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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2020, 07:20:04 PM »
There finished my thoughts on all the players in the game and you can find it in the 2nd post in the thread and comment on it or you can continue to talk about how the game played out. 

I am all ears.
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2020, 07:45:22 PM »
Stevey kinda left us hanging when he turned me since I was certain that his plan from than on out would fail and Lolmonade was unavailable for day 7 so it was basically on me to try to chart a path to victory. I wanna thank lolmonade for going along with my stupid scheme I concocted.

You never gave me a chance to work out a plan and rushed to restore your vote for no reason whatsoever. You could have just left it off and played it off as fishing for information from me with the remaining time.

Then you kept throwing the game on purpose the following days.

I only skimmed it so I didn't pick up on it

You also seem to have skimmed each day's thread and missed the fact we could keep neighborizing even after having 3 members. I told you were wrong and cited BS post but you still refused to change your vote on day 6.

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2020, 08:05:05 PM »
Thanks for hosting BeautifulShy, good streamlined sequel to your previous one.

I liked how Ashford could turn people during the Day to get earlier access to a Night hit. (Apologies to people who didn't realise this; I'm partially to blame here since I purposefully pushed a wrong narrative on multiple occassions how Neighbourise only happened at Night. Sorry you had to keep pointing out my lie there, B-Shy.)

Helluva late game swerve from Team Townie though! I was sure it'd end in an Ashford v. Wesker standoff. Major props to Mop It Up, Nickmitch, Mr. Bungle and Tophatant (sorry I suspected you).

I wasn't very active on this one unfortunatrly and outright missed 2 days before getting killed. Pokepal played very smart I thought, certainly tricked me - I only realised their plan once I died. That'd be my MVP nomination.



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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2020, 08:29:26 PM »
You know when I came up with the Alexia Ashford role in my previous Resident Evil Mafia game I had intended it to mess with actions of the players during the night so that players actions were going to be directed to other players and investigators, Mafia Hits and any other actions could be directed to someone else but with not enough signups for last game I had to cut it,  so for this game I read a bit of lore on the game Resident Evil Code Veronica X and there was some instances in the lore where Alexia Ashford could draw people/ bugs and all manner of entities to her and I thought that was perfect for this game with the standard Mafia team in the OG Mafia and the standard roles and lots of townies it could be great to have a limited Mafia to start and grow as the game went on. 

Also before someone points something out the Alexia role is very similar to Mafia XXX Hawtness and Smash Brothers Brawfia with the changing roles and capture mechanics both hosted by stevey.  So when I randomized the roles and players for this game and stevey got Alexia I was like " this is too perfect and too obvious. Should I rerole or not?" I decided against it and see what stevey could do with the role. Purely incidental on my part he had that role.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2020, 08:36:14 PM »
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So much history this game has why do people get upset when there is some variation to the rules
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Steve Burnside: This is the Doctor for the game.  Steve will be able to protect someone from death each night. He can protect someone else as many times as he likes and he also has a limited amount of self protects which will be 2 for the whole game.  Steve is not the best protector as a character but he is willing to save anyone he is able to.
If Insanolord knew it wasn't either poke or mop, I doubt he would have hit any of the three and picked a random townie.
There is also the and in there after the first part meaning Steve can protect someone aside from himself and he can protect himself.

POLL: Who among the players realized this meant 2 protections?

I'll admit that I never saw that twist coming. Thought it was single protections each night for the doctor.

But as I recall, in your first Mafia game as host (Mafia 18) you kept the roles pretty vague from the players and in fact didn't reveal a lot of them until the game was already under way while not fully explaining their complete abilities. The host of Mafia 18 never communicated all the variations to the players either. As you put it,

I agree completely with thatguy, barely anyone plays as they used too. They all want to do is to be handed the win from Khush or a investigator instead of thinking and figuring out who. I was try to make a game were the player had think why people were dieing, why the game not over, and what kind of role can be out there. It wouldn't have been that big of a leap to figure out something not right on day 14(12) when everyone with a known role was left that maybe some of the zombie were evil, but no you just wanted to end the game and that why the townies lost. I'm glad at the outcome. (not execution)

It seems that BeautifulShy followed in that line of thinking with this game of trying to make the players reason more and not be able to rely just on the investigator since players could be turned to mafia later. Thus, they had to wonder what kind of roles were out there and how many. I don't get why stevey seems to be mad now with this game. He should be happy that he's inspired other hosts to follow his example and his groundbreaking Mafia Hosting ideas.

Which includes the host changing the rules a bit during the game. Again, going back to stevey's Mafia 18 that he was hosting, he had this rule change which I remembered because it affected me personally at the time:

Also a side note the town whore #3 role is going to be change a little (d@mn khush getting alway getting luckly, he must be cheating!) The whore can only use his power 3 times on the same person.

That info basically revealed that I was correctly targeting the Godfather hit so now I knew that and the Godfather knew who had been blocking their power thus the host revealed some spoiler info into the game.

I guess you can just chalk these things up to Host's Privilege.  ;)

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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2020, 08:52:24 PM »
Helluva late game swerve from Team Townie though! I was sure it'd end in an Ashford v. Wesker standoff. Major props to Mop It Up, Nickmitch, Mr. Bungle and Tophatant (sorry I suspected you).

Same. Especially when I was voted out Day 4 instead of Stevey and Stevey had told me he was Mafia. Then Alexia got the second successful turning and I thought it was going to take the mafia whacking each other in hits for the townies to succeed then.

Alexia mafia probably should have won this game in the end because townies and OG mafia were losing members while it kept gaining and growing in power. The big mistake was turning pokepal148 on Day 6. That was the worst person for the Alexia Mafia to choose because it had been established on Day 3 that he was the one player who could easily be exposed if he was turned. If nickmitch or Mop it up or heck, even Insanolord had been turned, the only way to prove it would be to vote them out or re-investigate if they'd been investigated before (except nickmitch). Had stevey chosen anyone of Steefosaurus, Mr. Bungle, Insanolord, TOPHATANT123, Nickmitch, or Mop it up then there is a good chance this game goes down to the last day of like 3 townies and 1 mafia member and can the players still trust their allies or wonder which has been turned.

(Insanolord a bit less but that is because we now know after the fact that detective was working through players and by Day 6 was still planning on investigating and checking up lolmonade and Insanolord. Thus, Insanolord would have lost the townie hiding ability if turned so detective may have been able to still successfully play things out as they did with pokepal's turning. Had Insanolord been vetted earlier than that might have been more difficult and a longer endgame.)

As I told pokepal148 in a pm after he revealed himself as Leon on Day 3:

Oddly, I think you are a bigger threat to the Ashford mafia since you can confirm your townie ability each day with your message. If you can't message then we know you've turned. This means Ashford mafia cannot successfully turn you without exposing you've been turned right after doing it. Therefore, it is better for them to eliminate you if they can to keep townies from being able to fully trust anyone. If I'm still in the game, I can be accused of having been turned and part of the mafia or have doubt spread about me. On the other hand, I'm probably more dangerous to the Wesker mafia since I need to eliminate them whether I'm a townie or if I was around to be turned by the Ashford mafia. Even though you are now a known townie, you are pretty much stuck in your role and don't have a major power that can expose them or thwart their hit. Thus, it may not be a high priority to eliminate you tonight. But who knows what sort of logic they are using?


That one bad choice by Stevey ended the chances for the Alexia mafia after getting so far into the game and close to the win.

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2020, 09:04:34 PM »
With the pokepal turn there was a way around it to make it nearly fool proof.  Day 6.  Pokepal uses their encryptor role and I post the message, Then stevey could turn pokepal and there would be some sort of barrier because the encriptor used the role and perhaps because of the report that pokepal had with the townies from before the townies maybe they don't think about it too much and direct their votes elsewhere and pokepal gathers info from other players while being a double agent. 

 That is the other thing that I was aiming for was unknowns on who to trust and players playing both sides of the coin with the Alexia role and their previous side and possibly aim the vote away from their team while gaining more and more members as the game went on.

I personally think stevey turned pokepal because pokepal was the majority vote and it allowed some breathing room and not the voteout of stevey.  Also the comments by pokepal after turning was fairly good since on the day of the ThePerm/ Khushrenada  voteout pokepal paused the day to get more info from someone and do some more digging. 

I very well could be wrong about stevey's intent behind the pokepal turn and would love to hear from him.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2020, 09:05:32 PM »
By the way, I'm curious, what method was used to determine if a convert was successful? Pretty crazy it worked all three times.

It's funny how we had a game the Mafia should have won right after we had a game the townies should have won!

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2020, 09:11:54 PM »
I had two methods I had started with. Flipping a coin and it being heads would be a successful convert.  Also no double headed coins.   The other method was a little bit complex but fairly simple. I used this site. https://www.random.org/lists/  In the list I typed in Neighborize and in the second line No Neighborize.  I randomized it. Whichever of the two was the 1st on the list was the choice.  I did that 5 times and noted the 1st option and whichever of the two got to 3 points first was the choice. 
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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2020, 09:12:19 PM »
Stevey kinda left us hanging when he turned me since I was certain that his plan from than on out would fail and Lolmonade was unavailable for day 7 so it was basically on me to try to chart a path to victory. I wanna thank lolmonade for going along with my stupid scheme I concocted.

You never gave me a chance to work out a plan and rushed to restore your vote for no reason whatsoever. You could have just left it off and played it off as fishing for information from me with the remaining time.


If you recruited the one player in the game who can verify their identity and didn't have a plan than you deserved to get  burned for it.
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2020, 09:15:22 PM »
With the pokepal turn there was a way around it to make it nearly fool proof.  Day 6.  Pokepal uses their encryptor role and I post the message, Then stevey could turn pokepal and there would be some sort of barrier because the encriptor used the role and perhaps because of the report that pokepal had with the townies from before the townies maybe they don't think about it too much and direct their votes elsewhere and pokepal gathers info from other players while being a double agent. 
As I said on discord DMs yesterday: Nobody cares about if I used my encryption than because of the fact that Stevey could have done it after I submitted an encryption.

It's why whenever you do your next game you should just make the encryptor outright immune to neighborisation.
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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2020, 09:20:48 PM »
With the pokepal turn there was a way around it to make it nearly fool proof.  Day 6.  Pokepal uses their encryptor role and I post the message, Then stevey could turn pokepal and there would be some sort of barrier because the encriptor used the role and perhaps because of the report that pokepal had with the townies from before the townies maybe they don't think about it too much and direct their votes elsewhere and pokepal gathers info from other players while being a double agent. 
As I said on discord DMs yesterday: Nobody cares about if I used my encryption than because of the fact that Stevey could have done it after I submitted an encryption.

It's why whenever you do your next game you should just make the encryptor outright immune to neighborisation.
I am noting that improvement for the next game I host. 
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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2020, 11:34:52 PM »
You also seem to have skimmed each day's thread and missed the fact we could keep neighborizing even after having 3 members. I told you were wrong and cited BS post but you still refused to change your vote on day 6.


That wasn't even my issue with your plan. My issue with your plan was that it basically assumes that Nickmitch and Mop it Up are idiots who wouldn't notice that we're blatantly trying to keep stevey alive at all costs so he can neighborize more people, which having worked with them for most of this game and having watched them thwart my stupid scheme, I can assure you is not the case.

I just do not believe there was any better course of action than voting you out for townie cred and taking matters into my own hands.
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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2020, 11:50:59 PM »
Especially when I was voted out Day 4 instead of Stevey and Stevey had told me he was Mafia.
You're reading too much into it. I would always be happy to see you in mortal danger and die regardless of what my role and your role were. :evil;
Alexia mafia probably should have won this game in the end because townies and OG mafia were losing members while it kept gaining and growing in power. The big mistake was turning pokepal148 on Day 6. That was the worst person for the Alexia Mafia to choose because it had been established on Day 3 that he was the one player who could easily be exposed if he was turned. If nickmitch or Mop it up or heck, even Insanolord had been turned, the only way to prove it would be to vote them out or re-investigate if they'd been investigated before (except nickmitch). Had stevey chosen anyone of Steefosaurus, Mr. Bungle, Insanolord, TOPHATANT123, Nickmitch, or Mop it up then there is a good chance this game goes down to the last day of like 3 townies and 1 mafia member and can the players still trust their allies or wonder which has been turned.

(Insanolord a bit less but that is because we now know after the fact that detective was working through players and by Day 6 was still planning on investigating and checking up lolmonade and Insanolord. Thus, Insanolord would have lost the townie hiding ability if turned so detective may have been able to still successfully play things out as they did with pokepal's turning. Had Insanolord been vetted earlier than that might have been more difficult and a longer endgame.)

As I told pokepal148 in a pm after he revealed himself as Leon on Day 3:

Oddly, I think you are a bigger threat to the Ashford mafia since you can confirm your townie ability each day with your message. If you can't message then we know you've turned. This means Ashford mafia cannot successfully turn you without exposing you've been turned right after doing it. Therefore, it is better for them to eliminate you if they can to keep townies from being able to fully trust anyone. If I'm still in the game, I can be accused of having been turned and part of the mafia or have doubt spread about me. On the other hand, I'm probably more dangerous to the Wesker mafia since I need to eliminate them whether I'm a townie or if I was around to be turned by the Ashford mafia. Even though you are now a known townie, you are pretty much stuck in your role and don't have a major power that can expose them or thwart their hit. Thus, it may not be a high priority to eliminate you tonight. But who knows what sort of logic they are using?


That one bad choice by Stevey ended the chances for the Alexia mafia after getting so far into the game and close to the win.

I was about to neighborize Nickmitch since I already figured he was the investigator days prior and probably hadn't investigated lolmonade yet. Then I second thought myself. The problem was he probably didn't have many people left that he didn't investigate so if he didn't actually find the last member of the OG mafia or gave false info, he would be found out. I could have gone for the townies but they would be on the short list of who to re-investigate and vote for. Mop, nope. Pokepal, .... Pokepal! Sure he could be found out but wouldn't that be no different than not neighborizing and placing a hit? Except we wouldn't need to worry about mop's protection and it would be one less vote out that could have gone to one of us or Insanolord. Then the townies would lose their unifying member and doubt would run rampant. Plus, I could turn the vote and save myself potentially giving me another neighborization. At that point I was sold.

Turns out I was right about Nickmitch. By day 6, the only players he didn't investigate was Insanolord and lolmonade. All I needed to do was decide whether to betray Insanolord and gain daily neighborization powers or stick with with my original plan of annexing him and go after someone else. Pokepal took this momentary indecision for who to swing the vote towards as 'I don't have a clue', rage/panic voted me, got rid of Insanolord anyway which removed suspicion on plain townies, and then picked a fight with the second most public townie Mop.

I wish so things could have gone differently.
If Insanolord and lolmonade last minute voted on day 5 and place a hit on a random townie, we would have won 4-4 on day 6 by neighborizing Insanolord. But I understand how they were put off by the risk.
If pokepal could have fucking waited a few hours on day 6....
If pokepal didn't hastily kill Insanolord on day 7, a mafia could have at least won.
Instead of picking a public betrayal fight with Mop on day 8, Poke should have convinced Mop and Nickmitch to not vote immediately for lolmonade but rather use him to smoke out the last turned townie since numbers and time weren't on your side. Each of them should have voted for a random townie and then lolmonade would go out of his way to swing it away from one. Since Poke didn't start the vote, the townie being set up by lolmonade wouldn't likely be throwing accusations that Poke has been turned. Poke could have explained his bizarre informant post on day 7 by saying he promised not to go after lolmonade nor tell the townies his role but it's not poke's fault that they already knew :P. It's deceptive/devious/Khushrenada-esque but it could have worked.
If I just went with the boring conventional pick of a townie rather than trying to inject more chaos/entertainment/surprise.
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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2020, 12:13:35 AM »
You also seem to have skimmed each day's thread and missed the fact we could keep neighborizing even after having 3 members. I told you were wrong and cited BS post but you still refused to change your vote on day 6.


That wasn't even my issue with your plan. My issue with your plan was that it basically assumes that Nickmitch and Mop it Up are idiots who wouldn't notice that we're blatantly trying to keep stevey alive at all costs so he can neighborize more people, which having worked with them for most of this game and having watched them thwart my stupid scheme, I can assure you is not the case.

I just do not believe there was any better course of action than voting you out for townie cred and taking matters into my own hands.

There were plenty of ways to spin the vote. What possible evidence did you guys have that I was Alexia? A justification you could have told them is that I revealed that I was actually Wesker and wanted revenge on Alexia (Insanolord) for taking both my henchmen Luigi Dude and lolmonade. Since this confirms what they already knew and fits in with my personality of vendettas, there's a good chance they would have fell for it. They could want to stick with me but if it was the truth then that would mean Insanolord/Alexia would get another Neighborization the next day which would be game over and too dangerous to ignore.

Another option is that you're just seconding guessing yourself of why you're going after me after speaking to me.

It's why whenever you do your next game you should just make the encryptor outright immune to neighborisation.

There's no point in encrypting messages if the sender and message are known :P. Rather in the next game, give the mafia the power to instantly kill the encryptor at any time if they guess their identity. But if they guess wrong, they lose a henchman (like a reverse vigilante). Then there is a reason to keep the encryptor identity hidden. Otherwise the doctor can always protect them and they just become a known townie role. This has been a problem in other games and it's time to fix it.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2020, 12:16:02 AM »
I saw you quoting and posting that message for a while so I am glad you got to put your thoughts out there stevey.   

As to why players thought you were Alexia it was probably because of how many normal townies that were investigated and how few players were still alive from those investigations as the first 4 days there was a townie vote out and one OG Mafia hit on GK on Day 1 so the normal townie numbers were down to 3 normal townies as the game started by Day 5. The game started with 8 normal townies. You were investigated on Day 5 and of the remaining players alive from those investigations that were down to you, Mr. Bungle and TOPHATANT123 were alive when Day 6 roled around so it was somewhat of a guess but also because there was so few places to hide since there was so few normal townies alive in the game.  I mean in all likelihood for a player that is a townie voting out the Godfather of either faction would be good for them so they can focus on the remaining possible Mafia members in the Ashford Mafia or the OG Mafia.
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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2020, 12:27:31 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2020, 12:37:51 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
The problem is with me being under pressure to deliver an encryption and lolmonade being a known quantity by Nickmitch and Mop it Up we didn't really have time to wait. The longer i went without an encryption the more suspicious it was going to seem. That's why I went AWOL on day 8 was to try to mitigate that.

Also, I wanna move the discussion about Stevey recruiting me on day 6 and my reaction to it to This thread. so we don't clog up the postgame thread.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2020, 12:43:21 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
The problem is with me being under pressure to deliver an encryption and lolmonade being a known quantity by Nickmitch and Mop it Up we didn't really have time to wait. The longer i went without an encryption the more suspicious it was going to seem. That's why I went AWOL on day 8 was to try to mitigate that.
There is a flaw in this thinking going from my example of stevey being voted out. Lolmonade wasn't a known quantity until Day 8. There was some wiggle room to take out a normal townie in the vote and a neighborize on Day 6  and then possibly on Day 7 to implement the strategy.  I do agree with your other points though.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2020, 12:46:13 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
The problem is with me being under pressure to deliver an encryption and lolmonade being a known quantity by Nickmitch and Mop it Up we didn't really have time to wait. The longer i went without an encryption the more suspicious it was going to seem. That's why I went AWOL on day 8 was to try to mitigate that.
There is a flaw in this thinking going from my example of stevey being voted out. Lolmonade wasn't a known quantity until Day 8. There was some wiggle room to take out a normal townie in the vote and a neighborize and then possibly on Day 7 to implement the strategy.  I do agree with your other points though.
No he was a known quantity in day 7 in that he was the only player who wasn't investigated and there was still a Mafia goon out there and because somebody decided to publicly reveal that Wesker was the only remaining member of the standard mafia.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2020, 12:48:37 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
The problem is with me being under pressure to deliver an encryption and lolmonade being a known quantity by Nickmitch and Mop it Up we didn't really have time to wait. The longer i went without an encryption the more suspicious it was going to seem. That's why I went AWOL on day 8 was to try to mitigate that.
There is a flaw in this thinking going from my example of stevey being voted out. Lolmonade wasn't a known quantity until Day 8. There was some wiggle room to take out a normal townie in the vote and a neighborize and then possibly on Day 7 to implement the strategy.  I do agree with your other points though.
No he was a known quantity in day 7 in that he was the only player who wasn't investigated and there was still a Mafia goon out there and because somebody decided to publicly reveal that Wesker was the only remaining member of the standard mafia.
That is fair.  I guess I could have talked about what happened after Alexia was voted out for the rest of the game.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2020, 12:52:03 AM »
That was a stupid situation and Lolmonade being MIA for most of the next day with little more than vague instructions saying to basically try to sway the populace didn't help. I don't begrudge him for anything that happened though. I had that day off from work which gave me time to formulate a strategy for the rest of the game basically from scratch.

The strategy I formulated was as follows.

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Day 7: Vote out Insanolord. I form a townie alliance between myself, TOPHATANT123, Mr. Bungle, and claim to be in contact with the detective and that we basically have the rest of the game mapped out at this point and just need a voting block to help us take out the mafia. I claim that Nickmitch is the one who gave me the information saying that Insanolord is the godfather. I also claim that the detective will join the alliance once it's confirmed that Insanolord is the godfather as my source claims, although he may have to join in sooner if the vote doesn't go our way. If asked about my encrypted message I'll claim that I sent it but that it hasn't been posted yet. Later on after the day ends I claim that I had apparently accidentally sent it to Khushrenada instead which is why the day ended the way it did without the message being posted.


Day 8: Steefosaurous hit. Since Mop it Up will be too busy protecting either herself or Nickmitch we should be able to get away with this.

TOPHATANT123
Nickmitch
Lolmonade
Mr. Bungle
Pokepal148
Mop it Up


Claim that Lolmonade has investigated Nickmitch to find out that he was the one Stevey turned on day 6. I confirm this claim by saying that he was my source on Day 7 and we vote him out. Between the two of us we just need to convince TOPHATANT123 and Mr Bungle to vote with us to reach a majority. We take a hit out on TOPHATANT123 since Mop it Up likely won't protect him and win the game since we're 2 and 2 with the town and Insanolord is dead.

The only real change that was made is that we went after Mop it Up instead during day 8 because getting rid of her would guarantee a win since I didn't know if she actually used her second self protection on day 7 or if she was lying because she was already suspicious that I was turned (I was only aware of the one time she self protected) and was planning to save it as some kind of weird contingency plan.

I basically concocted an entire false narrative of how the game played out. It was stupid fun and I really wish i could have peddled it out in person instead of logging out of the forums, viewing the thread as a guest, and feeding talking points to lolmonade. The whole strategy was basically to keep Nickmitch and Mop it Up talking and point out every logical error or anything we could claim was a lie.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2020, 01:09:29 AM »
I mean, I would think Khushrenada hit the nail on the head in his evaluation. Stevey, you typically play one way, and only one way. From my experience, you rarely talk or strategize with others and you keep a low profile of borderline inactivity. You almost always vote for Khushrenada.

The times you don't follow that profile are typically times when you have a role. The townie group knew all the players that had roles and were townies. By process of elimination, you were pretty clearly a goon or a godfather. When you were investigated, you weren't a goon, and they deduced you were a godfather shortly after.

From the outside looking in at this game, my advice for you, stevey, is to play every game, regardless of your role, closer to how you played this one. Be more involved. Make it your standard to participate, discuss, and strategize, and you will stop running into this problem.

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2020, 01:13:25 AM »
Like I said in the other thread.

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The way you just swing in with a vote and maybe a line or two worth of explanation in pretty much every game you play, regardless of role, and especially as the game goes on makes you seem suspicious because it makes it seem like you're hiding something and like you're trying not to say more than you have to because you're worried it can be used against you.

To add to that, and this goes for everyone: Learning to engage with other players is the best way to improve your game. Learning how other players operate not only helps you as a player but also provides you with information about how those players operate in certain situations that can help you deduce their identities in later games.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2020, 01:51:14 AM »
I love the summary of all the night activities, thanks for the really detailed debrief