Topic: Castlevania Judgement... not what anyone expected ever... EVER

[Adrock]

I found this amusing...

[KDR_11k]

Would have been awfully funny with Juste Belmont.

[RABicle]

I think after this game flops, Konami is well on its way to being finished.

Are you kidding? It's not like they're spending any money on this game.

[KDR_11k]

I think after this game flops, Konami is well on its way to being finished.

Are you kidding?

Quote from: MADONNA DYNOMITE

[DAaaMan64]

I think RAB understood that.  He followed up with some sarcasm afterword.

[Flames_of_chaos]

More Screenshots courtesy of NeoGaf

Do not look at the first post of that thread because he has overblown his screenshots tremendously.

[KDR_11k]

There are complaints about it looking PS2 like, I'd say that's the fault of the lighting. The character models don't seem problematic though they have a more painterly style than what you usually see (which may come across as looking last gen). With a prettier lighting setup it would look much better. Anyone feel like shopping the rim lighting from SMG or the Red Steel promo shots into those pics?

People complain about the way Simon looks, I think he was like that in World Fighters too. It doesn't resemble the sprite that much but we're talking about an 8 bit era sprite, anything with arms, legs and a bandana would look like simon. Be glad they didn't use the Captain N design...

[Flames_of_chaos]

Well KDR it didn't help that the original poster of those pics put them in 2560x1920 and some one re-sized them from those pics. But really the graphics are good. I hate how a lot of people judge lighting this gen. Rim lighting =/= proper lighting 99% of the time. What do we want next a castlevania game that's lit up like its full of Christmas lights?

[Peachylala]

*Second Newbie Post*

@ Adrock: That. Was. Awesome.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I might buy this game to keep Igarashi from making standard Castlevania games.

[konami suit] Decent sales, Iga!  You sold 2 yesterday!  The game even has lolis!
[Iga] Thanks!
[konami suit] We'RE going to have you make 3 more games to have a fantastic fighting series on Wii!
[Iga] WHAT

[ShyGuy]

I might buy this game..  ...The game even has lolis!

The truth is between the lines...

[DAaaMan64]

Casltevania Judgement is shaping up to be more interesting.

I wonder if you're the riddler, or the riddle.

I'm actually very impressed with the graphics myself. The character models are really good.

[NWR_Lindy]

I actually think CJ could be cool.  At least they're doing the series justice with their character designs and models.  What bothers me is how you just know that this game won't have a good online component.  Instead of something that players want - like, say, one-one-one online fighting, like 99% of all fighting games these days - you'll get something like the ability to trade items over WiiConnect24.  GREAT

Also, the PS3 has a lot of great exclusives aside from MGS4: Resistance: Fall of Man, Warhawk, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Super Stardust HD (PSN), Ratchet and Clank, Motorstorm, Echochrome (PSN), Ninja Gaiden Sigma, MLB 08 The Show (best sports game this generation), and maybe a couple more.  The whole "PS3 has no games" stuff has been invalid for a while, yet people still perpetuate it.  Maybe these games aren't some people's cup of tea, but they're all critically-acclaimed.  You could bring them up to defend the PS3 just like people bring up Zack & Wiki and No More Heroes on the Wii.

[Morari]

The whole "PS3 has no games" stuff has been invalid for a while, yet people still perpetuate it.

Not if the games you listed is as good as it gets...

[Kairon]

I actually think CJ could be cool.  At least they're doing the series justice with their character designs and models.  What bothers me is how you just know that this game won't have a good online component.  Instead of something that players want - like, say, one-one-one online fighting, like 99% of all fighting games these days - you'll get something like the ability to trade items over WiiConnect24.  GREAT

The material for this game DOES confirm 1 vs 1 online fighting...

Also, the PS3 has a lot of great exclusives aside from MGS4: Resistance: Fall of Man, Warhawk, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Super Stardust HD (PSN), Ratchet and Clank, Motorstorm, Echochrome (PSN), Ninja Gaiden Sigma, MLB 08 The Show (best sports game this generation), and maybe a couple more.  The whole "PS3 has no games" stuff has been invalid for a while, yet people still perpetuate it.  Maybe these games aren't some people's cup of tea, but they're all critically-acclaimed.  You could bring them up to defend the PS3 just like people bring up Zack & Wiki and No More Heroes on the Wii.

It's true. Just like the GameCube had good exclusive games, so too does the PS3.

[Deguello]

Also, the PS3 has a lot of great exclusives aside from MGS4: Resistance: Fall of Man, Warhawk, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Super Stardust HD (PSN), Ratchet and Clank, Motorstorm, Echochrome (PSN), Ninja Gaiden Sigma, MLB 08 The Show (best sports game this generation), and maybe a couple more.  The whole "PS3 has no games" stuff has been invalid for a while, yet people still perpetuate it.  Maybe these games aren't some people's cup of tea, but they're all critically-acclaimed.  You could bring them up to defend the PS3 just like people bring up Zack & Wiki and No More Heroes on the Wii.

And?  The WONDERSWAN had good games too.  What we're talking about here is the PERCEPTION that the PS3 has no good games.  And as we all know, perception = reality.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I actually think CJ could be cool.  At least they're doing the series justice with their character designs and models.  What bothers me is how you just know that this game won't have a good online component.  Instead of something that players want - like, say, one-one-one online fighting, like 99% of all fighting games these days - you'll get something like the ability to trade items over WiiConnect24.  GREAT

Also, the PS3 has a lot of great exclusives aside from MGS4: Resistance: Fall of Man, Warhawk, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, Super Stardust HD (PSN), Ratchet and Clank, Motorstorm, Echochrome (PSN), Ninja Gaiden Sigma, MLB 08 The Show (best sports game this generation), and maybe a couple more.  The whole "PS3 has no games" stuff has been invalid for a while, yet people still perpetuate it.  Maybe these games aren't some people's cup of tea, but they're all critically-acclaimed.  You could bring them up to defend the PS3 just like people bring up Zack & Wiki and No More Heroes on the Wii.

Getting a $400+ system to play more-expensive HD upgrades (or "corrections" to cover previous-gen mishaps) versions of last-gen experiences is not A CUP OF TEA it's 5-6 tanks of gas, or RENT.  How you managed include Motorstorm on that list is beyond me.  "Critically acclaimed" is a marketable way of saying "yeah this game was pretty cool and looked good on an expensive TV" by journalists (lolz) who don't have to buy these games in the first place.

That is my extremist view.

[ShyGuy]

Emo Simon makes you want to pre-order now, doesn't it?
More screens, some new: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/142/14262760/imgs_1.html

[Adrock]

People complain about the way Simon looks, I think he was like that in World Fighters too. It doesn't resemble the sprite that much but we're talking about an 8 bit era sprite, anything with arms, legs and a bandana would look like simon. Be glad they didn't use the Captain N design...

Simon in CJ is based on Ayami Kojima's redesign from Castlevania Chronicles. He doesn't look as manly but I always liked Kojima's designs so I never minded.

At least they're doing the series justice with their character designs and models.

Eww...

I'm not digging the anime art style for the series nor do I watch/care for Death Note. I still find it strange that IGA admitted on several occasions that fans of the series have not been receptive of the anime designs in Dawn of Sorrow or Portrait of Ruin and yet he opts for anime designs for Judgement AFTER going back to a darker, more mature art style for Order of Ecclesia. He's like an alzheimer's patient.

[Mario]

All those games are embarassingly awful

[Morari]

I think the game has potential. I'd much, much rather see a 2D Castlevania game hit the consoles though (preferablly with an Aria of Sorrow like soul system!). Considering just how high resolution 2D graphics could be on home consoles today, it's really a shame that no one wants to make them.

Also, how do we go from this to this? Anime can be good, no doubt, but the art style is far inferior in this case.

[KDR_11k]

Adrock: There's still a bit of a difference between PoR's look and this, PoR is closer to the saturday morning type of anime while this is more like Soul Calibur. Also the characters still appear as apathetic and androgynous as the Kojima designs, if it hadn't been talked about so much I'd have thought it was designed by Kojima (adaption into 3d cannot be that true for paintings like that but the characters retain a fairly painted look).

Considering just how high resolution 2D graphics could be on home consoles today, it's really a shame that no one wants to make them.

I think you already found the issue there: High resolution. Sony and MS expect HD. Sprites look best when they are designed pixel perfect (otherwise you get scaling artifacts), with HD that's impossible since you can't even assume a certain resolution for the screen (and more pixels = more work). It costs too much to get proper sprites for HD graphics and it'll not be easy to get something that looks good at all resolutions (since details can't just be scaled algorithmically).

[Strell]

Sigh.

I think I know Konami's game here.  They know I am so appalled by the horrid Soul Calibur IV - wracked with Namco's extreme ambition to try and suck away every ounce of dignity from the series by populating it with bullshit anime figures and ridiculous third party characters - that I'll actually start to see CJ as "making sense" in a way, and ultimately be drawn to it.

I mean, at least the characters designs aren't laughable like SC has become.

[NWR_Lindy]

And?  The WONDERSWAN had good games too.  What we're talking about here is the PERCEPTION that the PS3 has no good games.  And as we all know, perception = reality.

That's exactly what I'm arguing against: the PERCEPTION that the PS3 has no good games.  The whole point of my post was that that perception is WRONG.  In fact, it's not even close to true.  I mean, I could also toss Folklore, Eye of Judgement, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune onto my above list.  Hell, Unreal Tournament III was PS3-exclusive until last week, when a gimped (i.e. you can't use user-made content like you can on PS3) version was released on 360.  On top of that you can run out and buy non-exclusives like Burnout Paradise, Call of Duty 4, Oblivion, and Devil May Cry 4.  Yeah, the PS3 has NO GAMES.  Right.

Getting a $400+ system to play more-expensive HD upgrades (or "corrections" to cover previous-gen mishaps) versions of last-gen experiences is not A CUP OF TEA it's 5-6 tanks of gas, or RENT.  How you managed include Motorstorm on that list is beyond me.  "Critically acclaimed" is a marketable way of saying "yeah this game was pretty cool and looked good on an expensive TV" by journalists (lolz) who don't have to buy these games in the first place.

That is my extremist view.

What do expensive TVs have to do with any of this?  You don't need one to play 360 or PS3.  Furthermore, the phrase "critically-acclaimed" also applies to games like Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Mario Kart Wii, all of which, by the way, are upgrades of last-gen experiences.

[KDR_11k]

Hell, Unreal Tournament III was PS3-exclusive until last week

PC says hello. Anyway, the perception of "no games" comes from having mostly games with only niche appeal. Most people haven't even heard of those games. Perception may not be reality but perception drives sales. Negative perception = low sales and you know what low sales mean for a console.

Pro was probably complaining about the notion that critical acclaim is all a game needs and that failure of such games to sell is somehow the fault of the buyers rather than the fault of the seller.