Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: pokepal148 on April 12, 2013, 08:19:11 PM
Title: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: pokepal148 on April 12, 2013, 08:19:11 PM
for me, outside of systems like the Dreamcast and Gamecube, i want a new Classic Controller redesign based on the original... two more face buttons and slightly better erogonomics(in a way that retains a more classic feel) along with the ability to map the buttons(which i believe you can already do)
but this controller would exclusively hold the ability to have turbo buttons(along with the ability fastforward/slowmotion setup) in virtual console games.
what do you guys want?
Title: Re: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 12, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
Um, why would you need two more face buttons? The Classic Controller already has enough face buttons to emulate almost every controller. And the Classic Controller Pro feels pretty good. I actually think its pretty good already. Maybe make the analog sticks clickable, but that's it IMO.
Title: Re: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: pokepal148 on April 12, 2013, 08:39:42 PM
Um, why would you need two more face buttons? The Classic Controller already has enough face buttons to emulate almost every controller. And the Classic Controller Pro feels pretty good. I actually think its pretty good already. Maybe make the analog sticks clickable, but that's it IMO.
sega genesis and saturn say hi(street fighter 2) its more buttons to map stuff on...
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Post by: nickmitch on April 12, 2013, 08:40:43 PM
I guess the extra buttons could be neat. Better for N64 games and those few Genesis games. But I think the rest of the superflous button controllers were kinda unnecessary. Probably not worth another 40-60 dollar purchase.
Title: Re: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 12, 2013, 08:49:54 PM
The normal Genesis controller had 3 buttons. Of the 915 Genesis games released, only 62 even supported the 6-button one (meaning functions for more than 3 of them), I don't know if any of those 62 required it. Besides, the Classic Controller has several should buttons (which is what the SNES used), same with Saturn. You cite Street Fighter II, which was most popular on the SNES (i.e. the controller that the Classic Controller is modeled on).
And as for N64 games, the right analog stick can handle the C-buttons/
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Post by: Seacor on April 12, 2013, 09:00:27 PM
A huge library of games all available at the same time.
Title: Re: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: pokepal148 on April 12, 2013, 09:44:09 PM
The normal Genesis controller had 3 buttons. Of the 915 Genesis games released, only 62 even supported the 6-button one (meaning functions for more than 3 of them), I don't know if any of those 62 required it. Besides, the Classic Controller has several should buttons (which is what the SNES used), same with Saturn. You cite Street Fighter II, which was most popular on the SNES (i.e. the controller that the Classic Controller is modeled on).
And as for N64 games, the right analog stick can handle the C-buttons/
it's called button mapping, those extra two buttons can be mapped to do things like save or load restore points, some people may prefer the authentic 6 buttons over a joystick substitute... its more about enhancing the vc experience here
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Post by: Shaymin on April 12, 2013, 09:48:38 PM
For it to exist formally, aside from the drip-feeding of cheapies.
Title: Re: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 12, 2013, 09:59:52 PM
The normal Genesis controller had 3 buttons. Of the 915 Genesis games released, only 62 even supported the 6-button one (meaning functions for more than 3 of them), I don't know if any of those 62 required it. Besides, the Classic Controller has several should buttons (which is what the SNES used), same with Saturn. You cite Street Fighter II, which was most popular on the SNES (i.e. the controller that the Classic Controller is modeled on).
And as for N64 games, the right analog stick can handle the C-buttons/
it's called button mapping, those extra two buttons can be mapped to do things like save or load restore points, some people may prefer the authentic 6 buttons over a joystick substitute... its more about enhancing the vc experience here
Just like to point out, but there is no need for seperate buttons for save or restore points. Those can be handled the same way the 3DS does, hitting the Start buttong and selecting it.
And the only successful system to use 6 face buttons was the Genesis and only 6% of its games even supported it.
Title: Re: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: alegoicoe on April 12, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
Everything but the original wii virtual console download animation; that **** was annoying ;D
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Post by: UncleBob on April 12, 2013, 10:58:42 PM
Online play.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 12, 2013, 11:06:41 PM
Convert the entire Wii Virtual console roster over.
for Gamecube give me Eternal Darkness, PN03, Viewtiful Joe, Odama...
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Post by: MagicCow64 on April 13, 2013, 12:47:05 AM
Everything but the original wii virtual console download animation; that **** was annoying ;D
I bought Motoheroz one time, but for some bizarre reason it wouldn't download correctly. I ended up on the phone with NOA customer service for 30 minutes, trying to download it over and over again, always failing. Then, out of options, the guy on the phone said to try it one more time before he'd register it as a refund. The download animation was Mario and Luigi swimming around the screen, which I'd never seen before in five years. And then the download worked! Blew my fucking mind.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 13, 2013, 01:51:18 AM
I feel as though this topic was created just for me. Here is a list of what I want from the Virtual Console:
Gamecube, SEGA Dreamcast, Saturn and CD support.
More licensed games.
Discounts and sales similar to the Steam model.
Unified system account between the 3DS and Wii U allowing console VC games to be playable on the handheld.
Faster download times.
Stronger support from Konami and for the N64.
(Rare titles) ;)
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Post by: azeke on April 13, 2013, 02:21:10 AM
First two weeks after SF2 Champinship edition launched, i could find some people playing online.
Now it's just wind and tumbleweed...
PS is anyone up for a match of SF2 or two, btw?
As to my VC wishes -- convert ENTIRE library please. I want to free all of my stuff from "wii mode" ghetto. And not just VC, WiiWare too please. And eliminate wii fridge problem while you're at it, i'd play a lot more wiiware games then (still have to finish Motoheroz and few others).
Title: Re: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on April 13, 2013, 03:21:52 AM
Online play, leaderboards. And yeah, four face buttons is pretty weak.
I'll play SF2 with you on 360, PS3, or PC if we can get a good ping ;)
Title: Re: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: azeke on April 13, 2013, 03:34:21 AM
Everything but the original wii virtual console download animation; that **** was annoying ;D
I bought Motoheroz one time, but for some bizarre reason it wouldn't download correctly. I ended up on the phone with NOA customer service for 30 minutes, trying to download it over and over again, always failing. Then, out of options, the guy on the phone said to try it one more time before he'd register it as a refund. The download animation was Mario and Luigi swimming around the screen, which I'd never seen before in five years. And then the download worked! Blew my fucking mind.
I remember when i first got the wii on launch day that the first thing i did before playing Wii sports was to try and download the first batch of virtual console titles, games would take ages to download and that stupid coin sound, ****. But well, thats the past, I hope Nintendo takes Virtual Console seriously and step up their game by bringing gamecube and dreamcast games to the service.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 13, 2013, 08:39:29 AM
If they release N64 games, unless they remap the controls ahead of time, then we need an N64 Wii U controller. I do not like using the C-buttons with an analog stick - it feels like you're using an emulator and not playing the game when it was designed using a real N64 controller.
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Post by: Adrock on April 13, 2013, 08:51:19 AM
Probably asking too much, but two GamePad support for multiplayer off-screen play.
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Post by: smallsharkbigbite on April 13, 2013, 10:46:47 AM
As for the genesis controller, does the Wii U use the Wii classic controller for VC games? I just question that, because I even think there were articles on this site that mentioned reputable people that sold genesis (and all classic system) controllers that would plug into a wii remote and be available for games. Not the cheapest thing in the world, but I really doubt that Nintendo will replicate controllers from Sega systems.
I wish there were more rewards, and I wish it was available already. It's nice that you can use club nintendo points on select games, but I wish they would do like a buy 3 get 1 free or somekind of reward for using the service. And I appreciate $.30 games, but it's annoying that the service can't be used yet (except for those games) because there aren't many Wii U games worth playing at this time. When the games release I'll be playing Pikmin 3 (hopefully).
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 14, 2013, 10:58:38 AM
Games frist and foremost. Gamecube games and online play I guess.
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Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2013, 10:13:50 AM
I do want GameCube games on the Wii U Virtual Console, but before that I wish they would get more SNES and N64 games on the service (especially considering the Wii U Virtual Console won't even be launchingwith N64 games). Most notably, we're still missing notable SNES games from Square-Enix, and I don't care what Nintendo has to do to get them: Lufia 1 & 2, Illusion of Gaia, and Terranigma.
We're also still missing the original Star Fox, Earthbound, and Yoshi's Island from Nintendo, which Nintendo could probably figure out how to get working via emulation if they really gave a damn about the VC.
If Disney is feeling more generous these days about re-releasing their old games, I'd like to get both versions of Aladdin and The Lion King on the SNES/Genesis. There's also all the old Capcom Disney games on the NES, but those are probably being held for HD remakes pending the success or failure of the DuckTales remake.
Unfortunately, once you reach the N64 and GameCube, the most interesting games I'd like to see are from 3rd parties, and they've been the most reluctant to support VC. For instance, I'd like to see Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness and Hybrid Heaven N64 games from Konami. We also have 4 Rare N64 games and one GameCube game that seem to be in some kind of limbo right now that Nintendo may still hold the rights to re-release: Blast Corps, Jet Force Gemini, Diddy Kong Racing, Donkey Kong 64 (yes, for all its many faults I did like that game back in the day), and Star Fox Adventures.
On the GameCube side, I'd definitely like to see Skies of Arcadia Legends get released on VC from SEGA. There's also Silicon Knights' Eternal Darkness, Namco-Bandai's Tales of Symphonia, and both of Monolith's Baten Kaitos games. And that's just a start on the GameCube side.
On a sidenote, these games are a big question mark right now because of the whole debacle with the fall of LucasArts, but I'd like to get the two Rogue Squadron games + Battle for Naboo on VC. The VC version of Rogue Leader would require some retooling to get around the Wii U not having analog shoulder triggers, but it should be possible.
Title: Re: What do you want with the Wii U virtual console.
Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
I like Day One, Everything on the 3DS and Wii Virtual Console available. Then I like regular updates that consist of more then 1 or 2 games a week on a great week. A central Emulator per console so we only have to download roms. Online Multiplayer with Friends using said central Emulator.
Now What I will get: I trickling out of games that were already on the Wii Virtual Console for the Life of the Console.
Oh, also I really doubt Nintendo has any serious claim to Blastcorp and Jet Force Gemini considering what happened with Killer Instinct and Perfect Dark.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2013, 10:44:56 AM
We're not going to get every game day one, but I at least hope to see them released pretty quickly. The 3DS VC doesn't give me much hope, though.
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Post by: lolmonade on April 15, 2013, 12:29:51 PM
For Wii U Virtual Console: - Every game having an off-TV play option. - Every Wii Virtual Console game brought over, and expanded upon to include new games. - More extensive releases in the "Arcade" section. - Nintendo DS titles.
A little off-topic, but i'd really like to see Wii game re-releases either on the e-shop or Wii U virtual console. I find it ridiculous that games like Xenoblade isn't available digitally, and consumers are forced to fork out ridiculous prices on a physical copy that I assume wouldn't be terribly difficult to make available digitally.
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Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
We're not going to get every game day one, but I at least hope to see them released pretty quickly. The 3DS VC doesn't give me much hope, though.
It doesn't give me much hope, either. I don't get the impression that Nintendo has had any real plans for VC since WiiWare launched. And given that the Wii U launched with its own version of WiiWare (i.e. the eShop Indie games), I don't see that changing any time soon. But seriously, if Nintendo's going to spend the next few years just trickling out games they've already released on the Wii Virtual Console instead of releasing new VC titles, then they might as well not even bother. No one's excited at the prospect of only re-buying a portion of their old games.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2013, 12:47:44 PM
I don't think Nintendo expected the Virtual Console to be as popular as it is. They were using it as a way to fill a digital release schedule that would go away once there was original software, but then everyone loved it and largely didn't give a **** about WiiWare and then Nintendo didn't know what to do.
Nintendo doesn't want VC sales to cut into eShop sales, which is smart for them because while VC is basically free money for them, third party eShop support will dry up if people are buying Virtual Console games instead of the new stuff. It's not a good idea on their end to release all of them at once, but they need to do better than the "one game a month" policy they currently seem to be implementing on the 3DS.
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Post by: lolmonade on April 15, 2013, 12:54:36 PM
I don't think Nintendo expected the Virtual Console to be as popular as it is. They were using it as a way to fill a digital release schedule that would go away once there was original software, but then everyone loved it and largely didn't give a **** about WiiWare and then Nintendo didn't know what to do.
I didn't stop giving a **** about WiiWare because of the virtual console. I stopped giving a **** because it was a complete mess to navigate the WiiWare menus, and every good game was hidden by an overflow of shovelware games.
Worse than that even is that it seems near-impossible to find gaming outlets that extensively covered WiiWare games after the first year or so, which makes it terrible trying to determine what games may be worth your money.
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Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2013, 12:55:05 PM
Oh, also I really doubt Nintendo has any serious claim to Blastcorp and Jet Force Gemini considering what happened with Killer Instinct and Perfect Dark.
I agree that Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini are long shots, but it just seems weird to me that if Microsoft does have the rights to them, they've done nothing with them. They put out XBLA versions of the two Banjo-Kazooies and Perfect Dark (and Conker had an Xbox port), but they've left Jet Force Gemini and Blast Corps alone when those kinds of games (one being an arcade-style demolition game and the other a 3rd person shooter) would probably do well on XBLA. It makes me wonder if Nintendo somehow retained those licenses due to publishing deals.
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Post by: Ceric on April 15, 2013, 01:21:40 PM
Oh, also I really doubt Nintendo has any serious claim to Blastcorp and Jet Force Gemini considering what happened with Killer Instinct and Perfect Dark.
I agree that Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini are long shots, but it just seems weird to me that if Microsoft does have the rights to them, they've done nothing with them. They put out XBLA versions of the two Banjo-Kazooies and Perfect Dark (and Conker had an Xbox port), but they've left Jet Force Gemini and Blast Corps alone when those kinds of games (one being an arcade-style demolition game and the other a 3rd person shooter) would probably do well on XBLA. It makes me wonder if Nintendo somehow retained those licenses due to publishing deals.
Its really easy to know why. They have a fanbase but it is very small. Both of those games different Core Mechanics don't really lend themselves to a modern equivalent. They were Quirks when they released.
With Halo, Uncharted, Tomb Raider Etc. What place could Jet Force Gemini Hold? Its not time for it to come back.
Now I will say if things heat up with North Korea Blast Corp might see its way out as a Social Commentary game.
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 15, 2013, 05:30:52 PM
I think the VC is what the market wants but the industry does not want to give us. In the GBA days Nintendo resold ports of old SNES games for the same price as new GBA titles like Advance Wars and Metroid Fusion and they also had the NES Classics line. So then they go and give us this convenient download service where the old games are only a couple of bucks. That's great for us but with the VC in place Nintendo can't really get away with that old GBA model. The 3DS already has its share of N64 remakes and Nintendo is remaking Wind Waker. It's harder to sell those if you can just buy the old game on the VC. They don't want us to get the old games on a modern system for a cheap price. They want us to buy full-price remakes. The VC effectively LOWERED the perceived value of old games in the eyes of the consumer and Nintendo probably thinks that was a mistake on their part.
I hear good things about the OoT remake on the 3DS but a big part of the value of that game is to have a handheld version of it. If the VC version of the game was available on your 3DS would you buy the remake or just pay the lower price for the VC version? A big chunk of the value of the port is taken away. From a consumer convenience perspective does it make even the slightest sense for the 3DS to have its own VC? Realistically you just want an overall Nintendo VC that is the same for the 3DS, Wii and Wii U. They don't allow that on purpose.
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Post by: Kytim89 on April 15, 2013, 07:50:11 PM
I would love to see a Playstation Plus style system for the Virtual Console.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 15, 2013, 11:55:07 PM
I want to see Nintendo actively releasing more games per week. I do not want to see this dumb trickle of games...but I want to see a game a week for each console, every week until the library of available games is out...and that is the bare minimum. They should probably do more than 2 games a week per system....for Nintendo systems. Then focus on a Nintendo published game and a 3rd party game each week for each system. And perhaps for Sega Systems a Sega published game and a 3rd party game each week.
I want to see Nintendo aggressively pursuing 3rd parties to release their classics. I love the old school sports games and would rather play classic Madden than real Madden. So lets try to get some of those games out.
Finally, I would like for Nintendo to figure out a means to have online multiplayer for those games that have multiplayer.
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Post by: Dow Jones on April 23, 2013, 11:56:06 PM
The launch lineup looks like ****. I may get Super Mario World for the zillionth time but I already have Balloon Fight, F-Zero, Ice Climbers, Kirby, and DK Jr. on both VCs. I'm hoping there's more than 2 games added per week like they used to do. I'm looking forward to any new VC releases that weren't on the Wii or 3DS and Earthbound. I will end up buying a lot of stuff that transfers over from Wii though if the price is right. And I hope they have sales and maybe discounts for Premium Deluxe owners.
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Post by: azeke on April 24, 2013, 12:29:13 AM
I'm looking forward to any new VC releases that weren't on the Wii or 3DS and Earthbound.
Hmm. I wonder if they have one game that is still not on VC.
But it has to be in a series that is relevant. A game from this series has to come out this year. Or even two games in a series!
Oh and this character has to be green. 'cause you know, Year of Luigi.
Hmm, i wonder if any game fits all these requirements.
Hmmmmmm.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 24, 2013, 12:43:40 AM
I would like Gamecube, Saturn and Dreamcast games.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on April 24, 2013, 01:42:25 AM
Exactly. Nintendo failed. And FAILED big time.
These are games already released. They should of had 10 games for each console represented...and Nintendo should have already got rights to all the previous virtual console systems.
Nintendo should have launched with a strong line up
10 NES 10 SNES 10 Genesis 10 Neo Geo 10 Arcade 10 Sega Master Systems
That would have been one hell of a statement. Then 3 each week Nintendo should release 2 games for each of those systems. These games were released once already and already available to play via Wii virtual console, they are not new and should not be treated like Nintendo is doing us a favor by launching them AGAIN.
Now, I am not saying put all 10 of the most requested and best games. But at least put 2 of them per system and then 8 other games...and actively try to have games never released before.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 24, 2013, 05:45:19 PM
I wanted the existing catalogue to be uploaded as quickly as possible so that new releases would come sooner, but it looks like that won't be happening.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 28, 2013, 09:01:33 PM
And I hope they have sales and maybe discounts for Premium Deluxe owners.
Not the biggest deal, but Premium owners who upgrade their Wii Virtual Console games to Wii U versions will get 9 points per NES game and 14 points per SNES game. So that is one bonus and another incentive to upgrade.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 28, 2013, 09:10:36 PM
Um, your math is off. 10 points for NES games and 15 for SNES games.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 28, 2013, 09:16:22 PM
Um, your math is off. 10 points for NES games and 15 for SNES games.
I'm going by what Nintendo says on their website (http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/downloads/virtual-console):
"*Games purchased at the special reduced price are worth 9 points per NES title and 14 points per Super NES title in the Deluxe Digital Program. Point value subject to change. "
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Post by: UncleBob on April 28, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Um, I'm going by the amount I was actually given for upgrading SMW.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 29, 2013, 11:43:27 AM
Then someone on Nintendo's website team fucked up and needs to fix it on their site.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 29, 2013, 12:27:22 PM
Um, maybe you just shouldn't blindly believe and repeat everything you read on the internet.
That's how you end up making really stupid comments.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 29, 2013, 12:38:04 PM
It's not like it's a unreliable source like Kotaki, it's Nintendo's own website. So blame Nintendo. You would think you can trust Nintendo about Nintendo stuff.
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Post by: UncleBob on April 29, 2013, 03:43:03 PM
Um, trust, but verify.
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Post by: the asylum on April 30, 2013, 10:31:01 AM
The first three Custom Robo games and Fire Emblems 1-6 and 12
I will pay for the translation efforts myself if necessary
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 30, 2013, 11:23:39 AM
