Post by: NRevolutionR on August 03, 2005, 01:11:58 PM
Copy/pasting the entirety of an off-site document is a no-no. Not citing the source is also considered naughty. For those interested in reading the article, you can see it here:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/638/638879p1.html
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 03, 2005, 01:24:59 PM
Shame on you for breaking Luminoth Temple rules #1 and #2.
Post by: nemo_83 on August 03, 2005, 02:50:35 PM
It sounds as if they have parts planned in third person without the suit. Likely flying or stealth/undercover missions.
Post by: mjbd on August 03, 2005, 03:02:31 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 03, 2005, 03:24:01 PM
Post by: stevey on August 03, 2005, 04:14:03 PM
so she going to be nude alright
better metroid nudty than mario/zelda/DK nudty. "The 'engine' [we developed] underwent drastic improvements between Metroid Prime 1 and 2, and will see even more between 2 and 3," the company stated. "Our engineers are a very talented and dedicated bunch, and they're constantly looking for ways to make our games run smoother with more detail."
yeah very talented easy when one of them has 3 arms!!!O_O look in np in some issues they the a guy has 3 arm it blowing my mind.
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 03, 2005, 04:28:19 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on August 03, 2005, 04:33:28 PM
Post by: mantidor on August 03, 2005, 05:29:55 PM
"they have parts planned in third person without the suit. "
Noooo
Samus should never leave the suit unless in very rare and special ocasions, like it usually happens. One of her biggest appealing is how her identity is secret, even if we already know she's a woman, shes still a very intriguing character precisely because all we see is the suit and those beautiful eyes... I hope that at least they implement the third person part well, the Metroid series is pretty unique, and although Im willing to accept departures form the series like Hunter or Pinball, I really dont want this to be a gradually "FPS-ation" of the franchise.Not to mention how most people are surprised she's a woman, believe or not there are many of them out there, its really nice to see their expression when they finally know. (usually when Im finishing MP 1 or 2) "oh my... she's a woman!!??" ^_^ thats priceless.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 03, 2005, 05:39:51 PM
Flying with the ship is expected, of course, but I don't see anything else besides that...I'm glad they aren't adding crappy 3rd person suit bits...
The quote I like is this one: "We plan on taking advantage of a number of new features in the Revolution, including the controller," which finally proves that the Revolution is more than a new controller...
Post by: nemo_83 on August 03, 2005, 06:26:07 PM
The E3 vid was done on modified Cube hardware even though Reggie claimed it was on REV hardware at the show.
The E3 clip confirms co-op which means that other humanoid characters may be able to wear Samus' vaious other suits. Or there could be other aliens with their own suits, ships, and technologies (visors/weapons).
I can't wait to see what the ship looks like on the inside.
I have faith they will use the new lighting engines to create new levels of atmosphere and ambience. The GameCube can already do awesome polygons, so any system three times its power will have no problems with expansive environments with lots of characters at a smooth framerate. They talked about detail too, which makes me think of the bugs flying around in MP2, the way the visor will fog up, and cube mapping. I don't care what Capcom says about temperature; a regular tv will get the job done. If I watch Laurence of Arabia on my nineties tv does it make it look any less real? They're real actors! End of argument. Resolution is nothing but that, resolution; it doesn't make graphics look any better. If anything it will show more imperfections. With that said I wish REV at least supported wide screen. I don't care about progressive scan or interlace; its all jargon about resolution standards or the absence there of which is why it hasn't been adopted as quickly as the "annalysts" who are recieving payolla predicted. I can't believe these giant publishers are bowing down before the hype machines.
The greatest news here is that they will use the new controller's features. I would predict that includes at least a gyro and a trackball which means free aiming similar to the Hunters game but with analog control.
Post by: nickmitch on August 03, 2005, 07:01:58 PM
She might have on that little attire from the end of Zero mission.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 03, 2005, 07:50:10 PM
Metroid isn't about that...It's about being alone on mostly uninhabited worlds, not "Samus goes to New York" (thanks, Mario
)They talked about detail too, which makes me think of the bugs flying around in MP2, the way the visor will fog up
Retro is the king of detail, don't worry...
Edit: Oh wait, I've had a rather credible source tell me that Samus WILL be going to New York! Check out this boxart he sent me!
Post by: nemo_83 on August 03, 2005, 08:39:23 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on August 03, 2005, 08:39:59 PM
Post by: MrMojoRising on August 04, 2005, 12:05:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Edit: Oh wait, I've had a rather credible source tell me that Samus WILL be going to New York! Check out this boxart he sent me!
MP3 is a gamecube game now?
MP3 is a music file?
I'm so confused...
Post by: mantidor on August 04, 2005, 02:52:45 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 04, 2005, 03:57:00 AM
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Originally posted by: MrMojoRisingQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Edit: Oh wait, I've had a rather credible source tell me that Samus WILL be going to New York! Check out this boxart he sent me!
MP3 is a gamecube game now?
MP3 is a music file?
I'm so confused...
Good, because that was the point...
Post by: stevey on August 04, 2005, 04:19:40 AM
That MP:H story line duh.
"Not to mention how most people are surprised she's a woman, believe or not there are many of them out there, its really nice to see their expression when they finally know. (usually when Im finishing MP 1 or 2) "oh my... she's a woman!!??" ^_^ thats priceless. "
So put the nudety at the end of the game as a bonus.
Post by: Pale on August 04, 2005, 04:54:09 AM
man...
I vote for a stevey appreciation thread.
Post by: NRevolutionR on August 04, 2005, 07:49:08 AM
Post by: TMW on August 04, 2005, 07:53:24 AM
#2. You do not talk about [blank].
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I'm surprised this got leaked, really. I wonder who leaked it?
Post by: Renny on August 04, 2005, 09:21:18 AM
#3. u r nt matur eenuf 4 teh [blank]!!!1
Post by: vudu on August 04, 2005, 09:26:07 AM
QuotePlease do. That Reggie-Bjork thing has really been creeping me out lately.
That would motivate me to finally update my av.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on August 04, 2005, 11:42:43 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_series
Check the MP3 section.
The most exciting thing is that Yamamoto is composing the music.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 04, 2005, 11:52:07 AM
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Originally posted by: TMW
#1. You do not talk about [blank].
#2. You do not talk about [blank].
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I'm surprised this got leaked, really. I wonder who leaked it?
It was an excited, pants-wetting member who also frequented the Nsider forums (thus first leaking it there). He claims he didn't realize such an action wasn't allowed, did it out of giddy schoolgirl excitement, but Rules 1&2 and the site FAQ state it clearly.
They terminated his account and took his name. He's also JEOPARDIZED our chances of seeing any exclusive content in the future. That rotting vomitus mass.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 04, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
Nintendo and Retro aren't stupid. They know anything written on the web is fairplay to getting released to the public. They knew that and posted that interview. Notice the information in that is not very specific. They basically told us the game completes a triology (which might mean the last Retro Metroid for while) and it uses the Revolution controller for something unique. BIG DEAL. Yawn.
I don't think you have to worry about losing your exclusive stories on the sight.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 04, 2005, 01:27:47 PM
The interview was taken down before I even got to read it. That's one exclusive already lost.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on August 04, 2005, 03:10:15 PM
Post by: nickmitch on August 04, 2005, 05:13:07 PM
Post by: Galford on August 04, 2005, 05:43:02 PM
That will mean the story will not bleed on forever.
Metroid Fusion left the doors wide open on what Nintendo could do next.
I just hope they get some good sci-fi writers to do Metroid 5 justice.
PS - Everyone does remember the ending to Fusion right???
Post by: mantidor on August 04, 2005, 05:43:11 PM
its something with the myNintendo thing Im not sure Im elligible since Im not in USA...I saw that here: http://www.luminothtemple.com/
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 04, 2005, 07:23:50 PM
What i Mean is I log in with my current screen name and then they refer to me by a screen name I haven't used in 7+ years. Its kinda wierd.
p.s. I believe I know how you can become a member, all you have to do is.....
....who's there......*looks around room*....hey what are you doing h*THUMP*........
Post by: nemo_83 on August 04, 2005, 07:31:21 PM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2005, 12:12:51 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
I have it registered but they said I wasn't eligible!
Are you old enough to watch an R rated movie or buy M rated games?
Post by: nickmitch on August 05, 2005, 12:21:21 PM
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Post by: nemo_83 on August 05, 2005, 06:09:58 PM
I want to see parts of the game like Blade Runner. I want to see what makes Samus special without the suit.
Imagine how these lonely pirates will act when they see a gorgeous blonde walk into their space station; a little different from how they will act if they know she's the BMF in the galaxy.
Post by: nickmitch on August 05, 2005, 07:38:36 PM
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Originally posted by: vudu
BnM hit the nail on the head. You have to be 17+ to gain access. Sorry TVboy, I'm so funny you lose.
Now I'm gonna go cry and study up for my driving exam.
And maybe some cutscenes of Samus running around w/o her suit.
Post by: stevey on August 06, 2005, 04:29:11 AM
um she only hunt the space pirates and metroids. because they kill her family and cut off her arm.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 06, 2005, 07:04:25 AM
Post by: mantidor on August 06, 2005, 07:49:02 AM
I just want the Metroid experience, even if they add too many things, I just want to get some awesome bosses and be freaked out when a metroid stucks to my head and sucks my energy, and since its guaranteed the game will have that my sale is a sure thing, I just want everything to pull off right, and since what they are adding is new stuff I think is normal to feel a little doubtful about it, but if someone can do it is those guys, they did pull off the first person view flawlessly despite the "controversy", didnt they?
Post by: IceCold on August 10, 2005, 10:39:09 PM
Sorry for straying, but I just read Pale's comment from earlier, and I couldn't resist replying.
QuoteThere is one post from Stevey that has, if nothing else, stuck in my head. Usually I read the others and think nothing more of them. But whenever I see his name now, I think back to this post for some reason. He was replying to a post stating that politicians act like they know everything and enact stupid laws, and they should stay away from games. This is what he said, in its entirety.
Originally posted by: Pale
I vote for a stevey appreciation thread.
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Shut up! They're lisening. No one want taxes on video game that why the ESRB had to cavin or the ass hole would never give up till the gov. would make all game idiotic so people might never think for them self and become lap dog to what ever they want and go to war for what ever resone/lie and belive it because they want us to be retart about gov.
Post by: vudu on August 11, 2005, 08:46:58 AM
Stevey, out of curiosity, how old are you?
Post by: ShyGuy on August 11, 2005, 10:02:34 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on August 11, 2005, 12:26:03 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on August 11, 2005, 01:16:47 PM
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
Please Retro. FMV cut-scenes?
Pffff, I'm sick of FMV...I demand all cutscenes use the ingame engine...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 11, 2005, 01:57:57 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
If Rev is as powerful as the other two systems, I don't think FMV will really be necessary, but I have to admit I really wished for some FMV during the opening sequence of Metroid Prime 2. It was a really cool sequence, but it felt "gamey".
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
Please Retro. FMV cut-scenes?
I'll have you know that the entire intro/flashback portion where Samus views the Federation Trooper records of the Ing attack on the crew&ship was FMV. Starting with the Trooper ship approaching Aether, ending before Samus pays her respects to the fallen Trooper. Of course, the FMV ran at 60fps, which would make it convincing enough to look like in-game footage.
Why was it FMV at all? Realistically, GameCube would not have been able keep a high framerate given all the Troopers and Ing running around.
Post by: IceCold on August 11, 2005, 03:52:39 PM
Post by: stevey on August 11, 2005, 05:07:39 PM
but why when she suitless she still has it on? but she was hurt so badly she need chozo blood.
"Please Retro. FMV cut-scenes?"
but only cool nonstory cutscenes
"I want to know what country Stevey is originally from" "Stevey, out of curiosity, how old are you?"
O_o why who are you?
Post by: mantidor on August 11, 2005, 05:35:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ZM-ending-7.gif
see? two hands,
Post by: nickmitch on August 11, 2005, 06:33:20 PM
I liked the Prime2 FMV and I hopes there's more, some realting to space pirates and Samus' origins.
Post by: mantidor on August 11, 2005, 07:27:01 PM
Im feeling dissapointed.Post by: Spak-Spang on April 13, 2006, 11:08:26 AM
I have been trying to tackle how to design the controls...and additional power ups.
Here is what I have got.
A-Button Missles
B-Weapon
Crosshairs (Change visors)
Hold B down + Crosshairs (Change Weapons)
Now you don't need a button to lock on with free look, and you don't need a button to allow free look so that frees up two buttons. (The final two buttons we have.)
1 will be used for Grappling Beam/Other Suit Options which will be used to a much greater extent this time.
1 will be used for jumps.
(The final two buttons are on the Analog handle, and are used mostly for movement abilities to help mental design of the controller)
Ok, so the grappling button only works when you are targeting a Grapple spot, so that allows that button to be also used for Dashes to evade. What more it will also allow for use to incoporate a missing powerup from this series...the speed boost (or speed boots or whatever)
Once aquired you hold the button down and eventually pick up speed. New Puzzles and Boss battles will of course use this new power.
Scanning with the scan visor works as such. Activate the visor select an item and hold B to start scanning. While you are scanning you can look around the rest of the room...and once it is done the information will pop up.
This opens of the potential for another new upgrade. Multiple Targeting System. (Like Metroid Prime 2's target missles, but now you can scan multiple items at the same time. Again opening up new puzzles and boss battle elements.) The Multiple Targeting System is what allows you to fire multiple missiles now in the game.)
I believe this control scheme completely keeps the gameplay of the original 2 games, and evolves it into something more.
But, hey what about those Grappling Beam thing I said will be more useful. Imagine. Targeting a place to hang, and then easily looking around and shooting your opponent with missiles, or just charged shots. (Again boss battles can use this to get you to target weak points on monsters.) You can even Swing to avoid incoming attacks and fire at the same time.
Now imagine all those options that are designed for SINGLE player elements moved to a Multiplayer arena. It completely works and creates a completely original multiplayer experience.
Now add in a variety a different bounty hunters. The morph ball and other Alt forms. for different characters.
This would be the ultimate online battle experience.
About the Dashing system. With it designed as it is, you can dash forwards, backwards, left, right, and do the same in the air while jumping. This gives you incredible freedom to dodge, evade, and maneuver in ways never available within the game before.
I also hope for move Morph ball powerups and such.
Bombs, Spider Ball, and Super Bombs are nice. But I would like the return of the space ball (for jumping) and more forms of alt attacks.
(PS: Another change I would make is making charged shots slightly heat seeking. Not as great as the missles, but still something to help assist targeting...and make charge shots more valuable.)
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 13, 2006, 11:14:05 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 13, 2006, 11:27:37 AM
I wonder if there is a means around this? Have any ideas?
Post by: Kairon on April 13, 2006, 11:43:56 AM
I'd actually prefer my primary weapon to be on the B-trigger. Since it's a trigger, it's much easier to keep depressed than the A-button. The Revolution controller's shape is such that gripping B should be natural, while I think that pressing A requires slightly more effort and might affect the ergonomics slightly more.... but that's just my non-hands-on opinion.
Hmmm... I really need to take some time later and read through your control scheme Spa-Spa, then perhaps I could come up with my own personal variation. &P
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 13, 2006, 11:48:07 AM
To me the game design starts at the controls of a game, and I love to analysis and create my own ideas.
Love to read yours.
Post by: Kairon on April 13, 2006, 11:52:04 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: trip1eX on April 13, 2006, 12:18:23 PM
Post by: mantidor on April 13, 2006, 12:44:27 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 13, 2006, 01:11:35 PM
B - Primary Weapon
D-Pad - Change Visor/Weapons (Hold B)
Z1 - Missile
Z2 - Morphball
Ideally, I'd think you could do dash maneuvers just by jerking the Revmote in a certain direction, such as through a twisting motion...If that didn't work, then Morphball could be moved to Select and Dash could replace it as Z2...
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 13, 2006, 01:32:18 PM
I personally like having all the movement/suit items on one controller and then the shooting and weapons on the stick.
However, I am sure different control schemes can be made to suit everyone.
The Twisting idea would be great for dashes, but my idea I thought allowed for several different type of dashes to exist and allowed for a Speed Boots powerup and such.
You could also turn the stick completely vertical or something like that to turn into the morphball perhaps...
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 13, 2006, 02:28:10 PM
Post by: Kairon on April 13, 2006, 02:28:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-SpangYou could also turn the stick completely vertical or something like that to turn into the morphball perhaps...
...genius...
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: mantidor on April 13, 2006, 03:17:04 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on April 13, 2006, 07:19:40 PM
too wide to post i believe.
Post by: TMW on April 13, 2006, 07:27:28 PM
This would be like Prine of Persia 2, sacrificing style for Godsmack.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 13, 2006, 07:48:03 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 13, 2006, 07:54:56 PM
Post by: wandering on April 13, 2006, 09:20:35 PM
a - jump
b - fire weapon
shoulder buttons on analog attachment - switch visors, scan, lock on
select - morph ball
edit: here's an interesting case of controls being sacraficed because of the lack of buttons, BTW. Having to cycle through visors could get annoying. And, I don't know what button controls missles, but I assume they'll probably take up one of the d-pad slots which would normally go to another weapon. Though perhaps hand gestures will be used to make up for it: if you could pull back on the controller to 'cancel' special visors or weapons, there'd be no need for a button for your primary weapon, and no need to cycle through 4 visors just to go from your scan visor to your primary one.
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a rough idea of where i'd go with samus' design
too wide to post i believe.
I kind of like it....
Post by: nemo_83 on April 13, 2006, 10:17:24 PM
A button: jump
B button: arm cannon
Dpad: visor/cannon selection, scrolling left to right for combat weaponry, and up and down for elemental or alien aquired weapons
Z1: scan/lock on
Z2: press to toggle dpad between visor and cannon selection
using thumb from analog stick:
X button: map
Y button: ball
Weapons like missiles and grappling beam would be amongst the general combat weaponry; stuff you would start with in deathmatch.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 13, 2006, 10:37:08 PM
I also remember the Midas Glove episode from the C.O.P.S. cartoon.
Post by: TrueNerd on April 13, 2006, 10:43:37 PM
Maybe the controller will have a mic on it and we can just shout "scan visor, plasma beam." And unlike my unruly Nintendog, Samus will do it because her only purpose is to please us.
Post by: wandering on April 14, 2006, 01:16:23 AM
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You're all assuming this game even has different visors and beams, or as many of them as we've previously seen. Maybe the weapons will be like Fusion where your new beam/missile type simply replaced your old one. Maybe the formula of this game will be wildly altered to suit the controller better.
Now I'm going to sound like Ian here, but, the formula shouldn't have to be altered to fit the controller better. At least not when that means limiting functions to match a smaller set of buttons.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 14, 2006, 04:52:19 AM
Remember the demo was limited because it was using code and game mechanics from Prime 2, not being created from the ground up for the Revolution.
I think those small a/b buttons would be great for morphball and map selection. I like the idea of somethings taking a little more time to pull off.
The weapons being changed out...I don't like, unless you are talking about gathering special upgrades for different types of power beams. Like getting the wave beam and then an additional powerup that makes it shooter wider beams.
Post by: mantidor on April 14, 2006, 12:12:02 PM
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Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 14, 2006, 06:34:04 PM
Post by: wandering on April 16, 2006, 12:24:40 AM
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If you nix the lockon functions of the game then you don't have to sacrifice as much.
I hope they don't, though.
On an unrelated note, NEWS! According to Wired, according to an off-hand comment by Matt Cassa-etc, the rev will be playable at E3.
(When that's 'news', you know Nintendo fans are starved. But you know what they say, meals taste better to starving man.)
Post by: TMW on April 16, 2006, 07:57:50 AM
But latley I've started to get the feeling there will be a nice spread of first party titles available.
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Post by: Artimus on April 16, 2006, 12:57:39 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 16, 2006, 12:57:44 PM
The system is coming out THIS year. If Nintendo can't have working demos of most of their launch games at E3 then Nintendo is in trouble. We don't need just a taste...Nintendo needs to have a showing that completely proves the Revolution's controller and concept.
I expect to see quite a few games running and playable.
Metroid Revolution
Smash Brothers Revolution
Red Steel
should all be playable...and perhaps even Mario Revolution and more.
This E3 is going to be huge for Nintendo...it has to be because last year they basically sat out and didn't show anything.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2006, 01:44:19 PM
but I also expect Z:TP to be playable in two different sections of the Nintendo booth, since it is a bait and switch game (bait you into buying the game to play on your GC only to make you switch to Rev to fully enjoy all the features). I foresee Z:TP in the GC section with the wolf sections playable, and also in the Rev section with the fishing section(among others) playable.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 16, 2006, 02:51:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
Uh...the significance of that quote is that Metroid Prime 3 will be playable, not that the Rev will be. Nintendo has already said that REPEATEDLY. We just didn't know if MP3 would be one of the games...
We didn't? I really don't see how anyone would NOT expect to see MP3 playable...
Post by: Artimus on April 16, 2006, 02:59:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: Artimus
Uh...the significance of that quote is that Metroid Prime 3 will be playable, not that the Rev will be. Nintendo has already said that REPEATEDLY. We just didn't know if MP3 would be one of the games...
We didn't? I really don't see how anyone would NOT expect to see MP3 playable...
I said we didn't know, not that we didn't expect it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 16, 2006, 03:40:51 PM
Post by: wandering on April 16, 2006, 08:15:05 PM
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When something is expected 100%, it's pretty much the same thing as knowing... =)
The Bush Doctrine.
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Uh...the significance of that quote is that Metroid Prime 3 will be playable, not that the Rev will be. Nintendo has already said that REPEATEDLY.
ahaha, that's what I meant to say. That mp3 will be playable. Yes.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 17, 2006, 05:42:38 AM
It would be really amazing if the game was practically finished.
I also wonder about Super Smash Brothers Revolution. In one since I am sure they were able to use some of the old code and tweak the balance of the game, adding new levels and characters. The hardest thing to figure out is the control mechanics. Yet, they have a HUGE staff working on this game and Nintendo could be ready to show us something really impressive.
Post by: mantidor on April 17, 2006, 06:10:20 AM
I really would prefer for them to take their time, because I felt echoes a little rushed. The game is very polished and I love it, but the main theme, you know, the echoes part and the echo visor were practically never used, except for some sensors that were nothing more than glorified keys, and the final battle, I had this impression that Nintendo wanted to use the game as a counter-meassure for halo 2 (which really didnt do well at all) and pushed Retro to have the game ready on a time near halo 2's launch.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 17, 2006, 06:38:06 AM
It took Retro TWO WEEKS to implement a likely control scheme in the MP2 demo...
Post by: Kairon on April 17, 2006, 07:27:50 AM
1. Retro had a hand in designing the revolution controller.
Recent Ubi Soft comments have suggested that the controller was shown to thrid parties before E3 3005. This suggests that Retro knew of the controller's capabilities in early 2005, which would give them a 1.5 year spread between then and a speculated Fall 2006 launch.
2. Retro designed the MP2 demo in two weeks.
The control scheme appeared to not weird them out too much.
3. The MP2 demo was internal.
This demo was first known to exist at TGS 2005 in Oct 2005, but Retro did NOT know this demo would be shown publically. It was an internal demo, and it is highly likely that the demo was created much earlier in 2005.
4. The revmote changes everything!
Obviously, Retro will have to re-evaluate their level designs and game design tenets in order to accomodate and challenge the new control scheme, creating new puzzle dynamics, as well as new over-arching gameplay dynamics. For example, will the "lock-on" function exist in MP3? This will evidently take a bit of time to figure out.
5. MP2 Echoes released stateside in Nov '04.
It released in Japan in May '05, but one wonders what they've been at since Nov '04 anyways.
6. Retro helped NST a little with Hunters.
Maybe not a lot, but that may have slowed them down just a day or two...
And who knows what other factors to consider! Yet still, if we're going to construct a timeline, I think we should take all the above and more into account, especially the very specific timeline of the Rev controller's development and Retro's own involvement in that.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 17, 2006, 08:05:32 AM
Going through your points most of them are very positive to the game being more complete than incomplete.
1)I believe the game structure will be very similar to that of Metroid Prime 2 but without the lockon system. Everyone believes this lockon feature is a neccessity to the Adventure part of the game...but I don't see it as such. Scanning, solving puzzles, and determining how to kill enemies is the adventure, and the free hand control actually opens up MORE possibilities not less. And I am sure Retro has had ideas since Metroid Prime that they would have liked to implement but didn't because of limitations of the lockon system.
2)Retro helping NST actually helps them be FURTHER along with the MP3 not less. What I mean is, Retro has been already working with NST and Nintendo to create a free look Metroid experience and a strong Metroid multiplayer experience. In many ways NST's Hunters was the perfect experiment for the bigger MP3's multiplayer experience.
Retro will be impressing all of us with its creation coming soon...I can promise you that.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 17, 2006, 09:16:47 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 17, 2006, 01:24:16 PM
Post by: mantidor on April 17, 2006, 01:40:54 PM
Post by: Nosferat2 on April 17, 2006, 02:00:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I think hoping there are less features in a game is pretty lame...
As do i. But i would rather not have the Multiplayer aspect take away from the Single palyer experience a la MP hunters and Halo 2. I have not played either but i heard various conplaints that the single palyer campaigns blows on both especially on Halo 2.
Give me a New Metroid prime like 1 and 2 but expand on the Multiplayer that was on MP2 without fuking up the real MP3. I will be Lived and have a coniption, be hella pissed, if MP3 is anything less than MP1 and 2. In fact i want it to be bigger and badder than the privious titles as there is more disk space.
OH AND RETRO CAN YOU GIVE US A DAMN ENDING WORTHY OF THE TRILOGY"S FINALE!! THE FIRST TWO ENDING KINDA SUCKED FOR GAMES OF OTHERWISE SUPERB QUALITY.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 17, 2006, 02:07:46 PM
But seriously, Paladin, why all the multiplayer hate?
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 17, 2006, 02:23:07 PM
I don't understand why Retro including Multiplayer would take away from the single player experience. I am all for a robust and enjoyable single player experience. But too much of a game can be well TOO MUCH.
Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime 2 were fantastic in scope. Metroid Prime felt right, but could have had a few more bosses. Metroid Prime 2 felt much better with bosses, but then the scope of the bosses were too big...and I didn't enjoy that as much.
So if we received games of the size and scope of Metroid Prime 1 or 2 and then also had a robust multiplayer mode with online play I think we would be in heaven...and if the Multiplayer mode was not in the game then I would feel Nintendo not only ignored an opportunity to create a new Metroid experience and new online fanbase. (Hey Halo literally defined Xbox, so a Great Metroid online experience would define Revolution)
Post by: Kairon on April 17, 2006, 04:09:26 PM
I'd HATE Metroid as a FPS deathmatch.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on April 17, 2006, 04:26:29 PM
Metroid Hunters singleplayer sucks, doesn't even feel like metroid and was directly sacrificed to make a good multiplayer game.
You tell me where all the multiplayer hate comes from.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 17, 2006, 04:26:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I don't understand why Retro including Multiplayer would take away from the single player experience. I am all for a robust and enjoyable single player experience. But too much of a game can be well TOO MUCH.
I seriously don't see why people would think this...Retro is awesome at the single-player adventure...If needed, they could even get NST to do the multiplayer portion...
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 17, 2006, 05:30:42 PM
Beyond that I have a wife, school, work, and church. My time pushes me away from gaming to the point that I barely have the time to finish a game anymore.
Side Quests are great and mini games are great, but to create a game experience too long or too involved hurts the game in the end.
Look at it this way. A 3 hour movie is good. A 6 hour movie is not good. Now with video games the time spent can be broken to smaller segments, but the same still applies.
Finally, great bands know how to craft an album. You create a unique sound and style for that album and you create songs within that style or theme of the album until you explore all the elements, and end the album. You may have written 25 songs but only 12-15 make it on the album because they are the best songs, and fit the best. If you put too much your songs begin to sound the same and get muddled.
Gaming is the same way. How many times in a single game can you do the EXACT same thing over and over...eventually it gets boring or too much. The experience needs to end. Nintendo has always been great about that. Super Mario 3 had really great suits and that boot thing, and a level of giant enemies...but you only saw the boot in like one single level and it made that level unique and special. The giant world was only a few levels. Nintendo understood that minimalizing is important for the experience.
I want Retro to create the best Metroid Prime 3 they can. I want it to be innovative and blow my mind, but I also want them to create an amazing multiplayer aspect of the game, because the multiplayer I will revisit more than the single player mode. (Specially if the single player mode is a long game.)
And it isn't a good idea to give NST the multiplayer aspect, because the control needs to feel the same in both elements, and if NST is coding the multiplayer aspect then it won't feel exact. Besides, I want to give Retro another chance at Metroid multiplayer because they deserve it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 17, 2006, 06:20:19 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 17, 2006, 06:26:05 PM
But hey that above answer has the reason why I think Multiplayer is important too. It is what is most revisited when I play games, and I enjoy to show people games and let them play...multiplayer modes allow me to do that more than single player modes.
Post by: trip1eX on April 17, 2006, 06:53:28 PM
For me I think it's just going to be easier to get into those types of games. I'll be able to finish 'em, replay 'em more frequently and $20 is alot easier to swallow than $50.
I don't mind if games don't have multiplayer. Honestly it gets a bit generic that every multiplayer game has deathmatch or something. It usually feels tacked on. AT this point in time if you're going to do it then do it right and make it robust because those are the only multiplayer games I'm going to bother with anyway.
Post by: IceCold on April 17, 2006, 08:06:14 PM
QuoteIt was made by NST, and everyone knew a long, long time ago that it was multiplayer-centric. It was even a surprise to see that the single player mode was as long as it was. I'm sure that a Retro Metroid game won't be like that..
Metroid Hunters singleplayer sucks, doesn't even feel like metroid and was directly sacrificed to make a good multiplayer game.
Post by: Knoxxville on April 17, 2006, 08:48:18 PM
Remember how in PSO sometimes you would have to separate to have everyone stand on a "floor key" to unlock a door? It's kinda like that in concept, but I hope that Retro can institude it much less lamer than that.....get REALLY CREATIVE, RETRO!!
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 17, 2006, 09:14:35 PM
Watch The Best of Youth. Freaking excellent six hour movie.
And Metroid should not be co-op, for a variety of reasons. Something like Halo is co-op because it's just bloodshed. Metroid is too complex for co-op.
Plus it's Metroid. I mean, come on.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 17, 2006, 09:23:48 PM
Post by: Kairon on April 17, 2006, 09:50:12 PM
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Post by: Artimus on April 17, 2006, 11:18:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Look at it this way. A 3 hour movie is good. A 6 hour movie is not good. Now with video games the time spent can be broken to smaller segments, but the same still applies.
No, it doesn't still apply. Not in the same way, at least. I agree that 120+ hours is a little ridiculous (and rarely engaging), but games can be very long without being too much. It's like a novel. A 250 page novel can be just as good as a 1500 page novel. But the 1500 isn't inferior.
It's all about balance. A 6 hour movie can be fantastic (someone mentioned Best of Youth, also Angels in America). As can a 1500 page novel. And an 80 hour game. All that matters is what developers decide to do with the time that is given them (speaking of really long, but really great, movies).
Post by: Requiem on April 18, 2006, 03:28:44 AM
Post by: Knoxxville on April 18, 2006, 04:49:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
And Metroid should not be co-op, for a variety of reasons. Something like Halo is co-op because it's just bloodshed. Metroid is too complex for co-op.
Plus it's Metroid. I mean, come on.
And thererin lies my point....it would BE complex on purpose! This would lend itself to going more of the engaging, adventurous route rather than a FPS shoot-everybody-except-you route, see? I mean, hell, it coldn't be anymore complex than Odama is.....Nintendo gamers are a different breed....I believe we could handle it and wrangle out an entirely new experience in the process. All I'm saying is, if they are dead set on multiplayer, let the modes at least try to be as ambitious and unique as the source material.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 18, 2006, 05:16:57 AM
I believe that TP main quest at about 30-40 hours is excelent.
And
Side quests and mini games should take up the rest of the game for more adventure.
Those side quests could include mini dungeons, boss battles what not...but I don't want the game to be my entire life for 100 hours. It would literally take me 3-4 months to beat...if not longer.
Post by: mantidor on April 18, 2006, 05:51:58 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I'd LOVE Metroid Multiplayer.
I'd HATE Metroid as a FPS deathmatch.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
As much as I dont like multiplayer I have to agree with this, the question is how to make a multiplayer "metroid" experience? I like the boss co-op idea, the only bad thing would be that Samus' character would be lowered somehow, because until now she had never needed help from anyone.
How about if a group of players control a gang of space pirates and have to hold a fort or something? or how about controlling a metroid? It would rock with the new controller to manipulate a flying thing.
Post by: Knoxxville on April 18, 2006, 08:02:37 AM
Post by: Requiem on April 18, 2006, 12:46:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
120 TP > 40TP is not what I believe at all.
I believe that TP main quest at about 30-40 hours is excelent.
And
Side quests and mini games should take up the rest of the game for more adventure.
Those side quests could include mini dungeons, boss battles what not...but I don't want the game to be my entire life for 100 hours. It would literally take me 3-4 months to beat...if not longer.
It would be like building a wagon. After the months pass, you'll be pleased with your shiny new red wagon that you....yes you....built yourself.
Aren't you proud?
Aren'y you proud of yourself?
Too bad you don't have anyone to pull the wagon....
Post by: wandering on April 19, 2006, 01:34:07 AM
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I don't want the game to be my entire life for 100 hours. It would literally take me 3-4 months to beat...if not longer.
If it's good, what on earth is wrong with that? I like good experiences to last as long as possible! Is that weird?
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 19, 2006, 05:36:29 AM
Video Games is a hobby.
If it takes too long even a good game, I won't finish.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on April 19, 2006, 09:46:08 AM
Post by: wandering on April 19, 2006, 07:26:06 PM
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What is wrong with that? I have a life...and it isn't video games.
Video Games is a hobby.
If it takes too long even a good game, I won't finish.
Yeah, I have a life too, I just don't see what that has to do with anything. When you get a new game, you have to beat it within a certain timeframe? Why? You've been playing Zelda for years, yes? What's wrong with spending a few months on one especially good chapter of the series?
Post by: Kairon on April 19, 2006, 07:34:14 PM
If candy tastes good, I'll eat it. I don't care how small or how big it is, or even if I can only eat half of it. Sweet is sweet. Fun is fun.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 20, 2006, 07:32:24 AM
Because there are several games I want to play.
Ok. lets run through. I want to play New Mario, Legend of Zelda, Red Steel, Super Smash Brothers Revolution, Zelda DS, Metroid Prime Revolution.
Those are just the games I think are coming out this year...and I may potentially have many more games I want to play.
Right now I am already limited to how many games I can buy. (Probably 4-5) Of those games, if one is so long that it takes me 1/4 of a year to beat with my schedule then I will probably NEVER FINISH IT. That is a problem. Or it means I will only buy 3 games so I can beat all of them.
Right now I think I have 3-4 games in my collection I enjoyed and really loved the game, but I have never beaten it because I got distracted with other games. Some of them include really amazing games you would think everyone would finish.
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2006, 08:12:21 AM
Better to have gamed and lost than to have never gamed at all.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 20, 2006, 08:44:22 AM
Really, it is just a matter of opinon on game length. I dunno why I let it get outta hand with my opinion.
I guess I just wanted to explain myself. Still, I do believe that Nintendo was on to something when they talked about most gamers are not even finishing games anymore.
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2006, 08:48:47 AM
I've finished a couple DS games, but if you look at my GC purchases, then I haven't finished a game since... uh... Pikmin? That can't be right, I hve to have finished more than that during the GC's entire lifespan! ...Does Donkey Konga count as finished?
And since the DS games I finished and LURV on with all my heart were short ones (Phoenix Wright, Sprung)... Hmmm...
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 20, 2006, 08:56:34 AM
Bomerman Generations
Metroid Prime
Geist
Ikarugi (Well this one is completely acceptable)
Mario Golf Mushroom Tour (Does this count?)
SSX3 (I haven't beaten all of Peak 3 with even one character)
Mario Kart DS (I haven't completed the missions, or Mirror mode)
Can't think of the others right now.
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2006, 09:02:54 AM
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Post by: Requiem on April 20, 2006, 09:13:08 AM
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2006, 09:23:45 AM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2006, 09:41:44 AM
Quoteyou don't want to see my list of unfinished games, my list of "un-played*" games is multiple times longer than your "un-finished" games
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
A list of games I haven't finished and own:
Bomerman Generations
Metroid Prime
Geist
Ikarugi (Well this one is completely acceptable)
Mario Golf Mushroom Tour (Does this count?)
SSX3 (I haven't beaten all of Peak 3 with even one character)
Mario Kart DS (I haven't completed the missions, or Mirror mode)
Can't think of the others right now.
. I own around 50+ GC games!!I honestly can't remember the last time I've actually finished a game... I think it was Twin Snakes and that was back when it came out.
QuoteThats more than good enough for me, If I have a game that I know I'm not gonna beat(mostly cause I lost interest or just didn't have the time), I'll let my friends kids borrow it and tell them to call me when they get to the end of the game. I watch them beat it and I feel that that was good enough. Its seems like I just buy videogames nowadays to keep them occupied more than for me to actually play games.
Originally posted by: Kairon
I...watched my younger brother play virtually the entire game and beat it... doesn't that count?
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*by un-played I mean some are un-opened by me and others I've only played enough to get through the opening game-playing intro(like the first level or training mission).
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 20, 2006, 09:44:08 AM
Post by: Kairon on April 20, 2006, 09:46:25 AM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 20, 2006, 09:56:26 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 20, 2006, 09:12:03 PM
Post by: EasyCure on April 22, 2006, 08:06:51 PM
i played a new one everyday (except MP2, i knew that was one to give a little more attention to) and just tried to balance them all at once. MegaMan was easy becuase 1 and 2 i could beat in no time, so i'd do speed runs and switch to another game. Like i'd clean up a precinct in True Crimes, then complete one stage in Geist. Then i'd play thru megaman x3 and want to break something because it was only the second time i ever got to play it, then back to true crimes or geist.
granted i dont have a wife or go to school....so th ere is sometimes away from the gf and when not working, before or after work, that i could devote a little more time to gaming. but i see your point. actually as of today i havent beaten megaman x6 (HORRIBLE...), geist or mp2. with the latter two games, i actually am up to the final boss' but just havent bothered picking them up. i think i had video game over kill and now i spend more time playing guitar and the occasional smash bros.
and back to the topic of revolution controlls for MP3:
i always thought of playing it this way:
A- jump
B- arm cannon
the d-pad would be versatile in that there woudl be different modes of use for it, though it might be complex...
this is how i see it though
D-pad (standard) up: grapple beam/left: morph ball/down: missiles/right:.....??
hold z2+d-pad: visors
hold z1+d-pad: weapons
though after reading so many post about lock on, my method sucks. i thought i could fix it by saying it would be possible to lock on by moving the revmote towards the screen. that would make extend samus arm straight towards the selected opponent to focus (lock-on) the target. it would make sense because i imagine samus holding her arm cannon at a slightly more relaxed; arm down, elbow bent, cannon facing forward. it would seem intuitive that if you would want to improve precision you would full extend your arm so that your elbow wouldnt be bent while aiming, thus locking on to the opponent in your reticule.
i dunno, i dont like my idea anymore
Post by: Knoxxville on April 23, 2006, 06:21:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Wandering and maybe Kairon:
Because there are several games I want to play.
Ok. lets run through. I want to play New Mario, Legend of Zelda, Red Steel, Super Smash Brothers Revolution, Zelda DS, Metroid Prime Revolution.
Those are just the games I think are coming out this year...and I may potentially have many more games I want to play.
Right now I am already limited to how many games I can buy. (Probably 4-5) Of those games, if one is so long that it takes me 1/4 of a year to beat with my schedule then I will probably NEVER FINISH IT. That is a problem. Or it means I will only buy 3 games so I can beat all of them.
Right now I think I have 3-4 games in my collection I enjoyed and really loved the game, but I have never beaten it because I got distracted with other games. Some of them include really amazing games you would think everyone would finish.
This might be a little OT, but what you wrote right here, Spak-Spang, is the one of the biggest reasons why I feel we are rocketing toward another videogame industry crash that will make Atari's crash in the 80's seem pale by comparison. Add this to increased used games sales and so many multiconsole releases and it's eventually going to equal disaster. Just take a hard look around the next time you go to a game store and peep ALLLLLLL the used games that are slowly but surely selling for next to nothing and how quickly new game prices get slashed mere weeks after release if demand does not meet supply.
The good news is, I can't WAIT for the "buy 1, get 10 free" sales late in this decade! JEEYEAH!!
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 23, 2006, 01:07:42 PM
It will be better than webslinging, mark my words
Post by: mantidor on April 23, 2006, 01:40:58 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 23, 2006, 02:05:13 PM
Seconded. I finish every single game I play, often to 100% completion (or as close as is humanly possible).
Only game I currently own that I haven't finished is Fire Emblem, which I'm saving for summer, and I'm already partway through it.
SHAME :p
Post by: Kairon on April 23, 2006, 02:37:34 PM
At a certain point, I can learn more about narratives and stories and real human experiences by watching a 2 hour netflix movie than from subjecting myself to a game which I've absorbed oodles of info from already and bear little or no enthusiasm for.
This is about my quest for knowledge, not my quest for "most finished games" recognition.
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: mantidor on June 05, 2006, 12:58:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: mantidor
I've been thinking that releasing the grapple beam as if it was a whip could be really cool.
Retro Loves me
So, new videos!, the visuals are looking great, and I like that bit where Samus was going through a rail path using the grapple bean, but it lacked detail to be honest and the animation of Samus was a bit stiffy, but overall Im very happy with what I saw.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 05, 2006, 01:07:33 PM
Oh, about the GI videos.
60MB for 2.5min of footage at 15fps is shittee.
Post by: mantidor on June 05, 2006, 01:39:02 PM
Samus coming out from below the ship rather than above is weird, I didnt like it that much in fusion or now in corruption, nothing is as cool as Samus doing an double jump when she gets out of the ship with the traditional fanfare appearance song.
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 05, 2006, 01:40:10 PM
I have been very impressed with what I have been shown.
Responding to those that comment on me completing games:
Besides the comments about time, I also get easily distracted. Usually I get a single game at a time, until I beat it...because if I get more than one most likely I won't beat the game, but instead get completely distracted by the other game...sometimes I go back, sometimes I don't.
This happens also if I stop the game for a period of time because school, work, life in general.
I guess its just a flaw of mine.
Post by: KnowsNothing on June 05, 2006, 01:43:09 PM
I know Ian will hate it, but I think it's pretty cool that Samus gets to interact with Galactic Federation troops and stuff like that. The bounty-hunter side hasn't really been explored yet, and while I don't want there to be TOO much of it, it's cool to see it acknowleged and included. I'm sure later on in the game you'll be alone on other planets. I can't say I'm too fond of the idea of other bounty hunters, but whatever, as long as it's fun.
I would like to see a video of expert mode though....That was pretty sluggish =\
Post by: Ian Sane on June 05, 2006, 02:32:30 PM
Ah, whatever. I'm just so happy they're still making "real" Metroid games. I was really scared that Metroid Prime Hunters was going to be the template for future titles what with the remote's design supposedly being perfect for first person shooters.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 05, 2006, 03:15:39 PM
There's no excuse for jumpy framerates with today's technology.
Post by: ShyGuy on June 05, 2006, 03:20:56 PM
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There's no excuse for jumpy framerates with today's technology.
Unless your making a game called Too Human
Post by: Fro on June 05, 2006, 04:00:20 PM
The reason that video looks a little stilted is Game Informer encoded it at 15 fps. The actual game is 60 fps.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 05, 2006, 07:07:11 PM
And no, don't be lenient on Too Human.
Post by: attackslug on June 05, 2006, 08:01:59 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on June 05, 2006, 11:13:50 PM
edit: i thought all the videos were new. damn, you got my hopes up.
the nunchuck's accelorometers are on their way to gimm!ckville, it really sounds un-intuitive. they should allow the player to use the remote to control the grapple beam (just make it a beam already) and the levers where you pull and turn and push.
Post by: wandering on June 05, 2006, 11:32:17 PM
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the nunchuck's accelorometers are on their way to gimm!ckville, it really sounds un-intuitive. they should allow the player to use the remote to control the grapple beam (just make it a beam already) and the levers where you pull and turn and push.
but...beams aren't switchable in this game...
Post by: nemo_83 on June 05, 2006, 11:43:44 PM
Why is Japan trying to make this so complicated, it should be fairly simple to put a shooter on this controller. They talk a lot about streamlining and all they do is make it more complex, even the GameInformer editor, a person who makes their living playing games, had trouble playing in the videos. I've been a real supporter of this new interface and very much so because of how poorly the first two Metroid Prime games controlled; it is disheartening for this thing to have turned out so bass-ackwards.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 06, 2006, 12:09:09 AM
Post by: mantidor on June 06, 2006, 04:51:45 AM
Seriously, how is stacking beams more complicated than having to change between them?
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 06, 2006, 05:23:23 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: nemo_83
Why is Japan trying to make this so complicated, it should be fairly simple to put a shooter on this controller. They talk a lot about streamlining and all they do is make it more complex, even the GameInformer editor, a person who makes their living playing games, had trouble playing in the videos. I've been a real supporter of this new interface and very much so because of how poorly the first two Metroid Prime games controlled; it is disheartening for this thing to have turned out so bass-ackwards.
Post by: EasyCure on June 06, 2006, 07:51:22 AM
1. where the hell has Nemo been that he's missed all this MP3 info?
and..
2. Samus uses grapple beam to ride a rail like some sort of roller coaster
Post by: mantidor on June 06, 2006, 08:12:16 AM
Post by: Requiem on June 06, 2006, 08:29:35 AM
the ship did two things: blow up a wall, and carry an object away
After watching that, I feel the need to play this before I play Zelda.
Post by: Smoke39 on June 06, 2006, 05:48:50 PM
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Originally posted by: EasyCure
2. Samus uses grapple beam to ride a rail like some sort of roller coaster
Cool! I wanna play. D:
Post by: Requiem on June 06, 2006, 06:50:49 PM
I don't know if anybody saw it, but if you look at that giant beast thing (that kinda looks like a rhino), it is being controlled by Samus in her ball form. You can see her rolled up inside the things belly!
Post by: wandering on June 06, 2006, 08:51:54 PM
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Why is Japan trying to make this so complicated
Metroid is actually made in a whole 'nother country (TM)....
Anyway, saw the trailer. Technologically, I'm not sure it looks that much better than Halo 2 and the like. Visually, it's looking pretty darn good. Like most metroid videos/demos, it focuses too much on action for my taste, but some moments were really awe-inspiring.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 07, 2006, 02:42:40 AM
Japan are the ones who make decisions on things like controls, otherwise the first two games would have had optional shooter controls.
In MP2, in the fight with the emperor Ing, I have to stop to press the right trigger to be able to look up so that I can then lock-on with the other trigger, then try and strafe while I charge a shot holding down the A button, meanwhile I have to press the clunky B button (that thing never feels like it clicks) very very quickly to be able to jump while side stepping, and then accidently press X turning to ball mode as I reach for Y trying combine my charged beam with my missiles. Worst controls ever in a video game I swear to god, especially when the boss is fifty foot tall and Samus looks up about as fast as molasses in December. It's a shame such a polished game controls like it is playing on the N64.
In order to do all the above in the fight and succeed, I have to shift my right hand after locking on so my index finger is hitting B while my middle finger charges A and hopefully hits Y when I want. The game really out does Luigi's Mansion in forcing me to contort my hand and hold the pad in ways it was not meant to be.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 07, 2006, 03:39:32 AM
If it was just up to Japan, there wouldn't be a nunchaku attachment in the first place.
Get with the program.
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I SEE YOU ADDED MORE TO YOUR POST.
You, and Ian. You both perceive the Emperor Ing fight to be harder than it really is. Your FAILURE in TACTICS forces your limited strategy to over-depend and thus over-burden the control scheme. Plus, accidentally changing into the Morph Ball? Now you're making yourself sound clumsy (I'd like to visit thesaurus.com, but i already know it'll say something that starts with an I and ends with Competent).
Must I capture video and draw diagrams to illustrate what to do in that fight? and no, there's no silly struggling with the controls involved, either.
Post by: mantidor on June 07, 2006, 05:13:58 AM
Its good to hear that we get the screw attack early in this game.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 07, 2006, 05:21:16 AM
Also it would help if Samus didn't move like she weight seven tons.
And the screw attack is ridiculous. I wish they would take that out of MP3 so bad it hurts. I hate it, half the time I just bounce off into an abyss or the bitch won't wall jump. I hate it, I hate the way it controls, I hate the rhythm, I hate that it works when I don't want it to and never works right when I need it, I hate they hardly explained how it worked and I was stuck in that godforsaken room for forever before I got out by tricking the game to thinking I had fallen to my death from the other platform, and I just wish they would give her a rocket pack that allows you to just fly the third time you press jump.
Post by: mantidor on June 07, 2006, 05:51:24 AM
Post by: EasyCure on June 07, 2006, 07:15:14 AM
in a shooter like Red Steel on the other hand, where you use automatic weapons in the beginning and can simply hold the B button to unload a round in to a crowd of lackeys, it makes more sense for the trigger button to be use. also keep in mind that Ubisoft keeps stating that you'll be shooting wildly in the beginning of the game because you'll have to, and as the game progresses and you get used to the controls, youll be pulling off more precise shots, which means less time on the trigger. that also means that even if you arent getting used to the aiming in the game, you're being forced to get better only becuase you'll have fewer rounds to shoot off.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 07, 2006, 08:16:47 AM
The game is hard for all the wrong reasons, Samus has to have so much life because she can't get the hell out of the way (or you speed into the enemies feet in ball form losing half a bar trying move out of the way faster). I don't want to fight cheap bosses that spin around with seven tenticles I can't lock onto cause they are moving too fast. I want artificial intelligence to challenge me rather than the controller. This game is the poster boy for everything wrong with current pads, Nintendo got some funny thought that dual analog control was too complicated, and they came up with the solution to force players to hold buttons to be able to look sacrificing the ability to run while you discover the bad guy is just too damn high above you because Samus has trouble looking straight up. And they did it because...they wanted A and B to be used?
It's like in Fzero, the default controls suck; I set gas to one trigger, boost to the other, steering to one stick, and the drift/slide or whatever you want to call it to the c stick so I have full control. Thankyou Sega, for allowing me to customize my controls, you rock.
Post by: mantidor on June 07, 2006, 08:37:28 AM
Still, Once Samus is locked she can dash left and right (and tapping the buttons is not that hard seriously), and in corruption theres even a hypermode that looks awesome. Samus simply can't be as agile as in the 2D games, but I'd love to be proved wrong of course.
And your bitching about the screw attack scapes comprehension, I admit the wall jump is lame because is limited to specific surfaces, but the screw attack itself is the best translation Ive seen from a 2D move to a 3D move, It works exactly like the 2D counterpart given the obvious limits that 3D impose on the attack.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 07, 2006, 08:47:26 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on June 07, 2006, 10:34:05 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
she can dash left and right (and tapping the buttons is not that hard seriously)
I never got that down. More often than not I end up just jumping up in the enemy's face.
Post by: Requiem on June 07, 2006, 11:14:00 AM
Hold left - Press B
Hold right - Press B
It's ridiculously easy. I think your trying to do a simultaneous left + B thing-a-ma-bob, which just doesn't work.
I bet you play alot of street fighter or something like that.
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 07, 2006, 11:43:02 AM
Still excited, just doubtful about certain things. We'll see.
Post by: Kairon on June 07, 2006, 11:46:00 AM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 07, 2006, 12:43:15 PM
I expressed my doubts, but I think that Metroid Prime 3 will be just as good (possibly better?) than the first two Metroid Primes.
I'm just not absolutely certain. This trailer cast a few doubts, but nothing major. That and I've only watched it once anyway.
Post by: Wackman on June 07, 2006, 12:54:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
Anyone else totally underwhelmed by the new trailer? Looks way too much like some corny superhero F-Zero sh!t is getting in there. The gameplay trailers look fine, for the most part, but some of that new one looked really crappy, to me.
Still excited, just doubtful about certain things. We'll see.
well, other than the fact that samus runs/walks like she just crapped her pants, it looks inetresting to me. I was getting a bit bored with the prime series to be hounest and i was hoping for a bit of a change.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 07, 2006, 02:53:10 PM
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ABOUT sidestep-dashing: First requirement: must be locked-on to something. Second, you TAP B. Not simply "press B," you TAP B-button to initiate the dash. Having trouble with this? Go back to the Parasite Queen fight in Prime1 for practice. Hell, practice locking on to the security poles at the beginning of the stage.
Causing the dash versus the normal floaty jump is a matter of how long the B-button is completely down to complete its input circuit. This dates back to Super Smash Bros. Melee, Mario 64, Mario World, and even the original Super Mario Bros. -- Tap your jump button ever-so-lightly, ever-so-quickly to barely hop; Hold the jump button longer to cause a more elevated jump. In the Prime games, it's not a hop, but a quick dash; holding Jump any longer causes the normal jump.
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ABOUT Prime2's Screw Attack: I agree the game does a poor job of explaining the mechanics.
The timing of the B-button is dependent on the relative elevation of her bounce. There's a ceiling and a minimum floor to maitain. Constantly pressing B doesn't work. Pressing B near the top of a bounce doesn't work. Pressing B beyond a certain elevation drop in her bounce doesn't work.
If I remember correctly, pressing B after your 2nd jump causes Samus to *fall* as she curls into a ball, then you press B again to initiate the first bounce...
The ideal timing creates the bouncing-ball trajectory. Climbs up a little, falls a little, Jump -- and repeat. The game recreates this effect well, and if I'm not mistaken it's actually slower and easier than in SUPER METROID. Hell, if you know how to maintain flight with the Yellow Cape in Super Mario World, you ALREADY have the timing down!
Find a nice big gap with a bottomless pit in Sanctuary Fortress to practice.
Oh yeah, the Screw Attack in Prime2 has 3 uses:
1) Traversing wide gaps
2) Wall jumping
3) FIGHTING EMPEROR ING, PHASE 1
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PRO'S mICROSOFT pAINT GUIDE TO FIGHTING EMPEROR ING, PHASE 1 COMING UP.
[and I extend my thanks out to people who already know how to play the game]
Post by: Caliban on June 07, 2006, 03:20:56 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Oh yeah, the Screw Attack in Prime2 has 3 uses:
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3) FIGHTING EMPEROR ING, PHASE 1
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Uh, really? Hm, it never came to my mind using it on E-Ing's 1st form, yet I still beat it easily just by running and jumping around.
I've watched that new video twice, my impression is that the game is shaping up quite nicely, the only thing I regret is that I will have to wait until launch day or so to play the damn game.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 11, 2006, 11:29:17 PM
SPOILERS BELOW
YES, THERE ARE SPOILERS
TURN BACK NOW
THERE ARE PICTURES, DO NOT LOOK AT THEM
THERE'S SPOILERS, mKAY?
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~ A Guide to Beating Emperor Ing, Phase 1 (cuz it's easier than some people believe) ~
1. Here's an overhead view of the arena.
The fight starts off with Samus in the middle of one side, the Emperor is already facing you, and the Emperor can easily reach one wall.
2. Here's a cross-sectional view, with the typical standoff scenario.
We know we're supposed to target the tips of the tentacles (sorry, no schoolgirls here), and we know aiming directly up is bad for combat since the angular speed of aiming slows down as you get more vertical, plus you're stationary during manual aim. Sure, people complained about it BLAH BLAH BLAH WAH WAH WAH, but the CONTROLS AREN'T REALLY THE PROBLEM, just the people =D
What's MORE significant is Samus's position relative to the tentacles. Here, you're within the Emperor's REACH, and he can slap you around EASILY. So WHY ON AETHER would you insist on standing there, struggling with your aim, giving the Emperor the upper hand literally, giving him the advantage?
I know aiming 'up' is hard, and I'm sure Retro knew this too. But look at all that space BEHIND THE EMPEROR! Wouldn't be nice to go over there, escape his reach for once and attack from a BETTER ANGLE? THEN DO IT.
3. USE THE F-ING SCREW ATTACK.
Why sooo many people didn't realize how useful it is escapes me. Use the Screw Attack to quickly, safely travel just past Empy and land on the other side of the arena.
- When in-flight, Samus will NOT take any damage. At the worst, Empy might slap you or bump into you, causing the Screwing to stop, and you're forced to land. This is an advantage over the Morph Ball since you can still get tossed and hurt while in Ball form.
- When in-flight, there's a very very slim chance you'll hit a tentacle and damage it. Chances are slim because the tentacles tend not to receive damage in the middle of performing an attack. Don't expect to use the Screw Attack for directly offensive purposes.
- Upon landing, the game automatically turns you around so you're directly facing the Emperor.
- Based on how you timed your jumps, you might land on the Phazon bordering the arena. BIG DEAL. I'd rather land on the Phazon than get smacked with a direct hit from Empy.
In addition to all that, Empy will often attack you during your flight, and MISS...
4. Empy's attack missed, you've landed, you're facing him, and you see he's NOT facing you.
With the additional distance between Samus and the tentacles, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AIM SO HIGH. The angle is much gentler, and you can probably see all the tentacles grouped together within your visor without having to look up. But if you wish to aim higher, you now have MORE TIME to aim, since it'll take up to a second for Empy to completely turn around -- but you'll already be locked-on by then.
I happen to ONLY use Seeker Missiles to strike the tentacles (save the other ammo for later). I usually try to get multiple locks (via manual aim) while Empy is turning around. If you were short on time and he's already facing you, try to get a couple locks on, fire a burst, and relocate using the Screw Attack. Using the L-trigger's click can pickup more Seeker locks if the targets are within the visor's range. Don't waste time trying to lock on to all 5 tentacles -- you should leave the scene before he attacks -- and you KNOW when he's going to attack cuz this is a Nintendo game so you'll SEE and HEAR the cues that signal he's setting up for an attack.
5. You've taken out the tentacles, and now you're trying to strike the Core.
I simply use charged-up Annihilator shots. There's plenty of ammo to go around, it does decent damage, and it releases much faster than Super Missiles/Missile Combos.
You should strafe in the opposite direction that the Core rotates, AND you should be taking advantage of Sidestep-Dashes to quickly reach the openings. The Side-Dash is something you should've LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO in METROID PRIME, cuz it was useful during the Meta-Ridley fight, and it's also useful when dealing with Torvus' Glenchers/Grenchlers/whatever they are (it's much more effective to confront them head-on than to try to attack from a distance).
It's "ok" to use Sonic Booms, you just have to be good enough to pull them off properly. The problem with Missile Combos is they take longer to release, and they give you another button to fumble with in the middle of all the strafing and side-dashing. Simple charged shots are straightforward, easier to time, and easier to control.
After all that, REPEAT. If you don't believe me and are too lazy to try it yourself, PM me and I'll link you a video that shows all this.
Your ammo and health shouldn't be too much to worry about cuz you can get it all back in PHASE 2. Just clear out some of the 'eyes' and reserve a little area for yourself. Roll in a little circle or triangle, dropping standard bombs at regular intervals. The mushy globby Darklings will come around, get killed, and leave behind lots and lots of replenishments. Phase 2 is simply your chance to recover before moving on to Phase 3!
Post by: nemo_83 on June 12, 2006, 01:36:20 AM
the boss fight only highlights everything wrong with the controls, it's like they designed the fight so that is was counterintuitive to everything about the mechanics they had designed (it's like the boss was made to take advantage of all the weaknesses of the controls rather than making them make sense, which is just a suicidal idea). i held my tongue most of the way through the game because even though the controls were archaic the usual enemy's attacks were nothing but an annoyance. i always gave the game the benefit of the doubt that they kept the crap controls because they made sense for the ending, that you had to have these complexities to defeat the boss, but in reality the boss would be easier with just about any other first person game's controls, especially the much more intuitive and simple (and hence its success) Halo. in the end MP's control scheme is a g1mmick, a brick wall keeping players from having fun, and its only purpose is to make the game different. i don't want different for the purpose of being different. i want what freakin works best even if it means making a whole new controller. i don't want to curse loudly and have to hold myself back from ripping the GameCube pad in half.
i've said it before but the challenge of the game should be the puzzles. look at the old Metroid or Zelda on NES, very very simple, two buttons, but those games are still a challenge and the reason is you have to search and solve puzzles. Prime should stick to that path and expand upon it with much much much more AI (i don't feel Nintendo's AI has increased much from their first games, the enemies are still based soley on, hit me with x beam when i expose my butt). the challenge should be in the game design and not in controlling the character in 3D.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 12, 2006, 02:01:06 AM
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i don't want to curse loudly and have to hold myself back from ripping the GameCube pad in half.
Then don't hype yourself up on red cordial and Dragonball Z before you switch on the game.
Post by: Mario on June 12, 2006, 02:02:11 AM
The controls weren't archaic, normal FPS controls from 1991 would be archaic, not the 2002-introduced Metroid Prime control scheme. You're just trolling there.
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in the end MP's control scheme is a g1mmick, a brick wall keeping players from having fun, and its only purpose is to make the game different.
No it's purpose is to make you feel like Samus, one it does very well according to the entire world.
... and for the last time, it's not an FPS, it's Metroid. Also Pro's post is perfect
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 12, 2006, 03:10:45 AM
- you tried to read my guide, and it's apparent you understood none of it
"any time you do hit them he performs the most sick cheap crap spinning around slapping you with his phalices"
- you need to learn to JUMP. Better yet, Screw Attack to completely dodge that and many other wonderful attacks. Again, already mentioned in the 'guide'.
"the screw attack is as worthless as the targeting; i only end up taking a bath in phazon"
- you know, you could cut the Screw Attack short by pressing the Jump button one less time, which is completely within your control. But you seem to not like the Phazon so much you'd rather get slapped by the phalices -- also addressed in the 'guide'.
"but in reality the boss would be easier with just about any other first person game's controls"
- let's apply Dual-Analog controls. The situation doesn't change significantly. So you can freely aim and move at the same time? Very nice. Yet you still move around at Samus's walking speed, you're still running around beneath the tentacles, he can still reach you, and you're right where he wants you. Given the proximity of the tentacles, the angle of spread amonst the tentacles are still wide enough to warrant considerable aiming time for each of them, especially when they don't all fit within your visor's view. However, on your duey-analogy scheme, you'll have to worry about aiming, moving, beam weapons, missles, and jumping for dodg-- OH WAIT, I THINK WE RAN OUT OF THUMBS. You're still in a dangerous position, you're still waiting to get slapped, and you still need a means of escaping if you wish to not get slapped (every attack is preceded by a specific shriek or sound. get. a. clue. If you DON'T want to get hit, DON'T stick around.). Even with different controls, it STILL boiled down to tactics. How do you get more tentacles/targets to fit within your view? Distance yourself. How do you effectively distance your self? Screw Attack. How do you dodge [blank] attack? Get the hell outta there. How do you effectively get the hell outta there? Screw Attack.
Master Chef's gonna have a tough time without that nifty Chozo-Lumi technology. It's not impossible... but if I can take care of that boss phase without losing more than half a bar of health, something is obviously lacking in the other school of thought.
"look at the old Metroid or Zelda on NES, very very simple, two buttons, but those games are still a challenge and the reason is you have to search and solve puzzles"
- 3D Nintendo bosses have been their own kind of puzzles since say, Mario64. Even the Boost Guardian -- he's hard because... he's hard and your life is draining the entire fight -- yeah that fight was "unfair" [only a bit] but all the design traits of a puzzly-boss are there. There are FREE windows of opportunity, and other windows you have to figure out and trigger for yourself.
You just failed to identify them.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 12, 2006, 04:55:33 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 12, 2006, 12:39:39 PM
Screw attack is awkward, and only useful in certain circumstances, but it's still easy to execute. Also, I beat Emperor Ing Phase 1 with no trouble whatsoever, and I didn't use the screw attack. I used a standard beam weapon.
Also, screw attack can destroy small enemies in one hit. Very useful on those damn holographiky robots in Sanctuary.
Back to the trailer, I watched it again, a few times. It looks much better than I recall, but some parts still concern me. Mainly the girl bounty hunter (?) tagging along. Friends in Metroid? NO THANKS. Plus she looks like she's ripped straight from Halo.
That's my only concern but it's really pissing me off.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 12, 2006, 01:05:40 PM
Post by: Ceric on June 12, 2006, 06:21:53 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 12, 2006, 08:56:19 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: nemo_83 on June 13, 2006, 03:59:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
That's just because you suck at games, nemo. I had no trouble whatsoever on the final boss, or at any point in the game. It controls brilliantly, much better than crap dual analogue FPS games, everything from dashing to changing beams to screw attack. It's so simple.
Screw attack is awkward, and only useful in certain circumstances, but it's still easy to execute. Also, I beat Emperor Ing Phase 1 with no trouble whatsoever, and I didn't use the screw attack. I used a standard beam weapon.
Also, screw attack can destroy small enemies in one hit. Very useful on those damn holographiky robots in Sanctuary.
Back to the trailer, I watched it again, a few times. It looks much better than I recall, but some parts still concern me. Mainly the girl bounty hunter (?) tagging along. Friends in Metroid? NO THANKS. Plus she looks like she's ripped straight from Halo.
That's my only concern but it's really pissing me off.
there is nothing wrong with my skills. the problem, as Nintendo has confirmed by changing everything about their controller, is that the game controls like complete ass. and the final boss fight is piss poorly designed (which makes no sense because there were so many other interesting bosses in the game).
those of you who are so in love with the Cube control set up are es-oh-el because Nintendo is completely changing it. face it, part of the reason MP2 sold like a turd compared to Halo 2 is because the game just isn't fun. the media didn't have fun, thus the reviews were, meh. the only reason i played it is because i respected the first Prime's puzzles and bosses.
Post by: Ceric on June 13, 2006, 05:29:11 AM
I don't like MP:2. I just don't it was neat but it got old quick. Messed up on my Cube and know I'm stuck at the underwater boss fight where everytime I die I have to go through a big long puzzle to get back. Great Design there Retro. It's more then a little annoying and killed the somewhat minute want that I still had to beat the game.
Post by: mantidor on June 13, 2006, 06:04:34 AM
do you really believe that? the remote is not confirmation of anything, this is nonsense
"those of you who are so in love with the Cube control set up are es-oh-el because Nintendo is completely changing it."
Well, duh? its a new controller of course they'll change it :|, if it was GC 2 instead of Wii the control setup would be identical, theres no doubt about it. Echoes wasnt the reason Nintendo decided to use gyros and pointing devices at all.
" face it, part of the reason MP2 sold like a turd compared to Halo 2 is because the game just isn't fun. the media didn't have fun, thus the reviews were, meh."
WTF?
seriously WTF!?
Your arguments hold no ground, accept you just suck at the game and move on :P
EDIT:
I missed this
" I like the first prime but the very last boss was a serious let down especially considering how annoying the level itself was."
The final boss was fantastic, the sign of a great final boss is that it makes you use all your abilities, and this one did that perfectly. Metroid Prime (the creature) is among my top five bosses of all ltime.
And the only annoying thing about the emperor ing was the parts when he didnt open his mouth, the rest was great, and it made you use almost all your abilities, even an extensive use of the morphball.
Post by: Ceric on June 13, 2006, 06:36:28 AM
I just felt the MP:1 the finally boss just wasn't hard enough compared to the some of the others.
Post by: mantidor on June 13, 2006, 06:43:49 AM
Out of all the 3D metroids, and from what Ive seen in corruption, the closest to the 2D ones is echoes, not only the mini bosses and bosses, and the difficulty, but is also the most eerie and creepy with tentacles going out of the walls and stuff like that. The others are too shiny and metalic, the dont feel very metroid-ish.
Post by: Ceric on June 13, 2006, 06:52:16 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 13, 2006, 11:06:05 AM
Also, I doubt Nintendo came up with the Wii controller just because the Metroid Prime controls weren't flawless. (I'd also point out that most of the people who demo'd the game said it needed improvement, and that they felt more comfortable with the old control scheme; at least for the default setup).
Post by: nemo_83 on June 13, 2006, 12:37:59 PM
for comparison, people still play the jesus out of Halo 2...that cannot be said for MP2 after people beat it. MP2 was respected for its Zelda-esque-ness but reviewers never claimed the game to be genius. look back at EGM, Halo 2 was the game that got the killer reviews while the MP2 reviews complained of the complicated dual world system and controls which had not improved any.
you guys are being ridiculous making attacks on my skills. you're doing nothing but forfeiting your argument by making unfounded attacks at me; you say i suck, but all i hear is, "we're out of counters." you act like you made the game. get over the fact it is not the immaculate masterpiece you convinced yourself it was during the two year Nintendrought.
Post by: wandering on June 13, 2006, 12:54:50 PM
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look back at EGM,
Argument FAILS.
I've actually never played MP2, but I was always annoyed by people who complained about the original's control scheme. Dual analog in metroid? Ugg. Maybe I'd feel differently after playing MP2....
Post by: KnowsNothing on June 13, 2006, 01:13:10 PM
Post by: mantidor on June 13, 2006, 03:18:53 PM
Post by: IceCold on June 13, 2006, 03:32:42 PM
QuoteMaybe because Halo 2 is a game heavily focused on multiplayer (including online) and it was designed that way?
for comparison, people still play the jesus out of Halo 2...that cannot be said for MP2 after people beat it. MP2 was respected for its Zelda-esque-ness but reviewers never claimed the game to be genius
Post by: Ceric on June 13, 2006, 03:36:06 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on June 13, 2006, 08:19:39 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
for comparison, people still play the jesus out of Halo 2...that cannot be said for MP2 after people beat it.
Get back to me when you come up (read: make up) with a person who is still playing Halo 2's single player campaign. People are still playing Halo 2 because of the MULTIPLAYER. Echoes, while it has a multiplayer, is a single player game and therefore it simply cannot last as long as a multiplayer-centric game. So, just because we're not playing Echoes any more it automatically sucks? Who the f*ck is still playing Ocarina of Time? Does that game suck now too? Was there a memo that I missed?
This argument BLOWS.
Post by: Mario on June 13, 2006, 08:50:35 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on June 13, 2006, 08:56:39 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83it feels like I'm carrying a boulder everywhere I go in the 3D Metroids.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 22, 2006, 05:27:46 PM
I've been on vacation but I believe they have talked about playing Halo 2 on the 1up podcast for the past two or three weeks; they also brought it up on the last EGM podcast I listened to. People are playing it still despite new games like PDzero, GRAW, and Oblivion on 360. And the campaign is multiplayer, you should know that.
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 22, 2006, 05:35:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Das legendary RIDLEY FIGHT
Holy sh*t.
That cinches it: I'm buying MP3.
Post by: nickmitch on June 22, 2006, 06:10:00 PM
Post by: mac<censored> on June 22, 2006, 07:49:41 PM
If you get it, it seems like you're simply screwed for playing any sort of game with an first persona viewpoint, unless it's a very slow game...
Post by: attackslug on June 22, 2006, 08:20:53 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on June 23, 2006, 11:28:28 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on June 23, 2006, 12:52:31 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on June 23, 2006, 06:31:53 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 23, 2006, 07:44:56 PM
Post by: cubist on June 27, 2006, 07:26:44 PM
Post by: Requiem on June 28, 2006, 02:28:37 AM
Never in my life.
Post by: nickmitch on June 28, 2006, 05:41:18 AM
Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that getting glasses is what started the motion sickness. . .
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2006, 07:22:01 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 14, 2006, 08:14:54 PM
But the game looks so awesome, I can't wait for it. What I don't like though is the thing with a "boss" or superior of any kind saying to Samus where to go, its like fusion where adam basically leads you all the way and thats very un-metroidish... but theres very little we know about the game so I remain optimistic.
Post by: Kairon on September 14, 2006, 08:22:01 PM
/cry
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2006, 08:24:53 PM
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A halo bibe can NEVER mean anything in a good way ... T_T
Well...like it or not, you're on a space station, which aliens are starting to overrun, as you watch something large exploding out of a large window, as you interact with a human military fleet.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2006, 08:37:34 PM
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2006, 08:54:29 PM
Samus>>>>>>>>>>Master Chief
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 14, 2006, 10:08:28 PM
NOTHING
(it does look awesome, but I still don't think I've seen enough)
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2006, 10:36:03 PM
By the by, I changed the 'footage' link above because gamevideos apparently doesn't let you link to individual movies. And, dang, the expert mode ign uses makes me nauseous.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 14, 2006, 10:37:58 PM
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2006, 10:39:39 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on September 14, 2006, 11:09:38 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 14, 2006, 11:10:32 PM
Because in all honesty, that's all I've seen in that footage.
Post by: King of Twitch on September 14, 2006, 11:22:12 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 14, 2006, 11:57:46 PM
Actually i never beat Halo 2 because for some reason the sixth level always froze/lagged/crashed on me, 3 months later the xbox died on me.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 15, 2006, 12:32:20 AM
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Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
It totally has a Halo vibe, but to be honest I've always thought they had something in common. However this really made me think about it some more. Wasn't this how the first halo started or the 2nd i can't remember neither the 1st game or 2nd game's storyline because they both $ucked.
Actually i never beat Halo 2 because for some reason the sixth level always froze/lagged/crashed on me, 3 months later the xbox died on me.
How did Metroid Prime 1 have a Halo vibe? They were two different games, Halo was more shoot em up while Metroid was more adventure oriented. In fact I can't think of anything that is really similar except for the perspective (and even that is a bit different since you are seeing through Samus's visor).
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 15, 2006, 09:59:10 AM
You borrow style elements from 20yr old scifi flicks and 10 yr old PC scifi flight shooters, and you add bump mapping and TAKE AWAY character, and you got Halo.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 15, 2006, 10:49:43 AM
David Yarnton: More details on that will come out closer to launch. But you will be able to play online, so for example with Metroid you will be able to play against friends online… [editor's note: at this point the Nintendo PR rep steps in to assert that Metroid has not been confirmed for online play].
Has this been commented on yet?
So does that mean the delay is partially to bring Metroid online? That makes the delay more understandable, and worth the wait.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 15, 2006, 10:54:09 AM
That being said, I've also heard on IGN that the game is playing extremely well now - on par with or better than mouse and keyboard - so if the extra time is allowing Retro to make the game totally super awesome AND add in online, I could definitely live with that.
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2006, 10:57:30 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
How does Halo have any distinctive vibe to speak of?
You borrow style elements from 20yr old scifi flicks and 10 yr old PC scifi flight shooters, and you add bump mapping and TAKE AWAY character, and you got Halo.
Thread over.
Post by: SixthAngel on September 15, 2006, 11:13:24 AM
Regardless of what kind of vibe you get from the trailer you have to admit it is different. There is voice acting and humans that are not dead, as well as more cutscenes then Metroid usually has. Different looks great though.
If they bring Metroid online I think the lock on concept will be thrown out of the window for both multiplayer and single player. If the controls are as good as we have heard recently there is no reason to still have lock on either.
Post by: RickPowers on September 15, 2006, 11:48:05 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 15, 2006, 11:49:56 AM
Wang Wand: You only need... yourself.
Wang Wand for the Wang Win.
Corruption is looking delicious.
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2006, 12:03:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Mouse + Keyboard: You must have a desktop/apparatus seating arrangment to support these items to use them effectively.
Wang Wand: You only need... yourself.
Wang Wand for the Wang Win.
Corruption is looking delicious.
ITS CALLED A WANGMOTE, BITCH.
AND IT IS COPYRIGHT ME.
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2006, 12:11:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
How does Halo have any distinctive vibe to speak of?
You borrow style elements from 20yr old scifi flicks and 10 yr old PC scifi flight shooters, and you add bump mapping and TAKE AWAY character, and you got Halo.
This are the kind of things sigs are made for, Im so stoling it now. the ian quote will always be in my mind though!
I agree that Corruption is taking a different path, and its hard to not be skeptic, even when Metroid has gone away from its roots with Prime and Fusion and the result wasn't bad at all.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 15, 2006, 12:12:26 PM
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Originally posted by: StrellQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
Mouse + Keyboard: You must have a desktop/apparatus seating arrangment to support these items to use them effectively.
Wang Wand: You only need... yourself.
Wang Wand for the Wang Win.
Corruption is looking delicious.
ITS CALLED A WANGMOTE, BITCH.
AND IT IS COPYRIGHT ME.
Post by: AnyoneEB on September 15, 2006, 12:14:59 PM
As a note, I have gotten to chance to play with Cornell's CAVE ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAVE ) a bit where they had a modified version of Quake with no gravity or guns (they were planning on using the engine for something else) which was controllable by the orientation of the controler + the direction pushed on an analog stick. Although the 3D display did make it feel more immersive than the Wii could be, it was very easy to control: just hold forward and point my hand where I wanted to go. That's what the MP3 expert controls look like. They will feel very natural.
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2006, 02:02:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666Quote
Originally posted by: StrellQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
Mouse + Keyboard: You must have a desktop/apparatus seating arrangment to support these items to use them effectively.
Wang Wand: You only need... yourself.
Wang Wand for the Wang Win.
Corruption is looking delicious.
ITS CALLED A WANGMOTE, BITCH.
AND IT IS COPYRIGHT ME.
THE HELL I AM.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1818747&postcount=183
EAT IT, BITCH.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 15, 2006, 02:24:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: StrellQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666Quote
Originally posted by: StrellQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
Mouse + Keyboard: You must have a desktop/apparatus seating arrangment to support these items to use them effectively.
Wang Wand: You only need... yourself.
Wang Wand for the Wang Win.
Corruption is looking delicious.
ITS CALLED A WANGMOTE, BITCH.
AND IT IS COPYRIGHT ME.
THE HELL I AM.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1818747&postcount=183
EAT IT, BITCH.
COOK IT RIGHT FIRST, BUTCH.
Post by: Strell on September 15, 2006, 06:00:44 PM
I never put enough salt.
SALT I GOT FROM YO MAMA.
Post by: eljefe on September 15, 2006, 06:10:43 PM
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748547/vids_1.html
Post by: Caterkiller on September 15, 2006, 06:52:07 PM
I imagine Nintendo or Retro has wanted to flesh out and develop the Metroid universe since the franchise came back in full force last generation. And instead of throwing it at us all at once we were gradually getting it piece by piece. Well Fusion really threw alot at us story wise, but still. Oh and Hunters also had an amazing opening. What ever, im saying it was all bound ot happen, Metroid wasn't going to stay silent for ever. And im sure most of the game will have Samus all alone somewhere in some deep dark cavern.
Post by: Kairon on January 04, 2007, 12:06:39 PM
*coughandanotheroneherecough*
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Requiem on January 04, 2007, 12:14:57 PM
Also, it's great that they felt very comfortable playing it, mentioning how much it resembled PC shooters. That is, after all, exactly what everyone was hoping for; PC gaming on a home console.
But they mention something that takes the Wii further than playing a PC game. The ability to yank objects with your grappling beam and puzzles that require you to twist, lift, and flip pieces are just a few examples.
Post by: Artimus on January 04, 2007, 12:41:33 PM
Post by: ThePerm on January 04, 2007, 02:57:51 PM
Post by: Artimus on January 04, 2007, 03:19:40 PM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
ok i can see why Zelda not have voice acting, but not metroid! Just as long as samus doesnt talk..then again she has already talked before.
Certainly. Though I'd argue Zelda could use it (except for Link), especially consider their frigging mouths move.
Post by: TrueNerd on January 04, 2007, 07:12:28 PM
I need this game before the summer, Nintendo. BEFORE THE SUMMER.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 04, 2007, 07:13:48 PM
I am frothing at the thought of this and Super Mario Galaxy.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 05, 2007, 03:21:37 AM
Personally, I find the Metroid Prime series' method of telling the plot through scanning objects and critters is pretty interesting. It makes the story very "organic", you decide how much plot there is and you don't have to passively sit through tons of movies (though I wouldn't mind having a little more of those).
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 05, 2007, 03:26:47 AM
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Post by: Artimus on January 05, 2007, 04:55:11 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2007, 05:06:59 AM
And imagine Samus talking as much as Link did in Ocarina of Time.
Samus would say:
"SAMUS"
and i think later she would say:
"SAMUS"
WOW, THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF VOICE WERK THERE
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 05, 2007, 05:32:51 AM
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Originally posted by: Artimus
I think if this doesn't come out before the fall then it's almost certain we won't see both Galaxy and Brawl this year.
Both? Brawl I can see being delayed, but Mario Galaxy, no way...Nintendo will have at LEAST two major titles for the holiday season...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 05, 2007, 05:36:02 AM
Post by: Artimus on January 05, 2007, 06:58:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: Artimus
I think if this doesn't come out before the fall then it's almost certain we won't see both Galaxy and Brawl this year.
Both? Brawl I can see being delayed, but Mario Galaxy, no way...Nintendo will have at LEAST two major titles for the holiday season...
Both meaning we won't see Galaxy AND Brawl, not neither Galaxy or Brawl.
Post by: Ceric on January 05, 2007, 07:12:11 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2007, 07:37:45 AM
Post by: Kairon on January 05, 2007, 08:02:51 AM
Oh god, this brings back memories of fanboy delusions at earlier than possible release dates, like when I thought the Wii was a June launch.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: couchmonkey on January 05, 2007, 08:24:22 AM
Post by: Mario on January 05, 2007, 12:19:25 PM
Post by: Kairon on January 05, 2007, 12:52:45 PM
What makes you think MP3 will do better this holiday season against Halo 3?
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 05, 2007, 01:15:30 PM
Post by: Mario on January 05, 2007, 01:19:46 PM
Prime 3s control scheme could also make Halo 3s seem archaic, but I really don't like comparing them because I still see Metroid as an adventure game.
Post by: utarefsoN on January 05, 2007, 02:20:55 PM
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Post by: Smash_Brother on January 06, 2007, 06:48:26 AM
As for the subject, I'd love to see Retro make a follow-up game which uses the Metroid engine and control scheme for a game which is more along the lines of what people would consider a true Halo killer (multiplayer deathmatch, CTF, vehicles, etc.), but I firmly believe that Metroid is not and SHOULD not be forced to be that game.
Post by: utarefsoN on January 06, 2007, 11:15:33 AM
now could i see these commericials you people are talking about. I would like to see them too despite being 3 and 5 years later.
Post by: Requiem on January 06, 2007, 11:41:32 AM
.Seriously though, do you think Retro is thinking as revolutionary as we are?
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Originally posted by: Requiem
What if:
Samus was fighting this giant boss, whose attack was to suck things in (including samus). As the beast prepares the attack, Samus would have to first grapple beam herself to a hook. Then as she's literally hanging horizontal to the ground, you have to manuever your cannon in the general direction of the beast and charge and fire a super missle. Meanwhile, your view is going hay-wire as you shake with turbulence.
I think that would be a pretty cool boss.
Or What if:
Samus grapples to an object and the only way to blow up said object is to aim at your grapple beam and shoot a charged Wave beam at it. The beam then clings to your grapple and follows it like a trail of lit gun powder.
Or What if:
There is a boss that travels furiously fast, is enourmously huge, and is the first water boss in Metriod history (i think). Samus must grapple to it's back and as she hangs on for dear life, water ski as she tries to kill the damn thing! Knowing Retro, it would be crazy! Water would spray in your face, obstructing your view.
Or What if:
Samus obtains the ability to use bombs outside of her ball state. She grabs a bomb with her left hand and with the nunchuck, chucks it where ever she likes. There are two settings for the bomb: Gravity and Anti-Gravity. Gravity acts like a normal grenade, while Anti-gravity floats upwards very slowly. While Gravity bombs blow up on impact, Anti-gravity bombs must be shot. Anti-Gravity bombs also cause a much bigger explosion.
Or What if:
One of Samus's grapple beam upgrades turns it into a laserbeam type sword. Not neccessarily to attack with since that is not Metriod at all, but more to cut through vegitation, carve through blast-proof windows, and things of that nature (another way to advance exploration basically).
Or What if:
One of Samus's grapple beam upgrades allows for more than one grapple. This would be used to pull multiple triggers (similar to how Zelda's boomerang can lock on to multiple items, and used in basically the same fashion; i.e. puzzle-solving, boss-battle, taming a gaint beast to fly or swim). OOOOOOOOH!!!! That would be amazing! Imagine taming a giant manitee to explore an ocean. You can still shoot with the Wiimote. The nunchuck, however, would steer the beast (or it could steer itself, probably better). Or what if you tamed a giant pterodactyl to fly and access a new area, only to be shot at by Flying Space Pirates. That sounds like a sh!tload of fun, especially if the beast reacted to the shooting and swooped and tried to dodge.
Alright, that's enough for one day. You guys get the jist of it anyways...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 06, 2007, 11:46:48 AM
Someone didn't play Metroid Prime 2, it seems...
Post by: Requiem on January 06, 2007, 11:53:28 AM
I'm poor...what can I say?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 06, 2007, 12:07:54 PM
I personally think ideas like calling the ship for combat are really unique, and I don't think Retro is going to stop at that...
Post by: Requiem on January 06, 2007, 12:35:33 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 06, 2007, 12:39:12 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 06, 2007, 02:20:42 PM
Post by: Requiem on January 06, 2007, 03:40:52 PM
I think people would flock to that; mentioning how cool it is in reviews and the like.
Post by: Smoke39 on January 06, 2007, 05:29:46 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 06, 2007, 05:41:59 PM
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Post by: Requiem on January 06, 2007, 05:57:16 PM
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Post by: Stimutacs Addict on January 06, 2007, 06:32:16 PM
how can you not love that?
btw, miller light < dog urine
Post by: IceCold on January 06, 2007, 06:48:20 PM
QuoteHere (first movie - TV Spot 3)
Originally posted by: utarefsoN
I wish i seen the commercial..........but i didnt and that was the point of the commercial. Who cares how much they spent on the actual commercial, when it never aired. most of the The cost in ads is the airtime, not in prodution.
now could i see these commericials you people are talking about. I would like to see them too despite being 3 and 5 years later.
Post by: Requiem on January 06, 2007, 06:51:57 PM
I don't remember that commercial being THAT good.
That was by far the best game commercial, if not the best commercial ever made; BAR NONE!
Post by: Smoke39 on January 06, 2007, 07:00:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I figured Super Metroid had one too, but it's been ages since I played it (Since I don't like it! Uh oh, here come the Metroid fans
*shakes you* O:<
Post by: utarefsoN on January 07, 2007, 06:59:02 AM
man i just shat on myself. Those commercials rocked and the first one owned all. That was the best commercial i have ever seen for a video game. I wonder why it sold 1.5 million or so. Never seen it air though, i certainly would have remebered that.
Anyway lets all hope retro and nintendo put together something like that for MP3. For their and MPS's sake at least. Im buying 2 copies at launch whether they advertise or not.
Post by: Artimus on January 07, 2007, 07:20:38 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 07, 2007, 09:02:09 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 08, 2007, 04:21:53 AM
I recall Bill saying he dislikes Pokemon Gold/Silver too, while otherwise liking the Pokemon series. It's like he has some weird hatred against whatever game in a series is widely considered the best.
Regarding the Metroid Prime commercial I found it entertaining but I don't think it gave a good idea of what the game was about. Sure WE know what it's about but at that point Metroid had been dormant for an entire console generation, one that because of the Playstation introduced a huge amount of people to gaming. To this group Metroid means nothing to them so having a commercial with Samus blasting away doesn't tell them anything because they don't know Samus and don't know why a new Metroid game is a big deal. In screenshots and in short clips Metroid Prime looks like a regular FPS which Nintendo pretty much has tried to market it as from day one. It isn't and I think the series' selling power has been hurt by that. To the general gaming public that never played a game before Final Fantasy VII Metroid Prime isn't this amazing adventure title. It's a lousy attempt at a "Halo killer". By marketing it as something it isn't it looks inferior because it really sucks at being a traditional FPS.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 08, 2007, 05:06:19 AM
I don't know why someone would like Super Metroid less than Metroid or Metroid II...but again, Metroid II is the only one I've played a lot.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 08, 2007, 06:45:53 AM
Do note that I never said it was a bad game, it technically is a fantastically-made game...I'm just not a huge fan of 2D Metroid gameplay...
"I recall Bill saying he dislikes Pokemon Gold/Silver too, while otherwise liking the Pokemon series. It's like he has some weird hatred against whatever game in a series is widely considered the best."
Haha, Gold/Silver really is awful though, Super Metroid is good...This analogy fails!
Post by: Kairon on January 08, 2007, 12:06:22 PM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Mario on January 08, 2007, 12:33:28 PM
I can't wait til Super Metroid is on VC, it and Metroid 2 are the only ones I haven't played. Oh yeah and Zero Mission but Metroid 1 is good enough for me.
I wonder if Prime 3 will have any DS connectivity? I can't really think of anything they could do with it though.
Post by: utarefsoN on January 08, 2007, 01:19:45 PM
Post by: vudu on January 09, 2007, 06:25:33 AM
QuoteYou've almost not played as many Metroids as you've played.
Originally posted by: Mario
I can't wait til Super Metroid is on VC, it and Metroid 2 are the only ones I haven't played. Oh yeah and Zero Mission but Metroid 1 is good enough for me.
Played:
Metroid
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Not Played
Metroid II
Super Metroid
Metroid Zero Mission
I'm not counting Pinball or Hunters because they don't count.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 09, 2007, 08:06:32 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 09, 2007, 08:20:57 AM
Post by: Ceric on January 09, 2007, 08:31:46 AM
(Though I've never played Super Metroid on a SNES before. I played on the platform that shalt be named because I heard it was so good.)
Also Bill do you like book 3 of the Harry Potter series?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 09, 2007, 08:33:14 AM
Post by: IceCold on January 09, 2007, 09:03:00 AM
QuoteSince when was that widely considered the best of the series?
Also Bill do you like book 3 of the Harry Potter series?
Post by: Kairon on January 09, 2007, 09:13:34 AM
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Kairon@aol.com
Post by: TrueNerd on January 10, 2007, 08:30:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I know that I personally consider the 3rd book and 3rd movie the best so far.
~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Confirmed. Especially the movie part. The books could be argued one way or the other, but the third movie is at least a full head and shoulders above the other three.
Also confirmed: Super Metroid is the definitive Metroid game. While the GBA Metroids are damn good and have a tighter, more efficient control scheme, Super Metroid is a much bigger game that doesn't even think about holding your hand like you're some whiny girl. And, ya know, the grappling hook is AWESOME.
Post by: JonLeung on January 10, 2007, 08:38:24 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I can't say I've played enough Super Metroid to have a full opinion about it, but I do generally like the 3D games better than the 2D ones just because I find exploring in a 2D side-scrolling environment frustrating.
That doesn't make any sense to me. 3D isn't necessarily frustrating, but by design can have many flaws that lead to frustration. Crappy camera angles, obstructions, judging distance/height/angle especially when jumping, etc. 3D might be more "natural" when done well but how is 2D side-scrolling difficult? You deal with one less dimension, plus it's more natural in 2D to be ominpotent of everything around you, like what's on the other side of a block that's in your character's face, for example.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 10, 2007, 10:49:37 AM
Anyway, that's irrelevant. Super Metroid = Metroid Prime 1/2 (can't choose between them, so I judge them as one), followed by Zero Mission/Metroid Fusion, followed by the original. Haven't played Metroid 2 yet.
Post by: denjet78 on January 10, 2007, 12:51:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I thought the first three books were terribly written, and really they are. The third is a mild improvement. The sixth one is probably the best as of now.
Anyway, that's irrelevant. Super Metroid = Metroid Prime 1/2 (can't choose between them, so I judge them as one), followed by Zero Mission/Metroid Fusion, followed by the original. Haven't played Metroid 2 yet.
I've never read any of the books but I've seen all the movies because my sister is absolutely in lust with him. I actually don't see the big fuss over it. I mean, the movies were actually rather good, compared to anything else that's been released as of late, but I think that's just because they actually put some effort into them. Outside of that, I'd say it's just another fantasy series. But, I also don't see the obsession with LotR either. In fact, the second movie just sucked so hard. It seemed like it went on and on forever. Everything in it is so cliched by now that really... well I guess I should shut up now before the wrath falls upon me.
Anyway, Super Metroid is "THE" definitive Metroid. Metroid Prime doesn't feel like it's a part of the main series. It feels more like a gaiden, a side-story. It's an incredible side-story though. The way that they handled the story telling was so perfect. If you wanted to you could just play through it like any other Metroid game. Or, you could scan everything and actually learn about Samus, the Chozo, how everything started. They couldn't have come up with a better way to do it. I didn't like Fusion much at all though. I kept wondering when the actual game was going to start. The whole thing felt like a big demo. I never really felt like I was playing the actual game, just waiting for the tutorial to end.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 10, 2007, 01:01:43 PM
Don't just leave it at this, I want to see you try and explain how...
(And if I'm remembering correctly, Metroid II is basically a treasure (Metroid) hunt, definitely the weakest of the bunch...)
Post by: denjet78 on January 10, 2007, 03:10:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"Metroid Prime doesn't feel like it's a part of the main series. It feels more like a gaiden, a side-story."
Don't just leave it at this, I want to see you try and explain how...
(And if I'm remembering correctly, Metroid II is basically a treasure (Metroid) hunt, definitely the weakest of the bunch...)
It doesn't feel like the stories are really about the Metroids, and they aren't. They're about the Phazon, which isn't mentioned in any other Metroid game or storyline. The Metroids really just feel like they're making a cameo appearance in the games in order for them to actually have a reason to put "Metroid" in the title at all. It's kind of like Zelda II. The game just doesn't feel like it fits in with the rest of the series. That's nothing on how good the games actually are. I mean, I really liked Metroid Prime even though I have a very hard time liking other games in first person. It's just that the story, and the fact that they turned it into it's own trilogy, not to mention the fact that we'll probably never hear about Phazon again, makes it all feel very "gaiden".
Of course I could be wrong and whenever Metroid 5 actually comes out it could very well tie everything together or at least imply that the Prime trilogy actually happened but for now it still feels split-off. It's like there are two Metroid universes: The one for the main series, which is at Fusion (Metroid 4) right now and then the other one where Prime takes place. I know Prime is supposed to take place between the first and second games but the continuity just doesn't seem like it fits.
I'm not 100% exactly sure what it is, as I'm certain that I haven't been making a lot of sense so far, it just a feeling that it doesn't really fit. It could be because it's just called Prime and doesn't have an actual number, like Super Metroid was actually Metroid 3 and Fusion was 4. Or it could be because it's being developed by Retro and not by the same internal developer who's basically made every other Metroid. Most likely it's a mixture of all of the above.
I hope, at least, you can follow what I'm trying to say here and do know that I mean to disrespect, this is simply how I personally feel about the whole situation.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 10, 2007, 03:31:38 PM
Prime focused heavily on Phazon, yes, but also the effect the Phazon had on Metroids when it came to mutating them.
I never finished MP2, but it seemed to focus more heavily on the Ing and the dark and light worlds of Aether. Can anyone tell me if they somehow wrapped Metroids into the storyline near the end?
Post by: MysticGohan on January 10, 2007, 04:06:20 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 10, 2007, 04:27:20 PM
Also, Metroid Fusion had very little to do with Metroids. Really the plot of the Metroid games is pretty varied, not sticking to any set plot, not even the one its titled after.
Post by: SixthAngel on January 10, 2007, 04:45:00 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on January 10, 2007, 05:13:14 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on January 10, 2007, 05:35:45 PM
Speaking of which, where the HELL is Metroid Dread/A new 2D DS Metroid? Enough of the pinball and sub-par FPS' that weren't really Metroid games, I want the real deal, with a map CONSTANTLY DISPLAYED. This better be in development as we speak.
I am really excited to see what they do with the story in Corruption. I'm hoping the title is hinting at shady people in charge of the Galactic Federation that become corrupted with power, money, etc. Hopefully they don't go all Halo on us and have us play as Ridley.
Post by: Adrock on January 11, 2007, 06:30:21 AM
All Metroid games are about Metroids though they always seem to be of secondary focus, except for Metroid II.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 11, 2007, 06:48:50 AM
I tend to view the Metroid franchise as having three different groups.
I consider the 2D Metroids and the Metroid Prime games as seperate series partially because of the different perspective but mostly because of the two different development teams that work on them.
The Metroid series:
Metroid
Metroid II
Super Metroid
Metroid Fusion
Metroid: Zero Mission
The Metroid Prime series:
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
All of these games I would consider "real" Metroid games though they belong to two series.
The third group would be spinoffs like Pinball and Hunters. They clearly don't follow the Metroid style of gameplay but use the Metroid IP.
I never use the concept of side stories for categorizing series because it doesn't make any sense to me. Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask are still part of the main series of Zelda. Why not? They're made by EAD. That seperates them from the Capcom Zelda games.
But then there's no hard fast rule for this stuff since game series never seem to follow a logical convention. Hell Resident Evil had two games released between 3 and 4.
Post by: Plugabugz on January 11, 2007, 08:08:46 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on January 11, 2007, 08:29:09 AM
Catterkiller didn't metroid prime come down in the meteor? That is what I always thought. I don't think it was created with phazon considering that it makes phazon.
Post by: utarefsoN on January 11, 2007, 12:09:25 PM
Post by: denjet78 on January 11, 2007, 12:19:08 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
Metroid Prime are full fledged games that simply don't take place after the previous games. Prequels are still part of the main story and and Metroid prime games are too for the same reaons. I don't like the Doctor Who/Torchwood comparison because Torchwood is completely different from Doctor Who especially considering it doesn't even have the main character, the Doctor, in it. Metroid Prime games still have the main character, Samus, and all the big characters and enemies. The only reason people consider them not as important as the others is because of the move to 3d. If the same games were played 2d style these complaints wouldn't even exist.
Catterkiller didn't metroid prime come down in the meteor? That is what I always thought. I don't think it was created with phazon considering that it makes phazon.
This is true, the games are very "Metroid" at their core. In fact, I'd say that they are the best way that Metroid could have been converted into a true 3D franchise. It's just that the story feels so cut off from the rest of the series. Maybe it's the fact that they have a real story in the first place. I love the games, they just don't feel like true Metroid titles to me. I loved Zelda: OoT as well but it didn't really feel like a Zelda game to me either.
And for those interested, there is no way that Metroid Prime is the original source of Phazon. If it came down in the meteor or if it was already on the planet and then mutated by the Phazon I don't know but knowing where the Metroids came from in the first place (HINT: They tell you in Fusion) there's no way it's the "original" source. Some outside force had to have created it.
Sorry to have started all of this. Maybe I shouldn't have said anything in the first place. :p
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 11, 2007, 04:59:43 PM
It wasn't on Tallon IV (metroids' home planet is SR-388), nor was it on the meteor. The pirates brought it with them, but the fusion with the phazon was more a fluke than anything.
Post by: Plugabugz on January 11, 2007, 07:47:57 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
Metroid Prime are full fledged games that simply don't take place after the previous games. Prequels are still part of the main story and and Metroid prime games are too for the same reaons. I don't like the Doctor Who/Torchwood comparison because Torchwood is completely different from Doctor Who especially considering it doesn't even have the main character, the Doctor, in it.
Torchwood is a sub-series to Doctor Who because it runs within the established timeline, not affecting the previous or the following chapters.
Stargate Atlantis, for example, is a complete spin off because it's own timeline runs parallel to it's parent series, and takes place in another galaxy.
Metroid Prime builds a new story, around Phazon and how it created Metroid Prime, and it sits within the existing series (almost like a story within a story), then dovetails back into the main timeline without affecting anything either side. As Retro said, one of the aims of Corruption was to wrap up the Phazon storyline.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 12, 2007, 03:28:09 AM
Post by: Caterkiller on January 12, 2007, 03:43:04 AM
Ever since I completed Fusion, I wondered where the series would go from there. With the Wii, I could defenitly see a 3rd Person shooter, that continues the story. But what about her classic suit? It seems she will never be the same.
Post by: SixthAngel on January 12, 2007, 04:48:29 AM
Basically all Metroid games and Nintendo in general have stories that are self contained and don't affect the previous or following chapters. They will have similar enemies, items, and themes like the triforce/goombas/ball mode/Bowser/Gannon/Ridley but every game could exist without any of the others.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 12, 2007, 05:16:11 AM
I disagree. The first four 2D games have stories that flow together perfectly.
1. Samus goes to Zebes to deal with the Space Pirates who have stolen the newly Metroid species to use as a weapon.
2. After destroying the pirates she goes to the Metroid homeworld to wipe out the entire Metroid species because they're too dangerous.
3. The last Metroid in existence thinks Samus is its mother so she brings to a research station. The station is attacked by the pirates, the Metroid is stolen and Samus returns to Zebes to kick ass. The last Metroid melds with her to defeat Mother Brain.
4. Samus goes with a crew back to the Metroid homeworld and is infected by the X Virus who's natural predator are the Metroids.
The storylines flow together pretty well. It's uncharacteristically tight for a Nintendo franchise. Usually Nintendo just does whatever, continuity be damned.
Post by: utarefsoN on January 12, 2007, 07:02:09 AM
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Post by: Adrock on January 12, 2007, 07:10:22 AM
They games are all connected, but the prequels and side-stories disrupt the continuity, some information is retconned. Zero Mission was essentially Intelligent Systems trying to mend continuity. Even though the games exist on one timeline, it's easier to think of the Prime games as a separate line.
Post by: Smoke39 on January 12, 2007, 08:27:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The last Metroid melds with her to defeat Mother Brain.
It doesn't "meld" with her. It pours a ton of the energy it'd been sucking into her suit, then gets killed.
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2007, 08:41:25 AM
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I agree with Ian on this one...not that the 2D games are very story-oriented, but they do have a strongly continuous plot, moreso than any other Nintendo franchise I've played.
That's because they weren't Miyamoto games.
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Post by: mantidor on January 12, 2007, 09:20:18 AM
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Post by: Ceric on January 12, 2007, 10:14:10 AM
Now on the movies 3 was by far the worst movie if you read the books. It was a really really choppy slideshow of the book. I didn't like it on its own merits as a movie even. I prefer the Hogwarts of the first two. Thats how I imagined them. They could have been easily darkened. I don't know what they are going to do with the later ones because they just keep getting longer with less you can strip. (Though I do agree with the choice to leave Dobby out.)
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2007, 10:27:58 AM
And Pikmin? Story? HAH! Pikmin was a perfect example of the "story as thin excuse for gameplay." You crashed! Collect stuff to live! You need money! Collect stuff to sell!
Also, /sad at Ceric not liking Alfonso Cuaron. Though the first two Harry Potter movies were decently directed by Colombus (or whatever his name is)... it's just that their scripts lacked the subtlety or thematic punch that the third book brought to the third movie.
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Post by: Bill Aurion on January 12, 2007, 01:40:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Retro has more control over MP than Miyamoto, so its obvious that the game will veer greatly from his tendencies no matter what Miyamoto advised on gameplay elements during those monthly teleconferences.
Um, not during the production of the first game...Miyamoto DID completely up-turn the table (such as pointing the game's direction towards 1st person)
It wasn't til Retro proved their capability with the final product that they were given more freedom with the sequel...
Post by: Kairon on January 12, 2007, 01:55:55 PM
Ultimately, the Metroid Prime games are not Miyamoto titles.
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Post by: Hostile Creation on January 12, 2007, 04:16:43 PM
After that, not so sure. So far as I know, the Metroid Prime games are more Miyamoto titles than the 2D Metroid games, in regards to what he was involved in creating.
Post by: Gamebasher on January 13, 2007, 02:21:25 PM
Post by: mantidor on January 14, 2007, 01:31:27 PM
*ducks and covers*
Post by: SixthAngel on January 14, 2007, 02:47:38 PM
Post by: mantidor on January 14, 2007, 03:44:32 PM
Honestly, its not that I want a Nintendo without Miyamoto because he's amazing, but lately I have enjoyed a lot more the games that he just supervised (MP 1 and 2, MM, tWW) than the ones that required him to be more involved (Nintendogs, TP).
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 14, 2007, 04:00:31 PM
You, on the other hand, are taking away the credit that is due...Retro was falling apart at the seams with projects being cancelled left and right (Raven Blade R.I.P.), and Miyamoto had a HUGE role in getting them back on the right path...If he wasn't there, Prime wouldn't have ended as we know it today...PERIOD...
Post by: IceCold on January 14, 2007, 04:24:12 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on January 14, 2007, 05:33:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"People are giving him credit for metroid prime now simply because the gameplay is good. I can see him giving a few pointers or goals but no way does he take the credit away from retro. "
You, on the other hand, are taking away the credit that is due...Retro was falling apart at the seams with projects being cancelled left and right (Raven Blade R.I.P.), and Miyamoto had a HUGE role in getting them back on the right path...If he wasn't there, Prime wouldn't have ended as we know it today...PERIOD...
I just read the link icecold posted and I don't see much Miyamoto influence. He visited the studio before they had really started metroid and saw the the many, many games they were working on weren't that good and later he and others insisted that metroid should not be a 3rd person action title because he believes they don't work. Where does he get credit for the good gameplay? He gave advice and goals but I can't imagine he did much beyond that. The article points out many experienced fps shooter developers that probably have a lot to do with the gameplay. Nintendo itself seems responsible for many of the cancelations (raven blade) because they wanted all the focus on Metroid and didn't really care about the other games or newer ips (a good and a bad thing). When they mention that Nintendo replaced managers and did other things to help the company it doesn't mean Miyamoto did it all, a lot of people work at Nintendo but once his name comes up he gets the credit for everything that follows.
He does a lot and I'm a big fan but you can't give the guy all that much credit for a game developed across the ocean from him.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 14, 2007, 05:59:48 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I personally can't wait for a Miyamoto-less Nintendo
*ducks and covers*
Motion to ban Mantidor.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2007, 06:21:09 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I personally can't wait for a Miyamoto-less Nintendo
*ducks and covers*
Just what is your issue with him?
Like him or not, he pretty much made Nintendo what it is today and created some amazing franchises and supervised some great games.
Again, why do you have this thing against some of Nintendo's decisions? You have to be pretty annoyed at something if you are willing to make a comment like THAT.
Post by: IceCold on January 14, 2007, 07:37:12 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 14, 2007, 09:26:27 PM
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He's still bitter about the TP Wii thing..
Still, its silly to dismiss Miyamoto because of a decision he or even Aounuma has full control over. And besides, they released the GC version for the uber hardcore and those that don't have a Wii but want to play Zelda.
Can't he just let it go?
Post by: mantidor on January 15, 2007, 04:37:09 AM
edit: of course I'll gladly eat my words the day Pikmin wii gets announced.
Post by: denjet78 on January 15, 2007, 07:12:59 AM
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I think I explained myself in the previous post, jeez you people never read :P
edit: of course I'll gladly eat my words the day Pikmin wii gets announced.
Ooooo... Pikmin Wii.
It can look the same as the first one for all I care just as long as I can control 1,000 of those little critters as once. Oh, and multiplayer where you can have Pikmin-on-Pikmin wars. Can't you already see the carnage?
TEH CARNAGE!!!!
Seriously though, I'd love to see a new Pikmin. The Wiimote seems almost tailored to it. They've got to have something in the works by now, don't they?
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 15, 2007, 07:19:16 AM
But when I went to try the second one something happened...it never captured my imagination as the first one did.
I borrowed SB's copy and I tried getting into it but for some weird reason it never did. I would get somewhat far, then lose interest and stop playing.
Again, I can't exactly explain why that happened. Which is why I am hoping that if Pikmin Wii is indeed made the gameplay should be drastically different.
It was fun doing it two times, but it becomes annoying if you do it a third time.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 15, 2007, 08:31:37 AM
But when I went to try the second one something happened...it never captured my imagination as the first one did."
I'm the opposite. Well I guess not the OPPOSITE since I like Pikmin 1 a lot too but Pikmin 2 is in my opinion the best Cube game. Not only is a fantastic game it also feels a lot like the sequels Nintendo made in their peak where the formula was just different enough that it didn't feel like more of the same but it wasn't so different that it was a complete overhaul. It helps that it was only the second game which makes it easier to avoid rehashing.
I never get it though when people say the Wii controller is perfect for Pikmin. How so? I don't see anything really obvious popping out at me unless you want it to play like WarCraft. I know Miyamoto said something about Pikmin being perfect for it but aside from that it doesn't seem obvious to me.
Post by: Caliban on January 15, 2007, 08:46:36 AM
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I know Miyamoto said something about Pikmin being perfect for it but aside from that it doesn't seem obvious to me.
Because you aren't Miyamoto. We don't understand alot of things he does or says, but in the end most of them do function properly.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 15, 2007, 09:03:50 AM
Post by: vudu on January 15, 2007, 09:08:28 AM
QuoteIt's perfect because you can easily point to a group of Pikmin and select them without wrestling with the C-stick, which a lot of people seem to have a problem with. If they change the method for selecting Pikmin (i.e. the select range is no longer determined by how long you hold A) it could be every better. For example, you could draw a box (e.g drag pointer from lower left corner to upper right corner) or individually select the exact Pikmin you want.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I never get it though when people say the Wii controller is perfect for Pikmin. How so? I don't see anything really obvious popping out at me unless you want it to play like WarCraft. I know Miyamoto said something about Pikmin being perfect for it but aside from that it doesn't seem obvious to me.
Post by: Gamebasher on January 15, 2007, 09:35:37 AM
Nice one, Caliban!
And thanks to the rest of you for your great support for Miyamoto! He is in a way, the Son of Nintendo! Truly, he is actually a lot like a real son of Nintendo´s Father who is Hiroshi Yamauchi!
Who would have first created the most memorable videogame characters and accompanying worlds ever, and, not stopping there, going on to educating an army of artists to uphold the flame of creativity within the Big N? And working tirelessly to keep it going? And when most other people due to age tone down their efforts at the work place, he steps up his efforts to make Nintendo even greater (also for a very large part thanks to Satoru Iwata)?
No, we should all be gratefull for that little great man, who has made our virtual lives so much more qualitative! Even if he "only" supervises games being produced!
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Post by: Mysticspike on February 25, 2007, 02:06:46 PM
maybe just cause i love MP2-echoes
Post by: Kairon on February 26, 2007, 06:59:24 AM
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Post by: TrueNerd on February 26, 2007, 07:50:25 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on April 04, 2007, 12:43:39 PM
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Where is Metroid? Metroid is not going to ship by June. We've announced all of our games through the end of June. And the fact with Metroid is we want to make sure that that game is perfect. Unfortunately, Metroid Prime 2 didn't live up to our expectations, it didn't live up to Retro's expectations--
*sigh*
Hopefully Nintendo doesn't release Galaxy and Corruption within a month of each other, but who knows.
Post by: mantidor on April 04, 2007, 12:59:43 PM
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Is that in terms of sales or the actual game itself?
From a sales standpoint. I think we were all happy with the product itself. Certainly it won quite a bit of critical acclaim, but the sell-through wasn't what we wanted it to be.
forgets that NOA pushed the DS at the expense of MP2. Halo 2 and GTA: San Andreas had massive marketing and userbases on their respective systems; the 'cube was a lame duck by then. The gamble paid off in the long term, but in the short term MP2 got shafted. I feel like a broken record saying it time and time again...MP3, SSB Brawl and Mario Galaxy theoretically in one quarter? Scary...
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Post by: anubis6789 on April 04, 2007, 05:21:33 PM
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Me so confused. Nintendo seems to have taken the tact that they will only announce release dates for games that are within the quarter, thus confounding attempts at deducing their long term plans... like they're in permanent PR stealth mode!
We are talking about Nintendo right? They are ALWAYS in PR stealth mode?
Post by: Kairon on April 04, 2007, 05:40:15 PM
Well... this time they're doing it BETTER somehow!
/pout
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 05, 2007, 06:23:37 AM
Hell without the right marketing push reviews won't even be as good as they could be. Part of why Ocarina of Time got so many perfect scores was because being the "best game ever" was part of the marketing. The game had that kind of hype so magazines dedicated huge articles with 10/10 scores to sell magazines. Games that aren't as hyped don't get the same coverage by the gaming media so they don't get as inflated of scores. When the game is so hyped that people anticipate the eventual review the scores are often much higher.
Post by: SixthAngel on April 05, 2007, 10:24:43 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I don't see how making Metroid Prime 3 better is going to help its sales. I mean I want it to be the best it can but a lack quality sure as hell wasn't Metroid Prime 2's problem. Metroid Prime 3 can be the greatest game of all time but without the right marketing push none of that would matter. Making a great game is only part of it. You have to let people know that you've made a great game and that it's now available for purchase.
Hell without the right marketing push reviews won't even be as good as they could be. Part of why Ocarina of Time got so many perfect scores was because being the "best game ever" was part of the marketing. The game had that kind of hype so magazines dedicated huge articles with 10/10 scores to sell magazines. Games that aren't as hyped don't get the same coverage by the gaming media so they don't get as inflated of scores. When the game is so hyped that people anticipate the eventual review the scores are often much higher.
I see it being better helping sales. I would say the prime 2 was inferior to the first besides getting lower sales. I would be disappointed if the new one didn't improve on it and I think others would be as well. Making it better then the first two would certainly bring the excitement bar up a notch instead of just being another game in the series.
You also act like Metroid won't have hype. It has been anticipated since it had a demo at e3. It is going to have tons of hype when it comes out and being a better game would help push it into the must buy category even more. Working on the game longer doesn't really have anything to do with what you assume will be a lackluster marketing compain or do you just really need to throw out something negative?
Post by: Mario on April 05, 2007, 02:31:30 PM
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I mean I want it to be the best it can but a lack quality sure as hell wasn't Metroid Prime 2's problem.
Yeah it was. Most people I know who bought Prime 1 hated it and wouldn't touch Prime 2, plus the whole purple world was really unappealing.
Post by: Luigi Dude on April 05, 2007, 02:34:09 PM
Metroid Prime 2 Sales
North America - 800,000
Japan - 70,000
Europe - 370,000
Total - 1.24 million
The reason Prime 2 didn't sell as well as Nintendo hoped was because of bad marketing, coming out the same time as Halo 2, and the biggest reason is the fact that the Gamecube was on it's death bed back in the fall of 2004.
The first Metroid Prime was released back in the fall of 2002 when the Gamecube was still considered alive by most people. If you look at the sales back then you'll see that Gamecube games were putting up good numbers and since Prime was the Gamecubes flagship title for the holiday it was the must have item for Gamecube owners. Jump ahead 2 years and the Gamecube was in bad shape. Third Parties had all completly abandoned the system and the media only talked about the PS2 and the X-Box, and so the Gamecube was all but forgotten by the average gamer. So the only audience left for Prime 2 was the remaining hardcore Nintendo fans and that was it.
The fact that Prime 3 will be coming out now when the Wii is insanely popular I say is going to give it really good sales, but it'll never be a huge hit. The Metroid franchise just isn't the type of series that alot of people play. Yes it has a good sized loyal hardcore fanbase but to the average person, it's just not their thing. I think it comes down to how you really have to think in Metroid games to figure your way through the world is what makes people back off.
Plus people also have to realize that the Metroid franchise has never been insanely popular. Look at the numbers for the other Metroid games and you'll see the series has never really had huge mass market appeal.
Metroid
North America - 1.35 million
Japan - 1.04 million
Europe - 340,000
Total - 2.73 million
Metroid II: Return of Samus
North America - 860,000
Japan - 520,000
Europe - 340,000
Total - 1.72 million
Super Metroid
North America - 580,000
Japan - 710,000
Europe - 130,000
Total - 1.42 million
Metroid Fusion
North America - 1.08 million
Japan - 180,000
Europe - 290,000
Total - 1.55 million
Metroid Prime
North America - 1.92 million
Japan - 120,000
Europe -730,000
Total - 2.77 million
I already posted Prime 2's numbers, plus Zero Mission and Hunters both never passed the million mark so VGcharts doesn't have numbers for them.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 05, 2007, 02:42:33 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on April 05, 2007, 02:59:18 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2007, 06:35:55 PM
I believe MP2's world was relatively larger than MP1's. More doors meant more rooms (and more hidden upgrades), which ultimately is MORE TO EXPLORE -- a good thing for me.
And it's not like i always found messages that told me "this door is made of wood, you cannot open this door yet" cuz i knew Samus has an EFFING MAP in her helmet with color-coded doors that indicated if I could open it or not (cuz I have this ability called "paying attention"). As soon as I got a new door-opening upgrade, I immediately realized what kinds of doors I could open and where to find them, cuz I knew they were shown on the EFFING MAP.
I didn't even use the hint system (except for one specific case) for the 20-something hours I played it, getting nearly 100% of upgrades and finding a bunch of those ghostly key things BY ACCIDENT such that all but two left to find by the time the game told me to bugger-off and go on a scavenger hunt... one that lasted about 10 minutes since there wasn't much else for me to discover after exterminating most of the bloody planet except for the final boss.
Favorite GameCube game by far.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 05, 2007, 07:36:59 PM
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I don't understand the backtracking complaint with MP2. How was the backtracking in MP2 any different than in MP? How was it different from any Metroid game, for that matter?
2D Metroid games take far less time to traverse. You can go from one end of the map to the other relatively quickly. In 3D, however, Samus is a slow-moving tank.
MP1 had far less backtracking, enough that it was tolerable for me while still being enjoyable. MP2 had far more areas to access, especially with the two world system, and thus far more areas to trek back across..
It's like this: Metroid puzzles and bosses are awesome, some of the best gameplay on the GC. However, MP2 was long periods of going back over areas I had already been in order to reach these bosses and find these puzzles. It's similar to how an RPG on rails holds the next story bit hostage by forcing you to level your characters and thus put more time into the game, except that, instead of grinding for stats, I was trekking back over terrain I'd already seen a dozen times.
Eventually, there came a point where the monotony of backtracking overrode the desire to see the next boss/puzzle, I put the game down, tried it again a few months later but was again fed up with the backtracking.
Backtracking was designed to artificially extend the play time of a game back when content was more difficult to create. In this day and age, we shouldn't need devices like this to inflate game time.
I'll probably pick up MP3, though, as Retro went on the record as saying that they acknowledged that there was too much backtracking in MP2 and would adjust 3 accordingly.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 05, 2007, 07:44:48 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 05, 2007, 07:47:31 PM
Maybe the fact that MP was new made the backtracking more tolerable, but MP2 just felt like more of the same and the backtracking was less tolerable.
Post by: Adrock on April 05, 2007, 07:47:45 PM
It was a good, but seriously flawed game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 05, 2007, 07:48:33 PM
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Oh, don't even get me started on Metroid Prime 2 (namely the Dark World and Nintendo's massive hard-on for the two-worlds mechanic). For Christ's sake, the box boasts of the "all-new ammo system." Are you motherf*cking kidding me? Nevermind, nevermind... let me just say:
It was a good, but seriously flawed game.
It is funny, I have owned MP2 for a couple years now, and haven't even played it! I have heard the complaints though, and wonder if they could be attributed to the relatively short development time (especially for a Metroid game).
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 05, 2007, 08:41:15 PM
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Not as much as MP2, I mean.
Maybe the fact that MP was new made the backtracking more tolerable, but MP2 just felt like more of the same and the backtracking was less tolerable.
Metroid Prime 1 was my first Metroid game and I was dreadfully bored with it, to the point where I questioned the value of the franchise.
But I'm willing to give the 2D games more credit since I agree that 2D games tend to go much faster than 3D games.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 05, 2007, 09:04:02 PM
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MP not much backtracking? I have never beaten the game because of the backtracking. I forget what they are but you need to collect those tablets (or whatever they were, been awhile since I've played). I think when I fought the last boss, I still had at least 4 to find still.
Umm Wut The Flark are you talking about? If you didn't find all the Chozo Artyfacts, you HAVEN'T even seen the 2nd-to-last boss.
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Oh, don't even get me started on Metroid Prime 2 (namely the Dark World and Nintendo's massive hard-on for the two-worlds mechanic). For Christ's sake, the box boasts of the "all-new ammo system." Are you motherf*cking kidding me? Nevermind, nevermind... let me just say:
It was a good, but seriously flawed game.
It is funny, I have owned MP2 for a couple years now, and haven't even played it! I have heard the complaints though, and wonder if they could be attributed to the relatively short development time (especially for a Metroid game).
Not a great assumption considering the game world is bigger, has more minibosses, more graphic touches, more player abilities, and more puzzles than the first MP. A shorter dev time would've revealed some noticeably sloppy glitches and performance, but that's not the case.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 05, 2007, 10:14:33 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
MP not much backtracking? I have never beaten the game because of the backtracking. I forget what they are but you need to collect those tablets (or whatever they were, been awhile since I've played). I think when I fought the last boss, I still had at least 4 to find still.
Umm Wut The Flark are you talking about? If you didn't find all the Chozo Artyfacts, you HAVEN'T even seen the 2nd-to-last boss.Quote
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Oh, don't even get me started on Metroid Prime 2 (namely the Dark World and Nintendo's massive hard-on for the two-worlds mechanic). For Christ's sake, the box boasts of the "all-new ammo system." Are you motherf*cking kidding me? Nevermind, nevermind... let me just say:
It was a good, but seriously flawed game.
It is funny, I have owned MP2 for a couple years now, and haven't even played it! I have heard the complaints though, and wonder if they could be attributed to the relatively short development time (especially for a Metroid game).
Not a great assumption considering the game world is bigger, has more minibosses, more graphic touches, more player abilities, and more puzzles than the first MP. A shorter dev time would've revealed some noticeably sloppy glitches and performance, but that's not the case.
I meant the last boss, as the last one you could beat before you needed all the chozo artifacts. About MP2, I'm just saying what I've heard, it doesn't seem to be nearly as popular as the original, and definately not as well received for whatever reason (I still need to play it!).
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 06, 2007, 09:15:50 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on April 06, 2007, 12:20:13 PM
Keep in mind though, I actually loved sailing in Wind Waker, so maybe I am just weird and like long distance treks through game worlds.
Post by: TrueNerd on April 06, 2007, 12:42:36 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 06, 2007, 03:25:44 PM
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Anyone who says anything negative about the Primes is either a homosexual or a communist that hates freedom. And in most cases, they are both.
Post by: Blue Plant on April 06, 2007, 09:18:39 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 06, 2007, 10:52:26 PM
Strangely, it's similar to Blue Plant's avvy as well.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 07, 2007, 06:17:26 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on April 07, 2007, 07:34:00 AM
In all seriousness though, I do not get the backtracking complaints in either Prime. Usually when you're backtracking, you're doing it to accomplish something like explore a new area, pick up a new weapon or fight some boss. The excitement and the anticipation of such things, for me at least, totally overrides any boredom or annoyance from seeing the same environment again for the sixth time. And when you're backtracking, you don't have to fight the enemies that respawn. You can simply avoid them. Even the Chozo Ghosts.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 07, 2007, 08:50:58 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on April 07, 2007, 09:11:04 AM
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That was a joke, my last post there. Perhaps it was bad form. I would never seriously use the word homosexual as a derogatory term. At least, I haven't since I was 14. Sorry if it was offensive and/or not funny.
In all seriousness though, I do not get the backtracking complaints in either Prime. Usually when you're backtracking, you're doing it to accomplish something like explore a new area, pick up a new weapon or fight some boss. The excitement and the anticipation of such things, for me at least, totally overrides any boredom or annoyance from seeing the same environment again for the sixth time. And when you're backtracking, you don't have to fight the enemies that respawn. You can simply avoid them. Even the Chozo Ghosts.
In my case, I found the backtracking to be boring because Samus was slow as hell. Plus, too much of it can get tedious.
Backtracking ranks very high with collect-a-thons; Both are shallow ways of extending replay value.
Like Mad Magazine once stated; "The 100+ plus hours of gameplay a developer boasts is simply backtracking quests".
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 07, 2007, 09:13:58 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 07, 2007, 11:22:09 AM
As for the backtracking, Retro already apologized for it and said MP3 wouldn't be as bad, hence the only reason I'll consider picking up the game (that, and online play, if it has it).
Post by: mantidor on April 07, 2007, 12:49:22 PM
Post by: Chiller on April 07, 2007, 02:15:23 PM
Post by: TrueNerd on April 07, 2007, 06:57:38 PM
QuoteThis is truth. Artifact hunting is almost as bad as sailing around and retrieving chunks of Triforce from the ocean floor.
Originally posted by: mantidor
What they need to get rid off is the key/artifact hunt, not the backtracking, when you have the previous knowledge that you need to get a certain number of items it makes the quest seem larger than what it really is, also, in 2D games Samus can backtrack much faster thanks to the new abilities like screw attack and boost, something that wasn't implemented as deep in the 3D games.
Almost.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 07, 2007, 07:10:16 PM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerdQuoteThis is truth. Artifact hunting is almost as bad as sailing around and retrieving chunks of Triforce from the ocean floor.
Originally posted by: mantidor
What they need to get rid off is the key/artifact hunt, not the backtracking, when you have the previous knowledge that you need to get a certain number of items it makes the quest seem larger than what it really is, also, in 2D games Samus can backtrack much faster thanks to the new abilities like screw attack and boost, something that wasn't implemented as deep in the 3D games.
Almost.
Except you actually feel like beating the game, which makes the torture almost bareable, can't say the same about MP1.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 07, 2007, 07:31:57 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 07, 2007, 07:36:29 PM
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MP1 was fine for me. I don't know if it's the fact that the experience was new or not, but it was fine for me whereas MP2 just didn't go over so well.
Actually I think MP1 is a very good game, but frankly I'll pass on MP3 if it has the artifact hunting again. I don't mind backtracking to get new items, or enter new areas, but I don't like having to go on a scavenger hunt if I happen to miss important items that I need to beat the game. It is my preference that a game should be designed intuitively where when you are almost to the end you don't need to backtrack looking in every nook and cranny for an item.
Post by: Artimus on April 07, 2007, 07:41:12 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 07, 2007, 07:43:46 PM
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MP1 is fantastic. I don't really recall much backtracking, beyond what felt necessary.
MP1 had alot of backtracking, mainly for the artifacts. When I beat my final boss, I was still missing several of the artifacts and to go back and get them, wherever they may be in that huge world, was not very appealing. Technically you could say the same thing about Wind Waker's Triforce collection too, if you would have gotten them as you progressed it wouldn't be nearly as a tedious, and would include much less backtracking. I dunno, but it seems to me to be poor design or at the very least questionable design that you aren't led to items one after another, instead of potentially being faced with a huge scavenger quest towards the end.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 07, 2007, 07:44:42 PM
Post by: Adrock on April 07, 2007, 08:05:23 PM
And Samus needs to explode when she dies. That was one of the cooler parts in the 2D Metroid games. The death scenes in the Prime series have been super-lame. That's not really Prime 2's problem, let alone a problem in general. It's just something I, as a Metroid fan, would like to see.
Post by: King of Twitch on April 07, 2007, 09:32:57 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 08, 2007, 05:34:29 AM
Post by: MaryJane on April 08, 2007, 06:26:38 AM
I also like multiplayer Metriod, I really don't know why everything about everything must be complained about. Samus is a solo bounty hunter? Since when do story and multiplayer FPSs go together? (Besides co-op) Oh but Metriod Prime is an FPA! Not when you're playing with other people it isn't. Really how hard is it to detach yourself from a story? I can't imagine the real lives of people who can't seperate fiction from fiction, let alone fiction from life.
Post by: Artimus on April 08, 2007, 06:32:41 AM
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MP1 is fantastic. I don't really recall much backtracking, beyond what felt necessary.
MP1 had alot of backtracking, mainly for the artifacts. When I beat my final boss, I was still missing several of the artifacts and to go back and get them, wherever they may be in that huge world, was not very appealing. Technically you could say the same thing about Wind Waker's Triforce collection too, if you would have gotten them as you progressed it wouldn't be nearly as a tedious, and would include much less backtracking. I dunno, but it seems to me to be poor design or at the very least questionable design that you aren't led to items one after another, instead of potentially being faced with a huge scavenger quest towards the end.
I really don't remember this?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 08, 2007, 09:40:28 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Artimus
MP1 is fantastic. I don't really recall much backtracking, beyond what felt necessary.
MP1 had alot of backtracking, mainly for the artifacts. When I beat my final boss, I was still missing several of the artifacts and to go back and get them, wherever they may be in that huge world, was not very appealing. Technically you could say the same thing about Wind Waker's Triforce collection too, if you would have gotten them as you progressed it wouldn't be nearly as a tedious, and would include much less backtracking. I dunno, but it seems to me to be poor design or at the very least questionable design that you aren't led to items one after another, instead of potentially being faced with a huge scavenger quest towards the end.
I really don't remember this?
You don't remember having to collect the 12 artifacts before you could unlock the final area of the game? I sure do.
Post by: ThePerm on April 08, 2007, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: Artimus on April 08, 2007, 10:16:50 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: ArtimusQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Artimus
MP1 is fantastic. I don't really recall much backtracking, beyond what felt necessary.
MP1 had alot of backtracking, mainly for the artifacts. When I beat my final boss, I was still missing several of the artifacts and to go back and get them, wherever they may be in that huge world, was not very appealing. Technically you could say the same thing about Wind Waker's Triforce collection too, if you would have gotten them as you progressed it wouldn't be nearly as a tedious, and would include much less backtracking. I dunno, but it seems to me to be poor design or at the very least questionable design that you aren't led to items one after another, instead of potentially being faced with a huge scavenger quest towards the end.
I really don't remember this?
You don't remember having to collect the 12 artifacts before you could unlock the final area of the game? I sure do.
Like, before you go down and kill the big metroid monster, right? After you kill Ripley? I think the thing was that I had worked my way through everything, getting all the missiles and stuff so I just had them by then.
Post by: mantidor on April 08, 2007, 02:07:38 PM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerdQuoteThis is truth. Artifact hunting is almost as bad as sailing around and retrieving chunks of Triforce from the ocean floor.
Originally posted by: mantidor
What they need to get rid off is the key/artifact hunt, not the backtracking, when you have the previous knowledge that you need to get a certain number of items it makes the quest seem larger than what it really is, also, in 2D games Samus can backtrack much faster thanks to the new abilities like screw attack and boost, something that wasn't implemented as deep in the 3D games.
Almost.
I feel like clarifying that in no way I consider MP1 or 2 flawed games, they are close to perfection and I love them equally, those are just slight improvements I thought about, and anyway any real Metroid player should had already half the keys/artifacts by the point you are asked to get them, the same with the triforce pieces.
Post by: Smoke39 on April 08, 2007, 02:08:54 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
any real Metroid player should had already half the keys/artifacts by the point you are asked to get them, the same with the triforce pieces.
Except for the part where exploring Talon IV was fun, and sailing across the ocean was not.
Post by: Kairon on April 08, 2007, 02:36:01 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 08, 2007, 02:59:27 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidorQuote
Originally posted by: TrueNerdQuoteThis is truth. Artifact hunting is almost as bad as sailing around and retrieving chunks of Triforce from the ocean floor.
Originally posted by: mantidor
What they need to get rid off is the key/artifact hunt, not the backtracking, when you have the previous knowledge that you need to get a certain number of items it makes the quest seem larger than what it really is, also, in 2D games Samus can backtrack much faster thanks to the new abilities like screw attack and boost, something that wasn't implemented as deep in the 3D games.
Almost.
I feel like clarifying that in no way I consider MP1 or 2 flawed games, they are close to perfection and I love them equally, those are just slight improvements I thought about, and anyway any real Metroid player should had already half the keys/artifacts by the point you are asked to get them, the same with the triforce pieces.
Um what exactly is a "real" Metroid player anyway? I put alot of hours into MP and I still was missing quite a few artifacts (I may have had half though). In Zelda: WW I had none of the triforce pieces, and I consider myself a "real" Zelda player. Regardless I still don't like when games slam you over the head with a scavenger hunt right before the end before you can beat it, I prefer them to be designed so you are collecting them as you go, where you are FORCED to find them long before you need them.
Post by: Smoke39 on April 08, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
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Um what exactly is a "real" Metroid player anyway?
People who don't cry over having to move in any direction other than forward or having to find things on their own. ;b
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 08, 2007, 03:46:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39Quote
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Um what exactly is a "real" Metroid player anyway?
People who don't cry over having to move in any direction other than forward or having to find things on their own. ;b
So people who prefer the 2D Metroid games aren't real metroid players? I have no problem finding things, but I want the game designed so it gives it to you in digestable chunks before you can progress, instead of letting you get through a game and when you are almost done tell you "Oops you still need to find all this stuff you missed".
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 08, 2007, 06:23:08 PM
There's no need for them in this age of gaming, really.
Post by: ShyGuy on April 08, 2007, 06:33:12 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 08, 2007, 06:55:39 PM
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I enjoy scavenger hunts. They are one of the foundations of the adventure genre.
You are right to a degree, but I prefer them to be more side-quests, or if they are indeed scavenger hunts have them be relatively short or broken up into bits (TP did a good job with this, none of the scavenger hunts felt too tedious IMO). I love exploring, but I don't want to be forced to spend several hours locating a collection of items around the world in order to finish the game.
Post by: TrueNerd on April 08, 2007, 07:10:54 PM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on April 09, 2007, 05:55:13 AM
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Scavenger hunts are a device for artificially extending the play time of a game. Nothing more.
There's no need for them in this age of gaming, really.
That second line is, sadly, not true. It takes a lot of time and work to build the detailed virtual worlds people expect these days. Extending a game by making players spend more time in fewer areas is a lot easier than extending a game by adding more levels. I think we'd all prefer the latter, but it's not always feasible.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 09, 2007, 06:02:41 AM
I don't mind them if they're disguised as something else, like with mini-boss battles before you acquire every item, but I think there are more interesting things you can do with a certain area which has been made.
For example, Deus Ex reused a LOT of levels, but it did so by completely revamping the content in those levels as well as changing the locations where the player enters from each time. I wouldn't mind a scavenger hunt if I was sent to collect items which were guarded by new monsters or sealed behind puzzles which are suddenly opened in the same areas I had already been in.
Post by: Ceric on April 09, 2007, 06:04:20 AM
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Yeah, the scavenger hunts in both the Primes and Wind Waker are my least favorite parts of those otherwise near perfect games, but I feel at least in Prime 1 it wasn't too awful. It was tedious getting to the rooms where the artifacts were, but once you were there, it was fun figuring out how to acquire them. Wind Waker's scavenger hunt was nothing more then, "Sail here, lower grappling hook. Repeat seven more times." There was absolutely nothing rewarding about that.
..and it made you deal more with the much hating boring ocean. *looks around*
I agree about Prime 1. When I got to the end and they said I had to find those little things. I was like, "Oh that's what those are for" I had already found all but 2.
Post by: mantidor on April 09, 2007, 09:11:08 AM
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Yeah, the scavenger hunts in both the Primes and Wind Waker are my least favorite parts of those otherwise near perfect games, but I feel at least in Prime 1 it wasn't too awful. It was tedious getting to the rooms where the artifacts were, but once you were there, it was fun figuring out how to acquire them. Wind Waker's scavenger hunt was nothing more then, "Sail here, lower grappling hook. Repeat seven more times." There was absolutely nothing rewarding about that.
You could do that in five minutes, getting the maps themselves and the rupees to pay Tingle was what was time-consuming, and every map dungeon was fantastic, I really enjoyed thoroughly every single one of them.
I was joking about the real metroid player anyway :P, I just think the complain is exaggerated, these are exploration games after all, its not that bad, certainly not bad enough to stop playing the game because of it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 09, 2007, 11:09:09 AM
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Originally posted by: TrueNerd
Yeah, the scavenger hunts in both the Primes and Wind Waker are my least favorite parts of those otherwise near perfect games, but I feel at least in Prime 1 it wasn't too awful. It was tedious getting to the rooms where the artifacts were, but once you were there, it was fun figuring out how to acquire them. Wind Waker's scavenger hunt was nothing more then, "Sail here, lower grappling hook. Repeat seven more times." There was absolutely nothing rewarding about that.
You could do that in five minutes, getting the maps themselves and the rupees to pay Tingle was what was time-consuming, and every map dungeon was fantastic, I really enjoyed thoroughly every single one of them.
I was joking about the real metroid player anyway :P, I just think the complain is exaggerated, these are exploration games after all, its not that bad, certainly not bad enough to stop playing the game because of it.
It is if you don't like scavenger hunts, not to mention that the previous Metroid games (Not sure about MEtroid 2, I never could stand that game) didn't have anything like that. They had exploration but, IMO, but it was skillfully crafted so you did your exploring as your progressed.
Post by: TrueNerd on April 09, 2007, 06:58:06 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on April 09, 2007, 07:25:26 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 10, 2007, 02:28:02 AM
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They're very distinct styles. I like them both about equally.
Well I do think the MP games are of high quality, and definately did a great job of transitioning Metroid to 3D, even if they still have a few hiccups that need to be ironed out. I remember back when they first announced that Metroid Prime would be 1st person, people had a heart attack (Seems Nintendo fans get alot of those!).
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 10, 2007, 07:42:49 AM
The scavenger hunts didn't bother me, because I'm a very thorough person when I play a game so I had most of them by the time I had to collect them (in Wind Waker and Metroid). However, I do consider it a design flaw, and wish to this day that they'd delayed Wind Waker to add the extra dungeons and stuff.
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 10, 2007, 07:43:18 AM
Post by: Ceric on April 10, 2007, 08:22:57 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 21, 2007, 02:19:44 AM
All the credit goes to Rhoq for finding this, he just put it in the wrong spot.
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I don't know how anyone missed this one, but Nintendo announced that Metroid Prime 3: Corruption will be released on August 20, 2007 in North America...
Official NOA Press Release
Post by: Rhoq on May 21, 2007, 03:29:07 AM
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Sorry I need to repost this here, I hate people making new threads for every bit of information released about a game.
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Originally posted by: Rhoq
I don't know how anyone missed this one, but Nintendo announced that Metroid Prime 3: Corruption will be released on August 20, 2007 in North America...
Official NOA Press Release
I would have posted it here, but after weighing the pros and cons of doing so - I figured most people wouldn't want to sift through 23 pages of posts just to get the release date info.
Post by: Nemo on May 21, 2007, 04:48:57 PM
Post by: Caliban on May 21, 2007, 04:59:35 PM
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Hurray! If I beat it real fast, I can be done before college starts up again. I won't do poorly in classes.
What if it has an excellent online multiplayer mode?
Even if it is most certainly possible to finish the main story and have 100% completion within 2 or 3 weeks (if you have nothing else to do), and then hypothetically it has an excellent online multiplayer mode...basically you (we) are still screwed and then the grades will be bad, however not as bad as those that will be playing Halo 3 mwuahahahahahahaha.
Note: I personally would not want an online multiplayer, not because of school, but because the main explorative adventure is what I really care about, nevertheless if there is such a mode and it is excellent then I shall (to my consequent scholastic demise) fully welcome it.
Post by: Nemo on May 21, 2007, 05:07:37 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 21, 2007, 05:09:26 PM
And extra Metroid Pinball levels.
And Metroid Pachinko.
And Metroid Billiards.
And Morphball Bomberman Levels.
And Morphball Pac-Man levels.
Yeah that's the extent of it's online modes.
Post by: Caliban on May 21, 2007, 05:10:59 PM
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it'll probably have Kororinpa levels using Morph Ball abilties.
And extra Metroid Pinball levels.
And Metroid Pachinko.
And Metroid Billiards.
And Morphball Bomberman Levels.
And Morphball Pac-Man levels.
Yeah that's the extent of it's online modes.
That's not a bad idea.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 22, 2007, 04:52:39 AM
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/media.cfm?artid=1564&MedTID=1
Post by: Rhoq on May 22, 2007, 05:08:16 AM
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New Screens don't look Next Gen.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/media.cfm?artid=1564&MedTID=1
Next-gen graphics, or in this cast not, aside - what is up with those jaggies? I see aliasing issues galore and these pics are pretty small. I hope these screens are not indicative of the final game or else a lot of people will be complaining - even on a 19" SD tube. I'd to see what these images would look like stretched-out on a large display. This is a bit disappointing, especially considering that it was delayed for 9 months. You'd think they would have polished it up a bit.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2007, 05:13:21 AM
I'm wondering where you've been the past few generations...Ninty takes HORRIBLE screenshots that look nothing like the game does in motion...That is all...
Post by: ShyGuy on May 22, 2007, 05:16:54 AM
Post by: Mario on May 22, 2007, 05:22:24 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2007, 05:28:16 AM
Man, Wind Waker looks horrible...I guess the game is going to look like crap in motion, am i right? Oh wait...
Post by: Rhoq on May 22, 2007, 05:29:24 AM
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"Next-gen graphics, or in this cast not, aside - what is up with those jaggies? I see aliasing issues galore and these pics are pretty small."
I'm wondering where you've been the past few generations...Ninty takes HORRIBLE screenshots that look nothing like the game does in motion...That is all...
Bill, with all due respect - that is utter B.S.
The latest "Brawl" screens look fantastic. The Twilight Princess screens all looked good. If this really is Nintendo taking horrible screens, then it would be the first time I've ever noticed it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2007, 05:33:43 AM
Mmmmm, Mario Sunshine had some nice screens too! (augh)
And come on, Brawl's screens are smaller than normal screens to hide the aliasing...
Post by: Rhoq on May 22, 2007, 05:51:10 AM
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Mmmmm, Mario Sunshine had some nice screens too! (augh)
And come on, Brawl's screens are smaller than normal screens to hide the aliasing...
That is fugly, but still - I think it's the exception rather than the rule. You may be correct about Brawl's screens, however they still looks leagues better than the MP3 pics released today, which are roughly the same size.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 22, 2007, 05:52:38 AM
Prime 1
Prime 2
Prime 3 from months ago.
Prime 3 now
Post by: Rhoq on May 22, 2007, 05:54:34 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 22, 2007, 06:00:49 AM
I was really hoping for online, but this is practically absolute confirmation that it isn't online. (I won't say it is, because until the game is out we don't know what Nintendo or Retro could be hiding.)
The game sounds epic though, and that is going to be exciting.
Post by: mantidor on May 22, 2007, 06:20:23 AM
The screens are ok and I need to see it in motion, but the comparison with galaxy/brawl screens is not favorable, besides the screens aren't showing anything we didn't already see in past footage.
Post by: Adrock on May 22, 2007, 07:35:39 AM
My hope for Corruption is that it crushes Prime 2 gameplay wise. When Echoes wasn't more of the same (i.e. Light Aether), it was a pain in the ass most of the time (i.e. Dark Aether).
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 22, 2007, 07:52:35 AM
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you know whats funny? retro outright DENIED any multiplayer a long time ago, but people still expected it, and now they are whiny... you have only yourselves to blame.
Actually, with the internet being the rumor mill that it is and Reggie's refusal to outright DENY multiplayer, I wouldn't blame people at all.
It was supposed to be a launch title and was delayed for nearly a year. Most assumed that they had to be adding some immense new feature to it, otherwise how could they have been so wrong about the dev time? (unless they're planning on porting it to Wii 2, heh).
If there is indeed no multiplayer, I'll just have to wait for Redsteel 2. If Nintendo won't do it, hopefully Ubisoft will.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 22, 2007, 08:07:14 AM
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ShyGuy - The "Prime 2" screen looks the best...
Above is another comparison I will certainly throw out. The Prime2 shot and the month-ago Prime3 shot are the most comparable, resolution wise and capture-method-wise, but then again you're comparing a CLOSED ROOM (Prime2) to the EXTERIOR OF A BASE INSIDE AN EMPTY CANYON AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME (Prime3). Guess which shot will throw more polygons into your view point? These 2 screens aren't even displayed at the game's resolution, they're smaller.
And Brawl's screens are not roughly the same size as the Prime3 screens. Maybe your monitor resolution is too high and forgot that most of the world sees 480 vertical pixels on their TV, so things seem to fall into the same "small" ballpark on your monitor. Brawl's oh-so-tiny screens are small enough to hide pixels edges. And Prime3's larger screens were made by someone who lacks knowledge on picture resizing functions (never used Irfanview?).
Rule #1
- Don't expect Nintendo and its partners to release good screenshots.
Rule #2
- Nintendo and its partners don't create screenshots using the same methods, every time. They basically figure out how to make screenshots "for the first time ever" every time they need to release new screenshots.
Oh, and since Prime3 runs at 60fps, you've got to lose image detail somewhere. Tell me about an action game on 360 or PS3 that involves runny-shooty-shooty w/ guns that offers that kind of fluidity (then tell me why many games aren't running 60fps in the first place even though they're on the next generation of hardware while many 16-bit games ran at 60fps).
Post by: ShyGuy on May 22, 2007, 08:25:33 AM
Post by: MattVDB on May 22, 2007, 08:36:34 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 22, 2007, 08:53:52 AM
What I'm not digging at all is how plastic/metallic everything is, I know the prime games weren't that good in that regard, but the ing in echoes were a step in the right direction towards a more "organic" feel so to speak, which is the norm in the 2D games. I don't know if its a graphics problem ( its easier to render a metallic armor than a giant bug oozing some weird green goo) or an art problem ( they want the game to be more "edgy" or something and they don't like giant bugs). Well, we haven't seen the whole thing yet, so I'm still waiting, retro has to had done something in this extra year of development, and I hope is a disgusting giant creature right out of an Alien movie and not an armada or federation troopers.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on May 22, 2007, 09:01:04 AM
And MattVDB, you've got a good eye.
Post by: Requiem on May 22, 2007, 09:03:24 AM
In Super Metriod, I like how everything had a old organic feel to it. Like how there was still technology, but it was over-run by nature.
Post by: The Traveller on May 22, 2007, 11:06:23 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 22, 2007, 11:43:05 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 22, 2007, 11:50:54 AM
If not online multiplayer, why the hell was the game delayed?
Post by: Requiem on May 22, 2007, 01:05:53 PM
To add to/fix/tweak the gameplay?
I don't know...It's just a guess....
Post by: Maverick on May 22, 2007, 01:10:11 PM
Post by: The Traveller on May 22, 2007, 01:15:24 PM
Post by: MattVDB on May 22, 2007, 01:16:30 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2007, 01:21:44 PM
Different planet...But Retro did confirm we'd be visiting different planets, so I think it'd be silly to think that there won't be any "natural" regions in the game...
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 22, 2007, 01:28:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Maverick
Am I the only one who hasn't had the patience to even finish Prime 2, yet?
I couldn't finish it, either.
I love the puzzles and bosses (which ARE puzzles in their own right) in the Metroid games. They're clever and typically awesome, but the sheer amount of walking around between these puzzles and bosses was so boring that I couldn't finish it.
Prime 3 supposedly fixed that, though.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 22, 2007, 02:17:09 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 22, 2007, 02:22:41 PM
Post by: Mario on May 22, 2007, 02:51:06 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
oh good observation.
What I'm not digging at all is how plastic/metallic everything is, I know the prime games weren't that good in that regard, but the ing in echoes were a step in the right direction towards a more "organic" feel so to speak, which is the norm in the 2D games. I don't know if its a graphics problem ( its easier to render a metallic armor than a giant bug oozing some weird green goo) or an art problem ( they want the game to be more "edgy" or something and they don't like giant bugs). Well, we haven't seen the whole thing yet, so I'm still waiting, retro has to had done something in this extra year of development, and I hope is a disgusting giant creature right out of an Alien movie and not an armada or federation troopers.
I'm sure there are many more environments they want to keep hidden.
Post by: Chiller on May 22, 2007, 03:09:21 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 22, 2007, 05:57:13 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 22, 2007, 07:03:52 PM
Time to close it and cancel the Prime series.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2007, 11:31:49 PM
So you play Metroid games why? =\
Post by: Requiem on May 23, 2007, 05:59:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"I just can't stand all the backtracking and stuff you have to do."
So you play Metroid games why? =\
Or even Zelda for that matter?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 23, 2007, 08:17:03 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 23, 2007, 08:21:42 AM
God knows, it makes sense for the story.
Post by: mantidor on May 23, 2007, 02:37:27 PM
Post by: IceCold on May 23, 2007, 04:37:41 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 23, 2007, 05:13:01 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Maybe its just me but teleporters kind of cheapen the game, The only metroidvania I've played is Dawn of Sorrow and the game would be a pain without them, but the game is inferior in level design compared to metroid. all areas in metroid games are interconnected very well, the worst in that regard are the 3D metroids and still I didn't had any trouble getting anywhere fast, you just have to know your map.
They may cheapen the game, but they beat the hell out of lumbering from one end of the map to the other.
Post by: Kairon on May 23, 2007, 05:21:16 PM
Post by: mantidor on May 23, 2007, 05:25:43 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
I told you.. you should have gotten Hotel Dusk
Its your fault people, why did you buy it out!?
around here it costs $60 I simply can't afford it my only chance was to get it over there in the states.Catlevania is good though, I went from liking the game to love it when I heard the original theme remix, I don't regret getting it, but the overall level is very linear, when you play metroid games it constantly surprises you by connecting the new area you are just exploring with an old area, you really don't have to go to one extreme of the map to another because there are no extremes, it connects all and by the end it goes full circle, you can get to the final boss from the starting point without having to travel all the areas, as opposed to a castlevania without teleporters.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 24, 2007, 12:11:57 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Lumbering isn't lumbering if the environment is a celebration of your navigational and movement abilities. Shortcuts opened up via exploration and use of abilities strike me as magical things.
Smartest new post I've seen in this thread. There's still hope yet.
I hope MP3 is like Super Metroid in that it has NO hint system whatsoever, just to drive you handholding-linearity-loving-weaklings nuts. Ensure that you venture into the UNKNOWN instead some blip on an empty map to induce some sort of expectation.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 24, 2007, 02:18:33 AM
Since we are dealing with planets I don't know how you could interconnect all the worlds together, unless they have a teleport system.
Personally, this makes the most sense to me. I love the idea of going to several planets with a single mission, exploring and moving on. Then I choose if I want to go back.
Post by: Athrun Zala on May 24, 2007, 05:24:55 AM
QuoteYES.
Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
I never finished Prime, and never played Prime 2. Am I a bad person?
*Kairon wins best post in the thread award*
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 24, 2007, 05:34:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Lumbering isn't lumbering if the environment is a celebration of your navigational and movement abilities. Shortcuts opened up via exploration and use of abilities strike me as magical things.
For those of us who prefer to spend our entertainment time being, you know, entertained, lumbering is still lumbering.
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
This assumes that the "handholding weaklings" will be buying the game in the first place.
However, Retro already apologized for MP2 and promised 3 won't have anywhere near the amount of backtracking, so the weaklings win anyway.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 24, 2007, 06:10:20 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 24, 2007, 06:37:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
For those of us who prefer to spend our entertainment time being, you know, entertained, lumbering is still lumbering.
I'm sorry you get bored when you have to think, but for some of us, it is really entertaining to figure out things by exploring, I really don't mind the key/artifact hunts to be replaced by a better puzzle mechanic, but I wasn't bored when I was doing them. And those were the worst offenders, if you are that concerned about the general backtracking of metroid games that you need teleporters maybe you should look elsewhere for your fun.
Oh and of course there will be a hint system but as before it will be an option.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 24, 2007, 07:12:45 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I'm sorry you get bored when you have to think
Pay attention.
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Originally posted by: me, one page ago
I love the puzzles and bosses (which ARE puzzles in their own right) in the Metroid games. They're clever and typically awesome, but the sheer amount of walking around between these puzzles and bosses was so boring that I couldn't finish it.
I love having to outthink a game, but when I'm walking through an area I walked through three times already, having to kill the same irritating enemy which I already killed three times, there's no thinking involved.
If I wanted a game heavily laden with repetitive, monotonous encounters which forces you to trudge back and forth through the same areas and calls it "gameplay", I wouldn't have quit World of Warcraft.
Post by: Ceric on May 24, 2007, 07:43:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Well we know that Samus is going to be exploring several different planets. I am willing to bet that these planets are going to have well defined, tight level design...that will hold many secrets to those who want to explore after getting new items and power ups, but will not be crazy backtracking like in Prime 2, or potentially even Prime 1.
Since we are dealing with planets I don't know how you could interconnect all the worlds together, unless they have a teleport system.
Personally, this makes the most sense to me. I love the idea of going to several planets with a single mission, exploring and moving on. Then I choose if I want to go back.
<Begin Untruth>
Samus will have the ability to go to a different dimension, which will be labelled Bizarro. In Bizarro everywhere that is space in the normal dimension there will be planet and vice versa. In the process a third Samus comes about. This one is Male with a Nuclear family that doesn't love him and is a private in the local Military. Did I mention that he has the ability to drain the life force from things? In this dimension the "Metroids" are raised like cattle because of their large life force and Herbivoric habits.
Upon entering this dimension Samus Prime will have open up a hole that will be found by Samus Male while Dark Samus has been reeking havoc there already. Samus Male will learn that in the "Normal" dimensions that he will register to all scanners as Samus Prime. Visual identification is in fact the only way to tell Prime and Male apart without the armor. Each armor has a distinctive look and a variety of unique abilities as par for the game.
With these storyline elements in place the game will contain little in-game backtracking. Instead you will have the ability to play through the storyline as each of the Sami. In fact you may also play Co-op and the most exciting feature Interactive Adventure.
Interactive Adventure may be played in 1 of 3 ways. Same Machine, WiiConnect24, and LAN Play/Same time Online. Using these three different play schemes 3 unique players will be able to play through the game with 1 one of the three Sami while having the other two effect the environment around them through their actions. This will be handled in different ways dependent on the form of play.
- In Same Machine play, the save files of the other two players will be read to determine their progress and the state of the world.
- In Wiiconnect24 Mode a nightly update of the 2 friends you are playing with will be recieved and that data will determine the state of the world.
- The most exciting mode is LAN Play/Same Time Online. This mode supports 3 players, or 2 and a computer, each player will play on their machine the individual stories of the 3 Sami. So instead of going against a computer version of the 2 you will be going against your friends at random times and during special story convergences. Also fighting with them for general enhancements and dealing with the environmental changes brought about by the other Sami.
As you can see a lot of time and care have been put in to make this the most unique Metroid ever. Especial with its added dimension that builds and expands off the Light/Dark mechanic of Metroid Prime 2.</End Untruth>(Hopefully) It will also be the least eye intensive with its rock solid 60 frames per second and wide screen support. It's good to be Prime.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 24, 2007, 12:50:56 PM
If you enjoy it, fine. I'm not going to question your enjoyment of it, but don't question ME or anyone else who found the game too tedious.
Post by: Mashiro on May 24, 2007, 01:12:40 PM
Super Metroid is stlll hands down the best in the series IMHO.
Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2007, 01:29:24 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 24, 2007, 01:37:37 PM
Did you forget the main character gets by, by shooting things? For like, the entire series?
"I love the puzzles and bosses (which ARE puzzles in their own right) in the Metroid games. They're clever and typically awesome, but the sheer amount of walking around between these puzzles and bosses was so boring that I couldn't finish it."
Puzzletastic bosses in Super Metroid? Hardly. Stop generalizing. jump, duck, and shoot. that's all.
You make walking sound like a bad thing. It's like you didn't try to traverse quickly or you didn't really know where you're supposed to go and you pay an excessive amount of attention to every square-foot of wall and floor you walk by. You talk as if you had to stop at every enemy you meet, have tea, spend at least 30 seconds strafing around it to hit the weak spot, then finally kill it. But all you had to do was jump over it and roll yourself to the next blue door (or screw attack, even).
But you are right that the inclusion of a teleport would alleviate the backtracking impression. But it would have to be lightning fast like Talking to Midna, and the locations not as generous. The teleport rooms in SotN and Circle of the Moon were handy, but I felt they took forever to reach, despite the 2D gameplay (Alucard was slow, and Circle had a more convoluted level design). All that other junk people mentioned about highlighting spots on maps would be helpful too.
Be careful what you wish for. I don't want MP3's game worlds to be a disappointingly predictable series of dungeon rooms with little to no branching, like what we got in Toilet Princess.
I personally like the convoluted nature of MP2. More places and more interesting ways of hiding secrets, and less gigantic arena rooms with big pockets of empty air space.
EDIT: Is that the best crab you could find?
Post by: ShyGuy on May 24, 2007, 01:44:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
HIT IT IN THE WEAKSPOT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE! /oldmeme
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 24, 2007, 02:24:54 PM
Funny how it looks appropriate in a Metroid game.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 24, 2007, 02:26:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666 Did you forget the main character gets by, by shooting things? For like, the entire series?
Shooting things you've killed already and are easy to kill doesn't involve thinking. Solving puzzles using your gun or fighting new enemies which have unique vulnerabilities does.
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Puzzletastic bosses in Super Metroid? Hardly. Stop generalizing. jump, duck, and shoot. that's all.
Who's talking about Super Metroid? The bosses in Prime and P2 generally made you figure out a boss' weak point and attack pattern before you could kill it and it resulted in a very satisfying experience.
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You make walking sound like a bad thing. It's like you didn't try to traverse quickly or you didn't really know where you're supposed to go and you pay an excessive amount of attention to every square-foot of wall and floor you walk by. You talk as if you had to stop at every enemy you meet, have tea, spend at least 30 seconds strafing around it to hit the weak spot, then finally kill it. But all you had to do was jump over it and roll yourself to the next blue door (or screw attack, even).
I never played far enough to get the screw attack. I stopped playing shortly after the boost ball due to boredom, but that was after going back to it having quit the first time.
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But you are right that the inclusion of a teleport would alleviate the backtracking impression. But it would have to be lightning fast like Talking to Midna, and the locations not as generous. The teleport rooms in SotN and Circle of the Moon were handy, but I felt they took forever to reach, despite the 2D gameplay (Alucard was slow, and Circle had a more convoluted level design). All that other junk people mentioned about highlighting spots on maps would be helpful too.
I liked their placement in DoS. It kept you from having to traverse the map when you would gain little exp from it. I'd prefer it in Metroid for the same reason. Maybe even a "teleport to ship" option so you could at least go all the way back to your ship after beating a boss in the far off middle of nowhere (though I realize that might be more blasphemous to the franchise).
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Be careful what you wish for. I don't want MP3's game worlds to be a disappointingly predictable series of dungeon rooms with little to no branching, like what we got in Toilet Princess.
I personally like the convoluted nature of MP2. More places and more interesting ways of hiding secrets, and less gigantic arena rooms with big pockets of empty air space.
I don't mind the hiding of secrets in complex environs. I just mind that I never had the correct weapon to open them when I found them and that meant that, if I wanted to be thorough, more backtracking.
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EDIT: Is that the best crab you could find?
You prefer the alternative?
Post by: Smoke39 on May 24, 2007, 03:37:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherI don't mind the hiding of secrets in complex environs. I just mind that I never had the correct weapon to open them when I found them and that meant that, if I wanted to be thorough, more backtracking.
That's what makes it interesting. The world isn't designed to match up perfectly with your progress. It makes the world feel more like a real place instead of a neat and tidy series of challenges put together by some game designer.
Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2007, 05:39:41 PM
If you played Metroid Prime, then you played Metroid Prime 2. Nothing really new there except it's harder and has a stupid ammo system inherently tied to a stupid plot device bootlegged from a 1991 SNES game. Echoes wasn't bad, it just wasn't great. The original kind of surprised a lot of people due to all the development problems and internal drama within Retro. Echoes had a lot to live up to.
Post by: Smash_Brother on May 24, 2007, 05:45:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39 The world isn't designed to match up perfectly with your progress. It makes the world feel more like a real place instead of a neat and tidy series of challenges put together by some game designer.
I know what you're saying, but in order for it to feel like a REAL place, the enemies shouldn't respawn every time I walk into a room I JUST left. It would have been a lot less irritating if the monsters stayed dead, or at least after enough TIME, they were replaced with a HARDER monster which I then had to kill once.
I'm still thinking about Prime 3. The new hunters have got my interest piqued.
I'm guaranteed a rent, but a buy still might happen, depending on how psyched I get for the new control scheme.
Oh, and if anyone wants the template...
Enjoy!
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 23, 2007, 01:12:00 PM
- First level - You are attacked on a spaceship while meeting with the ship’s captain…action packed
- Play feels motion controls work better than dual joystick
- Super sensitive pointer in “advanced” mode
- Beam stacking ala Super Metroid
- Visor switch: Hold minus and flick Wiimote in certain directions
- Boss fight with Ridley at the end of the first level. Excellent difficulty curve by the time you reach the boss.
- Back tracking in MP3:C makes more sense than in previous Primes
- Extra development time was to give the game more polish. Nintendo wanted “Twilight Princess” levels of polish. Game is focused on Metroid fans and hardcore gamers, but still accessible to newcomers due to controls.
- Second level - floating city focused on exploration
- Larger environments, bloom lighting, better textures than Prime 2
- Corruption Mode not available in demo
Now gimme a new trailer, Ninty...Now, now, now! ;_;
Post by: IceCold on June 23, 2007, 07:59:10 PM
QuoteHow can they not?
Play feels motion controls work better than dual joystick
Post by: SixthAngel on June 23, 2007, 09:38:01 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 23, 2007, 10:55:46 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 23, 2007, 11:17:31 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
It is kind of strange to be getting more info on Brawl when mp3 is right around the corner. Are the companies still withholding big info for e3 despite the big changes?
Well this is what Nintendo loves to do, they wait until E3 before revealing all the big info. Nintendo just loves to make a huge bang at E3 by keeping everything secret for so long and then just letting it all out in a huge explosion of Nintendo goodness. Even with the info we're getting right now for Brawl will pale in comparison to what we'll see at E3 when people will be allowed to play it and we'll finally see video's of the staring lineup, more stages, a lot of new items, and seeing how the new characters will play.
Damn if only I could find a way to be at E3. Being able to play Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros Brawl is just so tempting, I'd do anything to get the chance.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 23, 2007, 11:40:37 PM
Not.
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 24, 2007, 04:38:21 AM
QuoteI don't get that, the MP have always had absurd levels of polish :/
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Nintendo wanted “Twilight Princess” levels of polish.
besides, I wouldn't call a game with simplistic dungeon design polished...
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 24, 2007, 04:59:39 AM
If there's one thing that MP2 lacked, it was difficulty balance...
Post by: cubist on June 24, 2007, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on June 24, 2007, 09:44:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Oh yeah, just like E3 2003. That was quite a hopeful, exciting year.
Not.
Nintendo didn't attend E3 in 2003. That was just a group of insane Pac-Man fans disguised as Nintendo officials trying to put on a show.
Post by: mantidor on June 24, 2007, 10:40:52 AM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteHow can they not?
Play feels motion controls work better than dual joystick
Indeed, I'm going to go optimistic and say they are going to be better than keyboard/mouse controls, which is the only comparison that really matters.
MP1 and MP2 had as much if not more polish than TP, whether in overall gameplay, dungeon/area design, textures, whatever, just name it, that was NOT a good comparison either.
So I heard theres this suit upgrade in the magazine but I don't want to look
I want to see the other pictures but not that one.Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 10:52:19 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 24, 2007, 11:00:42 AM
(The screens in Play Magazine look FANTASTIC, by the way...
)
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 11:04:05 AM
Post by: mantidor on June 24, 2007, 11:42:46 AM
Nintendo: "Do it like TP!"
Retro " err, we are already pretty much there..."
So I gave in only to get this hideous thing, is this really the first line of the damn article!?
"The opening scene of Metroid Prime 3 is about the Halo-est thing ever."
I want to cry T_T, I hope is just the writer being an idiot.
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 12:05:55 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on June 24, 2007, 12:45:28 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 12:54:58 PM
If you want to fight a war against Andross' armies, you hire Fox McCloud.
If you want to eliminate a specific threat (Metroid Prime, or Mother Brain), you hire Samus Aran.
Post by: mantidor on June 24, 2007, 01:22:28 PM
Which brings the issue of the planets, at first I was really excited, but now I realize planets is a synonym of levels, which is something I don't like at all, for Metroid anyway. Retro did said they are all connected and the metroid formula is still there, but I'm wondering how to execute it well with planets? every planet must have more than just one area at least then, I hope this is the case.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 24, 2007, 02:02:09 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
no, no, no, you got it wrong, as much as I have my issues with TP the game oozes polish everywhere, no doubt about it, but the comparison makes little sense because the Prime games also have excessive amounts of polish, it does piss me off that Nintendo is having this attitude with Retro, like if they didn't know how to make excesive details in their games.
Ugh, just where are the other Prime games' polish mentioned? They aren't...Ninty just wanted Prime 3 to be polished to perfection (in much the same ways the other two games were polished) before it is released...
Post by: Smoke39 on June 24, 2007, 02:48:46 PM
If that's the case, then I think you might be reading into it a little too much, mant.
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 03:01:12 PM
...so what are we arguing about? Something that doesn't exist?
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 24, 2007, 03:03:37 PM
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"Retro president Michael Kelvaugh says they mostly spent it on 'a lot of balance, a lot of polish, and a lot of feedback.'"
Right from the article...
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 03:15:49 PM
Well, that's Retro's words. Nintendo just wanted them to make it better, and that's how he interpreted it. So Manty, if you want to get angry, get angry at Michael Kelvaugh!
Post by: Athrun Zala on June 24, 2007, 03:16:44 PM
Quotethat was what I tried to say...
Originally posted by: Smoke39
I think mant's point is if Nintendo acknowledged the polish of MP1 and 2, then why wouldn't they say they wanted to get MP3 on par with Retro's previous games, instead of mentioning a completely unrelated game?
... plus a jab at TP for FUN AND PROFIT.
Besides, that game sucked anyways look Bill! more random TP trolling! XD
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 03:19:40 PM
Post by: IceCold on June 24, 2007, 04:28:26 PM
QuoteHa. ha. ha.
Play says it could be the biggest revolution in FPS gaming since Halo.
That gave me a laugh.
Double EDIT: I guess I shouldn't ask.. I'll just search.
Post by: Kairon on June 24, 2007, 04:37:15 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
EDIT: Also, where are these supposed screens (don't want to wade through neoGAF or search for them)?
On the internet (read: plz don't ban me!).
Post by: IceCold on June 24, 2007, 04:44:53 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 24, 2007, 04:58:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Bounty Hunters ARE mercenaries essentially... just uber-specialized ones, and usually more related to policing than warfare.
If you want to fight a war against Andross' armies, you hire Fox McCloud.
If you want to eliminate a specific threat (Metroid Prime, or Mother Brain), you hire Samus Aran.
If you want ABSOLUTE DESTRUCTION, you hire CAPTAIN FALCON.
WHERE THE HELL IS MY FALCON-PAUNCHING MUSCLE-FLEXING WII GAME OF CRITICAL BADASSNESS?
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 24, 2007, 05:07:49 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteHa. ha. ha.
Play says it could be the biggest revolution in FPS gaming since Halo.
That gave me a laugh.
Yeah, the actual article is comparing controls...
Post by: ShyGuy on June 24, 2007, 05:32:40 PM
Post by: Caliban on June 25, 2007, 01:50:41 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 25, 2007, 02:23:18 AM
I am already set to say this will be the best Prime game to date, and it may be the best single player FPS created this year.
Post by: Terranigma Freak on June 25, 2007, 03:19:45 AM
Post by: tiamat1990 on June 25, 2007, 09:39:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Go to Borders Books, that is where I found Play Maginzine, and the art is truly amazing.
I am already set to say this will be the best Prime game to date, and it may be the best single player FPS created this year.
That's a pretty massive call. There's a lot of good FPS coming out this year. Medal of Honor Airborne, Call of Duty 4 etc (Halo 3...)
Post by: mantidor on June 26, 2007, 04:30:44 AM
Post by: Kairon on June 26, 2007, 08:47:06 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Is it possible for Samus to completly lower her cannon if the remote is not pointing at the screen? it would be a nice detail. I know the remote isn't quite a lightgun but I'm not sure if something like that could be acomplished.
That'd be a nice detail in ANY game with a gun. They'd probably use the wiimote's accelerometers to detect how it's being tilted, ala the drinking game in Wario ware.
Post by: Bill Aurion on June 26, 2007, 09:05:09 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
Is it possible for Samus to completly lower her cannon if the remote is not pointing at the screen? it would be a nice detail. I know the remote isn't quite a lightgun but I'm not sure if something like that could be acomplished.
If you lowered the Wiimote, Samus would be most likely be staring at her feet...=)
Post by: mantidor on June 26, 2007, 01:18:58 PM
Thats another thing, it would be another nice detail to see more than just the arms, but the legs as well, I remember a poster here (I forgot his name) who suggested this, is not necessary to see it all the time, one of the details of the prime games is that Samus has limited movement, and with the way the armor is it made a lot of sense, it becomes difficult to aim completely up or completly down because of the suit, so the legs would be seen only after landing from a dramatic jump or something like that.
Post by: that Baby guy on June 26, 2007, 01:29:48 PM
Or not...
Post by: King of Twitch on June 26, 2007, 02:04:48 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on June 26, 2007, 02:19:48 PM
Post by: that Baby guy on June 26, 2007, 02:49:10 PM
I still have to wonder about the multi-player. What was revolutionary about Halo? To me, I always thought it was supposed to be a grandiose multi-player experience. If I'm wrong, someone please fill me in.
Post by: Kairon on June 26, 2007, 02:58:30 PM
That said...
Halo did have a very fun, "with your buddies" lan-party multiplayer vibe going. But more than that, it hit all the right notes on world design (the Halo world concept is captivating), on atmosphere (the levels were too big and long and boring, but they did feel open and exciting) ...
And even character design. Yes, you heard me.
There's a reason all space marines are bald: it's because no one has yet seen how the Master Chief does his hair.
Post by: blackfootsteps on June 26, 2007, 03:02:08 PM
Post by: Kairon on June 26, 2007, 03:13:12 PM
Post by: Caliban on June 26, 2007, 04:32:29 PM
Post by: Magik on June 30, 2007, 11:57:22 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
Actually, on a game-related note, I've been thinking about some of the newer MP3 information. I now think that they chose to release the game this much later in order to have a release date closer to, but before Halo 3, along with the "upping the quality" thing. If MP3 is equally amazing to Halo 3, but is released a few months earlier, it would be possible to steal a whole lot of Halo 3 thunder. That's only if the game as at least just as good, though. Perhaps this was Nintendo's original idea?
I still have to wonder about the multi-player. What was revolutionary about Halo? To me, I always thought it was supposed to be a grandiose multi-player experience. If I'm wrong, someone please fill me in.
MP3 is not going to steal ANY thunder from Halo 3, no matter how good it is. Halo 2 was outshined by a lot of other games in terms of quality but still went on to outsell those games by huge amounts.
Nintendo is releasing MP3 before Halo 3 and all the other big fall titles because they want to avoid the problems they had with the release of MP2. To refresh everybody's memories, Nintendo foolishly, stupidly, released MP2 between Halo 2, Half-Life 2 and GTA ultimately limiting the game to ONLY Nintendo fans and that showed by the piss poor sales.
What was revolutionary about Halo was it was the first CONSOLE FPS to actually get a right balance in controls, gameplay, actual narrative with a strong plot, and strong multiplayer experience. There was no other FPS at the time, and even now, that comes close to what Halo did.
Post by: mantidor on July 01, 2007, 05:09:38 AM
From Halo the only new thing I've seen is vehicles, which really isn't new, and the odd armor system, where they can get you down in one shot. With that in mind I don't see how playing Halo would be different than my experience playing HalfLife, its another damn doom clone, again you shoot everything and go to the next room, I have seen no evidence of the opposite.
Post by: Ceric on July 01, 2007, 07:01:01 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 01, 2007, 07:59:10 AM
Post by: Caliban on July 02, 2007, 03:22:15 AM
Today I read the LoZ-PH press release and it is confirmed that MP3 was delayed a week.
Damn you Nintendo, why? I want to have time to play this game without any interruptions (school), Reggie needs to be smack back into his senses.
Post by: mantidor on July 02, 2007, 04:45:44 AM
Post by: Caliban on July 02, 2007, 06:15:18 AM
Post by: Ceric on July 02, 2007, 06:43:06 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on July 02, 2007, 02:36:20 PM
Whatever. It's a week extra and that kind of sucks, but I'll live. I guess.
Post by: Kairon on July 02, 2007, 02:42:55 PM
Post by: Caliban on July 02, 2007, 03:10:14 PM
By the wy, have you guys seen the new screens on ign? This game is looking sweet, and Samus is looking gorgeous as ever.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 02, 2007, 05:09:58 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 02, 2007, 05:24:07 PM
Post by: Caliban on July 02, 2007, 05:28:03 PM
GamePro - confirms that there is no online modes...cool! Exactly like I wanted.
PlayOnline
Post by: Mashiro on July 02, 2007, 06:04:08 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 02, 2007, 06:06:02 PM
This latest batch of screenshots look much better.
Post by: Mashiro on July 02, 2007, 06:26:32 PM
Love the fact that they are hyping up the musical score, not too happy about the voice acting though but oh well. Great to hear them like the idea of Metroid Prime 1 and 2 being redone with GC controls. Sad to hear them say they are taking a break from the series for a while though.
Post by: Smoke39 on July 02, 2007, 07:09:35 PM
Post by: IceCold on July 02, 2007, 07:31:10 PM
QuoteYou could see her eyes in Metroid Prime 1! The first time I charged up and shot a beam into some water, I was blown away when I saw the reflection. Plus when you looked up when it was raining to see randrops falling on your visor. It was that level of detail that made the game so incredible.. Damn, now I feel like playing it again (
This game is so polished Samus can see here reflection in it
Phendrana Drifts)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 02, 2007, 07:34:30 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 02, 2007, 07:49:06 PM
Mayhaps they can return the Star Fox series to greatness or something.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 02, 2007, 08:37:15 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 03, 2007, 01:46:16 AM
1)Design a new Star Fox game
2)Design a new Icarus game
3)Give them the go ahead to design a brand new IP and let the creative team go crazy with something.
Post by: Ceric on July 03, 2007, 02:13:42 AM
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I have to ask a question. Is Ridley a dumb animal or is he a sentient being?
Wouldn't you have to cosider the version because isn't he remade each game?
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 03, 2007, 02:28:33 AM
But, it leaves me wondering what Nintendo will do for its "Halo" game. No I am not saying Nintendo needs Halo, but it does need an exclusive game to represent how exciting and fun Nintendo Wii games can be online and become part of a community.
Some will probably say Brawl, Strikers, and potentially even Battalion Wars Wii will be those games. But, I just don't see these games capturing the competitive core gamer like a traditional FPS would. Then again, anything Nintendo creates needs to also be able to potentially bring on board the nongamer into the world of online gaming.
Perhaps Retro would be allowed next to create such a game. They have a very talented team of artists and programmers for FPS. And the project would probably be quite different than a Metroid game. Personally, I see this game being lighthearted in nature and whimsical yet with a depth of control and game balance.
I guess we will see what the future brings.
Post by: mantidor on July 03, 2007, 03:59:37 AM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteYou could see her eyes in Metroid Prime 1! The first time I charged up and shot a beam into some water, I was blown away when I saw the reflection. Plus when you looked up when it was raining to see randrops falling on your visor. It was that level of detail that made the game so incredible.. Damn, now I feel like playing it again (
This game is so polished Samus can see here reflection in it
The best way to see samus' eyes is in the chozo fights, either the one in the room with the x-ray visor or the one artifact that rest where Flaghra was. The room goes dark in both of these places, so the lighting of the Chozo attack with the contrast of the obscure background makes the whole face easy to see, and the effect is realistic, you wouldn't see your reflection if it wasn't for this situation.
I cannot say I don't like those new eyes, I can't wait to see her new face, anything would be an inprovement over that awful echoes model :P, but... I don't know, they are too "neat" and"sexy" for what is supposed to be a baddass bounty hunter.
Is the same with the new armor, is really feminine, accentuating the right curves at the right places, I knew it would happen but I still was hoping they would leave her as neutral-gendered as possible. The best was Super Metroid to be honest (is there anything SuperMetroid didn't do right?), even when you see her without armor, she has buffed legs and a six-pack, which might not be the sexiest thing ever, but it makes much more sense that this super model look they are giving us since fusion, but I'll survive
. They also said "Well, we've always held Samus close to the heart, but that reflection is probably the most extensive view of Samus without her suit on that you're going to see in a Prime situation." which really makes me happy, I could never forget that old poll when Nintendo asked things about what fans wanted in Metroid, like suitless missions, and how everyone wanted them, its good to see they listen to fans but only to a certain extent.What I really don't like, is that even with the new screenshots there is still an enphasis in marines and soldiers and robots and too little bugs and creatures and lonely areas, but I'm going to pretend they are keeping all those still a secret.
EDIT:
I just finished reading the interviews, why is everyone now into that damn lame port bandwagon!!? ARGH, at least this time, Retro already has done MP3, so I don't mind people getting milked with ports of MP1 and 2 with tacked-in controls as long as Retro gets richer and start making whatever new thing they want.
Post by: Ceric on July 03, 2007, 05:13:25 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 03, 2007, 05:47:34 AM
What does it mean to her now that she has fused with her suit. Can she ever get it off? Is she now more of a biomechanical being like many of the monsters she has fought.
So many questions and so many possibilities to develop the character. I would reall be disappointed if Nintendo never did anything with that story...specially since they also added a new deadly organism to the Metroid world.
Post by: Kairon on July 03, 2007, 06:54:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
But, it leaves me wondering what Nintendo will do for its "Halo" game. No I am not saying Nintendo needs Halo, but it does need an exclusive game to represent how exciting and fun Nintendo Wii games can be online and become part of a community.
Wii Sports 2?
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 03, 2007, 07:27:59 AM
I am surprised that Wii Sports 2 isn't already announced and planned for a December or January release.
Yeah, I know there are tons of great games already for that release schedule, but Wii Sports 2 with online play would really just cement the Wii as the leader this generation.
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2007, 07:46:34 AM
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What does it mean to her now that she has fused with her suit. Can she ever get it off? Is she now more of a biomechanical being like many of the monsters she has fought.
I always thought, based on the 100% completeion ending pictures, that she could take off her suit.
Anyway, I wasn't a fan of the Fusion suit though it wasn't a terrible design. I'd prefer if they gave Samus something new in the Fusion sequel.
Also, on a totally unrelated note, I wish the Prime games existed in an alternate universe. Nintendo and Retro's attempt to reconcile the storyline of the main series and the Prime games is utter failure.
Post by: Requiem on July 03, 2007, 08:12:04 AM
Wait till E3. Amongst the *ahem* "hardcore" games at this year's E3, there will almost assuredly be a good offering of "non-gamer" games. With the tremendous success of the DS, Nintendo has learned balance is important in this day and age and if they want to sell more systems they need to bring in as many people as possible.
Plus, don't forget about Mario and Sonic OLYMPICS!
Post by: Mashiro on July 03, 2007, 08:37:54 AM
http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/gba/b/mf_2.htm
and I agree with adrock, I don't like the the new Fusion suit. It wasn't bad but . . . I have such an attachment to the old suit I was sad to see it go as lame as that seems. I loved the lore behind Samus getting the suit more-so than the fusion plot but oh well.
It would be interesting to see them carry on the story plot after Fusion.
Post by: mantidor on July 03, 2007, 09:03:35 AM
Post by: Mashiro on July 03, 2007, 09:09:04 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
The fusion suit is still the old suit without its metal cover layer, which was the one the federation removed from Samus to save her life. So my guess is that in the case of a Metroid V Samus will complete her suit, but with the upgrades of the omega suit.
That would be pretty cool.
Post by: TrueNerd on July 11, 2007, 09:11:15 PM
Except... oh no.
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Corruption really does feel like Halo in a lot of ways -- not just the intro section, but even Skytown. Not in the good way, but rather in the "linear stage designs and frequent repetition of level elements" way. Did you hate Halo's Library? Well, pilgrim, you may have to grit your teeth a little when you play through Skytown.
That was the sound of me getting punched in the gut. I hope that's not at all indicative of how the rest of the game will be.
Linearity? Repetition? Comparable to the Library? /NAUSEA
I don't care how great this game controls if the level structure blows or is no longer Metroid-ish.
Post by: Mashiro on July 11, 2007, 09:25:41 PM
............ ugh why did 1up have to compare it to Halo, in a bad way.
Post by: Kairon on July 11, 2007, 09:28:06 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 11, 2007, 09:37:05 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 12, 2007, 12:15:10 AM
The first paragraph alone gives you an idea of just how great the game will be from a visual stand point and then it goes on to say how amazing the controls are.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/803/803978p1.html
Good read.
Post by: Plugabugz on July 12, 2007, 01:04:08 AM
http://ms.nintendo-europe.com/e32007/enGB/pr_releaselist.html
Post by: Ceric on July 12, 2007, 02:07:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
After reading IGNs write up on it . . . well just read it the game sounds freaking amazing and will probably be the best in the Prime series.
The first paragraph alone gives you an idea of just how great the game will be from a visual stand point and then it goes on to say how amazing the controls are.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/803/803978p1.html
Good read.
I be cautious about that one too. Its jumping to the other extreme. Everyone nows Matt is a Metriod Zealot. I'm sure if his wife let him his daughter be either Samus or Aran. If they made a toaster that charred Samus's likeness on toast he probably buy it.
Post by: blackfootsteps on July 12, 2007, 02:39:32 AM
Post by: Requiem on July 12, 2007, 03:26:41 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on July 12, 2007, 04:25:02 AM
I'm not really worried about this game, I only hear good things about the pointer control and I have no doubt that the team can make a good game otherwise. I've heard there are a few awkward button choices for reading text and switching visors, but I can live with that.
Post by: bustin98 on July 12, 2007, 04:55:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
I don't know what crawled up 1up and EGM's ass, but this video makes this Metriod look like it might be the best of the series (SERIES).
That was awesome how they now have Samus eyes follow where you are pointing when they show up in the reflection.
That Skytown level looks like alot of fun. It can't come soon enough.
Post by: Requiem on July 12, 2007, 06:33:37 AM
Supposedly, apart from opening doors and ripping away enemy shields, their will be a lot of "Wii-hand" interaction.
Post by: EasyCure on July 12, 2007, 08:31:12 AM
/immature
Post by: TrueNerd on July 12, 2007, 10:42:34 AM
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Originally posted by: CericQuote
Originally posted by: Mashiro
After reading IGNs write up on it . . . well just read it the game sounds freaking amazing and will probably be the best in the Prime series.
The first paragraph alone gives you an idea of just how great the game will be from a visual stand point and then it goes on to say how amazing the controls are.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/803/803978p1.html
Good read.
I be cautious about that one too. Its jumping to the other extreme. Everyone nows Matt is a Metriod Zealot. I'm sure if his wife let him his daughter be either Samus or Aran. If they made a toaster that charred Samus's likeness on toast he probably buy it.
I agree especially since Cassamassina didn't even discuss the structure of the game, but Jeremy Parish, the guy who wrote 1Up's preview, said on a Retronauts episode that Metroid was at one time his favorite franchise as well. I think it's safe to say he too is a fan. I dunno. I hope and pray he's wrong or hasn't seen enough.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2007, 10:56:31 AM
Post by: Kairon on July 12, 2007, 11:06:22 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on July 12, 2007, 07:06:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Again, think about it...It's a DEMO...The point of it is not to show off the level design, but to show off the game mechanics...If you were to give impressions of the first half hour of Prime, you'd probably think it was linear, too...
Yes. Of course it is. Rationality says the content that preview is based on is a very small slice of what will hopefully be an epic game. Parish, in truth, doesn't really know what he's talking about.
However, when it comes to me and Metroid, rationality rarely enters into the equation. I unfairly expect perfection from this franchise at all times because most Metroid games are in fact perfect. I want more of that. Anyone comparing any part of a Metroid game with Halo does not sit well with me at all. It may be needless worrying, and I hope it is, but I only do it out of love.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 12, 2007, 07:39:24 PM
(I made a pun and didn't even realize it when I typed it, whoops...)
Post by: Kairon on July 12, 2007, 07:44:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Fair enough, but don't let it corrupt your love so much that you dampen your enjoyment of the game when you actually play it! =)
That's when you become me...
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
(I made a pun and didn't even realize it when I typed it, whoops...)
Suuuuuuuuuuurrrrrreee...
Post by: mantidor on July 13, 2007, 05:16:55 PM
For instance, pretend you just got out of a tight corridor and there are three turrents, what if they put the two on the sides precisely in the extra area? players in widescreen will see them and be able to shot them while players in normal SDTV will feel being attacked from nowhere. Its something that won't break the game of course, but it does alter the gameplay experience.
Also, I'm afraid Samus model without the suit is going to be even more cartoonish and ridicule than the one in echoes
why did Nintendo had to ruin her so horribly? specially after retro got it perfectly in prime 1.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 13, 2007, 05:25:55 PM
Post by: mantidor on July 13, 2007, 05:37:12 PM
brawl with a supermetroid suitless samus, or even Fusion, or anything would be a hundred times better
Post by: Adrock on July 13, 2007, 05:46:33 PM
I agree with Mantidor. Samus looked better without her suit in Metroid 3 and 4. I don't know why Intelligent Designs changed it. What's with the helmet hair.....
Post by: Mashiro on July 13, 2007, 05:58:49 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 13, 2007, 06:00:44 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on July 13, 2007, 06:12:32 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
but this game isn't brawl :P that opening video with samus on her ship is amazing but the little shots of her without the suit look incredibly out of place.
Yeah, she looks completely out of place in the context of Prime's not-cartoony graphics.
As for your widescreen complaint, you are the biggest freaking worry wart I've ever known. "Wah! I have to turn ten degrees to see the enemy! Wah!" Sheesh, what a baby!
Post by: mantidor on July 13, 2007, 06:20:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
You know what I hate about Samus? Her sprite designs in Metroid Fusion and Zero. Shouda kept the Super Metroid sprites =P
fusion sprites were bad, I don't know if this was because it was made for the GBA that didn't have backlighting so they could be a little less "stylish" so to speak, but Zero Mission sprites are absolutely perfect, you sir are wrong.
Also, its not like the new model for samus can´t be done right in a 3D non-animeish style, I thought hunters version was very good.
But, yeah corruption... is looking so awesome (I really needed to see better quality videos), as long as theres is as much variety as usual in metroid games this should be perfect.
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Originally posted by: mantidor
but this game isn't brawl :P that opening video with samus on her ship is amazing but the little shots of her without the suit look incredibly out of place.
Yeah, she looks completely out of place in the context of Prime's not-cartoony graphics.
As for your widescreen complaint, you are the biggest freaking worry wart I've ever known. "Wah! I have to turn ten degrees to see the enemy! Wah!" Sheesh, what a baby!
As I said it won't break the game :P but my example is something tiny, you really can't prove me wrong as I can't prove my point since there isn't even a single screenshot in normal resolution of the game, or any other game for that matter, in Nintendo's world apparently those TV don't exist, except when you are explaining why the console doesn't have HD.
Post by: Mashiro on July 13, 2007, 06:29:30 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 14, 2007, 09:26:19 PM
I HATE YOU NINTENDO.
Post by: Mashiro on July 14, 2007, 09:28:38 PM
(sorry I couldn't resist)
Post by: Smoke39 on July 14, 2007, 10:29:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I HATE YOU NINTENDO.
But Retro made it...
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 14, 2007, 10:42:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
I've heard that Samus talks in the game, and I saw a video where you see her out of her suit. Her model is horrible, and she wears eye-shadow.
I HATE YOU NINTENDO.
There's a rumour that there's a section in the game where you'll actually be playing as Zero Suit Samus, too...Kairon owned so bad...
Post by: Smoke39 on July 14, 2007, 10:45:00 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 15, 2007, 05:07:56 AM
CLEARLY THIS HAS NO PRECEDENT, RETRO!!
Post by: mantidor on July 15, 2007, 05:37:16 AM
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Yer, in third person, even, for no apparent reason.
If that ever happens I think the reason would be very apparent...
Punk Samus with green hair and pink leotard (very 80s) is also better than Zero Suit, anything is better than Zero suit.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 06:20:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Yer, in third person, even, for no apparent reason.
If that ever happens I think the reason would be very apparent...
Yes, that was the joke... =)
And this needs to be posted just because...
Post by: TrueNerd on July 15, 2007, 05:19:14 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 05:22:32 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 05:25:39 PM
=P
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 05:27:12 PM
Post by: Mashiro on July 15, 2007, 05:30:54 PM
Oh, I just watched the first minute of this video for MP3 and it's of Samus fighting a boss (I didn't want the whole thing spoiled so I cut it off right when the fight began) but the whole game just looks so freaking awesome.
I've never been so anxious for the summer to end! (or to at least get to the end of August).
Post by: IceCold on July 15, 2007, 05:51:35 PM
You know how they have the great lock-on plus free-aim system, right? It allows you to strafe around an object while still controlling your pointer. But the problem is that you still have to concentrate on aiming while dodging and moving - in the other Prime games once you were locked on the shots could only go to that target, so you didn't need to worry about it.
So anyway, imagine how amazing the digital click GameCube shoulder buttons would be for this system. To just lock on while allowing free-aim, you would slightly push the triggers, but if you wanted the regular lock-on you would push harder and activate the digital click.
Thinking about it, I'm surprised Retro didn't use it for the Cube Prime games.. I guess you didn't really need free aim once you were locked on, but it would be incredible if you needed to quickly switch targets like you sometimes needed to.
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 15, 2007, 05:54:57 PM
Post by: Requiem on July 15, 2007, 06:05:05 PM
Post by: IceCold on July 15, 2007, 06:05:50 PM
But still, the Z button on the nunchuck should be digital click!
Post by: Requiem on July 15, 2007, 06:15:43 PM
Post by: IceCold on July 15, 2007, 06:20:55 PM
And no, I don't play too many actual FPS games..
Post by: TrueNerd on July 16, 2007, 07:49:31 AM
QuoteI always thought the D-Pad could have handled the beams and the visors and the Z trigger would have acted like a "Shift" button to switch between the two to cycle through. Just throw the map in the pause menu. A little more confusing, sure, but it would work... if the Prime games were the type of game that needed free look. They're not though. So this post is kind of a waste of space.
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
How would you have "free-aimed" with the Gamecube controller? You couldn't use the C-stick because that's how you changed beams!
Post by: EasyCure on July 17, 2007, 04:53:56 AM
I love how wii controls make my aim more precise over using an analog stick
doing little things like that feel so rewarding because i'd never of been able to do that playing either game on the cube. I really hope there is something similar present in MP3:C. There's no doubt in my mind that Retro nailed the controls but a small detail like that would really make me feel like a marksman. Of course the only things you get shot at with are lasers and plasma beams but maybe there's a big rock monster somewhere that sends debris flying your way that lets you shoot down even the smallest stone...
/random thought
Post by: Mashiro on July 17, 2007, 04:57:18 AM
I am sure Prime 3 will have those small details and we will be basting things that come our way making it all the more awesome.
Post by: EasyCure on July 17, 2007, 05:16:10 AM
Post by: Requiem on July 17, 2007, 07:43:59 AM
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I don't know who posted this....but these ideas are pretty badass
Seriously though, do you think Retro is thinking as revolutionary as we are?Quote
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What if:
Samus was fighting this giant boss, whose attack was to suck things in (including samus). As the beast prepares the attack, Samus would have to first grapple beam herself to a hook. Then as she's literally hanging horizontal to the ground, you have to manuever your cannon in the general direction of the beast and charge and fire a super missle. Meanwhile, your view is going hay-wire as you shake with turbulence.
I think that would be a pretty cool boss.
Or What if:
Samus grapples to an object and the only way to blow up said object is to aim at your grapple beam and shoot a charged Wave beam at it. The beam then clings to your grapple and follows it like a trail of lit gun powder.
Or What if:
There is a boss that travels furiously fast, is enourmously huge, and is the first water boss in Metriod history (i think). Samus must grapple to it's back and as she hangs on for dear life, water ski as she tries to kill the damn thing! Knowing Retro, it would be crazy! Water would spray in your face, obstructing your view.
Or What if:
Samus obtains the ability to use bombs outside of her ball state. She grabs a bomb with her left hand and with the nunchuck, chucks it where ever she likes. There are two settings for the bomb: Gravity and Anti-Gravity. Gravity acts like a normal grenade, while Anti-gravity floats upwards very slowly. While Gravity bombs blow up on impact, Anti-gravity bombs must be shot. Anti-Gravity bombs also cause a much bigger explosion.
Or What if:
One of Samus's grapple beam upgrades turns it into a laserbeam type sword. Not neccessarily to attack with since that is not Metriod at all, but more to cut through vegitation, carve through blast-proof windows, and things of that nature (another way to advance exploration basically).
Or What if:
One of Samus's grapple beam upgrades allows for more than one grapple. This would be used to pull multiple triggers (similar to how Zelda's boomerang can lock on to multiple items, and used in basically the same fashion; i.e. puzzle-solving, boss-battle, taming a gaint beast to fly or swim). OOOOOOOOH!!!! That would be amazing! Imagine taming a giant manitee to explore an ocean. You can still shoot with the Wiimote. The nunchuck, however, would steer the beast (or it could steer itself, probably better). Or what if you tamed a giant pterodactyl to fly and access a new area, only to be shot at by Flying Space Pirates. That sounds like a sh!tload of fun, especially if the beast reacted to the shooting and swooped and tried to dodge.
Alright, that's enough for one day. You guys get the jist of it anyways...
Post by: TrueNerd on July 17, 2007, 08:57:26 AM
Kudos X 3
Post by: Requiem on July 17, 2007, 09:27:54 AM
I just want them to be true!
Post by: vudu on July 17, 2007, 09:34:31 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 17, 2007, 03:27:50 PM
Post by: mantidor on July 17, 2007, 04:18:28 PM
Its perfect for bosses with little minions going around, but at the same time I can't see it working with something like the chykka battle in echoes. I guess it could really be put to good use if you have to attack weak spots in the bosses that aren't always in the place of the lock on.
Post by: TrueNerd on July 17, 2007, 06:06:19 PM
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Yea, I really need to stop reposting them
I just want them to be true!
Retro came up with some pretty crazy sh*t in Echoes in terms of boss battles. I don't think it's a leap in logic to think that they'll go even crazier for Corruption, perhaps even implement things similar to your ideas. I hope so, anyways.
Post by: EasyCure on July 18, 2007, 09:52:00 AM
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Neighbor of the Beast.
I thought that would be 667
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 18, 2007, 02:46:06 PM
Post by: Requiem on July 18, 2007, 02:53:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Requiem
Yea, I really need to stop reposting them
I just want them to be true!
Retro came up with some pretty crazy sh*t in Echoes in terms of boss battles. I don't think it's a leap in logic to think that they'll go even crazier for Corruption, perhaps even implement things similar to your ideas. I hope so, anyways.
True. The only boss battle I saw was crazier than anything I came up with. Of course I'm talking about the Ridley battle.
Post by: EasyCure on July 19, 2007, 10:23:40 AM
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I was post #667
ah
i dont notice post counts
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Post by: jakeOSX on August 01, 2007, 06:09:12 AM
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Neighbor of the Beast.
I thought that would be 667
actually it would be 668, 667 is across the street.
-j, who knows that because of gary larson
Post by: EasyCure on August 01, 2007, 06:46:17 AM
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Post by: Mashiro on August 01, 2007, 05:35:19 PM
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I don't get this free-aim lock on thing...the explanations don't make any sense. You lock-on...but you can still move the camera. How is that locking on??
With the free-aim lock on option on what occurs is you still can "lock on" to enemies so Samus' motion will still be based on the locked on enemy.
The difference is that you are free to shift the aim of your arm cannon to any other object on the screen while you are locked on, so you don't HAVE to hit the enemy you are locked on to.
At least that is how I understand it works.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 01, 2007, 11:06:51 PM
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Post by: Smoke39 on August 01, 2007, 11:45:47 PM
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are you saying the free-aim lock on is like freezing the camera?
In the sense that you lose manual control over it, yes. I wouldn't call it "freezing," though, because if the enemy moves the camera will still move with it.
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When you "lock-on" you can't move the camera so you're bound in that box whilst having the target in the center?
Yes.
Post by: Kairon on August 01, 2007, 11:48:09 PM
Post by: tiamat1990 on August 01, 2007, 11:57:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMvdsqTRI-I
Skip to about a 0:45 and you can see it in action. Should be REALLY helpful.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 02, 2007, 12:11:16 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 02, 2007, 07:22:09 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 04, 2007, 10:04:16 PM
*hatehatehate*
However, I do love the Smash Bros. Brawl Samus.
She looks real cross and has a distinctive attitude and an "I'm not just another videogame blonde" look to her.
Post by: EasyCure on August 05, 2007, 06:07:59 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 05, 2007, 06:58:31 AM
Way to break the interweb carry-on!
Edit: ok finally worked (that was a pretty cool intro actually).
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Doesn't Samus just look HORRIBLY under-modeled in this video... and not to mention, uglified in terms of art ion a level of what Perfect Dark 0 did to the lovely Joanna Dark??? I mean.. am I the only one seeing that they made Samus wear green eyeshadow?!?!?!
She looks a tad on the simplistic side, but for the split second we see her body out of the suit I wouldn't say it's a huge deal.
Also I believe you're mistaken about the green eye shadow.
Go back and watch the scene with the face closely. It seems to me that the green is actually light reflecting on her face from the aura around her. When the camera pans back and shows the back of her seat there is a distinctive green glow over it.
The subtle light changes on her face show the green "eyeshadow" shifting and if you look towards the bridge of her nose you will see the skin is a different hue as well.
So I think it's just reflected lighting.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 05, 2007, 12:10:14 PM
Post by: Stogi on August 05, 2007, 12:51:26 PM
I'm not attracted to most blondes (they'd have to be gorgeous), but you don't here me bitching about Samus not being a brunette.
Anyway, that little snippet of gameplay once again enticed my urge to play this game. It looks so fluid, so solid in every respect. Amazingly, I was immersed in the game and I wasn't even playing!
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 12:58:44 PM
No, what I AM internet-fanboi-irrationally-complaining about is her character design, which I find strikingly unappealing, unspirited, and not necessarily "blonde," but bland.
Post by: Stogi on August 05, 2007, 01:10:02 PM
Where did this movie discussion come from?
I can see how you think she looks "bland", but why put so much effort into something that is only seen for 2 seconds? SSBB is different because she is a selectable character, and thus, put more work into making her look really good.
Also, I don't know if you noticed, but they obviously focused on her eye area (long eyelashes and the like). That part of her will be seen whenever you scan something and while performing other miscellaneous activities. I didn't think that part of her face looked bland at all; maybe supermodel-y, but not bland.
Plus, this is still such a nintendo-fanboi-perfectionist thing to argue about.
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 01:12:44 PM
But seriously... those 2 seconds just... killed a lot of my hype for the game. *shrug* And supermodel-y = bland. That's why I posted the image from SSBB. She looks cross and annoyed and NOT beautiful in some pre-defined packaged sort of way. Her other in-game SSBB models and looks though... *bleh*
Post by: Stogi on August 05, 2007, 01:22:07 PM
Seriously, Kairon, your being totally unfair. It sounds like your bitching just to bitch. There's really no sustenance in your argument that would leave me to believe otherwise.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 05, 2007, 01:23:15 PM
There are no words...
Oh wait, yes there are...They are all banned here, though... =|
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 01:35:44 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 05, 2007, 01:43:56 PM
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Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 01:48:24 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on August 05, 2007, 01:51:18 PM
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Shouldn't they restrict the animation to only the times when it was appropriate, so that Samus doesn't look like a hibernation-sickness drunken slob?"
No. If you suck at pressing buttons, that should be reflected in the game. Otherwise it won't feel like you're really in control.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 05, 2007, 01:52:36 PM
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Shouldn't they restrict the animation to only the times when it was appropriate, so that Samus doesn't look like a hibernation-sickness drunken slob?"
No. If you suck at pressing buttons, that should be reflected in the game. Otherwise it won't feel like you're really in control.
But this is coming from someone who loves Far Cry.
Post by: Stogi on August 05, 2007, 01:55:48 PM
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Well, I was never a big Metroid fan to begin with (that's why it's my younger bro who'll buy the game for his Wii, traditionally I've done ALL the game buying between us), so my hype was the fragile, frail sort of hype.
Well that's really sad to hear, especially since this game is right up your ally.
First of all, you already love Wii FPS's as proven by FarCry and the enjoyment you had with RedSteel. This is the first game that will actually get the controls right and set a new trend. Don't you want to be apart of that?
Second of all, it uses a new type of Wiimote/Nun-chuck interaction that has yet to be seen. Pulling and pushing levers, controlling your spaceship by hand, and using your grappling beam are sure to be only the tip of the ice-berg. Your all about "new" and "exciting" games; the type of games that may not be entirely gold, but have an element within them that makes it worth owning. This game has only been giving great impressions and seems to be made entirely of win. Why ignore it?
Third of all, it is Metriod. I know that's not really a reason, but let me explain. It is Metriod; one of the few games that have a interesting back-story/lore/worlds. The abilities given to Samus are entirely original (morphing into a ball is pure genius) and so are the enemies/bosses (which are quite possibly the coolest ever; play Super Metriod if you don't believe me). Also, the atmosphere of Metriod has always been amazing; RE can't touch it's sense of isolation. And finally, your a freaking bounty-hunter which is possibly the coolest profession (though I'm not talking about Dog; that dude sucks and so does his line of work). Does this not interest you?
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 02:09:25 PM
And I've played two Metroid Primes before. Don't try to tell me the game will be an all new unknown quantity, because I have a very good idea of the type of thing we'll be buying into. This isn't some brand new game, this is the third in a series of games that I never really fell in love with (though I was certainly able to sense a little of that Miyamoto magic in the first one's design). This is a shame too because Metroid Prime has a lot of point-and-click adventure puzzle solving elements to it ( a genre I lurve)... just without the 2D charm and humor. Either way, this is one of many cases where I'm using past experiences with the developer to inform my current opinions of them. (especially considering I haven't liked Retro's two earlier "real life" interpretations of Samus without her helmet/suit either.)
Don't worry, we have the first two Metroid Primes and like I said, we're getting the third. It's just that this time there's no fooling who's the real player here: it's going to my younger brother without passing through my hands first. The only difference now is that for the first time, we won't be in the same house for me to sit on the couch and simply live vicariously by watching him play through every moment... I'll have to stand on my own two feet for once when he finishes the game and hands it over to me for my "turn."
Post by: Stogi on August 05, 2007, 02:40:11 PM
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That's the thing ain't it? It's NOT an FPS. It's an FPA.
While that's true, you can't ignore the fact that it's faster in pace than it's predecessors. The new method of moving and aiming is huge. If you watch the gameplay videos, you will see Samus get ambushed by at least 6 enemies. If that's not proof of it leaning towards both genres, then I don't know what is.
Plus, I don't see that as a bad thing since "Adventure" genre is where it's at. I mean, you do play Zelda right?
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And I've played two Metroid Primes before. Don't try to tell me the game will be an all new unknown quantity, because I have a very good idea of the type of thing we'll be buying into. This isn't some brand new game, this is the third in a series of games that I never really fell in love with (though I was certainly able to sense a little of that Miyamoto magic in the first one's design).
You say this here, then discuss how Rockstar's Table Tennis is going to somehow be a lot better due to Wiimote integration. Why won't you give this game the chance you so blindly give other games? I'm not saying the Wiimote will better all games/genres, but it will better many as well as start entirely new ones. I mean, isn't that really the point?
Plus, isn't well-done Wiimote integration enough to peak interest? Isn't that enough to raises hopes about the future of Wii games? We all want to see progress, and isn't this it?
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 03:49:33 PM
I.. I made that comment about Rockstar's Tebble Tennis in strictest half-jest sir!
Post by: mantidor on August 05, 2007, 04:44:02 PM
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How long will it take Kairon to learn that analyzing YouTube video for GRAFIKS is only asking for trouble?
well I did see the HD thing at ign, and everything looked amazing except her, it felt completely out of place as I said before.
Even the Brawl model looks better, and the game overall uses a more cartoony look, this is not only cartoony but badly done, which makes the contrast against the incredibly polished enviroments even bigger, this is not what you expect from Retro!
And I would have liked the armor to not appear out of nowhere also.
I don't care anymore, Nintendo won't fix it and they will stick with this horrible model, super metroid/prime suitless samus are the official for me and thats it.
Post by: Mashiro on August 05, 2007, 04:55:13 PM
Still I look forward to this game greatly.
Post by: Stogi on August 05, 2007, 06:41:33 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 05, 2007, 07:17:54 PM
Kawaii! ^.^!
Chibi Metroid anyway?
or maybe Super Smash Bros. Chibi?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 05, 2007, 07:30:59 PM
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I don't care if she's blonde or not. Most of the actresses I want to play her aren't blonde... and I wouldn't be concerned if a movie version made her out to have a different hair color. Heck, I still hold dear in my heart the purple haired samus who was in the NP comics!!!
No, what I AM internet-fanboi-irrationally-complaining about is her character design, which I find strikingly unappealing, unspirited, and not necessarily "blonde," but bland.
Now i'll just go ahead and say you're nitpicking such a minor thing right off a cliff.
As far as face & body goes, they look *identical* to the style used in Brawl. Dark eyebrows, baby blue eyes, soft nose line, even EARS, even the seams on her suit, IT'S ALL THERE. The major difference being there's less polygons being used, and of course MP3 in-game isn't going to include all the blooming and shading afforded in the CG model. Cuz hey, MP3 is about traversing 3D environments, not a fighting game that can dedicate most of the system resources to just a handful of characters fighting on a 2D plane.
What else... you're comparing a shot of her eyes waking up, to a CG model of her boring workaholic face. None of the Brawl assets show anything as up-close as her eyes, only her workaholic face. And of course the MP3 clip cuts out before she brings her eyes back to what i expect is her blood-thirsty caffeine-addicted workaholic face.
As for her pony tail, I dig pony tails, so that's ok. But everything else you've exaggerated into bizarro world. Wake up already. It's the Brawl model, with less detail, and different hair. Oh, her boobs seem smaller than the Brawl model too, unfortunately.
Post by: Kairon on August 05, 2007, 09:08:01 PM
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comments about Samus' breast size
Oh, you don't want to go there. DON'T!!! ... even get me started.
j/k? Yeah... but not completely ^_^
Post by: wandering on August 06, 2007, 11:22:31 AM
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...this game is right up [Kairon's] ally.
No it isn't. This game looks like it's going to be good, and Kairon only likes bad games. (But, you might be thinking, that can't be, because he constantly praises Miyamoto games. That threw me off for a long while too, until he made a comment disparaging a gameplay mechanic of a certain game, not knowing that Miyamoto himself came up with it. This proved to me that Kairon is not really a Miyamoto fan, and can't really recognize Miyamoto's genius. In other words, every time he says he likes a Miyamoto game, he's lying.)
Post by: Stogi on August 06, 2007, 12:08:45 PM
Kairon, you got anything to say for yourself?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2007, 12:10:49 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 06, 2007, 12:32:07 PM
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It's the Brawl model, with less detail, and different hair. Oh, her boobs seem smaller than the Brawl model too, fortunately.
Fixed so bad...
Post by: ShyGuy on August 06, 2007, 12:42:21 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177858
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 06, 2007, 01:10:54 PM
Post by: Caliban on August 06, 2007, 01:46:16 PM
I hope this game sells at least 1 million copies...I was actually going to type in "at least 2 million copies" but I thought that would be utopian.
Post by: EasyCure on August 06, 2007, 01:48:29 PM
LMAO! wow i can't believe i finally had one of those moments.. I know its too late for excuses but i'll say this anyway...
i spent the last 10 hours moving furniture for 3 apartments, none with working elevators except mine (the last apt) and it was out so i had to bring everything us 5 floors.
I'm more than just a little burnt out
see my comments quoted below if you're late to this LOL moment
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2007, 01:49:25 PM
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Nobody has anything to say about smoke balls?
Is this really the first time i get to be first talking about an update??
oh my lucky stars! this is such an honor.. I... I can't blow this so i have to come us with something good to say..uhm...
they're neat!
What do smoke balls have to do with Metroid Prime 3?
Post by: stevey on August 06, 2007, 01:51:50 PM
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I personally think they should make Samus always look like this:
Kawaii! ^.^!
Chibi Metroid anyway?
or maybe Super Smash Bros. Chibi?
Samus shouldn't be cute. If Samus was cute, she wouldn't be a bounty hunter going around selling her services to space marines. Instead she would be go around selling her services to space marines...
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Oh, her boobs seem smaller than the Brawl model too, unfortunately.
The game a flop confirmed!
Post by: Caliban on August 06, 2007, 01:54:07 PM
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Nobody has anything to say about smoke balls?
Is this really the first time i get to be first talking about an update??
oh my lucky stars! this is such an honor.. I... I can't blow this so i have to come us with something good to say..uhm...
they're neat!
ROFL!
Although I have to say that would be quite cool if Samus could use smoke grenades...but she's not the stealthy type.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 06, 2007, 01:58:33 PM
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Samus shouldn't be cute. If Samus was cute, she wouldn't be a bounty hunter going around selling her services to space marines. Instead she would be go around selling her services to space marines...
Wait, wait, wait. Cute=Whore?
Stevey you sexist pig!
Post by: EasyCure on August 06, 2007, 02:03:28 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 06, 2007, 02:05:51 PM
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see original post above for my explanation. i will now avoid this thread till this blows over
Geesh, you just have to go around the board and make trouble don't you?
Post by: Mashiro on August 06, 2007, 02:08:02 PM
@ stevey: Lol I wasn't serious, but being cute wouldn't make you a whore X_X.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 06, 2007, 02:11:15 PM
Post by: stevey on August 06, 2007, 02:15:16 PM
...don't kill me
Post by: Mashiro on August 06, 2007, 02:17:42 PM
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Post by: Mashiro on August 06, 2007, 02:38:12 PM
Touche Stevey, Touche . . .
Post by: Kairon on August 06, 2007, 09:45:11 PM
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...this game is right up [Kairon's] ally.
No it isn't. This game looks like it's going to be good, and Kairon only likes bad games. (But, you might be thinking, that can't be, because he constantly praises Miyamoto games. That threw me off for a long while too, until he made a comment disparaging a gameplay mechanic of a certain game, not knowing that Miyamoto himself came up with it. This proved to me that Kairon is not really a Miyamoto fan, and can't really recognize Miyamoto's genius. In other words, every time he says he likes a Miyamoto game, he's lying.)
NAME THE GAME AND THE MECHANIC. RAWR.
Post by: Ghisy on August 07, 2007, 09:05:19 AM
I'm pretty sure this major BS.
But I did pre-order my copy on Ebay today, just in case.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 07, 2007, 09:07:16 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 07, 2007, 09:44:24 AM
If an EB employee tells any of you this game is going to be limited, I suggest you FALCON PUNCH them right in the face for being a no good dirty liar.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 08, 2007, 04:24:16 PM
IGN goes blah blah blah about how Brawl gets 5 updates a week while there's only been new Corruption info in the last 3 media events it appeared at.
It's not being advertised. The game doesn't exist. I need to get my $10 reserve refunded pronto.
Post by: Michael8983 on August 08, 2007, 05:35:29 PM
Sure Smash Bros has the website thing but it seems to be more of a hobby on the developer's part than anything else and let's not forgot that Smash Bros was not playable or even shown at E3 while Metroid Prime 3 was and got a very positive reaction.
As for Halo 3. Unlike MS, Nintendo doesn't have to hype up ONE game like it's all they've got because honestly as great as Metroid will be it's just one of several HUGE games it has coming out this Fall.
Nintendo already has huge cut-outs of Samus in game stores all across America which is something most other Wii games DIDN'T have this long in advance. But the best hype is the type that ironically comes from sites like IGN. It and every other respectable gaming site/publication has been raving about the game and its controls ever since it was revealed. Now that IGN thinks Nintendo isn't doing its part to hype the game, it creates a FRONT PAGE article all about it. It may be somewhat anti-Nintendo in tone but it's actually doing Nintendo more of a favor than anything else.
But if/when Nintendo releases some brilliant commercial that will be airing around the clock the week of the game's release, Matt will have to eat his foot.
Post by: EasyCure on August 08, 2007, 06:38:49 PM
lets face it nintendo wants to keep their commercials uniform and recognizable. Gone are the days where we get awesome adds like OoT had back in the day. I was hoping for something epic for TP around wii's launch and just got a few seconds of gameplay footage mixed in with other launch titles and people “experiencing” them.
if zelda didn't get an awesome commercial why would metroid?
Post by: Michael8983 on August 09, 2007, 12:26:46 AM
But they eventually moved on to more original commercials. If I'm not mistaken the controversial Mario Sunshine ad was the first of them.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 09, 2007, 04:03:29 AM
I personally, like the uniform commercial format for the Wii games. The intro music is instantly recognizable, and the two Japanese guys are likeable characters.
Post by: Michael8983 on August 09, 2007, 05:26:16 AM
Post by: EasyCure on August 09, 2007, 05:49:21 AM
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Nintendo's "Wii would like to play" commercial format can still work with Metroid Prime 3. They just need to extend the commercial and show alittle more gameplay and less crowd reaction...which will be easily done, since it is a one player game, and therefore they can make it more "moody" as well.
I personally, like the uniform commercial format for the Wii games. The intro music is instantly recognizable, and the two Japanese guys are likeable characters.
i agree it can work but it still wouldn't be like the good old days where we'd get an actor in a samus costume running down a corridor (or was that cgi? i don't remember) or a hot model to play Joanna Dark in the shower.. Or the best commercial ever: Mario Bros. 3. If you don't remember it you're either too young or lived under a rock.
i just feel that the more you show stupid expressions, less you show of the game, obviously, but also less game to sell or build hype for. But this is only for certain games. We all know Metroid isn't a casual affair, so the add shouldn't be about “whoa look at how you shoot in that game, it looks fun!” but instead “whoa! did you see that giant pteranodon-looking thing you have to shoot while falling down a shaft! dude i gotta try this game!!”
Don't get me wrong i like their adds now i just miss the old ones, they allowed for more creativity. The new adds do work though, i mentioned wii to my sister once in conversation and my stepfather overheard, and chimed in with “wii? oh! ‘wii would like to play‘ thats the one with the chinese guys right?”
he even did the bow and everything. He's not the type to sit around and watch tv so the fact that those adds stuck with him surprised me.
Post by: SixthAngel on August 09, 2007, 08:25:28 AM
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i agree it can work but it still wouldn't be like the good old days where we'd get an actor in a samus costume running down a corridor (or was that cgi? i don't remember) or a hot model to play Joanna Dark in the shower.. Or the best commercial ever: Mario Bros. 3. If you don't remember it you're either too young or lived under a rock.
i just feel that the more you show stupid expressions, less you show of the game, obviously, but also less game to sell or build hype for. But this is only for certain games. We all know Metroid isn't a casual affair, so the add shouldn't be about “whoa look at how you shoot in that game, it looks fun!” but instead “whoa! did you see that giant pteranodon-looking thing you have to shoot while falling down a shaft! dude i gotta try this game!!”
Just because it isn't aimed at the Wii Fit market doesn't mean the motion controls shouldn't be shown off. Motion controls appeal to people of all groups and I know game players who haven't been following it all the time (see: most everyone) will be really exited when they see people using the nunchuck grapple beam things and to rip things apart, turn levers, and aim like a real gun. The new controls are selling points for everyone and the most unique thing about the Wii, Nintendo should keep using them in every commercial.
Post by: Strell on August 09, 2007, 08:30:49 AM
The apparent lack of advertising on this is part of the marketing group that Nintendo is leaving behind when they move to SF/NYC.
So that decision is starting to make more sense.
Also, if I were Retro, and our game was being treated like this - having to suffer over a year delay to be polished (by which I mean some of that delay was manufactured by Nintendo), having to re-work a game from the GC -> Wii, having to make the controls perfect but then seemingly be tossed aside, all of this after being THE headliner title to show off just how great motion controls could be - I'd be f*cking pissed and question my second party status.
I'm guessing all those guys at Retro - a good part of them being FPS bigwigs - would absolutely kill to make a game with the 360/PS3's levels of power (over 9000). To be treated like a dog like this by Nintendo makes me sorry for them and breeds a lot of anger.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 09, 2007, 08:47:59 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 09, 2007, 08:49:04 AM
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I don't know about you guys but I remember a system, I believe it was called Wii, where people were whining and complaining about the lack of advertising about 3 weeks before launch. Or maybe this game called Super Paper Mario, it had like NO advertising 3 weeks before launch either, heck they waited a week before launch to even begin to market it. As we all know both were collossal failures and Nintendo didn't care one iota about selling them and gave the people who worked on both the finger.
ZING!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 09, 2007, 09:07:01 AM
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To add a little fuel to fire:
The apparent lack of advertising on this is part of the marketing group that Nintendo is leaving behind when they move to SF/NYC.
So that decision is starting to make more sense.
Also, if I were Retro, and our game was being treated like this - having to suffer over a year delay to be polished (by which I mean some of that delay was manufactured by Nintendo), having to re-work a game from the GC -> Wii, having to make the controls perfect but then seemingly be tossed aside, all of this after being THE headliner title to show off just how great motion controls could be - I'd be f*cking pissed and question my second party status.
I'm guessing all those guys at Retro - a good part of them being FPS bigwigs - would absolutely kill to make a game with the 360/PS3's levels of power (over 9000). To be treated like a dog like this by Nintendo makes me sorry for them and breeds a lot of anger.
I'm curious as to what inside information you have that you know that Nintendo was the one that pushed for the delay and not the other way around. Isn't it just as conceivable that Nintendo was pushing them to make the launch and they wanted more time? And if these so-called "FPS bigwigs" dislike the way Nintendo treats them why haven't they left Retro and formed their own company (i.e. Free Radical leaving Rare)? And who are you to speak for them with your assumption that they have strong desires to make games with the extra processing capabilities of the other seventh-gen consoles?
As has been pointed out, Nintendo never advertises games this long before they come out. I don't see how Nintendo "treated Retro like a dog".
Also, it would be a little tough for Retro to question its second-party status, as it doesn't have any. Retro is completely owned by Nintendo which makes them a 1st party development group.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 09, 2007, 09:12:27 AM
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Originally posted by: Strell
To add a little fuel to fire:
The apparent lack of advertising on this is part of the marketing group that Nintendo is leaving behind when they move to SF/NYC.
So that decision is starting to make more sense.
Also, if I were Retro, and our game was being treated like this - having to suffer over a year delay to be polished (by which I mean some of that delay was manufactured by Nintendo), having to re-work a game from the GC -> Wii, having to make the controls perfect but then seemingly be tossed aside, all of this after being THE headliner title to show off just how great motion controls could be - I'd be f*cking pissed and question my second party status.
I'm guessing all those guys at Retro - a good part of them being FPS bigwigs - would absolutely kill to make a game with the 360/PS3's levels of power (over 9000). To be treated like a dog like this by Nintendo makes me sorry for them and breeds a lot of anger.
I'm curious as to what inside information you have that you know that Nintendo was the one that pushed for the delay and not the other way around. Isn't it just as conceivable that Nintendo was pushing them to make the launch and they wanted more time? And if these so-called "FPS bigwigs" dislike the way Nintendo treats them why haven't they left Retro and formed their own company (i.e. Free Radical leaving Rare)? And who are you to speak for them with your assumption that they have strong desires to make games with the extra processing capabilities of the other seventh-gen consoles?
As has been pointed out, Nintendo never advertises games this long before they come out. I don't see how Nintendo "treated Retro like a dog".
Also, it would be a little tough for Retro to question its second-party status, as it doesn't have any. Retro is completely owned by Nintendo which makes them a 1st party development group.
You don't spend millions on a game, give a developer more time to polish it, and give magazines exclusives on it if you are going to "ignore" the game. Makes me wonder what you guy's have seen, Nintendo has never been one to hype a game up weeks before launch, Smash Bros. Brawl is the definite exception not the rule and that is most likely because they CAN reveal alot about the game. What are they going to do with MP3? Ruin all the levels and your special moves you get through progressing in the game? Who really does that? Heck MS isn't really doing any of that with Halo 3, so are they ignoring that as well?
Not only that but what would Nintendo hope to do with advertising it now? Sell more Wiis? Those same Wii systems that are selling out everywhere already? No I'm sorry but the smart thing to do is wait until the week of the launch and shortly after to hit people with marketing. Now if they don't do any of that and the game's sales suffer I say go after Nintendo, but until then stop complaining and try to have alittle faith that Nintendo knows what they are doing like they have been showing throughout this short, but overly successful Wii era.
Post by: Mashiro on August 09, 2007, 09:16:46 AM
Seriously people, the only game Nintendo really heavily advertised before it's release (in recent memory) was The Legend of Zelda: OoT.
People act as if Nintendo advertises all its heavy hitters way before hand and Metroid Prime 3 is the exception to the rule. This is a silly argument at best.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 09, 2007, 09:31:28 AM
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THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!
Seriously people, the only game Nintendo really heavily advertised before it's release (in recent memory) was The Legend of Zelda: OoT.
People act as if Nintendo advertises all its heavy hitters way before hand and Metroid Prime 3 is the exception to the rule. This is a silly argument at best.
Is it possible for the sky to fall? Hmmmm.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 09, 2007, 09:33:47 AM
Post by: wandering on August 09, 2007, 11:17:20 AM
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...this game is right up [Kairon's] ally.
No it isn't. This game looks like it's going to be good, and Kairon only likes bad games. (But, you might be thinking, that can't be, because he constantly praises Miyamoto games. That threw me off for a long while too, until he made a comment disparaging a gameplay mechanic of a certain game, not knowing that Miyamoto himself came up with it. This proved to me that Kairon is not really a Miyamoto fan, and can't really recognize Miyamoto's genius. In other words, every time he says he likes a Miyamoto game, he's lying.)
NAME THE GAME AND THE MECHANIC. RAWR.
Allow me to quote for you some words that were exchanged between us a year ago, in the Super Mario Galaxy thread.
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I don't understand the hype because I don't get what's so great about running upside down on a planetoid [...]
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Kairon may think he's a Miyamoto fanboi, but he has demonstrated today that he is anything but.
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BUT MIYAMOTO'S EAD ISN'T MAKING IT! NINTENDO TOKYO'S JUNGLE BEAT TEAM IS!
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Nice try.Quote
Takashi Tezuka: Mr. Miyamoto had done experiments with Mario on a round playing surface in the past, so that married up to this idea of taking him somewhere new.
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That's right. You just said you don't get what's so great about an idea Miyamoto himself came up with.
Post by: Kairon on August 09, 2007, 11:31:53 AM
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...this game is right up [Kairon's] ally.
No it isn't. This game looks like it's going to be good, and Kairon only likes bad games. (But, you might be thinking, that can't be, because he constantly praises Miyamoto games. That threw me off for a long while too, until he made a comment disparaging a gameplay mechanic of a certain game, not knowing that Miyamoto himself came up with it. This proved to me that Kairon is not really a Miyamoto fan, and can't really recognize Miyamoto's genius. In other words, every time he says he likes a Miyamoto game, he's lying.)
NAME THE GAME AND THE MECHANIC. RAWR.
Super Mario Galaxy. Walking upside down on planetoids.Quote
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I don't understand the hype because I don't get what's so great about running upside down on a planetoid
That's right. You just said you don't get what's so great about an idea Miyamoto himself came up with.
Is it not right that the student does not understand his teacher's actions? One must first be shocked out of knowledge, before they are opened to learning. *bows*
Post by: mantidor on August 09, 2007, 02:40:09 PM
Well nintendo's marketing department, in all honesty I have to say that you in fact suck, putting echoes against halo 2 was the stupidest idea ever, and I guess that such collosal failure is the reason you aren't hyping this game in the level it should. Yes, Metroid is a very special game series that will probably never get enormous sales, and people in general are dumb, stupid and prefer to just "shoot things" than experience the prefect gaming achievement that Metroid is, but also I'm sure theres enough people out there that still haven't played Metroid and would LOVE IT, you get to them, you will have someone that will buy every single iteration, don't be stupid! and Nintendo, don't forget that since we aren't that dumb you won't get us to buy your sh!tty spinoffs like pinball or hunters, make real metroid games, we will be there with our money, the only language you talk now.
Post by: EasyCure on August 09, 2007, 03:19:31 PM
screw matt and everyone at ign. That site blows and i feel disgusted for coming off like i was siding with his opinion about metroid not getting any hype. You'd think being part of their wii staff he'd know nintendo hasn't been wasting their money running adds months before the game is even out.
oh, wait, he does know! he's just trying to incite some nintendo hate because he wants people to check out his site and blog to start some pre-hype. He knows the adds will come and we'll be bombarded with them. He just wants to get attention on him while also getting some attention for the game, so that when the game sells better than Echoes he can say “see if it wasn't for me bringing awareness to the fact that this game wasn't being hyped like it should of been, some of you might not of known about it and missed the little hype it did have.” Conversely, if the game somehow manages to tank he can blog about how he called it, how he let the world know metroid wasn't being hyped enough before release but they didn't listen.
and speaking of Echoes, i've never seen that add you linked to Mantidor. Actually the only GC adds i ever say were the launch adds with things in cubes. Back then i had time to watch alot of tv too, but i still never saw them. Now that i have less time i see wii adds on almost every commercial break.
Post by: mantidor on August 09, 2007, 03:22:57 PM
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and speaking of Echoes, i've never seen that add you linked to Mantidor. Actually the only GC adds i ever say were the launch adds with things in cubes. Back then i had time to watch alot of tv too, but i still never saw them. Now that i have less time i see wii adds on almost every commercial break.
HA! No wonder then the poor fate of the game, I saw that add a million times, and in MTV LA of all places! I never expected to see a GC ad there, it surprises me you never saw it.
Post by: Kairon on August 09, 2007, 03:32:28 PM
Post by: EasyCure on August 09, 2007, 04:28:31 PM
i loathe all music television, except for muchmusic in canadaland but i can't get that here in the states anymore so i'm not sure if its still any good
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Post by: White Mage on August 10, 2007, 03:30:26 AM
Personally, I think this is an awesome step in the right direction for Nintendo. This is the closest thing they've done yet to downloadable demos, so hopefully it will eventually lead to that.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 10, 2007, 06:54:13 AM
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Well, in light of the Corruption Preview download on the Wii today, does that mean we get to rub it in Matt's face and post comments on his blog calling him a liar?
Personally, I think this is an awesome step in the right direction for Nintendo. This is the closest thing they've done yet to downloadable demos, so hopefully it will eventually lead to that.
What about the people here who were saying that Nintendo was crapping all over Retro and that Retro should be thinking about leaving?
Post by: Kairon on August 10, 2007, 07:35:32 AM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 10, 2007, 07:51:51 AM
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Are you implying that Matt was in on this to get people all up in arms over the "anti-hype" for MP3 only for Nintendo to turn around and say "Ha! Gotcha!"? It is kind of strange that IGN has yet to report on the MP3 preview...
Not really they usually don't update until later in the evening.
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Post by: Mashiro on August 10, 2007, 08:36:39 AM
I mean come on a PREVIEW CHANNEL!?
If they were SERIOUS about Metroid Prime it would have been a downloadable demo.
I am totally joking lol.
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Post by: Mashiro on August 10, 2007, 10:17:43 AM
Good stuff. The bonus was kinda cool =)
The bridge fight video was pretty awesome but the other video was so . . . I dunno. I already don't care for the voice acting in this game. The narration was so generic and so was the random army guy at the base or w/e he was.
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Post by: mantidor on August 10, 2007, 05:17:11 PM
but is so expensive, I can't believe I just notice this, I always felt that the game was coming in a few months and I'd had time to save some money, also hoping for the price drop... damn Nintendo and their overpriced stuff... Post by: Adrock on August 10, 2007, 06:39:19 PM
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Post by: Mashiro on August 10, 2007, 06:53:54 PM
Now this is just my perception of things but more than likely the majority of FPS get into their respective games for what? The multiplayer. Prime is a FPA and while it's going to be one hell of a game I just don't see Xbos 360 owners giving a damn about it (they have their halo 3 coming soon, I doubt they will lay out the cash just for a one player "FPS" romp). And PS3 owners . . . well they probably already own an Xbox lol.
I think Nintendo would do wise to make the game as noticeable as possible to it's existing market.
If Prime 1 and 2 couldn't push system sales I don't see how 3 will be any different.
Post by: Adrock on August 10, 2007, 07:08:06 PM
Nintendo can never, or even hope to, out-Halo Microsoft with Metroid. Now, many on this board (myself included) are not Halo fans, but there's no denying that millions of people love the series to death (like my brother). The best Nintendo can do is make a better first-person shooter and it has to be an original IP. Since there will be no Metroid Prime 4, I think Retro should try their hands at a revolutionary FPS. They've earned the right to create an original game.
Post by: Kairon on August 10, 2007, 07:50:31 PM
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Sorry GP, I agree with Matt. Nintendo is just catering to the audience they already have. Nintendo needs to start the commercials, throw up billboards across the country, do some Metroid parties. Something other than reach out to current Wii owners.
Yeah, they're doing that. It's called SELLING OUT.
I think it's ridiculous to talk about Nintendo needing to sell Wiis to people who don't already own Wiis when the number of people who don't have Wiis and want 'em is STILL unproportionately large.
... what I think Nintendo CAN and SHOULD be thinking about is converting people who WOULD be going to the XBox 360 or PS3 because of these epic hardcore types of escapism, and instead get them to buy a Wii whether or not they own, or will eventually own, an X360 or PS3. Nintendo shouldn't be trying to eat into the markets of Sony and MS by stealing their customers, that's a red ocean "OR" strategy. People who want Halo 3 or FFXIII will buy a PS3 no matter what, Nintendo's strategy right now (in regards to established console gamers) is to get those people to own those consoles AND a Wii.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 10, 2007, 08:06:35 PM
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Sorry GP, I agree with Matt. Nintendo is just catering to the audience they already have. Nintendo needs to start the commercials, throw up billboards across the country, do some Metroid parties. Something other than reach out to current Wii owners.
As Kairon stated, Nintendo does not need to sell Wii's they are selling out all over, so all they have is the current base. Also you have to be pretty blind to not notice that Nintendo always waits until the week of or slightly after to hype things and guess what? IT WORKS. Super Paper Mario is a prime example of that. Heck even the Wii itself is like that, Matt and others whined about the lack of Wii advertising and guess what? They ate their words.
I'm sorry but people are being annoying about MP3, Nintendo has NEVER done something like they are doing now with hyping Metroid Prime 3, and yet people still whine, it is old and frankly it is childish. People can never admit they are wrong, instead they try to find faults in something that answers their concerns and consistently modify their whining instead of admit they may have jumped the gun. It was "Metroid Prime 3 is getting no hype and Nintendo is stupid" to "Well yeah they are now hyping it but only to its user base". Let me ask you what hype has Halo 3 really been getting? Yeah we've seen demos but really it is only selling to its current fan base, but that is ok for MS right?
Post by: Adrock on August 10, 2007, 08:34:19 PM
Post by: bustin98 on August 10, 2007, 08:37:14 PM
Selling out? Selling out? Are you mad? Do you think that mass advertising is compromising the integrity of the product?
EDITThis is what happens when I do this late at night. I read that as 'selling out' as how a music artist 'sells out' to sign on with a major label. Durrr. Just disregard that comment, please. Thank you!
The thing is Nintendo was pushing Metroid Prime 3 as proof that the Wii is 'the' system for FPS controls. But who is going to know if you downplay the release of the game?
Look at all the material available for the other big releases: Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo3, Call of Duty 4, Smash Brothers. There's so much info out there that it takes a minimal amount of effort to find. But no one is talking about Metroid because Nintendo isn't building brand name recognition.
The complaint is that Nintendo is pushing the existance of Metroid to the general public, and adding a video channel to Wii doesn't prove a damn thing. It does show what little faith in their users they have by gimping the videos provided. How would people react if videos of Mass Effect were in low res 4:9?
Nintendo just needs to create a better message with this title.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 10, 2007, 08:43:00 PM
Guess what? Smash Brothers is not the norm either, and really it has little hype beyond the "hardcore" base. It isn't going mass market so I fail to see the comparison, is it because it has a site that keeps tabs of new items, levels, and characters? Please, give me a break, no one pays attention to the updates besides its current base.
Metroid Prime 3 would more than likely sell as many copies with or without a big advertising drive, but I think its impact will be tremendous later on if the controls are great. Guess what? That is what really matters. Doing big huge extravagant, 100 million (Or whatever) dollar advertising campaign isn't going to change that either way. Metroid Prime is sadly a game that will remain stuck as a small but still loyal user base until Nintendo decides to make 50 player multiplayer modes with shark flame throwers and a run n gun single player. It is a franchise that is already pigeon holed and doesn't have the benefit of being a new IP or an extremely successful one. Nintendo needs to do what they've always done sell the game to its core and let the word spread, that is what happened to Wii and that is what CAN happen to Metroid Prime 3.
To Nintendo's credit, they are at least shaking things up with MP3 without getting extravagant, but starting to light the hype fire. But no, that isn't good enough, at first they were doing nothing but now that has changed to they aren't doing enough, even when history shows Nintendo usually waits until a game is almost available to put marketing behind it. Until Nntendo changes the gameplay of the series, buying Pepsi advertisements isn't going to do anything besides burn a hole in their wallet in order to satisfy a bunch of whiners who refuse to admit they are jumping the gun wanting to do something that will make no dent in the already sold out Wii sales. Face it, the mainstream gamers who drool over Halo have their minds made up and nothing is going to change that, which is why we need a new franchise if Nintendo hopes to recapture that segment. So instead of flushing marketing dollars down the toilet maybe they can invest it in something else.
In conclusion, if Nintendo hasn't started a decent marketing blitz focused on at least the user base, I will gladly join the choir. Until then I see Nintendo trying something new and out of character to advertise the game, and while maybe not the greatest it shows they care and are starting to hype it. Beyond that I really don't expect much else from them until VERY close to release. They have a great grapevine going now, something MP1 and MP2 didn't have, so lets let them use it. It worked with Wii, it worked with WarioWare, it worked for Zelda: OOT and it worked with Super Paper Mario, so let's back off and realize that Nintendo MAY actually know what they are doing this time. Hard to believe, I know, they only sold 9 million units in a year.
Remember this: The more money that is poured into marketing means the more money a game has to bring in to justify continuation of that game. It is a fine balance and not everyone can pour millions into marketing, especially with a game that marketing has failed to propel it in the past.
Post by: Mashiro on August 10, 2007, 08:46:10 PM
Halo is well Halo, it's pretty much why the Xbox even is still around so of course it's going to be pimped up and down. Who cares though? Do you honestly think Halo is going to reach out to new people that haven't played the series? Even if it does do you think it'll do so in such high numbers that it'll make Halo 3 sell all the more better?
Halo already has a fan base, as does the prime series but Halo is just that much larger.
Post by: Kairon on August 10, 2007, 08:48:19 PM
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Selling out? Selling out? Are you mad? Do you think that mass advertising is compromising the integrity of the product?
*confused at how stores selling out of Wii Stock in a single day has anything to do with the integrity of the product*
Post by: SixthAngel on August 10, 2007, 09:54:01 PM
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Why does anyone care if Nintendo is hyping Metroid Prime 3 anyway? You know the game is coming so you get to play it. What the hell difference does it make? Metroid doesn't sell systems, never has and probably never will. It does, however, rock your body (to the break of dawn).
When Matt complains about things he isn't actually complaining about the hype, he is bitching that HE doesn't have the demo's or videos left. He is a member of the gaming press and feels he deserves this stuff early and regularly or he goes on a hissy fit. This isn't the first time he complained about the gaming press not getting something early. The thing is since the Wii launch and the DS Nintendo has proven that the "videogame press" means absolutely dick. I think a lot of them feel threatened now that they realize they really don't matter and what they think doesn't change anything.
Post by: Ceric on August 11, 2007, 01:50:32 AM
Post by: mantidor on August 11, 2007, 06:30:33 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
Why does anyone care if Nintendo is hyping Metroid Prime 3 anyway? You know the game is coming so you get to play it. What the hell difference does it make? Metroid doesn't sell systems, never has and probably never will. It does, however, rock your body (to the break of dawn).
Because more sales means more games and I want more Metroid games! its never enough.
Going against halo and/or the ps3/360 crowd is just stupid as I said, and they don't have and should not do that. Metroid is a quality series and it deserves and can have more sales. I doubt they have really topped the potential sales of the franchise, specially with the new expanded audience.
Post by: bustin98 on August 11, 2007, 07:39:13 AM
Super Paper Mario has brand name recognition.
The Wii is selling on Wii Sports alone.
Metroid Prime 3 isn't out to be a system seller. Its out to be proof that the Wii can be a destination for great AAA first person shooters. But that won't happen if Nintendo can't sell the software. And the only way it will happen is if Nintendo can create brand recognition with the name 'Metroid'. When you think of high quality shooters, people should say 'Metroid', instead they say 'Halo' or 'Half-Life' or 'Goldeneye'.
Nintendo whoring out the name of Metroid to various outlets only re-enforces peoples thought patterns. It needs to happen or publishers are going to point at it and say 'See, if Nintendo can't even sell their own game, how can we?'. And those 2 Japanese guys running around saying 'We would like to play' isn't going to cut it.
I would say that Nintendo is content with selling Metroid to its known user base. They know that even if they sell 600,000 to 700,000 copies they've made their money back and didn't have to worry about a huge advertising campaign. And its just not what the 3rd parties want to see happen to their efforts.
Post by: Mashiro on August 11, 2007, 08:38:52 AM
There was little to no hype surrounding Wii when it launched and then bam instant success.
Marketing does not always lead to more sales.
Furthermore the flaw (and I mean MAJOR flaw) in the argument that Metroid is what people should be saying instead of Half-life, Goldeneye or Halo is (once again):
METRIOD PRIME 3 IS NOT A MULTIPLAYER GAME
I hate caps and bolding but everyone has to remember this one fact. Metroid isn't going to appeal to those FPS fans that enjoy their Halo, Half-life, Goldeneye, timesplitters, and what not. They are going to see a 1 player FPS game that's the 3rd in the series and they will probably have no clue what's going on and really not care.
Post by: Kairon on August 11, 2007, 09:22:59 AM
Assuming we have this long launch window of sales opportunity (as opposed to the traditional pattern of whatever you sell the first month, that's it), Metroid Prime 3 marketting can extend anywhere from now until Christmas in order to have an effect.
Post by: bustin98 on August 11, 2007, 09:49:24 AM
There is plenty of hype around the Wii itself. Everyone knows it will continue to sell-out through early next year. Now is the time for Nintendo to translate that hype into hype for software. And seeing how the release is right around the corner Metroid is the poster child of 'I need to be hyped'.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 11, 2007, 11:58:33 AM
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GP: On the Halo 3. I have seen something about Halo 3 on every major news outlet multiple times. I haven't really heard a peep about MP3.
Maybe because it is a big, popular title with 2 previous games? Not sure how being on the news translates into marketing by MS.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 11, 2007, 12:19:32 PM
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Maybe because it is a big, popular title with 2 previous games? Not sure how being on the news translates into marketing by MS.
Wait, are you referring to Metroid Prime 3 or Halo 3?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 11, 2007, 12:31:45 PM
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Maybe because it is a big, popular title with 2 previous games? Not sure how being on the news translates into marketing by MS.
Wait, are you referring to Metroid Prime 3 or Halo 3?
Haha I'm referring to Halo 3.
Post by: Mashiro on August 11, 2007, 12:34:16 PM
Well I went into Gamestop today and put down a pre-sale for Super Smash Bros. Brawl and it was only 5 dollars.
::shrugs:: No clue as to why Prime is 5 dollars more to reserve.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 11, 2007, 12:35:18 PM
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A little off topic but I believe it was discussed here about the 10 dollar price for the pre-sale for Metroid Prime 3 and people wondering if this was the new norm for Wii titles.
Well I went into Gamestop today and put down a pre-sale for Super Smash Bros. Brawl and it was only 5 dollars.
::shrugs:: No clue as to why Prime is 5 dollars more to reserve.
It is because of all the Metroid Prime 3 hype!
Post by: stevey on August 11, 2007, 02:31:15 PM
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Maybe their some awesome pre-order swag that we don't know about yet or gamestop just wants your money....
I would LOVE some pre-order swag.
I can't remember the last time I got an awesome Nintendo pre-order bonus thing. Wait I lied, actually I can. Toys R Us promo for the N64 gave you a free duffle bag =D.
Though I think my favorite Nintendo swag was the items I got while working at Toys R Us.
- Proudly hanging on my wall is a Metroid Prime / Fusion counter label (it was supposed to be placed by my register but I took it home instead).
- The Metroid Prime / Fusion "ask me about" visual neck tags.
- The Metroid Prime T-Shirt
- The Nintendo Gamecube metal key chain (this was one of my favorite items, it spun around and everything and then one day it broke *tears*)
- The Nintendo Wavebird promotional stand.
- The Nintendo Gamecube ORIGINAL promo DVD (yep, I took the store model home lol it's pretty funny to go back and watch).
- The Nintendo Gamecube promotional pamphlets.
- Original Nintendo plastic sign (used for hanging over the shelving area where Nintendo products would be)
- Super Nintendo Entertainment System plastic sign
- Nintendo Gamecube cardboard cut outs (smaller squares used for display purposes), one is a collage, one is of Wind Waker and one is of Metroid Prime.
- Nintendo Gameboy Advance cardboard cut out for Golden Sun
- Super Mario World thick plastic cardboard cut out (one of my all time favorites, found it way back in an old display area, had to take it home). It's of Mario jumping with his cape on.
- Gameboy Color big cardboard cut out featuring Link and Kirby.
- Gameboy Advance light up necklace.
and lastly
- Nintendo 64 cardboard cut out featuring Donkey Kong.
Ah I loved working at that place lol. I also took some of the massive posters that were used to hang on the large glass surrounding the video game section (R-Zone) but I forget what the posters had on them, they were too big to hang in my room lol.
Edit: I DID regret not being able to take 2 specific items . . . that I know are now in a garbage dump somewhere (The toys r us I worked at closed bout 2 years ago).
One was the display unit for Virtual Boy. It was the entire unit and surrounding display intact.
The other (this one I wish more than anything I could take but my manager wouldn't let me) is the ORIGINAL Gameboy system display. It was a huge replica of a gameboy with a TV screen which would show the game playing. The gameboy would sit in the middle of the unit.
Sadly each were rotting away on a high ledge I couldn't get to without a ladder in the storage place of the store and they were too big to sneak out. *tears*
Post by: Maverick on August 12, 2007, 10:14:43 AM
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TBH I played through Prime 1 just fine but I couldn't get into Prime 2 and truth be told, I never beat it.
My experience as well. Prime 2 was just really boring to me.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 12, 2007, 10:35:28 AM
Nintendo should just forget about its core audience -- it's nonexistant.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 12, 2007, 11:13:17 AM
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MP3 doomed
Ogg Vorbis all the way!
I actually thought about pre ordering Metroid. But I'll probably just pick it up at Fred Meyer or Target.
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Post by: Ceric on August 12, 2007, 01:27:15 PM
QuoteMaking it more apparent the MP3 needs some bigger marketing where as Halo 3 is natural getting it and thus could thrive with a lower budget.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
GP: On the Halo 3. I have seen something about Halo 3 on every major news outlet multiple times. I haven't really heard a peep about MP3.
Maybe because it is a big, popular title with 2 previous games? Not sure how being on the news translates into marketing by MS.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 12, 2007, 04:05:51 PM
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Originally posted by: CericQuoteMaking it more apparent the MP3 needs some bigger marketing where as Halo 3 is natural getting it and thus could thrive with a lower budget.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Ceric
GP: On the Halo 3. I have seen something about Halo 3 on every major news outlet multiple times. I haven't really heard a peep about MP3.
Maybe because it is a big, popular title with 2 previous games? Not sure how being on the news translates into marketing by MS.
Metroid Prime will never get close the sales to Halo, I'm sorry but we need to live with that. It is NOT a mainstream game and all the marketing in the world is not going to change that. Get over it, it is how it is, I know I have. Stop whining and realize that maybe Nintendo knows what they are doing, they've shown it so far with the Wii. They already are doing more than they have historically done in the past for big games, yet it of course isn't good enough. Maybe they should piss away 100 million in marketing, would that make everyone happy? Especially when the game may sell 2-3 million copies.
Post by: Shecky on August 12, 2007, 04:23:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
MP3 doomed
Ogg Vorbis all the way!
Props on outmatching Pro...
Post by: Shecky on August 12, 2007, 04:35:47 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
MP3: $30 at target!
That's an advertising error. You'd have to call and convince them (nicely) to honor it, but unlike something mispriced on the shelf - they can usually just claim an error in advertising (primarily there to save them from misprints in the circulated ads). Plus they're closed now and while as of 11:30pm ET it still shows up incorrectly, they'll probably fix it by tomorrow.
Edit: an even easier fix... now it's just "out of stock"...
Post by: Caliban on August 13, 2007, 10:40:37 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 13, 2007, 10:50:20 AM
Post by: NeoThunder on August 13, 2007, 10:55:27 AM
Post by: SixthAngel on August 13, 2007, 01:29:57 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 01:56:11 PM
::goes to check out the updates immediately::
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2007, 01:57:13 PM
I also love how the player zoomed right through the intricately-designed spider ball track...Such beautiful atmosphere...
Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 02:10:21 PM
Spider Ball movie was beautiful.
Awesome stuff truly great.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 13, 2007, 02:32:31 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngel
Mother Brain is back!! A full explanation on what she really is too. I really like this update.
I cannot get to my Wii right now, but what do you mean they explain what Mother Brain is, I thought she was a creation of the Chozo that went all Skynet on them, or that is what the seemingly canon e-manga lead you to believe.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 13, 2007, 02:35:21 PM
So could all spoilers concerning you-know-what be spoiler-fied, please?
anubis: She was an organic super computer created by Federation scientists, and was one of HUNDREDS made...Supposedly...It's always possible that the Federation design is based off Chozo technology...
Post by: NeoThunder on August 13, 2007, 02:47:39 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 13, 2007, 03:23:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Okay, from what I saw in Ninty's profile for MP3 on their site, this is a MASSIVE spoiler story-wise...Though I personally don't care, I'm sure there are people here that might not want to know about this until they play the game...
So could all spoilers concerning you-know-what be spoiler-fied, please?
anubis: She was an organic super computer created by Federation scientists, and was one of HUNDREDS made...Supposedly...It's always possible that the Federation design is based off Chozo technology...
Thanks!
It has never been said, to my knowledge, if the Chozo are part of the federation, allied with it but outside the actually union, or indifferent to the GF. I wonder if MP3 will answer that.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 13, 2007, 03:34:09 PM
Post by: Shecky on August 13, 2007, 04:05:18 PM
Post by: Caliban on August 13, 2007, 04:10:46 PM
3 days until another "FREAKING AWESOME!" update.
Post by: mantidor on August 13, 2007, 04:10:57 PM
edit: yay I found it, now loading
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THOUSANDS OF MOTHER BRAINS, NOT HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS!!
I don't see the need for spoilers though, I have the hunch this will be as secret as Link's wolf form in TP.
Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 05:31:40 PM
It lets them reuse a boss scenario over and over again should they so choose to.
Zeebees gone? Mother brain destroyed? Twice? Np! There's plenty more on other planets!
Post by: Kairon on August 13, 2007, 05:39:22 PM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 13, 2007, 06:24:31 PM
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Post by: Kairon on August 13, 2007, 08:39:40 PM
Post by: SixthAngel on August 13, 2007, 08:40:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Samus eventually marries a Mother Brain. A very inappropriate japanimation series will ensue.
So it would be Father Brain. The video says that they are each given different genders and personas so we could feasibly have a Brother Brain, Sister Brain, Father Brain, or many might be given more typical names (or at least as typical as names like Samus and Ridley are).
Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 09:20:02 PM
Mother Brain and her brain children! It'll be just like bowsers koopa kids!
Brilliant.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 13, 2007, 09:22:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
OMG I just thought of this . . .
Mother Brain and her brain children! It'll be just like bowsers koopa kids!
Brilliant.
What if Mother Brain and Bowser had babies?
Post by: Mashiro on August 13, 2007, 09:41:06 PM
I think you would get . . .
Seven =D
Lol jkjk.
Post by: Adrock on August 13, 2007, 09:49:56 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 13, 2007, 09:51:46 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 13, 2007, 09:53:12 PM
Post by: Adrock on August 13, 2007, 10:07:49 PM
Me: I read about this offer online about getting a free art book for reserving Tales of Symphonia.
Gamestop employee: WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL ITEMS YET!
Me: I... I know. They usually come when I buy the game, but I just wanted to know if this store is doin...
Gamestop employee: WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL ITEMS YET!
I found out a couple months later from someone who used to work at a Gamestop that employees normally take the bonus swag for themselves regardless of reserving this or that. They take it for the hell of it because it's worth something. Maybe it was just that one store, but I wouldn't put it past the Gamestop corporation as a whole. I've met ONE nice Gamestop employee and I only saw him once ever. He probably quit or got eaten by the other employees for not being a total douche. It's almost like being employed at Gamestop makes you an a-hole, whether it's an immediate effect or a gradual progression.
Post by: Kairon on August 13, 2007, 10:15:35 PM
Post by: Caliban on August 14, 2007, 02:53:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Samus eventually marries a Mother Brain. A very inappropriate japanimation series will ensue.
Well they did say on the video that there even is a sexual distinction among the Auroras, there's a male and a female version, so I guess that idea isn't too far off.
Edit: sixthangel already made mention of what I just wrote...move along, move along.
Post by: Caterkiller on August 14, 2007, 06:00:42 AM
Post by: NeoThunder on August 14, 2007, 01:53:49 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 14, 2007, 02:33:57 PM
Post by: Caliban on August 14, 2007, 03:51:28 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 14, 2007, 07:40:02 PM
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Matt, I only wish we could have answered this question before you posted your long commentary on marketing for Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. We read it with great interest. It says to us that you care, you love the franchise and you just want more. But it was also a bit conspicuous and disappointing that while you gave great prominence to your editorial, your site then ignored the free, exclusive Metroid Prime 3 Preview videos once they appeared in the WiiWare section of the Wii Shop Channel.
[Editor's note: In our defense, we did post the Metroid VC news and the new videos from the Metroid Preview Channel along with analyses for both.]
Nevertheless, here we are and there are a few things we want readers to know. First, we obviously care greatly about Metroid Prime 3. We made a conscious decision to give people a peek inside the world of Metroid Prime 3 a bit closer to launch, instead of bombarding them for many months. It's just a different way of doing things, and surprise is the key.
We could have told you about the surprise Metroid Prime 3 Preview videos ahead of time, but then they wouldn't have been much of a surprise, would they? All that Wii owners have to do is update their Wii systems to Version 3 and voila, you find a cool treat for all Metroid Prime fans. Finding it that way, frankly, might add a bit of intrigue for those who aren't as familiar with the franchise.
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is for gamers who have enjoyed the franchise in the past, as well as those who have yet to discover the fun of the Metroid Prime universe. It's a great way to experience the Wii Remote, whether you are a novice player or whether you are male or even female. I know that after just a few minutes with it, players will never look at a first-person game quite the same way again.
To answer one of your other comments, we still have a lot of our more traditional marketing efforts planned. People will see it all shortly, from ads to many of the usual tactics we use to support our key products. Plus: a few more surprises like the Metroid Prime 3 Preview. And no, I'm still not going to spoil the fun and tell you about it ahead of time!
First off, <3 Nintendo for responding to this.
Secondly, more surprises? AWESOME!
Post by: Kairon on August 14, 2007, 08:08:53 PM
Post by: Adrock on August 14, 2007, 10:04:50 PM
She's probably talking about another live action commercial.
Post by: tiamat1990 on August 14, 2007, 10:06:07 PM
This whole thing didn't really bother me that much. They were going to do it eventually. No one could be that stupid...
Post by: Ghisy on August 14, 2007, 11:17:30 PM
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Post by: Plugabugz on August 15, 2007, 06:40:25 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 15, 2007, 06:57:32 AM
Post by: Maverick on August 15, 2007, 08:36:01 AM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 15, 2007, 03:56:58 PM
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on August 15, 2007, 04:36:16 PM
Samus lands on Aether, kicks some ass, takes some names.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 15, 2007, 04:57:11 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 16, 2007, 04:29:26 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 07:16:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
I said in-depth. D=
Samus finds Metroid Prime, Samus Kills Metroid Prime, Phazon from Metroid Prime temporarily attaches to her, copies her suit, creates dark samus, dark samus is "killed", but is seen floating in space
Post by: stevey on August 16, 2007, 01:33:12 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 01:33:32 PM
P.E.D. suit explanation was pretty cool and more foreshadowing of what sort of enemies Samus may encounter this or next game at the very end.
The air assault video was ok too. Nice combat scenes and such.
Edit: Damn stevey . . .
Post by: Caliban on August 16, 2007, 01:46:43 PM
This is really off topic, but I would really like the next game made by Retro to be based off the "War Planets: Shadow Raiders" cartoon, they would be the best team to make such a game, or they could just create their own IP, because they are absolutely awesome.
Post by: Kairon on August 16, 2007, 02:26:20 PM
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on August 16, 2007, 02:50:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Dirk Temporo
I said in-depth. D=
Hey, did I say you could complain?
Post by: Shecky on August 16, 2007, 03:03:04 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 16, 2007, 03:07:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
Bowling is next, 8/20... interesting...
I would absolutely love a special "pro" ball in Wii Sports that resembled Samus as a ball.
How cool would that be?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2007, 03:42:50 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Boo, new videos didn't have anything we didn't already know....
- We'll be fighting Phazon-crazy soldiers (not the zombies from MP2)...
- Space Pirate armor can be blown off...
- Going into Hyper Mode requires the injection (and thus LOSS) of an Energy Tank...(This is huge, how could you miss this?)
Post by: MLS_man_64 on August 16, 2007, 04:14:31 PM
Spoilerz!
"Metroid Prime"?
I thought that at the end of the first game, after she beats Prime, as it is a bubbling pile of liquid, after it ripped off the Phazon Suit, you see the hand rise up.
Therefore, does it not infer that Metroid Prime, in its gelatin state, formed into Dark Samus? Just my thoughts on how it all belongs in the story line. Am I right?
Post by: Smoke39 on August 16, 2007, 04:24:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
- Going into Hyper Mode requires the injection (and thus LOSS) of an Energy Tank...(This is huge, how could you miss this?)
That's old news.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 16, 2007, 04:38:52 PM
"Therefore, does it not infer that Metroid Prime, in its gelatin state, formed into Dark Samus? Just my thoughts on how it all belongs in the story line. Am I right?"
Correct...
When Samus' Phazon Suit was absorbed by Metroid Prime, it also got some of her DNA, which allowed it to take Samus' form...
Post by: mantidor on August 16, 2007, 06:31:01 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on August 16, 2007, 06:58:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The old news is that using Hyper Mode will eat away at your health...It's never been stated in any previews or shown in any videos that it requires an entire Energy Tank to use it...
I could swear that part's been mentioned before, but I don't remember where.
Post by: Athrun Zala on August 16, 2007, 07:09:27 PM
QuoteI kinda like that actually... makes its use more tactical (ie, it's cost is too high, so you can't abuse it and shouldn't use it just when you feel like it)
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The old news is that using Hyper Mode will eat away at your health...It's never been stated in any previews or shown in any videos that it requires an entire Energy Tank to use it...
Post by: King of Twitch on August 16, 2007, 07:21:54 PM
Post by: Plugabugz on August 16, 2007, 08:11:04 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on August 16, 2007, 08:44:20 PM
I mean the stuff is not just radioactive, it appears to warp the mental processes of the surrounding lifeforms, and it seems to have reality warping attributes as well (kind of like the "artifacts" from a book I just read; Roadside Picnic). I wonder if the Phazon itself is a sentient lifeform.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 16, 2007, 09:11:08 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
I wonder if this game will explain the origins of Phazon.
I mean the stuff is not just radioactive, it appears to warp the mental processes of the surrounding lifeforms, and it seems to have reality warping attributes as well (kind of like the "artifacts" from a book I just read; Roadside Picnic). I wonder if the Phazon itself is a sentient lifeform.
The phazon originated in the underwater city of Rapture, that is a fact!
Post by: Stogi on August 16, 2007, 11:02:33 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on August 17, 2007, 01:09:00 AM
Post by: EasyCure on August 17, 2007, 04:48:37 AM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
The old news is that using Hyper Mode will eat away at your health...It's never been stated in any previews or shown in any videos that it requires an entire Energy Tank to use it...
I could swear that part's been mentioned before, but I don't remember where.
in almost every interview done with retro where they've mentioned it. they've always said its one of her most powerfull attacks but its not something you can or should abuse because it'll cost you your health
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 17, 2007, 05:12:43 AM
I'm actually psyched that I know so little about this game. I know about controlling the ship, and Hyper Mode, and some of the details regarding the Wii controls, but I've been so busy doing other stuff recently, especially this summer, that I haven't had much chance to look into game stuff. So I'm going into this almost completely blind, which will be a welcome change. Nothing but surprises.
Post by: Caterkiller on August 17, 2007, 05:13:39 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 17, 2007, 05:27:02 AM
Post by: EasyCure on August 17, 2007, 05:45:01 AM
i dont think i'll be getting this on launch day :cries;
Post by: mantidor on August 17, 2007, 02:01:29 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
So anyone else not trying to spoil this game?
I gave up. The main reason though is that I had huge doubts about the game, and I needed to see as much as I could about it. I am somewhat dissapointed, but I've come to accept it and I'm just trying to enjoy the stuff they are doing right.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on August 17, 2007, 02:19:02 PM
Which was a metroid,
Which was created by the Chozo,
Which was created to kill the X parasite plague?
So therefore isn't Metroid Prime just an out of control teen metroid that is ragging at the race that created it, and the universe that it lives in?
Also, did it send the asteroid Aether's way as well? And why?
Post by: mantidor on August 17, 2007, 02:25:10 PM
It appears dark samus uses giant rocks called leviathans to infect planets.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 17, 2007, 02:32:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Michael8983
Ok about the Metroid Channel. Worked fine the first day but now the videos will play for maybe five seconds at a time in between several minutes of buffering. My internet connection is fine, I checked. Is my Wii broken or is Nintendo's online setup just really THAT bad.
That happened to me yesterday as well. :/
Post by: anubis6789 on August 17, 2007, 02:33:12 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on August 17, 2007, 02:41:05 PM
Post by: MLS_man_64 on August 17, 2007, 04:36:45 PM
Then Metroid Prime/ Dark Samus created and piloted another Phazon asteroid into Ather?
Post by: Shecky on August 17, 2007, 04:55:11 PM
Post by: Caliban on August 17, 2007, 06:35:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
According to what I just read on Matt Cassamassasassinassass blog, tomorrow (Wednesday) and beyond he will be playing the final build of MP3...I wonder if anyone of the NWR staff will also be getting a copy...perhaps they too need to whine about the lack of advertising for MP3.
Shecky should occasionally read my posts.
Annnnd, apparently there is this Gamestop/EB in the USA that has a playable MP3 kiosk, supposedly it is not a demo but the full game.
Post by: anubis6789 on August 17, 2007, 06:47:38 PM
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Originally posted by: MLS_man_64
From my understanding, Metroid Prime produces/produced the Phazon in the asteroid, and was stored/captured/piloting from the inside when it collided with Tallon IV.
I am pretty sure that that Metroid Prime was a Tallon Metoid with prolonged exposer to Phazon and the Phazon meteor crash happened long ago, perhaps even hundreds of years.
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Originally posted by: MLS_man_64
Then Metroid Prime/ Dark Samus created and piloted another Phazon asteroid into Ather?
The dimensional split on Aether had been around for quite a while before the game began, as seemingly is the case with the meteor impact on Tallon IV. I think that the game itself said it happened a couple generations prior, and that the Luminoth live much longer than humans.
I have not played the games in a while though, but this is what I remember.
Post by: Kairon on August 18, 2007, 02:06:27 AM
Videos of the beginning of the game, and impressions of the game, are out on the internets, complete with spoilers!!!
Post by: Terranigma Freak on August 18, 2007, 04:15:40 AM
http://www.gamesradar.com/us/wii/game/features/article.jsp?releaseId=200605092056126030&articleId=2007081714272738007§ionId=1003&pageId=20070817143551548048
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 18, 2007, 05:10:00 AM
Post by: Shecky on August 18, 2007, 05:48:10 AM
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Originally posted by: CalibanQuote
Originally posted by: Caliban
According to what I just read on Matt Cassamassasassinassass blog, tomorrow (Wednesday) and beyond he will be playing the final build of MP3...I wonder if anyone of the NWR staff will also be getting a copy...perhaps they too need to whine about the lack of advertising for MP3.
Shecky should occasionally read my posts.
Annnnd, apparently there is this Gamestop/EB in the USA that has a playable MP3 kiosk, supposedly it is not a demo but the full game.
Bah, I'm desensitized to people who misread or don't read a post. (Points to title)
And I bet that Gamestop/EB has access to a review copy... I don't think the stores have the game yet.
Post by: Hostile Creation on August 18, 2007, 06:23:48 AM
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I am pretty sure that that Metroid Prime was a Tallon Metoid with prolonged exposer to Phazon and the Phazon meteor crash happened long ago, perhaps even hundreds of years.
I forget the distinction between normal Metroids and Tallon Metroids (did they even appear until Echoes?), I think Tallon Metroids are slightly more powerful due to mild phazon implimentation. What happened on Tallon was that the space pirates discovered this substance, phazon, and began experimenting with it. They brought Metroids that they had in captivity and tried to fuse them with the phazon. One, for inexplicable reasons, became a huge success: Metroid Prime. Maybe too huge a success. It became so unexpectedly powerful that it overwhelmed them and escaped, so they did what they could to seal it off. They tried to imitate that success again, with more control, but it never happened. Metroids were not native to Tallon, they were brought in by the space pirates and used for experiments. Metroid Prime is more a fluke than anything else.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 18, 2007, 11:39:58 AM
First 10 from NP since RE4...
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 18, 2007, 12:13:48 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 18, 2007, 02:52:30 PM
"Berserker Lord Defeated" and "100 Kills," etc...Interesting addition...
Post by: ShyGuy on August 18, 2007, 07:22:45 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 18, 2007, 07:56:39 PM
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But a 10/10 from Nintendo Power is automatically dismissed by the internet hardcore gamerz!
Actually I think anyone would take Nintendo Powers reviews with a grain of salt, they are terrible when it comes to accurately rating games.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 18, 2007, 08:51:33 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
But a 10/10 from Nintendo Power is automatically dismissed by the internet hardcore gamerz!
Actually I think anyone would take Nintendo Powers reviews with a grain of salt, they are terrible when it comes to accurately rating games.
SEE?!?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 18, 2007, 09:00:25 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuyQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
But a 10/10 from Nintendo Power is automatically dismissed by the internet hardcore gamerz!
Actually I think anyone would take Nintendo Powers reviews with a grain of salt, they are terrible when it comes to accurately rating games.
SEE?!?
Must be why I subscribe to it right? BUt seriously their reviews are terrible, even the worse of games they give like 7/10.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 18, 2007, 09:03:33 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2007, 02:14:37 AM
Edit: From the NP review:
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"Corruption is the first [game] that doesn't leave any room for you to consider whether it would be better with traditional controller. From shooting enemies to targeting grapple points to scanning artifacts into your logbook, the system works impeccably."
"Corruption exemplifies the Metroid experience better than any game before it. Deeply enjoyable and satisfying, this is the title that the gamers have been waiting for."
Super Metroid fanboys will get angry I'm sure, but who cares?
Post by: Mashiro on August 19, 2007, 07:52:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I trust NP reviews over EGM's, Game Informer's, and 1up's, and that's all that really matters...
Edit: From the NP review:Quote
"Corruption is the first [game] that doesn't leave any room for you to consider whether it would be better with traditional controller. From shooting enemies to targeting grapple points to scanning artifacts into your logbook, the system works impeccably."
"Corruption exemplifies the Metroid experience better than any game before it. Deeply enjoyable and satisfying, this is the title that the gamers have been waiting for."
Super Metroid fanboys will get angry I'm sure, but who cares?
I'm a Super Metroid fanboy I guess lol but man I'm not angry about that.
If that's true than awesome, I can't wait to try the game and find out for myself.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 19, 2007, 08:13:25 AM
Post by: Maverick on August 19, 2007, 10:56:07 AM
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 19, 2007, 11:54:18 AM
QuoteIf you subscribe, you must never even look at the reviews. Crap still gets crap rating. Far Cry Wii got a 4.0, Pirates of the Caribbean, Happy Feet 4.5, Tomagotchi Wii 2.5.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Must be why I subscribe to it right? BUt seriously their reviews are terrible, even the worse of games they give like 7/10.
Maybe you think Wii Sports deserves a 0.0 score, but most of the reviews on Game Rankings say its either a 7.0 or an 8.0 game. Nintendo Power, for that matter, says it is an 8.0.
Sure, it is Nintendo rating its own games. But their reviews are not as significantly divergent as you suggest.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 12:04:41 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 FlavasQuoteIf you subscribe, you must never even look at the reviews. Crap still gets crap rating. Far Cry Wii got a 4.0, Pirates of the Caribbean, Happy Feet 4.5, Tomagotchi Wii 2.5.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Must be why I subscribe to it right? BUt seriously their reviews are terrible, even the worse of games they give like 7/10.
Maybe you think Wii Sports deserves a 0.0 score, but most of the reviews on Game Rankings say its either a 7.0 or an 8.0 game. Nintendo Power, for that matter, says it is an 8.0.
Sure, it is Nintendo rating its own games. But their reviews are not as significantly divergent as you suggest.
Guess I better dig up my NP issues so I give some other single review scores to prove my point like you have. They are also heavily biased with Nintendo games, just like any official magazine is for a particular console. One thing I will admit is they have gotten better lately, but still anytime when you are dealing with an official Nintendo/MS/Sony magazine reviews should be taken with a grain of salt, especially for 1st party games.
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 19, 2007, 12:17:38 PM
QuotePage 90 of the September issue is where the score vault is. Pick out something you think is off kilter.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Guess I better dig up my NP issues so I give some other single review scores to prove my point like you have. They are also heavily biased with Nintendo games, just like any official magazine is for a particular console.
Again, as I said, it is Nintendo rating its own games. But I think you've really only got about half of a point leeway in the argument.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 12:20:43 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 FlavasQuotePage 90 of the September issue is where the score vault is. Pick out something you think is off kilter.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Guess I better dig up my NP issues so I give some other single review scores to prove my point like you have. They are also heavily biased with Nintendo games, just like any official magazine is for a particular console.
Again, as I said, it is Nintendo rating its own games. But I think you've really only got about half of a point leeway in the argument.
Not sure what you mean there. I do find it odd that people are so defensive because someone questions the official game magazine of Nintendo, giving a first part game a perfect 10.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2007, 12:22:13 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 12:26:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Pokemon Battle Revolution got a 6.5 from what I remember...But yeah, sure, biased...
Except for the part that even at 6.5/10 it was still higher than the vast majority of the reviewers.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2007, 12:31:30 PM
(Actually, my turn for conspiracy theories! You're trying to undermine Metroid Prime 3 because you're a rabid Halo fan that is getting that awful 130 dollar consumer-whore version! Ewwww, EWWWW!)
*holds nose and points at GP*
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 19, 2007, 12:38:05 PM
QuoteWell, lets just hypothesize... BioShock is developed by 2k games.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Not sure what you mean there. I do find it odd that people are so defensive because someone questions the official game magazine of Nintendo, giving a first part game a perfect 10.
1up gave it a 10. IGN gave it a 9.7. Game Informer gave it 10.
Let's say for pretend that Nintendo, yes, Nintendo, is the developer and publisher of BioShock.
Would you still say Nintendo can't give its own game a 10.0 then?
What I'm getting at is, that if Metroid Prime is a 10.0 game, why can't Nintendo give it a 10.0?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 12:38:31 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 12:40:18 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 FlavasQuoteWell, lets just hypothesize... BioShock is developed by 2k games.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Not sure what you mean there. I do find it odd that people are so defensive because someone questions the official game magazine of Nintendo, giving a first part game a perfect 10.
1up gave it a 10. IGN gave it a 9.7. Game Informer gave it 10.
Let's say for pretend that Nintendo, yes, Nintendo, is the developer and publisher of BioShock.
Would you still say Nintendo can't give its own game a 10.0 then?
What I'm getting at is, that if Metroid Prime is a 10.0 game, why can't Nintendo give it a 10.0?
There is no reason why they can't, but I'm saying I need to see more scores to see if there is a bias or not for Metroid Prime 3. I hope they are right because Metroid Prime 3 is easily my most anticipated first person game coming out, even above Bioshock and easily above Halo 3. Let me put the shoe on the other foot, if The Official Xbox Magazine gave Bioshock a 10/10 and was the first review, I would be just as if not more hesitant with that score as I am with NP.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2007, 12:51:45 PM
So what you are saying is that NP should have given the game an 11... =3
Post by: Mashiro on August 19, 2007, 12:53:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"So usually when I read a NP score I take off 1/2 to 1 point on any Nintendo game, to even things out."
So what you are saying is that NP should have given the game an 11... =3
. . . wait what?
She just said take off not add
Bill is using some wacky trick to try and confuse us all! RUN AWAY!
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2007, 01:11:01 PM
(You don't get it... =3)
Post by: Mashiro on August 19, 2007, 01:13:59 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 19, 2007, 01:23:04 PM
Post by: MLS_man_64 on August 19, 2007, 01:28:50 PM
Post by: stevey on August 19, 2007, 01:39:08 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 19, 2007, 02:07:58 PM
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Post by: Michael8983 on August 19, 2007, 03:00:16 PM
But if you compare the scores with other sites, NP is FAR from the most generous towards Nintendo's own games.
They even gave Eternal Darkness one of the WORST scores of any site or publication.
Post by: Ceric on August 19, 2007, 03:32:29 PM
Post by: Adrock on August 19, 2007, 03:51:08 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 05:45:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Michael8983
People just assume NP is biased because it's from Nintendo.
But if you compare the scores with other sites, NP is FAR from the most generous towards Nintendo's own games.
They even gave Eternal Darkness one of the WORST scores of any site or publication.
And for every Eternal Darkness there is myriad of other games they gave higher scores to than any other publication. Personally I think you have to be bit naive to think that a Nintendo funded magazine would not be biased, because even when people try to be objective bias always slips in someplace.
Post by: Kairon on August 19, 2007, 05:50:22 PM
Post by: therat on August 19, 2007, 05:57:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkKu3wzxFE
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 06:06:36 PM
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Originally posted by: therat
full first hour of gameplay, enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkKu3wzxFE
You shouldn't be tempting people with spoilers.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 06:07:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
What did they give ED? If it's low enough, they may be my heroes. If it's too low though, I will send them some lovely hate-fan-art.
They gave ED a 4/5, knowing Nintendo's stance back then they probably docked it for being too mature.
Post by: Mashiro on August 19, 2007, 06:10:39 PM
(Don't get me wrong I love ED but it wasn't perfect game material).
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 19, 2007, 06:58:38 PM
QuoteSo we've gone from all games getting at least a 7/10 to only a select cut of Nintendo titles getting a .5 - 1 point bias. I know you're not going to concede, but you make it such a nice neat conspiracy. Yet this can be said of any review from any magazine for really any reason. You could even say some interests are paying to depress scores.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
And for every Eternal Darkness there is myriad of other games they gave higher scores to than any other publication. Personally I think you have to be bit naive to think that a Nintendo funded magazine would not be biased, because even when people try to be objective bias always slips in someplace.
Regardless, we know that NP reviews are not wildly radical as in Pokemon Battle Revolution getting a 10 or 9.5 when the bulk of reviews say 5 or 6. So even with said bias, for Metroid Prime 3, a 10.0 - 1 is still a 9 or a 9.5 so you know the game is gonna be pretty bad ass. If it helps you, just call me a fanboy, but I just don't have a problem with Nintendo Power's reviews, even in light of the "obvious" conflict of interest.
Post by: TrueNerd on August 19, 2007, 07:28:24 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 09:06:09 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 FlavasQuoteSo we've gone from all games getting at least a 7/10 to only a select cut of Nintendo titles getting a .5 - 1 point bias. I know you're not going to concede, but you make it such a nice neat conspiracy. Yet this can be said of any review from any magazine for really any reason. You could even say some interests are paying to depress scores.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
And for every Eternal Darkness there is myriad of other games they gave higher scores to than any other publication. Personally I think you have to be bit naive to think that a Nintendo funded magazine would not be biased, because even when people try to be objective bias always slips in someplace.
Regardless, we know that NP reviews are not wildly radical as in Pokémon Battle Revolution getting a 10 or 9.5 when the bulk of reviews say 5 or 6. So even with said bias, for Metroid Prime 3, a 10.0 - 1 is still a 9 or a 9.5 so you know the game is going to be pretty bad ass. If it helps you, just call me a fanboy, but I just don't have a problem with Nintendo Power's reviews, even in light of the "obvious" conflict of interest.
Not sure what your problem is, you appear to be quite hostile about defending Nintendo Power. I fail to see why anyone would deny there is a potential conflict of interest, it would seem like you were sticking your head in the sand to state otherwise. Any time a company owns a publication there is ALWAYS a conflict of interest which can show threw from time to time. This can potentially be the case for a big game that is going to be put into some heavy competition. So forgive me for being a pessimist until I see other reviews. There is a lot at stake with Metroid Prime 3, not just sales but potentially giving a boost to other games that utilize aiming.
In case you didn't realize it, that 7/10 was not to be taken as overall but used more to illustrate my point that their scores can be inflated because it is what I’ve seen in the magazine from time to time. So I guess you can call it an exaggeration, but if it will make you happy I'll look through my latest issue of NP and find examples of what I felt were too inflated. Please use my examples of NPs scores being inflated for Nintendo titles compared to other reviews, and apply that to other magazines, since it appears it occurs with any other magazine. You must hold that answer right? You appear to be cocky enough, yet you haven't really showed me much beside insulting me and talking with severe condescension.
It is odd though, personally out of magazine publications I enjoy EGM the most, and while I feel they have a slight anti-Nintendo bias it usually isn't played out that way. Then again if someone were to question them, I doubt I'd get so up in arms over it. My main dig with all the official magazines is that chances are the people that are hired are in fact, fanbois of the console or company, and I think that leaves open a chance for manipulation or if not that, at least a bias, whether they intend to portray it or not. Any journalist, no matter how hard they may try, it is not humanly possible to remain 100% objective all the time.
Oh yeah for the heck of it another game they inflated was Sonic and the Secret rings which got the 2nd highest review score from, guess who, Nintendo Power. Not to mention the fact I don't believe I've ever read a news story that wasn't in Nintendo's favor, so that shows a form of bias, which could also seep into reviews, especially of important BIG games, especially games where they are the first to throw a review score out for to get hype. With that said I would trust NP over play magazine any day!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 19, 2007, 09:45:14 PM
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 19, 2007, 11:12:26 PM
QuoteYou're right, you're never going to see Nintendo pimp Sony or Microsoft games in Nintendo Power. But chances are that someone who is subscribing to Nintendo Power really only wants to read about what is being released for Nintendo hardware. So you're going to have to pardon that choice by the editor. That comes with the territory, wouldn't you agree?
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Not to mention the fact I don't believe I've ever read a news story that wasn't in Nintendo's favor, so that shows a form of bias
You can't be serious in this accusation...QuoteI honestly feel I will be vindicated on Metroid Prime 3. If not, and the game turns out mediocre, I'll eat my posts in this thread.
which could also seep into reviews, especially of important BIG games, especially games where they are the first to throw a review score out for to get hype. With that said I would trust NP over play magazine any day!
QuoteI don't know about you, but I own it and play it. I definitely agree with the score. That said though, there are at least 14 other reviews listed on Game rankings that though it was at least 8.0 material.
Oh yeah for the heck of it another game they inflated was Sonic and the Secret rings which got the 2nd highest review score from, guess who, Nintendo Power.
Edit: Removed sega from the list of games Nintendo Power won't pimp. Since actually they did put Shadow the Hedgehog on a cover before and if the 8.5 given to Secret Rings was bogus ...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 20, 2007, 12:26:44 AM
In regards to Metroid Prime 3, don't get me wrong I hope they are right and I really wouldn't be surprised if they are right about the game from what I've heard. With that said I still want to see sources other than the official Nintendo magazine before I give one way or another. All I can say is that I am happy to see it receive a rare 10 out of them, I just hope it is a REAL 10 and not a bias 10. Though I do admit that since 10s are so rare for them it gives me some hope that it could turn out true, especially since I am SOOO excited for MP3, and I couldn't really say that about MP2. So here is hoping the review score is justified and MP3 is an instant classic. I think we can all agree on that. My only real worry is that graphic bias could bring some scores down, even if the gameplay is great. Should be interesting to see how the final rankings turn out compared to a game like Bioshock.
Post by: Shecky on August 20, 2007, 01:58:07 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 20, 2007, 02:01:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
What did they give ED? If it's low enough, they may be my heroes. If it's too low though, I will send them some lovely hate-fan-art.
You can't give ED a score that is too low...that game is WAY over hyped. It is pretty average game with a great story, and a wonderfully cool game mechanic, that is all.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 20, 2007, 02:32:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Shecky
New movies today people! If you want to continue to bitch about NP, I'd say make it scientific.... (I'd like to know the lowest score given to any Nintendo created and published title was for example.)
I remember that Geist got a 5.0. I wouldn't say the bias comes anywhere close to being a rule or something to be automatically deducted from the score, for the most part I agree with their scores. Sometimes the score is higher than I'd give, sometimes it's lower. That is also the case with any other reviewer.
Post by: Ceric on August 20, 2007, 02:59:00 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 20, 2007, 06:02:49 AM
Twenty years before the start of the game, the meteorite struck Tallon IV, bringing Phazon with it. The impact, perhaps because of the Phazon, forcefully drew the moved-on-to-a-higher-plane Chozo back to the planet, where they tried to deal with it, failed, and sealed it away. The writings they left say that the Worm was in the meteorite. It seems to suggest the Worm is Metroid Prime, but it might just be the Phazon itself, which even the Pirates say has some lifelike qualities. The impact crater was sealed by almost magical Chozo technology.
The Pirates arrived sometime later. In fact, they are in the process of establishing the base on Tallon IV during the game. The vessel Samus raids at the beginning of the game is one of three that escaped Zebes after her rampage. It brought the Metroids to Tallon IV. The Pirates experimented on Metroids with Phazon, along with every other living thing they came across. They claim to have created Metroid Prime this way. It became hyper-aggressive, even for a Metroid, and they subdued it with cold. It kept mutating, eventually became strong enough to break free, assimilated their experimental weapons, and started killing everything until they ended up sealing it in a part of their Phazon mines, which somehow led to it being in the impact crater that the Chozo had sealed off to keep the Worm trapped.
I don't know if they chose one of those possibilities to be the canonical one for later games, or if they just left it unresolved. I kind of like the idea of the Phazon having an intelligence of its own, personally.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 20, 2007, 06:06:18 AM
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 20, 2007, 06:24:07 AM
QuoteSo conversely both OXM and PSM should run articles stating how they are getting their butt kicked and that maybe "hi-def" wasn't the best bet to run with this generation?
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Well the only part I'm going to reply to (well maybe two parts). I don't expect them to pimp MS or Sony, though that does not mean it couldn't have been honest during the GC era about GC struggling. They pretty much looked over the fact that GC was getting its butt kicked and excluded stories that stated otherwise.
Come on, you think that Sony or Microsoft fans want to read about that? Yea, I don't think Nintendo fans want to read about Nintendo's woes anymore then 360 or PS3 fans. It shouldn't be a shock or startling revelation that negative news about Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo isn't going to show up in their respective official magazines.
QuoteI'm not going to begrudge you this. But I just believe it is short sited for you to immeaditly accuse Nintendo Power's 10/10 as fudging the numbers. Yes, i'm fully aware of all the reasons why .5 or 1 point could have been added to the score. Just do the accusations after other reviews come out.
In regards to Metroid Prime 3, don't get me wrong I hope they are right and I really wouldn't be surprised if they are right about the game from what I've heard. With that said I still want to see sources other than the official Nintendo magazine before I give one way or another.
QuoteWhich, of course, isn't this why we have fan mags? Others will be quick and keen to automatically dock Nintendo for its lack of hi-def and 5.1 audio. Now I feel that is not necessarily uncalled for. I'd like to see Nintendo games in HD just as much as you. But if that is the case, shouldn't the PSP and DS have these same base deduction charges against their games? Or should we grade the graphics and audio of their games based on the capabilities of their hardware?
My only real worry is that graphic bias could bring some scores down, even if the gameplay is great.
So I don't feel a fan mag should be given heck disregarding those reasons. Or that because of such reasons, be given heck if it's grade for games is generally above what others give. It is a fan mag after all. Are you really going to begrudge OXM for giving BioShock a 100/100? Even if the majority of other reviews say 99 or 98?
Now it's a totally different thing if perfect 10's or 100's are common place in any fan mag. But I think that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo are capable of keeping their hands off the review scores that their respective magazine reviewers give.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 20, 2007, 07:31:58 AM
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 20, 2007, 08:01:45 AM
QuoteNo, you're just jumping to conclusion.
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Wait a second when did I complain about Wii not having HD? Have you read nothing I"ve stated in the past, in fact I've defended Wii over and over again here and I think their choice to go non-HD.
I was rather agreeing with you. That graphic bias in the media will probably bring down the average score of MP3.I am not painting you as a Wii hater. I was merely stating, I'd like "industry" reviews to grade the game's graphics based on the system and the art of the game. Vs comparing Metroid Prime 3's graphics to what ever HD mastery is available on 360 or PS3. That said though, if MP3 only has Gamecube level graphics I won't hold it against them for dropping the graphics grade.
QuoteRight, I would hope the "industry" reviews won't just say, "It's not HD. You lose 4.0 points automatically". But I have little faith.
I am interested in what others have to say about MP3's visuals because I've been blown away by some of the artistic details of it, the game looks great, but I'm not going to get even more hyped until I see more reviews.
QuoteAs far as Wii Sports go. I'm glad you saw it as hyperbole and didn't take it seriously.
At least that is what I'm getting from you, heck you even suggested I didn't like Wii Sports when I have been one of its biggest supporters.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 20, 2007, 08:14:44 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 20, 2007, 09:26:22 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 20, 2007, 09:33:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I wish the game wasn't delayed a week a month back...We'd be playing the game THIS WEEK... ;_;
Well I am glad in a way because I can play Bioshock and MAYBE Two Worlds.
Post by: Mashiro on August 20, 2007, 11:56:22 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I wish the game wasn't delayed a week a month back...We'd be playing the game THIS WEEK... ;_;
Well I agree 100% Bill. Bioshock means nothing to me!
Fixt.
just kidding.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 20, 2007, 01:51:04 PM
~ Space pirates jacked an Aurora unit from the Valhalla (Federation cruiser)...
~ METROIDS!
~ You can bowl over enemies by boosting into them in Morph Ball mode!
Fun little extra: Dead Federation troops in the video are all named after members of Retro Studios...The one that caught my attention to this was none other than Retro Studios president, Michael Kelbaugh...
Post by: mantidor on August 20, 2007, 03:31:35 PM
Dark Samus is Mother Brain
Yeah I know, but they are at least more related than what I initially thought. Space pirates weren't known for this kind of organized attack according to the video, so my guess is she's looking for a body! her "mind" is floating out there somewhere...
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 20, 2007, 03:34:38 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2007, 08:44:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Adrock
I can see them trying to tie the Prime series to the main series using Aurora, but I think they're better left treated as separate entities, even though Prime consistently refers back to the main series. However, the reverse is not true. Well, Zero Mission kind of does, but not really.
I think we should just see the Prime series as a separate entity and not look too deep into continuity with previous Metroids which really lacked any story. If you want to bring in older Metroids, I would use Zero Mission's story over the original Metroid.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 21, 2007, 05:03:50 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 21, 2007, 05:19:57 PM
Guess I'll just have to wait 'til morning!
Post by: Mashiro on August 21, 2007, 05:42:52 PM
Post by: MLS_man_64 on August 21, 2007, 06:10:07 PM
This is all so confusing? Seriously, it is worse than piecing together the Zelda storyline, or maybe not.
Post by: Mashiro on August 21, 2007, 06:26:27 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 21, 2007, 07:09:46 PM
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 21, 2007, 09:25:25 PM
Post by: mantidor on August 22, 2007, 05:06:46 AM
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Originally posted by: MLS_man_64
So, if in conceptual theory Dark Samus were to become an Aurora/MotherBrain somehow, that might be an ironic twist since the original Mother Brain was originally Chozo technology (can someone explain where they got that bit of info from), and the Metroids were created by the Chozo, and Dark Samus was a Metroid "Prime" that got all pissy and took out the Chozo's home world?
This is all so confusing? Seriously, it is worse than piecing together the Zelda storyline, or maybe not.
The source of the origins of Mother Brain is Metroid ZM manga. Now this is an official manga, taken as canon, is not some fan fic or anything, and I think its mentioned in the manual as well, I would have to check it out.
Basically all the Chozo did technologically went wrong, and thats why I guess they became nature lovers towards their end. All their mistakes were left though, from giant killer chozo statues to the metroids themselves.
I'm sure corruption will clarify things further... or make them more obscure :P.
Post by: Stogi on August 22, 2007, 11:44:35 AM
If Matt is a metroid fanatic, then it would make sense that he would be more critical than someone who hasn't played the games. I guess it's good news that he loves it!
Post by: Caliban on August 22, 2007, 12:02:01 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2007, 12:22:48 PM
Post by: cubist on August 22, 2007, 01:32:40 PM
For those who are playing before I can, this one's for you -- "May the rats eat your eyes!..."
Judging from Cassie's impressions, he's as gitty as a schoolgirl over this one. I hope it just plays as well as his impressions. We need a Bioshock-like experience on the Wii...for those of us who don't have an XBOX 360 and are loyal Nintendo fanboys.
Post by: UERD on August 22, 2007, 01:42:02 PM
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Might one of these brainy creatures amount to the mother of all enemies? You're going to have to play to find out.
Post by: Mashiro on August 22, 2007, 03:33:52 PM
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Originally posted by: UERD
I read the IGN article. The last sentence made me lawl.Quote
Might one of these brainy creatures amount to the mother of all enemies? You're going to have to play to find out.
PLEASSEEEEE don't post stuff from Matt without spoiler tags, I'm intentionally avoiding IGN for that very reason X_X.
Stupid Matt I know for a fact now there will be mother brain in the game. My life is ruined RUINED. ::runs off crying:
Post by: UERD on August 22, 2007, 03:50:49 PM
I thought we had already established that fact in the other thread. Sorry, Mashiro.although it was nice of you to blame Matt and his own spoiler-tag-less impressions article
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 22, 2007, 04:11:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
This is actually quite brilliant of them.
It lets them reuse a boss scenario over and over again should they so choose to.
Zeebees gone? Mother brain destroyed? Twice? Np! There's plenty more on other planets!
Post by: Mashiro on August 22, 2007, 04:33:49 PM
but yeah I hate when people who play the game hint at stuff without spoilers. Even though we KNOW there are thousands of potential mother brains on other planets we don't know (even if it seems likely) that we will encounter one in MP3 though it seems likely with Matt's "tone" in that sentience haha.
Post by: UERD on August 22, 2007, 04:58:24 PM
plus you got me to FINALLY figure out how to use spoiler tags...it took a while.
Post by: Mashiro on August 22, 2007, 05:16:40 PM
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Originally posted by: UERD
Well he said he was only done 1/3 of the game when he wrote the article so he could be just pulling stuff out of his rear :P.
plus you got me to FINALLY figure out how to use spoiler tags...it took a while.
Oh ok cool.
Enjoy spoiler tags.
Hard to believe the game is only 4 days away now! WOOT!
Post by: Caliban on August 22, 2007, 08:11:47 PM
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Originally posted by: UERD
Well he said he was only done 1/3 of the game when he wrote the article so he could be just pulling stuff out of his rear :P.
No, he said that they were only allowed to write a preview from the first third of the game, but they had finished corruption in full after READ SPOILER IF YOU DESPERATELY WANT TO KNOW 20 spectacular hours.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 23, 2007, 07:23:22 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 23, 2007, 07:23:23 AM
And, 20 hours is really a good bit of gaming for an action adventure game, and really puts it close to length of some Zelda games and other adventure games of that elk.
As for action games, 20 hours is really quite good.
I am really curious about the story in this game...I think it has more potential than any other Zelda game to date, and I am quite excited to see what Retro is able to do in their final chapter.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 23, 2007, 07:33:51 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2007, 08:22:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
wow, that's 17 hours more of good content than Twilight Princess had!
And infinite in quality gaming hours when compared to Killer7.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 23, 2007, 08:37:01 AM
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 23, 2007, 08:47:29 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
wow, that's 17 hours more of good content than Twilight Princess had!
And infinite in qualty gaming hours when compared to Killer7.
So the quality gaming hours in Killer 7 is some value k such that k + 20 = Infinity. If we subtract 20 from Infinity, then, we should be able to determine the number of quality gaming hours in Killer 7. I don't have to be a mathematician to realize I must have really missed out by skipping this game.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2007, 08:59:25 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBearQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Professional 666
wow, that's 17 hours more of good content than Twilight Princess had!
And infinite in qualty gaming hours when compared to Killer7.
So the quality gaming hours in Killer 7 is some value k such that k + 20 = Infinity. If we subtract 20 from Infinity, then, we should be able to determine the number of quality gaming hours in Killer 7. I don't have to be a mathematician to realize I must have really missed out by skipping this game.
Well trying to play through Killer 7 is like spending an unlimited amount of time going through excruciatingly poor gameplay. So in that sense it seems like infinite when you try to play through it.
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 23, 2007, 09:04:18 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 23, 2007, 09:10:04 AM
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Originally posted by: PartyBear
Actually, now that I've given it more thought, you were essentially equating 20 and infinity, which is just a logic error and doesn't really say anything about the quantity of quality gaming hours in Killer 7. We should stick to a proven scale, like Time to Crate.
How about Killer7=-20 quality gaming hours compared to Metroid Prime 3 because the each hour playing it actually takes 1 hour out of your sanity, and in turn you life.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 23, 2007, 09:14:50 AM
And really, killer7 doesn't necessarily have poor gameplay it's just overly simplified almost to the point of non-gaming. There's a difference.
1) Walk in a straight line
2) Shoot things
That's not difficult, considering OMG RE4 manages to get enemies to CHASE YOU and you end up RUNNING, LEFT & RIGHT even.
Ghost Squad doesn't even let you walk by your own will power, fancy that.
Excuse me but i just came back from Wendy's and my supervisors are speaking high-school German. Time to un-pimp your OTTO. Get down with the deutchland.
Post by: mantidor on August 23, 2007, 02:51:31 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 23, 2007, 04:01:22 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 23, 2007, 04:10:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
No one's talking bout the Metroid Prime 3 Wii Would Like To Play commercial?
Haven't seen it yet but that was good!
{coolcaps}
NINTENDO WHY DIDN'T YOU SHOW MORE CAMERA SHOTS LIKE THE ONE TOWARDS THE END DAMN! ::slams head into a table::
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The angle with the guy shooting and what not with him in the foreground and prime in the background was perfect! Shoulda used that style shot more.
Nice commercial though, decent run time though it seems like even metroid is being aimed at the casual market with the players they had playing the game.
Post by: UERD on August 23, 2007, 04:16:26 PM
Post by: MaryJane on August 23, 2007, 04:57:17 PM
About game time, I'm pretty bad at video games, no matter how much I love playing them I suck. I don't even play Mario KartDS online anymore because I'm no contest to the other people playing.(so much for matches by skill level, maybe I'm just that bad?) So when I see a game took a person who plays video games for a living 20 hours to beat a game I know that it will take me at least 30 which is a good run time.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 23, 2007, 05:03:24 PM
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To tell you the truth, the in-game footage in that tiny Quicktime window looked better than the preview footage in the preview channel. I can't put my finger on exactly why, though...
The Preview videos are horribly compressed, that's why... =\
Post by: mantidor on August 23, 2007, 05:26:37 PM
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Post by: mantidor on August 25, 2007, 04:52:40 AM
Anyway I've read is customizable, which is great.
Post by: Smoke39 on August 25, 2007, 05:00:18 AM
Post by: EasyCure on August 25, 2007, 05:23:09 AM
i'll admit though that when i found out about using A in RE to shoot i was concerned, but that turned out to be a non-issue
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 25, 2007, 06:08:25 AM
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I played a demo at EB, then put it down after 5 minutes. It felt pretty neat in advanced settings, but I didn't want to spoil the experience!!!
Haha, I read just the first sentence and was thinking of various ways to torture you...You're lucky I decided to finish reading! ='D
Post by: Smoke39 on August 25, 2007, 06:43:37 AM
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Well RE4 used A for shooting ann that didn't throw my aim off when rapidly firing a pistol.
i'll admit though that when i found out about using A in RE to shoot i was concerned, but that turned out to be a non-issue
Uh, doesn't the pistol in RE4 only fire like 2-3 rounds a second? I'm talking about wildly mashing A.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 25, 2007, 08:16:27 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 25, 2007, 09:19:35 AM
Automatics are ALSO FIRED by TAPPING A. Essentially you create a pistol with a high rate of fire and much larger ammo capacity.
=P BLEHHHHHHH
Post by: Ceric on August 25, 2007, 10:18:06 AM
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Post by: Michael8983 on August 25, 2007, 03:53:01 PM
I mean WE know what the Wii does. It's nothing special to us having logged countless hours with it.
But to people who have never touched a Wii-mote before, these commercials must be very appealing.
I mean let's face it, the Wii hasn't sold out every month since launch because it's had a constant stream of great games since then. It's selling because it's so new and different. It's important that the commercials continue to highlight that.
MP3 might not beat Halo 3 in overall sales, but I bet it's going to appeal to a wider audience by winning over people who would never dream of touching a title like Halo 3 or any traditional FPS,
Post by: stevey on August 26, 2007, 12:15:01 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 26, 2007, 08:04:28 PM
9.5
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 08:21:35 PM
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Matt has the IGN review up
9.5
The load times and a supposed pointless fetch quest kind of worries me!
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 08:25:55 PM
Just like the fetch quests in the last two games made them terrible? Oh wai...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 08:28:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"The load times and a supposed pointless fetch quest kind of worries me!"
Just like the fetch quests in the last two games made them terrible? Oh wai...
Actually yes, I hated the fetch quest in Metroid Prime 1 and never got to beat the game because I said screw it to backtracking for those artifacts. Metroid Prime 2, I dunno never played it, but I heard it really abused backtracking. So yes, I consider it a big negative.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 08:31:40 PM
(Sounds like you suck at exploring...)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 08:35:28 PM
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You are hearby banned from buying Prime 3 until you play and finish Prime 2... >=|
(Sounds like you suck at exploring...)
It is called not wanting to trudge through a huge world to find artifacts at the very end of the game. Zelda: Wind Waker's treasure hunt had exactly the same flaw, it is a poorly designed feature to artificially lengthen the game. What made the Metroid series so great was that while you explored it didn't force you to find a bunch of items scattered across the world at the very end of the game, or close to it. The game was designed so you found things as you progressed.
Post by: thepoga on August 26, 2007, 08:36:03 PM
Post by: Stogi on August 26, 2007, 08:42:13 PM
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Matt has the IGN review up
9.5
The load times and a supposed pointless fetch quest kind of worries me!
It's funny....I thought this was sarcasm to it's fullest degree until I read your later posts. If a couple of load times and a fetch quest are the only things wrong with the game (and I don't dislike fetch quests!) then I couldn't be happier.
It sounds like Matt was a jackass when it came to the fetch quest (he said it himself), and it seems like he's trying to find something to bitch about when he talks about load times. Both of those problems are minor in my eyes and thus, from what I've this game is practically perfect.
Post by: Mario on August 26, 2007, 08:44:57 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 08:48:37 PM
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Matt has the IGN review up
9.5
The load times and a supposed pointless fetch quest kind of worries me!
It's funny....I thought this was sarcasm to it's fullest degree until I read your later posts. If a couple of load times and a fetch quest are the only things wrong with the game (and I don't dislike fetch quests!) then I couldn't be happier.
It sounds like Matt was a jackass when it came to the fetch quest (he said it himself), and it seems like he's trying to find something to bitch about when he talks about load times. Both of those problems are minor in my eyes and thus, from what I've this game is practically perfect.
Good for you, you like fetch quests, but many of us don't especially ones that are entirely pointless like the artifacts in MP1 and the triforce quest in Wind Waker, you can have exploration without doing stuff like that, previous Metroids did it. Figures that you would harpoon Matt, he gave the game a 9.5/10 which is HIGH for him yet people still complain, obviously those issues didn't both him too much. It seemed he docked the game more for being a sequel with similar gameplay then he did for those two things.
Anyway, heaven forbid people don't like fetch quests that do nothing for a game except for artificially lengthen it, becoming a potential pain if the items were missed earlier. There are well designed fetch quests and there are poorly designed ones, well designed ones are ones that are integrated in such a way that you find them as you go, while poorly designed ones leave open a big chance of you missing them and having to spend hours going back and searching every nook and cranny.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 08:52:14 PM
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GP is female and can be forgiven for asking that games hold her hand throughout the entire thing, lay off Bill. I think it's safe to say you shouldn't even be in this thread, let alone discussing "what made the only Metroid games you've played through so great" if you haven't even played the most recent game in the series.
Bill is the one that insulted me, what is with you guys and your insults? So now I don't have a right to discuss the Prime games because I quit playing the game after putting in close to 20hrs only to find out I had to go back through a HUGE world and tediously search for artifacts? What is your problem? Seriously. I've played through every Metroid game except for the Prime games, and Prime 1 I came close to completing but didn't feel like going on a multiple hour fetch quest. MP2 I never got around to playing, and from what I read about it, it was the black sheep of the series so I didn't have much incentive to play it.
Also since you feel like being a smart ass Mario, Metroid Prime 2 was not the latest game in the series. Let's see what Metroid games have I played through:
-Metroid 1
-Metroid 2
-Metroid 3
-Metroid 4
-Metroid Zero Mission
-Metroid Hunters
and I'm going to put Prime 1 in there because I was close enough to the end. The game was brilliant besides that one flaw and even though I never completed I would still give the game a 9.5 or higher. So quit being so freaking prissy and whiny when someone has a legitimate complaint about a game. Funny that you accuse me of wanting my hand held when Metroid 1 and Super Metroid did nothing of the sort, shows what a sexist jerk you are.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 08:56:06 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 08:57:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I see no point in whining about a series that clearly isn't for you...You didn't finish MP1 and you didn't even play MP2, so why even bother when it's pretty likely the third game is just going to expand on the previous two games?
So because I hated one stupid element in it, that means the series isn't for me? I guess with that logic I should hate Zelda: Wind Waker right? Even though it is one of my favorite games even with the stupid treasure hunt. What I find most ludicrous, is that I am not the only one with these complaints, and yet I am not allowed to comment on an aspect of the game, one that is actually minor when it comes to the design (it was not really necessary either). Sounds like Smash Brothers Brawl all over again, you don't agree with one thing about a game you are a hater and can't hold an opinion. Must be why I've been more excited for Metroid Prime 3 then ANY First person game coming out, right? Sometimes you guys make me sick with your oversensitive insulting BS when someone has a complaint.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 08:59:45 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:00:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
With as much of a deal you are making out this "one stupid element," (which also happened to keep you from completing a game) it seems so, yes...
Guess what? I loved Battletoads, yet I never beat the game, does that mean I shouldn't like it? Funny though I didn't make a huge deal out of it, it was your smart alik comment that made it a big deal, because heaven forbid someone disliked a design choice for Prime 1.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 26, 2007, 09:03:11 PM
"Funny though I didn't make a huge deal out of it, it was your smart alik comment that made it a big deal, because heaven forbid someone disliked a design choice for Prime 1."
It's bloody implied by you not finishing the first game because of it... =|
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:05:25 PM
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So did you not beat it because of a specific gameplay element or just because the game was too hard? A game can be too hard yet you can enjoy the gameplay elements it employs...
And guess what, I enjoyed the gameplay elements Metroid Prime 1 had, but I refused to go back through the world and find pointless artifacts to open the way to Ridley. I didn't have the time nor the patience, I'm surprised I even completed the Wind Waker treasure hunt.
I hate to break it to you but good design can also complement exploration. Like I said previous Metroids showed this, you explored your world but at the same time it didn't let you get too far without getting something. Games that leave open the possibility of having to do a big scavenger hunt at the game is lazy and FORCED exploration over the whole world. Metroid Prime had a huge world, and I wasn't about to go through it all over again to find stupid artifacts. Heck I think I had 5 or 6 of those artifacts to find, and I had no idea where to start looking, so that combined with a thing called "a life" I gave up but still hold MP1 in high regard despite that one crappy design choice that appears to have been remedied in MP3 (Not sure about MP2, I know it had backtracking but not sure if you had to go find items you missed towards the end of the game).
Post by: Mario on August 26, 2007, 09:07:48 PM
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Bill is the one that insulted me, what is with you guys and your insults?
Yeah I was telling him to lay off. I don't consider being a female and having feminine traits an insult either, perhaps unless you're Samus. Finally, you cant quote a 95% review and only comment on the negative things, and then call someone else a whiner. Dont throw stones from a glass house, unless you're trapped in it and need to get out.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:11:19 PM
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Bill is the one that insulted me, what is with you guys and your insults?
Yeah I was telling him to lay off. I don't consider being a female and having feminine traits an insult either, perhaps unless you're Samus. Finally, you cant quote a 95% review and only comment on the negative things, and then call someone else a whiner. Dont throw stones from a glass house, unless you're trapped in it and need to get out.
I can quote it if I find it somewhat unnerving, it is a concern, that is not whining. You want to see whining, just look how you guys have freaked because someone didn't like the scavenger hunt in Metroid Prime 1, it was very unMetroid like and hurt my experience with it, so isn't it justified to be concerned about something similar happening in 3?
The way I see it, Metroid Prime 1 was virtually flawless and the game was not about this one aspect of it, there was so much more that made the game great and unique, the scavenger hunt at the end was unnecessary. Just like I found the scavenger hunt in Wind Waker to be terrible, but on the flip side the game was not about the scavenger hunt and didn't need that either. Metroid Prime had TONS of fun exploring without the need for finding artifacts, so I don't consider it an integral part of the Metroid Prime formula or really the Metroid formula in general. If anything they should have been optional, heck I consider the best exploration games to be ones where exploring is not only a part of the game but also has some optional, yet rewarding reasons to explore, that is what the artifacts should have fell under.
In regards to Metroid Prime 3, I have become hyped for the game because it seemed like it was doing everything right, not to mention it seems to be the ultimate homage to the original games. It seemed like Retro has been putting their heart and soul in the game, I just hope the scavenger quest is minor and not like a triforce or artifact hunt. Loading isn't a huge deal, but I have never been a huge fan of it (especially loading between areas!). I guess in a way I singled those two things out because I wanted the game to be flawless, so perhaps I am overreacting but it is because I want the game to be great, GOTY material, something that will put Halo 3 and Bioshock to shame.
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:24:36 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:26:32 PM
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Shan't we postpone this arguement until after we all have the game in our Wiis and have reached this supposed fetch quest?
Yeah but I can't talk about it, because I didn't beat MP1 or 2.
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
Either way, I'd rather think a meltdown at 1am in the morning over the importance of the words "fetch quest" to Metroid fandom is a good use of our time. Let's get back to derailing Smash Bros. threads, I say!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:33:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Hey, what do ya know! Neither did I!
Either way, I'd rather think a meltdown at 1am in the morning over the importance of the words "fetch quest" to Metroid fandom is a good use of our time. Let's get back to derailing Smash Bros. threads, I say!
I want to talk about Ian though.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:35:51 PM
It got a 9/10 from them, which I guess is pretty good for a supposed anti-Wii site. They complain about the fetch quest, controls (Huh?), and some repetitive environments.
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:38:28 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:42:39 PM
So with 1up giving the game a 9.0... I say that Gamespot will be the site to 8.5 it!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:43:41 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:46:18 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:48:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Hmm... I think hardcore gaming media will have a really difficult time even CONTEMPLATING giving a game of the year award to the little-console-that-could, the wii.
Mario Galaxy better get game of the year or I will personally be VERY upset. Heck I'd even settle for Smash Brothers Brawl.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:51:50 PM
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Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:52:34 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 26, 2007, 09:56:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Yeah... I'm saving my "this is an outrage!" energy for when mainstream gaming publications snub Mario. That's why I'm mellow right now over Metroid... I'm saving it all for an italian plumber who wears a red hat.
Well Metroid Prime 3 doesn't deserve GOTY anymore without Kraid . I'm sorry but bring back Mother Brain isn't good enough Retro!
Post by: Kairon on August 26, 2007, 09:56:37 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Nooooo, I just read that Kraid won't be in the game. Dang you Retro, I wanted to see him in 3D!
Why? Why oh why did I read that spoiler? Why?
Edit: I'm not even going to... stop it GP! Stop writing spoilers!!! /cry
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 26, 2007, 10:17:00 PM
Warning spoilers in this one. An interesting thing to note is this reviewer says the games a near religious experience and that it's easily superior to the first.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2007, 10:41:30 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 27, 2007, 12:36:37 AM
Can't wait to pick this title up later today!
You won't see me on the forums that much
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Post by: mantidor on August 27, 2007, 03:26:42 AM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
An interesting article at IGN points out a scanned panel that reads "Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion." They come to the logical conclusion that this either means the rumored Metroid: Dread, a 2-D Metroid for the DS, is actually coming, or Retro is screwing with us. Either way, this is awesome (though obviously more so if the former is true).
haha I bet they are just screwing with us I'm a negative person lately, but this kind of things are neat.
I also nominate GoldenPhoenix for the "worst spoiler use" award, I don't need to read that to know who is missing, thanks a lot.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 27, 2007, 03:47:01 AM
Post by: UERD on August 27, 2007, 03:47:17 AM
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You can take these medals to a special extras menu to purchase welcomed additions like a screenshot tool that enables you to snap in-game photos and send them to friends over WiiConnect24, a bobblehead for Aran's cockpit, new bumper stickers, or concept art and music.
WTF LOL I'm definitely getting this game now.
Also, from 1Up:
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Corruption contains some of the best visuals in gaming, period. It can't always mask the hardware's technical limitations (pixelation every time you're up close waiting for a door to open, for example), but in most cases the lighting, attention to detail, and wonderfully cohesive and imaginative art direction more than make up for the Wii's lack of raw horsepower. Put it this way: I found myself wandering through rooms two or three times just to look at them. How many games on any system can you say that about?
If this doesn't call bulls*** on developers who snub the Wii because its hardware can't 'fulfill their creative vision' or whatever, nothing will. Five billion shades of brown =/= artistic talent and vision.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 27, 2007, 03:52:27 AM
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Post by: Caliban on August 27, 2007, 05:42:50 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 27, 2007, 05:58:46 AM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
An interesting article at IGN points out a scanned panel that reads "Experiment status report update: Metroid project 'Dread' is nearing the final stages of completion." They come to the logical conclusion that this either means the rumored Metroid: Dread, a 2-D Metroid for the DS, is actually coming, or Retro is screwing with us. Either way, this is awesome (though obviously more so if the former is true).
haha I bet they are just screwing with us I'm a negative person lately, but this kind of things are neat.
I also nominate GoldenPhoenix for the "worst spoiler use" award, I don't need to read that to know who is missing, thanks a lot.
I agree that it is most likely just Retro screwing with people, but that is still awesome. But I think (or maybe just hope) that the game has a legitimate chance of being made. What else does Nintendo have that they haven't done on the DS so far? They haven't got anything announced for next year.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 27, 2007, 06:27:27 AM
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Post by: Stogi on August 27, 2007, 06:55:47 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 07:25:17 AM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
Supposedly the bosses are "epic" and "challenging" with the final boss being "not as hard as the rest."
Hasn't that been the case with the previous two Metroid Prime games? Granted I never faced the boss in MP1, but I heard while it took awhile to kill it wasn't that hard, not sure about MP2 though.
Post by: Stogi on August 27, 2007, 07:34:50 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 07:35:53 AM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
No. MP1's last boss was the hardest for me to beat (although perhaps on the same level as the super space pirate or whatever).
What about MP2? It is odd you say that about MP1, but you would know, I just heard differently (I've watched a youtube video of the boss battle as well).
Post by: mantidor on August 27, 2007, 07:51:02 AM
Post by: chaingunsofdoom on August 27, 2007, 07:52:06 AM
Post by: k_bukie on August 27, 2007, 09:20:55 AM
Emperor Ing is definitely the toughest boss, but the 3rd Dark Samus fight is technically the last boss fight, even though it's pretty easy once you get the hang of it.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 27, 2007, 09:22:33 AM
Indeed they were great. Good mixes of reflexes and priority in strategery. The better you understood the puzzle of the battle the better strategery you had the less you got raped. MP1 tested your reflexes and patience. MP2 tested your reflexes and total combat ability, with the last phase being a nice combat riddle similar to the last phase of MP1 which leads to some of the gameplay in MP3. People had *serious* whine-inducing trouble with the first phase in MP2 cuz they were unable to develop a combat strategy that adapted to the 3D space and mechanics they had; or you could call it bad tunnel vision.
Of course, this is coming from a guy who's happy to beat Saddler with only a handgun and 20 rounds. or play thru Mega Man X in less than 1.5 hours without getting hit.
or thinks the easiet boss in Metroid Prime is Omega Pirate on normal.
or thinks the easiest boss in Viewtiful Joe is Fire Leo on normal.
Post by: Caliban on August 27, 2007, 10:38:53 AM
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on August 27, 2007, 10:45:07 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 10:56:05 AM
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Hey, anyone wondering where our review is? Hint: it's not coming today, maybe not even this week. Stay tuned for an explanation.
Reason: We are too lazy to do it now.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 27, 2007, 11:20:03 AM
"modern gaming has made them soft"
I get it! They're stuck at the first boss and quit playing!
Or they never got an early review copy cuz Nintendo sucks.
Post by: Mashiro on August 27, 2007, 11:25:14 AM
ok.
Wow.
So I played Metroid Prime 3 at Gamestop today (I dropped by after work to see if it came in . . . tomorrow @ 2. DAMN IT) but yeah.
WOW.
I didn't spoil too much of the game for myself but I played through the beginning portion a little bit (not very far in but about 15 minutes worth of playin' around).
Absolutely awesome. I had a smile on my face the whole time. The guy working the register said "Yeah . . . I see you smiling. haha everyone who tries this game smiles, they just can't help it". I simply replied with "this is awesome".
And it was. First and foremost the graphics in person are BEAUTIFUL. The game was running at what seems like 60 FPS and a casual gamer (25-28 year old WOMAN) was watching me play and she said "Wow that not only looks gorgeous but that looks like fun! And I'm not a gamer!".
No I'm not making that up lol.
The controls were a little weird at first but it was because they were calibrated to be "loose" so I had to change the settings a bit but after I got that down the game played GREAT.
I have to say the voice acting . . . doesn't bother me. I loved walking up to people and hearing "You're Samus right? It's an honor to meet you!" or "Welcome to the galactic fediration *insert ship number here* Samus.".
Doing simple controls in the ship felt geek-ily cool and . . . well I just can't wait to play this game tomorrow.
I got goose bumps when the Samus fanfare blasted through the Gamestop and grabbed peoples attention. It was a lot of fun!
Also the intro was really cinematic (simple but cinematic) and really sucks you into the game.
I simply cannot wait for tomorrow!!!
Post by: Caliban on August 27, 2007, 12:14:41 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2007, 12:31:10 PM
"Seem like," more like "Is"... =3
Post by: cubist on August 27, 2007, 12:51:46 PM
In my opinion though, I've completed the first 2 and found the treasure hunting enjoyable and not too much of hinderance. I enjoyed the first 2 Metroid Primes so much that I didn't mind the treasure hunt because Samus was fully upgraded to where kicking ass was easy. Now, if I had to backtrack through levels without any rewarded upgrades, it can become annoying (e.g., DK 64 & Banjo Kazooie).
Post by: Mashiro on August 27, 2007, 01:01:56 PM
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"The game was running at what seems like 60 FPS"
"Seem like," more like "Is"... =3
Yeah I figured it was but I wasn't positive (on a store display and all and only playing 15 mins woth lol). Silky smooth though, absolute bliss.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 27, 2007, 01:02:51 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2007, 01:14:41 PM
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The Good
* Fantastic environmental puzzles are among the best of the series
* Great boss fights require you to use every game mechanic at your disposal
* Atmospheric levels are a pleasure to explore
* Various gameplay elements mesh nicely into a seamless whole.
The Bad
* Some of the contextual actions don't control all that well
* Streamlined controls make things a little too easy and a little less adventurous
* Doesn't do much different than the previous two Metroid Prime games.
Gamespot says good controls are a bad thing...Oh god, it blows the mind! (They gave the game an 8.5 by the way, laugh all day and around the block...)
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 27, 2007, 01:26:37 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 27, 2007, 01:33:47 PM
I have to wait until I take a test in the morning before I can head out and check to see if it's in my stores, which it probably won't be... ;_;
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 27, 2007, 02:08:03 PM
QuoteAnd GP wants to call bias on Nintendo Power's 10/10....
Originally posted by: Mashiro
Absolutely awesome. I had a smile on my face the whole time. The guy working the register said "Yeah . . . I see you smiling. haha everyone who tries this game smiles, they just can't help it". I simply replied with "this is awesome".
GP, I know totally know where you're coming from, but I think you're gonna have to conceded this one.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 02:17:06 PM
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Originally posted by: 31 FlavasQuoteAnd GP wants to call bias on Nintendo Power's 10/10....
Originally posted by: Mashiro
Absolutely awesome. I had a smile on my face the whole time. The guy working the register said "Yeah . . . I see you smiling. haha everyone who tries this game smiles, they just can't help it". I simply replied with "this is awesome".
GP, I know totally know where you're coming from, but I think you're gonna have to conceded this one.
I don't need to concede anything because so far NP's review is the most positive one! I said take off a .5 or 1 pt and low and behold that is pretty much what it is!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 02:41:43 PM
Post by: Jensen on August 27, 2007, 03:08:10 PM
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Originally posted by: UERD
Also, from 1Up:Quote
Corruption contains some of the best visuals in gaming, period. It can't always mask the hardware's technical limitations (pixelation every time you're up close waiting for a door to open, for example), but in most cases the lighting, attention to detail, and wonderfully cohesive and imaginative art direction more than make up for the Wii's lack of raw horsepower. Put it this way: I found myself wandering through rooms two or three times just to look at them. How many games on any system can you say that about?
If this doesn't call bulls*** on developers who snub the Wii because its hardware can't 'fulfill their creative vision' or whatever, nothing will. Five billion shades of brown =/= artistic talent and vision.
Here's a quote from Matt Casamassina's review:
"So many first-person shooters on more powerful consoles feature very high-resolution textures, but do nothing with level geometry. Prime 3's levels curve and are drowned in jutting architecture that seems different at every turn."
This is one of the things that impressed me about the first Metroid Prime game. Most FPSs are made in a level editor that isn't well suited for more than basic modeling. You mostly add/subtract simple primitives to the world. Then you can add more complex prefabs, that have been made in a 3D program, onto the simpler level geometry.
With the MP games, all of the modeling is done in one pass in a 3d program. There is very little geometry that is reused. The Chozo Ruins area was the most impressive to me. I really liked the trees growing out of and weathering walls.
I just finish playing through Bioshock on my computer, and while the surfaces were nicely done and the general design was quite good, it just didn't match MP in the polygonal modeling of the world.
There are some games that do need more powerful hardware. Part of the reason MP can have so much detail is because of the air-lock system... you couldn't really do that with a game like Bioshock, much less for a game like Crysis.
Post by: UERD on August 27, 2007, 04:43:53 PM
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Gamespot says good controls are a bad thing
But the more you play with it, the harder it gets! (By the way, great job, Sega, appealing to the 10-to-12 demographic. Doesn't it feel good to be radical?)
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There are some games that do need more powerful hardware. Part of the reason MP can have so much detail is because of the air-lock system... you couldn't really do that with a game like Bioshock, much less for a game like Crysis.
That's definitely true, and the Wii is not some sort of be-all end-all of hardware. But a large number of the developers who are complaining about the Wii not being able to do 'epic' are just not trying hard enough.
Yes, there are a lot of developers who utilize each generations' worth of improved hardware to create more compelling experiences that simply weren't possible in the past. But there are also a lot of talentless hacks who try to cover their lack of creative vision through the use of improved technical tricks. In the hands of a competent developer, there is a lot more potential within the console than most developers are willing to let on.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 04:47:48 PM
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Originally posted by: UERD
But there are also a lot of talentless hacks who try to cover their lack of creative vision through the use of improved technical tricks. .
Thankfully Midway doesn't do this!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 04:47:48 PM
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Originally posted by: UERD
But there are also a lot of talentless hacks who try to cover their lack of creative vision through the use of improved technical tricks. .
Thankfully Midway doesn't do this!
Post by: Jensen on August 27, 2007, 05:31:42 PM
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That's definitely true, and the Wii is not some sort of be-all end-all of hardware. But a large number of the developers who are complaining about the Wii not being able to do 'epic' are just not trying hard enough.
Yes, there are a lot of developers who utilize each generations' worth of improved hardware to create more compelling experiences that simply weren't possible in the past. But there are also a lot of talentless hacks who try to cover their lack of creative vision through the use of improved technical tricks. In the hands of a competent developer, there is a lot more potential within the console than most developers are willing to let on.
Did developers know ahead of time how powerful the Wii would be? Most of them had "next-gen" games in development before the "next-gen" consoles were announced. Especially PC developers. How would they know that the Wii would be so underpowered compared to XBOX360/PS3/PC? Nintendo is the odd system out. You can't really develop a game for it simultaneously with another platform. And if you develop just for the Wii, you have some tough competition from Nintendo.
Post by: Kairon on August 27, 2007, 05:40:10 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 27, 2007, 05:42:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
This is such an exciting generation!
Yeah if only we didn't have Alien Syndrome or Far Cry Vengeance it would be perfect in its excitement.
Post by: Kairon on August 27, 2007, 05:47:41 PM
Post by: Galford on August 27, 2007, 05:53:58 PM
WTF is Matt talking about. Has Matt ever used modeling tools before?
This comment has my wondering what the hell he is talking about.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 27, 2007, 07:10:13 PM
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Post by: Kairon on August 27, 2007, 08:28:16 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 28, 2007, 12:40:38 AM
I'll post back in this thread once I beat the game. Everyone else getting the game today: ENJOY!
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 02:01:02 AM
Post by: decoyman on August 28, 2007, 04:28:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
OMG GOT IT GONNA GO PLAY IT NOW
I'm forcing myself to wait until I finish this freelance project I'm working on... and it's going to be at least another couple of weeks
I'm hoping it will be good motivation to move faster on the project... but will I even survive the ordeal???
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 04:39:07 AM
Seriously, after an hour and a half put into the game, it is absolutely brilliant...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 04:48:06 AM
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Post by: decoyman on August 28, 2007, 06:16:32 AM
Post by: Jensen on August 28, 2007, 07:26:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Galford
Not to add fuel to the fire, but "air lock system"??
WTF is Matt talking about. Has Matt ever used modeling tools before?
This comment has my wondering what the hell he is talking about.
Matt only said the two sentances between the quotation marks, I said the rest.
I've used dedicated modeling tools and map editors. All I'm saying is that I can tell when a game designer has used both, or just a standard 3d modeling tool. I am praising MP because none of the geometry looks like it was designed in with the restrictive tools of a level editor.
Air lock system: Because each area is behind an automatic door, you can load the world in parts, as you get to them, instead of loading one huge area all at once. This lets you have more detail in each area then a game that might have no doors between different areas.
Post by: King of Twitch on August 28, 2007, 07:39:38 AM
Post by: mantidor on August 28, 2007, 08:51:02 AM
I'm just going to pretend I'm european for now instead of simply broke.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 09:05:02 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
bah I hate you all...
I'm just going to pretend I'm european for now instead of simply broke.
It's ok, you would be extremely dissapointed.
Post by: stevey on August 28, 2007, 09:50:29 AM
oh yeah, METROID GET!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 09:51:31 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Damn gamestop was right, it was completely sold out.... there. Down the street, even after everyone in the line before me bought mp3, they still have ton of copies left. Just one more reason to hate gamestop:|
oh yeah, METROID GET!
Haha, I've had that happen before with a gamestop.
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 09:51:58 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 28, 2007, 10:01:20 AM
Post by: D_MaN87 on August 28, 2007, 10:57:03 AM
I can't find anyone else with the same problem online. Its impossible that I'm the only one out of everyone who bought the game to be having problems.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 10:59:51 AM
Post by: D_MaN87 on August 28, 2007, 11:01:21 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 11:10:47 AM
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Originally posted by: D_MaN87
Well I know the policy there is that a new game cannot be exchanged. But I'm not sure, if I explain the situation they might do it.
Are you sure that policy just doesn't mean you can't exchange an opened game for a different game? Seems odd because every store I've been to allow you to exchange an opened game for the exact same game.
Post by: D_MaN87 on August 28, 2007, 11:12:27 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 11:42:51 AM
I've gotten to the second planet, Bryyo, and I just fought Rundas...Holy crap it's one of my favorite battles in the entirety of the Metroid series...The music adds a LOT to it, it's just bloody epic...And I like how Samus shows absolutely no emotion after killing him...It's absolutely amazing how much her tough character shows through without her actually talking...
Post by: cubist on August 28, 2007, 12:20:51 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 28, 2007, 01:36:22 PM
I've been enjoying the game less than I normally would be because my sister is sick and laying in the den. Sadly she can't take a hint to goto her room so most of the time I played with the volume barely loud enough to hear the blasts.
::sigh::
so I'm waiting till later to play some more.
One thing that annoys the crap outta me (and maybe it's just the wiimote I was using), my sensor bar like doesn't pick up the wiimote when I point upwards too high.
Aside from that it's a solid game experience so far =)
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 01:38:58 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 28, 2007, 02:03:12 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 02:10:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
I'm using standard right now after trying each for a bit. Advanced bobbles around a little too much for my liking.
Mashiro is not a hardcore gamer CONFIRMED
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 02:13:51 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 02:21:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
I'm using standard right now after trying each for a bit. Advanced bobbles around a little too much for my liking.
You'll want the extra sensitivity in some upcoming fights...
Post by: Mashiro on August 28, 2007, 02:48:46 PM
Also, I'm not a hardcore gamer
If I was I would have a 360 or PS3 but I do not. Casual for life haha.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 28, 2007, 02:53:23 PM
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Originally posted by: D_MaN87
Anyone else having a problem where MP3 just will not work? It's been a nightmare. I picked up my copy from my work today, and come home and did the system update. Then when it read in the disc channel, I go to start the game, and i got a "disc read error". Every other game I own works but this one. I called nintendo and they told me to send it to them for repair. Its cool that they are paying for all the shipping, but I'll be without my copy for 2-3 weeks.!
I got a data corruption message after the game installed the required update and tried to play the game, but after I reset my Wii and started it up again the game works fine.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 28, 2007, 03:06:01 PM
(now I just have to find time to play it)
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 03:44:32 PM
Post by: Armak88 on August 28, 2007, 04:34:50 PM
Post by: Stogi on August 28, 2007, 05:05:09 PM
*Tries to give someone a high five, but is quickly shut down by rolling eyes*
Anyway, I left my apartment (and city) for a week to help my pops with some work. I forced myself to leave my Wii back home (which is more than an hour away) so I wouldn't get the temptation to buy MP3 and play on anything less but my new projector. I thought it would be a good idea......but now, I'm feeling real animosity towards myself
and Bill's nasty, but some how appealing impressions ain't helpin'.Imma go cry now.
*bangs head against wall*
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 05:27:56 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 28, 2007, 05:48:51 PM
I did get up to the point where it's one month later and you goto your first planet. The dialogue with the Aura Unit was awesome just for the fact that the Super Metroid music was playing during the discussion <3 <3 <3. It's quite weird to be given instructions by an AU (which is pretty much what Mother Brain is, I think).
I have to say, I am actually taking a liking to having more hunters, more humans and actual civilization around Samus. I thought I would hate it but it actually is kind of refreshing.
One thing I haven't taken a liking to is the PED suit it is ugly as sin =/.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 05:59:19 PM
As I said, Advanced controls nips that issue in the butt!
Post by: Mashiro on August 28, 2007, 06:21:56 PM
It's an issue with the Wiimote and my sensor bar. For some reason if I tilt the wiimote too high it just stops sending a signal to the sensor bar. It's weird since this is the first game this has happened with.
Post by: that Baby guy on August 28, 2007, 06:25:45 PM
Post by: Stogi on August 28, 2007, 06:28:35 PM
Or playing in a room that does not have a lot of sunlight?
Post by: Mashiro on August 28, 2007, 06:29:52 PM
I think moving the sensor bar will probably help, I'll try it on top of the TV tomorrow when I get home from work.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 06:34:00 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Well I was playing an hour ago (it's pitch black out) and I only had one light on in the room.
I think moving the sensor bar will probably help, I'll try it on top of the TV tomorrow when I get home from work.
Having the sensor bar in the bathroom tends to hurt the accuracy of the Wiimote when you are playing MP3 in the living room..
Post by: Ian Sane on August 28, 2007, 07:23:44 PM
So far I really like the game though I haven't gotten very far yet. After playing WiiSports it's so refreshing to play a game so clearly designed for gamers. When the detail is such that you use the remote to enter codes in keypads you know they're not worried about confusing newcombers or not being accessible enough. There's no inability to pick more than three innings in baseball here.
Though I'm really struggling with the controls. They seem very FIRST PERSON SHOOTERY. I really liked Metroid Prime's controls and I defended them against all the close-minded idiots who couldn't accept a game viewed from a first person to not control like a routine FPS. So it bothers me that in the end the jerks who badmouthed the first game and didn't even buy the second one are getting their way, again. With Nintendo these days if it isn't non-gamers before gamers it's non-fans before fans. Though now I know how those that really liked Wind Waker's graphics must have felt when Twilight Princess was revealed. Back then I was the close-minded jerk. How frustrating it is to be punished for loyality.
It might just be my inexperience with the remote since I only got a Wii a little over a week ago. But right now I'm just craving a Gamecube controller. Even little things like accessing the map and switching visors is a pain in the butt compared to how easy it was on the Gamecube. When you have to use the freaking 1 button I'd say the limitations of the controller are starting to show.
Still looking forward to playing again tomorrow, though. Retro Studios is just so talented. I can't wait to see what they can do outside of Metroid.
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 28, 2007, 07:50:11 PM
QuoteReally, punished for loyalty? Twilight Princess was punishment? But according to the quote unquote "majority" were Wind Waker's graphics not also betrayal / punishment? (Your self referential "close-minded jerk" comments leads me to believe you were amoung the "majority")
Originally posted by: Ian Sane[...]
With Nintendo these days if it isn't non-gamers before gamers it's non-fans before fans. Though now I know how those that really liked Wind Waker's graphics must have felt when Twilight Princess was revealed. Back then I was the close-minded jerk. How frustrating it is to be punished for loyality.
I don't get how when both games which are either a 9.5 or 10 (depending on who you talk to), both games are considered "punishment". This punishment / reward system of yours is is very confusing.
Post by: Caliban on August 28, 2007, 07:55:45 PM
I've already got 1000 kills on my first hour lol, yeah I spent a little bit of time just to get those kills and yet I could have continued doing it I decided that I already had enough (don't know if this constitutes as spoiler but will put it anyway just in case) friend vouchers to send off, I'm eagerly waiting to receive some friend vouchers too so I can get some friend credits to help me unlock stuff...Retro, job well done on your own version of achievement points.
One thing that I really liked was the voices for the other characters, and yet samus is kept silent as is tradition...which is something they could do in the Zelda series, keep Link silent, but other characters will have voice.
By the way, is there any way to turn off the subtitles?
Advanced controls feel incredibly smooth, it's quite astonishing really.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 28, 2007, 08:30:14 PM
The first boss puts TP's Ganondorf to shame.
Post by: Kairon on August 28, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
I played the very first mission, and I'm absolutely loving the controls. I just watched my roommate play about 4 hours straight of the game, and the game is looking astoundingly exciting, even though the back-tracking-world-traversing-Metroid malaise is just starting to set in that may be our tiredness and all the lights being off.
Keep with it Ian! I can't wait to read more impressions from you! ... and Mantidor. You hate this game right? That makes you interesting!
Post by: Ghisy on August 28, 2007, 09:17:26 PM
So I should have some Metroid fun in about 10 days...
Post by: King of Twitch on August 28, 2007, 09:23:07 PM
. What a messed up game.Backtracking has been replaced with halo 2 and return of the jedi
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 28, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
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Originally posted by: MJRx9000
What was the first boss, Beserker Lord?. My save file says I'm 3h:35min into it but I'm sure it's closer to 6 (lots of scanning and wandering around) and I think I triggered a couple death-by-glitches in the obligatory escape scene
Backtracking has been replaced with halo 2 and return of the jedi
Comparing Metroid Prime 3 to Halo 2 is the ULTIMATE sin, prepare to be burned by anti-shark flamethrower, flamethrowers.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 28, 2007, 10:53:29 PM
Punished by playing awesome games? As a rabid fan of both Metroid Prime and Wind Waker, I thoroughly enjoyed Twilight Princess and thoroughly enjoying Metroid Prime 3 so far...If this is punishment, give me some more!
Post by: Infernal Monkey on August 28, 2007, 10:57:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Though I'm really struggling with the controls. They seem very FIRST PERSON SHOOTERY. I really liked Metroid Prime's controls and I defended them against all the close-minded idiots who couldn't accept a game viewed from a first person to not control like a routine FPS. So it bothers me that in the end the jerks who badmouthed the first game and didn't even buy the second one are getting their way, again. With Nintendo these days if it isn't non-gamers before gamers it's non-fans before fans. Though now I know how those that really liked Wind Waker's graphics must have felt when Twilight Princess was revealed. Back then I was the close-minded jerk. How frustrating it is to be punished for loyality.
lol, Ian complaining about people who mindlessly complain about games. How ironic.
Post by: Mashiro on August 29, 2007, 12:43:12 AM
Post by: D_MaN87 on August 29, 2007, 01:14:09 AM
Post by: Stogi on August 29, 2007, 01:18:11 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
My roommate says a resounding NO THANK YOU.
I played the very first mission, and I'm absolutely loving the controls. I just watched my roommate play about 4 hours straight of the game, and the game is looking astoundingly exciting, even though the back-tracking-world-traversing-Metroid malaise is just starting to set in that may be our tiredness and all the lights being off.
Keep with it Ian! I can't wait to read more impressions from you! ... and Mantidor. You hate this game right? That makes you interesting!
I'm surprised your so enthusiastic about a game that "isn't for you."
How's your brother doing? :P
Post by: Kenology on August 29, 2007, 01:40:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Oh yeah, I need my NWR buddies to share their Wii codes whenever...I'll put mine up tomorrow... =3
Yeah, me too. I just got my Wii online for the first time yesterday... (yes, I'm a total lame). Anyways, add me people - 6761 9883 7072 2526. Let me know you added me and provide your code so I can add you!
Post by: ShyGuy on August 29, 2007, 02:21:05 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 29, 2007, 03:19:11 AM
Also I don't really find a difference between the three sensitivity options, but I did have to turn the free aim off because it was really making the first group battle in the beginning of the game nearly impossible because my lock on weren't actually locking on. It pretended I was locking on, but my shots fired were going elsewhere. Once I turned free aim off, it was smooth sailing from there (sort of, still have to get used to dual control use)
Also, I miss the ability to lock on and attack enemies that I can see. I mean in the above battle where you have to kill the pirates to get back the power cell I can be on the ground floor and see a pirate up above in the open, but I can't lock on, or shot it even though it's right there. No wall seems to be between us. Oh well, I will get used to it, it just seems that for every so called addition, there is something that was taken out.
I died once so far, on the first boss, but that was because of not falling into it's pattern. Second go around and it all went okay. But I will say that targeting can sometimes be a little off. I wish they had made the lock on signal either brighter, or larger so that I can tell for sure that I am locked on to what I want to be locked on to.
Shooting in this game is better because of being able to shoot where I want by moving my hand, where as in the other two it was done with the control stick.
Also, my game is already set up to share my Metroid info. =D I just can't tell what names are black or grey. Nintendo and Retro sorta chose poor color coordinations in certain parts. Also, why isn't there any reference to this in the manual?
Post by: Nick DiMola on August 29, 2007, 03:57:47 AM
Unfortunately this game has made me hate Red Steel that much more... even worse is that it's only worth $20 at this point so there is no reason to sell it.
Post by: mantidor on August 29, 2007, 04:45:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
My roommate says a resounding NO THANK YOU.
I played the very first mission, and I'm absolutely loving the controls. I just watched my roommate play about 4 hours straight of the game, and the game is looking astoundingly exciting, even though the back-tracking-world-traversing-Metroid malaise is just starting to set in that may be our tiredness and all the lights being off.
Keep with it Ian! I can't wait to read more impressions from you! ... and Mantidor. You hate this game right? That makes you interesting!
I don't hate it
. I've said I'm dissapointed at some things, but my expectations were in the wrong place. There also the issue that I have to sell a kidney not really to get the money for the console.Since people have played the game long enough, I now can ask: how much "living things" are there in the game? I mean weird bugs, giant mutated plants and the like, and how their numbers compare to the robots and space pirates?
second, how much does the planet mechanic affect the non-linearity of the gameplay? I wouldn't like to hear specific details, just to know if it makes it more or less linear than previous prime games.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 04:59:49 AM
There's plenty of native wildlife, just like in the last games, so there's no need to worry...But remember that the mix between nature and technology is an important theme of the series...
"second, how much does the planet mechanic affect the non-linearity of the gameplay? I wouldn't like to hear specific details, just to know if it makes it more or less linear than previous prime games."
In terms of story, you are basically led to specific planets, but when you get there is where the multiple paths open up...You can even get lost if you don't listen to the hints on where to go... =)
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on August 29, 2007, 05:33:25 AM
Post by: Caliban on August 29, 2007, 05:35:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Jensen
I am praising MP because none of the geometry looks like it was designed in with the restrictive tools of a level editor.
All I can say is that there's alot of polygonal detail in this game, kudos to Retro.
Nitsu Niflheim, I've sent you a voucher just in case you were wondering with your present colour blindness.
Bill, I have you on my list, do you not have gone online or something? Your name isn't highlighted.
I've already unlocked the first 2 art galleries, if anything, Nintendo please do not ever think of selling Retro Studios to anyone, ever, because they will be very valuable when you finally release a high definition system.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 29, 2007, 05:59:51 AM
One thing I like is that I just spend a few minutes talking about the game with co-workers. One guy has a Wii and another one wants to get one. They wanted to know if the game was any good. I NEVER got to talk with co-workers about the Gamecube because no one had it and no one cared. It's so nice to talk about Metroid of all things with someone. The funny thing is they think it's cool that I own a Gamecube. It's like I'm extra cool because I was down with Nintendo before they were. Not only do I own Metroid Prime 3 but I actually played the other two Metroid Prime games and thus have extra "Metroid cred".
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 29, 2007, 06:08:58 AM
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Post by: ShyGuy on August 29, 2007, 07:51:55 AM
Post by: mantidor on August 29, 2007, 08:39:39 AM
kind of the same thing happened to me, my sugestion led my cousin, who only played the sims, to get Hotel Dusk, although she got Nintendogs first, and now I have a coworker with a DS, which is something that have never happened to me. He unfortunately has Metroid Hunters, I'll lend him Zero Mission in order to get him into real metroid games, and I'll have the chance to try that damn game without expending a dime!.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 09:43:40 AM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
Bill, I have you on my list, do you not have gone online or something? Your name isn't highlighted.
Oh whoops, I may not have activated it yet...It'll be on in an hour...
Post by: mantidor on August 29, 2007, 09:58:26 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 29, 2007, 10:48:26 AM
But seeing Samus shoot with her right and operate with her left hand, while it's all mapped to the Remote, is awkwurd.
Post by: King of Twitch on August 29, 2007, 11:08:34 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 29, 2007, 11:09:40 AM
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Originally posted by: CalibanQuote
Originally posted by: Jensen
I am praising MP because none of the geometry looks like it was designed in with the restrictive tools of a level editor.
All I can say is that there's alot of polygonal detail in this game, kudos to Retro.
Nitsu Niflheim, I've sent you a voucher just in case you were wondering with your present colour blindness.
Bill, I have you on my list, do you not have gone online or something? Your name isn't highlighted.
I've already unlocked the first 2 art galleries, if anything, Nintendo please do not ever think of selling Retro Studios to anyone, ever, because they will be very valuable when you finally release a high definition system.
Thank you, I sent you one in return. But even this it's still hard for me to tell if they are gray or black. They should have made it impossible to select a friend who hasn't set up their game yet, because I can select Infernal Monkey and it asks me if I want to send him a friend voucher, even though I know (as far as I know that is) that his Wii isn't working right, if at all.
I don't know why they chose black and dark gray as the two colors. I would have chosen a bright color, like red or blue for someone who is set up to send friend vouchers to, something to make it clear.Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 11:11:18 AM
Post by: mantidor on August 29, 2007, 11:16:08 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Yes. + and - can be switched.
But seeing Samus shoot with her right and operate with her left hand, while it's all mapped to the Remote, is awkwurd.
Well shooting is just aiming, while the use of levers, switches and the like benefits if its mapped for the left hand I guess... if there are no complains so far for that I assume shooting wouldn't be an issue.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 29, 2007, 11:31:33 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 29, 2007, 11:31:37 AM
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Also I don't really find a difference between the three sensitivity options, but I did have to turn the free aim off because it was really making the first group battle in the beginning of the game nearly impossible because my lock on weren't actually locking on. It pretended I was locking on, but my shots fired were going elsewhere. Once I turned free aim off, it was smooth sailing from there (sort of, still have to get used to dual control use)
The real difference between the "sensitivity" options is just how much you need to move the remote to turn. That's really it.
With Basic, in order to turn or look up or down, the cursor needs to "hit" the edge of the screen in order for anything to move. The turning/looking up and down speed is also slower with basic on.
With Standard, you change your view (looking around, up and down) without having to necessarily hit the edges of the screen. However, there is still some lee-way and if you keep the cursor more towards the center of the screen you won't change which way you are facing. The speed of looking around/turning is faster in this setting.
With Advanced, any movement with the Wiimote results in your view changing. Looking around/turning occurs fastest with this setting.
If there is one thing I wish it's that the advanced controls had a small area in the center where you could idle the wiimote without having the view change. That's really the only reason why I keep it on standard right now.
As for Free Aim Lock On it was working as intended =) What happens is, it will lock on your enemies but as you noted your blaster wasn't necessarily "fixed" on the target as it (the blaster) was shooting in other directions. Free Aim Lock On is really just allowing your character to "focus" on a point while you are still able to shoot anywhere. Where as when it is off it returns to the more traditional gameplay of the first two games (you lock on, your blaster focuses on the target no matter what and you can blast it).
One thing I enjoy about Free Aim Lock On is that it makes the game feel more "hectic" and more "real". I have to say the controls really make the Prime series that much better. It's far more satisfying to actually aim and shoot stuff than just lock on and blast away (for me at least).
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 29, 2007, 11:32:01 AM
Well, I can't wait to play this game on Hard Mode then once I unlock it. Prime 1 and 2's Hard Mode were amazing experiences that really tested your gaming skills, and with 3 having a good difficulty on Veteran, Hard should be quite a treat.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 29, 2007, 12:12:46 PM
But you forgot to turn off your Hints.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 12:33:25 PM
Aha Ian, all you did was complain about how poorly Ninty was doing with the Gamecube, so you could have easily had a "nice" conversation with them about it...
"One thing I enjoy about Free Aim Lock On is that it makes the game feel more "hectic" and more "real". I have to say the controls really make the Prime series that much better. It's far more satisfying to actually aim and shoot stuff than just lock on and blast away (for me at least)."
You'll NEED this in some boss battles...NEED IT...
Post by: Mashiro on August 29, 2007, 12:50:38 PM
(Wait need what? Free Aim Lock On on or off?)
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 12:51:02 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 29, 2007, 12:52:39 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 12:53:27 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 29, 2007, 01:14:18 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on August 29, 2007, 01:31:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
I like Echoes' difficulty.
And so do I. That's why I'm telling people that Prime 3's Veteran Mode, is about the same difficulty as Prime 2's Normal Mode. So others that are looking for a good difficulty will start on Veteran as well, while those who found Prime 2 to be too hard can start on Normal.
This way everyone will be happy when they first play the game.
Post by: Mashiro on August 29, 2007, 01:45:49 PM
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I didn't say you had it off you fiend...
Oh it seemed like . . . never mind haha my bad
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MP3 must not be that good if you guys have the time to babel about it!
It's very enjoyable but I like pacing myself. I played for a little while when I got home, now my parents and sister are all in the den where my Wii is so I don't feel like hijacking the TV and forcing them to watch. I'm doing daily quests in WoW and in an hour or so I'll go back to playing =)
So far I actually like the game more than Prime 1 which I didn't think I would I'm a little after the point where you get the Ice Beam. The boss battles so far have all been really cool (no pun intended) and unique and I look forward to the rest of the fights!.
I still detest the ship design used in the game (exterior) and the PED suit design. Why is it that the Samus essentials always end up looking bad in these new games . . .
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 02:00:49 PM
Post by: King of Twitch on August 29, 2007, 02:01:28 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 29, 2007, 02:24:01 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 29, 2007, 02:31:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
This game makes me wonder if Metroid Prime sucked in comparison. The pacing seems so much better here.
Kairon you have no right to comment on MP3 here since you never beat the other two Metroid Prime games!
Post by: Kairon on August 29, 2007, 02:54:14 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 29, 2007, 02:56:25 PM
YOU'RE BOTH BANNED
Light Suit is best so far
Post by: Mashiro on August 29, 2007, 02:58:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Your taste sucks... =3
Meh, come on you can't seriously say the PED suit looks cool and the new ship is better than the old =/
Also the pace is better in this game cause you hit the ground running. Not losing your power ups really helps move things along, you cut out a good portion of the "I'm weak lets find power ups while learning how to play" mechanics.
Post by: bustin98 on August 29, 2007, 04:44:32 PM
But I suck so far. I haven't saved a single marine yet. I might start over and try again...
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 04:50:58 PM
(Mashiro, do you Wiinets? I'll want your code...)
Post by: bustin98 on August 29, 2007, 05:31:59 PM
Also, I need a Mii for you Bill. I will send mine just be sure.
Post by: Mashiro on August 29, 2007, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: bustin98 on August 29, 2007, 05:40:03 PM
Also, Mashiro, have you published your Wii code yet?
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 29, 2007, 05:43:41 PM
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Originally posted by: bustin98
Hopefully I already have a friend voucher from you since you are on my list . . ..? Or could there be a glitch where if someone adds you as a friend then removes you from the list, they still remain on the other user's list? Hmmm.
Also, I need a Mii for you Bill. I will send mine just be sure.
Your name wasn't black on my list when I played this afternoon, I don't think... =O (I'll check tomorrow...)
Post by: Mashiro on August 29, 2007, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 29, 2007, 07:31:22 PM
I shot Ridley in the FACE!!
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 30, 2007, 01:41:51 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 30, 2007, 03:04:19 AM
I noticed a few people that I thought definitely would have been online but weren't. Like Bill...who I know has had the game longer than me.
I am going to strive to get as many vouchers and evenly send them out to all of you...I should have stayed in that first room with the endless supply of mites on the ship, it would have allowed me to rack up more kills and vouchers. I already stayed in there for 500 kills. Next spot in the game like that I am going for another 500 just from that location, perhaps more.
This post is really just a reminder for people to go into the options mode and check Wii24Connect feature is turned on.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on August 30, 2007, 03:57:43 AM
Also, on the control sensitivity, I have settled on Standard, it gives me the flexibility I like without being too sensitive. I may turn it to the advance setting when I need it, like I did with the boss fight that ShyGuy was talking about.
One bad point so far... in the part after that above mentioned boss fight... no on screen timer/counter is available, so people who can't hear or have to have the volume turned down or off, won't realize that they only have a set amount of time to get from point A to point B I don't know about later in the game, but while it's nice to have the voice talking, it would have been nice to have something on screen as well.
Post by: Caliban on August 30, 2007, 04:06:46 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2007, 04:26:00 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 30, 2007, 05:53:43 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 30, 2007, 07:46:18 AM
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Your taste sucks... =3
Meh, come on you can't seriously say the PED suit looks cool and the new ship is better than the old =/
Also the pace is better in this game cause you hit the ground running. Not losing your power ups really helps move things along, you cut out a good portion of the "I'm weak lets find power ups while learning how to play" mechanics.
While a bit ugly, I think the PED suit looks and is cool for fitting into the universe. Instead of the Galactic Federation having something especially tailored to Samus, they cobbled something together from their existing parts for the standard Galactic Federation troopers. It's way more realistic that way, that they used what they had and didn't waste time getting it to look good because they needed Samus back in action to kick some Space Pirate ass as soon as possible.
Also, I love that the one female bounty hunter calls Samus Sammy. I don't know why, I just think that that's great.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 08:10:44 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2007, 08:21:47 AM
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All I can say is WOW, this game is even better than Metroid Prime 3.
You know a game is good when it's better than itself.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on August 30, 2007, 08:44:37 AM
- Does Samus still move very slowly or did she pick up the pace?
- How is the backtracking? Is is tolerable or there's way too much of it?
I was so disappointed with Prime 1 that I now approach the Metroid series very carefully.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 09:02:12 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64
For those that have played the game, here are some questions:
- Does Samus still move very slowly or did she pick up the pace?
- How is the backtracking? Is is tolerable or there's way too much of it?
I was so disappointed with Prime 1 that I now approach the Metroid series very carefully.
-Samust seems to move at a similar pace, though the game pacing itself is much quicker than MP1
-So far I've seen minimal back tracking, it definately has been toned down
Post by: 31 Flavas on August 30, 2007, 09:13:35 AM
QuoteSo maybe the Nintendo Power score isn't so biased after all?
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
All I can say is WOW, this game is even better than Metroid Prime 1. It feels like the ultimate conclusion to a fantastic triliogy, they integrated the other NPCs perfectly and it has some of the coolest moments in recent memory. It does all this while still feeling like a Metroid game. Same ole gameplay my behind, this game stands out from MP1 and more than likely 2 in its focus.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 09:15:21 AM
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Originally posted by: 31 FlavasQuoteSo maybe the Nintendo Power score isn't so biased after all?
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
All I can say is WOW, this game is even better than Metroid Prime 1. It feels like the ultimate conclusion to a fantastic triliogy, they integrated the other NPCs perfectly and it has some of the coolest moments in recent memory. It does all this while still feeling like a Metroid game. Same ole gameplay my behind, this game stands out from MP1 and more than likely 2 in its focus.
Still biased compared to the majority of them out there! Regardless the game is breathtaking and surpasses all my expectations.
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2007, 09:24:08 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 09:26:32 AM
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Huh? Weren't you just complaining to me that there was so much anti-Nintendo bias in some gaming review sites? So are you saying that NP is biased in favor of Nintendo compared to these places which are biased against Nintendo?
Actually I was complaining that I think review sites may unintentionally dock Nintendo based, not off the competition, but previous NIntendo games. In fact I said there may not even be an anti-Nintendo bias, just a higher standard. You are the one that said they are anti-Nintendo you fibber face.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 09:34:58 AM
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2007, 09:35:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Huh? Weren't you just complaining to me that there was so much anti-Nintendo bias in some gaming review sites? So are you saying that NP is biased in favor of Nintendo compared to these places which are biased against Nintendo?
Actually I was complaining that I think review sites may unintentionally dock Nintendo based, not off the competition, but previous NIntendo games. In fact I said there may not even be an anti-Nintendo bias, just a higher standard. You are the one that said they are anti-Nintendo you fibber face.
Yeah, that's why I'M the FANBOI and YOU'RE the MS PLANT!
Post by: Caliban on August 30, 2007, 09:44:30 AM
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Is it just me or are the visuals really impressive in this? It seems to avoid pixelation even without 480p. Not to mention the fact that the game has some amazing draw distance with impressive scenary and yet maintains a consistent 60fps.
And did you notice that some floors actually have a good amount of geometrical detail unlike all other generic FPS games with their flat texture floors, it just shows how dedicated Retro Studios is, whatever game they come out with it is almost guaranteed to be excellent, these guys are freakin' awesome.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 11:00:05 AM
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Is it just me or are the visuals really impressive in this? It seems to avoid pixelation even without 480p. Not to mention the fact that the game has some amazing draw distance with impressive scenary and yet maintains a consistent 60fps.
And did you notice that some floors actually have a good amount of geometrical detail unlike all other generic FPS games with their flat texture floors, it just shows how dedicated Retro Studios is, whatever game they come out with it is almost guaranteed to be excellent, these guys are freakin' awesome.
I'll have to pay closer attention to that, really though the reviews really are making me upset. While I think Bioshock is a tremendous game, I think Metroid Prime 3 has far more style, not to mention a more diverse and polished experience. It just doesn't seem right that a game as polished, and virtually flawless as Metroid Prime 3 can't get better reviews. You don't see many games with quite the fine tuning this game has and an obvious love for designing it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 30, 2007, 12:18:36 PM
(Thanks for the Friend Voucher, sent one back! =D)
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 12:45:58 PM
(Oh yeah, is it just me or is using the grapple SOOO cool to use? You actually feel like your really pulling stuff out of the way)
Post by: Caterkiller on August 30, 2007, 01:11:31 PM
Post by: Caliban on August 30, 2007, 01:18:40 PM
IGN Insider had a head-to-head between Bioshock and Prime 3 and Bioshock won...??? For no good reason apparently, but then again this was the opinion of just one lame person, Nate Ahearn.
I would post the whole article here but I don't know if the NWR rules allow me too.
Edit: After reading the prior post I had to correct my mistake, I meant the 3rd planet when I wrote 2nd planet, sorry.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 02:15:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Caliban
IGN Insider had a head-to-head between Bioshock and Prime 3 and Bioshock won...??? For no good reason apparently, but then again this was the opinion of just one lame person, Nate Ahearn.
I would post the whole article here but I don't know if the NWR rules allow me too.
OMG, I Just read the head to head comparison, talk about comparing apples to radishes. There is no way BIoshock has better art style than Metroid Prime 3, the characters in MP3 have such an out of this world, unique look to them. Bioshocks character design is good, but it isn't what you would call super original.
Unique world? What? Bioshock's world is very familiar, it may be creative, but still it is quite familiar to our own, just darker. Metroid Prime 3 on the other hand has some very diverse landscapes, with visual touches to them that differentiate them from ANYTHING out there.
Immersion. While Bioshock has an engaging world, it isn't quite like having the Wiimote in your hand and interacting with the enviroment around you. Metroid Prime 3 may not have all the snazzy special effects but you feel like you are samus, heck you've felt like that since the first game, that form of immersion is tough to top especially since it is virtually like you are looking through her eyes.
Pushing the genre forward. Do I even need to comment on this? Metroid Prime 1-3 never were built around pushing the genre forward, instead they created a NEW genre, one that has yet to be replicated well. Bioshock, while a great, well polished game, still doesn't have much to differentiate it, gameplay wise from other shooters. Yeah it has slick visuals, neat moral choices, and psychological, heart pumping gameplay, but compared to Metroid Prime 3 (WHich as stated earlier I do not like doing but this guy at IGN forced me too!) it is super shallow, whether it be puzzles, diversity, boss fights, strategy, and art design.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 30, 2007, 02:29:25 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 02:38:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Did they mention bosses? Because BioShock has some of the worst "bosses" ever created...(All but the final boss are just normal enemies with more hit points...)
No mention of bosses whatsoever, they conveniently left that out. Surprised I didn't catch this part either, but you HAVE to read this.
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You can circle-strafe, lock onto enemies, and jump around all at the same time without losing your bearings. Are they the best FPS controls on any console? No, but they're just as good as the dual analog alternative and that's a huge achievement for the Wii.
So there you have it, MP3 doesn't have the best FPS controls on a console and they are only just as good as dual analog.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 30, 2007, 02:44:19 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 30, 2007, 03:04:41 PM
Post by: UERD on August 30, 2007, 03:08:03 PM
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No, but they're just as good as the dual analog alternative
Hi, I'm UERD. I like dual-analog controls for FPSes, sprinkling metal shards into my cornflakes, and holding it in until my groin feels like it's about to explode.
*waves*
Post by: Mashiro on August 30, 2007, 03:20:41 PM
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No, but they're just as good as the dual analog alternative
Hi, I'm UERD. I like dual-analog controls for FPSes, sprinkling metal shards into my cornflakes, and holding it in until my groin feels like it's about to explode.
*waves*
/threadwin
Post by: Caliban on August 30, 2007, 05:16:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
This is why I could never work professionally in the gaming journal industry. If I worked in the same place as that guy I would have to severely hurt him.
They call themselves (IGN) journalists, but I call them reporters, because that's all they do, report.
LOL at UERD's post.
So far the bosses in Prime have been fun, challenging, diverse, and quite imaginative.
I wish that Greg Miller, the ign guy that gave Lair a 4.9 and managed to not give it a score based on visuals alone, would have written this head-to-head.
Oh, and I can't wait for the next ign-wii podcast, if Peer Schneider is a participant then I'm sure he will say something about it, if not then Bozonorama or Cassamassina will, I hope.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 30, 2007, 05:28:32 PM
Post by: Shorty McNostril on August 30, 2007, 10:11:25 PM
Post by: Kairon on August 30, 2007, 10:16:24 PM
This is just hardcore gamers being afraid of change and entrenching themselves in "the way things have always been done" because they're too close-minded to think that anything could ever be wrong with their beloved hardcore gamer formula, or that there could ever be something better out there.
Grrrrrr
Post by: Sessha on August 31, 2007, 06:43:23 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on August 31, 2007, 09:27:39 AM
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You can circle-strafe, lock onto enemies, and jump around all at the same time without losing your bearings. Are they the best FPS controls on any console? No, but they're just as good as the dual analog alternative and that's a huge achievement for the Wii.
This quote has literally enraged me. I never want to read it again because every time I do I just want to punch something.
It is infuriating that somebody actually has the balls to say that the Metroid control scheme is "just as good as the dual analog alternative." Just as good as!?!?! Try better, by leaps and bounds. There's not even a comparison. What FPS controls are better? That's what I want to know. These controls are even better than the PC. ARGGHHHHH!!! What a retard, I hope somebody beats his stupid face in.
/rant
Post by: mantidor on August 31, 2007, 10:09:52 AM
Post by: Mashiro on August 31, 2007, 06:42:03 PM
I need your guys help:
Ok now then, I'm on the first planet (Bryao , spelling?) and well I'm up to the part right after the ship upgrade. I found my way to the ? room where I got the missile pack, read the lore and found that I couldn't proceed any further due to the blaster doors that were down over the door ways.
So . . . I couldn't figure out what to do. I left the room, killed everything, made it back to my ship . . . went back . . . nothing.
I read on GameFAQs that upon leaving the room I'm supposed to be attacked by space pirates and by defeating them the doors open up.
I killed every living thing in the area and nothing happens for me, the Wii keeps making noises as if it's loading something . . . and the doors to the room where I can't proceed from takes forever to load . . . could something be funky with the disc?
Anyone else have this issue? Any help would be appreciated.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2007, 06:56:03 PM
Post by: MarioAllStar on August 31, 2007, 06:57:23 PM
I found that the information that comes in via satellite/radio to misleading. After getting the ship upgrade, you are ready for the west-most area. Land at that dock then proceed.
Bill: He is on the eastern side of the planet, which must be done after the western side. Edit: Reverse that
Post by: Mashiro on August 31, 2007, 06:58:26 PM
Edit: wait now I am confused, I did go immediately to the west area right after I got the ship upgrade.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one hitting road blocks here. I'll be honest I got frustrated at the whole ship upgrade thing cause I couldn't figure out how to get my ship in the damned place, didn't realize I had to LOWER the damned missiles first lol.
Post by: MarioAllStar on August 31, 2007, 07:01:46 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2007, 07:04:59 PM
Post by: MarioAllStar on August 31, 2007, 07:08:58 PM
Mashiro is in the eastern room, where two space pirates should appear and open the side doors (which start a circular path around the two turrets). The problem is that he didn't destroy the western generator first. Edit: Switch east/west in the previous statement.
Post by: Mashiro on August 31, 2007, 07:10:17 PM
Post by: Mashiro on August 31, 2007, 07:13:33 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 31, 2007, 07:13:35 PM
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Originally posted by: MarioAllStar
There are one of those type of rooms (with the translucent red window) at the end of both the western and eastern paths. On the western one, the generator is unprotected and can be destroyed. On the eastern one, there are two turret guns protecting the generator, so those must first be destroyed.
Mashiro is in the eastern room, where two space pirates should appear and open the side doors (which start a circular path around the two turrets). The problem is that he didn't destroy the western generator first.
I see, I did it the RIGHT way so I never had that problem...
Post by: MarioAllStar on August 31, 2007, 07:14:06 PM
Edit: I was wrong. It is indeed in the west. Still, follow my advice about using your ship.
Post by: Mashiro on August 31, 2007, 08:02:27 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 31, 2007, 09:58:55 PM
So yeah, how do you unlock the things in the achievement gallery lists?
Post by: Kairon on September 01, 2007, 12:37:48 AM
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on September 01, 2007, 01:18:12 PM
What's the point of ship missile expansions? I've never seen a place to even use the ship missile except on required obstacles. Where can I use this in combat that would make expansions worthwhile?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 01, 2007, 01:23:08 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 01, 2007, 02:19:44 PM
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I've gotten to the second planet, Bryyo, and I just fought Rundas...Holy crap it's one of my favorite battles in the entirety of the Metroid series...The music adds a LOT to it, it's just bloody epic...And I like how Samus shows absolutely no emotion after killing him...It's absolutely amazing how much her tough character shows through without her actually talking...
I just got to this part today and I agree. I would have done this last night, but I'm glad I didn't play then because if I had, I wouldn't have enjoyed this fight. I was too tired to play last night, and it would have caused to be not play at my best and get annoyed very easily.
Sent FV's to Jonnyboy and MarioAllStar.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 01, 2007, 03:29:20 PM
I'm making good progress so far, 9:50 and 63% in (edit: now 11:30 and 79% =3), and on the third planet where the Space Pirate Command Center is...I loved the fight against Gandrayda...It's been a while since I was so satisfied in taking a boss down...Sammy this, BITCH!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 01, 2007, 07:57:27 PM
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Oh yes, GP, I have an answer to your question about the so-called "fetch quest"...Collecting some of them are absolutely inavoidable, and the one I've gone out of my way to find (by accident, mind you) was accompanied by a boss battle...So it's not really a fetch quest at all...
I'm making good progress so far, 9:50 and 63% in (edit: now 11:30 and 79% =3), and on the third planet where the Space Pirate Command Center is...I loved the fight against Gandrayda...It's been a while since I was so satisfied in taking a boss down...Sammy this, BITCH!
Well that is good to hear about the fetch quests.
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 01, 2007, 10:09:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'm making good progress so far, 9:50 and 63% in (edit: now 11:30 and 79% =3), and on the third planet where the Space Pirate Command Center is...I loved the fight against Gandrayda...It's been a while since I was so satisfied in taking a boss down...Sammy this, BITCH!
Yeah, I loved that fight as well, actually I've loved all the boss fights in this game. Seriously, this game has some the greatest boss fights EVER!!! The bosses have been quite challenging and actually require a lot of skill to beat. The final bosses of each planet are proof of that as they make sure you've mastered everything you've done up to that point in order to beat them.
Take in mind I've been playing the game on Veteran which has a great challenge to it. Anyone that's playing on Normal might have a different view since I've heard from others that Normal is pretty easy.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 02, 2007, 01:03:55 AM
Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2007, 01:12:49 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 02, 2007, 10:18:30 AM
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Well, when I start my own save file for real, I'm going to be playing it on Veteran difficulty. Watching my roommate and my brother play it on normal just looks like it's waaaaay too easy. Bosses hardly do any damage at all!
Yeah but why change the difficulty when you won't even beat it!
Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2007, 10:44:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Well, when I start my own save file for real, I'm going to be playing it on Veteran difficulty. Watching my roommate and my brother play it on normal just looks like it's waaaaay too easy. Bosses hardly do any damage at all!
Yeah but why change the difficulty when you won't even beat it!
You don't know that! ... Yet!
Post by: that Baby guy on September 02, 2007, 11:03:52 AM
Post by: Kairon on September 02, 2007, 11:07:19 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 02, 2007, 11:32:11 AM
Post by: chaingunsofdoom on September 02, 2007, 04:22:04 PM
Replaying on Veteran difficulty now... bosses are tougher. I'm not sure if they up damage needed but the damage taken is up (from 2 to 5 damage for a pitfall for example).
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Post by: Mashiro on September 02, 2007, 06:11:03 PM
I was thrilled with how challenging the boss battles have been so far! The atmosphere for the second world is also really cool and so far the game is keeping a really nice pace.
I couldn't be happier with the game so far and can't wait to see what's on the third planet.
Post by: Magik on September 03, 2007, 03:40:52 AM
Hypermode so far is pretty much what I expected. Samus is about 3-4 times weaker than she is on Normal (aka Easy Mode) while the enemies are a bit stronger but likes to go into Hypermode a lot more often.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2007, 08:07:49 AM
Retro upped the amount of damage enemies take so people will be more willing to use Hyper Mode...Plus, if you haven't noticed already, an enemy is more resistant to regular beams and weaker to Phazon shots when they are in Hyper Mode themselves...
Post by: Mashiro on September 03, 2007, 09:05:02 AM
Destroyed space station/craft is freaking AWESOME. I am now more curious about progressing through the game just to get energy cells and see what the hell is going on.
This game just gets better and better.
Oh and I am also happy about Samus' armor now. The upgrade makes the suit look much cooler so I guess their design for it wasn't all that bad afterall, I wonder if it continues to change? I'm sure it does . . .
Post by: Magik on September 03, 2007, 09:22:54 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"I'm playing on Hypermode and it just takes way to long to kill them especially when they go into Hyper Mode, which is quite often."
Retro upped the amount of damage enemies take so people will be more willing to use Hyper Mode...Plus, if you haven't noticed already, an enemy is more resistant to regular beams and weaker to Phazon shots when they are in Hyper Mode themselves...
Even though they are stronger when in Hyper Mode, at Hyper difficult, the shielded pirates take almost an entire tanks worth of Phazon to kill them. It's a bit overkill imo especially when there are multiple-armoured pirates in a room. Oh, and wait till you face Gandraya on Hyper difficulty, she requires a TON of shots and thats including unloading all your Phazon shots.[\SPOILER]
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 03, 2007, 09:57:27 AM
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Originally posted by: MagikQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"I'm playing on Hypermode and it just takes way to long to kill them especially when they go into Hyper Mode, which is quite often."
Retro upped the amount of damage enemies take so people will be more willing to use Hyper Mode...Plus, if you haven't noticed already, an enemy is more resistant to regular beams and weaker to Phazon shots when they are in Hyper Mode themselves...
Even though they are stronger when in Hyper Mode, at Hyper difficult, the shielded pirates take almost an entire tanks worth of Phazon to kill them. It's a bit overkill imo especially when there are multiple-armoured pirates in a room. Oh, and wait till you face Gandraya on Hyper difficulty, she requires a TON of shots and thats including unloading all your Phazon shots.[\SPOILER]
Oh God, that's what I'm fearing. That fight took me forever in Veteran mode, I knew it'd be a nightmare in Hyper mode.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2007, 10:28:52 AM
Post by: Kairon on September 03, 2007, 11:09:58 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2007, 11:52:55 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 03, 2007, 11:55:30 AM
I thought everyone knew Samus was a girl, guess it's still a surprise to some.
Post by: UERD on September 03, 2007, 12:09:41 PM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 03, 2007, 12:30:59 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2007, 01:05:29 PM
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Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
lol I like the grenades that the pirates throw that force you into hyper mode and you instantly have to expel all your Phazon. It's like "All right ya bastard, if you want me run around like a raving lunatic firing the most powerful weapon at my disposal as fast as I can, I will."
Haha, I don't think the Space Pirates realize that Samus is equipped with a suit that allows her to utilize the Phazon in that manner... ='D
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2007, 02:19:56 PM
Don't read unless you've seen the special 100% ending! I liked the close-up of Samus' face; Retro did a good job on it...Oh, and what the hell was with the "cliffhanger" ending, Retro!? Either they want to get back to Metroid as soon as possible or it may have to do with the elusive Metroid Dread, which they teased at in the Metroid containment area on the Pirate Homeworld!
Post by: Kairon on September 03, 2007, 02:36:39 PM
Post by: Magik on September 03, 2007, 02:39:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Luigi DudeQuote
Originally posted by: MagikQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
"I'm playing on Hypermode and it just takes way to long to kill them especially when they go into Hyper Mode, which is quite often."
Retro upped the amount of damage enemies take so people will be more willing to use Hyper Mode...Plus, if you haven't noticed already, an enemy is more resistant to regular beams and weaker to Phazon shots when they are in Hyper Mode themselves...
Even though they are stronger when in Hyper Mode, at Hyper difficult, the shielded pirates take almost an entire tanks worth of Phazon to kill them. It's a bit overkill imo especially when there are multiple-armoured pirates in a room. Oh, and wait till you face Gandraya on Hyper difficulty, she requires a TON of shots and thats including unloading all your Phazon shots.[\SPOILER]
Oh God, that's what I'm fearing. That fight took me forever in Veteran mode, I knew it'd be a nightmare in Hyper mode.
Hyper Mode plays exactly the same as Normal except for the fact that Samus is unbelievably weaker. The enemy AI is still pretty brain dead and the bosses still follow the same pattern. For instance, the battle with Gandraya went exactly the same as it did for me on Normal except that it took a LONG time to finish. My wrist was really tired.
In the end, Hyper Mode really comes down to how well you manage your energy tanks.
Post by: Kairon on September 03, 2007, 02:42:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Lol Bill funny story. While playing last night my sisters BF was watching me play the game a bit and one scene occurred where Samus had her helmet off and he was shocked "Oh what? You play as a girl!?".
I thought everyone knew Samus was a girl, guess it's still a surprise to some.
I just realized that the game's beginning gives it away.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2007, 02:51:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
Wow, that is a serious accomplishment Bill. Congrats! Was that your first play through?
Yep, but there's still a couple scans out there that I need to find... >=|
Another thing I found kinda odd (spoilers pertaining to the other Hunters)...The fact that both Ghor and Gandrayda talked their mouths off and went out of their way to belittle Samus...HOWEVER, Rundas not only kept his mouth shut, nary to speak a word, but also helped Samus by taking out the Space Pirates that confronted her...This makes me think that Rundas was not completely corrupted by the Phazon yet, and fought against Samus for the sole sake of fighting someone he considered a rival (as much as his bio denies him believing "rivals" exist)...Just something interesting to think about...
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2007, 01:37:47 PM
(I don't believe it is possible to unlock everything on one save file anyway...)
Post by: Mashiro on September 04, 2007, 02:54:40 PM
(I accidently disintegrated one of the lifeless space pirates when blasting open a door and I wasn't able to scan it haha, glad I can scan it on the next go.
Oh and I just got to the part where the phazon metroids get let out of their holding cells because you need to remove the power source . . . pure awesome. Love the music that kicks in when everything powers down.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 05, 2007, 10:48:42 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on September 05, 2007, 04:37:59 PM
Did I find an ingame bug? The charge beam doesn't attrack any health or missles when fighting Mogenar
Post by: MLS_man_64 on September 05, 2007, 06:08:46 PM
So why did the Admiral look happy that he thought Samus died?
Why was she reflecting on the hunters, happy or sad to see them go?
What was that ship supposed to be with the final ending scene?
Post by: Kairon on September 05, 2007, 06:11:22 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 05, 2007, 06:18:44 PM
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Originally posted by: MLS_man_64
So why did the Admiral look happy that he thought Samus died?
Why was she reflecting on the hunters, happy or sad to see them go?
What was that ship supposed to be with the final ending scene?
1) He knew that Samus was alive...
2) She was sad, obviously...It was to show that she did have a soft, human side to her...
3) I bet it has something to do with Metroid Dread...
Post by: ShyGuy on September 05, 2007, 06:30:14 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 05, 2007, 09:17:45 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 05, 2007, 11:43:26 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 06, 2007, 12:44:25 AM
It's SPOILER and /SPOILER with [ on the LEFT and ] on the RIGHT of the word.
Learn it. Use it. THANK YOU.
Post by: ShineGet887 on September 06, 2007, 06:34:54 AM
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2007, 06:38:32 AM
Post by: Stogi on September 06, 2007, 06:40:56 AM
I see your a TP fan. It is better than that game hands down.
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2007, 06:49:00 AM
... that may be true.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 06, 2007, 07:19:01 AM
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2007, 07:25:13 AM
Post by: Stogi on September 06, 2007, 08:04:57 AM
Super Metriod really makes you feel isolated. When I say isolated, I mean the only thing that's there to comfort you are nasty bugs and vicious bosses.
It's quite possible my favorite game.
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 06, 2007, 08:19:44 AM
The worlds are obviously not as interconnected as in previous Metroid games, but instead, they are layouted out in such a way for easy exploring, searching and mapping of each level. It is far easier in this game to go through every level and find hidden power ups and even see where you will have to go back and explore with new items than ever before. It truly is a nice change of pace for the series.
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2007, 08:23:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I was talking to my friend about just how great Metroid Prime 3 is in level design and layout.
The worlds are obviously not as interconnected as in previous Metroid games, but instead, they are layouted out in such a way for easy exploring, searching and mapping of each level. It is far easier in this game to go through every level and find hidden power ups and even see where you will have to go back and explore with new items than ever before. It truly is a nice change of pace for the series.
Careful, Metroid diehards will crucify us for statements like that. This is non-Metroid after all.
Post by: Ghisy on September 06, 2007, 10:23:10 AM
Now that's what I call a killer-app. (Sony, please take your notebook and write that down, just in case, you know...)
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2007, 11:00:54 AM
Awesome game and I can't wait to get off work and play some more!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 06, 2007, 11:27:18 AM
I'm glad as well. Veteran mode all the way. This is no killer app.
Post by: IceCold on September 06, 2007, 11:52:27 AM
QuoteYou know, from what I've heard of your brother, he's way more of a Nintendo fan than you..
Originally posted by: Kairon
I've NEVER actually enjoyed myself a lot in a Metroid game (though I haven't yet bought Super Metroid on the VC, and my brother hogged the game back in the day whenever we went to a friend's place), so the fact that I like Metroid Prime 3 says a lot.
Post by: Maverick on September 06, 2007, 12:29:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
"I'm glad I toughed out playing through Prime 2 in order to enjoy this to its fullest."
I'm glad as well. Veteran mode all the way. This is no killer app.
Ya threw me off with this one... :-\
Post by: JonLeung on September 06, 2007, 02:22:23 PM
I know if you copy a game to another slot, the Tokens are not retained. Probably the same goes for Friend Vouchers.
But how about copying the saves to an SD card, then backing that up on a computer? Then you give away all your Friend Vouchers from your save on the Wii. If you then copy your save back from your computer or even just from the SD card, really, would you then have your Friend Vouchers back that you can give away again?
Post by: Stogi on September 06, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteYou know, from what I've heard of your brother, he's way more of a Nintendo fan than you..
Originally posted by: Kairon
I've NEVER actually enjoyed myself a lot in a Metroid game (though I haven't yet bought Super Metroid on the VC, and my brother hogged the game back in the day whenever we went to a friend's place), so the fact that I like Metroid Prime 3 says a lot.
Oh don't worry IceCold. I've given Kairon alot of sh!t about that.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 06, 2007, 03:12:04 PM
Don't get me wrong, it's a brilliant game and one of the best I've ever played. I'm loving every minute of it. But rest assured I will play every difficulty level of this once I finish normal on 100%.
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2007, 04:50:26 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogiQuote
Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteYou know, from what I've heard of your brother, he's way more of a Nintendo fan than you..
Originally posted by: Kairon
I've NEVER actually enjoyed myself a lot in a Metroid game (though I haven't yet bought Super Metroid on the VC, and my brother hogged the game back in the day whenever we went to a friend's place), so the fact that I like Metroid Prime 3 says a lot.
Oh don't worry IceCold. I've given Kairon alot of sh!t about that.
Well, if you guys want him you'll have to tear him away from his Phoenix Wright forum first. I swear he's on Oekaki boards drawing big-breasted Mayas 24/7.
Post by: Stogi on September 06, 2007, 05:03:18 PM
Post by: ShineGet887 on September 06, 2007, 06:02:25 PM
Post by: Kairon on September 06, 2007, 08:54:28 PM
MY HAND HURTS!
I just beat the first real boss after the linear tutorial segment and i died like FOUR TIMES!!! My fingers are cramping up and I even had to switch and adjust to a new control scheme because my thumb just died on me after my second death!
Oh god Veteran mode makes these bosses hard! The adventure and exploration parts are all easy as pie so far, but that frickin' first boss! Oh god my hand...my hand... Is this what it's like to be a hardcore gamer?
Post by: decoyman on September 06, 2007, 08:58:15 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 06, 2007, 11:37:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
/cries
MY HAND HURTS!
I just beat the first real boss after the linear tutorial segment and i died like FOUR TIMES!!! My fingers are cramping up and I even had to switch and adjust to a new control scheme because my thumb just died on me after my second death!
Oh god Veteran mode makes these bosses hard! The adventure and exploration parts are all easy as pie so far, but that frickin' first boss! Oh god my hand...my hand... Is this what it's like to be a hardcore gamer?
Ahaha, if you had that much trouble with the first boss, I think it'd be best to start on Normal Mode... =)
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Originally posted by: decoyman
Hay guys, um, something's, like, wrong w/ Samus's face in the reflection, I think it must be lack of sleep, cuz she's been fighting a loooong time without taking a nap, and like when the people on Battlestar Galactica were on like hour 130 of awakeness, they were all popping narcotics and crap, but Samus is STRAIGHT-EDGE and such, so she doesn't do drugs, but man, she's looking pretty bad, dark circles and creepy lines (can't be worry lines, cuz she knows she's got things under control), but like she just must really need sleep bad, huh, cuz I'm pretty sure she's not a junkie... right? =o
Uh, you do realize that's because she's becoming more and more corrupted as the game progresses, right? =)
Post by: Mashiro on September 07, 2007, 12:43:04 AM
Post by: bustin98 on September 07, 2007, 03:46:45 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on September 07, 2007, 04:29:27 AM
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Originally posted by: bustin98
I just beat that golum I think you are talking about, the one with the 4 orbs. Man, what a bitch. I had 36 health left over at the end. And what was up with that final piece 'Press A to discharge phazon'. Oh, I'm so glad I was able to partake in that final battle /sarcasm. Anyway, that was a fun battle, just took forever.
I had 12 health left... =D I win lol.
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2007, 05:56:47 AM
Post by: decoyman on September 07, 2007, 06:03:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Uh, you do realize that's because she's becoming more and more corrupted as the game progresses, right? =)
Hmm, interesting theory, Bill, but I don't think that's it. I've decided that it must be that she's really tired. But this just amazes me at the amount of realism that Retro has put into this game! Showing her fatigue visually – this is the face of someone upon whom the future of the galaxy – nay, universe – rests!
Edit: Update – Samus is looking worse and worse. I do hope that she gets some rest soon, or I'm afraid of how bad she'll look next time she takes off her helmet
Get some rest, Samus, dang! You already have our respect, no need to overdo it... We need you!
Post by: Plugabugz on September 07, 2007, 07:17:21 AM
Post by: MLS_man_64 on September 07, 2007, 09:32:28 AM
Hope I didn't let the cat out of the bag (not that I could figure out what that stuff was supposed to mean at the end anyway), but I did try to make it so that people wouldn't have looked to answer my questions unless they had finished the game already.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 07, 2007, 10:12:07 AM
Post by: decoyman on September 07, 2007, 10:33:38 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 07, 2007, 12:00:03 PM
Rhundas killed me twice, which was a lesson in learning the damn controls. Helios inched out an win from me the first time. Hatcher Metroid kept knocking me off the platform (this was the first one I met) but I survived. Gandrayda and I were on equal footing, she got me down to 16 units of health, but I won when she jumped into my Screw Attack. Things have been tough simply because the damage ratio prevents me from overusing the luxury of Hypermode.
Post by: Magik on September 07, 2007, 12:43:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
/cries
MY HAND HURTS!
I just beat the first real boss after the linear tutorial segment and i died like FOUR TIMES!!! My fingers are cramping up and I even had to switch and adjust to a new control scheme because my thumb just died on me after my second death!
Oh god Veteran mode makes these bosses hard! The adventure and exploration parts are all easy as pie so far, but that frickin' first boss! Oh god my hand...my hand... Is this what it's like to be a hardcore gamer?
If Veteran Mode is too hard for you... avoid playing on Hyper Mode. You'll end up with arthritis.
Your hand hurting is not what its like to be a 'hardcore' gamer, it's what happens when the damage balance is off-balance.
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2007, 02:37:42 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on September 07, 2007, 07:17:16 PM
Anyone think Retro should make a Metroid Prime Hunters for Wii? They already have 3D models for the Hunters.
It wouldn't take long to develop, they could even have it out by this time next year. By then Nintendo will have the online kinks worked out and they'd probably even have a head-set accessory for voice chat to go with it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 07, 2007, 07:22:35 PM
NO...Retro is far too creative to be wasting time on a mindless shooter...
Post by: The Traveller on September 07, 2007, 07:27:12 PM
Post by: Michael8983 on September 07, 2007, 07:40:02 PM
Seems like they could split the team up, with most working on a new IP, and a few left to make the new Hunters.
Sure it would be a mindless shooter but, face it, they tend to sell.
Post by: mantidor on September 07, 2007, 07:56:18 PM
my console purchase has been validated finally!Quote
Originally posted by: Kairon
/cries
MY HAND HURTS!
This is the truth! Basically, its just using the remote in my left hand, my right thumb was the one used to do the rapid shooting, and its pretty good at it, but now my left thumb has to begin its training in rapid button mashing, and it hurts, at some point in the awesome boss "balrog" battle I had to hold the remote with both hands, the left aimed while the right did the shooting since my left thumb just couldn't stand it. I will stick to normal difficulty for a while.
So what is this friend's voucher thing? I'd look at the manual but I'm sure it will spoil the beams and everything, its annoying.
Oh, also, I unlocked the samus gallery, seeing such damn amazing art makes me wonder how was it possible for them to end up with that horrible model for her without the suit, the art just blows it away!
Post by: ShyGuy on September 07, 2007, 08:08:52 PM
I CAN NOT DO THE HALF PIPE ARRRRGGGGHHHH
Post by: stevey on September 08, 2007, 05:08:14 AM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
Skytown hates me because I don't play Tony Hawk.
I CAN NOT DO THE HALF PIPE ARRRRGGGGHHHH
I hated the half pipes in early prime games too. There easy once you figure out when to release the boost ball, just hold charge till you're at the bottom (or near it) of the ramp and then let samus fly (I might take a few times to build up the speed to get to the top)
Post by: bustin98 on September 08, 2007, 12:19:48 PM
Post by: decoyman on September 08, 2007, 07:32:14 PM
The (100% special) ending was really touching, actually, when Samus was sitting outside her ship with her helmet off, and thinking back on the other hunters. It made me wish there had been some way to save them somehow... like encase them in ice until she could destroy Phaaze, or something. Couple the beginning where you're fighting alongside the hunters and the ending with their logbook descriptions (I'm thinking of Ghor's specifically), and you get some pretty amazing character development, Metroid game or not. I cared about these other hunters at the end, and after the first battle with Rundas where he was impaled on that spike... I got legitimately bummed, because I knew it was going to go down the exact same way with the others. It would have been excellent incentive for a second play-through if it somehow became possible to save them on your second game... You hear me, Retro? RELEASE A PATCH TO DO THIS.
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Yay, finished the game at exactly 15 hours and 100% with no walkthrough help...A very satisfying final boss followed by a satisfactory ending...
Don't read unless you've seen the special 100% ending! I liked the close-up of Samus' face; Retro did a good job on it...Oh, and what the hell was with the "cliffhanger" ending, Retro!? Either they want to get back to Metroid as soon as possible or it may have to do with the elusive Metroid Dread, which they teased at in the Metroid containment area on the Pirate Homeworld!
Yeah, I was wondering what was up with the cliffhanger ending. Who's ship was that anyways? Definitely intriguing, and I'm totally glad I spent the time to get the 100% ending to see it... I assume we'll start hearing things again soon if Dread really is proceeding and "nearing completion."
Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed this game. The pacing and gameplay was just awesome, and all the additions (and there were actually a lot) made for a much improved game experience. For me, I found Echoes to be a little too similar to MP1. But MP3 found a great balance between new and old. The new (especially the grapple beam – love all the uses they found for it – and the improved character development, which includes the other hunters, voice-acting, having NPCs, etc.) was excellent, and I love the bonus features as well. I've been having lots of fun with the screen capture tool lately (as some of you may see:P), but the Mii bobblehead is awesome, as are the bumper stickers that show which games you've been playing.
Now, if I could just get some friend credits back (ahem), I could buy the rest of the stuff in the galleries
Love this game. Love it love it. If I weren't married, why I... well, I'll just leave it at that. A truly superb close to an excellent series (the Prime series, I mean), which – quite importantly – expanded the Metroid universe in a bunch of great ways. I came away from this more convinced than ever that Retro is full of seriously talented artists, programmers and directors. I can't wait to see what they get up to next, even if it means sending Retro Metroid on hiatus.
Post by: mantidor on September 08, 2007, 07:39:08 PM
Oh and I aquired a voucher for a "classy kill", that was neat, I didn't expect something like that.
Post by: Kairon on September 08, 2007, 07:50:58 PM
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Originally posted by: decoyman
Now, if I could just get some friend credits back (ahem), I could buy the rest of the stuff in the galleries
HEY! I'm WORKING ON IT!!!
I swear, just because my roommate started a file on my Wii just to send himself some friend vouchers...
I had 7 friend vouchers that I owed people before I even started the game! STOP PRESSURING ME! I'm almost done with all the stuff I owe people but geez gimme some time! ARGH! I'm playing veteran's mode on my first playthrough and I'm not uber like you people!
Post by: King of Twitch on September 08, 2007, 08:12:24 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on September 09, 2007, 07:31:22 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
I really don't get the time. The report the console gave in my first night playing the game told me I've been in MP3 for 4 hours, but in playtime the game only showed 2, and I didn't die in that time. Really weird.
You must've spent half your time in menus and reading scanner text.
Post by: mantidor on September 09, 2007, 08:15:59 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on September 09, 2007, 09:59:09 AM
Stupid scan visor.
Post by: UERD on September 09, 2007, 10:56:56 AM
Seriously, I just started playing and the game is sublime. The graphics look great and run quickly, and the controls actually work. People weren't exaggerating when they said that they'd redefine the FPS experience.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on September 09, 2007, 03:59:44 PM
So were these supposed to just be regular asteroids and not leviathan "seeds"?
If they were just disloged pieces, then how did they get disloged?
Was the planet throwing them since it was "alive"?
Why did they never cover what made the planet "alive"?
Why would it do this, because it is an evil planet?
Were there other phazon infected planets?
Will this be the last Phazon game in the Metroid series like Retro promised?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 09, 2007, 04:10:58 PM
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Originally posted by: MLS_man_64
Ok, so I have more story questions, in the first game, a phazon meteor crashed into Tallon IV. Then another into Aether.
So were these supposed to just be regular asteroids and not leviathan "seeds"?
If they were just disloged pieces, then how did they get disloged?
Was the planet throwing them since it was "alive"?
Why did they never cover what made the planet "alive"?
Why would it do this, because it is an evil planet?
Were there other phazon infected planets?
Will this be the last Phazon game in the Metroid series like Retro promised?
Just think of Phazon as a virus; they exist only to create more like them...I'm going to assume that the planet somehow managed to eject the meteors, because, you know, a virus isn't going to do much if it's not infecting anything...Of course, because they weren't guided like those Dark Samus was behind, they could only travel through space until they got caught in some unlucky planet's gravitational field...As for them not really explaining this, the last trip through Phaaze pretty much was all that was needed to show off just how alive the planet was, and it has nothing to do with "evil"...I mean, can you call a virus "evil"? Evil assumes a sense of morality...As for there being any other infected planets, I doubt we will ever know, considering Phazon is done for good!
Post by: MLS_man_64 on September 09, 2007, 04:52:18 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 09, 2007, 04:59:11 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 09, 2007, 06:02:40 PM
Can't wait to finish and play through it again. Just a few more energy cells to go!
Post by: decoyman on September 10, 2007, 01:16:44 AM
As for your other question, I think there's a simple answer. My theory is that since, after Phaaze was defeated and began to crumble to bits, the virus in Samus disappeared. Like it needed Phaaze itself to sustain it. I'm guessing if there were any other Phazon-corrupted planets in the universe, the same thing happened to them. Once the link was broken with Phaaze, the other corruptions died off as well. So, no, I don't think we'll ever see any more Phazon after the Prime series.
Post by: mantidor on September 10, 2007, 03:32:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
You should stop reading so much. Most of it's useless stuff like "HAY LOOK THE RAMP IS DOWN" and then your raise it and for the sake of thoroughness you have to scan it again just to have the game tell you "HAY THE RAMP IS UP NOW!"
Stupid scan visor.
But they took their time to type all that stuff, I have to read it!
Besides I know the thing I don't scan will surely be the one thats needed to get 100% the color code is so helpful here.
I already got into Valhalla and I'm taking my time as much as I can, I don't want this game to end
noticing there's a fetch quest coming made me actually happy
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 10, 2007, 04:39:23 AM
Even with the hints the auroras are giving you, the game is still content-packed enough to provide a lengthy experience and I've actually died to some of the bosses. A perfect example of a hardcore game done right.
I hope this will silence some of the whining about Nintendo not releasing enough hardcore content.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 05:08:11 AM
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I already got into Valhalla and I'm taking my time as much as I can, I don't want this game to end
Too bad you already have most of the "fetch quest items" by the time you actually need them...
Post by: mantidor on September 10, 2007, 05:15:21 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 05:17:06 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on September 10, 2007, 06:04:35 AM
I think that's what I like most about this game: every objective, every upgrade, every everything is behind either a boss or a puzzle, and sometimes both.
Post by: Stogi on September 10, 2007, 09:45:02 AM
I sometimes catch myself doing the "back + Z button" maneuver from RE4 when I want to turn around real fast.
Post by: Chiller on September 10, 2007, 10:16:50 AM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
You know what I just realized while playing through some more of this game?
I sometimes catch myself doing the "back + Z button" maneuver from RE4 when I want to turn around real fast.
You aren't alone. It would have been a nice addition to an already excellent control scheme.
Post by: Mashiro on September 10, 2007, 11:14:36 AM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
You know what I just realized while playing through some more of this game?
I sometimes catch myself doing the "back + Z button" maneuver from RE4 when I want to turn around real fast.
You aren't alone. It would have been a nice addition to an already excellent control scheme.
Definitely not alone on this one.
It was one of the first things I did "on instinct" so to speak and it's probably the only control function I can think of that MP3 lacks.
Post by: Caliban on September 10, 2007, 11:26:44 AM
I've read some speculation on this, but I'm not about to prove it before I finish Normal.
And yes, I did defeat over 1000 enemies within the first 30 to 60 minutes of the game, if not before.
I want to know because some of you have been saying that the boss battles from MP3 in Veteran are just as hard as the Normal bosses from MP2, but until now I have had quite a few challenging battles in Normal that would be equal or even more difficult than the MP2 boss battles, case in point the battle with Grandayda where I had quite a rough time and died many times before I won and had my thumb and surrounding areas hurting from too much shooting, although the battle with Omega Ridley was freakin' easy.
Post by: UERD on September 10, 2007, 11:58:25 AM
Post by: stevey on September 10, 2007, 12:59:42 PM
Also has any taken a look at Samus face when she at 50% corrupted, her face is all bloody on one side ='o what has retro done!
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 01:03:07 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 10, 2007, 01:12:09 PM
Also, Nintendo has said in regards to the whole metroid dread scan, that a 2D metroid is not currently in the works. However, that doesn't mean Dread isn't in the works but it made me sad that (at least right now) a 2D metroid isn't in the works.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 01:15:28 PM
Lesson: Just because Ninty says something isn't true doesn't mean it isn't...
Post by: Mashiro on September 10, 2007, 01:54:17 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2007, 02:57:18 PM
Post by: Adrock on September 10, 2007, 03:00:59 PM
Yup, I did the "back+Z" from RE4 too............ up until like midway through Elysia.
Post by: JonLeung on September 10, 2007, 03:18:48 PM
Gotta unlock some stuff now. I have a bunch of Tokens, obviously, but not Green. Hmmm, can I really just start a game on a new slot, get the 1000 Kills in that bug room, give away a bunch of vouchers, and then delete that slot and start again to get another easy bunch of vouchers? And repeat? Of course, what I need is someone willing to trade back the same amount...
Anyway, anyone want to trade Friend Vouchers?
Post by: Smoke39 on September 11, 2007, 04:02:50 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 11, 2007, 04:04:52 PM
(Though I am curious what they do . . .)
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 11, 2007, 04:05:11 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on September 11, 2007, 04:44:33 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 11, 2007, 05:24:28 PM
it should really have a name, maybe it has one but its impossible to pronounce with human vocal chords?I love the music, very eerie and atmospheric, music in past prime games have been awesome but there has not been a single eerie, crepy tune, not like this, I really love it. The epic, ominous music like the one in the other planet Bryyo it's also great, but when it comes to choirs and voices midi simply falls short, Nintendo, please just give it a try to some real music! It would rock.
Post by: Stogi on September 11, 2007, 05:38:01 PM
I mean real music is always a plus, but you must admit the opening music is great (even the music when you load up the game channel).
EDIT:
Is hyper mode worth playing? Do I simply just shoot more, or are enemies genuinely harder? If it's the first then I'll just skip it. My thumb is having a hard time keeping up on Veteran as it is.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2007, 01:07:21 AM
Post by: UERD on September 12, 2007, 02:28:27 AM
And does anyone want to trade green vouchers?
Post by: decoyman on September 12, 2007, 05:20:39 AM
Post by: JonLeung on September 12, 2007, 01:43:16 PM
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And does anyone want to trade green vouchers?
I absolutely would!
Message me! I've got 13 on hand and can start a new file to get more.
Post by: UERD on September 13, 2007, 03:26:14 PM
This is good news from a rational perspective; third parties can only be emboldened by the fact that a '1337 n1ch3 h4rdc0re' game is doing so well on the Wii.
Post by: Mashiro on September 13, 2007, 03:29:26 PM
Post by: bustin98 on September 13, 2007, 03:36:11 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 13, 2007, 03:39:05 PM
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This is the beginning of very good things for the Wii in regards to more traditional gaming . . . great job Prime 3. Retro's masterpiece deserves every sale. =)
I think Nintendo deserves an apology as well from people here that were freaking out about their advertising strategy stating that Nintendo was crapping all over Retro. One thing I am surprised about is that it has been so well, I expected good numbers, but 400k so quickly is pretty stunning, even outselling the much advertised, potential game of the year, Bioshock. Shows you that throwing money into the marketing black hole is only one part when it comes to selling games. Metroid's advertising was brilliant IMO, it wasn't a pricey hype train, but got the hardcore gamers through the Wii Channel, and may have sucked in the casuals through the gutsy commercial that emphasized interaction.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 13, 2007, 03:41:03 PM
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That sales data may have been for the week, but for the month Metroid sold under 300,000 while Bioshock almost got to 500,000. It might have been a different story if they were released on the same day.
Really those numbers only tell half the story, it would also be nice to know how much Nintendo put into advertising and game development compared to the money that was invested for Bioshock. I wouldn't be surprised if Metroid Prime 3 becomes more profitable in the long run.
Post by: IceCold on September 13, 2007, 03:43:27 PM
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Post by: bustin98 on September 13, 2007, 06:06:23 PM
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This is the beginning of very good things for the Wii in regards to more traditional gaming . . . great job Prime 3. Retro's masterpiece deserves every sale. =)
I think Nintendo deserves an apology as well from people here that were freaking out about their advertising strategy stating that Nintendo was crapping all over Retro. One thing I am surprised about is that it has been so well, I expected good numbers, but 400k so quickly is pretty stunning, even outselling the much advertised, potential game of the year, Bioshock. Shows you that throwing money into the marketing black hole is only one part when it comes to selling games. Metroid's advertising was brilliant IMO, it wasn't a pricey hype train, but got the hardcore gamers through the Wii Channel, and may have sucked in the casuals through the gutsy commercial that emphasized interaction.
I still hold that they could have done better. Managed correctly, this title could have easily sold half a mill in the first week. And we'll see how it plays out over the next couple of months. I'll give an apology if the title goes over a million before Christmas. Then I'll really feel like an ass if the title manages to sell 3 million by next Christmas. But until then, Nintendo is only concerned with making their money back and then some and could care less how much 'and then some' is.
Post by: IceCold on September 13, 2007, 06:36:04 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 13, 2007, 06:41:52 PM
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This is the beginning of very good things for the Wii in regards to more traditional gaming . . . great job Prime 3. Retro's masterpiece deserves every sale. =)
I think Nintendo deserves an apology as well from people here that were freaking out about their advertising strategy stating that Nintendo was crapping all over Retro. One thing I am surprised about is that it has been so well, I expected good numbers, but 400k so quickly is pretty stunning, even outselling the much advertised, potential game of the year, Bioshock. Shows you that throwing money into the marketing black hole is only one part when it comes to selling games. Metroid's advertising was brilliant IMO, it wasn't a pricey hype train, but got the hardcore gamers through the Wii Channel, and may have sucked in the casuals through the gutsy commercial that emphasized interaction.
I still hold that they could have done better. Managed correctly, this title could have easily sold half a mill in the first week. And we'll see how it plays out over the next couple of months. I'll give an apology if the title goes over a million before Christmas. Then I'll really feel like an ass if the title manages to sell 3 million by next Christmas. But until then, Nintendo is only concerned with making their money back and then some and could care less how much 'and then some' is.
That is some very flawed logic, Bioshock had a huge marketing campaign and it isn't even selling that well. Metroid Prime 1 and 2 were hyped and marketing like crazy yet they didn't sell that well. Half a million in one week for a game like Metroid Prime 3 is RELLY dreaming, especially when a Game of the Year contender with lots of marketing behind it can't even get there. Do you seriously think a non-mainstream game like MP3 can do much better? There is a point where the money invested is not worth it, so what you do is do the best you can with a lmited amount and I think Nintendo did that.
Post by: Kenology on September 14, 2007, 01:51:32 AM
Let's push MP3, recommend it to friends. Only about 565,000 more copies to go before it hits a million!
Post by: bustin98 on September 14, 2007, 04:25:37 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2007, 10:20:04 AM
Post by: UERD on September 14, 2007, 10:34:31 AM
How much more difficult is Hyper Mode?
Post by: Mashiro on September 14, 2007, 11:22:44 AM
Post by: UERD on September 14, 2007, 12:39:08 PM
The SkyTown lore implies that all the sentient robots have been corrupted by Phazon and are now working for the Space Pirates (at the time the game begins). If so:
- Why did the robots not attack the Aurora Unit?
- Why were the robots still hostile after the Aurora Unit was cured?
- Also, does the fact that Phazon is gone for good mean that SkyTown is back to normal?
Post by: stevey on September 14, 2007, 01:19:36 PM
Also is there a different 100% ending or is it the same as 75% special ending?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2007, 01:39:45 PM
Beating the final bosses on less than Veteran=FAIL!!!!
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 14, 2007, 02:22:40 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2007, 02:27:44 PM
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Stupid lore questions! (Spoilers ahead.)
The SkyTown lore implies that all the sentient robots have been corrupted by Phazon and are now working for the Space Pirates (at the time the game begins). If so:
- Why did the robots not attack the Aurora Unit?
- Why were the robots still hostile after the Aurora Unit was cured?
- Also, does the fact that Phazon is gone for good mean that SkyTown is back to normal?
1) Because the Aurora Unit was already corrupted...
2) Because the Aurora Unit can't do anything to alleviate the ailments of the corrupted droids...
3) Considering Dark Samus' control of the Phazon in Samus was lost, I'd assume that control was lost everywhere...
Post by: UERD on September 14, 2007, 02:37:12 PM
I am correct in saying that there were *no* native sentient beings on Bryyo when the GF discovered the planet, right?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2007, 02:40:44 PM
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Post by: Kairon on September 14, 2007, 02:53:28 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2007, 03:07:06 PM
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Yay, answers! Just one more.
I am correct in saying that there were *no* native sentient beings on Bryyo when the GF discovered the planet, right?
You are forgetting about the Primals (the Reptilicus enemies)...
Post by: UERD on September 14, 2007, 03:27:16 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2007, 04:09:47 PM
Plus you have to take into consideration that the Phazon drove them to even harsher levels of savagery...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 14, 2007, 06:45:16 PM
Should've been delayed to March '08.
Post by: Maverick on September 14, 2007, 07:25:25 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 14, 2007, 10:11:05 PM
Post by: UERD on September 15, 2007, 02:15:29 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 15, 2007, 12:06:23 PM
The final boss fight was also pretty easy . . .
I dunno kinda a let down of an ending for a trilogy. The phazon planet was pretty cool but losing your energy tanks and going into hyper mode the entire time was kinda weird and I didn't care for it too much.
I dunno towards the end I felt they could have done a lot more and having no link to Mother Brain at any point in time in the story was extremely lame.
I think maybe I was expecting too much but w/e. Super Metroid remains the best Metroid game to date for sure but Prime 3 was easily as good as Prime 1, if not slightly better thanks to the Wii controls.
Post by: UERD on September 15, 2007, 12:14:48 PM
How much harder is Hyper Mode than Normal? I want more yellow tokens.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 15, 2007, 12:41:28 PM
Pffff, not even close...Even Zero Mission is better than Super Metroid...
Post by: Mashiro on September 15, 2007, 01:19:10 PM
Post by: UERD on September 15, 2007, 02:05:27 PM
Also, memo to Federation demolition troopers: next time you infiltrate a heavily-guarded fortress, please wait until the bounty hunter with the PED Suit and the 15 energy tanks has cleared the room of pirates before storming in.
Post by: MLS_man_64 on September 15, 2007, 04:47:17 PM
I mean, after the seed was destroyed it would have gone back to normal right?
Or did it always have acid rain?
Also, was that their original homeworld?
Where do they go to now that the GF has found them out?
Does this set the stage for the return to Zebes in Super Metroid?
Post by: Mashiro on September 15, 2007, 06:46:37 PM
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The Pirate Homeworld was a different planet the Zebes right?
I mean, after the seed was destroyed it would have gone back to normal right?
Or did it always have acid rain?
Also, was that their original homeworld?
Where do they go to now that the GF has found them out?
Does this set the stage for the return to Zebes in Super Metroid?
No, Zebes was not the Space Pirates home world. Dunno if that was their original home world or not but as to where they go they probably will just continue to roam the universe as pirates would . . . I dunno lol.
It's hard to say how this sets the stage for Super Metroid and I don't think the Prime series did this in any way TBH.
Post by: mantidor on September 15, 2007, 08:54:32 PM
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"Super Metroid remains the best Metroid game to date for sure but Prime 3 was easily as good as Prime 1, if not slightly better thanks to the Wii controls."
Pffff, not even close...Even Zero Mission is better than Super Metroid...
You are sick and wrong.
Although I haven't finished the game, I'm confident this game is like the Fusion of the 3D metroids ( it even has the edge grab :P), with the constant annoying hand-holding of the AUs, even with the hints off. Super Metroid was amazing in this regard, it never explicitly told you anything, but you knew where to go, and it used some neat things, like the way you learned the shinespark and wall jumping.
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 15, 2007, 10:01:46 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 15, 2007, 10:56:31 PM
What used to be the "hint system" in the previous prime games was replaced with the hand-holding by the AU's. But, they do a good job of pacing the game since you're dealing with characters/factors that operate outside of Samus, allowing for collaborative twists to the story -- making it digestable for the non-hardtime-longcore mainstream audience. Additionally, just about every room in the game you progress thru is relavant to your objectives. A nice twist that creates a very tight string of puzzles that make up the game. HOWEVER, it also means it feels like there are hardly any stray paths to explore for the sake of exploring and finding a dead end which houses an awesome puzzle which guards a simple missle upgrade i am sad in this regard. And UGH, the number of freebie power-ups are near-sacriledge. I just calmed down and reminded myself that non-gamers would need some encouragement like that.
"How much harder is Hyper Mode than Normal?"
It IRKS ME that people are "finishing the game quickly" and calling bosses "pushovers".
I let my friend try the intro stages today on Normal, and i had not tried normal yet, and I was SHOCKED at how QUICKLY enemies died, especially the first life-metered boss.
On VETERAN, the player is the pushover rather than the boss.
I love the final boss series. Took me about 45min to complete (at 4am), including 2 deaths (phase1, then later in phase3), and my wrist hurt for the following 2 days thanks to all the SHOOTING and CHARGING and JUMP-DASHING.
Here's what it boils down to:
MP3 Normal = MP1 Easy (if such a thing is imaginable)
MP3 Veteran = MP2 Almost-Hard-Mode (Retro nails it)
EDIT: I'm glad I started on Veteran. I like MP3 as much as MP2. MP3 was a more intense combat experience with puzzles that were nicely tied to the environments' architecture. MP2 had more profound moments of discovery and more interesting Morph Ball puzzles/challenges.
Post by: Luigi Dude on September 15, 2007, 11:36:53 PM
And if anyone for some reason says Hyper Mode is too easy, well then that person should just stop playing video games all together because they're too good and there is no game on earth that can challenge them.
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 16, 2007, 12:16:40 AM
Somebody tell me what the stupid subtitle-less disembodied woman voice was saying over the credits or whatever. My only complaint with the game: occasional uncaptioned blathering.
Post by: UERD on September 16, 2007, 02:25:35 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2007, 03:50:48 AM
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Somebody tell me what the stupid subtitle-less disembodied woman voice was saying over the credits or whatever. My only complaint with the game: occasional uncaptioned blathering.
I had no problem understanding what it said...Basically that this marks the end of Samus' fight against Phazon...
Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 04:32:30 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 04:32:31 AM
Normal mode should be just that . . . normal. Not easy mode.
But with that said, again, I found most of the boss fights to be quite challenging and even though the AU fight at the end was pretty easy, it was still a close fight.
As for what is said at the end, it's something along the lines of that the phazon threat is over, yet this victory is but a "twinkle of a star" spreading hope through the darkness or something. Pretty much, the fight against the phazon is done but it's a small victory lol. There is a large universe out there filled with darkness and Samus will eventually have to kick that darkness' ass . . . if you know what I mean.
Post by: mantidor on September 16, 2007, 07:09:02 AM
Post by: Maverick on September 16, 2007, 08:15:49 AM
Then again, I always play through a new game the first time on its "normal" or "medium" difficulty. I enjoy games for their story/plot the most, so I play through normal to get the story. If I go back later and want more of a challenge, I amp it up on the play through. Most of the time I'm content with normal difficulty, but with MP3 I might have to at least go back with Veteran.
Post by: Adrock on September 16, 2007, 09:30:36 AM
Great game though I was a little disappointed. The controls are clearly the best part of the game (and the best of the series) and I'd love to see Retro used similar controls in an actual FPS. However, it was just too familiar. The controls are new, but that doesn't make the whole experience feel new. The first MP is still my favorite.
Summary of thoughts:
1. Load times... *shakes head in disappointment*
2. Weak story.
3. The new hunters were all lame, though at least Retro tried to give Gandrayda a personality.
4. Samus still looks like a toy doll though maybe not as much as in Echoes.
5. Samus's gunship was awesome.
6. Pacing after Elysia was off. I kind of felt bored at parts, especially on Valhalla.
7. Dark Samus in Echoes >>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Samus in Corruption
8. 75% and 100% endings = failure
9. Voice acting was pretty good if kind of pointless for the most part ("Can we talk later? This is really complex."). I know I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't have minded if Samus talked.
Post by: UERD on September 16, 2007, 09:50:40 AM
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Then again, I always play through a new game the first time on its "normal" or "medium" difficulty. I enjoy games for their story/plot the most, so I play through normal to get the story. If I go back later and want more of a challenge, I amp it up on the play through. Most of the time I'm content with normal difficulty, but with MP3 I might have to at least go back with Veteran.
This is also what I do, for the same reasons. Only I was expecting Normal to be a bit harder.
I'm playing Hyper Mode now.
1. It's a lot more intense.
2. The airlock door in the very beginning (where you can save the Federation trooper from being sucked into space) seems to close a lot quicker. (The guy's grip is also a lot looser, if you don't nail the target he flies away into oblivion.)
3. You don't get green vouchers for kills the second time through? Although I think you only need 15 green credits to begin with.
4. It seems a lot more difficult to suck up powerups (you have to be closer, or they won't start moving towards your charge beam)?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 16, 2007, 10:00:22 AM
Post by: Maverick on September 16, 2007, 10:25:06 AM
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I don't think so GP. It just seems like you take very little damage throughout the game when you get hit, and that you can kill most enemies rather quickly. I don't think it has to do with my experience from the previous Prime games.
I dunno, because frankly I didn't find Metroid Prime 1 that hard either, it was just the scavenger quest that kept me from beating it and this is coming from someone who is not good at all at First Person games.
Post by: Kairon on September 16, 2007, 10:32:33 AM
Hahahahaha! I beat Ghor without dying once! PUSHOVER!
... but I DID die on the friggin' Boost Ball Guardian, oops, I mean, Defense Drone once, then I figured out how I'd deal with the homing balls of brown goo and the second time I was able to down him.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 16, 2007, 10:42:16 AM
Post by: Kairon on September 16, 2007, 10:44:42 AM
Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 10:46:20 AM
Though I think hyper mode can attribute to that. Hyper mode makes so many enemies push overs in MP3 that on normal mode where you aren't taking tons of damage it just seems a lot easier.
The more I think about this game the more I want to go back and replay MP1 just to see how they stand up compared to one another.
Metroid Prime 3 had it's moments. I have to give credit to it's introduction stage. Probably the most fun intro stage and boss battle in the series (very arcade shooter-esk at some parts but it was a lot of fun). The voice work they pulled off very well and I wouldn't have minded seeing Samus talk actually. I think they could have done it right. The whole zero suit thing still annoys me but w/e I guess it is here to stay ::rolls eyes::.
If this game has one real negative it's the ending. It really was terrible. Like absolutely awful. I'm sorry but whomever was in charge of the ending portion of this game should be fired I mean seriously. So much effort was put into these titles, so how the hell do you end a trilogy so poorly? Metroid Prime 1 beats Metroid Prime 3 in this regard as it had a fantastic ending compared to this.
Sorry for complaining about the ending so much but for a series that is so good it's just shocking at how piss ass poorly it ends.
With that said I would love to see Metroid Prime 1 be remade to have wii controls <3.
Edit: I think the biggest shocker is how the game goes from being easily the best in the series to once you get to the end being . . . maybe as good as the first. I went into this game saying confidently this is the best in the Prime series but now . . . I'm just not sure. Time to boot up Prime 1 to find out.
Double Edit: Another thing that was severely disappointing was the power up system. Did anyone else feel like it was SEVERELY lacking? I mean come on . . . 2 beams that seemingly don't make you that much more powerful? Big let down..
Post by: Kairon on September 16, 2007, 10:50:36 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2007, 11:38:23 AM
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Post by: ShyGuy on September 16, 2007, 12:56:22 PM
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I've determined after analyzing all the data in this thread that all gamers want to do after playing a game is complain...
Welcome to the internet.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 16, 2007, 01:38:07 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 01:38:21 PM
So you're saying Metroid Prime 3 is perfect Bill? Come on get off it, any complaints I have listed are more than valid. This isn't to say the game SUCKS because of these faults but they are faults none the less. The game isn't perfect.
Post by: Kairon on September 16, 2007, 01:46:56 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 03:01:53 PM
It was still fun.
Post by: Kairon on September 16, 2007, 03:16:13 PM
Post by: Kenology on September 16, 2007, 04:01:27 PM
Post by: stevey on September 16, 2007, 04:15:23 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 04:16:02 PM
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Yeah, that's what I felt too Mashiro. Not too much of a let down, but it just didn't live up to the awesomeness it had elsewhere, especially the beginning!
Agreed. The beginning of the game definitely deserves props.
Post by: UERD on September 16, 2007, 04:26:26 PM
The levels were great. Even the relatively vanilla Norion looked great and felt right. Phaaze was nice, too (at least what I saw of it, with one eye constantly watching that stupid Phazon gauge).
I think one of the things that makes the relative difficulty of the bosses go down as the game progresses is the fact that you can go and find so many more optional energy tanks.
One more question...does anyone know if you have red and blue credits left over after buying everything? Or do you need to get every single red and blue bonus to get all the stuff?
Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 04:30:01 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 16, 2007, 05:13:51 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 05:21:54 PM
Edit: For the record, very few games are "perfect" and the only game through all this time I could consider real perfection is Super Metroid and maybe Super Mario 64 (though as time has gone on . . . I feel it's not as perfect as it was when I originally played through it way back in 1996).
Post by: UERD on September 16, 2007, 05:24:51 PM
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Yeah, that's what I felt too Mashiro. Not too much of a let down, but it just didn't live up to the awesomeness it had elsewhere, especially the beginning!
Agreed. The beginning of the game definitely deserves props.
The beginning was horrible I couldn't wait for it to end :P.
So I beated the boss omega ridley, and I can see the complains about difficulty, it was definitely easy. Being Ridley, such an important character, I think it also affects the perception on difficulty, he was hell in Super Metroid and Prime 1, but he has become weaker and weaker with fusion, zero mission and now Corruption. Then again I played on normal so that means I have at least two more encounters with him in the future with more challenge, and I can't wait for them
Now I'm heading towards the last missions, sadly all good things come to an end.
Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 05:47:57 PM
I'm really surprised you didn't like the beginning, the whole Ridley factor was extremely cool and the fight at the end was quite fun as well but to each his own I guess.
Also good point UERD about the whole delay thing . . . though maybe it should have been delayed a little longer for a better ending . . . no I'm not letting it go >.> lol.
Post by: Adrock on September 16, 2007, 08:32:50 PM
The game didn't really use the controller speaker. I still feel like a microphone would have been a better choice.
And I'd still like to see a 3D Metroid in 3rd person.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 16, 2007, 08:34:22 PM
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Post by: Svevan on September 16, 2007, 09:05:38 PM
Someone clue me in: does the hints function only turn off game progression hints, and not control hints?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 16, 2007, 09:22:04 PM
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Well... let's just say that I'm skeptical about whether Metroid could be done in third person. I'm skeptical... and so is Miyamoto.
Miyamoto is a FOOL and doesn't know what he is doing.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 16, 2007, 10:27:18 PM
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Wait wait wait.
So you're saying Metroid Prime 3 is perfect Bill? Come on get off it, any complaints I have listed are more than valid. This isn't to say the game SUCKS because of these faults but they are faults none the less. The game isn't perfect.
Considering nitpicky things like story (which wasn't any less Metroid-y than any other Metroid game) and ending (again, do your rose-tinted glasses deceive you? Since when have Metroid endings been drawn-out epic dramas? How you could expect anything more than a Metroid ending is beyond me...) don't affect my enjoyment of a game, Prime 3 is perfect...(Which automatically makes it a better game than Super Metroid, which isn't...
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Post by: Mashiro on September 16, 2007, 11:37:53 PM
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Wait wait wait.
So you're saying Metroid Prime 3 is perfect Bill? Come on get off it, any complaints I have listed are more than valid. This isn't to say the game SUCKS because of these faults but they are faults none the less. The game isn't perfect.
Considering nitpicky things like story (which wasn't any less Metroid-y than any other Metroid game) and ending (again, do your rose-tinted glasses deceive you? Since when have Metroid endings been drawn-out epic dramas? How you could expect anything more than a Metroid ending is beyond me...) don't affect my enjoyment of a game, Prime 3 is perfect...(Which automatically makes it a better game than Super Metroid, which isn't...
Sorry bud but you're the one with rose tinted glasses on. Prime 3 isn't perfect.
Who cares if previous entries in the metroid series weren't really story driven (even though I feel they were to an extent), the Prime series (especially 3) sets itself up to have these story elements that should explain certain things in the series. Furthermore, none of the previous Metroid games were really a trilogy. So in that regards Prime should be treated differently and I have done just that, treated it differently. For a trilogy it has a lame ass ending.
Super Metroid wraps things up nicely and hell it gives WAY more character to the metroid hatchling than Dark Samus. A game that took 3 games to wrap up story wise should have had a more story driven ending. When everything else in the series is so lore driven with lore scans and such how the hell do you not link the AUs to the Mother Brain? It's weak and you know it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 17, 2007, 12:14:40 AM
Sorry bud, but it seems you don't understand the meaning of "rose-tinted glasses"...
"When everything else in the series is so lore driven with lore scans and such how the hell do you not link the AUs to the Mother Brain? It's weak and you know it."
Considering there is a Mother Brain before Prime 3, it should be fairly obvious that the GF produced AUs off the basis of what was the original Mother Brain that the Chozo created...Other than that, it pretty much was fanservice...
You keep trying to link things around your own definition of what a "trilogy" is, and Retro clearly didn't care about that aspect...Which is good...
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 17, 2007, 12:49:22 AM
I love the ending more the more I think about it. She's just killed three of her rivals/acquaintances (it's pretty obvious they've worked together before, and established some measure of friendly rapport) for succumbing to this thing that she had a hand in shaping and that almost overwhelmed her. Her reaction is to drift off, regress for a while, enjoy the pretty scenery, quietly give them some thought, then get back to work. She doesn't even shed a tear. It's a clean, simple ending and I'm not sure what people's issue with it is.
Post by: mantidor on September 17, 2007, 03:33:30 AM
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HEY. I just got this game. I turned off the frigging hints. Why am I still getting hints? Lame.
Someone clue me in: does the hints function only turn off game progression hints, and not control hints?
The only difference I got was that the map showed little "?"s above the rooms. This is something I don't like about the game. Since you are under federation orders, some of this hints made sense, like land in certain place, hunt down someone, etc. but the damn AUs leading you directly towards items was just terrible.
Post by: Stogi on September 17, 2007, 04:32:24 AM
Really, I just wish the final boss was harder (I was playing veteran mode mind you). And really, it was easier because it was so routine. In fact, the last couple bosses/enemies were all routine. I liked the fact that they all had steps to beat them and that really livened things up in the first battles, but the last battle and mini-battles just reused aspects in which to defeat them. None of the bosses made me re-think them really.
That said, I still had a blast killing every single one of them especially that first major boss on Bryyo and that "boss" where you get the Nova Beam.
The only thing I'm really bitching about is the lack of use of all of my abilities in the last battle. Why couldn't they make me use the Multi-Missile, or the spider-ball? What about the grappling hook's other functions? I WANTED MY SWINGING BOSS FIGHT DAMN IT! Other than that, sh!t was bomb yo.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 17, 2007, 09:08:52 AM
Quadraxis ftw.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2007, 09:12:25 AM
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^ You forget that the weak complained about Echoes' difficulty or that they weren't able to beat the last boss. Nintendo listened to the fans, and made MP3 WORSE in its year of delay.
Quadraxis ftw.
Actually people complained more about the crappy back tracking so they made a far superior game (and if anything 500xs better than Killer7).
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 17, 2007, 09:15:16 AM
Post by: stevey on September 17, 2007, 09:19:31 AM
Prime 3 can be sum up by Game start*------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------>Ending. It was completely linear with only deviation from the main path was one room to go to a save station. The end of game fetch quest was a joke, You only need to go back to get 2/3 items and they were place right next to landing sites for 0 backtracking. Prime 3 still fun but Fails as a Prime game, Retro should have call it Hunter 2.
/rant
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2007, 09:50:49 AM
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You're confusing Smash's backtracking posts with complaints by individual players.
Every review I read mentioned the the scavenger hunt, I know some MP primes want to ignore the fact that the series had some of the most pointless scavenger hunts around, but the fact remains that there were many of us who can't ignore it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2007, 09:53:38 AM
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hell Doom3 has more backtracking than Prime 3
I stopped reading after such a mind numbingly stupid comment like that. I'm not even that far in MP3 and it has a heck of lot more backtracking then the shootem up Doom 3.
Post by: Adrock on September 17, 2007, 09:55:25 AM
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Well... let's just say that I'm skeptical about whether Metroid could be done in third person. I'm skeptical... and so is Miyamoto.
Only because you know it works in 1st person... Everyone was skeptical that Metroid could work in 1st person before Prime came out. I recall Miyamoto saying that 1st person worked better because Metroid takes place in small corridors... yet the Prime games had numerous wide open rooms.
They could always make a game that can be played entirely in either 1st and 3rd person.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2007, 10:03:17 AM
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Well... let's just say that I'm skeptical about whether Metroid could be done in third person. I'm skeptical... and so is Miyamoto.
Only because you know it works in 1st person... Everyone was skeptical that Metroid could work in 1st person before Prime came out. I recall Miyamoto saying that 1st person worked better because Metroid takes place in small corridors... yet the Prime games had numerous wide open rooms.
They could always make a game that can be played entirely in either 1st and 3rd person.
You are right Adrock, that is mainly what I was referencing the fetch quests at the end which was NOT Metroid like.I enjoyed the in between backtracking and exploration that you needed to do to progress, which was very much like previous Metroid's. I think with MP3 Retro realized that the world(s) were too big in previous Metroid Prime games to have a big end game search quest, so instead they streamlined exploration to each world as you went.
Post by: TrueNerd on September 17, 2007, 11:05:56 AM
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3rd person Metroid could work and work well, but my initial concerns would be that the series would become even more similar to Zelda.
Samus has to fly to Hyrule to stop Ganon and motherbrain from taking over!
Post by: Shecky on September 17, 2007, 01:46:57 PM
I backtracked on my own, recalling areas that had interesting areas that I couldn't get to with my current equipment (most of those rooms were memorable so it wasn't hard to remember where they were).
I finished with 98% in 18 hours... which is very good in my opinion. I'm a bit biased b/c I don't have the time for long games anymore.
I'm actually pissed that I'm short 2%, and I have no white dots to speak of!
Post by: decoyman on September 17, 2007, 01:58:35 PM
Having 98% and not being able to finish w/ 100% forced me to re-beat the game for the missing 2% (I didn't save at the end – I'd thought that those last two upgrades might be on Phaaze. Doh!). Anyways, I'm pretty sure that's where your 2% is. Good luck!
Post by: UERD on September 17, 2007, 02:08:35 PM
I think Chozo Observatory only gives you Norion, Bryyo (NOT including Bryyo Ice), and Elysia locations for powerups.
Post by: Shecky on September 17, 2007, 02:15:38 PM
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Shecky, I bet I know where they are, because they're the same ones that nearly drove me crazy. Have you checked the snowy place on Bryyo (I think it's Bryyo, at least) where there's a big chasm with the giant chozo statue (you have to shoot the chozo's hand to hop on it to cross the chasm) and lizard statue? You have to warp there, and since there's no landing zone in that area, you can't zoom into it on the map. It's the tiny little disconnected area on the world map at the left. There are two power-ups there, and I missed both of them as well. One is a ship's missile upgrade, and the other is an energy tank. I forget which upgrade you get there... spider ball maybe?
Having 98% and not being able to finish w/ 100% forced me to re-beat the game for the missing 2% (I didn't save at the end – I'd thought that those last two upgrades might be on Phaaze. Doh!). Anyways, I'm pretty sure that's where your 2% is. Good luck!
Gah, all I needed was the first two words of that and it jolted me... that place had sunk so far back in my memory that I nearly forgot that it didn't show up on any maps. You get the screw attack there... and it was really cool icy atmosphere, but too bad it's only like too rooms ... seeing as how I'm short an energy tank that HAS to be it. I was planning on revisiting the V (the only one without Elisa data).... and then to just start walking around the planets in order... I would have eventually made it back to the snowy area. I would have then proceeded to bang my head against a wall for not thinking of it sooner..... Technically it should be on the far side of the planet I think as your radio transmissions were being distorted.
In any case, thanks a bundle!
Also, I also thought that the last two might be at your final destination. Fortunately, I copied my file after warned about "no turning back".
Speaking of upgrades, what with all of the missiles? do they just fill in up to 100 items to collect by throwing missiles all over the place? In the 2D game you can shoot them off rapidly, but not so in these titles...
Also, why do I ever even need ship missile expansions?
Post by: Mashiro on September 17, 2007, 02:33:23 PM
- Lack of weapon power ups that make a difference. You really only feel slightly more powerful with each upgrade, and with there only being 3, it ain't much. From all the talk about a stackable weapon system like in Super Metroid I was hoping for more beams that could be switched on and off and have different effects but alas we just got three that stacked. Yay.
- Linear. Linear linear linear. It was nice because it kept the game moving at a nice pace but . . . just too linear. I dunno I feel like I enjoyed Prime 1 a lot more because of the vast areas we could go through. This isn't to say the level design was bad for it's set up, on the contrary I really enjoyed all the levels but it just seemed a little too straight forward most of the way through the game.
- Lack of any space battles with your ship. The climatic warp to the phazon planet cut scene where all the ships get into "star wars" battle was a perfect opportunity to do something that has never been done in the Metroid series.
- Lack of character development for 2 of the 3 other hunters. I am terrible with names so forgive me but the ice powered hunter was the only hunter that i felt somewhat bad about killing, mainly because of his helpful persona in the beginning of the game. Where as the other two, you really don't get that much of a feel for.
- The AUs and their magical appearance in the prime universe and the lack of connection with Mother Brain. If AU's were so important to the GF, why haven't we heard of them before? Are they brand new? As Bill suggested was their design influenced from Mother Brain? How do the potentially thousands of other AU's connect to the other Metroid games? There's a lot of potential with the AU's that I felt they did not take advantage of. One of the endings should have definitely had something relating to an AU being taken, stolen, re-built, w/e by space pirates as to give us a teaser for what could possible be next, as well as laying out the story for the potential next Samus adventure.
- Terribly lame final battle with Dark Samus.
- Sporadic door loading times. One thing I found weird was that there would be times where I would just boot up the game and start from a save point, go back through areas I had already been in but notice severely longer loading times than the previous night. Has anyone else experienced this? It's kind of annoying to say the least. It isn't a big killer of the game but an annoyance none the less.
With that said, the game was still very enjoyable but to me it wasn't a perfect experience.
I still give it a 9.5 outta 10.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 17, 2007, 02:58:04 PM
1) Getting hit is bad. REAL BAD. Like wow, not dying was a great incentive to dodging properly. Normal is like "haha, you tickle! Samus is getting aroused!"
2) Getting the new beams was welcomed. The difference is doing noticeable damage versus what felt like NO DAMAGE against even the little crawly tank-bots. You can still get by comfortably on Veteran by applying charged beam shots.
I suppose Normal mode was basically "joke" mode. It's just another example set by the non-game-infected Twilight Princess, which probably should've had a "Legend Mode" or something.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 17, 2007, 03:16:45 PM
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I think I HATED most about Prime 3 wasn't the "No change-everyone Wins" gameplay, it's was lack of any backtrack!
Good riddance. Backtracking made MP1&2 almost unplayable for me. Backtracking is fine in pure adventure games (King's Quest), action/adventure games (Zelda), and 2D games (the 2D Metroids), but in Metroid Prime, it was just f*cking painful.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
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I suppose Normal mode was basically "joke" mode. It's just another example set by the non-game-infected Twilight Princess, which probably should've had a "Legend Mode" or something.
Or the non-game infected Zelda: OOT, oh wait. Actually I think "normal" mode was created so the pompus, "hardcore" gamers can put others down.
Post by: Shecky on September 17, 2007, 03:28:22 PM
I also think the snow area was to be a bigger portion of the game that got cut.
They were railed by critics and users for the backtracking and so they put in shortcuts and one way passages to speed things up. Having several planets also hurt the model your looking for a bit. I know what you mean that Talon IV seemed to be a massive single planet and the transports and connections, but I think they did an good job with this title as well. I felt like I was exploring and would frequently backtrack to some areas. Hint's came up rather quickly, like when the AU's tell you to backtrack (even though I was heading for that destination having figured it out myself). I'd rather have to push 2 to get those hints.
They had back stories, read the lore and scans - and they did quite a bit with the AU's too. I wasn't expecting this to go Terminator on us and all the AU's to become bad and form skynet
To their credit, phazon attacks have remained consistent over time... they're all just pretty lame
Metroid Prime (original) still holds the crown for the worst final boss out of the series.
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Post by: Mashiro on September 17, 2007, 03:47:36 PM
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They had back stories, read the lore and scans - and they did quite a bit with the AU's too. I wasn't expecting this to go Terminator on us and all the AU's to become bad and form skynet.
I know they did Shecky but I felt they could have applied more to the actual overall story. They put so much effort into all the little nooks and crannies of the series and it just felt like some aspects of the plot left big gapping holes that will never be filled.
Post by: Shecky on September 17, 2007, 03:53:40 PM
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Shecky, ship missile expansions are for calling in bombing raids in open areas. Just call up your command visor and activate it. Takes out any enemies hanging around. Could come in handy in a pinch!
Really? I honestly never knew that was even possible.
Post by: Mashiro on September 17, 2007, 04:09:07 PM
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Shecky, ship missile expansions are for calling in bombing raids in open areas. Just call up your command visor and activate it. Takes out any enemies hanging around. Could come in handy in a pinch!
Really? I honestly never knew that was even possible.
Yeah, it only works in open areas for obvious reasons but it obliterates everything on screen for the most part. I too didn't know about this until someone mentioned it the other day on this thread and I tried it. Worked like a charm.
Post by: UERD on September 17, 2007, 04:16:49 PM
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They put so much effort into all the little nooks and crannies of the series and it just felt like some aspects of the plot left big gapping holes that will never be filled.
My biggest quibble with the Aurora thing is that the preview channel Aurora movie set everything up just perfectly...and they didn't use it. Kind of like in the PED video, where the voice over says 'No ill effects have been observed' just as the marine is staring at his hand.
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I'm sure they had dogfighting and cut it.... I think the ship missile expansions are proof of that, more so than the little touches of blast shields and cannons in your cockpit. I'm convinced those things are damned if you do, damned if you don't. Had they included it people probably would have cried foul, especially if it wasn't perfect. I for one don't think they would have been able to do it well and were probably better off keeping it out.
I think dogfighting wouldn't have worked out well, but they could have done at least one space-based boss battle on-rails (like with Ridley at the beginning.) I mean, you're already so close to that with blowing up the ATCs and protecting the bomb over Elysia. No worrying about controls, and as Mashiro said some of the cutscenes were just crying out for it.
Oh, and with the bombing runs thing, a boss battle involving your ship not getting beaten to death would have rocked.
Regardless, the game is pretty much almost perfect. Just rename 'normal' to 'easy n00b mode' and we'd be all set.
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They put so much effort into all the little nooks and crannies of the series and it just felt like some aspects of the plot left big gapping holes that will never be filled.
My biggest quibble with the Aurora thing is that the preview channel Aurora movie set everything up just perfectly...and they didn't use it. Kind of like in the PED video, where the voice over says 'No ill effects have been observed' just as the marine is staring at his hand.Quote
I'm sure they had dogfighting and cut it.... I think the ship missile expansions are proof of that, more so than the little touches of blast shields and cannons in your cockpit. I'm convinced those things are damned if you do, damned if you don't. Had they included it people probably would have cried foul, especially if it wasn't perfect. I for one don't think they would have been able to do it well and were probably better off keeping it out.
I think dogfighting wouldn't have worked out well, but they could have done at least one space-based boss battle on-rails (like with Ridley at the beginning.) I mean, you're already so close to that with blowing up the ATCs and protecting the bomb over Elysia. No worrying about controls, and as Mashiro said some of the cutscenes were just crying out for it.
Oh, and with the bombing runs thing, a boss battle involving your ship not getting beaten to death would have rocked.
Yeah, I agree... all good points. Especially the last one
your poor ship... like when your forced to send in your ship against the anti-air to progress... I didn't want to but recall not having a choice.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 17, 2007, 04:33:29 PM
Post by: Mashiro on September 17, 2007, 05:13:32 PM
Also I don't like how normal mode is being thrown around as the easy mode and such.
This should also be considered a negative against the game as it shows poor balance. Normal mode should be just that, normal. Not super easy. Not "you have to play on veteran to pan out some of the balancing problems" and such. It should be NORMAL.
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 17, 2007, 07:40:44 PM
You should have guessed from the fact that Veteran mode was available from the beginning, unlike the other two games.
The backtracking was perfect for me... I backtracked voluntarily to find all the secrets and finish each planet as thoroughly as possible before going to the next. Each time I got a major upgrade called for re-exploration of all the other planets... I finished the Valhalla right after getting the Nova beam, and I laughed at the marine's warnings on Norion right after getting the plasma.
Post by: Stogi on September 17, 2007, 11:29:24 PM
I'm sure this is much worse in HyperMode.
Post by: decoyman on September 18, 2007, 04:24:00 AM
)The normal person in the Wii world is not necessarily an experienced gamer, nor is he/she someone who necessarily played the first Prime games. I believe this choice in difficulties was based on the Wii's userbase, which includes lots of new gamers (as in, new to Nintendo and/or new to games period).
Besides all that, there's the anecdotal evidence that I found Veteran in Prime 3 to be harder than Prime 2's default difficulty. And I'm not the only one who found Veteran to be pretty challenging (see KashogiStogi right above me). Should they have called Normal "Easy" instead? It's kind of a gray area, I think. Maybe Prime 2's default difficulty fell somewhere between Prime 3's "Normal" and "Veteran." That would seem to be my opinion, so I think what they've done is fine.
So, maybe Normal's too easy for you. But are you a veteran of the franchise? Maybe you should have chosen, I don't know, Veteran, then.
The last thing we want to do is scare off someone who may be trying this kind of game out for the first time.You know, really, WE'RE ARGUING OVER A STUPID WORD. "Normal" is the lowest on the difficulty scale. We should all understand that, as gamers, if we're looking for a challenge, we should just start out on Veteran.
Post by: Stogi on September 18, 2007, 04:43:58 AM
Post by: jakeOSX on September 18, 2007, 06:00:37 AM
but i was in the ship and typed in samus's code (no good reason) and a voice came on speaking japanese. no subtitle, no translation, so not sure what it was...
(probably a recipe for cookies)
Post by: Stogi on September 18, 2007, 06:13:42 AM
Post by: Magik on September 18, 2007, 12:37:40 PM
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Playing on Veteran made me real hesitant to play MP3 on Hypermode. Towards the later half of the game, I found the best way to dodge a barrage of attacks from SPs was to quickly side-step left and right almost as if you were oscillating. The quicker you moved back and forth, the less you got hit. All the while, I'm frantically tapping the "A" button as fast as I can. Both of these maneuvers killed my thumbs. As I progressed, my thumbs got better at handling the stress plus the nova beam made killing SPs a one shot deal, but there would be times earlier where I just couldn't deal.
I'm sure this is much worse in HyperMode.
It is.
Post by: Mashiro on September 18, 2007, 12:54:21 PM
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Mashiro, I don't think many of us around here are normal... (I mean that in the best possible sense
The normal person in the Wii world is not necessarily an experienced gamer, nor is he/she someone who necessarily played the first Prime games. I believe this choice in difficulties was based on the Wii's userbase, which includes lots of new gamers (as in, new to Nintendo and/or new to games period).
Besides all that, there's the anecdotal evidence that I found Veteran in Prime 3 to be harder than Prime 2's default difficulty. And I'm not the only one who found Veteran to be pretty challenging (see KashogiStogi right above me). Should they have called Normal "Easy" instead? It's kind of a gray area, I think. Maybe Prime 2's default difficulty fell somewhere between Prime 3's "Normal" and "Veteran." That would seem to be my opinion, so I think what they've done is fine.
So, maybe Normal's too easy for you. But are you a veteran of the franchise? Maybe you should have chosen, I don't know, Veteran, then.
You know, really, WE'RE ARGUING OVER A STUPID WORD. "Normal" is the lowest on the difficulty scale. We should all understand that, as gamers, if we're looking for a challenge, we should just start out on Veteran.
Maybe there should have been a beginner setting then!
Anyway good points all around.
Post by: UERD on September 18, 2007, 03:30:51 PM
By the way, two of the 'secret message' translations can be found here
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Post by: mantidor on September 18, 2007, 06:18:01 PM
Those videos in the preview channel were such a REAL tease, some wasted opportunities there I was expecting the PED federation troopers to go insane on me, but nope, nothing, indeed it seems they cut some things out, which is a shame, we will never know anyway, not to mention the no appearance of mother brain or some hint about her, as I said, what a tease! literally!
Post by: bustin98 on September 18, 2007, 07:36:10 PM
And I agree with Uerd. It is an important title as it will show 3rd parties that action games, if done correctly, can do well on the Wii.
Post by: Maverick on September 18, 2007, 10:14:33 PM
Post by: UERD on September 19, 2007, 05:38:57 AM
I beat Mogenar on Hyper Mode today, after one and a half freaking hours. Whee!!
- Apparently you can shoot a missile at his mouth to freeze his face and stun him.
- If you (ab)use Hyper Mode correctly, you can kill his Phazon Boots without taking a single point of damage all three times.
- The battle switches from 'hard' to 'easy but tedious' at the end. He does this pattern where he shoots three magic hands in a row, which give off about 150 total energy, so you can always stay near the maximum.
Post by: mantidor on September 20, 2007, 08:37:51 AM
And I can't believe I missed the crateria remixed music, I really can't identify it even after listening closely O_o
Post by: JonLeung on October 06, 2007, 05:47:47 PM
But groups of Space Pirates? Not so much.
I'm stuck at the part on Bryyo where you have to destroy the turrets so that the gunship can come in and bomb the shield generator. Only problem is, there are a bunch of Space Pirates around that first one. I have all five Energy Tanks that I can have by this point. Even if I do make it into the first turret room with near-full health (by first spending twenty minutes going in and out of the other room where the containers respawn so I can get health from them after getting rid of the two Pirates in the next room), it's quickly drained as I use Hypermode to waste the Pirates or else take damage while I'm trying to get under there to yank the stupid thing out. And there isn't a whole lot of cover in that room, so I keep moving, but sometimes I'm jumping towards another Pirate who shoots like ten shots during a jump and by the time I land, that's another whole Energy Tank gone.
I did manage to destroy the turret twice. The first time, I headed backwards to go back to the save point, only to be wasted by a pirate along the way. The second time just now, I made it all the way back to the door that had locked - only to find that it's still locked! (And then I got wasted by the Pirates in that room too, of course.) They won't let me go back to save and/or restore my health - so I'm expected to survive, and well enough that I can continue moving forward? Nuts!
Maybe I need to work on my shooting skills, but I think it's stupid that the difficulty level ramped up so suddenly here.
Any tips for, well, shooting and surviving?
Post by: anubis6789 on October 06, 2007, 09:11:30 PM
I am also with everyone who is upset that they did not use a lot of the possible plot lines that they could have, such as the PED Marines possibly becoming corrupt, and a connection between Mother Brain and the AUs, not to mention the fact that you go to the freaking Pirate home world and nothing is revealed about their society or history or anything. And could someone explain to me what the hidden ending was trying to show, I mean whose ship was that, and what significance does it have to the greater story?
Another gripe that I did have is with the seeming uselessness of collecting Ship missile upgrades, but after reading here that they can be used in more places than just where the story needs them to be used, it makes a lot more sense, and I feel kind of stupid for not trying it myself. Can the Ship's missiles destroy those floating phazon spheres who's name I cannot remember? I hated those things.
Post by: mantidor on October 07, 2007, 08:00:53 AM
I didn't have a problem with the voice acting, and I thought it was fine, since I'm not a native speaker maybe I can't recognize bad acting easily, but I really think it was great.
My first play was through normal and now that I'm in veteran I was able to do Rundas and Mogenar even faster, still the part of that turret is hard, the only advice I can give is to watch the pirates patterns closely, when do you kill one does he inmediatly respawns or the game waits until you've take them all to respawn them in group? also when they are pulling the levers the can be easily targeted and dispatched.
Post by: Kairon on October 07, 2007, 08:40:48 AM
Post by: mantidor on October 08, 2007, 03:16:50 AM
Post by: Kenology on October 08, 2007, 04:16:11 AM
1. Is it possible to launch a satellite for the Pirate homeworld at all?
2. Can the rest of the projections be activated on Hyper Mode? I noticed there were about 16 - 18 bomb slots. Also, there were projections for Tallon IV and Aether.[/spolier]
Post by: mantidor on October 08, 2007, 04:30:54 AM
2. No, Retro teased us with the prospect of many planets in that place, that kind of pissed me off, I naively hoped for more planets. cameos of Zebes, SR388 and even their metroids, albeit only in text form, were neat
EDIT:
wait, I haven't tried hypermode, so ignore the second one.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 08, 2007, 08:07:54 AM
Post by: Mashiro on October 08, 2007, 09:45:23 AM
Post by: Kenology on October 08, 2007, 03:35:14 PM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
I could never find the supposed Aether and Tallon entries that it said were put in my log book, does anyone know were the entries are?
It's alphabetized in your Research section of your Logbook.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 08, 2007, 05:48:56 PM
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Originally posted by: KenologyQuote
Originally posted by: anubis6789
I could never find the supposed Aether and Tallon entries that it said were put in my log book, does anyone know were the entries are?
It's alphabetized in your Research section of your Logbook.
HAHA, I never thought to look in research, thanks Kenology, and thanks Mashiro for helping.
Post by: Mashiro on October 08, 2007, 08:51:28 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on October 14, 2007, 02:37:51 PM
The final version of the final boss is up in the air most of time. To get a good angle at shooting his weakspot, I have to aim up. If I am a millimeter too far up the reticule goes yellow and I can't aim. Am I missing something here? the rest of the game I had no problem with this at all. It was easier to aim in read steal than to aim at Aurorau unit 313's floating head
It killed me five times now, I don't care if there is no freaking save point I'm turning the game off.
Post by: Stogi on October 14, 2007, 02:53:17 PM
No seriously.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 14, 2007, 02:55:21 PM
Post by: Shecky on October 14, 2007, 02:57:40 PM
Ok obviously if he can aim up at all he should have no issue with the distance to the tv....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 14, 2007, 03:17:09 PM
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Originally posted by: ShyGuy
This game is ticking me off!
The final version of the final boss is up in the air most of time. To get a good angle at shooting his weakspot, I have to aim up. If I am a millimeter too far up the reticule goes yellow and I can't aim. Am I missing something here? the rest of the game I had no problem with this at all. It was easier to aim in read steal than to aim at Aurorau unit 313's floating head
It killed me five times now, I don't care if there is no freaking save point I'm turning the game off.
Make use of lock-on and stay locked-on -- that eliminates the effort to "aim up" since your camera will maintain a fix on it. Use Missiles and aim by leading to account for missile's travel time.
Post by: Shecky on October 14, 2007, 03:23:57 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 14, 2007, 04:14:01 PM
Post by: mantidor on October 14, 2007, 06:58:54 PM
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Originally posted by: KashogiStogi
You should sit closer...
No seriously.
really? I get problems when I'm too close, not when I'm away, I was going to recommend the exact opposite...
so I feel really dumb again, I completely missed the lore of skytown, I don't know why since I'm a scanning freak, but I didn't pay attention to those stupid little robots and thier hint about shooting them, is every single blue token necessary to unlock everything?
Post by: ShyGuy on October 15, 2007, 01:04:25 AM
Post by: Shecky on October 15, 2007, 01:50:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Doesn't mean he can ignore it. The thingo spins around, after all.
I remember strafing and spamming the missile button. I'd always land a hit but maybe I was leading my shots subconsciously.
I'm pretty sure you can lock onto it as it spins around.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 15, 2007, 04:23:35 PM
Thanks for the tips guys, your help makes me a little more FIST.
8th time was the charm. 77%, 29:01 time. Fantastic game, even with the annoying aiming problem at the end. My biggest quibble is the screw attack is more of a hinderance than a help during most boss fights.
Post by: mantidor on October 15, 2007, 04:56:23 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 15, 2007, 05:41:33 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on October 15, 2007, 05:44:51 PM
Post by: Shecky on October 16, 2007, 01:07:35 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
I beat PURPLE CHICK using the Screw Attack.
I beat her straight up. What an annoying battle.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 16, 2007, 02:05:45 AM
Post by: Strell on October 16, 2007, 02:55:21 AM
That is all.
I think I'm going to start a new game on it and try to find the last 5 pickups I missed.
Post by: mantidor on October 16, 2007, 08:14:30 AM
Post by: Plugabugz on October 16, 2007, 11:50:14 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on October 16, 2007, 06:35:52 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
wait a minute, am I crazy or this game has no water level at all? that is awful! metroid needs water, always
The original Metroid and the Return of Samus begs to differ.
Just to preempt anyone who wants to say that Metroid II sucked, I loved it and it was got me into Metroid in the first place.
Post by: ShyGuy on October 17, 2007, 01:30:53 AM
Apparently we weren't worthy enough for him to share it with us.
Post by: EasyCure on October 17, 2007, 11:26:08 AM
) and now that i have the game i want your voucher things. and i'll be sending mine.so far i've only got one from one of you guys, so i'd like to give props to Mantidor.
Post by: Shecky on October 17, 2007, 04:19:26 PM
Post by: Ghisy on October 19, 2007, 08:50:09 AM
Full scan
Post by: ShyGuy on October 19, 2007, 09:27:46 AM
Post by: Stogi on October 19, 2007, 09:46:27 AM
Post by: Caliban on October 19, 2007, 04:24:28 PM
Post by: Kairon on October 19, 2007, 04:30:22 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 19, 2007, 05:46:29 PM
There's a special metroid in teh pants.
Post by: mantidor on October 22, 2007, 04:46:37 AM
Post by: Caliban on October 22, 2007, 01:00:32 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 22, 2007, 01:04:06 PM
Post by: Mashiro on October 22, 2007, 01:12:16 PM
Post by: Caliban on October 22, 2007, 02:57:12 PM
@Mashiro: ah, in that case I could care less too.
Post by: mantidor on October 23, 2007, 07:52:51 AM
And is it absolutely confirmed is silux ship? I thought it was only speculation
Its so sad there will be no more metroid prime games, I really hope that that ending as well as some comments from retro don't mean Nintendo is going to take metroid more into the hunters route.
Post by: Mashiro on October 23, 2007, 09:42:17 AM
If they are wrong then I have no clue who's ship it is.
Post by: anubis6789 on October 23, 2007, 10:52:47 AM
Post by: mantidor on October 24, 2007, 04:05:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Well Mantidor, as a long time follower of the metroid games and hunters being the only one I missed I would have to assume the people saying it's his ship know what they are talking about.
If they are wrong then I have no clue who's ship it is.
well people were saying the same thing about rundas when we first saw him, and he ended up being a new character. Since retro was the one behind the design of the other hunters thats why there's a similarity, but it doesn't mean is from the DS game necessarily, unless is the exact same design, something I am not that sure.
Post by: Mashiro on October 24, 2007, 06:59:24 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 24, 2007, 03:04:05 PM
What was the delay for again?
Post by: Mario on October 24, 2007, 03:08:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Caliban, it's Sylux's ship. A character in metroid prime hunters. Having never played hunters though I could honestly care less . . .
so you care a great deal
Post by: mantidor on October 24, 2007, 03:25:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Retro is terrible for using 30fps FMVs in the ending.
What was the delay for again?
really? it makes no sense! I remember being surprised one of the cutscenes from echoes was FMV instead of rendered in real time, but it was full of ings and federation soldiers in a big battle, so it was understandable, this ending was just samus looking into the horizon!, I guess her hair is incredibly complex
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 24, 2007, 04:31:33 PM
In Corruption's 100% weak ending, previous scenes were being revisited that could not be loaded & rendered immediately (different stages), so they were forced to FMV. Also, the early scene with the 1st Space Rock being destroyed by the Super Defense Gun was 30fps FMV. Talk about lazy. More proof that Nintendo is only producing on DVD5s instead of DVD9s -- even after getting past the GameCube they have disc space issues.
Post by: Plugabugz on October 26, 2007, 09:09:00 AM
Maybe the gods here at NWR are voodooing me because so far all of my stuff i've ordered over the past 3 weeks (that should have cleared up while i went to new york city) has got stuck because of the recent postal strikes. Including Corruption.
Thank you all
Post by: IceCold on October 26, 2007, 09:26:02 AM
Post by: utarefsoN on October 27, 2007, 04:09:37 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
wait a minute, am I crazy or this game has no water level at all? that is awful! metroid needs water, always
I know.. i just beat the game an hour ago and during reflexion, i realized the game had no water level. It was missed. Norion was a waste and i rather have had Elysia a world level as opposed to the floating world that it was. Great game none the less. However, i thought it was a bit to easy on normal. I died like 3 or four times. I died like 20 or more in each of the first two games. Well see in veteran.
Post by: Mario on October 27, 2007, 04:22:05 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 27, 2007, 04:50:43 PM
Post by: Mario on January 12, 2008, 12:47:15 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2008, 01:03:39 AM
Post by: decoyman on January 12, 2008, 02:18:53 AM
Although I really liked having Samus feel like a part of a living, breathing galaxy, inhabited by other people than just her and some space pirates, keep playing. The isolation returns pretty swiftly, and you'll be on your own for most of the game.
Plus, the emotional connection you develop with the other hunters in the beginning makes the rest of the game that much more interesting. Make sure you scan everybody, then read the background stories on them. It's really well done.
Post by: Plugabugz on January 12, 2008, 03:04:30 AM
Post by: utarefsoN on January 12, 2008, 10:53:24 AM
Post by: Smoke39 on January 12, 2008, 12:19:06 PM
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Originally posted by: decoyman
The isolation returns pretty swiftly, and you'll be on your own for most of the game.
Kinda hard to feel isolated with people yapping at you over the radio all the time.
"SAMUS. THERE'S AN ITEM IN THE ROOM YOU'RE ABOUT TO ENTER. YOU BETTER GO AND GET IT."
Not to mention that horrid escort mission toward the end.
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Originally posted by: decoyman
Plus, the emotional connection you develop with the other hunters in the beginning makes the rest of the game that much more interesting. Make sure you scan everybody, then read the background stories on them. It's really well done.
What emotional connection? They're a bunch of shallow comic book hero ripoffs.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 12, 2008, 12:51:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
Finally got this and just played for a few hours. What the hell? Retro have totally killed the immersion the first two games had with all these lame other characters and RETARDED "achievement" stuff that totally needs to go away. I don't want to be walking around appreciating the great environments and see "200 kills! Wo0t!" pop up, just so I can put bumper stickers on my ship (WTF?). The entire franchise is dead to me after this and Hunters. It's a shame because there's a lot of amazing stuff in this game, I love the music and controls. Someone tell Retro they don't have to copy all the other western devs because this is embarrasing. I'll still keep playing because its pretty fun.
So...
Metroid Prime 3 is so bad that is kills the Metroid franchise for you, you think the achievements are retarded and you hate the new characters, yet you think its an amazing game with great music and controls, and you think its fun...
Anyone notice something weird in this?
Post by: ShyGuy on January 12, 2008, 07:39:33 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 12, 2008, 09:21:41 PM
Its like eating fried dough while being a heart patient. It tastes so good yet it can kill you! XD
Post by: EasyCure on January 14, 2008, 04:33:33 AM
i didnt think it was a terrible game. it didnt quite draw me in as much as the first two but i think its because i rushed it and NOT the voice acting and characters that interact with you.
In the first Prime games i didnt really know what the game was going to be like, i had never played a metroid game before hand (well i did, but not more than five minutes) and i first played prime borrowed from a friend. the Scanning system was intriguing but i didnt realize how important it was to not only the gameply but the story, not until i bought my own copy anyway. I loved it and i knew i had to by Echoes when that came out. I loved how tough it was and there's still some Lore i havent found in both games. How are you supposed to explore and try to scan everything when the atmosphere kills you! ah, so great.
then comes prime 3, at a point in life when i have less time for video games. After 2 entries into the [prime] series i knew what to expect but that wasnt a bad thing, because the formula was good and made even better by the motion controls. Because i had to limit my time playing i did everything as fast as i could (yet still managed to scan all but 2 things, literally) and by the end i finished under 20 hours! the first two took me over 24 on my first play throughs. i was pissed too, 99% items collected in 17:24!!! where was that one missing item, argh!
anywho i think some of the ease that came with playing was in the level design. i think because the game was set up in stages it was easier to explore every nook in cranny because you wouldnt end up in another area. ie If im wandering around Norion, i'm gonna stay on Norion. whereas in Prime 1 i could be in the ice area and end up in the fire area if you werent paying attention to which elevators you took.
the other thing that you could argue made the game easier then the last was the fact that you always knew when you were going to fight a main boss in the Leviathin Cores. it was much easier to prepare for a boss fight and the battles themselves werent as unique as they could of been because they layouts were always the same. To this day my favorite metroid prime boss fight is that huge bug that flies over the acid lake while you swing around from platform to platform. there was nothing like that in prime 3
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2008, 11:33:24 AM
I just ripped MP3's soundtrack.
FnCKING EY
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 20, 2008, 06:02:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Some bright person has recently released a tool that allows the extraction of Wii game files off game ISOs.
I just ripped MP3's soundtrack.
FnCKING EY
GameCube emulators already exist, that means Wii ones can be far off then. Not that I honest to God use those.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 29, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
WHY DOES THE REGION WITH INFERIOR METROID SALES GET THE SUPERIOR METROID COVER?
Post by: Kairon on January 29, 2008, 04:39:05 PM
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 21, 2009, 04:12:50 AM
Post by: Stogi on April 21, 2009, 10:24:22 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 21, 2009, 11:52:56 AM
I'm disappointed it can be exploited at all.
Post by: Stogi on April 21, 2009, 12:37:49 PM
I usually only had about the same amount of life (usually less, so I had to find health just to enter hypermode).
Post by: EasyCure on April 21, 2009, 12:46:13 PM
whats this exploitation you speak of though? I'm always late to these things, like snaking in MK (which i've never tried), wave-dashing in SSBM (which i can't pull off) etc etc.
Post by: Caterkiller on April 21, 2009, 12:50:21 PM
But with this one out of the way, I keep expecting to see a brand new Metroid thats 3rd person. With pointing, aiming and motion pluss, it seems certain it can be done. Have any games so far done shooting in 3rd person for Wii? Not like galaxy, but where ever you aim the ammo will come from the character and not from the heavens?
Post by: EasyCure on April 21, 2009, 12:53:22 PM
I didn't realise so many of you had a problem with this game. I loved it to death and was happy that someone was talking to Samus again.
But with this one out of the way, I keep expecting to see a brand new Metroid thats 3rd person. With pointing, aiming and motion pluss, it seems certain it can be done. Have any games so far done shooting in 3rd person for Wii? Not like galaxy, but where ever you aim the ammo will come from the character and not from the heavens?
RE4/Godfather/Scarface.... hm i can't think of anyones exclusive to Wii.. LOL
Post by: Stogi on April 21, 2009, 01:19:47 PM
A 3rd Person Shooter is what everyone wants. It seems obvious even to the most asinine individual. I must say, it would be interesting if Metroid went down that path. Even though the platforming has been superb through the Prime series, it could make the jumping sequences even more complex. With Motion Plus added, Samus could finally have some new cool weapons. For instance, (borrowing from the Conduit) Samus could finally have a wave beam that slices at angles you see fit.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 21, 2009, 01:28:53 PM
What? What do you mean by exploited?
I usually only had about the same amount of life (usually less, so I had to find health just to enter hypermode).
Normally the Phazon meter will deplete when you fire Phazon shots. Later in the story, the "emergency shutoff" stops working, so after 20 or so seconds of the mode being active, the meter will gradually regenerate/overload, therefore you have to fire shots to keep the meter from filling up and killing yourself. Basically, you have extended invulnerability time and ammo because the game is gradually providing free refills. Wait for a refill, fire a shot, repeat, and the mode eventually shuts itself off safely. Bosses are killed in like... no time?
Ever since the game explained in the beginning that the mode was supposed to shutoff automatically, I LEFT IT AT THAT. I didn't see a point in keeping it active a long time since it wasted quickly, so I either fired all my shots while a boss was vulnerable or I jumped in/out of the mode to "conserve health."
So the hardships I cherished turned out to be just a dream.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 21, 2009, 01:30:26 PM
but lol, capcom and effort.
Post by: Stogi on April 21, 2009, 01:31:49 PM
I didn't know you could wait for it to refill. I thought that equaled death.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 21, 2009, 01:34:22 PM
freaking casualized games
Post by: EasyCure on April 21, 2009, 01:36:57 PM
If an IR-pointing 3rd Person Metroid is achieved, then an IR-pointing 3rd Person Mega Man will follow.
but lol, capcom and effort.
We can still dream..... sigh
Wait...THAT"S EXACTLY WHAT I DID!
I didn't know you could wait for it to refill. I thought that equaled death.
yeah thats what i thought. Guess i should tacke the hyper mode or whatever the unlocked difficulty is. Hell i'm stil made i beat the game at like 99.9%...
Post by: EasyCure on April 21, 2009, 01:37:56 PM
I found out about it reading this stupid thread a month after beating the game.
freaking casualized games
This is why avoid threads like these while playing the freaking game. Haven't been in the madworld thread since i got the game since i stopped playing it to beat other games.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 22, 2009, 01:20:29 PM
