Author Topic: PS3 repeating history? (Read 9943 times)

nolimit19 · « **on:** June 08, 2006, 07:27:06 PM »

according to an article that appeared here and here, by using blu-ray technology in the ps3, sony may be repeating the same mistakes they made with betamex, mini-discs, and the memory stick. i am not sure whether to consider this a possibility because i'm not sure of the details. is sony not allowing other companies to produce technology that utilizes ble-ray? if so, i could see the authors point.

"Obsessed with owning proprietary formats, Sony keeps picking fights. It keeps losing. And yet it keeps coming back for more, convinced that all it needs to do is push a bigger stack of chips to the center of the table. If Blu-ray fails, it will be the biggest home-electronics failure since Betamax. If it drags PlayStation 3 down with it, it will be one of the biggest corporate blunders of our time."

any thoughts?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #1 on:** June 08, 2006, 07:41:28 PM »

How joyful!

Maybe once they FAIL, they can drop the prices of their normal electronics products down to the prices they're really worth, like... competitive?!

Mario · « **Reply #2 on:** June 08, 2006, 07:43:01 PM »

I thought this thread would be about PS3 being a N64.

Epitaph · « **Reply #3 on:** June 08, 2006, 07:45:26 PM »

If the ps3 dies then sony is more or less dead, last I heard the gaming division is the only one profiting. Sony is like the ford of home electronics, they were the leaders, got complacent, fell behind and the market got taken over by someone else. Right now that someone else seems like microsoft.

Mario · « **Reply #4 on:** June 08, 2006, 07:48:44 PM »

I'm hoping the sour taste PSP left in peoples mouths will have an effect on the floppage of PS3 as well.

nickmitch · « **Reply #5 on:** June 08, 2006, 08:57:22 PM »

But when confronted with the choice of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, do you think most average consumers will say:
A) HD-DVD (with DVD being familiar and HD already being forced down their throats)
B) Blu-Ray (Sony? Ok.)
C) Please point me to the DVD section, the regular DVDs
Blu-Ray just has nothing going for it.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #6 on:** June 08, 2006, 08:59:14 PM »

I kinda already said this...

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1. Bet all the marbles on Blu-Ray as a media format when it's likely to fail
If you don't know, Sony has had 3 failed media formats in the past (Betamax, Minidisc and UMD). Blu-Ray will be their forth attempt to push a proprietary media format into the world and collect "phat lewtz" off of licensing fees. Problem is, HD-DVD is being supported by far more powerful studios, such as Universal and Time Warner, who intend to do everything they can to stamp out Blu-Ray like a misfired bottle rocket. These studios intend to release such giant movies as Lord of the Rings and King Kong in HD on the same day Sony releases Blu-Ray players. Now, they're trying to launch BR players at around $900. If you don't remember, VHS killed Betamax for one reason: because it was CHEAPER. If Sony truly wants to push BR as a format, they need to make it affordable to everyone and they are doing the exact opposite.

...But I still agree.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #7 on:** June 09, 2006, 12:29:41 AM »

The one piece of history it will repeat is that noone gets a third gen at the top.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #8 on:** June 09, 2006, 01:29:45 PM »

KDR: So does that mean this is Microsoft's first year to be GEN top dog...or Will Nintendo rise above all odds and become generation leader again reclaiming its crown?

And isn't Nintendo top dog for like 3-4 generations with handhelds? Or does that count?

nolimit19 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 09, 2006, 03:34:46 PM »

i think microsoft is taking over for this generation. you could kind of see it towards the end of this generation. nintendo will still have its niche market and will make a good profit. sony...i'm not so sure. this article brought up a lot of things i hadnt really thought about. it looks like they could have a tough time. especially if the price stays that high.

wandering · « **Reply #10 on:** June 09, 2006, 08:06:08 PM »

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nintendo will still have its niche market and will make a good profit.

Yes, the niche 'everyone in the whole entire world' market.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #11 on:** June 09, 2006, 08:37:59 PM »

Spak: Usually the ursurper is a newcomer. In this case I think MS is going to be like Sega, successful some territories, an utter failure in others and overall slightly below Nintendo :p.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:29:12 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mario
I thought this thread would be about PS3 being a N64.

me too

N64 cart = blu ray

People are finally starting to smell Sony's BS and their support is crumbling faster than they can make bigger asses out of themselves by claiming it isn't a "toy" (game console), it's a computer, yeah, and I'll just get a Mac, Ken; all I want the thing to do is play games.

ThePerm · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2006, 07:57:50 AM »

i bet wii games will be cheap, from what i understand Iwata said they will price games based on the game, that means there will be alot of budget games which is great.

Garnee · « **Reply #14 on:** June 10, 2006, 08:35:08 AM »

Sony is repeating history by making another terrible console.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #15 on:** June 10, 2006, 01:06:11 PM »

LOL @ Garnee.

Until Sony actually loses SquareEnix, or some equally big third party, I won't accept comparisons to N64.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #16 on:** June 10, 2006, 11:11:17 PM »

it's a computer, yeah, and I'll just get a Mac, Ken; all I want the thing to do is play games.

Well, the PS3 is cheaper than a Mac...

Ceric · « **Reply #17 on:** June 11, 2006, 08:02:50 AM »

lol. If it could only run a unix style operating system. Oh wait...

You know what the shame of all this?

Betamax was the better quality format but, didn't allow porn and was smaller.
MiniDisc, was yet again in it's own way the better format but, Didn't release the MiniDisc computer drive here in the states where 650 MB of rewritable portable durable storage in the same size as a floppy would have done well. (Be better then Zip and the SuperDrive, which be who it was competing against, plus later on it's like a Gig)
Blu-Ray gives much more storage but, releasing a format that doesn't really fit the need it's trying to primarily fill.

If Blu-Ray discs are sold at a price comparable to Dual Layer Burnable DVD's and the burners are not to expensive it could flourish. As a computer Person I like Blu-Ray better then HD-DVD. As someone who watches TV I could care less. Real shame about hte MiniDisc though.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 11, 2006, 08:41:34 AM »

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
LOL @ Garnee.

Until Sony actually loses SquareEnix, or some equally big third party, I won't accept comparisons to N64.

Wii will recieve SquarEnix support, so they don't count either way.

"Well, the PS3 is cheaper than a Mac..."

And the PS3 will break down in a year.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #19 on:** June 11, 2006, 10:15:03 AM »

S-E does count. Whichever console sees the DQ and FF main series will gain a significant sales boost in Japan. The question is whether that boost will be able to make up for the lost sales from the pricepoint. Hey, maybe MS will gain some mass in Japan with those Mistwalker games, which could end with them getting some smaller RailPG series.

And the PS3 will break down in a year.

And the Mac will be so utterly obsolete that it could just as well break down. Unless you pay 2-3 times the price of a PS3 for a decent Mac.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #20 on:** June 11, 2006, 10:47:19 AM »

I have a general question.

Do you think the average person who buys a PS3 will then start to buy bluray discs or will they stick to DVD or some combination of the two?

Kairon · « **Reply #21 on:** June 11, 2006, 10:51:45 AM »

Combination of the two I guess. They'd get Blu-ray when possible as long as the blue-ray editions cost less than $30. They've already spent 500+ on the PS3, so I fugre they'd know what they're doing and are ready to make a financial commitment to the medium.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

nickmitch · « **Reply #22 on:** June 11, 2006, 07:24:48 PM »

I think it'd have more to do with the price of a Blu-Ray as compared to a DVD. People would be more likely to go with the cheaper DVD, if possible.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #23 on:** June 12, 2006, 11:43:17 AM »

especially when they see no visual difference between the two, because their TV is only HD ready and not outputting or whatever in HD.

My tv is HD ready, so all I need, I guess is to get the box to make it HD, but right now why bother?

BigJim · « **Reply #24 on:** June 14, 2006, 04:47:03 AM »

The HD tuner "box" doesn't apply to video games and/or Blu-Ray players. The box is only necessary for cable/satellite/over-the-air TV reception. So they'll see a difference between the two as long as they use an HD cable.

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