Post by: nemo_83 on April 29, 2006, 06:55:57 PM
"And the Nintendoods, bless their zealous little souls, have Twistered their minds through the spaghetti logic necessary to explain why the name, in fact, rocks. Left lobe red, right lobe yellow, hey presto -- Wii is genius!"
Post by: Ceric on April 29, 2006, 07:02:28 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
the internet is melting
"... bless their zealous little souls, ..."
You do know what that means in the south?
Their so Stupid.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 29, 2006, 07:02:29 PM
(He does make some good points, though, from what I read from skimming)
Post by: mantidor on April 29, 2006, 07:03:10 PM
Post by: IceCold on April 29, 2006, 07:21:39 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on April 29, 2006, 07:49:46 PM
I have been talking about the Wii quite a bit today. And the only people who really seem to have a hard time with it are the hard core gamers. The people who play games every now and then, as well as the people who don't, just really don't care. I keep hearing "it sounds like an herbal tea" and just about no pee jokes. Im pretty cool with the name now, I was only slightly annoyed from the get go, but now I just think "who cares?"
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 29, 2006, 08:59:23 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on April 30, 2006, 12:48:21 AM
1up is pointing out that they feel sorry for the fans trying to rationalize that the name is not only not negative but genius.
What it all means is the average gamer may not pick up Nintendo's console because of its absurd name, that ultimately translates to a smaller install base and less third party support. That not only means fewer games but ghetto ports. That is why the name does matter to me. It will not stop me from buying it, but it will stop me from asking someone if they want to play it. Noone wants to hear the words, "want to play with my Wii?" I'm just going to call it the Nintendo.
Post by: Dasmos on April 30, 2006, 03:12:29 AM
Also, I think you just contradicted yourself, "But it will stop me from asking someone if they want to play it. Noone wants to hear the words, "want to play with my Wii?""
But then you said
"I'm just going to call it the Nintendo."
Are you afraid of asking people to play Nintendo?
Post by: wandering on April 30, 2006, 04:27:41 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on April 30, 2006, 12:50:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Dasmos
I don't think I have ever asked. "Do you want to play GameCube?" I have always asked if people want to "play Nintendo."
Also, I think you just contradicted yourself, "But it will stop me from asking someone if they want to play it. Noone wants to hear the words, "want to play with my Wii?""
But then you said
"I'm just going to call it the Nintendo."
Are you afraid of asking people to play Nintendo?
I was just writing it too fast, sorry I was incoherrent. I'm saying I'm not going to call it Wii; I won't be asking people to play with the Wii. Instead I'm going to refer to it as the Nintendo and hope Nintendo doesn't plaster Wii in huge font all over the console.
I have a huge problem with the name because video games already have a major image problem. One of my uncles already called it the f**k stick before the name Wii was announced. The name helps the industry none in getting those types of non gamers to pick up the controller and give it a try. And it is just embarrassing, if girls are over and they see it they are going to laugh and make jokes (even worse than the toyish looking GCN).
Post by: Strell on April 30, 2006, 01:01:24 PM
I mean, f*ck stick! Gosh! I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT PHRASE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE BEFORE. I COMMEND YOUR UNCLE'S ABILITY TO MAKE UP STRONG, THOUGHT PROVOKING PHRASES.
I feel ashamed by such words! Ashamed at playing games!
IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME I BELIEVE I WILL GO COWER IN MY BEDROOM NOW. FILTHY, DIRTY GAMER.
Post by: Zach on April 30, 2006, 01:25:09 PM
Post by: mantidor on April 30, 2006, 01:27:08 PM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Ah, so everybody who likes the name is twisting their brains up... but everyone who doesn't like the name but has come to dissapointedly accept it, like they have, is rational. Because the name is objectively bad. Thanks for clearing that up, 1up!
what do you like about the name?
Post by: MysticGohan on April 30, 2006, 01:56:41 PM
There's been worse names
just think of wii as "we" and not "wee wee" the urine jokes have been done to death, even before wii :P
Post by: stevey on April 30, 2006, 02:06:54 PM
:fires shotgun:
Post by: Strell on April 30, 2006, 02:28:54 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 30, 2006, 02:50:27 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on April 30, 2006, 03:10:11 PM
"What next generation really needs is depthening the gameplay experience. I want free standard online gaming. I believe the controller should become better at simulating our wants in the game. I would suggest a controller that is not only conforming and angled to fit the hands but also does more than any controller has ever done. A screen could become standard just as joysticks have. The left side of the pad would be your normal controller with a trigger and a shoulder button. Also a joypad and dpad. The right side should be a flight stick modified and attached to the left side with multiple functioning such as diagonal movements and turning."
"The camera used with the PS2 has given me lots of ideas for controlling basically any game with combat using the hands in the game. The system could use the camera in a next gen system to track the movement of the hand without the use of lightgun technology. Imagine detaching the flight joysick from the rest of the controller and it being the tracer point that the camera follows and uses in a game like Zelda or Soul Calibur allowing you to swing the sword. Perhaps this idea would work best if the controller for a proposed next gen game console were actually two controllers (one held in each hand) which the system tracks as the player moves his/her hands for sword swiping or punching or aiming a gun. This two sperate prongs idea could be used to allow for each prong to be used as a joystick with tilt technology giving the gamer two flight sticks instead of a camera tracing technology. What do you guys prefer?"
"Instead of hair and grass effects in games we will get dvd recorders. Instead of improved controllers we will get outrageous harddrives for what? MP3s? Pirating games? Cutting out the middle man and rentals with free demos for download instantly. Downloading old 2d games legally from say Nintendo or Sega?
The industry needs another revolution that can change the way we play not what we play on the machine."
-2003
Post by: wandering on April 30, 2006, 06:17:57 PM
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what do you like about the name?
I like weird names.
Post by: eljefe on April 30, 2006, 06:29:26 PM
esprcially the responses, "Nintendo will never do that!.."
Post by: The Omen on April 30, 2006, 07:27:21 PM
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"What next generation really needs is depthening the gameplay experience. I want free standard online gaming. I believe the controller should become better at simulating our wants in the game. I would suggest a controller that is not only conforming and angled to fit the hands but also does more than any controller has ever done. A screen could become standard just as joysticks have. The left side of the pad would be your normal controller with a trigger and a shoulder button. Also a joypad and dpad. The right side should be a flight stick modified and attached to the left side with multiple functioning such as diagonal movements and turning."
"The camera used with the PS2 has given me lots of ideas for controlling basically any game with combat using the hands in the game. The system could use the camera in a next gen system to track the movement of the hand without the use of lightgun technology. Imagine detaching the flight joysick from the rest of the controller and it being the tracer point that the camera follows and uses in a game like Zelda or Soul Calibur allowing you to swing the sword. Perhaps this idea would work best if the controller for a proposed next gen game console were actually two controllers (one held in each hand) which the system tracks as the player moves his/her hands for sword swiping or punching or aiming a gun. This two sperate prongs idea could be used to allow for each prong to be used as a joystick with tilt technology giving the gamer two flight sticks instead of a camera tracing technology. What do you guys prefer?"
"Instead of hair and grass effects in games we will get dvd recorders. Instead of improved controllers we will get outrageous harddrives for what? MP3s? Pirating games? Cutting out the middle man and rentals with free demos for download instantly. Downloading old 2d games legally from say Nintendo or Sega?
The industry needs another revolution that can change the way we play not what we play on the machine."
-2003
And Nemo wins the biggest narcissist award!
Post by: eljefe on April 30, 2006, 07:33:57 PM
if you had made all those predictions
and THEY CAME TRUE
you wouldn"t do the same thing?
It was rather narcissistic, but I would"ve done the same thing.
Post by: IceCold on April 30, 2006, 07:39:02 PM
Incidentally, I remember Requiem (Don'tHate) also wanting recognition afterwards
Post by: wandering on April 30, 2006, 07:44:13 PM
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And Nemo wins the biggest narcissist award!
What? I'm a MUCH bigger narcissist than Nemo, give the award to me!
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 30, 2006, 07:48:46 PM
Hahaha, yeah. We mocked him too
Post by: wandering on April 30, 2006, 07:53:39 PM
Oh, anyway, nemo, requiem, your predictions were good, yes. You should spend less time predicting Nintendo-related developments and more time predicting major disasters or something.
Post by: nemo_83 on April 30, 2006, 09:08:25 PM
No really, I only posted those quotes because I myself was suspicious of how close my ideas came to Nintendo's direction.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2006, 08:28:35 AM
I pretty much agree with this. Maybe those of you who like the name really do but it's hard to believe that because of past occurances. The problem is that EVERY TIME Nintendo does something questionable the same people rush to defend it. It doesn't matter what Nintendo does, it's seen as genius. When we all finally figured out that the Cube was offline their were people that defended it. It wasn't even that they felt it wouldn't matter. They thought it was a GOOD IDEA. They quoted Nintendo's bullsh!t reasoning for it word for word. There are people here who still defend cartridges for the N64. There are fans that never EVER disagree with anything Nintendo does. And they always use the same lame canned responses that Nintendo execs use, as if they work for the company or something.
If you appear to like everything your opinion just doesn't have any credibility. I'm quite upset that this is the view people have of Nintendo fans. We're not all like this but because of a few people that stereotype exists.
It doesn't help that in this case Nintendo fans are the ONLY people defending the name. There is a range of opinion on how much the name matters but pretty much everyone else thinks it sucks.
Post by: The Omen on May 01, 2006, 08:35:56 AM
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I pretty much agree with this. Maybe those of you who like the name really do but it's hard to believe that because of past occurances. The problem is that EVERY TIME Nintendo does something questionable the same people rush to defend it. It doesn't matter what Nintendo does, it's seen as genius. When we all finally figured out that the Cube was offline their were people that defended it. It wasn't even that they felt it wouldn't matter. They thought it was a GOOD IDEA. They quoted Nintendo's bullsh!t reasoning for it word for word. There are people here who still defend cartridges for the N64. There are fans that never EVER disagree with anything Nintendo does. And they always use the same lame canned responses that Nintendo execs use, as if they work for the company or something.
I...agree. I used to be one of those people. Now days, it depends on who I am talking with. If I'm talking to a Sony knucklehead, then yeah, I am the defender of all things Nintendo, even if I know I may be wrong on some points. That's just the fanboy in me. Here on these boards, I feel I can 'safely' hit out at Nintendo and their fans with any concerns I have, because we all want the same end result.
Post by: eljefe on May 01, 2006, 09:14:53 AM
QuoteIf you appear to DISLIKE everything your opinion doesn't have any credibility either. Happily, few of us are really that extreme in our opinions.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
There are fans that never EVER disagree with anything Nintendo does. And they always use the same lame canned responses that Nintendo execs use, as if they work for the company or something.
If you appear to like everything your opinion just doesn't have any credibility. I'm quite upset that this is the view people have of Nintendo fans. We're not all like this but because of a few people that stereotype exists.
It doesn't help that in this case Nintendo fans are the ONLY people defending the name. There is a range of opinion on how much the name matters but pretty much everyone else thinks it sucks.
*wink*
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 01, 2006, 09:14:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It doesn't help that in this case Nintendo fans are the ONLY people defending the name. There is a range of opinion on how much the name matters but pretty much everyone else thinks it sucks.
I know it's easy to be dismissive of the other side, but come on. Pulling unsupported crap out of thin air is not the way to build an argument.
Nor does it help that you're basically the exact reverse of everybody you bashed in your post.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 01, 2006, 09:21:03 AM
I figured I'd get this response. I don't dislike everything. It's just an unfortunate coincedence that pretty much since Iwata took over I haven't been too keen on the direction Nintendo's been going in.
But there are Nintendo games I'm looking forward to. I've praised what I do like about the Wii. Recently I was incredibly positive about the news that the Wii would get it's own exclusive version of Madden. Sadly that news was completely overshadowed by the this name stuff.
Post by: eljefe on May 01, 2006, 09:33:57 AM
I defend Nintendo's RIGHT to make those decisions, I don't always agree with specific things that they "leave out" of their products.
I do, however, agree that some of these features would put the product out of my price range. And some of the features that don't necessarily increase price (due to new tech) change the focus of the machine.
On top of that, I respect Nintendo as a group of artists. They still treat videogaming as an artform. Meaning: THEY decide the medium, THEY decide the content, THEY decide how it will be displayed, and THEY decide the price.
If the Internet had existed during the Renaissance, people on the boards would be complaining about Michelangelo's "David"...Sheesh
("..He should've been clothed...." "Offensive, historically innacurate..." "Needs more detail on the hair..." "This will not appeal to the Non-christian market...")
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 01, 2006, 09:34:51 AM
Post by: eljefe on May 01, 2006, 09:41:04 AM
you have ALLOWED your focus to be shifted away from the recent games announcements and gameplay possibilites.
Everything Nintendo is doing is deliberate. Sony and MS are, generally speaking, over cautious.
There's a fine line between being overly cautious (which produces poor entertainment) and calculated, deliberate business decisions. Nintendo is planted firmly on the "right" side of that line.
Post by: Kairon on May 01, 2006, 09:44:45 AM
The best way to be a Nintendo Fanboy is to know exactly what a Sony or MS Fanboy believes, and believe in that just as much as they do. A Nintendo Fanboy wouldn't be afraid of opposing viewpoints and even being wrong on several points because time after time they've found that their intellectual truths and their emotional truths will always converge on the same company: Nintendo.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Requiem of Darcness on May 01, 2006, 10:40:31 AM
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Originally posted by: eljefe
no, requiem
you have ALLOWED your focus to be shifted away from the recent games announcements and gameplay possibilites.
Everything Nintendo is doing is deliberate. Sony and MS are, generally speaking, over cautious.
There's a fine line between being overly cautious (which produces poor entertainment) and calculated, deliberate business decisions. Nintendo is planted firmly on the "right" side of that line.
No I haven't Eljefe. Its called being the devil's advocate. Gameplay is paramount to me as gamer but most casual gamers are image conscious. My point is that most gamers won't be like the average Nintendo fan and harp on the name without giving the Wii a chance. We are Nintendo fans because we dont' care about image as much as gameplay. Nintendo's diminishing market share is a result of their failure to connect with the casual gamer. As for Nintendo's business decisions, they seem to ignorant of the differences between Eastern and Western society. This obvious in there inability to sell top notch console game titles outside of Japan. If I didn't know better I would swear that their are two Nintendo's. The one that masterfully maintains their hold on the portable market and the one that mismanages the console market.
Post by: eljefe on May 01, 2006, 10:43:19 AM
Post by: heinous_anus on May 01, 2006, 12:23:30 PM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiNQuote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It doesn't help that in this case Nintendo fans are the ONLY people defending the name. There is a range of opinion on how much the name matters but pretty much everyone else thinks it sucks.
I know it's easy to be dismissive of the other side, but come on. Pulling unsupported crap out of thin air is not the way to build an argument.
Nor does it help that you're basically the exact reverse of everybody you bashed in your post.
No no, I'll back him up on this. I've been off and on these boards, reading, mostly, for the last several years, and I remember back when...oh, what was his name... like "Mouse Clicker" or something was saying that "less 3rd party support is no big deal at all!" and "online is a stupid decision anyway;" there were, and are, others like him.
I'm pretty sure that Ian enjoys playing Nintendo games, in fact, I'm SURE of it, as I've seen him in posts say that "I like this and this GC game" etc. etc.
"I defend Nintendo's RIGHT to make those decisions, I don't always agree with specific things that they "leave out" of their products."
Problem solved on that one, Eljefe. I don't think anyone is attacking Nintendo's right to do anything they damn well please with their systems. We as consumers and fans of their entertainment products can also take issue with these decisions, and note our fears of what "bad" decisions might lead to.
Post by: Artimus on May 01, 2006, 12:58:30 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 01:03:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane It's just an unfortunate coincedence that pretty much since Iwata took over I haven't been too keen on the direction Nintendo's been going in.
How can you not like the DS and what it's doing for the market?
I call it like it is, personally. I weigh the consequences of an action through my eyes, Nintendo's eyes, and the eyes of the potential customers.
Fanbase, developer, hater. That's the trinity: the three views which I try to consider.
From Nintendo's view, they believe that "Wii" will go forth, enslave people with morbid curiosity and entice them into a purchase. Creating a buzz and a stir. I believe they're half right.
The hater is likely someone who once liked Nintendo as a kid but was swayed by Sony/MS into believing that Nintendo is for children. They want to be right in believing that Nintendo is the wrong choice, but the thing is, with enough evidence to the contrary, they will come back.
The fanbase is mixed. Some of us like the name, believing in Nintendo's vision. The rest of us are either put off or at least concerned. I fall into the concerned category.
Frankly, I don't want to buy another Gamecube: a system which will experience severe drought through the latter half of its lifespan. The reason for that drought was the fact that sales weren't up to par with those of other consoles AND the perception that Nintendo was aimed at children often turned away developers of mature franchises. It was a compounding problem which ultimately dropped the cube in last place.
I hope the word "wii" doesn't turn people away from the console, especially new people. Even so, I just can't see the need for the name in the first place. Was it necessary? I think Nintendo had MORE than enough going for their new console to take the lead without a bizarre and questionable name.
So that's what I'm looking at. Nintendo was doing great things up until this: backwards compatibility, downloads for retro/new games, any USB device for storage, Red Steel being the premier game...and then, naming the console "The Wee".
Ever hear of the Chevy Nova debacle? Apparently, the car sold VERY poorly in Spanish-speaking countries. Had Chevy done some research, they would have learned that, in Spanish, "No va" directly translates into "doesn't go". Who's going to buy the car that "doesn't go"?
Like it or not, product names have a REAL consequence on their sales. I'm afraid that "wee" might do the same thing for the Nintendo that Nova did for Chevy.
Post by: MaryJane on May 01, 2006, 01:11:47 PM
wii doesn't translate to piece of crap or doesn't play in any languages i can think of.
also what's in a name? one of my ex-gf's name was Daiva pronounced like Diver except with an a instead of the er. at first i was like wtf kind of name was that (her cousin, my best friend, told me her name before i saw her) then when i saw her i was just DAMN! woooo talk about hot (too bad she was bitchy) but once people see the Wii, which is undeniably the best looking console of all of them, and what it can do, the name will (hopefully i should say cuz people aren't always as intelligent as i give them credit for) take a back seat.
Post by: mantidor on May 01, 2006, 01:24:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane It's just an unfortunate coincedence that pretty much since Iwata took over I haven't been too keen on the direction Nintendo's been going in.
Ever hear of the Chevy Nova debacle? Apparently, the car sold VERY poorly in Spanish-speaking countries. Had Chevy done some research, they would have learned that, in Spanish, "No va" directly translates into "doesn't go". Who's going to buy the car that "doesn't go"?
Like it or not, product names have a REAL consequence on their sales. I'm afraid that "wee" might do the same thing for the Nintendo that Nova did for Chevy.
Its false.
That doesnt mean the name is not important, mind you, just that that particular name "nova" has no way to be confused with "no va" (and I should know), the pronounciation is completly different. Wii has only one way to be said, is a really annoying or silly sound around here.
Post by: eljefe on May 01, 2006, 02:27:41 PM
a dude on infendo said the same thing
"'a stupid name wouldn't keep me from dating a hot girl... so why would it keep me from playing an awesome game system?..""
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 01, 2006, 02:40:09 PM
Nothing wrong with dating her. It's introducing her to others which you'll likely avoid.
Post by: wandering on May 01, 2006, 06:42:59 PM
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I pretty much agree with this. Maybe those of you who like the name really do but it's hard to believe that because of past occurances. The problem is that EVERY TIME Nintendo does something questionable the same people rush to defend it. It doesn't matter what Nintendo does, it's seen as genius. When we all finally figured out that the Cube was offline their were people that defended it. It wasn't even that they felt it wouldn't matter. They thought it was a GOOD IDEA. They quoted Nintendo's bullsh!t reasoning for it word for word. There are people here who still defend cartridges for the N64. There are fans that never EVER disagree with anything Nintendo does. And they always use the same lame canned responses that Nintendo execs use, as if they work for the company or something.
True. But then there's the flipside: Nintendo fans who love what Nintendo has done in the past but hate every single new whacky idea Nintendo announces. People who scream, to quote Rumsfeld, henny-penny the sky is falling every time Nintendo announces something new. People who feel personally betrayed by each change in Nintendo's direction. From the N64 controller, to 3d Zelda, to 3d metroid, to the revolution controller, on and on. But then, when Nintendo shows something like Twilight Princess for the first time, people get emotional: finally, Nitnendo is doing something safe and expected! This is the happiest day of my life!
Really, the only time it's worth talking about Nintendo is when we have a finished Nintendo product in our hands, and are relating how we feel about it. But then, there's really nothing to say except to note how amazing it is, and what minor nit-picks we have.
It'd probably be better if we just stopped talking about Nintendo altogether.
Post by: ruby_onix on May 01, 2006, 08:37:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Read my sig (which I came up with myself).
Nothing wrong with dating her. It's introducing her to others which you'll likely avoid.
You should also bear in mind that she named herself, like a porn star.
Would you date a porn star named "Doug", especially if they keep saying that they have a great "surprise" that they need to reveal to you, when they think you're ready to accept it?
Post by: The Omen on May 01, 2006, 08:49:41 PM
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If you appear to DISLIKE everything your opinion doesn't have any credibility either. Happily, few of us are really that extreme in our opinions.
Apparently, you haven't read anything. Everyone here likes the system, so obviously they only dislike the name. So disliking everything is a blatant overstatement on your part...of course.
Post by: IceCold on May 01, 2006, 09:16:49 PM
Post by: eljefe on May 02, 2006, 04:18:45 AM
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Originally posted by: wanderingQuote
I pretty much agree with this. Maybe those of you who like the name really do but it's hard to believe that because of past occurances. The problem is that EVERY TIME Nintendo does something questionable the same people rush to defend it. It doesn't matter what Nintendo does, it's seen as genius. When we all finally figured out that the Cube was offline their were people that defended it. It wasn't even that they felt it wouldn't matter. They thought it was a GOOD IDEA. They quoted Nintendo's bullsh!t reasoning for it word for word. There are people here who still defend cartridges for the N64. There are fans that never EVER disagree with anything Nintendo does. And they always use the same lame canned responses that Nintendo execs use, as if they work for the company or something.
True. But then there's the flipside: Nintendo fans who love what Nintendo has done in the past but hate every single new whacky idea Nintendo announces. People who scream, to quote Rumsfeld, henny-penny the sky is falling every time Nintendo announces something new. People who feel personally betrayed by each change in Nintendo's direction. From the N64 controller, to 3d Zelda, to 3d metroid, to the revolution controller, on and on. But then, when Nintendo shows something like Twilight Princess for the first time, people get emotional: finally, Nitnendo is doing something safe and expected! This is the happiest day of my life!
Really, the only time it's worth talking about Nintendo is when we have a finished Nintendo product in our hands, and are relating how we feel about it. But then, there's really nothing to say except to note how amazing it is, and what minor nit-picks we have.
It'd probably be better if we just stopped talking about Nintendo altogether.
haaahaha
CLASSIC
I was thinking the same thing
