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Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« on: January 24, 2020, 04:45:09 PM »
and that is a wrap....

With the final Ashford Mafia Goon in pokepal148 being voted out that is the end of the game.


The surviving members of Rockfort Island are Nickmitch(Claire Redfield), Mop it up(Steve Burnside), TOPHATANT123(normal townie) and last but not least, Mr. Bungle(normal townie).

As Claire and Steve look out on to the distance they see one person that they have been waiting to find all this time.  Chris Redfield.  Chris is arriving in a helicopter to bring everyone who survived with him to look for more of Umbrella, The Organization or any other company which wishes to use bio terror on the waking world down with swift righteousness and defeat.

   Steve is so happy to of lived because in another timeline he didn't and had to sacrifice himself for others but he sees now the best part of living is caring for others and to make the most of life. 

TOPHATANT123 was a civilian that was trapped on the island and after lots of back and forth on what the best method to escape the island he was able to see the right path and meet up with Chris and Claire to escape the island.

 Mr. Bungle was a scientist working on the island and had seen what his work was doing to everyone and resigned to not do that work anymore and using his analytical skills to divise the best way forward to escape the island and to put a stop to all of what he had in part of creating.  Mr. Bungle destroyed the island and escaped with Claire, Steve, Chris, the imprisoned person and charted a path towards the next frontier....

Now for those that haven't played in my games before I like to have everyone vote for the MVP of the game. There would be a MVP for the overall game and it can be anyone alive or dead that played in the game.   
I also like to have a "wild card" vote for those that were a big changer for the game who could have made a bigger change than they actually did in the way they played.

So Overall MVP and Wild Card player you can vote on.  You can PM me your vote or post in this thread your two votes.   

And with that I will open the thread up for discussion and wrap up. 


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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2020, 04:45:25 PM »
I will start with the remaining alive players and work my way down to most recent death all the way down to the first vote out on Day 1.

Nickmitch- You played as well as any player could being the investigator and you survived to the end of the game. 
Dispite getting multiple townie results in a row you played it smart and didn't put yourself out there until you needed to. When there is so many townies to start the game and you get townie results and Albert and Alexia show up as townie in investigations it is smart to stay hidden. I don't think it was planned but having pokepal148/ Mop it up as your voice was brilliant when you found good results. Wonderful game Nickmitch!!!

Mop it up- You were kinda limited at the start of the game but you played well and with your protects and you smartly waited to use your self protects until the latter half of the game.  I think you may have bluffed on the day that you didn't have any self protects left and that brought you to the end game alive and able to survive and vote out the last remaining two Ashford Mafia members.

TOPHATANT123- In general you played well and playing to the votes to keep yourself alive even if you were voting out townies. I think in the end though because a good portion of the townies were gone it helped clear the way to finding the mafia.

Mr. Bungle-  For your third game you played well and I noticed you going over past day threads which few players did from what I was able to see. I also liked that you put together a spreadsheet and asked questions of me to figure out things for oneself.   Wonderful game. 

Pokepal148- Overall you played the game to your role at the time.  It was really clever to use your role mid day and announce what you had sent me in the day thread. I actually didn't see the role being used that way but it worked well throughout the game.  After you turned I liked how active you were with questions and plans throughout the game and you seemingly had a plan for everything.  Really the only thing which I was how you dealt with the Encriptor role and faked a message instead of figuring out an in game workaround. Although in retrospect that wasn't an easy thing to do with how the role worked. Like Mop it up pointed out it was the act of the message and not the contents itself that mattered. 

lolmonade- I didn't really get much interaction with you until you turned but overall I felt like you played smart and made the right votes.  Possibly what cost you at the time was your inaction on the Luigi Dude and stevey vote outs.  I was theorizing that Insanolord or stevey were preventing you voting for someone out as a show of loyalty to either the OG Mafia or Ashford Mafia at the time of each vote.  I liked that you kept going for most of the game even though you and pokepal148 missed the 1 hour majority vote out time and didn't get to make a argument on why you were not Ashford Mafia Successor.

Insanolord-  I guess your vote out was my fault and I probably could have been more clear on what happened when Alexia(stevey) Ashford was voted out. It wasn't my intent to possibly out you but you were probably on borrowed time with what stevey's plan was for the game and stevey taking away two of your goons.  I hope my hosting didn't drive you away from Mafia as a whole.

Steefosaurus- I didn't get much interaction from you until you died but when you were alive I liked how you planned out your vote based on what happened in the past day threads.  Also you nailed the prediction on who was the remaining Ashford Mafia and the remaining townie roles after you died.  Good Job!!

stevey- You played a brilliant game and I guess I might have messed up you plan of neighborizing everyone in the game and not sending in a hit. That happened when you neighborized a second player in lolmonade and I messaged you saying you could have a hit that day when it was an even day after your neighborization of lolmonade on Day 4.  You went after pokepal but they were protected.   The neighborize was kinda overpowered in that while it was a 50/50 shot if successful it would happen right away and the neighborize would go through protections, a mafia hit would be able to be blocked.

Luigi Dude- Woah almost forgot you.  Lets see.  I liked how you played and you calmly pointed out why you were voting the way you did using reason and logic and it really only came down to voting patterns where you were voted out of the game since you had been in 4 straight vote outs of townies.

Khushrenada- you were entirely right on your Day 2 theory post on your suspicions on who was Mafia at the time. Insanolord, Luigi Dude, and stevey all turned out to be Mafia in one form or another.  I also appreciate our talks when I am stuggling with hosting. Always brightens up my day.

ShyGuy- I had no clue on what you were doing targeting Khushrenada from Day 1 but I guess you drew attention to yourself so you could be searched or you wanted out the game easily.  What was your plan?

ThePerm- I thought with you asking everyone to message you if you were a townie was very clever and I thought even though some leaks may of happened later on in the game because of the neighborize with everyone contacting you things would of narrowed down to just Mafia, Townie Roles and Alexia Ashford to find. Clever use of strategy.

GK- You didn't get to live long in the game from the day 1 Mafia hit but you stayed active in the dead thread and just caring about the game as it went on.

Stratos- Once again a no show for the game and I can only imagine the vote out on you was to jump on Mop it ups standard vote for you on Day 1. Which if you look at Day 1. lolmonade, Luigi Dude were already under fire from votes.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2020, 07:26:34 PM by BeautifulShy »
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2020, 04:45:58 PM »
Daily goings on.
Day 1
Nickmitch investigated Khushrenada and asked for results right away. Khushrenada was a townie.
Mop it up protected Khushrenada
Vote out was Stratos.  Stratos was a normal townie
Night 1
Insanolord targeted GK with the Night 1 Organizational Mafia Hit. GK was a normal townie.

Day 2
Nickmitch investigated Mr. Bungle and asked for results right away. Mr. Bungle was a townie.
Stevey attempted to neighborize Luigi Dude and was successful. Luigi Dude was the Organizational Mafia Goon #2. Now Luigi Dude is the Ashford Goon #1.
Vote out was ThePerm. ThePerm was a normal townie.
Night 2
Mop it up protected Khushrenada.

Day 3
Nickmitch investigated pokepal148. Pokepal148 was Leon S Kennedy.
Pokepal148 the encrypter sent a message to say Khushrenada Smells
ShyGuy was voted out and he was a normal townie
Night 3
Mop it up protected Pokepal148
Insanolord (Albert Wesker) targeted pokepal148 but the protection prevented the kill.

Day 4
NIckmitch searched TOPHATANT123.  TOPHATANT123 is a townie.
Stevey neighborized lolmonade. It was successful. Lolmonade was the OG goon #1 and is now Ashford Mafia Goon #2
Khushrenada has been voted out and he was a normal townie.
Night 4
Mop it up protects pokepal148 tonight.

Day 5
Pokepal used his encryptor role to talk about Khushrenada smelling like a dead body.
Nickmitch investigated stevey. Stevey came back as a normal townie.
Luigi Dude is voted out.  Luigi Dude was the OG Goon#2 and turned into Ashford Mafia Goon#2   
Night 5
Insanolord wants to target Mop it up with his hit.
Mop it up used a protect on herself and pokepal148. Mop it up has 1 self protect remaining.



Day 6: Nickmitch searched Steefosaurus. Steefosaurus is a townie.
 stevey neighborizes pokepal and pokepal was the encryptor and becomes Ashford Mafia Goon #3
Stevey is voted out and he was Alexia Ashford.
Night 6
 Stevey selects lolmonade  as his successor.
Mop it up self protects and protects Nickmitch. Mop it up has no remaining self protects left.


Day 7:
Insanolord was voted out and Insanolord was Albert Wesker.  Since there is no more OG Mafia the Ashford Mafia gets the hit.
Night 7
Lolmonade targets steefosaurus with the Ashford hit.
Mop it up protects Nickmitch tonight.
Nickmitch searched Insanolord and Insanolord came back as a townie.

Day 8
Nickmitch searched lolmonade and lolmonade came back as the former OG Mafia Goon#1 and transformed into Ashford Mafia Goon#2/1st Successor.
Lolmonade was voted out and they were the former OG Mafia Goon#1 transformed into Ashford Mafia Goon#2/1st Successor.
Night 8
Pokepal is the last remaining Ashford Mafia member and thus automatically becomes the successor.
Mop it up protects Mr. Bungle.

Day 9.
Pokepal148 was voted out. He was the former Townie Encryptor turned into Ashford Mafia Goon#3/ 2nd successor.

Both Mafia are gone from the game. Townies win!!
« Last Edit: January 24, 2020, 04:49:16 PM by BeautifulShy »
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2020, 04:46:19 PM »
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2020, 04:52:06 PM »
Back in the winner's circle!

Special thanks to Mr. Bungle and TOPHATANT123 for seeing the light! Mop it up, thanks for being a great ally, especially in the end game. Pokepal, sorry you got turned, but it was a nice gambit at the end. I thought our alliance was gonna win it. Your use of the encryption power was clever as a beacon for the townie roles. Khuhrenada, sorry you had to die, but that's the price of being wrong. I was almost right to trust you? Interesting play by Stevey! Pokepal had a lot of clout and got close to stealing it. And getting two OG goons actually helped the townies a lot by shifting power away from the OG Mafia.

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2020, 04:59:50 PM »
I don't think I have ever seen a reverse turnaround like that with the townies voting out consecutive Mafia Members to end the game.  There might have been one other in Super Mafia Brothers Mafia but there may have been one townie vote out in between the remaining Mafia members but it is quite the feat to do it with two Mafias in the game.

Here is the past few days...

Luigi Dude- First OG Mafia Goon#2 into Ashford Mafia Goon #1
stevey-Alexia Ashford
Insanolord-Albert Wesker
Steefosaurus-townie( Mafia hit)
lolmonade- former OG Mafia Goon #1 and transformed into Ashford Mafia Goon#2/ 1st Successor.
Pokepal148- former Townie Encryptor turned into Ashford Mafia Goon #3/2nd Successor
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2020, 05:16:20 PM »
I think I shall call this game "Detective Nickmitch or how I learned to stop worry and trust the Khushreanda." Look what happens when you finally work with me.

I do think I got too much blame for the first three days but whatevs. Maybe if I got support on Day 2 for my Insanolord vote then things would have been very different for me. Same with my Day 4 Stevey vote. Oh wells. I can't believe people bought into Insanolord's Day 1 hit frame-up of me. Just couldn't seem to overcome that yet when I pointed out how shifty and mafia-like Insanolord was acting, everyone was all like "oh that's just how he is. You're wrong. Let's vote ThePerm instead (and then blame Khushrenada for that choice later.)" Vendettas on you all!!!!


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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2020, 05:45:47 PM »
Good thing I wasn't playing.
I wonder what you would of done with this type of game with all the switching sides.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2020, 06:26:59 PM »
I would have been voted out the first day.
That might be me the next time I play.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2020, 06:27:32 PM »
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Mop it up self protects and protects Nickmitch. Mop it up has no remaining self protects left.

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2020, 06:33:13 PM »
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Mop it up used a protect on herself and pokepal148. Mop it up has 1 self protect remaining.
Mop it up self protects and protects Nickmitch. Mop it up has no remaining self protects left.

What the **** is this bullshit!
It is how the role was made.   Limited amount of self protects for the doctor so you could target the doctor early on and make them waste the self protects to kill the doctor outright.  Also the self protects was only active for that one night so they could be wasted which did happen on Day 6 when no one targeted Mop it up.  Mop it up was able to die for 3 days via hit.  Mop it up bluffed and that is why the hit was on steefosaurus.

I detailed it in the signup thread I am pretty sure and I would answer any question asked of me if prompted.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2020, 06:39:17 PM »
Thanks for hosting the game BeautifulShy! It can be quite a handful, there's a lot to keep track, you did a good job.

It was a crazy back-and-forth game for sure, lots of townies out to start with, lots of uncertainty, but we somehow pulled through. A shame that pokepal148 couldn't join us on the podium, the three of us were turning into a pretty good team.

I'd probably say Nickmitch for MVP, he did a good job trying to deduce things from the results of his power, and he also did well at the end to cast doubt on the false accusations being bandied about.

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2020, 06:39:49 PM »
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Mop it up used a protect on herself and pokepal148. Mop it up has 1 self protect remaining.
Mop it up self protects and protects Nickmitch. Mop it up has no remaining self protects left.

What the **** is this bullshit!
It is how the role was made.   Limited amount of self protects for the doctor so you could target the doctor early on and make them waste the self protects to kill the doctor outright.  Also the self protects was only active for that one night so they could be wasted which did happen on Day 6 when no one targeted Mop it up.  Mop it up was able to die for 3 days via hit.  Mop it up bluffed and that is why the hit was on steefosaurus.

I detailed it in the signup thread I am pretty sure and I would answer any question asked of me if prompted.

Yeah, limited doctor self protects means the doctor can choose to protect himself RATHER THAN SOMEONE ELSE. It's always been that way. Not fucking bonus protections.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2020, 06:46:42 PM »
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Mop it up used a protect on herself and pokepal148. Mop it up has 1 self protect remaining.
Mop it up self protects and protects Nickmitch. Mop it up has no remaining self protects left.

What the **** is this bullshit!
It is how the role was made.   Limited amount of self protects for the doctor so you could target the doctor early on and make them waste the self protects to kill the doctor outright.  Also the self protects was only active for that one night so they could be wasted which did happen on Day 6 when no one targeted Mop it up.  Mop it up was able to die for 3 days via hit.  Mop it up bluffed and that is why the hit was on steefosaurus.

I detailed it in the signup thread I am pretty sure and I would answer any question asked of me if prompted.

Yeah, limited doctor self protects means the doctor can choose to protect himself RATHER THAN SOMEONE ELSE. It's always been that way. Not fucking bonus protection.
So much history this game has why do people get upset when there is some variation to the rules?   How many games have I hosted and with the majority of my games there is some slight variance to the rules.  I tried to change the voting rules mid day which got people upset at me, fair enough, but when I try to do things differently people get upset at me and it feels like I am stuck with how things have always been done in the past.  That leaves the game as how it always is and to me that can get boring.   

You didn't think majority was great so I changed it mid day but people got upset at me and in extention you since you thought majority was bad.  So which is it?  Everything has to be the same way or change can occur?
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2020, 06:50:17 PM »
Stevey kinda left us hanging when he turned me since I was certain that his plan from than on out would fail and Lolmonade was unavailable for day 7 so it was basically on me to try to chart a path to victory. I wanna thank lolmonade for going along with my stupid scheme I concocted.

As for Stevey... I have a fresh vedetta with your name on it for robbing me of a townie victory that's rightfully mine. :ph:
« Last Edit: January 24, 2020, 06:53:06 PM by pokepal148 »
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2020, 06:51:03 PM »
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Because you never communicated it as such.
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Steve Burnside: This is the Doctor for the game.  Steve will be able to protect someone from death each night. He can protect someone else as many times as he likes and he also has a limited amount of self protects which will be 2 for the whole game.  Steve is not the best protector as a character but he is willing to save anyone he is able to.
If Insanolord knew it wasn't either poke or mop, I doubt he would have hit any of the three and picked a random townie.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2020, 06:53:37 PM »
As mentioned it was only my third game but this was the game where it really clicked with me. I started to take it seriously and figuring out who was telling the truth at the end was like a really cool logic puzzle. I had a lot of fun and hope to join in future games. Thanks for hosting BeautifulShy!
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2020, 06:55:29 PM »
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Because you never communicated it as such.
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Steve Burnside: This is the Doctor for the game.  Steve will be able to protect someone from death each night. He can protect someone else as many times as he likes and he also has a limited amount of self protects which will be 2 for the whole game.  Steve is not the best protector as a character but he is willing to save anyone he is able to.
If Insanolord knew it wasn't either poke or mop, I doubt he would have hit any of the three and picked a random townie.
There is also the and in there after the first part meaning Steve can protect someone aside from himself and he can protect himself.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2020, 07:00:34 PM »
At the end of the game is not the time to ask about roles.  I went through the signup thread and no one had any questions about the roles so that was the most opportune time to ask about roles.

If you want to know about a role or a question about the game I am the type of host that will answer most everything about the game.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2020, 07:05:57 PM by BeautifulShy »
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2020, 07:01:29 PM »
Thanks for playing Mr. Bungle!  I liked your play a lot.
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2020, 07:02:08 PM »
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If Insanolord knew it wasn't either poke or mop, I doubt he would have hit any of the three and picked a random townie.
There is also the and in there after the first part meaning Steve can protect someone aside from himself and he can protect himself.

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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2020, 07:14:26 PM »
I only skimmed it so I didn't pick up on it but based on the wording I probably would have asked.
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2020, 07:15:17 PM »
Stevey kinda left us hanging when he turned me since I was certain that his plan from than on out would fail and Lolmonade was unavailable for day 7 so it was basically on me to try to chart a path to victory. I wanna thank lolmonade for going along with my stupid scheme I concocted.
I dunno if it were that stupid, it almost worked! It was pretty much your best option at that point.

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2020, 07:20:04 PM »
There finished my thoughts on all the players in the game and you can find it in the 2nd post in the thread and comment on it or you can continue to talk about how the game played out. 

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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2020, 07:45:22 PM »
Stevey kinda left us hanging when he turned me since I was certain that his plan from than on out would fail and Lolmonade was unavailable for day 7 so it was basically on me to try to chart a path to victory. I wanna thank lolmonade for going along with my stupid scheme I concocted.

You never gave me a chance to work out a plan and rushed to restore your vote for no reason whatsoever. You could have just left it off and played it off as fishing for information from me with the remaining time.

Then you kept throwing the game on purpose the following days.

I only skimmed it so I didn't pick up on it

You also seem to have skimmed each day's thread and missed the fact we could keep neighborizing even after having 3 members. I told you were wrong and cited BS post but you still refused to change your vote on day 6.

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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2020, 08:05:05 PM »
Thanks for hosting BeautifulShy, good streamlined sequel to your previous one.

I liked how Ashford could turn people during the Day to get earlier access to a Night hit. (Apologies to people who didn't realise this; I'm partially to blame here since I purposefully pushed a wrong narrative on multiple occassions how Neighbourise only happened at Night. Sorry you had to keep pointing out my lie there, B-Shy.)

Helluva late game swerve from Team Townie though! I was sure it'd end in an Ashford v. Wesker standoff. Major props to Mop It Up, Nickmitch, Mr. Bungle and Tophatant (sorry I suspected you).

I wasn't very active on this one unfortunatrly and outright missed 2 days before getting killed. Pokepal played very smart I thought, certainly tricked me - I only realised their plan once I died. That'd be my MVP nomination.



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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2020, 08:29:26 PM »
You know when I came up with the Alexia Ashford role in my previous Resident Evil Mafia game I had intended it to mess with actions of the players during the night so that players actions were going to be directed to other players and investigators, Mafia Hits and any other actions could be directed to someone else but with not enough signups for last game I had to cut it,  so for this game I read a bit of lore on the game Resident Evil Code Veronica X and there was some instances in the lore where Alexia Ashford could draw people/ bugs and all manner of entities to her and I thought that was perfect for this game with the standard Mafia team in the OG Mafia and the standard roles and lots of townies it could be great to have a limited Mafia to start and grow as the game went on. 

Also before someone points something out the Alexia role is very similar to Mafia XXX Hawtness and Smash Brothers Brawfia with the changing roles and capture mechanics both hosted by stevey.  So when I randomized the roles and players for this game and stevey got Alexia I was like " this is too perfect and too obvious. Should I rerole or not?" I decided against it and see what stevey could do with the role. Purely incidental on my part he had that role.
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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2020, 08:36:14 PM »
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Because you never communicated it as such.
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Steve Burnside: This is the Doctor for the game.  Steve will be able to protect someone from death each night. He can protect someone else as many times as he likes and he also has a limited amount of self protects which will be 2 for the whole game.  Steve is not the best protector as a character but he is willing to save anyone he is able to.
If Insanolord knew it wasn't either poke or mop, I doubt he would have hit any of the three and picked a random townie.
There is also the and in there after the first part meaning Steve can protect someone aside from himself and he can protect himself.

POLL: Who among the players realized this meant 2 protections?

I'll admit that I never saw that twist coming. Thought it was single protections each night for the doctor.

But as I recall, in your first Mafia game as host (Mafia 18) you kept the roles pretty vague from the players and in fact didn't reveal a lot of them until the game was already under way while not fully explaining their complete abilities. The host of Mafia 18 never communicated all the variations to the players either. As you put it,

I agree completely with thatguy, barely anyone plays as they used too. They all want to do is to be handed the win from Khush or a investigator instead of thinking and figuring out who. I was try to make a game were the player had think why people were dieing, why the game not over, and what kind of role can be out there. It wouldn't have been that big of a leap to figure out something not right on day 14(12) when everyone with a known role was left that maybe some of the zombie were evil, but no you just wanted to end the game and that why the townies lost. I'm glad at the outcome. (not execution)

It seems that BeautifulShy followed in that line of thinking with this game of trying to make the players reason more and not be able to rely just on the investigator since players could be turned to mafia later. Thus, they had to wonder what kind of roles were out there and how many. I don't get why stevey seems to be mad now with this game. He should be happy that he's inspired other hosts to follow his example and his groundbreaking Mafia Hosting ideas.

Which includes the host changing the rules a bit during the game. Again, going back to stevey's Mafia 18 that he was hosting, he had this rule change which I remembered because it affected me personally at the time:

Also a side note the town whore #3 role is going to be change a little (d@mn khush getting alway getting luckly, he must be cheating!) The whore can only use his power 3 times on the same person.

That info basically revealed that I was correctly targeting the Godfather hit so now I knew that and the Godfather knew who had been blocking their power thus the host revealed some spoiler info into the game.

I guess you can just chalk these things up to Host's Privilege.  ;)

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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2020, 08:52:24 PM »
Helluva late game swerve from Team Townie though! I was sure it'd end in an Ashford v. Wesker standoff. Major props to Mop It Up, Nickmitch, Mr. Bungle and Tophatant (sorry I suspected you).

Same. Especially when I was voted out Day 4 instead of Stevey and Stevey had told me he was Mafia. Then Alexia got the second successful turning and I thought it was going to take the mafia whacking each other in hits for the townies to succeed then.

Alexia mafia probably should have won this game in the end because townies and OG mafia were losing members while it kept gaining and growing in power. The big mistake was turning pokepal148 on Day 6. That was the worst person for the Alexia Mafia to choose because it had been established on Day 3 that he was the one player who could easily be exposed if he was turned. If nickmitch or Mop it up or heck, even Insanolord had been turned, the only way to prove it would be to vote them out or re-investigate if they'd been investigated before (except nickmitch). Had stevey chosen anyone of Steefosaurus, Mr. Bungle, Insanolord, TOPHATANT123, Nickmitch, or Mop it up then there is a good chance this game goes down to the last day of like 3 townies and 1 mafia member and can the players still trust their allies or wonder which has been turned.

(Insanolord a bit less but that is because we now know after the fact that detective was working through players and by Day 6 was still planning on investigating and checking up lolmonade and Insanolord. Thus, Insanolord would have lost the townie hiding ability if turned so detective may have been able to still successfully play things out as they did with pokepal's turning. Had Insanolord been vetted earlier than that might have been more difficult and a longer endgame.)

As I told pokepal148 in a pm after he revealed himself as Leon on Day 3:

Oddly, I think you are a bigger threat to the Ashford mafia since you can confirm your townie ability each day with your message. If you can't message then we know you've turned. This means Ashford mafia cannot successfully turn you without exposing you've been turned right after doing it. Therefore, it is better for them to eliminate you if they can to keep townies from being able to fully trust anyone. If I'm still in the game, I can be accused of having been turned and part of the mafia or have doubt spread about me. On the other hand, I'm probably more dangerous to the Wesker mafia since I need to eliminate them whether I'm a townie or if I was around to be turned by the Ashford mafia. Even though you are now a known townie, you are pretty much stuck in your role and don't have a major power that can expose them or thwart their hit. Thus, it may not be a high priority to eliminate you tonight. But who knows what sort of logic they are using?


That one bad choice by Stevey ended the chances for the Alexia mafia after getting so far into the game and close to the win.

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2020, 09:04:34 PM »
With the pokepal turn there was a way around it to make it nearly fool proof.  Day 6.  Pokepal uses their encryptor role and I post the message, Then stevey could turn pokepal and there would be some sort of barrier because the encriptor used the role and perhaps because of the report that pokepal had with the townies from before the townies maybe they don't think about it too much and direct their votes elsewhere and pokepal gathers info from other players while being a double agent. 

 That is the other thing that I was aiming for was unknowns on who to trust and players playing both sides of the coin with the Alexia role and their previous side and possibly aim the vote away from their team while gaining more and more members as the game went on.

I personally think stevey turned pokepal because pokepal was the majority vote and it allowed some breathing room and not the voteout of stevey.  Also the comments by pokepal after turning was fairly good since on the day of the ThePerm/ Khushrenada  voteout pokepal paused the day to get more info from someone and do some more digging. 

I very well could be wrong about stevey's intent behind the pokepal turn and would love to hear from him.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2020, 09:05:32 PM »
By the way, I'm curious, what method was used to determine if a convert was successful? Pretty crazy it worked all three times.

It's funny how we had a game the Mafia should have won right after we had a game the townies should have won!

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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2020, 09:11:54 PM »
I had two methods I had started with. Flipping a coin and it being heads would be a successful convert.  Also no double headed coins.   The other method was a little bit complex but fairly simple. I used this site. https://www.random.org/lists/  In the list I typed in Neighborize and in the second line No Neighborize.  I randomized it. Whichever of the two was the 1st on the list was the choice.  I did that 5 times and noted the 1st option and whichever of the two got to 3 points first was the choice. 
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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2020, 09:12:19 PM »
Stevey kinda left us hanging when he turned me since I was certain that his plan from than on out would fail and Lolmonade was unavailable for day 7 so it was basically on me to try to chart a path to victory. I wanna thank lolmonade for going along with my stupid scheme I concocted.

You never gave me a chance to work out a plan and rushed to restore your vote for no reason whatsoever. You could have just left it off and played it off as fishing for information from me with the remaining time.


If you recruited the one player in the game who can verify their identity and didn't have a plan than you deserved to get  burned for it.
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2020, 09:15:22 PM »
With the pokepal turn there was a way around it to make it nearly fool proof.  Day 6.  Pokepal uses their encryptor role and I post the message, Then stevey could turn pokepal and there would be some sort of barrier because the encriptor used the role and perhaps because of the report that pokepal had with the townies from before the townies maybe they don't think about it too much and direct their votes elsewhere and pokepal gathers info from other players while being a double agent. 
As I said on discord DMs yesterday: Nobody cares about if I used my encryption than because of the fact that Stevey could have done it after I submitted an encryption.

It's why whenever you do your next game you should just make the encryptor outright immune to neighborisation.
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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2020, 09:20:48 PM »
With the pokepal turn there was a way around it to make it nearly fool proof.  Day 6.  Pokepal uses their encryptor role and I post the message, Then stevey could turn pokepal and there would be some sort of barrier because the encriptor used the role and perhaps because of the report that pokepal had with the townies from before the townies maybe they don't think about it too much and direct their votes elsewhere and pokepal gathers info from other players while being a double agent. 
As I said on discord DMs yesterday: Nobody cares about if I used my encryption than because of the fact that Stevey could have done it after I submitted an encryption.

It's why whenever you do your next game you should just make the encryptor outright immune to neighborisation.
I am noting that improvement for the next game I host. 
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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2020, 11:34:52 PM »
You also seem to have skimmed each day's thread and missed the fact we could keep neighborizing even after having 3 members. I told you were wrong and cited BS post but you still refused to change your vote on day 6.


That wasn't even my issue with your plan. My issue with your plan was that it basically assumes that Nickmitch and Mop it Up are idiots who wouldn't notice that we're blatantly trying to keep stevey alive at all costs so he can neighborize more people, which having worked with them for most of this game and having watched them thwart my stupid scheme, I can assure you is not the case.

I just do not believe there was any better course of action than voting you out for townie cred and taking matters into my own hands.
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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2020, 11:50:59 PM »
Especially when I was voted out Day 4 instead of Stevey and Stevey had told me he was Mafia.
You're reading too much into it. I would always be happy to see you in mortal danger and die regardless of what my role and your role were. :evil;
Alexia mafia probably should have won this game in the end because townies and OG mafia were losing members while it kept gaining and growing in power. The big mistake was turning pokepal148 on Day 6. That was the worst person for the Alexia Mafia to choose because it had been established on Day 3 that he was the one player who could easily be exposed if he was turned. If nickmitch or Mop it up or heck, even Insanolord had been turned, the only way to prove it would be to vote them out or re-investigate if they'd been investigated before (except nickmitch). Had stevey chosen anyone of Steefosaurus, Mr. Bungle, Insanolord, TOPHATANT123, Nickmitch, or Mop it up then there is a good chance this game goes down to the last day of like 3 townies and 1 mafia member and can the players still trust their allies or wonder which has been turned.

(Insanolord a bit less but that is because we now know after the fact that detective was working through players and by Day 6 was still planning on investigating and checking up lolmonade and Insanolord. Thus, Insanolord would have lost the townie hiding ability if turned so detective may have been able to still successfully play things out as they did with pokepal's turning. Had Insanolord been vetted earlier than that might have been more difficult and a longer endgame.)

As I told pokepal148 in a pm after he revealed himself as Leon on Day 3:

Oddly, I think you are a bigger threat to the Ashford mafia since you can confirm your townie ability each day with your message. If you can't message then we know you've turned. This means Ashford mafia cannot successfully turn you without exposing you've been turned right after doing it. Therefore, it is better for them to eliminate you if they can to keep townies from being able to fully trust anyone. If I'm still in the game, I can be accused of having been turned and part of the mafia or have doubt spread about me. On the other hand, I'm probably more dangerous to the Wesker mafia since I need to eliminate them whether I'm a townie or if I was around to be turned by the Ashford mafia. Even though you are now a known townie, you are pretty much stuck in your role and don't have a major power that can expose them or thwart their hit. Thus, it may not be a high priority to eliminate you tonight. But who knows what sort of logic they are using?


That one bad choice by Stevey ended the chances for the Alexia mafia after getting so far into the game and close to the win.

I was about to neighborize Nickmitch since I already figured he was the investigator days prior and probably hadn't investigated lolmonade yet. Then I second thought myself. The problem was he probably didn't have many people left that he didn't investigate so if he didn't actually find the last member of the OG mafia or gave false info, he would be found out. I could have gone for the townies but they would be on the short list of who to re-investigate and vote for. Mop, nope. Pokepal, .... Pokepal! Sure he could be found out but wouldn't that be no different than not neighborizing and placing a hit? Except we wouldn't need to worry about mop's protection and it would be one less vote out that could have gone to one of us or Insanolord. Then the townies would lose their unifying member and doubt would run rampant. Plus, I could turn the vote and save myself potentially giving me another neighborization. At that point I was sold.

Turns out I was right about Nickmitch. By day 6, the only players he didn't investigate was Insanolord and lolmonade. All I needed to do was decide whether to betray Insanolord and gain daily neighborization powers or stick with with my original plan of annexing him and go after someone else. Pokepal took this momentary indecision for who to swing the vote towards as 'I don't have a clue', rage/panic voted me, got rid of Insanolord anyway which removed suspicion on plain townies, and then picked a fight with the second most public townie Mop.

I wish so things could have gone differently.
If Insanolord and lolmonade last minute voted on day 5 and place a hit on a random townie, we would have won 4-4 on day 6 by neighborizing Insanolord. But I understand how they were put off by the risk.
If pokepal could have fucking waited a few hours on day 6....
If pokepal didn't hastily kill Insanolord on day 7, a mafia could have at least won.
Instead of picking a public betrayal fight with Mop on day 8, Poke should have convinced Mop and Nickmitch to not vote immediately for lolmonade but rather use him to smoke out the last turned townie since numbers and time weren't on your side. Each of them should have voted for a random townie and then lolmonade would go out of his way to swing it away from one. Since Poke didn't start the vote, the townie being set up by lolmonade wouldn't likely be throwing accusations that Poke has been turned. Poke could have explained his bizarre informant post on day 7 by saying he promised not to go after lolmonade nor tell the townies his role but it's not poke's fault that they already knew :P. It's deceptive/devious/Khushrenada-esque but it could have worked.
If I just went with the boring conventional pick of a townie rather than trying to inject more chaos/entertainment/surprise.
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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2020, 12:13:35 AM »
You also seem to have skimmed each day's thread and missed the fact we could keep neighborizing even after having 3 members. I told you were wrong and cited BS post but you still refused to change your vote on day 6.


That wasn't even my issue with your plan. My issue with your plan was that it basically assumes that Nickmitch and Mop it Up are idiots who wouldn't notice that we're blatantly trying to keep stevey alive at all costs so he can neighborize more people, which having worked with them for most of this game and having watched them thwart my stupid scheme, I can assure you is not the case.

I just do not believe there was any better course of action than voting you out for townie cred and taking matters into my own hands.

There were plenty of ways to spin the vote. What possible evidence did you guys have that I was Alexia? A justification you could have told them is that I revealed that I was actually Wesker and wanted revenge on Alexia (Insanolord) for taking both my henchmen Luigi Dude and lolmonade. Since this confirms what they already knew and fits in with my personality of vendettas, there's a good chance they would have fell for it. They could want to stick with me but if it was the truth then that would mean Insanolord/Alexia would get another Neighborization the next day which would be game over and too dangerous to ignore.

Another option is that you're just seconding guessing yourself of why you're going after me after speaking to me.

It's why whenever you do your next game you should just make the encryptor outright immune to neighborisation.

There's no point in encrypting messages if the sender and message are known :P. Rather in the next game, give the mafia the power to instantly kill the encryptor at any time if they guess their identity. But if they guess wrong, they lose a henchman (like a reverse vigilante). Then there is a reason to keep the encryptor identity hidden. Otherwise the doctor can always protect them and they just become a known townie role. This has been a problem in other games and it's time to fix it.
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2020, 12:16:02 AM »
I saw you quoting and posting that message for a while so I am glad you got to put your thoughts out there stevey.   

As to why players thought you were Alexia it was probably because of how many normal townies that were investigated and how few players were still alive from those investigations as the first 4 days there was a townie vote out and one OG Mafia hit on GK on Day 1 so the normal townie numbers were down to 3 normal townies as the game started by Day 5. The game started with 8 normal townies. You were investigated on Day 5 and of the remaining players alive from those investigations that were down to you, Mr. Bungle and TOPHATANT123 were alive when Day 6 roled around so it was somewhat of a guess but also because there was so few places to hide since there was so few normal townies alive in the game.  I mean in all likelihood for a player that is a townie voting out the Godfather of either faction would be good for them so they can focus on the remaining possible Mafia members in the Ashford Mafia or the OG Mafia.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2020, 12:27:31 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2020, 12:37:51 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
The problem is with me being under pressure to deliver an encryption and lolmonade being a known quantity by Nickmitch and Mop it Up we didn't really have time to wait. The longer i went without an encryption the more suspicious it was going to seem. That's why I went AWOL on day 8 was to try to mitigate that.

Also, I wanna move the discussion about Stevey recruiting me on day 6 and my reaction to it to This thread. so we don't clog up the postgame thread.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2020, 12:43:21 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
The problem is with me being under pressure to deliver an encryption and lolmonade being a known quantity by Nickmitch and Mop it Up we didn't really have time to wait. The longer i went without an encryption the more suspicious it was going to seem. That's why I went AWOL on day 8 was to try to mitigate that.
There is a flaw in this thinking going from my example of stevey being voted out. Lolmonade wasn't a known quantity until Day 8. There was some wiggle room to take out a normal townie in the vote and a neighborize on Day 6  and then possibly on Day 7 to implement the strategy.  I do agree with your other points though.
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« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2020, 12:46:13 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
The problem is with me being under pressure to deliver an encryption and lolmonade being a known quantity by Nickmitch and Mop it Up we didn't really have time to wait. The longer i went without an encryption the more suspicious it was going to seem. That's why I went AWOL on day 8 was to try to mitigate that.
There is a flaw in this thinking going from my example of stevey being voted out. Lolmonade wasn't a known quantity until Day 8. There was some wiggle room to take out a normal townie in the vote and a neighborize and then possibly on Day 7 to implement the strategy.  I do agree with your other points though.
No he was a known quantity in day 7 in that he was the only player who wasn't investigated and there was still a Mafia goon out there and because somebody decided to publicly reveal that Wesker was the only remaining member of the standard mafia.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2020, 12:48:37 AM »
One other thing that I thought about as the game was being played was certain players on the Mafia side were making the case that we should vote out this player because they were on one side or another.  I get that players are trying to gain control of the hit by eliminating other Mafia but if there was an unspoken alliance between the two Mafias alliance and they aren't spilling roles to the other Mafia then there is a chance to vote out or use the Mafia hit or Neighborize and make the numbers of the townies go down and have a higher chance of one of the Mafia's winning.   

That we should vote out the other Mafia line of thinking sparked in my mind how in Animal Crossing WiiMake after the reset where Vudu and Pale was making the same case and leading the townies along to secure the victory for their team. It can be a interesting strategy but it needs to be implemented at the right time for a Mafia victory.  For this game with the townies having lots of players there needed to be another day or 2 to narrow down the townies to put forth that strategy.
The problem is with me being under pressure to deliver an encryption and lolmonade being a known quantity by Nickmitch and Mop it Up we didn't really have time to wait. The longer i went without an encryption the more suspicious it was going to seem. That's why I went AWOL on day 8 was to try to mitigate that.
There is a flaw in this thinking going from my example of stevey being voted out. Lolmonade wasn't a known quantity until Day 8. There was some wiggle room to take out a normal townie in the vote and a neighborize and then possibly on Day 7 to implement the strategy.  I do agree with your other points though.
No he was a known quantity in day 7 in that he was the only player who wasn't investigated and there was still a Mafia goon out there and because somebody decided to publicly reveal that Wesker was the only remaining member of the standard mafia.
That is fair.  I guess I could have talked about what happened after Alexia was voted out for the rest of the game.
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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2020, 12:52:03 AM »
That was a stupid situation and Lolmonade being MIA for most of the next day with little more than vague instructions saying to basically try to sway the populace didn't help. I don't begrudge him for anything that happened though. I had that day off from work which gave me time to formulate a strategy for the rest of the game basically from scratch.

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Day 7: Vote out Insanolord. I form a townie alliance between myself, TOPHATANT123, Mr. Bungle, and claim to be in contact with the detective and that we basically have the rest of the game mapped out at this point and just need a voting block to help us take out the mafia. I claim that Nickmitch is the one who gave me the information saying that Insanolord is the godfather. I also claim that the detective will join the alliance once it's confirmed that Insanolord is the godfather as my source claims, although he may have to join in sooner if the vote doesn't go our way. If asked about my encrypted message I'll claim that I sent it but that it hasn't been posted yet. Later on after the day ends I claim that I had apparently accidentally sent it to Khushrenada instead which is why the day ended the way it did without the message being posted.


Day 8: Steefosaurous hit. Since Mop it Up will be too busy protecting either herself or Nickmitch we should be able to get away with this.

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Claim that Lolmonade has investigated Nickmitch to find out that he was the one Stevey turned on day 6. I confirm this claim by saying that he was my source on Day 7 and we vote him out. Between the two of us we just need to convince TOPHATANT123 and Mr Bungle to vote with us to reach a majority. We take a hit out on TOPHATANT123 since Mop it Up likely won't protect him and win the game since we're 2 and 2 with the town and Insanolord is dead.

The only real change that was made is that we went after Mop it Up instead during day 8 because getting rid of her would guarantee a win since I didn't know if she actually used her second self protection on day 7 or if she was lying because she was already suspicious that I was turned (I was only aware of the one time she self protected) and was planning to save it as some kind of weird contingency plan.

I basically concocted an entire false narrative of how the game played out. It was stupid fun and I really wish i could have peddled it out in person instead of logging out of the forums, viewing the thread as a guest, and feeding talking points to lolmonade. The whole strategy was basically to keep Nickmitch and Mop it Up talking and point out every logical error or anything we could claim was a lie.
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2020, 01:09:29 AM »
I mean, I would think Khushrenada hit the nail on the head in his evaluation. Stevey, you typically play one way, and only one way. From my experience, you rarely talk or strategize with others and you keep a low profile of borderline inactivity. You almost always vote for Khushrenada.

The times you don't follow that profile are typically times when you have a role. The townie group knew all the players that had roles and were townies. By process of elimination, you were pretty clearly a goon or a godfather. When you were investigated, you weren't a goon, and they deduced you were a godfather shortly after.

From the outside looking in at this game, my advice for you, stevey, is to play every game, regardless of your role, closer to how you played this one. Be more involved. Make it your standard to participate, discuss, and strategize, and you will stop running into this problem.

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« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2020, 01:13:25 AM »
Like I said in the other thread.

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The way you just swing in with a vote and maybe a line or two worth of explanation in pretty much every game you play, regardless of role, and especially as the game goes on makes you seem suspicious because it makes it seem like you're hiding something and like you're trying not to say more than you have to because you're worried it can be used against you.

To add to that, and this goes for everyone: Learning to engage with other players is the best way to improve your game. Learning how other players operate not only helps you as a player but also provides you with information about how those players operate in certain situations that can help you deduce their identities in later games.
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« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2020, 01:51:14 AM »
I love the summary of all the night activities, thanks for the really detailed debrief

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2020, 12:53:06 PM »
Everybody took stupid pills this game and acted whacky! Why did Khushrenada and Mop it Up act so suspicious? How did Pokepal get so far?

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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2020, 01:12:15 PM »
How was Khushrenada acting suspicious? To me he seemed like townie Khushrenada, which is why I never joined into those votes. Can Khushrenada do anything which isn't considered suspicious? Seems like no matter what he says or does, it's suspicious. What was actually suspicious was everyone's extreme focus on him, which mainly benefits Mafia since it allows for a good distraction as well as forcing him into starting townie votes and giving Mafia excuses to vote out townies.

How was I suspicious? It seems like I was pretty obviously a townie, looking at what other people thought, and also how I was attacked by the hit at one point.

Pokepal148 made it that far because he was a confirmed townie who the doctor was able to protect.

You're right about one thing though, a lot of people sure were wacky this game! I wish that could happen more often!
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Re: Mafia 84:RE:CV Neighbor Wrapup thread and MVP Voting thread
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2020, 01:24:46 PM »
So, just to weigh-in a little:

Khuhsrenada's consistently being in the crosshairs early-on definitely helped as it resulted in the alternative vote being a somewhat random choice instead.  Unfortunate stalemate, but in a way Khushrenada getting out of the game probably helped clear the logjam for townies so there wasn't such a specific target to start each day.   This is the first true error i'd attribute myself for agreeing to and joining in on that vote.  If we could have milked him as cover for a day or so more, it maybe would have helped clinch the win.  Khush also was the only one besides maybe Mop-it-up that had overt suspicion of me as a mafia, so who knows.

Second true error was on the day Luigi Dude was voted out, Insanolord & I could have gotten the vote switched to someone else and saved him.  Likely would have Outed us as mafia, but maybe the sparing one extra day of not being voted out would have been enough?  Tough to tell.

Us Wesker mafia had blunders of targeting Pokepal and then Mop-it-up on nights where it was most likely they'd be protected, losing two separate chances to whittle down numbers quickly was a huge loss.  Then being borg'd into the Ashford mafia threw everything out the window of how to approach things. 

Pokepal's hail mary plan was probably the best angle we had, but it was hamstrung by 1) me being busier than expected at work during the last day game, and 2) me having been relatively quiet through several days, making me tossing accusations and claims of knowledge around in the day thread more suspicious.  Sorry to Pokepal that I wasn't available to do the full court press, but I was probably also NOT the right partner for that strategy either, unfortunately.

Regardless, good game everyone.  Wish it would have resulted in a Mafia win instead, but ces la vie.  I like the game format though, the second mafia group really changes things up.
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« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2020, 01:31:35 PM »
Yeah lolmonade, I was thinking that if you had been more active throughout the game, the plan at the end to reach a quick majority might have worked, since we would have had less inconsistencies to point out. Nickmitch was active the whole game and made an investigation every night, so it was tough for you to say that's what you've been doing yet didn't post much nor join our votes in previous days.

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« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2020, 01:40:24 PM »
Yeah lolmonade, I was thinking that if you had been more active throughout the game, the plan at the end to reach a quick majority might have worked, since we would have had less inconsistencies to point out. Nickmitch was active the whole game and made an investigation every night, so it was tough for you to say that's what you've been doing yet didn't post much nor join our votes in previous days.

Agreed.  I felt a bit off going with that gambit, but I don't think we had much leverage either way, so why not toss it in the air and see if it gets caught?
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« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2020, 07:04:44 PM »
I had more material for Lolmonade to peddle to keep the debate going but he didn't make it back before voting ended.
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« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2020, 07:30:07 PM »
I'm glad he didn't! Mr. Bungle still sounded like he was close to swinging the other way, and TOPHATANT123 was still open to convincing.
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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2020, 07:35:58 PM »
I still saw more holes I hadn't pointed out yet, so I'm not so sure. Either way, there was no good excuse for not sending a message to prove himself, especially with the amount of time he had to do it. I feel it never should have even been a question due to that, but oh well, at least it still worked out in the end.

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« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2020, 07:44:51 PM »
I will say, based on what I saw in the day thread, it definitely was an argument against the majority vote close. Essentially, mafia came in, made their argument, swung a vote or two, and the townies had not even logged on to make a counter-argument. The general townies who had their votes swung took their votes the other way after the townie side had a chance.

Though, I suppose the counter is, "If you don't really know what's going on, don't rush to judgment or you'll lynch a good guy by mistake."

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« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2020, 07:52:49 PM »
I believe the majority vote idea was introduced when we started doing games with 48-hour days, as a way to try to speed things up since they take so much longer now. I do have mixed feelings about the idea, although if I remember correctly, I believe there were some games where the majority rule no longer existed once it got down to a certain number of players. I think that makes sense to me, as when there are a lot of players, there will still be a lot of discussion before that many players all vote the same way, and it's unlikely there will be changes when that happens. But when there are fewer players, that's where the majority rule starts to make less sense.

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« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2020, 08:03:03 PM »
Hey, the majority vote got me on Day 4. There was only 1 vote from Steefosaurus when I last saw the thread and when I came back the next morning, I had been voted out a few minutes earlier. Would have been nice if I'd had more a chance to counter that but not sure townies would have been swayed at that point having done it once before on Day 2.

The majority vote can be good or bad but it still falls on the players and their choices so I've got no problem with it even though I had to fight against it once and with very little time to do so. I think this is the first game where players really started utilizing the vote more even in the earlier days which I liked. Even with the MV, so many games still went a full voting period that could have been ended sooner so I began to wonder what the point was if players were never going to take advantage.

That said, I always felt the majority vote was more for the endgame then the start. In the first few days, people are going to be more divided in how they vote and choose but this gives more time to think. In the end, with fewer players, the game can stretch but the majority vote can keep it moving along quickly as often a good chunk of the players will know what is what by that point. That's why I was shaking my head a bit when BeautifulShy wanted to suddenly remove the majority vote near the end and require everyone to vote. That's when I thought the majority vote rule was most useful to move those days along.

Thatguy can say the last day was an argument against the majority vote but I disagree. That is the mafia taking a bold chance to use it to their advantage and they almost succeeded. If players want to vote quickly to end a day like that then it is their call but if they regret it later based on the results then that is also on them. Personally, I liked that it was used more this game. It gave the game more of an urgency this time around to make your case fast or you may never get to make it.  Act fast to control the vote.

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« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2020, 08:39:40 PM »
On the Majority vote I was weighing what would be the best option for ending the day early with this setup and not be to penalizing to the players at the same time.   Be it Majority, just the standard vote however you want but each day would be 48 hours and whoever had the most votes would be voted out or just having everyone in the game vote to end the day early.   All of those have their pros and cons.  Majority with no discussion time would give players votes the most importance since once majority is reached that is it no more discussion to be had and they are stuck with their choice.  It also felt like with majority everyones voice wasn't heard because not everyone got to vote before majority was reached.     Majority with the hour discussion time could give players votes a choice with a chance to back out if they felt it wasn't the right choice or to use it to get more info on that player within that hour.  Standard voting for 48 hours and at the end of the day I would tally things up and it would be familiar to players.  Finally having everyone vote to end the day early could be used in multiple ways.  It is kinda like everyone is a jury member and their voice matters so much more and to allow much more discussion amongst players like "why should I put my vote towards this player over another" and there would be much more discussion at the start of the game since there would be 15 players and there would be lots more voices and participation and every voice would count.

Then on top of all that I had to decide if I was going to have a voting requirement or not like I usually do with these games.  Like you must vote once every 3 game days.  I have noticed players, usually on the mafia side,  do the bare minimum of voting when that is in effect so they can skirt away from any action or playing at all unless it is that 3rd day vote.  With the neighborize role I was kinda forced away from that because what if Alexia doesn't sign in for 3 days or the randomizer game Alexia to Stratos and he wasn't voted out the first 3 days.  Wasted role in that instance or if a player like say lolmonade this game missed the voting requirement because they missed out on voting because Majority was reached too fast in 3 consecutive days and that role is lost. 

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« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2020, 11:59:20 PM »
Hey, the majority vote got me on Day 4. There was only 1 vote from Steefosaurus when I last saw the thread and when I came back the next morning, I had been voted out a few minutes earlier. Would have been nice if I'd had more a chance to counter that but not sure townies would have been swayed at that point having done it once before on Day 2.

The majority vote can be good or bad but it still falls on the players and their choices so I've got no problem with it even though I had to fight against it once and with very little time to do so. I think this is the first game where players really started utilizing the vote more even in the earlier days which I liked. Even with the MV, so many games still went a full voting period that could have been ended sooner so I began to wonder what the point was if players were never going to take advantage.

That said, I always felt the majority vote was more for the endgame then the start. In the first few days, people are going to be more divided in how they vote and choose but this gives more time to think. In the end, with fewer players, the game can stretch but the majority vote can keep it moving along quickly as often a good chunk of the players will know what is what by that point. That's why I was shaking my head a bit when BeautifulShy wanted to suddenly remove the majority vote near the end and require everyone to vote. That's when I thought the majority vote rule was most useful to move those days along.

Thatguy can say the last day was an argument against the majority vote but I disagree. That is the mafia taking a bold chance to use it to their advantage and they almost succeeded. If players want to vote quickly to end a day like that then it is their call but if they regret it later based on the results then that is also on them. Personally, I liked that it was used more this game. It gave the game more of an urgency this time around to make your case fast or you may never get to make it.  Act fast to control the vote.

Yeah, if you take a look at my post, I started considering it a little more. If townies want to act quickly and make decisions, rash or reasoned, I suppose that's up to them, right?

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« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2020, 02:07:38 AM »
Yes but that didn't mean you then altered you first statement about it being a reason against the Majority Vote even if you mentioned at the end the counter argument. I just punched up the counterargument a bit more.

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« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2020, 02:10:38 AM »
Yes this is what I think about when planning a game. Sad I know huh?

No. Good host planning requires running scenarios like that in your head and asking questions about the roles and rules decisions you are making. I do it myself to determine what I think will be most beneficial to the game I'm about to launch.