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Offline Ceric

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Re: 2012.
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2012, 05:41:19 PM »
If I knew when I would end I could blow all my potential.  Run up Credit cards.  See places I want to see.  Do things that would be terrible for me in the Longterm.  Tell everyone exactly what I think of them.  In general go on a Rampage.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2012, 05:55:01 PM »
The worst music is non-melodic stuff which is really why I hate nu-metal so much as it seems to lack a melody.  I actually dislike thrash metal for much of the same reason.  Still the worst song ever is Metal Machine Music by Lou Reed.  The whole album is literally one song, split over four sides of a double LP, that consists entirely of looping guitar feedback.  I can't imagine anyone sitting down and listening to the whole thing.  It sounds like loud heavy machinery malfunctioning.

I like Metal Machine Music. I've listened to it all the way through a bunch of times. I also like a lot of Noise music though. I almost hate the rest of Lou Reed's output though, the Velvet Underground are okay I guess, but his most of his solo stuff is garbage and don't let me get started on Lulu.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2012, 05:58:42 PM »
Ian, I can see it eating someone if they were anxious about dying in the first place, but if you weren't I don't think you would mind, even if you were to be killed by your best friend.

For instance, I don't believe death is the end to everything. To quote one of my favorite movies, I think death is "the road to awe". No matter what you believe, even if you believe in nothing, there is enough proof that even if all we did was eat a dirt sandwich, our brains would still be firing for quite a bit while doped up on DMT and our death wouldn't be one where we simply turn off but a dream (or nightmare) that could last forever.

If you believe in other things, then (mostly) our bodies are cages for our souls and we're being set free. Many people believe that to be a good thing.


If I had to really pick why people fear death, then I think what most people fear most is the pain. Fear of pain is natural and necessary. It's why we avoid making reckless decisions. I'm afraid of pain. The pain of death while healthy is sure to be severe and traumatic unless you simply OD or something then it could be awesome. But yeah, whenever I'm in a plane and experience severe turbulence where I lift out of my seat for a second, I'm not afraid I'm going to die, I am afraid that if the plane were going to crash it would hurt a ****-ton.


Also I think people fear death because of time. Death is scary because of regrets, maybe things you wish you had said or did but didn't and the lack of ability to fulfill your potential or take in all you wanted. It becomes scary because it ends your time. This train of thought I can empathize with because people who believe this life is all there is will fear death in the end because there is no continuation. This is all you get, so make the most out of it. I don't believe in that, but even if I did there's always that flood DMT to look forward to.


So I think I would rather know when I died then not. Unlike Ceric, as funny as it would be, I wouldn't go balls to the wall and try to do everything before I died. Sure I'd enjoy the masterpieces that hang in the castle and flowers that blossom in the fields but I'd lose track of the drops of oil in my spoon. Instead, I'd probably do what I'm doing now...enjoy the grandeur of life at its calmest and most uneventful. I'd probably book one trip though and that would be the place I'd want to die if I could choose. Luckily, I already know it.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2012, 06:17:15 PM »
I want my tombstone to say "My body lie, but still I roam." I'm sure James Hetfield will probably have it too...still debating if I want to add the "yeah yeeaaah" part.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2012, 07:14:05 PM »
If the world were to end you wouldn't be able to have a Tombstone because no one would be around to put it up, but it also wouldn't matter because no one would be around to read it either.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2012, 07:18:15 PM »
I think people fear death because of uncertainty.  No one knows what happens and that is scary.  Maybe you'll just cease to exist and it won't matter, maybe you'll go to Heaven, maybe you'll exist as a ghost.  Those aren't so bad.  But maybe you'll go to Hell, maybe it'll be fully aware nothingness for all eternity.  There are possibilities that sound horrible.  That's the fear.  Regardless of what you think of any afterlife, regardless of how confident you are in that belief, what if you're wrong and post-death is actually horrible?

I like Metal Machine Music. I've listened to it all the way through a bunch of times. I also like a lot of Noise music though. I almost hate the rest of Lou Reed's output though, the Velvet Underground are okay I guess, but his most of his solo stuff is garbage and don't let me get started on Lulu.

Yes, I imagine anyone who likes Metal Machine Music would not like anything else Lou Reed has done.  :)

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Re: 2012.
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2012, 08:16:43 PM »
I think people fear death because of uncertainty.  No one knows what happens and that is scary.  Maybe you'll just cease to exist and it won't matter, maybe you'll go to Heaven, maybe you'll exist as a ghost.  Those aren't so bad.  But maybe you'll go to Hell, maybe it'll be fully aware nothingness for all eternity.  There are possibilities that sound horrible.  That's the fear.  Regardless of what you think of any afterlife, regardless of how confident you are in that belief, what if you're wrong and post-death is actually horrible?

Maybe your right, uncertainty maybe why people fear death. But I think that's a cowards way at looking at it, especially if they are confident in their beliefs.. It's a journey that everyone must take, so why fear it?
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2012, 12:29:56 AM »
I think people fear death because of uncertainty.  No one knows what happens and that is scary.  Maybe you'll just cease to exist and it won't matter, maybe you'll go to Heaven, maybe you'll exist as a ghost.  Those aren't so bad.  But maybe you'll go to Hell, maybe it'll be fully aware nothingness for all eternity.  There are possibilities that sound horrible.  That's the fear.  Regardless of what you think of any afterlife, regardless of how confident you are in that belief, what if you're wrong and post-death is actually horrible?

Maybe your right, uncertainty maybe why people fear death. But I think that's a cowards way at looking at it, especially if they are confident in their beliefs.. It's a journey that everyone must take, so why fear it?
See the offshoot of that is I really hold no fear of death itself.  It will happen.  I have a fear of the rest of my life instead and waiting so long for real answers.

Though I'm not really to afraid of heights, but I am afraid of losing things from heights (I wear glasses.) I'm not afraid of small spaces but I'm terrified of being stuck.  I'm not afraid of death but I'm afraid of shurking my living responsibilities.

Its just perspective.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2012, 01:58:14 AM »
I really don't understand the seeming hatred for "We built this City".  Maybe it was just before my time, but I really liked the song when it popped up in The Muppets.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2012, 11:48:56 AM »
I wonder if uncleboob was talking about Nicki Minaj videos. Because they can be loosely described as music too.

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Re: 2012.
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2012, 07:24:20 PM »
But I want to watch my son grow up!!!! Can we stop the timeline but not how we age?

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Re: 2012.
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2012, 07:35:07 PM »
If the Mayans couldn't predict their own downfall why should anyone take what they say about the end of the world seriously? they don't even predict the end of the world the calendar just stops.

At least we'll know what the most popular pick-up line of the year will be.

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Re: 2012.
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2012, 08:03:37 PM »
If the Mayans couldn't predict their own downfall

Actually they did. Supposedly they also predicted the arrival of the Spanish long before they came, but by the time the Spanish arrived the Mayan world had largely already collapsed... but they did predict their collapse.

You could argue it was a self fullfilling prophecy and that by believing it was going to happen they actually made it happen, but either way their prediction was correct.

What made you say they didn't predict their own downfall? Are you just assuming that for no reason?
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2012, 08:13:39 PM »
Some people assume that because they, you know, died out.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2012, 08:16:16 PM »
Some people assume that because they, you know, died out.

People who make that assumption also are assuming that they could have done anything about it. Just because you know your time is up doesn't mean you can stop it.

Let's assume the world does end in 2012 and there are many of us who saw it coming because we took the Mayan prophecy serious. Okay, but what the hell are we going to do? At this point we don't even know how it will end, so how can we make any plans? Let's say its an asteroid or a mini black hole that smashes into the Earth and that's what does us all in. What the hell can we do about it? You can't escape a catastrophe that effects the entire planet. Maybe if we had a way to get to Mars some of us might escape and survive, but space exploration has always been given a low priority by the government. The bottom line is if there is something which destroys the Earth our species will be extinct because all our eggs are in one basket.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2012, 08:17:11 PM »
I refuse to let the world end until UncleBob finish will his last mystery.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2012, 09:31:39 PM »
Regardless the Mayans never actually predicted the end of the world. The calendar just ends so we're really just spinning our wheels talking about this in the first place.
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2012, 11:54:12 PM »
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/05/120510-maya-2012-doomsday-calendar-end-of-world-science?source=link_fb05102012saturnomuralmaya

That doesn't really contradict their prediction though, because according to the Maya the world goes through periodic cycles of destruction and rebirth and we are now in like the 5th cycle or something like that. What 2012 means is that this cycle is going to come to an end, but it doesn't mean its the end of everything. Clearly some people will survive and might face a world not unlike that of Fallout 3, but thousands of years in the future if that's what this mural depicts, it would mean the world has healed and is well into its next cycle.

What the Maya believe about the world going through cycles of death and rebirth is supported by periodic extinction events throughout the fossil record. Actually, even the Bible supports the Mayan view of cycles when you consider the supposed great flood which only Noah and his family survived.
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Re: 2012.
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2012, 01:14:39 AM »
The Mayans didn't know that time doesn't exist.

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Re: 2012.
« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2012, 01:19:19 AM »
If time doesn't exist wouldn't everything be motionless?
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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2012, 01:22:06 AM »
I'm going to say no, but I have to say that you would be right.

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Re: 2012.
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2012, 01:08:16 PM »
Time doesn't exist so much as constant change exists. Time measures change. Though you could argue the force of change is time, which would be valid. Time is relative though.

Anyhow, in all likelihood there could be a bad thing happening in 2012. Not major as in existance ending, but it would disrupt the world economy and possibly end some world regimes. The Sun does this thing where it releases Solar flares, the suns been pretty active lately and has been releasing them. The Earth however is protected from these by its magnetic field. However, the Earth has these momentary glitches every 1000 or so years where the magnetic field either turns off or gets super weak. If there is a weakspot in the field and a solar flare hits the earth the least that can happen is it knocks out the world wide power grid, the worse that could happen is a bunch of people get fried.

the second scenario is always nuclear war, though id be more worried about North Korea than Iran.

so in these 2 scenarios there comes to be a Mad Max like scenario.

the 3rd scenario is some sort of global plague accident. Last year some scientists created this super flu which could kill off most of the population. I've also heard scientists say they could create a real zombie plague(more like 28 days Later than Romero) if they wanted to. So, theres that.

If i wasn't killed off in this scenario, I could see myself doing rather well in the situation. I'm not a conventional thinker and thus would be pretty innovative.

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