Author Topic: LOZ: 2005 (Read 566270 times)

Raven52 · « **Reply #1125 on:** May 05, 2005, 04:34:31 AM »

I have to agree, I was a little hesitant about ZeldaWW but I am sooo glad that I gave it a chance because it plays just as good as OoT and Majoras Mask. I have been playing Zelda since the first one and I have to say that they get better each time. I have to admit, I gave up on Nintendo after the 64 for quite some time. But it finally got to a point that I missed games such as Metroid, Zelda, and Mario. And $70 for a used Gamecube from EB games is a steal! The Metroid Prime series alone is worth the system but I am actually suprised at how good ZeldaWW is.

*(SPOILERS AHEAD)* Just in case you haven't played yet.

To me the difference in has a great significance in the story of the game. You are not playing as Link and the character playing as Zelda is technically an ancestor to the original princess. I look at difference in graphics as a way to somewhat make sure that you as the player knows that he or she is not playing as the actual Link. Never once so far while playing this game did I think I was actually playing as Link. But it still feels like Zelda. But as everyone knows, the next Zelda game is building up to what could be one of the most beautiful games ever created. But no Zelda fan should pass on ZWW. If you are a true fan of the series, you should love ZWW just like all of the others.

To me though, Link To The Past was the greatest Zelda game of all. OoT was incredible but I have actually played Link To The Past all the way through at least 5 times because I enjoy the gameplay so much.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1126 on:** May 05, 2005, 06:37:44 AM »

"You are not playing as Link and the character playing as Zelda is technically an ancestor to the original princess."

I have no idea why people think this, but you ARE Link, and it IS Zelda...There is not just one Link and one Zelda in the entire Zelda universe...The idea of Link is the warrior spirit is passed down and arises whenever the need to save the world appears...Yes, the King of Red Lions DID say he wasn't the hero, but he was WRONG...Ganondorf talks about this before you fight his puppet, about how Link is basically the reincarnation of the Hero of Time...So get this straight...In every Zelda game you play as a character named Link, YOU ARE LINK!

couchmonkey · « **Reply #1127 on:** May 05, 2005, 06:47:03 AM »

I can understand why some people didn't like the graphics in Wind Waker, I don't think that's a bashable offence; refusing to play it because of the graphics is. But as a Zelda fan all I can do is accept that some people are silly and I'm not going to change their minds. The game was awesome.

Speaking of the EGM interview, (see link in Mantidor's post below, sorry) posted some extra stuff that didn't make it into the magazine, and it's very much worth reading. The description of Nintendo HQ is kind of fun, the interview with Aonuma is okay, but kind of predictable, but the interview with Koji Kondo is awesome. I don't think I've read any interviews with him before and he went into quite a bit of historical detail. I just wish the writer would quit writing censored swears all the time. Putting s--t and f--king everywhere comes off as kinda unprofessional. If you can't write the words, don't use them. I guess EGM wants to look cool in front of it's 16 year old friends.

Edit: What the heck? My link was broken in deeply strange and disturbing ways. :{

TMW · « **Reply #1128 on:** May 05, 2005, 08:33:58 AM »

I had two beefs with WW. One...it was a tad too short, if you don't count all the sidequests. I happen to like my games on the longer side of awesome, so I was just a tad disappointed.

Two...they completely ruined the Tetra/Zelda bit. Tetra was this awesome woman, captain of her own pirate ship, for crying out loud. Take Charge, In Command kinda gal. But the second it's revealed she's actually a princess, she gets "trophy'd" and turns back into the stereotypical "helpless female", stuck back at the castle while the men go out and kill things.

However...it does not seem to be the case in LoZ2k5. The piece of art with her wearing armor and the sword has done alot to make me that much more excited about the game.

That, and the fact that it's supposed to be like, three times larger than OOT isn't hurting either.

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Oh...and Couchmonkey..your link takes me to the Microsoft website, yo.

Are you trying to imply something about EGM?

mantidor · « **Reply #1129 on:** May 05, 2005, 09:16:38 AM »

lol, here the link

Parts I liked from the interview:

Aunoma doesnt want the game to be dark, he wants the game to be a contrast between very lighten with very dark, nd also very sad moments and very happy moments, thats just too awesome.

The finally were able to manage the wind, so even if the wind is not a main part of the game, it will be there and will affect the game (even more awesome)
The interview with Kondo is indeed great.

as for tWW's Zelda, I think that she acted like that because she found herself in shoes that certainly didnt fit her, I mean from pirate to princess? thats enough to left anyone in shock, but remember that in the last battle she actually helps, she isnt a damsel in distress.

Its true that the game was short in the number of dungeons, as I replay OoT I miss the fact that tWW has only two dungeons after the default three dungeons of almost every Zelda game, but both of this were really great, I heard that they had to cut the number of dungeons because they were out of schedule, its that right?.

TMW · « **Reply #1130 on:** May 05, 2005, 10:07:00 AM »

Actually...I felt that there was a translation problem when it came to discussion about light and dark...

Aunouma kept talking about contrast between light and dark...and I think the was talking about lighting in general, not the tone of the game.

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As for Zelda...yes, I suppose there would be a shock to learning that you are, in fact, a princess. But that didn't change who she was. And it wasn't up to her, anyways. IIRC, it's the King of Red Lions who locks her away for her own safety...except that wouldn't she be more safe on a moving ship in the middle of a giant ocean?

And yeah...I know it was two dungeons short. But the fact that they meant for two more dungeons to be put in does not change the fact that they did not put them in the game. Don't get me wrong, I loved it. I bought my Gamecube solely for The Wind Waker. I just...felt they could get past the machismo and let Zelda have a larger role in the game as a whole...not just at the end (like in OOT...more or less).

norebonomis · « **Reply #1131 on:** May 05, 2005, 11:59:55 AM »

i LOVE this part. hahahaha. stupidness lets us all have a slight glimpse.

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Most of my big questions go unanswered -- about the game's name, any kind of new, important gameplay mechanic, the Goron boxing, etc. When I ask about the rumors that Link is a werewolf, he gets a funny look on his face. "If Link is...?" he asks the translator, then says he can't answer the question. It's tough to read, but if I had to guess, I'd say his reaction sounded less like surprise I had hit on something and more like I had just gotten the name wrong...

couchmonkey · « **Reply #1132 on:** May 05, 2005, 01:48:39 PM »

TMW: I totally agree with your comment on Tetra transforming to Zelda. Given how Tetra behaved up to that point in the game, it seems very unlikely she'd just sit around and wait for Link to do everything for her (which turned out to be an awful plan anyway

) I suppose there might be some logic for doing it that way - they didn't want to have Zelda following Link around for the rest of the game, for example - but I don't think it fit her character at all.

It may sound weird, but I think it would have made way more sense for the King to basically imprison her by force and for her to be mad when she found out they were leaving her behind rather than for her to just agree to it.

stevey · « **Reply #1133 on:** May 06, 2005, 04:14:22 PM »

"Link is a werewolf" wrong the wolf is to show that he out in the wild and alone. I don't want to hear soiler about the story ether but when it take place and from the look of thing this is a precural and a secural afther oot and before ww about what happen in the intro of ww before the flood. make sence

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1134 on:** May 06, 2005, 04:36:11 PM »

No, the fact that the wolf is on the cover of EGM proves its importance in the game...

mantidor · « **Reply #1135 on:** May 06, 2005, 04:37:46 PM »

In that regard Aunoma's statements are ambigous, first he confirmed that the game was chronologically after tWW, but in the recent interviews he says that they dont know yet where to put the game (or dont want to tell), all we can do know is guess.

stevey · « **Reply #1136 on:** May 07, 2005, 01:45:06 PM »

no the fact that it is sill prove my point the castal on fire mean that hurule has fall to ganon and link and zelda go out to the wild to find blank to defate him. the stage are to weak because 2 die and the triforce is gone so I think he going vilage to vilage looking for the maiden for power.
Aunoma's statements he dosen't know when to put it in the 1000 year gap bewteen oot-ww and the ww2 dose mean after it mgs3

Nephilim · « **Reply #1137 on:** May 07, 2005, 02:47:43 PM »

"Gorons won't be the Gorons"
I think that means there evil/bad guys, explains why he is fighting them

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #1138 on:** May 07, 2005, 05:02:07 PM »

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But the second it's revealed she's actually a princess, she gets "trophy'd" and turns back into the stereotypical "helpless female", stuck back at the castle while the men go out and kill things.

I never really got this logic. Her actions seemed totally believable to me (someone who's had experience developing characters realistically). She suddenly turns into a princess, finds out that she possesses a fragment of the Triforce which ties her to the very fate of the entire world. That is shocking, and no pirate knows what to do in that situation. She robs people and sails the seas, she doesn't save the world and protect herself from the most fearsome of evils. Also, keep in mind that Tetra is not 100% tough. Emotion shows through quite often, even while she's Tetra. She's still a little girl, and a lot of the time the tough attitude is just a facade.
Gradually she recovers somewhat from the shock. When with Ganondorf, who's obviously much more powerful than her, she's mostly unconscious. When she does recover consciousness she gets up, pulls Link's sword out of the stone tower, and brings it to him. Together, they fight Ganondorf. She was more involved the OoT Zelda. Ganondorf knocked her out flat at one point and she still got up to keep fighting. When they're talking to the King, there's no reason to be tough. He's a very fatherly figure. She slips into a more child-like and innocent persona. They return to the surface and she turns back into Tetra, acting fairly normally.

But yes, new Zelda looks very bad-ass.

Nephilim · « **Reply #1139 on:** May 07, 2005, 07:20:21 PM »

she isnt a maiden
OOT:she was trained in sercet arts and was also Shiek, meaning she didnt just stand there going "help me", she would of proberly had her own small adventure and had to do stuff in the time between link being a child and a adult
WW: people have already stated this

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #1140 on:** May 07, 2005, 08:06:45 PM »

Nintendo in general is the last company you should point a finger at about perpetuating sexist female stereotypes.

Samus, anybody? And even Princess Peach, as you would know if you played Paper Mario 2. And maybe Kirby... I've never been quite sure about that little pink puffball's sexuality.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1141 on:** May 07, 2005, 08:13:26 PM »

Well "Kirby" *can* be used as a male or female name so who knows...I've always considered Kirby female...

mantidor · « **Reply #1142 on:** May 07, 2005, 08:47:12 PM »

I always wonder about that too, for me Kirby and Jigglypuff are both male, and the cartoons of the games doesnt seem to portrait them as females, why everyone else think the opposite? personally I have no problem whatsoever with them being pink.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1143 on:** May 07, 2005, 08:49:02 PM »

In the anime, Jigglypuff is definitely a female...Or a male that happens to want to be a pop diva and wears bows (Super Smash Brothers)

stevey · « **Reply #1144 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:49:20 AM »

""Gorons won't be the Gorons"
I think that means there evil/bad guys, explains why he is fighting them "
Did I say that on the last page DeadlyD. Do some reading.
kirby is male on an ad said I hate him,jigglypuff female

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #1145 on:** May 08, 2005, 04:59:01 AM »

Does it even matter?

TMW · « **Reply #1146 on:** May 08, 2005, 09:39:40 AM »

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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Nintendo in general is the last company you should point a finger at about perpetuating sexist female stereotypes.

Samus, anybody? And even Princess Peach, as you would know if you played Paper Mario 2. And maybe Kirby... I've never been quite sure about that little pink puffball's sexuality.

Yeah. And I didn't. Pointing out one instance in one game does not mean I'm saying Nintendo is run by a bunch of woman hating machismo types. All I'm saying is that they could have done the Zelda/Tetra bit alot better. Hell, it probably wasn't intentional. That doesn't mean I have to like it.

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As for the male/female dilemma...I refer you to Birdo.

mantidor · « **Reply #1147 on:** May 08, 2005, 05:41:50 PM »

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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
In the anime, Jigglypuff is definitely a female...Or a male that happens to want to be a pop diva and wears bows (Super Smash Brothers)

really? then the translators messed up, because spanish is less ambigous about gender than english, something like "Jigglypuff was furious" doesnt gave away any gender while " Jigglypuf estaba furioso" means hes male, for female it should be "furiosa". From the show in spanish its clear that hes male. I see the little pink puffball as someone who wants to find another person who can listen to its song completly, and thats why he gets so furious when everyone falls asleep, I cant see him as someone who wants to be a pop diva, the bow its unexplicable for me though LOL

(I know, very offtopic, but I had to answer

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ok, to not leave this post just like that Im going to add this: discussing in another forum the topic about the gerudo race showed up. The most intriguing part was how Ganondorf's mothers were twins, and based on OoT's story (and the gerudo race) if you take it literally the game basically says that Ganondorf is the result of an homosexual an besides incestual relationship, something that didnt bother to me at all when I played the game but now that I think about it is really creepy, whats your opinions on the matter?

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #1148 on:** May 08, 2005, 06:08:07 PM »

Ever consider that Twinrova could've given birth to THE GANON while they were in their combined state? And that the Gerudo's give birth to a single male every hundred years, who is destined to be their ruler? The Gerudo women did venture into Hyrule boundaries at night "to have fun" with Hylian males, according to one of the Gossip Stones. So Twinrova might've been partying while in their combined state. who knows. they have much magiku powaa YES

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #1149 on:** May 08, 2005, 06:14:04 PM »

Twinrova could have transfered pollen from its stamen to its stigma, thus impregnating itself. It would then use photosynthesis to metomorphise into BATMAN.

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Author Topic: LOZ: 2005 (Read 566270 times)