Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: Bill Aurion on January 24, 2009, 06:32:21 PM
Title: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 24, 2009, 06:32:21 PM
Okay, it's time to get something off my chest that is long past due. Nintendo World Report is dying.
Or should I say, has been dying for a while now, and I feel it has been getting even worse over the past year. Increasing bias and anti-Nintendo sentiment run free without consequence. For example, in the recently-locked Final Fantasy topic, Ian derailed the thread with random trolls on the Wii's 3rd party support even though it had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand (which in fact had to do with the financial and managing issues FFXIII was facing) AND arguing that we were only making such claims because we were fanboys and wanted the game on the Wii. Classy. Pale's response? To consider Deg and myself the trolls for reprobating Ian on his derailment, and then closing the topic. Sounds like bias to me. Well, whatever. I shook that off just like the countless other times Ian has gotten away with it. No skin off my back.
Fast-forward to today. Mario has been perma-banned by Pale. Meanwhile, canker sore Ian still roams free. Why? Rants with opinions that change based on just what Ninty is doing. Rants that complain about a single Mario-focused game in the face of a dozen other original games. Rants that complain about Ninty's focus on casual games when they currently make up only 20% of Ninty's published Wii titles. Can you actually find a productive post where Ian actually sat down in a topic with us and discussed something positively about a specific game? Does no one find it odd that he tends to stay out of topics that bring tidings of good news about Ninty or that completely destroy one his prior rants? Instead Mario is perma-banned for "personal attacks" that were most likely precipitated by Mario's frustration over getting constant warnings for stupid things while others get away with much worse. It's sad to see a TRUE Nintendo fan banned over one who is clearly not, regardless of the circumstances. Now I don’t mean to put the spotlight just on Pale, as this is only an example that illustrates my point and opened my eyes to what I should have seen for a while now.
I love games, I love talking about games, and I love discussing games with other people. What I don't love is having threads derailed with random angst (such as the case where a certain mod plopped into the Wii Sales Thread only to say that the Wii was only selling to casuals and grandmas). I don't love having to pussyfoot around mods with obvious biases towards HD gaming. If I did, I'd post at GAF more. But at least GAF has the excuse of not being Nintendo-focused. I don't love game discussion threads being abandoned in favor of threads groaning about how casual games are killing gaming and the embarrassingly pointless Staff Blog board (which was created solely so the staff could supplement their bias even more). That was what was so magical about Planet Gamecube back in the day; excluding Ian, everyone participated in game discussion and rants were few and far-between. Over time, it was clear that the oasis was beginning to dry up. First was the PSP fiasco, where mods like Rick and Dragona (the others, you know who you are) were clearly PSP-biased and made their points clear that they thought the DS would flop. Great atmosphere that built up, guys.
Then came this generation. I don't know if it was the result of the HD war, the change of NWR staff, just a lack of interest in games in general, or an amalgamation of the three and others, but the topics really do show. Talkback news is usually late. Game-specific topics are full of information posts with little actual insight or discussion from other posters. The topics with the most posts and discussion come from those that aren't even really game-specific, be it arguments about sales, "casual games", third party support, or any other drama-charged groanfest. And all these topics do is destroy bonds between posters that should instead be tightening through enjoyable discussion. From someone who wants nothing more than to see everyone enjoying positive discussion about upcoming games, it's really depressing to see how the site has crumbled, and it's clear to see why Mario (and others before him) gave up the ghost. Why bother putting effort into a post when it's bound to be derailed by a third party support monologue? Why bother putting effort into a post when no one even cares anymore?
Am I being too harsh? Yeaaaano. I'm not. It shouldn't be too much to expect a Nintendo-oriented site to be slightly Nintendo-biased. But no, I'm only seeing the opposite these days. So I'm sick of it. It's not fun anymore. Talking about games here is no longer fun. I really wish I could force myself to keep doing it, but I can't; the atmosphere is too suffocating. I tried my best to salvage what I could, but ended up staining my own hands with the hypocrisy of adding to the very rants I wished to destroy.
And it's painful because I really do like most of you, and wish I could have gotten closer to those I'm on bad terms with. It's been a fun 7+ years, and I thank all of you for all the (mostly) positive experiences, and wish all of you the best of luck in your respective lives. For those of you that DO still try to keep positive game discussion alive, I also wish you luck here at NWR. Perhaps you guys can bring the forums back to its former glory where I failed. Oh wait, Silks is the Director now, never mind.
If anyone wants to get a hold of me for some reason, my email is Splush23 @msn.com and you can usually find me on MSN Messenger in some form. There are still a bunch of you I haven’t played online with, so hopefully we can fix that in the future.
One last thing: Remember why you picked up the controller in the first place. Remember why even after all these years you still hold it in your hands. Cherish the games you like and don't let anyone tell you different. And never, EVER, let the Nintendo fan in you die. ^_^
Best regards, Bill
(http://i43.tinypic.com/24fa80g.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Caliban on January 24, 2009, 06:49:15 PM
Well I'm not happy that Bill is leaving.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 24, 2009, 07:11:32 PM
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 24, 2009, 07:21:57 PM
Wow, I go to sleep for the night and come back to this?!?! Well I'm going to actually defend Ian, say what you want about him, but at least Ian is respectful in his negativity, something I cannot say for various other forum members when they respond to him. Does he get grating after awhile of reading his constant negativity? Yeah and I've responded but some people take it way too far and actually are vicious in their personal attacks.
In regards to Lindy, I admit, I was worried when he was announced as director of the site, but really I am going to give him a chance. Say what you want about Lindy but I know him to be a decent and yes fair guy even when we may disagree on something. With that said I am really saddened to see Bill go :(.
I do want to say Pale still gets my support 100%, he does not have an easy job. He gives us all slack, maybe even when we don't really deserve it, and has done his best to balance the rules with common sense leeway. My guess is that he wasn't thrilled to ban Mario but felt he was given far too many warnings. Even as someone who isn't a fan of Ian I thought his comments about him being a moron for not getting a joke crossed the line.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Deguello on January 24, 2009, 07:37:50 PM
Well that's just great. Now Ian has cost me not one, but two longtime friends on a forum.
I'm gonna agree with Bill on a lot of this. Almost all, in fact. Things were a whole lot more civil around here before reasonable posters were forced to accept Ian Sane as the other side of every argument, no matter how stupid he sounded or what he said. Ian's frothing diatribes about his broken dreams and how "people back in the day" were better than us and his craven targeting of absent "Blind Nintendo Fanboys" that, in some place, at some time, said something to somebody were given equal weight with regular posters scratching their heads wondering just what the hell Ian was talking about.
He has a pissy attitude. He insults people, and in the most sniveling way, to people who aren't even in the room at the time. He's been an agent of disruption on several occasions. Why is he still here? Why do we have to lose Bill over him? Are his opinions, ever shifting and slitherine, worth losing one of our most peaceful and pro-active posters? Is this a good trade?
No the hell way. The loss of Bill is a major blow to this community. I'd trade ten Ians for another post from Bill. Please, could you reconsider, Bill? Don't let them get to you.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 24, 2009, 07:38:45 PM
Bill I didn't read your whole thing... maybe I will some day.
But in the first few paragraphs you further proved to me you don't understand any reason behind my moderation.
While Ian may make anti nintendo remarks.. HE NEVER PERSONALLY ATTACKS ANOTHER FORUM MEMBER.
Mario was banned because after being given multiple final warnings. In fact, he came back and seemed to be blatantly breaking the rules again as if he wanted to be banned.
My stance in the final fantasy discussion had nothing to do with the argument at hand, it had everything to do with how individuals responded with hostility towards another.
WE ARE NEVER POLICING OPINIONS HERE. WE ARE POLICING PERSONAL ATTACKS AND HOSTILITY!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 24, 2009, 07:42:36 PM
Deg please show me an example of Ian insulting someone and I will gladly take back what I've said. I've never seen it though.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 24, 2009, 07:43:33 PM
Deg please show me an example of Ian insulting someone and I will gladly take back what I've said. I've never seen it though.
I would too. Ian may stir up us Nintendo fanbois (gurls) with his comments but I don't recall him actually insulting anyone.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ThePerm on January 24, 2009, 07:48:34 PM
the point here pale is that planet gamecube(nwr) isn't an audience to be controlled. There is a planet gamecube base that's separate from the Nintendo base. People like Bill are people who should have much clout in the forums because they are who have contributed much to them. I wish these forums would just seperate from the main site and take a life of their own. A forum is a group of people who come together and talk, unfortuanately if the forums started off as a theme its the only outlet for them to communicate with each other. You can't just expect the whole forum community to move together as a group from forum to forum as their tastes change.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 24, 2009, 07:51:41 PM
Ok, just so everyone knows, here is some of Mario's posts that led to his ban. I want you to know that all of these happened immediately after he was given a very clear final warning.
I didn't want to make a big deal out of this decision, but Bill called it out so I will.
This was in response to the wii fit / paralyzed girl storing. Obviously a trolling shot.
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Gimmick game for kids. Get some Gears of War 2 into this biatch and then we'll talk. Online via voice chat, as I whip her aaaaassssss moffo! W0)000000000000t
This was in response to Lindy getting the director position. Obviously hostile and mocking him without even really knowing the guy.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This was a direct response to people buying the wii copy of RE4 after already owning the cube version.
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Only a complete idiot would buy RE4 twice, and Umbrella Chronicles is a good game.
This is a response to Ian simply stating he wasn't a fan of the name of a game.
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It's a penis joke you friggin dense moron, the game is one big joke. In a good way.
Wii.
This is a response to my impressions of kororinpa... apparently trying to say it's totally ridiculous that I haven't played the original.
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How the **** haven't you played the original. What the hell.
Those are all AFTER his final warning. While some could be considered good natured if he had a history of kidding around.. he doesn't.
If you want to read even more of his posts, please check his profile.
Now, I remember when Mario was a really nice guy to have around, but he jumped the shark a long time ago and was given PLENTY of warnings. If we want to have a civil discussion about the forum rules and someone wants to make the case that Mario SHOULDN'T have been banned, I welcome it... but I don't see how you can ignore that terrible attitude.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 24, 2009, 07:52:02 PM
the point here pale is that planet gamecube(nwr) isn't an audience to be controlled. There is a planet gamecube base that's separate from the Nintendo base. People like Bill are people who should have much clout in the forums because they are who have contributed much to them. I wish these forums would just seperate from the main site and take a life of their own. A forum is a group of people who come together and talk, unfortuanately if the forums started off as a theme its the only outlet for them to communicate with each other. You can't just expect the whole forum community to move together as a group from forum to forum as their tastes change.
That may be true, but constant personal insults flung at someone is not good no matter what the forum make up is, especially ones flung after the person was warned.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 24, 2009, 07:53:28 PM
Perm: The only controlling I'm trying to do is make people act civilly to each other. If someone thinks something someone else said is wrong, disagree with some class.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 24, 2009, 07:55:55 PM
Ok, one parting shot for Bill.
I hope you realize you were given no formal warning for that FF 13 thread. I read the forums enough to know that 99% of the time you are one of the most good natured posters here. I'm sorry that the one time I felt the need to mention I thought you were over the line you took it so badly.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 24, 2009, 07:58:23 PM
Great Bill leaves! He has been here forever.I am really upset about this.I need to get in touch with him.I'm really sad about this.:'(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 24, 2009, 08:08:16 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
^ see what I did there?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 24, 2009, 08:18:40 PM
So I just finished reading your entire post Bill, and I think I found our major point of contention.
You said this:
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Increasing bias and anti-Nintendo sentiment run free without consequence.
The problem is, it is NEVER our intention to penalize people for disagreeing with something regarding a Nintendo console. If you expect that in moderation, you won't find it here.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on January 24, 2009, 08:19:55 PM
I'm gonna miss those creepy androgynous, underage anime screencaps.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Deguello on January 24, 2009, 08:39:29 PM
Hell here's one insult from Ian,
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If this was on the Wii everyone crapping on it here would be all "well I'm glad Square Enix is taking the time to make this as polished as possible."
This is how he opened his FFXIII thread derail. By accusing everybody critical of FFXIII of hypocrisy. Last time I checked being called a hypocrite was an insult. Oh, but that's right he didn't do it directly at somebody. That makes a world of difference, doesn't it? This kind of passive-aggressive crap is what he does. And it IS insulting, period. Especially when he goes on rants about how Wario Ware or Wii Sports or Game-Ian-Doesn't-Personally-Like is a lot like "Reality TV" or "Garbage pop music." I mean I feel greatly insulted by that elitist slight. But yeah, he meant everybody who likes it, not just me. That makes it a lot better, right?
So I always let it slide, mainly because commenting on such ridiculousless would be creating "hostility." So Ian gets to continue farting in an elevator and anybody who comments on it gets slammed down for "starting a fight."
So ultimately that's the tragedy of Mario. He never learned to hide his insults like Ian did. But Ian has insulted people, especially when he just calls somebody a fanboy for disagreeing with him about whatever it is he's yelling about this time.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 24, 2009, 08:57:39 PM
Well this really sucks. I don't even know what to say.. blah.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 24, 2009, 09:06:45 PM
So ultimately that's the tragedy of Mario. He never learned to hide his insults like Ian did. But Ian has insulted people, especially when he just calls somebody a fanboy for disagreeing with him about whatever it is he's yelling about this time.
I disagree, because Mario has been very tactless and insulting people head on as if he was alienating them and it was just beyond rude and immature. And Deg you have to look at it through Pale's perspective trying to be the peace keeper and if threads have to be locked I'm sure he does his best with proper reasoning.
But I do have to agree with Bill that NWR has been going down the drain pretty fast in the past few months but I think that with Lindy's leadership he will bring things up to speed and return NWR back to the golden PGC days.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Dasmos on January 24, 2009, 09:14:55 PM
**** this.
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Post by: stevey on January 24, 2009, 09:26:12 PM
I agree completely with bill.
After the last E3, no one here has or at lease shows their love for Nintendo anymore. Why, Because there no upcoming games after a little more than a year with Zelda, Mario, Mario kart, Metroid, Smash bros, VC ports and wii-ware, and new IPs that completely blew Nintendo's load? Real Game: good games - games that Nintendo makes, not shit like Madden or Halo, take two-three years to make and another year or two to beta test and fine tune. Just because they choose wisely not to show random lines of code to a game without a working graphic engine yet or bad concept drawing that very likely won't resemble anything like the final game when released; you savagely attacked them for focusing on game that had substance and a near release date to their other game the won't be released by the end of this decade or stupidly acted like you're three and the moment you don't see something it's gone from the face of the earth. What's worst is that Nintendo listen to you antifanboys and apologized for doing the right thing at E3. If they don't snap out of it, they will dive bomb from #1 to last or worst if Legend of OO is any indication of their up coming E3 and games.
PGC has changed, the news always was slow, and readers epically Ian were critical of Nintendo actions that they feared might lead them to failure, but now Nintendo is on top all they care about is Nintendo waiting on them hand and foot for every one of their idiotic desires. Discussion of third party software and systems is more active than Nintendo's software. This is a Nintendo forum, for fans of Nintendo 1st and 2nd party games and systems. If you like you Ps3 soo much than go to a PSfanboy site or if you like everyone equally then go to gamefaq or GAF. Want to randomly troll, there are endless *chan /v/ boards for you. Nintendo fanboys advice to Sony or Ms fan should always be to buy a Nintendo system.
The site staff has gone moderator happy in recent month, yes I know that the Hawtness thread probably would have ended up with NWR somehow being sued, and political thread always were killed on site. But the age of the nonsense and Funhouse has died. Vendettas and harmless personal attack are gone, the site's weird sense of humor is dieing, and what made this site better than all other forums is slowly, completely, and irreversibly disappearing.
I'm still hopefully though. I hope that after the next E3, you guy will remember what all of you have forgotten! Nintendo makes great games <period>
Also no one read anything anymore that longer then three lines, due to their new found A.D.D.
I always though Bill would be here forever along with Ian. I would say don't leave but I doubt you listen...
Good luck finding somewhere better and more pro-Nintendo/loli.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Deguello on January 24, 2009, 09:34:29 PM
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I disagree, because Mario has been very tactless and insulting people head on as if he was alienating them and it was just beyond rude and immature. And Deg you have to look at it through Pale's perspective trying to be the peace keeper and if threads have to be locked I'm sure he does his best with proper reasoning.
Hey I've been a peace keeper too. I can't count the number of threads Ian just totally destroyed by bringing in totally unrelated rants about Nintendo in the 90's or the state of Nintendo fanboys in the 80's into a thread about a new Mario game or something. I always wondered if it would be better off if I just banned him and was done with it. But I never would because he never personally insulted anybody, just people generally. Getting rid of Ian would have increased the peace a whole lot, and I considered it several times.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: bustin98 on January 24, 2009, 09:45:28 PM
Well, I'm saddened to see Bill make this decision. I'm also saddeded to see Mario banned. I would be saddened to see Ian banned or leave as well.
We were all drawn here for a common interest. If someone doesn't share that interest anymore, they really shouldn't hang around though no one has the right to ask someone to leave without good reason.
Is this the price of (Nintendo's) success? When we felt the under dog, we grouped together under a flag of solidarity. Now its different. Somehow. We've lost posters. We've lost staff. We've lost our soul?
I'm sad tonight. I'd like to think that we'll pull out and turn around, but I believe its a downward spiral.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: D_Average on January 24, 2009, 10:06:07 PM
NWR still rules the internetz for Nintendo, its not even close. Lets take a look at the competition:
GoNintendo - no original content, sloppy and dirty Infendo - decent blog but Jacks irrationality and incompetence ruin it on a daily basis TheWiire - boring geeks WiiFanboy - lifeless blog
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on January 24, 2009, 10:20:37 PM
I'm sad to see Bill go. I understand how he feels. And I agree that things have changed at NWR over the past six years. There's no denying this.
But you honestly can't blame Pale for banning Mario. He's had it coming for quite some time. He throws out personal insults left and right. It's one thing to do it in the Funhouse, but Mario brings it into forums where it is simply not appropriate.
And yes, Ian does troll pretty much every thread he enters. But he doesn't insult people and he doesn't stoop to childish name-calling. If you don't like what he has to say just ignore it. Don't read his posts. Don't respond to him.
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Post by: Adrock on January 24, 2009, 11:27:23 PM
And yes, Ian does troll pretty much every thread he enters. But he doesn't insult people and he doesn't stoop to childish name-calling. If you don't like what he has to say just ignore it. Don't read his posts. Don't respond to him.
True.
I disagreed with most of Bill's post. I love talking about games too, but the nature of message boards is that people will troll and topics will get derailed. Sure some people can be rude, condescending, snide, disrespectful etc., but ehh, I still enjoy posting here. The only thing I really miss is that Mashiro doesn't post (much) anymore.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 24, 2009, 11:43:03 PM
Its very heartbreaking seeing Bill go.
I believe that Ian is both innocent and guilty. Yes, he might not insult people, BUT he does troll on occasion and I believe that everyone, no matter who they are or how they post, must get warned and be brought back to reality.
I also agree that Mario wasn't exactly the brightest poster, despite his positive attitude towards Nintendo. If you see the AC thread he came in to troll discussion and interaction with his views on the game. Yes, he was responding to a post I made, but afterwards we focused on game interaction, trading and events.
His insult towards Ian on the Pole thread wasn't needed, and was thinking of reporting him. I see that he has been dealt with.
My real problem with NWR is with the staff. Sorry if I sound harsh towards the staff members, but I believe there's no real balance. What I mean is that the staff seems to ignore most of what is going on in the site and at times it like they behave worse than the members, trolling and such.
I understand that you guys want to participate as members of the community, but you guys are staff members, moderators, admins and directors. This means that you must show seriousness and responsibility and be fair. Like its been mentioned some of the mods and staff members have gotten away with trolling. It doesn't matter if they are joking or not, the idea is that they must obey the rules just as the rest of us. So again, I wish there was fairness and balance in the staff members, regardless of their opinions or thoughts. So if someone, like Mario, kept trolling the Dead Rising thread with insults and harsh comments towards the game and anyone that supports it the staff must give him a warning, even if they agree with what he says.
As for the Nintendo negativity, well, this is something that is hard to control. If fans aren't happy with the way Nintendo is doing things how are we to control what is essentially personal opinion? But I will agree that there has been too much of it in the last few days.
Don't know how the staff will work with this, but here's how it could be done...
Like I already mentioned, the staff must show a respectable attitude towards anything discussed in the site. This doesn't mean to change your opinion. You could disagree with something and still be respected for it. The key is in how that opinion is expressed. If you present a harsh attitude people will get annoyed and try to argue back, or fuel the flames if they agree with it.
So in short, I think if we want to change the attitude of the boards we must start with the staff.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: nickmitch on January 24, 2009, 11:44:14 PM
This is just like when Ben Grimm went to France while everyone else in the Marvel Universe (save, Hulk) were at eachother's throats over the Registration Act. Blue Ocean is our Registration Act. I only make this reference because I just finished reading Marvel's "Civil War" story (all of it, including every tie-in) today.
Anyway, Bill, your departure makes me sad. You made these forums a happy place. You brought sunshine and fun when we needed it most. I'm really upset to see you go, but I wish you the best. Godspeed.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on January 24, 2009, 11:56:31 PM
This may not be my place to speak since I'm new here... so I will keep this short. My advice is take a break. There must be something which has kept you coming here these past seven years; as you spend time away from the forum, the memories of the bad times will fade and the good times will come shining through. You'll soon remember what that special something was, all you need is a little time away. Who knows, maybe even by the time you return, your problems with the forum may be remedied or getting closer to it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 25, 2009, 12:03:00 AM
I'll step in and say a few brief words here. First, Bill it's too bad that you've decided to leave. You've always been one of our best posters, so you will be missed.
Secondly, yes, good behavior on the forums starts with the staff. I have been guilty of idiocy on these forums and I'll fully admit it. But there are certain forum members that really need to look in the mirror as well.
Thirdly, if you think that I'm harboring some sort of grudge against Nintendo and plan to run this site into the ground, you're wrong. Dead wrong, in fact. I'll tell you what: come back in six months, come back in a year. Then we'll see where we're at.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 25, 2009, 12:25:21 AM
So what you all are saying is, Bill should have waited till GDC
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 25, 2009, 12:30:15 AM
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Post by: ThePerm on January 25, 2009, 12:43:28 AM
darn i went to look up mouseclickers last post, but it disappeared
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 25, 2009, 01:16:39 AM
I am still going through this thread, but wanted to respond. Bill you were a friend, I never got to know you well but I enjoyed your posts...just like I enjoyed Ian Sane's posts, which are almost always grossly misrepresented.
I think discussion has evolved (some might say de-evolved) on these threads the past few years, but again people change just as the industry and Nintendo changes, this isn't a bad thing at all.
You might believe it is changed to be more negative towards Nintendo, but I still see a fair bias for Nintendo. Threads like the Nintendo Sales thread is a celebration of Nintendo's success, and games that merit long discussion threads like Brawl, Animal Crossing, and Play on the Wii series seem to get great crowds and discussion.
I have actually found that most of the discussion on NWR is quite respectful, well thought out opinions, even those that disagree with Nintendo, which you can do and still love Nintendo.
Which brings me to Ian Sane, he truly loves Nintendo and has great fond memories of what Nintendo means to him. However, he disagrees with some of the directions and decisions Nintendo has made recently. Why do we have to see this descent as Nintendo hatred...perhaps it is his very love of Nintendo that keeps him at these boards critiquing Nintendo so harshly. And yes, he is not the cheerleader for Nintendo, but an opposing voice isn't always slanted against you...and can often times be rooting for your success.
As for whether NWR's forums should be moderated, editted and yes even controlled. This is a communal website where people of all ages, all lifestyles, religions, politics and more go to read about Nintendo. It is in the BEST interest of this site that we ensure our message boards are clean, unoffensive, and respectful to others.
That means strict policies against personal attacks, language filters, no political or religious talk...after all this is a Nintendo gaming site. I was actually upset that we even have the option to turn off the language filter, because I thought it let people off the hook about carefully expressing themselves instead of being able to just to the expletives. Though I realize I am old fashioned.
In short, I actually understand where you are coming from, because I have seen the transition of these boards and I don't totally disagree with you, but at the same time I feel change is inevitable, and that the moderators have done a great job of carefully maintaining the forums for everyone to enjoy.
And honestly, they do not get enough THANKS or RESPECT from us who enjoy these boards because of their tireless support.
I would also like to add how is the staff not supportive of Nintendo? This site is one of the few sites that give fair, but also critical reviews for Wii and DS games...not comparing them to the HD counterparts. Their Staff Blogs have been critical of Sony with a series that discusses what Sony can learn from Nintendo...and for the most part they don't do specials like IGN has discussing where Nintendo has made mistakes and how to fix them by going HD.
I love that the Staff is part of our community, and I feel they should have the freedom to discuss games and the industry however they like, and should have as much or more freedom than regular posters to do so...remember the staff are people too except that they tirelessly work to bring us great Nintendo news every day.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2009, 01:32:50 AM
I'll step in and say a few brief words here. First, Bill it's too bad that you've decided to leave. You've always been one of our best posters, so you will be missed.
Secondly, yes, good behavior on the forums starts with the staff. I have been guilty of idiocy on these forums and I'll fully admit it. But there are certain forum members that really need to look in the mirror as well.
Thirdly, if you think that I'm harboring some sort of grudge against Nintendo and plan to run this site into the ground, you're wrong. Dead wrong, in fact. I'll tell you what: come back in six months, come back in a year. Then we'll see where we're at.
Oh, I believe everyone, myself included, is guilty of idiocy. Like I said, once the staff members realize their behavior and act according to their status they should be fair and warn ANYONE that might disrupt the forums. So for every Mario that gets banned a Golden, Ian, Bill, S_B, pap, Easycure, Maxi or even Adolph Vega should also get their warnings.
The attitude is also carried over to the general gaming forums. To be perfectly honest I was very annoyed at the trolling that happened in my dead 360 topic. I was upset for personal reasons, and the 360 being dead didn't help. I was looking for ideas and solution, but what I got was mockery, trolling and annoying posts. Luckily it calmed down, but I still didn't like where it was headed.
This type of behavior should be controlled on all the forums. Like I mentioned already, start with the staff. Once the staff has accepted their behavior control the member's.
I think the problem with Ian is not his attitude but how often he shows it. Its clear that he has alienated himself (or to be fair, Nintendo alienated him) from Nintendo, and will be hard for him to see any good. That's the stance he decided to accept, nothing we can do to change his mind. However, it does become grating when it happens often.
Let me put it this way. You are friends with someone that is quite cynical. He makes a lot of good points, but don't like that he goes on and on about it. You are having a pleasant conversation about, say, kittens or cats. Then he drops in and says that nearly half a million become strays and much more are put to sleep. Its depressing, its a fact, but its annoying because they were talking about the fun of owning a cat, and the comment really brought things bought, and thus everyone is annoyed because a pleasant conversation went down the crapper thanks to cynicism.
This is the problem with Ian. Many of us just want to discuss a game, how good or bad it is, without diving deep into conspiracy theories, getting personal or seeing this through realistic views. Ian tends to be more cynical, and thus it becomes grating for some and why many threads are derailed.
The only solution to this is to ignore him. Yes, this is hard, but the reality is that Ian is not breaking the rules, his posts are well written and the very harsh reality is that we are the ones that start the fights (I include myself in this, and my "No Ians allowed" mural in City Folk is proof enough of this :P).
The staff, however, could encourage more positive and calmer discussion, so even someone like Ian could say something bad and people still keep discussing the topic.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Berto2K on January 25, 2009, 03:10:11 AM
Yes, this is hard, but the reality is that Ian is not breaking the rules, his posts are well written and the very harsh reality is that we are the ones that start the fights (I include myself in this, and my "No Ians allowed" mural in City Folk is proof enough of this :P).
Why even start fights in the frist place? Why start **** that is going to cause problems in the first place? Have some common sense.
Perm: The only controlling I'm trying to do is make people act civilly to each other. If someone thinks something someone else said is wrong, disagree with some class.
So why has Ian not been held to this same standard?
So what you all are saying is, Bill should have waited till GDC
That would not have mattered because Ian would have still gotten away with the same thread derailing and "why-aren't-nintendo-making-my-games" **** he always has gotten away with.
I've been here at this forums for most likely longer than more than half of the members, and seemingly bout half the staff by now too. I've been here since at least 2000 on ezboards. I believe almost to fact, that this site/forum will never be like it once was.
Fact is, when you see issues coming from different places, with a single person involved in those issues developing its time to kill that problem. That problem all these years has been Ian. He made everyone feel belittled. You try and talk to him logically and he ignores it disappearing from the thread or changes the topic completely while ignoring those who responded to hom. Its like his sole purpose on these forum is to instigate and antagonize others. All the while he gets a blind eye from just about all the staff.
Since volunteering my time as staff at GCA/AMN/Kombo the last 5 years, I know that content is very important to getting an audience, however you have to also provide a fun place to your viewers to interact. if you don't engage with your audience you will lose them. That is what has been happening here the last few years. "The Funhouse" was an attempt to recreate some of the fun and it has worked decently well. But that is only contained in that forum.
Its like the forum and to a little extent the staff as well aren't as proud to admit their Nintendo fanaticism while also playing other system. Nobody looks at facts and trends to drive discussion. Folks like Ian come in, blow some smoke from the first few posts, and then vanish.
At Kombo, we had a forumer who did similar things in posting stuff to try and entice arguments, not discussion. Other members started to leave. We got rid of the problem, and things went back to normal.
What Mario, Bill, Deg, Infernal, Shifty, and myself have tried to do in the past is try to point out how Ian was ignorant in his posts. I know that he and I are about the same age. His actions aren't excusable for an adult of almost 30 years old.
He provides factually wrong information and states it as fact ignoring others when we try to show him how and why he is wrong. Its like he cowards into a little corner when he is shown he is wrong and and can't admit it. But then comes out again when he has found an opening in another topic.
Don't you (Lindy, Pale, etc.) notice that this thread is largely based around issues that surround Ian and the likes?? Shouldn't that raise a little flag in your eyes? When threads are intentionally derailed time after time, illogical and wrong statements are made, it doesn't help to raise the interest for others to post and participate.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 25, 2009, 03:35:33 AM
You try and talk to him logically and he ignores it disappearing from the thread or changes the topic completely while ignoring those who responded to him. Its like his sole purpose on these forum is to instigate and antagonize others. All the while he gets a blind eye from just about all the staff.
Wow this is so true right here. I watch this happen all the time and have had it happen to me. Seriously. Honestly, I've even seen Lindy do it a few times. I don't like it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2009, 03:41:59 AM
Disappearing from a thread or changing the subject can just mean they are tired of the argument and want to move on.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Berto2K on January 25, 2009, 03:55:42 AM
Disappearing from a thread or changing the subject can just mean they are tired of the argument and want to move on.
No it doesn't when they only appear once maybe twice in the thread. When your only there that much and don't discuss the topic only making your own statements is not engaging in the discussion so there is nothing one could be tired of arguing about. If the topic has been brought up before, then why enter the discussion in the first place or bring it up. That's the bullshit that happens.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ThePerm on January 25, 2009, 04:23:23 AM
hmmm, i would say i usually agree with Ian in most cases. However, I'm not one to whine and bitch about everything to no end. Which is why I post mainly in the fun house, or general chat. The question is why would someone who doesn't care much about gaming post in a gaming forum? The answer is simple. I wonder what the community thinks. I didn't agree with bill on many things, but i think he was an important member of the community, i think Ian is too, and so was Mario(Chris). I hate to see the community dissolve like this.
What interests me more is if I left, I'm not sure if anybody would give a crap. Which i think is amusing considering I've been on here for 10 years, since it was opn2000.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Shift Key on January 25, 2009, 04:35:09 AM
Thought I’d throw in a few thoughts about this – I’ve basically reverted to lurker status these days aside from the occasional troll post, so I’m not really up on recent forum events – because it seems like there’s a few issues arising from Bill’s farewell.
I'm in contact with Bill regularly so this isn't a farewell post for him.
Regarding Ian: Deguello and Berto have said it much more eloquently than I could ever attempt to. I will throw in a term that sums up my interactions with Ian over the years. When someone decides to contribute to a conversation by providing an incoherent argument or irrelevant remark, we refer to that as “swinging trashbags”. Everyone knows when a guy is swinging trashbags, and his behaviour is not endearing to the group or beneficial to the conversation.
I feel like Ian’s been swinging trashbags around the forum for years. Sure, he’s got a right to his opinion just like everyone else. My beef with that is he’s been flogging that opinion for so long its become tired and bordering on absurd. That’s the annoying part. That FFXIII thread is a great example of it – people were talking about the issues S-E were facing with the project, and their plans going forward. Ian manages to swiftly injects some anti-Nintendo hyperbole and it goes to hell from there.
So not only did he derail the topic, he antagonised Bill and Deguello by bringing up anecdotal points and introducing some anti-Nintendo spin to the thread. I'm not condoning their behaviour, but Ian must take some of the responsibility for the result of that thread, despite the fact (this says a lot of his behaviour too) he did not return to the thread. Can you not see why some people think he is a troll, despite his long history on the forums?
If behaviour like that is permitted or even considered protected from criticism, then things have changed significantly from the old days. It may be an extreme example, but it is not a one-off incident.
Regarding Mario's ban: I’ve known him since the EzBoards days and his recent behaviour is not unexpected. He’s had major clashes of opinions with staff recently, but its sad to see him go because he’s been another significant contributor to the forums for years. Its not the worst thing he’s done either, so I’m kinda disappointed he didn’t go down in a blaze of glory.
Regarding the change in management: I have no real opinion either way. People come and go. I’ve had skirmishes with admins before (warnings by various mods, a temp ban by Bloodworth back in the day) but its no longer like the Wild West. Part of me misses that though. Part of me also hopes that the admins lead by example, so that the place becomes orderly without becoming a police state. There’s been so many changes since the NWR brand change, its hard to know who’s the leadership.
Regarding the mood of the site: it is definitely different to the PGC days. I’m not going to point fingers at others because that's not helpful to finding a solution. I can't point to a single event where things transformed, but the nearest approximation is around the transition from Cube to Wii. There was a gradual shift around the time the Wii came out, from “cheering for the underdog” to "Look at Nintendo go!" through to “X is wrong with Y”. Its quite sad to see that people are so quick to point out the flaws with everything, despite the only significant change is that Nintendo are first, not third.
Sure, we can get into details here, but what’s the point when it seems to be the same predictable formula with every thread? A few good comments, then a switch gets flicked and it degenerates into people picking sides and pulling out the same old tired arguments. You know the ones. Are you tired of hearing the same arguments from the same select few? I sure am. Its one of the reasons why I’ve reverted to lurker status, and its also why I’m also saddened to see Bill and Mario gone. I catch them on MSN regularly and enjoy talking to them about games and non-games stuff, so to see them say “I’ve had enough of NWR/PGC” (yes, Mario did this, his ban was just someone showing him the door) is disappointing, because the forums were richer for having them around.
I've done the "I've had enough of NWR/PGC" thing before. I've also had my hand in some forum shenanigans after that. I'm not doing either this time, because I'm through with trying to make a point. I'd rather just disappear into the night, whenever that time comes.
Stay Classy, Shifty
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 25, 2009, 05:11:55 AM
lol
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 05:18:38 AM
I talked to Bill via e-mail and I plan on keeping in touch with him.I didn't get a chance to play Mario Kart with him.Maybe soon.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: IceCold on January 25, 2009, 05:20:14 AM
Oh there's no doubt NWR has been spiralling for a while now. It's one of the main reasons I am (as people have pointed out) such an infrequent poster these days. And it's a shame, because a few years ago logging on to the boards was one of the highlights of my day.
I haven't had an affinity to the site itself for a long time now. The name change, redesign, shoddy reviews, and generally uninspired coverage certainly didn't help. NWR has no personality to me nowadays - it's just a generic Nintendo fansite with nothing to differentiate itself. Sterile, conservative, by-the-numbers.. just boring in general. It has strayed so far from Billy's passion and personal touch that I can't bring myself to appreciate it.
Which is why for the last few years I've cared almost exclusively for the forums. And now even they are fading from my interest. No one here seems to care about games anymore, and it's frustrating. It's ironic that so many "golden age" posters are checking in to a thread like this - I guess it just speaks to how detached we've become.
Regarding the mods and staff, I've always been vocal about my concerns with them. It seemed like none of them cared about the forums - there was minimal community involvement and they seemed to treat the site as a completely different entity. You'd be much more likely to find a staffer posting on neoGAF instead of our forums. This annoyed me a lot.. but after seeing the Staff Blog, I'm kind of glad they didn't interfere with us as much earlier on.
EDIT: Regarding Ian and Mario. Ian definitely insults people, but in a passive-aggressive, indirectly condescending, elitist, encompassing manner. Kind of like Evan. Some of the **** he types is unbelievably snobbish and self-righteous. Incidentally, this gets on my nerves much more than direct insults. Unfortunately, they aren't direct insults so the mods skim over them.
Mario is obviously an easier target. But Pale, I think you completely misunderstand some of his posts. Most of them are in jest and it's quite obvious that they are. Also, how is "Anyone who buys RE4 again is an idiot" any different from something Ian would say, like "Anyone who likes music from this decade has terrible taste and most likely loves Gigli"?
The modding on these boards has always been laughably inconsistent - either due to inactivity or plain stupidity. And it's the worst when mods themselves make the most inflammatory posts but they remain unchecked.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2009, 06:02:08 AM
Quote
Most of them are in jest and it's quite obvious that they are.
I'm really not sure anymore, if you would have asked me that a year ago I'd say, yes they are. But now it got to the point where you never knew if he was serious or not which made the insults even worse.
Anyway I'm sticking around! Even if it is to the horror of some of you. I personally like the direction of the forums so far, it seems like there is more direction and things have been getting cleaned up thanks to people like Mr. Jack and Pale.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 25, 2009, 06:12:18 AM
Most of them are in jest and it's quite obvious that they are.
Anyway I'm sticking around!
WAIT FOR ME BILL!
this is my way of trying to lighten the moon, if only for myself, and I in no way mean any disrespect to Bill. He was and always will be my favorite posters here even if we didn't have a direct relationship, so it's really sad to see him go.
As far as all this Ian crap goes... I'm sort of glad that his attitude is being put in the spotlight here, because he IS pretty damn condescending to almost everyone here. I know there's been a post or two of his that i read and got a little mad over because I took it personally, but...
Is all this arguing against him really worth it? He'll never pop his head in here to try and defend himself or anything, and in general it makes everyone here who's ranted against him look bad. I don't want to spit out the same ol' "Just ignore his post" rhetoric, so instead how about we just keep on clicking that "report to mod" button when we feel he's done wrong? If we all feel the same way about the majority of his post, and feel that the mods aren't doing they're job, I'm sure a flood of reported post will put the attention where it needs to be without attacking him here.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 06:21:05 AM
Well I'm gonna stick around. Gotta keep a nice balance of nice and not so nice. One thing that Bill pointed out was there wasn't much discusion after news gets posted.So I'll try and be more descriptive in my posts and I would like more discussion.I would advise everybody if someone posts something trollish than either ignore it or politely refute it.If that person continues then just ignore them or report them as EasyCure said.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 25, 2009, 08:52:24 AM
Nobody can truly understand the motive of somebody, unless that person explains it themselves. As long as someone is following the basic rules of the NWR forum they should not be banned.
I have always saw Ian as our devil's advocate and realist...he keeps us honest and makes us ask the hard questions. Sometimes his arguments are not always as valid, and sometimes we respond and he doesn't listen...but guess what, he doesn't have to.
We don't have to read his posts or respond to them, but we chose too...perhaps he did read our comments and either decided we will have to agree to disagree and not respond (I have done that many times) or he then agreed with us and decided there was no need to respond again...we just don't know.
Notice I am not getting into the banning stuff, because I haven't read what Mario said and the reasons he got banned...but banning is infrequent here and only when it is truly deserved. The other day GoldenPhoenix had gotten people upset because of one or two comments made after an Inauguration thread got too political. It was technically against the rules for everyone in that thread, but nobody was banned...which is good.
In fact, I wonder how many people that are agreeing with Bill's final rant, truly felt this way towards NWR before reading the rant? Perhaps you had leanings, or felt something was off, but for the most part their have not been widespread complaints about unfair moderators, or questioning the sites dedication to Nintendo. What I am saying, is I think Bill blew this out of proportion and some that miss his presence are agreeing with him purely on a more emotional level.
We all love this site because we come here daily to share our lives and love of Nintendo. The staff is great and never gets the full appreciation they deserve, but that is the internets...the internet never treats anyone with respect.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 09:10:22 AM
Yeah it can be hard to tell motives.Ian could be just trying to show the other side of the coin or he is trying to aggravate people.That's part of what makes this situation more stressful.
I have shared Bill's stance on this matter for a while.It frustrates me that we can't talk about a single game without it being spiraled into another thing.I don't like this "casual" and "HardCore" talk.Who cares if someone is in one group and not the other.It shouldn't matter!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Infernal Monkey on January 25, 2009, 09:11:01 AM
Haha, Mario just linked me to this. Bill's been fighting the good fight for quite some time, but I'm still kinda surprised he's leaving. And for exact same reason I pissed off out of here last year. This forum is a complete joke for anyone that actually wants to discuss video games. You've let the trolls like Ian run free for far too long. Every thread is instantly derailed with the same tired bullshit. Kinda sad, too. I've made some amazing friends here. This used to be a fun place to post. Props for surviving here a lot longer than I did, Bill. See you on MSN!
Also, Mario was banned? Jesus, what the hell. Enjoy your tumbleweed, NWR.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Dasmos on January 25, 2009, 09:26:40 AM
I feel like Ian’s been swinging trashbags around the forum for years. Sure, he’s got a right to his opinion just like everyone else. My beef with that is he’s been flogging that opinion for so long its become tired and bordering on absurd. That’s the annoying part.
This.
Ian's arguments and opinions aren't new, they've already been discussed at length in at least 100 different threads over a period of years. It's old and stale and I have basically stopped trying to respond to any of his post's in a civil manner because he just doesn't get it. And the truth is he never will.
Haha, Mario just linked me to this. Bill's been fighting the good fight for quite some time, but I'm still kinda surprised he's leaving. And for exact same reason I pissed off out of here last year. This forum is a complete joke for anyone that actually wants to discuss video games. You've let the trolls like Ian run free for far too long. Every thread is instantly derailed with the same tired bullshit. Kinda sad, too. I've made some amazing friends here. This used to be a fun place to post. Props for surviving here a lot longer than I did, Bill. See you on MSN!
Also, Mario was banned? Jesus, what the hell. Enjoy your tumbleweed, NWR.
Yeah, mid-last year was when NWR really bottomed out. It's improved since then, but barely.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 25, 2009, 10:59:22 AM
I've been more or less on my way out the past year and a half, really I don't see a reason to stay if the good people are picked on while the idiots get to say what they like and when called on they run to the mods and hold on to their skirts.
Sorry, Pale, but you have not been a fair Mod. From the beginning you have more or less turned a blind eye to the obvious and instead decided to take a so called stand on the most idiotic reasons. And NO and I a not going to go searching through the archives for an example. It's just fact, and really it's been pointed out already. You want people to be nice to each other, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, WHY DO YOU EVEN BOTHER? All you do is give Ian more an excuse to continue while people like Bill feel like they've just had a huge pile of crap dumped on thier heads.
Lindy, it may not be your agenda, but you sure as hell come off as a instigator in anti-Nintendo sentiment. Your remarks in the past speak for themselves.
Bill, good luck, I'll see you around the internet one form or another.
And as for Mario. I've "known" him for a while now and know that for the most part he is being facetious and anybody who doesn't know that should have a long time ago. If he was deliberately breaking the rules, did any of you mods think that maybe there was a reason why. Ian is possibly the worst member on this forum, but you refuse to call him out. Is it because it's easier to go after the ones that fight back, (which is just about the most cowardly and slimy thing possible) or are one of you really Ian?
Have you realized that NWR has not been a very active place the past couple of years? It doesn't take a genius to realize that when you let people like Ian decide the attitude and environment of the place, then people won't want to come back.
Just go and look at the welcome thread. How many of those people are still here?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 25, 2009, 11:05:49 AM
Well I'm sorry you guys feel the way you do. I know for a fact that Pale and I are in and out of the forums all day, checking threads and watching what's going on. As a result, I think things seem more mod happy than they really are.
Also keep in mind that the "Report to Moderator" link that appears on every post directly links to the staff's email. Typically anything you've seen modded is a result of multiple posters complaining and pointing it out to staff. Yes, we make the final call, so it isn't like we do what people ask verbatim, but when you have a number of members complaining, you deal with it, just as many of you have pointed out.
To be totally honest, I've checked out of the forums largely as well, but for the exact opposite reasons as many of you. I got tired of personal attacks against anyone who questioned anything Nintendo did. You couldn't say you liked x game in the series better than y without the whole world shitting on you. You couldn't say that you enjoyed an HD game because, "HD gaming is a waste, etc, etc, etc." It got annoying.
Just because this is a Nintendo forum doesn't mean we can't talk about non-Nintendo games. As a matter of fact, I think this was the ideal place to talk about non-Nintendo games, because as Nintendo fans we all share similar tastes. For me, discussion became far too polarized. Whether I defended one side or the other, someone **** on me, and it got really annoying.
You can all complain about Ian, but the guy at least has common courtesy. I tend to agree with him from time to time, and on a number of occasions I have seen him spark good debate; when people aren't dismissing him by calling him a retard and leaving the thread. If you guys can't stand the guy so much, ignore him. Don't fling **** and expect the mods to not do anything.
I'm sorry that you are leaving the site Bill, I think you definitely brought good discussion here, and I know you will be missed. I'm also sorry that a number of you don't see the heart in NWR any more, but it is there. Remember, every single person on this staff is a volunteer. Many of us treat the site as a second job, and invest a massive amount of our personal time into it when we get home from school/work/whatever. We know some people don't appreciate what we do, but we do it because we love it and because we are all still Nintendo fans at heart.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: TheFleece on January 25, 2009, 12:40:54 PM
I've been reading the thread and trying figure out how I feel about this. I'm still pretty new to the forums and so I'm not very familiar with everyone's actions. I will just say that this is a community that is formed by what people put into it- not the mods, but the users. We all make this a place and reason to come back. It's always tough to interact with someone who has a one track motive in any situation, but I think that trying to suggest that Ian's posts be ignored is wrong because it goes against the MO of a forum. It sucks to see Bill leave, I liked his posts and opinions. In general any member leaving because of the actions of another member is a sad reaction. This is the only Nintendo site I visit and also the only forums I deal with. I realize how the site is run and take the size of the staff into account when I see lots of reviews flying around and see nothing here, but I accept it because I come here for the forums, before it was about the podcast, but now it's about playing games and talking it out with everyone. Bill, your presence will be missed. Peace.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2009, 01:25:07 PM
Well, on the positive side I hope this thread gets noticed by the staff and decide to do something about this.
Didn't Ian get warned once? I think it was on a SSB thread, one of the mods pretty much told him to tone it down and he did calm down for a bit afterwards.
Anyone remember this?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 25, 2009, 02:09:31 PM
We decided to do something about all of this prior to this thread. All comments are definitely being taken into account.
I urge everyone to make use of the report to moderator feature going forward though.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ThePerm on January 25, 2009, 02:21:42 PM
Thefleece said it pretty well I think it should be more of a shock for those who run the website if one of the senior members leave. Bill represents the core of the website, if the core of the website falls apart then it just shows the website that it has become poor. I remember there used to be a ton of websites that I went to back in the day like opn2000, projectn2000, tendobox, tendoproject, ign64, nintendojo. The difference between all of those was at least two the website were competent and cared about their readers. At some point it was a struggle to get hits and it was important to keep viewers reeled in. The fish are swimming away.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2009, 03:07:41 PM
We decided to do something about all of this prior to this thread. All comments are definitely being taken into account.
I urge everyone to make use of the report to moderator feature going forward though.
Speaking of the "report to moderator" feature, I hope that if people use it the mods do take the claims into consideration.
One time, back when the Brawl forum was still around I was in an argument with someone (don't remember who) and that person called me a hypocrite. When I warned a mod about it all he said was "Eh, it was a mild insult". Whether the insult was harsh or mild it was still a personal attack, and those are against the rules.
So if people do use the feature please read what they have to say before jumping into conclusions.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 25, 2009, 03:30:18 PM
This is what happens when I go out of town for a couple of days.... :(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on January 25, 2009, 04:13:34 PM
One time, back when the Brawl forum was still around I was in an argument with someone (don't remember who) and that person called me a hypocrite. When I warned a mod about it all he said was "Eh, it was a mild insult". Whether the insult was harsh or mild it was still a personal attack, and those are against the rules.
I only vaguely recall this incident, but I'm inclined to agree with the mod on this one. Someone calling you a hypocrite isn't a direct insult. It sounds like someone disagreed with you and you went crying to mommy. Mommy told you to grow a pair. (Believe it or not, I don't mean this in a rude way--it's just the only way I can think to describe it.)
If someone called you a moron for saying two different things at different times it's an insult. If someone calls you a hypocrite for the same reason it's not an insult, they're just calling you out.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 25, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
Myself, I self-identify as a fanboi, I was positively GIDDY at Nintendo's E3 2008 conference (yeah? what? So there!)
Does it mean nothing that I call Animal Crossing a CORE game and Wii Music is the VERY NEXT game I intend to buy?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 25, 2009, 04:31:44 PM
So I finally got around to reading that FF XIII thread that keeps being mentioned (i've never, EVER been into FF games and rarely go into the general gaming boards since I only own Nintendo consoles) and... wow. What a train wreck.
Personally I thought Bill/Deg were being treated unfairly because of the complete dismissal of Ians troll-post. Yes, it was trolling because as stated it had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and a troll doesn't neccesiarily have to mean someone who attacks others, one could get away with trolling by simply flaming others and be the one attacked and have no ramifications set against themselves; see Pale's comments to Bill & Deg, yet nothing was said to Ian who really never returned to the thread (as far as we know).
That ymeegod person was pretty rude as well and no one did anything.
This next statement might be more of an emotional response due to reading that thread AFTER what happened and its end results, but... Pale came off as kind of 'fanboyish' and if i were in a position where i felt like my back was against a wall becuase my views were opposite of his, I might of been just a litle more upset that an obvious troll was being overlooked and I was the one being picked on.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 25, 2009, 04:46:41 PM
Yes, we read every single moderator report that comes in. I can assure you of that. However, Pale is the Community Manager, and I defer to him because I think he does a great job.
Understand that in order to get perma-banned, you have to REALLY try hard. We don't ban people without cause, we don't do it on a whim, and we don't get any pleasure out of doing it (frankly, it's a bunch of drama we don't need). Mario misbehaved repeatedly. Being facetious is one thing, but coming in and dropping f-bombs for no reason whatsoever is entirely another. He absolutely deserved to be banned. His tenure here doesn't entitle him to a blank check in terms of his behavior.
As for Ian, from what I see people don't like his opinions. I'm not going to ban anybody on this forum for their opinions. That goes against the very nature of what these forums stand for. Myself and the staff have watched Ian for a long time, and if he was breaking rules all over the place he'd already be gone. He doesn't launch personal attacks, he really doesn't swear, and he does raise points. I'm not defending the guy, but I am being fair. In all honesty, I've seen many occasions when Ian will actually raise a good point, only to be attacked with vitriol by several people who are reacting based on their opinion of him rather than what he has actually posted. It takes two to tango in any flame war. Some people simply refuse to walk away from an argument and agree to disagree, and would rather stoke the flames in a fruitless effort to prove that they're right instead of defusing the situation.
With that said, if somebody thinks somebody else is trolling, please use the Report to Moderator feature. That's what it's there for. For all of the complaining that people do about Ian, I can't recall any of the offended parties ever reporting his posts to us. If I'm wrong here forgive me, but I get all moderator reports in email and I look at every single one. I can't be in every thread, but I do get every email.
I can't directly control whether or not people stay or leave this forum. That's up to them. Instead, I'm going to focus on what I can control: the quality of Nintendo coverage we have, the timeliness of news, the quality and quantity of reviews, and the quality and quantity of special features. And rest assured that I am dedicated to improving all of those things. However, it will take time and effort. You guys may not see the effort from your vantage point, but it's happening. It will take some time to bear fruit, but the seeds are being planted. I hope you all stick around to see it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 25, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Not going to lie...I thought Bill was stronger than this. He was always known to me as the biggest Nintendo fan on here. In most topics in the past, it was always Ian with the pessimism and Bill with the optimism.
Nothing's changed. It's weird for him to all the sudden be fed up with it, especially considering the state of Nintendo today.
I'm honestly disappointed.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2009, 05:13:12 PM
Not going to lie...I thought Bill was stronger than this. He was always known to me as the biggest Nintendo fan on here. In most topics in the past, it was always Ian with the pessimism and Bill with the optimism.
Nothing's changed. It's weird for him to all the sudden be fed up with it, especially considering the state of Nintendo today.
I'm honestly disappointed.
I'm surprised as well. The forums have seen worse (the final name of the Revolution, E3 2008, the launch of the Wii, Red Steel etc.) and people have held in there. In comparison the forums are calmer save for a few.
The reason I left a few months ago was because gaming discussion was in the pit. People were too busy being negative, angsty and ranty in order to discuss game, and that annoyed me. Note that this happened around the end of E3 2008. Now things are a tad different. Hell, people are discussing City Folk without much tension.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 25, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
One time, back when the Brawl forum was still around I was in an argument with someone (don't remember who) and that person called me a hypocrite. When I warned a mod about it all he said was "Eh, it was a mild insult". Whether the insult was harsh or mild it was still a personal attack, and those are against the rules.
I only vaguely recall this incident, but I'm inclined to agree with the mod on this one. Someone calling you a hypocrite isn't a direct insult. It sounds like someone disagreed with you and you went crying to mommy. Mommy told you to grow a pair. (Believe it or not, I don't mean this in a rude way--it's just the only way I can think to describe it.)
If someone called you a moron for saying two different things at different times it's an insult. If someone calls you a hypocrite for the same reason it's not an insult, they're just calling you out.
Calling someone a hypocrite is a direct personal attack. Being called a hypocrite is not a nice thing. Regardless of whether it's mild or harsh. And if that's against the rules then it's against the rules. It just goes to show that depending on the Mod who gets the complaint the discipline or lack there of, is where the problem is. There should be one standard and all members should be held to that and Mods should not pick and choose how they act on the complaints.
The problem with Mods is some don't know the difference between friends and business friends.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Sessha on January 25, 2009, 05:46:53 PM
Well that really sucks, I was never around that long, I was a lurker a long time from the planetgamecube days and then for a while I posted around but there were a few members I thought would be around forever, Bill, Pap, Kairon, and Ian. It really won't be the same without him.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 25, 2009, 05:50:46 PM
The saddest part is even if things changed tomorrow, Bill wouldn't be back in full force because of his personal/proffesional life.. He was going to have to go eventualy, and this wasn't how it shuld've been.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 05:53:58 PM
Wow lots of former posters are chiming in on this.It makes ya think how much Bill meant to them and the forums.
I agree completely EasyCure.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on January 25, 2009, 05:59:22 PM
Understand that in order to get perma-banned, you have to REALLY try hard. We don't ban people without cause, we don't do it on a whim, and we don't get any pleasure out of doing it (frankly, it's a bunch of drama we don't need).
And this is a big part of the problem as far as I'm concerned. Why treat banning as a last resort? It's not a nuke (that would be shutting down the forums completely); it's a targeted assault. (I can't believe I'm saying this, but) Kotaku is great because they regularly ban terrible posters. If someone is all around sucky, get rid of them. Posting is a privilege, not a right. If nothing else, I think you should temp-ban people at the drop of a hat. It would keep people on their toes and make them think before they post something for the world to see.
EDIT: I am not referring to anyone specific poster. Truth be told, I don't think we have that many people fit into the above category. But they are out there, and life would be better if they were gone.
One time, back when the Brawl forum was still around I was in an argument with someone (don't remember who) and that person called me a hypocrite. When I warned a mod about it all he said was "Eh, it was a mild insult". Whether the insult was harsh or mild it was still a personal attack, and those are against the rules.
I only vaguely recall this incident, but I'm inclined to agree with the mod on this one. Someone calling you a hypocrite isn't a direct insult. It sounds like someone disagreed with you and you went crying to mommy. Mommy told you to grow a pair. (Believe it or not, I don't mean this in a rude way--it's just the only way I can think to describe it.)
If someone called you a moron for saying two different things at different times it's an insult. If someone calls you a hypocrite for the same reason it's not an insult, they're just calling you out.
Calling someone a hypocrite is a direct personal attack. Being called a hypocrite is not a nice thing. Regardless of whether it's mild or harsh. And if that's against the rules then it's against the rules. It just goes to show that depending on the Mod who gets the complaint the discipline or lack there of, is where the problem is. There should be one standard and all members should be held to that and Mods should not pick and choose how they act on the complaints.
The problem with Mods is some don't know the difference between friends and business friends.
Exactly my point.
It doesn't matter if the insult is mild or harsh, the important thing is that if the rules say no direct personal attacks no matter the commenter or the topic then it should be enforcer and everyone warned. I didn't ask for the guy to get warned but a warning was indeed needed and that's mainly what I wanted.
I've been to forums where they are far much strict as to what you can do or say, and people accept it just fine. Some people seem to forget that when you sign up to a forum you first have to accept the terms of service. When you accept it you agree to all of the rules and accept to be disciplined if you break them. Mods and staff members also seem to forget this and either ignore the offending posts or go easy on them.
Both the staff members and the forum members are bound to the rules as mentioned in the ToS. All must follow it. Once this is done everyone gets respect points and the forums have credibility.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 25, 2009, 06:15:08 PM
Understand that in order to get perma-banned, you have to REALLY try hard. We don't ban people without cause, we don't do it on a whim, and we don't get any pleasure out of doing it (frankly, it's a bunch of drama we don't need).
And this is a big part of the problem as far as I'm concerned. Why treat banning as a last resort? It's not a nuke (that would be shutting down the forums completely); it's a targeted assault. (I can't believe I'm saying this, but) Kotaku is great because they regularly ban terrible posters. If someone is all around sucky, get rid of them. Posting is a privilege, not a right. If nothing else, I think you should temp-ban people at the drop of a hat. It would keep people on their toes and make them think before they post something for the world to see.
EDIT: I am not referring to anyone specific poster. Truth be told, I don't think we have that many people fit into the above category. But they are out there, and life would be better if they were gone.
I don't think I'm comfortable with the idea that banning should be used to weed out "sub-standard" posters. Most of those people GoldenPhoenix seems perfectly capable of chasing away on her own... j/k &P
Calling someone a hypocrite is a direct personal attack. Being called a hypocrite is not a nice thing. Regardless of whether it's mild or harsh. And if that's against the rules then it's against the rules. It just goes to show that depending on the Mod who gets the complaint the discipline or lack there of, is where the problem is. There should be one standard and all members should be held to that and Mods should not pick and choose how they act on the complaints.
I don't know. Is it a personal attack if someone is specifically called a hypocrite? Is it a personal attack if their actions are described as hypocritical? What's the difference?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2009, 06:25:55 PM
Regarding the hypocrite comment to be perfectly honest I don't remember who said it or on what thread it happened. What I remember was that it was a Brawl thread. Those that know me remember that I made a lot of comment regarding Brawl, from conspiracy theories in the story mode to the bad online mode. This annoyed people, especially when many just wanted to enjoy the game.
This happened in one of those discussions. The poster directly called me a hypocrite for a comment he disagreed on and rather than trying to discuss it he wanted to fight it. It just struck me as odd because we were discussing a game, and while we do get passionate about games around here I think calling someone a hypocrite over gaming discussion is pretty harsh.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on January 25, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
It doesn't matter if the insult is mild or harsh, the important thing is that if the rules say no direct personal attacks no matter the commenter or the topic then it should be enforcer and everyone warned. I didn't ask for the guy to get warned but a warning was indeed needed and that's mainly what I wanted.
I've been to forums where they are far much strict as to what you can do or say, and people accept it just fine. Some people seem to forget that when you sign up to a forum you first have to accept the terms of service. When you accept it you agree to all of the rules and accept to be disciplined if you break them. Mods and staff members also seem to forget this and either ignore the offending posts or go easy on them.
Both the staff members and the forum members are bound to the rules as mentioned in the ToS. All must follow it. Once this is done everyone gets respect points and the forums have credibility.
I don't appreciate your tone and I find it insulting. Consider yourself reported. ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 25, 2009, 06:48:28 PM
Understand that in order to get perma-banned, you have to REALLY try hard. We don't ban people without cause, we don't do it on a whim, and we don't get any pleasure out of doing it (frankly, it's a bunch of drama we don't need).
And this is a big part of the problem as far as I'm concerned. Why treat banning as a last resort? It's not a nuke (that would be shutting down the forums completely); it's a targeted assault. (I can't believe I'm saying this, but) Kotaku is great because they regularly ban terrible posters. If someone is all around sucky, get rid of them. Posting is a privilege, not a right. If nothing else, I think you should temp-ban people at the drop of a hat. It would keep people on their toes and make them think before they post something for the world to see.
EDIT: I am not referring to anyone specific poster. Truth be told, I don't think we have that many people fit into the above category. But they are out there, and life would be better if they were gone.
I don't think I'm comfortable with the idea that banning should be used to weed out "sub-standard" posters. Most of those people GoldenPhoenix seems perfectly capable of chasing away on her own... j/k &P
Calling someone a hypocrite is a direct personal attack. Being called a hypocrite is not a nice thing. Regardless of whether it's mild or harsh. And if that's against the rules then it's against the rules. It just goes to show that depending on the Mod who gets the complaint the discipline or lack there of, is where the problem is. There should be one standard and all members should be held to that and Mods should not pick and choose how they act on the complaints.
I don't know. Is it a personal attack if someone is specifically called a hypocrite? Is it a personal attack if their actions are described as hypocritical? What's the difference?
None really, both are a cheap way of insulting someone. Being called a hypocrite or hypocritical is a direct insult to the person it is directed at, where personally to them or their opinions, and when you're on a forum, or anywhere on the internet, this is the basest form of attack one can do to someone.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 25, 2009, 06:50:59 PM
The site staff has gone moderator happy in recent month, yes I know that the Hawtness thread probably would have ended up with NWR somehow being sued, and political thread always were killed on site. But the age of the nonsense and Funhouse has died. Vendettas and harmless personal attack are gone, the site's weird sense of humor is dieing, and what made this site better than all other forums is slowly, completely, and irreversibly disappearing.
And this is a big part of the problem as far as I'm concerned. Why treat banning as a last resort? It's not a nuke (that would be shutting down the forums completely); it's a targeted assault. (I can't believe I'm saying this, but) Kotaku is great because they regularly ban terrible posters. If someone is all around sucky, get rid of them. Posting is a privilege, not a right. If nothing else, I think you should temp-ban people at the drop of a hat. It would keep people on their toes and make them think before they post something for the world to see.
We as staffers are often in a no-win situation. When we do intervene, we're labelled as being mod-happy. When we don't, we're accused of not taking control of our own forums. We try to be consistent as best we can (and I think that that is happening, especially since Pale has taken over as CM). But realize that it's a tough job and we'll never make everybody happy.
So what say the forum? Harsh or lenient? We can go either way.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on January 25, 2009, 06:54:42 PM
Ban stevey. ;D
Don't censor ideas. Don't get rid of people who criticize Nintendo if they do it in the proper sections and in a civilized manner.
However, if people troll posts by criticizing Nintendo (or any other company) when it's uncalled for, ban away (even if it's temporary).
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 06:58:33 PM
I agree with Vudu and would add that you get 2 temp bans.3rd offense you are gone.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Dasmos on January 25, 2009, 07:01:01 PM
Not going to lie...I thought Bill was stronger than this. He was always known to me as the biggest Nintendo fan on here. In most topics in the past, it was always Ian with the pessimism and Bill with the optimism.
Nothing's changed. It's weird for him to all the sudden be fed up with it, especially considering the state of Nintendo today.
I'm honestly disappointed.
People get fed up. Bill's not Superman, he had a breaking point and I guess it was finally reached.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2009, 07:02:38 PM
It doesn't matter if the insult is mild or harsh, the important thing is that if the rules say no direct personal attacks no matter the commenter or the topic then it should be enforcer and everyone warned. I didn't ask for the guy to get warned but a warning was indeed needed and that's mainly what I wanted.
I've been to forums where they are far much strict as to what you can do or say, and people accept it just fine. Some people seem to forget that when you sign up to a forum you first have to accept the terms of service. When you accept it you agree to all of the rules and accept to be disciplined if you break them. Mods and staff members also seem to forget this and either ignore the offending posts or go easy on them.
Both the staff members and the forum members are bound to the rules as mentioned in the ToS. All must follow it. Once this is done everyone gets respect points and the forums have credibility.
I don't appreciate your tone and I find it insulting. Consider yourself reported. ;)
Considering the jokes, comments and arguments I've gotten myself into in the last few years surprised I haven't been reported yet :p .
One thing I wanted to mentioned about Bill's post is the negativity regarding gaming.
Now, this is a problem of the generation, not the site. This generation of gaming has been one of drastic change, and as such people will have an opinion of it and there will be many that will be alienated by it. The people alienated by all of this are young internet viewers who perhaps don't understand what is going on and loudly express it.
This is to be expected as fans can be finicky and have no qualms regarding courtesy or respect. The problem lies when the mods, staff members and journalists of a website act just as bad, if not worse, than the fans. This is an issue because this gives more powers to trollers and use them as a excuse to troll and be angsty.
It may sound like I am silencing the opinion of said people. I'm not. Its just that when you go to every website that has a "OMG Wii sucks" or "OMG the 360 is made of fail" you expect something different, and its annoying when the higher ups are catering to that.
As much as I respect RMC my biggest gripe is that sometimes he keeps going on and on about certain subjects, both good and bad. It gets to the point where he uses any newstory to pop in an opinion or comment, making it look like he is trying hard to get the point across and making fans along the way. Yes, he entitled to his opinion, but when he can't help but make a comment about Sonic in an entry about video footage its like he is fanning the flames and giving fuel to the trolls.
My recommendation to the staff members of NWR about dealing with Nintendo and/or Sony/MS negativity is to try and bring an alternative point of view to the matter and don't just focus on one aspect. Or at least be calm and respectful about it. Don't use every newstory to bring a point across. Don't fan the flames in a heated discussion. If things are getting out of hand, bring out a different opinion or use the ban hammer if needed.
Again, this is hard to do since there's no way to stop how people feel about a company or gaming generation. What can be done is controlled the attitude by pointing out other facts, warning those that want to start trouble and focus on civil discussion.
Lindy: Regarding being a mod, just ban and warn when you or anyone feels something is getting out of hand. Of course the guilty ones will say there's abuse of power and will cry foul, but that's to be expected.
The reality is that the Hawtness Thread DID start as a fun, silly topic. But people pushed it with pornographic content, despite some of it being mild by internet standards. If the rules say that no pornographic imagery is to be posted them you should embrace that and lay down the law.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on January 25, 2009, 07:05:06 PM
I ... would add that you get 2 temp bans.3rd offense you are gone.
I don't think it needs to go that far. There's no need for black & white rules when something is certainly a gray area.
Three minor offenses do not necessarily equal a large offense.
If someone gets a little out of hand on a regular basis, there's no reason to permanently ban them. But they might need regular reminders in the form of a forced break from posting. This is something that needs to be left to the discretion of the mods.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 25, 2009, 07:07:57 PM
I don't know. Is it a personal attack if someone is specifically called a hypocrite? Is it a personal attack if their actions are described as hypocritical? What's the difference?
None really, both are a cheap way of insulting someone. Being called a hypocrite or hypocritical is a direct insult to the person it is directed at, where personally to them or their opinions, and when you're on a forum, or anywhere on the internet, this is the basest form of attack one can do to someone.
So there is really is no arena in which the term "hypocrite" would be acceptable? I'm flabbergasted! Isn't "hypocritical" a perfectly accurate descriptor for certain kinds of behavior? For example, some might use the word to describe the recent comments from 2K games on crappy Wii titles, and I think such would be a valid argument. Or is it alright to directly insult a company but not each other?
I think analyzing something and finding it hypocritical would be a perfectly rational action. In fact, I invite people to point out my hypocrisies as I often find it a galvanizing way of re-evaluating my behavior.
Or is it just that to be insinuated as hypocritical, whether it be you, your ideas, or your actions, simply overrides everyone's brains into a fight-flight stance?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Dasmos on January 25, 2009, 07:17:24 PM
Calling someone a hypocrite if you can back it up is not an insult. No way.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 25, 2009, 07:31:23 PM
It would be great to live in a black-white world with no gray. But I don't want to say it's okay to attack companies and not people, but in the end I'm going to have to because the companies are not members (to my knowledge, but who knows.) and almost always it's done in a way to demoralize the other person. Sure there is nothing to be done about hurting other people's feelings, but that doesn't mean there can't be a concerted effort not to do just that, even if in the end we aren't all going to get along butterflies and sunshine.
When someone is called a hypocrite it's usually done because the person slinging it around can't think of a normal convincing argument against what the other person has to say so they just call them a hypocrite because they don't like their idea's/opinions whether they have genuinely changed over time or not. It's a fact of life, you are allowed to change your mind, and you don't have to give a reason why and defend it, and you shouldn't be called out on it either.
I always go by the rule, if I don't have something nice or meaningful to add, I don't say anything even if I want to really try and force my opinion out there. You can not possible know how many times these last nearly 6 years we've had this forum I have deleted everything I have typed before posting because the only thing I would accomplish would be to cause a fight. (Ian should follow that philosophy before he post what he seemingly pulls out of his butt just about every time he posts something, then maybe so many people here wouldn't dislike or outright hate him.)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 25, 2009, 07:35:48 PM
I've been temp banned, and recently, warned and I'm still here.
Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 25, 2009, 07:41:04 PM
I always go by the rule, if I don't have something nice or meaningful to add, I don't say anything even if I want to really try and force my opinion out there. You can not possible know how many times these last nearly 6 years we've had this forum I have deleted everything I have typed before posting because the only thing I would accomplish would be to cause a fight.
I now follow this rule as well. If I don't have anything positive to add to the conversation, I don't bother. If I disagree with somebody's opinion, I shake my head and move on to the next thread. I failed to do this in the past and it's resulted in me saying things out of frustration that I now regret. But, live and learn as they say.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 25, 2009, 07:46:05 PM
I always go by the rule, if I don't have something nice or meaningful to add, I don't say anything even if I want to really try and force my opinion out there. You can not possible know how many times these last nearly 6 years we've had this forum I have deleted everything I have typed before posting because the only thing I would accomplish would be to cause a fight.
I know exactly what you're saying Nitsu. I've done the same thing so very often myself actually, it's a good rule to follow to double check whether you really have anything nice or rational to add.
However, I won't avoid topics just because I might disagree passionately. It's just that I don't want to be involved just because I disagree with someone. I try to avoid being someone who posts their disagreement without actually having something interesting to say... Though I wonder how successful I've been in the effort.
I always go by the rule, if I don't have something nice or meaningful to add, I don't say anything even if I want to really try and force my opinion out there. You can not possible know how many times these last nearly 6 years we've had this forum I have deleted everything I have typed before posting because the only thing I would accomplish would be to cause a fight.
I know exactly what you're saying Nitsu. I've done the same thing so very often myself actually, it's a good rule to follow to double check whether you really have anything nice or rational to add.
However, I won't avoid topics just because I might disagree passionately. It's just that I don't want to be involved just because I disagree with someone. I try to avoid being someone who posts their disagreement without actually having something interesting to say... Though I wonder how successful I've been in the effort.
I've been temp banned, and recently, warned and I'm still here.
Just sayin'.
Man, I remember when I got sternly warned by the mods for writing out my signature explicitly in each post...
T_T
Miss writing out my sig...
It all depends on how the opinion is expressed. You could disagree with the greatest thing ever and still be respected for it as long as you are calm and have facts to support your claims, and of course you don't belittle everyone else. I know I said Ian tends to follow the rule, but he does sometimes present his opinion in a condescending manner and it annoys people.
All of us are guilty of this, myself included.
Not to create any black blood between any of us, but one recent example was Dirk Temporo in the pre-order thread. He clearly doesn't pre-order because he believes in saving money and he can get the games anytime. That's no problem since its a purchase decision and everyone does things their way (some rent, some buy, some buy used, some buy at launch, some buy for cheap etc.). But what really annoyed me was the nasty attitude he brought into the thread. The thread was something he disagrees with, but he felt the need to try and mock and belittle anyone that pre-orders.
I confess I didn't make things easier with my negative attitude, and in hindsight I should have walked away, but his attitude really annoyed me because he had nothing to bring to the thread. He just wanted to make a nasty point across, and frankly this isn't the first time.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2009, 08:03:59 PM
This thread has exploded since I last seen it! Anyway all I have to say is personal insults are never a good thing, and do nothing but hurt the image of the site (Yes I include myself in there when I've actually stepped over the line) so honestly I'm not too disappointed Mario is gone. Maybe if it was a year ago I'd think differently because he had some pretty funny "devils advocate" posts but it got to the point where I had no idea if he was joking anymore and he seemed to stoop more and more to insulting people. With that said I'm not sure his ban was worth it because of the loss of Bill, who was always a great poster, perhaps a bit too optimistic at times but he brought quite a bit of spirit to the boards even with his creepy anime screen shots!
I know, for myself, if I got warned I'd do my best to avoid perpetuating whatever it was that I was warned about. It appears Mario was warned multiple times and kept on ignoring the warnings, something that really cannot be tolerated unless you don't want people to respect any kind of moderating authority.
I'm definitely not for banning posters that do not contribute to a respectfully semi-intelligent level (One comes to mind) but I do support temp banning or perma ban for those that blatantly ignore the rules even after multiple warnings from moderators. I do NOT want this place to turn into GoNintendo or Gamefaqs which are good examples of what happens when you let members run rampant and do whatever they please.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 25, 2009, 08:05:51 PM
Wait the mods told you you couldn't write it out.Did they give you any reason?
Someone on the forum complained. T_T
The mods told me I had to have my signature in the sig proper... but that's just soooo not the same. T_T
Also, they made my actual real name become a banned word for a day or two. T_T
You guys wanna talk about mod abuse talk about that...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 08:11:42 PM
That isn't right.
So what are the mods gonna do about this situation with Ian,Bill,Mario?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2009, 08:17:59 PM
Funny enough, I once told GP in a PM that I appreciated NWR far more than Go Nintendo and VG chartz. I am an active member on both of those sites, yeah I can vouch that none can compare to the quality this site has, despite its warts.
Like GP mentioned the users at Go Nintendo do nothing but whine, troll and complain without any real control or warning. I understand that RMC can be a busy guy and probably needs the heads up on bad behavior, but considering its HIS site he really needs to take charge (and tone his attitude while at it).
The people at VG Chartz are quite nice and made many friends there. But the boards are nothing but fickle sales discussion and trolling. I know the site is about videogame sales, but the minute a game is proven a hit through estimates people go crazy and make celebratory threads that lead to nothing. Not to mention the troll ratio is really high.
It might not be balanced, but NWR at least focuses on game discussion. Its one of the few sites I've been to this generation where people actively discuss games while everyone else just whine, bitches, trolls and complains.
Its why I've been voicing my complaints because the site IS good and don't want it to go to hell.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 25, 2009, 08:21:56 PM
but weren't the PGC forums the place for nintendo fans went to bitch about everything? :-P hows this any different ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2009, 08:22:32 PM
Pap I think your hypocrite insult is buried in this nasty thread that I hate to bring up again. Pale hated me for a LONG time after this. Now this is a time where we all acted stupid and probably should have all been banned. :)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2009, 08:23:48 PM
You guys wanna talk about mod abuse talk about that...
That's perfectly acceptable as far as I'm concerned. In fact, I rather appreciate it. ;D (Do you think I asked for my current title?)
It gives the site a bit of personality. People complain that NWR has become sterile. They say there's nothing that separates it from countless other Nintendo-related fan sites. A few playful jabs from the mods shows us they care. :) Say what you want about SUPER, but the guy left his mark on the forums (read: the Funhouse).
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2009, 08:27:51 PM
If you guys want a testament to how this site still has heart and is still a good place, just look at this thread. People are freely expressing their opinions both pro and con without getting overly nasty. It shows people still care and I doubt many places could have such a free wielding and respectful thread like this.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 25, 2009, 08:30:06 PM
If you guys want a testament to how this site still has heart and is still a good place, just look at this thread. People are freely expressing their opinions both pro and con without getting overly nasty. It shows people still care and I doubt many places could have such a free wielding and respectful thread like this.
And that is Bills legacy here...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 08:32:56 PM
I agree Golden but why did Bill have to leave so that we are acting nice and respectful.It shouldn't of come to this.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2009, 08:34:09 PM
I agree Golden but why did Bill have to leave so that we are acting nice and respectful.It shouldn't of come to this.
I think it was already moving towards that direction because of the moderators here. But I do think this thread helped to bring to light people's frustrations which can be a good thing in the long term.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 08:44:56 PM
I agree Golden but why did Bill have to leave so that we are acting nice and respectful.It shouldn't of come to this.
I think it was already moving towards that direction because of the moderators here. But I do think this thread helped to bring to light people's frustrations which can be a good thing in the long term.
Well I agree.At the beginning of the thread I was more angry than sad.I'm still sad alot but the anger has mostly subsided. Hopefully this kind and respectful tone can spread to the rest of the forum.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2009, 08:50:18 PM
Pap I think your hypocrite insult is buried in this nasty thread that I hate to bring up again. Pale hated me for a LONG time after this. Now this is a time where we all acted stupid and probably should have all been banned. :)
I read the whole thing and this wasn't it (unless I missed it). The discussion was about how I thought Melee was rushed and showed some warts and everyone disagreeing with me. It definitely got out of hand, and I didn't help either.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2009, 09:00:01 PM
Pap I think your hypocrite insult is buried in this nasty thread that I hate to bring up again. Pale hated me for a LONG time after this. Now this is a time where we all acted stupid and probably should have all been banned. :)
I read the whole thing and this wasn't it (unless I missed it). The discussion was about how I thought Melee was rushed and showed some warts and everyone disagreeing with me. It definitely got out of hand, and I didn't help either.
Good times. :P
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 09:04:16 PM
I have a small request could someone sticky this as a reminder to be respectful of one another and the consequences of not doing so.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 25, 2009, 09:08:43 PM
God, I feel like I'm in kindergarten.
What have you done, BILL!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 09:13:14 PM
Stogi it wasn't really Bills fault.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2009, 09:15:39 PM
Good bye Bill.:'(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: D_Average on January 25, 2009, 09:59:10 PM
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 26, 2009, 12:06:07 AM
Maxi sent me a PM about his earlier comment and instead of replying to him, I wanted to reply to everyone.
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Stogi my comment about stickying Bill's topic came of as condisending.I just want people to get along and be nice to each other. That wasn't a good idea.Stickying the thread.
The idea was fine. I'm more concerned about everyone's new idea for the forums. As a long time poster, I have said and done many despicable things for the sake of hilarity. For instance, I'd make fun of Bill by saying his fantasy was to have Link break into his house and rape him.....,,,over and over again. It's been such a long running joke that I honestly can't remember the first time I made it up. That, by what maybe our new standards, is completely unacceptable and that makes me frightened by the future.
I remember way back when, when I used my original handle, how great these forums were. People would mock each other, clown each other, and generally disrespect each other entirely; but when it came down to a discussion, we enlightened each other; inspired each other. I don't think that core has left, but faded. All we need is some more discussions and more personality so when one poster says something horrid, it'll be taken as a joke rather than an insult.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2009, 12:08:23 AM
No comment.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 26, 2009, 12:15:57 AM
Well I personally think that joking around is fine.I just wish we had more conversations about games.Not about all these other things like 3rd party support and casual vs hardcore.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 26, 2009, 12:21:42 AM
Well you can blame Nintendo for that. Their new policy of releasing information is stifling conversations. There's no anticipation threads.
Remember when Brawl had the daily blog? There will never be anything like that again.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2009, 12:23:10 AM
Well I personally think that joking around is fine.I just wish we had more conversations about games.Not about all these other things like 3rd party support and casual vs hardcore.
Also I think this "joking" around is not always the case. It seems to be an explanation that people are giving to defend personal attacks that appear to be anything BUT joking around. I'm sorry but calling someone a dense moron isn't funny, and even in context didn't even come across as "joking" around.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 26, 2009, 12:26:27 AM
You've never called a friend an idiot or jackass? Obviously Ian was taking the whole title of the game too seriously. Calling him a "dense moron" for not realizing the blatant joke is definitely a joke.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2009, 12:29:07 AM
You've never called a friend an idiot or jackass? Obviously Ian was taking the whole title of the game too seriously. Calling him a "dense moron" for not realizing the blatant joke is definitely a joke.
So now Ian is a friend? Seems people hate him here which puts even more credibility behind the fact it was not a joke. It would be like me openly insulting a forum member here that I've had contempt for, calling them a blithering idiot in a thread. You usually do not "joke" with people who you dislike, that is why things like racial slurs tend to be "OK" amongst friends but if a stranger does it or you direct it at someone who you greatly dislike, it turns into a personal insult. It was totally inappropriate and I felt it was justified (yes I was one of those that reported it) to call it what it was which was insult to a member on the boards that Mario amongst others did not like. Maybe the boards can improve when people actually admit that there have been lines that have been crossed into blatantly trying to defend everything as a "joke".
Ian has been constantly insulted and harassed, there is no love loss between him and individuals like Mario, so yes it is an insult. Now if Mario was saying that about Bill, I'd MAYBE agree, but I doubt he would say that to a friend and that is my whole point. When you insult someone you have contempt for, that is a personal attack.
P.S. Though for the record I never call my friends idiots or jackasses.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 26, 2009, 12:32:39 AM
Sigh...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 26, 2009, 12:41:19 AM
So what are the mods gonna do about this situation with Ian,Bill,Mario?
Nothing. Ian will continue to drive members away from the forum like he has for the past... six years or so? I can't remember when he started his Ctrl+C Ctrl+V trolling act of posting the exact same garbage in every thread for the sole purpose of baiting other members and destroying any potential relevant conversation. Maybe he'll become a mod!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2009, 12:48:13 AM
I remember way back when, when I used my original handle, how great these forums were. People would mock each other, clown each other, and generally disrespect each other entirely; but when it came down to a discussion, we enlightened each other; inspired each other. I don't think that core has left, but faded. All we need is some more discussions and more personality so when one poster says something horrid, it'll be taken as a joke rather than an insult.
I get what you're saying actually. No one's called me a third-party plant or Cry-On in a VERY long time. I miss it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2009, 01:18:37 AM
I was called a MS plant. How things have changed, now I'm a anti-HD gaming plant!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 26, 2009, 01:22:09 AM
Cry-on, you are a third party plant. You were hired by NWR afterall!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Sessha on January 26, 2009, 01:24:26 AM
I don't know you well Maxi but it would be sad to see you go, your one of the few "newer" members that have stuck around for longer then a month or two.
A few pages back someone said it best that one of the problems with Ian is that he will have his 2 cents and then leave. It's fine if you want to start a discussion but at least have the decency to have a dialogue, part of saying your opinion is having the courtesy of listening to others. And there's a fine line, A. Is Ian (Or any other poster for that matter) bringing something releveant to the topic or is he/she off on another tangent entirely. and B, are you complaining or actually trying to start an intelligent conversation. Forums like these should be especially careful if they start to lose members like Bill and Mario, to be honest how many different people post on these forums on a regular basis 10+, it's something I liked about these forums, you felt like your ideas/opinions were read and digested because there was so few people here. But if any more "Key" forum goers leave the forums will collapse. This forum is like a small town, most everybody knows everybody
I guess it would be more like a smurf community since GP is the only female around here.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 26, 2009, 01:27:48 AM
I always thought that when somebody didn't return to a thread, that meant that they conceded defeat in internet argument land.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Sessha on January 26, 2009, 01:32:21 AM
No conceding defeat means pasting goatse into the thread
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 26, 2009, 01:32:48 AM
No you did not! LOL
GP, he's comparing you to that whore of a cartoon character! Are you going to let him SMURF you like that? I mean, where's your SMURFING pride. You should tell that SMURF of a SMURF who SMURFING runs SMURF.....SMURF!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 26, 2009, 01:33:38 AM
Well I said I would consider staying for a while to see how everything works out. I rarely complain about anything.I think this is my second time complaining about something on here. I think I'm just really upset so I might be saying something that I really don't mean. I'll give myself some time to chill out see if I feel diferently.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 26, 2009, 01:42:23 AM
I might as well confess...I am really a Nintendo shill. I haven't been doing my job because I enjoy this place too much in order to spam it with advertisements in disguise.
And Smash_Brother isn't really my friend. I am paying him to act like one so suspicions are kept at bay.
Ban me now...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2009, 01:44:02 AM
Maxi isn't leaving, I threatened to put pitfalls all over his town if he does.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 26, 2009, 01:47:26 AM
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: oohhboy on January 26, 2009, 02:18:56 AM
I find myself lurking more and more these days. The forums just feels so tired. So full of extremes. It feels like there isn't any discussion going on anymore. Now that we have won this generation we don't know what to do with it. Everyone now argues their little pet peeve till they are blue in the face. There is a mild negative vibe coming off a lot of the staff, especially regarding HD.
It's not much fun here anymore and everybody is trying to be right.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 26, 2009, 02:21:00 AM
Yeah Stogi, behave. No need to derail this thread.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 26, 2009, 02:36:12 AM
Lindy needs to be a strong leader with vision. That is our only hope.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Urkel on January 26, 2009, 04:11:42 AM
Well, this sucks.
I've thought about giving up on this place myself a few times in the past, but there's always been a group of quality posters over the years that stuck around. Losing two of them in one day is a huge blow. I'm kind of surprised that this is what caused Bill to break, since we've seen worse, but I can't really blame him.
Over the past several months it seems like we've been arguing over the exact same thing in every single thread. It's like Ian has ultimate control over the conversation. No matter what you're talking about, he'll turn it into his same old rant. It's not like he's adding anything that he hasn't said a hundred times before, either. I suppose you can just try to ignore what he says most of the time (believe me, I try), but the fact that that seems to be the solution being suggested in this thread just reinforces the position of many of us that he really doesn't add anything worth discussing here.
The staff doesn't seem to be as friendly as they used to be. Not everyone, of course, but this started to become a problem with Svevan, and others are following his lead.
I doubt I'll be leaving here any time soon, but I can't say I've seen any positive changes on these forums for quite some time.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on January 26, 2009, 09:33:19 AM
Infendo - decent blog but Jacks irrationality and incompetence ruin it on a daily basis
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I had to stop going to Infendo because of that guy.
Anyways, I'm a long-time lurker, part-time mafia player on these forums, so I don't have a ton of things to say about this thread, but I would say that I think the staff does a great job with this site. I've listened to every RFN recorded since long before Sklens & Karl took off, and I've always had a lot of respect for the guys who run this website.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KDR_11k on January 26, 2009, 09:44:05 AM
Whoo bamboo thread! Grows to tons of pages overnight.
First off, I'm entirely in favour of the Mario ban, he made his points with a very offensive and trollish style that was very disruptive.
However while Ian may not do personal insults he has repeatedly derailed threads. I completely disagree that not making personal insults makes one not a troll, I've had to deal with some pretty adept trolls that were careful to never give you anything you could point at and say "ban him for that" yet had a massively disruptive effect on the community. Flamebaiting doesn't necessarily involve flaming anyone, it can be very subtle. Lately almost all discussion has been derailed into casual vs HD shitslinging. I'll admit I tend to take bait like that too easily but it's also readily apparent that Ian willfully remains in his "victim" state (just look at his game list in the third party games thread and his refusal to get a different console even though he keeps arguing that the other consoles pander to his needs more) and wants everyone to partake in his misery. I think that to some degree he deliberately tries to direct threads towards that end. While a ban would be sudden and unjustified I do think he deserves a stern warning over his flamebaiting and derailing.
If it's necessary ban the casual vs HD topic from the forums for a while and remove any attempts to start a discussion about it (I think that might happen too often to really issue punishments over but a quick cleanup can often salvage a thread) or create a central "casual vs HD war" thread that ALL arguments about the matter must go into so unrelated threads remain free of it and arguments that have been brought already remain standing instead of being brought every time such a thread appears.
Now of course a part of this focus may be the lack of other things to talk about (not many major releases recently and not much new information on future major releases either) but it does feel like this forum is turning into a single topic discussed in endless variety.
Also while I disagree that bias is a good thing and a site should strive to be neutral that's hard to do in practice and people might act strongly against Nintendo just to avoid seeming biased towards them while others will partake in anti-Nintendo sentiment because after all they're writing for a pro-Nintendo site and the only bias they have to watch out for is the pro-Nintendo one. Sometimes affirmative action turns into a discrimination of its own.
Oh and because this is a Bill thread it needs more anime screencaps: (http://mitglied.lycos.de/KDR_11k/pics/ext/bscap037.jpg)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: decoyman on January 26, 2009, 12:16:24 PM
:(
Seven years, wow. I think I've been at least a lurker for the greater part of that. I always appreciated your posts, and their absence will undoubtedly leave a void here.
In seven years, though, people change — it's inevitable, especially for us "young folk." As peoples' interests change, so will this forum and its content. It's hard to accept this change happening sometimes, but there's not much you can do.
I'm not around as much as I used to be either, not that I was ever a super-power here. I've just kind of gotten out of gaming a bit, though I still have my spells of Nonstop Gaming Madness on certain lazy weekends. Is this Nintendo's fault for changing (or at least "adding to") their focus somewhat, or am I just getting older and have less time for games? Probably both, honestly. Regardless, though, Bill's departure isn't going to help matters. He had this broad knowledge/awareness of games that got me interested in games I may have never even heard of otherwise.
See ya, Bill. You'll be missed.
And if you decide to come back, you'll be welcomed with open arms and lots of vaguely-relevant anime screenshots! ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: D_Average on January 26, 2009, 12:26:05 PM
Infendo - decent blog but Jacks irrationality and incompetence ruin it on a daily basis
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I had to stop going to Infendo because of that guy.
Yeah, I'm not sure what his issue is, he must have been beaten up as a child by a Genesis Fanboy. Its no exaggeration to say he truly worships corporate Nintendo and all they do. But anyway, thats why I appreciate this site and forums. Its the only place I know of where I can find people like me we who wet their pants over Mario Galaxy while at them same time breaking bottles over their head during the last E3.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on January 26, 2009, 01:04:35 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure what his issue is, he must have been beaten up as a child by a Genesis Fanboy. Its no exaggeration to say he truly worships corporate Nintendo and all they do. But anyway, thats why I appreciate this site and forums. Its the only place I know of where I can find people like me we who wet their pants over Mario Galaxy while at them same time breaking bottles over their head during the last E3.
There was a period of time in 2007 where I was pretty active on Infendo, and by the end of that period, I'd found that the people who run that site (namely Jack, and occasional contributor Malstrom) had me actively rooting against Nintendo. I was so annoyed by how my opinions had been twisted around there that I had to quit going. I blocked the website on my computer so I wouldn't be tempted to go and troll the place, and haven't been back regularly since.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 26, 2009, 01:09:43 PM
Man, I'm scared of the rest of the internet sometimes. You guys are the only ones I trust...*scared*
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: bustin98 on January 26, 2009, 01:24:05 PM
Oh yeah, you're in trouble now ;) :D
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 26, 2009, 01:26:44 PM
Man, I'm scared of the rest of the internet sometimes. You guys are the only ones I trust...*scared*
I'll hold you Kai, and you can write your sig out for me anytime ;)
All kidding aside, I felt he same way. I try to go to other sites/forums.. I mean i REALLY try, but the level of intelligence is so low that my head starts to hurt after the 3rd post in any given topic. If this forum kicks the bucket, I'll have no where to go..
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 26, 2009, 01:38:08 PM
Good thing I've built the skin strong enough to withstand stupidity and battle it ;) .
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 26, 2009, 02:15:40 PM
Can you take me into battle with you, but swap me out for another team member so I don't have to go thru the pain, but still get the exp. pts??
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: decoyman on January 26, 2009, 02:27:54 PM
I can't believe someone complained that you typed your sig out in your posts, Kairon.
It was a bit weird, don't get me wrong, but I don't see why you'd be required to change it. :P
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: D_Average on January 26, 2009, 02:30:28 PM
haha, thats hilarious! I still go back here n there hoping Scott will return, as they had some great podcasts back in the day. But yes, NWR and paulyshore.com are the only sites that can be trusted these days.
Did Scott leave? I listened to Infendo Radio for maybe around 6-8 months, and they had added Kyle by the time I left. That show was okay, but as my opinion regarding gaming is a lot more in sync with the guys at RFN than the guys at IR, I lost interest.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2009, 02:48:01 PM
I'm sorry but I find it extremely hilarious that with all this personal angst against Ian, with SOME evidence he may be one of the roots of NWR's problem we get an official editorial that is right up his alley and brings out (a predictable) response.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 26, 2009, 02:53:04 PM
I think it's important to note that Rick was totally oblivious to this thread as far as I know, so it can all be considered a big coincidence.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 26, 2009, 02:54:45 PM
I think it's important to note that Rick was totally oblivious to this thread as far as I know, so it can all be considered a big coincidence.
I'm not saying it was intentional, but it is kind of funny. ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Ian Sane on January 26, 2009, 03:17:21 PM
I don't think NWR has changed so much. It's still about Nintendo fans discussing Nintendo related issues.
Nintendo's changed. And if you disagree with that you can at least acknowledge that things are different. Nintendo is now run by Iwata instead of Yamauchi. Nintendo has found success with a new audience. Nintendo is now number one again. Things have changed.
Like with any fandom there is going to be split opinion over the change. Some of the fanbase is going to like the change and some of it isn't. That's not something specific to NWR. You go to any game related site that covers Nintendo in some way and there is not going to be unanimous opinion regarding Nintendo. I don't see it as any change to NWR but just the natural reaction to the split in the fanbase.
Until VERY recently I could have made the same kind of post as Bill only with the opposite complaint: that things have become too pro-Nintendo on this site to have any meaningful discussion. It's all a matter of perspective and really just to do with the different reaction of Nintendo fans to Nintendo's changes.
The thing is Bill is on the "winning side". The positives will naturally come out ahead. The negatives will either become positives based on some gesture from Nintendo winning them back over or eventually they'll lose interest and leave. If what you're a fan of changes in a way that you don't like eventually, if things don't improve, you'll realize that there is no reason for you to be a fan anymore. Bill's going to be a Nintendo fan for years, maybe for the rest of his life. I'm at the point where wanting my Wii to feel like a worthwhile purchase is the only thing keeping me a Nintendo fan. The way things are going by next gen they'll have lost me for good. The positives will inherit Nintendo fandom. So Bill might as well stick around because Nintendo is going in the direction he likes. By next gen any Nintendo themed site will have a mostly pro-Nintendo community.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 26, 2009, 03:27:50 PM
Cry-on, you are a third party plant. You were hired by NWR afterall!
If Kairon is a plant, he's a weeping fig. ;)
As for the discussion, I don't think it's possible to ever actually "leave" a forum. After all, it's still there and it'll always just be a click away.
Furthermore, it's the easygoing nature of this forum which makes it enjoyable. It takes a long time for a community to mature to the point like this but that doesn't mean stuff can't still go wrong and need to be dealt with.
And yeah, Nintendo has changed a great deal, but this is a transition period. This is what happens when a transition occurs.
Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPcQBveWOA&feature=channel
It describes the issues faced by a Nintendo-only fanbase dealing with "non-gamers" suddenly showing up in the market.
He addresses the comic book industry's "darkening" period which wound up eventually destroying it, something which the gaming industry is, in many ways, in the middle of doing.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: D_Average on January 26, 2009, 04:04:49 PM
haha, thats hilarious! I still go back here n there hoping Scott will return, as they had some great podcasts back in the day. But yes, NWR and paulyshore.com are the only sites that can be trusted these days.
Did Scott leave? I listened to Infendo Radio for maybe around 6-8 months, and they had added Kyle by the time I left. That show was okay, but as my opinion regarding gaming is a lot more in sync with the guys at RFN than the guys at IR, I lost interest.
Yeah, not enough time, needed to focus on his comic: http://www.myextralife.com/
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 26, 2009, 05:37:16 PM
Cry-on, you are a third party plant. You were hired by NWR afterall!
If Kairon is a plant, he's a weeping fig. ;)
As for the discussion, I don't think it's possible to ever actually "leave" a forum. After all, it's still there and it'll always just be a click away.
Furthermore, it's the easygoing nature of this forum which makes it enjoyable. It takes a long time for a community to mature to the point like this but that doesn't mean stuff can't still go wrong and need to be dealt with.
And yeah, Nintendo has changed a great deal, but this is a transition period. This is what happens when a transition occurs.
Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPcQBveWOA&feature=channel
It describes the issues faced by a Nintendo-only fanbase dealing with "non-gamers" suddenly showing up in the market.
He addresses the comic book industry's "darkening" period which wound up eventually destroying it, something which the gaming industry is, in many ways, in the middle of doing.
Funny enough this video by the same guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73toAMJ7rqY&feature=channel_page) explains why some of the more positive Nintendo fans (one Bill was proud of are so happy and are so emotional towards Nintendo, and might give an idea of what it is to be a proud Nintendo fan and why Bill got fed up with the negativity from both the users and the staff.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: blackfootsteps on January 27, 2009, 01:19:23 AM
Wow, a long weekend is a long time in forum life, it seems.
I really enjoyed the majority of Bill's posts, especially the intelligent enthusiasm he displayed for Nintendo. It was only after reading PGC forums (and so many posts of his) back in 2002 that I bought a GC, bringing an end to my stay in the gaming wilderness that had begun after I completed Majora's Mask.
As for Mario, the best experience I have ever had in an online game came with a multi hour session of 2 player online brawl. I thank him for that. I think the ban is extremely harsh, the guy was the king of irreverent sarcasm and I never took his comments too seriously. Also Aussie bias prevents me from speaking ill of him.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 27, 2009, 01:49:02 PM
Well, after reading Rick Power's rant I have decided to try and ignore any negative Nintendo threads because I feel it just makes things worse in the long run. Yes, ignoring them would be like ignoring a pulsating, bleeding tumor that's right next to your heart, but I think that if we try hard maybe these discussions will stop for a bit.
The reality of the situation is that the people that post these rants aren't dumb. They KNOW that they will create a lot of anger and create epic discussions because its easily the most debated subject in the entire videogame industry. Going back to the comparisons, its like being a PETA member at a massive meat cookout; you WILL get noticed and you WILL get reactions.
In the event that you decide to participate please do so in a civil manner. Report to a mod if you see any strange behavior.
To be perfectly honest, I think we should forget about getting support from the staff members as they don't care about us on a personal level. Harsh? Yeah, but in the years that I've been a member of the forums I've had little to no personal attachment to the main staff members, and I've been doing fine by myself. They do a good job, but I think those trying to get support from them should forget it and focus on having fun with the members, and leave if they are displeased.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on January 27, 2009, 01:53:26 PM
For what it's worth, I'm posting in the forums BECAUSE of my fondness for the personalities which make up the staff.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 27, 2009, 01:56:13 PM
For what it's worth, I'm posting in the forums BECAUSE of my fondness for the personalities which make up the staff.
I consider a few members of the staff as friends so I can't say I don't care about them.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 27, 2009, 01:58:59 PM
I'm just saying that if you try be friends with the staff or hope they get more attached to the community you will be disappointed and instead focus on befriending the other forum members. Like I said, I've had a lot of fun with the forum members here, but I can't say I've had any deep personal relationship with the staff members save for Evan, Kairon and Mr. Jack (and they were far more connected to the community before they became staff members).
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 27, 2009, 02:25:15 PM
Continue? 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Insert (4) Credits
~~~~~
Should I just walk away and ditch the site cuz I'm tired of playing this Sony World Repor' arcade machine?
Should I TROLL MORE to make up for Bill and Mario's absence?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 27, 2009, 02:35:54 PM
I'm just saying that if you try be friends with the staff or hope they get more attached to the community you will be disappointed and instead focus on befriending the other forum members. Like I said, I've had a lot of fun with the forum members here, but I can't say I've had any deep personal relationship with the staff members save for Evan, Kairon and Mr. Jack (and they were far more connected to the community before they became staff members).
I know I know I suck but, it's life you know? I'm gonna move and start a new job too, so it isn't just staff, it's complicated! T_T
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 27, 2009, 02:38:19 PM
Should I just walk away and ditch the site cuz I'm tired of playing this Sony World Repor' arcade machine?
Should I TROLL MORE to make up for Bill and Mario's absence?
You already troll Zelda: TP though! Can you multitask? :P
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 27, 2009, 02:58:23 PM
Keyword: already
My current level of activity is already in place. The question is whether or not to go above and beyond the call.
Lost Mario, kept Ian.
Lost Bill, kept Ian.
Justin comes back (and doesn't even talk about games), got Rick Roll'd.
WTF.
Is it even worth it trying to bring balance back to the Fist?
This place is Hyrule, and it's filling with blue ocean water. Senior non-casual staff are spewing nonsense to no end. Time to jump ship, bail out, and take my princess to another castle.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 27, 2009, 03:02:21 PM
No don't leave!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 27, 2009, 03:06:35 PM
I'm just saying that if you try be friends with the staff or hope they get more attached to the community you will be disappointed and instead focus on befriending the other forum members. Like I said, I've had a lot of fun with the forum members here, but I can't say I've had any deep personal relationship with the staff members save for Evan, Kairon and Mr. Jack (and they were far more connected to the community before they became staff members).
Yeah I definitely was more active in the forums prior to becoming part of the staff. Partly because I am way busier and have nearly no free time, and partly because I got sick of the constant arguments over the same stupid point (as exhibited by Justin Nation and Rick Powers in recent blog posts). It definitely isn't the same here as it was pre-Wii release, and it kind of sucks. I want it to get better, but the Wii is such a polarizing system, I'm not sure it will.
In any event, I'm always lurking the boards, and I try and pop in from time to time. Life is just busy right now, but maybe soon I'll have more in-forum time.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 27, 2009, 03:08:05 PM
I'm just saying that if you try be friends with the staff or hope they get more attached to the community you will be disappointed and instead focus on befriending the other forum members. Like I said, I've had a lot of fun with the forum members here, but I can't say I've had any deep personal relationship with the staff members save for Evan, Kairon and Mr. Jack (and they were far more connected to the community before they became staff members).
Yeah I definitely was more active in the forums prior to becoming part of the staff. Partly because I am way busier and have nearly no free time, and partly because I got sick of the constant arguments over the same stupid point (as exhibited by Justin Nation and Rick Powers in recent blog posts). It definitely isn't the same here as it was pre-Wii release, and it kind of sucks. I want it to get better, but the Wii is such a polarizing system, I'm not sure it will.
In any event, I'm always lurking the boards, and I try and pop in from time to time. Life is just busy right now, but maybe soon I'll have more in-forum time.
As I said before, if we seen more Mr. Pants people would change.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 27, 2009, 05:05:48 PM
I'm just saying that if you try be friends with the staff or hope they get more attached to the community you will be disappointed and instead focus on befriending the other forum members. Like I said, I've had a lot of fun with the forum members here, but I can't say I've had any deep personal relationship with the staff members save for Evan, Kairon and Mr. Jack (and they were far more connected to the community before they became staff members).
Yeah I definitely was more active in the forums prior to becoming part of the staff. Partly because I am way busier and have nearly no free time, and partly because I got sick of the constant arguments over the same stupid point (as exhibited by Justin Nation and Rick Powers in recent blog posts). It definitely isn't the same here as it was pre-Wii release, and it kind of sucks. I want it to get better, but the Wii is such a polarizing system, I'm not sure it will.
In any event, I'm always lurking the boards, and I try and pop in from time to time. Life is just busy right now, but maybe soon I'll have more in-forum time.
As I said before, if we seen more Mr. Pants people would change.
Are you asking Mr.Jack to remove the (mr.) underpants!?!?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 27, 2009, 11:06:49 PM
The boards never really got over the great crash/slowdown a few months after it started. How many people who came over from the old EZboards stayed through the epic slowness and are still around? Even after the kinks were worked out, the whole feel of the place never returned, it was then and still today a muted barren feel to the place.
Those that stuck through it had slowly been either driven away like Bill, bored away like Infy, or banned like Mario, and all because of disinterest in dealing with someone the Mods would rather compliment the supposed courtesy instead of see the larger picture of what is said overall because they only look at the random post he makes, don't see the snide talk and low blow down talking, the very active derailing he does and when any action is made to get the thread back on topic it turns into a flame war and he comes out smelling sweet because he isn't "direct" in his attacks.
There have been a lot of people who joined and stayed for a while, but really when you think about it, other than a handful or so, how many do you remember being here for any length of time really adding to the place other than to be a nuisance?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 27, 2009, 11:28:49 PM
The boards never really got over the great crash/slowdown a few months after it started. How many people who came over from the old EZboards stayed through the epic slowness and are still around? Even after the kinks were worked out, the whole feel of the place never returned, it was then and still today a muted barren feel to the place.
Those that stuck through it had slowly been either driven away like Bill, bored away like Infy, or banned like Mario, and all because of disinterest in dealing with someone the Mods would rather compliment the supposed courtesy instead of see the larger picture of what is said overall because they only look at the random post he makes, don't see the snide talk and low blow down talking, the very active derailing he does and when any action is made to get the thread back on topic it turns into a flame war and he comes out smelling sweet because he isn't "direct" in his attacks.
There have been a lot of people who joined and stayed for a while, but really when you think about it, other than a handful or so, how many do you remember being here for any length of time really adding to the place other than to be a nuisance?
If people leave it will get worse.It will be more barren.This is a community. We need to stick together during the tough times.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2009, 12:32:49 AM
Sure I can think of several that have been here for quite awhile that are more then a nuisance:
-Pale -Kairon -Mr. Jack -Pap -Smash_Brother -Pro (Ok he is half a nuisance :P ) -EasyCure
I know I'm missing some others as well.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 28, 2009, 02:10:48 AM
-GoldenPhoenix
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 28, 2009, 02:49:41 AM
- S-U-P-E-R - Flames_of_chaos (or in his evil old alias Lord_die_seis)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2009, 03:53:43 AM
Also we can't discount newer people like Maxi, who I think have added quite a bit to the community, especially from an attitude perspective. TheFleece is another good new member we have received. Even though he hates Mario Sunshine, I think Broodwars is a good addition to the site. Even though he is a bit critical of Nintendo Halbred has been solid as well.
I still can't believe I've only been an active member since the day the Wii name was announced (I was a member for quite some time before but never posted). Seems longer then that! Though I did post intermittently since 2004.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: TheFleece on January 28, 2009, 07:53:39 AM
DAaaMan64 and DJUnknown are cool members as well.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 28, 2009, 09:55:35 AM
out of 10,985 registered members here, that's not good.
How many people register and never post? How many people register post once or twice and then disappear?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 28, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
Yeah, I was an active PGC member. Not so much an active NWR member. The entire community has changed...and that's to be expected, I suppose; not everyone is going to be a member forever, but when all my friends have left it's difficult to enjoy visitng the forums. I agree with Bill, it's just not FUN anymore.
I'll still come here for news and whatever, but with Mario and Bill gone, and the Aussie crew completely dead, there's no point in being an active forum member. I kind of made this transition a while ago when I stopped being active at gamingforce and NWR...no one active here probably knows who the hell I am :P
Also I need to get on MSN more. THAT'S still fun I'm just busy all the damn time.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Caliban on January 28, 2009, 12:43:42 PM
How many people register and never post? How many people register post once or twice and then disappear?
I have a friend who joined and he mentioned that he was having a tough time and I told him that I had joined and it took me months of just adding in my own two cents around. I'm much more comfortable with posting than I was before. At first glance NWR forums can come off as cold and intimidating, but the ideas and knowledge that I read from the posts made me come back. I've never had a "you really like me?!" moment here and this is certainly not the spot to look for it. NWR always struck me as the most honest forums. I never got the impression to have to push my way through, but rather to gather my own facts and ideas about things that I don't see posted- like the Korg DS thread.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on January 28, 2009, 01:43:30 PM
How many people register and never post? How many people register post once or twice and then disappear?
Personally, I would rather have a small, tight-knit community than a bunch of random people who only show their face once in a blue moon.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2009, 01:51:57 PM
NWR has always had a problem with lots of people registering but no one posting (except in the weird twilight zone community known as Friend Codes)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 28, 2009, 01:55:48 PM
Every forum has that problem. I would like to increase our regular poster count. In fact, that's my goal, but striving to be even close to that registered number is just impossible.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 28, 2009, 02:56:16 PM
Is there another forum that's more fun than this one? I ask that seriously. When you say MSN, what do you mean? MSN gaming forums?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 28, 2009, 02:56:57 PM
There isn't anything to talk about right now. Look, back in the "good ole days" we had the awesome console war battles of the Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube...which actually had interesting discussion.
We had the reveal of the Wii and what it would mean to gaming.
We had larger Mafia support, and more games that grabbed our attention to dream about and discuss.
Right now we are in the middle of a console generation's lifecycle. There isn't as much to talk about....in fact the only consistent thing to talk about is the forum drama and debates and arguments. It is sad but it is all apart of the community and you just live through it.
2010 will be a great year for the cycle to start a new. For now, I say we need to be a civil to each other as possible, and begin to find a new apprecation for everything the staff at NWR does for us.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on January 28, 2009, 03:30:27 PM
If you're looking for somewhere to post where everyone will agree with you and talk all day about how awesome Nintendo is, this is not that place. It never has been. Our old banner for the forums said "...where Nintendo fans go to bitch about everything." That was over five years ago! This concept of PGC/NWR forums' bygone glory as a magical commune for Nintendo zealots is completely bogus. Some people made it up, then went on a witch-hunt to prove that it had been stolen away by "the others", then got pissy because the people in charge wouldn't do anything about it, then left because they had worked themselves up into such a rabid fit of imaginary anger.
Yes, things have changed. They always change. This is a community, not a family home video you can watch everytime you need to feel good about yourself. People come, people go, people's opinions change. The world is complex and transient.
There have been periods where we did not moderate the forums properly and/or adequately. However, I feel strongly that in recent months, we have made a very conscious effort to monitor the forums more closely. We have banned people who broke the rules. WE HAVE BANNED PEOPLE WHO BROKE THE RULES. Just because you disagree with another user does not give you the right to break the rules. Just because you have 10,000 post count and love Nintendo does not mean you can break the rules. There is no personal bias in the actions we have taken against anyone. In the case of Mario, he was issuing personal attacks on a nearly daily basis, had been warned numerous times, and showed no sign of remorse nor trend towards improving his behavior. I don't care whether anyone thinks he was provoked. He broke the rules, over and over, egregiously, and we gave him every opportunity to stop. As much as some of you despise IanSane, HE DOES NOT BREAK THE RULES. And that is the only qualification for posting privileges here. You can say whatever you want, however wrong, unpopular, repetitive, etc. as long as you follow the rules.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 28, 2009, 03:39:41 PM
And that is the only qualification for posting privileges here. You can say whatever you want, however wrong, unpopular, repetitive, etc. as long as you follow the rules.
Thank you for opening thy gates.
THE TRAVELLER HAS COME
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on January 28, 2009, 04:02:12 PM
Is there another forum that's more fun than this one? I ask that seriously. When you say MSN, what do you mean? MSN gaming forums?
MSN Messenger.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2009, 05:16:56 PM
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As much as some of you despise IanSane, HE DOES NOT BREAK THE RULES
That is true most of the time, but like in that Rick Powers thread Lindy warned him to not make a particular statement and what does he do? Right before it is closed he makes that same statement again. Overall though I'd agree.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 28, 2009, 05:51:44 PM
And that is the only qualification for posting privileges here. You can say whatever you want, however wrong, unpopular, repetitive, etc. as long as you follow the rules.
And that is the only qualification for posting privileges here. You can say whatever you want, however wrong, unpopular, repetitive, etc. as long as you follow the rules.
Oh man.. I think we need to have a crash course on PGC History.
At this point, I think there's only a handful of us semi-active posters left who witnessed the switch from EZBoards. My forum "golden age" was 2003-2005, and most of the community from then has left.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2009, 02:56:53 AM
Oh man.. I think we need to have a crash course on PGC History.
At this point, I think there's only a handful of us semi-active posters left who witnessed the switch from EZBoards. My forum "golden age" was 2003-2005, and most of the community from then has left.
Not me I've been here since 2004!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 29, 2009, 03:04:41 AM
Wait, Mario got perma-banned?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2009, 03:06:15 AM
Yes after multiple warnings. It wasn't like it was without any chances. I still think he was trying to get himself banned for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 29, 2009, 03:27:22 AM
Aw, sad. Who else from the old crew is still here? I see Rick returned with one of his infamous editorials. They're so distinctively Rick you can identify them without the byline.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2009, 03:30:34 AM
Aw, sad. Who else from the old crew is still here? I see Rick returned with one of his infamous editorials. They're so distinctively Rick you can identify them without the byline.
Out of the staff we have Linderman, and Jonny. Kairon is also apart of the staff now. I know I'm missing some others!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ThePerm on January 29, 2009, 05:38:48 AM
thank theperm for mentioning Bills departure to mouseclicker, i would mention this to Grey, but i don't think he would make a guest appearence..not sure
if you want to know who the golden age people are..read the first couple pages of avatar discussion
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 29, 2009, 07:38:36 AM
Thanks the perm!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 29, 2009, 09:48:20 AM
Yes after multiple warnings. It wasn't like it was without any chances. I still think he was trying to get himself banned for whatever reason.
He knew he wasn't strong enough to leave on his own, and needed to be shunned from the community in order to leave and never come back to this nintendo hate....?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Caliban on January 29, 2009, 09:52:06 AM
Aw, sad. Who else from the old crew is still here? I see Rick returned with one of his infamous editorials. They're so distinctively Rick you can identify them without the byline.
Out of the staff we have Linderman, and Jonny. Kairon is also apart of the staff now. I know I'm missing some others!
TYP.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 29, 2009, 01:42:17 PM
I didn't come specifically because you mentioned his departure, Perm. I was thinking about it, and then coincidentally manunited linked me to Rick's new editorial. Then just out of curiosity I wanted to see if my account was still here, and if I could even remember my password after four years. Well, it worked! Then I found this thread. It's been fun.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Urkel on January 29, 2009, 02:18:14 PM
WISE FWOM YOUR GWAVE!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on January 29, 2009, 02:49:24 PM
This isn't the first time mouse_clicker has returned. Color me skeptical.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on January 29, 2009, 02:58:11 PM
His IP is unique to all of and only his posts made in the last 24 hours.
Plus I think the fake return before was done by Ty using mod powers which he doesn't have anymore, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Uncle Bob on January 29, 2009, 03:16:25 PM
I'm willing to bet that Ty still has mod powers... ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 29, 2009, 03:30:59 PM
I think it is pretty amazing to think how long this community has had several members. I have been here over 5 years I know. This is a pretty strong community in that regards.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2009, 03:54:01 PM
I think it is pretty amazing to think how long this community has had several members. I have been here over 5 years I know. This is a pretty strong community in that regards.
You've been here about as long as I have. Amazing.
I'd list other posters but I'm not sure how long some have been here, like Mr. Jack
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 29, 2009, 04:06:06 PM
I think it is pretty amazing to think how long this community has had several members. I have been here over 5 years I know. This is a pretty strong community in that regards.
You've been here about as long as I have. Amazing.
I'd list other posters but I'm not sure how long some have been here, like Mr. Jack
It's a hard thing to gauge really. I joined the forums in March of '06 because i finally had a strong enough opinion to post, but i'd lurked the forums since at least the PGC days.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 29, 2009, 04:06:57 PM
GP: It says I have been a member since 2004, but isn't that just when we changed to the new message board forum? I remember being here much longer and being around for most of the Gamecube generation.
I remember my first few years I got very few responses, but I do remember my first post was well received because it was a very well thought out post and some where like where the hell did this guy come from.
Looking back, my post was well thought out...but I think it ended up being wrong.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ThePerm on January 29, 2009, 04:12:01 PM
talked to mouse and its not a poser
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 29, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
I'm still planning on editing my 1st post someday... its the most monstrous (and serious) wall of text here...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 29, 2009, 04:19:37 PM
Yeah, I didn't even realize someone posed as me a few years back. I was a bit confused by it myself looking through my old posts. There's one I remember from April of 2004 and then one I don't remember at all from August of 2005, and the writing style isn't mine at all. I don't know why I'd leave, then come back a year later, then go dormant another 4 and a half years. But ah well.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2009, 04:26:52 PM
My first post was in defense of the Nintendo DS lineup:
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Am I the only one excited for Nintendo DS? The games are looking quite stunning, especially those that appear to use the unique features fo the Nintendo (such as the Kirby game). I'm not sure what people were saying when they stated Nintendo nor other developers were taking creative advantage of the DS, because I definitely see it in those videos!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on January 29, 2009, 04:30:48 PM
thank theperm for mentioning Bills departure to mouseclicker, i would mention this to Grey, but i don't think he would make a guest appearence..not sure
if you want to know who the golden age people are..read the first couple pages of avatar discussion
Wow, it's crazy looking back at that. I didn't realize it was over 5 years ago since I started visiting this site. Just, wow. I feel like I've lived a bit of my life in these forums. It feels extremely weird. I think I may have to leave soon as well.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2009, 05:05:27 PM
My first post was in response to a Jonny editorial in 2004. I won't post the whole thing, it's got several paragraphs, but here's a snippet:
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This has got to be the most balanced editorial I've read about Nintendo's situation in some time. Why? Because of the very important acknowledgement of a particular value system in the way we may look at Nintendo. At one point the author states that, "If Nintendo wants to regain ..."
That "If" is very important, because it acknowledges that all of these ideas that Nintendo fans have of worldwide domination, all these concepts of marketting, mindshare, and money... these are based on the assumption that Nintendo, at their core, is a company solely focused on winning the marketshare war.
What was my second post? Why, it was to argue with IanSane of course! Ahhh, good times, good times.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2009, 05:22:17 PM
God I love my early posts. I'm such a great poster. lol
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KDR_11k on January 29, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
Hm, makes me wonder... What did he propose as what Nintendo has to do back then?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
Hm, makes me wonder... What did he propose as what Nintendo has to do back then?
Well I did find a quote where he was complaining about GC and how bland the games look.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2009, 05:32:32 PM
I have to say though, that while I agree with most of what I said back in 2004, there are several opinions on which I've shifted, and there are several very unfortunate word choices regarding the casual market and third parties, lol.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2009, 05:40:08 PM
I have to say though, that while I agree with most of what I said back in 2004, there are several opinions on which I've shifted, and there are several very unfortunate word choices regarding the casual market and third parties, lol.
Also I was always the superior poster. ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on January 29, 2009, 05:40:52 PM
Yeah, I didn't even realize someone posed as me a few years back. I was a bit confused by it myself looking through my old posts. There's one I remember from April of 2004 and then one I don't remember at all from August of 2005, and the writing style isn't mine at all. I don't know why I'd leave, then come back a year later, then go dormant another 4 and a half years. But ah well.
Can you get me a spot on Are you smarter than a 5th grader?? I want to wipe the smirks off the faces of those prepubescent twirps. ;D
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Ian Sane on January 29, 2009, 05:59:11 PM
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Hm, makes me wonder... What did he propose as what Nintendo has to do back then?
Short answer? For them to stop shooting themselves in the foot. I always felt Nintendo's poor market position was more do to them making blatantly obvious spot-from-a-mile-away goof-ups then the competition doing anything particularly special to beat them. Nintendo was very good at giving people easy excuses to avoid their console. They seemingly tried to meet negative biased expectations.
Obviously there were issues with marketing and attracting third party support and providing a more balanced library that didn't seem too family focused. But the starting point was to match the competition in features and not gift-wrap them advantages. Start at a level playing field and then use your superior game development skills to start gaining market share back. Third party support will naturally follow the increased market share.
If you show up to the race with your shoelaces tied together of course you're going to lose. Before any training to make you a better runner starts you have to put yourself in a situation where you can actually run at your full speed.
Nintendo's actually strategy was to change the rules of the race in such a way to give them an advantage. Gotta give them credit for thinking outside the box on that one I guess.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 29, 2009, 06:25:59 PM
Yeah, I didn't even realize someone posed as me a few years back. I was a bit confused by it myself looking through my old posts. There's one I remember from April of 2004 and then one I don't remember at all from August of 2005, and the writing style isn't mine at all. I don't know why I'd leave, then come back a year later, then go dormant another 4 and a half years. But ah well.
Can you get me a spot on Are you smarter than a 5th grader?? I want to wipe the smirks off the faces of those prepubescent twirps. ;D
Yeah, not quite, might be conflict of interest there. Those kids are seriously really smart, though, especially that Nathan one from a couple season back. Seriously, every answer he wouldn't just get it right, he'd have a paragraph explaining it, too.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 29, 2009, 06:40:36 PM
Hmm, all this talk of looking at first post got me thinking. Lets see here, my first post.
My guess will be if the price is revealed during E3 then it will probobly be $200 but if they say they'll reveal it at a later date then it'll be over $200.
I remember hearing a rumor that Nintendo might not say the price at E3 which if true, points to the Wii being over the $200 range since they know annoucing the system for that much might anger some people and they want all the attention at E3 to be on just the games.
Well look at that, I was 100% right. Since the Wii was launch for over $200, Nintendo didn't announce the price at E3. Instead they announced the $250 at a later date that ended up being their September event.
Of course I'm surprised I've only been a member for only 2.5 years, it feel much longer then that. Then again, I started lurking the forums back in 2002, so that might explain it. I'm just an extremly lazy person in real life and so it took me about 4 years before I got motivated enough to finally join in on the fun.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on January 29, 2009, 06:51:41 PM
THANKS FOR THE HISTORY LESSON, EVERYONE
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: bustin98 on January 29, 2009, 09:56:50 PM
My first post is from 6 years ago and pretty lame. The next was a year later. I think it took a while for me to feel comfortable with posting my two cents in with people I didn't know.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 30, 2009, 12:02:51 AM
Mouse_Clicker are you going to stick around?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 30, 2009, 12:05:07 AM
mouse_clicker?!
If Grey Ninja, Hostile_Creation, PIAC, and Termin8 all post in this thread I might cry.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 30, 2009, 12:51:49 AM
I don't post much in forums anymore, haven't since I left PGC. You're most likely to see my name crop up over at RottenTomatoes, though, if at all. I guess I might pop in and out for a while, though. I didn't realize so many people from my day were even still here.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Arbok on January 30, 2009, 12:53:18 AM
Infernal, Icecold, KnowsNothing... this thread is like a PGC greatest hits compilation. *sniff* makes me long for the days of old.
I haven't been very active of late, but I love the throw downs that occurred in the Brawl forum leading up to its release with S-B, Golden, LuigiDude, and others all throwing in their two cents. That was fairly recent, or feels so for me. Good times, as were many in the PGC days.
Anyway, I'm sorry to see you go Bill. You were always one of my favorite posters.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KDR_11k on January 30, 2009, 06:40:36 AM
Heh, my first post was
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I hope Nintendo won't try to appeal to the masses. Appealing to the masses means unneeded functionality, cool graphics and mature content. And of course countless rehashes of the same game over and over again. Gameplay isn't enough to attract a person who has never read a review. The masses are dumb, don't expect rational behaviour. How do you think EA hold their position? Innovative gameplay?
And hey, they managed to appeal to the masses without doing any of that. They even figured out how to attract people with gameplay.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: PIAC on January 30, 2009, 07:19:30 AM
What's going on in this thread.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: RABicle on January 30, 2009, 07:49:02 AM
PIAC RETURNS PGC LIVES!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Termin8Anakin on January 30, 2009, 08:16:57 AM
I still read NWR on a daily basis for my fix of news and such; it's one of my bookmarks!
One thing I learned since starting my first steps internet forum posting was to not take things so seriously. PGC, back on ezboard, was my first forum, and I daresay we were the life of things here.
Over the years, things got a little more awkward than they should have around here (trolls, a hell of a lot less people, etc). Also, my own attitudes toward things changed, as they do in life, and I stopped posting regularly probably well over a year or two ago.
It was interesting listening to the drama happening on the forums here from Bill, Mario et al on MSN, and when it comes to these things, I trusted their opinion that something really did happen to these forums to make them so cynical and hostile. And several times have they made mention of Ian, amongst other posters.
It may be a change in the attitudes of posters, it may be the staff, it may be because of Nintendo's success in the casual rather than hardcore market, whatever. The staff have a problem on their hands, and several senior members of the community are voicing their opinions about it.
It's time to get your hands dirty and get even more involved in order to fix this!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: RABicle on January 30, 2009, 09:06:08 AM
If this was a guess the next poster thread, Id be guessing either Grey Ninja or mouseclicker.Mario tells me mouse_clicker has already posted in the thread. This is what I get for not caring anymore I guess.
I'm willing to bet that Ty still has mod powers... ;)
THE KING WILL RETURN!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 30, 2009, 01:20:04 PM
My first posts were hazy, and mainly involved antagonizing Rick. PGC wasn't my first forum, though, oh no. I cut my teeth over at IGN and migrated over when they told me to pay. Worthless bastards.
And damn, we really do have an outright reunion going here. Maybe I should tell manunited and Berny to join in.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: manunited4eva22 on January 30, 2009, 01:31:55 PM
So mouse told me that we're having some kind of reunion. Well I say BAH! Rick Powers would have none of this sort of nonsense, bannable offense for all! Why are you rabble not posting serious information and quivering?! In my day we either got a thread dedicated for our arguing with everyone (Mouse) or we just argued with everyone regardless of the topic and continued to ramble angrily way past any point of decent punctuation and we liked it even when we didn't so ha!
I think the first post I made here either concerned Virtua Soccer for the Gamecube or trying to figure out if this was in fact the forum I had previously been going to, which may or may not have been planet n2000. Never quite figured out if I was in the right place or not.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 30, 2009, 02:36:25 PM
Hm, I was reading over Pale's quotes of some posts that led to Mario being banned, and boy did I get off light in my day! I wasn't quite so obvious, but I was a much bigger dick to everyone on this forum.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2009, 02:37:51 PM
Hm, I was reading over Pale's quotes of some posts that led to Mario being banned, and boy did I get off light in my day! I wasn't quite so obvious, but I was a much bigger dick to everyone on this forum.
Yeah but were your warned multiple times? That is key there, it was more showing disrespect to the moderators then what he said.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 30, 2009, 02:52:26 PM
I was a huge dick to the moderators, too... I guess they just never threatened to ban me.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: nickmitch on January 30, 2009, 03:06:21 PM
This thread is crazy. I still remember when all these guys posted, and I was still new. Those were the days.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: PIAC on January 30, 2009, 03:12:38 PM
Hm, I was reading over Pale's quotes of some posts that led to Mario being banned, and boy did I get off light in my day! I wasn't quite so obvious, but I was a much bigger dick to everyone on this forum.
Yeah but were your warned multiple times? That is key there, it was more showing disrespect to the moderators then what he said.
Laughing at this.
Protip: The only real mods were Dr.Z and Dr.Z
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 30, 2009, 03:16:31 PM
Dr.Z of all people was the one who recruited me into the Pietriots :zoid:
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: nickmitch on January 30, 2009, 03:18:35 PM
I miss Dr. Z.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Termin8Anakin on January 30, 2009, 06:05:04 PM
Hohoho ****! I just realised who NintyGurl is HAHAHAHAHA!
HEY! =D
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 30, 2009, 06:09:51 PM
Hohoho ****! I just realised who NintyGurl is HAHAHAHAHA!
HEY! =D
AHAHAHA SUP DAWG
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Khushrenada on January 30, 2009, 06:28:04 PM
So, as soon as Bill leaves, we have a bunch of the classic posters start posting again. Mouse_clicker, PIAC, Termin8Anakin, myself. It looks like Bill was the one holding these forums back. Frankly, I think this is great. It's a golden age for the forums. One that will never end.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Plugabugz on January 30, 2009, 06:51:56 PM
I remember everyone here.... wow.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Termin8Anakin on January 30, 2009, 08:28:21 PM
So, as soon as Bill leaves, we have a bunch of the classic posters start posting again. Mouse_clicker, PIAC, Termin8Anakin, myself. It looks like Bill was the one holding these forums back.
Nah, we came back in support of him.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: PIAC on January 30, 2009, 09:44:55 PM
I'm not back, I havn't even posted in this thread.
Also I'm still perm-banned.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Arbok on January 30, 2009, 10:13:35 PM
So, as soon as Bill leaves, we have a bunch of the classic posters start posting again. Mouse_clicker, PIAC, Termin8Anakin, myself. It looks like Bill was the one holding these forums back. Frankly, I think this is great. It's a golden age for the forums. One that will never end.
It just shows how significant Bill was.
KDR, Pro, Bill... some users have just been active so long and so often that they define the forums. Bill was one of those, and it's sad to see him go.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mouse_clicker on January 30, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
Bill's a good man. I guess I've had his quote in my signature for the better part of a decade now.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2009, 12:06:38 AM
This is a bittersweet reunion. T_T
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 31, 2009, 12:54:27 AM
I have yet to conjure up Grey Ninja, I must be low on mana.
I would MSN him but I think by now he may have fully lost his mind. Last time I talked to him he lived on 100% Ramen and slept with a sword underneath his bed. He has a Nintendo tattoo on his arm. He likes hentai better than regular porn.
That man scares me.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on January 31, 2009, 02:50:31 AM
Soon I will be living in 100% ramen, I look forward to it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 31, 2009, 03:07:36 AM
Has anyone tried to lure Bill back? I messaged him on MSN but he just said sorry. I don't know why he still posts on NeoGaf, they are much more negative on Nintendo over there. ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 31, 2009, 04:27:07 AM
THIS IS A FAREWELL KISS YOU DOG
*throws shoes*
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KDR_11k on January 31, 2009, 07:58:39 AM
Has anyone tried to lure Bill back? I messaged him on MSN but he just said sorry. I don't know why he still posts on NeoGaf, they are much more negative on Nintendo over there. ;)
Yeah, but it's expected at NeoGaf, so at least you know what you're getting into.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 31, 2009, 12:42:13 PM
So, as soon as Bill leaves, we have a bunch of the classic posters start posting again. Mouse_clicker, PIAC, Termin8Anakin, myself. It looks like Bill was the one holding these forums back. Frankly, I think this is great. It's a golden age for the forums. One that will never end.
It just shows how significant Bill was.
KDR, Pro, Bill... some users have just been active so long and so often that they define the forums. Bill was one of those, and it's sad to see him go.
Yes, I realize that. It was a joke. Although it would be great if people stuck around even if it is just to hang out out in the funhouse and joke around. That's mostly what I do. And mafia games also. You should check one out. [/end shameless plug]
That's why I made the joke about a golden age for the forum. While I think it would be nice if these longtime posters stuck around, I know they probably won't. Which is a shame since it is great to know that they are still out there and still care a bit to come back and post like this.
And I agree with RAB that Bill will be back. Sometimes I think we all need a break from the forums and I think that's all Bill needs right now. There was a spell where I was hardly around and you just need that break to get some more free time. These forums can be great but they are also a big time sink as well. When he finds time, I'm sure he'll be back also.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 01, 2009, 09:06:18 AM
I blame Khush for Bill's leaving. Bill stopped playing Mafia and we all know Mafia is the NWR glue that sticks forever.
If Khush wasn't so good at Mafia Bill might still play...and then he couldn't leave because he would be stuck in the proverbial Gorilla Glue that is NWR mafia.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 01, 2009, 04:44:43 PM
I'll never play Mafia.
So much for glue.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: decoyman on February 02, 2009, 05:06:27 PM
Maybe Bill will come back if we let him change his name to Akai or whatever it was...
Somebody tell him! :P
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 02, 2009, 06:21:30 PM
the cubed canuck was chronically negative before it was cool
take that ian your act was old even when it was new
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 02, 2009, 06:37:39 PM
Aren't they both Canadican?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Lady Une on February 02, 2009, 06:40:13 PM
Goodbye Bill. You brought a lot of laughter to these forums.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 02, 2009, 07:40:06 PM
Didn't the cubed canuck get banned?
The puzzle pieces are beginning to fit together.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on February 02, 2009, 08:36:43 PM
Hard to say. It looks like Deg might have banned him (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=9818.msg127324#msg127324), but I can't say for certain.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 02, 2009, 09:07:20 PM
ugh five years ago me is annoying
funny bill quote: "Just because more people like something more than another means nothing...Each person has individual likes and dislikes, even if it puts them in the minority...And I probably am in the minority thanks to casual gamers..."
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 02, 2009, 10:28:48 PM
There were always trolls here, even way before cubed canuck. They all came and went, it just happens that Rick or Hrusecky banned people long before they had enough time to build up anything even approaching a resume of trolling so there isn't as many names for people.
I remember when everyone liked Ian. Seven years ago he was probably the most prominent poster, or at least a tied for one of the most, along with SPE and a few others. What the heck happened? Staying on this forum make him go crazy (like Gray Ninja)?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2009, 12:31:21 AM
So many people here that I don't recognize. :(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on February 03, 2009, 11:07:59 AM
I recognize SOME names, from when i used to read old threads because this place was a ghost town. Do what i do, grab some popcorn and sit by the fireplace and enjoy these elders and their stories.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: decoyman on February 03, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
I recognize all these guys. :) I was a lurker for a loooooooooong time before I actually registered and started posting.
There was one guy with a homer simpson avatar (not ferny) who used to post a lot when I first started lurking... don't remember his name, but I remember that I always seemed to like his posts.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 03, 2009, 12:40:08 PM
I recognize some of the names...but I am a thread browser, I don't read every post...I find specific posters I like to read (Both Ian Sane and Bill are/were posters I liked to read) and then I try to read all the interesting and intelligent posts on the boards.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2009, 12:45:58 PM
I recognize some of the names...but I am a thread browser, I don't read every post...I find specific posters I like to read (Both Ian Sane and Bill are/were posters I liked to read) and then I try to read all the interesting and intelligent posts on the boards.
Sad. You didn't mention me.
::cries::
:'(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Ian Sane on February 03, 2009, 12:58:37 PM
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There was one guy with a homer simpson avatar (not ferny) who used to post a lot when I first started lurking... don't remember his name, but I remember that I always seemed to like his posts.
That was BigN, I think.
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I remember when everyone liked Ian. Seven years ago he was probably the most prominent poster, or at least a tied for one of the most, along with SPE and a few others. What the heck happened? Staying on this forum make him go crazy (like Gray Ninja)?
I think I just used to have opinions that were popular and don't so much anymore. The DS was probably the turning point as I really thought it had a lousy launch and was a real dud at first and that was not a universally held opinion. I guess people who just dropped 150 bucks don't like hearing someone point out what a poor purchase they just made. I didn't go crazy. Nintendo just changed and my opinion of that is not the majority opinion.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 03, 2009, 01:05:23 PM
I recognize some of the names...but I am a thread browser, I don't read every post...I find specific posters I like to read (Both Ian Sane and Bill are/were posters I liked to read) and then I try to read all the interesting and intelligent posts on the boards.
Sad. You didn't mention me.
::cries::
:'(
Ha I mentioned Bill and Ian Sane, because this Game Over thread is mostly about them it appears. Anyway, I do read your posts to you big cry baby.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on February 03, 2009, 01:37:04 PM
The DS was probably the turning point as I really thought it had a lousy launch and was a real dud at first and that was not a universally held opinion. I guess people who just dropped 150 bucks don't like hearing someone point out what a poor purchase they just made. I didn't go crazy. Nintendo just changed and my opinion of that is not the majority opinion.
I like how you used to not like the DS but now you do, but it's still everyone's fault for enjoying the system before you did.
Even if the system had a less-than-stellar launch, the potential was there and everyone saw it but you. That's why we were excited. You can't play catch-up a year later and fault us for jumping on board the DS train first.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2009, 01:41:44 PM
It is funny with the DS, while the first few months were pretty dry I still had more fun playing it then the PSP when it first came out. SM64 DS was a GREAT port even if the controls were iffy (still got all 150 stars though).
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 03, 2009, 01:47:50 PM
Does the fact that the DS has met and surpassed its potential mean that Ian Sane's original post of the poor DS lineup wasn't valid.
The DS lineup was not a great lineup. It was Ok...better than many console launches, but it did not truly sell the system's potential. And it took awhile to get that across.
The Wii's lineup was much better for selling the concept even though it had about the same number of games. People saw the immediate potential of the Wii (at least consumers did) even though developers are still taking awhile to truly see the potential of the system and recognize it as the leader.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on February 03, 2009, 02:01:31 PM
I remember when everyone liked Ian. Seven years ago he was probably the most prominent poster, or at least a tied for one of the most, along with SPE and a few others. What the heck happened? Staying on this forum make him go crazy (like Gray Ninja)?
Wow really? Man there is an entire history here that I completely missed out on by not coming here 'till 2004.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Arbok on February 03, 2009, 09:50:08 PM
Wow really? Man there is an entire history here that I completely missed out on by not coming here 'till 2004.
Ha ha... yes, it's odd how generations seem to have spawned from the board.
The forums certainly had a different flavor early on, and I do recall the huge dry spells vividly that occurred down the road. Hell, it's amazing how long some posters here have stuck around (I will always recall Ian with the overweight shyguy avatar too that he once had).
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: PIAC on February 04, 2009, 12:35:34 PM
Also, I'd stick around more but I don't even play console games any more. Left 4 Dead for ever sorry.
PILLS HERE!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on February 04, 2009, 02:25:33 PM
I'm looking for pictures of a girl in a bath tub. Does anyone have any?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 04, 2009, 06:30:25 PM
If Ian Sane ever loses the Batman Avatars I will be sad....he has kept that up for YEARS, and it is one of the most iconic avatars on these boards.
That is what makes me sad about people that switch their avatars too frequently, they lose some of their personality.
I have always used my friends artwork of the character Spak-Spang, until I switched to the Rescue Raptor, which is a character I created and my friend drew up for me. I don't really want to switch because the dinosaur is more me than you will ever know.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Khushrenada on February 04, 2009, 06:59:08 PM
But I want you to go back to the Spak-Spang character. That's how I think of you. With the triangle hair.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on February 04, 2009, 07:33:23 PM
That is true. I truly am Spak-Spang, it was a character my friend created that took true events from my life and twisted them into the Crazy Spak-Spang character.
I may go back one day...but I will wait until my friend draws another picture.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NovaQ on February 04, 2009, 09:20:50 PM
So, I'm a super-new member. (This is like, my fourth of fifth post.) It's interesting and somewhat encouraging to hear about so many current members that I recognize having been lurkers and severely infrequent posters for so long. It has felt a little intimidating just reading the forums now that I've joined; I've been feeling that I must immediately make a name for myself with distinctive style and strong opinions. It's nice to see that becoming a solid member of a forum is something that may take a while.
And with all that said, I wouldn't be surprised (or offended) if my post here, amidst those of the veterans and current regulars, gets no responses...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2009, 09:33:13 PM
Well I have be here for a little over a year.Joined Jan 11th 2008. I lurked some back in 2003.I think I may of made an account back then.If I did I can't for the life of me remember the name I used. I find if you can contribute something to the community and continue to do so than you found your niche.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on February 04, 2009, 09:50:36 PM
It has felt a little intimidating just reading the forums now that I've joined; I've been feeling that I must immediately make a name for myself with distinctive style and strong opinions. It's nice to see that becoming a solid member of a forum is something that may take a while.
Man, posting on NWR sounds hardcore...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NovaQ on February 04, 2009, 10:00:44 PM
It has felt a little intimidating just reading the forums now that I've joined; I've been feeling that I must immediately make a name for myself with distinctive style and strong opinions. It's nice to see that becoming a solid member of a forum is something that may take a while.
Man, posting on NWR sounds hardcore...
I've been reading the forums for the past couple of years or so, and y'all definitely have developed an interesting community.
I don't see posting here as being impossibly difficult or intimidating, though. I just don't like doing things half-assed.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Pale on February 04, 2009, 10:15:31 PM
Nova, you are already doing everything right by taking the time to think about what makes a good poster. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: stevey on February 04, 2009, 10:22:54 PM
Nova, you are already doing everything right by taking the time to think about what makes a good poster. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
He's lying! Pale is trying to trick you into letting down your guard so he can eat you, run for your life!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 04, 2009, 10:26:05 PM
Am I the only one who never really lurked and just kinda jumped in with both feet?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NovaQ on February 04, 2009, 10:32:34 PM
Nova, you are already doing everything right by taking the time to think about what makes a good poster. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Cool beans! Actually, I'm already feeling welcome here. So welcome that maybe I should share my home address and other personal inform--
Nova, you are already doing everything right by taking the time to think about what makes a good poster. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
He's lying! Pale is trying to trick you into letting down your guard so he can eat you, run for your life!
Hey, thanks! That was a close one. I am outta' here!
Maybe I should check out that NeoGAF place instead. Everyone's always mentioning it around here. Or the GameFAQS boards...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: stevey on February 04, 2009, 10:43:29 PM
S-U-C-C-E-S-S-!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: TheFleece on February 04, 2009, 10:49:59 PM
Am I the only one who never really lurked and just kinda jumped in with both feet?
Sorta. I found Radio Free Nintendo on itunes and joined after I realized there was a site, but I didn't really post around- I wrote letters to the podcast and was a rogue in the talkback threads. That was in June 07.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NovaQ on February 04, 2009, 10:53:37 PM
And with all that said, I wouldn't be surprised (or offended) if my post here, amidst those of the veterans and current regulars, gets no responses...
Welcome to the forums! Be sure to get an avatar. Without one, I'll inadvertently skim over your posts. (Not claiming it's rational; it's just the way it is.)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NovaQ on February 05, 2009, 07:22:48 AM
And with all that said, I wouldn't be surprised (or offended) if my post here, amidst those of the veterans and current regulars, gets no responses...
Welcome to the forums! Be sure to get an avatar. Without one, I'll inadvertently skim over your posts. (Not claiming it's rational; it's just the way it is.)
No, that makes sense. I sometimes do the same thing. I drew myself an avatar that I hope to finish and upload this weekend. Thanks for the welcome! (I'm not sure why I assumed people would be semi-unfriendly around here, but I'm glad to be proven otherwise.)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on February 05, 2009, 09:48:26 AM
Nova, you are already doing everything right by taking the time to think about what makes a good poster. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
I take that as a personal insult towards me for being a crappy poster. Reporting this to Mods!
And with all that said, I wouldn't be surprised (or offended) if my post here, amidst those of the veterans and current regulars, gets no responses...
Welcome to the forums! Be sure to get an avatar. Without one, I'll inadvertently skim over your posts. (Not claiming it's rational; it's just the way it is.)
No, that makes sense. I sometimes do the same thing. I drew myself an avatar that I hope to finish and upload this weekend. Thanks for the welcome! (I'm not sure why I assumed people would be semi-unfriendly around here, but I'm glad to be proven otherwise.)
As long as you're post are coherant, you won't get any sh*t slung your way (not that we should be slinging sh*t either way..). Oh, and don't make stupid polls.. unless they're funny, and only in the funhouse. Other than that, welcome aboard!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Ian Sane on February 05, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
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If Ian Sane ever loses the Batman Avatars I will be sad....he has kept that up for YEARS, and it is one of the most iconic avatars on these boards.
Really? I've gotten very bored of it and have been thinking of changing it. I can only think of five avatars I've ever used on these boards, dating back to PGC pre-EZBoards days. If I change it I would likely keep the new avatar long enough to be identified with it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Dasmos on February 05, 2009, 09:34:52 PM
Your previous one was Loki/Lucifer right?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 05, 2009, 10:22:44 PM
I thought it was Brian Adams from WCW. (or Masahiro Chono? nWo)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NovaQ on February 05, 2009, 10:29:18 PM
And with all that said, I wouldn't be surprised (or offended) if my post here, amidst those of the veterans and current regulars, gets no responses...
Welcome to the forums! Be sure to get an avatar. Without one, I'll inadvertently skim over your posts. (Not claiming it's rational; it's just the way it is.)
No, that makes sense. I sometimes do the same thing. I drew myself an avatar that I hope to finish and upload this weekend. Thanks for the welcome! (I'm not sure why I assumed people would be semi-unfriendly around here, but I'm glad to be proven otherwise.)
Alright, avatar's up. I hope I won't get skimmed over now...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on February 06, 2009, 01:14:31 AM
It sort of is for certain people. For example, I myself created my account four years ago but it wasn't until about three months ago that I started actually posting on a regular basis. And by "regular basis" I mean about 2 posts a day. I don't feel like my presence here is any different than it was four years ago, probably because this forum is incredibly active and I don't have the time to keep up with it all.
It's a shame, because this place seems like a good community for those who can get themselves to be a part of it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: RABicle on February 06, 2009, 03:01:30 AM
It sort of is for certain people. For example, I myself created my account four years ago but it wasn't until about three months ago that I started actually posting on a regular basis. And by "regular basis" I mean about 2 posts a day. I don't feel like my presence here is any different than it was four years ago, probably because this forum is incredibly active and I don't have the time to keep up with it all.
It's a shame, because this place seems like a good community for those who can get themselves to be a part of it.
Hey, two posts a day doesn't sound that bad. That's probably about what I'll be capable of. I would think (hope) that, as long as you make your posts count, it'll add to the community in a positive and worthwhile way.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 06, 2009, 12:43:18 PM
It sort of is for certain people. For example, I myself created my account four years ago but it wasn't until about three months ago that I started actually posting on a regular basis. And by "regular basis" I mean about 2 posts a day. I don't feel like my presence here is any different than it was four years ago, probably because this forum is incredibly active and I don't have the time to keep up with it all.
It's a shame, because this place seems like a good community for those who can get themselves to be a part of it.
Hey, two posts a day doesn't sound that bad. That's probably about what I'll be capable of. I would think (hope) that, as long as you make your posts count, it'll add to the community in a positive and worthwhile way.
Don't bash Mario Sunshine and you will be fine. ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Ian Sane on February 06, 2009, 12:44:30 PM
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I thought it was Brian Adams from WCW. (or Masahiro Chono? nWo)
It was Chono.
Brian Adams? Of all the wrestler to ever exist why would ANYONE pick freakin' CRUSH as an avatar? :)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 06, 2009, 02:04:21 PM
Hey, there were both doing that stupid trenchcoat/sunglasses thug look during that golden age of television.
And he wasn't Crush anymore, that property stayed with W.orld W.ildlife F.oundation. Just 100% Brian Adams.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on February 06, 2009, 07:24:55 PM
I would think (hope) that, as long as you make your posts count, it'll add to the community in a positive and worthwhile way.
Maybe I had better leave now then. I'm a person of few words so I try to get my point across in as few words as possible.
Nice author icon by the way, NovaQ. :) Luigi is my best character in Smash Brothers because a certain pink dinosaur wasn't included for some strange reason.
Quote from: GoldenPheonix
Don't bash Mario Sunshine and you will be fine.
Now that's a game I need to play again, as years have gone by since my one and only play though. Would I still be lynched if I claimed that I didn't particularly like it, but am willing to give it another chance, and I actually think that I would actually enjoy it the second time around?
Now that was a bit of an awkward sentence...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ThePerm on February 07, 2009, 02:08:16 AM
Nice author icon by the way, NovaQ. :) Luigi is my best character in Smash Brothers because a certain pink dinosaur wasn't included for some strange reason.
Thanks! Click the link in my signature for a closer look at the picture. I spent a while working on it (it was my first time in Photoshop) and it makes me sad that it's so small on the forums. I think I might try a few more of my own takes on Smash Bros. taunts.
Now that's a game I need to play again, as years have gone by since my one and only play though. Would I still be lynched if I claimed that I didn't particularly like it, but am willing to give it another chance, and I actually think that I would actually enjoy it the second time around?
Now that was a bit of an awkward sentence...
Sunshine isn't my favorite Mario game, but I enjoyed it. It looked good, cleaning things was oddly satisfying, and the special areas in particular were really fun. It was also great simply to have a new main-line Mario game to play. But, I wasn't wild about the last several blue coins and the somewhat lack of variety among the levels (though it makes sense that they were all set on the island setting). Bowser's appearance was a bit of a letdown ("Sweet, it's Bowser! But he's... talking and sitting in a hot tub and-- oh, fight's over already. Huh").
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on February 07, 2009, 12:34:02 PM
I spent a while working on it (it was my first time in Photoshop) and it makes me sad that it's so small on the forums.
I know what you mean, 100x100 pixels is a pretty small area to work with, it makes it difficult to see the finer details. My suggestion would be to draw a picture with that dimension in mind.
Quote from: vudu
Birdo isn't a dinosaur.
If Birdo isn't a dinosaur, then what would you say he is? Mario Superstar Baseball refers to Birdo as a dinosaur, and I know one shouldn't believe everything that appears in a game, but that's the closest creature he relates to so it's what I'm going with.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 07, 2009, 06:28:36 PM
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Sunshine isn't my favorite Mario game, but I enjoyed it. It looked good, cleaning things was oddly satisfying, and the special areas in particular were really fun. It was also great simply to have a new main-line Mario game to play. But, I wasn't wild about the last several blue coins and the somewhat lack of variety among the levels (though it makes sense that they were all set on the island setting). Bowser's appearance was a bit of a letdown ("Sweet, it's Bowser! But he's... talking and sitting in a hot tub and-- oh, fight's over already. Huh").
I actually liked the final boss battle, it was very different and unique. Not to mention it had GORGEOUS visuals. But I know I'm in the minority for liking it ;).
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on February 07, 2009, 11:32:50 PM
The final battle definitely fit the context of the game, it was like Bowser was on sabbatical. Did you ever stop and think that maybe Mario was the one who ruined Bowser's vacation?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on February 08, 2009, 12:57:35 AM
Welcome new posters! Just for kicks, search the forums for the phrase "serious gamer" and you'll see some infamous posts made by me, a.k.a. The Guy That Runs This Site. That will clue you in to a bunch of the sordid history of these forums. ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 08, 2009, 01:07:53 AM
Welcome new posters! Just for kicks, search the forums for the phrase "serious gamer" and you'll see some infamous posts made by me, a.k.a. The Guy That Runs This Site. That will clue you in to a bunch of the sordid history of these forums. ;)
I searched for that but its not working.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on February 08, 2009, 01:12:58 AM
Welcome new posters! Just for kicks, search the forums for the phrase "serious gamer" and you'll see some infamous posts made by me, a.k.a. The Guy That Ruins This Site. That will clue you in to a bunch of the sordid history of these forums. ;)
I searched for that but its not working.
Fixed
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NovaQ on February 08, 2009, 11:08:37 AM
Sunshine isn't my favorite Mario game, but I enjoyed it. It looked good, cleaning things was oddly satisfying, and the special areas in particular were really fun. It was also great simply to have a new main-line Mario game to play. But, I wasn't wild about the last several blue coins and the somewhat lack of variety among the levels (though it makes sense that they were all set on the island setting). Bowser's appearance was a bit of a letdown ("Sweet, it's Bowser! But he's... talking and sitting in a hot tub and-- oh, fight's over already. Huh").
I actually liked the final boss battle, it was very different and unique. Not to mention it had GORGEOUS visuals. But I know I'm in the minority for liking it ;).
Yeah, that was one purdy fight. I enjoyed Corona Mountain, too (both its visuals and the level itself), but the whole final encounter seemed a little too "flash in the pan" for me to really enjoy. Oh well.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Arbok on February 08, 2009, 02:37:38 PM
Welcome new posters! Just for kicks, search the forums for the phrase "serious gamer" and you'll see some infamous posts made by me, a.k.a. The Guy That Runs This Site. That will clue you in to a bunch of the sordid history of these forums. ;)
I searched for that but its not working.
Classic...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mysticspike on February 25, 2009, 09:06:23 PM
Okay, well I only read pretty much just the first page of this thread, but of what I read, I'm going to remain neutral on this discussion, because I spend little to no time in the video game areas, just the Funhouse (if that's what it's still called) and General Chat. But I am very sad to see Bill leave, because the few times I had a discussion with him were not very pleasent and I wish I could have gotten to know him better and maybe been friends. As for Mario, I'm sad to see him leave as well. I didn't know him that well either, but I did talk to him a few times and he seemed like a nice guy to me.
So I guess those are my thoughts on this. I'm always sad to see people leave, friends or not.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 25, 2009, 09:27:54 PM
Yeah I miss Bill.I have been e-mailing him some.When he isn't busy with medical school he was playing Deadly Creatures and Fear 2. I made a folder for Bill's e-mails. After I respond I put his e-mails in the folder.I want to get in contact with Mario but I don't know his e-mail.I might have Mario registered on my Wii.Need to check. edit:I have him registered but he must of not added me.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: D_Average on February 25, 2009, 10:17:48 PM
but I don't know his e-mail.I might have Mario registered on my Wii.Need to check. edit:I have him registered but he must of not added me.
That SOB!! No wonder they deleted him!!!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 25, 2009, 10:26:00 PM
I saw that he finally made an Avatar for his XBOX Live account.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on February 26, 2009, 08:47:26 PM
i emailed bill something EB related the other day, but it wasn't anything much to reply to so i don't expect to hear back from him. I really do miss his personality around here, it was one of a kind.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 27, 2009, 03:47:59 AM
Well I am close to the breaking point, where either Ian goes or I go. I am sick of his incessant complaining and repetitious negative comments.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on February 27, 2009, 01:36:11 PM
You could just--I don't know--not read his posts. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 27, 2009, 01:39:57 PM
That doesn't stop him from, posting.
You have to make a stand and reply with great vigor and justice.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 28, 2009, 04:53:01 AM
That might be the most insightful thing that's ever been written in these forums. I'm going to have to sit on it for a while.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not...
One question to all: would you be alright with Ian being around if you saw the mods give him warnings if he gets out of hand?
It seems that the biggest issue here is that people get warned for arguing with Ian but he doesn't get warned at all.
He might not be breaking the rules, but there are times where he posts some rather asinine comments that warrant at least a warning. I know Lindy did this once.
Right now, it looks like the mods are on Ian's side while the people trying to make some sense of this get warned. Again, if they warned him or hell, even temp-ban him for a bit I think everything would be balanced.
What Vudu says, though, is good too. It might not stop him from posting, but at least he won't be getting the attention he likely wants. We ALL know that he will never say anything positive about gaming. Even if the news is really, really awesome and changes games forever in a positive way Ian will find something negative to exploit and diminish the impact. He's become the running gag in a tired old sitcom. You see it coming and you never laugh, you just move on with whatever else is going on.
We also know that he preaches a double standard he doesn't even follow, so he's even more of a joke that he was before.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 28, 2009, 02:31:07 PM
That might be the most insightful thing that's ever been written in these forums. I'm going to have to sit on it for a while.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not...
One question to all: would you be alright with Ian being around if you saw the mods give him warnings if he gets out of hand?
It seems that the biggest issue here is that people get warned for arguing with Ian but he doesn't get warned at all.
He might not be breaking the rules, but there are times where he posts some rather asinine comments that warrant at least a warning. I know Lindy did this once.
Right now, it looks like the mods are on Ian's side while the people trying to make some sense of this get warned. Again, if they warned him or hell, even temp-ban him for a bit I think everything would be balanced.
What Vudu says, though, is good too. It might not stop him from posting, but at least he won't be getting the attention he likely wants. We ALL know that he will never say anything positive about gaming. Even if the news is really, really awesome and changes games forever in a positive way Ian will find something negative to exploit and diminish the impact. He's become the running gag in a tired old sitcom. You see it coming and you never laugh, you just move on with whatever else is going on.
We also know that he preaches a double standard he doesn't even follow, so he's even more of a joke that he was before.
I would be ok with him getting warnings if he got out of hand.About the argueing with Ian but getting warned yourself.You just have to provide evidence that is short and to the point.Don't give him a chance to slip in one of his inane posts.In the Nintendo losing its roots topic when he brought up epic new IPs I just reminded him of the October conference.
Yeah Lindy has warned him a few times.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on February 28, 2009, 03:26:03 PM
Well I am close to the breaking point, where either Ian goes or I go. I am sick of his incessant complaining and repetitious negative comments.
No matter where you go on the Internet, there will always be negative people who complain about everything. By that same token, there will always be positive people who rejoice and celebrate everything. There are also people everywhere in between. You just have to try and focus on the topics and posts you want to see and try to ignore/forget about the stuff that bothers you. From my experience there are forums out there with far more negativity than this one, although your absence would result in the loss of a positive influence of this community.
If you are truly a positive person then you will not allow any pressing cynic to ruin your day. When your spirit is strong, no one can ever hope to crush it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on February 28, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
Well I am close to the breaking point, where either Ian goes or I go. I am sick of his incessant complaining and repetitious negative comments.
I find it funny that it is Ian and not I that has pushed you this far ;).
And Mop It Up is right. Ian has been here for years. You just need to learn how to not let him bother you. I'm actually surprised that Bill left considering how long Ian has been on these forums. It's funny, when the GC was arguably in the shitter, Ian caused no one to leave. Now the Wii is the market leader and everyone is abandoning ship.
Weird.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 28, 2009, 03:37:53 PM
Well I am close to the breaking point, where either Ian goes or I go. I am sick of his incessant complaining and repetitious negative comments.
I find it funny that it is Ian and not I that has pushed you this far ;).
And Mop It Up is right. Ian has been here for years. You just need to learn how to not let him bother you. I'm actually surprised that Bill left considering how long Ian has been on these forums. It's funny, when the GC was arguably in the shitter, Ian caused no one to leave. Now the Wii is the market leader and everyone is abandoning ship.
Weird.
I woudln't leave because of you. Yeah you may get under my skin from time to time but I cannot say I dislike you.
It is the snowball effect, as we lose more counterbalances like Bill, then it starts shifting to one side and becomes more pronounced. Ian is no different today then he ever was, but since there aren't as many people to buffer his comments they become more striking.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on February 28, 2009, 04:20:01 PM
Maxi is the new Bill.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 28, 2009, 07:39:32 PM
I don't think I could replace Bill. Sure I am kind and all but I don't have as much knowledge as Bill.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on February 28, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
It is the snowball effect, as we lose more counterbalances like Bill, then it starts shifting to one side and becomes more pronounced. Ian is no different today then he ever was, but since there aren't as many people to buffer his comments they become more striking.
Maybe, but if you leave then the ratio is going to get worse. Do you really want to do that to us? :'(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on March 01, 2009, 02:19:13 AM
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on March 10, 2009, 11:05:30 PM
So you want Bill to make a dupe? But it just wouldnt be the same :(
oh crap, pgc/nwr 10 years celebration? and i'm not getting drunk to celebrate!? HOW COME NO ONE PMs ME IMPORTANT THINGS!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on March 11, 2009, 12:22:08 AM
How can we be so sure that Stratos isn't Bill? He did join the day after this topic was created...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 11, 2009, 01:09:52 AM
Could be. I suspect everyone here is a dupe of another poster. Hell, who's to say I'm really Smash_Brother's dupe? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN US IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER??? DUN DUN DUN!
Anyways, going back to Bill...
Its sad that we are celebrating NWR's 10th anniversary and one of its best members left on a big sour note.
Its puts a damp on the whole thing since the reason he left was because he felt the management is being unfair and losing the point of the site being a Nintendo site.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NovaQ on March 11, 2009, 07:46:15 AM
Its puts a damp on the whole thing since the reason he left was because he felt the management is being unfair and losing the point of the site being a Nintendo site.
Hopefully the staff's recent efforts will bring about a remedy for this.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 11, 2009, 07:55:27 AM
Well the staffs attitude has been good with a few exceptions. Hiring Flames of Chaos helped with the news. The 10 year celebration has gone well in a timely fashion.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_DrewMG on March 11, 2009, 09:01:57 AM
Personally, I've really enjoyed the free games they've been sending out to all the users...
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 11, 2009, 11:48:32 AM
He's not coming back. Trust me.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: vudu on March 11, 2009, 01:59:05 PM
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mantidor on March 18, 2009, 10:51:05 PM
WHAT THE HELL!!?
I know I always say the same, how late I am to the party, but this is just ridiculous, BILL LEFT AND ONLY NOW I NOTICED!!?? I MISSED ALL THIS FORUM DRAMA?
I used to be a frequent poster, but the interest waned and I end up lurking more around Neogaf and Penny Arcade because 1) they get news first 2) I'm actually more interested in their off topic discussions than the gaming ones, which just bore me to death. And the general chat here was slow. Still, this is my home, and my nintendo online experience has been only with you people (and by experience I mean exchanging Metroid Prime Corruption vouchers with Pro, because the one time I tried with smash there was no success), I feel terrible all this happened in what I consider my gaming internet home and I didn't even know.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on March 18, 2009, 11:04:38 PM
You should be temp banned!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 19, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
Should I buy the Majora's Mask Toys R Us promo VHS tape? I don't know what's on it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ShyGuy on March 19, 2009, 02:16:29 AM
VHS? Surely there a better quality MM promo feeds on the intertubes.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 19, 2009, 03:57:42 AM
... that were probably taken from the original limited edition VHS tape.
This is a time before game trailers were put on DVDs.
But these yahoos on eBay want $40-$80 for this tape. ($40 sealed, $80 open/raped)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Shift Key on March 19, 2009, 08:36:00 AM
An integral part of leaving something is not to come back. Otherwise you haven't truly left.
Bill gets this. Shift Key does not. ;)
Remember what happened the last time I left? I have to work out a way to top that before I decide to leave again. And don't confuse Bill's frustration with the forum community with my apathy towards you guys - I gave up expressing interest in anything game-related a while ago (haven't you noticed this?)
PS: Aside from Bill's farewell and that kid who made my head hurt, its been a fairly weak 2009 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=166). The most serious thing I've written was probably this (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=27234.msg482590#msg482590), which covers why this place just isn't fun any more.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: mantidor on March 19, 2009, 11:14:14 AM
Should I buy the Majora's Mask Toys R Us promo VHS tape? I don't know what's on it.
You shouldn't even have to ask.
I will forever regret not buying the Majora's mask figure from first4figures, despite being horribly overpriced.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 19, 2009, 11:47:24 AM
Ok I'll get it.
It'll go nicely with my new (used) S-video VCR I bought to play old N64 promo tapes.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 22, 2009, 07:02:15 PM
You know what? Despite the issues we have faced in the last few months at NWR I still take this place over some of the other sites.
For a while, I tried being a regular at VGChartz. But all they do is talk about sales, there's nothing but troll threads on ALL forums and the whole place just seems idiotic. We might be smaller and we may have a few Ians here and there, but on the whole this place is much better because we actually have game discussions.
I just looked at the site once more and there were too many idiotic threads for me.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on March 22, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
T_T
Pap! I don't wanna lose you to VGChartz!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 22, 2009, 08:16:39 PM
Kairon I don't think he will be going over there.He didn't like it over there. About other forums there is one that I am a member of.There aren't that many people who signed up.There is like 8 members.This site just got started up in January of this year.Its a really nice site.We basicaly just talk about games.None of this other stuff.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 22, 2009, 08:17:45 PM
Funny how NINTENDO World Report banned the one and only "Mario" here.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_pap64 on March 22, 2009, 08:52:19 PM
I never really paid much attention to the VGchartz comment section.
I am talking about the forums, but yeah the comments are just as bad.
See, the VGhcartz forums is a perfect representation is why the console wars are stupid. No one is talking about games there. All they do is compare sales numbers (which are unofficial BTW), bash each system and try to proclaim why they hate a system (whether through a thread or through a signatures). There's no discussion, there's no love of gaming, there's no HEART. Its all one big popularity contest where it goes down to "My console can beat up YOUR console" debates.
We may have acted like this on ocassion (myself included), but at the very least games ARE discussed, analyzed and recommended. We may be dysfunctional but we work better as a gaming community that some of the other forums.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on March 23, 2009, 08:02:20 PM
Don't worry, I won't be going there for a while. Like I said, I just checked their site today and left as quickly as I came.
resisting the obvious joke...
with me coming to these forums less and less for various reasons, i'm beginning to fear that one day i'll return to find only unfamiliar faces. so before that happens, just wanna say i enjoy all you regulars who make this place worthwhile, a drink on the curb to all our fallen homies, and how i "love" all of you ('cept the perm cuz he himself said he sux)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 23, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
So, like has this Game Over Thread gotten enough pages to become a MEGA THREAD yet?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 23, 2009, 10:43:36 PM
It has been going on a while since the end of January.Bill was pretty important to the site.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ThePerm on March 24, 2009, 01:20:25 AM
damn right Bill was important! Don't forget it! He was a special poster right from the beginning. Knew his stuff and was one of the people who introduced the WEIRDNESS into the forums. Otherwise these forums would probably be much more dull. What isn't understood well is that the forum is rather stable in the pantheon of video game forums. Our mind share has an effect on the rest of gaming. I can understand why he would be pissed off at negativity. It just drags the whole community down. I'm upset at Japanese developers for running the industry and not being creative enough. From my experience from the n64 years until now, we could be much further along in quality of games. It just seems that games have had these ridiculous fads since the last generation. There are so many good ideas that are not implemented because developers play it safe.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 24, 2009, 01:33:26 AM
You know Bill was pretty informative about everything in gaming.His Anime Screenshots were humorous at times. Greeney was great. He was a kind person.I miss him.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Stogi on March 24, 2009, 01:35:24 AM
I miss making fun of Bill. :(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on March 24, 2009, 01:37:12 AM
I miss bill. T_T
I also owe him money. T_T
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ShyGuy on March 24, 2009, 01:55:38 AM
How do you owe Bill money?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Kairon on March 24, 2009, 02:15:00 AM
Oh wait, maybe not Bill...ummm... Mario. I owe Mario money.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 24, 2009, 02:27:18 AM
Speaking of Mario I got his e-mail from Bill. I sent him one a while week or so ago.I hope he responds soon.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 24, 2009, 02:38:36 AM
You know what? Despite the issues we have faced in the last few months at NWR I still take this place over some of the other sites.
For a while, I tried being a regular at VGChartz. But all they do is talk about sales, there's nothing but troll threads on ALL forums and the whole place just seems idiotic. We might be smaller and we may have a few Ians here and there, but on the whole this place is much better because we actually have game discussions.
I just looked at the site once more and there were too many idiotic threads for me.
I tried looking for other sites and tried The Escapist. Their forums are 90% polls and 10% fanboy trolling. Threads grow so fast that noone can read them anyway and everybody just throws his piece of mind in there with noone caring about the other people... At least here we talk about actual games.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 24, 2009, 04:37:50 PM
You know what? Despite the issues we have faced in the last few months at NWR I still take this place over some of the other sites.
For a while, I tried being a regular at VGChartz. But all they do is talk about sales, there's nothing but troll threads on ALL forums and the whole place just seems idiotic. We might be smaller and we may have a few Ians here and there, but on the whole this place is much better because we actually have game discussions.
I just looked at the site once more and there were too many idiotic threads for me.
I tried looking for other sites and tried The Escapist. Their forums are 90% polls and 10% fanboy trolling. Threads grow so fast that noone can read them anyway and everybody just throws his piece of mind in there with noone caring about the other people... At least here we talk about actual games.
That is true. Gamefaqs and its idiot posters are the same way. Topics are bumped constantly out of reading range in more popular threads, and the people that post have no problem insulting the other posters. It is not a community, it is a bulletin board. Here you can't really fling around insults left and right, not just because of it being against the rules but everyone knows each other here so while you still have the "protection" with it being through the internet you aren't completely anonymous either.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on March 24, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
I think I'm kind of stuck here. If I were to leave, if anyone remembered me it would be for the wrong reasons. :(
That is true. Gamefaqs and its idiot posters are the same way.
I don't buy into that whole generalization. It just depends on which boards you visit, but there are some intelligent and respectful people there. Many of the popular boards are a mess though... just have to find the not-so-popular boards and you're likely to find some cool people there.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 24, 2009, 07:10:02 PM
Quote
I don't buy into that whole generalization. It just depends on which boards you visit, but there are some intelligent and respectful people there. Many of the popular boards are a mess though... just have to find the not-so-popular boards and you're likely to find some cool people there.
Gamefaqs is trash all around, there may be some good posters here and there but it is filled with a bunch of kids who attack anyone and everything. It is the poster child to why there are no politics and religion allowed here.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on March 24, 2009, 07:16:44 PM
It must just be the boards I visit because I rarely run into that. I do stay away from anything current because of all the garbage which happens on those boards. Older game boards likely means older peoples. :)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on March 24, 2009, 09:38:36 PM
Easycure will return it with goatse. At the bottom of a cream pie.
SHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! you'll ruin it!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 04, 2009, 11:37:39 PM
I know everyone likes hearing about Bill, so here's a recent conversate we had in response to the Red Steak 2 trailer:
[20:01] Bill: i see western awesome, i see actual sword gameplay that we know is now physically possible with M+, i see awesome visual design
so far so good here [20:02] Geoffry Giraffe: But that's not gameplay footage [20:02] Bill: i bet it'll be close if not identical to what was shown [20:02] Daisy: good IR control was physically possible in launch games. in Red Steel it was not. [20:02] PIAC: they turned the awesome realistic gfx into a kiddie disney game, made the emphasis on crappy boring swordfighting, took out multiplayer and no more gangsta style and PROBABLY no more slowmo stuff which was the only thing the original innovated in [20:02] Geoffry Giraffe: More platitudes
<UBI> EH HAHAHAHA that'll keep 'em busy [20:02] Daisy: LOL TRUE GEOF [20:03] Daisy: this is no leak [20:03] Daisy: it's intentional [20:03] Geoffry Giraffe: Yeha Bill, they said "close to if not identical" last time [20:03] Geoffry Giraffe: Fool me once [20:03] Bill: that was before we knew what the wiimote could really do [20:03] Daisy: you give it to some OTHER COUNTRY'S NEWS STATION and expect them to handle the footage with care? laffo [20:04] PIAC: lol [20:04] Daisy: this is just the Road to E3 viral hype [20:04] Geoffry Giraffe: I mean Wii isn't cabale of those graffix and it will be rushed as all hell and WORSE [20:04] Geoffry Giraffe: WORSE is that the gam won't sell because everybody thought the first one sucked [20:04] Daisy: and here's another knock on this fake trailer, the original Red Steel trailer had IN GAME GRAPHICS [20:04] Bill: uh, so are these [20:05] PIAC: i liked the first one which is why i dont want this [20:05] Daisy: they're not bill [20:05] Bill: just AA'd [20:05] Daisy: wii doesn't have AA [20:05] Bill: but it's the ingame engine [20:05] Daisy: wii can't output that rez [20:05] Daisy: it had PoP 360 engine written all over it [20:05] Bill: i don't give a **** about resolution [20:05] PIAC: ubisofts plan is working, everyone is arguing [20:05] Daisy: LOL GRUB [20:05] Bill: it's a trailer meant to be played on a big screen [20:06] Bill: hence it being an internal trailer [20:06] PIAC: tearing apart the Wii base from the inside [20:06] Geoffry Giraffe: Yeah, they don't need to be honest [20:06] Daisy: and trailers for WII GAMES meant to be played on big screens means the footage gets UPSCALED AND NOTICEABLY BLURRY [20:06] Daisy: upscaling WII GAMES doesn't suddenly INCREASE DETAIL [20:06] Daisy: not a chance [20:06] Geoffry Giraffe: Yeah fucking UBISoft and third parties [20:07] Daisy: man, my 3rd party HATORADE levels are rising. this e3 will be AWESOME, just for the potential to crush dreams [20:07] Geoffry Giraffe: But it could be a big hit if the change it's name to just "Red Steel" and forget the first game ever existed [20:07] Geoffry Giraffe: Oh yeah that's right, spit userbase with Motion Plus [20:07] Geoffry Giraffe: Never mind [20:07] Daisy: this trailer insults me [20:08] Geoffry Giraffe: Another third party failure on the fire [20:08] Daisy: if it was a CG teaser, i'd be fine, but they go thru the motions of hiring an actor to pretend there's gameplay [20:08] Geoffry Giraffe: And FF:CC Wii looks like **** too [20:08] Bill: you guys are all fags, i have better things to do in a bad mood [20:08] Daisy: FFCC is ok, it's basically PsiOps 2 [20:08] *** Akai-chan has left the conversation. [20:09] Daisy: LOL HE WAS IN A BAD MOOD? [20:09] Geoffry Giraffe: LOL [20:09] Daisy: WHY [20:09] Daisy: I THOUGHT HE LIKED THE TRAILER [20:09] Daisy: AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA [20:09] Geoffry Giraffe: Plan worked [20:09] Daisy: minus one nintard
on a positive note http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 04, 2009, 11:39:46 PM
Bill was the most rational one. At least he wasn't jumping on the now ridiculous hate 3rd party train.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 04, 2009, 11:43:02 PM
damn right Bill was important! Don't forget it! He was a special poster right from the beginning. Knew his stuff and was one of the people who introduced the WEIRDNESS into the forums. Otherwise these forums would probably be much more dull. What isn't understood well is that the forum is rather stable in the pantheon of video game forums. Our mind share has an effect on the rest of gaming. I can understand why he would be pissed off at negativity. It just drags the whole community down. I'm upset at Japanese developers for running the industry and not being creative enough. From my experience from the n64 years until now, we could be much further along in quality of games. It just seems that games have had these ridiculous fads since the last generation. There are so many good ideas that are not implemented because developers play it safe.
Stop being so negative.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Nick DiMola on May 05, 2009, 07:13:27 AM
on a positive note http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA
Wooo I love the Slap Rap.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: MysticGohan on June 02, 2009, 01:07:13 AM
I wuv <3 Bill, but man this is sad. I love everyone here, and I've been around since PGC started rawr! But what's up with Mario? never known him to be juvenile.
I hope Bill decides to comeback, I miss him :(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 02, 2009, 01:11:26 AM
I think we all miss him.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 02, 2009, 03:52:46 AM
I wuv <3 Bill, but man this is sad. I love everyone here, and I've been around since PGC started rawr! But what's up with Mario? never known him to be juvenile.
I hope Bill decides to comeback, I miss him :(
You don't love me. :(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ThePerm on June 02, 2009, 04:05:38 AM
golden phoenix gave me a copy of mario bros 3, you are loved!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on June 02, 2009, 04:36:50 PM
GP hasn't shown any hate towards me, i love her for it!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 02, 2009, 06:58:01 PM
I miss Bill not giving his input on E3. :(
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 02, 2009, 07:16:23 PM
I wuv <3 Bill, but man this is sad. I love everyone here, and I've been around since PGC started rawr! But what's up with Mario? never known him to be juvenile.
I hope Bill decides to comeback, I miss him :(
You don't love me. :(
I love ya GP ;)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: MysticGohan on June 03, 2009, 03:49:57 AM
I joined only a year after you. But I guess that's still too late for you to love me... :(
It's never too late ;)
But it is too soon. Let's take it slow.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Caterkiller on June 07, 2009, 05:40:28 PM
Man you guys are going to hate me, but I didn't even realize Bill had gone! Every time I read a post of his I always imagined Bill from Pokemon saying it. And Mario was banned!? I always so this thread but never realized it. I just assumed someone hated the Wii. Never looked at the topic starter.
And Mario, he was the only one of you goons who could top my Banana Kingdom jungle beat score. Maybe one more of you as well.
I just kinda thought they stoped posting and never let anyone know why. Man am I out of the loop.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Dasmos on June 08, 2009, 01:15:57 AM
Oh wait, maybe not Bill...ummm... Mario. I owe Mario money.
I think Kairon should leave next so we can have another mega thread with people who haven't posted for a long time.
Who said the thread was done?
Edit: Yeah, I've just been busy and had nothing real to say about things.
As far as Bill goes, I say good riddance. A forum isn't about one member, it isn't about one particular incident, or anything like that. If you don't like what a forum is, how it functions, or anything similar, by all means, please feel free to leave. Mario broke the rules, and was warned. I'm all for pushing and testing the limits with purpose, even if fun is the only purpose, but a warning means you went over the line, and you're being allowed a second chance (often dozens of chances, here especially.) If Bill wants to leave, it's not because Mario was banned, it's because he no longer truly fits in here. The posts I remember most from Bill during my mainstay on the forum truthfully were of little impact or importance. Yes, I'll admit when I lurked and lurked he was more interesting, but things grew increasingly shallow, limited to one-liners, and an anime screenshot, or in the case of the Brawl thread, he posted the news and some wacky words. All-in-all, from what I recall, he was a legacy poster who was more of a monument and less of institution of this forum.
As far as Ian goes, well, I've always supported Ian's voice. In my experience, he doesn't post unless he has something to add to the discussion, and his observations can be insightful, and often, accurate. I don't think there are many people entirely happy with Nintendo right now, but I must follow that up by saying that Nintendo could not exist in any other way than it does now. Had decisions turned in other directions, we might not have Brawl, Mario Kart, Galaxy, Metroids, or Zeldas like we expect, had the Wii not had Wii Sports, Brain Age, and the lesser discussed "casual" games. Ian points out the Nintendo he wants, and I can't fault him for that, because I know I want a few things he does from Nintendo, as well.
When it comes to growth of a forum, well, the truth is, a major portion of the population and forum is attributed to the main site. When it is thriving, the forums thrive, when it is dying, the forums die. Why am I here? Well, the truth of the matter is that I was hungry for E3 information. I've been getting Nintendo news elsewhere, but few places really covered the event well or quickly, so I checked NWR. I was surprised and delighted to see several personalized, fact-based, but opinionated previews and impressions of the events. I figured while I was in, I'd make a note to stop by the forums, and BAM! I found this thread.
My point? The forum is connected to the front page of the site, whether the new or old forum-goers would ever accept that, I don't know. If you want increased forum activity, you should strive to reach an audience on the front page that you'd like to have post in the forums. The best way to do that is to have quality news and opinions often and fast, quite like what I saw during E3, and quite like what PGC was like back when I lurked. If coverage continues similar, or even better than what occurred during E3, that's good news for the forums.
Hopefully that's a little bit of key insight that helps people see my perspective, at least.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 09, 2009, 03:26:59 AM
OMG thatguy is back! It has been months since I last saw you.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Mop it up on June 09, 2009, 06:49:41 PM
I don't care what you say thatguy, Bill was a great part of this forum. Maybe if you take his posts at face value he might not seem like much, but he was a hugely positive influence for this forum and this thread proves the impact he had.
I used to root for Ian Sane too. But then he said that Mario's voice detracts from Mario games. And now he is dead to me.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on June 14, 2009, 03:38:09 AM
Thanks Thatguy, I'm glad you enjoyed the E3 coverage. Everybody worked really hard on it, and we had a huge crew there like we used to have back in the day. We'll try to keep it up as best we can! We've made some key staff additions in the past six months, and the exisiting staff has really stepped up to take the site in the right direction.
Mario got himself banned. We (mods) don't have any grudges against anybody in these forums, and we certainly don't want anybody to leave.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 25, 2011, 12:03:16 AM
JUST.. JUST SCREW YOU. I JUST READ ALL THE WAY THROUGH SHIFTY'S GOODBYE THREAD. PEOPLE WERE CRYING INTO THEIR KEYBOARDS. PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T EVEN SIGN UP UNTIL AFTER HE WAS GONE. AND WHAT FOR?
AT LEAST SHIFTY GAVE A PROPER GOODBYE. WHAT'VE YOU DONE? WALKED INTO THE SUNSET OF A DYING WEBSITE (CLUB NINTENDO) AND CRASHED INTO THE FAKE MOVIE SET MURAL OF A SUNSET. THAT'S WHAT YOUR WHOLE CAREER HAS BEEN.
MAYBE YOU WERE YOUNG AND NAIVE TO DROP A MORPH BALL BOMB ON THE E3 THREAD, BUT NOT ANY MORE. YOU WEREN'T PERMA-BANNED. IT'S NOT LIKE ADAM MALOKOCVIHICH (WTF KIND OF NAME IS THAT FOR A GALACTIC FEDERATION COLONEL?) IS ARBITRARILY PREVENTING YOU FROM LOGGING ONTO NWR.
MAN UP, DIRT BAG, AND GIVE A PROPER SEND-OFF. AT LEAST GIVE THOSE KIDS AN ANIME SCREENCAP THAT WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR ETERNITY.
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on January 25, 2011, 12:34:44 AM
What drunken drivel is this
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 25, 2011, 02:57:49 AM
Wow its been 2 years since Bill left. I still miss him. Seems like hardly anything has changed since then aside from the staff being as they were.The staff has improved since then.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: EasyCure on January 26, 2011, 11:23:12 AM
Not true, Bills email acct as been phished since then.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 28, 2011, 05:33:58 AM
Really I guess that could explain that email I got a week back.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: manunited4eva22 on February 01, 2011, 08:12:37 PM
It's comments like this that make me feel reaaallll old that I can explain not only what Bill was complaining about, but that this was a cyclical problem.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on February 01, 2011, 09:07:41 PM
It was referring to the post above.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2011, 10:56:31 PM
It's comments like this that make me feel reaaallll old that I can explain not only what Bill was complaining about, but that this was a cyclical problem.
I never bothered to read it, but can you go ahead and summarize it for me?
I'm more interested in what the cyclical part of the problem is moreso than why Bill felt the need to "leave*".
*I've felt the need to leave many times, and did for a while once, but then I got over it.... or forgot what the reason was.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 19, 2015, 12:29:01 PM
Wow I never knew this is why he left. I think we got into arguments but I generally liked Bill. I didn't care for Mario much I remember he was pretty rude to me as was Hostile Creation. But I do miss Golden Phoenix. This was kind of a long, and somewhat sad, thread to read.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ObbyDent on March 19, 2015, 12:57:24 PM
I actually find it sad that I don't recognize most of the people in this thread. At this point, it really is like the same 10-15 posting these days. If, that.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Evan_B on March 19, 2015, 01:20:34 PM
Well, I'm proud to be one of the only 10-15 people that posts regularly here. Maybe I need to grab myself an internet persona like this Bill fellow. Just, you know... one that's a little less creepy.
But yeah, it is strange to see how much a forum changes in six years. It's great to see Ian has always stayed the same though.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Khushrenada on March 19, 2015, 01:30:20 PM
I aspire to one day be a good enough poster that people would care if I left.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Huff... huff.. hold... gasp....hold on. Just.... huff.... give me a sec..... whew.... to catch my breath.
I aspire to one day be a good enough poster that people would care if I left.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Kinda went in the opposite direction there, didn't ya chief?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Plugabugz on March 19, 2015, 02:17:44 PM
Well done Khush. He was trolling himself into this internet fuelled oblivion from almost six years ago.
Bravo.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on March 19, 2015, 02:36:10 PM
I heart this whole thread. I also enjoy visiting Pietriots now and then, the apparent break-off site for Bill and co., but they're not near active enough anymore. Hilarious guys, though, it seems. Wish thjey's come back in all their trolling glory.
Khush, nice one. ;D
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 19, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
I especially liked the under handed reference to my failed attempt at creating an anti-forum for this place. Wow that was such a joke. I read a lot of comments of people who said they lurked for a long time before posting, I was one of those. I read through the entire Hi I am new thread before making my first post. No way I could attempt that today.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 20, 2015, 07:52:11 PM
Where the hell was I when all of this guff happened? Was I really away from here that long? I need to look at some of my old post as well, this tread intrigues the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Caterkiller on March 20, 2015, 11:54:27 PM
The events of this thread seem like a life time ago. I didn't have no kids then!
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: lolmonade on March 21, 2015, 01:19:40 AM
I remember seeing Maxi's "I'm leaving the forum" thread, and being disappointed that what I saw as one of the nicest people in the forums felt like they couldn't be a part of the community anymore because of how mean spirited it had gotten.
That wasn't that long ago, and I'm not some forum veteran, but I have seen some forumer turnover in my time here, and the community definitely seems different. Maybe i have a tinted view, but it definitely felt like there was more of a community when I started posting than now. That, or maybe the same community has always been here, and I'm a square peg In a round hole, so to speak.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 21, 2015, 01:26:40 AM
Not to derail this conversation too much, but I think by the end of his tenure here Maxi was pretty damned unreasonable regarding his demand for positivity. Things can definitely get pretty down at times, but he wanted it to go way too far in the other direction.
Looking back, though, there are always people complaining on both ends of it. People deriding all the piling on, while others complain about fanboyism.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: lolmonade on March 21, 2015, 06:58:03 AM
Not to derail this conversation too much, but I think by the end of his tenure here Maxi was pretty damned unreasonable regarding his demand for positivity. Things can definitely get pretty down at times, but he wanted it to go way too far in the other direction.
Looking back, though, there are always people complaining on both ends of it. People deriding all the piling on, while others complain about fanboyism.
Fair enough. I didn't have a historied experience with Maxi, so I'll take your word for it. Not trying to take up a cause either way, just a passing observation.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: UncleBob on March 21, 2015, 09:42:46 AM
The funny thing is, one alternate forum where a few folks went to has three threads that are the most active threads on the forum. One focused on the industry in general - it's 50+ pages long and generally focuses on negative things with the occasional positives thrown in. There's another 50+ page thread about the "pathetic" gaming media, where various sites get slammed for various reasons (sometimes deserved, sometimes... meh.). Then, there's a thread that's a whopping 20+ pages that is supposed to point out good articles, but generally ends up getting compared to the bad articles, with more negative talk about the bad ones.
Can things get negative around here? Sure. But don't leave in a tizzy because it's too negative, then go to another forum that's virtually more negative than this. If you're going to make a big, dramatic exit, then going someplace where the things you complained about here are even worse... well, it takes away all the sting of your leaving.
I don't like it when anyone* makes a decision to leave the forums - I think we have a great community, even when someone posts something I don't agree with. But, if you are unhappy here, then you should find an on-line community where you are happy - and I sincerely hope that anyone who has left our forums for any reason has found a community where they are happy.
*with one exception
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: NWR_Neal on March 21, 2015, 10:32:00 AM
Just gonna say I love you all even if you disagree with me over Skyward Sword, Kirby's Epic Yarn or something
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: UncleBob on March 21, 2015, 10:42:29 AM
To append to Neal's comment - I think the fact that we (as a forum) don't agree on everything says we're doing something right. I'd rather be a part of a small but active forum where folks have an exchange of ideas than be a part of a forum where everyone agrees on everything so there's no actual discussion - instead, someone posts a link or a thought, there's ten or so "Yeah!" replies and that's it.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Khushrenada on March 21, 2015, 04:44:52 PM
Why are we still going on about Bill's rant 6 years later? The forums have changed. People have moved on. Even Bill has popped back on these forums for a brief moment here and there since. The drama is over. At least it should be.
Warning. So then I end up making a long post about these forums. Ha ha ha, The forum rants never end.
I'll admit, that the only time it started to get to me was 2013 when Wii U sales stopped after launch and then 3rd parties started pulling support right away. The console discussion was just one thread after another on some variation of all the negative press and news and focus on the Wii U. At the same time, it's hard to make positive thoughts on negative news but it just seemed to end up being the same tired discussion and arguments over and over. Fortunately, that seems to have become far less frequent and frankly, the forums lately have seemed to be more positive (with the usual exceptions) and more active as well. It seems like a lot of previous posters have popped in for a moment here and there to say hi or check up on things and there just seems to be a better community spirit going on right now or at least more tolerance for people. Part of me wonders if whether a lot of the posters who have left over negativity were to come back right now, to add their comments and make threads they'd like to talk about, would find that this place is not as bad as they made it out in their minds to be at the time they left.
10 years later, this is still my go-to site for Nintendo news and information and is the only community I'm really active in. I'll visit other sites here or there and check up on them maybe every month or so like PixlBit, Pietriots, OperationRainfall, etc but despite looking through other forums and communities, I still like the controlled chaos here, the way the news is handled, the level of discussion and the more intimate nature of things here. There are a lot of regulars here so there's always some kind of topic or discussion happening but it's not an overwhelming amount of people so it is easy to get to know a lot of the posters and build up a rapport with them and most people here are pretty reasonable and intelligent so I'm happy to engage with them in discussion.
Are there ways we can be better? Sure. But that is true with every site. Moreover, there is no universal solution. There is nothing that is going to appeal to 100% of people. It's like food. There is a wide variety of things a person can eat yet even the most consumed foods can have people who dislike them. Bananas are number 4 on the list of most consumed foods in the world behind rice, wheat and corn. And yet, there is someone at my work who dislikes bananas and will not eat them. So, no matter the mass amount appeal of a product, you'll have people who dislike it.
Therefore, you can not appeal to every individual and you just can't take it personally if some people dislike what you offer. That's not to say one shouldn't listen to the points a person makes in disagreement. There may be some truth and useful wisdom to gain from them. But at the end of the day, you can't turn a banana into a grapefruit. Maybe you can make the banana more appealing by turning it into a chocolate covered banana or Banana's Foster instead of just serving a plain banana. Even then, you'll get people who don't like chocolate (weirdos) or ice cream or cinnamon. Thus, it is up to the individual to decide whether they will accept what a thing is or if they will not. Maybe you'd like Apple Crumble but you're getting Banana's Foster here. Can you accept that or not? Either answer is ok but, in the end, you have to accept that maybe you are the only one here who really prefers Apple Crumble. Or maybe others would like it but they are content enough to stick to the bananas they've got so they aren't going to demand Apple Crumble with you. At the same time, if you feel this forum is only offering plain bananas and want to make it more appealing like Banana's Foster then go about trying to create it. That's what I've been trying to make more of an effort to do.
Going back to 2013 and how much the console discussion forum was getting to me and how the Funhouse seemed to be lackluster, I could either just keep letting it get to me and maybe leave or I could do something about it to try and change things. Not by adding to the negative spirit by just complaining about how things should be changed but by trying to bring back some of the community spirit and random laughs and fun that there seemed to be in the late GameCube and early Wii years. So, I started trying to get more Mafia games going again. I've thrown out random joke threads in the funhouse. I've tried to get other games going like Password and now Safe Words.
I thought about how Bill would often post anime screenshots and other posters would throw up some funny images also in threads and other discussions which made the other forums a fun place to be. It would give me a smile or laugh while reading through threads. I decided I should try doing that more myself. Why leave it on a few other posters only do it? I can contribute to that spirit as well. I try and look now for more threads where I can post something fun instead of just sticking to a couple forums or reading a few threads. If the discussion seems to be negative and serious, I try to see if I can't cause a bit of a release from the negativity while still being positive. Like Oblivion/ObbyDent's thread, where he said, after this gen he was jumping ship. I know that if I buy another console in the next gen, it would be Nintendo's no matter what the competition has. Rather than just say that, I thought I'd illustrate in a silly pic. It is in this way that I am trying to create positive change throughout the forums.
That doesn't mean I still can't have a serious discussion on things or that I'm going to make a joke about everything. One can still do both. However, I have found that by doing this and looking for ways to make myself and others laugh and try to make things more positive, I've found myself enjoying spending time on these forums more than I have in probably the last 5 years. I don't worry about the negativity because I'm creating positivity. Yet, I know that such postings will not appeal to everyone and I'll get a complaint about them here and there. Like I said, some people don't like ice cream. They'd rather have a plain banana. It's individuality. Likewise, I'll still clash with someone and post an argument if I disagree with them at times.
Yet, I recognize everyone has their own way of thinking and it is pretty hard to change a person's mind or for them to change the way they think. So, I'm probably not going to do that from a few forum disagreements here or there. Still, that is the nature of a forum. To hear, discuss and get viewpoints from many different people and backgrounds. At the end of the day, you can still learn something from anyone provided you are willing to accept that you can and look for it. As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. When you are only convinced that you are right or that only your opinion matters, then you are not going to get along with other people on these or any other forums, you are probably not going to have a good time here and you are just not going to grow as a person.
Recently, I've been going over M*A*S*H quotes while playing in the current mafia game. I came across this gem from Frank Burns:
That's like saying we can all be ourselves but only it we are positive about everything Nintendo here. Or as long as no one does things we dislike. I think we can all agree that is a wrong viewpoint in life. Yet, at the same time, an individual doesn't have to impose their will and views or thoughts on everything. If you go to a classroom in which there is no assigned seating so you can sit anywhere and you notice over time that one person has a certain seat that they keep sitting in every time you attend that classroom, must you then go to that class and start sitting in that spot over a period of time also? There's no assigned seating and there is no rule against sitting there. As a member of the class, you are within your rights to sit there. Yet, what does that accomplish? Why is it so necessary to assert your rights as individual and cause friction and animosity where it didn't exist before and didn't need to exist? I'm sure I could think of a better example later but I think my point is still made with it. It's the fine line every poster in this forum, and I think any other forum, must walk. The balance of allowing individuality and freedom of expression yet maybe not always needing to use that right to the fullest extent we can. It is a balance we may not always be successful at doing. However I think if that was the rule everyone went by in this forum, it would help quell a lot of the "forum drama" that can occur.
To wrap up, I'm like Gandhi and being the change I want to see in the world forum. You don't have to agree with everything but you also don't have to disagree with everything either just because you can. What you put in is what you get out. These forums are bananas. Khushrenada writes long posts. And I'm hungry.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 22, 2015, 09:30:15 AM
While I, mostly, agree with what all you just said, I didn't bump this for no reason. Someone linked to it in a current thread so I read through it and wanted to comment on the way things were.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on March 29, 2016, 12:36:17 AM
He's been gone as long as Link was in the Chamber of Sages.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Khushrenada on March 29, 2016, 01:12:08 AM
So, he's finally a man now....?
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on March 29, 2016, 01:40:59 AM
He probably has some surprises... down in southern Hyrule if you know what I mean.
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Post by: JaraAagard on May 31, 2016, 03:23:00 AM
Please dont leave Bill. :(
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Post by: JaraAagard on May 31, 2016, 03:23:55 AM
He's going back right?
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Post by: RABicle on June 04, 2016, 06:14:30 AM
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on January 24, 2017, 01:06:52 AM
It's the eve of Bill's goodbye. 8 years tomorrow.
Last Active: October 30, 2012, 03:38:46 PM
Forever Active: in our hearts
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Phil on March 11, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
Sorry for the bump, but I can only imagine the OP's anger if the user was here during the extremely tumultuous Wii U era! We had users here and more prominently on other sites getting waaaaay too emotionally invested! You should have seen me during the start of the Wii era when my site started. Way too much emotion instead of calm, rational thinking. :X It's embarrassing looking in the past at early SPC posts sometimes.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: ThePerm on March 11, 2017, 08:00:25 PM
It's crazy to think that was 8 years ago. I still have ideas of doing a documentary about the forums of NWR. NOTHING i've ever done on the internet has lasted this long. Which, is creepy. It makes me like "what if it randomly ends tomorrow??!!"
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on March 14, 2017, 06:15:46 PM
I'd watch that. You should do it
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 14, 2017, 08:00:10 PM
you're guaranteed at least 1 view. I think that's worth the effort. ;)
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Post by: Stratos on March 15, 2017, 12:22:17 AM
Should interview us all for our takes of infamous situations.
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Khushrenada on March 15, 2017, 01:21:59 AM
Narrator: Although there aren't as many members still around from that time, there are still a few who remain who remember those troubled days when Steven Rodriguez usurped Jonathan Metts as Site Director in a coup-d'état such as long time rejected staff applicant Khushrenada who was willing to tell his story in exchange for a large sum of money.
Khushrenada: Well, when it all went down, the first thing I did was that I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” you'd say.
Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
The End
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on March 15, 2017, 01:46:45 AM
DVD extras: 96 hours of Khushrenada book on tape going on and on about nothing.
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Post by: Khushrenada on March 15, 2017, 02:07:56 AM
I didn't own a cell phone up to that point and I had been looking at getting an iPod so it made sense to blend the two together. So, yes, it was mainly used as an iPod which I could text with and phone with. At the time, the idea of apps and all these things you could do on your phone like play movies and TV shows was very big. People were excited about stuff like Shazam and all that. That had an appeal to me as well when purchasing it but, after getting a few apps, my interest waned in that. There was just so many and it was like the 3rd party wall of shame Pro would post on here with so much junk obscuring the good plus the app shop seemed to be a mess to navigate that I just stopped bothering after a time. Plus, it just seemed I could use Safari to look up something up rather than bother with some app. Never bought any games for it because compared to what I could play on my DS, they just seemed inferior. I suppose when Super Mario Run gets released, that will be the first cell phone game I get. I'm curious to see what Nintendo does with the Mobile world of gaming yet I'm still kind of unsure if it will really be worth playing. I just don't have a high opinion of mobile games.
Don't use social media. I'm not on FaceBook or Twitter or Instagram or whatever else social media most likely consists of. Other things I will use my phone for though is the weather app. Use the calculator here and there when I need it. Taking a picture or a video here and there. I use the notes section for reminders of things I need to get done or as a shopping list when buying groceries. Used the map app for awhile but it just became faster and easier to use Safari and Google and look up addresses that way. Again, just having the internet and setting up multiple pages to stay on certain websites took the place of apps.
(Even then, I'm not a big internet user. A few years back, I moved to a new place but I didn't get the internet hooked up right away. Part of me wondered if I even needed it. I don't do a lot of internet surfing so I questioned why I was even paying for it when I could just look some stuff up on my phone (or at work ;) ) I went 3 full months without before finally calling a company a getting it hooked. What I found is that with my Wii U, 3DS, and phone, they need the internet or an internet connection to keep updated. Plus, having an iPhone 3 probably wasn't the greatest thing for internet surfing. However, once I got the internet, I decided to make some better use out of it by letting it fill my TV needs and no longer subscribe to internet and cable. I still don't like how much the internet costs though. With tax, its $84.00 a month and I think my internet company has been slowly raising the cost over the past year so that is it at least $6.00 more than I was paying. I should look it up and double check one of these days. Since I'm not on a contract with them, I can always quit and take a cheaper offer somewhere else I suppose or maybe I should just downgrade my plan. I hardly ever come close to using the amount of data I'm allowed each month.)
Now where was I? Oh, yes! Phone usage. Yeah, aside from taking the occasional picture, texting/ checking the weather, using the alarm app (since my alarm clock died over a year ago), writing some notes to myself........ (and on and on and on)
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: King of Twitch on January 27, 2018, 12:00:41 AM
It was 9 years on Wednesday, at 6:32pm Eastern. Perhaps he was just pouring himself a spot of tea as he contemplated this forum post in the evening reality of a darkening winter sky. Maybe he was packing up his suitcase for a trip at the same time that he decided it was time for a different kind of sendoff. Or, it seems likely, that his love for us had grown cold and there was no way to rekindle the passion; best for old Bill to move on to better things. Well, there weren't, and there aren't. We were, and are, the best thing to ever happen to him, whether he ever realizes it or not. 9 winters later, the snow has yet to melt on our still-beating hearts.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 27, 2018, 12:05:01 AM
Has it really been nine years? Goddamn.
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Post by: King of Twitch on January 22, 2019, 01:33:16 PM
It'll be 10 this Thursday. Is this the longest running goodbye thread on the internet? It's like a different world now.
Everyone hop in here for old times' sake and keep the love alive. :reggie:
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Khushrenada on January 22, 2019, 02:42:01 PM
You know Bill popped in on the NWR Discord a few months back. He's made a couple rare appearances there since. Deguello has as well. The whole Game Over thing no longer really exists anymore aside from the fact that he's just too busy in life to post and hang out here like he could over a decade ago. I think that has been happening to most everyone on this forum as time marches along.
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 22, 2019, 02:54:22 PM
Time keeps on slippin slippin slippin... Into the future
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2019, 03:30:40 PM
Lets' see is someone can get him to post in here for the #10yearchallenge LOL
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Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2019, 05:23:21 PM
And I think it's gonna be a long, long time
'Til touchdown brings me 'round again to find. . .
Title: Re: Game Over: One final rant...
Post by: Khushrenada on January 24, 2019, 10:23:42 PM
Jump in this thread? I should just lock it at this point.
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Post by: pokepal148 on January 24, 2019, 10:42:19 PM
Come back bill. We need you. Mostly so this thread can finally die out.
