Topic: Mafia Day Five *SATURN VALLEY*

[that Baby guy]

That's right.  Saturn Valley.

Without further ado, the vote totals:

At number 1!
stevey

Coming around at number 1!
Khushrenada.

WHAT?

A tie?  Then what happens now?

Well, in a tie, the death is attributed to whomever had the first vote against them.

Normally, this would be stevey.  This time, I can't say!  I need help!  You see, Khush's vote didn't ever happen.  Normally I wouldn't say who was fried by the Puppet of Selfishness' lightning, but this time I'll make an exception.  Why?

I don't know what time Dasmos actually placed his vote.  His post was edited.  Was it before or after Decoyman's vote?  Can someone tell me?  If no one knows for certain, then I'll side with the post times, yielding stevey as the dead character.  I suppose I'll wait for a little while, grab a bite to eat, and let you all can let me know the results.

[stevey]

It was before decoy's

[vudu]

Bullshit, Khush's vote was nullified, but it still happened.  His timestamp beats all others.  Stevey was voted out.

Also, since both posts were edited, you have to go with the times they were edited, not posted.

« Last Edit: Today at 08:37:38 am by Dasmos »
« Last Edit: Today at 12:17:14 am by decoyman »

Decoyman's vote beats Dasmos'.  Stevey was voted out.

[decoyman]

Besides that, I specifically told Khush NOT to use his power because we had TWO timestamps ahead of the first vote for Khush: mine and Khush's. I thought timestamps were what we went by.

[stevey]

"Bullshit, Khush's vote was nullified, but it still happened."

If his vote doesn't count then how does it still count? It never happen, thus it loses the first spot.

"Besides that, I specifically told Khush NOT to use his power because we had TWO timestamps ahead of the first vote for Khush: mine and Khush's. I thought timestamps were what we went by."

You really should have checked whether thatguy would have allowed it before hand. And there no reason not to use his power if he has the one he claimed.

[vudu]

Oh yeah, just for kicks VOTE DAAAMAN just so I have the first time stamp.

[nickmitch]

Damnit, you guys.

[stevey]

Fine Vote decoyman

[that Baby guy]

I'm not convinced either way.  Dasmos definitely shouldn't have edited his post, but the policy I made clear to whomever asked about ties, vote protections and vote nullifications is definite, too.  The question isn't Khush's timestamp, it's Dasmos'

Did anyone actually see when Dasmos made his post?  If they did not, then Decoyman's vote is what counts, and stevey would die.

This, I'm certain, is the deciding vote.  Whomever wins this vote wins the game, I think we all know.  And unless I can get a few people who are convinced about Dasmos's vote being made before Decoyman's, then I'm calling it that stevey died.  Ten more minutes, but virtually the only way I'm changing my mind is if someone who isn't stevey and not on stevey's side can verify it happened.

[BeautifulShy]

Sorry to intrude but Dasmos put his vote for Khush at the time of his post then edited it later adding in his reasons.

[stevey]

I saw Dasmos vote before the edit last night. And I'm not just saying that to win. (It's not like he edited to change his vote in any way)

[that Baby guy]

You two are certain about that? Positive that he never took the vote out of the post?

[BeautifulShy]

I am positive.

[Khushrenada]

I'd have used my power if I could but like we all now know, it was nullified by the puppet. Otherwise, stevey would be out by a clear majority. Also, why do we have to decide who is right and who is wrong? You should have known my vote would not count and then watched for the next vote cast. With 3 mafia members working together, it would seem obvious that it would be a close vote. All I know is that the rules thread states that it goes by the timestamp of the first public vote. My vote was the first public vote. Whether that vote counted afterwords in the tallying is irrelevent since that falls in the private aspect of the game, the skullduggery of abilities used. My vote might not carry any weight in the grand total but it was still cast publicly and on time.

[stevey]

You two are certain about that? Positive that he never took the vote out of the post?

Absolutely. Who else would he vote for?

This, I'm certain, is the deciding vote.  Whomever wins this vote wins the game, I think we all know.  And unless I can get a few people who are convinced about Dasmos's vote being made before Decoyman's, then I'm calling it that stevey died.  Ten more minutes, but virtually the only way I'm changing my mind is if someone who isn't stevey and not on stevey's side can verify it happened.

If they not on my side then they are going to help me are they at the cost of their win? And not many of the dead follow the game that heavily.

I'd have used my power if I could but like we all now know, it was nullified by the puppet. Otherwise, stevey would be out by a clear majority. Also, why do we have to decide who is right and who is wrong? You should have known my vote would not count and then watched for the next vote cast. With 3 mafia members working together, it would seem obvious that it would be a close vote. All I know is that the rules thread states that it goes by the timestamp of the first public vote. My vote was the first public vote. Whether that vote counted afterwords in the tallying is irrelevent since that falls in the private aspect of the game, the skullduggery of abilities used. My vote might not carry any weight in the grand total but it was still cast publicly and on time.

From the role description, Your vote doesn't count from the time before you even made it. And shouldn't under any circumstance be counted

[that Baby guy]

I just had the thought stevey said.  Your vote never existed.  Lightning struck the night before.  It wasn't targeted at the first voter.  It was targeted at you, Khush.  It couldn't be predicted your vote would be first, as this was before any votes were cast.  Your vote is null and void.  It isn't a vote.  It's just words.

This follows in with what I told others before.

However, quite simply, we can resolve this:  It's abundantly clear that if Khush had thought the rules worked how I interpret them, then he would have used his ability.  He doesn't take chances.  This was a mistake due to complicated and complex rules, and so we'll just pretend the rules were more clear:

Had Khush understood the rules, and had vote-protection targeted at him, the answer is simple:
stevey would die.  The move wasn't re-arranged.  At all.  And with that, I'm calling the game.

There are two Bad players remaining, one greedy and one courageous.  As it turns out, both are identified by the dog, who has identified everyone else remaining in the game.  It's clear that they believe them, and it's clear that they don't even need Khush's ability to win a vote at this point.

So, Good wins, entirely, including Courageous and Pure.  Bad loses, both Evil and Greedy.  It was a close game, but there's no chance for Bad to make a come back and win.

[stevey]

The ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Had Khush understood the rules, and had vote-protection targeted at him, the answer is simple:
stevey would die.  The move wasn't re-arranged.  At all.  And with that, I'm calling the game.

WOULD'VE SHOULD'VE COULD'VE! Boo hoo, so what if he didn't understand the rules. Look at the Super mario kart game no special arrangement where made because people didn't have the roles stragth and khush won as the result, now khush stands to lose and your bending over backwards to accommodate him! Khush should have figure it out if he's so smart....

How many people **** up because they haven't understand the rule and lose over the years? Khush should have pm you to clarify, he is a veteran of mafia games. IT IS ON HIS HEAD NOT MINE, THUS I SHOULDN'T LOSS DUE TO HIS LAZYNESS.

[Dasmos]

oh wow, my bad.

I edited my because my whole post was in bold, not just my vote. I changed it so the text wasn't bold too. It was for clearly superficial reasons and I'm stupid for not stating that in my edit.

[Dasmos]

oh wow. this is bullshit.

[that Baby guy]

I'll point this out:  Several times during the game, Bad side players were not clear on the time actions were due for the night, or just sent them in late.  Every time, excepting one circumstance where they sent the message halfway through the day, I let it slide.  I'll say this:  Had I not, this day would have been no contest, won by the Good.  So if I bent some your way, it's only fair I bend some in the other direction, too.  Like Decoyman said, they had the first two time stamps with certainty, according to the time stamps, and the rules are very narrow.

It would've been best if they consulted about the rules, yes, but it also would have been best if your side had played in the correct time-slots, too, and had I stuck you to it, like I said, this day would've been over and done with.

[decoyman]

*collapses*

[BeautifulShy]

Poor ending

[Dasmos]

hope you guys are happy with your hollow victory.

[stevey]

I'll point this out:  Several times during the game, Bad side players were not clear on the time actions were due for the night, or just sent them in late.  Every time, excepting one circumstance where they sent the message halfway through the day, I let it slide.  I'll say this:  Had I not, this day would have been no contest, won by the Good.  So if I bent some your way, it's only fair I bend some in the other direction, too.  Like Decoyman said, they had the first two time stamps with certainty, according to the time stamps, and the rules are very narrow.

It would've been best if they consulted about the rules, yes, but it also would have been best if your side had played in the correct time-slots, too, and had I stuck you to it, like I said, this day would've been over and done with.

Your acting like this is Khush's first mafia game, holding his hand threw the game. It is solely Khush's fault, Not anyone else! Dasmos didn't edit his vote to change his vote and there are NO RULES against that.

Should have figured you want khush to win at all cost, the two of you always make special arrangement for the other when you host....

[that Baby guy]

I also acted like it was DAaaMan's first mafia game, as well as Dasmos's, in that case.  Do I have to reiterate that if you wanted me to play fair, that his ability was sent in too late?