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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1325 on: September 14, 2010, 01:26:43 AM »
As I said before, I don't know how much of that is bad localization and/or metaphor.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1326 on: September 14, 2010, 04:31:40 AM »
Are there any other major groups in the galaxy besides the Galactic Federation and the Space Pirates? Maybe the Federation could get in a war with some third party and Samus would be forced to pick sides.

Ever since I found out that the G-Diffuser is the engineering marvel that powers the vehicles in F-Zero, Star Fox, and Metroid, I've always had the fanciful idea that all of Nintendo's sci-fi series exists in the same universe and galaxy. I don't know what a crossover would accomplish; I just fancy the thought.


But anyway, isn't Samus half Chozo or something? Therefore, there are Chozo in each and every game she appears in, simply because she herself is Chozo, at least in part.
IIRC, Samus received an infusion of Chozo blood which is what makes her superhuman even without the power suit. I don't know if that counts as being half-Chozo. As mentioned on the podcast, I would really welcome a game of Samus' Chozo training on Zebes before the Space Pirates came and smashed (one of?) the last living Chozo settlement and set up shop.

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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1327 on: September 14, 2010, 09:49:28 AM »
But anyway, isn't Samus half Chozo or something? Therefore, there are Chozo in each and every game she appears in, simply because she herself is Chozo, at least in part.

She's had Chozo and Metroid DNA infused into her, but I think technically she is still considered fully human.
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« Reply #1328 on: September 14, 2010, 10:22:00 AM »
Wasn't that Chozo DNA stuff just added in Other M or something? She was fully human in the other games, minus Fusion which recently infected her with Metroid cells. I don't recall her ever having super-human abilities outside of the suit.

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« Reply #1329 on: September 14, 2010, 10:53:32 AM »
No, it was added years ago (albeit only in the official Metroid manga and the comics).
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1330 on: September 14, 2010, 04:28:39 PM »
Isn't Samus 6'3"?
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1331 on: September 14, 2010, 04:46:40 PM »
Isn't Samus 6'3"?
I had wondered the same thing.  It seems like a lot of the old material Nintendo published on Samus back in the day indicated she was well above average in size.   I thought she looked fairly small in the Other M cinematics.

So, maybe everyone in the Metroid universe is unusually tall?  :)
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1332 on: September 14, 2010, 04:57:25 PM »
The Nintendo Power Metroid comics are probably not canon, honestly. I mean, the old Super Mario World comics aren't canon, and neither was the Link to the Past comic (which was excellent). Even the manga has some questionable things in there.

Personally, I think the official canon starts with Zero Mission and ends with Metroid Fusion. How the Prime games fit in will always be a matter of debate, although since Other M borrows the Seeker Missiles from them, I'd suggest they are canonical.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1333 on: September 14, 2010, 05:03:02 PM »
There was never any indication the Prime games aren't canon (even Sakurai doesn't flat out say they aren't, although his opinion wouldn't matter anyways).
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1334 on: September 14, 2010, 05:25:26 PM »
Well, sure.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1335 on: September 14, 2010, 05:42:39 PM »
There was never any indication the Prime games aren't canon (even Sakurai doesn't flat out say they aren't, although his opinion wouldn't matter anyways).

You mean Sakamoto, not Sakurai.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1336 on: September 14, 2010, 05:49:21 PM »
Whoops, you are right about it being Sakamoto.

Metroid timeline is easier than Zelda's because it is all one person. There is only one Samus, it's not like the Zelda series where Link and Zelda just keep being reincarnated.
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« Reply #1337 on: September 14, 2010, 05:56:11 PM »
Metroid probably is the only long-lasting series that could possibly still be sorted into any canon.  With Mario, it really doesn't matter.   Aonuma changes the story on Zelda depending when you ask him (dual timeline, solid timeline, etc.), and Miyamoto just tells you not to think about it too much.   At this point, I think it's sort of impossible to make all the Zelda games fit together; it's almost like a collection of Norse mythology in a sense.  The character archetypes remain the same throughout each individual tale, but there are distinct discrepancies and disconnects.   It's very difficult to make all the stories fit together into a clean, cohesive story.

I don't know how much TPTB at Nintendo care about story canon in general; for the most part, they just want to make sure that most of their characters have their image intact.   While they probably don't care exactly how well the Prime games fit into the Metroid universe, I would think they would frown upon it if Sakamoto actively dismissed the series out of hand.

Even though things like the Nintendo comics aren't canon, it is interesting to see how much interpretations of Samus Aran have changed over the last 15 years or so.   I remember even reading the Valiant Captian N comics (I know! They weren't very good!) way back when, and she was pictured as being very tall, physically intimidating, and somewhat motivated by money...she still had a sense of honor, though.    It's certainly not cannon, but that and the NP comic probably shaped my perception of her during the time of Super Metroid.  My perception of her is certainly different now.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1338 on: September 14, 2010, 06:02:39 PM »
I smell a spinoff game starring Adam Malkovitch in Sector Zero.

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« Reply #1339 on: September 14, 2010, 06:13:26 PM »
Destructoid's posted an interesting editorial (be warned: spoilers) on the failings of Other M's story.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1340 on: September 14, 2010, 06:14:06 PM »
Isn't Samus 6'3"?
I had wondered the same thing.  It seems like a lot of the old material Nintendo published on Samus back in the day indicated she was well above average in size.   I thought she looked fairly small in the Other M cinematics.

So, maybe everyone in the Metroid universe is unusually tall?  :)

To be fair, the ones she stands next to in the game are Space Marines, and they are likely much taller than the average citizen in the Galactic Federation. Real life marines in our world have to meet high physical ability standards that normal people just can't meet, so I'm sure in the future that's probably true with Space Marines as well.

Still... I think Other M did bring her height down from 6'3" that she was originally, and I'm not happy about that. I liked having Samus being a powerful Amazon warrior that you could both respect and fear, but Other M has her behaving emotionally and even running and screaming at one point (or so I've heard... haven't seen that yet though). So in Other M she's more or less just a typical female with her only advantage being her weaponry and her suit. That's one thing about Other M I absolutely hate. I liked the old Samus better. The old Samus could beat any man at arm wrestling, but this one... I just don't know.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1341 on: September 14, 2010, 06:17:12 PM »
Isn't Samus 6'3"?
I had wondered the same thing.  It seems like a lot of the old material Nintendo published on Samus back in the day indicated she was well above average in size.   I thought she looked fairly small in the Other M cinematics.

So, maybe everyone in the Metroid universe is unusually tall?  :)

To be fair, the ones she stands next to in the game are Space Marines, and they are likely much taller than the average citizen in the Galactic Federation. Real life marines in our world have to meet high physical ability standards that normal people just can't meet, so I'm sure in the future that's probably true with Space Marines as well.

Still... I think Other M did bring her height down from 6'3" that she was originally, and I'm not happy about that. I liked having Samus being a powerful Amazon warrior that you could both respect and fear, but Other M has her behaving emotionally and even running and screaming at one point (or so I've heard... haven't seen that yet though). So in Other M she's more or less just a typical female with her only advantage being her weaponry and her suit. That's one thing about Other M I absolutely hate. I liked the old Samus better. The old Samus could beat any man at arm wrestling, but this one... I just don't know.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1342 on: September 14, 2010, 06:24:35 PM »
Speaking of her height, has anyone else ever thought it strange how she is able to curl up into a basketball? She really must have alien DNA if her suit can do that to her without crushing her internal organs and bones. That would kill an ordinary person for sure.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1343 on: September 14, 2010, 06:36:01 PM »
The Destructoid review was pretty harsh, but this discussion of the game's plotline failings is pretty good:
 
http://www.destructoid.com/metroid-other-m-s-story-fails-on-so-many-levels-183310.phtml&mainnav=&track=featurebox
 
An excellent point is made: you can't say it wasn't bad for trying something different. It can still be badly done, as it was here.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1344 on: September 14, 2010, 06:42:07 PM »
The Destructoid review was pretty harsh, but this discussion of the game's plotline failings is pretty good:
 
http://www.destructoid.com/metroid-other-m-s-story-fails-on-so-many-levels-183310.phtml&mainnav=&track=featurebox
 
An excellent point is made: you can't say it wasn't bad for trying something different. It can still be badly done, as it was here.

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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1345 on: September 14, 2010, 06:42:21 PM »
Ever since I found out that the G-Diffuser is the engineering marvel that powers the vehicles in F-Zero, Star Fox, and Metroid, I've always had the fanciful idea that all of Nintendo's sci-fi series exists in the same universe and galaxy. I don't know what a crossover would accomplish; I just fancy the thought.

It'd be awesome if they stuck little references to that in each series. Something along the lines of Industrial Light & Magic putting the Millenium Falcon in the battle against the Borg in Star Trek: First Contact.
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1346 on: September 14, 2010, 06:59:28 PM »
The Federation ship in Other M is called the VIXIV, which is the name of the tank in X (both had Sakamoto involvement).
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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1347 on: September 14, 2010, 07:12:07 PM »
The Destructoid review was pretty harsh, but this discussion of the game's plotline failings is pretty good:
 
http://www.destructoid.com/metroid-other-m-s-story-fails-on-so-many-levels-183310.phtml&mainnav=&track=featurebox
 
An excellent point is made: you can't say it wasn't bad for trying something different. It can still be badly done, as it was here.

AHEM! Beat you to it.   ;)

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Re: Metroid Other M
« Reply #1348 on: September 14, 2010, 07:31:43 PM »
Wasn't that Chozo DNA stuff just added in Other M or something? She was fully human in the other games, minus Fusion which recently infected her with Metroid cells. I don't recall her ever having super-human abilities outside of the suit.

I think first she was infused with Chozo "blood", when dna became popular in sci-fi it was changed.
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« Reply #1349 on: September 14, 2010, 08:37:26 PM »
Isn't Samus 6'3"?
I had wondered the same thing.  It seems like a lot of the old material Nintendo published on Samus back in the day indicated she was well above average in size.   I thought she looked fairly small in the Other M cinematics.

So, maybe everyone in the Metroid universe is unusually tall?  :)
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