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RE: 1 Million People Are Using Xbox Live
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2004, 11:26:07 AM »
"if it were me id just put resturaunts and billboards in the game and advertisers could pay the online bill. Just think Network television is free."

Well that's doable with some games but it would look pretty f*cking dumb in any sort of fantasy game.  Well I think I'll go save Wendy™ from that White Castle™ over there.  I'll get there faster if I ride my trusty Ford Mustang™.

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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2004, 06:33:57 PM »
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if it were me id just put resturaunts and billboards in the game and advertisers could pay the online bill. Just think Network television is free.

In a real-world realistic looking game like GTA or GT, it wouldn't look out of place.  But like Ian said, in a fantasy setting, it'll look so out of place.  And might perhaps ruin the gaming experience.

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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2004, 12:23:08 AM »
Banner ads in the server browser? If match making is all you offer, that should cover your expenses. Gamespy still exists, after all.

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2004, 05:24:52 AM »
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The online market is expanding!
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2004, 12:55:21 PM »
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if it were me id just put resturaunts and billboards in the game and advertisers could pay the online bill. Just think Network television is free.


Well yea that would help, they already do that for almost all the car racing games.  Including many online ones, but maybe you mean that the billboards would change periodically like in real life with new advertisers?  I honestly don't see why Mcdonalds doesn't jump in and have a real life Mcdonalds with most of the menu in say next generation games like GTA (6).  Although it would result in the character getting obese quickly.  

1 important fact is that it took AOL 3 times as long as it did Xbox Live to reach 1 million users...  Ofcourse people will argue but yea you only needed 56k for AOL...  BUT you need broadband for Xbox Live... (negates the 56k argument basically).  Then think of how many more computers there were in the world when AOL started compared to how many Xbox have been sold...  When you think of it that way, and it took AOL 3 times as long, now the statistics for XBL sound pretty good...
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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2004, 10:08:25 PM »
In GTASA you can already get fat from eating too much fast food...

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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2004, 07:39:48 AM »
In a fantasy setting you could get companies like Wizards of the Coast in there.  

If it looks a bit too modern then of course they're going to find some artist to fix that.  In the beginning of a game you can show White Castle logo or something and within the game the white castle and food will look more middle age.
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« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2004, 09:12:19 AM »
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1 important fact is that it took AOL 3 times as long as it did Xbox Live to reach 1 million users... Ofcourse people will argue but yea you only needed 56k for AOL... BUT you need broadband for Xbox Live... (negates the 56k argument basically). Then think of how many more computers there were in the world when AOL started compared to how many Xbox have been sold... When you think of it that way, and it took AOL 3 times as long, now the statistics for XBL sound pretty good...


No, no the statistics don't sound good- it sounds like you're going out of your way to compare two completely different events in a desperate attempt to justify this. What a horrible analogy.
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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2004, 03:49:43 PM »
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1 important fact is that it took AOL 3 times as long as it did Xbox Live to reach 1 million users... Ofcourse people will argue but yea you only needed 56k for AOL... BUT you need broadband for Xbox Live... (


MS, you're right, but dont be nasty about it.

The difference here is that AOL pretty much introduced the whole online craze to America...whereas xbox live came at a time when EVERYONE is connected already and broadband connections are suddenly becoming more and more common. What I mean is AOL built from the ground up while Live! had a foundation already set in place, so such an argument is pretty inconsequential.
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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2004, 10:43:12 PM »
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1 important fact is that it took AOL 3 times as long as it did Xbox Live to reach 1 million users... Ofcourse people will argue but yea you only needed 56k for AOL... BUT you need broadband for Xbox Live... (negates the 56k argument basically). Then think of how many more computers there were in the world when AOL started compared to how many Xbox have been sold... When you think of it that way, and it took AOL 3 times as long, now the statistics for XBL sound pretty good...


No, no the statistics don't sound good- it sounds like you're going out of your way to compare two completely different events in a desperate attempt to justify this. What a horrible analogy.


Actually what I said is exactly what Microsoft said in their press releases/conferences...  It's been posted on many websites.  LINK HERE

KDR I was saying 'Although it would result in the character getting obese quickly.' as a bad thing for Mcdonalds if they were in GTA(6), I know about the feature in GTASA, I was the first to post about that feature in the forums actually... back in may.
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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2004, 10:50:07 PM »
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Actually what I said is exactly what Microsoft said in their press releases/conferences...  It's been posted on many websites.  LINK HERE


Sorry for lashing out at you then. That doesn't make it any better, though- in fact, it makes it worse. Why should MS feel the need to justify their own statistics? And why were they forced to do so with such a poor analogy?



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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2004, 04:27:39 PM »
I think the people accussing the artical of spinning the truth, are more guilty of trying to spin this artical into something negative, themselves.

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« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2004, 06:44:45 PM »
yeah id have it so that the ads change periodically, and certain adds cost mroe then others...as far as a fantasy setting...i think pizza hut or Burger King could fit in..hehehe. It is possible to adapt an add for soemthing into any sort of setting..remember when the flinstones movie came out...Rockdonalds...

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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2004, 02:18:51 PM »
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Sorry for lashing out at you then. That doesn't make it any better, though- in fact, it makes it worse. Why should MS feel the need to justify their own statistics? And why were they forced to do so with such a poor analogy?


It's just showing how well their service is doing, which is really only evident by comparisons.  It's just like (charts, graphs, statistics), you can't paint a good picture without comparisons.  I find the analogy a perfect one.  If you're going to compare your service to another one, why not choose the closest things?  AOL & HBO (forgot to mention HBO before) for comparison, both of which are pay services that you get through wired connections.  (same as XBLive)
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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2004, 02:31:40 PM »
It's still no good.  A better comparison would be to the first MMORPG, Blizzars battle.net service, or something similar.  Those were built around money in online gaming, not around the fledgling internet.

The fact that AOL did so good was because the competition around it was utterly pathetic in comparison.  Besides, comparing AOL to Xbox live! has one obvious thing I find funny.  Do you expect Xbox live to plummet in popularity?  Do you expect it to drag microsoft down into debt?  

When you make a comparison you set yourself up for it.

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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2004, 02:40:17 PM »
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It's still no good.  A better comparison would be to the first MMORPG, Blizzars battle.net service, or something similar.  Those were built around money in online gaming, not around the fledgling internet.

The fact that AOL did so good was because the competition around it was utterly pathetic in comparison.  Besides, comparing AOL to Xbox live! has one obvious thing I find funny.  Do you expect Xbox live to plummet in popularity?  Do you expect it to drag microsoft down into debt?  

When you make a comparison you set yourself up for it.


Why would a better comparison be Blizzards Bnet?  It's free...  The fact that you said AOL did so good, only makes XBL look even better...  

Who is to say that XBL will follow AOL's course and plummet, you can't predict the future.  AOL did not stay with the times, something MS probably won't fall into anyways, given that they virtually set the times with their operating systems on the other end of computers.  All 3 companies (HBO, AOL, XBL) provide very similar services in the same ways (through cable/phone lines, etc) that is why they make a good comparision.
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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2004, 04:01:39 PM »
I was pointing out the irony of your comparison.  You compared AOL to Xbox Live, I just continued your comparison.
Either way, I don't really care.  Your comparison doesn't take into consideration a lot of important  facts, for instant market demand at time, consumer willingness to buy end, comparison between market recognition, etc. etc.  It's hard to honestly make a fair comparison between anything.  Statistics and comparisons mean nothing if they don't compare  honestly.

Edit:  Wow, are you kidding me?  They use the same basic fiber/copper paths so they are similar?  Lets compare desktop sales to servers now because they are all fabbed with the same basic machinery.  Lets compare Windows 2003 Database to Linspire because they are both printed on cds.  The way something is transported has nothing to do with the actual business model.  

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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2004, 11:21:55 AM »
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Edit:  Wow, are you kidding me?  They use the same basic fiber/copper paths so they are similar?  Lets compare desktop sales to servers now because they are all fabbed with the same basic machinery.  Lets compare Windows 2003 Database to Linspire because they are both printed on cds.  The way something is transported has nothing to do with the actual business model.


What planet are you from?  LOL  Please...  It's not just the way they're transported to you...  It's that, that is how the business works, they are all similar in how they provide the content to you and how you pay for that content (provided through fiber cables/wirelessly and you pay a monthly fee).  It's like comparing cable tv to satellite tv.  You comparing desktops to servers because they use the same machinery is the worst analogy I've heard in my life in regards to it pertaining to what I had said.  Keep trying to reverse the angle into something it's not because you have a personal hatred to MS.  And tell them that their comparisons are absolute BS.  Goto their website and email them.
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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2004, 11:37:27 AM »
Wow.  Someone defending PR as truth. Just wow.  I guess you missed all the microsoft funded surveys they used to prop up questionable accounts of Linux being absurdly expensive.

I just have one to say about you defending ANY PR as fact.

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I can argue the aol thing to xbox live the same way.  Well a server chip is basically the same as any other cpu, more cache and a modified ISA in the high end are the only real differences.  The point of my example was to show how ludicrous and simple minded comparing cable, telephone, and all other similar services fair game to compare.  Well, by your logic, all services that are sold as an extra fee that invole those three should be comparable.  Lets do this: since hbo is a pay service, compare it to a pornography network.  Both use the same basic idea (monthly fees, usually paid via credit card) and are received over an internet or data service.  This so far, as much as I can surmise is the same basic logic.

Is breaking 1 million users faster than x company in a different time and different field a fair example?  If you honestly think so, do us all a favor, take a college stats class.  It will bore you out of your mind, but you won't have the appearance of someone talking for the sake of talking.

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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2004, 11:50:12 AM »
I did take a college stats class, and I enjoyed it.  You must not believe anything companies PR say then, not even Nintendo themself.  But you sure act like you do.  Don't be a hypocrite.  Let me ask you this, if you were Microsoft what would you have compared their Xbox Live user amount to?  I say yea that comparing to HBO and AOL isn't a perfect comparison but it's close enough, it's the best you could do for comparison.  Now why would Battlenet be good, when it's free?  Or why would the first MMORPG be good, when it's only 1 game, and a genre only a specific few like?  And if you're so sure that XBLive did not reach 1 million 3 times as fast as HBO, or AOL, prove it with some justifiable links.
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« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2004, 02:14:16 PM »
Your missing the point here, there is nothing worth really comparing xbox live to.  As far as I know, it is the only gaming service that required a ludicrous fee to survive.  (Oh yes, I am a fanboy, which is why I spend more time playing pc games than I play new gamecube games.  Unless you are calling me a pc gamer fanboy, in which case, I can only laugh)

A better example is one that is atleast in the same genre.  A game that has a similar cost, similar concept, that was successful is a fair comparison here.  Well if you want to compare xbox live fairly you need to find another company that can call losing money everywhere and calling it a big success.  

Actually I have one fair comparison, How many people are on ps2 online.  Last time I checked it was more than xbox.  Does it cost anything?  Up to developers.  Is it more fair than my origonal ones?  Yeah, if you can find something more fair, please enlighten us with it.

Do I hate microsoft?  Not particularly, but that doesn't mean I have to love them.  Nor do I think I should.  If you are somehow trying to imply that I felatio nintendo for liking some of their games, thats just stupid.  Am I mad Nintendo doesn't atleast try to do something with online?  Would I like to not have to spend 400 dollars to buy other consoles so I can atleast play games I enjoy?

I obviously constitute a fanboy.

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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2004, 10:26:20 PM »
I just want to quickly say that I just signed up for a 2 month demo of Live!  The only reason was so that I can download and play the new Hurricane Pack for Ninja Gaiden.  I'll cancel Live! immediately after I get Hurricane Pack 2 next month when it comes out.

Even with a free account, I do not seem to want to play games online.  Maybe it's because of the games I have.  *meh*
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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2004, 10:31:13 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2004, 10:07:17 AM »
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2004, 09:32:29 PM »
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Your missing the point here, there is nothing worth really comparing xbox live to.  As far as I know, it is the only gaming service that required a ludicrous fee to survive.  (Oh yes, I am a fanboy, which is why I spend more time playing pc games than I play new gamecube games.  Unless you are calling me a pc gamer fanboy, in which case, I can only laugh)



It's a company, and like all companies they need to say things in their PR to it known they have done something well.  So, it's natural for them to make a comparison.  They did the smart thing.  I don't see $70 a year (That includes a new game and a headset microphone) as a ludicrous fee at all.  It's a very fair fee.  The game is 20 bucks atleast right there, and the microphone is another 30.  So people are paying 20 bucks a year for the best online service.  That's less than 2 dollars a month.  MMMORPGS are what I constitute as ludicrous, charging 12 bucks a month.  A fanboy isn't necessarily someone who plays a certain system, it's more so someone who defends another system or company like it's the holy grail.  I don't recall calling you a fanboy either.
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