Topic: LOZ: 2005

[LinkZero]

Maybe, this is the first time that this goron meet Link and  didn't know if Link is good or evil, so he attacked him.
Then after the fight, they became friend when he found out that link is good

[King of Twitch]

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Originally posted by: Caliban
New screens and artwork at www.jeux-france.com/news9800_the-legend-of-zelda-en-images.html.

According to one of the scans: "But if you don't lock on you can now swipe your sword as you move around, without stopping"

Genius! This is going to be so smooth.


Wind Waker seems to have started a weird precedent of not having Link in a green tunic in the beginning, but I'm not sure if I like it.

http://www.jeux-france.com/afficher_images.html?Image_big=Webmasters/Images/3024320050421_203550_4_big.jpg

Personal translation: 'Although Link will already be mature in the beginning of the adventure, he also will be maturing little by little with the passing of time.' I guess that's already been discussed, srry nm.

I wonder if it just means he will change into adult clothes, his personality will change, or something deeper. Can't wait.


My prediction: Link is actually the incarnate culmination of Hyrule's native animal-people species; he becomes mature once he gains the ability to transform into each of them. He was given this ability by the gods at his birth and the triforce pieces allow him to transform.

[Miyamoto Osaki]

OK the thing about the Goron, I just wanted to get this off my back, my theroy is that the Goron is possed and is fighting Link and to back my theroy up, has anyone seen the tattoos on the Goron, it looks awsome but it doesnt look right.

And the thing about the new outfit that Link wears, I think that might be his training suit, all that stuff he carries around his body looks like they help him get used to running around with the usual things he carries.

Hey I might be wrong and from today, I am not going to look for anymore info,trailers and pic's for "The Legend of Zelda", this way I am more surprised and happier with the game. It will be the most hardest thing I have ever done but the end result will be the best.

[Don'tHate742]

"this way I am more surprised and happier with the game"

I understand this logic, since it's kinda like not listening to sample tracks of your favorite artist so you can be blown away by the album.

However (you knew it was coming), this is a game were talking about....a Zelda game. Most of the what is shown now or later won't spoil any of the surprises in the game. Maybe it's just my excuse, but seeing trailers, clips, and reading previews only get me more excited, not more depressed about not feeling the geniune surprise.

[stevey]

Who says goron are good they can be evil or took over by a gost( from the 2 trailer )to be evil and link doesn't want to kill him but to save him or he stoping link from entering the volcano there on or testing him if he wothy of something.

[kirby_killer_dedede]

I don't care about surprise, imo it doesn't take away from the expereince of playing the game.

Anyway.

Yeah, Stevey, we know the Goron's a bad guy, unless he's training Link or Zelda's gone Rogue Agent on us.

[couchmonkey]

Anybody seen the artwork of the town characters on Games Are Fun?  The toddler with the tiny eyebrows is freakin' creepy, but I'm glad to see the game retains some of the fantasy / cartoony style from previous Legend of Zelda games instead of going for all-out realism.

[Robotor]

One of my favorite things about windwaker was the great character design.  When I saw those little kids it made me happy, just because of the cartoonish style of them.  I really hope this game doesn't go all out realism, the puppet gannon fight was really surreal, and I want more enemys like that.  This game really doesn't have realistic graphics, just very pretty ones, and more accesible ones.

Cannot wait, is there a definitive release date yet?  Or do we have to wait the eons till E3 to know?

[Bill Aurion]

Well it'd make sense to release the game around the time of the XBox 360 launch...(Want Reggie character artwork NOW)

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

I bet the Reggie character gives Rink advice about how to KICK ASS.

[KnowsNothing]

*Link gains wooden sword!*

*Reggie jumps in, takes the sword, and hands Rink the Reggie Mask*

"This is all you'll need to KICK ASS."

[Don'tHate742]

What the hell is with all the Reggie icons?

It's MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...ahem...

If the boars and goblin beasts are any indication, it looks like WindWaker inspirations' made their way into the game.

[nemo_83]

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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
What the hell is with all the Reggie icons?

It's MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


...ahem...

If the boars and goblin beasts are any indication, it looks like WindWaker inspirations' made their way into the game.

check out general chat.  its time to put on those rubby red a$$ kicking boots.

[mantidor]

oh god, I feel like a pariah for not having a Reggie icon lol

as far as I know, the evil guys in the Zelda series have always been pig-like, their first appearance wasnt in the Wind waker.  The nice looking purple smoke that comes out when you kill an enemy is indeed Wind waker inspiration though.

[Hostile Creation]

Yeah, Moblins have always been boarish.  I'm not sure how far they date back, but they were probably in the original.  I know for a fact they were in Link's Awakening, and I'm pretty darn sure they were in A Link to the Past.  Only appeared briefly in Ocarina of Time (hedgegrow maze to the Forest Temple, those huge muthas that spear-charged you), and I don't think they were in Majora's Mask at all.  Appeared again in Wind Waker.  Though Bokoblins (goblin guys, I guess this is what you meant) made their debut in Wind Waker and they (or something similar) appear to be back.

[Bill Aurion]

Moblins were pigs for the first time in Wind Waker...In the previous versions Moblins were (bull)dog-like...

[Hostile Creation]

They were in some, yeah, but they were pig-like in Link's Awakening (they had two moblins in LA, one in the mountains and one in the forest.  Mountain Moblins were distinctly pig-like, whereas forest moblins seemed to be a mix of dog and pig (though they looked like tigers to me for forever)), Ocarina of Time, and Ganon has almost always been portrayed as pig-like (and moblins are his main minions).
In Link to the Past and other games they seem to have shared characteristics.  I figured they were generally accepted to be pigs, though.

Edit: They seemed to be a perfect hybrid in the original (from the artwork, they have a bulldog mouth but a very pig-like snout).  Some games bounced back and forth on emphasis, and they ended up being primarily pigs (as of Wind Waker and Minish Cap).

[Ian Sane]

If you look in the manual for the original Legend of Zelda the picture of a Moblin looks like a cross between a bulldog and a pig.  It clearly has a pig snout but the rest of the face is very dog like.  In Zelda II they're bulldogs outright.  There are two kinds in Link's Awakening like HC said and Wind Waker is the first one where they're universally pigs.  Ideally I would figure that like Orcs in Lord of the Rings there are different races of Moblins with different characteristics.

But then this is Zelda, a series infamous for having such poor continuity you would think each game was made by different people.  The timeline already doesn't make any sense and Zoras for some reason completely changed their appearance in Ocarina of Time so realistically Moblins aren't a high priority.  Nintendo doesn't care if new Zelda games are consistent with the old ones so we might as well not waste our time trying to justify stuff that doesn't make sense.

[Mr. Segali]

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Originally posted by: Hostile Creation

Edit: They seemed to be a perfect hybrid in the original (from the artwork, they have a bulldog mouth but a very pig-like snout).  Some games bounced back and forth on emphasis, and they ended up being primarily pigs (as of Wind Waker and Minish Cap).

Yeah, but in WW they sorta "animalized" all the badguys. Look at the Wizrobes... they were frickin' toucans. Even the Stalfos didn't seem that human-like. I think that was just a theme they were going for in WW (and Minish Cap just followed suit). I think moblins were intended to be pig/bulldog hybrids like in the previous games.

[Bill Aurion]

Oh what...I have no idea what I was thinking  Yeah, it seems that Ninty can't seem to decide whether Moblins are dogs are pigs...

LoZ - Bulldog
AoL - Bulldog
LttP - Bulldog & Pig (I've personally always thought the spike-headed soldiers in the Dark World were dog-like)
LA - Bulldog & Pig
Ocarina of Time - Bulldog
Oracles - Bulldog & Pig
Wind Waker - Pig
Minish Cap - Pig
Zelda XII - Pig (for now)

Due to the recent trend, it's likely that Ninty has finally chosen pig-like characteristics...

[Pepsolman]

I just received this month's EGM mag... the new Zelda is on the cover of course with some interesting stuff inside...

I do notice when the newest director was confronted by the question about the graphical style chosen for Wind Waker, there really wasn't a straight answer except for that it is used for a purpose... and it is admitted that it has caused question and caused lots of fans to stray.

He does show disappointment in the fact that there were many who never even played Wind Waker because of the questioned graphics. They do exsists... many of them... and very frustrated. There are great reasons for this and it should be understood by even the hardcore Zelda fans, instead of bashing those who think different.

I am a zelda fan because I like the characters, the story, the sounds... all of these have their roots...

But it is like a Mustang... make it look like a Honda and it just doesn't seem the same. Yet, still some will buy it for the simple fact that it is a Mustang.

And seeing this latest turn is an obvious exception to the problem. They know what sells. And believe tormenting us first was an extra boost to make this next Zelda sell.  

[Hostile Creation]

What the hell are you talking about?

Anyway, it does have a purpose.  The game was supposed to feel whismical, it's a reflection of childhood, it made the game seem lighter in accordance with the wind theme, and the developers wanted to experiment with a new, beautiful style.
Either way, I have every right to ridicule idiots who whine about the graphics.  "I like mature grafix and have no artistic taste and OoT rocks because everyone else thinks so."

[mantidor]

Yeah, I read the transcript of the interview and unless it was terribly messed up Aunoma gave a direct answer: The cel-shading reflects Link as child character, when making Zelda games the team, director and producer(s) look forward for it to have artistic integrity and that everything makes sense when put together. Im not going to bash you, but if what makes you a Zelda fan was OoT and what makes you anti Zelda suddenly was tWW you have to realize that you might not be fan of the game to start with, because every bit of the Zelda experience was in tWW, it was right there, I cant see how you could miss it for just a graphical presentation.  

[PaLaDiN]

"there were many who never even played Wind Waker because of the questioned graphics. They do exsists... many of them... and very frustrated. There are great reasons for this"

I think he just indirectly admitted to not even playing the game.

Ignore the baseless garbage he parades as an opinion.

[IceCold]

I would, but I need to get something off my chest:

"But it is like a Mustang... make it look like a Honda and it just doesn't seem the same. Yet, still some will buy it for the simple fact that it is a Mustang."

What in the name of hell are you talking about. "make it look like a Honda??" tWW's graphics were beautiful - it's more like making it look like a special edition Mustang