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Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: razorpit on February 24, 2003, 06:05:36 AM
We now know the Hi-Speed Port is for the GameBoy Player, and Serial Port #1 is for the broadband/modem adapters.  Does any one know what Serial Port #2 is for?  Did Nintendo ever say?  I always thought it looked like it was cut for a standard PC style keyboard plug because it is semi-circle.

--Dave
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Alliedrally68 on February 24, 2003, 07:21:22 AM
Well, I think Nintendo is going to release the ASCII Keyboard Controller soon, but that uses a regular controller port.  I don't know what Nintendo is planning, but hopefully it won't go unused, like the N64's did here in the States.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: RickPowers on February 24, 2003, 07:42:37 AM
It certainly does look like some sort of a cord would come out of that opening, doesn't it?  If Nintendo has plans for that space, it beats me what it would be.  Honestly, I'll be surprised if they release anything for that space.  I'm hoping for a Nintendo keyboard, or better yet, a headset peripheral for voice communication, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 24, 2003, 08:11:35 AM
When companies put in ports like that they don't always know exactly what they'll use it for- they just want to keep their options open. It's typically the way Japanese companies worked- like the book Game Over once said, American companies plan for 10 minutes in the future while Japanese companies plan for 10 years in the future. I bet Nintendo doesn't have anything planned for the port yet, but they know it's there if they ever need it.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 24, 2003, 08:14:02 AM
yeah i guess it might go unused
or wont be anything too big
by the time they could release something the next GCN may be already finished
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: WindyMan on February 24, 2003, 08:26:19 AM
I've been having a few theories as to what may go into this port.

The more obvious theory I've been investigating it the fact that Serial Port 2 is really small.  There was some talk a while back about those micro hard drives that IBM was cooking up, and though those are more like the size of a coin, versions that could fit in that bay under the GameCube are possible.  This would sort of like the HD solution that the Xbox has, or the huge memory card solution that the PS2 has, or perhaps even an Expansion Pak type deal from the N64.  One thing's for sure, whatever it is, it's going to be flush with the bottom of the GameCube once it's installed, since the Game Boy Player takes up the whole rest of the space on the bottom.  (The opening on the side would probably be used for getting a grip on the thing to take it out.)

This is why my second theory is starting to make more sense.  Look at the opening on the side of the GameCube where Serial 2 opens on the left side.  It's different than the two ports on the right side, as they are square-shaped and this one is small and semi-circular.  As you can see from a revealing shot from this side with the GB Player attached, there's absoultely no room whatsoever for a plug to fit into that space comfortably.  It just so happens that this is the same side that has the "storage area" door.

What I'm thinking may be possible is that Serial Port 2 isn't for a small device, but rather, just a connection for a another hardware expansion, ala the Sega CD, 32X, 64DD, etc, but having it docked next to the GC, rather than under it.  Nintendo always wants to leave the doors open for doing this, and the other two hardware pieces they've released haven't done that as of yet.  Now, the big problem with this idea is that the intake vent and fan are on this side, but there's nothing that says it won't be something of a loose, cable-attached device for the system, such as a camera, mat, light gun, or something of that sort.

Of course, there's the age-old theory that it will go unused, which was one of the first things I thought when I saw the underbelly of the GameCube for the first time, but considering that Nintendo has two of those three ports used after only 15 months of the GameCube's retail life, there's still plenty of time to use it.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 24, 2003, 08:33:41 AM
I reallly doubt we'll have another add-on like the 64DD or the Sega CD- history's shown us that they fail almost without exception. In fact, an ill-fated add-on is what caused the Playstation to come into existence in the first place. Besides, I don't think Nintendo wants a repeat of the 64DD disaster- add-ons may make nicer games, but they're just not that practicle.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: nolimit19 on February 24, 2003, 10:54:08 AM
who knows what its for, but i think that the next nintendo console should be able to hook up standard pc keyboards to the console. cuz the price of the gamecube one is way too steep. i kind of hope that its for a hard drive of some sort. if those little sd cards can hold all those amounts of info, an hd that size could hold quite a bit, but the only thing is, i think it would be pretty expensive. so unless nintedo has something that no one is really expecting, or unless they can find really small cheap hard drives, i think it will go unused. well it could always be a ram upgrade.....

what else is a possibility??? i dont know much when it comes to this kid of stuff, but could nintendo put a ram upgrade in that spot?
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: gopher on February 24, 2003, 11:41:31 AM
Mad catz made a keyboard adapter that used a standard pc keyboard for the dreamcast. I hope they make one for the cube.
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Post by: Tael on February 24, 2003, 04:22:34 PM
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Originally posted by: gopher
Mad catz made a keyboard adapter that used a standard pc keyboard for the dreamcast. I hope they make one for the cube.

There's already an adapter for PC keyboards, you just have to buy the kit, and build it yourself:
PC Keyboard to Gamecube Adapter
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: VariantX on February 24, 2003, 04:30:24 PM
i hope they decide on a hard drive for that port.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Grey Ninja on February 24, 2003, 05:56:14 PM
It's not a hard drive.  That's what the SD cards were for remember?
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: tomspug on February 24, 2003, 06:13:08 PM
You can bet there'll be more peripherals coming out for the Cube. I mean look! It's been out for one year and we already have a GBA Link Cable, a GBA Player, a Broadband Adapter, Wireless Controllers (GOOD wireless controllers I might add), with a possible keyboard controller and SD Card Adapter on the way. Could Nintendo be more likely to add more peripherals? But I wouldn't bet on a Disk Drive. They'd have to be stupid to release something like that. My point being that we haven't seen this many first-party products for a console since the days of NES! At least, I'm talking time-ratiowise. Who knows what they want to do next?
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: razorpit on February 25, 2003, 04:48:48 AM
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Originally posted by: WindyMan
I've been having a few theories as to what may go into this port.


Look at the opening on the side of the GameCube where Serial 2 opens on the left side.  It's different than the two ports on the right side, as they are square-shaped and this one is small and semi-circular.  As you can see from a revealing shot from this side with the GB Player attached, there's absoultely no room whatsoever for a plug to fit into that space comfortably.  It just so happens that this is the same side that has the "storage area" door.

What I'm thinking may be possible is that Serial Port 2 isn't for a small device, but rather, just a connection for a another hardware expansion, ala the Sega CD, 32X, 64DD, etc, but having it docked next to the GC, rather than under it.  Nintendo always wants to leave the doors open for doing this, and the other two hardware pieces they've released haven't done that as of yet.  Now, the big problem with this idea is that the intake vent and fan are on this side, but there's nothing that says it won't be something of a loose, cable-attached device for the system, such as a camera, mat, light gun, or something of that sort.



I never realized how small that opening becomes once the GameBoy Player is add.  Great picture!

I couldn't imagine expansion hardaware coiming out of this thing unless it a cable was going to be plugged in to it.  Anyhting else would be easily broken off by me.  I personally think the GC is a work of art because of how flush all of the add-ons fit seemlessly in to the overall design.  I was thinking maybe Nintendo was originally going to put a barcode scanner on the side ala GameBoy.

--Dave
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: BiLdItUp1 on February 25, 2003, 11:58:37 AM
What about the Game Eye? That has to go somewhere...(check PGC's hardware section...or better yet don't, since you won't learn much)
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 25, 2003, 12:51:05 PM
Game eye? ala put head on PD?
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Post by: mouse_clicker on February 25, 2003, 12:57:48 PM
manunited: It's the same technology I believe (we all know why it was pulled out of PD). Nintendo showed it off last E3 with Stage Debut, where you could put your face on a character and create a little play with them, or something. I don't think Nintendo's really said anything more about it.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Jollus on February 25, 2003, 01:10:46 PM
I would think that if Nintendo was going to release something like face mapping they would do it threw a GBA-Camera.  Just like it would have been done in PD.  A Nintendo GBA-Camera would be really smooth.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Griffin on February 25, 2003, 10:54:16 PM
Isn't Nintendo working on a GBA digital camera? I thought I heard about that somewhere...along with an LCD screen for the cube, which I desperately want! As for staying on topic, I wouldn't be surprised if it never gets used. I'm incredibly surprised that they're using the other two ports, seeing as the NES, SNES, and N64 all had ports on the bottom that never got used (in the US, at least).
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Gamer Donkey on February 26, 2003, 04:10:35 AM
The LCD screens are at Best Buy and other such places. I have one, they're awesome considering the size.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: razorpit on February 26, 2003, 06:35:26 AM
The LCD screens at Best Buy are 3rd party.  Nintendo is working on their own version which is reportedly much nicer.

--Dave
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Tokerev on February 26, 2003, 01:47:49 PM
hopefully, to stay in the console wars, the last port is used for a large capacity storage device. also knows as a hard drive, for simpletons.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: NickNiteQ93 on February 26, 2003, 02:44:10 PM
Man, I never realized that EVERY single major console (which doesn't include Virtual Boy because I didn't own one and dunno if this pertains to it) had an expansion slot.  NES, SNES, N64, and GC all have expansion slots.  What gives?  Oh, and I have no clue as to what the serial port #2 is fer.  if anything it'd have to come out the back because we know the port #1 is for the GB Player.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: mouse_clicker on February 26, 2003, 03:22:59 PM
Like I said, Nick, Japanese companies always plan for far into the future. My Dreamcast and PS2 also have ports that haven't been used. I wonder if the Xbox has an expansion slot.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: razorpit on February 27, 2003, 04:20:37 AM
Yes, it does.  It's for plugging in the service packs!  (Drum roll... Cymbal crash...)    ;-)

(Sorry had to make the joke.)

Actually that is a good question.  Can any X-Box owners answer this?

--Dave
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Nintendork SP on February 27, 2003, 05:39:09 AM
I'll bet you anything it'll be nothing,  I would call it Nintendo's emergency port.  All the system's got one.  The N64's was for the 64DD.  And the one on at least the NES was intended to work like a PC.  And of corse the CD port for the SNES that never came out from Sony.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Jonk on February 27, 2003, 07:09:52 AM
I believe that serial port 2 is for an adapter for networking capabilities that have been talked about from cube to cube. Like the X-box, this is a way to network cubes to play with one another. This is only a guess, but a recent report that I can not remember where it was but can remember reading, it was talking about networking cubes. This also discussed along with Nintendo's possible online plans. Maybe the modem (BB or 56k) can be the networking adapter between cubes. I really don't know how that works.

I am also wondering, does the GB player that attaches to the cube have a port on the bottom of that extending further possibilities of other players (NES, SNES, DVD Player?) or another additions.

I don't know all the techs but are any of those players possible with the present cube?
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Post by: NickNiteQ93 on February 27, 2003, 01:11:58 PM
sounds good.  the connection would come out the back so that it wouldn't interfere with the GB player, whether you have one or not.  I don't know why, but I think instead of adding 5 different ports, why not fill them already?    Give us some kick ass options that no other console has, like a Bagle Bite cooker or something.  But yeah, I realized that most consoles do come with the most unused addon capabilities, but I guess it's good that they're there.  No product is 100% out of box, and with the GC having 3 expansion slots, I think it's a very good idea, seeing as how many different possibilities there could be for additions to an already awesome console.  But anyway, a type of ethernet connection between Cubes seems likely, but couldn't that be done with a Broadband Adapter and a cable?  They could've made the adapters to behave like Hubs.  Who knows.  Wait I got it.  Maybe there's a printer we don't know about, and now we can print out Hott Pictures of Princess Peach in her Panties from Super Smash Brothers: Melle!!  CLICK HERE!   lol   Sorry, had to do it.  Peace
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Post by: Kuchakor on February 27, 2003, 01:42:29 PM
I was thinking that it could be for a battery pack, that both the GCN and LCD screen would use so it would'nt make the cube any bigger.
Unless of course you have a gameboy player.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Tokerev on February 27, 2003, 01:42:34 PM
well, xbox came with pretty much every addon possible for todays systems. And all of ps2's expansions are used. And that didnt come it to use until 2 years after release. I think nintendo isnt stupid, as everyone knows. They would have it there for nothing. The n64used the unused slot, after it was out for about 3 years. I think the port has a firewire/usb type connectivity. That means to me, that they can develop several types of devices for the gamecube. It could be for anything. They planned the first 2, so maybe they added another just incase. So if you had everything plugged in, you would have to unplug something to use this new add-on that everyone is wondering about. But i think the options are open until they absolutely know the most important add-on to stay is the console wars as long as possible.
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Azule on February 27, 2003, 11:29:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Jonk
I believe that serial port 2 is for an adapter for networking capabilities that have been talked about from cube to cube.

that's a good idea, because even though the BBA could do that, I have the modem adapter which cannot do this. I don't want to take it out and replace it to do LAN, but if Nintendo sold a simple adapter for a much lower price, everything would be right in the world when those LAN games they talked about are released.
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Post by: Super_Brother on February 28, 2003, 11:14:16 AM
Four GC's linked up would be fantastic, perhaps serial port 2 is for networking. Also the Wavebird currently has 16 channels - why would you need that many when you can only currently plug in four Wavebirds on channels 1,2,3 and 4? Perhaps this is evidence of four GC's with 16 player Wavebird frenzy? Imagine 16 player Smash Bros. - too good to be true!
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Post by: Azule on February 28, 2003, 02:52:45 PM
There are 16 in order to avoid signal interference. Only in the best condition possible could all 16 be used. Would be nice though, but regular controllers are still good and 16 players could do some LAN.
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Post by: Gamer Donkey on February 28, 2003, 03:26:27 PM
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I was thinking that it could be for a battery pack, that both the GCN and LCD screen would use so it would'nt make the cube any bigger.



I thought that too, but I checked and the battery packs just plug to the regular power inlet.  
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Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 28, 2003, 05:43:43 PM
First, Azule a modem does not put out nearly enough bandwith to make a signal on it to work, sorry.

2nd, this is far to small to reall work as a hub/ router. Unless Nintendo is planning on having it come out the side and have the ethernet slots right there, it would do no good. The microphone idea still sounds the most likely to me.  
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Post by: Azule on February 28, 2003, 11:42:58 PM
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Originally posted by: manunited4eva22
First, Azule a modem does not put out nearly enough bandwith to make a signal on it to work, sorry.

You talking about the BBA or modem? why couldn't either have enough bandwith, it works with PSO online, why not a direct LAN?
Title: What are the plans for Serial Port #2?
Post by: Hemmorrhoid on March 01, 2003, 01:08:36 AM
Do GCN from all regions have the same input (electricity)?

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Post by: theaveng on March 01, 2003, 01:35:19 AM
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Originally posted by: NickNiteQ93
Man, I never realized that EVERY single major console (which doesn't include Virtual Boy because I didn't own one and dunno if this pertains to it) had an expansion slot.  NES, SNES, N64, and GC all have expansion slots.  


Not "every major console" has an expansion slot.  Atari 2600 (most popular console of early 80's) did not have any.
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Post by: manunited4eva22 on March 01, 2003, 05:55:37 AM
The fault lays in RJ11, as it was never designed to support networking. RJ12/45 are derivatives that were designed for networking. Although some phone jacks (like in new homes) can support 10baseT, they will be out dated sooner or later because RJ12 was developed quite a long time ago and will be outdated in less than a decade.

Another problem is that I have never seen a RJ11 hub/router.
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Post by: Gamer Donkey on March 01, 2003, 01:15:49 PM
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Do GCN from all regions have the same input (electricity)?


They should all be DC current, if thats what you're asking.