 AM
sUMO
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 17, 2007, 10:50:42 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: zakkiel
Quote

A total of 3.15 million worldwide in 2006 as compared to Nintendo's 4 million promise.



Sigh...

Herewith, the formal disclaimer that shall be appended to any Nintendo sales, shipping, or release date announcement:

Quote

The following date/number is a target, a goal we anticipate reaching. It is in no way a promise to you. We know that every fan on the Internet cherishes the belief that he or she is the apple of our eye and every press release and announcement we make is in some way a pledge made directly to that person. Trust us: you are deluded. We are a business. In the business world, promises are called contracts, agreements, warrantees, etc., whose violation is legally actionable. We make many promises of this nature; for example, we promise to fix or replace your Wii if it proves defective within 12 months of purchase. The reason we restrict our promises to warrantees and similar items is that we can guarantee our ability to keep these kinds promises. The vicissitudes of the industry make release dates and shipping targets guesses at best. So please: take the following as our goal, and spare us all more stupid blathering about promises if we fail to meet it.



BLARGH.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 17, 2007, 11:34:55 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
Let me, see if I can get this straight... Before Nintendo took the entire top10, the first time, no one company had ever taken the entire top10 before, ever? Or was it that no single system had ever taken the entire top10 before? (like the DS did)

Either way it's awesome for Nintendo. Which means more games and support from 3rd parties.


I wouldn't be suprised if PS2 did it before the DS came out.  The PS2 was dominating everything for a time, even GBA games weren't selling as well as PS2 games.  But now that the DS is the dominant force in Japan, not even a new PS2 game can stay up there for long.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on January 17, 2007, 12:14:22 PM
PS2 actually never had the entire top 10 to itself. There was always GBA games or the odd GC game up there. I remember this because it was a big deal when DS did grab the top 10, and the fact it was the first system to do so was pointed out.
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
Well, zakkiel's definitely back..

Quote

It's interesting: every region except Japan is topped by it's favourite sport: Football in the U.S. Soccer/Football in Europe, and Hockey in Canada. Japan is the only place where sports games don't top the charts (although I think Soccer does really well there, and Wii Sports is aiming to change that )
Not in Australia, either, I don't think.. unless cricket and rugby games do really well.

They do and V8 Supercars.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 17, 2007, 01:37:10 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Mario
PS2 actually never had the entire top 10 to itself. There was always GBA games or the odd GC game up there. I remember this because it was a big deal when DS did grab the top 10, and the fact it was the first system to do so was pointed out.



Well, I'm guessing the Famicom did it back in the 80s.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on January 17, 2007, 02:26:58 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Mario
PS2 actually never had the entire top 10 to itself. There was always GBA games or the odd GC game up there. I remember this because it was a big deal when DS did grab the top 10, and the fact it was the first system to do so was pointed out.
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
Well, zakkiel's definitely back..

Quote

It's interesting: every region except Japan is topped by it's favourite sport: Football in the U.S. Soccer/Football in Europe, and Hockey in Canada. Japan is the only place where sports games don't top the charts (although I think Soccer does really well there, and Wii Sports is aiming to change that )
Not in Australia, either, I don't think.. unless cricket and rugby games do really well.

They do and V8 Supercars.


MMMMMM supercars!

What's the GTO called in aussie land again? The new one I mean, but you should know that.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2007, 05:40:50 PM
Some how a PSP game snuck into the Nintendo Top 10

Media Create Jan. 8th - 14th

Software:
1. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 61,399 / 794,118
2. (DS, Square Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 55,180 / 916,000
3. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 54,578 / 719,089
4. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training - 35,819 / 1,098,912
5. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Brothers - 34,628 / 4,003,134
6. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 32,865 / 3,838,652
7. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World - 32,864 / 3,876,696
8. (PSP, Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops - 28,152 / 306,359
9. (DS, Nintendo) Pokemon Diamond - 22,982 / 2,502,801
10. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS - 22,640 / 1,997,233
~
11. Kirby Squeak Squad (NDS, Nintendo)
12. English Training (NDS, Nintendo)
13. Pokémon Pearl (NDS, Nintendo)
14. Yakuza - The Best (PS2, Sega)
15. DS Menu Collection (NDS, Nintendo)
16. Jump Ultimate Stars (NDS, Nintendo)
17. Kanji Test (NDS, Rocket Co.)
18. Zelda Twilight Princess (Wii, Nintendo) 17,000 / 342,000
19. Brain Training (NDS, Nintendo)
20. Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Wii, Nintendo)
21. Yakuza 2 (PS2, Sega)
22. Tales of the World (PSP, Namco)
23. Monster Hunter Freedom (PSP, Capcom)
24. Oshare Majô Love & Berry (NDS, Sega)
25. 2 millions Kanji (NDS, IE Institute)
26. Seiken Densetsu 4 (PS2, Square-Enix)
27. The Battle of Yu Yu Hakusho (PS2, Banpresto)
28. DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (Wii, Bandai) 12,000 / 78,000
29. Pokémon Battle Revolution (Wii, Nintendo)
30. Cooking Navigator (NDS, Nintendo)

More Software #'s:

36. DS Shiren 7,400 / 147,000?
38. DS FF3 7,200 / 964,000?
40. PS3 Resistance: Fall of Man 6,300 / 100,000
43. DS Power Pro Kun Pocket 9 5,800 / 100,000?
48. PS3 Gundam 5,200 / 116,000
55. DS Chocobo 4,700 / 82,000
67. Wii Bleach 3,700 / 46,000?
72. Wii Elebits  3,500 / 35,000?
88. DS Tingle RPG  5,700 / 213,000
96. Wii SD Gundam  5,000 / 30,000

Hardware:
To follow as usual

NSMB finally crosses the 4million mark, 2nd only to the combined force of Pokemon D/P
and Mario Kart DS is gonna finally make that 2 million mark next week.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on January 17, 2007, 06:37:39 PM
Konami is probably regretting putting MGS on the PSP.

If a nation's favourite sport always tops the charts, Japan's favourite sport is whining like an emo while repeatedly bashing monsters that appear from nowhere.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2007, 04:28:41 AM
Before I post these *unconfirmed* hardware #'s, just remember that Saony has released a PR statement saying that they have just Shipped 1 Million PS3's in Japan.
Last week the PS3 LTD in Japan was 527,502 units according to Media Create.

Unconfirmed
Hardware (Not MC):
DSL: 110k
Wii: 96k
PSP: 45k
PS3: 34k :0
PS2: 24k
360: 9k <--- Gears of War relesed in Japan today, so maybe 360 will have another spike in sales.

If these #'s turn out to be anything like MC #'s, then Wii only fell about 7k units short of outselling all Sony platforms combined. Sony better hope those other 400k+ units that are supposedly at retailers(and sitting on shelves) end up getting bought over this next week, or they could be in some serious trouble (with 3rd parties) in Japan.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 18, 2007, 04:59:54 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: KDR_11k If a nation's favourite sport always tops the charts, Japan's favourite sport is whining like an emo while repeatedly bashing monsters that appear from nowhere.


That's TWICE that we agree...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 18, 2007, 08:41:22 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Before I post these *unconfirmed* hardware #'s, just remember that Saony has released a PR statement saying that they have just Shipped 1 Million PS3's in Japan.
Last week the PS3 LTD in Japan was 527,502 units according to Media Create.

Unconfirmed
Hardware (Not MC):
DSL: 110k
Wii: 96k
PSP: 45k
PS3: 34k :0
PS2: 24k
360: 9k <--- Gears of War relesed in Japan today, so maybe 360 will have another spike in sales.

If these #'s turn out to be anything like MC #'s, then Wii only fell about 7k units short of outselling all Sony platforms combined. Sony better hope those other 400k+ units that are supposedly at retailers(and sitting on shelves) end up getting bought over this next week, or they could be in some serious trouble (with 3rd parties) in Japan.



Gears of War spiking Japan sales? I really doubt that, the Japanese seldom are impressed with shooters, especially American shooters, or in Gears of War, a generic shooter masked with good controls.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 18, 2007, 08:46:04 AM
In jay-pan, speed bumps are considered xbox sales spikes.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 18, 2007, 11:03:28 AM
Hey, BlackNMild, where are all these numbers coming from? Not doubting you, just need a link so I can shove it in someone's face.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on January 18, 2007, 11:15:49 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Hey, BlackNMild, where are all these numbers coming from? Not doubting you, just need a link so I can shove it in someone's face.


http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html

Not sure about BlackNMild's particular source, but the firm is Media Create, and they list the data on their site (in Japanese); however, they don't have the current numbers up yet, which should include the console sales.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 18, 2007, 11:22:40 AM
/r/ those in english plz.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on January 18, 2007, 12:13:28 PM
http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7414
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 18, 2007, 12:22:09 PM
Ah, thanks.

Do we have weekly sales numbers for the US?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on January 18, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
Media Create Hardware is up

Wii 93,708
DSL 89,287
PSP 48,804
PS3 25,531
PS2 22,663
Xbox360 9,035
GBM 1,959
GBASP 1,547
GC 611
GBA 79
DS 41

We have a new king...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on January 18, 2007, 01:15:19 PM
HOLY CRAP! DS has failed and Nintendo is doomed.



Oh wait. My bad.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 18, 2007, 01:16:32 PM
Those PS3 numbers are horribly low.. I'm assuming it isn't sold out everywhere right now
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 18, 2007, 01:33:31 PM
If Sony didn't lie about shipping 1 million PS3s, then it isn't sold out ANYWHERE.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 18, 2007, 01:51:23 PM
I've seen PS3s at about every store I come across now, it is really quite sad, even the Xbox 360 was harder to find just after the holidays.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 18, 2007, 01:51:44 PM
It's hilarious that Sony's numbers were actually 9K lower. Wii outsold PS3 in Japan this week by nearly 4:1, Sony must have shipped all their extra consoles to the US to satisfy the massive demand here. Oh wait I forgot, we already have too many PS3s here.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on January 18, 2007, 01:52:50 PM
Sony announced they shipped 1 million to Japan, so there's over 400,000 sitting on the shelves there.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: zakkiel on January 18, 2007, 02:30:59 PM
You know, I told myself that the Wii's innovation would draw vast crowds and the PS3's price point would insure it would sink if not outright tank. But I joined Team Nintendo in the N64 era; the pessimism has sunk deep into my soul. Now, watching in awe as the PS3 zooms beneath even the lowest expecation like a limbo-master on rocket-powered roller blades, I'm prepared to say: they've lost. I said I would wait until units were readily available on stores, and in Sony's case, that's already happened. In the Wii's case, God only knows when it will. It's not doom yet, but from here out, any rallying by Sony will be only a rearguard action, an effort to salvage something of their former prestige. And that leaves Japan to us.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on January 18, 2007, 02:33:42 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
Let me, see if I can get this straight... Before Nintendo took the entire top10, the first time, no one company had ever taken the entire top10 before, ever? Or was it that no single system had ever taken the entire top10 before? (like the DS did)



I'd wager if we went back far enough Nintendo probably did that quite a bit in the Original GameBoy and NES heyday.


Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 18, 2007, 04:15:47 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: zakkiel
You know, I told myself that the Wii's innovation would draw vast crowds and the PS3's price point would insure it would sink if not outright tank. But I joined Team Nintendo in the N64 era; the pessimism has sunk deep into my soul. Now, watching in awe as the PS3 zooms beneath even the lowest expecation like a limbo-master on rocket-powered roller blades, I'm prepared to say: they've lost. I said I would wait until units were readily available on stores, and in Sony's case, that's already happened. In the Wii's case, God only knows when it will. It's not doom yet, but from here out, any rallying by Sony will be only a rearguard action, an effort to salvage something of their former prestige. And that leaves Japan to us.


I wouldn't be so quick to shrug off your years of hardened pessimism.

LAUNCH PERIOD MEANS NOTHING! NINTENDO AM DOOMED! WII THE NEXT PSP!!!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on January 18, 2007, 04:18:00 PM
Were the systems sales even tracked back then, except by the video game companies themselves though?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2007, 05:21:15 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Mario
Media Create Hardware is up

Wii 93,708
DSL 89,287
PSP 48,804
PS3 25,531
PS2 22,663
Xbox360 9,035
GBM 1,959
GBASP 1,547
GC 611
GBA 79
DS 41

We have a new king...
Ouch thats even worse than I thought, Wii almost outsold all of Sony by itself, and personally I think Nintendo undershipped DS to give Wii the #1 spot. They ramped up DS production but ship less than they were manufacturing before the boost?

And people are saying that PS3's are abundant in Japan and are not selling. So unless next weeks chart looks like:

PS3 401,237
Wii 92,876
DSL 91,432
etc. etc. etc.

then I think Sony is in some serious trouble. Price drops will have to come sooner that later, even though Sony can't afford them.

edit:
Quote

Originally posted by: Arbok
Quote

Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
Hey, BlackNMild, where are all these numbers coming from? Not doubting you, just need a link so I can shove it in someone's face.


http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html

Not sure about BlackNMild's particular source, but the firm is Media Create, and they list the data on their site (in Japanese); however, they don't have the current numbers up yet, which should include the console sales.


This is where the early software #'s come from: http://eg.nttpub.co.jp/ranking.html
But you need to know Japanese to understand what most of it is. They post the MC #'s before the MC website is updated, but I get them already translated from another forum.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 19, 2007, 03:59:36 AM
I'm sure Nintendo took the top 10 regularly in both the NES and Super NES eras, if anyone was keeping track.

It's interesting to see Sony fans continually push back the milestone for determining system popularity.  First Nintendo won at E3, and everyone said, "We'll see what happens when they come out", then Nintendo won at launch, and everyone said, "We'll see what happens when they're in good supply", then Nintendo kept winning after Sony caught up to demand, and now everyone says, "We'll see what happens when Sony gets some good games", or, "We won't know for sure until the 2007 holiday season."  The next fallback point is, "We'll see what happens when Sony drops it's price low enough."

I think Sony may manage to come out ahead of Nintendo in North America for a few months at some point, but Nintendo has won Japan.  I think Sony is done.  Microsoft might stand a good chance in Europe or North America, but I'm even betting Nintendo will win those territories, eventually.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on January 19, 2007, 04:36:47 AM
Isn't this the first time any of the XBoxes beat the GBA combined totals?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 19, 2007, 05:57:30 AM
I'm eagerly watching the sales numbers, trying to anticipate when/if the Wii will pass the X360 in sales.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on January 19, 2007, 06:21:59 AM
We'll see what happens when Sony drops it's price low enough.

Of course we will. We will see how Sony has been crushed, driven before Reggie with their women lamenting. Yes, when Sony drops the price that'll be the first admission of defeat.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 19, 2007, 06:24:05 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
I'm eagerly watching the sales numbers, trying to anticipate when/if the Wii will pass the X360 in sales.


"When".

It'll happen, they just need to up manufacturing and get those Wiis out the door.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 19, 2007, 06:28:03 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: KDR_11k
We'll see what happens when Sony drops it's price low enough.

Of course we will. We will see how Sony has been crushed, driven before Reggie with their women lamenting. Yes, when Sony drops the price that'll be the first admission of defeat.


So true.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2007, 06:52:04 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I'm sure Nintendo took the top 10 regularly in both the NES and Super NES eras, if anyone was keeping track.

It's interesting to see Sony fans continually push back the milestone for determining system popularity.  First Nintendo won at E3, and everyone said, "We'll see what happens when they come out", then Nintendo won at launch, and everyone said, "We'll see what happens when they're in good supply", then Nintendo kept winning after Sony caught up to demand, and now everyone says, "We'll see what happens when Sony gets some good games", or, "We won't know for sure until the 2007 holiday season."  The next fallback point is, "We'll see what happens when Sony drops it's price low enough."
Doesn't this seem kinda familiar? Its basically the same thing everyone said about the GC back in 2000/2001.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 19, 2007, 08:17:57 AM
Probably!  I don't remember much about that period, I was between forums.  I remember before the system came out the site I was visiting was surprisingly negative about Nintendo (for a Nintendo-only site) - maybe I should have seen that as a sign.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 19, 2007, 10:17:29 AM
I would not count Nintendo as defeating Microsoft and the Xbox 360...yet.

We had one good holiday season launch.  Sunday will be the first day since that holiday season sell out to buy new units, and will be the first true test of Wii's lasting demand.  But even with this shipment selling out it is going to do a massive amount of catching up...and then retain a staying power throughout.

I am not saying it WON'T happen, because obviously, Wii's success in Japan will be much greater than Xbox 360s.  But its not going to happen over night.

As for the PS3...we will begin to see sales of it increase when there is actually quality games worth buying on the system...and a price drop to bring the price closer to Xbox 360s...but by the time that happens, the Xbox will sell for $50-100 less as well.  2007 will be an interesting year for the console war.

I personally predict by holiday season 2007 the Wii will retail at $149.99 with Wii Sports, or even with a combo game of Wii Sports and Wii Sports 2.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: zakkiel on January 19, 2007, 12:53:28 PM
Sony is already losing ~$250 on each console sold. How much a price drop are you really expecting? And, given how deep in debt they are, how much of a price cut can they afford without declaring bankruptcy?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 19, 2007, 12:58:07 PM
Quote

I personally predict by holiday season 2007 the Wii will retail at $149.99 with Wii Sports, or even with a combo game of Wii Sports and Wii Sports 2
$150 US? That, I can safely say, is guaranteed not to happen. We'll be lucky to get even a $30 price drop in the next year.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 19, 2007, 12:58:23 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I would not count Nintendo as defeating Microsoft and the Xbox 360...yet.

We had one good holiday season launch.  Sunday will be the first day since that holiday season sell out to buy new units, and will be the first true test of Wii's lasting demand.  But even with this shipment selling out it is going to do a massive amount of catching up...and then retain a staying power throughout.

I am not saying it WON'T happen, because obviously, Wii's success in Japan will be much greater than Xbox 360s.  But its not going to happen over night.

As for the PS3...we will begin to see sales of it increase when there is actually quality games worth buying on the system...and a price drop to bring the price closer to Xbox 360s...but by the time that happens, the Xbox will sell for $50-100 less as well.  2007 will be an interesting year for the console war.

I personally predict by holiday season 2007 the Wii will retail at $149.99 with Wii Sports, or even with a combo game of Wii Sports and Wii Sports 2.


I don't see Wii having much trouble what so ever catching up with 360 worldwide, it already has about 1/3 of the Xbox 360's userbase.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2007, 05:04:42 PM
Actually if we go by shipped and sold,  Nintendo Wii has actually SOLD 40% (4 million WW)
to Microsofts 10 Million Shipped.

If things keep selling the way they are, they should have not only caught up to the 360 by summer, but actually left them in comfortable* 2nd place come fall.

*comfortable as in not too close to 1st or 3rd.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2007, 05:43:33 PM
Media Create Sales Jan 15th - 21st

Software:
1. PS2 (Bandai-Namco) .hack//G.U. Vol. 3 - 136790 / 136790
2. NDS (Nintendo) Wario: The Seven - 91249 / 91249
3. PS2 (Sega) Shining Force EXA - 72306 / 72306
4. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Sports - 57418 / 851535
5. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Play - 45724 / 764813
6. PS2 (Flight-Plan) Dragon Shadow Spell - 40541 / 40541
7. 360 (Microsoft) Gears of War - 33212 / 33212
8. NDS (Atlus) Etrian Odyssey - 32511 / 32511
9. NDS (Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training - 31735 / 1130647
10. NDS (Nintendo) More Brain Age - 29626 / 3868279
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11. NDS (Nintendo) New Super Mario Brothers
12. NDS (Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
13. Wii (Nintendo) Excite Truck
14. PSP (Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
15. NDS (MTO) Tea Dog's Room DS 2
16. NDS (Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
17. NDS (Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond
18. NDS (Nintendo) English Training
19. NDS (IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
20. NDS (Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
21. NDS (Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
22. NDS (Spike) IQ Supply
23. NDS (Nintendo) Brain Training
24. Wii (Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
25. PS2 (Sega) Yakuza
26. Wii (Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
27. NDS (Rocket) Co. Kanji Test
28. NDS (Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
29. PSP (Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
30. NDS (Sega) Love+Berry
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31 NDS (Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars
32 PS2 (Broccoli) Meitantei Evangelion
33 PS2 (Sega) Yakuza 2
34 PSP (Bandai-Namco) Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology
35 NDS (Shougaku-kan) DS Yama Method Math Drills
36 NDS (Bandai-Namco) Heisei Education Committee DS
37 NDS (Sega) Puyo-Puyo
38 NDS (Nintendo) Tetris DS
39 NDS (Nintendo) Cooking Navi
40 Wii (Bandai-Namco) Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2
41 Wii (Pokemon) Pokemon Battle Revolution
42 NDS (Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker
43 NDS (Square-Enix) Final Fantasy III (bundle)
44 PS2 (Square-Enix) Seiken Densetsu 4
45 NDS (Bandai-Namco) Tamagotchi no Puchi-Puchi Omisecchi Gohiiki ni
46 NDS (Sega) Mysterious Dungeon: Fuurai no Shiren DS
47 PS2 (Hudson) Momotarou Dentetsu 16
48 PSP (Konami) World Soccer Winning Eleven 10: Ubiquitous Evolution
49 NDS (Capcom) Mega Man Star Force: Pegasus
50 GBA (Square-Enix) Final Fantasy VI Advance

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | 2007 | LTD

1.) DSL – 127,647 | 89,287 | 561,812 | 7,985,136
2.) Wii – 86,395 | 93,708 | 375,434 | 1,295,077
3.) PSP -37,032 | 48,804 | 204,022 | 4,736,151
4.) PS3 – 21,105 | 25,531 | 116,580 | 574,138
5.) PS2 – 20,169 | 22,663 | 94,869 | 20,249,728
6.) X360 – 7,041 | 9,035 | 34,311 | 299,013
7.) GBm – 1,864 | 1,959 | 7,134 | 567,064
8.) GBA SP -1,498 | 1,547 | 5,409 | 5,920,449
9.) GC - 554 | 611| 2,423 | 4,171,891
10.) DS - 123 | 41 | 239 | 6,582,594
11.) GBA - 94 | 79 | 230 | 8,823,339

Top 30:
NDS - 18
Wii - 5
PS2 - 4
PSP - 2
360 - 1

Top 50:
NDS - 29
PS2 - 8
Wii - 7
PSP - 4
GBA - 1
360 - 1
PS3 - 0    
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on January 24, 2007, 06:52:29 PM
Hahahaha. Gears was supposed to be a smash hit that sold out. So much for that.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2007, 07:01:01 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Artimus
Hahahaha. Gears was supposed to be a smash hit that sold out. So much for that.
I think it did sell out, I hear that MS undershipped as they didn't really expect it to sell, or they are trying to create som sort of false hype. but either way, if it doesn't improve on the next chart don't expect it to be around on the one after that.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on January 24, 2007, 08:45:01 PM
huh? DQM: Joker sure droped off in a hurry Didn't even make the top 30!? wtf?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 24, 2007, 09:51:18 PM
Believe it my friends, the X360 is firmly entrenched in Japan with a hardcore following 100,000 strong at least that will ensure its token survival into the future.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 24, 2007, 09:57:39 PM
NPD was right! Read here for Nintendo worldwide total of 2006!

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The company held firm to its previous forecast for consolidated worldwide shipments of 6 million Wii hardware systems by the end of the fiscal year. Nintendo manufactured 4 million Wii systems by the end of 2006 and during that time sold and delivered 3.19 million to its distributors and retail    customers around the world.


~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on January 25, 2007, 12:33:57 AM
Wii game sales are likely in direct correlation with system shortages, they need to up production.

I still need my own, sharing one with my brother is rather annoying. Also we would have 2 copies of many games, and I would buy more games since I would have more freedom to play them. I'm sure there are many others in my position.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on January 25, 2007, 03:11:50 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote

Originally posted by: Artimus
Hahahaha. Gears was supposed to be a smash hit that sold out. So much for that.
I think it did sell out, I hear that MS undershipped as they didn't really expect it to sell, or they are trying to create som sort of false hype. but either way, if it doesn't improve on the next chart don't expect it to be around on the one after that.


It sold out in some locations but reports of a nation-wide sellout were fabricated by fanboys.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 25, 2007, 06:27:49 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
NPD was right! Read here for Nintendo worldwide total of 2006!

Quote

The company held firm to its previous forecast for consolidated worldwide shipments of 6 million Wii hardware systems by the end of the fiscal year. Nintendo manufactured 4 million Wii systems by the end of 2006 and during that time sold and delivered 3.19 million to its distributors and retail    customers around the world.


~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


And Nintendo was right when they said a good chunk of units were still in-transit (probably for the recent re-launch).
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2007, 06:30:52 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Hocotate
huh? DQM: Joker sure droped off in a hurry Didn't even make the top 30!? wtf?
I addressed this in the DS sales thread, but I'll repeat it here too(since no one really pays attention to the DS one anymore).

DQM:J was a virtual sell out as of last weeks chart and S-E was not able to manufacture more for about a week. So no DQM:J on this weeks chart but will be available for sale this week and will show up on next weeks chart. Its very similar to what happened with FFIII. They underestimated demand.

and here are some unconfirmed hardware #'s

DSL 114,002
Wii 87,360
PSP 35,274
PS2 28,491
PS3 21,192 uh oh
Xbox360 10,164

If these #'s turn out to be true, looks like Sony overestimated their appeal to the Japanese public. PS3 is readily available in Japan in both 60 & 20GB flavors and one store even had a 20% discount for the 20GB(they apolpogized to Sony for it) just to get them off of their shelves.

"we could sell 5 million PS3's even w/o games" -paraphrased from memory

Sony is trying hard to make that statemnt true, cause if they don't get their 1st party games out soon(one has been reduced to a Download due to high development cost) I don't think too many 3rd parties are gonna be making many games for the PS3 either, so they'll have no choice but to sell the system w/o any games. Considering the games that they do have out aren't even selling. I think this is the 2nd week in a row w/o a PS3 game in the Top 30.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on January 25, 2007, 08:26:08 AM
Quote

DQM:J was a virtual sell out as of last weeks chart and S-E was not able to manufacture more for about a week. So no DQM:J on this weeks chart but will be available for sale this week and will show up on next weeks chart. Its very similar to what happened with FFIII. They underestimated demand
What the hell is wrong with Square? First, they told Nintendo they wanted to publish FFIII themselves, because they obviously knew it was going to sell well. They even told Nintendo to get enough DS units available at launch. Then they screwed it up horribly, and because of the shortage people lost interest in it. It sold way less than it could have.

I mean, how can you underestimate the sales of a Dragon Quest game (spinoff or not) on the DS of all systems, and in Japan of all places? You'd think they would learn..
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2007, 05:12:42 PM
Hardware #'s:
DSL 127,647
Wii 86,395
PSP 37,032
PS3 21,105
PS2 20,169
Xbox360 7,041
GBM 1,864
GBASP 1,498
GC 554
DS 123
GBA 94

Wii > PSP+PS2+PS3

and PS3 doesn't even have a single game in the Top 50. I never expected it to be this bad...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on January 25, 2007, 05:41:41 PM
Where are they still finding original model GBAs to sell?

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 26, 2007, 11:59:32 AM
This is the reason why I said with full confidence when the Wii launched in Japan that Nintendo had retaken the Japanese home market.  The PS3 is just way to expensive for the average Japanese person to buy and has nothing in it's schedule that will make people want to buy the system until Final Fantasy XIII comes out.  And that wont be out until 2008.  

By that time the Wii should have at least a 5-10 million system advantage in Japan and a majority of Japanese third party support locked up.  

I'm going to say it right now, the PS3 will not break the 5 million mark in Japan.  Mark my words.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 27, 2007, 11:35:08 AM
Nintendo's said they're increasing the manufacturing numbers to a million a month or more come April...

If Nintendo hits 6 million "manufactured" by March 31, then goes on with this new manufacturing plan... they could have 18 million consoles manufactured by March '08, just 3 or 4 million away from the GC's worldwide total!

Also, assuming they sell every one of those manufactured items... (that's a definite IF of course) that means that in 14 months they might be tied or even edging past the X360!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 27, 2007, 11:36:41 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
I'm going to say it right now, the PS3 will not break the 5 million mark in Japan.  Mark my words.


I say it'll put up a better fight than that. 8.5 million.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: willie1234 on January 27, 2007, 12:46:16 PM
they need to do a lot more than a million per month if they want to do ~80 mil over a 5 year lifespan.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 27, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
I don't think the Wii will do 80 mil worldwide in 5 years. I think right now the most optimistic projections for the Wii is more around 40 - 45 million worldwide. A three-way tie with no clear winner is looking more and more likely.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 27, 2007, 01:32:11 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
I don't think the Wii will do 80 mil worldwide in 5 years. I think right now the most optimistic projections for the Wii is more around 40 - 45 million worldwide. A three-way tie with no clear winner is looking more and more likely.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


I really do not think we will see a 3 Way tie, I don't think the game industry would support that. In fact I doubt there will be a two way tie but it is more likely than a 3 way. Personally I think the Wii's price point will put it out ahead of both Xbox 360 and PS3 with Xbox 360 coming in at second.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: willie1234 on January 27, 2007, 01:33:31 PM
well obviously if that's all they produce then that'll be the outcome...but the demand looks to be high, why couldn't it go out in front as the #1?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 29, 2007, 03:06:59 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
I don't think the Wii will do 80 mil worldwide in 5 years. I think right now the most optimistic projections for the Wii is more around 40 - 45 million worldwide. A three-way tie with no clear winner is looking more and more likely.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


That depends on whose projections you're talking about and how you define "optimistic".  My most optimistic prediction is 150 million for Wii.  The machine is definitely expanding the market (see Wii Sports and Wii Play in the Japanese top 5 basically every week since launch) therefore it has the potential to be the best-selling system of all time.

Of course, that's being very optimisitic, I think a more realistic prediction is somewhere in the 40-80 million range (that's a very wide range because, hey, we're all just guessing here).  Also, I'm no professional, but when it comes to predicting console wars just a few months in, one person's guess is as good as another's.  Actually, I know one person who predicted PS2 v. GameCube v. Xbox pretty nicely.  He was NOT an analyst, but someone's bound to guess right, no?

On the subject of producing 1 million per month, don't forget that we're talking about the first year of the system's lifespan here - it could sell a lot more after the price drops and key disruptive software is added to the market.  See DS.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on January 29, 2007, 04:58:24 AM
OK,  I think in its lifetime the PS3 will sell over 15 Million IF Sony sticks to the original lifecycle, if memory serves they want the system to last ~10 years.

On the Wii side I really don't know but I don't expect the Wii to actually have a full 5 year lifespan.  I personally figure that 3-4 years at most.  By that time Nintendo will have a good idea of peoples reaction to the whole system and it's experimentation.  At that point they'll release a system that addresses the major complaints.  This system will be up to what Nintendo believes to be the proper specs to run "True HD" content, think actual 1080p with "ease", just sort of leapfroging the intermediate step.  This System will use the same basic architecture of the Cube and Wii but, will lose GCN backward compatibilty in favor of more uniformed access.  This support will be replaced by Gamecube games being available through the VC.  SD cards will still be the prefer external memory.  The internal memory will be flash based, or similar technology, but be in the double if not triple digits, depends on advancement.  The Media will be optical based unless better/cheaper has come along, possibility dual format with Flash based Carts and Optical co-existing.  In turn the disc will be proportietary in nature and be a knock-off of a popular standard.  Unfortunately though the enhancements will mean that the system will still take the same amount of power.  Also Nintendo will be only releasing a Revision of the Wiimote.  In fact more then likely they will keep compatibility with Wiimotes and accessories.  This product will in turn have a long lifecycle, ~6-8 years if not more.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 29, 2007, 05:14:56 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I really do not think we will see a 3 Way tie, I don't think the game industry would support that. In fact I doubt there will be a two way tie but it is more likely than a 3 way. Personally I think the Wii's price point will put it out ahead of both Xbox 360 and PS3 with Xbox 360 coming in at second.


I think the Wii has it. Not only do I think the Wii has it, but I think it has it by leaps and bounds.

The PS2 sold 120 million units in its lifetime and was a console which did nothing to expand the market.

Personally, I believe the Wii will, in fact, be able to beat those numbers, especially if some 3rd party devs can drop some killer titles which push the concept to its limits.

It also depends on Nintendo's manufacturing. They NEED new factories and need them badly. The Wii will need more than a million a month if it's going to keep up with worldwide demand.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on January 29, 2007, 05:33:29 PM
Its hard to predict far into the future, maybe in another 3-4 years 1080p will be commonplace and affordable PS3s with ungodly beautiful epic games will be all the rage. Maybe the Wii will never get its Nintendogs or Brain Age... maybe Microsoft will finally crack the Japanese market.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2007, 07:20:09 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: jasonditz
Its hard to predict far into the future, maybe in another 3-4 years 1080p will be commonplace and affordable PS3s with ungodly beautiful epic games will be all the rage. Maybe the Wii will never get its Nintendogs or Brain Age... maybe Microsoft will finally crack the Japanese market.


Too bad that by that time the PS3, Xbox 360 and the Wii will left in the dust when it comes to visuals when compared to the PC!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 30, 2007, 01:11:29 AM
I lol'd at 150 million. No way. PS2 barely broke 100 million, even if Sony's claims are to be believed.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 30, 2007, 09:34:26 AM
Well considering the PS2 was a horribly made system that broke way too easily, I wouldn't be surprised if alot of Sony's sales came from people having to buy a second or even a third PS2 because their old ones kept braking.

Hell I bet the amount of people that actually bought a PS2 is only around 70 - 80 million.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: utarefsoN on January 30, 2007, 11:14:11 AM
i know someone who is on their 5th ps2 in seven years....i kid you not.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 30, 2007, 05:04:40 PM
I've had 2 PS2s. I also had 3 Dreamcasts. Yes, 3. All at different times, not because of hardware problems, I just felt like getting rid of it and then regretted it later on...twice. Now I can just use Chankast and DCEmul instead.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 31, 2007, 02:46:09 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
I lol'd at 150 million. No way. PS2 barely broke 100 million, even if Sony's claims are to be believed.


Well, like I said, it's my most optimistic guess.  The dream is that Nintendo expands the market to the point where non-gamers outnumber existing gamers.  Even if PS2 is so unreliable that only 70 million are actually in circulation right now, all it takes is 80 million non-gamers to make up for that.  That's an uphill battle, but at the same time if you think of it in terms of just how many people don't buy game systems, it doesn't seem like so much.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2007, 05:03:51 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Hell I bet the amount of people that actually bought a PS2 is only around 70 - 80 million.
I would actually guess that the actual # of actual people that bought a PS2 is closer to 50 million once you factor in that some people bought second or third systems for different a room or to get the "new" model & some where replacement systems(stories of people on 2nd - 5th systems) to either replace a previously sold unit or one that was defective.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2007, 06:52:28 AM
But then we'd have to re-evaluate the GB, GBA and DS numbers.

I'm content to leave Sony's 100 million consoles shipped number alone. It's objective, and I have no problem with giving Sony some (but not all) of the credit for their own success.

You guys are starting to convince me that the Wii will win... at 50+ million units worldwide... especially looking at the Japanese sales charts.

The question now is whether Nintendo will get aggressive with marketting, pricing, manufacturing, and non-game development (in the Wii Sports, Brain Academy and AC vein) in order to not only capture, but fully explode into the new market of gamers they've opened up.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on January 31, 2007, 08:06:50 AM
It's a good thing, but also a bad thing, but I think Nintendo's best marketing is going to come by word of mouth and free press. I don't even watch commercials (ALL HAIL TIVO!!) but I notice twice as many GaayS3 commercials as I do Wii ones.

Yet the Wii continues to excel, much like how when I actually notice a DS commercial while fast forwarding I'll go back and watch it just because I see them on such rare occasions, and yet the GaaySP is on the boob tube non-stop, even the DS is trouncing it at every turn.

It's almost like Nintendo thinks their console is good enough to sell itself... oh wait, it kind of is. Although they should be pushing it more, especially games, when it comes to marketing.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 31, 2007, 09:13:23 AM
I've seen just one Wii commercial in all this time.  Actually, I think Nintendo is okay for marketing at this point - Wii is sold out all the time and the price has been sitting steady at about $340 on Ebay for about three weeks now.  Save the money for when supply catches up.

I keep trying to check myself, to figure out what it is I'm missing - some big strategy change that will make 360 or PS3 hugely popular, some stupid mistake on Nintendo's part - but so far, I just don't see anything but good news for Wii.  As long as Nintendo keeps pumping out games that appeal to the target audience, I see no reason for it to fail.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2007, 09:34:32 AM
I think what we're not seeing right now is that the X360 and the PS3 will become much more competitive in the future.

The X360 has some MAJOR titles in the pipes for 2007 2008 which, though they may be more hardcore stuff, are VERY epic, VERY impressive. I anticipate that not only Halo 3, but also Alan Wake, Mass Effect, and others will be landmark hardcore hits. (this is viewing things objectively without the bald space marine bias applied)

The PS3 will also inspire third parties to sell their souls to bleeding edge tech, and Naughty Dog's next game could be potentially AMAZING if it pulls off its promise. And of course, FFXIII will be a HUGE achievement and definitely a system seller, as will MGS 4. And we've yet to see what happens when God of War 3 or the next David Jaffe game lands on that monster, or how amazing Heavenly Sword or Lair will be to see in motion. PS3 will be playing catch-up, but there's no question that they've got a slate of really ambitious projects that promise to impress almost ANY observer.

And of course, you've got the X360/PS3 games that won't appear on the Wii: BioShock, and Oblivion for starters. Also, the Wii as of yet has no announced plans for Guitar Heroes (amazing game) or DDR (NO DDR ARE THEY CRAZY?!?!?!). AND until Nintendo does something on the karaoke front, Signstar will be the PS3's seller in Europe and the X360 has Karaoke Revolution, I believe.

I see plenty of competition for the Wii out in the distance. This is why one of my lingering worries is the Wii's software lineup in fall 2007 (are ANY third party games slated for Fall '07?!?!?! Will Fall '07 be bombarded by non-games and third party "kiddie" titles like Sims Wii and Harvest Moon?!?!?) and ESPECIALLY into 2008.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on January 31, 2007, 10:07:50 AM
Those are all fine - if you want to pay $50 - $350 US extra for your system and give up motion control and the Virtual Console.  I think Wii is so fundamentally different that comparing game lineups is almost irrelevant.

Games do matter, though, and I admit we need to hear more from third parties (though DS was built entirely on first-party successes, with third-party support following in the wake).  We also need to know that Nintendo has got more disruptive software lined up for the future, but all signs point to yes.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on January 31, 2007, 10:11:03 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon: I see plenty of competition for the Wii out in the distance. This is why one of my lingering worries is the Wii's software lineup in fall 2007 (are ANY third party games slated for Fall '07?!?!?! Will Fall '07 be bombarded by non-games and third party "kiddie" titles like Sims Wii and Harvest Moon?!?!?) and ESPECIALLY into 2008.



Actually, to be truthful, absolutely NO games are slated for Fall 07 yet on the Wii.  In fact, only GTA4 (Oct 17th) and Halo 3 (November something) are the only games actually with fairly concrete release dates for the fall.  So stop scaring yourself into a panick.  Most 3rd parties only jumped on the Wii at E3 last year and are still in development of their games.  We'll probably see a slew of games in July at E3.  Plus Nintendo always has games hidden up their sleeves.  Plus when we already know Super Mario Galaxy is coming, what other games are needed for the hardcore crowd?  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2007, 10:16:46 AM
I don't think price is too scary for Microsoft... MS is just $100 away from a magical $200 price for their core system if they want to start losing money again... And it's important to note that the X360 is selling as fast as the original XBox, but with an effective $400 pricetag. We're seeing some price flexibility in the market for dedicated gamers.

Sony, though, is really screwed. I can't see any way they can drop the $499 minimum barrier to entry obstacle to ANYTHING remotely mass market until 2009.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 31, 2007, 10:34:56 AM
The Wii's software lineup for fall 2007 will have either Smash Bros Brawl or Super Mario Galaxy in it.  Either of those two games can easily compete with anything on the Xbox 360 or PS3.  Then there's the fact that Nintendo owns the Japanese market, which will ensure a good amount of Japanese third party support.  Plus Nintendo is also doing very well in America and Europe and will probobly surpass the Xbox 360 in both places.

Third parties showed last gen that the system that sells the most gets all the support.  To them it's larger userbase, more sales.  Even if some of these's companies games sold the best on the Gamecube, they still dropped support to focus on the PS2 because it had the larger userbase.  And since the Wii is going to have the largest userbase by the end of the year, we'll be seeing a huge amount of software coming out by the end of the year.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2007, 05:17:37 PM
Sorry to interrupt the conversation, but...

Media Create Jan 22nd - 28th

Software:
01. PS2 (Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 227261 / 227261
02. DS (Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 103706 / 1026700
03. DS (Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS - 77229 / 77229
04. DS (Nintendo) Picross DS - 71794 / 71794
05. DS (Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 59379 / 59379
06. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Sports - 58886 / 910422
07. DS (Nintendo) Wario: The Seven - 47350 / 138599
08. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Play - 43612 / 808425
09. PS2 (Hackberry) Pachinko Winter Sonata - 41411 / 41411
10. DS (Nintendo) More Brain Age - 34028 / 3902307
~
11. DS (Nintendo) New Super Mario Brothers
12. DS (Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
13. DS (Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
14. PS2 (Konami) Prince of Tennis: Doki-Doki Survival
15. 360 (Bandai-Namco) The Idolm@ster
16. DS (Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
17. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond
18. DS (Nintendo) English Training
19. DS (Nintendo) Brain Training
20. PS2 (Sega) Shining Force EXA
21. DS (Spike) IQ Supply
22. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
23. DS (IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
24. PSP (Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
25. PS2 (Bandai-Namco) .hack//G.U. Vol. 3
26. DS (Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
27. Wii (Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
28. PSP (Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
29. PS3 (From Software) Enchanted Arms
30. PS2 (Flight-Plan) Dragon Shadow Spell

Hardware:
Tomorrow

NDS: 17
PS2: 6
Wii: 3
PSP: 2
360: 1
PS3: 1

PS3 made it back on the charts, barely.
And DQM:J has already passed the 1million mark,  but there is supposed to be no more copies for 2 weeks. Thats how you kill momentum...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2007, 06:01:29 PM
WHAT ARE PS3 and PSP doing on my NINTENDO CHARTS? ARGH!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Blue Plant on January 31, 2007, 06:05:08 PM
Not to mention PS2.  Grrrr...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on January 31, 2007, 06:27:35 PM
GTASA taking a top spot on the japanese charts?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 01, 2007, 12:17:19 AM
Quote

01. PS2 (Capcom?!?) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 227261 / 227261


WTF?!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 01, 2007, 12:59:20 AM
Capcom is the publisher for GTA in Japan.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on February 01, 2007, 01:30:16 AM
DS = Dominating System (or Sales, or Suckers, or (play)Station, or forever  )

Going back to game releases, Nintendo's success of creating Super High Quality 1st party games is something that tends to scare developers. Case in point how many 3D platformers do you think we're going to see on the Wii, besides Mario? Has there ever been a worthy Zelda clone? I know Zelda is considered an action-RPG but I've never played another game like it, this could be because of my lack of systems that I've owned, but the point remains.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing for Nintendo and us, but at the same time the question remains. Would we see more 3rd party games if they weren't scared of competing with Nintendo on their own console?

Maybe I'm wrong, but even Nintendo is scared of competing with themselves, which I believe is why they are spacing WarioWare and Mario Party. There are a lot of good(looking) 3rd party titles in the works, but none in any way resemble games that Nintendo dominates. It's actually kind of impressive, but at the same time it could hurt them.


One other thing is that you can't really count out PS3 just yet, and you REALLY can't count out X360. One thing that needs to be realized is that a lot of people still hate Nintendo, they are made at them for the systems that were N64 and GameCube. Their loyalties have shifted, and in the face of the Wii system's success all they can say is "graphics". Someone (Kairon? I'm too lazy to look) made note of the fact that there are a lot of system selling games coming out for the X360, and a few fore PS3. Once PS3 gets it foot in the door (it only has about 2 toes right now) devs are going to jump on the bandwagon fearing missing their chance. They'll still be supporting the Wii, but once Sony can say they've sold (really means shipped) 10 million consoles, expect to see more games.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: oohhboy on February 01, 2007, 02:13:01 AM
Going head to head with clone games against Nintendo is suicide. Actually, making clone games most of the time against any studio which leads a market is suicide unless you have something that is truly different.

Look at the GTA clones and wannabes out there. How many of them have died or langished in poor sales and obscurity. What about games that copy Madden. Oh wait they don't exist. "Realistic" racers besides GT on the PS2 that have even come close in sales? Nope.

The point is that Nintendo don't want people to make clones of thier games. Not really because it would compete with them, it is because they know what the outcome would be. The clone would die a quick and silent death at the hands of Nintendos own game. What Nintendo really wants is for other studios is fill in the holes in thier line ups. Make similiar yet different games. To grow the market. Bigger the market is, the stronger they can be.

If Nintendo really wanted to monoplize the console to itself, it would not make it aviable for others to develope for it. It would buy/hire people left and right to fill in the holes. But no matter how big Nintendo becomes, it will never be large enough to do that. Even if they could get that big, they would face disproporinate amount of risk as they would have to spend massive amount of effort to hold that monoploy against small, faster companies. Look at Microsoft. They spend most of thier time fighting a million bush fires instead working on it's own products. It has to effectively steal other peoples ideas to prop itself up.

As much as I want the PS3 and or 360 to die just to get rid of the fanboys, I know that it would cause more harm than good.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Caterkiller on February 01, 2007, 03:21:52 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: oohhboy

As much as I want the PS3 and or 360 to die just to get rid of the fanboys, I know that it would cause more harm than good.


Understanding that is very important to the video game industry. I like how the One Piece Manga/Anime is set up, most of the main characters rarely out right kill their opponents because death would be the easy way out. Instead they are usualy only defeated, being left to see their goals, ideals, and beliefs destroyed. Its a fate worse than death! I wan't both Microsoft and Sony to hang on just enough to see their beastly machines out gunned by an "inferior" console based purely on gameplay and fun.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on February 01, 2007, 04:50:41 AM
Crackdown for the X360 = GTA clone.

No but seriously before EA acquired the sole rights to make NFL games, there were 3 others out there. Activision's game, 2k sports, and ESPN all had football games. They spurred competition, and although none of them ever made it to the popularity or sales of Madden they at least tried.

My main point was that when people make games for a Nintendo console they often find themselves competing against an established Nintendo franchise, and those nerds out there that always buy Nintendo systems always buy Nintendo games, because they already know it's going to be good.

Opposite to that name two games from either Microsoft or Sony that they make in-house that always sells. Halo... Halo 2?

I'm sort of just playing devil's advocate because it's really more impressive than threatening (to me anyway) that Nintendo has such high regard among it's peers and gamers.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2007, 05:06:32 AM
I believe the 2k games and ESPN were one in the same.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on February 01, 2007, 05:33:46 AM
360 seems to have the most potential and the least all at the same time.

Most potential:
- year head-start = nearly 200 games, and around 9 million players
- has similar power to PS3 at about $200 less cost
- has price flexibility
- no game drought in the first half of 2007(? - I haven't actually been keeping tabs on this)

Least potential:
- it can't even buy a new demographic - Viva Pinata has its own TV show and received decent reviews, but first-week sales in N.A. were just 42,000 according to vgcharts.org.  For comparison, StarFox Adventures sold 188,000 in its first week
- Japan doesn't care: 360 is seeing a slight upward trend, which could be good news, but it's tracking behind the original Xbox so far, and it's so far behind GameCube it isn't funny
- In North America, 360's first year was only slightly better than Xbox's first year - maybe 20% more sales

I think Xbox 360 could take off this year if disenfranchised Sony and Nintendo fans start considering it as an alternative.   A price drop would help a lot, as will more ports of former PS3-exclusives.  All that said, its sales performance so far is ho-hum.


Edit: 2 games that MS/Sony make in-house that sell?  Good question!

Sony: God of War (remains to be seen if the series has legs) and Gran Turismo
MS: Halo, and, uh...Gears of War (again, don't know if the series has legs)

Sony seems to be good at pulling new hits out of thin air.  I thought losing Crash Bandicoot would be a big blow to PS2, but three new mascot platformers took his place.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on February 01, 2007, 07:56:09 AM
If the 360 can take down first place in the U.S I would count that a win for Microsoft, and they are threatening to do that. With American gamers general dislike of Nintendo, and Sony's many failures, it is possible, especially since PS3 games are being ported over the X360. If the "sytem sellers" get ported Sony is finished.

I didn't even realize God of War was internally made. I didn't like the game myself it was like 8 hours long, crap IMO.

Edit: I originally put Nintendo, although I guess the sentence would still be true.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 01, 2007, 08:16:43 AM
I need to play God of Wars. David Jaffe gets a lot of praise from certain corners and I'd like to someday know what it's for.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on February 01, 2007, 09:12:31 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: MaryJane
Crackdown for the X360 = GTA clone.

No but seriously before EA acquired the sole rights to make NFL games, there were 3 others out there. Activision's game, 2k sports, and ESPN all had football games. They spurred competition, and although none of them ever made it to the popularity or sales of Madden they at least tried.

My main point was that when people make games for a Nintendo console they often find themselves competing against an established Nintendo franchise, and those nerds out there that always buy Nintendo systems always buy Nintendo games, because they already know it's going to be good.

Opposite to that name two games from either Microsoft or Sony that they make in-house that always sells. Halo... Halo 2?

I'm sort of just playing devil's advocate because it's really more impressive than threatening (to me anyway) that Nintendo has such high regard among it's peers and gamers.


That is why people don't usually make games for systems with an established best genre game.  Whatever that Sam Fisher game was they put on the xbox because MGS would have crushed it before it landed.  The types of games Nintendo makes are often not even all that popular outside of Nintendo systems anyway.  Having the best games in a genre is hardly a problem, that problem is to get the other genres games.  Nintendo games beating games of the same genre was never the problem it was them overshadowing games of completely different genres.  Spacing games, a big userbase and Nintendo working with good 3rd parties to give them a space with no big N game is what is needed.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on February 01, 2007, 09:22:11 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: MaryJane
Crackdown for the X360 = GTA clone.

No but seriously before EA acquired the sole rights to make NFL games, there were 3 others out there. Activision's game, 2k sports, and ESPN all had football games. They spurred competition, and although none of them ever made it to the popularity or sales of Madden they at least tried.

My main point was that when people make games for a Nintendo console they often find themselves competing against an established Nintendo franchise, and those nerds out there that always buy Nintendo systems always buy Nintendo games, because they already know it's going to be good.

Opposite to that name two games from either Microsoft or Sony that they make in-house that always sells. Halo... Halo 2?

I'm sort of just playing devil's advocate because it's really more impressive than threatening (to me anyway) that Nintendo has such high regard among it's peers and gamers.


Age of Empires and Microsoft Flight Simulator.
Jak and Dexter, and Grand Tourismo.



For the Record:  God of War is good till you get near the end. (My disc must have a glitch because there is one place where you have to move a box and then jump to the cliff.  Yeah, Kratos won't do it on mine.)  Though overall thinking back I consider it slow.

There was something else I wanted to respond to.  Oh, yeah.  On GoldenPheonix's list I would add that the 360 Developments are suppose to be very very good.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 01, 2007, 09:31:08 AM
Jak and Daxter is Naughty Dog, and they technically aren't a second-party to Sony if I recall correctly.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 01, 2007, 11:10:38 AM
Couchmonkey's post about the 360's situation is dead on - it'll be interesting to see how the console develops over the next few years.

I think Gears of War was developed by Epic though (not in-house).
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 01, 2007, 11:22:41 AM
Although, to be fair, Excite Truck was done by Monster Games, not in-house to Nintendo as well. It's the publishing arrangements with the console manufacturers that tie these games, as well as Jak and Daxter, to their respective consoles.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on February 01, 2007, 04:11:02 PM
Naughty Dog is definitely a 2nd party to Sony.  Sony bought them after losing the Crash Bandicoot license (right after the PS2 released) to make sure they never lost their franchise mascots again.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: denjet78 on February 01, 2007, 04:29:04 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Louieturkey
Naughty Dog is definitely a 2nd party to Sony.  Sony bought them after losing the Crash Bandicoot license (right after the PS2 released) to make sure they never lost their franchise mascots again.


I don't think you could really consider Naughty Dog's character's mascots. Mario is a mascot. Link is a mascot. Samus is a mascot. Jax, not so much. They tried with Daxter but it just didn't catch on. Still, they did push that franchise hard last gen. Three platformers and a racing game. I'm surprised they didn't release a Jax Party.

And why in the world was Sony upset about loosing Crash? I still can't believe they actually picked him to be the "mascot" of the PSX. Talk about stupidity.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2007, 05:18:29 PM
Media Create Jan 22nd - 28th

Software:
01. PS2 (Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 227261 / 227261
02. DS (Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 103706 / 1026700
03. DS (Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS - 77229 / 77229
04. DS (Nintendo) Picross DS - 71794 / 71794
05. DS (Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 59379 / 59379
06. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Sports - 58886 / 910422
07. DS (Nintendo) Wario: The Seven - 47350 / 138599
08. Wii (Nintendo) Wii Play - 43612 / 808425
09. PS2 (Hackberry) Pachinko Winter Sonata - 41411 / 41411
10. DS (Nintendo) More Brain Age - 34028 / 3902307
~
11. DS (Nintendo) New Super Mario Brothers
12. DS (Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
13. DS (Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
14. PS2 (Konami) Prince of Tennis: Doki-Doki Survival
15. 360 (Bandai-Namco) The Idolm@ster
16. DS (Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
17. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond
18. DS (Nintendo) English Training
19. DS (Nintendo) Brain Training
20. PS2 (Sega) Shining Force EXA
21. DS (Spike) IQ Supply
22. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
23. DS (IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
24. PSP (Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
25. PS2 (Bandai-Namco) .hack//G.U. Vol. 3
26. DS (Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
27. Wii (Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
28. PSP (Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
29. PS3 (From Software) Enchanted Arms
30. PS2 (Flight-Plan) Dragon Shadow Spell
~
31. PS2 (Marvelous) Happiness! Deluxe (1st ed.)
32. DS (Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
33. DS (Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
34. Wii (Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
35. DS (Sega) Love & Berry
36. DS (Bandai-Namco) Heisei Kyouiku Inkai DS
37. DS (Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
38. PS2 (Sega) Yakuza
39. DS (MTO) Tea Dog's Room DS 2
40. Wii (Nintendo) Excite Truck
41. DS (Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars
42. PSP (Ertain) Lost Regnum
43. DS (Shougaku-kan) DS Yama Method Math Drills
44. DS (Atlus) Etrian Odyssey
45. DS (Capcom) Biohazard: Deadly Silence
46. DS (Nintendo) Tetris DS
47. DS (Nintendo) Cooking Navi
48. PS2 (Prototype) Tomoyo After: It's a Wonderful Life CS Ed.
49. PS2 (Aquaplus) Routes PE
50. PS2 (THQ) WWE 2007 SmackDown vs. Raw

TOP50
NDS:29
PS2:11
Wii:5
PSP:3
XBOX360:1
PS3:1

Hardware:
DSL 194,526
Wii 83,754
PSP 35,700
PS2 20,995
PS3 19,996
Xbox360 7,365
GBM 1,177
GBASP 1,023
GC 347
DS 82
GBA 34

Weekly Charts & Graphs

PS3 sales are still really really low, and if it keeps this up it will be selling less than the GC in the same time frame as of launch. Thats not a good thing. A price drop will have to come sooner than later or an actual "must-have" game has to be released now before the damage is too bad to be reversed. I'm sure once all the 3rd parties jump ship, X360 could become the HD system of choice as a second console to the Wii in Japan (I know, its very unlikely, but it could happen).  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Caterkiller on February 01, 2007, 05:39:25 PM
Does anyone know if in Japan the PS3's are sitting on shelves just like in the states, or are there still shortages?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2007, 05:44:56 PM
From what  hear, they have been sitting on shelves and are readily available in most shops in 20GB & 60GB versions.

edit:
and to steal a joke from elsewhere
the only shortages are of demand.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 01, 2007, 07:25:12 PM
The PS3 is selling so badly in Japan retailers are already dropping prices on them.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on February 02, 2007, 02:39:01 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
From what  hear, they have been sitting on shelves and are readily available in most shops in 20GB & 60GB versions.

edit:
and to steal a joke from elsewhere
the only shortages are of demand.


Now I'm going to have to steal that.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on February 02, 2007, 03:17:49 AM
On top of all that, Sony already gave Japan a price cut on the 20 GB model, did it not?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2007, 03:59:16 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: couchmonkey
On top of all that, Sony already gave Japan a price cut on the 20 GB model, did it not?
I think the other problem Sony is having is that it can't severly undercut all the other Bluray players on the market anymore than it already has. If I was to payaround $1000 for a standalone Bluray player it better come with a BRD burner and a spindle of blank disc. Otherwise shouldn't I just buy a much cheaper PS3? Wouldn't that kinda piss off Sony's other hardware partners if they couldn't sell their standalone systems because Sony was severely undercutting them on price and extra fuctionality?

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on February 02, 2007, 05:30:13 AM
In addition, are there not anti-competition laws that state that you can not just dump a product on the market? I thought it was illegal (in the USA, at least) to give *any* discount on the product. That is, if it cost $X to produce product Y then $X was the minimum that you could sell Y for. So I've always been mystified how Sony and MS are able to sell their systems in the US for $200 (or whatever) below production cost.

I'm guessing it's vast naïveté, on my part, or else there are just lots of details and exemptions for different situations about the rule I don't understand.

Either way though, as you point out, Sony is in quite predicament.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 02, 2007, 05:40:01 AM
I guess it's because noone has sued them for it. Technically it is a violation of antitrust laws.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2007, 05:42:07 AM
*the following information may be incorrect*
As far as "dumping" goes, I believe its an international law where you can't sell a product for $X amount in one territory and then almost give it away in another. As long as they are taking a similar loss in all the territories I think they will be fine, as far as "anti-dumping" laws go.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on February 02, 2007, 09:02:52 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
*the following information may be incorrect*
As far as "dumping" goes, I believe its an international law where you can't sell a product for $X amount in one territory and then almost give it away in another. As long as they are taking a similar loss in all the territories I think they will be fine, as far as "anti-dumping" laws go.


It may also have to do with undercutting the competition that has similar products.  If it costs $800 as reported for a PS3 and they try to sell it for lower than the Wii, I think that might be what the law is about.  Because the Wii costs less, they can sell it for much less than the PS3.  

Though that is probably not completely correct.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 02, 2007, 09:09:53 AM
The Wii seems to be holding at 80,000 a week in Japan, approximating to... say... 320,000 a month there. If we assume that the numbers are more or less equal worldwide, like the launch window totals were more or less equal, then Nintendo's already shipping around a million each month aren't they?

Noteworthy is the idea that 220,000 units sold in a month in USA is a respectable number done by the X360 in the summer months I believe.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on February 02, 2007, 09:12:05 AM
As a blue-ray player I think that since there is a product out their that does the same thing, play blu-ray, it is considered dumping.

On the game system side since there is technically no other player to compete with, Video Game consoles are not interoperable, then since there is technically no competition player wise if you want to give them away it's your business.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 02, 2007, 09:58:36 AM
anti-dumping laws don't generally apply to a tied-products business model.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 02, 2007, 06:44:37 PM
Yes but antitrust laws apply directly to tieing together products in different markets.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 03, 2007, 07:22:44 AM
That's a good point, but I think they'd have a hard time proving that antitrust laws apply in this situation since:

1. Sony sells stand-alone Blu-Ray players
and
2. The PS3 is not doing particularly well on the market and isn't in any sort of position of advantage.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2007, 07:57:57 AM
Can I get an "anti-trust law for dummies" description please?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 03, 2007, 08:47:12 AM
anti-trust laws are designed primarily to keep a market leader from abusing their position to either:

1. stifle competition
or
2. screw over customers.

The modern case for "tying" is Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer. The argument was made (and ultimately upheld by the court) that Microsoft was using their position as the vast market leader in operating systems to force users into "buying" a bundled web browser in an effort to improve the browser's position in the market.

If the PS3 was holding an NES or Atari 2600 type market share you could probably make an argument that they were doing the same thing with BluRay... trying to use their position as market leader in the game console market to give them a competitive advantage over HD-DVD.

Though this wasn't always the case, modern court interpretations insist this law only applies to companies with unusually strong market positions... that is why, for instance, Apple can bundle their Safari browser with OSX, or a linux distribution can bundle Konqueror or Firefox.

And that's where the case would probably fall apart against Sony. They're not only not some huge market leader, they're in dead last right now.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on February 03, 2007, 10:13:45 AM
You know by that description I'm sort of surprised no one tried that sort of lawsuit on DVD players and the PS2 since for a while there it had a fair dominance number wise.  But I guest it was never overwhelming and when players became cheap they totally got left behind.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2007, 10:20:01 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: jasonditz
And that's where the case would probably fall apart against Sony. They're not only not some huge market leader, they're in dead last right now.

I know its kinda ridiculous for me to say this, but it would almost seem like Sony is fcking up on purpose maybe to avoid these anti-trust issues from arising until it is too late. As stupid as it sounds, you have to admit that everytime Sony does something PS3 related lately, it's so bad or executed so poorly, that you could almost think of it as sabotage. I mean everytime they open their mouths, something retarded or very conflicting comes out, and they never seem to be helping their own case. There is soo much bad news about PS3 coupled Sony's inability to effectively market/advertise their own products lately, that it does seem kinda suspect.

I would almost guess that Sony lost a bet with Nintendo where Nintendo said, "We got everything we need to beet you this time, there is nothing you can do to stop us!" and Sony replied with "You couldn't beat us even if we did everything we could to lose." They shook hands, then at E3 06 Sony started the PS3 Anti-Hype campaign, and its been downhill ever since.

I'm not rooting for a Sony turn around or anything, I just find it wierd that they can't seem to get anything right all of a sudden. Even when Nintendo started their decline, they still got a lot of things right, but Sony can't even finish their own 1st party games. GTHD is now a downloadable, and I think Warhawk turned into a downloadable too, and both because of development cost being way too high. They couldn't release the system when they wanted, and when they did release it, they couldn't get enough parts to manufacture enough to fill demand. Now that demand has backed off, they can't sell the things cause they are priced too high w/o any games that are worthy of the entry price. Because its not selling, 3rd party developers are shifting their gaming focus elsewhere, making it so that the PS3 doesn't have a game worthy of entry till late '07/early '08. Sony just can't seem to catch a break.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 03, 2007, 12:02:06 PM
Can't argue, BNM.

Sony has been spiraling toward self destruction since the beginning of the PS3 debacle.

I hate to say it, but I DO want to see them pull out of the death spiral because I'd prefer Sony and MS continue to battle for the same marketshare while Nintendo just screams into a distant first, much like how Sony did last gen.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 03, 2007, 01:51:54 PM
Competition is a good thing for the end user.

At the same time, I'm not at all confident Sony could survive as a distant second or third. Their whole business model is centered around being a market leader, they've got no franchises to milk and are far too dependent on third parties for content.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 03, 2007, 02:51:13 PM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
At the same time, I'm not at all confident Sony could survive as a distant second or third. Their whole business model is centered around being a market leader, they've got no franchises to milk and are far too dependent on third parties for content.


That's my opinion on the subject as well. Nintendo had their own franchises as a fallback net: they can afford to finish 3rd. Sony cannot.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on February 03, 2007, 05:17:45 PM
Maybe it's time Sony get Crash on the horn?  :-P  Who even owns that nowadays?  Universal Game Studios or something like that?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 04, 2007, 03:41:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
At the same time, I'm not at all confident Sony could survive as a distant second or third. Their whole business model is centered around being a market leader, they've got no franchises to milk and are far too dependent on third parties for content.


That's my opinion on the subject as well. Nintendo had their own franchises as a fallback net: they can afford to finish 3rd. Sony cannot.


Microsoft could also survive in 3rd, because lets face it they aren't making money anyhow and it doesn't seem to phase them
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 05:45:22 AM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
Microsoft could also survive in 3rd, because lets face it they aren't making money anyhow and it doesn't seem to phase them


I think another 2nd place finish will make them think twice about the gaming market, especially if they can't seem to make a profit in two generations.

The Xbox line will only hemorrhage so much money before the MS higher-ups tell them to shut it down, though I doubt that will happen without some serious hopeless numbers for the 360 starting to show up.

I've said it before and I can't say it enough: MS gaining the top spot in the gaming industry will be the biggest disaster imaginable. I NEVER want to see it happen and I'm immensely glad that Nintendo is gaining on the top spot so rapidly for no other reason than the fact that it shuts MS out of it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 04, 2007, 06:28:23 AM
MS is planning to make a profit by the third generation. They've expected to lose money over the first two generations.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on February 04, 2007, 07:09:35 AM
What's so bad about MS being number one?  The 360 is an excellent piece of equipment with great software.  I'll always love Nintendo, but right now MS is offering me a great deal in the form of the 360.  Great games, a great console, and a great online network.  If they keep up the same level of quality next generation I'm all for them being number one.  Of course I'm all for Nintendo or Sony surpassing MS in quality/content next generation as well.  Whoever comes in first, I win.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 04, 2007, 07:37:37 AM
Microsoft is absolutely ruthless, you've seen how they act on the PC. MS in first place would be a bad thing for everyone, developers, publishers, gamers. If you think Nintendo's or Sony's behaviour at the top was bad you haven't seen Microsoft. They will do everything they can to tie people into their system and make it as hard as possible to get away from them again. Not only that, they know what they can do when they hold a monopoly and it will be the end of 5 year hardware cycles or cheap consoles. They'll tie other products into their console so your Xbox 3.0 will only really accept music downloads from a Microsoft approved music download service, videos in a Microsoft approved format, internet in a Microsoft approved way. Your XBox 3.0 will seamlessly integrate with your Windows PC provided you keep using the latest MS approved version. Two years later there will be the XBox 3.1 that will play all games for 3.0 but the new games won't run on the 3.0 and no more games can be published for the 3.0. The firmware will crash every thirty minutes and you have to download patches every week.

MS knows how to interlock monopolies to prevent losing them and they know how to exploit a monopoly to its fullest. I don't want MS to be in charge of the console market because it's very likely that it won't be possible to get them out of it again.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 07:55:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Maverick If they keep up the same level of quality next generation I'm all for them being number one.  Of course I'm all for Nintendo or Sony surpassing MS in quality/content next generation as well.  Whoever comes in first, I win.


Such is sadly not the case.

Microsoft will only attempt to meet the needs of its customers if its customers have another choice in the market. Let me use a colorful analogy which applies to this situation: if Microsoft were a woman, she'd be the best thing that ever happened to you so long as you never got married (aka. she knew you had no other choice aside from her). Once you tie the knot, it's already too late: she owns half of your crap now and she can leverage that against you instead of bothering to try to make you happy.

Such is the case with Microsoft's abysmal performance in the OS market.

There's a thread in the other systems board about how much of a total piece of sh*t Vista (the next iteration of windows) is and how MS is forcing people to use it by imposing it as the new standard, despite the fact that it makes it so you require an exceptionally powerful computer just to meet the BARE minimum Vista requirements. A friend of mine tried installing a developer version on his 3 GHz machine with 1.5 GB RAM and even IT was chugging along at a horrible speed.

The point is, since MS owns the OS market with an iron fist, they've been shipping buggy, resource-hogging, security hole-ridden software and made it blatantly clear that they just DON'T care because they know windows is the accepted industry standard. They KNOW they don't have to keep up appearances so they let their true nature show.

And just what is MS's true nature? Imagine being married to a 350 lbs woman who yells at you every time you try to do anything for yourself, never exercises, seldom bathes and sees it fit to spend YOUR money on things for herself because she knows you don't have a choice. Getting a divorce (aka. switching to a Mac) is so much more difficult that you'd rather not rock the boat and just decide to endure the suffering.

The Xbox 360 is Windows' twin sister, except that the Xbox understands that you still might prefer that sexy little Asian thing, Wii, so she'll have to do as much as she can to earn your attention away from Wii and hope Wii gives up and leaves, at which point the Xbox can let herself go just like her sister Windows did.

That, in a nutshell, is why Microsoft ruling the gaming industry would be a raging disaster for every gamer alive. She's all smiles, attention and sex when she knows you could still look elsewhere, but the minute she knows she owns you, she'll go head-first into the bon-bons and never look back.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on February 04, 2007, 08:05:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Maverick
What's so bad about MS being number one?  The 360 is an excellent piece of equipment.


I wouldn't call anything with the absolute POS quality control of the Xbox 360 a great piece of equipment. The first xbx was bad, but this thing takes defects to several different levels.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 08:26:05 AM
I should also add that what MS is doing right now is known as the "Wal-Mart Strategy".

You see, Wal-Mart typically uses a specific pricing strategy when one first starts up in a new area: the Wal-Mart will undercut the prices of all of the local retailers and businesses, ensuring that Wal-Mart is the best deal for everything. After all of the local businesses cannot compete and die, Wal-Mart will raise their prices back up again, at which point it will be too late because they're the only retailer left in town which sells these items.

Ask yourself this: you KNOW MS plans to make money off of the gaming industry at some point, so what exactly will be the difference between how they're conducting themselves now and how they'll act one they've reached a point where they can be "profitable"?

They're not losing all of this money without the belief that they'll be able to make it back at some point, and I can only imagine that they envision themselves as the leader of the gaming industry in three generations, at which point they probably intend to charge $100 per game because they've bought up all of the 3rd party devs, charge $30 a month for XBL and only allow Nintendo to barely stay alive so Nintendo will come up with innovations that MS can rip off.

This is what MS has done with Apple for close to 20 years now: rather than think up innovations themselves, it's far easier to let another company do it and simply rip their ideas off, much like Sony did with Nintendo.

If it wasn't for the typical Japanese business ethic of "Never sell", I'm quite certain MS would have bought up more than half of all the major 3rd party Japanese devs by now because it would be the easiest way to crack into the Japanese market. As it stands, Nintendo owns 60% of the Japanese next-gen console market right now and I only expect that number to increase with time.

Like KDR said, MS has a terrible tendency of taking over a market and driving it to the lowest common denominator, ensuring that little happens in the way of innovation and that unhappy customers remain unhappy because it's easier to forcefully maintain a monopoly than it is to improve the quality of your products so that people will always buy them.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 04, 2007, 08:48:09 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Microsoft is absolutely ruthless, you've seen how they act on the PC. MS in first place would be a bad thing for everyone, developers, publishers, gamers. If you think Nintendo's or Sony's behaviour at the top was bad you haven't seen Microsoft. They will do everything they can to tie people into their system and make it as hard as possible to get away from them again. Not only that, they know what they can do when they hold a monopoly and it will be the end of 5 year hardware cycles or cheap consoles. They'll tie other products into their console so your Xbox 3.0 will only really accept music downloads from a Microsoft approved music download service, videos in a Microsoft approved format, internet in a Microsoft approved way. Your XBox 3.0 will seamlessly integrate with your Windows PC provided you keep using the latest MS approved version. Two years later there will be the XBox 3.1 that will play all games for 3.0 but the new games won't run on the 3.0 and no more games can be published for the 3.0. The firmware will crash every thirty minutes and you have to download patches every week.

MS knows how to interlock monopolies to prevent losing them and they know how to exploit a monopoly to its fullest. I don't want MS to be in charge of the console market because it's very likely that it won't be possible to get them out of it again.



Better get those tin hats on, Microsoft is coming.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 04, 2007, 09:16:40 AM
The people working in Microsoft's games division are GOOD, HONEST people. But their puppetmasters, the MS overlords aren't. As soon as MS wins (which is an eventuality, they will win in about 20 or so years simply because they've got that much money), I expect their entire corporate culture about gaming to change almost overnight to something nowhere close to pretty.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on February 04, 2007, 09:25:14 AM
I think there's a little too much MS paranoia going on.  I understand some of the points you're getting at but I honestly don't think as soon as MS gains the #1 spot they're gonna say "alright screw gamers" and do a complete 180 (like that pun?) and deliver crappy products.  They're gaining ground because they have awesome software, hardware, and online, I don't think they'll throw all that away if they get to #1 and expect us to stick with them.

Oh and what I meant by great hardware wasn't that the systems aren't faulty at times (obviously a  lot of people have had to send their 360s back, even though I seem to have been blessed with a still functional first day model), but that the capabilities of the hardware are spectacular.


Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Blue Plant on February 04, 2007, 09:36:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I expect their entire corporate culture about gaming to change almost overnight to something nowhere close to pretty.


Then what do you think you should not be buying?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 04, 2007, 10:07:22 AM
Vista!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 10:10:27 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Better get those tin hats on, Microsoft is coming.


Tin hat comments are only warranted when the company in question hasn't already beast-raped the sh*t out of another industry, that being the OS market.

When left unchecked in the industry, MS considers it perfectly acceptable to ship products with over 15,000 known bugs (Win 95), leave gaping security holes open and not bother to fix them until they become a problem (XP) and force users to upgrade to later versions by forcefully ending compatibility with older versions of Windows.

Who in their right mind would want to see THAT management ethic at the head of the gaming industry?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 04, 2007, 10:13:45 AM
At least when Nintendo was head honcho at screwing people over they made the some of the best games of that era.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 10:16:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
At least when Nintendo was head honcho at screwing people over they made the some of the best games of that era.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


Nintendo tended to screw 3rd parties, not their customers, and I think Nintendo has spent the last 15 years learning from that mistake.

MS primarily screwed their customers, but they'd also screw 3rd parties who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. If they took over the game market and the Xbox was the #1 console in the world, expect that EVERYONE would get screwed by them.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 04, 2007, 10:57:28 AM
It's nice to see others share my same view of Microsoft.  Ever since I first read Microsoft was going to enter the videogame industry, my heart dropped because I knew that was the worst thing that could happen.

Microsoft is ONLY in the videogame market because they intent to create the same type of monopoly that they have in the PC market.  If people think that paying $600 dollars for the PS3 is expensive, you haven't seen anything yet.  If Microsoft was the leader then we'd be looking at paying $1200 for their system and that will be the cheapest crappiest model.  If you want the best version that has everything the system is supposed to have then your looking at over $2000.

Plus third party companies wouldn't be allowed to make anything creative.  All smaller companies would die out and only the big companies like EA would be left.  The only games we'd be seeing on the market place are the usual realistic FPS, racing and sports games that dominate the Xbox right now.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 11:18:09 AM
The OS market is run in such a way that MS has control over everything. They want their .NET account to be necessary to access any important website. MS has even taken to trying to put websites into such a format that other browsers won't work with those pages (again, .NET). They've let known security holes remain in their OS until a virus came along to exploit them. Now, they're forcing their customers to upgrade to Vista which will more than likely require a powerful computer upgrade in order to do so (like I said, it chugged on a 3 GHz machine).

Long story short, I don't hate people for buying and enjoying xboxes. That'd just be petty, but know that MS embodies everything wrong with the way businesses are run today. Luckily, you'd need to buy close to 30 games for MS to break even on the sale of the console anyway.

Nintendo is currently winning, not because they forced 3rd parties to their system, nor because they paid them off, nor because they exploited legal systems to stifle competition. They're winning because they make the best sh*t in the world and everyone wants it as a result and I personally can't wait to see them back at the head of the gaming industry.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Chiller on February 04, 2007, 12:29:34 PM
Not that it will happen, but say Vista sales were very, very low: how would that affect MS as far as their next generation of consoles go, and their "gaming devision," in general.  Would they then be less inclined to work at a loss so that they might one day usurp the competition, and finally break a profit?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MarioAllStar on February 04, 2007, 12:47:43 PM
Don't many games require DirectX 10 and, therefore, Windows Vista to run? If a lot of gamers do not upgrade, then that could harm sales on Vista-only games. Less Vista users means less potential buyers means less sales.

Unless new games are both XP and Vista compatible (are some developers doing this?), or everyone upgrades to Vista, won't game sales suffer a bit? It must be nice for MS to have a virtual monopoly in the OS market.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 12:56:33 PM
That's the problem. Halo 2 will require DX10 to run and therefore Vista, meaning that MS is trying to force people into upgrading if they want to play games.

It'll be interesting to see how long updates to World of Warcraft will hold out from moving to DX10. WoW is the primary cog in the PC gaming machine right now and Blizzard moving to DX10 would force many millions to move to Vista.

But I think it's also a delicate situation. Due to Vista's immensely high requirements, I'm sure many people are going to just not update until forced to do so. I think MS understands this, hence why they're laying as many traps as possible to ensure that people are forced to upgrade. Don't be surprised if the new version of Office somehow requires Vista.

It's a filthy, rotten thing to do to your customers. Even with being the market standard, I don't understand why so many people would put up with crap like this.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 04, 2007, 12:58:30 PM
Well, the MMORPG Age of Conan is a showpiece of DirectX 10 and will also be released on the X360, but it also has a DirectX9 version. I think almost all developers will continue to support DX9.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 01:01:30 PM
I do too, especially Blizzard, but I can see MS doing everything in its power to edge them toward DX10 and thus Vista because that's primarily where MS makes its money.

Windows and Office are its only two profitable products. Kinda funny when you realize that Office is basically the Madden of the business world...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 04, 2007, 01:03:01 PM
Vista shouldn't chug on a 3Ghz machine. 1ghz is the minimum speed, IIRC, and I haven't seen a new PC or laptop with anything less than 1Ghz for several years. I don't have it (yet), so I can't vouch for the quality. Also, keep in mind that until pretty recently, ATI and nVidia didn't have official Vista drivers, especially for the x64 version.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2007, 01:17:08 PM
I'm honestly not sure, since it was hearsay.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on February 04, 2007, 01:17:37 PM
I'm running 2Ghz processor with 1gig of ram and a 128 video card and running Vista RC1.  Is that ridiculous?  I'm not being sarcastic I just don't know what the average computer is nowadays.  I know I'm nowhere near the top but I don't know how close to the bottom I am.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlkPaladin on February 04, 2007, 01:21:30 PM
Depends on what type of 3.0Ghz system it is. Now the clock speed doesn't mean much.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: zakkiel on February 04, 2007, 02:45:10 PM
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It'll be interesting to see how long updates to World of Warcraft will hold out from moving to DX10.
Indefinitely. Blizzard is notorious for being graphically conservative. It's not exactly pushing the graphical limits with WoW in DX 9.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 04, 2007, 02:54:26 PM
Guess what? I actually like Windows and MS's other software applications. Yes they may be buggy at first but they are also highly complex products which are tough to get everything ironed out until the consumer gets it in their hands. Though I have been pleased by MS's response to getting patches out when problems have been discovered. I know the popular thing is to hate companies like MS or Walmart, but personally I've have mostly good experiences with MS and their products. With that said, I'm anxiously awaiting the day I get Vista as well, I've been pleased with most of MSs operating systems.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on February 04, 2007, 04:05:57 PM
So far all I've noticed from Vista is that it's much prettier than XP and only runs half the games.  Of course I don't have the final build so hopefully they've ironed the game thing out by now.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 04, 2007, 05:55:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Maverick
So far all I've noticed from Vista is that it's much prettier than XP and only runs half the games.  Of course I don't have the final build so hopefully they've ironed the game thing out by now.


Well hopefully by the time I get ahold of it, most of the bugs will be ironed out since my school will not be getting it until may (for 10$ too!). The main complaint I've heard is that there are quite a few programs and drivers that don't work with it because of the 64 bit architecture, but I blame that more on the individual developers than MS, they should have gotten things ready in time for Vista's launch.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 04, 2007, 05:59:09 PM
Phoenix: Yes but look at e.g. Internet Explorer, that thing didn't get any significant improvements between the death of Netscape and the rise of Firefox to a position where it could damage the MS hegemony. One problem with MS is that they don't properly design their products to make a failure affect as little as possible, they interlock their programs so they can claim in court that IE is a necessary part of the OS. They haven't allowed running as LPU without issues until Vista FFS! Unix had that in place for decades. They haven't even tried adding security shutters into the system, instead making it so vulnerable that once you're inside the system you got it as a whole.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 04, 2007, 07:46:55 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Phoenix: Yes but look at e.g. Internet Explorer, that thing didn't get any significant improvements between the death of Netscape and the rise of Firefox to a position where it could damage the MS hegemony. One problem with MS is that they don't properly design their products to make a failure affect as little as possible, they interlock their programs so they can claim in court that IE is a necessary part of the OS. They haven't allowed running as LPU without issues until Vista FFS! Unix had that in place for decades. They haven't even tried adding security shutters into the system, instead making it so vulnerable that once you're inside the system you got it as a whole.


Well I do agree, I don't care much for IE, that is the one product I've never been too happy with (I use firefox 90% of the time). Maybe another reason why I don't have problems that were mentioned is that I do not use Windows or other programs for highly complex tasks, but more for basic, home use (Well maybe more than basic, but I don't program or anything). As it stands now I have had no security problems. So I guess I'm looking at things from a basic consumer's perspective and I've been pleased with most of MS's applications and Operating Systems.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on February 04, 2007, 08:45:42 PM
We really should give up this line of Microsoft bashing.  No one can remain dominant in the gaming industry forever if they make poor business decisions.  Just ask Nintendo and Sony.

If in fifteen years Microsoft is king and they start screwing us, someone will step up and steal their crown.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 04, 2007, 10:23:50 PM
If in fifteen years Microsoft is king and they start screwing us, someone will step up and steal their crown.

Not with Microsoft, they know how to make sure their customers and developers have no choice but to stay with them.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on February 04, 2007, 10:46:40 PM
How?  This isn't lime the computer market where Windows basically made computers mainstream and set Microsoft as the default industry standard for decades.

Game consoles are a different breed.  Each one is radically different and each generation results in a restructuring of marketshare.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: oohhboy on February 05, 2007, 12:06:02 AM
You forget the cost of entry into a market. Sure every 5 years or so there is an opening where new players can get into the market, but it requires massive amount of capital and investor patience. Mircosoft has only managed to sustain it's losses due to the fact it hold a massive monoploy else where to feed money into it.

If Mircosoft was allowed to monoploize the gaming market they would quickly lock it down. They would start locking technology left and right. Buyout potential competitors. Sue other companies out of existance, stave others. Start jacking up the prices for everybody, you, me, devs. Start making thing imcompatable with older version just so you be forced to buy the new version just because they want you to, not because it is needed. Example DX10.

We might not like it, but by that time we will have no choice. It would be too late. I don't want to be in a future where all resturants are Tarco Bells.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 05, 2007, 12:20:27 AM
How? This isn't lime the computer market where Windows basically made computers mainstream and set Microsoft as the default industry standard for decades.

Consoles aren't that much different from PCs. MS will make it so you'd have to rebuy loads of stuff to go elsewhere but only buy a small upgrade to stay with MS.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on February 05, 2007, 01:56:52 AM
Consoles are different from operating systems (PC competition is very diversified and competitive).

What evidence exists that console domination can exist permanently?  Nintendo tried and lost marketshare for 3 consecutive generations.  With Microsoft's inability to control Japan and Nintendo's continued dominance in handheld market it's doubtful they'll ever approach the market dominance Nintendo had in the late 80s.

This fear of Microsoft destroying the gaming industry by adopting tactics from their OS branch is little more than paranoia.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Spikage on February 05, 2007, 02:13:26 AM
i have looked, and looked, and looked, and looked, and looked, and looked, and looked, and looked, and looked, and looked, and looked, but i can't find a wii. help!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: oohhboy on February 05, 2007, 03:13:56 AM
The funny thing is that it has only being as of late that a perpetual monoploy maybe achivable. Why? Grapahics and processing power. They are both reaching towards a point that may only be 1 to 2 generations time where advances in these areas will become meaningless to the human eye and ability of the programmer to use that extra CPU power to do something meaningful other than to add more charaters on screen.

At that point what would be the point to releasing a new console? most people won't/can't tell the difference if something was 10 times more powerful than before. What advantage then could a new competitor use with it's product to differenate itself and break into the market? Who would come up with the capital needed to overcome a monoploy?

Personally, what I really look forward to are advances in A.I. That is somthing requires true creativity. A.Is today are still dumb as bricks and like the sun rising everyday, predictable. Unfortunatly, right now most devs are using online as thier A.I.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: zakkiel on February 05, 2007, 03:53:14 AM
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The funny thing is that it has only being as of late that a perpetual monoploy maybe achivable. Why? Grapahics and processing power. They are both reaching towards a point that may only be 1 to 2 generations time where advances in these areas will become meaningless to the human eye and ability of the programmer to use that extra CPU power to do something meaningful other than to add more charaters on screen.
I'm looking out my window right now. There are some trees out there. They're the usual trees - brown, branches ending in twigs, pretty bushy. No leaves of course, because it's winter. And I'm thinking how hopelessly beyond the best of present graphics technology rendering this scene would be, without worrying about soft shadows or making the trees sway realistically in the breeze or any of the other scene elements.

People who think we're closing in on photorealism really should spend more time looking at the real world. Games now are visually impressive compared to other games; hold them up against the world and they don't look so good.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on February 05, 2007, 03:56:44 AM
Please.  Graphics have a long way to go before new technology becomes meaningless.  The length between generations might widen a few years, but photorealism with unlimited FX are a long time off.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 05, 2007, 04:54:21 AM
Photorealism is one thing, discernable differences between two tech iterations is another.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: zakkiel on February 05, 2007, 12:30:03 PM
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Photorealism is one thing, discernable differences between two tech iterations is another.
Presumably, iterations would be spaced for differences to be noticeable.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 05, 2007, 07:26:46 PM
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Originally posted by: oohhboy
I don't want to be in a future where all resturants are Tarco Bells.


Neither does John Spartan.

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Originally posted by: oohhboy
Personally, what I really look forward to are advances in A.I. That is somthing requires true creativity. A.Is today are still dumb as bricks and like the sun rising everyday, predictable. Unfortunatly, right now most devs are using online as thier A.I.


Blame John O' Connor.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 06, 2007, 03:40:02 AM
Wikipedia lists five notable John O'Connors.  Only one of them was alive recently enough to have had an effect on modern computing, and he was a cardinal, so that's unlikely.  Of course, it's possible that I know exactly what you're referencing, but can't let the error pass without a little heckling.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on February 06, 2007, 05:54:18 AM
I stopped on the top of page 28.

I will say this.  Smash every time you say something about Microsoft the more and more I'm convinced that you are a bigot in regards to that topic.
Also everything you mentioned that Microsoft does Apple did and is doing.  The difference is they have a core Zealot following.  Also on that topic why can't I get OSX for PC?  It's now for the most part the same platform.

I was wondering why I just read the DS sales thread.

Another note:  Even Microsoft is releasing most of its games where they will run on DirectX9 but will look much better with 10.

From actual experience Vista runs just as well as XP on a below spec, everything but harddrive space, 6 year old machine.  Another article that Pro linked says that it runs better on an iMac then OSX and it was a pretty Apple bias site.  Weird...  Where is 10.5 anyways?

So I actually finished it.

As a developer and an Administrator I can't wait for Vista to be the MS OS of choice.  It makes my life a little more manageable.  Same goes for OS X 10.5, I'll be happy when it is released because I have some support issues it will resolve and I hear there are some new things programming wise but, I'm not a big OS X developer anymore at all.  Linux, well I'm sort of out of the loop there right now but I like to get back in eventually. (I have to get the money for a new machine first unfortunately.)

Back on topic is there still shortages everywhere I haven't heard otherwise yet.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on February 06, 2007, 06:32:50 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: PartyBear
Wikipedia lists five notable John O'Connors.  Only one of them was alive recently enough to have had an effect on modern computing, and he was a cardinal, so that's unlikely.  Of course, it's possible that I know exactly what you're referencing, but can't let the error pass without a little heckling.
I think he was referring to John Connor from the Terminator series.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on February 06, 2007, 07:10:27 AM
Microsoft can never truly dominate the console market like they do with PCs because of a couple key points.

1. Consoles are proprietary so there is no real roadblock from someone else releasing a console.  Even if MS had the only console around they won't have a real standard as long as they demand licencing fees.  To be a true standard companies other than MS would be able to make Xboxes and like PCs (or the Atari 2600) anyone could make a game for it.

2. Gaming is purely entertainment and you can't have a true monopoly in anything that is non-essential.  PC's are essential.  I need one for my job.  I needed one for my schooling.  I use my home computer for all sorts of practical purposes and not having it would make my life a sh!tload harder.  It's a tool.  A game console is just for fun.  I don't NEED a game console.  If MS had the only game console around and I didn't like games for it I wouldn't own it and it wouldn't be a problem for me not to own it because it wouldn't entertain me anyway.  Now it would suck if no good games were being made but there would be no reason that someone couldn't start making good games and if MS sucked too much no one would buy their console because they don't have to.

The only problem is if MS dominates and you don't like what they're offering but everyone else does.  Then you're kind of f*cked because few besides you dislike what is being offered.  That is very unfortunate but at least MS making gaming suck for everyone and screwing over everyone can't happen.

Sony seemed to have everything under their thumb and then they priced the PS3 at $600 and overnight they've become a joke.  You can only get away with so much in the entertainment industry.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 06, 2007, 07:21:54 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: vudu
Quote

Originally posted by: PartyBear
Wikipedia lists five notable John O'Connors.  Only one of them was alive recently enough to have had an effect on modern computing, and he was a cardinal, so that's unlikely.  Of course, it's possible that I know exactly what you're referencing, but can't let the error pass without a little heckling.
I think he was referring to John Connor from the Terminator series.


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Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2007, 07:39:44 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Microsoft can never truly dominate the console market like they do with PCs because of a couple key points.

1. Consoles are proprietary so there is no real roadblock from someone else releasing a console.  Even if MS had the only console around they won't have a real standard as long as they demand licencing fees.  To be a true standard companies other than MS would be able to make Xboxes and like PCs (or the Atari 2600) anyone could make a game for it.

2. Gaming is purely entertainment and you can't have a true monopoly in anything that is non-essential.  PC's are essential.  I need one for my job.  I needed one for my schooling.  I use my home computer for all sorts of practical purposes and not having it would make my life a sh!tload harder.  It's a tool.  A game console is just for fun.  I don't NEED a game console.  If MS had the only game console around and I didn't like games for it I wouldn't own it and it wouldn't be a problem for me not to own it because it wouldn't entertain me anyway.  Now it would suck if no good games were being made but there would be no reason that someone couldn't start making good games and if MS sucked too much no one would buy their console because they don't have to.

The only problem is if MS dominates and you don't like what they're offering but everyone else does.  Then you're kind of f*cked because few besides you dislike what is being offered.  That is very unfortunate but at least MS making gaming suck for everyone and screwing over everyone can't happen.

Sony seemed to have everything under their thumb and then they priced the PS3 at $600 and overnight they've become a joke.  You can only get away with so much in the entertainment industry.
I don't think you've noticed the direction that MS is taking consoles (Sony too), they are essentially trying to make proprietary PC that connect to the TV so that you can have one in the livingroom, bedroom and anywhere else you have a TV. Eventually they will make these consoles so non-gaming funtional that all you have to do is upgrade your universal box every couple of years to keep up with the newest software. If they can successfully replace your standard PC with an Xbox1080 and get you to have one hooked to your family TV then MS could establish some sort of Monopoly on the market.
Once they get Office1080, DVR software, On Demand Downlading(music, movies & games) along with conventional gaming(online & offline) all on the same box all at an affordable $400/500 then I can see a one console future. Or atleast a universal standard being made by many different companies. I don't really wish to see anything like this yet, especially not from the likes of MS (or Sony to a lesser extent), but it is definately a very plausible thing to happen in the not so distant future.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 06, 2007, 07:42:51 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: vudu
Quote

Originally posted by: PartyBear
Wikipedia lists five notable John O'Connors.  Only one of them was alive recently enough to have had an effect on modern computing, and he was a cardinal, so that's unlikely.  Of course, it's possible that I know exactly what you're referencing, but can't let the error pass without a little heckling.
I think he was referring to John Connor from the Terminator series.

I think I was making fun of him.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 06, 2007, 08:15:45 AM
Graphics haven't yet reached their peak yet...because we can't create games with the animation qualities of Pixar movies cheaply and easily.

Yet please lets stop this nonsense of photorealism being the goal.  Photorealism is impossible to achieve, because when you attempt to create something too realistic your brain will see the flaws and reject it.

Instead it is more important to focus on creating a style and emotional connection to the worlds and characters within your games and movies.  That doesn't take photorealism, but good art direction and story telling.

I am perfectly happy with the graphical power of the Wii as it allows developers the power neccessary to create their worlds, yet doesn't cost a fortune for the consumer and for the developer.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on February 06, 2007, 08:46:04 AM
The whole Microsoft and Sony trying to rule your home thing is interesting.  The problem for that type of future is do consumers actually want it?  I think a lot of people see convergence as the logical outcome of having lots of different technologies, yet why didn't our TVs and stereos and VCRs converge 20 years ago?  Sometimes the obvious route of convergence misses out on consumer desire.  Sony put all these neat functions in the PSP, and Nokia combined a game system and a cell phone.  Why is DS, a totally dedicated game system, beating those two?

Because it offers great gaming experiences geared towards the right audiences.  Sony and Nokia put plenty of effort into creating neat hardware, but forgot to ask if consumers were willing to pay extra for the extra features, and generally failed to create excitement about their games.

PS2 would be the counter-point since DVD was a big draw for the console, but, by the time GameCube and Xbox finally came out, it was also far and away the best competitor in terms of gaming, not to mention DVD playback was around peak demand.  PS2 was in the right place at the right time: if Nintendo never adds DVD playback to Wii, it won't really matter, because DVD players are cheap now, and practically everyone has one anyway.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 06, 2007, 08:57:54 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Graphics haven't yet reached their peak yet...because we can't create games with the animation qualities of Pixar movies cheaply and easily.

Yet please lets stop this nonsense of photorealism being the goal.  Photorealism is impossible to achieve, because when you attempt to create something too realistic your brain will see the flaws and reject it.

Instead it is more important to focus on creating a style and emotional connection to the worlds and characters within your games and movies.  That doesn't take photorealism, but good art direction and story telling.

I am perfectly happy with the graphical power of the Wii as it allows developers the power neccessary to create their worlds, yet doesn't cost a fortune for the consumer and for the developer.


Someone hasn't seen the Holodeck in Star Trek, that is proof enough for me that photorealism is possible.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on February 06, 2007, 12:54:14 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Quote

Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Graphics haven't yet reached their peak yet...because we can't create games with the animation qualities of Pixar movies cheaply and easily.

Yet please lets stop this nonsense of photorealism being the goal.  Photorealism is impossible to achieve, because when you attempt to create something too realistic your brain will see the flaws and reject it.

Instead it is more important to focus on creating a style and emotional connection to the worlds and characters within your games and movies.  That doesn't take photorealism, but good art direction and story telling.

I am perfectly happy with the graphical power of the Wii as it allows developers the power neccessary to create their worlds, yet doesn't cost a fortune for the consumer and for the developer.


Someone hasn't seen the Holodeck in Star Trek, that is proof enough for me that photorealism is possible.


Which series? I found the Holodeck in TNG a little pixelated.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on February 06, 2007, 05:29:48 PM
More to the point, ILM and the other special FX companies are already pretty close to photorealism.  The last big hurdle is perfecting the animation (cel animation had the luxury to stylize and exaggerate).  Especially for humans.

Fantasy characters and inanimate objects are pretty much already there.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 06, 2007, 05:31:08 PM
Son of Lucas eh?

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Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on February 06, 2007, 05:39:05 PM
Have we met?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 06, 2007, 05:40:55 PM
No, it's just funny how you're talking with authority on ILM and FX houses, and have the name Lucas... as in George Lucas.

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Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on February 06, 2007, 05:51:18 PM
Oh, yeah.  Well, you're not totally off, I created the handle for a Star Wars boards about 10 years ago.

I was speaking more as a follower of animation though.  I don't know much more about effects than what my eyes tell me.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2007, 05:29:04 AM
Famitsu TOP 5 of Wii & PS3 Games (Till Jan 28)

Wii:
1.Wii Sports - 908,457 (over 1million as of last week)
2.Wii Play - 786,943 (over 800k as of last week)
3.The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 381,968 (over 400k as of last week)
4.WarioWare Smooth Moves - 307,146
5.Pokemon Battle Revolution - 193,270

PS3
1.Ridge Racer 7 - 124,463
2.Gundam: Target in Sight - 121,733
3.Resistance: Fall of Man - 101,667
4.Armored Core 4 - 72,595
5.Genji: Days of the Blade - 48,869

And Wii is outselling PS3 4:1  according to a recent report by enterbrain (writers of famitsu) <as if we didn't already know this though>
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 07, 2007, 05:59:55 AM
Good to see Zelda still selling.. it'll reach 500K soon.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on February 07, 2007, 03:38:04 PM
Japanese software sales for January 29 - February 4:

#. Platform - Title - Publisher - This week's sales (Total sales) - Weeks on sale

01. PS2 - J-League Pro Soccer 5 - Sega - 107,073 - NEW
02. NDS - Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On - 79,408 - NEW
03. NDS - Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker - Square Enix - 57,132 (1,083,832) - 6th week
04. PS2 - Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - Capcom - 49,333 (276,594) - 2nd week
05. Wii - Wii Sports - Nintendo - 48,236 (958,658) - 10th week
06. Wii - Wii Play - Nintendo - 34,918 (843,343) - 10th week
07. NDS - Brain Training 2 - Nintendo - 28,605 (3,930,911) - 59th week
08. NDS - New Super Mario Bros. - Nintendo - 27,327 (4,089,052) - 37th week
09. NDS - Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - Nintendo - 25,830 (85,208) - 2nd week
10. NDS - General Knowledge Training - 24,819 (1,185,307) - 15th week
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on February 07, 2007, 04:36:09 PM
Awesome, well, I don't think Nintendo will have any reservations about creating additional "Wii ... " games for Wii. I was half expecting Wii Sports/Wii Play to be largely disregarded. I think its awesome that each are now very nearly individual million sellers on a stand alone not bundled basis.

I mean, i'm totally looking forward to "traditional" games like Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, etc... But I certainly want additional "Wii (whatever)" games.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 07, 2007, 05:21:52 PM
I wonder how well Wario sold inh the States... That's the closest thing Stateside we have at retail to Wii Sports.

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Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2007, 05:23:12 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Hocotate
Japanese software sales for January 29 - February 4:

#. Platform - Title - Publisher - This week's sales (Total sales) - Weeks on sale

01. PS2 - J-League Pro Soccer 5 - Sega - 107,073 - NEW
02. NDS - Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On - 79,408 - NEW
03. NDS - Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker - Square Enix - 57,132 (1,083,832) - 6th week
04. PS2 - Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - Capcom - 49,333 (276,594) - 2nd week
05. Wii - Wii Sports - Nintendo - 48,236 (958,658) - 10th week
06. Wii - Wii Play - Nintendo - 34,918 (843,343) - 10th week
07. NDS - Brain Training 2 - Nintendo - 28,605 (3,930,911) - 59th week
08. NDS - New Super Mario Bros. - Nintendo - 27,327 (4,089,052) - 37th week
09. NDS - Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - Nintendo - 25,830 (85,208) - 2nd week
10. NDS - General Knowledge Training - 24,819 (1,185,307) - 15th week

11. DS (Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
12. PS2 (Bandai-Namco) Saint Seiya: The Hades
13. DS (Nintendo) Picross DS
14. DS (Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
15. DS (Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
16. DS (Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS
17. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond
18. DS (Nintendo) Brain Age
19. DS (Nintendo) English Training
20. DS (IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
21. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
22. PS2 (Hackberry) Pachinko Winter Sonata
23. DS (Spike) IQ Supply
24. PSP (Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
25. DS (Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
26. DS (Bandai-Namco) Heisei Kyouiku Inkai DS
27. DS (Sega) Love+Berry
28. Wii (Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
29. DS (Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
30. DS (Nintendo) 1000 Recipes


PS2 - 4
NDS - 22
PSP - 1
Wii - 3


Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 07, 2007, 07:48:51 PM
According to this NeoGAF post and its two linked Japanese PDF reports...

Quote

U.S. Shipments through January
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (350,000)

Trauma Center: Second Opinion (200,000)


Let's hope those are actually sold through though... elsewhere on that thread someone claims that it is known that sellthrough for the games are...

Quote

We do know that Trauma Center is over 125,000 and Super Monkey Ball is well over 200,000, though.


but I'm too lazy to substantiate that and look for original sources.

If these shipments match sales more or less, than good healthy numbers, especially for Atlus!

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Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 08, 2007, 06:36:29 AM
Stolen from THIS NeoGAF post...

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Jarrod
New gen lists through March...

Xbox 360
02.08.07 Diario: Reverse Moon Legend (Idea Factory)
02.22.07 Riot Act (MGS/Real Time Worlds)
02.22.07 Splinter Cell: Nijuu Spy (Ubisoft)
03.08.07 Fusion Frenzy 2 (MGS/Hudson)
03.22.07 Armored Core 4 (From Software)
03.29.07 Absolute: Blazing Infinity (Idea Factory)
03.29.07 Call of Duty 3 (Spike/Activision/Treyarch)

PlayStation 3
02.08.07 Virtua Fighter 5 (SEGA)
02.22.07 Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom (Spike/SOE)
03.01.07 Gundam Musou (Bandai Namco/Omega Force)
03.08.07 Power Smash 3: SEGA Professional Tennis (SEGA)
03.15.07 Fight Night Round 3 (Electronic Arts)
03.15.07 Madden NFL 07 (Electronic Arts)
03.27.07 Mist of Chaos (Idea Factory)
03.27.07 Winning Post 7 Maximum 2007 (KOEI)

Wii
02.08.07 Cooking Mama: Minna to Issho ni Oryouri Taikai! (Taito/Office Create)
02.22.07 Fire Emblem: Akatsuki no Megami (Nintendo/Intelligent Systems)
02.22.07 Naruto Shippuuden: Gekitou Ninja Taisen EX (Tomy Takara/Dream Factory)
03.01.07 Densha de Go! Shinkansen EX: Sanyou Shinkansen Hen (Taito)
03.08.07 Bomberman Land Wii (Hudson)
03.08.07 Eyeshield 21: Field no Saikyou Senshi Tachi (Nintendo)
03.15.07 G1 Jockey Wii (KOEI)
03.15.07 Sonic to Himitsu no Ring (SEGA/Sonic Team)
03.15.07 SpongeBob Squarepants (working title) (SEGA/THQ/Blitz Games)
03.21.07 San Goku Shi XI with Power-Up Kit (KOEI)
03.22.07 Cars (SEGA/THQ/Rainbow Studios)
03.22.07 Puzzle Series Vol. 1: Sudoku (Hudson)
03.27.07 Mezase!! Tsuri Master (Hudson)


The Wii has the biggest lineup between now and fiscal year! Oh, and though it doesn't get Virtua Fighter 5, it's counterprogramming that day with Cooking Mama! MUAHAHAHAHA! Oh, and aside from Nintendo published titles, I hope that Bomberman and that horse racing game do well too.

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Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 08, 2007, 12:34:57 PM
Latest sales numbers from MC = wow.

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Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 08, 2007, 12:38:18 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon

PlayStation 3
02.08.07 Virtua Fighter 5 (SEGA)
02.22.07 Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom (Spike/SOE)
03.01.07 Gundam Musou (Bandai Namco/Omega Force)
03.08.07 Power Smash 3: SEGA Professional Tennis (SEGA)
03.15.07 Fight Night Round 3 (Electronic Arts)
03.15.07 Madden NFL 07 (Electronic Arts)
03.27.07 Mist of Chaos (Idea Factory)
03.27.07 Winning Post 7 Maximum 2007 (KOEI)
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com



That is one of the most pathetic lineup of games I've seen in quite awhile!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 08, 2007, 12:42:13 PM
Like many of us have been saying before the Wii was even released in Japan, Nintendo OWNS Japan.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Edfishy on February 08, 2007, 01:11:29 PM
I wish Fight Night would make it to the Wii...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: darknight06 on February 08, 2007, 01:34:07 PM
Who says Fight Night won't make it?   With all the other announcements I've seen so far it would surprise me if it didn't.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 08, 2007, 01:34:30 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Edfishy
I wish Fight Night would make it to the Wii...


Considering how much EA loves Nintendo at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if they are working on one right now...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on February 08, 2007, 01:41:49 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they're having trouble with the controls. They have to be 100% precise for this kind of game. That is likely to be difficult while keeping up with the speed of the game, not to mention simple controls for blocking, moving, illegal moves, and special punches.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: The Omen on February 08, 2007, 01:43:46 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: pap64
Quote

Originally posted by: Edfishy
I wish Fight Night would make it to the Wii...


Considering how much EA loves Nintendo at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if they are working on one right now...


Been working on it since before the release of the Wii.  I remember seeing a demo of Tiger Woods and Fight Night back in September.  In fact, one of my old posts I said which games were in development.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on February 08, 2007, 01:45:39 PM
Off the topic of Fight Night, has there been any news on when I should be calling all the stores in my area to see if they have a Wii?

I wish I could pre-order but I guess that would take out the whole pre part of things...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on February 08, 2007, 01:50:22 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: MaryJane
Off the topic of Fight Night, has there been any news on when I should be calling all the stores in my area to see if they have a Wii?

I wish I could pre-order but I guess that would take out the whole pre part of things...


Trying to get ahold of the console essentially IS Fight Night for the Wii.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Edfishy on February 08, 2007, 02:06:42 PM
Quote

Trying to get ahold of the console essentially IS Fight Night for the Wii.


Hahahah.

MaryJane, I'd suggest you check the news paper early Sunday morning to see if anybody's advertising the Wii and then just try to get to the store as early as you can before it opens, if you're lucky, you'll be the 39th or so in line.  I had absolutely no luck at all calling stores to check on shipments, but maybe demand has decreased since I was looking for the Wii.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 08, 2007, 02:09:20 PM
if you wait till the paper hits they may all be gone, use a website like CAG to check the ads the night before and make a game plan.

Toys R Us, if I'm not mistaken, is running the Wii this week.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2007, 06:30:09 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote

Originally posted by: Hocotate
Japanese software sales for January 29 - February 4:

#. Platform - Title - Publisher - This week's sales (Total sales) - Weeks on sale

01. PS2 - J-League Pro Soccer 5 - Sega - 107,073 - NEW
02. DS - Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On - 79,408 - NEW
03. DS - Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker - Square Enix - 57,132 (1,083,832) - 6th week
04. PS2 - Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - Capcom - 49,333 (276,594) - 2nd week
05. Wii - Wii Sports - Nintendo - 48,236 (958,658) - 10th week
06. Wii - Wii Play - Nintendo - 34,918 (843,343) - 10th week
07. DS - Brain Training 2 - Nintendo - 28,605 (3,930,911) - 59th week
08. DS - New Super Mario Bros. - Nintendo - 27,327 (4,089,052) - 37th week
09. DS - Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - Nintendo - 25,830 (85,208) - 2nd week
10. DS - General Knowledge Training - 24,819 (1,185,307) - 15th week

11. DS (Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
12. PS2 (Bandai-Namco) Saint Seiya: The Hades
13. DS (Nintendo) Picross DS
14. DS (Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
15. DS (Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
16. DS (Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS
17. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Diamond
18. DS (Nintendo) Brain Age
19. DS (Nintendo) English Training
20. DS (IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
21. DS (Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
22. PS2 (Hackberry) Pachinko Winter Sonata
23. DS (Spike) IQ Supply
24. PSP (Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
25. DS (Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
26. DS (Bandai-Namco) Heisei Kyouiku Inkai DS
27. DS (Sega) Love+Berry
28. Wii (Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
29. DS (Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
30. DS (Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
~
31. Wii (Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
32. PS2 (Sega) Shining Force EXA
33. PSP (Konami) Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops
34. DS (Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
35. DS (Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars
36. DS (MTO) Tea Dog's Room DS 2
37. DS (Shogakukan) DS Kageyama Method Electronic Math Drills
38. PS2 (Sega) Yakuza
39. DS (Nintendo) Tetris DS
40. Wii (Nintendo) Excite Truck
41. DS (Atlus) Etrian Odyssey
42. DS (Nintendo) Cooking Navi
43. Wii (Pokemon) Pokémon Battle Revolution
44. PS2 (Flight-Plan) Dragon Shadow Spell
45. DS (Capcom) Biohazard: Deadly Silence
46. DS (Square-Enix) Final Fantasy III
47. PS3 (From Software) Enchanted Arms
48. PS2 (Bandai-Namco) .hack//G.U. Vol. 3
49. DS (Plato) Play and Sing DS Guitar "M-06"
50. PS2 (Sega) Yakuza 2

PS2 - 9
DS - 32
PSP - 2
PS3 - 1
Wii - 6

Hardware numbers:
DSL - 146,073
Wii - 65,740
PSP - 31,216
PS3 - 18,727
PS2 - 17,540
Xbox360 - 6,130
GBM - 1,050
GBASP - 724
GC - 306
DS - 119
GBA - 28

Ouch @ those PS3 sales, I think thats atleast 3 weeks in a row of declining sales. That can't be good. VF5 did come out today though so maybe we will see some first day sales #'s tomorrow.

PSP+PS3+PS2 = 67,483 vs 65,740 = Wii
Wii almost had Sony beat.

DSL = 146,073 vs 141,461 = Everything else including DS Phat
Nothing surprising to see here though, I think DS has outsold everything combined very many times for quite a long time.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ages on February 08, 2007, 07:44:51 PM
Wow...so in Sony's infinite wisdom, they manage to release a console that's too expensive to begin with and has no good games out for it.  By proxy, they kill off the PS2, the only system they make that generates any money, not to mention the greatest thing to hit Japan since sliced bread (until the DS came along that is). Speaking of the the DS, it's dominance leaves absolutely no marketshare for the PSP.  In a matter of months, Sony has gone from being an unstoppable force to a company that's falling behind fast.  Not good for a corporation where it's gaming division is the only profitable sector.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on February 08, 2007, 07:50:09 PM
If VF doesn't have a huge impact (which it won't) then Sony is pretty much screwed for the rest of the year. No more big name titles till probably fall 07, just think of the lead Wii will have by then... especially if the PS3 numbers continue to drop at this steady pace.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 08, 2007, 07:55:58 PM
By proxy, they kill off the PS2

Um, how so? Developers don't seem to stop making games for it.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2007, 08:22:33 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: KDR_11k
By proxy, they kill off the PS2

Um, how so? Developers don't seem to stop making games for it.
Well it seems that the generational transistion isn't from PS2 to PS3 as would have been thought, but is now from PS2 to Wii, so once Wii becomes more available there will be no more need to make the games(targeted) for the PS2.

Since they have hyped everyone up for something new and then dissapoint with lack of games and high price, they have started the beginning of the end for the PS2 and still-borned the PS3 at the same time.

If the Wii continues to get all those games that were going to be on the PS2 only now with new(improved?) control, new concepts and better graphics(or just no slowdown) then yes, the PS3 accidentally killed(or crippled) the PS2, and the Wii stepped up in its place.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 08, 2007, 08:25:52 PM
Sonic will run trails of wild sales on Wii.

EAT THAT, SONIC ASSVENTURE 2
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 08, 2007, 09:19:32 PM
Pro, you're not supposed to buy Sonic furry porn games.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on February 09, 2007, 02:01:54 AM
Wii seems to ve fading too.  It lost about 25% this week.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 09, 2007, 02:04:08 AM
Well that being said about no good games for the PS3 until fall.

Nintendo is in a situation where they better start getting AAA titles out quickly.  Because as of now, the Wii doesn't look like it has that many great titles either.

We all know they are coming, I mean just look at how many exclusive Nintendo projects are in the works and supposedly going to be available this year.  It is mind blowing.  However, they aren't out yet.

Nintendo also needs to get production more stable because once the games start flowing Nintendo is going to need to get their system into peoples hands.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on February 09, 2007, 03:53:18 AM
Just to keep the record straight.  Sony has actually seen some profitiblilty from its other divisions this year with some of the restructing they are doing.  Which is sort of ironic.  As there most profitable division falters other ones are on the rise.  Though not enough to compensate.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2007, 05:54:49 AM
1st Day Japanese sales

PS3 | Virtua Fighter 5 32000 37%
DS | Luminous Arc 19000 49%
DS | Jet Impulse 2400 12%
PS2 | OutRun2 SP 2900 32%
PSP | Medal Of Honor Heroes 3500 26%

will it even hit 100k within the week? If not I don't expect to see it in the Top 30 in the the week after the next charts. Then the only game to boost PS3 sales from then on till Q4 2007 is Gundam which doesn't come out till March.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ages on February 09, 2007, 08:47:41 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: KDR_11k
By proxy, they kill off the PS2

Um, how so? Developers don't seem to stop making games for it.


Well, either everyone in Japan finally got a PS2, or the PS3 has managed to off the PS2.  From what I've seen, the Japanese are very trendy, and typically don't purchase outdated hardware.  The PS3 was released, causing it to be the new hip thing until everyone realized it didnt have any games worth owning.  The PS2 is now old news, and therefore the hardware won't sell anymore.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 09, 2007, 08:50:25 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ages
Well, either everyone in Japan finally got a PS2, or the PS3 has managed to off the PS2.  From what I've seen, the Japanese are very trendy, and typically don't purchase outdated hardware.  The PS3 was released, causing it to be the new hip thing until everyone realized it didnt have any games worth owning.  The PS2 is now old news, and therefore the hardware won't sell anymore.


The sales figures confirm this.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on February 09, 2007, 09:31:02 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Well that being said about no good games for the PS3 until fall.

Nintendo is in a situation where they better start getting AAA titles out quickly.  Because as of now, the Wii doesn't look like it has that many great titles either.
?? Define how much is many...

Week over week, Wii Sports and Wii Play are in the top 10, both are nearly individual million unit sellers and both have a 70%+ attach rate without force bundling. Followed by Wario Ware, Zelda, and Pokemon. That's 3 or 4 more then the PS3 has...

Additional Wii titled games for Wii, like Wii Music, are undoubtedly already underway, in addition to the already known AAA titles of SMG, MP3, SSBB, FF:CB, Super Paper Mario, Fire Emblem, Sonic, etc...

Quote

We all know they are coming, I mean just look at how many exclusive Nintendo projects are in the works and supposedly going to be available this year.  It is mind blowing.  However, they aren't out yet.
But, neither are PS3's..... So what's going to ramp up the PS3 sales until then? Nintendo will have more titles, VC titles, and maybe an independant new WiiWare/VC title or two.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 09, 2007, 10:28:03 AM
Don't discount the value of games like Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, and Dragonball Z: BT2.

Sure, those games are multiplatform, and maybe they're not the sort of "all time great" games that Zelda is or SMG likely will be. But you know what, those games are very solid, very unique in their control schemes, and they're attached to strong licenses.

If you're even remotely a fan of DBZ, the Wii version of BT2 is a must own. If you're a Marvel fan, you will not be disappointed by UA.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on February 09, 2007, 12:19:23 PM
I second the Marvel Sentiment but I don't know about DBZ.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 09, 2007, 02:05:22 PM
TP and DBZ are actually a nice comparison for me because both have virtually identical versions available on other consoles I already owned.

I think I'd have been fine with the Cube version of TP... the motion controls are neat, but by no means essential.

DBZ, on the other hand... I wouldn't have even considered buying this game for the PS2. Not that it's not a fine game there too (I'm sure), but that honestly I've played DBZ games with a dualshock to death. Yet there's something so much more appealing about the Wii controls, something so unique about playing it that way, there's really no comparison.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on February 09, 2007, 02:36:07 PM
GDC is going to be big for Nintendo. Not because they are going to announce killer apps, but because they'll have a chance to give developers something else to get excited about.

As reported on the NWR (I almost put PGC lol) homepage the online dev kits have been in the hands of developers for awhile, if they're smart they'll urge devs to release online games soon (and very soon) after the release of Pokemon Battle Revolution which better hit before July.

Nintendo also needs to give the developers some new incentives and "party" hats. IGN interviewed the Factor 5 dude, and he said he would love to create something for the Wii. The problem is that he isn't doing it now, he offered a lot of critiques for the companies who are making software, but isn't making his own. Why? Well he says because Sony is pretty much doing whatever he asks so they have a good relationship, this is what Nintendo needs (blind loyalty) to develop with (no pun intended) developers.

The original Wii Ware content also has a chance to be big, but again Nintendo needs to prove that there is good reason for developers to make such content. They have a habit of doing that by coming out with their software first, and saying follow suit, maybe a little more hands-on help would be better.

Developers are video game fans like us, except they actually have the power and resources to make games. However, as I mentioned they need something to get excited about. There are a lot of possibilities with the Wii, but everyone is afraid of taking risks for a couple of reasons.

1. Nintendo fans buy Nintendo software over anything else. I mentioned before (somewhere, maybe this thread?) about how there are no clones of the popular Nintendo franchises on Nintendo consoles. I would like to see a fresh 3D platformer, I mean Hell Yes I'm excited about Super Mario Galaxy's but I'd like to see something else done well by someone else. I would also enjoy a Capcom, SEGA, or even EA version of SSB.

2. Kidie image, and Non-gamers. Manhunt 2 is going to scream in the ears of industry. Can a "mature" (or Adults Only in this case) game sell well on a Nintendo console? If Manhunt 2 fails for any reason other than it sucking (which I doubt) every other developer is going to take their violent games and go elsewhere. The Kidie image may be shedding slightly, but Nintendo itself is pushing the non-gamer aspects of the Wii, and while not a bad thing for them, it could potential be for us, and developers of non-non-games.

I'm speaking tongue-in-cheek, playing devil's advocate or however you want to call it, but these are serious issues for developers regardless of that.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on February 09, 2007, 03:40:26 PM
Yeah, Fire Emblem, Sonic, and Naruto EX all come out this month so that's a good number of titles for the always slow month of Feb.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 09, 2007, 04:12:40 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: jasonditz
Don't discount the value of games like Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, and Dragonball Z: BT2.

Sure, those games are multiplatform, and maybe they're not the sort of "all time great" games that Zelda is or SMG likely will be. But you know what, those games are very solid, very unique in their control schemes, and they're attached to strong licenses.

If you're even remotely a fan of DBZ, the Wii version of BT2 is a must own. If you're a Marvel fan, you will not be disappointed by UA.
I've played both and I completely agree with you. These two plus Madden are the best "multiplatform" games on the system.. We rented Ultimate Alliance because we enjoy games like X-Men Legends, and it was great fun. Many worried about how 3D fighters would translate onto the Wii, but DBZ pulled it off pretty well. It's a launch game too; I'm sure later games in this genre will improve on it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 09, 2007, 04:27:15 PM
Weird, last I heard Ultimate alliance was a so and so game and that the controls were pretty bad...

Then again, I heard this from SB and friends, so simply they didn't have the time, patience and maybe skills to sit down and truly master the game.

So maybe to THAT group of friends the game wasn't worth it, but to another group its rock solid.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 09, 2007, 05:50:05 PM
 Well I bought Marvel as on the games at launch and its a solid fun title. I don't care if this lacks online (if I cared I would of gotten it for my 360 instead. My only problem with the game is that sometimes the game doesn't register your motion correctly and you end up doing a different move. And like everyone people will bitch at the idiot player slowing them down due to the center single camera also another thing that isn't fun is when people fight over control of the camera by tilting the nunchuk.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 09, 2007, 06:22:02 PM
I played DBZ with the classic controller and the Wii controls.  What I found actually surprised me...except for some of the more advanced techniques (teleporting to hit somebody already flying, and teleporting to block and strike) I was able to do most moves with the Wii controls more intuitively and more enjoyable than the classic controller.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 09, 2007, 06:50:17 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Hocotate
Yeah, Fire Emblem, Sonic, and Naruto EX all come out this month so that's a good number of titles for the always slow month of Feb.


February isn't a slow month. Have you seen all those games coming out this month?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Hocotate on February 09, 2007, 08:32:22 PM
yeah that's what I'm saying. I remember ppl complaining about no games being released for Jan-Mar or whatever and we're seeing a good number of titles.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: King of Twitch on February 09, 2007, 10:27:38 PM
IGN says TP has passed the one million mark in NA alone! Not bad. Nice irrelevant dig on WW too:

"The edgier Twilight Princess is easily on track to blow the rooftop off sales of the stylistic Wind Waker, which was oftentimes called overly cartoony by critics and fans."

I'm surprised it wasn't phrased "...despite the 'lack' of voice acting or Hi Def"

Looking back through the thread I was also surprised to see the Famitsu sales figures at 381,968 (over 400k as of last week) posted on February 07, 2007. So does that place Zelda at 1 mill in NA and almost half a mill in Japan?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 10, 2007, 04:41:05 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: pap64 Then again, I heard this from SB and friends, so simply they didn't have the time, patience and maybe skills to sit down and truly master the game.

So maybe to THAT group of friends the game wasn't worth it, but to another group its rock solid.


It was the tilting the Wiimote to orbit the camera which irked us.

Also, it was just another multiplayer dungeon crawler, really. I've done dungeon crawlers to DEATH. In order for me to be impressed by a dungeon crawler, it will need to be something truly, TRULY amazing.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 10, 2007, 05:56:02 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote

Originally posted by: pap64 Then again, I heard this from SB and friends, so simply they didn't have the time, patience and maybe skills to sit down and truly master the game.

So maybe to THAT group of friends the game wasn't worth it, but to another group its rock solid.


It was the tilting the Wiimote to orbit the camera which irked us.

Also, it was just another multiplayer dungeon crawler, really. I've done dungeon crawlers to DEATH. In order for me to be impressed by a dungeon crawler, it will need to be something truly, TRULY amazing.


I can understand the dungeon crawler part. They do tend to get boring and repetitive quite fast.

But what surprises me is that no one has mentioned that issue about camera control.

You would think an irksome feature like that would get noticed a lot more in people's reviews and impressions.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 10, 2007, 05:58:58 AM
We rented the game and  thus had no idea how we were accidentally controlling the camera mid-game, hence why it was such an issue for us. We didn't have a manual to reference.

Other than that, though, the game still wasn't that good. Was pretty standard if not sub-par dungeon crawler fare.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Edfishy on February 11, 2007, 03:06:17 PM
Regarding Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, my siblings and I have had no problem whatsoever with the camera, and actually are quite satisfied with its functionality.  Despite the game's simplistic nature and standard dungeon crawling elements, the "Use any Spell at Any Point" through Wiimote gestures that keeps me interested in the game.  Quite simply, I wouldn't want to play the game with a gamepad and I find it hard to get into other dungeon crawlers without the abillity.  It really adds some depth.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 12, 2007, 06:51:11 PM
My non-gamer cousin keeps wanting to play the game again when I go home. We got a mad laugh when we realized that dum-dum was his actual real name.

...

that said...

Does anyone here think that Nintendo is shipping Wii's disproportionately?They're going to come to a little over 300,000 wiis sold in Japan in January, so this probably isn't the case. North America and Europe must be getting roughly equal shipments, with America slightly the higher of the two probably.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2007, 08:29:56 PM
My guess is that since Japan is all but in the bag(for now), Nintendo is trying to allocate as many systems as possible to the Euro & N.A. markets, w/o ignoring the home turf. They really need to establish themselves as the market leader in Europe before PS3 is launched, and they really need to attempt to feed the demand(which is still insane) in the U.S. where people are still lining up on Sundays to pick up Wiis.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 13, 2007, 10:25:21 AM
Demand is still insane, but it's either starting to be sated or people are losing interest.

I've talked to retailers who say the Wiis are staying on their shelf for a little longer each shipment, whatever that means.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 13, 2007, 04:32:54 PM
It means people that have been getting to stores early for the past 3 months to no avail have given up, and just go look during random times. Since it's not the Christmas season (yes, I said Christmas) anymore, the kids aren't begging any longer.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on February 13, 2007, 10:17:14 PM
Brandogg has an excellent point.  I've been denied a Wii for so long that I've become almost apathetic about it.  I haven't been checking Wal-Mart for two weeks now, and I don't plan to this week.  

When I know I can just walk into a store and buy one, that's when I'll pick up a Wii.   I'm tired of haranguing customer service reps.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on February 14, 2007, 02:23:48 AM
It's true, consumer apathy will start to set in, but on the other hand, nobody is saying they're not going to buy one.  You're just saying you'll wait until it's easy to find...which is fine by Nintendo, as long as you haven't completely changed your mind and decided that Wii sucks.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on February 14, 2007, 02:34:16 AM
I think Nintendo focusing on Europe for a bit before the PS3 gets out would be a good business decision.  Though the fan in me wants the Wii to be more available so I can play with people but, personally since I spent a whole day waiting at Walmart at launch to get a launch unit I don't really care as much.  I just hope people don't get turned off on the system.  It truly is a lot of bang for you buck especially if you go by the amount of time it can.  The News Channel alone can eat a good part of my day just reading the headline news.  Now voting...also you get Wii Sports.  By the time you get tired of those you've recouped the cost of the Wii and your Wireless solution.

On that note the News Channel needs a way to cycle through the news and then download and go back to cycling through.  It be nice for waiting rooms in its own way.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on February 14, 2007, 02:45:19 AM
I've just seen a bunch of Wiis on a shelf. I don't think there's much "raging demand" anymore.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on February 14, 2007, 02:49:28 AM
Where they real?  I always see what I think are Wiis on shelf but when I get to them there is a note stating that they don't have any so don't ask.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on February 14, 2007, 02:55:04 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I've just seen a bunch of Wiis on a shelf. I don't think there's much "raging demand" anymore.


You've been saying that forever, though.  That's fine for Germany, but here in Winterland, they're still selling out the day they're released.  If anything, this just means everyone saying Europe needs more should think twice.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 14, 2007, 03:29:59 AM
Famitsu top 10 (2/5 -2/11)

1 (PS3) Virtua Fighter 5
2 (Wii) Wii Sports
3 (NDS) Pokemom Diamond&Pearl
4 (Wii) Wi Play
5 (PS2) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
6 (NDS) More Brain Age
7 (NDS) New Super Mario Bros.
8 (NDS) Luminous Arc
9 (NDS) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
10 (PS2) J-League Pro Soccer 5


but hold on....
http://ameblo.jp/sinobi/entry-10025727404.html

VF5 ~50k
says VF5 didn't help PS3 sales much


DS Luminous Arc ~30k
DS ~170k
PSP ~30k

so the #1 spot is around 50k!!? and the #8 spot is around 30k?
Something seems a little off here. It must be a really really slow week in Japan for such low #'s.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on February 14, 2007, 03:34:38 AM
I agree it must be slow.  Though this is Valentine week we are talking about.  A holiday not known for saling games in whatever version you celebrate.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 14, 2007, 03:50:05 AM
no theses sales are for last week, not this week. I expect next weeks #'s to possibly be slow, but not last weeks #'s too.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 14, 2007, 05:57:33 AM
You know if Nintendo wanted to get their system in the hands of the people who have almost given up trying, then they should sell them on nintendo.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on February 14, 2007, 09:59:07 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

so the #1 spot is around 50k!!? and the #8 spot is around 30k?
Something seems a little off here. It must be a really really slow week in Japan for such low #'s.
Nah, it's rather normal. On a non-holiday time schedule, Japanese sales charts tracked the same. #10 is typically around 20-25K. #1 varies depending on the top games. But if they aren't being ravaged by NSM, Pokemon, or a brand new PS2 game, #1 is anywhere from 50-80k.

During xmas though the minimum for #10 was 135k.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 14, 2007, 04:30:26 PM
According to IGN and NPD, software sales have been very strong in North America, especially third party ones.

Quote

Madden NFL 07 was PS3's number-one third party effort with approximately 185,000 in sales. Incidentally, despite having a larger installed base, Madden sold slightly less on Wii with about 180,000 units. The numbers aren't incredibly different, especially since Nintendo fans have not traditionally flocked to the Madden franchise. PS3's second biggest third party seller, Call of Duty 3, amassed 110,000 purchases. The Wii version of the game, however, sold through 155,000 copies.
(...)
ven so, third parties have definitely already found in Wii a console that they can turn a profit. Wii had nine games - six of them from third parties - that sold at least 100,000 copies through December. That is, again, compared to two for PS3. Ubisoft in particular was a big winner. Its Red Steel and Rayman Raving Rabbids Wii titles sold approximately 220,000 and 185,000 respectively - nothing to scoff at for a brand new franchise and another that has slumbered for years. Sega's Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz managed 175,000 in sales. And Atlus had a sleeper on its hands with Trauma Center: Second Opinion, which sold through 115,000 copies.
So Red Steak sold 220,000, eh? I'm curious to know how much it sold in Europe, so we know the total to date. Strong numbers across the board, though. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance sold 150,000 also.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 14, 2007, 05:00:55 PM
It's strange to see how IGN is defending Nintendo recently, with reference to the "kiddy" stigma and with reference to third party sales. I've come to expect criticism from them, not support!

Oh, and that said, IGN was looking at the NPD numbers for JUST DECEMBER. This means that any sales in the first 10 or so days after and including launch aren't included, nor are any sales in 2007. 220,000 units for RS is a good launch point that, combined with front-loaded launch sales and residual 2007 sales, suggests that UbiSoft did achieve a measure of success with the title.

Hopefully, for the sequel they can keep costs down, not rush so much, increase quality and increase profits.

Oh, and its nice to see that several multiplatform games sold better on the Wii than the PS3. Not Madden though.. darn! It would've been a cleansweep!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 14, 2007, 05:09:01 PM
I'm honestly surprised Madden sold so much for the Wii.. I wonder if the motion controls helped.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 14, 2007, 05:25:15 PM
The fact that Madden sold that well on the Wii and the Wii's ever expanding userbase is why EA is so strongly shifting development resources to the Wii instead of the PS3.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 14, 2007, 05:58:50 PM
GO HOT NURSE
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on February 14, 2007, 07:46:59 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
Oh, and its nice to see that several multiplatform games sold better on the Wii than the PS3. Not Madden though.. darn! It would've been a cleansweep!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


Well, like you said, it was only the numbers for December only. Who knows, maybe Nintendo did outsell Sony.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 14, 2007, 08:14:41 PM
Since no one has posted it yet...

Media Create Feb 5th - 11th

01. (PS3, Sega) Virtua Fighter 5 - 48,346 / NEW
02. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 45,897 / 1,004,555
03. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 36,090 / 879,432
04. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 32,800 / 3,963,712
05. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 29,026 / 4,118,078
06. (PS2, Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 27,519 / 304,113
07. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise - 26,815 / 185,695
08. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On - 26,804 / 106,212
09. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Luminous Arc - 25,676 / NEW
10. (PS2, Sega) J-League Pro Soccer 5 - 24,468 / 131,541
~
11. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
12. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS
13. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
14. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
15. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
16. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
17. (DS, Nintendo) English Training
18. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
19. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
20. (DS, Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS
21. (DS, Sega) Love+Berry
22. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
23. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker
24. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
25. (DS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
26. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
27. (Wii, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
28. (DS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
29. (DS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
30. (DS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo!

NDS - 23
Wii - 3
PS2 - 2
PSP - 1
PS3 - 1  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 14, 2007, 08:18:35 PM
VF5 outsold Wii sports by 3 thousand and was number 1? It is obvious this is signaling the end of Nintendo's dominance in Japan!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on February 15, 2007, 02:47:42 AM
Do we get NPD numbers today?  I'm really curious to see if Wii outsold PS3 in January, or if the shortages are holding Nintendo back.

The story in Japan is the same old.  It's really impressive to see Wii Sports and Wii Play still up there after all this time, it's clear that Nintendo owns the non gamers.  Otherwise, DS took 23/30?  Wow!  I guess I should mention VF5 as well, but seriously, any major new release could take 1st place in Japan right now: the sales are pretty low.

I'd argue that Madden and other third party titles doing well are due to new consumers jumping on board.  Not just non-gamers either: my dad has a hardcore Xbox/360 gamer in his office who won't shut up about Wii.  The guy had his mom lining up at Future Shop to get him a Wii and, later, WiiPlay.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on February 15, 2007, 03:23:17 AM
Madden Wii would have even sold a lot more than that if EA WOULD HAVE ADVERTISED THE DAMN GAME. I still can't believe how they didnt do that. For you guys outside of the US, you have no idea the kind of popularity a football game with much greater immersion can have.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Darc Requiem on February 15, 2007, 02:00:35 PM
Well no has posted the hardware sales for Japan this week, so I thought I'd do the honors.

Media Create Feb 5th - 11th

1. DSL - 201,177 (+54,085) - 1,104,028 - 8,553,912
2. Wii - 78,550 (+12,810) - 603,478 - 1,523,121
3. PSP - 32,175 (+959) - 303,113 - 4,835,242
4. PS3 - 23,431 (+4,704) - 178,734 - 636,292
5. PS2 - 16,033 (-1,507) - 149,437 - 20,304,296
6. 360 - 4,811 (-1,319) - 52,617 - 317,319
7. GBASP - 980 (+256) - 8,136 - 5,927,087
8. GBM - 884 (-166) - 10,245 - 570,175
9. NGC - 383 (+77) - 3,459 - 4,172,927
10. NDS - 121 (+2) - 581 - 6,582,838
11. GBA - 36 (+8) - 308 - 8,823,514
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on February 15, 2007, 02:16:35 PM
Is that over 15 million DSs sold? Why yes, it is.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Deguello on February 15, 2007, 03:27:18 PM
Kinda Strange isn't it?  The DS is only a little over two years old and it's within 5 million of the PS2.  And if it keeps selling at this pace, it will surpass the PS2 in less than 7 months.

Edit:  Oh yeah, just to stroke the fanboy inside me...  The PS3 is at the exact same total the Gamecube was at at this time in their lifespans.  However, next week, in order to keep pace with the GC, the PS3 has to sell 160,000 units  (The GC got a little boost at this point from SSBM.)  If it can't, the PS3 will be officially doing worse than the GC in Japan.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 15, 2007, 06:18:16 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Do we get NPD numbers today?  I'm really curious to see if Wii outsold PS3 in January, or if the shortages are holding Nintendo back.
Here you go.. (courtesy Brandogg)
Quote

Originally posted by: Brandogg
Sorry, here's the NPD numbers, should have included them in the original post.

Wii 431,550
Nintendo DS 389,901
PlayStation 3 288,636
PlayStation 2 253,456
Xbox 360 217,670
PSP 164,342
Game Boy Advance 146,667
GameCube 28,954
Xbox 1,099
Looks like Wii is set to reach the 6 million pre-2008 fiscal year goal.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 16, 2007, 02:50:42 AM
Are those numbers confirmed? I can't find them anywhere else and Gaf doesn't seem to have an NPD thread...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 16, 2007, 04:23:10 AM
I got them from a thread on gamefaqs...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on February 16, 2007, 05:20:44 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Brandogg
I got them from a thread on gamefaqs...


Uh oh...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 16, 2007, 07:34:58 AM
Virtua Fighter 5 didn't sell systems, even if it was # 1.  It sold mostly to people who already had a PS3 (more than twice as many copies were sold than PS3 systems were sold.)  This is just very laughable.  

This is like the Seinfeld episode were Elaine's and George's luck seemed to have switched between them.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 16, 2007, 09:13:04 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Virtua Fighter 5 didn't sell systems, even if it was # 1.  It sold mostly to people who already had a PS3 (more than twice as many copies were sold than PS3 systems were sold.)  This is just very laughable.  

This is like the Seinfeld episode were Elaine's and George's luck seemed to have switched between them.


What're you, sticking it to me?!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 16, 2007, 09:42:01 AM
STICKING IT!!!!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UncleBob on February 16, 2007, 02:45:04 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Brandogg
I got them from a thread on gamefaqs...


Damn, I was gone for what, two weeks?  and the entire internet has gone upside down... GameFAQ's boards are now a reliable source of infomation?  What's next, IGN developing into a worthy site?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 16, 2007, 08:22:39 PM
Tecmo seems to be pleasantly surprised that they shipped more than they expected concerning Super Swing Golf. 200,000 units shipped overall in the US and Japan, which apparently seems good numbers for the game's scope. And they seem to think that Europe numbers will be good too.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ReverendNoahWhateley on February 16, 2007, 08:43:35 PM
I noticed today that Wii prices on eBay are really starting to look more...sane.  Most of the prices as of right now are between 300 and 350 American rubles.  That's including hefty shipping fees, mind you.

At this rate, they'll be down to proposed retail value within the next two months!  I can't wait to get some use out of those copies of Twilight Princess and Rayman that have been sitting inert in my kitchen cabinet since November!

 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 20, 2007, 01:32:42 PM
Official NPD numbers from Bloomberg

Quote


Wii  436,000
X360 294,000
PS3  244,000



Possible complete numbers from a NEOGaf post

Quote

...
PlayStation 2 299,352
...
Nintendo DS 238,869
PlayStation Portable 210,719
Game Boy Advance 179,482
GameCube 33,806
Xbox 833


Looks good!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 20, 2007, 01:42:58 PM
Nearly half a mil in January, a typically slow time for gaming as well as still battling supply issues, is a pretty damn good sales figure.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 20, 2007, 02:05:29 PM
Xbox360 drops from 1.13 million in December to 294K in January, that is just ahahaha Microsoft is Doomed!!!!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NeoThunder on February 20, 2007, 03:01:21 PM
Question....Guy at Gamestop bet me $1,000 that PS3 would be on top in three years.  Now, I myself think this is a sure bet....I mean, for me it's not saying Wii has to come out on top (which I think it will), it just says PS3 can't come in 1st, and I win.

What do you guys think, Sure win?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 20, 2007, 04:17:04 PM
But.. the DS should be much more than that! It was sold out for the holiday season, and North America was finally catching on to the craze a year after the rest of the world did.

NeoThunder: If you win, the guy won't pay up.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BigJim on February 20, 2007, 05:33:15 PM
I don't mean to thread hijack, but why is the PSP still selling respectably in the States? I'm asking seriously. Are there actually good games coming out on a regular basis for it? I pay no attention to it, but the sales still surprise me.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 20, 2007, 05:42:28 PM
They're AMAZING emulators. AMAZING. My dormmates have like, Monkey Island running on theirs, SNES libnrarires, PSOne games... and all without paying Sony a dime.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 20, 2007, 05:54:13 PM
Cuz psp does a better job of being a PC than a game platform than the Ps3 does.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: son of lucas on February 20, 2007, 06:33:56 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: NeoThunder
Question....Guy at Gamestop bet me $1,000 that PS3 would be on top in three years.  Now, I myself think this is a sure bet....I mean, for me it's not saying Wii has to come out on top (which I think it will), it just says PS3 can't come in 1st, and I win.

What do you guys think, Sure win?


Take the bet.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on February 21, 2007, 02:30:34 AM
You have 1000 bucks to throw around?  F*** the bet, give it to me.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on February 21, 2007, 03:45:29 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: NeoThunder
Question....Guy at Gamestop bet me $1,000 that PS3 would be on top in three years.  Now, I myself think this is a sure bet....I mean, for me it's not saying Wii has to come out on top (which I think it will), it just says PS3 can't come in 1st, and I win.

What do you guys think, Sure win?


Are you still going to be able to FIND the guy at Gamestop by that time?  And will a guy who works at Gamestop actually be able to honour a $1000 bet?  I'd take it if it was $100.  Oh yeah, and I'd make sure it includes global sales, because Japan is where Wii is going to win for sure.

Okay, sales...

Wii: AWESOME.  I'm so glad to see this.

Xbox 360: Cut the price already!

PS3: Ha ha ha.

DS: I have to wonder if these figures from NeoGAF are right, I was expecting DS to be #1 or #2.

PSP: I'm impressed at how it just keeps going.  It does have a decent lineup of Playstation ports, and as Kairon said, emulationz.

PS2: Way to outsell both next-gen graphics systems.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on February 21, 2007, 04:55:06 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BigJim
I don't mean to thread hijack, but why is the PSP still selling respectably in the States? I'm asking seriously. Are there actually good games coming out on a regular basis for it? I pay no attention to it, but the sales still surprise me.


If I had to guess, I would say many who were turned away from the PS3 due to price, but are still loyal to the Playstation name, opted for the handheld device.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 21, 2007, 06:59:11 AM
Those are pretty impressive shipment numbers for America. Could Europe be getting the shaft?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 21, 2007, 08:34:05 AM
The reason the DS numbers are so low is because there's a shortage WORLDWIDE!  The DS is doing so well in North America, Europe and of course Japan, Nintendo is having a hard time getting enough units out to all three regions fast enough to meet demand.

Also here's something interesting to look at, here's the NPD software total for the Wii and PS3 for people to compare.

Janurary sales - LTD sales

Wii
WARIOWARE: SMOOTH MOVES 201,249 - 201,249
LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS 188,858 - 1,119,95
RAYMAN RAVING RABBIDS 81,094 - 265,549
MADDEN NFL 07 56,045 - 234,769
RED STEEL 40,684 - 260,619
CALL OF DUTY 3 38,547 - 191,576
SUPER MONKEY BALL: BANANA BLITZ 34,967 - 209,975
EXCITE TRUCK 33,481 - 161,185
TRAUMA CENTER: SECOND OPINION 27,555 - 139,296
ELEBITS 26,063 - 87,054
MARVEL: ULTIMATE ALLIANCE 25,566 - 174,597
NEED FOR SPEED: CARBON 24,085 - 97,092
DRAGON BALL Z: BUDOKAI TENKAICHI 2 20,262 - 103,854
RAPALA TROPHIES: PRO TOURNAMENT FISHING 20,031 - 48,815
RAMPAGE: TOTAL DESTRUCTION 16,373 - 71,175
SUPER SWING GOLF 15,846 - 48,243
TONY HAWK'S DOWNHILL JAM 15,608 - 100,854
METAL SLUG ANTHOLOGY 15,135 - 46,820
MONSTER 4X4: WORLD CIRCUIT 14,474 - 47,213
GT PRO SERIES 13,560 - 54,290
ICE AGE 2: MELTDOWN 11,454 - 19,588
TOM CLANCY'S SPLINNTER CELL: DOUBLE AGEN 9,084 - 33,652
CARS 8,642 - 42,863
FAR CRY: VENGEANCE 8,107 - 23,394
SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS: CREATURE FROM THE 6,808 - 48,883
HAPPY FEET 6,324 - 39,876
AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER 6,263 - 45,035
WORLD SERIES OF POKER: TOURNAMENT OF CHA 4,887 - 12,173
OPEN SEASON 3,674 - 12,151
DISNEY'S CHICKEN LITTLE: ACE IN ACTION 3,204 - 7,477
BARNYARD 3,110 - 8,907
THE GRIM ADVENTURES OF BILLY & MANDY 3,035 - 14,202
ANT BULLY 1,284 - 3,839

Total Wii Software LTD = 3,971,854


Playstation 3:
RESISTANCE: FALL OF MAN 143,502 - 430,385
MADDEN NFL 07 75,244 - 259,238
PS3 FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 52,882 - 120,530
CALL OF DUTY 3 50,681 - 160,744
NEED FOR SPEED: CARBON 45,664 - 145,129
MARVEL: ULTIMATE ALLIANCE 34,008 - 117,634
TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 07 31,821 - 84,321
NBA 2K7 29,814 - 82,928
NBA 07 29,159 - 94,426
BLAZING ANGELS: SQUADRONS OF WWII 28,296 - 54,698
TONY HAWK'S PROJECT 8 24,521 - 86,695
RIDGE RACER 7 22,619 - 73,681
PS3 FULL AUTO 2: BATTLELINES 21,175 - 55,072
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 20,921 - 20,921
UNTOLD LEGENDS: DARK KINGDOM 16,726 - 54,698
GENJI 2: DAYS OF THE BLADE 15,929 - 42,901
NHL 2K7 13,213 - 33,690
MOBILE SUITE GUNDAM: CROSSFIRE 6,672 - 19,560

Playstation 3 Total Software LTD = 1,936,846


As anyone can see, the Wii is owning the PS3 hard in both hardware and software.  And when you take into account it cost third parties MUCH less to develop for the Wii and alot of their games sold just as good or even better on the Wii, third parties should be very happy with their Wii sales.

Any third party that decides to give more support to the PS3 over the Wii after this is a complete moron.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on February 21, 2007, 09:36:31 AM
That is right.  If Nintendo could shaft the Japanese, there'd be a lot more DSs in the US, but since demand is still much higher there than here, they get the most systems.   However, Nintendo has upped the amount of systems they can produce in a month now so we should see those DS numbers go up across the board.  

Plus, in Europe, the DS is the most popular system just like in Japan and it's just starting to come into the boom there that it had through all of 2006 in Japan.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on February 21, 2007, 09:57:29 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BigJim
I don't mean to thread hijack, but why is the PSP still selling respectably in the States? I'm asking seriously. Are there actually good games coming out on a regular basis for it? I pay no attention to it, but the sales still surprise me.


There've been some decent PSP releases of late, and the platform has quietly gotten a halfway respectable lineup of titles. I mean, it's still not in the DS league or anything, but it's no longer the Ngage redux that it was shaping up to be early on in its life.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on February 21, 2007, 10:53:02 AM
the DS Lite really all that hard to find?  I always see many boxes at my local Target.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 21, 2007, 12:41:25 PM
Those are pretty respectable numbers fo Wii third party vs. the PS3 third party!

It's impressive to see that the only PS3 multiplatform port that outperformed its Wii equivalent significantly was Need For Speed by about 40k units... Madden was about equal for both consoles, and Call of Duty, Marvel, and even Tony Hawk all did better on the Wii!

Also notable is the 130k figure for Trauma Center (yes!), the the 70k figure for rampage (huh?), and the bevy of small successes like 50k for Monster 4X4 (WHAT?!?!?!?)

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on February 21, 2007, 01:23:13 PM
I think the Wii's third party sales are very strong. Naturally IGN has an article up saying the opposite. It sadly seems that non-Matt/Bozon/Craig articles are filtering into the Nintendo section more and more and those articles are of the same amateurish quality of the non-Nintendo sections.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 21, 2007, 02:15:52 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Artimus
I think the Wii's third party sales are very strong. Naturally IGN has an article up saying the opposite. It sadly seems that non-Matt/Bozon/Craig articles are filtering into the Nintendo section more and more and those articles are of the same amateurish quality of the non-Nintendo sections.


You beat me to it! I was about to post that same story.

I agree that IGN is playing chicken little again. The games are selling better than expected, especially when some of them are technically inferior to the PS3 versions. And I'm sure companies are seeing great profit, despite "sluggish sales".

How long till Pittboi comes in here and paints a gloom picture on the sales data? :p
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Blue Plant on February 21, 2007, 02:27:23 PM
5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2007, 07:17:21 AM
Media Create Feb 12th - 18th

Software:
01. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village - 136,736 / NEW
02. (PSP, Bandai-Namco) Tales of Destiny 2 - 73,022 / NEW
03. (DS, Sega) Bleach DS 2nd: Kokui Hirameku Requiem - 45,486 / NEW
04. (DS, Konami) Death Note - 44,600 / NEW
05. (PS2, Nippon Ichi Software) Soul Cradle: Sekai wo Kurau Mono - 43,253 / NEW
06. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS - 41,105 / 156,664
07. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 39,598 / 1,134,069
08. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 39,128 / 1,043,683
09. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 29,342 / 908,774
10. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 28,254 / 3,991,966
~
11. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros.
12. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
13. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
14. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
15. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
16. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
17. (PS2, Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
18. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
19. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
20. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
21. (DS, Nintendo) English Training
22. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
23. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
24. (PS2, Sega) J-League Pro Soccer 5
25. (PS3, Sega) Virtua Fighter 5
26. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
27. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
28. (DS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
29. (PS2, Marvelous Interactive) Zero no Tsukaima: Shou-akuma to Harukaze no Concerto
30. (DS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test

DS - 21
PS2 - 4
Wii - 2
PSP - 2
PS3 - 1

Hardware:
Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 136,999 | 201,298 | 1,241,148 | 15,246,827
2. Wii - 63,618 | 78,550 | 667,096 | 1,586,739
3. PSP - 34,505 | 32,175 | 337,618 | 4,869,747
4. PS3 - 20,676 | 23,431 | 199,410 | 656,968
5. PS2 - 16,192 | 16,033 | 165,629 | 20,320,488
6. 360 - 5,210 | 4,811 | 57,827 | 322,529
7. GBA - 1,836 | 1,900 | 20,545 | 15,318,624
8. NGC - 347 | 383 | 3,806 | 4,173,274


Looks like Wii Sports & Wii play are sliding down the charts, hope its only temporary, and GTA: SA is still on the charts, while Zelda missed the Top 30 once again (it was #31 last week).
Blah, blah blah, DS continues to dominate the charts, but Virtua Fighter is still in the Top 25. After is sub-par debut, even though it debuted at #1, I surprised to see it on the charts at all.    
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on February 22, 2007, 07:41:47 AM
From 1 to 25 is just sad.  I know DQMJ had a real bad fall, but that was because of shortages and bounced right back up, I wonder if VF5 will have a bounce back later on.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 22, 2007, 08:57:09 AM
HUGE SALES for Prof. Leyton. Sold out I hear.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on February 22, 2007, 09:28:21 AM
Wii reaches 5 million, so says VGCharts

Over half of what Xbox 360 has sold in 20% of the time.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 22, 2007, 09:33:46 AM
I don't know... I'd place Wii at more around 4.4 mil worldwide.

Actually... 4.4 mil is about right for the end of January. We're more than halfway through February so...

OMG, 5 mil MAY be a reality!!!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on February 22, 2007, 10:00:51 AM
Who knows for sure until Nintendo tells us how many they sold?
I figure they are gaining on the 360 weekly worldwide since the Wii sells better in Europe and the US and the 360 is near non-existent in Japan.  I think by November of next year, if the momentum of each goes the same way, the Wii will be near equal with the 360 in sales, if not surpassing it.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2007, 05:17:34 PM
Media Create Harware Feb 12th - 18th:
Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 136,999 | 201,298 | 1,241,148 | 15,246,827
2. WII - 63,618 | 78,550 | 667,096 | 1,586,739
3. PSP - 34,505 | 32,175 | 337,618 | 4,869,747
4. PS3 - 20,676 | 23,431 | 199,410 | 656,968
5. PS2 - 16,192 | 16,033 | 165,629 | 20,320,488
6. 360 - 5,210 | 4,811 | 57,827 | 322,529
7. GBA - 1,836 | 1,900 | 20,545 | 15,318,624
8. NGC - 347 | 383 | 3,806 | 4,173,274

I'm pretty sure that these LTD #'s only include NPD upto Jan 07, the most recent Euro #'s(the last ones I've seen were for Dec.) and these MC #'s. So I'm pretty sure it would have made it over 5 million LTD by now.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ryancoke on February 23, 2007, 04:19:36 AM
I would like to see how the current sales of the Wii/360/PS3 translate into profit or loss.  I know that Wii makes money on every sale and PS3 loses money but what about the 360?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2007, 04:34:07 AM
The 360 is is either really close to breaking even or already making a very small profit per unit sold.
And with the rumored revision that may be coming out sometime this year, they will definately be in the profit zone, at their current price, which they will milk until the PS3 decides to have a price drop.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 23, 2007, 08:32:50 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

I'm pretty sure that these LTD #'s only include NPD upto Jan 07, the most recent Euro #'s(the last ones I've seen were for Dec.) and these MC #'s. So I'm pretty sure it would have made it over 5 million LTD by now.


Can someone please translate this sentence into something a simpleminded person such as I can understand.  Referring to the things such as MC's, LTD's, and NPD's. Thanks.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on February 23, 2007, 09:36:48 AM
Quote

I'm pretty sure that these lifetime-to-date numbers only include American sales up to Jan 2007, the most recent European numbers (December 2006) and Japan sales through last week. So I'm pretty sure it would have made it over 5 million lifetime-to-date by now.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 23, 2007, 09:55:19 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Shorty McNostril
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

I'm pretty sure that these LTD #'s only include NPD upto Jan 07, the most recent Euro #'s(the last ones I've seen were for Dec.) and these MC #'s. So I'm pretty sure it would have made it over 5 million LTD by now.


Can someone please translate this sentence into something a simpleminded person such as I can understand.  Referring to the things such as MC's, LTD's, and NPD's. Thanks.
Vudu covered it, but the acronyms are:

LTD = Lifetime To Date

NPD = Company for North American sales figures

MC = Media Create - Website for Japanese sales.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 23, 2007, 10:17:22 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
Quote

Originally posted by: Shorty McNostril
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

I'm pretty sure that these LTD #'s only include NPD upto Jan 07, the most recent Euro #'s(the last ones I've seen were for Dec.) and these MC #'s. So I'm pretty sure it would have made it over 5 million LTD by now.


Can someone please translate this sentence into something a simpleminded person such as I can understand.  Referring to the things such as MC's, LTD's, and NPD's. Thanks.
Vudu covered it, but the acronyms are:

LTD = Lifetime To Date

NPD = Company for North American sales figures

MC = Media Create - Website for Japanese sales.


But Black 'N Mild is wrond. The LTD numbers do NOT include NPD and Euro #s. Those LTD in Media Create's data are purely Japan only. Fortunately, his conclusion about the Wii being somewhere in the vicinity of 5 mil worldwide still holds true although the flow of his language does not. So... no harm no foul!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on February 23, 2007, 11:16:54 AM
The Wii is selling like there's a leprauchan (sp?) inside of it and there's arguing going on.

Let's trash the mess that is PS3, they are trying to turn us against each other with their tactics of high treason! I think Kairon is a Sony spy.

Dun dun dun!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2007, 05:43:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon

But Black 'N Mild is wrond. The LTD numbers do NOT include NPD and Euro #s. Those LTD in Media Create's data are purely Japan only. Fortunately, his conclusion about the Wii being somewhere in the vicinity of 5 mil worldwide still holds true although the flow of his language does not. So... no harm no foul!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

An oversite on my part, I'm often reading two or more different things inbetween/during postings. I was looking at the Japanese LTD and the WW LTD estimates during that post. Sorry

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: wandering on February 23, 2007, 05:51:36 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
As stated b4, no one is sure of the accuracy of this, but it should give you a rough estimate of whats been sold/shipped so far.





I'm impressed that this 3-month-old post is so accurate. It's like magic!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 23, 2007, 05:57:14 PM
BnM isn't hosting that!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on February 23, 2007, 06:05:42 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
I'm impressed that this 3-month-old post is so accurate. It's like magic!


Kind of related to that, anyone care to lay an opinion down on the credibility of nextgenwars.com versus vgcharts.com? I realize both are hardly dead on with their figures, with both being more of a "around here" type of source, but do people prefer one over the other for a particular reason?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 23, 2007, 06:25:46 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon

But Black 'N Mild is wrond. The LTD numbers do NOT include NPD and Euro #s. Those LTD in Media Create's data are purely Japan only. Fortunately, his conclusion about the Wii being somewhere in the vicinity of 5 mil worldwide still holds true although the flow of his language does not. So... no harm no foul!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

An oversite on my part, I'm often reading two or more different things inbetween/during postings. I was looking at the Japanese LTD and the WW LTD estimates during that post. Sorry


Its okay, it happens to me a lot! I'mspeaking one phrase then halfway through change my mind and finish with another phrase. Hence: Kill 'em all + Shoot 'em up = KILL EM UP!

... yeah, my friends just LOVED that one...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on February 23, 2007, 06:40:14 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Arbok
Quote

Originally posted by: wandering
I'm impressed that this 3-month-old post is so accurate. It's like magic!


Kind of related to that, anyone care to lay an opinion down on the credibility of nextgenwars.com versus vgcharts.com? I realize both are hardly dead on with their figures, with both being more of a "around here" type of source, but do people prefer one over the other for a particular reason?


I think that VG Charts tries harder than NexGenWars to predict figures. I believe that NexGenWars just figures out a rough trend and sets it up on their site, that way it can update constantly... then they just correct the figures when they get new updated info from the manufacturers, and revise their trends when they need to.

I think that VG Charts takes the data at hand and... tries to "improve upon it" and adjusts it using certain assumptions. For example, VG Charts tends to trust shipment figures for successful games... I read once. They also adjust hardware figures in certain directions due to beliefs that the tracking trends in a particular direction consistently (they don't use pure NPD hardware figures for their totals I believe), especially since some tracking information is notorious for doing some "estimating" themselves... like how NPD themselves just guesstimate Walmart numbers.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 24, 2007, 09:30:15 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
Quote

Originally posted by: Arbok
Quote

Originally posted by: wandering
I'm impressed that this 3-month-old post is so accurate. It's like magic!


Kind of related to that, anyone care to lay an opinion down on the credibility of nextgenwars.com versus vgcharts.com? I realize both are hardly dead on with their figures, with both being more of a "around here" type of source, but do people prefer one over the other for a particular reason?


I think that VG Charts tries harder than NexGenWars to predict figures. I believe that NexGenWars just figures out a rough trend and sets it up on their site, that way it can update constantly... then they just correct the figures when they get new updated info from the manufacturers, and revise their trends when they need to.

I think that VG Charts takes the data at hand and... tries to "improve upon it" and adjusts it using certain assumptions. For example, VG Charts tends to trust shipment figures for successful games... I read once. They also adjust hardware figures in certain directions due to beliefs that the tracking trends in a particular direction consistently (they don't use pure NPD hardware figures for their totals I believe), especially since some tracking information is notorious for doing some "estimating" themselves... like how NPD themselves just guesstimate Walmart numbers.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
If you had to go by one or the other and those were your only 2 choices, I would chose VGCharts hands down everytime. VGCharts is about as accurate of source as the average person like you or me are able to check.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on February 26, 2007, 06:43:11 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
BnM isn't hosting that!
Nexgenwars.com is nice enough to allow you to direct link to their images on your personal site/forum.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 26, 2007, 06:51:25 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
BnM isn't hosting that!
Nexgenwars.com is nice enough to allow you to direct link to their images on your personal site/forum.
I was gonna expalain that, but I thought it would be funner* to just let him think his complaints/snitching are/is being ignored.

* I know proper grammer is more fun but funner is easier
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on February 26, 2007, 07:07:57 AM
I didn't need an explanation
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on February 26, 2007, 07:16:17 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
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Originally posted by: vudu
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Originally posted by: IceCold
BnM isn't hosting that!
Nexgenwars.com is nice enough to allow you to direct link to their images on your personal site/forum.
I was gonna expalain that, but I thought it would be funner* to just let him think his complaints/snitching are/is being ignored.

* I know proper grammer is more fun but funner is easier


So you typed about 60 keystrokes in order to save yourself from typing 2?  Are you a programmer?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2007, 05:52:23 PM
Media Create Feb. 19th - 24th

Software:
01. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 705,281 / NEW
02. (PS2, Alchemist) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - 80,002 / NEW
03. (Wii, Nintendo) Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn - 75,359 / NEW
04. (DS, EA) SimCity DS - 50,826 / NEW
05. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village - 49,979 / 186,716
06. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 47,053 / 1,090,736
07. (Wii, Takara-Tomy) Naruto: Shippuuden Gekitou Ninja Taisen! EX - 45,792 / NEW
08. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 40,507 / 1,174,576
09. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 35,811 / 944,586
10. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS - 26,693 / 183,357
~
11. (PS2, Banpresto) Lupin the 3rd: Death for Lupin from Love of Money
12. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age
13. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros.
14. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
15. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
16. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Keroro Gunsou Enshuu da yo! Zen-in Shuugou Part 2
17. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
18. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
19. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
20. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
21. (360, Microsoft) Crackdown
22. (DS, Konami) Death Note
23. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
24. (PS2, Nippon Ichi Software) Soul Cradle: Sekai wo Kurau Mono
25. (PSP, Bandai-Namco) Tales of Destiny 2
26. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
27. (DS, Nintendo) English Training
28. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
29. (DS, Sega) Bleach DS 2nd: Kokui Hirameku Requiem
30. (PS2, Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
~
31. (DS, Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
32. (PSP, SNK Playmore) Metal Slug Complete
33. (Wii, Nintendo) Odoru Made in Wario
34. (DS, Bandai Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
35. (DS, Spike) IQ Supplement DS
36. (Wii, Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
37. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
38. (PS2, Konami) Prince of Tennis CARD HUNTER
39. (DS, Nintendo) 1000 DS Recipe
40. (DS, Rocket Company) Kanken DS
41. (DS, Sega) Love and Berry DS Collection
42. (DS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
43. (PS2, SNK Playmore) Garou Densetsu Battle Archive 2
44. (DS, Nintendo) Tetris DS
45. (PS2, Marvelous) Aaa! Megami samaa!
46. (DS, Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS
47. (DS, Capco) Megaman Star Force Pegasus
48. (DS, Sega) Puyo Puyo
49. (PS2, SCE) Untold Legends Dark Kingdom
50. (DS, Konami) NOVA Usagi no Game de Ryuugaku

DS - 31
PS2 - 8
Wii - 6
PSP - 4
360 - 1

Hardware:
DSL 136,128
PSP 100,210
Wii 78,506
PS3 19,315
PS2 15,054
Xbox360 4,183
GBASP 1,035
GBM 907
GC 323
DS 132
GBA 59

GTA dropped like a rock down to the #30 spot, Crackdown Debuts at #21 and VF5 has dropped off the face of the charts. FE did a little better than the unoffical famistu #'s stated & Wii Play is about 2 weeks away from breaking the 1 million mark.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2007, 05:57:04 PM
double post.... 5 minutes later? I balme it on internet connection problems. Not my fault.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: oohhboy on February 28, 2007, 06:04:20 PM
That is most impressive for a PSP game. What is it anyway? A pokemon like game? I wonder how long it will be up there. I wouldn't think it will have very long legs due to the smaller userbase.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on February 28, 2007, 06:11:44 PM
It's basically most PSP owners second game.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 28, 2007, 06:15:41 PM
Yeah, it sorta took them a while to decide to get another one.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Blue Plant on February 28, 2007, 06:47:04 PM
Probably could've sold 1,705,281 copies if it were on DS.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on March 01, 2007, 01:42:31 AM
give a little credit whered its due, those are amazing number for any game on any system especially on a system whose userbase is less than half that of its competition whose highest selling game sold 50,000 copies and is well recognized franchise. I've never heard of the PSP game before has anyone else? I don't think its an anime because I likely wouldv'e heard of it if it was.

Although let's give credit where its also due and say that the DS is still pounding the PSP into oblivion :-). Fire Emblem sales are a little disappointing.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on March 01, 2007, 02:25:08 AM
I'm not too surprised by Fire Emblem's sales...look at Wii Sports: It's not hardcore gamers buying the Wii in Japan, it's non-gamers.  For the next while, expect most traditional games to have so-so sales.  I've also heards some complaints that the game uses the classic controller where the pointer would have been perfect...maybe people are disappointed that it doesn't take advantage of the system's capabilities.

Monster Hunter did extremely well. I personally think it did better on PSP than it might have done on DS, where there's Pokemon to compete with.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2007, 05:19:01 AM
I'm not 100% on this, but I think MHP & MHP2 are just ports of the PS2 versions, and the PSP is a 1/3 the userbase of DS - 5mil vs 15mil.
and... FE sales aren't that bad considering that the one for GC only debuted at 25k higher and had a much larger userbase.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 01, 2007, 05:46:04 AM
Add the fact that Fire Emblem is only an artficially popular franchise, like the niche Ogre Battle/Tactics/Cooking/Fitness games.

MHP is a good example of catering to a hungry audience, like Halo and shooters in general for Xbox.  It's an effective business direction, and makes it obvious why Capcom is continuing support by simply porting last year's ps2 games, because of the $$$ potential, word up.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on March 01, 2007, 05:57:30 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Monster Hunter did extremely well. I personally think it did better on PSP than it might have done on DS, where there's Pokemon to compete with.


It's not a Pokémon clone, though. The series is more akin to Phantasy Star Online than anything else (no story, just objective after objective), and the title is not implying the catching of these monsters but the killing of them.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2007, 07:42:31 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I'm not too surprised by Fire Emblem's sales...look at Wii Sports: It's not hardcore gamers buying the Wii in Japan, it's non-gamers.  For the next while, expect most traditional games to have so-so sales.  I've also heards some complaints that the game uses the classic controller where the pointer would have been perfect...maybe people are disappointed that it doesn't take advantage of the system's capabilities.


Actually, I'm mightily impressed with FE's sales. It's a very niche title with a VERY new console userbase, and it seems to be on track to sell a respectable 100k to 115k... 150k if they're really lucky. 75k first week is beyond your average game launch, and more than I expected for a hardcore game on a console where Wii Sports and Wii Play are the big sales drivers.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 01, 2007, 07:45:07 AM
People are going to have to wait until next weeks sales before really saying anything about Fire Emblem.  FE9 for the Gamecube only sold around 150,000 total in Japan because it came out when the Gamecube was dead in 2005.  Since the Wii is selling very well in Japan right now, there's a good chance Fire Emblem will have some legs.

Plus you have to remember the best selling Fire Emblems were FE3 and FE4 back in the Super Famicom days and these were their lifetime totals.

Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem - 697,750
Fire Emblem: Geneology of a Holy War - 578,000

As you can see the series while popular was never putting up numbers in the millions.  It's always been more of a hardcore audience thing, so really all a Fire Emblem needs to do is sell a few hundred thousand and Nintendo will be happy with that.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on March 01, 2007, 10:25:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Arbok
Quote

Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Monster Hunter did extremely well. I personally think it did better on PSP than it might have done on DS, where there's Pokemon to compete with.


It's not a Pokémon clone, though. The series is more akin to Phantasy Star Online than anything else (no story, just objective after objective), and the title is not implying the catching of these monsters but the killing of them.

Whoops, my bad, I was thinking of Monster Rancher...which may still be nothing like Pokemon, it just struck me as a clone back in the day, although I never played it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 01, 2007, 11:20:23 AM
Monster Rancher started as a cash in to the Tomagatchi(sp?) craze and truly evolved into its own in the second version.  Which I still prefer overall. (Mainly because I like the idea of the monsters doing missions on there own.)
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2007, 03:44:08 PM
This is a pretty fast rate of sale for the Wii. I'm really hoping it holds up. 75k a week in Japan? Yikes! That pace is like, 3.9 million a year! Assuming america is also 75k weekly (NPD numbers for January seem to bear that out) and europe gets shafted at about 50k weekly.... that's like... 10.4 mil a year worldwide! stupendous! .... not enough to catch up with the X360 by New Year's '08 but still pretty stupendous.

... that's assuming the sales hold up.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 01, 2007, 03:52:36 PM
I'd say, if all goes as planned, Smash Bros in Spring 2008 or so will push the Wii ahead of the 360 for good..
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2007, 04:09:01 PM
The Wii won't be able to push these sorts of numbers though unless they can get the games out. The Holiday line-up will be VERY important, and to a lesser extent the summer line-up too since that'll lead into it and they'll need momentum if they really want to hit it big.

Actually, I'm hoping more casual-esque games like DDR Wii pop up this Fall (and Guitar Hero too perhaps?) because those will cement the Wii firmly in the middle of mainstream sensibilities. I'd also hope that they get more non-gamer experiences out there such as my current personal holy grail, Wii Music. And finally, they'd need SOME significant showing in the hardcore arena... there's no question that hardcore gamers will prefer the X360 and PS3 this fall (heck, MGS 4 is coming out, and maybe even Halo 3), but the Wii NEEDS to at least hold its own here for appearance's sake. Maybe a bevy of ports, MP3, BWii and online play this holiday season will do the trick?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 01, 2007, 04:16:37 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
there's no question that hardcore gamers will prefer the X360 and PS3 this fall (heck, MGS 4 is coming out, and maybe even Halo 3)


I'll pass on both of those vastly overrated games!

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 01, 2007, 04:37:43 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
there's no question that hardcore gamers will prefer the X360 and PS3 this fall (heck, MGS 4 is coming out, and maybe even Halo 3)


I'll pass on both of those vastly overrated games!


Ladies and gentlemen, I give you that most rare of beasts... that most legendary of legends... the stranbgest of a strange breed...

I give you a creature whose dignity is only outweighed by its wrath, whose cynicism is only outmatched by its optimism, a mix of true hyperbole and exagerration and hype and reality and possibility all in one...

I give you... the mythical, physical, lyrical, typical...

NINTENDO FAN!!!

*GASP*

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

P.S. J/k. As much as I respect those games and would probably get them for the Wii if ever such a thing happened... they're not nearly interesting enough to me to begin to tempt me to buy a second system. GTA IV maybe, but not those.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2007, 06:01:10 PM
umm... hardware & 31-50 posted

31. (DS, Pokemon) Pokemon Pearl
32. (PSP, SNK Playmore) Metal Slug Complete
33. (Wii, Nintendo) Odoru Made in Wario
34. (DS, Bandai Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
35. (DS, Spike) IQ Supplement DS
36. (Wii, Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
37. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
38. (PS2, Konami) Prince of Tennis CARD HUNTER
39. (DS, Nintendo) 1000 DS Recipe
40. (DS, Rocket Company) Kanken DS
41. (DS, Sega) Love and Berry DS Collection
42. (DS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
43. (PS2, SNK Playmore) Garou Densetsu Battle Archive 2
44. (DS, Nintendo) Tetris DS
45. (PS2, Marvelous) Aaa! Megami samaa!
46. (DS, Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS
47. (DS, Capco) Megaman Star Force Pegasus
48. (DS, Sega) Puyo Puyo
49. (PS2, SCE) Untold Legends Dark Kingdom
50. (DS, Konami) NOVA Usagi no Game de Ryuugaku

Hardware:
DSL 136,128
PSP 100,210
Wii 78,506
PS3 19,315
PS2 15,054
Xbox360 4,183
GBASP 1,035
GBM 907
GC 323
DS 132
GBA 59  

Looks like we found Wario & Zelda, but still no sign of VF5. I wonder if Gundam(sold 150k so far) will hold on for longer.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 01, 2007, 07:01:55 PM
Oh noz! PiisPii to0k out teh wii!

teh wii is d00m3d~1
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 02, 2007, 12:59:30 AM
The portable systems on top again.  Though the PSP is a lot closer then normal.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on March 02, 2007, 02:02:07 AM
I love how the top 3 are fairly close to each other in the 100k range, then all of sudden 4th place (the GayS3) is 19k.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 02, 2007, 02:41:42 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
there's no question that hardcore gamers will prefer the X360 and PS3 this fall (heck, MGS 4 is coming out, and maybe even Halo 3)


I'll pass on both of those vastly overrated games!


Ladies and gentlemen, I give you that most rare of beasts... that most legendary of legends... the stranbgest of a strange breed...

I give you a creature whose dignity is only outweighed by its wrath, whose cynicism is only outmatched by its optimism, a mix of true hyperbole and exagerration and hype and reality and possibility all in one...

I give you... the mythical, physical, lyrical, typical...

NINTENDO FAN!!!

*GASP*

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

P.S. J/k. As much as I respect those games and would probably get them for the Wii if ever such a thing happened... they're not nearly interesting enough to me to begin to tempt me to buy a second system. GTA IV maybe, but not those.


But MGS is a vastly overrated, over hyped series of games.  It doesn't matter what system they are on, it doesn't change the fact that it's overrated.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 02, 2007, 04:23:01 AM
MGS seems to have too narrow of a focus to rope in any amount of new players.

It's definitely the type of game I enjoy, but it never sold me a system. I'd play it if it was on the Wii (like I did with the GC), but I'm not about to drop $600 or even $300 on another system so I can play it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 02, 2007, 06:39:14 AM
With sites like Youtube in this day in age, you won't have to play it.

Just watch the 5 hours of cutscenes online.  in crap-definition
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 02, 2007, 06:46:25 AM
Actually, I downloaded the cutscenes from MGS3 and did just that.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on March 02, 2007, 06:54:56 AM
So...

Wii sales are pretty strong huh?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 02, 2007, 06:54:59 AM
YOU JUST SAVED $600 ON YOUR CAR INSURANCE!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on March 02, 2007, 07:42:58 AM
Am I the only one who's starting to see a lot more Wii commercials on TV?  I wonder if demand is finally starting to ease up a  bit?  Soon the company won't be able to rely on perpetual shortages.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ghisy on March 02, 2007, 09:23:51 AM
I actually saw one on French tv last night and it was the first time since the December 8th release date.
I don't watch much tv thoug so there may have been more before...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 03, 2007, 03:32:32 AM
Metal Gear Solid = sucks. I just can't get into a game where it's 70% cutscenes, and of the 30% if actual gameplay, 90% of that is played by trying to avoid action. That leaves 3% of the game experience for boss fights and throwing grenades that disable cameras.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on March 03, 2007, 03:56:00 AM
Fire Emblem Wii did WAY better than I expected considering the trend of slow non-game type games like this and Zelda being phased out.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2007, 11:46:28 AM
more #'s to chew on

MC 2/19 - 2/25

20?DS?MarioKartDS?17,000?2,105,000
63?DS?FFIII?3,800?995,000
61?DS?EtrianOdyssey?4,800?67,000
60?PS3?VF5?4,800?63,000
99?360?The Idol Master?1,700?31,000?(2/12 - 2/18?

DS CookingMama 20,000

Wii
Zelda?8,000?402,000
ExciteTruck?3,700?54,000
DBZ?3,100?108,000
Ennichi no Tatsujin?2,400?72,000
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Amodaus1 on March 03, 2007, 01:10:35 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Actually, I downloaded the cutscenes from MGS3 and did just that.


You sure picked the right MGS to watch the cut scenes for. In my personal opinion MGS 1 and 2 sucked, and sucked real hard (not the gameplay just the story), HOWEVER, anyone who has not played 3 and continues to bash the series for it's lack of gameplay should come to understand that it's a standard game with about 20 hours of gameplay, with an ADDITIONAL 5 hours of cut scenes. Not only that but MGS 3 acctually had a decent story line, and i'd love to play a game where THE BOSS was the main character.

Greatest line though, "I need you!" "Say that again snake!" "I need you.... To fly the plane."

And to whoever said it sucked cause you avoid action, It's a stealth game, what can you want from it? If you like the gameplay of MGS but were turned away from the amazingly bad story (and pathetically short gameplay) of MGS 2, give MGS 3 a shot
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 03, 2007, 03:53:29 PM
My favorite line in Twin Snakes was "A surveillance camera?!?!" because Snake sounded so incredibly pissed when he said it that my friends and I still joke about it to this day.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 03, 2007, 04:23:14 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
My favorite line in Twin Snakes was "A surveillance camera?!?!" because Snake sounded so incredibly pissed when he said it that my friends and I still joke about it to this day.


And my memory for lines in movies/games/TV series/anime fails me once more...Which scene was that? There were many scenes which involved security cameras, and I DO remember that a camera messed everything up, but where did it exactly happen?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 03, 2007, 04:31:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Actually, I downloaded the cutscenes from MGS3 and did just that.


You sure picked the right MGS to watch the cut scenes for. In my personal opinion MGS 1 and 2 sucked, and sucked real hard (not the gameplay just the story), HOWEVER, anyone who has not played 3 and continues to bash the series for it's lack of gameplay should come to understand that it's a standard game with about 20 hours of gameplay, with an ADDITIONAL 5 hours of cut scenes. Not only that but MGS 3 acctually had a decent story line, and i'd love to play a game where THE BOSS was the main character.

Greatest line though, "I need you!" "Say that again snake!" "I need you.... To fly the plane."

And to whoever said it sucked cause you avoid action, It's a stealth game, what can you want from it? If you like the gameplay of MGS but were turned away from the amazingly bad story (and pathetically short gameplay) of MGS 2, give MGS 3 a shot


I was not impressed with MGS3, in fact I had more fun with MGS2, goofy story and all. In regards to the defense of MGS3 having 20 hrs of gameplay and 5 hrs of cutscenes, I hate to break it to you but that is still quite a bit. In fact that is 1/5th of the game being cutscenes!
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Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 03, 2007, 04:48:54 PM
On the subject of MGS, MGS 3 was my first Metal Gear. I had play tested Twin Snakes and MGS 2 before, but I never got around to fully playing them. After enjoying the demo I went ahead and rented MGS 3 for the weekend and I was HOOKED. I played the whole thing non stop, and when I finished it I was in awe. The story was fantastic and the gameplay was rock solid.

I was the one that recommended S_B to download the cutscenes, because he doesn't have a PS2. I saw the whole thing with S_B and while the thrill of playing through the story was very minor, it was still captivating.

I then borrowed S_B's copy of Twin Snakes. I loved it as well, ESPECIALLY the boss fights but the story wasn't as engaging as in MGS 3. There were tons of character drama, yes, and I loved the humanity the story brings to the cliched sci fi war story arc, but for some reason it didn't have me hooked. Maybe the reason I have much higher respect for MGS 3 is because it was my first MGS game and thus my first time experiencing such grand storytelling?

I skipped on MGS 2. I heard far too many horror stories that keep me from even renting the game.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 03, 2007, 05:06:16 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64
On the subject of MGS, MGS 3 was my first Metal Gear. I had play tested Twin Snakes and MGS 2 before, but I never got around to fully playing them. After enjoying the demo I went ahead and rented MGS 3 for the weekend and I was HOOKED. I played the whole thing non stop, and when I finished it I was in awe. The story was fantastic and the gameplay was rock solid.

I was the one that recommended S_B to download the cutscenes, because he doesn't have a PS2. I saw the whole thing with S_B and while the thrill of playing through the story was very minor, it was still captivating.

I then borrowed S_B's copy of Twin Snakes. I loved it as well, ESPECIALLY the boss fights but the story wasn't as engaging as in MGS 3. There were tons of character drama, yes, and I loved the humanity the story brings to the cliched sci fi war story arc, but for some reason it didn't have me hooked. Maybe the reason I have much higher respect for MGS 3 is because it was my first MGS game and thus my first time experiencing such grand storytelling?

I skipped on MGS 2. I heard far too many horror stories that keep me from even renting the game.


You love Sonic and the Secret rings along with MGS3? Batting a no hit game aren't we? Hehe
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 03, 2007, 05:23:15 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
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Originally posted by: pap64
On the subject of MGS, MGS 3 was my first Metal Gear. I had play tested Twin Snakes and MGS 2 before, but I never got around to fully playing them. After enjoying the demo I went ahead and rented MGS 3 for the weekend and I was HOOKED. I played the whole thing non stop, and when I finished it I was in awe. The story was fantastic and the gameplay was rock solid.

I was the one that recommended S_B to download the cutscenes, because he doesn't have a PS2. I saw the whole thing with S_B and while the thrill of playing through the story was very minor, it was still captivating.

I then borrowed S_B's copy of Twin Snakes. I loved it as well, ESPECIALLY the boss fights but the story wasn't as engaging as in MGS 3. There were tons of character drama, yes, and I loved the humanity the story brings to the cliched sci fi war story arc, but for some reason it didn't have me hooked. Maybe the reason I have much higher respect for MGS 3 is because it was my first MGS game and thus my first time experiencing such grand storytelling?

I skipped on MGS 2. I heard far too many horror stories that keep me from even renting the game.


You love Sonic and the Secret rings along with MGS3? Batting a no hit game aren't we? Hehe


I haven't played Secret Rings. I defended it, yes, but I haven't played it.

I'll likely end up playing S_B's copy once he is fully done with it, so until then I am neutral on the game. I defended it because the game is rock solid (according to fan reception), plus I didn't like how you generalized Nintendo fans for liking games like SR and Red Steel.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on March 03, 2007, 07:15:58 PM
Who here is hating on MGS3?

(Also read:  "Who here would like to be shot in the face?")
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 03, 2007, 07:46:23 PM
Ignore the total mindf*ck story of Sons of Liberties and it's a better game than Twin Snakes. The problem with Twin Snakes is that Silicon Knights and Konami didn't redesign the levels to take advantage of the MGS2 gameplay mechanics. It made the game so much easier. On the bright side, they somehow made Grey Fox 10000% more badass than he already was.

I didn't play much of MGS3. I watched a friend play through some of it. A 30 minute boss battle? What the f*ck? And then there's the boss that releases the dogs with bees in their mouth so when they bark they shoot bees at you... actually, he just controls bees (or hornets) and shoots them at you which really, isn't that much less ridiculous.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Amodaus1 on March 04, 2007, 04:03:11 AM
30 min boss battle?

You must be talking about The End. Whether you loved or hated that boss battle, you have to give credit where credit is due, IT's NOT a standard boss battle, and you can take MANY unique approaches to killing The END, one which come to mind is pushing your ps2 clock foward 2 weeks in time after you engage him, if you do this, he will die of old age. Either way, most people like the most that it's a sniper battle, some people don't.

And who said 5 hours of video = 1/5 of the game. You must have miss read my post, i said 5 ADDITIONAL hours. I never count cutscenes into my gamplay count, because your not playing. So if you want to compare mgs 2 which has a blazing 4 hours of gameplay to MGS 3 which has 20, we're talking 500% more game. Now if we talk ADDITIONAL cutscenes, MGS 2 has a blazing 500% increase over MGS 3.

Yeah i didn't like the pain, but i liked all the other bosses in MGS 3. Seriously, if you like MGS's gameplay you should try MGS 3, it is the best in the series, and will not dissapoint. I'm actually pissed that portable ops and 4 will not playable by myself, epessially 4, it looks promising.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on March 04, 2007, 05:07:28 AM
You said 5 hours cutscenes, 20 hours gameplay. By my count that's 1/5th of the game spent watching cutscenes.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on March 04, 2007, 11:11:59 AM
Even if it is 1/5 of the game, what's wrong with that?  (Then again, I run a Wing Commander fansite so I'm probably more partial to the whole "interactive movie" thing. :-P )
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Amodaus1 on March 04, 2007, 11:22:21 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
You said 5 hours cutscenes, 20 hours gameplay. By my count that's 1/5th of the game spent watching cutscenes.


You can skip cut scenes, you can't skip gameplay. Thus cutscenes aren't counted
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 04, 2007, 11:24:35 AM
OMG1 Wing Commander Fansite! Sign me UP!!!!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on March 04, 2007, 11:31:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
OMG1 Wing Commander Fansite! Sign me UP!!!!


I can't tell if that's a jab or not... :-\
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 04, 2007, 11:35:25 AM
I LOVED PRIVATEER!!!!!

... but I was 11 at the time... so I could never get out of the Troy system without getting cut into ribbons...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on March 04, 2007, 11:40:32 AM
Haha.  Well you should give it another go now that you're "older and wiser"!  

Funny, one of the few things that actually gets discussed on our little site is work being done for a Privateer remake.  Like I said we're really small (just started up in January), and our core posters are modellers for WC fan projects at the moment.  Feel free to sign up, always great to have new members!  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 04, 2007, 02:22:30 PM
In Privateer I had a hard time getting my original Jelly Bean ship to where I could really play the game.  I ended up bouncing between my older friends save that I modified and saved differently and the one I actually earned.  Good times good times.  Wing Commander 1 on the other had I did well except for missions dealing with Mines or Asteroids...
I got the collection but I could never get it to run or my joystick to play the rest of them.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 04, 2007, 02:25:43 PM
I just saw Privateer Gemin Gold.  I'm going to have to give that a try.

Salvaged Double post.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 04, 2007, 02:42:03 PM
The sad fact of the matter is that freelancer just DOESN'T feel the same.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 04, 2007, 03:00:22 PM
I have Freelancer and I agree.  For me I will have to say what really breaks it for me in Freelancer is how you control the ship and the view you are in.  Not nearly as intense.  Just can't beat a joystick for a game like that.  I finally got my hands on the newest Mechwarrior game and I enjoyed all the previous ones but I couldn't play this one because of my lack of joystick.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on March 05, 2007, 06:26:51 AM
What collection to you have, Ceric?  Kilrathi Saga?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 05, 2007, 06:47:58 AM
I played the Wing Commander games before, don't remember much about them though (In regards to Mech games never cared much for them either!).  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 05, 2007, 07:45:57 AM
It's possible you played Mech Commander, not Wing Commander.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on March 05, 2007, 08:14:31 AM
Freelancer was so boring. You played for two hours and that was it, you now know exactly how the game works.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 05, 2007, 10:15:33 AM
Wing Commander 2 is where it's at.

Forget the live actors.

386-POWERED ANIMATIONS ALL THE WAY
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MLS_man_64 on March 05, 2007, 10:17:57 AM
Anyone else notice that the clouds on death mountain are red, when viewing them from the Temple of Time, and Kakiriko Village, but from Hyrule Field they are regular clouds, what is the deal with that, another VC bug perhaps?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on March 05, 2007, 10:41:13 AM
Funny, WC 2 is actually my least favorite main Wing Commander game.  (Trust me I catch a lot of flak for that in the community).  What got me hooked was WC III, IV, Prophecy, and Secret Ops.  But if you're gonna go the old school animation rout, I'll take the original Wing Commander any day.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 07, 2007, 06:34:13 AM
The Wii is selling well in Australia too..

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According to an official report, via Vooks, it appears Nintendo's Wii has finally surpassed Sony's PlayStation 2 in Australia. Released on 7th December, 2006 in that territory, Nintendo's new console has sold more than 68,000 units to date, with 17,000 of those coming in 2007 alone. In comparison, the Xbox 360 has sold a total of 153,000 units since launch early in 2006 and has cracked 13,000 units sold so far this year. As for the PlayStation 2, 265,000 units were sold in 2006 and sale tracker GfK states "It's still a very strong console."

Despite being so strong, though, the Wii has finally managed to edge ahead in terms of overall popularity thanks to a supply of strong games, increased hardware stock and people not buying PS2s due to waiting for the impending PlayStation 3. The test will be when Sony's next generation platform launches...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 07, 2007, 05:52:09 PM
Media Create Feb. 26th - March 4th

01. (PS3, Bandai-Namco) Gundam Musou - 170,725 / NEW
02. (DS, Banpresto) Super Robot Wars W - 139,311 / NEW
03. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 137,851 / 843,132
04. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 39,639 / 1,130,376
05. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village - 33,957 / 220,673
06. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 31,702 / 976,288
07. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2 - 28,495 / NEW
08. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 27,236 / 1,201,812
09. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 24,545 / 4,193,532
10. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 22,854 / 4,039,850
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11. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
12. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS
13. (Wii, Nintendo) Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn - 18000 / 93000?
14. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
15. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
16. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 15000 / 155000
17. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
18. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
19. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
20. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
21. (DS, EA) SimCity DS
22. (Wii, Takara-Tomy) Naruto: Shippuuden Gekitou Ninja Taisen! EX
23. (Wii, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
24. (PS2, Alchemist) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - 11000 / 91000?
25. (DS, Nintendo) English Training
26. (DS, Konami) Death Note
27. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
28. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
29. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
30. (DS, Sega) Bleach DS 2nd: Kokui Hirameku Requiem

34. (DS, Sega) Love & Berry - 7000 / 903,000
40. (Wii, Nintendo) Zelda - 6800 / 409,000?
49. (DS, ????) Puyo Pop Fever 15th Anniversary Edition? - 4900 / 123,000
55. (PS3, Sega) VF5 - 3700 / 67,000?
56. (DS, S-E) FF3 - 3500 / 999,000
58. (DS, ????) Luminous Arc - 3400 / 42,000
59. (DS, Atlus) Etrain Odyssey (Sekaiju no MeiQ) - 3100 / 70,000  
86. (Wii, Konami) Elebits - 1800 / 52,000

Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 - 110,000
Ennichi no Tatsujin - 74,000
Bleach Wii Hakujin Kirameku Rondo - 61,000
Crayon Shin-Chan: Saikyou Kazoku Kasukabe King Wii - 38,000

Top 30:
DS - 22
Wii - 5
PS2 - 1
PSP - 1
PS3 - 1

Wii Play should break 1 million next week. Looks like Sony has finally hit the #1 spot and its even rumored to have doubled their hardware sales too!!! (20k x 2 = 40k)    
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 07, 2007, 05:56:01 PM
I want Picross
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on March 08, 2007, 02:47:27 AM
So Sony grabs the #1 and #3 spots for it's new hardware pieces, then isn't heard from again until the #24 spot with its "old" hardware.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on March 08, 2007, 02:53:28 AM
Ouch, Sony dominating the entire top 30 from above. Looks like third parties know which system to choose now.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on March 08, 2007, 03:17:45 AM
Wow, Elebits isn't really a big seller, is it?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on March 08, 2007, 05:21:56 AM
I don't really care for seeing WiiPlay outsell Zelda.  Not just because I hate to see a great game getting spanked by a collection of tech demos but because of the trend it shows.  Japan seems to have fully embraced non-gaming.  The problem is that since the crash Japan has provided the best games.  If Japan is too focused on non-games then that only leaves Europe and North America for the "real" games.  Or at the very least Japanese developers are going to be designing their gamer games for the western audience.  I don't see that being good for the game industry's longterm health.

The market crashed the last time western game design was king.  A western focus will make companies like EA have even more influence on gaming than they do now.  Western publishers are too focused on fads and catering to the mainstream.  Their games are very often disposable.  No one cares about them a year later when the sequel comes out.  Aside from the fact that would suck from a quality point of view I think too much of that will eventually cause a backlash.  But then I don't see gaming as being truly mainstream friendly anyway.  I think it requires too much effort from the user to truly be embraced by the public like passive activities like music, movies and TV.  The best gaming can hope for is being a fad and relying on youth and hardcore gamers to carry it through the rougher times.  Nintendo thinks otherwise so I may be wrong.  Still I'm concerned.

Hell, even if the mainstream does like games forever who wants an industry where WiiPlay outsells Zelda?  If the East focuses on non-games and the West focuses on EA-style games then who's left to make games for game fans?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: odifiend on March 08, 2007, 05:36:39 AM
If Zelda had a wiimote packed in, the numbers would be different...  You can't infer anything really telling from the sales of a game with a pack-in at standard price and a regular game.  I would also hope that as Wiis become more available, Zelda:TP will continue to sell into the future.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 08, 2007, 05:47:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane Hell, even if the mainstream does like games forever who wants an industry where WiiPlay outsells Zelda?  If the East focuses on non-games and the West focuses on EA-style games then who's left to make games for game fans?


The fans of those games need to step up, take out loans, open development houses and make those games themselves, and the Wii presents the absolute best opportunity to do just that.
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Post by: couchmonkey on March 08, 2007, 05:50:05 AM
Sorry Ian, the industry just isn't going to be what you want it to be ever again.  The other option was for Nintendo to slowly become irrelevant while someone else figured out how to tap into the non-gamer market.

The thing is, there will always be hardcore games.  DS has plenty of them.  But just like 2D fighters, SHMUPs, and Adventure games, genres will die in pouplarity.  I believe the humongo-single-player adventure/RPG is the next on the chopping block.  Huge budgets to create 50-100 hour games that only appeal to dedicated gamers... Zelda, Final Fantasy and the rest are going to have to evolve or die.  Dragon Quest IX is already on the "evolve" train by moving to DS and becoming multiplayer.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 08, 2007, 05:58:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Hell, even if the mainstream does like games forever who wants an industry where WiiPlay outsells Zelda?  If the East focuses on non-games and the West focuses on EA-style games then who's left to make games for game fans?

Europe?

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Originally posted by: odifiend
If Zelda had a wiimote packed in, the numbers would be different...  You can't infer anything really telling from the sales of a game with a pack-in at standard price and a regular game.  I would also hope that as Wiis become more available, Zelda:TP will continue to sell into the future.
Myabe they should bundle the nunchuck with a Special Edition of Zelda TP that way it will complement all those WiiPlay bundles.

You can't find a controller, so you buy WiiPlay, but now all you have is the controller.
You can't find the nunchuck, so you pick up Zelda too. Now gaming and non-gaming both win.
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Post by: odifiend on March 08, 2007, 06:15:09 AM
That's what I'm talking about, BNM!  If Wiiplay 2: Revenge of the 'Tech Demos' came out tomorrow and was 30 bucks with a nunchuk, you can believe I'd pick that up too.
The timing on the release of Wiiplay was perfect - early so that the 'extra' wiimote would be a huge consideration in its purchase.  Nintendo basically manufactured a one million selling game when it devised the Wiiplay bundle.  Instead of looking at this as an isolated success for Nintendo sales, this is being taken as signal for the crash of gaming as we knew it.  That is such bullcrap.  This gen is looking to be the 'have your cake and eat it too' gen for Nintendo.  There are plenty of game games to go along with the nongames.  What is cool is unlike the past two generations, Nintendo isn't the only one making games for its console.  But let's keep jumping to the most negative conclusions.  That is definitely the most fun...
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Post by: jasonditz on March 08, 2007, 06:20:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane

Hell, even if the mainstream does like games forever who wants an industry where WiiPlay outsells Zelda?  If the East focuses on non-games and the West focuses on EA-style games then who's left to make games for game fans?


The non-games market isn't replacing the games market in Japan, it's piggybacking on it. The honest-to-god games market had a slight contraction in recent years there, but it's still a multi-multi-billion dollar industry. Companies like Koei and Square Enix and Namco Bandai and Konami have invested enormous amounts of money in attracting the people capable of making the real games that industry wants.

With apologies to Majesco and Hudson, any idiot can make a Crossword Puzzle simulator or a Sudoku game. Those products have their place and even among gamers they're not totally without interest. It's fine for those products to exist... it's even fine if there wind up being more of those products sold than the real games. The game industry isn't going to vanish.

The talent in the industry is not being steered into non-games. Miyamoto is not making a Wiimote calisthenics program. Yu Suzuki is not making a Japanese to Korean dictionary. Hideo Kojima is not going to make a touch-sensitive sculpture program. Hironobu Salaguchi is not producing a photorealistic simulation of that little game at Japanese festivals where you catch koi with a paper net.

These are the sort of guys the great games have always come from, and they're where the future great games are going to come from.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on March 08, 2007, 07:10:41 AM
Once we actually get more "gamers" games expect the sales chart to differ dramatically. As stated the remote with WiiPlay is of course bolstering sales, Nintendo is a smart company I really want to see their end of year financial report, it's probably going to be staggering.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Deguello on March 08, 2007, 07:43:26 AM
Ian, take solace in the fact that, even if you don't count Wii Sports and Wii Play as "games," pretentious as that is, Zelda is still the #1 "game" in Japan this generation at this point, at about 410,000 units, which will steadily increase IMO.

BTW Did you Know?  On the SNES, A Link to the Past was outsold by a Dragon Ball Z Fighting game.  Don't act like it's the end of the world.  You pansy.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 08, 2007, 08:04:23 AM
Plus there's the fact that worldwide Twilight Princess has sold over 2 million copies.  In America and Europe 2/3 of all Wii owners own the damn game.  At the rate it's going it's looking to be one of the top selling Zelda's of all time.  Actually when you compare it's attachment rate right now and how it's selling there's a good chance Twilight Princess will top Ocarina of Times sales and become the best selling Zelda of all time by the end of the Wii's lifespan.

Just because non games sell better in Japan then Zelda doesn't mean a thing.  Japanese companies like all world companies only care about money.  And when there gamer games put up huge numbers in America and Europe, that's all they need.  They're not going to throw all that away because of Japan when they still have a gold mine in the rest of the world.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 08, 2007, 08:44:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't really care for seeing WiiPlay outsell Zelda.  Not just because I hate to see a great game getting spanked by a collection of tech demos but because of the trend it shows.
Or is it really that you don't care seeing that "real" video games are just a part of the market? Imagine if there was solid hard tangible evidence that was really hard to discredit or disprove, and it disproved the existence of the Christian God? Do you think a certain percentage of the U.S. population would not care for it? It would shake the very foundation of certain religious extremists. Now don't take from that Ian, that i'm calling you a religious extremist or a video game extremist. But what I am saying is that i'm not surprised that certain groups, even individuals, like you Ian, are concerned about what the popularity of Nintendo's new games means for the future of video games.

I mean, does it mean that your video game beliefs are not important anymore, Ian? Does it means that certain "truths" in the video games world are no longer valid or true? Does it mean that "real" video games will be "compromised" now? In a very real way, I think certain video game blowhards (not that you are one Ian ) are beginning to feel like they are losing power, even perhaps, emasculated.

Even though I'm clearly a Nintendo kind of guy, this isn't as bad as you may envision it could become Ian.

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Japan seems to have fully embraced non-gaming.  The problem is that since the crash Japan has provided the best games.  If Japan is too focused on non-games then that only leaves Europe and North America for the "real" games.  Or at the very least Japanese developers are going to be designing their gamer games for the western audience.  I don't see that being good for the game industry's longterm health.
It only means even more games will be created. And not as in Atari E.T. or Pacman. I'll repeat what I told someone on another game website. This really isn't anything new. The "hardcore" video gamers think they run the show, but they don't. This information is disturbing and jarring only because it is revealing to hardcore gamers who they really are. Just a slice of the pie; perhaps not the majority piece.

There is nothing foul or poisonous about these games to the industry, except to the hardcore ego. The video game sandbox doesn't exclusively belong to you/them now.

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Hell, even if the mainstream does like games forever who wants an industry where WiiPlay outsells Zelda?
And so what if it does? Does it mean Zelda isn't fun because of it? Come now, that's just being ridiculous.

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If the East focuses on non-games and the West focuses on EA-style games then who's left to make games for game fans?
Oh stop it. You're never going to get Square-Enix, Capcom, Konami, etc, to stop make highly graphically detailed games. Besides in the US, you've got Valve, Epic, id Software, etc... You are not going to be deprived of "real" games.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 08, 2007, 08:54:23 AM
It all will not matter once you become part of the Wii.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 08, 2007, 09:09:21 AM
JOIN US IAN!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on March 08, 2007, 09:15:21 AM
"And so what if it does? Does it mean Zelda isn't fun because of it? Come now, that's just being ridiculous."

It means there's a possibility that games like Zelda will not be made as often.  That's the concern.  As non-gaming gets bigger companies will focus on it more and will focus less on "gamer games".  Why spend money making gamer games when non-games cost less to make and will sell more copies?  That is the concern.  Hell we see it now on the Wii.  Nintendo has not released a gamer game on the Wii since launch.  Warioware and WiiPlay are clearly aimed at the non-gamer like WiiSports was.  The Gamecube at the same time in it's life had four first party gamer games (Luigi's Mansion, Wave Race, SSBM, Pikmin) while the Wii has two first party gamer games(Zelda, Excitetruck) and three non-games.  While the Wii seems to be selling better Nintendo's priorities are different.  They now have to make two different types of product and they have not released anything for the "original group" since launch.  For a gamer not interested in non-games Nintendo's first party output is essentially half of what it was before.

The situation is quite new.  A group where previously nearly 100% of the product was aimed at them (ie: everyone was a gamer; like any hobby if you lacked the skills to enjoy the interest or failed to understand it you didn't participate) now has a different group fighting for attention.  The new group is bigger and more easily pleased.  I see no logical reason from a business persceptive for a publisher to continue to release a comparable amount of product for group 1 anymore when group 2 requires less effort and higher financial gain.  It's like when reality TV and game shows suddenly took off and for a few years there was nothing on TV worth watching.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on March 08, 2007, 09:42:48 AM
I'm pretty sick of everybody complaining about this "nongamer" crap.  Warioware games were being made on the gba before nintendo coined the phrase but now that one is on the Wii it is a nongame.  I love smooth moves and because this version is easy to pick up it is suddenly not a "game."

Ian you shouldn't be worried about more "nongamers," you should be more worried about the lack of "real gamers."  It doesn't matter how many nongamers come into existence if the amount of traditional gamers doesn't drop the games you want will still be made.  When the industry grows the old parts don't suffer in order to satisfy a new demand, instead more games are made to satisfy the new parts.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 08, 2007, 09:55:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane

It means there's a possibility that games like Zelda will not be made as often.
Zelda's never get released more then once or twice on a console anyway. So it's not like Wii Sports killed your chance at a third Zelda. It ludicrous to think a Final Fantasy, Zelda, Halo, or GTA is going to be displaced by ANY GAME. Hell going with that trend... Why not argue no games should be released, but the genre kings? Sorry, competition and variety is a good thing.

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As non-gaming gets bigger companies will focus on it more and will focus less on "gamer games".  Why spend money making gamer games when non-games cost less to make and will sell more copies?
You can say this about any game though. As game X gets bigger and bigger, game Y will go out of focus. But more over, small inexpensive games that sell lots and lots of copies are what finance your big extravagant and very expensive Final Fantasy's, Halo3's, and GTA's.
 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: odifiend on March 08, 2007, 09:59:07 AM
Just curious, what companies, other than Nintendo, have started putting out 'non-games'?

How is excite truck a game where you control a truck by rotating the wiimote like a steering wheel a gamer game but how wii sports is a non game?  I remember owning Track & Field for the NES.  It was a compilation of events from the olympics.  As far as I knew it was a gamer game.  I don't really see how wii sports is anything but an extension of that concept.
I can imagine wave race controlling similarly to excite truck.  I don't see where 'gamer games' end and 'non games' begin.  Please explain it to me.  Tetris is a classic game.  Where does that fall?  Even Brain Age has elements of a classic arcade game - it pits you against your own past performances.
Ian, the situation is not new at all.  You were just too young to remember the first time it happened.  Video games used to be only an arcade phenomenon.  I wish I could meet your parallel who was saying that home consoles would ruin video games.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Deguello on March 08, 2007, 10:22:49 AM
Ian is caught inside of his own Ian-centric definitions as if they are the only definitions. I see WarioWare as a "Gamer game" because the series was started before this nomenclature war even began.  I even seem to recall Ian saying it was "too hardcore" or something.  Now all of a sudden it's too "non-game."  Whatever.  

This merry-go-round isn't fun anymore, Ian.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 08, 2007, 10:24:24 AM
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odfiend wrote:
Just curious, what companies, other than Nintendo, have started putting out 'non-games'?

Nintendo is just credited for leading the current charge to capture the non-gamer audience and make those kinds of games part of their business model. A few companies have released "non-games" over the years even if they were probable never meant to be a priority for those companies. Sega released Seaman years ago and Konami's DDR series isn't necessarily a gamer's game though many gamers now enjoy it. Recently, Capcom has Phoenix Wright. Atlus publishes Trauma Center and Touch Detective.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Deguello on March 08, 2007, 10:27:00 AM
What in THE HELL makes Trauma Center a non-game?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 08, 2007, 10:32:51 AM
It's a medical simulation. What doesn't make it a non-game?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Deguello on March 08, 2007, 10:36:12 AM
Sorry, son.  You made the claim first.  You have to ante up the evidence.  "It's a medical simulation" isn't going to cut it.  What makes it a non-game?  Try to answer with more than one sentence.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 08, 2007, 10:58:48 AM
it Is no tHE tradishunull
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on March 08, 2007, 11:36:35 AM
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Originally posted by: odifiend
Just curious, what companies, other than Nintendo, have started putting out 'non-games'?



Majesco, Hudson, Ubisoft, Bandai, EA, THQ, Telegames, Activision, Daiwon
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: odifiend on March 08, 2007, 01:04:44 PM
Keyword: started.  DDR and a lot of those other games were already being made.  Where is the wave of companies who started not putting out their traditional games in favor of non games?  I would say there aren't any.
Jason, if you want to give me titles to match with all those companies making 'nongames', that would be great...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on March 08, 2007, 01:29:33 PM
WHO HAS TRAINWRECKED THE PRECIOUS SALES THREAD??!?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 08, 2007, 01:39:36 PM
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Deguello wrote:
Sorry, son. You made the claim first. You have to ante up the evidence. "It's a medical simulation" isn't going to cut it. What makes it a non-game? Try to answer with more than one sentence.

I don't really need more than one sentence. Everything about Trauma Center makes it a non-game. If you really want to get into it, first define what a "non-game" is because the term itself is elusive. I tend to think that it's a "game" that reaches beyond established genres and/or is created with people who don't normally play videogames in mind. That's a vague description but it's also subjective. Your definition of what a non-game is may differ. Trauma Center fits into my definition of what a non-game is. So I throw it back to you, what about Trauma Center doesn't make it a non-game?

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odfiend wrote:
Where is the wave of companies who started not putting out their traditional games in favor of non games? I would say there aren't any.

I agree. Not even Nintendo has done that. Games like Zelda, Mario, Smash, Metroid etc still seem like a priority to them. Nintendo isn't going to stop putting out their big traditional games in favor of non-games. I think we're seeing companies release more non-games even though the focus remains on traditional games.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: wandering on March 08, 2007, 02:25:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
I don't really need more than one sentence. Everything about Trauma Center makes it a non-game. If you really want to get into it, first define what a "non-game" is because the term itself is elusive. I tend to think that it's a "game" that reaches beyond established genres and/or is created with people who don't normally play videogames in mind.

Trauma Center and Phoenix Wright are both non-traditional and do attract a different kind of player...but they aren't non-games any more than MASH or A Few Good Men are non-movies. One is a fast-paced action game requiring quick reflexes, the other is a traditional point-and-click adventure game requiring puzzle-solving skills. Note the use of the word "game" in both descriptions.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: jasonditz on March 08, 2007, 02:32:40 PM
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Originally posted by: odifiend
Keyword: started.  DDR and a lot of those other games were already being made.  Where is the wave of companies who started not putting out their traditional games in favor of non games?  I would say there aren't any.
Jason, if you want to give me titles to match with all those companies making 'nongames', that would be great...


Majesco - New York Times Crossword Puzzle DS
Hudson - Sudoku Gridmaster
Ubisoft - Catz and Dogz
Bandai - Tomagatchi
EA - Sims
THQ - Ping Pals
Telegames - Ultimate Brain Games
Activision - Whac-A-Mole
Daiwon - That Japanese Korean dictionary thingie for the DS
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Deguello on March 08, 2007, 02:44:25 PM
Trauma Center was most definitely not created with casual gamers in mind.  It gets hard.  Like Really hard.

Seriously, this is so retarded.  So what, you listed like several new games on the DS and call them non-games?  Trauma Center isn't really a "simulation" and if you played it or saw a video of it or maybe even did a little research into it you would know it isn't a "non-game" by any stretch.  You said everything about it screams "non-game."  WHAT ABOUT IT?  why do I have to define non-game if you are the one making the damn claim?  YOU define it, and say why you think Trauma Center is a non-game.

And Adrock, if the definition of non-game changes from person to person like you postulate, then all I have to do to validate it's "game-ness" is say I think it is one and be done with it.  It sorta makes the whole idea of classification pointless.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 08, 2007, 02:46:16 PM
Trauma Center is the very definition of a gamer game: it's based entirely on skill, precision, reflex and failure is a ready possibility at all times.

A non-game like Nintendogs is a "non-game" because of the generally low expectation in terms of actions on behalf of the player that require skill, reflex and timing.

Trauma Center was ridiculously based on skill and reflex, as was Wario Ware. I wouldn't even call certain Wii Sports games non-gamer games, such as Boxing and Baseball, as the amount of skill and speed required to compete at later levels is pretty intense. They have casual appeal, yes, but they're still very much GAMES.

EDIT: Beat me by 2 minutes, Deguello...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: wandering on March 08, 2007, 04:21:27 PM
I think Trauma Center might be called a lapsed-gamer game: a game that appeals to someone who liked Super Mario Bros, but finds most modern games too violent, or traversing 3d landscapes too hard.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on March 08, 2007, 06:07:51 PM
I seem to recall Ian having the same worries about the DS. Look where it's now. Oh, right, he probably didn't buy one because it's "infested with non-games" like Castlevania, Megaman, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, ...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 08, 2007, 06:19:02 PM
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Deguello wrote:
Seriously, this is so retarded.

If you want to talk about what's really retarded, think about how riled up you're getting about this. Jeez.... Such hostility. Chill pills for everyone... And before you assume that I know nothing about Trauma Center, please keep in mind that I work in a video store and I've played almost everything on Wii. By "almost" I mean, I'm not wasting my free rentals on Barnyard or Avatar.

Yes, it gets hard, but skill and difficulty don't define what a game is. Who says a non-game can't be hard? A pre-school difficulty level isn't necessary to draw the non-gamer in.  A non-gamer doesn't know Trauma Center will drive them up a wall, but they might pick it up and give it a chance because it's not like anything they've seen before. They might like it and they might want to put the game down. At the same time, it might make anyone put the game down. The important thing is getting them to try it. These non-traditional games are meant to attract different audiences (though they're not supposed to be exclusively appealing to non-gamers). The design of Trauma Center tends to elicit a second glance from non-gamers because of it's different.

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why do I have to define non-game if you are the one making the damn claim? YOU define it, and say why you think Trauma Center is a non-game.

I did define it and I think you should too because the very definition of what a non-game is at the heart of this discussion. If you think my definition is wrong, then say why you think it's wrong and part of that is defining what a non-game is yourself.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Bloodworth on March 08, 2007, 09:31:06 PM


Non-games are not defined by who will like them.
Electroplankton is a non-game.  
Japanese cookbooks are non-games.  
The Kanji dictionary and language programs are non-games.
Nintendogs is just as much a game as Animal Crossing.
Trauma Center is an intense hardcore game in every way and you'd be a fool to think otherwise.

Now that's settled.  Let's get this thread back to the point.  Where the heck are this week's hardware numbers?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 08, 2007, 10:03:11 PM
Sorry, I was off watching 300...

Media Create Feb. 26th - March 4th (in its entirety since the thread has been derailed)

Software:
01. (PS3, Bandai-Namco) Gundam Musou - 170,725 / NEW
02. (DS, Banpresto) Super Robot Wars W - 139,311 / NEW
03. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 137,851 / 843,132
04. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 39,639 / 1,130,376
05. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village - 33,957 / 220,673
06. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 31,702 / 976,288
07. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2 - 28,495 / NEW
08. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 27,236 / 1,201,812
09. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 24,545 / 4,193,532
10. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 22,854 / 4,039,850

11. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
12. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS
13. (Wii, Nintendo) Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn
14. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
15. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
16. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
17. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
18. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
19. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
20. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
21. (DS, EA) SimCity DS
22. (Wii, Takara-Tomy) Naruto: Shippuuden Gekitou Ninja Taisen! EX
23. (Wii, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
24. (PS2, Alchemist) Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
25. (DS, Nintendo) English Training
26. (DS, Konami) Death Note
27. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
28. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
29. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
30. (DS, Sega) Bleach DS 2nd: Kokui Hirameku Requiem

31. (DS, Spike) IQ Supply
32. (DS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
33. (DS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
34. (DS, Sega) Love+Berry
35. (DS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
36. (PS2, Capcom) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
37. (PSP, Bandai-Namco) Tales of Destiny 2
38. (DS, Nintendo) Tetris DS
39. (PS2, Banpresto) Lupin the 3rd: Death for Lupin from Love of Money
40. (Wii, Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
41. (PS2, Nippon Ichi Software) Soul Cradle: Sekai wo Kurau Mono
42. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Keroro Gunsou Enshuu da yo! Zen-in Shuugou Part 2
43. (DS, Nintendo) Jump Ultimate Stars
44. (PS2, Sega) Yakuza
45. (DS, Nintendo) Cooking Navi
46. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable
47. (DS, Sega) Sangokushi Taisen DS
48. (DS, Capcom) Mega Man Star Force: Pegasus
49. (DS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
50. (DS, Shogakukan) DS Kageyama Method Electronic Math Drills

DS - 35
Wii - 6
PS2 - 5
PSP - 3
PS3 - 1

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. DS - 111,926 | 136,260 | 1,489,334 | 15,495,013
2. PSP - 66,156 | 100,210 | 503,984 | 5,036,113
3. Wii - 57,972 | 78,506 | 803,574 | 1,723,217
4. PS3 - 44,000 | 19,315 | 262,725 | 720,283
5. PS2 - 15,364 | 15,054 | 196,047 | 20,350,906
6. 360 - 3,379 | 4,183 | 65,389 | 330,091
7. GBA - 1,568 | 2,001 | 24,114 | 15,322,193
8. GC - 303 | 323 | 4,432 | 4,173,900
 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 09, 2007, 01:36:31 AM
PSP outsold Wii. Is that because Nintendo can't get them out fast enough?

And PS3 Gundam is number. That'll last until next week maybe.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Deguello on March 09, 2007, 02:20:09 AM
Yes, Wii sales patterns seem to reflect it being restrained by supply.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2007, 05:31:25 AM
some first day sales #'s

Yoshi Story (DS) 100k
Karous (DC) 2000 <--- The last DC game ever?
Power Smash 3 (PS3) solld 20% as much as VF5 did on its first day (i.e. ~10k?)
Heroes of Mana (DS) shipped 100k but sold 10k.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 09, 2007, 06:00:23 AM
*VOMIT*

Heroes of Mana did that poorly?!

Maybe Japan has become so throughly convince of the series' utter crappiness that they won't touch it anymore.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 09, 2007, 06:08:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
*VOMIT*

Heroes of Mana did that poorly?!

Maybe Japan has become so throughly convince of the series' utter crappiness that they won't touch it anymore.


That or the game was ''too hard" for them...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 09, 2007, 06:52:08 AM
Auto-play wasn't in the game options.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on March 09, 2007, 10:03:31 AM
Wow, Mana did pretty poorly.  I think there are a bunch of reasons, but I don't feel like going into them now.

PSP has another okay week, Wii is the undisputed home console champ of Japan.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 09, 2007, 01:50:14 PM
I am sad at Mana's repeated poor performances. /cry

What's the next major title due for Wii in Japan? We're about to coast into a pretty decent 2-3 months in America... what's it like over there I wonder?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Edfishy on March 09, 2007, 03:06:17 PM
I was considering Heroes of Mana until I discovered single cartridge multiplayer wasn' t possible.  I'm sorry, but I'd prefer a four-player splitscreen version of the game on the Wii or something.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 09, 2007, 04:02:49 PM
I didn't get Children of Mana for the same reason. I'm not buying 2 versions of the game so my brother and I can play multiplayer. I'm still hoping that Seiken Densetsu 3 eventually makes it to the Virtual Console. Slim chance, I know...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 09, 2007, 04:03:56 PM
I'd buy multiple copies of a game if it doesn't suck.

Shame CoM didn't fit into that category...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 14, 2007, 06:04:09 PM
Media Create March 5th - 11th

Software:
01. (DS, Nintendo) Yoshi's Island DS - 303,114 / NEW
02. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 93,099 / 936,231
03. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village - 45,344 / 266,017
04. (PS2, Spike) Kenka Bancho 2: Full Throttle - 42,131 / NEW
05. (DS, Banpresto) Super Robot Wars W - 36,310 / 175,620
06. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 35,298 / 1,165,674
07. (PS3, Bandai-Namco) Gundam Musou - 31,145 / 201,869
08. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 26,452 / 1,228,264
09. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 26,340 / 1,002,628
10. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age - 20,716 / 4,060,566

11. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros.
12. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
13. (DS, Square-Enix) Seiken Densetsu: Heroes of Mana
14. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
15. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2
16. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
17. (DS, Sega) Doraemon's New Magic World Adventure DS
18. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS
19. (PS3, Sega) Power Smash 3
20. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
21. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
22. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
23. (Wii, Nintendo) Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn
24. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
25. (DS, Nintendo) English Training
26. (Wii, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
27. (PS2, Konami) GuitarFreaks & DrumMania Masterpiece Gold
28. (PS2, Nippon Ichi Software) Amagoushi's Mansion
29. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
30. (Wii, Nintendo) Eyeshield 21: The Gridiron's Strongest

DS - 19
Wii - 5
PS2 - 3
PS3 - 2
PSP - 1

Wow @ Yoshi's Island DS getting a good start on its way to it first million & congratulations to Wii Play & FFIII for finally crossing the 1million mark.

I'm also surprised to see Sony has managed to have a game for each console reach the Top 10 all at the same time.  

edit: Also now the Wii has twice as many 1 Million sellers than the Gamecube did in Japan.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Requiem on March 15, 2007, 08:52:16 AM
I would like to state that in my hometown (a big college town mind you) there are no Wiis in stock.

It's actually quite sad .

I'm still Wii-less.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on March 15, 2007, 09:28:30 AM
"I would like to state that in my hometown (a big college town mind you) there are no Wiis in stock."

I haven't seen a Wii for sale in my entire life but I assumed that this was normal.  Have Wiis suddenly become widely available in certain areas?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2007, 09:31:32 AM
Not that I've seen.

I just called Gamestop and they said that, for the past few weeks, they haven't gotten ANY Wiis in.

I think I was right about Nintendo not being able to manufacture worth a damn...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 15, 2007, 09:34:18 AM
Now you're just unreasonable.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2007, 11:18:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Now you're just unreasonable.


I'm unreasonable on many subjects, but this is not one of them.

It makes sense that more Wiis would be arriving in stores as time goes on, not less.

Nintendo must've run out of plastic and are currently negotiating to drill for more.

...in a Japanese wildlife reserve.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on March 15, 2007, 11:18:35 AM
Link to NeoGaf post of Feb. NPD #s.


Sony's funeral, Nintendo's crowning


Who was it that said it's retarded to say PS3 is dead? I guess it depends on what one means by dead, but it sure as hell ain't gonna be #1, the minute they revealed the price they made sure of that.

 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on March 15, 2007, 11:41:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Jin-X
Who was it that said it's retarded to say PS3 is dead? I guess it depends on what one means by dead, but it sure as hell ain't gonna be #1, the minute they revealed the price they made sure of that.


Jesus Christ... I think the bigger news is that the 360 is still getting its ass handed to it by the PS2.

Oh who am I kidding... PS3 getting taken out by the GBA just can't be beat.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on March 15, 2007, 11:53:15 AM
Yup GBA>PS3. Can't wait to hear the spin.

In all seriousness, this must be a turbulent time for 3rd party devs/publisher big wigs since so many bet their big projects on the wrong horse.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on March 15, 2007, 12:03:27 PM
Software numbers here:

Guess Halo 3 and a Wiimote help move games, who would of thunk it?

And Zelda on Wii outsold Gears, guess Zelda is gonna have long legs and keep selling at a steady rate.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Blue Plant on March 15, 2007, 12:04:21 PM
Capcom will likely still stick to their guns and back the PS3 to the bitter end.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 15, 2007, 12:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Jin-X
Link to NeoGaf post of Feb. NPD #s.


Sony's funeral, Nintendo's crowning


Who was it that said it's retarded to say PS3 is dead? I guess it depends on what one means by dead, but it sure as hell ain't gonna be #1, the minute they revealed the price they made sure of that.
Yes! I was disappointed with DS sales last month since it seemed to finally completely take off in North America during the holidays, but didn't do well in January. I guess it was just the shortages.

Nothing can stop the DS. It's a worldwide phenomenon. And the Wii and DS are really driving the industry up.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on March 15, 2007, 12:29:20 PM
The huge Crackdown numbers and the lacking spike in 360 HW numbers illustrates the 360's problem: the lack of variety in their library, XBX games sell great but they are all too similar so they fail to attract new people, they sell to the same fanbase.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 15, 2007, 12:53:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Not that I've seen.

I just called Gamestop and they said that, for the past few weeks, they haven't gotten ANY Wiis in.

I think I was right about Nintendo not being able to manufacture worth a damn...


First, I read that Nintendo would ante ip the shipments in April, so by logic more Wiis should be in stores by summer.

Second, don't you find it weird that even with stores not getting any Wiis it sold roughly 335,000 units in February?

Shouldn't those numbers be lower, especially if the system is hard to find?

WEIRD...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 15, 2007, 01:21:36 PM
I dunno, maybe it's hard to find because the units are being sold.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2007, 01:30:04 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Blue Plant
Capcom will likely still stick to their guns and back the PS3 to the bitter end.


And it WILL be bitter.

Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
I dunno, maybe it's hard to find because the units are being sold.


I'm guessing that Wal-Mart and BestBuy are getting the majority of the Wii shipments right now, which totally shafts retailers like GS on hardware sales, but they prefer to sell software anyway since there's a much better margin on it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 15, 2007, 02:17:48 PM
SB, I should state that I wasn't being sarcastic in my last post. I do honestly find it weird that despite massive shortages the Wii is still selling by the thousands.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 15, 2007, 03:00:08 PM
It's the mafia.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 15, 2007, 04:56:33 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666
Now you're just unreasonable.


I'm unreasonable on many subjects, but this is not one of them.

It makes sense that more Wiis would be arriving in stores as time goes on, not less.

Nintendo must've run out of plastic and are currently negotiating to drill for more.

...in a Japanese wildlife reserve.


Icecold nailed it: people are actually buying Nintendo systems in February, of all months.

The only reason why we saw more Nintendo console units in stores at similar times in past generations is because people didn't want it.

Just admit it, Nintendo is actually popular, rather than more popular than they expected such that they made a minimal number of units to save money and share among the territories.

Then again, no Nintendo home console has been in demand in all major territories at the same time, this soon.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 15, 2007, 05:05:13 PM
Absolute Nintendo DOMINATION. BTW, Wal-Mart had 3 PS3s on the shelf 4 days ago - I went back, still 3 there. My Best Buy has 17.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 15, 2007, 05:52:56 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666
Icecold nailed it: people are actually buying Nintendo systems in February, of all months.

The only reason why we saw more Nintendo console units in stores at similar times in past generations is because people didn't want it.

Just admit it, Nintendo is actually popular, rather than more popular than they expected such that they made a minimal number of units to save money and share among the territories.

Then again, no Nintendo home console has been in demand in all major territories at the same time, this soon.


Um, yeah, but my question is why Gamestop didn't receive any Wiis for the past 3 weeks (and I'm sure it's Gamestop and that other retailers are still getting them).

I've no idea why Gamestop would be so low on the totem pole when it comes to shipment allocation, but it seems like they are. I've always seen BB and Wal-Mart getting more systems.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 15, 2007, 06:28:37 PM
They're getting shipments. They're just not telling you because they sell out so fast anyways, there's no point I bet!

So... Square Enix... Kingdom hearts Wii is probably a foregone conclusion by now maybe? ... Why not throw in FF XIII as well?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 15, 2007, 06:30:54 PM
I wonder when Namco will drop some Wii announcements - where are those 30 supposed games? Even if most are licensed, I'm sure there are a few big names. Hopefully at E3.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 15, 2007, 06:30:57 PM
One thing the local GameStop lady told me is Nintendo treats geographical groups of stores as regions of finite product stock.

You could have 1 Target, covering say a 20 mile radius as if it was "the" one and only target of the city.  Nintendo will send that store 20 Wii units in one shipment.

If within that same radius there's 5 GameStop stores, Nintendo will treat that group of GameStops as a single Gamestop region.  Nintendo will send 20 units in one shipment, but it will be DIVIDED amongst those 5 stores.

Thus, each Gamestop doesn't get a lot of stock to begin with, and in turn, the stock appears to deplete sooner than a Target (a single, LESS localized retail outlet) that has to sell through 5 times as many stock.

In the end, people may be right that the bigger stores get more unit favor.  Probably because it (1) costs less to ship a bundle of units to a single location, rather than UPS things to separate chain outlets, and (2) people are developing this tendency to lineup at the bigger stores, causing faster sales rates to occur at the bigger store, and (3) online retail outlets are managing to get units in stock in contrast to the "in store only" sale policy that was used throughout the past holiday, so the online stores are now taking a piece of the available shipment pie.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on March 15, 2007, 06:46:51 PM
I wonder if our local store still has the Wii that has been sitting there for weeks?

The declining PS3 numbers are what I've hoped for, it's good that people aren't dumb enough to buy a console that's twice as expensive as a console should be and doesn't offer any games other than the promise of FF and MGS plus the belief that what was on the PS2 will automatically be exclusive to the PS3.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Donutt007 on March 16, 2007, 07:07:50 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Brandogg
Absolute Nintendo DOMINATION. BTW, Wal-Mart had 3 PS3s on the shelf 4 days ago - I went back, still 3 there. My Best Buy has 17.


I was reading an article about that. Some stores were only putting a couple of PS3s on the shelf to make it look like a limited number. I think it was a Target, the manager said that's the only way they can sell them.

They have to fake a high demand to move them off the shelf = pathetic.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2007, 07:32:34 AM
Thats what they were doing at the Circuit City by my work a little while back, they would display 2 behind the counter saying that it was the last 2, and when someone would buy one and then leave the store, they would replace the missing one with a different one from the stash under the counter.

I still have yet to see a Wii for sale on a store shelf though.  

edit:
February totals for Japan + US + Canada:

Wii 660k
360 259k
PS3 219k

Wii outsold 360 & PS3 combined, and thats not even counting Europe, which would help 360 but help Wii even more.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2007, 07:51:52 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666 Thus, each Gamestop doesn't get a lot of stock to begin with, and in turn, the stock appears to deplete sooner than a Target (a single, LESS localized retail outlet) that has to sell through 5 times as many stock.


That makes sense, as this Gamestop was one which is kinda out of the way from the others.

I called one nearby but in a denser population area and they HAD gotten some in in the past few weeks so it sounds like you're correct.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on March 16, 2007, 09:28:31 AM
I wish people would stop buying the Wii, this way I would be able to buy one for myself. If they could just stop for a few hours, I can't get the store early Sunday morning, and by 1:00p.m when I can get the store, there are no more...

The major retailers aren't even selling them online, and I refuse to pay extra even though I want it so badly.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 16, 2007, 10:02:12 AM
Try Sams.  I saw about 5 at Sams pack with Twilight Princess.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on March 16, 2007, 10:07:56 AM
The conspiracy theorist in me would argue that Wii numbers are dropping because Nintendo is trying to prevent Wii supply from outpacing demand until there are more games to drive demand.

Even if that were true, though, the fact is Wii is outselling the competition nicely, even with relatively few new games.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2007, 12:42:33 PM
There are still plenty of people who would like to own a Wii for Zelda, Sports, Wario Ware, Red Steel, Sonic, Elebits, etc. etc., but as of yet can't because you still can't find Wiis in stores and they go for $75 over retail (including shipping) on ebay.

I don't know what's taking Nintendo so long to seriously get the lead out, but they're missing a golden opportunity here.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 16, 2007, 12:50:45 PM
Yeah, when you're pacing ahead of the PS2 at this same point in its life, and supporting three regions all at once, then you KNOW you're just being lazy.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2007, 12:59:02 PM
We've discussed this already: the fact that Nintendo couldn't supply enough DSL units, a system which has been out for a year already and is WELL known as a huge seller, indicates that they cannot properly manufacture stock worth a damn.

What are they worried about, that the DSLs WON'T sell? Pff...

Remember: my original prediction is that the Wii won't be in proper stock until Sept of this year, and while I intentionally exaggerated on that guess, here we are almost in April and I've still never seen one ON a shelf. I HOPE to hell we don't make it THAT long, but we'll see.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 16, 2007, 01:04:51 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
We've discussed this already: the fact that Nintendo couldn't supply enough DSL units, a system which has been out for a year already and is WELL known as a huge seller, indicates that they cannot properly manufacture stock worth a damn.

What are they worried about, that the DSLs WON'T sell? Pff...

Remember: my original prediction is that the Wii won't be in proper stock until Sept of this year, and while I intentionally exaggerated on that guess, here we are almost in April and I've still never seen one ON a shelf. I HOPE to hell we don't make it THAT long, but we'll see.


Yet they are still selling over 300k a month in NA, that is a pretty hefty supply of systems, and I'm sure both MS and Sony would have trouble hitting that production number in a month. BTW I've seen the Wii on shelves like 3 times in the last month!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2007, 01:23:42 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix Yet they are still selling over 300k a month in NA, that is a pretty hefty supply of systems, and I'm sure both MS and Sony would have trouble hitting that production number in a month. BTW I've seen the Wii on shelves like 3 times in the last month!


Not so.

Between 2000-2007, Sony has allegedly shipped over 100 million PS2s. If that's to be believed (which it by and large is, as VG Charts says it's 111 million), then Sony had an average of 1.2 million PS2s being manufactured every month, and their demand was nothing like the Wii's is right now. It's still early, but I suspect Sony or MS would drop the cash for many more factories if they had a product as hot as the Wii + DS (both of which are hard to find right now).

I'm not really blaming Nintendo for the shortage...yet. If we DO reach Sept and they still haven't gotten Wiis to stay on shelves, then I don't think it can be argued that Nintendo can't manufacture worth a damn.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 16, 2007, 02:39:18 PM
Well we also have to take into consideration that Wii is being distributed globally, I would not be surprised if it is hitting close to 1.2 million if you factor worldwide shipment (Like PS2). Not to mention that Nintendo is also manufacturing the NDS Lite, and GBA SP still (even the GC if some reports are to be believed). Also it appears the projected number of PS3s either shipped or sold (not sure which you can never know with Sony) is 37 million. Which divided by 6 years and 6 months (Not sure exactly how long it has been) equals about 470+ thousand shipped a month, which does not factor in when production was ramped up later on. (Please check my math, I'm not the best).

Anyway if you factor in Worldwide shipments, I would not be the least surprised if Nintendo has averaged around 1.2 million each month like Sony did with PS2, which is mighty impressive in my opinion for a relatively smaller company.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 16, 2007, 03:43:53 PM
Wii shipments are about 600-800k, worldwide at present.

But yeah, the handheld manufacturing means that they're sharing resources, but I still maintain that Nintendo should be opening factories like crazy.

Wii demand will only go up, and god help them with the DSL supply when DQ9 launches...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 16, 2007, 04:57:05 PM
All 3 Wal-Marts had PS3s during the past 2 days (no, I didn't go just to look for PS3s), but none had Wiis, including the one that had 10 Wiis a few weeks ago. Looks like someone found out they had it in stock. Also, every time I go to Gamestop (which is rare, but they gave me $30 for Twilight Princess today, and $25 for Wario Ware), the fake PS3 boxes say "now in stock" out front...no Wiis...no nunchuks. If Sony announces this HOME BS, and that same week I see 17 PS3s, then I can't see HOME being as cool as they thought it was.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on March 16, 2007, 05:06:05 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Brandogg
If Sony announces this HOME BS, and that same week I see 17 PS3s, then I can't see HOME being as cool as they thought it was.


Sony priced the PS3 at such a figure that only the most hardcore gamer would ever consider picking one up just for one or two "cool" games, or a concept in this case I suppose.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2007, 05:47:06 PM
I'm sure some of the people that picked up a PS3 so far, did it solely to use it at as a cheap Blu Ray player. At $600 PS3 was the cheapest Blu ray player you could find, I think the next cheapest one was around $850-$1000 for a stand alone. That would explain why no one is buying software, but the movies are selling pretty well.

and just for record keeping purposes and easy referencing:
February NPD

Software:
360 CRACKDOWN 427K
Wii PLAY W/ REMOTE 371K O_O
DS DIDDY KONG RACING 262K
Wii LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS 130K
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR 130K
360 GEARS OF WAR 119K
360 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K7 113K
360 LOST PLANET: EXTREME CONDITION 111K
Wii WARIOWARE: SMOOTH MOVES 109K
360 NBA STREET HOMECOURT 102k

Video Games Software (up 28%)
2006: $ 345M
2007: $ 441M

Hardware:
Nintendo DS 485,000
Wii 335,000
PlayStation 2 295,000
Xbox 360 228,000
PlayStation Portable 176,000
Game Boy Advance 136,000
PlayStation 3 127,000
GameCube 24,000
Xbox 480

VG Industry (HW, SW, & Accessories - up 53%!)
2006: $639M
2007: $978M

*Source: The NPD Group.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 16, 2007, 10:14:10 PM
Fantastical.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on March 17, 2007, 04:40:35 AM
I think Nintendo is trying to be cautious. One day, hopefully later than sooner, the systems aren't going to be flying off the shelves at the rate at which they are now. If Nintendo spends money opening new factories that they are going to have to close in 3 or 4 months, it adeversely affects their profits. Although it would provide a boost in sales, since more available would translate to more sold, the boost would be temporary. Eventually the supply and demand will level out to a point where their current rate of production will be fine.

My hope is that with their high controller prices, cost cutting production methods, and the fact that they're making money on each console sold, that they are hoarding money now, to prepare for the losses of their next system. This system is already in development, although perhaps still in the planning stages. It is unlikely that they won't be entering the graphics war next gen, but hopefully they'll be able to keep the price down with all the money they make on the Wii.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2007, 06:37:09 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666
Fantastical.


I think you mean "fantastication".
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 17, 2007, 09:05:42 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666
Fantastical.


I think you mean "fantastication".


Fine Gentlemens! I believe I am not mistakenly in pronouncing your faculties of ear most befudged with wax!

I believe that the utterance that you are stretching for is "BEAUTACIOUS" am I not most correct?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 17, 2007, 09:14:32 AM
Well, I meant...

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Caterkiller on March 18, 2007, 05:40:38 AM
 So im the go to guy for Wiis in my area. This morning I just picked up my 8th one. I get to Toys R Us at about 6:30 AM, and im surprised to see no one there. I figure well maybe hype is dying down

By 7:30, 2 more guys show up and we just chat all morning about the industry. By 10 AM over 60 people are in line, and there are 52 Wiis at this particular Toys R Us. Im still amazed that Nintendo really has a hit on its hands.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on March 18, 2007, 06:09:33 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Caterkiller
By 10 AM over 60 people are in line, and there are 52 Wiis at this particular Toys R Us.


That's quite a crowd... but I'm even more amazed that there were 52 Wiis sent to that particular Toys R Us this week.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Caterkiller on March 18, 2007, 06:34:15 AM
Well I just talked to the lady I was getting the Wii for and it turns out she went to another Toys R Us and got one too. Well now I have an extra Wii and don't know what to do with it.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 18, 2007, 06:36:56 AM
Interesting... Whereas NPD puts Wii sales in January at about 436,000 units, Reggie in an interview with San Jose Mercury News pegged the number higher, probably due to Nintendo's own internal shipping and sales tracking mechanisms...

Quote

The fact that we sold 494,000 (consoles in January) ... certainly speaks to getting as much product into the marketplace as possible.


NPD is after all, a system of estimations. I'm willing to bet that Nintendo's internal tracking service is more accurate and reliable.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 18, 2007, 06:38:23 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Well I just talked to the lady I was getting the Wii for and it turns out she went to another Toys R Us and got one too. Well now I have an extra Wii and don't know what to do with it.


I'm sure you'll find someone who's wiiless and would love for you to sell them your extra.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 18, 2007, 09:42:46 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Well I just talked to the lady I was getting the Wii for and it turns out she went to another Toys R Us and got one too. Well now I have an extra Wii and don't know what to do with it.


Sell it on ebay! That is what I do.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2007, 11:08:10 AM
You'll fetch another $40-60 on eBay, but like Kai said, I suspect if you just wait, you'll find someone to buy it off you.

In fact, I guarantee that if you bring enough people over to see Wii Sports, ONE of them will buy it.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Athrun Zala on March 18, 2007, 11:56:00 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
Interesting... Whereas NPD puts Wii sales in January at about 436,000 units, Reggie in an interview with San Jose Mercury News pegged the number higher, probably due to Nintendo's own internal shipping and sales tracking mechanisms...

Quote

The fact that we sold 494,000 (consoles in January) ... certainly speaks to getting as much product into the marketplace as possible.


NPD is after all, a system of estimations. I'm willing to bet that Nintendo's internal tracking service is more accurate and reliable.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
NPD tracks US sales ONLY, whereas Nintedo is giving the whole continent sales (all of the Americas), that's why they're higher....
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2007, 12:05:59 PM
Know what? I think I might be totally full of sh*t, more so than usual, even.

Last I remember hearing, NPD doesn't include Wal-mart sales, right? If that's the case, then they're probably at least 1.2 mil per month.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 18, 2007, 12:37:52 PM
NPD estimates for the retail outlets that don't provide sales info. So the numbers you see include the estimations for Wal*Mart too.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2007, 12:57:54 PM
Ah, I see.

Still, I'm sure accurate Wal-mart numbers would provide a higher number overall.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on March 18, 2007, 04:10:57 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Ah, I see.

Still, I'm sure accurate Wal-mart numbers would provide a higher number overall.


Well both Nintendo and Sony quoted the NPD figures this month. So they either must be pretty close to the actual figures, or were better than them.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: utarefsoN on March 18, 2007, 04:22:38 PM
anyone know the list of retail stores that NPD get actual numbers from??
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 18, 2007, 04:25:43 PM
Quote

Well both Nintendo and Sony quoted the NPD figures this month. So they either must be pretty close to the actual figures, or were better than them.
Well, they extrapolate, and might be generous and add a bit. But also, I think Nintendo feels that people will take the NPD numbers more seriously, since they are an external, third-party source. Even if Nintendo's own tracking figures are more accurate, many probably think of NPD as more reputable because of the perceived bias, or think Nintendo's numbers are only "shipped consoles" or whatever.    
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 18, 2007, 04:39:59 PM
In other words, good news about Nintendo sounds more convincing coming from someone other than Nintendo.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Dryden on March 20, 2007, 09:28:59 AM
I don't know if this is it's own thread or if it belongs here but...
Click here for Nintendo's Stock Data...
It's the highest it's been since Nintendo went public in 1991.  Scratch that - it's the highest it's ever been.  If Nintendo fanboys ever put their money where their mouth is...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 20, 2007, 11:13:38 AM
What do you mean, Nintendo fans are not putting their money where their mouth is? The stock is sh!t hot because every Nintendo fan and their mother's uncle are striping store shelves clean of Nintendo stuff.

Besides, did learn nothing from the 2000/2001 .com crash? You'll never make money on a stock if you don't buy it at a discount. Let's not get derailed into some stock advice thread, though.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 20, 2007, 11:53:52 AM
Well this news doesn't surprise me because I knew the game would be hot but here it is for everyone else.

Twilight Princess surpasses the 4 million mark

According to all the sales data it gets broken down like this.

Wii version - 3.08 million

North America - 1.55 million
Japan - 560,000
Europe - 970,000

Gamecube version - 1.17 million

North America - 850,000
Japan - 40,000
Europe - 280,000

Both versions total - 4.25 million

Here's the lifetime sales for the other Zelda's to surpass 4 million

Ocarina of Time - 7.60 million
Legend of Zelda (Original) - 6.51 million
Link to the Past - 4.61 million
Adventures of Link - 4.38 million
Wind Waker - 4.35 million

So when you see this Twilight Princess will easily surpass Link to the Past, Adventures of Link and Wind Waker this year.  But when you look at the attachment rate and how well the game is selling, the chances are really good that Twilight Princess will actually surpass Ocarina of Time and the Original over the next several years and become the best selling Zelda.

And when the next Zelda for the Wii wont be out until at least 2009, I dont see sales slowing down anytime soon.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: stevey on March 20, 2007, 12:33:50 PM
Quote

Ocarina of Time - 7.60 million
Legend of Zelda (Original) - 6.51 million
Link to the Past - 4.61 million
Adventures of Link - 4.38 million
Wind Waker - 4.35 million


That can't be right, were is Link's Awakening?!?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 20, 2007, 12:56:59 PM
Links Awakening

North America - 2.24 million
Japan - 540,000
Europe - 1.05 million

Total 3.83 million

Links Awakening sold 3.83 million copies worldwide.  I was only posting the Zelda's that have surpassed the 4 million mark which Twilight Princess just did.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 20, 2007, 05:53:22 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
I was only posting the Zelda's that have surpassed the 4 million mark which Twilight Princess just did.

Can you just post the data for all the Zelda games.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 20, 2007, 06:10:09 PM
Quote

If Nintendo fanboys ever put their money where their mouth is...
I think couchmonkey has Nintendo shares. Bastard.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Dryden on March 21, 2007, 02:56:58 AM
Hah hah - I did some more research on Nintendo's American traded stock...
Turns out that the $35.75 price is actually worth an eighth of a Japanese traded share.  Also, Nintendo is prohibitively expensive - the minimum investment is 100 shares.  So market price $35.75 x 8 x 100 = $28,600 minimum investment.  Sooooooo.... good for couchmonkey?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: oohhboy on March 21, 2007, 04:01:51 AM
Pretty good set up if you ask me. Gives the stock price stability and keeps out the speculators. It brings in real investors who are in it for the long run.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 21, 2007, 04:17:54 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1


Can you just post the data for all the Zelda games.


OK, I'll go in the series order to show how popular it's been in it's lifetime.

The Legend of Zelda (Original)

North America - 3.80 million
Japan - 1.69 million
Europe 1.02 million
Total - 6.51 million

Adventures of Link

North America - 2.22 million
Japan - 1.61 million
Europe - 550,000
Total - 4.38 million

Link to the Past

North America - 2.46 million
Japan - 1.16 million
Europe - 990,000
Total 4.61 million

Links Awakening

North America - 2.24 million
Japan - 540,000
Europe - 1.05 million
Total - 3.83 million

Ocarina of Time

North America - 4.08 million
Japan - 1.46 million
Europe - 2.06 million
Total - 7.60 million

Links Awakening DX

North America - 1.02 million
Japan - 510,000
Europe - 690,000
Total - 2.22 million

Majora's Mask

North America - 1.89 million
Japan - 740,000
Europe - 730,000
Total - 3.36 million

Oracle of Ages/Seasons (Both games are counted as one in the sales data)

North America - 1.81 million
Japan - 1.03 million
Europe - 1.15 million
Total - 3.99 million

Link to the Past GBA Version

North America - 1.67 million
Japan - 340,000
Europe - 570,000
Total - 2.58 million

Wind Waker

North America - 2.44 million
Japan - 860,000
Europe - 1.05 million
Total - 4.35 million

Minish Cap

North America - 830,000
Japan - 270,000
Europe - 240,000
Total - 1.34 million

Twilight Princess Wii Version

North America - 1.55 million
Japan - 560,000
Europe - 970,000
Total - 3.08 million

Twilight Princess Gamecube Version

North America - 850,000
Japan - 40,000
Europe - 280,000
Total - 1.17 million

Both version of Twilight Princess Total - 4.25 million


I dont have the numbers for Four Swords Adventures on the Gamecube because VGcharts only lists the sales of games that have sold over 1 million copies.  So that makes Four Swords Adventures the only Zelda to not break the million mark.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 21, 2007, 04:31:29 AM
I'm sort of surprised to see that Adventures of Link sold almost as much as Link to the Past.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 21, 2007, 05:16:26 AM
Well considering how popular the original was back in the day, it's not too surprising.  Back then there wasn't much for videogame media and so most people bought games without really knowing what they were about.  Most of the people that bought it probobly thought it would be like the original only to be surprised when they started playing for the first time.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on March 21, 2007, 05:32:48 AM
The Gamecube version of Twilight Princess alone actually outsold Minish Cap in North America.  That's pretty neat.

The difference between the North American and Japanese sales of Wind Waker is pretty big.  Funny considering that the general assumption at the time was that Japan would be more accepting of the graphics style.

Zelda hasn't broken a million in Japan since Ocarina of Time (Oracle of Ages/Seasons shouldn't count since it's two games and logically neither one broke a mil).  Nintendo was right about gamer drift over there.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 21, 2007, 07:10:42 AM
Before the rest of the Zelda series as we know it existed, The Adventure of Link wasn't a "travesty" or even the odd one out.  It was 50% of the series.  I don't recall ever encountering bad opinions of it until the World Wide Whine took off while I was in college.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: stevey on March 21, 2007, 07:36:28 AM
You forgot to add Dx and four swords to their total, so their real sale numbers are

Ocarina of Time - 7.60 million
A Link to the Past - 7.19 million
Legend of Zelda - 6.51 million
Link's Awakening - 6.05 million
Adventure of link - 4.38 million

and loz, lttp, and oot all should be higher still due to the VC...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 21, 2007, 09:21:20 AM
Then do we count Animal Crossing sales in the original Zelda (even though you can only get it with AR)?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 09:34:40 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
Before the rest of the Zelda series as we know it existed, The Adventure of Link wasn't a "travesty" or even the odd one out.  It was 50% of the series.  I don't recall ever encountering bad opinions of it until the World Wide Whine took off while I was in college.


Or maybe it was because you couldn't get any other opinions than those around you? Personally I hated (well maybe hated is too extreme, more like severely dissapointed) the game the moment I started playing it back when it was new, it paled in comparison to LoZ and felt rushed out the door. Not to mention there must have been an outcry that you were not aware of or they would have stuck with the same formula instead of going back to the LoZ style in Link to the Past.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 21, 2007, 09:56:00 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Or maybe it was because you couldn't get any other opinions than those around you? Personally I hated the game the moment I started playing it back when it was new, it paled in comparison to LoZ and felt rushed out the door. Not to mention there must have been an outcry that you were not aware of or they would have stuck with the same formula instead of going back to the LoZ style in Link to the Past.

Back before we had the Internet to tell us which games to hate, we had to rely on these things called magazines.  They were chiseled in stone and really hard to carry around, but they were good enough to get a sense of the gamer zeitgeist.  It also does not necessarily have to have been an outcry that led Miyamoto and his team to change things again in the next game.  Miyamoto has demonstrated a penchant for change for change's sake, and sales of Zelda II were not much lower than sales of A Link to the Past, according to Luigi Dude's findings.  I don't believe that many people bought the game before they heard how different it was from either a friend or a stone slab.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on March 21, 2007, 09:59:29 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
You forgot to add Dx and four swords to their total, so their real sale numbers are

Ocarina of Time - 7.60 million
A Link to the Past - 7.19 million
Legend of Zelda - 6.51 million
Link's Awakening - 6.05 million
Adventure of link - 4.38 million

and loz, lttp, and oot all should be higher still due to the VC...


Plus, Zelda 1 & 2 were released on the GBA under the NES Classics label.  So those numbers should also be higher.  I know at least 1 copy of Zelda 2 was purchased.   I for one loved that game and still do to this day.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 10:05:53 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Or maybe it was because you couldn't get any other opinions than those around you? Personally I hated the game the moment I started playing it back when it was new, it paled in comparison to LoZ and felt rushed out the door. Not to mention there must have been an outcry that you were not aware of or they would have stuck with the same formula instead of going back to the LoZ style in Link to the Past.

Back before we had the Internet to tell us which games to hate, we had to rely on these things called magazines.  They were chiseled in stone and really hard to carry around, but they were good enough to get a sense of the gamer zeitgeist.  It also does not necessarily have to have been an outcry that led Miyamoto and his team to change things again in the next game.  Miyamoto has demonstrated a penchant for change for change's sake, and sales of Zelda II were not much lower than sales of A Link to the Past, according to Luigi Dude's findings.  I don't believe that many people bought the game before they heard how different it was from either a friend or a stone slab.


Still back in the NES days people bought games more so based on how "cool" it looked rather than reviews. Yes there were magazines, but people were much more uninformed than they are now (or when the internet started taking hold). Kids, mostly, made more descisions based on how good the game looked from the back of the box, and since LoZ was a popular game then kids instantly got their parents (or at least tried) to pick the game up.

That is another thing that must be taken into consideration as well, back in the NES days gaming was more of  "kid" thing and thus what determined a good or bad game was much more subjective besides the few magazines here and there. Like I said I played Zelda 2 long before the internet came out and hated the game, and I doubt I was the only one, it was just that those opinions were more openly heard through the internet. Not to mention the fact that Zelda 2 was pretty much rushed out the door, I believe it came out within a year of LoZ and was missing many of the key developers of the original, with it in fact being developed by a separate team. I'm not even sure how much involvement MIyamoto had with the game!

Also here is a quote from Miyamoto himself regarding Zelda 2:

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Superplay: The sequel, Zelda II: Adventures of Link was a very different game. Why was this? And why have you never done anything like it again?

Shigeru Miyamoto: It was my idea, but the actual game was developed by another team, different people to those that made the first game. Compared to Legend of Zelda, Zelda II went exactly what we expected... All games I make usually gets better in the development process, since good ideas keep coming, but Zelda II was sort of a failure...

Superplay: So that's why the third game looked like the first one?

Shigeru Miyamoto: Exactly. We actually see A link to the Past as the real sequel to Legend of Zelda. Zelda II was more of a side story about what happened to Link after the events in Legend of Zelda.

 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 21, 2007, 10:25:26 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
Before the rest of the Zelda series as we know it existed, The Adventure of Link wasn't a "travesty" or even the odd one out.  It was 50% of the series.  I don't recall ever encountering bad opinions of it until the World Wide Whine took off while I was in college.
Thank you. You said it better then I wanted to.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 10:28:32 AM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
Before the rest of the Zelda series as we know it existed, The Adventure of Link wasn't a "travesty" or even the odd one out.  It was 50% of the series.  I don't recall ever encountering bad opinions of it until the World Wide Whine took off while I was in college.
Thank you. You said it better then I wanted to.


Too bad that even the creator of Zelda thinks it was sort of a failure as well. I'm sorry but the internet did not create all the bad opinions of the game, it was just that we heard from more people than our friends who probably have similar tastes. Sounds like some of Smash's hermit crabbing going on here!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 21, 2007, 11:55:53 AM
Nah, PB would have to be slinging personal insults at you for it to be crabbin'.

I think Zelda II is just a love/hate kind of game. The game was a yawn for me, but then again, I played it much later and it could be that it just didn't age well, unlike LttP which was still fun years later.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 21, 2007, 12:04:47 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

Too bad that even the creator of Zelda thinks it was sort of a failure as well. I'm sorry but the internet did not create all the bad opinions of the game, it was just that we heard from more people than our friends who probably have similar tastes. Sounds like some of Smash's hermit crabbing going on here!
And despite being "sort of" a failure, it sells 4.38 million in a day and age when you could return a game just for sucking.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 21, 2007, 12:26:45 PM
You know what I think is funny about the whole thing?  Out of all the 2D Zelda's , Zelda 2 is the one I think that has the most in common in it's own way with the 3D incarnations.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 01:46:48 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

Too bad that even the creator of Zelda thinks it was sort of a failure as well. I'm sorry but the internet did not create all the bad opinions of the game, it was just that we heard from more people than our friends who probably have similar tastes. Sounds like some of Smash's hermit crabbing going on here!
And despite being "sort of" a failure, it sells 4.38 million in a day and age when you could return a game just for sucking.


Not sure where you could return it, I sure never experienced that. Regardless it was still mainly kids who got games for their birthdays, and probably had no intention of returning it regardless of quality. It is quite funny how you completely ignore the fact that the creator of the series said it was sort of a failure, and instead rant and rave about how the internet community is what started Zelda 2 hate. If the creator himself is dissapointed with how it turned out, that should tell you that much of the hate is probably warranted. Not to mention the fact that it was more of a side game, and not meant to be a true Zelda game being developed by a totally different team and released within a year. Not to mention the last time I checked sales do not indicate quality "The Matrix" video game anyone?  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 01:55:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
You know what I think is funny about the whole thing?  Out of all the 2D Zelda's , Zelda 2 is the one I think that has the most in common in it's own way with the 3D incarnations.


How so? I know some elements from Zelda 2 were used again, but the game shares little to no resemblance to the 3D Zeldas. For one it had lives, two it was a RPG/adventure/platformer hybrid with almost RPGish battle scenes (the mini levels when you encounter an enemy), you also could level up, and more importantly it could not decide what exactly it wanted to be by switching between overworld and side scrolling sections. The game felt like an unpolished mess that could have benefitted greatly by 3 things:

1. Actually having Miyamoto and the lead designers work on it instead of some side team
2. More time in development
3. More of a focus or direction

If there is a game that shares the most resemblence to the 3D games it was LTTP which incorporated a much wider area to explore, consistent design choices, inclusion of two different worlds, emphasizing using weapons found in dungeon to fight bosses, puzzle designs, amongst other things.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on March 21, 2007, 05:00:11 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
Before the rest of the Zelda series as we know it existed, The Adventure of Link wasn't a "travesty" or even the odd one out.  It was 50% of the series.  I don't recall ever encountering bad opinions of it until the World Wide Whine took off while I was in college.
Thank you. You said it better then I wanted to.


Too bad that even the creator of Zelda thinks it was sort of a failure as well. I'm sorry but the internet did not create all the bad opinions of the game, it was just that we heard from more people than our friends who probably have similar tastes. Sounds like some of Smash's hermit crabbing going on here!


This is Nintendo.  Didn't Miyamoto say Mario was a failure at some point because Tomagachi did better?  The game sold less then the first Zelda so of course that is what the creator will say.  
I think it gets so much hate because it is different from the many Zelda games that have since came out, especially for newer Zelda players that went back to play it.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 21, 2007, 05:25:37 PM
Media Create March 12th - 18th

Software
01. (DS, Nintendo) Yoshi's Island DS - 131,843 / 434,958
02. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS - 71,701 / NEW
03. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 64,368 / 1,000,599
04. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 38,560 / 1,204,234
05. (PS2, Koei) Kin-iro no Corda 2 - 34,585 / NEW
06. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village - 31,371 / 297,388
07. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 30,416 / 1,033,044
08. (DS, Konami) Tokimeki Memorial: Girl's Side 1st Love - 29,033 / NEW
09. (DS, Banpresto) Super Robot Wars W - 25,139 / 200,759
10. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 22,462 / 1,250,726

11. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age
12. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros.
13. (DS, EA) SimCity DS
14. (PS3, Bandai-Namco) Gundam Musou - 16,000 / 218,000
15. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
16. (DS, Konami) Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: World Championship 2007
17. (PS2, Spike) Kenka Bancho 2: Full Throttle
18. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS - 14,000 / 2,150,000
19. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training - 13,000 / 1,286,000
20. (DS, Nintendo) English Training - 12,000 / 1,840,000
21. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
22. (Wii, Sega) Sonic and the Secret Rings - 11,000 / 11,000
23. (DS, Konami) Survival Kids: Lost in Blue 2
24. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2
25. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS - 9,300 / 223,000
26. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
27. (DS, EA) Theme Park DS
28. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
29. (Wii, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
30. (DS, Sega) Doraemon's New Magic World Adventure DS

31. (DS, Square-Enix) Seiken Densetsu: Heroes of Mana - 7,800 / 24,000
32. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
33. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
34. (DS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
35. (Wii, Nintendo) Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn - 7,000 / 110,000
36. (DS, Spike) IQ Supply
37. (DS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
38. (DS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo! - 6,500 / 135,000
39. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
40. (PS2, Capcom) History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi: Fight the 8 Fists of Ragnarok!
41. (Wii, Koei) G1 Jockey Wii
42. (DS, Konami) Konami Arcade Collection
43. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
44. (DS, Nintendo) Cooking Navi
45. (DS, Nintendo) Tetris DS
46. (DS, Sega) Love+Berry - 5,800 / 916,000
47. (DS, Spike) Spinning Princess: Sparkling Figure * Ice Angel - 5,400 / 5,400
48. (Wii, Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 5,300 / 420,000
49. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
50. (DS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad

68. (DS, SquarEnix) Final Fantasy III - 2,600 / 1,005,000

DS - 38
Wii - 7
PS2 - 3
PSP - 1
PS3 - 1

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. DS - 121,630 | 108,631 | 1,719,595 | 15,725,274
2. Wii - 67,070 | 44,495 | 915,139 | 1,834,782
3. PSP - 43,769 | 56,175 | 603,928 | 5,136,057
4. PS3 - 21,635 | 32,115 | 316,475 | 774,033
5. PS2 - 13,321 | 14,585 | 223,953 | 20,378,812
6. 360 - 2,910 | 3,333 | 71,632 | 336,334
7. GBA - 1,293 | 1,504 | 26,911 | 15,324,990
8. GC - 367 | 240 | 5,039 | 4,174,507
 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on March 21, 2007, 05:33:43 PM
For being a port, Monster Hunter Portable 2 sure has some legs. Amazing to see the Nintendo domination once again this week, though, with 26/30.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 21, 2007, 06:35:27 PM
Nintendomination!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 21, 2007, 06:35:43 PM
Would you look at that... 5 DS Third party games in the top 10!

~Carmine "Cai" M.R ed
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 07:04:13 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
Before the rest of the Zelda series as we know it existed, The Adventure of Link wasn't a "travesty" or even the odd one out.  It was 50% of the series.  I don't recall ever encountering bad opinions of it until the World Wide Whine took off while I was in college.
Thank you. You said it better then I wanted to.


Too bad that even the creator of Zelda thinks it was sort of a failure as well. I'm sorry but the internet did not create all the bad opinions of the game, it was just that we heard from more people than our friends who probably have similar tastes. Sounds like some of Smash's hermit crabbing going on here!


This is Nintendo.  Didn't Miyamoto say Mario was a failure at some point because Tomagachi did better?  The game sold less then the first Zelda so of course that is what the creator will say.  
I think it gets so much hate because it is different from the many Zelda games that have since came out, especially for newer Zelda players that went back to play it.


Or perhaps it is because the game was rushed out the door, was more of an after, made by a completely separate team (missing key members), was not directed by MIyamoto, dissapointed Miyamoto (It was not because of sales, if you read his exact quote he said most games get better through development but Zelda 2 didn't and that is why he considers it a failure).

I'm sorry but people didn't just dislike the game because it was "different", instead there were and are legitamate concerns expressed by not only those who played it but Miyamoto himself, that should tell you that this crap about "internet caused the game to get bad publicity" is just that, crap. So you enjoy the game, fine, great for you. But realize that there are legitimate reasons and yes VALID arguments as to why the game was not up to Nintendo's normal standards, it wasn't the internet. Anyone with an open mind can see that are a myriad of reasons why the game was poorly regarded. There is absolutely no basis for this argument that people only disliked Zelda 2 because it "different", unless you mean different, as in QUALITY. In fact, I would love to see some proof that Zelda 2 was highly cherished by most gamers of that time instead of circumstantial evidence and that the big mean internet is what made it look bad (just like the big mean internet did to Kid Icarus. OH WAIT now that I think about it the internet helped propel Kid Icarus, further into classic status). I provided my own proof that the design process itself is suspect, and the creator himself was dissapointed

I would really like to see that supposed quote from Miyamoto about Mario, even if it is true I'm sure he is specifying sales NOT THE GAME ITSELF. As was shown here, sales were relatively high but still Miyamoto was  dissapointed with the direction (which is understandable because he had little to do with the game, and it was created more as a quick spin off by a new team to capitalize on LoZ popularity) that he dumped it almost completely and went back to a design similar to LoZ, that should tell you something.

This is one thing I do not like, just because you may like a game does not mean that those who dislike it aren't holding that viewpoint only because it is "different". Sure, at times that may be true, and perhaps other more popular games people detract from it to stand out, but many times there are legitimate design choices that make it ::GASP:: an average or sub par game for many gamers. I think Zelda 2 falls under this category, the hate didn't develop because people were being big meanies, but they had legitimate gripes about how the game turned out like I did. It wasn't because it was different, but it felt for alot of us to be unpolished, rushed, and yes like it didn't hold the "Magic" of the other Zelda games.

I felt it didn't have this magic LONG before I knew Miyamoto had little to do with it, now it makes even more sense coupled with the fact it was made by a new design team with key members excluded and was on a tight deadline. But hey if you like it, great, even the most average games may find some love from people (And I've experienced the same), but don't discount all those that dislike it as internet created Zelda 2 haters who don't like "different" games, because that is absurb and frankly false. You'd have to be closed minded to not realize how scattershot the design was in the game, it didn't seem to know what it wanted to be and more of an experiment. Yeah some of the sidescrolling sections were fun, but they were also overly simple with little in the way of puzzles and relied more on hack n slash. If I were to give a review score to the game it would be 5/10, it is dead average, not really excelling at anything with some noticeable design flaws.

Let me quote what he said exactly to put to bed that he was regarding sales

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All games I make usually gets better in the development process, since good ideas keep coming, but Zelda II was sort of a failure...


Surprise nothing about sales making it a "failure" it was the development process and good ideas emerging that ended up being a failure.    
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 21, 2007, 08:13:52 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
This is Nintendo.  Didn't Miyamoto say Mario was a failure at some point because Tomagachi did better?  The game sold less then the first Zelda so of course that is what the creator will say.  
I think it gets so much hate because it is different from the many Zelda games that have since came out, especially for newer Zelda players that went back to play it.
Nah... GP just has a passionate hatred against Zelda II. Let him seethe. Further debate is just going turn ugly.

Edit: Oh geez did it ever...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on March 21, 2007, 08:36:17 PM
AoL has lots of flaws and isn't very fun to play but most of the flaws were staple design patterns at the time (Metroid, for example, exhibits many of the same flaws including repetitive rooms and awful respawn rules). I didn't like it much but it's not some super-crappy game, it's par for the time it was released in.

I think a better game with roughly similar design is Gargoyle's Quest on the GB, it, too, has an overworld with random encounters, towns and dungeons but the dungeon parts are on par with good jump and runs, unlike AoL's pretty weak sidescrolling parts.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 08:51:09 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
This is Nintendo.  Didn't Miyamoto say Mario was a failure at some point because Tomagachi did better?  The game sold less then the first Zelda so of course that is what the creator will say.  
I think it gets so much hate because it is different from the many Zelda games that have since came out, especially for newer Zelda players that went back to play it.
Nah... GP just has a passionate hatred against Zelda II. Let him seethe. Further debate is just going turn ugly.

Edit: Oh geez did it ever...


Obviously you read nothing I said, I don't really "hate" the game but I think it is ridiculous to say people don't like because of the internet or because it is different. BTW I am not a "he" so that is 2 strikes against you.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 21, 2007, 08:56:20 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k

AoL has lots of flaws and isn't very fun to play but most of the flaws were staple design patterns at the time (Metroid, for example, exhibits many of the same flaws including repetitive rooms and awful respawn rules). I didn't like it much but it's not some super-crappy game, it's par for the time it was released in.
While i'd debate the "isn't very fun to play" part, but I'll certainly concede that there are better Zelda's. The ending is certainly weak and nothing to write home about, but then neither was LoZ's either. It's kind of a critical game though, I mean, it's where we find out about the triforce of courage. You can't very well have many of the other Zelda's without introducing the triforce of courage first.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 21, 2007, 09:01:56 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k

AoL has lots of flaws and isn't very fun to play but most of the flaws were staple design patterns at the time (Metroid, for example, exhibits many of the same flaws including repetitive rooms and awful respawn rules). I didn't like it much but it's not some super-crappy game, it's par for the time it was released in.
While i'd debate the "isn't very fun to play" part, but I'll certainly concede that there are better Zelda's. The ending is certainly weak and nothing to write home about, but then neither was LoZ's either. It's kind of a critical game though, I mean, it's where we find out about the triforce of courage. You can't very well have many of the other Zelda's without introducing the triforce of courage first.


Probably the best part of Zelda 2 was that it had one of the best "Game over" screens of a Zelda game. You felt like you truly failed when Ganon is brought back to life. BTW I don't think Metroid 1 has aged very well either, but at least it felt consistent in design, that it knew what it wanted to be.

P.S. I am still getting Zelda 2 when it comes out on VC because I want the complete Zelda collection.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 21, 2007, 09:45:34 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Probably the best part of Zelda 2 was that it had one of the best "Game over" screens of a Zelda game. You felt like you truly failed when Ganon is brought back to life.
The thing I find really interesting though is that if you finish the game, defeat your shadow, and save Zelda ... It logically follows that Gannon was never brought back to life. So where does Gannon in Link to the Past come from? I've always just said, well it's an alternate Hyrule and not the same as in LoZ or Zelda II. But many of the other Zelda's have connections to other Zelda's even if they are indirect and/or conflicted mostly. So why wouldn't Zelda II and LttP have a connection? (I like trying to piece together the Zelda time line(s))

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BTW I don't think Metroid 1 has aged very well either, but at least it felt consistent in design, that it knew what it wanted to be.
Who says it necessarily has to be consistent? I specifically like Zelda II because it is different. Not that I think LttP is boring or run again or that I think leveling up or lives and 1-up's are necessarily a good idea for Zelda... But I like when I can play with Nintendo characters in new ways.

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P.S. I am still getting Zelda 2 when it comes out on VC because I want the complete Zelda collection.
You can also probably find it pretty cheap now on GBA "NES Classics". I've actually got two copies of it, first one I bought used for $8 and the second I bought new for $10 when I found it on the shelf at Wal-mart.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 22, 2007, 03:35:32 AM
I respect your opinion, GoldenPhoenix.  I believe you don't like Zelda II and that you have reasons for that.  I really like it and have reasons for that (and I even have some criticism for it).

I also think a lot of the dislike expressed for it on the internets is overblown because it's a Zelda game.  You just don't see this kind of debate -- as passionate or as often -- over games like, say, The Magic of Scheherazade.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: utarefsoN on March 22, 2007, 04:26:07 AM
Zelda 2 was the bomb! I dont recall anything wrong with it other than it took me over a year to figure out how to finish Ganons castle. That was a biotch. Game rocked though.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on March 22, 2007, 04:44:58 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
The thing I find really interesting though is that if you finish the game, defeat your shadow, and save Zelda ... It logically follows that Gannon was never brought back to life. So where does Gannon in Link to the Past come from? I've always just said, well it's an alternate Hyrule and not the same as in LoZ or Zelda II. But many of the other Zelda's have connections to other Zelda's even if they are indirect and/or conflicted mostly. So why wouldn't Zelda II and LttP have a connection? (I like trying to piece together the Zelda time line(s)


I think it's pretty accepted that Zelda 1 and 2 are the last games in the timeline.  It's debatable but I'm pretty sure the closest thing we have to a logical timeline is OOT, MM, TP,WW,ALTTP,LA,LOZ,AOL.  Yes I'm aware about the Oracle games and the other, newer 2d games released, but I don't really give a crap where they fit in.  :-P  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 22, 2007, 04:58:36 AM
Don't.

Do not try to put the Zelda games in a timeline. It just...doesn't work.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Maverick on March 22, 2007, 05:04:09 AM
Hey, I know it doesn't really make sense, if you look at the details.  But I like to have some sort of connection between them, making each adventure part of a larger story.  But yeah, the developers don't really care about connecting them directly, at all.  (Except of course the direct sequels.)
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ryancoke on March 22, 2007, 06:12:09 AM
I think almost all if not all the Zelda games exist in Hyrule Kingdom.  In Each game, Hyrule Kingdom has a totally different layout and history.  You can't put the games in a timeline because there is no correlation between them other than using common elements or themes.  The way I look at it is that all Zelda games exist in different dimentions from each other where some things are the same but the majority of elements are different.  Kinda like that movies "The One" with Jet Li. The Zelda games exist in a "multiverse".
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 22, 2007, 06:21:43 AM
You could almost say each Zelda is a "Final Fantasy"  .....almost.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on March 22, 2007, 06:26:18 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The difference between the North American and Japanese sales of Wind Waker is pretty big.  Funny considering that the general assumption at the time was that Japan would be more accepting of the graphics style.
This was from like 30 posts ago, but I just can't let it go by without commenting.

Did you look at the percentages rather than the actual numbers?  Here are the percentages of total sales that came from Japan for the 3-D Zeldas.

20% - Ocarina of Time
22% - Majora's Mask
20% - Wind Waker
14% - Twilight Princess

Japan's sales for Wind Waker are right in line with the previous games.  You have to remember that Japan has a much smaller population than America.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 09:00:23 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: ryancoke
I think almost all if not all the Zelda games exist in Hyrule Kingdom.  In Each game, Hyrule Kingdom has a totally different layout and history.  You can't put the games in a timeline because there is no correlation between them other than using common elements or themes.  The way I look at it is that all Zelda games exist in different dimentions from each other where some things are the same but the majority of elements are different.  Kinda like that movies "The One" with Jet Li. The Zelda games exist in a "multiverse".


I still wonder about this supposed document Miyamoto brings up every now and then that supposedly has the complete story. My guess is that some of the Zelda's take place after the OOT time split (I believe this was confirmed that TP takes place in an alternate future and Wind Waker in another).
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 09:03:53 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: PartyBear
I respect your opinion, GoldenPhoenix.  I believe you don't like Zelda II and that you have reasons for that.  I really like it and have reasons for that (and I even have some criticism for it).

I also think a lot of the dislike expressed for it on the internets is overblown because it's a Zelda game.  You just don't see this kind of debate -- as passionate or as often -- over games like, say, The Magic of Scheherazade.


Wait, what is this Magic of Scheherazade, I may want to beat it up.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MANTI5 on March 22, 2007, 09:33:41 AM
Aonuma said in Nintendo Powee that TP takes place several years after OOT, don't have the issue handy to quote the exact number of years.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 22, 2007, 09:39:20 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Quote

Originally posted by: ryancoke
I think almost all if not all the Zelda games exist in Hyrule Kingdom.  In Each game, Hyrule Kingdom has a totally different layout and history.  You can't put the games in a timeline because there is no correlation between them other than using common elements or themes.  The way I look at it is that all Zelda games exist in different dimentions from each other where some things are the same but the majority of elements are different.  Kinda like that movies "The One" with Jet Li. The Zelda games exist in a "multiverse".


I still wonder about this supposed document Miyamoto brings up every now and then that supposedly has the complete story. My guess is that some of the Zelda's take place after the OOT time split (I believe this was confirmed that TP takes place in an alternate future and Wind Waker in another).


I confirmed it, thank you, Japan hates Zelda.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 22, 2007, 10:38:45 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: MANTI5
Aonuma said in Nintendo Powee that TP takes place several years after OOT, don't have the issue handy to quote the exact number of years.
Speaking of all this Zelda talk... Does anyone know yet, what version of OoT the Virtual Console OoT is? Is it the sanatized version where Gannondorf cough up green blood? Is the mirror shield bare? Does the desert temple play the original tune?

Or is it the original gold cart version?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 22, 2007, 10:44:40 AM
Let me beat the game in 6 hours and tell you...

WAIT, I DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on March 22, 2007, 11:17:41 AM
"I still wonder about this supposed document Miyamoto brings up every now and then that supposedly has the complete story."

There's no way such a document exists.  The timeline is so full of inconsistencies that they have to be making it up as they go.  If Nintendo had a grand plan for Zelda do you think they would allow completely illogical stuff like Death Mountain, Kakariko Village and Lake Hylia hopping 'n' skipping to different locations of the map in different games?  Would they allow the Capcom Zeldas to have all sorts of characters and references from the other games just showing up whereever?  What about the difference in appearance of Zoras?  Or the super sped up evolution in Wind Waker, let alone the world destroying flood that seems to have no effect on games in the later timeline?

If Nintendo had a full timeline planned out ahead of time I figure it only covered the first six games or so and they've since be making it up as they go.  After all they couldn't really plan how many Zelda games they would want to make and I imagine they don't have a firm date where the series will end.  It's too much of a cash cow to put a cap on it like that.  Plus having a firm document to follow gives them less flexibility so they likely wouldn't be able to completely change styles between two games on the same console like they did on the Cube.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2007, 11:50:45 AM
This talk about some sort of "Official" Zelda timeline is all well and good, but the fact is that it ISN'T Zelda. Zelda's not about this sort of thing at all. It's a great topic and a great curiousity, but... Zelda is NOT a continuous story, it's the same archetypal, mythical, essential tale of epic adventure re-imagined and re-lived down through the ages. It's timeless destiny, it's simple heroism, and it's above all this.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 22, 2007, 02:32:28 PM
Pretty much.  I like Zelda being one all encompassing game with each release.  I find that whenever it attempts to reference any past games in attempts of a more cohesive story, the individual game suffers a little.  Not that little references aren't to its detriment, in fact I adore them, notably the subtle musical references.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 22, 2007, 05:00:16 PM
Media Create March 12th - 18th (the rest of it)

Software:
31. (DS, Square-Enix) Seiken Densetsu: Heroes of Mana
32. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
33. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
34. (DS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
35. (Wii, Nintendo) Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn
36. (DS, Spike) IQ Supply
37. (DS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
38. (DS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
39. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
40. (PS2, Capcom) History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi: Fight the 8 Fists of Ragnarok!
41. (Wii, Koei) G1 Jockey Wii
42. (DS, Konami) Konami Arcade Collection
43. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
44. (DS, Nintendo) Cooking Navi
45. (DS, Nintendo) Tetris DS
46. (DS, Sega) Love+Berry
47. (DS, Spike) Spinning Princess: Sparkling Figure * Ice Angel
48. (Wii, Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
49. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
50. (DS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad

DS - 16
Wii - 3
PS2 - 1



Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. DS - 121,630 | 108,631 | 1,719,595 | 15,725,274
2. Wii - 67,070 | 44,495 | 915,139 | 1,834,782
3. PSP - 43,769 | 56,175 | 603,928 | 5,136,057
4. PS3 - 21,635 | 32,115 | 316,475 | 774,033
5. PS2 - 13,321 | 14,585 | 223,953 | 20,378,812
6. 360 - 2,910 | 3,333 | 71,632 | 336,334
7. GBA - 1,293 | 1,504 | 26,911 | 15,324,990
8. GC - 367 | 240 | 5,039 | 4,174,507
 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on March 22, 2007, 05:51:13 PM
Wow,  45 of the Top 50 games are on Nintendo hardware. Not that i'm complaining, but that's still friggin crazy....
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2007, 05:56:00 PM
But how are third parties doing?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on March 22, 2007, 06:20:51 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
Wow,  45 of the Top 50 games are on Nintendo hardware.


Is that a record?

Also, great to see the Wii go up in sales while the PS3 and 360 go down in the same frame.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 22, 2007, 07:21:53 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Kairon
But how are third parties doing?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com


Looks like third parties are doing fine on DS which is a hopeful indication of how they'll do on Wii when more quality titles come from them!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on March 22, 2007, 07:41:31 PM
Oy, the DS outsold the GBA in LTD, didn't notice that before.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 23, 2007, 04:07:29 AM
You know I wouldn't mind playing another Zelda done like 2.
Also, to answer how Ganon could get resurrected couldn't they just wait until Link died of "Natural" causes it might take 50 years longer but it still work.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2007, 04:35:58 AM
You know I wouldn't mind playing another Zelda done like 2.

Me neither although I'd prefer if the sidescrolling gameplay was like the sidescrolling in Link's Awakening or Four Swords Adventures instead of Adventure of Link.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on March 23, 2007, 05:31:02 AM
"Is that a record?"

Well I imagine around 1987 or so it wouldn't be uncommon for games on the NES to take up the entire top 50.

"You know I wouldn't mind playing another Zelda done like 2."

I think the concept has some potential with better technology.  A lot of what I dislike about Zelda II are things I dislike about most NES games.  The game is made harder because of the limiting design.  Poor translation makes it harder to figure out what to do.  Enemies are harder because Link's sword is about as long as a fork.  It's like how I hate Metroid but love Super Metroid.  The extra little bit of polish that the 16-bit era added made the series more enjoyable.  Zelda II's formula would benefit from a dose of user-friendliness that just wasn't common in the 8-bit era.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2007, 07:26:05 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Media Create March 12th - 18th

Software
01. (DS, Nintendo) Yoshi's Island DS - 131,843 / 434,958
02. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS - 71,701 / NEW
03. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 64,368 / 1,000,599
04. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 38,560 / 1,204,234
05. (PS2, Koei) Kin-iro no Corda 2 - 34,585 / NEW
06. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village - 31,371 / 297,388
07. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 30,416 / 1,033,044
08. (DS, Konami) Tokimeki Memorial: Girl's Side 1st Love - 29,033 / NEW
09. (DS, Banpresto) Super Robot Wars W - 25,139 / 200,759
10. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker - 22,462 / 1,250,726

11. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age
12. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros.
13. (DS, EA) SimCity DS
14. (PS3, Bandai-Namco) Gundam Musou - 16,000 / 218,000
15. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
16. (DS, Konami) Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: World Championship 2007
17. (PS2, Spike) Kenka Bancho 2: Full Throttle
18. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS - 14,000 / 2,150,000
19. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training - 13,000 / 1,286,000
20. (DS, Nintendo) English Training - 12,000 / 1,840,000
21. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
22. (Wii, Sega) Sonic and the Secret Rings - 11,000 / 11,000
23. (DS, Konami) Survival Kids: Lost in Blue 2
24. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2
25. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS - 9,300 / 223,000
26. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
27. (DS, EA) Theme Park DS
28. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
29. (Wii, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
30. (DS, Sega) Doraemon's New Magic World Adventure DS

31. (DS, Square-Enix) Seiken Densetsu: Heroes of Mana - 7,800 / 24,000
32. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
33. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
34. (DS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
35. (Wii, Nintendo) Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn - 7,000 / 110,000
36. (DS, Spike) IQ Supply
37. (DS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test
38. (DS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo! - 6,500 / 135,000
39. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
40. (PS2, Capcom) History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi: Fight the 8 Fists of Ragnarok!
41. (Wii, Koei) G1 Jockey Wii
42. (DS, Konami) Konami Arcade Collection
43. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
44. (DS, Nintendo) Cooking Navi
45. (DS, Nintendo) Tetris DS
46. (DS, Sega) Love+Berry - 5,800 / 916,000
47. (DS, Spike) Spinning Princess: Sparkling Figure * Ice Angel - 5,400 / 5,400
48. (Wii, Nintendo) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 5,300 / 420,000
49. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Heisei Board of Education DS
50. (DS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad

68. (DS, SquarEnix) Final Fantasy III - 2,600 / 1,005,000

DS - 38
Wii - 7
PS2 - 3
PSP - 1
PS3 - 1

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. DS - 121,630 | 108,631 | 1,719,595 | 15,725,274
2. Wii - 67,070 | 44,495 | 915,139 | 1,834,782
3. PSP - 43,769 | 56,175 | 603,928 | 5,136,057
4. PS3 - 21,635 | 32,115 | 316,475 | 774,033
5. PS2 - 13,321 | 14,585 | 223,953 | 20,378,812
6. 360 - 2,910 | 3,333 | 71,632 | 336,334
7. GBA - 1,293 | 1,504 | 26,911 | 15,324,990
8. GC - 367 | 240 | 5,039 | 4,174,507

That is this weeks #'s as about as complete as they are gonna get.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 23, 2007, 07:42:00 AM
The worldwide software sales:
Nintendo Wii

North America:
1. Wii Play (Nintendo)
2. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 (EA Sports)
3. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
4. WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
5. Cooking Mama: Cook Off (Majesco)

Japan:
1. Wii Sports (Nintendo)
2. Hajimete no Wii (Nintendo)
3. Zelda no Densetsu: Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
4. Sonic to Himitsu no Ring (Sega)
5. Fire Emblem: Akatsuki no Megami (Nintendo)

UK:
1. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 (EA Sports)
2. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
3. The Godfather: Blackhand Edition (EA Games)
4. Sonic and the Secret Rings (Sega)
5. WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Nintendo)

Nintendo DS

North America:
1. New Super Mario Bros(Nintendo)
2. Brain Age (Nintendo)
3. Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
4. Diddy Kong Racing DS (Nintendo)
5. Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords (D3 Publisher)

Japan:
1. Tokimeki Memorial: Girl’s Side 1st Love (Konami)
2. Kotoba no Puzzle: Mojipittan DS (Namco)
3. Layton Kyouju no Fushigi na Machi (Level 5)
4. Nazotte Oboeru Otona no Kanji Renshuu (NCS)
5. Negima!? Chou Mahora Taisen Chuu: Check-In Zenin Shuugou! Yappari Onsen Kichaimashitaa (Marvelous)

UK:
1. Dr. Kawashima’s Brain Training (Nintendo)
2. 42 All-Time Classics (Nintendo)
3. New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
4. Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo)
5. Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)

I am glad that both Wii Play and Tiger Woods are selling very well. This should bode well for EA's support and Nintendo's Wii series.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 23, 2007, 07:59:53 AM
It's confirmed that UK is for the Harder of Core.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 23, 2007, 08:09:54 AM
Pap, where the hell did you get those numbers?!

I can't find charts like that which are up to date this soon...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on March 23, 2007, 08:24:06 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Pap, where the hell did you get those numbers?!
Do you really have to ask?  Where does Pap get the rest of his news from?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2007, 08:39:56 AM
It's non-news, and of course, there's no numbers.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 23, 2007, 08:43:28 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: vudu Do you really have to ask?  Where does Pap get the rest of his news from?


Actually, yes.

But Pro's right: no numbers = teh suck.

Tiger selling 2nd is good news, but without numbers, we don't know HOW good of news it is.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 23, 2007, 08:45:17 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: vudu
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Pap, where the hell did you get those numbers?!
Do you really have to ask?  Where does Pap get the rest of his news from?


And they got it from here.

I posted it because I was more than happy to see Wii Play and Tiger Woods doing so well. Cooking Mama is doing good too!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 23, 2007, 06:18:58 PM
Better than Mama!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 24, 2007, 09:43:27 AM
"And after you beat the game, you get to have SEX with mama!"

"Uhh, I don't think it's that kind of game, dude..."
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 24, 2007, 10:14:36 AM
Quote

Cooking Mama is a five-course meal!

~Hannibal Lecter


~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 24, 2007, 01:07:23 PM
...Was it something I said?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 25, 2007, 01:37:38 AM
lol at Kairon and his cannibal humor. =D
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 25, 2007, 03:23:56 AM
Look at your Circuit City ad or circuitcity.com - they're STILL handing out vouchers for Wii an hour before opening.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlkPaladin on March 25, 2007, 06:15:14 PM
Yeah its on Sunday so I think it's next Sunday they will be handing out the tickets.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Taija-Herbal on March 26, 2007, 07:05:03 AM
 http://play.tm/story/9925

Came across this article.... Seems like the sales of the Wii is beating even Nintendo's forecast, looking like it's gonna top 360 this year after all..................................
Over 6 mil in bout 4 months globally .. impressive.. Now where are those third party xclusives...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2007, 07:35:59 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Taija-Herbal
http://play.tm/story/9925

Came across this article.... Seems like the sales of the Wii is beating even Nintendo's forecast, looking like it's gonna top 360 this year after all..................................
Over 6 mil in bout 4 months globally .. impressive.. Now where are those third party xclusives...

Just so you know, that site is sourceing VGCharts.com and not Nintendo. VGCharts is far from official and is run independently by two number hording NeoGAF forum users. They are alot more reliable than nextgenwars.com, but it is still unkown how they come up with alot of their newer #'s.

We know that they have access to the Famitsu & Media Create charts (like the ones posted here) and they also have access to the NPD charts (which have recently been put on lockdown), but it is also know that they do a lot of extrapolating of their own since none of thier #'s match any of the official sources listed above. *sometimes their #'s change after offical #'s are released*

In other words, VGCharts is a good source of finding very unofficial #'s for discussion purposes, but don't take anything from that site as definative unless confirmed by an official source.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 26, 2007, 07:44:28 AM
Yeah, Nextgenwars and VGCharts disagree pretty heavily in their numbers, with NGW citing the 360 as being over 10 million and the PS3 and Wii showing at roughly a million less while VGC lists the 360 at a million less while placing the PS3 and Wii a million higher.

That's a noteworthy deviation in figures.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ryancoke on March 26, 2007, 08:19:41 AM
Where do these sites even get their info from. I wish that Sony/MS/Nintendo would release their own official umbers more often.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 26, 2007, 11:11:15 AM
What they do is add up the numbers from all the sales data they can find from different sources like NPD and Media Create and then make some estimations.  Even though they're not 100% accurate, they do give us the general idea of how the different systems and games are doing.

Which is better then having no info at all.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KnowsNothing on March 26, 2007, 02:54:05 PM
I disagree.  I think the entire world would be a better place if sales data was never publicly released.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 26, 2007, 03:36:28 PM
I guess Nintendo reached their goal of 4 million by the end of 2006, and 6 million by the end of the fiscal year.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 26, 2007, 09:03:08 PM
I guess so.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 27, 2007, 04:16:48 AM
I think Nintendo has done well in reaching their goal, and their goal was actually a pretty high expectation.  The fact that they have most likely surpassed it is incredible.  I am sure Nintendo will have a press release sometime in early April announcing how they successfully meet their goals and surpassed them.  

What is more incredible is to begin to imagine how many units Nintendo will sell if they are able to keep this sales rate up for the rest of year or even improve upon it.  The Wii could become like the DS.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2007, 04:27:19 AM
Now... increase production!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on March 27, 2007, 05:37:03 AM
I don't think a major increase in production is an answer.  A minor one sure.  You don't want to risk the dam breaking and flooding the market.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 27, 2007, 07:36:36 AM
Okay... raise production a little!

At their current rate, they're actually doing about 1 mil a month worldwide... would an extra 200,000 monthly worldwide be too little? Maybe an extra 400,000 maybe? Theorycraftgasm!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 27, 2007, 07:57:30 AM
I'd steadily increase production until the Wii can actually stay on store shelves.

Remember, the number of Wiis sold is only going to go up as more games are released for it.

Also, Japan bought PS2s every week as though the system had launched that week. I see the Wii being in the same boat. Even if they overproduce, they're still going to sell out of the stock.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 28, 2007, 07:54:34 AM
All these upgraded ports with Wii controls shoehorned in can only lead to one thing: INDUSTRY CRASH!

We need to start seeing more highest quality games from Nintendo such that people stop buying the 3rd party crap.  Then all the 3rd parties give up and leave and everything will be all right.

Better yet, have a few 3rd parties like Capcom and Konami close up shop or get bought out.

and
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 28, 2007, 08:54:02 AM
I'd rather a 3rd party makes a game which is excellent enough that it outsells a few of Nintendo's franchises so they can then say to the rest of the 3rd parties "See? If you make it not suck, they will come."
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 28, 2007, 09:36:06 AM
Didn't work for GameCube, nice try

NEEEEXXXTTTT
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 28, 2007, 09:48:43 AM
The Gamecube didn't have 10 million consoles sold within its first year of life.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on March 28, 2007, 09:59:15 AM
RE4 was the great white hope.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Taija-Herbal on March 28, 2007, 10:09:28 AM
Kinda unfair gamecube had an image problem, also the lack of good quality games early on meant RE4 came 2 late... by then people seemed to have given up on it anyways... With the wii nintendo seems to be doing everything right, but there are areas that need improving.....
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 28, 2007, 10:39:52 AM
Not to mention that the backstabbers at Capcom announced that RE4 would be ported to PS2 before it even came out on GameCube!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on March 28, 2007, 10:57:10 AM
It's a shame that the Cube titles that had the best potential for selling systems came out so late in the console's life.  RE4 and Twilight Princess both would have been huge had they been released earlier on when the Cube wasn't already stamped as a failure with no future.  In the end neither game even ended up being an exclusive and the effect on Cube sales was non-existent.

The third parties don't need to learn that good games sell better than bad ones.  They don't care anyway since if another console allows them to sell crappy games as well as good games they'll just go there.  Who wants to earn their money when there's an option that provides the same results (or better) with laziness?  If someone was going to pay you the same amount of money to run a marathon or sleep which would you pick?

Third parties need to know that games PERIOD will sell on the Wii be they good or bad.  If the good ones sell better then that can hopefully encourage better games but third parties really just want all of their titles to sell well regardless of whether they deserve to or not.  I want a situation where one makes decent money on crappy games but makes exceptional money on great games.  So no one bails because they have to *gasp* make an effort while at the same time no one purposely slacks off because quality makes no difference.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: AwesomeMan on March 28, 2007, 11:50:07 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Not to mention that the backstabbers at Capcom announced that RE4 would be ported to PS2 before it even came out on GameCube!


Also RE4 wasn't a great game, it was pretty good, but pretty good doesn't sell systems.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 28, 2007, 12:09:44 PM
1000th post!

Here's to many thousands more..
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on March 28, 2007, 12:22:44 PM
AwesomeMan, I am afraid you will need a name change with comments like that.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: AwesomeMan on March 28, 2007, 12:39:35 PM
You know i'm the most awesome AwesomeMan ever to be awesome.

but im serious, i didn't like RE4. it has too restrictive of a view for a game with fastpaced shooting, and the controls weren't great. And Leon takes up atleast 1/4 of the scrreen, way too much to be acceptable making the view worse. I much prefer the original RE games especially RE:CV  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 28, 2007, 01:04:36 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: AwesomeMan
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Not to mention that the backstabbers at Capcom announced that RE4 would be ported to PS2 before it even came out on GameCube!


Also RE4 wasn't a great game, it was pretty good, but pretty good doesn't sell systems.



also it has been proven that great games don't sell systems either.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on March 28, 2007, 01:10:27 PM
Good games bomb on other platforms too. See Okami, Psychonauts, Beyond Good & Evil....
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: AwesomeMan on March 28, 2007, 01:23:55 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim


also it has been proven that great games don't sell systems either.


you are right, kinda. with a great volume of great games systems sell, or you could go the marketing route.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 28, 2007, 04:48:47 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ian Sane I want a situation where one makes decent money on crappy games but makes exceptional money on great games.  So no one bails because they have to *gasp* make an effort while at the same time no one purposely slacks off because quality makes no difference.


That's what the console market leader gets.

The PS2 had all of the games because devs knew that even crap games could sell on it because of the sheer userbase alone, but the big selling titles also sold huge which meant that quality was generally rewarded with higher sales.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 28, 2007, 04:59:04 PM
Media Create March 19th - 25th

Software:
01. (PS2, Koei) Musou Orochi - 406,247 / NEW
02. (DS, Nintendo) Yoshi's Island DS - 100,812 / 535,770
03. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Goku Legend - 65,203 / NEW
04. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS - 64,005 / 135,706

05. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 51,952 / 1,052,550
06. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 46,362 / 1,250,596
07. (DS, Banpresto) Crayon Shin-chan DS: Arashi wo Sakebunutte Crayon Daisakusen! - 38,413 / NEW
08. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village - 37,912 / 335,300

09. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 37,289 / 1,070,334
10. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 25,184 / 4,257,646

11. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker
12. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age
13. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
14. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
15. (DS, Banpresto) Super Robot Wars W
16. (PS2, Sony) Rogue Galaxy: Director's Cut
17. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
18. (DS, Square-Enix) Front Mission 1st
19. (360, From Software) Armored Core 4
20. (DS, Nintendo) English Training
21. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
22. (PS3, Bandai-Namco) Gundam Musou
23. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
24. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Magister Negi Magi
25. (Wii, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
26. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2
27. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
28. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
29. (DS, Sega) Doraemon's New Magic World Adventure DS
30. (DS, Sega) Love+Berry


DS - 22
Wii - 3
PS2 - 2
PSP - 1
PS3 - 1
360 - 1

3rd Party DS titles bolded - 12 of 22 DS title are 3rd party
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2007, 05:56:45 PM
I'm not sure I'd try to sell a game called "Mistake Museum"...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2007, 04:29:18 AM
So Banco is making money hand over fist on the DS.

Where the hell is their Wii support already?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 29, 2007, 04:49:50 AM
Why support Wii when DS is much cheaper to venture with?

AND LOOK AT THAT, THE NATION OF JAPAN HAS UTTERLY DISREGARDED TWILIGHT PRINCESS

LEGEND OF SIDEQUEST, STEP ASIDE.  JAPAN DOESN'T WANT YOUR REHASHED, "SAFE", NON-RISK-TAKING FORMULAIC ADVENTURE.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2007, 05:11:35 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666 LEGEND OF SIDEQUEST, STEP ASIDE.  JAPAN DOESN'T WANT YOUR REHASHED, "SAFE", NON-RISK-TAKING FORMULAIC ADVENTURE.


Actually, if TP truly was "safe", it could be sold as a non-game and would garner millions more sales than this.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 29, 2007, 05:36:40 AM
IN THIS BUSINESS, IF YOU DON'T CHANGE, YOU DIE.

TP SHOULD'VE FOLLOWED A BETTER EXAMPLE: ENTER THE MATRIX
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 29, 2007, 06:00:50 AM
Twilight Princess has sold 560,000 copies in Japan and the Wii has a user base of 2 million in Japan.  That means 1/4 of the people that bought a Wii over there bought Zelda.  People only think Zelda isn't doing well because it's not in the top 30 but what it's been doing is hovering within the 40-50 spot these last several months, where it's pulling in small but steady numbers every week.

In other words, Twilight Princess is popular among the Japanese gamers as well.  Not as popular as in America and Europe, but still popular none the less.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on March 29, 2007, 06:33:40 AM
"So Banco is making money hand over fist on the DS.

Where the hell is their Wii support already?"

Let's travel back in time!

So third party X is making money hand over fist on the GBA.

Where the hell is their Cube support already?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2007, 06:38:54 AM
Again, the Cube didn't sell 10 million units in less than a year's time, was not still impossible to find five months after launch due to insane demand and did not control over 60% of that generation's market in Japan.

3rd party home console support was going to the market leader, the PS2.

It's next gen. The Wii has 60% of Japan already and climbing daily. Where is Banco's Wii support?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 29, 2007, 06:51:57 AM
I utterly despise the combining of two names to create one terrible sounding name.

Where's the support? 3rd parties are still scrambling to find reasons to not support Wii.

3rd Party Rep: It's for... um, kids? Our titles don't attract younger audiences. There are only kids games on Wii.
Interviewer: What about Manhunt 2?
3rd Party Rep: Uh, f*ck you.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2007, 07:55:34 AM
Nandai or Banco. Pick one.

As for devs, it seems that many of the older Japanese dev houses are shunning the Wii (Capcom, Konami) while the newer devs and WESTERN devs seem to love the thing, mainly Ubi and EA.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 29, 2007, 07:58:54 AM
that's because capcom and konami are afraid of change other than prettier graphics...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on March 29, 2007, 08:00:58 AM
I prefer Namdai.  Banco sounds like the place Bloodworth buys his banhammers.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Taija-Herbal on March 29, 2007, 08:05:05 AM
Gonna have to add to that as well, We are reaching the point where more diverse games need to start showing up, a good amount of mature games, complex adventure games, some strong non-kiddy looking third party games. With the kinda sales the wii is pushing, I think it is crucial that the "cool" image is firmly associated with the wii before say xmas 07. We all know that microsoft and sony will soon have no choice but to try and use negative references to hurt the wii, because of the massive sales. It is obvious already that microsoft is feeling threatened judging by some recent comments.

The impression I seem to be getting from people even though the wii is selling, is stuff like "playstation is a big name blah blah blah, sooner or later its gonna start selling, blu-ray blah blah blah". So the wii is popular but it is still shaking off nintendo's gamecube image. We need more diverse games so that any challenge from the 360 or PS3 is killed off early and finally everyone will come to accept that wii is here for the long term so that stupid comments like this ....http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/03292007/11/nintendo_wii_a_fad_ps3_will_win...                       can stop once and for all.........  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 29, 2007, 08:13:42 AM
I want to see Godfather's sales numbers because I suspect that those figures are going to play heavily into how many M games are brought to the Wii after this.

Of course, Manhunt 2 and No More Heroes should also play into it, but those aren't out yet.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 29, 2007, 08:57:26 AM
I dont think the Godfathers sales will have much to do with anything.  All that matters is for the Wii to become the market leader and then we'll have alot of M rated games coming this way.

The whole seeing how well an M rated games sells excuse was just abunch of sh!t that third parties used last gen so they wouldn't have to support the Gamecube.  That's why most of the M rated games were crappy ports of year old games that had no chance of selling in the first place.  Companies never wanted to support the Gamecube and so looked for any reason they could not to support it.  And so by making sure their crappy games sold like crap, it allowed them to use the BS that was M rated games dont sell on Nintendo consoles.

The Wii on the other hand is GOING to become the market leader and have the largest user base.  With Nintendo now running the show, third parties will have no choice but to start supporting the Wii more heavily and that includes bring their M rated games as well.  Unless they hate money and are run by idiots like Capcom, they'll have to support the Wii with all they have.

Considering how well the Wii is selling right now, it'll easily surpass the 360's sales this summer around the time of E3.  Which is why I'm saying there's going to be alot of big announces this E3 because third parties now know that the Wii is where the money is.  This will inturn, give Nintendo a strong M rated lineup of games that will finally destroy there kiddy image once and for all which will finally make the 10-16 year olds feel OK to consider Nintendo cool.

And with Nintendo considered cool by the teenage audience, a huge and diverse line-up of games, and the ultimate killer-app (either Mario Galaxy or Smash Bros Brawl), this fall is going to be NINTENDOMINATION.  After that, Microsoft and Sony will never be able to catch up.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on March 29, 2007, 09:00:40 AM
NamBan, thank you ma'am..
Quote

Originally posted by: PartyBear
I prefer Namdai.  Banco sounds like the place Bloodworth buys his banhammers.
Ahahaha.. you're on a roll this week PartyBear
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 29, 2007, 10:23:57 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Taija-Herbal
Gonna have to add to that as well, We are reaching the point where more diverse games need to start showing up, a good amount of mature games, complex adventure games, some strong non-kiddy looking third party games. With the kinda sales the wii is pushing, I think it is crucial that the "cool" image is firmly associated with the wii before say xmas 07. We all know that microsoft and sony will soon have no choice but to try and use negative references to hurt the wii, because of the massive sales. It is obvious already that microsoft is feeling threatened judging by some recent comments.

The impression I seem to be getting from people even though the wii is selling, is stuff like "playstation is a big name blah blah blah, sooner or later its gonna start selling, blu-ray blah blah blah". So the wii is popular but it is still shaking off nintendo's gamecube image. We need more diverse games so that any challenge from the 360 or PS3 is killed off early and finally everyone will come to accept that wii is here for the long term so that stupid comments like this ....http://www.nintendorevolution.ca/03292007/11/nintendo_wii_a_fad_ps3_will_win...                       can stop once and for all.........


I think you're underestimating the effect of a $600 pricetag. And frankly, I'd be more worried about XBox 360 than PS3.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Jin-X on March 29, 2007, 11:47:22 AM
Look at it this way, if Sony lowers the price of the PS3 by $100 every year, it will take until the 2009 holiday season for it to be the same price as the PS2 when it launched: $300. By then it will be far too late.

That's still more than the Wii's launch price, what will the Wii and the X360 cost at that point? The PS3 is no threat to the Wii. Hell have you seen the PS3 release schedule in Japan? It's N64 like.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 29, 2007, 12:11:53 PM
Quote

Luigi Dude wrote:
Companies never wanted to support the Gamecube and so looked for any reason they could not to support it. And so by making sure their crappy games sold like crap, it allowed them to use the BS that was M rated games dont sell on Nintendo consoles.

3rd parties didn't support Gamecube because they didn't need to and it wasn't worth the effort or money to do so. Almost everything sold better on PS2 and Xbox. Instead of bothering with a Gamecube version, they could use those resources to support PS2/Xbox more and gain more profits that way. It just made sense not to support Gamecube.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UERD on March 29, 2007, 02:48:44 PM
I'm personally pretty sure that within three years' time, there'll be at least one out-of-the-blue franchise or game that is so well-received that it becomes a killer app, and people ask 'why wasn't this obvious to us before'?

Take Smash Bros. for example (although this isn't the best example, it's the first one that comes to mind). There wasn't a lot of hype when it first came out on the N64. There weren't enormous expectations or a planned world-wide launch. But the game was fun, and sold a lot. Smash Bros. was just begging for a sequel, and we got one that was even more successful. Melee is probably one of, if not the best selling game on Gamecube (and the numbers are quite respectable even when compared with games across all different platforms). And now everyone's waiting with bated breath for Brawl, which is the third installment in what has become a flagship franchise in its own right.

Yes, the example above is a first-party game. But still, with all the support that the Wii is garnering from third parties (esp. compared with last generation), it's more likely than not that something is going to emerge. And even if it's developed by Nintendo, in the end, it'll still drive sales and provide a compelling reason for people to buy the system.

I know that making a killer franchise isn't a formulaic, or even predictable process. You don't make the next monumental game by following a secret recipe. But I'm still inclined to believe the best, especially with so many people working on designing games. There have to be at least a few talented folks within the crowd, with their own super cool ideas waiting to see the light of day.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2007, 05:26:32 PM
Media Create March 19th - 25th

The rest of the software:
31. (DS, Konami) Survival Kids: Lost in Blue 2
32. (PS2, Hackberry) Pachinko Hana-oh: Misora Hibari
33. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS
34. (PS2, EA) The Godfather
35. (PS2, Spike) Kenka Bancho 2: Full Throttle
36. (DS, Spike) IQ Supply
37. (DS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
38. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
39. (DS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test

40. (PS2, Taito) Rozen Maiden: Gebetgarden
41. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
42. (DS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
43. (Wii, Nintendo) Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn
44. (DS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad
45. (DS, Hudson) Bomberman Story DS
46. (DS, Konami) Tokimeki Memorial: Girl's Side 1st Love
47. (DS, Square-Enix) Seiken Densetsu: Heroes of Mana

48. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215
49. (PSP, Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
50. (DS, Konami) Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: World Championship 2007

DS - 14
PS2 - 4
Wii - 1
PSP - 1

3rd party DS titles bolded - 9 of 14

Hardware - This Week | Last Week |       YTD |        LTD
1. DS   -   130,684 |   121,630 | 1,850,279 | 15,855,958
2. Wii   -    75,571 |    67,070 |   990,710 |  1,910,353
3. PSP   -    41,546 |    43,769 |   645,474 |  5,177,603
4. PS3   -    20,459 |    21,635 |   336,934 |    794,492
5. PS2   -    16,961 |    13,321 |   240,914 | 20,395,773
6. 360   -     3,492 |     2,910 |    75,124 |    339,826
7. GBA   -     1,394 |     1,293 |    28,305 | 15,326,384
8. GC   -       270 |       367 |     5,309 |  4,174,777  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on March 29, 2007, 05:54:03 PM
The PSP and PS3 decline, while the DS and Wii increase in sales... just what I like to see

The PS2 also saw a nice increase... closing the distance between it and the PS3.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Taija-Herbal on March 29, 2007, 10:18:47 PM
Those figures are quite relaxing....

Interesting to see how well the wii is selling considering there only seems to be wii sports and wii play as the main titles at the moment sales wise anyway, this bodes well for when more diverse games start to appear in Japan. The DS train cannot be stopped........  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 30, 2007, 12:58:06 AM
Wii closing in on 2 million while the PS3 only more recently passed the 3/4 million mark.  Price be damned, I think the Japanese have spoken.  They love innovation.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 30, 2007, 04:53:53 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: UERD
I'm personally pretty sure that within three years' time, there'll be at least one out-of-the-blue franchise or game that is so well-received that it becomes a killer app, and people ask 'why wasn't this obvious to us before'?

Take Smash Bros. for example (although this isn't the best example, it's the first one that comes to mind). There wasn't a lot of hype when it first came out on the N64. There weren't enormous expectations or a planned world-wide launch. But the game was fun, and sold a lot. Smash Bros. was just begging for a sequel, and we got one that was even more successful. Melee is probably one of, if not the best selling game on Gamecube (and the numbers are quite respectable even when compared with games across all different platforms). And now everyone's waiting with bated breath for Brawl, which is the third installment in what has become a flagship franchise in its own right.

Yes, the example above is a first-party game. But still, with all the support that the Wii is garnering from third parties (esp. compared with last generation), it's more likely than not that something is going to emerge. And even if it's developed by Nintendo, in the end, it'll still drive sales and provide a compelling reason for people to buy the system.

I know that making a killer franchise isn't a formulaic, or even predictable process. You don't make the next monumental game by following a secret recipe. But I'm still inclined to believe the best, especially with so many people working on designing games. There have to be at least a few talented folks within the crowd, with their own super cool ideas waiting to see the light of day.


Excellent post.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2007, 06:35:39 AM
TP was knocked off the top 50.

Legs were much shorter than Frogo Baggins.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on March 30, 2007, 09:34:00 AM
Zelda as we know it now is on longer prosperous.  That's why Aonuma is talking about Four Swords and WiFi in Phantom Hourglass: Nintendo knows the series is in a decline...at least in Japan.  I believe the rest of the world would follow, but as with DS, Nintendo is disrupting the market worldwide before it even has a chance to deteriorate like it did in Japan.

This is a bit depressing for the sentimental gamer as Zelda is one of the best franchises of its era, but I think it's the way things are going.  The next Wii Zelda will (probably) be quite different from the other 3D ones.

I'd argue that Wii Sports is the first killer app for the system, or else it's the prototype for the first one...Wii Health or Fitness or whatever it winds up being called.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 10:05:05 AM
I don't know... as a sentimental Zelda gamer, I can't abide how every Zelda from OoT to TP have felt essentially the same with different story themes.

Zelda's about exploration and adventure. I DON'T want tor retread old ground.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on March 30, 2007, 10:50:07 AM
Well...you got exploration and adventure in all of those games...so...what's it missing??  Wind Waker in particular changed the exploration up a lot.  I admit, having written that, I love all the 3D games but TP in particular did feel a little "been here done this".

...Getting off topic though...

How about those sales?  Honestly, they're pretty predictable this week.  Waiting for a big PS3 release to shake things up...oh wait, there are none.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 10:56:54 AM
I'm eager to find out what the next major Wii hit will be. We've already got million sellers in both Wii Sports and Wii Play, but the next step up is to get some solid middle-performing games on the charts. Realistically, most games only expect to sell 100k units and call that a success, but I'd like to see a couple more 200k or 300k unit game sales up there, and more Wii games in the top 50 overall.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ian Sane on March 30, 2007, 11:55:01 AM
"Nintendo knows the series is in a decline...at least in Japan."

My solution to this would be f*ck Japan and continue making great Zelda games because they're still popular in American and even if the rest of world no longer likes games with challenge, depth, or, you know, quality Zelda has a big enough fanbase to be profitable.  It's like how new Iron Maiden albums don't get mainstream airplay (at least not where I live) but they have a strong enough fanbase that the albums sell well anyway and the tours sell out.  Not everything has to be targeted at the mainstream.

Plus I only found TP to feel similar because Nintendo made it so.  I didn't like the art style or the big sea of nothing in Wind Waker BUT it at least felt new.  TP is way too similar to Ocarina of Time to the point that the areas are pretty much exactly the same.  That was entirely in Nintendo's control.  There's no rule that they had to do that.  They can make Hyrule as different for each game as they want to.

But then I just personally don't want Zelda significantly altered because of flakey Japanese game market groupthink.  If you don't like Zelda you're an idiot so screw off and play the sh!tty games you do like.  This goes for anything I like.  If you don't like the TV shows I watch or the music I listen to or the games I play I don't care.  Go find something you do like instead of changing what I like.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Sessha on March 30, 2007, 01:00:42 PM
Of course the series does not sell as well since the tastes are vastly different then the U.S.  but being narrow minded enough to say "Since you don't like Zelda then you must be off playing a crappy game" Some people simply do not like games in that genre.  As long as you can give an objective view to a game if it's good or bad and cite reasons then your opinion is valid.  

But of course Zelda is going to change but because of "flakey" japanese game market groupthink" is so unlikely
Most games have an underlying formula and of course Zelda has one.  If it ain't broke don't fix it comes to mind, Some things may be tweaked to appeal to certain gamers.  The game sells best in the U.S.  I doubt Nintendo would be stupid enough to pull a "New Coke" manuever.  "Attention Link is now Korean" (I'm korean and worried about potential racial backlash used my own as to not offend anyone else"  Nothing short of an act of god would change something in the series so drastically it does not feel like a Zelda game.  

Having your own tastes and opinions is what make us human but belittling someone else for not having the same mindset is ignorant.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 02:07:20 PM
Agreed Sessha. That's a remarkably alienating and isolationist view there Iansane, and not business savvy or mass market at all. Especially since you've accused Nintendo of having exactly that same mindset, except in the opposite direction with traditionalist gamers like you as the people being told to "screw off."

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2007, 02:27:15 PM
Good to see we're still fanning the flames of gamer civil war.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on March 30, 2007, 04:32:39 PM
Quote

couchmonkey wrote:
The next Wii Zelda will (probably) be quite different from the other 3D ones.

Finally...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Galford on March 30, 2007, 05:48:28 PM
I agree the current Zelda gameplay is getting a little long in the tooth and the next Wii version does need to do something different.

I have to agree with Ian about the Wii.  Just look at the history of how the Wii came into existence.  
I can't shake the nagging feeling that Nintendo's entire mindset was to retake Japan even if it ment losing
other markets.  The Wii is the epidome of Japanese "groupthink".

How many people know story behind "New Coca-Cola"?  Time for a history lesson in the next post.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 30, 2007, 06:01:16 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Galford
I agree the current Zelda gameplay is getting a little long in the tooth and the next Wii version does need to do something different.

I have to agree with Ian about the Wii.  Just look at the history of how the Wii came into existence.  
I can't shake the nagging feeling that Nintendo's entire mindset was to retake Japan even if it ment losing
other markets.  The Wii is the epidome of Japanese "groupthink".

How many people know story behind "New Coca-Cola"?  Time for a history lesson in the next post.


Oh yeah, the Wii's SO Japanese that it isn't selling around the world. Nintendo's losing A LOT of market because they decided to go towards the Japanese market first and foremost. What was Nintendo thinking?! Paying attention to their HOME MARKET?! THE NERVE! I mean, they care so much about Japan that they didn't even bother doing a worldwide release for the Wii!

They are doomed!....DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!  

OK, now that I got the sarcasm out of my system, its time for some REAL feedback.

Yeah, its true that the Wii was created in order to attract more gamers in Japan, but to say that Nintendo was willing to lose other markets is rather extremist.

In anything, the Wii is perhaps the most UNIVERSALLY appealing system on the market. Not to mention that Nintendo provided a worldwide launch and has gotten support from all sorts of developers while still keeping in touch with what that region wants (Japan=more casual, lighthearted games, US=more games period).

And finally, Nintendo want to change gaming PERIOD. Gaming in terms of creativity was in a bad slump. Sure, games were selling but in terms of creativity and evolution they were severely behind, stuck in the mentality that "graphics=next gen evolution". Nintendo want to TRULY move the industry and thus both the DS and the Wii were born, and thanks to them the industry is flying higher than ever.

And don't think those "casual" are only selling in Japan. Nintendogs, Brain age and many other games took off in other areas greatly. So again, the games may have been created with a Japanese audience in mind, but the final result is something that EVERYONE can understand and enjoy. THAT'S what Nintendo wants with the DS and the Wii.

I'm sorry, but that claim of yours is very ignorant. And I agree with what everyone else has said. Ian, I know you are known as the 'doubter" of the forums, but do you HAVE to belittle everyone who doesn't share your views? Maybe YOU doubt the Wii and Nintendo so much that you don't care about some of the stuff, but that doesn't mean the rest of us follow the same mentality. So, be the better man and LEARN to control that angst of yours.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 30, 2007, 07:29:27 PM
To get this thread tragically back on topic...

I'm going Wii hunting AGAIN. Wally-world will have at least 7 when they open at 6 on Sunday.

A local nightclub owner who runs 360 tournaments is interested in the Wii (and would very likely hold Wii Sports tournaments). Also, my mother wants one.

Just when I thought that I was out they pull me back in...  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on March 30, 2007, 07:56:15 PM
The Wii's outselling the XBox 360 in America because it's such a Japanese console.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 31, 2007, 05:46:38 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
To get this thread tragically back on topic...

I'm going Wii hunting AGAIN. Wally-world will have at least 7 when they open at 6 on Sunday.

A local nightclub owner who runs 360 tournaments is interested in the Wii (and would very likely hold Wii Sports tournaments). Also, my mother wants one.

Just when I thought that I was out they pull me back in...


You are too soft, you know that? Just don't bitch about it if you fail to get some Wiis on Sunday .

And didn't your parents had one already, the second one you got at launch? What made her want to get one again?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on March 31, 2007, 06:10:07 AM
Pap, does Smash_Brother have a large disposable income? According to my estimation, he has purchased $63,000 worth of Wiis for friends and family.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 31, 2007, 07:03:10 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Pap, does Smash_Brother have a large disposable income? According to my estimation, he has purchased $63,000 worth of Wiis for friends and family.


Well, I know that he has been working since he was 11 or something. Supposedly, he has some money saved up for any future emergencies or plans (which I hope he isn't using to buy all these Wiis). I can't tell you how much he makes in a week (since I never dared to ask), but my estimate is around 300 dollars minimum - 400 dollars maximum a week, depending on how his family business is doing (again, I may be severely wrong).

When he was living with his parents, he didn't have any personal budget. But after he moved out with the other friends, he had to pay for part of the rent (which is around 1,000 plus a month), internet, water, heat, Gamefly subscription and electricity as well as buy food, clothing, entertainment (going to bars for drinks, the movies and dinner) and such, so I am guessing a sum of his paycheck goes toward that.

Believe me when I say that I too am baffled with the amount of Wiis he has bought (especially since the last time I came to visit he was somewhat upset about the budget and we had an argument about it). However, take into consideration this:
- The first Wii he reserved (at Gamestop) was paid for by selling ALL of his Gamecube/GBA collection (including extra games, controllers, consoles and such). So you can subtract some money off the total tally.
- His younger brother bought the second Wii he got at launch
- I'm SURE he asks for payment if the person asked him to buy a Wii as a favor. Him being Italian, I'm SURE he demands the payment
- Again, since he's Italian, I'm sure he beats the crap out of the store employees and forces them to give him the Wiis
- He isn't afraid to spend extra money for friends and family
- He might be using his savings to buy the Wii (which I hope he isn't)

Once again, I may be severely wrong. SB's my best friend and all, but I simply don't like to ask people about personal income and their spending fees. Feels rude, honestly.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 31, 2007, 05:34:38 PM
Yes, I'm reselling these Wiis to other people, not just handing them off.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 31, 2007, 05:39:45 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Yes, I'm reselling these Wiis to other people, not just handing them off.


Was my info accurate, though?

I am just using info you posted around NWR (as well personal experience), so I may be off in some cases.

I am 100% sure that the first Wii you got was paid by selling all your GC and GBA stuff, and that your brother bought the second Wii you got. Everything else I am still not sure of.

As for your Wii hunting, SB, the date is a REALLY bad one to do so. I REALLY hope that Walmart isn't pulling a joke by saying they are getting Wiis at 6:00 AM. I would recommend killing people if it turned out to be a joke...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 31, 2007, 06:00:04 PM
Well, aside from coming just shy of posting my bank info, yeah, you were pretty accurate about my current situation.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2007, 06:18:52 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Well, aside from coming just shy of posting my bank info, yeah, you were pretty accurate about my current situation.


Bank of Nin
Acct. # 6844 4005 6877 8367
$1,467.48 as 03/23/2007
SS# 402-91-3648

How accurate am I?
I wasn't using any of the info from NWR, this is the stuff I found out after picking through you garbage last week
You should learn to shred
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 31, 2007, 06:32:40 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Well, aside from coming just shy of posting my bank info, yeah, you were pretty accurate about my current situation.


Bank of Nin
Acct. # 6844 4005 6877 8367
$1,467.48 as 03/23/2007
SS# 402-91-3648

How accurate am I?
I wasn't using any of the info from NWR, this is the stuff I found out after picking through you garbage last week
You should learn to shred


Yeah that's exactly it!

*Goes off to buy lots o' crap!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 31, 2007, 06:43:05 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1 How accurate am I?
I wasn't using any of the info from NWR, this is the stuff I found out after picking through you garbage last week
You should learn to shred


Just don't go posting my passwords from all the LARP sites I patronize and it'll be fine.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on March 31, 2007, 08:57:40 PM
That's fine, I changed them for you just in case.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2007, 09:41:01 PM
Media Create March 19th - 25th (complete)

Software:
01. (PS2, Koei) Musou Orochi - 406,247 / NEW
02. (DS, Nintendo) Yoshi's Island DS - 100,812 / 535,770
03. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Goku Legend - 65,203 / NEW
04. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS - 64,005 / 135,706

05. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 51,952 / 1,052,550
06. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 46,362 / 1,250,596
07. (DS, Banpresto) Crayon Shin-chan DS: Arashi wo Sakebunutte Crayon Daisakusen! - 38,413 / NEW
08. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village - 37,912 / 335,300

09. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play - 37,289 / 1,070,334
10. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros. - 25,184 / 4,257,646

11. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker
12. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age
13. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
14. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
15. (DS, Banpresto) Super Robot Wars W - 16,000 / 217,000
16. (PS2, Sony) Rogue Galaxy: Director's Cut
17. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
18. (DS, Square-Enix) Front Mission 1st - 13,000 / NEW
19. (360, From Software) Armored Core 4
20. (DS, Nintendo) English Training
21. (DS, Nintendo) Brain Age
22. (PS3, Bandai-Namco) Gundam Musou
23. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Diamond
24. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Magister Negi Magi
25. (Wii, Nintendo) Wario Ware Smooth Moves
26. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2 - 9,400 / 61,000
27. (DS, Pokemon) Pokémon Pearl
28. (DS, Marvelous Interactive) Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On
29. (DS, Sega) Doraemon's New Magic World Adventure DS
30. (DS, Sega) Love+Berry - 8,700 / 925,000


31. (DS, Konami) Survival Kids: Lost in Blue 2
32. (PS2, Hackberry) Pachinko Hana-oh: Misora Hibari
33. (DS, Nintendo) Picross DS
34. (PS2, EA) The Godfather
35. (PS2, Spike) Kenka Bancho 2: Full Throttle
36. (DS, Spike) IQ Supply
37. (DS, Sega) Puyo-Puyo! - 7,800 / 143,000
38. (DS, IE Institute) Kanji Brain Test 2M
39. (DS, Rocket Co.) Kanji Test

40. (PS2, Taito) Rozen Maiden: Gebetgarden
41. (DS, Nintendo) Wario: Master of Disguise
42. (DS, Nintendo) 1000 Recipes
43. (Wii, Nintendo) Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn - 6,900 / 118,000
44. (DS, Nintendo) Kirby Squeek Squad - 7,000 / 943,000
45. (DS, Hudson) Bomberman Story DS
46. (DS, Konami) Tokimeki Memorial: Girl's Side 1st Love - 6,200 / 35,000
47. (DS, Square-Enix) Seiken Densetsu: Heroes of Mana - 6,100 / 30,000

48. (DS, Nintendo) Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 6,000 / 179,000
49. (PSP, Sega) Puyo-Puyo!
50. (DS, Konami) Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: World Championship 2007

53 Wii Zelda: TP - 5,900 / 426,000
59 Wii Sonic: SR - 4,700 / 16,000
66 DS ??? - 4,200 / 10,000
82 Wii G1 Jockey - 2,600 / 9,000
83 DS FFIII - 2,600 / 1,007,000
86 Wii DBZ - 2,500 / 117,000
87 DS Konami Arcade Collection - 2,400 / 8,600
96 DS Etrian Odyssey - 2,000 - 76,000

99 PS2 ???- 1,900 / 102,000

Last Week:
97 PS3 VF5 - 1,600 / 71,000 (3/12 ~ 3/18)

Top 50:
DS - 36
PS2 - 6
Wii - 4
PSP - 2
PS3 - 1
360 - 1

3rd Party DS titles bolded - 21 of 36 DS titles are 3rd party

Hardware - This Week | Last Week |       YTD |        LTD
1. DS   -   130,684 |   121,630 | 1,850,279 | 15,855,958
2. Wii   -    75,571 |    67,070 |   990,710 |  1,910,353
3. PSP   -    41,546 |    43,769 |   645,474 |  5,177,603
4. PS3   -    20,459 |    21,635 |   336,934 |    794,492
5. PS2   -    16,961 |    13,321 |   240,914 | 20,395,773
6. 360   -     3,492 |     2,910 |    75,124 |    339,826
7. GBA   -     1,394 |     1,293 |    28,305 | 15,326,384
8. GC   -       270 |       367 |     5,309 |  4,174,777

Interesting Observations
Next week Wii will cross the million mark YTD.
(The PS3 has yet to cross the million mark LTD)
In two weeks Wii will cross the two million mark LTD.
(How long did it take for PS3 to cross the two million mark WW?)
In three weeks Wii will be about halfway to GC LTD.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on March 31, 2007, 11:41:26 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: KDR_11k
That's fine, I changed them for you just in case.


Just don't be editing my spell lists.

Also, this day, my grand total of Wiis purchased officially rises to ten. Wal-mart had 7 in this morning and I took 3 friends.

Yes, all four more than likely have homes already.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 01, 2007, 04:04:23 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote

Originally posted by: KDR_11k
That's fine, I changed them for you just in case.


Just don't be editing my spell lists.

Also, this day, my grand total of Wiis purchased officially rises to ten. Wal-mart had 7 in this morning and I took 3 friends.

Yes, all four more than likely have homes already.


That must be a personal record! Seriously, you must like the Wii so much that you were willing to buy it for multiple people as both favors and presents.

I'm sure that if the Wii has been yet another typical console, you wouldn't go through this trouble.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 01, 2007, 10:04:04 AM
I hate to admit this, but I enjoy the thrill of the hunt (I also bought 6 Gamecubes over the course of its life...).

And besides, this nightclub owner already hosts Madden and FIFA tourneys on the 360.

If I can have a local bar which has regular Wii Sports tourneys, all the better for me, right?  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 01, 2007, 06:08:40 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
If I can have a local bar which has regular Wii Sports tourneys, all the better for me, right?


All the better for the world SB, all the better for the world.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: AwesomeMan on April 01, 2007, 08:39:53 PM
alcohol, public places, and Wii. PERFECT!!!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 02, 2007, 07:46:42 AM
My mother was very happy to get a Wii.

Still need to contact the bar owner again and let him know I have it for him but he won't be in until tomorrow.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2007, 08:06:46 AM
I would love to goto a bar and whoop some drunks at WiiSports all night long.
I wonder how Wario Ware would go over in such an environment.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 02, 2007, 08:25:46 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I would love to goto a bar and whoop some drunks at WiiSports all night long.


Word.

I would enter a Wii Sports tournament in a heart beat. Don't care if I win or not, I would do it for the hell of it.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 02, 2007, 08:59:34 AM
I might try Wario Ware there (if Pap ever gives it back) but I'm more certain that Excite Truck would go over well (if Pap ever gives that one back too).

But I can't wait to see people in the bar take notice the first time we play it there. I'm going to offer to print up fliers for the guy and go around stapling them to telephone poles, announcing the tournaments every wed or so.

The fliers will say, "Can't find it in stores? Come play it here! Wii Love Wedensdays!"

Also, I've finally seen how nice the Wii looks in widescreen on my parents' TV. Now I just need to get a component cable for them...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2007, 04:42:42 PM
So how many units has Nintendo sold so far?

This says roughly 6.5 million while....

This says almost 6 million.

Those numbers seem close, but they're really not, especially when it places the gap between Xbox360 anywhere from 3-5 million units.

This is why I normally don't follow sales info. Who's numbers are correct? Nintendo wanted to ship 6 million by the end of March. Did they meet that goal? Did they sell every unit shipped? In my area, there isn't a Wii in stores anywhere, but is it sold out worldwide?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2007, 06:13:30 PM
First of all, don't take either of those number as fact, especially Nextgen wars.

Secondly, according to Nintendo they exceeded that 6 million mark as of about 1 week ago.

NPD, Media Create & Famitsu are the only 3 sources of #'s that we take as official (MC more so than Famitsu). We don't have any solid hardware #'s for Europe, so I'm not sure what we're supposed to about that other than take VGCharts word for it.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 03, 2007, 09:21:21 AM
Looks like the nightclub owner I mentioned has two partners, and all three of them will need convincing.

Wish me luck, guys. Time to see if Wii Sports can carry the console into the bar scene...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 03, 2007, 09:50:30 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Looks like the nightclub owner I mentioned has two partners, and all three of them will need convincing.

Wish me luck, guys. Time to see if Wii Sports can carry the console into the bar scene...


Set the Wii up, make some Miis, load Wii Sports. That should do it.

If the guys don't want it, I suggest you demand the money or else the place will suffer an "unfortunate" accident.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 03, 2007, 02:40:59 PM
It went pretty well. Two of the three partners are convinced and they're going to talk to the third one tomorrow (but they're pretty sure they can convince him).

Now they expect us to help organize tournaments and such.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 03, 2007, 02:52:15 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
It went pretty well. Two of the three partners are convinced and they're going to talk to the third one tomorrow (but they're pretty sure they can convince him).

Now they expect us to help organize tournaments and such.


And is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I ask because organizing tournaments can be somewhat hard sometimes, and if they expect you guys to organize tournaments every week then its going to be hard.

I know you wanted to get Wii Sports tournaments going, but at what extend will you help them along?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on April 03, 2007, 04:14:06 PM
"Convince" 3 club owners to buy a Wii.

...wasn't this a level in that Godfather game?  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 02:51:56 AM
I'll gladly organize tournaments. If nothing else, it'll give me something to do with my free time.

As for persuading them, I actually showed one of them Godfather, but Wii Sports was definitely the convincing argument, as always.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2007, 06:15:15 AM
Hopefully your not spending all of your Free Time doing this for Free.
Everybody should have a little side hustle, and peddling Wii's and setting up tournaments sounds like it could provide a little extra income in your pocket. So I hope you make it worth your while.

--------------------------------

Early Media Create #'s March 26th - April 1

21 Wii Fishing Master 19,000 / 19,000
39 PS3 Gundam Musou 8,000 / 238,000
67 Wii FE 4,000 / 122,000
68 Wii Naruto 4,000 / 77,000
98 DS FFIII 2,000 / 1,009,000

Wii 51,000
 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 08:14:35 AM
Honestly, I felt that my friends and I needed a way to start meeting people and to just DO something else with our time which was basically being squandered.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2007, 08:29:25 AM
Well if you're doing it to get drunk women to come back to your place to play with your wii , then I can understand that too.  But I would still try to get paid for my time of setting up and possibly hosting the tournaments.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 08:37:01 AM
We might get free food/drinks and such, especially if we start advertising the tourneys and pack the place, but the real interest was just meeting new people and yes, that does include women.

If half the battle is just breaking the ice, teaching someone to play Wii Sports does that for you.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2007, 08:44:39 AM
Free food and drinks sounds good, but if I were you I would take a set monetary value instead(speaking from experience). Sometimes you may not be hungry or thirsty and you would have just worked for free. Besides it would be better to get paid and then have the money to buy that stuff if you choose to. You would probably get an employee discount anyway, since you technically are working for the bar.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2007, 08:54:19 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Free food and drinks sounds good, but if I were you I would take a set monetary value instead(speaking from experience). Sometimes you may not be hungry or thirsty and you would have just worked for free. Besides it would be better to get paid and then have the money to buy that stuff if you choose to. You would probably get an employee discount anyway, since you technically are working for the bar.


The thing is that it is my understanding that SB and crew are good friends with the owner, so they might do him the favor and don't ask for payment. Consider it they helping him out and make sure that their fave nightclub/bar stays around for a while.

But I agree that if the owners start demanding too much and expect them to pour their time into setting tournaments and such, then yeah, some monetary compensation is good. But like I said, it is my belief that they have a good relationship with the owner so I doubt it will go to the extremes.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 09:03:33 AM
We don't know the guy all that well yet, but we no doubt will soon.

As for the issue, I wouldn't see the need to ask for compensation for hosting a tournament once a week, but if it came to the point where we were pouring time into it, then yes, I'd have to opt out.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2007, 09:10:12 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
We don't know the guy all that well yet, but we no doubt will soon.

As for the issue, I wouldn't see the need to ask for compensation for hosting a tournament once a week, but if it came to the point where we were pouring time into it, then yes, I'd have to opt out.


I ask because you went and got him a Wii for the bar.

You wouldn't do that for just a random person unless you had a decent understanding of them.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 09:14:05 AM
It was my desire to play Wii Sports in a social environment which compelled me to do it, really.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2007, 09:22:14 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
It was my desire to play Wii Sports in a social environment which compelled me to do it, really.


I expected that this was mainly for personal gain.

Like I said, this would help Nintendo a bit establishing the Wii on mainstream places.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 04, 2007, 11:13:17 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
We might get free food/drinks and such, especially if we start advertising the tourneys and pack the place, but the real interest was just meeting new people and yes, that does include women.

If half the battle is just breaking the ice, teaching someone to play Wii Sports does that for you.


It sounds like you want a club Smash.  Well if you want I'll put it up on the NWR Facebook page as an event if you like.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 12:22:45 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: pap64
Like I said, this would help Nintendo a bit establishing the Wii on mainstream places.


Not until you can find a Wii in, you know, stores.

As for the event, I wouldn't bother advertising on the net. I think advertising in town is a better bet, considering this is the target audience, as well as advertising in local Gamestops. Thanks for the offer, though.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2007, 12:40:33 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Quote

Originally posted by: pap64
Like I said, this would help Nintendo a bit establishing the Wii on mainstream places.


Not until you can find a Wii in, you know, stores.


Is that supposed to mean something? *Raises eyebrow
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 12:46:40 PM
Just that I'm not doing this with Nintendo in mind since it couldn't help them anyway.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 04, 2007, 12:49:20 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Just that I'm not doing this with Nintendo in mind since it couldn't help them anyway.


Just wondering. Didn't know if the angst humor was aimed at me or at Nintendo, hence why I ask.

I really gotta fix my sarcasm/humor detector...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2007, 12:59:45 PM
It's hard to have one on the internet so no one will blame you for that.

But yeah, people can try the Wii all they want, but one of the points of having one was actually that you can't buy it in stores but you could try it at the bar.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2007, 06:34:59 PM
I still say that if the Bar is gonna profit off of this, you would be a fool not to profit from it too. And I'm speaking in monetary terms here.
------------------------------------------------------

Media Create March 26th - April 1st

01. (PS2, Square-Enix) Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ - 173,212 / NEW
02. (PS2, Koei) Musou Orochi - 73,387 / 479,635
03. (DS, Nintendo) More English Training - 49,712 / NEW
04. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Digimon Story: Sunburst - 48,192 / NEW
05. (DS, Nintendo) Yoshi's Island DS - 46,123 / 581,893
06. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture - 44,250 / NEW
07. (PS2, Konami) Pro Baseball Spirits 4 - 41,161 / NEW
08. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS - 40,788 / 176,494
09. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Sports - 34,527 / 1,285,124
10. (PSP, Capcom) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 33,217 / 1,085,767

11. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Digimon Story: Moonlight
12. (DS, Level 5) Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village

13. (Wii, Nintendo) Wii Play
14. (DS, Konami) D. Gray-man: The Followers of God
15. (PS2, Sega) Fist of the North Star: Shinban no Futazousei - Kengou Retsuden
16. (DS, Takara-Tomy) Home Teacher Hitman Reborn! DS
17. (DS, Nintendo) New Super Mario Bros.
18. (DS, Bandai-Namco) Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Goku Legend
19. (DS, Square-Enix) Dragon Quest Monsters Joker

20. (PS3, Konami) Pro Baseball Spirits 4
21. (Wii, Hudson) Mezase!! Fishing Master 19,000 / NEW
22. (DS, Nintendo) Mario Kart DS
23. (DS, Nintendo) More Brain Age
24. (DS, Nintendo) Animal Crossing Wild World
25. (DS, Banpresto) Crayon Shin-chan DS: Arashi wo Sakebunutte Crayon Daisakusen!
26. (360, Spike) Call of Duty 3
27. (DS, Nintendo) Common Knowledge Training
28. (DS, IE Institute) TOEIC Test Training DS
29. (DS, Banpresto) Super Robot Wars W

30. (DS, Nintendo) English Training

DS - 20
PS2 - 4
Wii - 3
PSP - 1
PS3 - 1
360 - 1

3rd Parties on Nintendo platforms bolded = 13 of 23  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on April 04, 2007, 09:22:52 PM
What's with the third party thing? It was interesting the first week but now it's kind of odd...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2007, 09:50:49 PM
I thought it would be more intersting to see how 3rd parties are selling on the Nintendo platforms, cause just a blank chart seems kinda dull. I didn't want to just bold the Wii and/or DS software, cause it would be less work to bold the Sony or MS stuff instead. Besides I don't see whats so wierd about it.

Would you* rather I just leave it blank?





*by "you" I mean everyone that reads this thread.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 04, 2007, 10:57:23 PM
I sure hope 3rd parties are taking notice of the DS and realize that they could see similar success on Wii if they actually try to create great games.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 05, 2007, 09:12:10 AM
Sometimes I wish we could do different color text.  Then I say color code it.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on April 05, 2007, 09:18:43 AM
BNM: I like the third party thing.  Honestly, when I see the top 30 elsewhere, it's like, "Oh yeah, DS creams everything, Wii and PS2 do well too, nothing new to see", so it's cool to notice another angle.

Lately the only other interesting thing about the chart was that Monster Hunter game, and it's about to fall out of the top 10, returning us to our regularly scheduled Nintendo-fest.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on April 05, 2007, 05:03:52 PM
You say that as if it's a bad thing
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on April 05, 2007, 05:25:19 PM
I say italicize third party and bold Nintendo. Or the reverse.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 05, 2007, 05:43:34 PM
I say not making poor BNM do more than he already voluntarily does.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2007, 07:03:56 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I say not making poor BNM do more than he already voluntarily does.
Its cool, I don't mind. I've had a little too much free time lately anyway.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2007, 07:31:27 PM
Anyway, new feature added over at NeoGAF

Media Create March  26th - April 1st (almost complete)
This Week/Last Week [System] Title (Publisher) - This Week / LTD

01./00. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix) - 173,212 / NEW
02./01. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 73,387 / 479,635

03./00. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 49,712 / NEW
04./00. [DS] Digimon Story: Sunburst (Bandai-Namco) - 48,192 / NEW
05./02. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 46,123 / 581,893
06./00. [DS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture (Bandai-Namco) - 44,250 / NEW
07./00. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 41,161 / NEW
08./04. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco) - 40,788 / 176,494
09./06. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 34,527 / 1,285,124
10./05. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom) - 33,217 / 1,085,767

11./00. [DS] Digimon Story: Moonlight (Bandai-Namco)
12./08. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5)

13./09. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo)
14./00. [DS] D. Gray-man: The Followers of God (Konami)
15./00. [PS2] Fist of the North Star: Shinban no Futazousei - Kengou Retsuden (Sega)
16./00. [DS] Home Teacher Hitman Reborn! DS (Takara-Tomy)
17./10. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
18./03. [DS] Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Goku Legend (Bandai-Namco)
19./11. [DS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix)

20./00. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami)
21./00. [Wii] Mezase!! Fishing Master (Hudson)
22./14. [DS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
23./12. [DS] More Brain Age (Nintendo)
24./13. [DS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo)
25./07. [DS] Crayon Shin-chan DS: Arashi wo Sakebunutte Crayon Daisakusen! (Banpresto)
26./00. [360] Call of Duty 3 (Spike)
27./17. [DS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo)
28./00. [DS] TOEIC Test Training DS (IE Institute)
29./15. [DS] Super Robot Wars W (Banpresto)

30./20. [DS] English Training (Nintendo)

31./23. [DS] Pokémon Diamond (Pokemon)
32./00. [PS2] Winning Post 7: Maximum 2007 (Koei)
33./21. [DS] Brain Age (Nintendo)
34./00. [DS] SimCity DS (EA)
35./29. [DS] Doraemon's New Magic World Adventure DS (Sega)

36./27. [DS] Pokémon Pearl (Pokemon)
37./00. [PS3] Winning Post 7: Maximum 2007 (Koei)
38./25. [Wii] Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
39./22. [PS3] Gundam Musou (Bandai-Namco)
40./28. [DS] Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On (Marvelous Interactive)
41./39. [DS] Kanji Test (Rocket Co.)

42./41. [DS] Wario: Master of Disguise (Nintendo)
43./44. [DS] Kirby Squeek Squad (Nintendo)
44./33. [DS] Picross DS (Nintendo)
45./36. [DS] IQ Supply (Spike)
46./30. [DS] Love+Berry (Sega)

47./00. [PS2] VitaminX (D3 Publisher)
48./38. [DS] Kanji Brain Test 2M (IE Institute)
49./26. [DS] Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2 (Bandai-Namco)
50./37. [DS] Puyo-Puyo! (Sega)


DS - 35
PS2 - 6
Wii - 4
PS3 - 3
PSP - 1
360 - 1

First Party Publsihed (All Platforms) highlighted - N=17  S=0 M=0
Third Parties on Nintendo Platforms bolded - 22 of 39
Third Parties on Non-Nintendo Platforms italicized - 11 of 11

Hardware - This Week | Last Week |       YTD |        LTD
1. DS   -    80,012 |   130,684 | 1,930,291 | 15,935,970
2. Wii   -    51,365 |    75,571 | 1,042,075 |  1,961,718
3. PSP   -    39,077 |    41,546 |   684,551 |  5,216,680
4. PS2   -    17,787 |    16,961 |   258,701 | 20,413,560
5. PS3   -    16,889 |    20,459 |   353,823 |    811,381
6. 360   -     3,889 |     3,492 |    79,013 |    343,715
7. GBA   -     1,206 |     1,394 |    29,511 | 15,327,590
8. GC   -       205 |       270 |     5,514 |  4,174,982

GBA = 9 GBA + 609 SP + 588 Micro
DS = 115 DS + 79,897 Lite


I hope that helps  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2007, 09:05:46 PM
Dude, take a vacation.  You don't have to satisfy these yahoos.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 05, 2007, 09:11:30 PM
Yes he does! more More MORE!!!

Until he gets a bar owner to buy a Wii and hold weekly Wii Sports events, the rabid fanbois will never be satisfied!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 05, 2007, 09:19:22 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666
Dude, take a vacation.  You don't have to satisfy these yahoos.

The forums are on life support, there's nothing on TV, my plans for the night got postponed and I don't feel like moving my Wii to back to my bedroom.... so I did it just to fill my own void really.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on April 06, 2007, 05:58:35 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

Hardware - This Week | Last Week |       YTD |        LTD
1. DS   -    80,012 |   130,684 | 1,930,291 | 15,935,970
2. Wii   -    51,365 |    75,571 | 1,042,075 |  1,961,718
3. PSP   -    39,077 |    41,546 |   684,551 |  5,216,680
4. PS2   -    17,787 |    16,961 |   258,701 | 20,413,560
5. PS3   -    16,889 |    20,459 |   353,823 |    811,381
6. 360   -     3,889 |     3,492 |    79,013 |    343,715
7. GBA   -     1,206 |     1,394 |    29,511 | 15,327,590
8. GC   -       205 |       270 |     5,514 |  4,174,982


And the PS2 has now overtaken the PS3 in weekly sales in Japan. The system goes further on life support everyday.

In other news, it will be nice to see the Wii crack 2 mil in next week's data.

Quote

Originally posted by: Professional 666
Dude, take a vacation.  You don't have to satisfy these yahoos.


BlackNMild2k1's reports are like 50% of the reason to still check the NWR forums...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on April 06, 2007, 06:16:39 AM
It's definitely true that lately the forums have been pretty boring..
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 06, 2007, 08:25:31 AM
I think the forums are best when we have things to speculate about.  Especially new hardware.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 06, 2007, 08:33:32 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
It's definitely true that lately the forums have been pretty boring..


This is the silence before the storm, if I have anything to say about it...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: The Omen on April 06, 2007, 08:45:46 AM
Do we have any numbers for The Godfather yet?  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2007, 08:54:03 AM
March NPD isn't for about another week or so.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 06, 2007, 08:56:40 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: The Omen
Do we have any numbers for The Godfather yet?


Nope, all that we know is that the UK is EATING the game up while in the US Secret Rings is doing good.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 06, 2007, 10:05:46 AM
Darn, my Godfather purchase won't be in March where it'll be most visible, but in April... curse my lateness!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 06, 2007, 11:48:47 AM
That's right, folks: M games, and ultimately the Wii itself, failed because of Kairon.

Please select from this pile of rocks. Stoning starts in 15 minutes.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 06, 2007, 11:52:20 AM
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~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on April 07, 2007, 07:17:07 PM
I'm WARNING YOU, if you say Jehovah one more time! *stone thumps the priest on the head*
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 07, 2007, 07:43:22 PM
I did it.

I sold the Wii to the nightclub owner. Tomorrow, I'll be hosting the first open Wii Sports night.

Hoo-rah!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 07, 2007, 08:59:18 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I did it.

I sold the Wii to the nightclub owner. Tomorrow, I'll be hosting the first open Wii Sports night.

Hoo-rah!


Congratulations!

Just remember, have fun and don't get TOO involved in the tournaments.

Hopefully, the Wii Sports tournaments will be around come summer .
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2007, 09:08:38 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: pap64
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I did it.

I sold the Wii to the nightclub owner. Tomorrow, I'll be hosting the first open Wii Sports night.

Hoo-rah!


Congratulations!

Just remember, have fun and don't get TOO involved in the tournaments.

Hopefully, the Wii Sports tournaments will be around come summer .

But most importatntly, don't forget to get paid. You'll thank yourself later.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 07, 2007, 09:13:30 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Quote

Originally posted by: pap64
Quote

Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I did it.

I sold the Wii to the nightclub owner. Tomorrow, I'll be hosting the first open Wii Sports night.

Hoo-rah!


Congratulations!

Just remember, have fun and don't get TOO involved in the tournaments.

Hopefully, the Wii Sports tournaments will be around come summer .

But most importatntly, don't forget to get paid. You'll thank yourself later.


I honestly doubt that SB and crew will demand a payment of some sort, since its mostly for THEIR personal gain.

I'm sure they will ask for a fee if the owners start demanding too much (like they demand that the crew set up the tournaments every week and want a lot of effort put into it).

But at the moment, it looks like they are doing this to help a local haunt out, not to seek any monetary reward from it.

BTW, you mentioned earlier that you are giving SB this advice because of past experience. What did you do?  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2007, 09:43:59 PM
I tried to help a semi-local bar where a friend worked by helping to get the place filled. It had been open for months, yet the place always stayed relatively empty and I wanted my friend to keep his job. So I helped promote by getting all of my friends to go there and pass out flyers at the other more local bars. Eventually, a few weeks later, the place was consistantly packed 2 of 3 nights out of the week. Once I realized that promoting was taking up quite a but of my time, and not to mention my gas, I asked to get some compensation for my time and efforts(he was doing a lot business now that I <and others> helped out). He paid me once, gave me hook-ups on drinks twice, and then pretty much pretended like I didn't help him get to the successful thurs-sat. nights that he still enjoys to this day.

[rant] It got so bad that once when I was there, someone stole my drink and he wouldn't even replace it, he just said "what am I supposed to babysit your drink?".  Just so you know we couldn't take our drinks outside to the smoking area, so I had to leave it on a table infront of the bouncer, when I came back 2-3 minutes later it was gone, hardly my fault. I pleaded with the bartender who then gave me a replacement drink, which was then knocked out of my hand by some drunk chick, and the bar owner still wouldn't replace my drink. So I stopped going there and made sure all of my friends that frequented the spot(which was about 15-20% of the crowd on any of those 3 days), stopped going there too. That move coincedentally coincided with the pull of support from the guy who helped pull in all the people from the very local college in that same city(I lived a couple of cities over, where I did my flyering). His friends were about 50-70% of who was there on any given night, which meant that now the club was dead again. It eventually picked back up a couple of months later when things with the college kids worked themselves back out, but only just recently got back up to the levels of success that they enjoyed way back when things were good.[/rant]

Moral of the story:
Helping out may help you get laid,
but looking back, you'll be glad you got paid.    
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 08, 2007, 05:50:54 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I tried to help a semi-local bar where a friend worked by helping to get the place filled. It had been open for months, yet the place always stayed relatively empty and I wanted my friend to keep his job. So I helped promote by getting all of my friends to go there and pass out flyers at the other more local bars. Eventually, a few weeks later, the place was consistantly packed 2 of 3 nights out of the week. Once I realized that promoting was taking up quite a but of my time, and not to mention my gas, I asked to get some compensation for my time and efforts(he was doing a lot business now that I <and others> helped out). He paid me once, gave me hook-ups on drinks twice, and then pretty much pretended like I didn't help him get to the successful thurs-sat. nights that he still enjoys to this day.

[rant] It got so bad that once when I was there, someone stole my drink and he wouldn't even replace it, he just said "what am I supposed to babysit your drink?".  Just so you know we couldn't take our drinks outside to the smoking area, so I had to leave it on a table infront of the bouncer, when I came back 2-3 minutes later it was gone, hardly my fault. I pleaded with the bartender who then gave me a replacement drink, which was then knocked out of my hand by some drunk chick, and the bar owner still wouldn't replace my drink. So I stopped going there and made sure all of my friends that frequented the spot(which was about 15-20% of the crowd on any of those 3 days), stopped going there too. That move coincedentally coincided with the pull of support from the guy who helped pull in all the people from the very local college in that same city(I lived a couple of cities over, where I did my flyering). His friends were about 50-70% of who was there on any given night, which meant that now the club was dead again. It eventually picked back up a couple of months later when things with the college kids worked themselves back out, but only just recently got back up to the levels of success that they enjoyed way back when things were good.[/rant]

Moral of the story:
Helping out may help you get laid,
but looking back, you'll be glad you got paid.


I see. So you fear that SB and crew's favor will explode in their faces and the owner will ignore the fact that they went through the trouble of getting the Wii, setting it up, creating and promoting tournaments and eventually helping the bar get even more people in.

Well like I said, the guys know the owner a bit, and I'm sure that if they are spending way too much time on this they will either drop it or demand compensation.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on April 08, 2007, 06:55:12 AM
If a favor is done without request, no reward should be expected.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2007, 07:28:25 AM
I may have left out a few details, just to shorten the story.

Well I Kinda knwe the owner too, and he needed help getting people in there, I offered to do it for very little compensation at first, but once it started takig up a good chunk of my time, I asked for more compensation to which he agreed to. But then once it came time to pay, he tried to make up excuses why he shouldn't have to, even though it was clear that most of the people in there were the direct result of mainly two people, and he wasn't paying the other guy, the one that went to the local college.

The point is, that I got stiffed once things took off and they were able to maintain w/o me, the other guy got beat up by the bouncers one night for being way too drunk and not leaving voluntarily, but the difference is that I atleast got paid for my efforts before everything went south for the winter.

and for the summary:

Bar is empty, needs help getting people in.
Local college guy with lots of friends help by bringing friends and passing out flyers for free
Not as local me brings my fiends and passes out flyers for small compensation (free/discounted drinks)
Bar gets busier, starting to gain popularity
promoting took more effort than I previously thought, asked for more compensation, which was agreed upon
bar gets really busy, Owner attempts to stiff me on compensation

3 months later the other guy get thrown out of bar and then beat up for not staying out
I get tired of getting jerked around by the owner, we both pull our support, bar attendence takes a nose dive.
several months later they repair communications with the other guy, some people come back.
my friend asked me a favor, so I came back temporarily, brought a few friends.
remembered why I quit going there, haven't been back since.
But atleast I got paid.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 08, 2007, 08:21:46 AM
I'll definitely be keeping my eye on the situation, BNM, and I'm sorry it went so badly for you.

The one other thing I have going for me is that I'm the one who will be organizing/hosting the tournaments so they will continue to need me. Plus, I only plan to really "promote" the bar once via fliers. After that, I'll still show up to host tournaments but that could be done by them if I decide to opt out of it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on April 08, 2007, 09:08:10 AM
The moral of the story is not to smoke. Then you wouldn't need your drink replaced.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 08, 2007, 10:15:39 AM
I think NPD for March will come out the 19th, not this thursday, but the one after! I can't wait!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2007, 12:21:25 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Artimus
The moral of the story is not to smoke. Then you wouldn't need your drink replaced.

To be honest, at that point in time I wasn't really a smoker, and I don't think I went out there to smoke, but more to talk to one of the girls that went outside. I have since then quit smoking, 6+ months and counting, *please keep the applause down* and have stopped going out to the bars as often.

But anyway, SB I'm glad you got everything worked out, and even if you don't take my advice, make sure that however things turn out you make sure that if and/or when it ends(for you) that it works out to have all been to your benefit.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 08, 2007, 06:18:13 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
To be honest, at that point in time I wasn't really a smoker, and I don't think I went out there to smoke, but more to talk to one of the girls that went outside. I have since then quit smoking, 6+ months and counting, *please keep the applause down* and have stopped going out to the bars as often.


I never met two of my grandparents because of smoking. I am applauding.

Quote

But anyway, SB I'm glad you got everything worked out, and even if you don't take my advice, make sure that however things turn out you make sure that if and/or when it ends(for you) that it works out to have all been to your benefit.


I realize that I might wind up learning a hard lesson here, but I'm going to keep it short but sweet, do only two nights a week and just hang fliers up once. That's it.

I won't be directing people there personally, nor will I be continuously be their PR guy after the initial ads. Believe me when I say that my inherent distrust of people is still quite strong, so I'll be certain to draw the line if they ask for any more than what I volunteered.

We held the first Wii night tonight and it went splendidly. We basically had a group of 7-8 people who were just planning on staying for dinner playing all night, buying drinks while they did. The Wii more than proved itself in one single night. It was awesome.

I don't think I should have a problem if we do it two nights a week, but anything more than that will be a bit much.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 08, 2007, 06:41:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
To be honest, at that point in time I wasn't really a smoker, and I don't think I went out there to smoke, but more to talk to one of the girls that went outside. I have since then quit smoking, 6+ months and counting, *please keep the applause down* and have stopped going out to the bars as often.


I never met two of my grandparents because of smoking. I am applauding.

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But anyway, SB I'm glad you got everything worked out, and even if you don't take my advice, make sure that however things turn out you make sure that if and/or when it ends(for you) that it works out to have all been to your benefit.


I realize that I might wind up learning a hard lesson here, but I'm going to keep it short but sweet, do only two nights a week and just hang fliers up once. That's it.

I won't be directing people there personally, nor will I be continuously be their PR guy after the initial ads. Believe me when I say that my inherent distrust of people is still quite strong, so I'll be certain to draw the line if they ask for any more than what I volunteered.

We held the first Wii night tonight and it went splendidly. We basically had a group of 7-8 people who were just planning on staying for dinner playing all night, buying drinks while they did. The Wii more than proved itself in one single night. It was awesome.

I don't think I should have a problem if we do it two nights a week, but anything more than that will be a bit much.


And my grandmother spent the rest of their life with lung problems because of constant smoking. I too applaud the effort.

As for the Wii Night, congrats!

Great to know everything went fine. What nights are you doing the Wii Night thing? IE, on what days of the week?
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on April 08, 2007, 07:43:50 PM
As someone whose father died when he was seven due to lung cancer...I too applaud quitting smoking. I don't personally know how hard it is, but I know it's perhaps the hardest thing you'll ever do. So good on you! Plus, it's never too soon to quit (my father found out he had cancer a couple months after quitting).
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2007, 08:27:42 PM
i was never addicted, a quit cold turkey w/o much of a problem.
I would often emptty a pack out in one night if heavily drinking, but quite a few of those cigs would be given away to other people - "Better your lungs than mine".

I was mostly just a social smoker, so I never really had cravings unless someone else was smoking or I was drinking. I cut myself back to only smoking when drinking, then I quit drinking for a few weeks so that there would be no cravings for nicotine at all. Now if I even think about smoking(or hang around a smoker) my lungs will hurt (the next day), and that makes for a pretty strong reminder to NOT SMOKE. I feel better, I smell better(never really noticed how bad a smoker stinks), and can breathe easier. Its a good feeling and I encourage all my other friends to quit smoking too.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 09, 2007, 06:15:49 AM
Good job BnM.  Glad your not smoking.  A hobby like smoking, especially socially, can easily become much much more expensive then are "expensive" gaming hobby.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 09, 2007, 06:15:54 AM
I don't even know how this time.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on April 09, 2007, 07:53:31 AM
BNM - you used to be cool.  Used to.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 09, 2007, 08:01:45 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
BNM - you used to be cool.  Used to.

Even though I don't personally smoke anything, I'm only against the smoking of cigarettes
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: MaryJane on April 09, 2007, 02:05:31 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
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Originally posted by: vudu
BNM - you used to be cool.  Used to.

Even though I don't personally smoke anything, I'm only against the smoking of cigarettes


NICE!

I need to quit smoking cigarettes myself, I'm down to only buying loosies at 3 for $1, so I only smoke 3-6 a day instead of the 20 I used to.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 09, 2007, 07:43:13 PM
I'm totally in favor of legalizing it.

The harder stuff, though, it just a bit too scary.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 09, 2007, 09:39:47 PM
Danger Smash_Brother! Danger!

Politics! Politics!

Warning! Warning! AAAWOOOOOGA! AWOOOOOOGA!

BEEEEUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRNNNNNNN (<----foghorn)

...

YAnyways, with regard to this whole business of getting other people Wiis and setting up tournaments S_B, don't think you can fool us. Your curmudgeonly ebenezer miser act is good, but we see right through it to your golden Nintendo fanboi heart!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Deguello on April 10, 2007, 12:49:54 AM
Yeah this gets back on track before you all get busted by the fuzz.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2007, 05:22:27 AM
But isn't this the Official Wiid Sales Thread?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Rhoq on April 10, 2007, 05:30:39 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
But isn't this the Official Wiid Sales Thread?


If you're holdin' I'm buyin'
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 10, 2007, 05:50:05 AM
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Originally posted by: MaryJane
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
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Originally posted by: vudu
BNM - you used to be cool.  Used to.

Even though I don't personally smoke anything, I'm only against the smoking of cigarettes


NICE!

I need to quit smoking cigarettes myself, I'm down to only buying loosies at 3 for $1, so I only smoke 3-6 a day instead of the 20 I used to.


With that sort of money you could help a child in Africa or get life insurance.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on April 10, 2007, 07:17:02 AM
Or a make a twenty minute phone call.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 10, 2007, 08:18:19 AM
Buy more DS Games! Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 11, 2007, 07:41:47 AM
now that we have successfully derailed this thread, it time for me to put it back on its tracks...

Media Create - PS3 vs Wii - thru end of March '07

PS3
1. Gundam Musou - 238,000
2. Gundam Target in Sight - 128,000
3. Ridge Racer 7 - 125,000
4. Resistance - 117,000
5. Armored Core 4 - 77,000
6. Virtua Fighter 5 - 73,000
7. Motorstorm - 61,000
8. Genji - 54,000
9. Formula One - 29,000
10. Enchant Arm - 29,000
11. Need for Speed Carbon - 27,000
12. Sonic - 25,000
13. Pro Baseball Spirits - 20,000
14. Powersmash 3 - 19,000
15. Mahjong Fight Club - 15,000
16. Untold Legends - 12,000
17. Sega Golf Club - 12,000
18. NBA07 - 9,000
19. Winning Post 7 - 8,000
20. Mist of Chaos - 7,000
21. Railfan - 7,000
22. Mahjong Taikai IV - 5,000
23. Fight Night Round 3 - 3,000
TOTAL 1,097,000 - attach rate 1.35

Wii
1. Wii Sports - 1,285,000
2. Wii Play - 1,097,000
3. Zelda Twilight Princess - 430,000
4. Made in Wario Smooth Moves - 374,000
5. Pokemon Battle Revolution - 249,000
6. Fire Emblem - 122,000
7. Dragonball Z Sparking Neo - 120,000
8. Ennichi no Tatsujin - 81,000 (WTF)
9. Naruto - 77,000
10. Bleach - 66,000
11. Excite Truck - 64,000
12. Swing Golf Pangya - 58,000
13. Elebits - 57,000
14. Tamagotchi - 47,000
15. Crayon Shin-chan - 44,000
16. SD Gundam Scud Hammers - 43,000
17. Super Monkey Ball - 33,000
18. Red Steel - 32,000
19. Cororinpa - 25,000
20. Caduceus Z - 22,000
21. GT Pro Series - 22,000
22. Sonic and the Secret Rings - 19,000
23. Bombermanland - 19,000
24. Fishing Master - 19,000
25. Eyeshield 21 - 17,000
26. Need for Speed Carbon - 16,000
27. Cooking Mama - 13,000
28. Necronesia - 11,000
29. G1 Jockey - 10,000
30. Raving Rabbids - 10,000
31. Monster 4x4 - 8,000
32. Mahjong Taikai - 8,000
33. Wing Island - 6,000
34. Densha de Go - 6,000
35. Cars - 2,000
36. Three Kingdoms 11 - 1,700
37, Spongebob - 1,500
38. Sudoku - 1,000
TOTAL 4,516,000 - attach rate 2.30

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PS3
TOTAL 1,097,000 - attach rate 1.35


2. Wii Play - 1,097,000

Well, isn't that interesting...

Hardware
PS3: 810,000
Wii: 1,960,000


 
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 11, 2007, 08:05:44 AM
So everytime someone buys a PS3 game to atone for it they buy Wii Play.  It makes perfect sense.  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 11, 2007, 08:11:10 AM
I think you have it backwards. [edit]<I don't need to kick sony while they are down, the numbers speak for themselves>[/edit]
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 11, 2007, 08:28:44 AM
Then we find out the the cost of the Wii in Japan just so happen to make enough profit for Nintendo to totally cover the cost to produce a Wii Play Wiimote Bundle.  Hence like giving someone a player with no media they hope that the curiosity to use what they have will get them to purchase a Wii thus recooping their loss and enhancing there attach why they are Wiiless.

Its diabolical.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 11, 2007, 04:12:54 PM
I was kind of worried when I saw the worst selling PS3 game had 3,000 in sales, and the worst Wii game had 1,000, but then I noticed PS3 only has 23 on the entire list, and Wii has 38...and PS3's #23 = 3,000, and Wii's #23 = 19,000. The attach rate is especially devastating for Sony when you figure there are twice as many Wiis out there, technically selling 4.5x the amount of software as PS3.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 11, 2007, 05:38:06 PM
why does it keep double posting?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 11, 2007, 05:38:09 PM
Media Create April 2nd - April 8th

01./00. [PS2] Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator (Bandai-Namco) - 75,453 / NEW
02./00. [PSP] Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable (Bandai-Namco) - 58,751 / NEW

03./05. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 47,566 / 629,459
04./07. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 40,891 / 82,052
05./02. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 36,168 / 515,803

06./03. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 34,933 / 84,645
07./09. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 30,807 / 1,315,931
08./00. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 (Konami) - 29,944 / NEW
09./01. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix) - 29,638 / 202,850

10./12. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 27,833 / 392,135

11./00. [DS] Case Closed! Detective Trainer (Bandai-Namco)
12./08. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco)

13./00. [PS2] Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 (Bandai-Namco)
14./17. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
15./13. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo)
16./10. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom)
17./00. [PS2] Rakushou! Pachislo Sengen 5: Rio Paradise (Tecmo)

18./06. [DS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture (Bandai-Namco)
19./22. [DS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
20./04. [DS] Digimon Story: Sunburst (Bandai-Namco)
21./23. [DS] More Brain Age (Nintendo)
22./24. [DS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo)
23./20. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami)
24./19. [DS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix)
25./34. [DS] SimCity DS (EA)
26./00. [DS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan)
27./18. [DS] Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Goku Legend (Bandai-Namco)

28./30. [DS] English Training (Nintendo)
29./27. [DS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo)
30./29. [DS] Super Robot Wars W (Banpresto)

31./25. [DS] Crayon Shin-chan DS: Arashi wo Sakebunutte Crayon Daisakusen! (Banpresto)
32./11. [DS] Digimon Story: Moonlight (Bandai-Namco)

33./33. [DS] Brain Age (Nintendo)
34./00. [DS] Shin Sangoku Musou DS: Fighters' Battle (Koei)
35./31. [DS] Pokémon Diamond (Pokemon)
36./28. [DS] TOEIC Test Training DS (IE Institute)
37./21. [Wii] Mezase!! Fishing Master (Hudson)

38./36. [DS] Pokémon Pearl (Pokemon)
39./16. [DS] Home Teacher Hitman Reborn! DS (Takara-Tomy)
40./38. [Wii] Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
41./41. [DS] Kanji Test (Rocket Co.)
42./14. [DS] D. Gray-man: The Followers of God (Konami)

43./15. [PS2] Fist of the North Star: Shinban no Futazousei - Kengou Retsuden (Sega)
44./48. [DS] Kanji Brain Test 2M (IE Institute)
45./43. [DS] Kirby Squeek Squad (Nintendo)
46./46. [DS] Love+Berry (Sega)
47./50. [DS] Puyo-Puyo! (Sega)

48./42. [DS] Wario: Master of Disguise (Nintendo)
49./40. [DS] Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On (Marvelous Interactive)
50./35. [DS] Doraemon's New Magic World Adventure DS (Sega)


DS - 35
PS2 - 7
Wii - 4
PSP - 3
PS3 - 1

First Party Published (All Platforms) highlighted - N=16 S=0 M=0
Third Parties on Nintendo Platforms bolded - 23 of 39
Third Parties on Non-Nintendo Platforms italicized - 11 of 11


Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. DS - 110,935 | 80,012 | 2,041,226 | 16,046,905
2. Wii - 52,583 | 51,365 | 1,094,658 | 2,014,301
3. PSP - 31,503 | 39,077 | 716,054 | 5,248,183
4. PS3 - 14,520 | 16,889 | 368,343 | 825,901
5. PS2 - 14,234 | 17,787 | 272,935 | 20,427,794
6. 360 - 2,963 | 3,889 | 81,976 | 346,678
7. GBA - 1,357 | 1,206 | 30,868 | 15,328,947
8. GC - 255 | 205 | 5,769 | 4,175,237

GBA = 12 GBA + 833 SP + 512 Micro
DS = 90 DS + 110,845 Lite

Looks like Nintendomination has taken a break this week as 6 of the Top 10 are on a Sony platform.    
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 11, 2007, 06:35:19 PM
ALL IS LOST!!!!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on April 11, 2007, 08:59:02 PM
You know, that isn't even funny anymore.  I really tried to laugh, but all I could do was sigh.  We've been doing the same thing for over a year now and it has just gotten old.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 12, 2007, 03:34:25 PM
ALL IS GAINED!!!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

This post brought to you via the Wii Opera Browser!
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Louieturkey on April 12, 2007, 04:06:08 PM
Now that's more like it.  I laughed there.  Keep it up.  Keep it fresh.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2007, 08:09:49 PM
This weeks list is updated, with highlights.

Wii breaks the 2 million mark in Japan, confirming the 6.5+million WW.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 13, 2007, 03:19:39 AM
BnM, may I suggest highlighting third parties and bolding Nintendo?  I'm finding I'm really drown to the highlighting and I know you want to show that third parties do sale.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2007, 03:29:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Ceric
BnM, may I suggest highlighting third parties and bolding Nintendo?  I'm finding I'm really drown to the highlighting and I know you want to show that third parties do sale.
I could do that, as the highlights really do stand out. I wish I could do different colors instead, but I'm not sure if its possible.

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 13, 2007, 03:50:51 AM
Yeah, Different colors be nice.
*shrug*
Ya work with the technology ya got.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2007, 06:02:06 AM
I'll use underline instead of highlight, that should work out alot better.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NeoThunder on April 13, 2007, 07:10:47 AM
I wonder if Sony discontinuing the 20 gig PS3 model has anything to do with the Wii kicking it's ass
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2007, 07:14:34 AM
I think it has more to do that the PS3 isn't really selling well anywhere, and when it does sell, its the 60GB model that sells first. It also doesn't hurt that the 60GB model provides a 'larger profit margin'(read: smaller loss margin) than the 20GB.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 13, 2007, 07:24:19 AM
The problem with the 2 models of the PS3 is that if you buy the 20gb version you can't upgrade to get all the things you didn't get that the 60gb version has (wi-fi and the card reader stuff) where as the two models of the XBox 360 the system itself was the same, just that the core version didn't come with a HDD or wireless controllers, but you could buy both those things and turn your XBox 360 from a Core to a Premium.  

Sony took so much time to make fun of Microsoft for releasing two version then turn around and release two versions of the PS3 and make it impossible to upgrade the cheaper one.

People bought the 60gb version over the 20gb version because of this, I'm sure.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 13, 2007, 09:02:51 AM
Actually I've done it both ways and I like the highlighting better.  I'll show you in a moment expect a PM from me.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: SixthAngel on April 13, 2007, 10:44:40 AM
At least when you get the low end ps3 you aren't required to buy extra memory cards that basically make the prices the same.  If you don't have wireless internet I think the 500 model is a good choice.  Honestly I think that once the price gets this high the the buyers don't really care about saving that extra 100 dollars because they are already spending so much already.  I imagine the 500 model does make them lose significantly more money as well.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 13, 2007, 11:26:07 AM
01./00. [PS2] Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator (Bandai-Namco) - 75,453 / NEW Wiki
02./00. [PSP] Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable (Bandai-Namco) - 58,751 / NEW Wiki
03./05. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 47,566 / 629,459 Wiki
04./07. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 40,891 / 82,052 Wiki
05./02. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 36,168 / 515,803 Wiki
06./03. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 34,933 / 84,645 Wiki
07./09. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 30,807 / 1,315,931 Wiki
08./00. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 (Konami) - 29,944 / NEW Wiki
09./01. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix) - 29,638 / 202,850 Wiki
10./12. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 27,833 / 392,135 Wiki

11./00. [DS] Case Closed! Detective Trainer (Bandai-Namco)  Wiki
12./08. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco)  Wiki
13./00. [PS2] Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 (Bandai-Namco)  Wiki
14./17. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)  Wiki
15./13. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo)  Wiki
16./10. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom)  Wiki
17./00. [PS2] Rakushou! Pachislo Sengen 5: Rio Paradise (Tecmo)  Wiki
18./06. [DS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture (Bandai-Namco)  Wiki
19./22. [DS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)  Wiki
20./04. [DS] Digimon Story: Sunburst (Bandai-Namco)  Wiki
21./23. [DS] More Brain Age (Nintendo)  Wiki
22./24. [DS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo)  Wiki
23./20. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami)  Wiki
24./19. [DS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix)  Wiki
25./34. [DS] SimCity DS (EA)  Wiki
26./00. [DS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan)  Wiki
27./18. [DS] Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Goku Legend (Bandai-Namco)  Wiki
28./30. [DS] English Training (Nintendo)  Wiki
29./27. [DS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo)  Wiki
30./29. [DS] Super Robot Wars W (Banpresto)  Wiki

31./25. [DS] Crayon Shin-chan DS: Arashi wo Sakebunutte Crayon Daisakusen! (Banpresto)  Wiki
32./11. [DS] Digimon Story: Moonlight (Bandai-Namco)  Wiki
33./33. [DS] Brain Age (Nintendo)  Wiki
34./00. [DS] Shin Sangoku Musou DS: Fighters' Battle (Koei)  Wiki
35./31. [DS] Pokémon Diamond (Pokemon)  Wiki
36./28. [DS] TOEIC Test Training DS (IE Institute)  Wiki
37./21. [Wii] Mezase!! Fishing Master (Hudson)  Wiki
38./36. [DS] Pokémon Pearl (Pokemon)  Wiki
39./16. [DS] Home Teacher Hitman Reborn! DS (Takara-Tomy)  Wiki
40./38. [Wii] Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Nintendo)  Wiki
41./41. [DS] Kanji Test (Rocket Co.)  Wiki
42./14. [DS] D. Gray-man: The Followers of God (Konami)  Wiki
43./15. [PS2] Fist of the North Star: Shinban no Futazousei - Kengou Retsuden (Sega)  Wiki
44./48. [DS] Kanji Brain Test 2M (IE Institute)  Wiki
45./43. [DS] Kirby Squeek Squad (Nintendo)  Wiki
46./46. [DS] Love+Berry (Sega)  Wiki
47./50. [DS] Puyo-Puyo! (Sega)  Wiki
48./42. [DS] Wario: Master of Disguise (Nintendo)  Wiki
49./40. [DS] Harvest Moon: The Island I Grew Up On (Marvelous Interactive)  Wiki
50./35. [DS] Doraemon's New Magic World Adventure DS (Sega)  Wiki



# of Games Sold by System (Currently in no order):
Wii- 4 games
DS- 35 games
GBA- 0 games
PS3- 1 games
PS2- 7 games
PSP- 3 games
XBox 360- 0 games

Number of New Games: 8 games

# First Party Games Split by Company
Nintendo: 16
Sony: 0
Microsoft: 0

First to Third Party Number and Ratios by Company
23 out of 39 or 58% of games Published for a Nintendo System were 3rd Party.
11 out of 11 or 100% of games Published for a Sony System were 3rd Party.

Disclaimer: All of the above non-Media Create links and data was auto-generated from the Media Create Data.  Therefore the accuracy of the links have not been verified


First off I'm not trying to outstage BnM.  I appreciate what he does so much that I am trying to simplify his life.  The above is generated from a program that I've been working on all day by accident.  I started just doing little things to test some stuff out for a bigger program I'm doing for work.  Next thing I knew it was the end of the work day and I had something that took the raw Media Create numbered list and generated this.  Its alpha because there is no redundancy, exception handling, etc.  I was just wondering what you guys think.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2007, 11:51:36 AM
Wow, that looks nice, even with links and everything. thats impressive.... I guess I'm no longer needed here

*wanders off into sunset, and doesn't look back*


j/k, I like that setup, explain how it works and I'll definately use it.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: cubist on April 13, 2007, 12:37:41 PM
Curious to see if Home will generate any momentum.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 13, 2007, 12:56:43 PM
Shouldn't we wait until Home comes out this FALL before seeing if it has any impact?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 13, 2007, 03:07:19 PM
Has anyone seen the "unofficial" NPD numbers for last month? Rumor has it Wii sold 400,000, Xbox 360. PS2, and DS sold 250,000, PSP sold 210,000, and PS3 sold a measly 165,000, tied with GBA (Nintendo, please KILL this beast!). Wii outsells PS3 2.4:1.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 13, 2007, 03:21:57 PM
Those numbers, Brandogg, are Michael Pachter's estimates, if I recall correctly. I don't think any of the systems will actually reach those predictions.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on April 13, 2007, 03:59:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Brandogg

tied with GBA (Nintendo, please KILL this beast!)
Why does Nintendo need to kill the GBA? It's not like they need to gain ground over the PSP... If a certain subsection of consumers don't want a DS yet (because it's more expensive) what's the harm in selling them a GBA? Some people don't need the latest and greatest.

Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 13, 2007, 05:21:48 PM
Ah, guess I misread the quote. I thought only the actual sales in $ were an estimate based on actual NPD numbers.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2007, 10:27:29 AM
You know the parsing thing I'm working on.  I'm giving it some cool features but they don't fully work because of the Japanese nature of the games.  Then I got to thinking with the NPD numbers all of that sort of thing would be eliminated by virtue of the American numbers.  I can't seem to find a list in there regular format so I can parse it and add the links.  Also I wish those numbers came out weekly.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on April 15, 2007, 11:30:14 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ceric
I was just wondering what you guys think.


Would it be possible to get rid of the highlighting feature? I'm afraid it's really straining on the eyes when trying to look at the titles inbetween them.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2007, 11:55:51 AM
It wouldn't be that hard at all.  Though I like the look of the highlight better then the underline alternative.

Edit:  Scratch that I went back and looked at the new features I added to the parser... heres the legend for it as of right now.

Quote


Game- Nintendo System Third Party
Game- Nintendo System First Party
Game-Sony System
Game- Microsoft System



I'm using underline to symbolize Microsoft system games because I wanted it to be less one sided.  I even thought about bolding the First party of theirs as well and thought it looked to confusing.  If everyone would prefer I could ditch the underlining of Microsoft system, reallocate that to Third Parties, and keep Sony and Microsoft looking the same.  In all actuality it would matter more on the NPD numbers but they don't give the publisher so I could use the scheme for that possibly if I get a copy of the numbers.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on April 15, 2007, 09:42:02 PM
Don't use bold or highlight, makes the whole thing hard to read.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2007, 10:24:43 PM
I don't think bold is bad at all, but highlights tends to be a little too much, thats why I only hihglighted the (Nintendo) or (Pokemon) as the 1st party publishers.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2007, 03:17:21 AM
*shrug*
I find it pretty easy to read but if you want it changed just let me know what you want it changed to.  As mentioned before colors be best but we can't do that.  I could mark them with a symbol to differentiate them but I think that would mess up the spacing.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2007, 04:16:22 AM
Quote


16./10. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom)| |Wiki
17./00. [PS2] Rakushou! Pachislo Sengen 5: Rio Paradise (Tecmo)||Wiki
18./06. [DS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki
19./22. [DS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) || Wiki
20./04. [DS] Digimon Story: Sunburst (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki
21./23. [DS] More Brain Age (Nintendo) || Wiki
22./24. [DS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo) || Wiki
23./20. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) || Wiki
24./19. [DS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix) || Wiki
25./34. [DS] SimCity DS (EA) || Wiki
26./00. [DS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan) || Wiki
27./18. [DS] Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Goku Legend (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki
28./30. [DS] English Training (Nintendo) || Wiki
29./27. [DS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo) || Wiki
30./29. [DS] Super Robot Wars W (Banpresto) || Wiki



How about something like that?

Game- Nintendo System
Game- Sony System
Game- Microsoft System
- First Party
- Third Parties
- Ranked in the top ten I think for the month (Second number)
- New game

I'm not to fond of the || bars but they're needed for seperation.  Though the icons probably need moved somewhere different I do want them before the links.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: KDR_11k on April 16, 2007, 05:15:56 AM
Ooooh, electronic kanji drills! Didn't know the DS could work as a power tool.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on April 16, 2007, 05:37:40 AM
Honestly, I think the chart is waaay to busy. The differentiation that bolding, italicizing, underlining, give is destroyed when everything is bolded, underlined, or italicized.

So just pick one or two things that should standout. Maybe you just want to italicize non-wii and non-DS games since they are more rare in the list. But, making weblinks out of the Publisher does look nice and helps them standout. (I think i'd get rid of the Wiki link)
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mikintosh on April 16, 2007, 06:20:06 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
But, making weblinks out of the Publisher does look nice and helps them standout. (I think i'd get rid of the Wiki link)


Or making putting that link connected to the name of the game itself, 'cause the little "Wiki" thing to the side is a bit distracting (but I like being able to go to the entry fast).
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2007, 06:53:32 AM
I was originally going to just use the name of the game but, then you can't really do the formatting.

Quote

Honestly, I think the chart is waaay to busy.

Which is a shame because I sort of got carried away this weekend and yeah... This is sort of what resulted

Original Data:
Quote


01./00. [PS2] Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator (Bandai-Namco) - 75,453 / NEW
02./00. [PSP] Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable (Bandai-Namco) - 58,751 / NEW
03./05. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 47,566 / 629,459
04./07. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 40,891 / 82,052
05./02. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 36,168 / 515,803
06./03. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 34,933 / 84,645
07./09. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 30,807 / 1,315,931
08./00. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 (Konami) - 29,944 / NEW
09./01. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix) - 29,638 / 202,850
10./12. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 27,833 / 392,135

11./00. [DS] Case Closed! Detective Trainer (Bandai-Namco)
12./08. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco)
13./00. [PS2] Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 (Bandai-Namco)
14./17. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
15./13. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo)



Parsed Data:
Quote


01./00. [PS2] Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator (Bandai-Namco) - 75,453 / NEW|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
02./00. [PSP] Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable (Bandai-Namco) - 58,751 / NEW|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
03./05. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 47,566 / 629,459|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
04./07. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 40,891 / 82,052|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
05./02. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 36,168 / 515,803|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
06./03. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 34,933 / 84,645|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
07./09. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 30,807 / 1,315,931|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
08./00. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 (Konami) - 29,944 / NEW|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
09./01. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix) - 29,638 / 202,850|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
10./12. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 27,833 / 392,135|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly

11./00. [DS] Case Closed! Detective Trainer (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
12./08. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
13./00. [PS2] Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
14./17. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
15./13. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly

# of Games Sold by System (Currently in no order):
Wii- 2 games
DS- 6 games
GBA- 0 games
PS3- 0 games
PS2- 5 games
PSP- 2 games
XBox 360- 0 games

Number of New Games: 5 games

# First Party Games Split by Company
Nintendo: 5
Sony: 0
Microsoft: 0

First to Third Party Number and Ratios by Company
3 out of 8 or 37% of games Published for a Nintendo System were 3rd Party.
7 out of 7 or 100% of games Published for a Sony System were 3rd Party.

Legend:

Game- Nintendo System
Game- Sony System
Game- Microsoft System
- First Party
- Third Parties
- Ranked in the top ten I think for the month (Second number)
- New game
Wiki- Possible Wikipedia Entry
GStat- Possible GameStats Entry
G.Vid- Possible Videos using the AOL Video Search
YTube- Possible Videos on Youtube (Even though G.Vid also searches YouTube its a little slow to update)
GFly- Possible Gamefly entry

Disclaimer: All of the above non-Media Create links and data was auto-generated from the Media Create Data.  Therefore the accuracy of the links have not been verified




Which I learned a lot of cool things doing this though.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mikintosh on April 16, 2007, 11:58:53 AM
Man, that stuff is very interesting, but it kinda overshadows the names of the games itself. Nice emoticons, tho
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 16, 2007, 12:12:57 PM
Click the YTube link on KH.  The first video is the new secret ending.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 18, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
New Mediacreate numbers for Japan are out. I'd post 'em, but I don't got fancy parsers like you guys do! &P

Oh, and supposedly we get March NPD data for USA sometime Thursday or sumtin'?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 18, 2007, 04:07:12 PM
Last I heard BnM was doing computer upgrades and his connection to the internet wasn't stable.   So I've got the fancy parser if the numbers are in the same form or if you guys want to wait for BnM thats cool to.  In all actuality the links be consistently more useful for the NPD data.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 18, 2007, 04:24:39 PM
Ceric, I happen to love your noisy, fancy, highlight bolding KERRRAZY parser!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 18, 2007, 06:08:40 PM
Media Create April 9th - April 15th

01./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright 4 (Capcom) - 250,186 / NEW|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
02./00. [DS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo) - 92,017 / NEW|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
03./07. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 41,035 / 1,356,966|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
04./03. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 40,974 / 670,432|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
05./15. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 28,394 / 1,147,811|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
06./10. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 25,548 / 417,682|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
07./06. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 25,264 / 109,909|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
08./05. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 23,067 / 538,869|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
09./04. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 19,816 / 101,868|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
10./00. [DS] My Relakkuma (Rocket Co.) - 18,734 / NEW|| Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly

11./14. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
12./00. [PS2] gRimgRiMoiRe (Nippon Ichi Software) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
13./12. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
14./01. [PS2] Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
15./16. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
16./09. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
17./02. [PSP] Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
18./21. [DS] More Brain Age (Nintendo) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
19./19. [DS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
20./08. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 (Konami) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
21./22. [DS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
22./28. [DS] English Training (Nintendo) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
23./33. [DS] Brain Age (Nintendo) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
24./11. [DS] Case Closed! Detective Trainer (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
25./18. [DS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
26./26. [DS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
27./29. [DS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
28./24. [DS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
29./13. [PS2] Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly
30./20. [DS] Digimon Story: Sunburst (Bandai-Namco) || Wiki GStats G.Vids YTube GFly

# of Games Sold by System (Currently in no order):
Wii- 2 games
DS- 19 games
GBA- 0 games
PS3- 0 games
PS2- 6 games
PSP- 3 games
XBox 360- 0 games

Number of New Games: 4 games

# First Party Games Split by Company
Nintendo: 12
Sony: 0
Microsoft: 0

First to Third Party Number and Ratios by Company
9 out of 21 or 42% of games Published for a Nintendo System were 3rd Party.
9 out of 9 or 100% of games Published for a Sony System were 3rd Party.

Legend:

Game- Nintendo System
Game- Sony System
Game- Microsoft System
- First Party
- Third Parties
- Ranked in the top ten I think for the month (Second number)
- New game
Wiki- Possible Wikipedia Entry
GStat- Possible GameStats Entry
G.Vid- Possible Videos using the AOL Video Search
YTube- Possible Videos on Youtube (Even though G.Vid also searches YouTube its a little slow to update)
GFly- Possible Gamefly entry

Disclaimer: All of the above non-Media Create links and data was auto-generated from the Media Create Data.  Therefore the accuracy of the links have not been verified


Allright, it took quite a few tries but I finally got it to work right.
Hookid on pahonics werkid fer me
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on April 18, 2007, 06:13:04 PM
Oh Jesus, the internets just imploded!


....anyway, nice to see, what looks to be, 8/10 of the top ten going back to Nintendo titles, with two of those being for the Wii... sadly those are also the only two Wii titles on the chart.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on April 18, 2007, 06:25:16 PM
Someone really needs to explain to me what exactly Love & Berry and Professor Layton are..

Also, how the hell is Phoenix Wright doing so well? What were the sales of the previous games? Good news regardless. Super Paper Mario will be on the charts next week in Japan.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 18, 2007, 06:28:51 PM
I'm sad at Sonic's low sales in Japan. Sega needs all the encouragement to TRY it can get!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on April 18, 2007, 06:29:29 PM
1. GBA Gyakuten Saiban 2 (2002/10/18) 176,953
2. GBA Gyakuten Saiban 3 (2004/01/23) 173,336
3. DS Gyakuten Saiban Yomigaeru Gyakuten Best Price! (2006/06/15) 148,552
4. GBA Gyakuten Saiban Best Price! (2002/10/18) 129,630
5. DS Gyakuten Saiban Yomigaeru Gyakuten (incl. ltd. ed.) (2005/09/15) 128,842
6. DS Gyakuten Saiban 2 Best Price! (2006/10/26) 111,485
7. GBA Gyakuten Saiban 2 Best Price! (2003/12/19) 101,388
8. GBA Gyakuten Saiban 3 Best Price! (2004/10/01) 68,181
9. GBA Gyakuten Saiban (2001/10/12) 58,877

Impressive!
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 18, 2007, 06:56:25 PM
test post, apparently I didn't follow the instuctions.

edit: I got it to work finally, i had to close everything and start from the beginning, this time following the ver simple instructions on how to use the damn parser

Parser = 1
BNM = -3  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 19, 2007, 03:59:47 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ceric
- Ranked in the top ten I think for the month (Second number)

I'm pretty sure the second number is the game's position on the previous chart.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 19, 2007, 04:55:45 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: PartyBear
Quote

Originally posted by: Ceric
- Ranked in the top ten I think for the month (Second number)

I'm pretty sure the second number is the game's position on the previous chart.


Now that I got the data side by side Methinks your right.  I'll fix it in the little parser.

Quote

Originally posted by: IceCold
Someone really needs to explain to me what exactly Love & Berry and Professor Layton are..

Also, how the hell is Phoenix Wright doing so well? What were the sales of the previous games? Good news regardless. Super Paper Mario will be on the charts next week in Japan.


If you click the YTube link on Professor Layton there is a trailer there and there is also a Wiki article about it from the Wiki link, Shorting Professor to Prof. messed it up originally.  It looks to be an anime on the DS with Mystery Puzzle solving.  Looks sort of intriguing to me.

Edit:  It also seems to be the first part of a series and it has a GameStats page with links to a few previews.

Also Love and Berry Wiki
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2007, 06:50:12 AM
Normally I would edit these into the charts, but now it's would make it a little too hard to read considering everthing that is going on with the charts now.

More MC numbers

Wii:
WarioWare: Smooth Moves?5,000?385,000
Mezase!! Tsuri Master?4,000?29,000
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess?3,000?436,000
Pokémon Battle Revolution?3,000?255,000
Fire Emblem: Akatsuki no Megami?3,000?127,000
Bomberland Wii?2,000?23,000
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2?2,000?123,000
Sonic and the Secret Rings?1,000?22,000

DS
Hotel Dusk: Room 215?2,000+?189,000
Kotoba no Puzzle: Mojipittan DS?17,000-?217,000
Super Robot Taisen W?7,000-?244,000
Final Fantasy III?2,000-?1,013,000
Tetris DS?4,000-?1,100,000
Shin Sangoku Musou DS: Fighter's Battle?4,000-?12,000
Digimon Story Sunburst?8,000-?71,000
Digimon Story Moonlight?5,000-?43,000
Harvest Moon DS 2?4,000-?208,000
Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day?9,000+?3,330,000
Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker?9,000-?1,315,000
Tokimeki Memorial: Girl's Side: 1st Love?2,000-?44,000
Professor Layton?26,000-?418,000
Kirby Squeak Squad?3,000+?959,000
Lost in Blue 2?2,000+?31,000
Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Densetsu?7,000?106,000
Oshare Majo Love and Berry ?4,000?941,000
Heroes of Mana?2,000?40,000

PSP
Monster Hunter Portable 2nd?15,000?1,122,000
Kidou Senshi Gundam Seed: Rengou vs. Z.A.F.T. Portable?15,000-?74,000

PS3
Pro Baseball Spirits 4?6,000?40,000
Gundam Musou?3,000?246,000
Winning Post 7 Maximum 2007?1,000?11,000

Xbox360
No game in top 100.

Unconfirmed Hardware #'s:

DSL 123814
Wii? 68566
PSP?22720
PS2?12721
PS3?11970
360? 3067  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on April 19, 2007, 07:01:49 AM
Jeez ... BnM, how about just posting the plain, ol' boring chart for those of us who don't like having our eyeballs bleed when trying to read the new format?  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 19, 2007, 07:06:07 AM
Nearly half a million copies of TP sold in Japan...

I know it ain't the same numbers as US and Europe ones, and the Wii series pretty much dominates Japan, but still, that ain't nothing to scoff about and is a good number, especially for a gamer series like Zelda.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2007, 07:18:24 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: vudu
Jeez ... BnM, how about just posting the plain, ol' boring chart for those of us who don't like having our eyeballs bleed when trying to read the new format?  

But Ceric put so much effort into the auto parser. I admit, the charts a little too "busy" now and with ads on the side of the screen it doens't format quite right, but if you really want I can post the #'s the old way too.

Media Create April 9th - April 15th

01./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright 4 (Capcom) - 250,186 / NEW
02./00. [DS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo) - 92,017 / NEW
03./07. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 41,035 / 1,356,966
04./03. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 40,974 / 670,432
05./15. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 28,394 / 1,147,811
06./10. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 25,548 / 417,682
07./06. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 25,264 / 109,909
08./05. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 23,067 / 538,869
09./04. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 19,816 / 101,868

10./00. [DS] My Relakkuma (Rocket Co.) - 18,734 / NEW

11./14. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
12./00. [PS2] gRimgRiMoiRe (Nippon Ichi Software)
13./12. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco)
14./01. [PS2] Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator (Bandai-Namco)
15./16. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom)
16./09. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix)
17./02. [PSP] Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable (Bandai-Namco)

18./21. [DS] More Brain Age (Nintendo)
19./19. [DS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
20./08. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 (Konami)
21./22. [DS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo)
22./28. [DS] English Training (Nintendo)
23./33. [DS] Brain Age (Nintendo)
24./11. [DS] Case Closed! Detective Trainer (Bandai-Namco)
25./18. [DS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture (Bandai-Namco)
26./26. [DS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan)

27./29. [DS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo)
28./24. [DS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix)
29./13. [PS2] Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 (Bandai-Namco)
30./20. [DS] Digimon Story: Sunburst (Bandai-Namco)

DS - 19
PS2 - 6
PSP - 3
Wii - 2

First Party Published (All Platforms) highlighted - N=12 S=0 M=0
Third Parties on Nintendo Platforms bolded - 9 of 21
Third Parties on Non-Nintendo Platforms italicized - 9 of 9
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Blue Plant on April 19, 2007, 07:18:29 AM
I'd love for there to be a survey done of current Wii owners in Japan to see what demographic they fit.  

It certainly seems like most of them are of the new-gamer crowd with Wii Sports and Wii Play being the beefy sellers, though it would still be nice to know for sure. Wii Sports is great stuff that everyone can enjoy, but the lower numbers of Zelda, Pokémon, and even WarioWare baffle...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: vudu on April 19, 2007, 07:24:32 AM
Honestly, I'd be happiest without any formatting at all.

Media Create April 9th - April 15th

01./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright 4 (Capcom) - 250,186 / NEW
02./00. [DS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo) - 92,017 / NEW
03./07. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 41,035 / 1,356,966
04./03. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 40,974 / 670,432
05./15. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 28,394 / 1,147,811
06./10. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 25,548 / 417,682
07./06. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 25,264 / 109,909
08./05. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 23,067 / 538,869
09./04. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 19,816 / 101,868
10./00. [DS] My Relakkuma (Rocket Co.) - 18,734 / NEW

11./14. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
12./00. [PS2] gRimgRiMoiRe (Nippon Ichi Software)
13./12. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco)
14./01. [PS2] Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator (Bandai-Namco)
15./16. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom)
16./09. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix)
17./02. [PSP] Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable (Bandai-Namco)
18./21. [DS] More Brain Age (Nintendo)
19./19. [DS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
20./08. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 (Konami)
21./22. [DS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo)
22./28. [DS] English Training (Nintendo)
23./33. [DS] Brain Age (Nintendo)
24./11. [DS] Case Closed! Detective Trainer (Bandai-Namco)
25./18. [DS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture (Bandai-Namco)
26./26. [DS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan)
27./29. [DS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo)
28./24. [DS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix)
29./13. [PS2] Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 (Bandai-Namco)
30./20. [DS] Digimon Story: Sunburst (Bandai-Namco)

DS - 19
PS2 - 6
PSP - 3
Wii - 2

First Party Published (All Platforms) highlighted - N=12 S=0 M=0
Third Parties on Nintendo Platforms bolded - 9 of 21
Third Parties on Non-Nintendo Platforms italicized - 9 of 9
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on April 19, 2007, 07:28:39 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: vudu
Honestly, I'd be happiest without any formatting at all.


At this point, I would have to agree.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2007, 07:36:58 AM
well we can't please everyone now can we.
Besides , no formatting looks so boring and takes almost no effort on my part.
I sent some suggestions to Ceric for his Parser 1.2, which suggested he get rid of most of the stuff going on and just keep it simpler for easier and quicker viewing.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on April 19, 2007, 07:41:58 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
well we can't please everyone now can we.
Besides , no formatting looks so boring and takes almost no effort on my part.
I sent some suggestions to Ceric for his Parser 1.2, which suggested he get rid of most of the stuff going on and just keep it simpler for easier and quicker viewing.


I'd be fine with just Nintendo systems bolded, and others not.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on April 19, 2007, 08:25:30 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Media Create April 9th - April 15th

01./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright 4 (Capcom) - 250,186 / NEW
02./00. [DS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo) - 92,017 / NEW
03./07. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 41,035 / 1,356,966
04./03. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 40,974 / 670,432
05./15. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 28,394 / 1,147,811
06./10. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 25,548 / 417,682
07./06. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 25,264 / 109,909
08./05. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 23,067 / 538,869
09./04. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 19,816 / 101,868

10./00. [DS] My Relakkuma (Rocket Co.) - 18,734 / NEW
I think this would be fine, but instead of highlighting Nintendo as the developer. Just linkify the developers. It does make the developer stand out. No Mario M's no Luigi L's, I really think we can figure out who's first party or not.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 19, 2007, 11:51:27 AM
I fixed it par the specifications sent to me.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 19, 2007, 12:50:11 PM
NPD is out...Thanks, GAF...

Quote

HW Sales
Nintendo DS 508K
PlayStation 2 280K
Wii 259K
Xbox 360 199K
PlayStation Portable 180K
Game Boy Advance 148K
PlayStation 3 130K
GameCube 22K
Xbox n/a

PS2 is the highest-selling console, next gen is doomed!

(Ahahaha, just realized the GBA outsold the PS3...Big "Uh oh!" there... )  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on April 19, 2007, 12:53:28 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
NPD is out...Thanks, GAF...


Linkage please.

EDIT: Nevermind:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151743

Quote

Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
(Ahahaha, just realized the GBA outsold the PS3...Big "Uh oh!" there... )


Yep, did it once again, and by an even larger margin. Sadly, the gap between the 360 and the Wii closed a lot.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 19, 2007, 01:02:29 PM
Edit: Oh bloody hell, you go and find the link... =|

360 sold more because of the Elite...
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Arbok on April 19, 2007, 01:07:27 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
360 sold more because of the Elite...


That doesn't come out until later this month...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: ShyGuy on April 19, 2007, 01:34:53 PM
Hmm... so considering Wii is still sold out most places, Nintendo needs to get on the manufacturing ball. THE BALL. ON IT.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mario on April 19, 2007, 01:39:37 PM
GBA VICTORIOUS IN THE EPIC BATTLE FOR 6TH PLACE

CAN GAMECUBE CLOSE THE GAP?

More Wii software sales would be good.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: couchmonkey on April 19, 2007, 01:53:51 PM
Seriously, PS2 is outselling everything, Wii is in second place (even with a noticeable game drought and hardware shortages) and Microsoft's answer is to release a new unit that costs more than the old ones?  The people have spoken, they don't want $400+ game systems.

I think 360 has the potential to creep up there in North America now, Sony fans that need to feel cool and Sony/Nintendo fans that really want next-gen graphics are going to start noticing that you can get all that in 360, and at a much better price than the PS3...which is short on games and keeps losing exclusives to Microsoft.  That said, the gap closage between 360 and Wii has more to do with supply than anything else, I mean, PS2 is #1.
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: IceCold on April 19, 2007, 02:31:19 PM
I wonder how much Godfather sold.. it was only out for half the month though, right?
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 19, 2007, 02:32:35 PM
Obviously since PS2 is outselling Wii that makes Wii a failure.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 19, 2007, 02:58:23 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Obviously since PS2 is outselling Wii that makes Wii a failure.


NINTENDO IS DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!

Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 19, 2007, 03:45:08 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: pap64
Quote

Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Obviously since PS2 is outselling Wii that makes Wii a failure.


NINTENDO IS DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!

http://medaverse.com/files/doomed.jpg


ALL IS GAINED!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 19, 2007, 04:23:59 PM
About the Xbox 360 elite, it's actually basically sold out even before it's been officially released. A lot of people DO want it (I don't) - next month's 360 sales are going to be pretty high.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2007, 06:57:35 PM
Only because I don't have the updated parser yet, here are the complete Top 50 for Media Create

Media Create April 9th - April 15th

01./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright 4 (Capcom) - 250,186 / NEW
02./00. [DS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo) - 92,017 / NEW
03./07. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 41,035 / 1,356,966
04./03. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 40,974 / 670,432
05./15. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 28,394 / 1,147,811
06./10. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 25,548 / 417,682
07./06. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 25,264 / 109,909
08./05. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 23,067 / 538,869
09./04. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 19,816 / 101,868
10./00. [DS] My Relakkuma (Rocket Co.) - 18,734 / NEW

11./14. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
12./00. [PS2] gRimgRiMoiRe (Nippon Ichi Software)
13./12. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco)
14./01. [PS2] Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator (Bandai-Namco)
15./16. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom)
16./09. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix)
17./02. [PSP] Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable (Bandai-Namco)
18./21. [DS] More Brain Age (Nintendo)
19./19. [DS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
20./08. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 (Konami)
21./22. [DS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo)
22./28. [DS] English Training (Nintendo)
23./33. [DS] Brain Age (Nintendo)
24./11. [DS] Case Closed! Detective Trainer (Bandai-Namco)
25./18. [DS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture (Bandai-Namco)
26./26. [DS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan)
27./29. [DS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo)
28./24. [DS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix)
29./13. [PS2] Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 (Bandai-Namco)
30./20. [DS] Digimon Story: Sunburst (Bandai-Namco)

31./27. [DS] Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Goku Legend (Bandai-Namco)
32./35. [DS] Pokémon Diamond (Pokemon)
33./30. [DS] Super Robot Wars W (Banpresto)
34./25. [DS] SimCity DS (EA)
35./23. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami)
36./38. [DS] Pokémon Pearl (Pokemon)
37./31. [DS] Crayon Shin-chan DS: Arashi wo Sakebunutte Crayon Daisakusen! (Banpresto)
38./36. [DS] TOEIC Test Training DS (IE Institute)
39./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright 2 (Capcom)
40./40. [Wii] Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
41./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright: Gyakuten Revival (Capcom)
42./44. [DS] Kanji Brain Test 2M (IE Institute)
43./41. [DS] Kanji Test (Rocket Co.)
44./32. [DS] Digimon Story: Moonlight (Bandai-Namco)
45./00. [DS] 1000 Recipes (Nintendo)
46./17. [PS2] Rakushou! Pachislo Sengen 5: Rio Paradise (Tecmo)
47./00. [DS] Cooking Navi (Nintendo)
48./46. [DS] Love+Berry (Sega)
49./47. [DS] Puyo-Puyo! (Sega)
50./00. [DS] Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2 (Bandai-Namco)

DS - 36
PS2 - 7
PSP - 3
Wii - 3
PS3 - 1

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. DS - 133,471 | 110,935 | 2,174,697 | 16,180,376
2. Wii - 75,759 | 52,583 | 1,170,417 | 2,090,060
3. PSP - 24,850 | 31,503 | 740,904 | 5,273,033
4. PS2 - 12,872 | 14,234 | 285,807 | 20,440,666
5. PS3 - 11,948 | 14,520 | 380,291 | 837,849
6. 360 - 2,900 | 2,963 | 84,876 | 349,578
7. GBA - 1,297 | 1,357 | 32,165 | 15,330,244
8. GC - 167 | 255 | 5,936 | 4,175,404

GBA = 26 GBA + 654 SP + 617 Micro
DS = 146 DS + 133,325 Lite
 
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Shift Key on April 19, 2007, 09:37:03 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Brandogg
About the Xbox 360 elite, it's actually basically sold out even before it's been officially released. A lot of people DO want it (I don't) - next month's 360 sales are going to be pretty high.


Depends on how many are actually made available - its certainly a "limited edition" item. I doubt there is 200,000 of them made available or some huge number like that.

... the 120GB hard drive is tempting though ...
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 19, 2007, 09:37:26 PM
The Wii selling only 259k or so during March in America makes perfect sense when you break that down into the five weeks of the NPD data collecting: 50k a week about. This has been the weekly shipment level quite a lot during Japan's March weeks.

In fact, it seems that Japan and America are getting quite even shipments! I'm sure there will be differences and such, but Japanese numbers seem as good a starting point as any when guesstimating US monthly shipments.

Currently, Japan is saving up for Golden Week, big shopping holiday of Christmas proportions. which will be the first week of May if I'm correct. We should probably expect a huge shipment of Wiis to hit then...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: nitsu niflheim on April 20, 2007, 03:17:53 AM
11,948 PS3 sold is good for sony, it means that they didn't sell out and you know how they hate sell outs.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2007, 04:25:20 AM
Those NeoGaf NPD numbers are horrendously formatted...

Quote


Source:NeoGaf's NPD numbers
HW Sales

  1. Nintendo DS 508K
  2. PlayStation 2 280K
  3. Wii 259K
  4. Xbox 360 199K
  5. PlayStation Portable 180K
  6. Game Boy Advance 148K
  7. PlayStation 3 130K
  8. GameCube 22K
  9. Xbox n/a



Top 10 SW

  1. [PS2] God Of War Ii 833k
  2. [360] Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 394k
  3. [360] Guitar Hero 2 W/ Guitar 291k
  4. [Wii] Wii Play W/ Remote 273k
  5. [PS3] Motorstorm 199k
  6. [NDS] Diddy Kong Racing 189k
  7. [NDS] Spectrobes 165k
  8. [360] Major League Baseball 2k7 165k
  9. [PS2] MLB '07: The Show 164k
  10. [360] Def Jam Icon 148k





That took all of 2 minutes... (I would change the capitilization to because yelling annoys me...)

Anyways.  I'm surprised the Gamecube sold 22,000.  I figure it be totally dead.
Wow, on the GoW:2 #'s.  (Though with as many pre-orders as Pokemon has if Nintendo ships enough units it may beat that number in half the time...)

Edit: Ok, I forgot I could just dump the contents into Word and tell it to format->Change Case then select Title Case...  
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Artimus on April 20, 2007, 05:01:04 AM
Quote

Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. DS - 133,471 | 110,935 | 2,174,697 | 16,180,376
2. Wii - 75,759 | 52,583 | 1,170,417 | 2,090,060
3. PSP - 24,850 | 31,503 | 740,904 | 5,273,033
4. PS2 - 12,872 | 14,234 | 285,807 | 20,440,666
5. PS3 - 11,948 | 14,520 | 380,291 | 837,849
6. 360 - 2,900 | 2,963 | 84,876 | 349,578
7. GBA - 1,297 | 1,357 | 32,165 | 15,330,244
8. GC - 167 | 255 | 5,936 | 4,175,404


It's baffling that a system with no new games can sell 75,000 five months after release before becoming a phoenominon. Even the DS wasn't that strong doing its initial quiet spell.

Someone needs to remake the prints money thing with Iwata instead of the DS.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2007, 06:09:44 AM
The Wii is a HOT commodity right now (along with DS of course), so everyone must own one or you cannot call yourself Japanese. Besides if you were gonna get one you should try to do so before the stupendously long lines that would occur during Golden Week, and since SPM just came out, the sooner you get yours the better.

If Nintendo keeps this controller shortage going for long enough, they can also keep Wii Play selling very well. I wouldn't be surprised if when they come out with new controller colors, they release new version of WiiPlay to go with them. WiiPlay 2.0 with more updated Atari games, and controller demos.

As far as the NPD #'s go though, there is not very much to discuss there other than the fact that PS2 beat the Wiii lolzers!!!111 but we all know the Wii is very supply constrained and Nintendo really needed to turn up their manufacturing power. We won't see what happens with that until April NPD, so the wait is back on. PS3 gets beat by the GBA again LOLZERS!!!1111oneone!!11 har har har. I'm almost starting to feel bad for what Sony has done to the Playstation brand. I'm very tempted to see the amount of hilarity that must be going on over at UK resistance with the release of these NPD #'s.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2007, 01:23:22 PM
Media Create April 9th - April 15th

01./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright 4 (Capcom) - 250,186 /  New!
02./00. [DS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo) - 92,017 /  New!
03./07. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 41,035 / 1,356,966
04./03. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 40,974 / 670,432
05./15. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 28,394 / 1,147,811
06./10. [DS] Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village (Level 5) - 25,548 / 417,682
07./06. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo) - 25,264 / 109,909
08./05. [PS2] Musou Orochi (Koei) - 23,067 / 538,869
09./04. [PS2] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami) - 19,816 / 101,868
10./00. [DS] My Relakkuma (Rocket Co.) - 18,734 /  New!

11./14. [DS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
12./00. [PS2] gRimgRiMoiRe (Nippon Ichi Software) New!
13./12. [DS] Word Puzzle Mojipittan DS (Bandai-Namco)
14./01. [PS2] Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator (Bandai-Namco)
15./16. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom)
16./09. [PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ (Square-Enix)
17./02. [PSP] Gundam SEED Alliance vs. ZAFT Portable (Bandai-Namco)
18./21. [DS] More Brain Age (Nintendo)
19./19. [DS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
20./08. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 2 (Konami)
21./22. [DS] Animal Crossing Wild World (Nintendo)
22./28. [DS] English Training (Nintendo)
23./33. [DS] Brain Age (Nintendo)
24./11. [DS] Case Closed! Detective Trainer (Bandai-Namco)
25./18. [DS] Tamagotchi's Splendid Rainbow-venture (Bandai-Namco)
26./26. [DS] DS Kageyama Method Electronic Kanji Drills (Shogakukan)
27./29. [DS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo)
28./24. [DS] Dragon Quest Monsters Joker (Square-Enix)
29./13. [PS2] Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 (Bandai-Namco)
30./20. [DS] Digimon Story: Sunburst (Bandai-Namco)

31./27. [DS] Dragon Ball Z: Harukanaru Goku Legend (Bandai-Namco)
32./35. [DS] Pokémon Diamond (Pokemon)
33./30. [DS] Super Robot Wars W (Banpresto)
34./25. [DS] SimCity DS (EA)
35./23. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 4 (Konami)
36./38. [DS] Pokémon Pearl (Pokemon)
37./31. [DS] Crayon Shin-chan DS: Arashi wo Sakebunutte Crayon Daisakusen! (Banpresto)
38./36. [DS] TOEIC Test Training DS (IE Institute)
39./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright 2 (Capcom) New!
40./40. [Wii] Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
41./00. [DS] Phoenix Wright: Gyakuten Revival (Capcom) New!
42./44. [DS] Kanji Brain Test 2M (IE Institute)
43./41. [DS] Kanji Test (Rocket Co.)
44./32. [DS] Digimon Story: Moonlight (Bandai-Namco)
45./00. [DS] 1000 Recipes (Nintendo) New!
46./17. [PS2] Rakushou! Pachislo Sengen 5: Rio Paradise (Tecmo)
47./00. [DS] Cooking Navi (Nintendo) New!
48./46. [DS] Love+Berry (Sega)
49./47. [DS] Puyo-Puyo! (Sega)
50./00. [DS] Iron Left Brain: Mistake Museum 2 (Bandai-Namco)  New!

Media Create Hardware Numbers:

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. DS - 133,471 | 110,935 | 2,174,697 | 16,180,376
2. Wii - 75,759 | 52,583 | 1,170,417 | 2,090,060
3. PSP - 24,850 | 31,503 | 740,904 | 5,273,033
4. PS2 - 12,872 | 14,234 | 285,807 | 20,440,666
5. PS3 - 11,948 | 14,520 | 380,291 | 837,849
6. 360 - 2,900 | 2,963 | 84,876 | 349,578
7. GBA - 1,297 | 1,357 | 32,165 | 15,330,244
8. GC - 167 | 255 | 5,936 | 4,175,404

GBA = 26 GBA + 654 SP + 617 Micro
DS = 146 DS + 133,325 Lite

# of Games Sold by System (Currently in no order):
Wii- 3 games
DS- 36 games
GBA- 0 games
PS3- 1 games
PS2- 7 games
PSP- 3 games
XBox 360- 0 games

Number of New Games: 9 games

# First Party Games Split by Company
Nintendo: 17
Sony: 0
Microsoft: 0

First to Third Party Number and Ratios by Company
22 out of 39 or 56% of games Published for a Nintendo System were 3rd Party.
11 out of 11 or 100% of games Published for a Sony System were 3rd Party.

Legend:

Game- Nintendo System
Game- Sony System
Game- Microsoft System

Disclaimer: All of the above non-Media Create links and data was auto-generated from the Media Create Data.  Therefore the accuracy of the links have not been verified

Alright, Things fell together quicker then I thought.  This is the newest version of the parsing with 37 Minutes to spare.  It needs some work because methinks there some false positives on the new now...  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2007, 01:32:48 PM
Oooohhh... pretty...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: 31 Flavas on April 20, 2007, 02:13:32 PM
Yea, looks great. Too bad linkified text can only be one color.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 20, 2007, 02:23:13 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
Yea, looks great. Too bad linkified text can only be one color.


Yeah, you said it.  I rather get rid of the underlines and color code the beast myself.  Put a footnote that they are all links and call it a day.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Mikintosh on April 20, 2007, 08:29:09 PM
Quote

Originally posted by: Ceric
Quote

Originally posted by: 31 Flavas
Yea, looks great. Too bad linkified text can only be one color.


Yeah, you said it.  I rather get rid of the underlines and color code the beast myself.  Put a footnote that they are all links and call it a day.


I kinda like the uniform blue; my eyes look to the system names anyway.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Kairon on April 21, 2007, 11:54:25 AM
I think we can garner even more U.S. game sales data from released charts...

This is the original source of the charts...

Here I'm posting the Wii portion...

Quote


And now the console charts, all of which are ranked by gross income.

...

Wii

1) Wii Play With Remote - $13,573,160 grossed; 272,919 units sold
2) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 - $6,048,062 grossed; 121,428 units sold
3) Sonic And The Secret Rings
4) Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
5) Warioware: Smooth Moves
6) Cooking Mama: Cook Off
7) Rayman Raving Rabbids
8) SSX Blur
9) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - $1,454,085 grossed; 29,226 units sold
10) Call of Duty 3 - $1,114,600 grossed; 25,347 units sold

...




If you want to see more Data, like the PS2 charts, or the GC chart which shows that TP(GCN) sold another 45k units on that console in the month, or the XBox chart where Halo 2 sold 49k units, or the expansion-packed PC charts or the XBox360 chart or the PS3 chart where Godfather ranks at #8 even though it's not on the Wii chart... Follow the link to the original source!

That said, We finally get a glimpse of SSX Blur, Raving Rabbids and CoD3 are still sticking in there, I'm happy for Sonic and the Secret Rings, and I REALLY HOPE that EA advertises their games more... which is what some believe is holding back their sales of Godfather or SSX Blur.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Edit: Removed the NeoGAF links since it seems they didn't have any information the source didn't provide.  
Title: RE: Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: Ceric on April 21, 2007, 02:30:23 PM
I wish I had a computer that would do C&C3 justice.  I so want that game.
Title: RE:Official Wii Sales Thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2007, 07:27:14 PM
Thanx to Ceric I now have the new parser that everyone liked, so here goes

Media Create April 16th - 22th

01./00. [Wii] Super Paper Mario (Nintendo) - 144,192 /  New!
02./00. [PS2] Fate/Stay Night (Realta Nua) Kadokawa Shoten - 134,887 /  New!
03./00. [PS2] Persona 3 (Atlus) - 90,369 /  New!
04./00. [DS] Nodame Cantabile (Bandai-Namco) - 50,785 /  New!
05./00. [PSP] Final Fantasy (Square-Enix) - 48,559 /  New!
06./01. [DS] Phoenix Wright 4 (Capcom) - 48,296 / 298,482
07./02. [DS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo) - 46,605 / 138,621
08./03. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 43,822 / 1,400,788
09./05. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 30,818 / 1,178,629
10./04. [DS] Yoshi's Island DS (Nintendo) - 30,815 / 701,247

11./07. [DS] More English Training (Nintendo)
12./00. [DS] Atelier Lise: The Alchemist of Orudôru (Gust)  New!