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Title: Star Wars Fanhouse, Chewie, we're home!
Post by: ShyGuy on October 30, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
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Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 30, 2012, 04:39:46 PM
Wow, big news. So Lucas gets another $4 billion? LOL. And a release date for the new Star Wars movie is nice/
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 30, 2012, 04:44:27 PM
Wow. I wonder if the sequel trilogy will be compatible with all the the extended universe material that exists after Episode VI, or if it will ignore that stuff completely. Lucasfilm has taken some extended universe material before - the planet Coruscant's name was invented by Timothy Zahn in his Thrawn Trilogy in 1991, at least.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: UncleBob on October 30, 2012, 04:44:54 PM
Before anyone gets upset and starts screaming "Sell Out" (like I'm seeing everywhere else)...

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You've been living in a cave for how long...?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Ceric on October 30, 2012, 04:49:00 PM
I was just excited that Lucas wasn't going to have the reigns anymore.  Ultimate Power Corrupts Ultimately.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Morari on October 30, 2012, 04:49:34 PM
I've never found the Star Wars franchise to be particularly enamoring, but this has to have people worried. Disney just keeps getting bigger and bigger. They are steadily swallowing all creative outlets in the film industry, while stifling what remains through Machiavellian copyright laws.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Kwolf on October 30, 2012, 05:25:16 PM
 I was totally blown away by the news, but after thinking on it, I'm kinda okay with this.   After Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and most of the new starwars trilogy. (Which I didn't hate, but really didn't like either) 

 I'm okay with some new blood being introduced to help steer these franchises.   Might be really interesting!  Could be total poo too.   Either way, going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ShyGuy on October 30, 2012, 05:29:43 PM
I've never found the Star Wars franchise to be particularly enamoring, but this has to have people worried. Disney just keeps getting bigger and bigger. They are steadily swallowing all creative outlets in the film industry, while stifling what remains through Machiavellian copyright laws.

I agree with you there. What Disney did with copyright laws was the most shameful thing they've ever done. Mickey Mouse should be in the public domain by now.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on October 30, 2012, 05:34:45 PM
bleh public domain when the property is used on a cosistent basis.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: UncleBob on October 30, 2012, 05:35:20 PM
I agree with you there. What Disney Our government did with copyright laws was the most shameful thing they've ever done. Mickey Mouse should be in the public domain by now.

Fix'd.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ShyGuy on October 30, 2012, 05:41:45 PM
SONNY BONO
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: lolmonade on October 30, 2012, 07:08:38 PM
I don't get the big upheaval about this news.  Does everyone think Marvel has been desecrated since being bought by Disney?  Count me in the group that thinks the farther away Lucas is from his properties, the better.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 30, 2012, 07:13:26 PM
I am really ezxcited about this, personally.
 
Did y'all miss the news of SW ep 7? This is a little wet dream gift for my inner 12 yera old self.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: broodwars on October 30, 2012, 07:15:55 PM
For once, I kind of have to side with Morari on this.  While this move makes me more optimistic for the future of the Lucasfilm properties than I have been in a decade, I am concerned that Disney keeps eating up all these major companies.  It's like how Square-Enix now seems to comprise nearly the entire non-Nintendo Japanese game industry these days, and as a result there are all these smaller franchises that have just been buried for the sake of Final Fantasy.

I don't mind big companies existing, and this acquisition could lead to some very cool things (hey, between Marvel and Star Wars, Kingdom Hearts now has a healthy stock of new worlds to exploit).  At the same thing, though, I don't like seeing seemingly everything consolidated into a few noteworthy companies.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 30, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
My kids are watching Disney right now, that explains the commercial for Star Wars A.N.T. Farm that I just saw. Sad day for all.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 30, 2012, 07:40:51 PM
Amazing Spider-Man vs Darth Vader vs Mickey Mouse coming next year.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 30, 2012, 07:56:36 PM
I don't care who is paying the bills as long as they get to making some new, live action films in the franchise.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Luigi Dude on October 30, 2012, 08:11:52 PM
I have no problem with this.  The Star Wars universe still has a huge amount of potential and in the hands of good directors we could get some great films out of it.

I wonder how far in the future these films will take place.  Will it be further in the future and star the kids of the main characters from the original trilogy and try to get Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford to make cameo's as older versions of their characters or will they actually recast Luke, Leia and Han and try to continue shortly where ROTJ left off?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ThePerm on October 30, 2012, 08:17:43 PM
I was just talking about this with a friend. That is the third trilogy. They had talked about making episode 7-9 when they were making 1-3, and i was wondering if it would materialize. I was thinking it would be great if they made a third triolgy and lucas wasnt directing.

I should have bought some Lucas stalk yesterday.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 30, 2012, 08:28:56 PM
I been reading on other sites, the bigger story is Disney now owns ILM.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Shaymin on October 30, 2012, 09:51:26 PM
So Disney was so sick of hearing how Pirates of the Carribean was a Monkey Island ripoff they bought Lucas? That's pretty scary.

In all seriousness, this means someone will actually say no to Lucas, and a non-average-at-best Star Wars live action film could actually come out in my lifetime. Plus we get the potential of Darth Vader decapitating Organization 13, and some decent games once the mobile/social bubble crashes.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Kairon on October 30, 2012, 11:46:56 PM
Is this good or bad for the future of the Willow franchise? That's what I want to know...
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: UncleBob on October 31, 2012, 12:07:03 AM
I been reading on other sites, the bigger story is Disney now owns ILM.

I was wondering if ILM is actually a part of LucasFilms or if it's something independent... because that is the big news to me.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 31, 2012, 12:41:14 AM
I been reading on other sites, the bigger story is Disney now owns ILM.

I was wondering if ILM is actually a part of LucasFilms or if it's something independent... because that is the big news to me.

ILM is just part of Lucasfilm, so Disney owns it too. I don't see that as the bigger deal though, it just means more money for Disney.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: UncleBob on October 31, 2012, 01:04:32 AM
ILM does special effects for virtually every major studio.

I could easily see some studios that will question the wisdom of giving money to their largest competitor.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on October 31, 2012, 03:14:07 AM
There were always going to be more Star Wars movies. They made too much money and are too eternally popular. I just thought they wouldn't happen while Lucas was still alive. This is a more graceful transition though.

Based on how Disney has let Pixar and Marvel run after Disney acquired those studios, it's logical to assume Disney will let LucasFilm run pretty independently. This means that Kathleen Kennedy is now the keeper of the Star Wars franchise. You should look her up on IMDb, she's produced a great deal of good stuff including a ton of Spielberg movies. At this point I trust her a lot more than I trust George. Obviously who they put in the director's chair will have the largest bearing on whether or not this new trilogy will be any good. Who knows what they'll do there. Btw Kathleen, I hear Brad Bird is also a Disney employee. Just sayin. 

And MOST IMPORTANTLY I think this bodes very well for the original, unbastardized versions of the Original Trilogy finally getting a proper restoration and bluray release. Lucas is no longer in charge to continue his perversion of film history and I'm sure Disney will want a new home video release to make good on their $4B investment and build some goodwill with fans. So, for now, I think only good things can come from this news!
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Plugabugz on October 31, 2012, 04:27:49 AM
The same year Disney makes John Carter, they buy the studio that makes Star Wars.

Total faith.

Before anybody brings up Marvel, the work to unify their properties into a universe was started long before Disney bought them

I have never watched any of the Star Wars - it's still a franchise that reached the peak of popularity about 40 years before technology allowed it to actually flourish on screen. Exactly how F-Zero X looks incredibly dated when you think about how it could look on Wii U.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 31, 2012, 08:41:35 AM
The same year Disney makes John Carter, they buy the studio that makes Star Wars.

Total faith.

Before anybody brings up Marvel, the work to unify their properties into a universe was started long before Disney bought them

I have never watched any of the Star Wars - it's still a franchise that reached the peak of popularity about 40 years before technology allowed it to actually flourish on screen. Exactly how F-Zero X looks incredibly dated when you think about how it could look on Wii U.


If you have never seen Star Wars, then you can't make those kind of assumptions, they basically invented all the technology everyone else is using today to make sure those films looked damn good. What's ironic is Lucas was the guy who invented Pixar.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on October 31, 2012, 09:11:31 AM
They sure better follow the Extended Universe material. I still read those books and they are about to pass the reigns of the series to Luke, Leia and Han's kids. There is also a comic book series that takes place 125 years after Return of the Jedi and they have stated that they are going to start tying those two stories together.

So make the movies new stories that fit in or steal from the EU material. I always thought Zahn's trilogy would make a great film series.

No word on that live action TV series? I've pretty much assumed that was stalled to the point of death.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Plugabugz on October 31, 2012, 09:23:50 AM
The same year Disney makes John Carter, they buy the studio that makes Star Wars.

Total faith.

Before anybody brings up Marvel, the work to unify their properties into a universe was started long before Disney bought them

I have never watched any of the Star Wars - it's still a franchise that reached the peak of popularity about 40 years before technology allowed it to actually flourish on screen. Exactly how F-Zero X looks incredibly dated when you think about how it could look on Wii U.


If you have never seen Star Wars, then you can't make those kind of assumptions, they basically invented all the technology everyone else is using today to make sure those films looked damn good. What's ironic is Lucas was the guy who invented Pixar.

Inventing the technology is not the same as the technology being at a state that can richly create the universe the script material is trying to create.

Star Wars, Star Trek and Doctor Who are the three that are basically responsible for modern sci-fi.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
So make the movies new stories that fit in or steal from the EU material. I always thought Zahn's trilogy would make a great film series.

That's great and all, but who's going to play Luke, Leia, Han etc.? Certainly not the original actors, and recasting new actors in those roles would be equally insane IMO.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 09:26:46 AM

I have never watched any of the Star Wars - it's still a franchise that reached the peak of popularity about 40 years before technology allowed it to actually flourish on screen.

This is nonsense.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Adrock on October 31, 2012, 09:53:29 AM
I'd be surprised if the new movie isn't an original story despite how popular the Zahn books are to fans. Focusing on a new generation of Skywalkers seems like the natural progression if they're calling it Episode VII. Even if they don't follow any specific story from the expanded universe, I hope nothing gets retconned though I believe Lucas is on record as saying the movies take precendence and the Expanded Universe is separate so maybe there are no issues with rofl-stomping the Expanded Universe. He's not in charge anymore so perhaps that has changed.

As far as the movies go, collectively the original and prequel trilogies tell a complete story with a fitting conclusion. Return of the Jedi doesn't lead into an Episode VII as naturally as Revenge of the Sith leads into A New Hope. Additional stories can always be told and with the Expanded Universe, they have. As a movie franchise, I'd rather see Disney and Lucasfilm "start over" like Knights of the Old Republic did so they don't have to adhere so closely to the movies that Lucas made.
That's great and all, but who's going to play Luke, Leia, Han etc.? Certainly not the original actors, and recasting new actors in those roles would be equally insane IMO.
Tron: Legacy had a CG young Jeff Bridges. Like I said above, I'd rather see a new movie set in a completely different era as Lucas' films. If they insist on picking up after Return of the Jedi with Luke, Leia, and Han, I'd imagine CG is the way they'd go with it. Not saying I advocate it, but that's the likeliest scenario rather than recasting.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Plugabugz on October 31, 2012, 10:02:29 AM

I have never watched any of the Star Wars - it's still a franchise that reached the peak of popularity about 40 years before technology allowed it to actually flourish on screen.

This is nonsense.

All other aspects remaining the same, just update the visuals, audio and set design to modern standards and it would be a better film for it. It doesn't make the film (how it is) bad in any way, just simply what was available then limited the experience hence my 40 years comment.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 10:14:54 AM
Updating the visuals to modern standards (aka CGI) would not make the original films better, in fact it would probably make them considerably worse. There's a reason people hate the updates Lucas has been adding to the original films over the last 15 years.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: UncleBob on October 31, 2012, 10:25:30 AM
The main reason is that people are whiny brats that can't stand change...

That's not to say I agree with every single change made, but some of what folks complain about is plum ridiculous.  Oh noes, the Ewoks are blinking!!!
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 31, 2012, 10:32:30 AM
I have never watched any of the Star Wars
Sorry fella, right there invalidates any observations you have on the films. Let's chat again when you have had a chance to view them.
I like you F-Zero comment!
 
Also, plenty of old movies are really great, regrdless of the technical limitations of their times. (Trite observation, to be sure). In fact, they often are a reflection of their times, which adds to my enjoyment of them. I don't need or want an update Casablanca.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 10:33:35 AM
The main reason is that people are whiny brats that can't stand change...

That's not to say I agree with every single change made, but some of what folks complain about is plum ridiculous.  Oh noes, the Ewoks are blinking!!!

Some of it's ridiculous, some of it isn't. I've defended some of the changes myself - I think it actually made sense to swap in ghost Hayden Christensen at the end of Return of the Jedi - but overall, I think the idea that modern CGI effects are objectively better than what they did in the original films is fallacious. I think creativity and good taste are often borne of limitation, and removing the limitations on what you can do visually has led to a lot of unfocused visual clutter in the prequels and in the special editions, as well as lots of other CGI-heavy modern films.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: UncleBob on October 31, 2012, 10:56:36 AM
I don't disagree - and I still think to this day that the use of puppetry and props combined with appropriate use of CGI made the effects of Terminator 2 something that hasn't really been topped to this day.

I think a movie (Star Wars or otherwise) created with the appropriate blend of new-age CGI and old school prop effects has the potential to be something spectacular.  Unfortunately, when you can just CGI special effects for pennies on the dollar of what props can cost, no studio is willing to make the investments needed to make the special effects spiritual successor to T2.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Plugabugz on October 31, 2012, 11:19:43 AM
I don't disagree - and I still think to this day that the use of puppetry and props combined with appropriate use of CGI made the effects of Terminator 2 something that hasn't really been topped to this day.


This best serves my point. T2 couldn't really have been done 20 years earlier. Apparently, John Carter took 100 years to reach the screen because of the perceived expense in the Barsoom novels and the universe it creates.

DS9 went off air 13 years ago. I'm watching it through again for the fourth time and still think the latter 16:9 years look fantastic. And a lot of it is a blend of models and CGI. If it was made in 2012 all i would change is cameras for better quality. Little else. Some films i'm perfectly OK with in their "aged" state, Star Wars is not one of them. Each time i've tried to watch i tend to get distracted by something on screen that jars me out of it. Something about a big budget script that didn't - simply owing to the time - didn't have the resources to follow through to the screen.

I realise what i'm asking for isn't exactly reasonable or even possible (we aint getting a young Harrison Ford again!). But that's all i would want.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2012, 12:01:12 PM
I don't disagree - and I still think to this day that the use of puppetry and props combined with appropriate use of CGI made the effects of Terminator 2 something that hasn't really been topped to this day.


This best serves my point. T2 couldn't really have been done 20 years earlier. Apparently, John Carter took 100 years to reach the screen because of the perceived expense in the Barsoom novels and the universe it creates.

DS9 went off air 13 years ago. I'm watching it through again for the fourth time and still think the latter 16:9 years look fantastic. And a lot of it is a blend of models and CGI. If it was made in 2012 all i would change is cameras for better quality. Little else. Some films i'm perfectly OK with in their "aged" state, Star Wars is not one of them. Each time i've tried to watch i tend to get distracted by something on screen that jars me out of it. Something about a big budget script that didn't - simply owing to the time - didn't have the resources to follow through to the screen.

I realise what i'm asking for isn't exactly reasonable or even possible (we aint getting a young Harrison Ford again!). But that's all i would want.
Actually talk about DS9 on NFR.  I still say for my money Voyager is just better looking from start to finish.  Though DS9 has some really nice set pieces with the Station.  I strongly think a good portion of that in the first half is because of the Camera's used weren't that good if for that time.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on October 31, 2012, 12:22:28 PM
Why are people so hung up on having the original actors (or CGI to look like them)? Just cast new actors. Other movies do this.

Or just focus on other parts of the story. The entire X-Wing series is fairly separate from the core crew.

I'm fine with making it farther in the future but I would fear viewers who did not keep up with the books would be thoroughly lost.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 31, 2012, 12:48:55 PM
Who cares about the Extended Universe? The movies are canon, the EU has to fit itself around them. If the movies say somethings that contradicts the EU, then the EU version is rendered moot. I do not want the next movie (which Lucas has said for years he wants to do) to have to try and fit into the EU. The writers just need to make sure it fits into the six live action movies. **** the EU. They are just meant to fit around the actual canon stuff. Even dating back 30 years ago, the 2nd-6th movies would contradict the EU and render them moot. It is on record that the movies are canon and the EU only counts when they don't contradict the movies (and when they do, the movie is considered correct and the EU is wrong). So if the new trilogy has stuff that goes against the EU, then the EU stuff will be considered wrong.

TrueNerd, the original versions are bad. The CG enhancements make them better.

Plug, it's not true that the Star Wars was most popular 40 years ago (especially since it is only 35 years old). The franchise was more popular in the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 31, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
I don't disagree - and I still think to this day that the use of puppetry and props combined with appropriate use of CGI made the effects of Terminator 2 something that hasn't really been topped to this day.


This best serves my point. T2 couldn't really have been done 20 years earlier. Apparently, John Carter took 100 years to reach the screen because of the perceived expense in the Barsoom novels and the universe it creates.

DS9 went off air 13 years ago. I'm watching it through again for the fourth time and still think the latter 16:9 years look fantastic. And a lot of it is a blend of models and CGI. If it was made in 2012 all i would change is cameras for better quality. Little else. Some films i'm perfectly OK with in their "aged" state, Star Wars is not one of them. Each time i've tried to watch i tend to get distracted by something on screen that jars me out of it. Something about a big budget script that didn't - simply owing to the time - didn't have the resources to follow through to the screen.

I realise what i'm asking for isn't exactly reasonable or even possible (we aint getting a young Harrison Ford again!). But that's all i would want.


ONLY can you say that about the first one even die hard fans think it looks dated, but NOT Empire or Jedi, there might be tiny little things but they are  not where near as bad as you are making them out to be. And it has nothing to do with inventing the technology it has everything to do with being able to pull it off despite the limits. Seriously do you think Alien looks dated or Aliens? Sure they don't look as shiny as modern movies but they in no way look jarring or Wizard of Oz bad.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 31, 2012, 02:30:53 PM
Empire and Jedi do look dated, especially when you watch the original un-touched versions.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 31, 2012, 02:33:53 PM
dated maybe, but not fake.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 02:50:46 PM
I don't understand the hatred for the special editions of the original trilogy. For the most part, the changes improved the films. The whole "Han shot first" thing is a legitimate gripe, because it changes his character and lessens the transformation he went through, and I could do without the CGI dance sequence in Jabba's palace in RotJ, but for the most part I thought the cleaned up effects were a good thing. I'd like to see a cut of them more like what we saw with the remastered Star Trek episodes, with the footage cleaned up and some of the effects updated, but without any other changes.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 31, 2012, 03:02:25 PM
The whole "Han shot first" thing is a legitimate gripe, because it changes his character and lessens the transformation he went through,


I disagree with this sentiment entirely, as it makes no sense. How does it change his character? Greedo already has the gun pulled on him, even if Greedo never fired a shot it was STILL self defense. Even taking it a step further, he shoots a guy in a bar and walks away coldly like a guy who just finished his dinner and nothing out of the ordinary happened. Either way the Han Shot first thing is blown way out of proportion. I agree other changes were unnecessary but that one changes nothing. I would like to see the originals released, but that is because I am a collector, not because I think he bastardized his baby, or raped my childhood or whatever other complaint can be made.

The only changes I really can't stand are the new Jedi dance scene, and the altered dialog between Emperor and Vader in Empire, everything else is fine by me.



Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 31, 2012, 03:08:04 PM
If Han shoots first, he is a murderer. If he Greedo shoots first, he is just acting in self defense. It totally changes who he is. With the former, it further illustrates how much he changes over the course of the movie an trilogy since he redeems himself.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 03:11:25 PM
For once, TJ and I are on the same page. Han was originally a much darker character, which made him even more likable as he was swayed to the noble cause of the Rebellion.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 03:46:18 PM
I don't "care" about the EU necessarily, I was just wondering if they would try to maintain any continuity with it for the new films. It's probably impossible though, given how dense the post-VI extended universe is at this point. As for the idea that "the original versions are bad", that's some insane bullshit right there.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
It would be nice if they made an effort to not conflict with the EU, but I don't want them to go out of their way and give up on good ideas just because they don't work within that construct. That's basically the way Star Trek does it, where the novels aren't technically canon, but, at least in recent years, the people making the movies and TV shows have generally tried not to invalidate them when they didn't have to. Some bits from the novels have actually become canon by being written into the shows and movies, like the first names of Kirk's parents in the recent movie.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 03:54:50 PM
Also,
Just cast new actors. Other movies do this.

This would be terrible. Hey everyone, stop saying terrible things.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 03:56:36 PM
None of the options are good. You either bring in new actors, which people would hate, bring back the old actors, which might not be possible and would require a lot of work, or just don't have those characters in the movie, which would make them a lot less appealing to most people.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 04:03:44 PM
just don't have those characters in the movie, which would make them a lot less appealing to most people.

I think that is the only option, and it's a fine one if the movies are well written and well casted, which is quite possible with Lucas out of the way.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 04:05:21 PM
I think they're a lot less marketable if they don't have any recognizable characters in them.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 04:06:54 PM
C3PO and R2D2 will still be there (and possibly Chewbacca, Jabba the Hutt etc.)


EDIT: Whoa, forgot Jabba died in VI, great shame :(
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 04:07:35 PM
And the idea that a Star Wars movie would ever have any serious trouble with marketability is funny.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 04:08:49 PM
I doubt Jabba the Hutt will be there, unless they're doing some serious retconning.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 04:09:17 PM
Bah, you got me right when I was editing.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 04:10:59 PM
They should make 3PO and R2 the lead characters of the new films. Give it a real Rosencrantz and Guildenstern vibe. That would be amazing.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 04:13:37 PM
That's basically what they already were. Aside from Anakin/Vader, they were the only characters to appear in all six movies.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on October 31, 2012, 04:15:13 PM
Wait, Anakin is Darth Vader?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 04:16:09 PM
That's right, I just spoiled a thirty year old movie. What are you going to do about it? ;)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 04:17:13 PM
lulz
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: MegaByte on October 31, 2012, 04:22:28 PM
Ewoks III in 2016.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 31, 2012, 04:23:33 PM
That's basically what they already were. Aside from Anakin/Vader, they were the only characters to appear in all six movies.
and obi-wan
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 04:24:19 PM
Good call. And Palpatine was in all but IV.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 31, 2012, 04:27:26 PM
same with Yoda
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 04:30:08 PM
That's basically what they already were. Aside from Anakin/Vader, they were the only characters to appear in all six movies.
and obi-wan

Sure, if you count very minor cameos in Empire and RotJ. R2 and 3P0 and Anakin were major characters in all six movies.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on October 31, 2012, 04:33:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/heXk4.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/aBb2oh.jpg)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 31, 2012, 04:50:00 PM
No it doesn't, your missing the point, Greed ALREADY had the gun pulled and told him he was going to kill him. That justifies what Han did, period it was NOT murder. Murder would have have been if he shot him mid sentence even if Greedo never pulled a gun and never threatened him. It was always self defense plain and simple. Lucas just wanted to make it more obvious to appeal to kids.


Look if two guys are sitting in a bar arguing over bounty hunters, one pulls a gun the other guy shoots, it is self defense on the shooters part not murder.


There is a valid complaint about the shot looking terrible, or about how at that close range there is no way he could have missed but the murder aspect is NOT TRUE. It was always self defense.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 04:58:16 PM
I think Han was justified, but it still changes his character to have fired in DIRECT REACTION to a shot from Greedo, rather than shooting preemptively. Han shooting first shows a higher level of resolve and coldbloodedness, even though it is justified.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 31, 2012, 04:59:52 PM
I haven't watched the movie in a while, but I seem to remember there being a reasonable probability that Greedo wasn't going to shoot and the gun was basically out for a warning. Now, since the gun was out I'm not sure I'd call it murder, but shooting after he already shot at you is different from shooting first, and takes away from his character.

EDIT: What Grant said.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on October 31, 2012, 05:00:49 PM
That said, I am not up in arms about that change very much (other than the fact that Greedo's shot comes out at a 30 degree angle or something doesn't it? Don't remember completely.)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2012, 05:07:17 PM
I have the DVD with the Theatrical cut when Hans shoots first its the quickest solution to a problem.  The least amount of risk for the maximum reward at the time.  Smuggler Calculation.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 31, 2012, 05:10:53 PM
I think Han was justified, but it still changes his character to have fired in DIRECT REACTION to a shot from Greedo, rather than shooting preemptively. Han shooting first shows a higher level of resolve and coldbloodedness, even though it is justified.


That makes a little more sense than it goes from being a bad guy to good guy in an single instant. Still many people faced with that situation would still not take the shot. The gun was drawn still means he had to think fast, kill or be killed. At least that was how I saw it, even as a kid when I didn't know any better.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 31, 2012, 05:35:56 PM
That's basically what they already were. Aside from Anakin/Vader, they were the only characters to appear in all six movies.
and obi-wan

Sure, if you count very minor cameos in Empire and RotJ.
I do count them. Cameos? OK, sort of. Minor? I definitely think not.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 31, 2012, 05:45:13 PM
How was Obi Wan's role in Jedi minor? He had almost as much dialog and screen time in that as he did A New Hope. Even in Empire, he was only there for a couple of shots but they were in no way minor. Minor would be like when they put someone in the back ground just for the hell of it to stir up the fans, like ET.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: bustin98 on October 31, 2012, 06:12:21 PM
That makes a little more sense than it goes from being a bad guy to good guy in an single instant. Still many people faced with that situation would still not take the shot. The gun was drawn still means he had to think fast, kill or be killed. At least that was how I saw it, even as a kid when I didn't know any better.

Another fact you aren't taking into consideration is that Han had his gun drawn under the table. At least Greedo had his threat right in Han's face, and was unaware of the threat directed at him. The idea was the Han was a despicable person who was involved with other despicable people, and he fit right in. Having Han wait until the shot was fired means he wasn't as despicable as previously thought. It means that if Greedo didn't shoot, he wasn't going to shoot. But Han not waiting means he was going to shoot regardless of the actions taken by Greedo. Han was found in a bar and he wanted to escape and have his location unknown by Jabba. Killing Greedo was the only way to enforce that.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on October 31, 2012, 07:50:13 PM
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had his threat right in Han's face, and was unaware of the threat directed at him

Again suggesting Han was in the clear to shoot. Anyone puts a gun in your face it gives YOU the right to shoot first, it is called self defense. Why is that so hard to grasp? No matter WHAT if a person is threatening your life and you shoot them it is self defense period.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 31, 2012, 08:02:31 PM
No, it doesn't give you the right. And it wasn't in his face, he was across the table. The changes in the 1997 and 2004 edits totally change his character and make his change mean almost nothing. Han was not justified in shooting his fellow smuggler, he was NOT acting in "self defense".
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Morari on October 31, 2012, 09:14:16 PM
No, it doesn't give you the right.

Yes, it does. Greedo posed a physical threat by drawing and aiming his gun. Han was acting in self defense. Unless the Catina world has some pussy "duty-to-retreat" law, I'd say Han was completely in the right to use deadly force.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 31, 2012, 11:48:07 PM
No, it doesn't. Han was an asshole to begin with, and he was NOT acting in self defense. And pussy law? I would hope Catina does not have one of those savage "shoot people I think are threatening me" laws that let you kill someone for looking at you wrong by claiming you thought they were gonna attack you.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: UncleBob on October 31, 2012, 11:55:32 PM
Holy Christ people... if you're going to try to argue Star Wars as if you know anything about it, at least get the planet names right.  It's not "Cantina Planet" or anything of the sort.  It's friggin' Tatooine.  I mean, I could understand not knowing the name of the planet if it was some weird planet that was mentioned for three seconds and never brought up again...  But we're talking TATOOINE.  One of, like, three planets that appear in multiple films and are relevant to the plot in any way, shape or form.

Before you start arguing about the personality traits of Star Wars characters, try getting to know the movies.

Hell, I'm not even a Star Wars "fan" and I know that much.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Lithium on November 01, 2012, 12:55:55 AM
i thought this was a joke until i started seeing this everywhere else
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ShyGuy on November 01, 2012, 01:01:57 AM
This may be my most popular thread ever. I deserve some sort of prize when it hits 100 pages.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on November 01, 2012, 01:24:29 AM
I just can't believe people are discussing American Legal constructs on a lawless planet in a town that is described as a "Wretched hive of scum and villainy". That and "Cantina Planet".
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: bustin98 on November 01, 2012, 01:50:00 AM
I think acting in self defense comes in many flavors, and killing the aggressor is the extreme end of it. Han could have done several other actions, but he sat there cool as a cucumber, totally unfazed by the gun, and shoot Greedo in the gut. And quietly walked out throwing money to the bartender. Seems to me he may have done that before.

Han knew that Greedo wasn't going to shoot because Jabba wouldn't get his money. Greedo was just making a point.

Also LOL @ Catina planet... :D Next: that death star moon... lol
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on November 01, 2012, 01:53:20 AM
The issue of the original versions of the original trilogy is one of preserving film history. These films are three of the most important and culturally significant films ever made and they basically no longer exist. Yes, they were released on DVD but those versions are transfers from the early 90s and have a resolution of 360p. That's YouTube quality, and no way to properly watch Star Wars. What exists instead are watered down, objectively worse versions that undermine the original films with every single change.

Ridley Scott did it right with Blade Runner. When they put that movie out on bluray, they included FOUR different cuts of the film, including one that had previously only been seen by a couple hundred people once at a film festival. Why George refused to do the same with Star Wars is beyond me. But again, hopefully now that he's longer in charge, Disney and Fox will get together and right this wrong that has been going on for the last fifteen years.


EDIT: I thought of a good analogy. The Special Editions are like if Nintendo decided it was a good idea to paste the New Super Mario Bros graphics and music and maybe even the physics on the original Super Mario Bros and no longer offer the original in any form. Except the Special Editions are worse than that.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on November 01, 2012, 08:23:33 AM
I agree totally with preserving the Original films, always have, I also agree the Han Shot first scene is offensive. My thing is it's not this huge personality changing event that alters history of the character, it is just an ugly shot that makes no sense and a stupid change that only incites fans. I won't mention that anymore, it seems like the hot button issue among fans.


I did read somewhere else that the comic books are in danger of being effected, a spokeperson from Dark Horse said something to the effect of they are safe, for now but the future was uncertain. If Disney pulls the Star Wars franchise away from Dark Horse, that could pretty much kill Dark Horse as I understand its their only major property.



Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Adrock on November 01, 2012, 08:51:23 AM
Why George refused to do the same with Star Wars is beyond me.
George Lucas doesn't want them to exist and he's spent the last 15 or so years trying to purge them from people's memory. Ironically, the more he tries to do that, the more people hold onto the memory of those films.

Reactions to the sale are all over the map. I think it would benefit Disney greatly to release a restored version of the original cut. They would make a **** ton of money, placate fans of the originals, and everyone else who likes the special editions can pretend they don't exist. Disney doesn't have the desire for revisionist history as Lucas does.

The more I think about it, the more I dislike the idea of an Episode VII. Wasn't "The saga is complete" the tag line of Revenge of the Sith? I feel like it'd be better to leave it alone.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on November 01, 2012, 08:56:30 AM
They have already stated they are not interested in releasing the originals at this time, plus Fox still owns the rights anyways so nothing changes there.

As for the saga is complete, they have already updated the official site to reflect that, the movies will now be packaged as the Skywalker Saga. I think that might suggest a reissue with a new name coming up which would render the existing product highly collectible in the near future should that happen.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Do_What on November 01, 2012, 08:57:26 AM
Disney is all about revisionist history. They rewrite their own history all the time. Their entire play is nostalgia. Nostalgia works best when you change things to keep it more in line with people's memories than with what actually happened.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Adrock on November 01, 2012, 09:18:14 AM
I meant, in terms of Star Wars since Disney has no real reason to pretend the original films never happened. It's not the same thing as say, pretending their artists didn't put a dick on the VHS cover of The Little Mermaid.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 01, 2012, 12:18:04 PM
That is a urban myth that has been debunked, there were no penis drawn on the box, only people who have an obsession with phallic objects think there is.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on November 01, 2012, 02:56:56 PM
Uh, what? Sure, the myth is that it was done on purpose, but you can't argue that a phallus-shaped object wasn't drawn on the cover. Come on, dude.


http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/mermaid.asp
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Morari on November 01, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
And pussy law? I would hope Catina does not have one of those savage "shoot people I think are threatening me" laws that let you kill someone for looking at you wrong by claiming you thought they were gonna attack you.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”

--Robert E. Howard
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 05, 2012, 04:56:49 PM
For those who haven't heard, Lucas has said he will donate almost all of the $4.05 billion he is getting from the sale to an education charity. http://samuel-warde.com/2012/11/george-lucas-donates-4-billion-from-disney-sale-to-education/
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on November 05, 2012, 05:13:42 PM
Yeah. He's been doing stuff like that for a while. I may hate some of his film decisions, but he's a decent human being. Good for him.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 05, 2012, 09:21:34 PM
His bastardization of Star Wars negates any charity.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Ceric on November 06, 2012, 02:45:48 PM
I'm going to put this hear (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/8205-GREEDo-Shoots-First)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ThePerm on November 06, 2012, 03:29:27 PM
as far as using the actors go.....

keep han, luke as mentor characters

chewie, r2d2, and c3po.

No Leia...unless she's computer generated....
(http://www.mninstitute.com/storage/princess%20leia%20before%20and%20after.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1319222258943)

actually i googled it, she looks better now.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stogi on November 06, 2012, 03:31:16 PM
I don't see this as bad, especially if Brad Bird gets to direct the next one.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ThePerm on November 06, 2012, 03:35:36 PM
I nominate Seth Green

can you imagine Mark Hamill Training young Jedi?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stogi on November 06, 2012, 03:43:05 PM
Also, a side note - Why has Star Wars catered to children all of the sudden? Money is a good answer, but seriously. My favorite movie (granted I've only see two and the Clone Wars series) is Empire Strike Backs. There is a **** ton of killing and force choking and hand chopping in that movie. If it were made today, I bet you it would be brutal.

I don't care what they do with the series, but I wouldn't mind seeing some violence and actual cold-blooded chess play for the galaxy.

That is why my favorite space opera is Legend of the Galactic Heroes after all, and that didn't even have Jedis.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on November 06, 2012, 04:24:45 PM
There is an article I read on another forum, says all three are already agreed to do it since Lucas is not directly involved.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ThePerm on November 06, 2012, 04:55:23 PM
haha they should get George R. R.  Martin to write
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on November 06, 2012, 05:03:59 PM
Also, a side note - Why has Star Wars catered to children all of the sudden? Money is a good answer, but seriously. My favorite movie (granted I've only see two and the Clone Wars series) is Empire Strike Backs. There is a **** ton of killing and force choking and hand chopping in that movie. If it were made today, I bet you it would be brutal.

I don't care what they do with the series, but I wouldn't mind seeing some violence and actual cold-blooded chess play for the galaxy.

That is why my favorite space opera is Legend of the Galactic Heroes after all, and that didn't even have Jedis.


I think the template to look at is the original STAR WARS. It doesn't cater to kids, at least not exclusively, but it doesn't exclude them either. That movie is for everyone and it's great. Give me that for Episode VII and I'll be thrilled.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Ceric on November 06, 2012, 05:12:27 PM
Also, a side note - Why has Star Wars catered to children all of the sudden? Money is a good answer, but seriously. My favorite movie (granted I've only see two and the Clone Wars series) is Empire Strike Backs. There is a **** ton of killing and force choking and hand chopping in that movie. If it were made today, I bet you it would be brutal.

I don't care what they do with the series, but I wouldn't mind seeing some violence and actual cold-blooded chess play for the galaxy.

That is why my favorite space opera is Legend of the Galactic Heroes after all, and that didn't even have Jedis.


I think the template to look at is the original STAR WARS. It doesn't cater to kids, at least not exclusively, but it doesn't exclude them either. That movie is for everyone and it's great. Give me that for Episode VII and I'll be thrilled.
More importanly is how the Original Star Wars hooked kids into lucrative long term investments.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on November 06, 2012, 11:28:45 PM
Oh absolutely. That too.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: pokepal148 on November 07, 2012, 07:52:20 AM
I doubt lucas is gone completely, more then likely he will serve as an advisor, i imagine he will have a similar role in production to what he had in empire. Anyway i say the story should be based on the Thrawn Trilogy but with some cinematic modifications.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on November 07, 2012, 08:54:42 AM
They already said it will not be Thrawn trilogy, but something original. They said it is based on a treatment Lucas did a long time ago.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on November 07, 2012, 01:17:30 PM
Lucas has said that he's only gonna be a "creative consultant." What that means, who knows. However, he won't be as involved with Episode VII as he was with EMPIRE where he babysat the whole thing. He's retiring.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on November 07, 2012, 03:21:45 PM
I would like to see a collaboration of true fans/nerds working on this, from Kevin Smith, JJ Abrams, Seth Green, and it should start Shia Lebouf and the chick from Kick Ass, um Hit Girl not the girl friend.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ThePerm on November 07, 2012, 04:27:32 PM
lol i'm  waiting for Kevin Smith to announces his unretirement
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on November 07, 2012, 07:30:09 PM
lol i'm  waiting for Kevin Smith to announces his unretirement

Now you got me excited for another round of Robot Chicken Star Wars, come on Seth make it happen.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 07, 2012, 09:20:08 PM
It's gonna be three new Christmas specials.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on November 08, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
Kevin Smith has sucked for at least fifteen years. He won't be allowed anywhere near this.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 08, 2012, 08:44:11 PM
Kevin Smith has sucked for at least fifteen years. He won't be allowed anywhere near this.

Dogma would like to bitch-slap you. It came out in 1999 and is great, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back (from 2001) is also good). He's only made 6 movies in the last 10 years though.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on November 08, 2012, 10:13:03 PM
Yeah, I meant everything since DOGMA. CLERKS 2 is actually not awful, I forgot about that one. Either way, not even Smith's good movies suggest he could or should be involved with a Star Wars movie.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ThePerm on November 09, 2012, 12:10:39 AM
i think he should play an alien in a bar scene
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on November 09, 2012, 08:10:05 AM
Yeah, I meant everything since DOGMA. CLERKS 2 is actually not awful, I forgot about that one. Either way, not even Smith's good movies suggest he could or should be involved with a Star Wars movie.

You are missing the point of his movies then, his movies are made for nerds, plain and simple. he tackles relationships and stuff but mostly he just makes movies about nerds trying to look like normal people. He deep down is a huge Star Wars fan and has made some decent action movies so I think he could handle Star Wars and take it seriously.


Not that he would be involved chances are Disney wouldn't even approach him.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on November 09, 2012, 11:17:30 AM
re: Kevin Smith films:
 
Red State was quite good, I thought.
I think Dogma is excellent. Probably his best (but there are a few I haven't seen, like Chasing Amy which many regard as Smith's best).
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 09, 2012, 12:10:10 PM
I haven't seen Chasing Amy in a few years, but I remember liking it. I haven't seen Red State yet
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2012, 01:23:22 PM
I don't know the validity of this rumor, i saw it a few days ago and never bothered to actual look into it, but the RUMOR started that Disney was in talks to buy Hasbro.

And remember that Hasbro owns Transformers and My Little Pony, for you Botboys & Bronys out there.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 09, 2012, 05:23:29 PM
Yeah I was going to post that here but the rumor was the rumor was only around for a day before it got smashed by Hasbro.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/11/hasbro-denies-disney-rumors.html (http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/11/hasbro-denies-disney-rumors.html)

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Stock in the Pawtucket-based toymaker (HAS:Nasdaq) spiked 6.8 percent to $38.66 at the opening bell amid speculation that Disney (DIS:NYSE) was preparing a multi-billion dollar bid for Hasbro.
 
 Hasbro declined comment, citing its policy of not talking about rumor or speculation. CNBC analyst David Faber reported that Hasbro's advisors told him there's "absolutely nothing going on that they are aware of at all, in any way, shape or form" involving Hasbro or Disney.
 Wall Street analysts said a Disney acquisition didn't make much sense, just after Disney agreed to buy Lucasfilm Ltd. for $4.05 billion. And for any deal to happen, Hasbro would have to dissolve agreements with Disney's competitors.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on November 09, 2012, 06:03:30 PM
Disney doesn't need to buy Hasbro, just putting new Star Wars films on screen pretty much secures their future with all the toys to come.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on November 09, 2012, 06:51:10 PM
 
Disney doesn't need to buy Hasbro, just putting new Star Wars films on screen pretty much secures their future with all the toys to come.

Disney does need to buy Hasbro as they want major control of kid's entertainment. They have the girl's 5+ market down pact with all of the disney channel stuff. They still don't have the boys market locked down.

Right now the Marvel and Star Wars brand will go a long way in helping secure this market. Disney has to be feeling pretty bad for letting go of the power rangers brand a few years back, they let the brand die while a well placed nostaliga campagin from nickoloden has revied the brand immensely.

Disney buying Hasbro gains them a lot of things. Highly valued properties in Transformers, G.I. Joe, my little pony, beyblade, Magic the gathering, and dungeons and dragons.

Not only that but the pruchase of Hasbro would be a cross production wet dream.  You would have all these properties across what would become disney channels (XD, hub, disney channel) with disney now controling the mechadsing process for toys and such (instead of going through mattel and hasbro already does toys for transformers). Then you have all of the comics going though marvel instead of darkhorse (starwars) and IDW (transfomers and mylittlepony).

This puts them in a very good postion of printing money from one investement. They would be killing the middle man for the most part.

All disney would need now is a capable gaming divsion which probably wouldn't be hard to do. They have the lucasarts divsion as well as junction point. With a few smart aqustions and studio form ups (thq) they could control every thing.

Its scary and somewhat monopolstic and would probably be allowed to happen because even with that disney is still smaller compared to say news corp or time warner.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 09, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
shingi does make a lot of good points about this but I don't agree that they do not need to buy Hasbro because as I already pointed out it isn't happening. I also think that for a few other reasons the hypothetical buying of Hasbro would be bad for the company. Gravity Falls is a Disney cartoon and MLP:FIM is a Hasbro cartoon and while both are great cartoons that I love having them both under the same umbrella will cause to much conflict. There is also the fact that Hasbro has allowed to let the fanbase grow by leaving the videos and content up on youtube you have to go search for Gravity Falls episodes and the Gravity Falls stuff at times are not available in other countries thus removing most of the growth to the fanbase overseas.


Also going to throw out this link. Hasbro was the number 7 Licensor this year up from 12 last year according to this site so that may have been a possible reason for this rumor that has been smashed. http://www.rankingthebrands.com/The-Brand-Rankings.aspx?rankingID=234&year=454



 
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 09, 2012, 10:57:46 PM
Lucasfilm has confirmed that Star Wars Episode VII will be written by Michael Arndt, who won an Academy Award for writing Little Miss Sunshine and was nominated for writing Toy Story 3.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/new-star-wars-movie-michael-388424?google_editors_picks=true
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: toddra on November 10, 2012, 08:55:15 AM
I meant it as Hasbro does not need Disney to save them, once the Star Wars movies hit their toy line will be secure. As far as Disney goes, they won't buy Hasbro they have no need to, Marvel and Lucas are entertainment companies just like they are, Hasbro is a toy company what Disney would be interested in if anything would be their entertainment properties Disney does not now nor have they ever been in the toy business, they happily license their stuff out for a reason.

As far as the Power Rangers brand goes, I don't know what happened there  but I don't remember it ever being totally controlled by Disney it was always Saban and Bandai I thought. Disney was just one of many outlets that aired their stuff I doubt they were directly involved in the production for any significant length of time, if ever.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 10, 2012, 09:02:46 AM
Actually, Disney has been trying to get back the toy licenses for Marvel properties since buying Marvel.

As for Power Rangers, Disney bought the franchise in 2003. They then sold it back to Haim Saban (the creater of the English dub) in 2010. So they owned the franchise for 7 years, but by the end they didn't even bother to dub an entire season of the of the Sentai series into Power Rangers.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on November 10, 2012, 05:57:16 PM
I meant it as Hasbro does not need Disney to save them, once the Star Wars movies hit their toy line will be secure. As far as Disney goes, they won't buy Hasbro they have no need to, Marvel and Lucas are entertainment companies just like they are, Hasbro is a toy company what Disney would be interested in if anything would be their entertainment properties Disney does not now nor have they ever been in the toy business, they happily license their stuff out for a reason.

As far as the Power Rangers brand goes, I don't know what happened there  but I don't remember it ever being totally controlled by Disney it was always Saban and Bandai I thought. Disney was just one of many outlets that aired their stuff I doubt they were directly involved in the production for any significant length of time, if ever.
Brah Acquisition's aren't based on if a company needs saving? they just usually wait to get a better deal. Like I said Disney would be buying the IP but controlling the manufacturing of toys would be icing on the cake.  It would akin to how Samsung or apple have gotten so big in the tech field.
 
Plus being happy licensing changes once you have the means to produce your selves. For the longest time Boom Comics was known for make comics based around Disney properties that were really good and a bulk of the company's revenue. Right after Disney bought marvel that ended rather quickly and now marvel handles all Disney licensed comic material. The only expectations are reprints of older Carl Bank's stuff which is done by fantagraphics.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on November 10, 2012, 10:04:37 PM
Yeah, I meant everything since DOGMA. CLERKS 2 is actually not awful, I forgot about that one. Either way, not even Smith's good movies suggest he could or should be involved with a Star Wars movie.

You are missing the point of his movies then, his movies are made for nerds, plain and simple. he tackles relationships and stuff but mostly he just makes movies about nerds trying to look like normal people. He deep down is a huge Star Wars fan and has made some decent action movies so I think he could handle Star Wars and take it seriously.


Not that he would be involved chances are Disney wouldn't even approach him.

Nothing that you just said suggests he would be good at making a Star Wars movie. Smith is at his best with very small scale, dialogue driven movies. Star Wars is neither of those things. As a director, he's visually very plain and in a lot of cases boring which again wouldn't suit him to a Star Wars movie. And what are his decent action movies again? Unless I'm mistaken, COP OUT is as close as he's come to action and that suuuuuuuucked.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 10, 2012, 11:15:20 PM
Now that John Candy is dead who is going to play Barf?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: UncleBob on November 11, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
Getting rid of Power Rangers was the best thing Disney has ever done with the series.

It's not just Nick's Nostalgic campaign (which, I think, has more to do with the 20th anniversary that's coming up) for the series that has revived it - it's Saban's involvement with the series.  The man knows how to handle it while Disney... well, Disney took a lot of missteps.  A lot.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on January 25, 2013, 09:52:38 AM
Aaaaaand JJ Abrams is directing.

http://badassdigest.com/2013/01/24/jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-vii/ (http://badassdigest.com/2013/01/24/jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-vii/)

I think this is a fine choice. Abrams' STAR TREK '09 is very enjoyable despite having a terrible script, and a lot of that is due to JJ. Episode VII will probably be the best script he's ever worked with. I am quite curious to see how this movie will differ from TREK '09. I would guess he'll be much more restrained stylistically. I'm also glad they hired someone who has some weight to throw around. JJ will bring some personal touches and ideas to the table that won't be crushed by the giant corporate machine because he's JJ Abrams. At the very least, I thought TREK '09 was a really satisfying blend of practical effects/sets and CGI and hopefully he brings that to Episode VII.

Also, can we, the internet, stop making lens flare jokes? One, has no one ever seen CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND or DIE HARD? JJ didn't invent them, nor was he the first to have a lot of them. Two, they stopped being funny four years ago. It's just lazy.

Oh ALSO. Who's gonna do the score? John Williams or Michael Giacchino?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: gbuell on January 25, 2013, 10:07:50 AM
I'm fine with Abrams. I think Williams will score it if he's still alive.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Plugabugz on January 25, 2013, 10:37:18 AM
Aaaaaand JJ Abrams is directing.

http://badassdigest.com/2013/01/24/jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-vii/ (http://badassdigest.com/2013/01/24/jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-vii/)

I think this is a fine choice. Abrams' STAR TREK '09 is very enjoyable despite having a terrible script, and a lot of that is due to JJ.

It was due to the writers strike - meaning that when it was handed in that's what they had to make.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Ceric on January 25, 2013, 10:54:40 AM
I think JJ Abrams now is a bad choice.  Simply because you shouldn't have the same people at the helms for Star Trek and Star Wars.  As I mentioned on Twitter we are probably going to see a lot of little things about the universe be similar between the two because thats how he sees this type of setting.

If he wasn't doing Star Trek as well I think he be an excellent choice.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Morari on January 25, 2013, 12:32:07 PM
Abrams is a terrible director. He'd be great for Star Wars though. Mystical double-speak, meaningless action, no real characters or plot. He's already tried his hardest to pervert Star Trek into exactly what Star Wars already is. Maybe he'll leave real science fiction to the professionals and we can actually have that Worf spin-off that Michael Dorn has been talking about.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Ceric on January 25, 2013, 12:43:24 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the Worf Academy book turned into a movie or better yet the Red Alert Serious from lat 90's that spans multiple time periods and different aspect of the federation.  Be a 4 movie undertaking if memory serves.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stogi on January 25, 2013, 03:03:24 PM
The Star Trek movie was tits. Zoey Saldana...oh yeah.

I'm not a fan of Star Trek (I am a fan of Star Trek parodies....In Living Color, anyone?), so I don't have time invested like you poor folks. I thought the movie did fine to introduce the world,

It's funny that Disney would pick the same director. I think it maybe a futile attempt to have trekkies and warsies come together in a moment of catharsis.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Adrock on January 25, 2013, 03:34:41 PM
Disney has some history with JJ Abrams with Alias and Lost both being ABC shows so I'm not terribly surprised his name came up. Star Trek also seems like the kind of movie George Lucas wanted to make with the prequel trilogy, but didn't have it in him to make.

I felt like it would have been fitting if John Lasseter directed Episode VII as kind of a homecoming to Lucasfilm. I wonder if Disney approached any director of Pixar's films. Brad Bird did a fine job on Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 25, 2013, 05:57:12 PM
The Star Trek reboot was a good movie, just not a good Star Trek movie. I think Abrams is a better fit for Star Wars than he ever was for Star Trek.

Also, can we, the internet, stop making lens flare jokes? One, has no one ever seen CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND or DIE HARD? JJ didn't invent them, nor was he the first to have a lot of them. Two, they stopped being funny four years ago.

Michael Bay didn't invent explosions, and wasn't the first to overuse them, but I think it's perfectly fine to make fun of him for them. And I thought saying that Tatooine's two suns meant double the lens flare was pretty funny.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ThePerm on January 25, 2013, 05:57:48 PM
not sure if im excited about abrams. I just hope damon lindeloff is not involved. I don't need endless mysteries of hot air. I do need action though.

either way. in some way people who worked on that 70s show should be involved. That period hair is flawless.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on January 26, 2013, 06:26:05 PM
Aaaaaand JJ Abrams is directing.

http://badassdigest.com/2013/01/24/jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-vii/ (http://badassdigest.com/2013/01/24/jj-abrams-to-direct-star-wars-vii/)

I think this is a fine choice. Abrams' STAR TREK '09 is very enjoyable despite having a terrible script, and a lot of that is due to JJ.

It was due to the writers strike - meaning that when it was handed in that's what they had to make.

Yes. And also because Orci and Kurtzman are bad writers. Thankfully, those two and Lindelof will probably have minimal input, if they have any at all.


Also, can we, the internet, stop making lens flare jokes? One, has no one ever seen CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND or DIE HARD? JJ didn't invent them, nor was he the first to have a lot of them. Two, they stopped being funny four years ago.

Michael Bay didn't invent explosions, and wasn't the first to overuse them, but I think it's perfectly fine to make fun of him for them. And I thought saying that Tatooine's two suns meant double the lens flare was pretty funny.

It's not that I don't understand where these jokes come from, I just think both jokes are lazy and played out. There are plenty of things to criticize both Bay and Abrams for but explosions and lens flares are the easiest, most obvious surface level aesthetic details to mock. Either way, all of the lens flare jokes were made by the Monday after TREK '09 came out. I've been hearing the same joke for four years now. It's old.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 26, 2013, 11:07:56 PM
It's official, Lucasfilm has confirmed that Abrams will direct the movie: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/01/j-j-abrams-star-wars-2/
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Shorty McNostril on February 01, 2013, 07:01:17 AM
I can't wait to see the Plinkett review of this one.

Actually come to think of it, Plinkett actually says in his Star Trek 09 review that Abrams would be a good director for Star Wars. Maybe Plinkett is clairvoyant?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Sundoulos on February 01, 2013, 07:51:17 AM
I like the Abrams pick, and even though I grew up watching Star Trek (and was a fan), I still loved his treatment of the reboot.  I recently watched several of the movies, including the 2009 reboot, and the reboot remains one of the more entertaining entries.

I remain cautiously optimistic about the new Star Wars trilogy, and I'm beyond thrilled that I'm going to get the chance to take my kids to see Star Wars movies in the theaters.  Whether they're good or bad, there's just something exciting about that.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 01, 2013, 02:04:07 PM
I hate when people call the last Trek movie a reboot, which implies it is replacing the previous stuff. It is not, the movie (and the new one) are just in a alternate timeline. The real timeline still exists (albeit with Romulus destroyed) and I hope they soon go back to the Trek that everyone loves.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2013, 11:38:00 PM
I like the new trek the way it is, as a fresh start for those of its not familiar with the 30+ yr history of the material, nor interested in trying to catch up.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on February 02, 2013, 04:40:17 PM
I think you can still call it a reboot. Having it's own timeline and history makes it that even if it keeps the original in tact right?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 02, 2013, 04:48:24 PM
Actually, they have the same history, the real timeline and this Abrams timeline splintered at the moment Nero went back in time (when Kirk was a baby). Everything before that is the same. That means, for example, that the events of Star Trek: Enterprise are the same in both timelines. Regardless, I hate that they are creating a new timeline just to appeal to the dumbed down masses. It's like comic books scrapping 40 years worth of storylines just to try and appeal to people who are not even fans (and yes, I know that has happened). It wouldn't be so bad if they at least had a TV series with the normal timeline.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on February 05, 2013, 11:28:12 PM
We're getting so many Star Wars movies.

http://badassdigest.com/2013/02/05/its-official-star-wars-standalone-films-are-coming/ (http://badassdigest.com/2013/02/05/its-official-star-wars-standalone-films-are-coming/)

So in addition to the new trilogy, we're getting all kinds of other, singular, standalone Star Wars movies. There was a rumor a couple weeks ago that Zach (Zack? Zak? Who cares) Snyder was gonna make one of these non-trilogy Star Wars movies based on Seven Samurai. There is a more recent rumor of a spinoff all about Yoda. Some people think these two rumors are one in the same. It's the wild west on Star Wars rumors these days.

But anyway, these movies are going to be coming in the years in between the proper trilogy films. So starting in 2015, we're gonna get Star Wars movies every year for probably six years if not more. I think it's very possible if not very likely that these spin off films will be more interesting than the proper trilogy as they'll probably be given more creative freedom for directors to come in and put their own personal stamps on them.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: pokepal148 on February 06, 2013, 07:38:13 AM
i still say the thrawn trilogy is a great basis for 7-9
but honestly given that disney will take any excuse they can to rerelease something the original 'han shot first' versions will likely be rereleased
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ThePerm on February 06, 2013, 11:16:46 AM
ever since the cops Storm Troopers thing, this idea has appealed to me.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: TrueNerd on February 06, 2013, 10:09:37 PM
MOAR STAR WARS NEWS

http://badassdigest.com/2013/02/06/Han-Solo-Boba-Fett-Movies/ (http://badassdigest.com/2013/02/06/Han-Solo-Boba-Fett-Movies/)

So remember yesterday when I was excited about the standalone movies? Yeah not so much anymore. I was hoping we were gonna see entirely new characters and new corners of this universe and interesting directors doing interesting things. Instead we're just gonna get lame origin stories that ruin our favorite characters. First up, Han Solo. Do we really need to see him playing the card game with Lando where he won the Millenium Falcon? No. Do we need to see him befriend Chewie? No. Do we need to see the job he botched for Jabba? No. This movie is going to hit all of those beats and maybe some stupid Force and destiny ones too. Most importantly, do we need to see someone besides Harrison Ford play this character? Most definitely no. I just think there's no way we'll come out of that movie liking Han Solo as much as we do now.

The other movie is a Boba Fett movie, a character who has already been ruined by a terrible origin story. (His appearance in the prequels was one of the stupidest things ever.) I never really cared much about Boba to begin with but I think this has a good chance to be the more interesting standalone film of the two. If it's all about bounty hunters in space, I'm game. If it's THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY IN SPACE, I will love the hell out of it. If it's just Boba whining about Mace Windu killing his dad the whole time, I will hate it.

Hopefully that's all the big Star Wars news we'll get for a while.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ThePerm on February 06, 2013, 10:18:53 PM
the only way id like to see Han Solo story would be animated. Yoda as an origin story i'd be interested in. Mainly because Yoda has such a long life span. Boba Fett... unnecessary.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on February 07, 2013, 11:33:41 PM
I hate that they want to go back and revisit/revise the history instead of just moving the story along. Prequels were already disappointing for many reasons, and it seems like these movies would be made entirely of those things.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on April 20, 2014, 07:56:47 PM
-BUMP-


Posted about this on another forum and thought I would bring the conversation here too.


I am hoping that Disney gives the Star Wars series a Marvel treatment and gives us supplemental TV shows and spin-off films. We could even get some more animated projects. I would hope they can pick a point in the timeline and just move along from there and allow characters to age, die, and move on in the show with children and new characters taking their places down the road. there is a lot of potential and they have plenty of Extended Universe material they can pull from for initial scripts and rework the characters and plots for the films.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on April 21, 2014, 03:27:49 PM
As I remember, thats the thinking behind this. There is a framework for 6 new StarWars movies, 2 tv shows(not including "rebels"). Also Disney Infinity plus Star Wars  makes my wallet scared!
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on April 21, 2014, 04:27:09 PM
I'd hope that the TV show really just fills in the gaps between the movies or explores other areas of the franchise.  I listened to a Podcast a little while back that discussed what kind of Stars Movies they would like to see, and a lot of really good ideas came up.  One of the more interesting ones had to do with the early days of the Jedi.  I think a series focusing on how they basically became galactic peace keepers would be cool.  I also like the idea of exploring the origins of the Jedi in the first place.  It's described as a religion, which makes me wonder if, like other religions, there was a prophet and what his (or HER!) story might be.

Or, you know, like Jedi detectives. Or something.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on April 21, 2014, 09:49:09 PM
Is not Yoda the prophet? (i asked the question like Yoda so now it reads funny)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on April 21, 2014, 11:29:49 PM
If that's an honest question, I never felt that way.  It was referred to as "ancient" even before we meet Yoda.  And while Yoda is old, the religion is almost faded out in the original trilogy and still fairly prevalent and well established in the prequel trilogy.  That tells me that Yoda, while being the eldest, hasn't been around for the longevity of the faith.

However, I think it's mentioned that he outlived the rest of his species whose extinction could make for another fascinating story.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on April 22, 2014, 10:25:04 AM
I just want to know what his race is called.


If you include the Darkhorse comics "Tales of the Jedi" then the Jedi were a galactic peace keeping force 4000 years before Episode 4. These are events from before the "Knights of the Old Republic" game (the game actually references some of the characters and lore from the comics, which was a nice touch).


The stories actually begin relatively close to the discovery of hyperspace travel as there are explorers out mapping new routes and discovering new star systems.


I do wonder where the Jedi originated from. Did it start on one planet and spread with space travel? They appear to be quite numerous and entrenched in their position in the Republic serving Empress Teta from the get-go. Now that I think about it, were they even a Republic at that point if they had an Empress?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on April 22, 2014, 01:18:25 PM
Uh guys they've already confrimed a bit of what you guys are asking for. Right now the expanded universe is dead and the only things that are considered star wars Cannon are


The Six Films
Clone Wars TV series + the Darth Maul comic coming out this year.


Rebels is starting this year on Disney XD and will be about the period between sith and New Hope.  beyond that Disney has already stated that from here on out there is just one cannon and were going to get films every year.


2015- Star Wars 7
2016- Side film
2017- 8
2019- Side Film
2020-9


Expect to get Live Action as well as CG side films as well. Plus Marvel gets the lisence back next year and all comics published will fit into the new Cannon as well as Video Games.


Bleedingcool said Marvel met with lucasfilm a few weeks ago and there should be a couple of monthly ongoings launching.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 22, 2014, 04:08:37 PM
However, I think it's mentioned that he [yoda] outlived the rest of his species whose extinction could make for another fascinating story.
Well there was Yaddle (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yaddle) during Ep. 1.
Yaddle is canon.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2014, 04:16:09 PM
How long until the MCU and StarWars universes have a temporary crossover rift?

Maybe a 2022 Xmas special where The Sith Lords team up with Dr. Doom & Galactus to rule the Multiverse using Doombots, clones and Lightsabers vs The Avengers, The Defenders & Guardians of the Galaxy?

and then it all ends with a fade out of Stan Lee doing acid with George Lucas and the entire movie was a figment of their creative imaginations.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on April 22, 2014, 08:14:30 PM
However, I think it's mentioned that he [yoda] outlived the rest of his species whose extinction could make for another fascinating story.
Well there was Yaddle (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yaddle) during Ep. 1.
Yaddle is canon.

Yeah, I forgot a lot about Episode 1.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Phil on April 22, 2014, 08:34:09 PM
This got bumped...

Did Disney buy Lucasfilm AGAIN?!!
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on April 22, 2014, 08:43:37 PM
Well that is interesting to hear. I'm not opposed to disregarding the EU. Changes would have to be made to adapt to film in a way that would be engaging to all fans and potential viewers. But I do hope they take the EU into consideration. Keep the characters, alien designs and pieces of the lore and place it in some way into the future films in some way.


Can you link some reliable articles with any more details? I'm curious about what will happen with the EU novel series.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stogi on April 22, 2014, 08:50:09 PM
Not a big star wars fan, but that last season of the Clone Wars was amazing. Yoda's story in particular was crazy. Seriously, I couldn't stop watching it for a second. It's on Netflix BTW if you haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on April 23, 2014, 09:29:20 AM
In an ironic twist, Yoda is from earth.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
In an ironic twist, Yoda is from earth.

Yoda is actually a really old Asian monk. Shrunken from age, green from... [to be explained by a Marvel tie in]
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on April 23, 2014, 02:04:16 PM
Not a big star wars fan, but that last season of the Clone Wars was amazing. Yoda's story in particular was crazy. Seriously, I couldn't stop watching it for a second. It's on Netflix BTW if you haven't seen it.


I'm going through the Clone Wars series right now. It is part of the reason the Star Wars bug has bit me again. Too bad I got half way through the series because the out-of-order play list is really noticeable when you binge it. I may start over and watch them in continuity order and just skip the familiar episodes.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2014, 01:51:52 AM
can you post or link the "continuity" list?

I may play catch up on the seasons I haven't seen yet.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on April 24, 2014, 12:44:57 PM
can you post or link the "continuity" list?

I may play catch up on the seasons I haven't seen yet.


http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/2014/03/17/star-wars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder/


This is the official timeline. The more I watch the more I wish I did this from the get-go. I watch 2-6 episodes at a time while doing homework and the continuity errors are very noticeable. There are people who die that are alive later and major plot points that are reversed. The latter part of the series is better organized so I probably don't have much of a reason to go back through anytime soon.


Though it could be because I am a Star Wars nerd that they are noticeable.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on April 25, 2014, 03:48:36 PM
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-0/10274042_10152377966828713_5579597497645487202_n.jpg)

http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html


Main cannon is the six films and clone wars. All old expanded universe is now called legacy. The first new cannon content on screen is rebels and in print some books launching this year.

Haven't qtaxhed the video but it seems that every out this fall going forward is cannon and the old EU and new books in it aren't.

Yep

Quote
Going forward, Lucasfilm has begun mapping out the narrative future of Star Wars storytelling that will appear on film and television and in other media so that all projects will benefit from real-time collaboration and alignment. The future Star Wars novels from Disney Publishing Worldwide and Del Rey Books will now be part of the official Star Wars canon as reflected on upcoming TV and movie screens.

First book is titled Star Wars Tarkin and is set for 11/4/14, Heir to the Jedi in January and lords of the With in March.
(http://starwars.com/img/news/star-wars-a-new-dawn.jpg)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2014, 04:40:35 PM
Bumping the Star Wars thread as I stated I would in the movie/TV thread. I forgot that the novels were realigning this September as well. I guess I should wrap up the old novels. I'm hoping they allowed the Fate of the Jedi series to wrap up before doing this. Would hate to see the series get cut off as I was quite enjoying where it was going.


There was also that Legacy comic series that took place with Luke's great-grandson 100+ years after return of the Jedi. I never finished that. I liked where the series was going and watching the novels as they set up the framework for the Legacy series with Imperial Jedi, Sith and Alliance Jedi. It was like force wielders were the knight class of every major faction so it was allowing for more story potential.


I'm not going to be a stickler for them changing events between the legacy material and new works but I do hope they keep some semblance of continuity and the characters.


By continuity I mean keeping the general flow of the story where rebels fight to overcome the Empire post-Return of the Jedi until the formation of the New Republic and then move towards the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and deal eventually with the 'Jedi-Legacy' issues in some way.


By characters I just want to see most of the major and sub-major book characters make a return. Especially Han, Leia and Luke's kids. They can have more if Disney wants, but at least maintain the current ones in some fashion. Especially Jason Solo and his fall to the dark side.


For changes, I truly hope that they allow Thrawn to play a huge role in the series and not allow him to be killed off so easily.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on July 24, 2014, 01:20:13 PM
Well the expanded universe is dead according to disney. They'll thrown it all out for a One Star Wars Universe were everything rather it be films, games, comics, TV series are all the same level of cannon and will be made to work around and reference each other. From what I understand is they'll be taking from the old EU to build the new

So here's a list of all the projects coming up and what is cannon.


Film
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
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Star Wars Episode II: The Clone Wars
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Star Was Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
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Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
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Star Wars Episode V : The Empire Strikes Back
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Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
(http://img.lum.dolimg.com/v1/images/Star-Wars-Return-Jedi-VI-Poster_a10501d2.jpeg)

Upcoming Films

Star Wars Episode VII - 2015
directed by JJ Abrhams

Untitled Star Wars spin off film -2016
Directed by Gareth Edwards and with screenplay by Gary Whitta

Star Wars episode 8 - 2017
directed by Rian Johnson

Boba Fett spin off film -2018
Directed by Josh Trank

Star Wars episode 9 -2019
directed by Rian Johnson



Comics

Star Wars: Darth Maul : Son of Dathominor - 4 issue mini series ending in august
(http://www.rebelscum.com/comics/dhswDarthMaulDathomir01_WizardWorld2014.jpg)
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Getting cut in half by Obi-Wan Kenobi and being rejected by his former Sith master Darth Sidious isn't going to defeat Darth Maul. In fact, it only makes him mad enough to take on the galaxy—with an army of Mandalorians!
Interestingly enough its the only Dark Horse comic or previous written expanded universe book that was cannon. The four part series was supposed to be apart of clone wars season six and finish up the darth maul plot points left hanging in season five.

upcoming:
Three books should be announced this week at Comic-con


Television Series
Star Wars the Clone Wars
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Upcoming:
Star Wars Rebels - September 2014
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Books:
Star Wars: A new Dawn
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A prequel to Star Wars rebels

Star Wars Tarkin- November 2014
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In our second upcoming novel created in collaboration with the Lucasfilm Story Group, bestselling Star Wars veteran James Luceno gives Tarkin the Darth Plagueis treatment, bringing a legendary character from A New Hope to full, fascinating life.

Star Wars: Heir to the Jedi -early 2015
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140425200555/starwars/images/c/c2/Heir_to_the_Jedi.jpg)
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A thrilling new adventure set between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, and—for the first time ever—written entirely from Luke Skywalker's first-person point of view.

Star Wars : Lord of the sith - early 2015
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When the Emperor and his notorious apprentice, Darth Vader, find themselves stranded in the middle of insurgent action on an inhospitable planet, they must rely solely on each other, the Force, and their awesome martial skills to prevail.

Video Games


Upcoming:

Star Wars Battlefront -2105
A new Battlefield game made by EA and Dice

Untitled Star Wars game from Visceral
A new star wars game from the guys behind dead space
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on July 24, 2014, 03:38:28 PM
Yes, it is dead. I just hope they still use the material in their future projects. This is a nice chance to fix some problems and improve on others. Like I said, I just hope they include the major book characters in some fashion.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on July 24, 2014, 03:56:41 PM
Yes, it is dead. I just hope they still use the material in their future projects. This is a nice chance to fix some problems and improve on others. Like I said, I just hope they include the major book characters in some fashion.


Depends on how they use them right, I'd expect fans would be mad if Thwarn was used a villain on rebels, or say they bring in skykiller into season 2.


I'm interested in the fact that Disney seems to be killing the importance of Luke to the story.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on July 24, 2014, 05:45:26 PM
I think they realize that everything should not be pinned on the shoulders of one man.


I am optimistic on where they will take the franchise. Now where are our new wave of Star Wars games?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on July 24, 2014, 11:51:50 PM
The Star Wars Rebels comic-con panel.

http://www.newsarama.com/21681-sdcc-2014-star-wars-rebels-panel-live.html

The most intresting tidbits.

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How many lightsaber fights will there be? "There are pivotal lightsaber fights that are meaningful to the characters," Filoni said. "Kanan doesn't want to be out in the open. The Jedi that are alive don't want to be out in the open. But the force hasn't gone away - kids are still being born that can use the force. So part of our story is explaining that side of things, that doesn't have anything to do with Luke. The lightsaber fights will be saved for the pivotal moments, though."


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Collins asked the panel what it means to be a Rebel in this timeframe.

Kinberg said, "It's the very beginning - this is the origin story of the Rebel Alliance. These are people who are not part of an alliance. These are just four people, then five and a mech who are trying to claw back a little bit of territory from the Empire. If you told a story of the American Revolution and it was just five guys in a barn saying they were taking land from the British, that's what this is.

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Q: How much will we see of James Arnold Taylor as Obi-Wan in this new series?

Kinberg: "I don't know if we're allowed to say about these original characters, but more than you see in the trailer!"


So this is the foundations of the rebel alliance, we already know were seeing Lando, so I expect to see more of Obi-wan, as well as Bail and Leia Organa.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on July 25, 2014, 01:50:40 AM
They should had the guts to un-prequels the prequels. Rebels is going to be a suckfest since they just couldn't have a story without another fucking Jedi and another kid with an energy slingshot, Really? They didn't learn from the last time they had a kid?

The best stories had **** all to do with the force.

They need to do a series on Dash hack fraud Randar.

(http://i.imgur.com/52umgiR.png)
N64 best Randar
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on July 25, 2014, 02:03:48 AM
Is Randar the guy from shadows of the empire?


As someone doesn't think the prequels are all that bad (probably since I was 7 when it was released) but Disney as never going to get rid of what's been the driving force for the franchise for the past two decades.


I'm cautious that rebels won't go as deep as clone wars did. While The Clone Wars was still a kids show, I felt it did a good job of potryaling the war both on the front lines and on the political stage with the cspan in space stuff.


On the subject but here's a new trailer for Rebels




We probably won't get material thats in the thirty year gap till next year but i'm hoping one of the comics are in that era.  Maybe a TV series that takes place in that era after VII hits.


My guess is that the first spin-off film is going to be seven samurai adaption featuring Ashoa and Venturess.
 
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on July 27, 2014, 12:26:40 AM
So we indeed get the announcement of three new Star Wars comic's from Marvel which are apart of the whole everything is equal cannon. None of it is related to the dark horse books which is all legends material with the expction of Darth Maul: Son of Daithmuir. The three books will be launching between January and March

First up announced was the title just called Star Wars being written by Jason Arron with the art being done by John Cassidy (LOL). The series will take place directly after the destruction of the first death star and focus on Luke and Friends facing the empire directly after they receive those nifty medals (to weeks to be exact. This is the title launching in March.

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After handing the Empire a massive defeat, the ragtag Rebel Alliance is looking to press their advantage, so they plan a sneak attack in order to not let the moment slip away, according to Aaron.

The first issue opens with the heroes staging a daring raid on an Imperial locale "that of course goes exactly as planned as their plans always do," Aaron quips.

He considers Star Wars a team book of sorts but initially Luke is the engine that powers the narrative.

He's riding a high after being the one in the X-Wing Fighter who took down the Death Star. Still, he's a young guy who's fresh off the Tatooine farm and been thrust in the midst of this a cosmic war. Luke is seeking more info about his father Anakin, but doesn't know yet that he's really the baddest guy around.

"He's got a lot of questions but he can't look at the way things are and know that at some point it's going to come down to him having to face Darth Vader," Aaron explains. "He looks at that and says, 'That's the man who killed my father. He killed Obi-Wan. I've got to be able to stop him,' but he knows he's not ready for that.

"Yeah, he blew up the Death Star but if he doesn't figure something out, he's going to get himself and all his friends killed.

There's also the irony, Aaron adds, that Luke's in hot pursuit to learn more about his father while also running from Darth Vader, who's trying to figure who this kid is that took down their mighty space station. "You've got them chasing after each other without realizing they're chasing each other."

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/Star-Wars-1-Cassaday-cov-a7efd.jpg)


The second book launching in February is titled Star Wars: Vadar also takes place after the death star goes boom and deals with the impact this has with Vadar and with his quest to rearrest himself among the empire, as well his relationship with bounty hunters. The series will be written by Kieron Gillian and drawn by Salvadoor Looca.

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Gillen finds the political situation in Star Wars "fundamentally interesting." The Death Star was the Emperor's plan for 20 years and he didn't dissolve the old Galactic Republic until the beginning of Star Wars. "The Republic is in a shell form," the writer says, "and it's only with the threat of the Death Star they feel the will to go full fascist."
With the Death Star gone, the Empire scrambles for what to do next, and Darth Vader is somewhat to blame after a gambit to let the Rebels escape with the Death star plans failed miserably.

There's also a weirdness factor to that whole incident for him, too.

"Why the hell did Obi-Wan Kenobi show up after all these years? And the weird nagging feeling around that fighter pilot, the one who was mysteriously strong in the Force?" Gillen says. "By the time we get to Empire, Vader knows Luke is his son and we never get to see Vader's 'I am your father' beat, the moment when he realizes that his last 20 years have been built on some kind of lie."

One way Vader is trying to reclaim his previous status is by building his own power structure within the Empire, like his own KGB, and bringing in bounty hunters — the scene in Empire Strikes Back where Vader rounds up Boba Fett, Bossk, Dengar, IG-88 and others to go looking for Han Solo was key for Gillen in that respect.

"He really is a micromanager," the writer says of Vader. "It's like, 'Darth, you have bigger things to do than briefing bounty hunters.' And he knows them. He says, 'No disintegrations,' pointed explicitly at a certain member. There is past experience or at least reputation.

"In some ways what I'm doing is a backstory behind that. Darth needs to get stuff done that he can't do explicitly within the Empire. While he's still obeying the Emperor's orders, he's also doing his own thing, in which he needs his own assets."

To do all that, Vader builds his own droids — since pre-teen Anakin Skywalker was really good at that in the movie prequels — plus wrangles bounty hunters as well as smugglers and other members of the underworld.


(http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2014/07/Star_Wars_Vader_Granov_Cov.jpg)

The last book and the one i'm looking forward to the most is Star War: Princess Leia which is  five issue mini series that with the aftermath of Alderaan being destroyed. Its about her taking her bootstraps and trying rebuild what's left of her Planet and people.  The series will be written by

info from a interview with Mark Waid

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Not all of them will roll out the welcome wagon, he adds. "Some of them are very reluctant to be seen because they're terrified this is a trick. Some of them are angry at Leia because they hold the House of Organa responsible for the destruction of Alderaan."

Adding to the obstacles: Before her run-in with the Empire, Leia always held some sway and authority wherever she would go in the galaxy, yet now she's working from a position of abject poverty.

"She's working from quite the disadvantage but she's a very determined, strong young woman," Waid says.

Although she's trying to travel on the downlow, the Empire begins to realize what Leia's up to.

"They take a great interest in where the process is and what they might be able to extract from her and what they might be able to extract from the other Alderaanians she's gathering," says Waid, adding that the series will establish a new arch nemesis for Leia on the Imperial side.
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edit:

Del Ray announced the fifth Star Wars Nuverse books which is currently untitled but will star Asajj Ventress and Quinlan Vos. Its going to be based on a script for the clone wars season 7, but its unclear where in the timeline it takes place in. The book will be releasing summer 2015.

(http://www.theforce.net/2014/asajjquinlanbookannounce.jpg)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on July 30, 2014, 11:53:40 PM

Some Clips from Rebel's






Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on July 31, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
I'm getting an error on those videos. Is anyone else able to view them? I'll try again later.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on July 31, 2014, 10:20:10 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 04, 2014, 05:44:34 PM
I just treat Star Wars like I do Transformers and make up my own canon. Screw Lucas he can't even make up his mind about the actual films and they are supposed to be the law when it comes to canon. I don't trust Disney to be any better. I am excited for the new film but nothing else at this time.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 04, 2014, 11:10:01 PM
George Lucas did make up his mind everything but the films and clone wars was non cannon. Disney wiped everything but that out and now everything is cannon.


The first seven minutes of Star Wars Rebels
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 05, 2014, 12:28:57 PM
George Lucas did make up his mind everything but the films and clone wars was non cannon. Disney wiped everything but that out and now everything is cannon.


The first seven minutes of Star Wars Rebels

Obviously I was refering to his constantly changing the movies that are supposed to be canon but can't be taken seriously if he keeps changing them hence my comment how he can't make up his mind what is cannon.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 05, 2014, 02:01:43 PM
George Lucas did make up his mind everything but the films and clone wars was non cannon. Disney wiped everything but that out and now everything is cannon.


The first seven minutes of Star Wars Rebels

Obviously I was refering to his constantly changing the movies that are supposed to be canon but can't be taken seriously if he keeps changing them hence my comment how he can't make up his mind what is cannon.


He never changed what was cannon, only the six movies and the 3D clone wars. But he doesn;t have a say anymore and only the Lucas Film story group says what's cannon. which at this point will be





Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 05, 2014, 05:25:17 PM
The sound effect being from the OT helps this rebels show a lot for me.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 05, 2014, 05:42:50 PM
alright smart ass what is canon then Han shooting Greedo out of cold blood or Han shooting Greedo in self defense? Maybe most of the changes are subtle but he HAS changed the films so how can they be regarded as Canon when he has changed his mind on them. I am not saying he has ever stated the films are not canon I am saying he KEEP CHANGING  the films. Sure NOW Disney is in charge but what is going to stop them from keeping the tradition going or which versions do they consider canon the Theatrical Cuts, the Special Editions, or the DVD cuts, or the Blu Ray cuts, or whatever new fangled SE they release next?

In the original theatrical cut Luke never re-unites with his buddy from Tatooine but he DOES in the Special Editions. That is a change to the canon, because unless you count the books that moment either never happened or it did. Boba Fett dies in Return of the Jedi but wait in the books he is still alive, now he never actually edited the movie to alter Boba Fett dieing but there is nothing stopping them from doing that, not to mention he changed the entire appearance of the Sarlacc which appearance is canon the original or the altered? Do you get what I was saying now?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on August 05, 2014, 08:30:31 PM
Who cares?  None of your examples matter to the story and are minor details. 

The possibility of editing the films to have Boba Fett escape would be pointless.  No body, no death.  That's the rules.

And if they change the movies, then they change the cannon.  Big whoop.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 05, 2014, 09:17:42 PM
Who cares?  None of your examples matter to the story and are minor details. 

The possibility of editing the films to have Boba Fett escape would be pointless.  No body, no death.  That's the rules.

And if they change the movies, then they change the cannon.  Big whoop.

All I was saying is if Lucas can't even make up his mind what is "final" then why take his word for it? And he doesn't own them anymore but he is still working as a story consultant so he still gets a say. Anyways it doesn't matter that was my original point, the canon is too fucked up anyways I make my own.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 05, 2014, 11:25:49 PM
Han shot first is not important to the plot directly for New Hope, but it is a defining character moment that colours his character's actions. It provides the context, important background information which becomes hugely important in the sequels. It was only a couple of seconds, but it was a very important couple of seconds.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2014, 12:15:06 AM
Han shooting Greedo was always self-defense. This is a bounty hunter trying to capture him and take him back to an angry, violent mob boss. Calling it cold blood is ridiculous. He didn't notice Greedo in the bar and go over and kill him for no reason, he killed him to escape.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 06, 2014, 12:43:58 AM
Obi-wan is a gaint bull shitting douche with the whole from a certain point of view thing. 
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 06, 2014, 02:04:34 AM
Obi-wan had to lie, but he also had to do it in a way that was consistent so he wouldn't be caught out unexpectedly. Luke would have more than likely gotten himself killed or turned.

Han shooting Greedo was always self-defense. This is a bounty hunter trying to capture him and take him back to an angry, violent mob boss. Calling it cold blood is ridiculous. He didn't notice Greedo in the bar and go over and kill him for no reason, he killed him to escape.
This is true. The order of the shooting changes him from being active to reactive. Han shooting first shows he knew what was coming and he did what he needed to do to look out for number 1. It shows a person who is actively changing events compared to a person who passively lets events happen to him. This is reenforced by his statements on not believing in the Force during the trip to Alderran.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2014, 03:51:06 AM
But the shots were nearly simultaneous, and Han was going for his gun well before Greedo shot. I really don't see how Greedo shooting and missing a half second before Han does is any significant change to his character. It's an unnecessary change to the movie, but not a particularly significant one.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 06, 2014, 09:58:12 AM
I agree 100% with insanolord on the self defense aspect, always have held that view BUT it is not true they shot similtaneously that was fixed in later versions in the ORIGINAL, I have it on LaserDisc btw, Greedo never gets a shot off he just gets his head blasted and falls to the table. Han shoots at the exact moment he says "I bet you have BLAM Greedo dead. YES Greedo had the gun pointed already but he never got off a shot in the ORIGINAL.

Also go back to the Luke reuniting with his buddy, it doesn't change the story MUCH but it is a different tone to the scene, going in having just lost Obi-Wan and knowing he is about to die puts him in a down mood until Obi-Wan shows up and reminds me to have hope and to trust in the Force. Being reunited with his friend a moment before take off helps explain why he was in such an unusually good mood for a man about to die. It also changes the impact of the guy dieing a few moments later, having no reason to react his expression never made much sense but adding that little touch did alter the story and the moment even if slightly.

Also go back to the Jabba scene, with that removed you do not know anything about why Han is running from Jabba only that he is. That scene explains a lot of back story, if you leave that back story out it is up to the viewer to image it, the back story is different in the books anyways so hence the idea that he can't make up his mind on what is canon because the scene is the same as the novelization if you do not count the novelization as canon then is that scene canon or not? ONLY if you go by the special editions and later if you ONLY go by the theatrical cuts it is not canon. I KNOW all minor details but lets be honest hard core nerds/Star Wars fans DO obsess over the minor details and lets be even more honest, nobody can agree what is actual canon anyways, some people ignore the "official" canon, and the Official canon unofficially keeps changing.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 06, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
Maybe its because I was seven when The Phantom Menace came out, but I don't think the prequels are all bad. I do find that tonally they draw some weird like between C-span in space and too much CGI to appeal to kids.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 06, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
I was 16 when the Phantom Menace came out and I LOVE it its my second favorite Star Wars film, the people who **** on it do so for really odd reasons. I agree the tone is kind of off and Jar Jar is totally annoying but I was equally annoyed as a kid by C-3PO so I am okay with it to a certain degree. The ONE thing I hated was the damn Podrace scene and yes he even modified that from the theatrical release by extending it out making it even longer and more pointless.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 06, 2014, 11:31:59 AM
The Jabba scene was extremely gratuitous and poorly done. Jabba didn't need to be shown, that was what Greedo was for. Why would a big Mafia boss go out of his way to see some two bit smuggler when he has minions.

The prequels were just awfully bland, lazy, emotionless, sub PG nonsensical mess that looked bad even back when they were released that made a mockery of the originals. Back then I was a dumb teenager, but even then I noticed they were seriously off movies. This series of "Reviews (http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/)" pretty much covers why they were terrible.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 06, 2014, 11:38:34 AM
The Jabba scene was extremely gratuitous and poorly done. Jabba didn't need to be shown, that was what Greedo was for. Why would a big Mafia boss go out of his way to see some two bit smuggler when he has minions.

The prequels were just awfully bland, lazy, emotionless, sub PG nonsensical mess that looked bad even back when they were released that made a mockery of the originals. Back then I was a dumb teenager, but even then I noticed they were seriously off movies. This series of "Reviews (http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/)" pretty much covers why they were terrible.


Bullshit, I've seen those reviews before and I get sick of people pointing to them like his word is the damn law or something. He makes some points but he misses a lot of points too.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2014, 01:18:21 PM
I don't hate the prequels to anywhere near the extent a lot of people do, but at the same time I'll acknowledge they're a big step back from the originals. Lucas with the prequels reminded me of Hideo Kojima with Metal Gear, in that he had total creative control, with no limits and no one to say no to him, resulting in end products that, while certainly not without redeeming qualities, were overly self-indulgent.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 06, 2014, 01:23:15 PM
I have to ask, what is good about the prequels.

It wasn't the characters. Most definitely not the acting. The plot is absurd. The fights were a bunch of dudes dancing . The battles made 1914-1918 tactics and equipment look like genius. Lets not forget the Yoda battle where I LMAF at how clownishly asinine it was. The movies don't give you any new information that doesn't ruin the original trilogy. The camera work is beyond lazy. The editing stuff it full of filler in a film that already has built-in pacing issues.

I have seen edits of the prequels where they try to enhance the movies, but it barely makes a dent as the material is so fundamentally beige and without substance everyone would be better off just erasing the prequels from history. The whole prequel enterprise showed how much GL "Lucked out" on New Hope and how he never really understood what made them great. The special editions of the original trilogy is another symptom of this, the edits are gratuitous, filler or downright asinine.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2014, 01:30:18 PM
I think the overarching story of how Palpatine manipulated everyone to put himself in power is actually pretty good, although the way it was told was total horseshit. Also, the big set-piece battles were really good too, with modern effects tech opening up a lot of possibilities. As far as the special editions go, those were actually the first time I ever saw the original trilogy, which is probably a big part of why I'm not as upset with them as a lot of people.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 06, 2014, 02:08:13 PM
I found the polticing to be interesting and most of the one on one battles were awesome. Maul vs obi-wan and Qui-gon was amazing.

Even in the clone wars as cool as Cad Bane was I much prefered the episoides dealing with the the clones and more slow paced disscuions of what happens during a war.

The best story arcs of the shoe are
The Mandalore Arc from start to finish
The clone arc dealing with fives from his promotion to his death.
The arc dealing with the separatist who's killed and son becomes involved with asokha.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 06, 2014, 02:15:43 PM
The set piece battles were nonsensical. You got all this space technology, but you fight like it's WW1/ACW but both sides just throw bodies into a grinder in a line with orders that consists of "Kill the other guys". There weren't anyone to root for. Are you going to care about faceless clones or equally faceless robots.

The OT battles made sense. Both sides had different attitudes and restrictions to consider. Changes to the status quo meant a change in tactics. There were people in the battle you cared about or could relate to even temporarily. They didn't fight because they were told to, they fought because they believed in something.

The story of Palpatine's rise could of being pretty good. It is a far better angle that might have help cut out a lot of the terribleness. But the odds are that regardless of the story being told, it would have been botched due to the underlying environment in which they would have been made in.

There was that game where you played as the team leader of a squad of clones that was pretty alright. It was fun and was fairly unique at the time. It hasn't aged well technologically, but being a product of it's time it had quite a few redeeming qualities.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 06, 2014, 02:55:46 PM
     I was 21 when Episode I came out and I thought is was awesome. Didn't hate Jar Jar at all (messa all sparkly glowey). I find the notion that the prequels are trash and the OT movies are gold most puzzling.


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Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on August 06, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
I was three was Episode I came out.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 06, 2014, 09:15:20 PM
The set piece battles were nonsensical. You got all this space technology, but you fight like it's WW1/ACW but both sides just throw bodies into a grinder in a line with orders that consists of "Kill the other guys". There weren't anyone to root for. Are you going to care about faceless clones or equally faceless robots.

The OT battles made sense. Both sides had different attitudes and restrictions to consider. Changes to the status quo meant a change in tactics. There were people in the battle you cared about or could relate to even temporarily. They didn't fight because they were told to, they fought because they believed in something.

The story of Palpatine's rise could of being pretty good. It is a far better angle that might have help cut out a lot of the terribleness. But the odds are that regardless of the story being told, it would have been botched due to the underlying environment in which they would have been made in.

There was that game where you played as the team leader of a squad of clones that was pretty alright. It was fun and was fairly unique at the time. It hasn't aged well technologically, but being a product of it's time it had quite a few redeeming qualities.

Damn I want to call you an idiot but that would be mean. DUH their battles were like that they have NEVER FOUGHT A WAR in over a thousand years, NOBODY had experience that was a big part of the story obviously you never watched them if you never picked up on the WHOLE POINT of the politics, it was a debate about creating an Army in a society that was used to thousand years of PEACE. Of course by the time the rebels came along they learned to fight they had the mistakes of their parents to learn from.


Also anyone who bitches about Jar Jar (a giant FROG inspired by Kermit who you all adore, hypocrites) but you have NO ISSUE with a giant bear who growls and everyone can understand him?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2014, 09:20:15 PM
Even if he is based on Kermit, it's not at all hypocritical to like a character in one context and not like a worse version of that character in a completely different context.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 06, 2014, 09:22:28 PM
fair enough but you skimmed over the issue of the bear who talks in growls. How is that NOT silly but Jar Jar is?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 06, 2014, 09:26:39 PM
I don't know that I'd say Chewbacca isn't silly, but I'd certainly argue he's significantly less silly. Jar Jar's just there to be the comic relief, while I'd say there's more depth to Chewbacca's character.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 06, 2014, 09:38:29 PM
I don't know that I'd say Chewbacca isn't silly, but I'd certainly argue he's significantly less silly. Jar Jar's just there to be the comic relief, while I'd say there's more depth to Chewbacca's character.

And Jar Jar is in less screen time than Chewie. In fact Jar Jar is only hardly in the first movie, he takes a back seat in Episode Two and is barely seen for a quick second in Episode 3. If you hate Jar Jar fine, and I certainly do don't get me wrong, but how can he ruin the entire experience when he is such a small part of it anyways? I am not saying they are above criticism, who would? I am also saying the same of the classics too they had their equal share of flaws but we over look them because of warm fuzzy childhood memories. I believe that wholeheartedly because someone who grew up with the Prequels tends to defend them equally, kids who weren't emotionally attached at all tend to enjoy them equally. Then there is the sub-set of the OT fans who hate Jedi because of the Ewoks but are okay with the first two, the fanbase is divided almost entirely by age differences and how old you were when you first saw them.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 06, 2014, 09:57:42 PM
Chewie is fucking awesome all around. The OT version of Jar Jar is C3PO.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 06, 2014, 10:57:56 PM
Chewie is fucking awesome all around. The OT version of Jar Jar is C3PO.
Yes, and C3PO is the worst character throughout the entire series.  Prequels, Cartoons, and Original Trilogy. 

Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Wah on August 06, 2014, 11:05:49 PM
The old republic would be a good idea!
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 07, 2014, 02:52:40 AM
Y'all need to stop hating on Jar Jar, simply because you can't understand the depths of his character. I hope that JJ brings back Jar Jar as an awesome cloaked out space ninja that isn't revealed to be him until half way into episode 8. Get every body to love him then drop the bomb and watch the haters run for shelter.


I'm only half joking and would truly love this to happen.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 07, 2014, 03:04:52 AM
Put Boba Fett in there, have him doing awesome stuff for a while, and then he takes off his helmet and it's Jar Jar.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 07, 2014, 07:40:45 AM
Hey man, passive aggressively calling someone an idiot doesn't mean you didn't call them an idiot and not be mean about it. But I am not the type to report people.

The idea that any large organization doesn't have a group of enforcers or security experts to enforce basic things like taxation or to police civil unrest or piracy is absurd. Your telling me in thousands of worlds over countless number of sentient beings, over a thousand years there weren't ever any Hitler wannabes or warlords in their own fiefdoms that had more power than the Jedi could handle? **** me, even a Badminton club has members temporaliy take on a tax man role to enforce the fees needed to run the club.

The peaceful planet of Naboo has a trained police force while lacking heavy ground weapons, had some pretty good starfighters and pilots trained to use them. These police forces knew how to do things like take cover, lay ambushes, VIP protection, assaults and other small unit tactics. The Queen has blasters in the throne ready to use and wasn't shy about it. These were people who knew what conflict is and how to fight. Repeat this over the entire Republic and you have a fighting force to call on. It would be pretty damn ram shackled, but it would have made sense for the Republic like the UN make a Call to Arms to fight when needed.

That Clone War could have been awesome. Ships and fighters from hundreds of worlds fighting a desperate struggle against seemingly endless Stromtroopers with superior fire power using terror tactics like glassing planets. The Republic fighters would fight an organized open battle only on their terms. Each Species would bring different weapons, ideas and skills to the fight. The Republic would be defeated of course in time and become a puppet government, but not before striking a devastating blow that stops the clones in a phyric victory that forces them underground to form the Rebellion.

Or I could have just said that you telling me that the idea of people having literally forgotten how to fight despite being able to build and develop fleets of war machines is beyond absurd.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 07, 2014, 09:15:53 AM
Hey man, passive aggressively calling someone an idiot doesn't mean you didn't call them an idiot and not be mean about it. But I am not the type to report people.

The idea that any large organization doesn't have a group of enforcers or security experts to enforce basic things like taxation or to police civil unrest or piracy is absurd. Your telling me in thousands of worlds over countless number of sentient beings, over a thousand years there weren't ever any Hitler wannabes or warlords in their own fiefdoms that had more power than the Jedi could handle? **** me, even a Badminton club has members temporaliy take on a tax man role to enforce the fees needed to run the club.

The peaceful planet of Naboo has a trained police force while lacking heavy ground weapons, had some pretty good starfighters and pilots trained to use them. These police forces knew how to do things like take cover, lay ambushes, VIP protection, assaults and other small unit tactics. The Queen has blasters in the throne ready to use and wasn't shy about it. These were people who knew what conflict is and how to fight. Repeat this over the entire Republic and you have a fighting force to call on. It would be pretty damn ram shackled, but it would have made sense for the Republic like the UN make a Call to Arms to fight when needed.

That Clone War could have been awesome. Ships and fighters from hundreds of worlds fighting a desperate struggle against seemingly endless Stromtroopers with superior fire power using terror tactics like glassing planets. The Republic fighters would fight an organized open battle only on their terms. Each Species would bring different weapons, ideas and skills to the fight. The Republic would be defeated of course in time and become a puppet government, but not before striking a devastating blow that stops the clones in a phyric victory that forces them underground to form the Rebellion.

Or I could have just said that you telling me that the idea of people having literally forgotten how to fight despite being able to build and develop fleets of war machines is beyond absurd.


Um yes they had a police force they were called the Jedi, who used their magical powers to you know scare people. It took a Sith to get the people to stand up to the Jedi that was the whole point, the people were subdued by the power of the Jedi and they were afraid of them and couldn't rise up because they had mind control powers. Calling you an idiot was rude, I said that in my post but you are right. The point is you didn't watch the movies that closely if you missed the entire point of the struggle. Look at the way the Trade Federation leadership cowers at the Sith Lord they struck a deal with, in their entire history NOBODY has ever stood up to the Jedi, they were terrified of the Jedi when they were sent to "force a settlement" they even called Sidious up and told him they failed they dared not go against the Jedi, how could anyone in the entire galaxy stand up to that power. These trade federation people had a droid army built for this sort of thing, it was well established the Jedi were guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, we can see they have amazing super powers and are in total control of the government not to mention exist in huge numbers and get their powers at such a young age that it would make no sense for anyone to ever step out of line.

Tatooine was a fringe planet on the far outskirts of the galaxy and was not a member of the republic it was controlled by Hutts, who were a savage race with powerful military but the Hutts also dared not to go against the power of the Jedi, they were immune to their mind control but not their other super powers so they took control of what territory they could and ruled, like the Jedi, with fear.

All of this is explained in the movies a child could get them, hence why I felt the need to use the term idiot because it refers to someone who misses something so obvious a child could get it. You are not an idiot obviously so that was wrong of me, but you are missing the entire point of the friggin movies which shows me you either never did watch them and get your entire opinion from that dumb ass review, or you somehow didn't even pay any attention at all whatsoever to the story, which makes your points sound ignorant at the very least.

Look at the scene were Obi-Wan and Anakin chase a criminal into a crowded bar and they proclaim Jedi Business and walk around all tall and arrogant and nobody interferes with them, that shows that even the people who would normally break the law were terrified of them.

Now lets address the police force, suppose they had one which I assume they did, the Jedi were not cops they were more like Knights, hence the term but anyways. A police force was shown to exist on Naboo, they even stated they were inexperienced for fighting a war, suppose the Chicago police were invaded by terrorists from whoever, do you think THEY wold be prepared to fight a proper war? No they would not they have all the experience in the world with violent crime but no knowledge of strategy. OUR society is war friggin crazy and so it is in our culture every American alive has at least rudimentary knowledge of the basics of war, because on our planet in our society war is normal.

In this fantasy galaxy where human beings can manipulate the force and do amazing feats of magic and super human agility, they live in a society that is portrayed to be so advanced they do not experience war on a large scale. They said there were regional conflicts so in those areas yes their soldiers would have some experience but not every system in the galaxy.


NOW take Gungans, the people in the movie, they were underwater people living on peaceful planet with no history of war and were not plugged into current affairs, even if say the Naboo had sent their army to fight they might have had some knowledge of war tactics which is why they were chosen to lead the assault on the city, they had the experience the queen needed to get to the Vice Roy, do you think Boss Nass would have been able to do that? No of course not. While the Gungans proclaim they had a grand army, with nobody to actually wage war with it was more a ceremonial thing than anything, they didn't ever leave their underwater bubbles and had no relations with the Naboo so they didn't have anyone to use their army against so their tactics would be primitive. Now take the Trade Federation army, a bunch of robots that were built to be security officers fresh off the assembly line being unpacked for their first battle sent out to fight against the primitive Gungans. Alright an Army of droids that can not be killed marching into an army of frogs who have never fought a war who have the equivalent of rocks, is it really a stretch of the imagination to see the battle going as it did? No it was not, it made perfect sense and arguing otherwise is fabricating an excuse to hate the movie which is my primary beef with that review and the people who offer similar criticism, people who just hate the movie because its popular to do so and nitpick over tiny details that are CLEARLY explained in the movie.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 07, 2014, 10:16:16 AM
I am not going to respond to that because you're ranting with runaway sentences that don't actually address the points covered in a coherent fashion. Calm down. Have a think, and try again when you're in a more stable state of mind.

I have clearly hit a nerve and as much as I prodded The name the must remain unspoken, you are not deserving of such punishment at this juncture.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 07, 2014, 11:28:19 AM
The last paragraph covered the whole point, the Gungans were a primitive race that was the issue you had the battle in Episode 1 against battle droids, the sequel, Attack of the Clones was ten years later, after the unrest took over. You can read it and get my argument without being dismissive like that I read  yours, you failed to address the issue of the one battle you complained about, I did. You made it sound like the entire Republic fought in pre-WW1 formations and tactics, false it was one battle, a distraction battle that was staged by the way, lead by a bunch of underwater folk who had not fought a war in untold generations, Naboo was a peaceful planet they explained that. I mentioned the Jedi as a police task force I also mentioned how in a real war the Chicago Police of the united state, a society built on war, would not be capable of fighting a proper war if it was up to just them, they address this in the movie security personal are not the same as trained solders, hell anyone who lives in our society should know that, it doesn't need to be explained and they still explained it just for those who couldn't pick up on it on their own.


Let's just focus on your complaint, the single battle which is what we were talking about. Even if you take into account the entire Republic yes it would make no sense for them to NOT have some military training somewhere Even though they explcititly mention this in the movies, Attack of the clones they are debating the formation of an army because there has not been war since the formation of the Republic, that was the gist of the entire story. Suppose there were outlaws, fair enough and like you said tax enforcement, it is well established that is what the Jedi were there for, again I spelled that out but because you are hung up on grammar you can't even try to read my post whatever.

Like I said, you make it sound like that battle was unrealistic because they were an advanced civilization that had all this weaponry, except they weren't, they had weapons but no organized military, the Jedi council even stated they could not fight a war they were not prepared for it. The clone army was set up by Palpatine who was manipulating the entire Senate using the force. The Jedi also shown in the movies they used the force and their powers to intimidate people into submission. Even a well trained police force could not fight a proper war.

Now look at JUST the battle of Naboo, the security forces were the ones who went to the city to fight the well trained battle, where soldiers did take cover and fight like proper soldiers if you WATCHED the movie. It was just the Gunans who marched into battle throwing rocks, again that was George Lucas hang up on showing promitives toppling advanced societies he did it in Jedi with the Ewoks by the way so if you going to take issue with the Battle of Naboo might wanna also talk **** on Battle for Endor while we are at it.


The battle of Naboo was an issolated incident, they established that in the opening paragraph the  planet is under embargo no trade in or out, they are under siege even if there was a UN type task force, there was in a way the Jedi, who were dispatched to force a settlement, but even in that context they were blocking communication and Palpatine was their voice in the Senate and he was manipulating the events so obviously he didn't want the issue to spread which is why they called for a task force to investigate the accusations, politics got in the way, but I guess you slept through that scene and missed that entire plot point anyways.

The battle of Naboo was a ruse, they even stated that it was a decoy and the Gungans were only there to keep the Battle Droids away from the city, they, the Gungans having no experience in war had no clue what they were doing, they said they had an army but they made no indication they were battle hardened, their neighbors were the Naboo who had no relations with them apparently so the Gungans had nobody to fight.

Now you can read my original post and this one which spells it out and then decide if the battle makes no sense or if it actually does in context your choice but if your threatening me with what I think you are then we are done here anyways.



My issue is when someone make a statement that one battle ruined the whole movie and then bitches about it like it was unrealistic in a space fantasy that bends the rules of reality anyways, seems nitpicky to me. Why not just say what you really think, George Lucas ***** your childhood and that is your hatred for the movie. You can criticize the acting fine, go ahead but saying the movie is bad because a staged battle between a primitive inexperience underwater society against brand new battle droids fresh off the assembly line somehow ruins the entire movie you didn't pay that much attention. Which is fine if you don't like the movie I don't care I have no stake in you liking the movie but don't make blanket statements like the entire premise was stupid because you misunderstood the purpose or context of the battle.


I agree the movies have faults and when you bring up a proper fault I will back it up, mediclorians I take issue with, the acting was bad, the script had major holes, the CGI was pretty bad for the most part, I am all for that, bring it on. But saying the entire movie was bad because a staged battle at the end didn't conform to the tactics of a war hardened society is looking for something to bitch about. Even Britain was still using the same tactics in WWI and hey lets not forget Star Wars takes place in the past, in a distant alien galaxy how do we know their battle tactics would mirror our own?



Oh and I am perfectly calm, as the whole time, so there.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 07, 2014, 11:36:10 AM
Hey man, passive aggressively calling someone an idiot doesn't mean you didn't call them an idiot and not be mean about it. But I am not the type to report people.

The idea that any large organization doesn't have a group of enforcers or security experts to enforce basic things like taxation or to police civil unrest or piracy is absurd. Your telling me in thousands of worlds over countless number of sentient beings, over a thousand years there weren't ever any Hitler wannabes or warlords in their own fiefdoms that had more power than the Jedi could handle? **** me, even a Badminton club has members temporaliy take on a tax man role to enforce the fees needed to run the club.

The Jedi filled that role watch the movies again.

The peaceful planet of Naboo has a trained police force while lacking heavy ground weapons, had some pretty good starfighters and pilots trained to use them. These police forces knew how to do things like take cover, lay ambushes, VIP protection, assaults and other small unit tactics. The Queen has blasters in the throne ready to use and wasn't shy about it. These were people who knew what conflict is and how to fight. Repeat this over the entire Republic and you have a fighting force to call on. It would be pretty damn ram shackled, but it would have made sense for the Republic like the UN make a Call to Arms to fight when needed.

They addressed that in the movie, there was a blockade on the planet and the Jedi were sent there to force a settlement and the Jedi were ambushed.

That Clone War could have been awesome. Ships and fighters from hundreds of worlds fighting a desperate struggle against seemingly endless Stromtroopers with superior fire power using terror tactics like glassing planets. The Republic fighters would fight an organized open battle only on their terms. Each Species would bring different weapons, ideas and skills to the fight. The Republic would be defeated of course in time and become a puppet government, but not before striking a devastating blow that stops the clones in a phyric victory that forces them underground to form the Rebellion.

Again the later clone wars battles were nothing like the battle of Naboo which was a STAGED fight to draw the droid army away from the city it was a show of force and then they retreated that was the strategy it was not the strategy the war effort would take TEN YEARS later when the actual war began.



Or I could have just said that you telling me that the idea of people having literally forgotten how to fight despite being able to build and develop fleets of war machines is beyond absurd.

Again it was a staged battle. The Jedi were guardians of peace in the galaxy they were the law enforcement and they had super powers nobody was going to go against them it took a SITH offering protection from the Jedi to get the Trade Federation to rise up. The entire plot of Episode 2 was the formation of the Army to fight the Separatists The debate was over the use of force because they had no experience and there hadn't been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic. These events take place ten years after Menace which shows they had time to deal with the matter and learn it also shows once they took charge of the Clone Army they went  in guns blazing and took down the Battle Droids Geonosis. That battle was clearly fought by someone with knowledge and experience as it was programmed into the clones as stated in the movie (pr the novelization I forget at the moment)



Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 07, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
Your style of writing clearly showed you weren't calm compared to your normal style.

I wasn't talking about the battle of Naboo. I was using the planet Naboo being an example of a peaceful planet that has a collection of people capable of engaging in serious combat with the will to fight despite the lack of heavy equipment and weapons. Less peaceful or different worlds would have even better fighters like lets say the Mandolorians. That's just one planet full of people who could fight and what do you know! One was selected to be the basis of a clone army! What about Wookies? Where are the Bothians? Even Jawas have useful skills to bring to a war effort.

The ground Battle of Naboo was farce that killed many when anyone with two brain cells could have come up with better plan for either side.

The battle on Geonosis was a pointless meat grinder and you know it. At that point they had already achieved one of their primary objectives of rescuing the heroes. Everything after that to destroy the droid factory was a needless slaughter of meat when you have effective air superiority and capital ships with big guns to bring to bear to force a surrender. Yoda might not know how to fight a war, but I am sure the trained clones knew with their programming and specialist units. Why isn't Yoda distressed by the thousands of people including Jedi getting killed and maimed.

Every battle was a directionless clusterfuck of pointless slaughter. The battle over Corusant had ships duking it out at point blank range in a mess like a bunch of triremes. In ROTJ there was a very good reason for this. But why do that here?

The Jedi aren't all powerful and their actions in the movies present them as bunch of aloof, incompetent, blind and apathetic bunch that aren't deserving of a good reputation let alone implementers of policy. What about pirates? You need a navy for that. People like that aren't going to "Negotiate" a settlement. Jedi shows up they are either going to run away or shoot back. Jedi aren't really into the whole art of being starfighter pilots. Lets say that single Jedi somehow arrests them, what are you going to do with them now? Take them to Jedi court? Judgement on the spot Dreed style? Local prison?

Then multiply those pirates into gangs, the **** are Jedi going to do now? Crime lords turn warlords spreading out from the fringe worlds taking a planet here and there with the will and ability to go into at least a limited war. Jedi don't fight wars right, so what are they going to do? Assassinate the leader? ok, now you have a political vacuum with factions going at each other with billions of people involved. Are the Jedi going to keep killing people until they give up?

Even the great Empire with level of terror it was capable of couldn't fully suppress dissent and unrest without Star Destroyers and boots on the ground. You're telling me that a Jedi is as powerful and as threatening as cruiser full of troops or any Army.

Simply put the world that the prequels exists in was utter nonsense and comprised of terrible fan fiction. In every respect the prequels falls short of the OT.

Compare that with the battles in the OT. Every battle has a clear purpose, an ebb and flow as both sides jockey for position. Tactics change as the situation changes or as goals are met. The world made sense and was lived in. There was a great evil and adventure to be had. The saber battles were dangerous, serious affairs that were personal matters.

You like the prequels and if the lore is important to you fine. But don't argue how they are better movies. They are not. They are the Star Trek of Nemesis, Insurrection, Final Frontier. Terrible movies best forgotten. Lets not forget they ruined the hell out of Vadar.

As for the American police, given how heavily armed they are to the point of being paramilitary forces, they would put up a pretty good fight and they most certainly wouldn't fight like the idiots do in the prequels. You have all sorts of ex-soldiers, explosives and weapons experts in their ranks. The fat ones will either hide, surrender or die though so there's that and not everyone would be willing to fight.

Don't bring up the novels, or information in them. They are irrelevant.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 07, 2014, 04:56:25 PM
Your style of writing clearly showed you weren't calm compared to your normal style.

I wasn't talking about the battle of Naboo. I was using the planet Naboo being an example of a peaceful planet that has a collection of people capable of engaging in serious combat with the will to fight despite the lack of heavy equipment and weapons. Less peaceful or different worlds would have even better fighters like lets say the Mandolorians. That's just one planet full of people who could fight and what do you know! One was selected to be the basis of a clone army! What about Wookies? Where are the Bothians? Even Jawas have useful skills to bring to a war effort.

The ground Battle of Naboo was farce that killed many when anyone with two brain cells could have come up with better plan for either side.

The battle on Geonosis was a pointless meat grinder and you know it. At that point they had already achieved one of their primary objectives of rescuing the heroes. Everything after that to destroy the droid factory was a needless slaughter of meat when you have effective air superiority and capital ships with big guns to bring to bear to force a surrender. Yoda might not know how to fight a war, but I am sure the trained clones knew with their programming and specialist units. Why isn't Yoda distressed by the thousands of people including Jedi getting killed and maimed.

Every battle was a directionless clusterfuck of pointless slaughter. The battle over Corusant had ships duking it out at point blank range in a mess like a bunch of triremes. In ROTJ there was a very good reason for this. But why do that here?

The Jedi aren't all powerful and their actions in the movies present them as bunch of aloof, incompetent, blind and apathetic bunch that aren't deserving of a good reputation let alone implementers of policy. What about pirates? You need a navy for that. People like that aren't going to "Negotiate" a settlement. Jedi shows up they are either going to run away or shoot back. Jedi aren't really into the whole art of being starfighter pilots. Lets say that single Jedi somehow arrests them, what are you going to do with them now? Take them to Jedi court? Judgement on the spot Dreed style? Local prison?

Then multiply those pirates into gangs, the **** are Jedi going to do now? Crime lords turn warlords spreading out from the fringe worlds taking a planet here and there with the will and ability to go into at least a limited war. Jedi don't fight wars right, so what are they going to do? Assassinate the leader? ok, now you have a political vacuum with factions going at each other with billions of people involved. Are the Jedi going to keep killing people until they give up?

Even the great Empire with level of terror it was capable of couldn't fully suppress dissent and unrest without Star Destroyers and boots on the ground. You're telling me that a Jedi is as powerful and as threatening as cruiser full of troops or any Army.

Simply put the world that the prequels exists in was utter nonsense and comprised of terrible fan fiction. In every respect the prequels falls short of the OT.

Compare that with the battles in the OT. Every battle has a clear purpose, an ebb and flow as both sides jockey for position. Tactics change as the situation changes or as goals are met. The world made sense and was lived in. There was a great evil and adventure to be had. The saber battles were dangerous, serious affairs that were personal matters.

You like the prequels and if the lore is important to you fine. But don't argue how they are better movies. They are not. They are the Star Trek of Nemesis, Insurrection, Final Frontier. Terrible movies best forgotten. Lets not forget they ruined the hell out of Vadar.

As for the American police, given how heavily armed they are to the point of being paramilitary forces, they would put up a pretty good fight and they most certainly wouldn't fight like the idiots do in the prequels. You have all sorts of ex-soldiers, explosives and weapons experts in their ranks. The fat ones will either hide, surrender or die though so there's that and not everyone would be willing to fight.

Don't bring up the novels, or information in them. They are irrelevant.


Fair enough I was excited, as I get with Star Wars, not angry if I was angry you wouldn't been able to make any sense of what I said. All of your points I will concede on the grounds I misunderstood your original argument. Except the bold part, I NEVER said they were better films. I actually prefer the originals, except Phantom Menace is one of my favorites.

But would you nitpick the space battles of any other science fiction, say Avengers for example or Captain America? No people scrutinize Star Wars to a level no other fiction ever gets scrutinized. I like the prequels they are GOOD action movies they are GOOD science fiction, I never said they were GOOD films in general. Film is subjective anyways and the prequels have flaws, NO different than the flaws in the OT. Obi-Wan in the first movie said how the Old Republic was damn near utopian society he talked about life "before the dark times, before the Empire. Jedi were Guardians of Peace and Justice in the Galaxy. YES I think an ENTIRE army of super heroes can subvert a race of normal people without super powers. the Empire did not have an army of Jedi they had TWO Sitch and they Emperor lied to the people and told them the Jedi were evil and using their powers to control them so fear of the Jedi kept people willing to hunt down their blood line. That is well established in the films. I never mentioned the books except like one point that was also mentioned in the films but elaborated on in the book and I even said I wasn't sure where it was so you don't have to be so dismissive about it.

I am actually quite happy discussing this stuff, even arguing it I am more a Star Wars fan than video game fan so it is something I get passionate about, so don't mistake passion for anger and I will try not to insult you next time, which was uncalled for and I even reported myself to the mods so no reason to get out of hand, as I do try to be reasonable for the most part.

I disagree with your entire view on the prequels Obiwan may have romanticized the old Republic in some degree but he painted a picture that the Jedi kept order in the galaxy and that is what we saw. If the Jedi had just been monks in a temple and you saw Storm Troopers running around keeping the peace fans would have bitched about Obi-Wan being an even bigger liar than he is already accused of.

The prequels have flaws but I think your fabricating flaws to strengthen your views which is fine but you can't state them as pure fact when they are not. I also completely HATE attack of the clones, it is the most painful of the trilogy to watch so don't get the wrong idea that I am completely blind, thanks.

Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 11, 2014, 04:00:36 AM
None of the movies are Science Fiction, they are all Science Fantasy Adventure films. The prequel having failed being good movies fails them at being good in their genre. Science Fiction has a speculative element to it that asks "What if" especially in regards to technology and it's impact on humanity, something that doesn't apply to Star Wars. Action is far more subjective. If your bar for a good action movie is "Explosions" then I can't argue with that.

Obi-Wan might have described it as a utopia, but what kind of utopia contains people selling Death Sticks, Assassins, crime lords, smugglers, slavery via explosives etc. Clearly Obi-Wan lied, like he does on a lot of other things. He lies to protect Luke and to motivate him, mould him in a way he should have done with Anakin. While lying is a "Bad thing", it was the correct course of action. Had Obi-Wan told the truth, Luke would be either dead, turned or imprisoned. Obi-Wan lies is part of what gave him depth in the OT, this was a man who on the outside is a shining pillar of truth and Justice but was pragmatic, he understood the greys of morality. Just because he is a lair, it doesn't make him a bad person. Another things is that Obi-Wan could simply be unreliable as far as story telling is concerned.

You give Jedi far too much credit and far over estimate their effective power on the individual level and as a group. If they really were as powerful as an army, why didn't they fight those set piece battles by themselves? Why did they have to run away from the trade ship? Why so much trouble against Jago Fett? Simple, they are better, faster and a little bit more sturdier than the average human, but they are not what you would call a super hero. Even Superman can only do so may things at once. Don't tell me that every single Jedi is more powerful than Superman because they are as close to that as you and I are.

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If the Jedi had just been monks in a temple and you saw Storm Troopers running around keeping the peace fans would have bitched about Obi-Wan being an even bigger liar than he is already accused of.
You misread and are mixing two different posts addressing two different ideas. One was an improved story arc that was written as an example of something better than what GL had come up with that took me no more than 5 minutes of thinking. The trade federation is made of clones and the Republic is everyone else banding together to fight.

The other is part of the argument that government needs institutions to function. the Jedi aren't subservient to the government and the government aren't influenced by them. The Jedi are not much more than a group of vigilantes.

You tried to describe parts of the Prequels as "C-span in space". If this had any truth to it, why didn't they talk about the institutions that make up the Republic like the Tax Office or Department of trade and tariffs or law review court, anti-corruption agency, the Central Bank, Ministry of Justice, DMV? These are the tools of government and when something is decided upon it is up to these institutions to implement them. The "Government" represented in the prequels had none of this. It didn't have even something as basic as a diplomatic protection service as you see everyone were forced to bring their own security or hope they have a Jedi with them. The Republic shown had no power, the leader is no more than a mediator, has no proper processes to do anything and even the word of a Jedi has no power. It wasn't a government, at best it was a forum where fundamentally benign fussed over.

What of the rules of the government? One was a vote of no confidence for a leader change, which is simple enough. Another was a call for an investigation. But who was going to go investigate? Didn't we already investigate and have a report already? Does a Jedi word mean nothing? Who makes executive decisions? Write laws? Runs commissions? Where is the human drama? Go watch the West Wing or the House of Card as examples of good political drama to see why the prequels failed so absolutely in this regard.

The Empire in had these at least in an implied sense in the form of the stromtroopers, the dissolved senate, the space navy, planetary governors with direct control via stromtroopers.

It all boils down to a simple fact. The prequels are terrible movies as they are ill thought out, badly shot, boring, tensionless, horrific writing, poorly acted, even more poorly directed that made real peoples lives worse off. The prequels being terrible movies is a far easier explanation for all the wild inconsistencies than to try to cover them up after the fact.

If you like them, fine, we can move on and stop this nonsense, but they aren't good movies by any measure other than "Has Explosions".

*Don't mention the books because none of that information is "Canon".
**You're constantly having trouble keeping different bits of information bleeding into each other resulting in unreadable messes.
***Order 66 is what killed the Jedi and Vadar went after the stragglers.
**** The Emperor had taken control of the Republic via silent Military coup assisted by apathy and kept the Senate as a form of control.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 11, 2014, 11:00:25 AM
None of the movies are Science Fiction, they are all Science Fantasy Adventure films. The prequel having failed being good movies fails them at being good in their genre. Science Fiction has a speculative element to it that asks "What if" especially in regards to technology and it's impact on humanity, something that doesn't apply to Star Wars. Action is far more subjective. If your bar for a good action movie is "Explosions" then I can't argue with that.

Says YOU, the entire world calls them science ficiton, Fox even does so, as does Lucas himself You can muddle the definition all you want they are still science fiction at their core even if they don't fit your really odd and ultra strict definition.

Obi-Wan might have described it as a utopia, but what kind of utopia contains people selling Death Sticks, Assassins, crime lords, smugglers, slavery via explosives etc. Clearly Obi-Wan lied, like he does on a lot of other things. He lies to protect Luke and to motivate him, mould him in a way he should have done with Anakin. While lying is a "Bad thing", it was the correct course of action. Had Obi-Wan told the truth, Luke would be either dead, turned or imprisoned. Obi-Wan lies is part of what gave him depth in the OT, this was a man who on the outside is a shining pillar of truth and Justice but was pragmatic, he understood the greys of morality. Just because he is a lair, it doesn't make him a bad person. Another things is that Obi-Wan could simply be unreliable as far as story telling is concerned.

I disgree, there was crime nobody said that but if you see the way Obi Wan handle the deathsticks that is what i am talking about, people will break the law but when they see a Jedi they lose control. I think your not giving the Jedi ENOUGH credit. I even state there were police it is said so in the movies elsewhere or hinted at anyways.

You give Jedi far too much credit and far over estimate their effective power on the individual level and as a group. If they really were as powerful as an army, why didn't they fight those set piece battles by themselves? Why did they have to run away from the trade ship? Why so much trouble against Jago Fett? Simple, they are better, faster and a little bit more sturdier than the average human, but they are not what you would call a super hero. Even Superman can only do so may things at once. Don't tell me that every single Jedi is more powerful than Superman because they are as close to that as you and I are.

Nobody is talking about them being able to stop ALL crime, but they did a good job keeping the PEACE which you said they couldn't succeed at now your changing the argument and accusing me of doing that get your facts straight and get off you high horse. I have studied political science I understand the institution argument and I also understand that this is a FANTASY world completely different from OURS, you are unable to separate HUMAN elements from a non HUMAN society. You are taking EARTH politics and imposing them onto a universe who did not have the same history we did and therefor is not subject to the laws of HUMAN NATURE. If you can not accept that fine but it limits your ability to enjoy the films, which clearly is the case. As such since you can not do that obviously you will hate them.

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If the Jedi had just been monks in a temple and you saw Storm Troopers running around keeping the peace fans would have bitched about Obi-Wan being an even bigger liar than he is already accused of.
You misread and are mixing two different posts addressing two different ideas. One was an improved story arc that was written as an example of something better than what GL had come up with that took me no more than 5 minutes of thinking. The trade federation is made of clones and the Republic is everyone else banding together to fight.

FALSE, nowhere is it said the Trade Federation is made of clones, the clone army belonged to the Republic the clones were the "good guys" the Trade Federation controlled the Droid army, did you even watch the damn movies or are you getting all your information off the web or someplace else?

The other is part of the argument that government needs institutions to function. the Jedi aren't subservient to the government and the government aren't influenced by them. The Jedi are not much more than a group of vigilantes.

WRONG, the films again clearly show the Sith using his mind powers to control the Senate and to hide his actions from the Jedi, if a SINGLE SITH is so powerful he can pull it off how can you NOT expect an entire army of who knows how many Jedi to do the same? A single Superman could not but an ARMY of Superman could very well pull it off.

You tried to describe parts of the Prequels as "C-span in space". If this had any truth to it, why didn't they talk about the institutions that make up the Republic like the Tax Office or Department of trade and tariffs or law review court, anti-corruption agency, the Central Bank, Ministry of Justice, DMV? These are the tools of government and when something is decided upon it is up to these institutions to implement them. The "Government" represented in the prequels had none of this. It didn't have even something as basic as a diplomatic protection service as you see everyone were forced to bring their own security or hope they have a Jedi with them. The Republic shown had no power, the leader is no more than a mediator, has no proper processes to do anything and even the word of a Jedi has no power. It wasn't a government, at best it was a forum where fundamentally benign fussed over.

WRONG again, I never said that someone else did as a complaint so your confusing me with someone else now stick to the topic stop straying off or else you look bad. Now these views I can agree with so again you CONFUSED my argument I was addressing ONLY the battle of Naboo read my post again damn it. You talked about the Battle of Geonisis being a meat grinder or whatever term you used, I disagree watch the fucking movie again, it is shown they space battle is taking place out of view of the audience they are shooting down the federation ships. The ground troops were only trying to STOP the war Obi wan said it right there if we catch Dooku we end this war right now, their strategy WAS flawed they thought if they threw their entire army at one man they could stop him, that Supports my claim they had no prior military training DUH we addressed that. YOU make it sound like they should have the strategic commend of a battle hardened general when they did not have that they had the command of a bunch of religious fanatics who had no clue what they were doing. EVEN if you take the Clone programming into equation they were progerammed to flow orders not give orders so even if the clone KNEW Yoda was being a fool it was AGAINST their programming to defy his orders so again the inexperienced Jedi were fighting a war they had no business being in hence why there was a DEBATE against creating the army in the first place. The Army was created WITHOUT the approval of the senate and their knowledge so HOW could the Senate have a say in their programming? Palpatine was manipulating the entire thing he was controlling BOTH armies clearly it was in HIS interest to start the war therefore he was and DID manipulate things because he was in control also even the Jedi had to follow HIS orders they gave him that power in the VOTE in the middle of the movie if you actually watched it you would know this but I think you only watched it maybe once when it was new, felt you hated it read a review on why someone else hated it and agreed with him without actually questioning that review. Prove my wrong by actually getting your facts from the movie straight. Again I AM NOT saying these are GREAT movies I am just disagreeing with your assessment of the battles.


What of the rules of the government? One was a vote of no confidence for a leader change, which is simple enough. Another was a call for an investigation. But who was going to go investigate? Didn't we already investigate and have a report already? Does a Jedi word mean nothing? Who makes executive decisions? Write laws? Runs commissions? Where is the human drama? Go watch the West Wing or the House of Card as examples of good political drama to see why the prequels failed so absolutely in this regard.

NO, I studied political science HUMAN EARTH politics do not apply to this space fantasy world. If you can not separate the two of course you will have issues with them but a reasonable person who can think logically ought to be able to deduce that A Long TIME AGO IN A GALAXY FAR, FAR AWAY is not the same as the fucking West Wing. I am not here to write an essay on the politics of the films I don't care enough about them or you to do that, I enjoy them for what they are I don't HATE THEM for what they are not. Clearly we differ there. That is the core if it which will not change.


The Empire in had these at least in an implied sense in the form of the stromtroopers, the dissolved senate, the space navy, planetary governors with direct control via stromtroopers.

It all boils down to a simple fact. The prequels are terrible movies as they are ill thought out, badly shot, boring, tensionless, horrific writing, poorly acted, even more poorly directed that made real peoples lives worse off. The prequels being terrible movies is a far easier explanation for all the wild inconsistencies than to try to cover them up after the fact.

If you like them, fine, we can move on and stop this nonsense, but they aren't good movies by any measure other than "Has Explosions".

Says you, you define them as terrible because YOU can not separate the world of fiction so that means YOU can not appreciate  them it does not mean they are not good movies by any measure, they are GOOD movies by the sense they do what ALL Star Wars movies before and after do, they create an epic world of fantasy that viewers can escape into, assuming those viewers do not over think what is going on. I asked if you scrutinize Avengers or other science fiction films of this nature and your response was saying these aren't science fiction TO YOU. So I guess you just have it in your head you are right period and refuse to accept you could be wrong? Good one. I said they are not great films I never said they were but they are not as bad as YOU claim nor are they terrible films either.

*Don't mention the books because none of that information is "Canon".

I didn't mention the books **** can you even read? I mentioned the NOVELIZATION which is canon it has always been assumed so, and if you read my post I called that into QUESTION ALREADY so stop right there sir and READ my actual posts.


**You're constantly having trouble keeping different bits of information bleeding into each other resulting in unreadable messes.

Wrong, you are stuck on a lopsided view and refuse to accept any view contrary to yours. I said my peace and I can't convince you other wise.

***Order 66 is what killed the Jedi and Vadar went after the stragglers.

SO? When did I disagree with this? What is the point in even making a statement that has nothing to do with anything I said? Who are you arguing with now? Are you just arguing in general?

**** The Emperor had taken control of the Republic via silent Military coup assisted by apathy and kept the Senate as a form of control.

He Disolved the senate when it no longer was of use to him, if he NEEDED them why would he disolve them. OR let me spin it this way, if he NEEDed the Senate and LUCAS said he disolved it doesn't that make A New Hope a terrible movie because it punches holes in logic? Make up your mind, OR watch the god damn movies!



You are arguing with two different people, I never said C-SPan in space that was someone else complaining about the prequels that wasn't me. Even still I lost interest because I realized we were arguing over something different and I don't care anymore. You can hate them all you want I don't end of story.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 11, 2014, 12:18:28 PM
soo... anyone picking up New Dawn next month?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on August 11, 2014, 06:14:20 PM
What did you do to the Star Wars thread?!? I sure as hell am not reading all of that text and I LOVE Star Wars history and minutia. :P


soo... anyone picking up New Dawn next month?


I will wait for it to appear at the library (better go reserve it now, probably already got a long wait list).
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on August 11, 2014, 11:42:01 PM
This thread went from zero to tl;dr in a hurry.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 12, 2014, 10:44:11 AM
This thread went from zero to tl;dr in a hurry.
Yep.

So, err, any body watched the de-specialized Editions aka the Original cut?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2014, 11:02:06 AM
So, err, any body watched the de-specialized Editions aka the Original cut?


Woah, those exist? Where can you buy them?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on August 12, 2014, 11:12:21 AM
Err, you don't "Buy" these. They are reconstructions made by a very hardcore fan and are made to an extremely high quality from multiple sources. All the original quirks are in them. No shock rings, partially transparent snow speeders, original light saber effects, Han shoots first and last.

I can PM where to get them if you can't find them by yourself as I am sure the Mods would frown upon me.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 12, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Put Boba Fett in there, have him doing awesome stuff for a while, and then he takes off his helmet and it's Jar Jar.

Would have applauded, but the terrorists won and the system is gone. This thread is terrible due to the amount of words.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2014, 11:55:34 AM
Err, you don't "Buy" these. They are reconstructions made by a very hardcore fan and are made to an extremely high quality from multiple sources. All the original quirks are in them. No shock rings, partially transparent snow speeders, original light saber effects, Han shoots first and last.

I can PM where to get them if you can't find them by yourself as I am sure the Mods would frown upon me.


Ah. No need to send me a link, I'm sure I can find them on my own. Thanks.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on August 12, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
I still have an old VHS trilogy handed down from my father to me. The ones with the grey cases.


Can't find many good shots of it but this is one I found of New Hope. I'll have to get a clean shot of my set when I get home so I can have bragging rights ;)


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jWw7eU7KrU8/TrdPIfyYb8I/AAAAAAAAAp0/afJqbpSUnww/s1600/Star+Wars+VHS+cover+1982.jpg)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 12, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
I will forever refuse to call it "A New Hope." Really it bugs be to call them "Episode IV V and VI" too. I have the original trilogy on VHS (full screen, lame) and DVD (widescreen, yay)...never watched them. I think the DVD trilogy is still sealed actually, the VHS version is just the remaster (without all the CGI crap), but the DVD version is the CGI re-released in theaters version.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 12, 2014, 03:11:23 PM
I saw the original trilogy for the first time when they released the Special Editions in theaters, so the changes don't really bother me, and in a lot of cases it seems really silly to be upset at them. I've been meaning to buy the Blurays of them; I almost never get movies on Bluray, but these seem like they'd be worth it.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 12, 2014, 03:34:36 PM
It's just that the CGI is so terrible. They should have just gone and fixed the problems that you can still see, like bad reference lighting used in several green screen scenes, squares around some of the ships in space, but instead they added like giant animals, a horribly done musical number, and Greedo shooting first.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2014, 08:30:16 PM
Err, you don't "Buy" these. They are reconstructions made by a very hardcore fan and are made to an extremely high quality from multiple sources. All the original quirks are in them. No shock rings, partially transparent snow speeders, original light saber effects, Han shoots first and last.

I can PM where to get them if you can't find them by yourself as I am sure the Mods would frown upon me.


I wouldn't mind seeing such a link in my inbox, but I wouldn't ask for one for fear of mod retribution.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 13, 2014, 11:46:43 AM
if, and this is  a HUGE IF, all he did was clean them up and tweaked the little things like he set out to do, nobody would have complained. The fact that he actually inserted scenes, deleted stuff people had gotten used to, and even changed the entire musical number, those all upset people. IF he had just stopped there people would have said fine and dealt with it, but he didn't. the DVD Special Editions are NOT the same as the LaserDisc and Theatrical Special editions and he went and made FURTHER tweaks for the Blu Ray. Most of the changes are subtle and only hard core fans will notice, but the obvious ones like changing the Emperors dialog and face, inserting bad CGI Jabba then replacing him with WORSE CGI Jabba then going back to old bad CGI Jabba is jarring. It does take you out of the movies when you pop in a new version of the movie and all of a sudden the actors are not repeating their FAMOUS lines they are saying new lines.

It has always been this way even pre-special edition all home video releases of Star Wars are different in some minor ways, even theatrical releases are different.


A New Hope was added to the title BEFORE it was released to VHS/Beta/LD it was in the theatrical cuts just not the first run theatrical cut but the second printing re-issue so it stands as the official title. I can see now accepting the episode numbers but those were ALWAYS present in Empire and Jedi they were added to the original on re-release but still BEFORE home video.


In Empire on VHS and Beta Max the conversation between Vader and that technician about Hoth is different from the one on the LaserDisc/DVD/SE releases. The reason is the movies were mixed using a 6 channel sound at a time when MOST theaters still were using Mono or Stereo so there are mono mixes and stereo mixes out there each using different takes of dialog for unknown reasons. C3PO has entire lines removed from one version to the other. That has been a part of Star Wars since day one, which is why fans are so up in arms over every change because it's never ending there is no "standard" Star Wars even the theatrical cuts were different depending on which theater you saw it in and if you saw it very first limited release, the second wide release or the first re-release or the second re-release as he was still tinkering with them even when they were being released in theaters. So saying one cut is superior is a fallacy because it is damn near impossible to tell which cut takes precedence usually with the viewer holding true to whichever version *they* saw first as the true version.

This is why people were GLAD to see someone else take these films off his hands.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on August 14, 2014, 02:45:40 PM
Are you the Ian Sane of the Star Wars franchise?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 14, 2014, 02:55:39 PM
I think Star Wars one of the things Ian Sane is the Ian Sane of. I know Nintendo and The Simpsons are, pretty sure I remember this is too.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 14, 2014, 10:58:19 PM
The new helmet designs for Storm troopers in VII.
(https://indierevolver.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/wpid-st-helmet.jpg)
(https://indierevolver.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/wpid-jt-sun.jpg)


I like the first one, but i'm really not digging the second one.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 14, 2014, 11:08:22 PM
The new helmet designs for Storm troopers in VII.
https://indierevolver.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/wpid-st-helmet.jpg
https://indierevolver.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/wpid-jt-sun.jpg

I like the first one, but i'm really not digging the second one.

I agree. 1st one looks good. 2nd one... could use more design.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 14, 2014, 11:21:10 PM
Those definitely do not look legit and look like they are form one of the CGI cartoons.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on August 15, 2014, 03:04:48 AM
Second one looks like something for an ice world like the snow troopers. I wouldn't hate it if it it had a limited appearance but it would be disappointing if it was the new main design.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 15, 2014, 03:37:20 PM
The second one looks like it would be from the Star Wars VII knock off Star Battles.

It might actually look better if they turned it around so the back was the front.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on August 15, 2014, 04:11:06 PM
Anyone seen the released images of the newly designed X-Wing? I like that they are evolving the designs of the ships because it makes sense to reflect advances in technology with new designs. In the books the X-Wing went through a lot of upgrades up to the Jedi X-J7 in recent novels. I always wondered how these new versions of the X-Wing looked different, if at all, considering it was still referred to as an "X-Wing".
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 16, 2014, 08:25:39 AM
Some info on the new Villian from indie revolver the places that lrakrd the storm troopers. It sort of collboartes the Latino review rumors.


https://indierevolver.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/inquisitor.png
It’s true that the main villain of Episode VII is a Sith Inquisitor. He’s tall and thin and terrifyingly creepy, with glowing red eyes to match his red lightsaber. He’s got some robotic upgrades, like Vader – but no mask. The cybernetic bits weave in and out of him. He’s got a human upper lip, a steel jaw… and the robotic hand that JJ Abrams posted an image of. As LR mentioned, we’ll see flashbacks in this movie which will show us Princess Leia as a young girl and Vader’s involvement with the Sith during his prime. This inquisitor has a fascination Vader through the movie’s timeline as well though – just look how he stares at Vader’s shattered helmet in this image:
http://www.latino-review.com/news/exclusive-star-wars-episode-viis-villains-revealed



Sounds like rebels will be much more important and really will retfon alot of the OT, though I believe this ground was covered in the old EU.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2014, 10:21:13 PM
I guess those de-specialized editions will be worthless very soon.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/08/16/exclusive-original-unaltered-cut-of-star-wars-trilogy-to-be-rele/ (http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/08/16/exclusive-original-unaltered-cut-of-star-wars-trilogy-to-be-rele/)


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For a long time Star Wars fans have been clamoring for Disney/Lucasfilm to re-release the original, unaltered cut of the first Star Wars trilogy, and Comicbook.com has now confirmed with two independent reliable sources that just such a plan is under way.

According to our sources, Disney has plans to release the original cut of the Star Wars trilogy on Blu-ray. Our sources indicate that the project has been under way for quite some time, but it’s been challenging because of some damage to the original negatives they are utilizing. The goal is to release A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of Jedi in their complete, unaltered, original form without the redone special edition SFX.

Our sources did not have an exact date as to when the original cut of the Star Wars Trilogy would be released on Blu-ray, due to the challenges Disney has encountered in pulling everything together. However, our sources indicated the goal is to have it ready and released before Star Wars Episode VII is released in theaters.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 16, 2014, 11:03:15 PM
cant disney just tak the unedited vhs copies and put them on bluray?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2014, 11:05:25 PM
cant disney just tak the unedited vhs copies and put them on bluray?

Are you serious? It would just look like a shitty VHS video (which it would be). They need the originals or at least the 2K footage for it to actually look good. You can't just magically take VHS video and make it look nicer.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 16, 2014, 11:06:24 PM
VHS was good enough when i first saw star wars in 96.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 16, 2014, 11:07:51 PM
They should release some kind of Star Wars
"Make Your Own Cut" Blu-rays. You get to pick and choose which alterations stay and which don't. Like, say, all the effects updates from the special editions, but no Jabba in ANH and Han shoots first. A kind of custom, mix-and-match thing. Like those music video things on the Sega CD, but with updated tech and Star Wars.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2014, 11:09:36 PM
VHS was good enough when i first saw star wars in 96.

In 1996. On VHS. On a CRT TV. It doesn't matter if it was good then. This is Blu-Ray where the main point of Blu-Ray is having a fantastic picture and sound on an HDTV.

That's probably the worst train of thought I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 16, 2014, 11:15:06 PM
t'was joking.


cant even stand to watch sub hd video at this point.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2014, 11:26:47 PM
Ah, shoot. Something in the back of my mind said you were, based on what I know about you. But I still took the bait. :(
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 17, 2014, 10:14:46 AM
I applaud this, but I hope they at least use the remastered audio and touch up the video - no CGI, just fix the color balance in the green screen scenes and remove the boxes around some of the TIE figthers and X-Wings. Basically the original remastered version of the trilogy (only on VHS I believe) before the ruined versions were made.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 17, 2014, 11:26:30 PM
Edit, just realized what I said was addressed in the article.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 17, 2014, 11:37:40 PM
Disney gives Fox a ton of money to release the original trilogy on Blu-Ray, Disney gets Fantastic Four and X-Men from Fox. Sounds like win-win to me if this happened. Star Wars Universe and Marvel Cinematic Universe are both saved in one transaction. Life complete.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on August 17, 2014, 11:45:07 PM
Disney gives Fox a ton of money to release the original trilogy on Blu-Ray, Disney gets Fantastic Four and X-Men from Fox. Sounds like win-win to me if this happened. Star Wars Universe and Marvel Cinematic Universe are both saved in one transaction. Life complete.


oh I don't doubt Disney CAN do it, they have the power to make **** happen like nobody else. But my question was is it really that worth it considering how low the previous releases have sold, I still think it is just a vocal minority asking for them whereas the general public not only doesn't care but most don't even notice the changes until someone points them out. My parents got me into Star Wars and even they couldn't recall what was new and what was old half the time. And with each successive release more things get tweaked and the general public hardly notices.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 18, 2014, 09:56:47 AM
Filming starts back up next month, though i'm surprised they didn't just film the parts that don't have Han. I'm guessing this movie was as Han centric as the rumors have said.


Here's two pieces of concept art by the same source that leaked the stormtrooper and Villian rumor.
(https://indierevolver.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/han-coat.jpg)
(https://indierevolver.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/han-trench.jpg)


Seems like Han's style hasn't changed that much though the top Winter looking gear seems much more formal military and will probably indicate a return to hoth or a similar ice planet,


Plus a peek inside the VII Falcon.
http://indierevolver.com/2014/08/14/more-pics-from-inside-episode-viis-millenium-falcon/



Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on August 18, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
Another rumor this time coming from making star wars


Lukes Disappearance – The idea that Luke disappeared immediately after Endor isn’t entirely true. He had a good 10 to 20 years after Return Of The Jedi ended. When the movie starts he’s been missing for around 10 years.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 18, 2014, 03:07:20 PM
Hello My friend, I've missed you so. Glad Star Wars is back.




(although I predicted this trilogy, down to the director...ok I said Joss but still close back on this forum many moons ago.)


Also, Page 10 of this thread is a site to behold.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: pokepal148 on August 18, 2014, 04:03:13 PM
... mods delete this post please...
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: pokepal148 on August 18, 2014, 04:07:36 PM
**** it, stupid YouTube tags wtf is your deal
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on August 18, 2014, 05:26:16 PM
Another rumor this time coming from making star wars


  • George Lucas – George’s vision for the Sequel Trilogy was to take it right back to the beginning. Meaning, the beginning of the Jedi and Sith, how that came to be and how ancients forces were still influencing things. Luke was going to go on an adventure that would take him back to the origin of evil in the Galaxy. Some of these ideas have very much influenced the story.
  • This seems alot more reasonable and pausable, intrestingly enough that last bit was something that was forshadowed twice in the Clone Wars and the beginning could stand for two things.


It was alluded to in the novels as well. The "rule of two Sith" was only for one branch of the Sith. There was another group of Sith sitting in the shadows, biding their time and manipulating events on a very galactic scale.


I don't feel like spoilering stuff from the Legacy EU anymore since it is not canon so beware of spoilers below!


Jason Solo, as Darth Caedeus, approaches a group of shadow Sith on Corriban to ask for assistance. They decline saying their time was not yet ready. This group turned out to be linked to a group of Sith who toppled the Galactic Republic in the last comic series called Legacy which I referred to before (took place 127 years after Return of the Jedi). I don't know how involved Lucas was in EU material but this shadow group of Sith could be part of what Lucas was moving towards. Maybe not to topple the Alliance, but surely to lead to some mayhem.


Even more relevant to what you stated above, there was the dark "Force Being" who possessed Calista (Lukes ex-girlfriend who lost her force powers and disappeared to find them...long story, look it up if you are curious). Luke and his son Ben hunted after this being when Luke was banished from the Republic for being blamed for Jason Solo's fall to the dark side. Jedi knights were being possessed and believing everyone was an enemy and going mad. Luke determines this force being was to blame and hunts her down.


Also yet again, in the same story as above, there is the lost tribe of the Sith who were stranded on a world for centuries until they rediscovered space flight with some help and slowly developed a secret armada to try and take back the galaxy.


So there could be any number of links to what we will see as the "ultimate evil" developed in the new series. I don't want it to get to spiritual because they tried that a few times in the books and I prefered it being Sith and Jedi with a few other sides and views. Origin of Evil is a bit much for a lighthearted space opera adventure.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on September 20, 2014, 12:20:18 AM
I just bought New Dawn ans should read through it over the next three days.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on September 21, 2014, 01:30:54 PM
I'll have to wait for then my turn comes up at the local library...so three months at the current rate.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on September 29, 2014, 11:39:41 AM
Starwars.com just posted the last story reel of the clone wars last week, featuring full voice acting. It seems the rest of the unused one wars scripts will eventually be used else where.

The Darth maul story was continued in the son of the dathomir comic that also finished on a cliff hanger.

The Ventress Plot points will be concluded in next years novel Dark Disciple.

Really unsure if were going to see anymore clone wars based stuff after that since all the other projects are tackling the OT era.

The first two episodes of rebels is on disney XD to watch. Its a better starting point than the clone wars had.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on September 30, 2014, 10:16:00 PM
Thought I might do a re update on all the current Star Wars projects in development.

Film
Star Wars Episode VII
Untitled Standalone film directed by Gareth Edwards
Untitled Standalone film directed by Josh Trank

Television
Star Wars Rebels (starts Friday)

Literature
Darth Maul: Son of Dathomauir (done but trade s out on the 11th)
Star Wars: A New Dawn (released)
Star WarsL Tarkin(November)
Star Wars: Heir to the Jedi (early 2015)
Star Wars: Lords of the Sith (early 1015)
Star Wars: Dark Disciple (mid 2015)
Star Wars #1 (January 2015) (ongoing)
Star Wars: Darth Vadar #1 (February 2015) (ongoing)
Star Wars: Princess Leia #1(March 2015) (five issue mini)

Games
Star Wars Battlefront
Untitled 3rd person star wars game by Visceral studios


The Premiere for rebels is reviewing very well it seems, I watched it already and it really brings the vibes of the OT. It balances the line that Gotham failed with visual nods and call backs to previous parts of the star wars universe.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on October 01, 2014, 07:48:25 PM
Some spoilery rumors on the Cast of episoide VII.

MakingStarWars:

 Max von Sydow character is Star Wars: Episode VII is not an ancient Sith Lord or a supernatural being with an awesome voice. He’s a beaten man. He’s old enough to have lived through the Clone Wars, seen the Intergalactic Civil War unfold and then the aftermath of the fall of Emperor Palptaine. He’s no longer a man, he’s a cyborg. His eye is obscured by a ocular viewing device, most likely from a past injury which mean the could no longer use the eye with any ease. One leg is entirely cybernetic now, almost like a Super Battledroid but with metallic claws where his toes would be. He sits at a bar drinking, wary, and old. If you have an oddity, a rare weapon, you might want to bring it to him for evaluation.

 Badass Digest:

 According to my sources von Sydow is playing a key character who gets the story in motion.
 Remember that I told you the movie begins with the discovery of the lightsaber? Well, it isn’t Daisy Ridley who discovers it but rather a blue alien guy. He brings it to a salvage yard where Kira – that seems to be what Ridley’s character’s name is, or at least what they’re calling her on set – sees it. She’s hanging out there with von Sydow, who is an old cyborg dude, a guy who maybe has dementia. He talks a lot of nonsense. But as soon as that lightsbaber shows up, he gets lucid. He recognizes it. He begins to talk about the old days, name drops a couple of Prequel Trilogy characters, even. And then, after Kira and the alien leave he makes a call to a mysterious figure. “It’s here,” he says.

 Kira’s got a pretty cool place to call home. She lives inside an abandoned AT-AT, knocked over on its side. Remember, AT-ATs are ‘all-terrain,’ so while we saw them only on a snow world, they would work just as easily on the desert planet where Episode VII opens.

 You know all those shots from Greenham Common Air Base, with the X-Wing fighters and the Millenium Falcon? That’s a familiar location – it’s the Massassi Temple from the original Star Wars. Yup, they’re back on Yavin IV.

 Here’s one bonus piece of info: there are pieces of concept art that show Chewbacca with a cybernetic hand, having lost it in a battle sometime after the events of Jedi. Will that be in the final film? I don’t know – there’s other concept art where he’s got both furry hands intact.


A TV spot for Rebels.

I forgot that there's 100 years between episode I and VII.


Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on October 01, 2014, 10:53:33 PM
Star Trek fans are called Trekkies/Trekkers
Doctor Who fans are called Whoovians.
Whedon fans are called Whedonites
so what do you call a Star Wars fan?

Answer: People.

We are just about less than a year away, Netflix just announced they are going to be getting movies day and date with theatrical releases next year so I am getting excited for this movie. I will be doing my part to build the hype.

I was excited for Rebels until I learned it was just another damn cartoon. Oh well guess there are people who like those but not for me. I might check it out but I doubt it I really tried to like Clone Wars but it wasn't happening.

I will now go back to what I was doing and return the forums back to your squabbling over whatever it is people are bitching about these days. Cheer up guys there is a new Star Wars movie coming out that is more than enough to get excited about.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on October 02, 2014, 11:15:28 AM
You really missed out, the first two seasons are a tad bit shaky but afterwards the show gets really good and becomes more ensemble instead of the adventures of Skywalker and friends.

Rebels is looking promising based on the first episode and some of the spoilers I read about for one of the bigger episodes this season. I wonder how they plan to get around the fact two founders of the rebellion are Jedi but are absent once the event of ANH gets started.

But don't worry a live action TV series is probably on the horizon after VII comes out.


Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 02, 2014, 02:59:08 PM
We are just about less than a year away, Netflix just announced they are going to be getting movies day and date with theatrical releases next year so I am getting excited for this movie. I will be doing my part to build the hype.

Uh WHAT!!?
where did you hear this?
I heard they were going to do this with the Hidden Tiger, Flying Dragon sequel, but with Star Wars!?
I want to see that from a credible source.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on October 02, 2014, 03:41:48 PM
The deal was for all Disney, Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilms to make it to Netflix starting next year probably six months after its Blu-ray release.

Star Wars rebels just got renewed for a second season and Greg Wiseman is leaving the series.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 06, 2014, 07:06:44 PM
EP VII officially named
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1xf4O0IUAAea_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on November 06, 2014, 08:27:59 PM
It sounds good, I'm glad they didn't got with "An Ancient Fear" which was rumored to one of the pending titles for the series. From most of the rumors and spoilers the title is as appropriate as the fear one, but has the added throw back of being similar to a new hope. Alot of people tend not to like the title but it could be attack of the clones bad.




The rumor is we should be getting the first teaser next month, with the full first trailer tied to the super bowl.


Forgot to update the thread but at NYCC Lucasfilm announced a fourth ongoing comic book series entitled Star Wars: kanan which takes place directly after he leaves the Jedi temple and focuses on his life before meeting Hera in a new dawn.


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TJA8VWKsR60/VDn4C184YuI/AAAAAAAAeD8/WfG_8ohgaaI/w410-h615-no/14%2B-%2B1)


Its a smart move to capitalize on the somewhat success of Rebels, and Allie the fans thoughts that we were going to get nothing but OT set stories until Force Awakens is out.


I really want to know about Battlefront and the first spin-off film, My guess were going to see the first footage of Battlefront next month at whatever Spike TV is doing, but from a Campaign perceptive wonder whats up.







Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: shingi_70 on November 17, 2014, 03:47:04 PM
AJ Edwards is apparently in talks with Lucasfilm about doing a spin-off film about Mace Windu.
(http://i0.wp.com/makingstarwars.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/AJ-Edwards-Mace-Windu.png)

http://makingstarwars.net/2014/11/terrence-malick-mace-windu-star-wars-spin-film/


We know that the currently in development spin-off movies are probably focused on Kenobi and Boba Fett and will probably take place during the Purge or in the case of fett after Return. So seeing a film that can only take place during the clone wars or earlier is interesting.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on January 01, 2015, 08:21:18 PM
Always two threads, there are: a master (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=7756.0), and an apprentice (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=39774.0).
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 01, 2015, 10:07:18 PM
Always two threads, there are: a master (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=7756.0), and an apprentice (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=39774.0).


But which should we choose?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Khushrenada on January 01, 2015, 11:59:23 PM
The one that I create, of course.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 05, 2015, 05:50:01 PM
Did Star Wars: The Force Awakens The Raid 3 just happen
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-raid-star-wars-force-awakens/
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 06, 2015, 11:16:23 AM

I see JJ. Abrams trying to out due Ray Park.



I want them to be this Bad Ass Sith trio that only uses 1 lightsaber between the 3 of them. 3 force users powering 1 saber passing it between each other while the other 2 fight....
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on January 06, 2015, 12:00:57 PM
Without the bone crunching it's going to turn into a prequel dance fight if they try to use their skill set without the physical contact. If they have them use lightsabres it would waste their talents and you know they are going to use lightsabres.

You can tell I have no hope for this movie.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Stratos on January 06, 2015, 08:03:31 PM
I have hope it will be better than the prequels.
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: nickmitch on January 06, 2015, 09:51:16 PM
I've got hope for this movie too.

. . .a NEW hope?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 06, 2015, 10:38:25 PM
It'll be good, JJ was born to make this movie. Watch his TED presentation on youtube about mystery and movies and you'll be assured of a solid film. Other than maybe Joss, its not another director I would want on this project. Even his bad films are aren't that bad.




And I thought ROTS was a good film, at least as good as Jedi.... (maybe slightly better)
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: ShyGuy on January 06, 2015, 10:54:21 PM
I'm think I should change this Thread title, as it has grown beyond me. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 07, 2015, 05:34:17 AM
"This is the good Star Wars thread, that other one sucks!"
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: oohhboy on January 07, 2015, 05:39:27 AM
Star Wars, sucking since 19:5:1999
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: Khushrenada on January 07, 2015, 10:07:05 AM
"Sadly, not another thread about Khushrenada"
Title: Re: Disney buying Lucasfilm, Star Wars 7 in 2015
Post by: King of Twitch on January 07, 2015, 06:32:54 PM
Khushrenada, sucking since 5:19:1999

"Sadly, not another thread about Khushrenada"

Fixed.
Title: Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
Post by: King of Twitch on January 09, 2015, 01:26:03 AM
I want the next Star Wars to have light saber battles!! Like, the force awakens the light sabers and they start battling each other wwzzzshhhmm! bzzt! wwzzzshhhmm! bzzt! wwzzzshhhmm! bzzt! for the last 45 minutes of the movie. That's all the ideas I have for right now.
Title: Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
Post by: Ceric on January 09, 2015, 11:54:06 AM
I want the next Star Wars to have light saber battles!! Like, the force awakens the light sabers and they start battling each other wwzzzshhhmm! bzzt! wwzzzshhhmm! bzzt! wwzzzshhhmm! bzzt! for the last 45 minutes of the movie. That's all the ideas I have for right now.
You know what let's take Star Wars to 11.  No more Biological.  We all know the Droids had the most personality in the Universe anyway.  Movie about Droids, Spaceships, and Light Sabers that are themselves Jedi and able to fight each other and collect limbs from Droids and Spaceships.  We will call it Star Wars-E
Title: Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
Post by: King of Twitch on January 09, 2015, 01:38:35 PM
ahaha. all the droids are still cleaning up Alderran sector 30 years later.
Title: Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
Post by: shingi_70 on January 09, 2015, 03:55:28 PM
Jedi Ewoks is something needed.

Star Wars #1 from Marvel is out next week.
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/57-8-600x878.jpg)
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/57-31-600x450.jpg)
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/57-5-600x450.jpg)
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/57-6.jpg)

The cover to Star Wars Dark Disciple.
(http://www.starwars7news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/star-wars-dark-disciple-cover-book-673x1024.jpg)

It takes place a bit after Ventress ending clone wars arc and is about her and Voss.

Last month we got a few of the character names for Force Awakens.

Dasiy Ridley is Rey
John Boyega is Fin
Oscar Issac is Poe Dameron
and the lightsaber dude is Kylo Ren

no last name for out heroes sort of go along with them being related to charcters from the past. Rey is probably Solo and Fin is either Lando's son or Kenobi's grandson.
Title: Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 09, 2015, 05:14:43 PM
Rey Skywalker (still Han's kid but took her mothers name since she hates her dad)


Fin (where's jake?) Calrissian


That's all for now!
Title: Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 10, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
Since this is now less than a year away and they are pretty much ignoring the EU altogether I would like to actually get serious with some predictions and hopes for this movie.

I used to subscribe to Star Wars Insider religiously before the prequels and I signed up for the news latter and posted quite often in the forums, in fact that was my first online community following the demise of usenet.

I am older now and a lot has changed but I am really trying to muster some hype for this new trilogy. I enjoyed Phantom Menace, sure the kid annoyed me and Jar Jar, I hated him too, but the movie wasn't that bad.


What would I like to see, what would I dread seeing and what would make this movie perfect beyond words?

Aside from as many of the original cast as they can reasonably get, I want only minimal familiar locations, Corrucant, Tatooine, and maybe Endor but that would be it from the previous films I want all new locations. I would love to revisit Hoth it was my absolute favorite location in the original films next to Tatooine which I still enjoy and don't get all the hate, its a staple it has to be in this first film, they need to anchor it in as much nostalgia as they can muster without over doing it.

Story, plot I don't care I expect it to be convoluted and will take three films to unfold so as long as the characters are likeable and the setting at least fits in with what came before I will be fine. I understand there will be a rise in Jedi/Sith conflict and a new remnant of the Empire this is somewhat exciting as a tech geek the Empire had some of the coolest stuff around. I loved their military might in Empire man that was awesome seeing those previously menacing Star Destroyers dwarfed to mere shuttles compared to the Executor. I want more stuff like that.

Lots of big explosions, light saber battles and laser fights, make it look like this could be mistaken for a Michael Bay film and I will be happy. Also get him to do Part 8 or 9 or at least one of the spin offs.

I wanna see little Leia in mommies gold bikini even if it is for a joke scene maybe she is a teen rebelling against the fashions or whatever but bring it back its what we all want no sense denying it.


I want to see more of the Hutts, especially as space-pirates I want to see the main villain having ties to Jabba and seeking some vendetta, if this doesn't happen it is wasted opportunity. Also bring back Bobba Fett come one make it happen.

Also have Greedo show up as an old "man" and confront Han over a drink how they fooled everyone into thinking he really killed his pal and then go back and re-edit A New Hope one last time to change the black smoke to yellow or something that gives it away as a hoax. YES I am dead serious make that happen.

I want to see as much of the good old Falcon as they can get into this film but I DO want to see it put to rest for good, in a blaze of glory with Chewy at the controls sacrificing his life for Han or Han's family in a real heroes glory not that lame ass **** they pulled in the books that almost turned me into a hater.

I want this film on par with Phantom Menace in tone, light hearted with some looming dread a touch of comedy but not too much, and maybe a nod to Jar Jar just as a fan service to those who actually love the prequels but no speaking lines.

I want to see new monsters, new aliens, new ships and new droids we haven't seen before. The more new stuff the better but also make it look entirely different than what we are used to, make it look like progress not backwards like the prequels that were more advanced than the ones set in the future.

I want to have an intimate moment where Han confesses his love to his wife right before they both die in tragic moment saving one of their kids or whoever the hero of destiny turns out to be.

Yes there will be a hero of destiny so expect that device to be hammered home it wouldn't be Star Wars without it.

I want something shocking, not PG-13 shocking but something that really pushes the edge of PG, unless this entire trilogy shoots for a pure PG-13 vibe through and through then make it as shocking as PG-13 can be but I want as much blood as you can get away with in at least one scene, something more gory than a bloody arm in A New Hope but not so bloody it gets an R Rating.

I want to see the new villain survive to the end, none of that kill him off and get a new bad guy EACH film that was lame. Even the originals did it they killed Tarkin and Vader took over, sure Vader didn't die but he took a backseat to Palpatine that was kind of lame but not as lame as "this is the most scariest guy in the universe, oops a kid in training killed him sorry *this* is the really real most scary guy, oops died  like a chump, sorry no wait *this* lamo is the really for reals bad guy" that was bullshit.

I want to see an empire in shambles but being rebuilt from the outside by some fringe force. I want to see a threat on the level of Thrawn but NOT Thrawn. If they are going to do him give him his own film either a spin off or something that comes elsewhere in the timeline. No nevermind forget about him leave him out of it entirely unless this is a true adaptation of his trilogy which won't happen so no Thrawn.

BUT use those creepy Vader worshipers that become the Princesses elite body guards that would be okay.

NO Mara Jade none at all pretend she never existed I hate her more than I hate yes Jar Jar, I can't stand her she ruined the books for me it was real hard to fit her into my version of Star Wars.

No more doomsday machines the Death Star was fine, the first time, the second time it was oh great another one. Nothing like that. Maybe something mystical that gives this new Sith threat more power than the Jedi are prepared for at first. Until the hero of destiny finds his calling and over comes it with whatever deus ex machina they come up with.


Get John Williams to core THIS film only and train his successor lets not take chances the dude is getting old he might not make it to part 9. And do this soon so we don't end up with Danny Elfman.

Get Seth Green to cameo in this somebitch please for all things holy and sacred to geeks.


Reveal a new mystery about the Force that sort of helps explain some of the plot holes and inconsistencies in previous films. Something that makes the Force entirely different than previously expected. Hey the precedent has been set, first it was a mystical energy force, then it was micro bacteria, something needs to come along that makes it bigger and even more amazing than before, there was a Crystal or something in one of the books, something along those lines make it bigger than we previously thought but different too, blow our minds and shatter our childhood dreams.

what else, let me see do something new with R2-D2, give him a voice box that would be unexpected but welcomed. OR better yet a love interest, maybe a pink house droid or dishwasher or something fun like that.

And let C-3PO die saving R2 in the second or third film.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 10, 2015, 07:00:07 PM
That is the most awful movie I have ever read. Its nothing but disjointed fanservice without basic movie framework at all. Your idea of what is a good movie is just beyond bad.

Also **** Tatooine and **** lightsabres. Tatooine is a barren wasteland, why do we have to go back there again. I rather they have no lightsabers than get flashy with them, keep them relatively subtle like in the OT.

What I want is a proper movie like they use to make and rarely do now. A film with dignity and respect for the audience. That touch of magic as it were. Not this vapid vibrating flash we get now.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 11, 2015, 10:12:56 AM
That is the most awful movie I have ever read. Its nothing but disjointed fanservice without basic movie framework at all. Your idea of what is a good movie is just beyond bad.

Also **** Tatooine and **** lightsabres. Tatooine is a barren wasteland, why do we have to go back there again. I rather they have no lightsabers than get flashy with them, keep them relatively subtle like in the OT.

What I want is a proper movie like they use to make and rarely do now. A film with dignity and respect for the audience. That touch of magic as it were. Not this vapid vibrating flash we get now.


I will enjoy the movie they make, you will hate it no matter what so I win, thanks for playing.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 11, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
Blood in StarWars, what madness is this? In truth that post was far too long and my non-porn internet time is far too valuable to not be looking at cheeks!
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Post by: Stratos on January 11, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
I agree with some of your thoughts, Marvel.


I do hope they give us some form of tribute to the EU. Bring in some of the characters and elements but remix them to fit the film's vision for this new era. I would love to see Thrawn being the one to rebuild the Empire. I liked Mara before she married Luke. Though I did enjoy her conflict with Jason Solo and though that was a fitting ending to the character.


Jason was one of my favorite characters in the EU and would love to see the "spirit" of his character return. Buy that I mean show us a Jedi who is doubting the force, goes off on a grand journey and learns exotic force powers from other "faiths" similar to the Jedi. He then realizes he is the only one who can bring balance to the force and must become the Dark Lord of the Sith to bring about this balance.


I had the impression he came the closest to having true power and wisdom in balance. Now the films have a shot at exploring this concept to the fullest.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 11, 2015, 10:24:53 PM
I will enjoy the movie they make, you will hate it no matter what so I win, thanks for playing.
You just admitted if they feed you a movie equivalent of a **** sandwich you would eat and enjoy it.

What you wrote is just godawful and I doubt even Bay would go that low, well actually he might. It might be great fanservice if you're making an action figure diorama and not a movie.

What I expect with JJ at the helm is a movie that overloads you so your initial impression is good ala Mission Impossible 3, but find that moment that you think about it it starts breaking down rapidly and completely. If it is like both Star Treks it with start breaking down before the movie finishes. If it is anything like Alias it would be nonsensical but ok since it was its own show.

Will it be better than the prequels? Almost a sure thing given how low that bar is. Will it be a classic like the OT? I highly doubt it. He has yet to make a film that can be considered a classic and I don't think he is capable of doing so given his track record. There is no way he is going to touch ESB.

If this was a Nolan/Alfonso Cuarón/Doug Liman(Edge of Tomorrow) film I would expect better. Joss could work even if he is somewhat a little on the predicable side. Pete Travis from Dredd if I wanted Star Wars turned into an awesome bloodbath that isn't what Star Wars is about.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2015, 08:10:22 AM
I really don't think Chris Nolan or those guys would be a good fit for Star Wars. Star Wars shouldn't take itself as seriously as is their style.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 12, 2015, 12:22:41 PM
You're right in that Nolan would lay it a bit thick with the gravitas, but it would be a proper movie with good foundations to build on even if he only did the first. Its something Star Wars needs a bit of to break away from the awfulness of the prequels and bring it more in line with the OT. Doug Liman would be a closest out of the box fit. He has done a bit of everything and has shown he knows how to direct a effects driven sci-fi without being too serious.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 12, 2015, 12:31:52 PM
Wait... Mission Impossible 3 is bad now? Or maybe I missed your meaning. And I'd argue that Star Trek 09 was almost a classic in the sense that if it wasn't named Star Trek(I also enjoyed into darkness)


 I'd like a solid level of whimsy in new star wars films so please keep C.Nolan far away from it. Joss , Zack Snyder, Spielberg and even Brad Bird I wouldn't mind as they seem to have the type of balance star wars needs.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2015, 01:19:06 PM
And I'd argue that Star Trek 09 was almost a classic in the since that if it wasn't named Star Trek(I also enjoyed into darkness)

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Abrams' Star Trek movies may not be good Star Trek movies, but they're good movies if you remove that context. I'm not sure there's any established director short of maybe Joss Whedon who I think would have a better feeling for what Star Wars is, and expecting a mainline Star Wars movie to come from some unknown creator, as appealing as it may be, would be incredibly unrealistic.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 12, 2015, 01:34:26 PM
Mission Impossible 3 was a collection of Alias action sequences that JJ couldn't shoot on a TV budget. As individual scenes they are pretty good, but as a coherent movie no. While its not bad, its not good like the first movie but light years ahead compared to cluster **** that is MI2. In some ways John Woo and JJ have a lot in common but JJ appears to knows about the critical flaws but instead of fixing them he covers them up of plaster.

JJ has yet a make anything that is structurally sound. Its his style to cover up the lack of proper basic movie making with flash/lens flares in hopes you wouldn't notice the whole thing coming apart before the end of the movie. If your movie disintegrates with the most casual of inspections it isn't a good movie at all.

Both new Star Treks failed for me as it insulted my senses to try to hide insulting my intelligence and the abuse on my suspension of disbelief. He committed character assassinations on the main cast that only had name and rank in common with the characters of old. The only good thing to come out of it was Karl Urban. ST:ITD had me on "WTF is this" from the opening sequence and it just gets worse from there.

I am not sure removing Star Trek from Star Trek would have helped. If you couldn't make a good Star Trek movie then it wasn't a good movie in the first place.

JJ could be a better director but he doesn't want to grow as one.

Spielberg I would say no. He doesn't seem to care anymore, with it went the quality control and magic he is known for.

Brad Bird would be the superior choice over JJ and I would be happy to take him over Nolan for SW.

Joss is another I would take over JJ.
Title: Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2015, 02:07:20 PM
If you couldn't make a good Star Trek movie then it wasn't a good movie in the first place.

I disagree with this. Being Star Trek brings with it certain expectations that I don't think those films met, but I can see how coming at it without that baggage would mean enjoying them a lot more. Honestly, they felt a lot more like Star Wars movies than Star Trek ones.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 12, 2015, 02:26:15 PM
If you can't handle the baggage comes with an established franchise then maybe you should stop working on them or maybe you are just a bad director. A better director would have handled the baggage, a superior one would have turned potential baggage into assets.*Points to the good Star trek films*.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 12, 2015, 03:15:46 PM
Well I like Michael Bay, and I liked the Prequels and I liked Star Trek 09, so yes I want an AWESOME movie that fits into that style, I don't want a dated snore fest that only holds up because of the social impact it had. Star Wars is a great film but as a franchise it has evolved from a mere film THIRTY YEARS AGO, there is not going back so stop expecting that because it will never happen. You have to accept that this movie is not going to please everybody, it is going to have to appeal to both the OT only nuts and the PT fans are more flexible *AND* try to bring in new fans at the same time, obviously that is a tall order and not everyone is going to like it.


MAYBE what I described is **** in your opinion, maybe I am being realistic if the movie is at least as good as if not better than the Prequels I will be happy, BECAUSE yes the PT set the bar low, I never expected any movie, ever, to match the original Star Wars, hell even Star Wars couldn't do that with any sequels Empire came the closest and even that film divided the fanbase and took on a life of its own. I am just being realistic I would LOVE a great film, I really would but I will not set my expectations so high this movies disappoints despite the flaws I still enjoyed the prequels because they were Star Wars, I also like the video games and the EU stuff so my bar is already low so to speak because to me it IS more than just a movie so I don't want JUST a mediocre movie. I want a spectacle that is so great it makes me forget or at least overlook the flaws upon first viewing, just like the Prequels did. If it is a bad movie I don't want to find that out up front I want it to be shiny enough to fool me that first viewing after that it can be giant pile of **** like Attack of the Clones, I will then move past it and anxiously await the next movie. Knowing that I don't have high or unrealistic expectations because I learned over two decades ago not to have when it comes to this franchise. 
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Post by: oohhboy on January 12, 2015, 03:51:22 PM
Is there something about Star Wars that make a good or even great movie impossible? Demanding anything Star Wars and lowering ones bar so low is a disservice to yourself and Star Wars especially if you are a fan. Its a spousal abuse cycle. You don't demand better because you are afraid of moving on despite how abusive the relationship is. You fell down the stairs or ran into a door. You continue to make excuses when you can and should have better.

ESB achieved what few others have, the better squeal.

What I expect with the coming movies are films that fail as art. There is no doubt it will make money, but they will be products, devoid of soul and magic or be coherent. It will be the butt of jokes to come or worse forgotten about as it kills Star Wars for good and maybe for the better.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2015, 03:59:33 PM
On some level I don't think it's possible at this point to make a Star Wars movie that anyone who's a long time fan will really enjoy. The originals are built up so much in people's minds that it's practically impossible to live up to. A similar example in gaming would be if we actually got a Half Life 3 or Beyond Good and Evil 2, or if The Last Guardian ever comes out. No matter how good they'd be, they'd never live up to their legacy in the eyes of a lot of people.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 12, 2015, 05:13:52 PM
Counter example. Mainline Mario or Zelda games. Technology played a big part in this but what is astonishing is how they have managed keep the level of quality so high.

Maybe getting lighting to strike again is too much, but I don't think getting close to the OT is a big ask instead of tacking towards the PT. If you're going to take on baggage, you're better off taking the better of it than to try to take it all or selecting the worse of it. Given JJs history the outlook is grim for a quality movie let alone a good Star Wars movie.

Speaking of something that is better than PT, this gem.

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2015, 05:19:43 PM
Mario and Zelda games are released on a frequent enough basis that that doesn't set in, though. Peoe don't have time enough to put one game on so much of a pedestal before the next one comes out.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 12, 2015, 06:02:36 PM
I the spousal abuse metaphor sounds like your relationship with Star Wars, not mine, I agree the PT has flaws, but they are not terrible movies and the flaws are no worse than the flaws in the OT but people dismiss the same flaws when it comes to the OT because nostalgia and that pedestal Insanolord is talking about.



It seems everybody pretty much agrees the movies will not live up to any expectations so I suppose nobody else is going to offer their hopes or predictions?
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Post by: oohhboy on January 12, 2015, 06:35:39 PM
The PT doesn't have flaws as they are mistakes better off erased like a holiday special. The OT has endured because they are fundamentally solid movies at heart not because they got put on a pedestal. Saying they are good because they were put on a pedestal is putting the cart before the horse.

Hey, you're the one wilfully taking the abuse. You're the one willing to accept beatings for any Star Wars. You're the one who wrote that awful wall of scum that brought us here.

Mario and Zelda games are released on a frequent enough basis that that doesn't set in, though. People don't have time enough to put one game on so much of a pedestal before the next one comes out.
The series itself is the pedestal, each new game is compared to every predecessor. What's new, old, improved, bad? How different is it? Add the greater time investment to play a game and the interact with the player. The pedestal is there alright, its so big you're standing on it and think it's the ground.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 12, 2015, 06:46:38 PM
 I like the PT and they're the Star Wars films I chiefly grew up with (I was seven when Phantom Menace came out) but they're not the greatest movies with Attack of the Clones being downright horrdenus. That said I wouldn't trade them for anything.

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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 12, 2015, 07:37:32 PM
The PT doesn't have flaws as they are mistakes better off erased like a holiday special. The OT has endured because they are fundamentally solid movies at heart not because they got put on a pedestal. Saying they are good because they were put on a pedestal is putting the cart before the horse.

Hey, you're the one wilfully taking the abuse. You're the one willing to accept beatings for any Star Wars. You're the one who wrote that awful wall of scum that brought us here.

Mario and Zelda games are released on a frequent enough basis that that doesn't set in, though. People don't have time enough to put one game on so much of a pedestal before the next one comes out.
The series itself is the pedestal, each new game is compared to every predecessor. What's new, old, improved, bad? How different is it? Add the greater time investment to play a game and the interact with the player. The pedestal is there alright, its so big you're standing on it and think it's the ground.


And how is that different than Star Wars? You keep saying the originals are great films, nobody is arguing that, but they are NOT just films, they never have been their mythology and merchandise have been larger than life for the entire run.

The fanbase is deeply divided on Jedi, over the most trivial thing Ewoks. Everyone working on the first film expected it to be a flop, EVERYONE. It turned out to be a right place at the right time thing, yes it is a good film but it certainly has flaws too. It was put on a pedestal on day one, it has seeped into pop culture as the definitive sci-fi film and that itself stirs controversy by those who argue if it is even science fiction or not. There has NEVER been a unified Star Wars fanbase period. The comic books and novels, graphic novels, toys, video games, and storybooks were all there from the beginning.

You don't think EMPIRE divided the fucking fanbase? Really have you never heard the **** storm over A New Hope retrofitted to have Episode IV added AFTER Empire to make it fit in with Empire, changing the films previously released to fit the new films has been going on since day one, that is the norm. But somehow people get it in their heads there at some point in time was a definitive Star Wars, their version that they watched is the *right and true version* which isn't even real its fantasy. There are those who are so stubborn they even suggest the Special Editions are entirely different movies that should be wiped from the face of the Earth, obviously George Lucas thought the movies were flawed or else he wouldn't have tried to correct what he perceived as flaws. Not all of those were technical in nature many were artistic choices he made in 76-81 and then changed his mind latter. So the way I see it either you accept that Star Wars is a living organism that is constantly evolving, or you stay in a twilight zone bubble where time stopped in 1977.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 12, 2015, 09:54:08 PM
Ahh the George Lucas defence. Considering he botched 4 films in a row, anything he says and do with films should be in serious doubt. The amount of revisionism and retconning would make Stalin proud.

The special editions came about not because he wanted to fix the flaws, but to spite his first wife. He got very lucky with ANH when Marcia rescued ANH from George with her editing. He didn't want to give her credit she deserves, so to this day we don't have a high quality theatrical cut.

I haven't gone down the rabbit hole as deep as you have so I don't really know how decisive everything is. Most of the OT is actually before my time. Sure I saw them as a kid back in the late 80's early 90's, but I have continually found I had to reassess that period of time. Removing the nostalgia as it were and look upon that time with a more critical eye. The kid is dumb as hell and I have to adjust for that.

ROTJ flaws was that there was too much handwaving and yes the Ewoks are a problem. How Han's rescue doesn't make much sense even even for speed chess gambit. They Ewoks should have been Wookies as I have no doubt someone intervened (GL) to sell more toys to younger audiences. Closer to the ending you get, the more unfocused the film becomes as you have too many plot threads to cut back and forth.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 13, 2015, 07:42:37 AM
What "four" films did GL mess up?  I'll give you "Clones" (2nd half of the movie is fine) and "Menace " but Sith and the OT are fine. Are you sure you even like Star Wars, or is the jade far too strong to overcome?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 13, 2015, 07:55:21 AM
Mario and Zelda games are released on a frequent enough basis that that doesn't set in, though. People don't have time enough to put one game on so much of a pedestal before the next one comes out.
The series itself is the pedestal, each new game is compared to every predecessor. What's new, old, improved, bad? How different is it? Add the greater time investment to play a game and the interact with the player. The pedestal is there alright, its so big you're standing on it and think it's the ground.

We're talking about different things. This isn't a factor of quality, it's a factor of time. Nobody considers it sacrilege to make a new Mario game, because we get those at least every other year. Some are better than others, but you never have enough time to dwell on any one of them before it's time for another.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 13, 2015, 03:36:29 PM
PT and Red Tails. ANH is the only film that is directly his and even then he shares credit with atleast 5 other people. His retconning of SW and is own history shows he is either incompetent, stupid, narcissistic or a combination there of. His management is a menace to SW especially if you examine games. We would likely have double the number of SW games had he not kept poisoning them and that includes the likes of 1313, his latest victim.

If it is the factor of time that builds a pedestal then everything past x years without a squeal is a classic by default. No body considers it sacrilege to make Mario games because it defies statistical norms on quality. WE want more and we know it will be good.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 13, 2015, 07:49:30 PM
I will say this about George doing what he wants with his movie, so what it is HIS fucking movie or well it was now its Disney's movie but still he created it it was his world he imagined who the hell are you to tell him his vision for his imagination is wrong?
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 13, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
I never underwood why GL gets so much flack for his Directors Cuts when so many directors do it.




Can't speak on Red Tails, other than the camera he uses in some seems is very inexpensive and it allows younger, less endowed film makers have a shot with some hollywood level tech.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 14, 2015, 12:56:34 AM
GL cuts are universally detrimental to his own movies. Other directors have their own cuts, but they are usually little trims here and there mostly to help clarify or change the pacing a beat here and there. GL cuts though tend to be straight up retcons which change the tone of a scene or breaks the established character arcs or just plain gratuitous in the extreme. No other director goes out of their way to suppress their original work.

GL is wrong not because he make some mistakes, he has made a massive series of mistakes. That pattern of behaviour makes him wrong. Just because he is the creator doesn't mean no one should say no to him especially if he is wrong. The worship of him over the years reinforced all the bad aspects he has and left him impossible to control by himself or others.

Disney buying SW is probaly the first time Disney has saved something. JJ is not a good choice, but GL is the worst choice. I rather Brett Rathner or Bay to take it than GL. With Brett or Bay it would be holy **** laugh about it bad compared to WTF is this.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 14, 2015, 03:58:05 PM


Disney buying SW is probaly the first time Disney has saved something. JJ is not a good choice, but GL is the worst choice. I rather Brett Rathner or Bay to take it than GL. With Brett or Bay it would be holy **** laugh about it bad compared to WTF is this.




Do you really believe this or is it colorful language to reinforce your point? Because if it's the former then I think I need some adult supervision while having this conversation.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 14, 2015, 04:14:47 PM
A slight exaggeration. In a choice between bad SW and no SW, I would choose no SW. Bay and Rathner are the comedy options but I really would have them over GL so I can laugh about it.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 14, 2015, 05:13:02 PM
In truth, I really enjoyed Transformers 1 and I and think that pace and style of humor could translate to a good Spin-Off movie. I know they already have a director for the Boba Fett film but he fits that mold. Or if there was a JAR-JAR Ninja movie.


 (I really want him to be redeemed, like a masked thug gugan in episode 7 and you don't find he true linage till 8)


If you have 20min:
JJ Abrams: the mystery box - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjVgF5JDq8)


This dude gets it, I know you son't like his movies per se but after I watched this I had a new respect for the man!
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 14, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
Also, is that Sith in the snow on ENDOR?  IS SUCH A THING EVEN POSSIBLE?
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 14, 2015, 11:37:44 PM
People keep saying GL, and I think Green Lantern. Or Graphics Library.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 15, 2015, 01:24:58 AM
Watched the video and it has reinforced why I don't like him. His gimmick is the mystery or in the video the concept of the mystery box. Mystery has its place and is a great starter and isn't the only starter, but it isn't what everything is about and he frames everything around this one concept.

The problem with this is that he is missing half the equation, the payoff. Its why I hate LOST. From the very first episode I knew they had no possible payoff as they "Mystery" had no possible solution other than "Bullshit". He is so obessed with the mystery he doesn't build any other elements properly, it all has to serve the box.

Magic is mystery and you don't know how the magician does it, but the payoff is the rabbit that comes out of the hat. JJ has no rabbit, never had one(Ironic given IM:3 rabbits foot). His movies are multiple boxes and none of them payoff, because of this the box might as well be empty as it is all marketing to sell you an empty box. This is made worse in that even JJ doesn't know what is in the box if there is something in it.

He really misses the point of the Die Hard opening. He does identify the need to build character before you get to the main course but he doesn't apply this properly in his movies. In Star Trek the characters aren't characters, they are plot devices. He commits wholesale character assassination in order to do this. This is despite being able to identify great character arcs and moments.

The Tom Cruise finisher is a sleight of hand to distract you from the fact that what he said during the talk is incoherent and is missing many factors. The opening is intentionally rambling to place the audience in a perplexed state looking for anything to hook into.

He is a snake oil man.
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Post by: Stratos on January 15, 2015, 02:32:45 AM
JJ Abrams needs to learn a thing to two from quality fantasy writers. A basic outline of the plot including the ending would do him a heap of good.
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Post by: King of Twitch on January 15, 2015, 02:33:13 PM
My favorite was using fusion energy to freeze a volcano.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 15, 2015, 03:25:35 PM
I have no faith in his story telling, which is why I all I want is spectacle that is what he is good at and that is what Star Wars has turned into, I can read the books if I want a good story that is not what I want from a Star Wars movie. Anyone expecting great writing from a Star Wars film has never seen any previous Star Wars films, even the original was not close to great writing.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 15, 2015, 04:48:07 PM
Movies are one of the few places where the the engineering problem of 3 options pick 2 doesn't have apply.

The OT had awkward dialogue which is part of storytelling, but not the whole equation. The plot is fine expect maybe in the case of ROTJ because of the problems stated above but in turn it didn't have the awkward dialogue of the first 2. The elements the film focuses on is fine and this becomes increasingly important when you start adding multiple ongoing threads which can get pretty extreme like in Inception. Then there is the pacing and they are very steady in the OT which some people mistaken for boring since they tend to be people who must have always have something happening now.

So no, I most definitely disagree with your assessment. There is no reason why we can't have a spectacle and have good storytelling. If one was to get every single element right you would have movies that could surpass the originals. It would be very hard, but JJ just isn't up to it.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 15, 2015, 05:11:49 PM
Movies are one of the few places where the the engineering problem of 3 options pick 2 doesn't have apply.

The OT had awkward dialogue which is part of storytelling, but not the whole equation. The plot is fine expect maybe in the case of ROTJ because of the problems stated above but in turn it didn't have the awkward dialogue of the first 2. The elements the film focuses on is fine and this becomes increasingly important when you start adding multiple ongoing threads which can get pretty extreme like in Inception. Then there is the pacing and they are very steady in the OT which some people mistaken for boring since they tend to be people who must have always have something happening now.

So no, I most definitely disagree with your assessment. There is no reason why we can't have a spectacle and have good storytelling. If one was to get every single element right you would have movies that could surpass the originals. It would be very hard, but JJ just isn't up to it.


The characters are flawed, the plot in A New Hope is evil Empire built super weapon that destroy planets and gets blown up by a farm kid saying a prayer. I love Star Wars but I don't pretend its great art when it is not. It was right place at right time plain and simple. Empire was a little better but not plot wise. Empire was great as a technical achievement, it was spectacle it was more polished but the dialog was still pretty bad, the acting was better but not much. The movies get praised for their special effects, their technical achievement and for making a believable world that people can get lost in, all spectacle no substance. The fact they appeal to the most massive of the masses only supports their fluff because real art with substance rarely appeals to the masses and you always have oddballs who try to pretend its more artsy than it is to make themselves feel better about liking something so fluffy.
Title: Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
Post by: oohhboy on January 15, 2015, 09:34:07 PM
I think we are using two different languages. When A character has flaws or is flawed, it means the character has something that is detrimental to the character and is maybe something for them to overcome. The character in the OT has flaws like any good character should have.

When one talks about bad characters they talk about dimensions. Ever heard people describing a character as a cardboard cut out? It because they don't have any depth to them. Well written characters can be described by their audience by their personality traits good and bad. this is improved with good acting.

Han Solo is a cock sure guy who is has a mercenary streak who gets into trouble who evolves into someone who remains confident but now works for the betterment of others. Luke goes from a naive child dreaming of fun and glory of war to a man who has seen the curtain lifted before him. Liea is defiant regardless the situation and she breaks the stereotype of being the damsel in distress. The dialogue is awkward at times, but this doesn't affect the depth of the characters. If the characters actions aren't consistent with who they are then you have a problem.

Compare this with the PT, the character don't have any real personality, they have jobs, but a job isn't a person. Jedis are suppose to be against injustice but do jack **** about it even when it is right in front of them. They keep telling me that Jango Fett is some badass Jedi killer but we never see him do this so not only does he have no personality, he is **** at his job. If you want broken awkward dialogue look no further than Sand and I killed them all.

Even if you consider the OT as nothing but spectacle, it is better than PT because it is internally consistent and this reason alone makes it better. We could touch on the other reasons, but it would be redundant. In ANH they establish that Luke is a good pilot with the Womp rats. Anakin on the other hand doesn't have this established for him in a chronological order made worse when he is flying as a kid and lucks out multiple times without any setup. We don't see him fly again until ROTS opening and he is so reckless he gets people killed for no reason. Atleast Luke had the then mysterious Force going for him and the now dead Kenobi as a mentor to him along with the rest of Red Squardon.

Beyond that compare the Battle of Hoth to Geneosis. BOH had a proper scenario constructed. Why didn't the Empire blast it from orbit? Energy shield, Ozzel dies for it. So they make landings and have a clear defined goal to bring down the generator. The Rebels know this and their goal is to escape. The have the plan and equipment to do this which gives you this great moment where they announce that the first transport is away and everyone cheers.

Clones doesn't have this, there Yoda is a psychopath who completely disregards countless lives to kill the other guys I guess? There is no objective, just unfeeling slaughter. It didn't make tactical sense either if the goal was to kill the other side. The whole battle is illogical in the universe it is in. Its bad spectacle.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 16, 2015, 12:26:41 AM
I find your lack of faith disturbing!
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Post by: ShyGuy on January 16, 2015, 12:59:58 AM
The upcoming movies are going to make all the expanded universe novel fans very angry.
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 16, 2015, 02:01:15 AM
The upcoming movies are going to make all the expanded universe novel fans very angry.

One can only hope. Those expanded universe novels always made me very angry. The Empire continues to get defeated all the time. C'mon!
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 16, 2015, 02:43:56 PM
The upcoming movies are going to make all the expanded universe novel fans very angry.

Already happened in may when Lucasfilm posted the video explaining the Expanded Universe is no longer cannon and was being replaced with content that was canon with the films. Now everything post rebels is canon.

Star Wars canon

Films
The Original trilogy
The Prequel Trilogy
Force Awakens
The spin-off films

TV series'
Clone Wars 3D
Star Wars Rebels

Books
New Dawn
Tarkin
Servants of the Empire :Edge of the galaxy
Heir to the Jedi
Lords of the Sith
Dark Disciple

Comics
Son of Dathomier
Star Wars
Vadar
Princess Leia
K'naan


The Fanboys have already had their say and there's a small number of people boycotting or trashing the new Eu whenever they can.


So about the prequels am I the only one who didn't mind midicholrians. I felt it was an alright plot device to get Anikan to where he needed to be, as well as ay to catalog power levels DBZ style.
 

Title: Re: Star Wars Funhouse, A wretched hive of vum and scilliany.
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 16, 2015, 03:25:35 PM
I changed my mind. I am still hyped for this new movie, I still like the previous films so that is all I will say on it anymore.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 16, 2015, 04:33:23 PM
I changed my mind. I am still hyped for this new movie, I still like the previous films so that is all I will say on it anymore.


Good, good. By now you must know you can never be turned! It is your destiny!
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Post by: oohhboy on January 16, 2015, 04:46:59 PM
I changed my mind. I am still hyped for this new movie, I still like the previous films so that is all I will say on it anymore.
You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 16, 2015, 04:50:45 PM
I changed my mind. I am still hyped for this new movie, I still like the previous films so that is all I will say on it anymore.

NO, YOU'RE WRONG! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! YOU ARE NOT HYPED!
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 16, 2015, 05:05:24 PM
I changed my mind. I am still hyped for this new movie, I still like the previous films so that is all I will say on it anymore.


Your post betray you, I read the hype in you, the conflict.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 23, 2015, 10:44:13 PM
The Star Wars comics coming out in April.

Kanan - The Last Padawan #1
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GREG WEISMAN (w) • PEPE LARRAZ (a)
 Cover by MARK BROOKS
 YOUNG VARIANT BY SKOTTIE YOUNG
 STAR WARS: REBELS TELEVISION SHOW VARIANT COVER
 BLANK VARIANT COVER ALSO AVAILABLE
 VARIANT COVER BY TBA
• Kanan Jarrus--in STAR WARS REBELS, he’s a cocky, sarcastic renegade fighting against the Galactic Empire alongside the rag-tag crew of the Ghost...but years before, at the height of the Clone Wars, he was known as Caleb Dume, Jedi Padawan under the instruction of Jedi Master Depa Billaba. Neither master nor apprentice ever suspected that the Clone Troopers they commanded would turn on them upon the issuing of Order 66—the order to execute all Jedi. How did Caleb Dume survive? How did he learn to survive on his own? And how did he become the man we know as Kanan Jarrus? Writer Greg Weisman (writer/executive producer on STAR WARS REBELS, SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN) and artist Pepe Larraz (DEADPOOL VS. X-FORCE, THOR, INHUMAN) bring us a tale bridging the years between the Clone Wars and Rebels!

Princess Leia #3
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MARK WAID (w) • TERRY DODSON (a/C)
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• Leia’s mission leads to the underground world of Sullust!
• The Empire’s forces are on her trail and gaining!
• Join the galaxy’s toughest Princess on a quest to save her people!

Darth Vadar #4
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KIERON GILLEN (W) • SALVADOR LARROCA (A)
 Cover by ADI GRANOV
 VARIANT COVER BY SALVADOR LARROCA
• Revenge of the Battle Droids???
• Vader returns to Geonosis to build his army!
• The Dark Lord’s ascension continues!

Star Wars #4
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JASON AARON (W) • JOHN CASSADAY (A/C)
 SKETCH VARIANT COVER BY JOHN CASSADAY
 VARIANT COVER BY TBA
 THE GREATEST SPACE ADVENTURE OF ALL TIME CONTINUES!
• Luke Skywalker is NOT a Jedi—not yet, at least.
• He’s only ever met one Jedi in his life...and he died.
• So, Luke’s quest leads him back to Obi-Wan’s hut...on Tatooine.

There should be announcement of Annuals and New books come March at celebration.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 25, 2015, 08:03:38 AM
If Endor is a moon, then where is the planet?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 25, 2015, 08:26:01 AM
Well you've gotta figure the Death Star stayed on the other side of the moon from the planet, and that's the only side we saw it from.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 25, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
I just watched James and Mike Monday's play through of Star Wars Shadows of the Empire and I forgot how huge that thing was. He made a comment about how, to him, it seemed like that mini-franchise was what made Boba Fett such a legend. At first I wasn't sure but then I remembered I got my first Boba Fett figure after reading that book and playing that game. Before that he was just another no named character in the background I didn't know much about because I wasn't alive when the holiday special aired and I never had the mail in figure because it was already rare by the time I was old enough to know it even existed.
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Post by: Stratos on January 26, 2015, 09:22:56 PM
The game gets even bigger when you unlock the uber secrets.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 30, 2015, 02:55:22 PM
I was just thinking:




I would pay green money for a iRobot/Roomba that was shaped like R2-D2 and played his sound effects. Really! If they gave it Siri/Ok, Google commands, I'd pay an enormous amount of money. WHY ISN"T THIS A THINGY YET?


Edit: I never knew how much a normal Roomba co$t, belay my last. A regular , non-droid Roomba is completely over priced .
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 30, 2015, 03:32:07 PM
There are rumors that Darth Vader will make an appearance in this film, either full on resurrected, a ghost, or a flash  back. I do not like any of those ideas. The dream sequence in Sith was so out of place with the rest of the movies I would think a flash back would be jarring. A full on resurrection makes sense to some degree as they did that with the Emperor but it diminishes his story a little. A ghost appearance = Hayden loserface and I am not OK with that.


Damn you Oohboy, you might get your wish of them not only ruining this movie, but sucking my hype for it out.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 30, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
Zombies are really popular right now, and who doesn't love Darth Vader? They'd be stupid not to combine the two.
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Post by: oohhboy on January 30, 2015, 06:30:31 PM
I am pretty damn sure Luke burned the half a corpse of Vader on Endor. If they clone his ass just to put him in a suit, I will die drowning in the tears of my own laughter. He is dead, move on, the PT ruined him there is no need to "Finish" a job completed.
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Post by: Stratos on January 30, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
The books and comics used clones to great effect in some instances. You could apparently use the force to attach a person's spirit to a new clone body if done correctly. In the Zhan trilogy (Heir to the Empire, Dark Forces, Last Command), there is a cloned ancient Jedi master where the "sync" went horribly wrong and he became deranged. Not necessarily a dark Jedi, but deranged. And he got worse mentally as time went on. He ended up cloning Luke from the severed had on Cloud City too. He was also obsessed with getting Han and Leia's unborn, force sensitive twin children.


I could see Abrams having a cloned Darth Vader brought back by a power hungry Imperial Moff who did not know he had "turned back" to the light side. But the cloning process can cause Vader to go berserk and he becomes obsessed with his kids/grand kids. It would make sense to have Vader be obsessed with his grandchildren (assuming they do a plot point like that).


It could also be a fake Vader since anyone could easily create a false suit similar to his to use as an intimidating image of power. Since Vader and the Emperor are dead who would be around to complain? If this takes place far enough in the future it could easily be an admiring copycat similar to the young Joker in the New Justice League/Batman shows.
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Post by: shingi_70 on January 30, 2015, 06:43:45 PM
Flashbacks would be weird because none of the on screen material has used them. I know rebels has a no flashback policy for example.

As for Vadar we know his armor is in the film as the main site guy is obsessed with the sith and more importantly Vadar himself.

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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 30, 2015, 07:24:02 PM
It could be like a Frankenstein Vader, with bits of his corpse and some other evil corpses shot with force lightning to reanimate them.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on January 30, 2015, 10:48:28 PM
I always wanted Vader to come back in the books. Back when they were still considered official canon, before the prequels, Lucas basically said Vader is dead he will never be revived for the novels. He kept his word on that. If the new guard ignores that they will really be splitting the fanbase, whats left of it, even further down the middle.

As for the suit, Vader wasn't intimidating because he wore black, he was intimidating because he could kill you with his thoughts, any Moff or other non-Force sensitive person trying to "spook" people by wearing a Vader costume will still have to find a way to kill people with their thoughts or else they won't fall for it.

It could be like the Hand of Thrawn books though where they basically create a fake Thrawn and spook the Alliance into over reacting just because of how cunning the real one was. In that scenario it could work for a short period but eventually people will catch on. Vader was also intimidating because he reigned in a time where people had forgotten the Jedi as he had already begun hunting them down. Any people alive during his reign would have feared him even more because they weren't used to the power of the Jedi. In this series presumably Luke should have at least stated training some new legion of Jedi so people will be more open to the Force by now making a Sith Lord less intimidating.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 03, 2015, 07:54:00 PM
A lot of new news and rumors regarding the star wars universe.
Apologies for how in organized the posy is, I'm typing from my phone.

As in concrete news

-Star Wars Rebels season 2 will be twice as long as the first going to 22 episodes.

-Lando will show up as a recurring guest character and have more appearances.

-Hondo from the clone wars will shoe up in season 2 as well. 

-Tarkin is in the next episode of rebels and looks pretty meaning.

Making Star Wars had two big rumored leaks with the bullet points being.

Leak 1
-Snow Planet from the trailer isn't both, and it was seperatly rumored to be a planet with multiple biomoes.

-The film features a super weapon that can dtect force seneative people across the galaxy. It's bing used by the Empor to hint them down which is why Luke hasn't established a Jedi order. Early rumors did point to a Super weapon in a Sith home world.

-A new ship called the mirror is tied too the planet and is too big and powerful to be destroyed.

-The new Republic had been building a death star in secret and Leia has to choose weather to use it or not to destroy the super weapon planet.

-Rey isn't dasoy ridley's charcters name and is an alias like how obi wan went as Ben.


Leak 2
-Rey and Luke went into hiding around the same time.

-Rey is the daughter of Han and Leia

-Her lightsaber is mcguffin that opens up proverbial pandoars box on super weapon planet.

-Kylo Ten (Sith from the trailer) is collecting Sith artifacts becyse he's a fanboy and he needs the one that can open IP the Sith tomb.

-Luke is on self imposed exile and is guarding the Sith tomb where he's tormented by spirits that make him seem crazed.

-Gleason's character is a rbel who's the son of a huge character (Luke) who is hunting Finn (Boyega) and is looking for a way to atop both super weapons. Death Star 3 (Rebels) and Sith Planet (Empire)

Gwendoline Christen is a empire shock trooper with chrome armor that has a stealth mode. She has a lightsaber and kills without care. (She's supposed to be related to Dooku or Tarkin).

-The tomb is the body of an ancient evil and Luke doesn't know how to open it, but kylo renn does.

-The lightsaber is the Mcguffin that brings the new trio together and to Han. Han doesn't. Want Rey to go off on a adventure.

-Try is in love with Poe (Oscar Issac) and Han doesn't approve.

-Finns family was killed by the empire and he was pushed. Into forced recruitment.

-Finn and Pie meet in a imperial prison and don't really get along. They team up with Rey to break out.

-Finn steals a tie fighter and cragses and gets injured. (The start of the trailer perhaps)

Finnuses a lightsaber to delrect a blaster in a bar and Rey realizes he's force sensitive.  Finn is a pacfist at the start.

Max Von Sydow is a old revel alliance vet who deals with relics. He reveals why the lightsaber is important and its why Rey and runn share one for most of the film.

-Rey is reluctant to become a Jedi and was put it hiding and had her name changed to protect her from being tied to Luke and Han. Max is in on it and is her watcher.





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Post by: Dasmos on February 03, 2015, 08:39:45 PM
God, I hope the majority of those "leaks" aren't true.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 03, 2015, 09:22:23 PM
I could not / would not / should not read those leaks just in case they end up being true.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 03, 2015, 09:33:55 PM
I'll spoil tags them or delete them.once I'm near a computer.


Star Wars #2 is out tomorrow.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on February 06, 2015, 03:51:54 AM
the only logical way to go into and out of this movie not being disappointed is to have one expectation, there will be lightsabers. If you expect more than that your are setting your self up for major let down. If you have no interest in flashy light sabers don't watch Star Wars.
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Post by: Stratos on February 06, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
I could not / would not / should not read those leaks just in case they end up being true.


If the recent episodes of Rebels are any indicator, any and all of these rumors can easily be true. Just watched through episode 9 and all I can say is: *SIGH*...
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 11, 2015, 05:28:40 PM
Rumored info on the new battlefront from Making star wars

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The story of Star Wars: Battlefront’s campaign will span pretty much the entire Star Wars saga.
Star Wars Battlefront will feature segments in which you play as both the good guys (Old Republic, Rebellion and Republic) and bad guys (Separatists and the Empire). It was specifically stated that there will be a small portion of prequel trilogy content. You will participate in a couple of battles from the Star Wars: The Clone Wars, and the space battle above Corsucant from the beginning of Revenge of the Sith.
The majority of the campaign will take place during the original trilogy era. All of the battles and settings that you would expect to be there will be playable. It was said that the campaign itself is pretty long when compared to other first person shooters.
There will be some segments of the campaign which take place between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens. There won’t be a lot because in their words “Lucasfilm has a lot of plans for that era.”
The last section of the campaign takes place before and during the opening segments of The Force Awakens. Don’t expect anything too revealing, because the game is expected to ship about a month before the movie releases.
For both the Republic (that’s what the good guys are being called in the production here) and Empire sections you will be playing characters that actually appear in The Force Awakens.
EA/DICE was allowed into Pinewood Studios for a few days to scan and capture props, sets, etc for recreation in the game.
At one point either during either the portion between episodes 6 and 7 or the portion from the beginning of The Force Awakens a character with the last name Tarkin appears.
The scale of the multiplayer is going to be absolutely massive with up 64 players participating on each side.
Space to land battles are absolutely happening, but will only be available in certain game modes.
There will be a “hero” system in place, where as you play you accumulate points that you can eventually cash in to play as a “hero” character. These characters are extremely powerful and have abilities that are not available to the normal characters that you play for most of the matches. The system is constantly in flux, but as it is now, pretty much everyone have a chance to play as a hero at least once per match.
The Downloadable Content plan for the game is “extremely aggressive”. Expect up to five DLC packs for the game, with the first coming out before the end of 2015. Each pack will be themed, with the first two or three being exclusively based around content from The Force Awakens.
The game will ship with several The Force Awakens characters already, but some won’t be added until DLC. Specifically all of the characters in the trailers will be available at launch, as will new versions of the X-wing an TIE fighter.
Tons of new ships and vehicles.
The contents of each DLC will contain at least three new maps, new hero characters, and new vehicles/ships.
I saw a character model for the new Stormtroopers, the model for the new X-wings, and some random models of guns, grenades, and other things like that. However, the most interesting thing was a picture of a screen from one of the employee databases.
It was as a checklist that the department heads can go through to see whats been complete, whats been bug tested, etc. It was basically just a black screen with lines and lines of text posts, with comments and suggestions under each post. What was most interesting about this is what was listed. This particular screen I saw was for a listing of maps for the multiplayer mode. There was a lot of stuff that you’d expect to see in a game like this like:
Hoth: EP5
Endor: EP6
Alderaan
Corscucant
Yavin: EP4
Like I said, nothing major. EXCEPT for this listing that I saw
Tatooine: EP1
Tatooine; EP4
Tatooine: EP7
Now, I know that’s not concrete evidence that the desert planet from The Force Awakens is Tatooine, but I thought it was interesting because I know there was been some debate about that subject.
That is a lot to take in and if the information is accurate, it sounds like a really great experience for Star Wars fans and the links to the new movie sounds pretty good considering how paltry it could be.
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Post by: shingi_70 on February 23, 2015, 11:22:41 AM
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• The Empire is rounding up fugitive Alderaanians...
• ...that doesn’t sit well with their Princess.
• But what can one woman do against an Empire?
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THE GREATEST SPACE ADVENTURE OF ALL TIME CONTINUES!
• As Luke goes home in search of the truth about his late mentor...
• ...Leia takes Han on a secret mission of vital importance to the Rebellion.
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Plus some interesting rumors since last week from Making Star Wars.

Rumor 1

-This scene takes place in the evil castle and maybe be the same snowy planet from the teaser trailer.
-Han solo is hiding and comes out to reveal himself to Kylo Renn (Sith from the trailer)
-Finn, Rey, chewie and the new droid stop in their tracks to watch the confrotation.
-Renn and Han exchange words and Renn silences the conversation forever.
-Chewbacca yells and blasts while Renn leaves.
-Han is no longer in the film after this scene.


Rumor 2


-Luke is only in a few scenes in the movie.
-he shows up at the end and in  flashback sequence.
-Seems like Luke set up a Jedi Academy but quit when the majority of his student were slaughtered over the Mcguffin lightsaber.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 10, 2015, 08:47:37 PM
Star Wars #3 from Marvel comes out tomorrow.
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Lucas film announced one of the first Major branches of Star Wars merchadising and lead up to the the Force Awakens with a Publishing Initiative called Jounry to the Force Awakens. Its a series of Novels, YA Books, and comcis that will span the 30 year gap between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens. Hints and piceces to Force Awkanes wlll be in these books so they'll hint at what gets out big three to where they are now.


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Star Wars: Aftermath
Star Wars: Lost Stars by Glaudia Gray
The Weapon of a Jedi : A Luke Skywalker Adventure by Jason Fry
Smuggler's Run; A Han Solo Adventure by Greg Ruka
Moving Target: A Princess Leia Adventure by Cecil Castellucci[size=78%] [/size]
Star Wars: Journey to the Force Awakens
Star Wars: Journey to the force awakens C-3PO


The synopsis of Aftermath
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[/size]The second Death Star is destroyed. The Emperor and his powerful enforcer, Darth Vader, are rumored to be dead. The Galactic Empire is in chaos.[/size]Across the galaxy, some systems celebrate, while in others Imperial factions tighten their grip. Optimism and fear reign side by side.
And while the Rebel Alliance engages the fractured forces of the Empire, a lone Rebel scout uncovers a secret Imperial meeting…




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Post by: shingi_70 on March 12, 2015, 10:12:45 PM
So today was pretty big news for Star Wars fans.
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[/size]First the Plot synopsis to some more of the Journey to the Force Awakens books just came out.
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[/size]First up is Lost Stars being written by Claudia Grey
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This thrilling Young Adult novel gives readers a macro view of some of the most important events in the Star Wars universe, from the rise of the Rebellion to the fall of the Empire. Readers will experience these major moments through the eyes of two childhood friends-Ciena Ree and Thane Kyrell-who have grown up to become an Imperial officer and a Rebel pilot. Now on opposite sides of the war, will these two star-crossed lovers reunite, or will duty tear them-and the galaxy-apart?


[/size]Star Wars: Lost Stars also includes all-new post-Star Wars: Return of the Jedi content, as well as hints and clues about the upcoming film Star Wars: The Force Awakens, making this a must-read for all Star Wars fans.

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[/size]After that we get too the books about the big three.
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[/size]The Weapon of a Jedi written by Jason Fry
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Luke Skywalker returns for an all-new adventure in this thrilling upper middle grade novel. Set between Star Wars: A New Hopeand Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, the story finds Luke Skywalker, C-3PO, and R2-D2 stranded on a mysterious planet, and explores Luke’s first-ever duel with a lightsaber. Hidden in the story are also clues and hints about the upcoming film Star Wars: The Force Awakens, making this a must-read for fans old and new!

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[/size]Smuggler's Run written by  Greg Ruka
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Han Solo and Chewbacca the Wookiee team-up for an all-new adventure in this thrilling upper middle grade novel. Set betweenStar Wars: A New Hope and Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back,the story follows everyone’s favorite pair of smugglers as they fly theMillennium Falcon on a top-secret mission for the Rebellion. Hidden in the story are also hints and clues about the upcoming film, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, making this a must-read for fans old and new!

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[/size]and lastly Moving Target written by [/color][/size]Cecil Castellucci[
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Princess Leia returns for an all-new adventure in this thrilling upper middle grade novel. Set between Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back and Star Wars: The Return of the Jedi, the story follows the warrior princess as she leads a ragtag group of rebels on a dangerous mission against the evil Galactic Empire. Hidden in the story are also hints and clues about the upcoming film Star Wars: The Force Awakens, making this a must-read for fans old and new!



and in Even Bigger news Lucasfilm confrimed that Rian Johnson will be indeed writing and directing Star Wars Wars Episode IX. Only thing from Johnson is he confrimed that Frank Oz will return as Yoda.


Lucasfilm also released the frist details on the Star Wars Spin off film now Known as Rouge One written by John Knoll and with Felicity Jones as the lead. Its been confirmed that is a Rouge Squarden movie and will probably be top gunn in space.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 12, 2015, 11:22:52 PM
I am going to remain positive this new movie will be good. Nothing is going to shake that. All I have to do is watch nothing but terrible movies between now and then and set my expectations really low. When does Mocking Jay 2 hit that should lower my expectations just enough.
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Post by: oohhboy on March 13, 2015, 06:49:01 AM
That is a lot of effort to watch a **** movie.

Yub yub, Commander.
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Post by: Stratos on March 13, 2015, 05:11:01 PM
Yub yub Commander! Loved the Rogue/Wraith Squadron books. I hope they are able to capture that spirit in this new "Rogue One" film.


My optimism is shrinking bit by bit as I learn more about the new direction Star Wars is going. I'll still see it opening night and hope for the best, but nothing being worked on other than Rogue One sounds interesting and that is just based on my hope it is like RS.
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Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 13, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
I loved all the X-Wing books they were some of my favorite Star Wars books. I always thought of them as side books though not really a part of the main story but you still had some really interesting stuff in them.
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Post by: Stratos on March 13, 2015, 10:17:13 PM
Wedge Antilles and Corran Horn were some of my favorite characters. And Aaron Allston's writing style in the Wraith Squadron books were hilarious. I loved the running joke about an Ewok pilot and IT TURNS OUT THERE IS ONE. Love it. May he rest in peace. Michael A Stackpole is a great author too. I enjoy his other works as well.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 13, 2015, 10:22:36 PM
Is the actor who played Wedge signed on for any new movie? I'm trying to stay level headed about this but we are about 6 weeks away  (maybe less) from the trailer to
THE SEQUAL TO RETURN OF THE JEDI!!


I trying not to lose it but when I see that trailer...its pretty much a wrap and I her lose my **** over this kinda stuff!


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Post by: Stratos on March 13, 2015, 10:26:01 PM
I have not heard anything about...I forgot his real name...returning to play Wedge. I truly feel he needed to make a cameo in some form and will be rather bummed if they ditch him from the Rogue One film. The character belongs in a story about rebel fighter pilots.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 14, 2015, 12:21:47 PM
I agree. Maybe he can be the teacher ala TOP GUN. Wasn't he a better pilot than Luke?
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Post by: Stratos on March 14, 2015, 05:31:18 PM
I think the consensus was that without the force being involved Wedge would win in a fight. I believe he even went head to head with other Jedi and gave them runs for their money.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 16, 2015, 04:00:34 PM
Well Abrahams went to the guy who played Wedge and he declined. I could see him coming back for a role that isn't a glorfied cameo though.


Some new Star Wars news.


Here's the promo cover to Star Wars Journey to the force awakens by Phil Noto. The title of the books is shattered empire though no writer or artist was given.
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The writer of Star Wars: Aftermath has been been announced as Chuck Wendig.


The composer for Star Wars: Rouge One is Alexandre Desplat.


EA wannounced that they will be at celebration next month so expect a blow out of Battlefield all next month.
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Post by: Stratos on March 16, 2015, 04:23:23 PM
A theory has it that the "big Wii U port" Tantalus is working on could be the new Battlefront because Disney ordered the game to be on every platform and since EA is being all stuck up they got Tantalus to do it. If that is the case we may get a fantastic quality title. Tantalus does good work on Nintendo systems, just like Treyarch.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 16, 2015, 08:37:26 PM
I'm not sure, Battlefront is skipping the last gen platforms so I could see it missing the Wii U as well.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 25, 2015, 01:13:48 PM
So EA confirmed that the Platforms for Star Wars Battlefront will be PC/PS4/Xbox One.

Here's the description to Star Wars: Dark Disciple.
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Based on unproduced scripts from the blockbuster TV show Star Wars: The Clone Wars!
 
The only way to bring down the dark side’s most dangerous warrior may be for Jedi and Sith to join forces.
 
 In the war for control of the galaxy between the armies of the dark side and the Republic, former Jedi Master turned ruthless Sith Lord Count Dooku has grown ever more brutal in his tactics. Despite the powers of the Jedi and the military prowess of their clone army, the sheer number of fatalities is taking a terrible toll. And when Dooku orders the massacre of a flotilla of helpless refugees, the Jedi Council feels it has no choice but to take drastic action: targeting the man responsible for so many war atrocities, Count Dooku himself.
 
 But the ever-elusive Dooku is dangerous prey for even the most skilled hunter. So the Council makes the bold decision to bring both sides of the Force’s power to bear—pairing brash Jedi Knight Quinlan Vos with infamous one-time Sith acolyte Asajj Ventress. Though Jedi distrust for the cunning killer who once served at Dooku’s side still runs deep, Ventress’s hatred for her former master runs deeper. She’s more than willing to lend her copious talents as a bounty hunter—and assassin—to Vos’s quest.
 
 Together, Ventress and Vos are the best hope for eliminating Dooku—as long as the emerging feelings between them don’t compromise their mission. But Ventress is determined to have her retribution and at last let go of her dark Sith past. Balancing the complicated emotions she feels for Vos with the fury of her warrior’s spirit, she resolves to claim victory on all fronts—a vow that will be mercilessly tested by her deadly enemy . . . and her own doubt.

According to Making Star War Disney and Paramount have reached a deal where Disney won't talk about  Star Wars Rouge One until after Summer 2015 because of the name similarties to Mission impossible Rouge Nation.

Also from Making Star Wars, a live action Star Wars TV series in development, but its probably a few years off a Lucasfilm needs to get scheduling down so they can use Pinewood all year round and reuse sets from the films for the TV Series. So We probably won't get the series until Late 2016 or 2017 so far.
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Post by: ThePerm on March 25, 2015, 04:11:41 PM
that is why when EA got the license, i was like "ah **** that"
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 25, 2015, 06:31:45 PM
that is why when EA got the license, i was like "ah **** that"

Why, I'm pretty sure it would be the same if it were Lucasfilm making the games. I mean the whole reason why they gave EA the lsience was so they could have major control of the games that are made without internal development.
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Post by: oohhboy on March 26, 2015, 01:32:21 AM
He is finally done and has pre-emptively put to shame whatever JJ is going to throw up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
Far more Star Wars than the prequels and Rebels combined.
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Post by: shingi_70 on March 30, 2015, 09:51:38 PM
He is finally done and has pre-emptively put to shame whatever JJ is going to throw up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
Far more Star Wars than the prequels and Rebels combined.

Eh the actual framing is off forth star fights which ahs something that has been consistent for majority of the series. Also the series has never been about Graphic death imo.

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Post by: oohhboy on March 31, 2015, 10:26:40 AM
Eh the actual framing is off forth star fights which ahs something that has been consistent for majority of the series. Also the series has never been about Graphic death imo.

Can you rephrase that? I am having trouble interpreting what you're writing.
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Post by: Dasmos on March 31, 2015, 05:46:35 PM
He is finally done and has pre-emptively put to shame whatever JJ is going to throw up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU
Far more Star Wars than the prequels and Rebels combined.

lol why is this supposed to be impressive? I mean I get that it's commendable that it was drawn and animated by the one guy, but other than that I don't get what's so special about it.
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Post by: animecyberrat on April 10, 2015, 09:31:58 PM
has anybody checked out the newly released digital copies that came out today?
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Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 16, 2015, 03:32:53 PM
Welp.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 16, 2015, 03:42:53 PM
Star Wars: The References Awaken.
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Post by: Khushrenada on April 16, 2015, 03:49:18 PM
Looks better trailer by trailer.
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Post by: Soren on April 16, 2015, 03:59:42 PM
Expectations still tempered.
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Post by: Stratos on April 16, 2015, 04:38:10 PM
Harrison Ford looks...old.


Why does Chewie not look any more gray? He may have a longer lifespan but they still age and their fur changes color. Or will he be immortal now?
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Post by: shingi_70 on April 16, 2015, 08:54:21 PM
That new trailer has me feeling some kind of way, its just really damn good. The opening panel with the downed Star Destoyer is just great looking.


Some interesting things the rebel alliance is now called the resistance and the Empire is now the First Order.






Marvel announced a new mini-series debuting in July to replace Princess Leia titled Lando and will be written by Charles Soule and drawn by Alex Maleev.
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Post by: Stratos on April 16, 2015, 10:30:25 PM
I don't remember, is Billy Dee Williams making an appearance in this film?
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on April 18, 2015, 06:01:10 PM


"THAT TRAILER MADE A LITTLE BIT COME OUT!"

I haven't been this hype in a very long time. It was glorious!
Harrison Ford looks...old.


Why does Chewie not look any more gray? He may have a longer lifespan but they still age and their fur changes color. Or will he be immortal now?




Wookies live a couple hundred years...and Chewie was already old 30 years ago if I remember well. He was 206 in Jedi so a couple more years won't make he change that much.



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Post by: shingi_70 on April 18, 2015, 11:38:07 PM
I don't remember, is Billy Dee Williams making an appearance in this film?


Nope its been said he's in the sequel, but he was in rebels this and last season.


Speaking of which some more news


Here's the trailer for Star Wars Rebels Season 2.

A new Novel slated for November titled Star Wars: Battlefront: Twilight Company was announced. Its written by Alexander Freed. I find it a bit odd that a game with no single player is getting a tie in novel, but its more content. It sound's like the game at one point had a story mode but for reasons couldn't be released.




Star Wars Insider has said that the Blade Squadron short story is going to become a monthly feature and once fall hits the story will jump into the same time period the Star Wars aftermath book takes place in.






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Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 19, 2015, 08:57:56 AM
This.

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Post by: oohhboy on April 19, 2015, 12:08:14 PM
You do remember that this is EA so that is a pack of lies?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 19, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
But a pretty damned impressive pack of lies, at least. If they could do even half as good as that it'd be pretty good.
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Post by: ShyGuy on April 19, 2015, 01:34:23 PM
I guess I should change the title again...
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on April 19, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
Best title change.




I don't know why but the font used for "The Force Awakens" looks really bad too me, if not just too damned generic. And it bothers me its not called Episode VII either. These are small things in an ocean of positivity but they do stand out. Maybe the poster will look more in line with the older movies.
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Post by: Evan_B on April 21, 2015, 07:08:00 PM
Abrams has proven very interesting in that he's taken on franchises that have a lot of history and generally some well at capturing the look and aesthetic but never really the feel of them. I mean, Trek 1 was an interesting experiment, but the fact that they hand-waved everything with time travel and rebooting meant they could take the franchise where ever they wanted which ultimately proved to be a bad choice. See Into Darkness.

I know that Abrams has put out successful products but I'm still extremely skeptical of this movie. I worry it will be rife with references and nostalgia for the sake of appeasing old fans while making safe, Disney-friendly choices with the new characters. And Abrams has yet to prove otherwise with these trailers.
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Post by: Adrock on April 21, 2015, 07:44:26 PM
Using time travel in Star Trek was interesting to me because Abrams didn't need to go that route to reboot the franchise. He could have said, "**** it. Let's start over completely" yet he chose to preserve everything that happened before (and manage to score a Leonard Nimoy cameo). I'm not enough of a Star Trek fan to say whether that was a good or bad choice as I had so little investment in the original series/movies. I felt like the reboot felt like a better Star Wars movie than the prequel trilogy. It was like he decided, "Well, I can't make Star Wars so let's make Star Trek into Star Wars." I'm cautiously optimistic about episode VII. Abrams has said all the right things so far (e.g. using more practical effects over CG, taking the series back to its roots etc.). For his style of filmmaking, I think he's better suited for Star Wars anyway.

I don't share the same worries. For better or worse, Star Wars has always been self-referential. Getting the original cast back was essential in bridging the original trilogy to this new one though the focus so far has been on the new characters. I expect at least one of the original cast to die (betting on Han Solo kicking the bucket in Episode VII). No offense, but I think "safe, Disney-friendly choices" is an unfounded concern. Disney has left both Pixar and Marvel to their own devices since acquiring them. Case in point, I'm on episode 10 of Daredevil. The show is about as far from Disney-friendly as I can imagine without gratuitous sex and nudity. There was even some side-boob. I was like, "Okay, calm your tits, show. Literally."
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 21, 2015, 08:07:21 PM
Splitting the timeline the way they did was the best case scenario for going back to that era of Star Trek. I have my issues with Abrams' take on Trek, but that was the correct approach.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 22, 2015, 05:26:04 AM
Abrams has yet to make a movie that hasn't disintegrated into nonsense mid way through the movie or on the ride home or in the case of Into Darkness, the first 5 minutes. It is partly his over reliance on references and nostalgia that both his crutch and what cripples him. Both his Treks were insults on the viewers intelligence. I expect more of the same with Star Wars because he has yet to do otherwise and given the number of opportunities he had, I don't think he is capable of anything else.
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Post by: Plugabugz on April 22, 2015, 08:54:40 AM
Abrams' biggest successes is not himself or his film style, but the production studio of people who work under him. The result of Bad Robot is Fringe, Almost Human and Person of Interest. Three shows he, himself, has nothing to do with (except bear his name) but were all very well done.

I'm prepared to give Star Wars a go, but then Abrams knows how to do a trailer (or film bits that work brilliantly into one).

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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 22, 2015, 05:37:14 PM
I watched the new trailer. I have to admit, I teared-up just a little, and not out of sadness. It hit some very right notes for me, a guy who's been crazy for Star Wars since age 7 when I first saw it in the theatre, along with the rest of the world that year. Back when it was still just called "Star Wars".

As for the "is Abrams any good" discussion above, I liked Super 8 a lot. I also liked the fist NuTrek a fair bit too. I haven't seen the second one yet. MI:3 was just okay but had a pretty great villain in Sarah Jessica Parker Phillip Seymour Hoffman. I also really enjoyed Cloverfield which he produced but did not direct. So, I have always been good with Abrams at the helm and am looking forward to the flick.

At the end of the day, it's just a fucking movie. Even the prequels, as dreadful as some of the bits are, had many really great bits scattered throughout them. I visit those bits on Blu Ray from time to time and I like them. The kids and I also revisit some of the dreadful bits too and get just as much enjoyment but for different reasons. We have bonded muchly over the terribleness of Star Wars over the years. Plus the worlds and mythology have such a great breadth and there are so many ways to engage with the "property" that is Star Wars, that there is always going to be something to find to like. Aspects of Star Wars that I really enjoy include the music, the artwork, designs for planets, vehicles and weapons, the sound design and sound effects, and the many stories set in the Star Wars universe that are not the movies, like the Clone Wars series and some of the comics and novels. I like the radio adaptations. I like the "making-of" books. I like the fan-films, both humourous and serious. There's a lot to "The Star Wars" and with the new movie coming out, there will be even more ancillary aspects to enjoy. In many ways "Star Wars" has outgrown it's own origins.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 22, 2015, 05:39:56 PM

(http://i0.wp.com/makingstarwars.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/lando.png)
Is poor Lando about to be stabbed by Norman Bates in that picture? Why is he sitting with his feet up in front of a shower curtain, anyway?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 22, 2015, 07:30:42 PM
It's not a shower curtain and it's the shadow of someone in front of him holding a blaster, it appears.
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Post by: oohhboy on April 22, 2015, 07:47:14 PM
designs for planets,
You have to be shitting me on this. Single biome planets is good design? Also **** desert planet, no reason that one planet should ever show up that much.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 22, 2015, 08:07:09 PM
I agree that every planet only having one type of environment is dumb, but I think Tatooine being as prominently featured is mostly justified by it bein the home planet of multiple primary characters. Probably unnecessary in Return of the Jedi, and seemingly really unnecessary in this new one, though.
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Post by: Dasmos on April 23, 2015, 10:15:55 AM
Man, oohhboy is such a grump. I bet that guy has a permanent scowl on his face.
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Post by: Stratos on April 23, 2015, 01:00:08 PM
Thatguy is a pretty swell guy. Don't lump him in with Oohhboy.
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on April 23, 2015, 02:29:43 PM
designs for planets,
You have to be shitting me on this. Single biome planets is good design? Also **** desert planet, no reason that one planet should ever show up that much.
I just meant they look nice in concept paintings and whatnot. I like space paintings.

But boy, that is reaching, isn't it? Now I seem like even more of a SW apologist. Oh well.

I like things, get over it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
figured I would cross post this since it's Star Wars spin-off related

[Star Wars Spin-off] + [Fantastic Four]
Josh Trank is off the Star Wars movie.

word is that there were some troubles with Fantastic Four (neither Fox nor the Producers, who is also doing Star Wars, was happy with his performance). No word on what that means for F4, but it's probably as bad as we all thought it would be.

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/josh-trank-no-longer-directing-star-wars-spinoff-1201485909/ (http://variety.com/2015/film/news/josh-trank-no-longer-directing-star-wars-spinoff-1201485909/)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/star-wars-standalone-film-loses-792892?utm_source=twitter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/star-wars-standalone-film-loses-792892?utm_source=twitter)
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on May 04, 2015, 02:37:55 PM
May the Fourth Be With You
and all that
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Post by: oohhboy on June 04, 2015, 12:53:42 AM
Star Wars fucked again (http://io9.com/the-new-in-canon-star-wars-comic-just-did-something-co-1708709628) before they even released a single movie.
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Post by: Evan_B on June 04, 2015, 01:35:20 AM
This smells of issue-selling bait. Sana will be dead/crazy by next issue.

This just puts a dirty spin on Han's character.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 04, 2015, 01:40:09 PM
Does that have to change the character at all?

I haven't read the issue, but she could easily be a crazy person.

The reactions on that article seem way overblown.
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Post by: Stratos on June 04, 2015, 09:12:17 PM
Sounds like one of those comedy story lines with the accidental "got married in Vegas" plots and the wife shows up to wreck her spouses current romantic aspirations. I suspect the whole story arc will get resolved before the movies come out.
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Post by: shingi_70 on June 07, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
You guys do realize that Han is supposed to be a huge asshole until the end of empire right? Marrying someone and taking off is pretty consistent with his character and the leaks for VII fall in line with this as well.
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Post by: oohhboy on June 07, 2015, 09:38:53 PM
Not if he didn't shot first!

 ;)
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Post by: Evan_B on June 08, 2015, 12:22:03 PM
You guys do realize that Han is supposed to be a huge asshole until the end of empire right? Marrying someone and taking off is pretty consistent with his character and the leaks for VII fall in line with this as well.
Didn't seem like he was an asshole at the end of A New Hope.
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Post by: Stratos on June 08, 2015, 04:54:40 PM
Not an asshole, a scoundrel.
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Post by: Adrock on June 08, 2015, 06:48:13 PM
Or a stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking, nerf herder.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 08, 2015, 08:49:44 PM
Basically an asshole who you also look up to.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 08, 2015, 09:19:53 PM
Or a stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking, nerf herder.

HEY! Who's scruffy-looking?
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Post by: Stratos on June 08, 2015, 09:31:01 PM
Or a stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking, nerf herder.

HEY! Who's scruffy-looking?


*WURRRGH!*
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 18, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
Well..

(http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/10/star-wars-force-awakens-official-poster.jpg)
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 18, 2015, 02:27:14 PM
Wish they used "EPISODE VII" and "THE FORCE AWAKENS" logo is still plain and awkwardly placed but tis still a good poster if not a little busy. Is that another Death Star? Maybe the rebels built one this time to keep the peace?
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Post by: ShyGuy on October 18, 2015, 07:05:54 PM
the parallel angles of the staff and the cross guard light saber make it look like the lady is holding a light saber staff.
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Post by: Evan_B on October 19, 2015, 01:57:11 AM
Who is the main character of this movie? I don't even know anymore...
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Post by: oohhboy on October 19, 2015, 02:03:00 AM
Something something dark side. Let the hate flow...

This is going to be soo bad.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 19, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
Something something dark side. Let the hate flow...

This is going to be soo bad.




not a fan of JJ?
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Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 19, 2015, 11:29:35 AM
Where's Luke?
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 19, 2015, 02:38:38 PM
Where's Luke?


"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate you destiny"
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Post by: oohhboy on October 19, 2015, 04:16:25 PM
The real questions is where's Luuke.

That poster is stupid unfocused. There is something to be said for the simplicity of the original posters that reflected the movie. If the poster is a reflection of the movie it's going to be a mess. I hope dumbass there dies when he gets stabbed by his own hilt.

Most definitely not a JJ fan. Man is a Hack Fraud.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 19, 2015, 04:57:25 PM

Most definitely not a JJ fan. Man is a Hack Fraud.


I know his directing can be "fruity" (hard to explain what I mean but it makes sense in my head) but Mission Impossible 3 and Star Trek (2009) are the best in their respective franchises so I can't call him a "hack" per se.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 19, 2015, 05:46:18 PM
That's crazy talk. The first Mission Impossible followed by 4, then 5 are the best. With Star Trek it's Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First contact. Trek '09 is better than the motion picture, but that is a bloody low bar to clear. Lets no forget that both of his Treks were Wrath of Khans.

His direction has always been "Nonsensical" and must be "Mystery" cause. His TED talk about mystery made it absolutely clear he has no idea how to tell a story. Almost none of his mysteries have any payoff with the worse offender being Trek '13 where every inch of that movie is worthy of mockery. Star War '15 is going to be terrible because JJ has yet to make a good movie or a movie that makes a ounce of sense. Even Michael Bay can point to The Rock and say yeah, that it was his one good movie.

He is going to try to emulate past works and he is going to fail as he has no idea what made them successful or good. Why do you think he is leaning so heavily on nostalgia?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 19, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
I like Star Trek '09 better than a lot of people, but to call it the best series is just completely insane. Maybe 5th or 6th.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 19, 2015, 08:43:54 PM
I guess I don't like the older movies as much.
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Post by: Evan_B on October 19, 2015, 11:13:08 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Abrams either, but when you get handed a project like this, much like the Avengers, you have to put your heart and soul into making it a lovable movie. Abrams at least seems to understand the necessity of practical effects, even though the latest trailer implies anything but that. Seriously, we don't need to see what a Hyperspace Jump looks like in process. That cheapens the magic.

In any case, I'm tentatively interested.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 19, 2015, 11:36:59 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Abrams either, but when you get handed a project like this, much like the Avengers, you have to put your heart and soul into making it a lovable movie. Abrams at least seems to understand the necessity of practical effects, even though the latest trailer implies anything but that. Seriously, we don't need to see what a Hyperspace Jump looks like in process. That cheapens the magic.

In any case, I'm tentatively interested.




We saw that in RotJ, it's not new.






That trailer was the best trailer I have ever seen that didn't also give away the entire movie. I hope there are no more trailers till after the movie comes out.       Fantastic!     


 Looks like somebody who grew up loving Star Wars made this film!!




Also, while Luke is not Kylo Ren, he may indeed be a bad guy of some sort, maybe a fallen Jedi.



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Post by: shingi_70 on October 20, 2015, 01:30:31 AM
Yep, I've looked at the major spoilers but that trailer was refreshing vauge. The Avengers Age of Ultron and Man of Steel trailers were the worst offenders for explaining the whole plot.
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Post by: oohhboy on October 20, 2015, 05:41:48 AM
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Post by: lolmonade on October 20, 2015, 12:29:55 PM
I agree the trailer is great, but I've come to wonder how many other franchises can guard this much information from the trailers and still drum up interest. 


Star Wars is THE sci-fi/fantasy franchise.  Even if you're my wife who doesn't care about them, you know almost everything about them through osmosis and its place in pop culture.  You can just leave a trail of bread crumbs for fans & cross promote w/Monday Night Football to get the broad audience interested enough to give it a try.


For a new franchise, you have to educate the public on what it is in hopes that they're engaged enough through the trailer to bother dealing with the theater experience.  Not that they don't go overboard with plot points a bit too much, but it's something worth considering. 




Regarding the actual trailer:



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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 20, 2015, 01:06:57 PM
Maybe Kylo is Han and Leia's son. And Han's reserved nature is based on him trying to save his son from the dark side. "Kylo Ren Solo, Grandson of Darth Vader"
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 20, 2015, 04:08:40 PM
My prediction and (probably) possible spoiler - Rey is Luke Skywalker's daughter, and Luke will die in the movie.
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Post by: Stratos on October 20, 2015, 04:51:11 PM
Maybe Kylo is Han and Leia's son. And Han's reserved nature is based on him trying to save his son from the dark side. "Kylo Ren Solo, Grandson of Darth Vader"


As a fan of Jacen Solo's path to the Dark Side in the Legacy, I would be down with this. Kylo could be a spiritual successor of sorts to Darth Ceadeus.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 20, 2015, 06:06:52 PM
My prediction and (probably) possible spoiler - Rey is Luke Skywalker's daughter, and Luke will die in the movie.


Not really a spoiler but to make make extra sure not to be a jerk about it.
Mark Hamil is already filming scenes for Episode 8 in Ireland. And rumor has it, so is Hayden Christensen.

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Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 20, 2015, 06:25:08 PM
It's just a prediction though - based on nothing. But in regards to your spoiler'd tags...
Flashbacks and "ghost" scenes.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 21, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Maybe Kylo Ren and Rey are the new twins?
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Post by: Evan_B on October 21, 2015, 11:21:48 AM
You know what really doesn't sit right with me? The new trailers, the factions, the designs. It's all just more of the same. All you need to make a good Star Wars trailer is a guy with a black mask and a red lightsaber, stormtroopers, tie fighters, x wings, and the Falcon. The Resistance and the First Order? The fact that NO ONE remembers what Jedi and Sith are? What is this, the galaxy where word of mouth circulates slower than Hyperspeed?

It's all the same notes as the older movies in an attempt to introduce a new audience. The problem is, EVERYONE HAS SEEN STAR WARS.
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Post by: lolmonade on October 21, 2015, 12:59:32 PM
The fact that NO ONE remembers what Jedi and Sith are? What is this, the galaxy where word of mouth circulates slower than Hyperspeed?



I don't think that sounds so crazy.  Think about our world currently.  How many people know innate details about the current military actions in the middle east?  of the Iraq War?  Of vietnam and the World Wars?  We have recorded firsthand accounts of events that took place, but not every minute detail of what occurred.


One of Vader's generals refers to the force as an "antiquated religion".  Han Solo didn't believe it's existence when first meeting Obiwan & Luke.  Is it so crazy that they kept it hidden from the public at large and the historical records show a rebel attack on the second death star is what took down the empire?




Regarding the comments about it being "more of the same".  Firstly, it's clear Disney is withholding as much new information as they can other than getting a glimpse into the new characters.  Secondly, this is going to act as a reintroduction into the franchise.  Given these two pieces of information, I think it's perfectly likely that Kylo Ren's Empire falls at the end of the movie & a different threat approaches the "rebels".  There's a lot of opportunity for these movies to swing in a fresh new way, I don't think we have enough info to make judgement beyond "yep, it's star wars".
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 21, 2015, 01:47:14 PM
You know what really doesn't sit right with me? The new trailers, the factions, the designs. It's all just more of the same. All you need to make a good Star Wars trailer is a guy with a black mask and a red lightsaber, stormtroopers, tie fighters, x wings, and the Falcon. The Resistance and the First Order? The fact that NO ONE remembers what Jedi and Sith are? What is this, the galaxy where word of mouth circulates slower than Hyperspeed?

It's all the same notes as the older movies in an attempt to introduce a new audience. The problem is, EVERYONE HAS SEEN STAR WARS.




"I find your lack of faith disturbing"
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 21, 2015, 02:04:17 PM
The Jedi had been gone for 40+ years at this point, and I'm sure Palpatine did his best to erase their history as best he could. I don't think many people encountered them on a regular basis, if at all, even during the old republic days, so it doesn't seem that crazy that they could just fade out of memory.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 21, 2015, 03:36:59 PM
General Tarkin said something to the effects of the last remnants of the old republic have been swept away and Vader that was all that was left. Add 40 years and the fact that Palpatine intended to rule forever and yeah


History became legend, legend became myth and somethings that should not be forgotten were lost.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 21, 2015, 10:43:44 PM
Well even in the prequel era when there was a ton of Jedi one would rarley see them. By the end of the Clone Wars when order 66 happened there were fewer than 1000 Jedi left.

That said we never really see the galaxy forget about the Jedi. We look through the films through the perspective of Luke who's been living in the sticks and has purposlly been left in the dark. Han Solo thinks its bull but knows what they were to some degree, and Leia knew first hand from her father.

The Jedi were smeared by Palpatine and most of the imoerals basically wouldn't talk of them but in insults.

As for the TFA The new post Jedi books do make it known that Luke is known as being the Last Jedi/Force User and the Republic's Golden Boy. 30 years later in the Weapon of the Jedi book he's described as being legendary and no one expect those in the know, knew what went down on Endor.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 26, 2015, 01:03:14 AM
I am currently on chapter 4 of "Shattered Empire: Journey to The Force Awakens" Its a comic that bridges the end of Jedi, starting with what happens right after the Battle of Endor to what I assume is the beginning of Episode VII. For those that don't know, this was also done between Episodes II & III with the original "Clone Wars"(Gennadiy Tartakovsky's verison ) Anyway, this is considered "Cannon" and should shed a few nuggets for those interested.


So I'm reading this and   Luke Force blocks a couple of thermal detonators right in to a whole squad of Imperials with NO HESITATION. Now I'm not stating Dark Path here but there appeared to be no remorse in his actions. As far as I can tell, Jedi don't really kill in droves and the prequels tended to face them against battle droids and the likes of some furious beast but not too many "men" fell at the hands of the Jedi.

The above is speculation based on facts and not anything I know for sure or have read
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Post by: Stratos on October 26, 2015, 01:05:53 AM
Well, in the Legacy material Luke went to the dark side at least twice and lead to some good story lines. It would make sense for something like that to happen here too. I do hope they deal with that in some fashion.
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Post by: shingi_70 on October 26, 2015, 02:46:57 PM
Shattered Empire was cool, Luke was pretty powerful but something felt off with his voice, havent watched Jedi in a while but Luke's felt off from what I remember of New Hope and Empire. I liked issue 3 a lot more myself.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 28, 2015, 04:20:51 PM
I just re-watched the original Trilogy and Episode III in an attempt to hype myself up for this new movie. I think it will be the return to glory for Star Wars where Episode III dropped the ball.
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Post by: Stratos on October 28, 2015, 07:59:42 PM
I don't think that three was the one that dropped the ball. Three was where episode 1 should have been and it should have gone up from there. Pity there wasn't someone there to restrain Lucas' urges.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on October 29, 2015, 09:04:57 AM
III was straight dope!







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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on October 29, 2015, 01:36:03 PM
Three was AWESOME I am not saying it wasn't but it dropped the ball at redeeming the franchise after the stink of 2. One was tolerable once you get over Jar-Jar, I mean anyone that can enjoy "Oh yeah its Mario time" can't really bitch about what ever the hell Jar-Jar was trying to say.

3 Screwed the continuity more than any other film, with the twins birth then mother dieing right away, showing Yoda all powerful on 2 but then scared shitless at Palpatine, when in Empire we see he is already terrified of the Emperor but in 2 he is all confident of himself. The horrible dialog between Anakin and Padme is unforgiveable, and that final light saber battle, while awesome, takes about twice as long as it needed to.
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Post by: Wah on October 29, 2015, 09:08:32 PM
If you want to find out about some weird ass star wars games, JonTron Is playing EVERY SINGLE STAR WARS GAME! every one, yes even the poopy ones!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcmkO8xoJW4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcmkO8xoJW4)
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on November 02, 2015, 06:33:59 PM
Trying to decide if I should buy tickets now or wait for reviews. I am most definitely not going to this thing opening weekend, unless the paper pays for it and I can get in to write a review of the film, then okay yeah hmm... might need to check with my boss and see if that is something he will consider.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 02, 2015, 10:46:04 PM
I hate opening weekends, but I definitely got tickets.  Even considering that this will be the worse opening weekend (for people like me who hate crowds) imaginable.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on November 03, 2015, 01:05:05 AM
I will forever defend Episode 1 as being better than Episodes 2 and 3...and that includes the horrible scenes with Jar, Jar.

The glory days for me are Episodes 4-6...and if you have to put newer material in, then Episode 1 gets a pass...barely.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on November 04, 2015, 09:12:32 AM
Episode 1 being better than 2 makes all the sense in the world (although, Id argue that the 2nd half of episode 2 is solid) but better than 3? MADNESS?
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on November 04, 2015, 04:07:57 PM
Well there is buzz going around that Disney is going to erase the Gold Bikini from future merchandise.
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Post by: Dasmos on November 12, 2015, 10:44:25 PM
That's a good thing.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on November 29, 2015, 05:03:45 PM
The amount of Hype and Press this movie is getting is unprecedented. I have never witnessed anything like this. I get that its the sequel to Return of the Jedi, which still blows my mind but damn its EVERYWHERE! It might break 300 Million in the first weekend (5day total) Is there too much hype? 
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 13, 2015, 08:58:04 AM
Started watching Star Wars (machete order - 4, 5, 6, 2, 3 - never watch 1) with the family last night. Never really noticed how bad the ending of Episode IV was, but it's pretty lame. Not sure what would have made it better, just something more than hugs and some medals.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 13, 2015, 09:01:32 AM
And the Slave Leia thing - I think Disney finally realized that selling related products was always horrible. Yes, it was a good look (taking into consideration that Star Wars is not real), but selling products with that look could easily be interpreted as promoting slavery/sex trade, etc. Especially when you consider the people upset about it are a bunch of neckbeards and dudebros saying they're too "PC" proves my point.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on December 13, 2015, 10:21:37 AM
Never knew how many people prefer Clones over The Phantom Menace. The second half of clones is pretty good after Obi, Anakin Padme land on Geonosis, but teethe 1st half drags. TPM never excels above average at best but  it feels like a Star Wars movie.


4,5,1,2,3,6,7




IN 5 DAYS!
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 13, 2015, 10:44:37 AM
No, you don't watch 1, period. You just tell the person that you're showing it to that Anakin's mom was a slave, Obi Wan and Qui Gon found him and took him to train as a Jedi because of the prophecy...and that's pretty much all that you need to mention. Darth Maul is completely irrelevant, and any other characters are better developed in Episode II.
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Post by: oohhboy on December 13, 2015, 07:23:11 PM
Or just skip the prequels as they contribute nothing good to the story.

Slave Leia happened, but it wasn't like she was helpless considering she choked out someone that had no neck using the very chain holding her prisoner. The slavery depicted was better than what happened in the prequels where the "heroes" did nothing after they left and had explosive implants as a means of control. Chains are still chains, at least a bloody chain wouldn't kill you.

4,5,1,2,3,6,7
Crazy person here rating the prequels over Jedi.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on December 14, 2015, 10:14:11 AM
I love Episode One it had the magic of Star Wars, the other two were just fanservice and that is why the so-called fans hate Episode One, it wasn't all fanservice it was the movie George Lucas set out to make and he got so much flack for it he had to shut off his internet forever. The problems with the prequels is they were just trying too hard to recapture the magic and everyone had built them up in their minds for 20+ years nobody was going to be satisfied. All six movies were intended to be childrens movies, the fact that some people just can't over look that is why they hold the first three, or two or one depending on who you talk to, in such high regard and **** all over the prequels.


The prequels do have some bad writing, lousy acting, and terrible dialog but no worse than Hunger Games, Spider-Man 1-3, or any of the Transformers movies, and people loved all of those. Star Wars is unique because it became a religion for some people and they consider it sacrilege to do anything with it they don't personally find fits into their twisted little world.


Slave Leia toys were not a bad idea, they don't promote anything any more than toys of bounty hunters promote kidnapping or toys of evil Sith Lords promote genocide , give me a fucking break and grow up dude. Ban the slave toys you might as well ban all Disney princess dolls they all get kidnapped and auctioned off for sex at one point, but nobody talks about that. Star Wars is a fairy tale, that is the best way to look at it, or some sort of mythology, it is not to be taken seriously, even Carrie Fisher is okay with the slave dolls, and I am sure not just because their sales make her money because the white Princess doll from A new Hope is also iconic with the buns and nobody seems to care she was going to be executed by her own father because she wouldn't rat out her friends.
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Post by: oohhboy on December 14, 2015, 04:31:56 PM
The OT weren't kids movies(except for the Ewoks), they were movies that happen to be watchable by kids. Calling them Kids movies is a weak excuse to wash real critical criticism one can lay on Star Wars OT and especially PT.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on December 14, 2015, 04:37:23 PM
The OT weren't kids movies(except for the Ewoks), they were movies that happen to be watchable by kids. Calling them Kids movies is a weak excuse to wash real critical criticism one can lay on Star Wars OT and especially PT.

Everyone called them kids movies when they came out, they were like Disney movies, made for kids but enjoyable by all, you got it backwards buddy. We can have this same argument all day long, there is obviously no changing your mind so go away, nobody want's your negativity.
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Post by: Toruresu on December 17, 2015, 11:54:47 PM
Just saw the movie and, while awesome, I think people should lower their expectations a bit ;)
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 18, 2015, 06:30:33 PM
I disagree. It met and/or exceeded every expectation I had. Saw it twice today.
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Post by: Toruresu on December 18, 2015, 10:45:30 PM
I disagree. It met and/or exceeded every expectation I had. Saw it twice today.

Just got home from 2nd view, this time 3D and with none SW fans, they got converted. This movie is great but, I think I set my expectations too high.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 18, 2015, 10:52:51 PM
My Ranking of the movies so far.

Episode:

5 > 6 > 4 > 1 > 3 > 2 

Though, I think you could probably Edit the prequel trilogy into 2 movies and have a much better experience...maybe even 1 really long movie. 
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 18, 2015, 11:02:38 PM
Though, I think you could probably Edit the prequel trilogy into 2 movies and have a much better experience...maybe even 1 really long movie. 

I'm pretty sure somebody already did that.
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Post by: UncleBob on December 18, 2015, 11:38:28 PM
Saw seven last night.

Episode One was better.  Seven needed more Jar Jar.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on December 19, 2015, 12:28:49 AM
Saw seven, wont post spoilers but its GREAT! Not ready to rank it till I see it again but its...wow!


For the record and context: 5,3,4,6,1....2
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 19, 2015, 08:50:41 AM
That's a strange ordering (Phantom Menage not being last), but you've got the first half with what most would say. My ranking:

5 > 7 > 6 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
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Post by: shingi_70 on December 19, 2015, 10:53:04 AM
4 >5>7>3>6>1>2
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Post by: Stratos on December 19, 2015, 12:05:20 PM
Read the stuff on Reddit about Darth Jar Jar. Trust me, using that head cannon the prequels are truly amazing.

I'll try to see star wars Monday when I return.
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Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on December 19, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
Rey Skywalker (still Han's kid but took her mothers name since she hates her dad)


Fin (where's jake?) Calrissian


That's all for now!


Well just leaving this here for you know analysis
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Post by: Ceric on December 19, 2015, 03:22:17 PM
Reading about Darth Jar Jar that makes a lot sense.
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Post by: michaelbaysuperfan616 on December 22, 2015, 09:29:23 AM
I read that Darth Jar Jar and was seriously hoping Disney embraces the funny man because he is the most Disney out of all things Star Wars.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 16, 2016, 12:18:13 AM
wouldn't Jar Jar as a Sith lord be Darth Rage Rage?
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Post by: ThePerm on February 15, 2016, 06:42:56 PM
Benicio Del Torro and Laura Dern will be in Episode VIII
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Post by: King of Twitch on December 02, 2016, 04:12:55 AM
This post (http://boards.theforce.net/threads/rey%E2%80%99s-anti-anakin-theory.50036483/) points out that Anakin and Rey have a "gift" for languages: "There is even a deleted scene in the original trilogy DVD’s that shows Anakin speaking droid, something unheard of in the Star Wars universe."

Has anyone noticed that Anakin's and Rey's first line of dialogue is in another language:


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WATTO: (subtitled) Coona tee-tocky malia? (What took you so long?)
ANAKIN: (subtitled) Mel tassa cho-passa... (I was cleaning the bin like you...)

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REY: Tal'ama parqual!
 
[The Teedo and BB-8 STOP, GO SILENT, turn to her.]
 
REY: Parqual zatana!

A half beat and the Teedo YELLS SOMETHING BACK, threatening. BB-8's head swivels to him, then back to Rey, like watching a tennis match. Rey angrily moves to them, pulling a knife from her pouch. Rey starts CUTTING BB-8 out of the netting. The Teedo freaks out, YELLING. Rey suddenly stands, turns to the Teedo and says, fiercely:
 
REY: NOMA.
 
The Teedo barks a sort of "AHHHHH!" (As if to say, "GO TO  HELL!"), Then heads off on his beast. This prompts BB-8 to start BEEP-YELLING at the departing bully, provocatively.



Watto is always going AHHH every other line. Did JJ crib that bit as an homage parallel or as a hint about Rey's lineage?
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Post by: Evan_B on April 14, 2017, 12:13:14 PM
Some dumbass posted a lame poster and trailer for the Last Jedi, FYI.
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Post by: ThePerm on April 14, 2017, 11:40:37 PM
This trailer didn't do much for me.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 15, 2017, 12:33:06 AM
I liked the trailer. :(
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Post by: Stratos on April 15, 2017, 01:52:48 AM
I kinda rolled my eyes when I first heard the "punch line" from Luke. Though I do kinda hope that means he found Ahsoka and they formed a but of a new post-Jedi order of non-aligned force users.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 18, 2017, 07:00:49 AM
To me it sounds as if it's two completely seperate lines stuck together.  I think it's a complete red herring.
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Post by: pokepal148 on April 18, 2019, 08:03:39 PM
The real Star Wars thing that's worth getting excited for is the TCW finale, the seige of Mandalore being brought to the big screen. I have a rough idea of the plotline for this one and holy ****, based on this scene they released for it it's going to be absolutely incredible.


Disney seems to be referring to the new season as season 6 which would mean they're technically part of the same season as the Lost Missions. A big part of the lost missions stuff was some of the Order 66 stuff starting to come to light through various circumstances so it honestly makes a lot more sense to end the series at that point in time than to have the Jedi council just twiddling their thumbs even though they know there's something up with the clones for another two seasons which was the original plan before Disney bought star wars. It's also incredibly fitting that the seige of Mandalore will now be a part of season 6 instead of season 8 because the Seige of Mandalore ends with Order 66 being enacted against Ahsoka because as we know from the Ahsoka novel, Seige of Mandalore takes place during Revenge of the Sith.

Either way I am massively hyped for the return of TCW.
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Post by: Stratos on April 18, 2019, 10:30:43 PM
I don't care what the seasons are called, as the "show order" is not even in chronological order. I just want all of the remaining episodes that were planned to release now. It may not quite be all of them since this is being called seaspn 6. Also, it makes me wonder what will be happening to the "lost" S6 episodes that Netflix partially funded after the show was cancelled. Hopefully that just means all of the episodes drop on D+.
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Post by: pokepal148 on April 18, 2019, 11:39:18 PM
The new batch of 12 episodes and the 13 lost missions ones form 25 episodes total which isn't too far from the other seasons which had 22 episodes each so I suspect they'll just all be considered part of season 6.

The thing with these 12 episodes is that they focus mainly on Rex, Ahsoka, and to a lesser extent Anakin who are basically the three main characters for TCW (or the closest thing TCW has to main characters anyways.) This feels like more wrapping up the main storyline than anything but I could see a few extra batches of "Lost Missions" type storylines coming along to wrap up some of the other loose ends TCW left behind but a lot of those stories were released as Comics or Novels so it's hard to say for sure if they'll be willing to redo them as animation, especially considering how expensive TCW was getting to produce. Than again Bad Batch was released already as a story reel and that's a part of the new set of episodes (although that also means they only have to finish it's animation.)

The issue that TCW has is it's budget. As I mentioned in the other thread George Lucas was basically personally bankrolling TCW and he was willing to put more than a million dollars per episode for the animation alone towards the end. Lucas apparently saw TCW as a bit of a pet project more than anything and was more than happy to lose a ton of money on it but Disney doesn't exactly share that willingness. They might be willing to hemorrhage some money to get some people on the Disney+ bandwagon and win some much needed goodwill with the more hardcore Star Wars fanbase but Disney is pretty much only here for the money.

We might see a few storylines released basically standalone (probably even using the lost missions banner) but I suspect this will be the last time Disney will be willing to do a full series of any kind.

I believe the Lost Missions were just finished episodes that Netflix got the streaming rights for. They might have financed a bit of touch up work but that's about it.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 05, 2020, 07:56:18 PM
Just finished watching the Clone Wars for the first time last night (thank you Disney+).  Holy Damn.  I had no idea it was so good.  So much attention to detail, so many interesting stories, and they actually got Liam Neeson back to voice Qui-Gon.  I do love me some Mr Neeson so I was ecstatic when he turned up completely unexpectedly.

I genuinely felt my heart breaking when Ahsoka was being framed for the bombing, poor girl just trying to prove her innocence when more and more "evidence" keeps piling up against her.  Then when she walked away from the Jedi order.  *sniff*  It was far more emotional than I expected it to be. 

Conveniently enough season seven is just over one month away, available on D+ from the 17/02/19.  I am most excited. 
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Post by: Stratos on January 06, 2020, 01:54:26 PM
Yeah, that is one of the most powerful arcs in the series. I'm re-watching the series in chronological order myself in anticipation for the new season. Then I'll move on to Rebels so I can close out that part of Ahsoka's story. I highly encourage people who enjoyed TCW to Rebels. Even just the highlights involving Ahsoka. It has a lot of good moments.
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Post by: ejamer on January 06, 2020, 03:17:23 PM
Finishing off the Clone Wars series was the #1 reason my kids wanted D+, as it had been pulled from Netflix before they could see the (so far) final season. They loved it, and I agree that it was a solid series.

Since then they've moved on to watch Rebels, and I watched a bunch with them. Gotta say, though... it just hasn't captured our interest in the same way. Still good and worth watching, even if a little bit less compelling for whatever reason.
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Post by: Stratos on January 07, 2020, 12:17:30 AM
Yeah, I blame Disney wanting to "DisneyXD" the show for the drop all around quality in Rebels, but it still has merit. It gives us more Hondo too which I will always appreciate (despite him not quite being his former self).
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 08, 2020, 03:13:30 AM
Started watching Rebels.

Not about ten episodes in and enjoying it quite a bit thus far. Ezra is quite annoying but he looks like he's starting to sort himself out.  Hopefully that continues.

I very much like the whole crew.  But MVP for me without a doubt is Chopper.  He is probably my favourite droid, equal to BD-1 from Fallen Order. Such sass and attitude is most enjoyable to watch.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 08, 2020, 04:26:57 AM
The problem I had with Rebels is that it felt too much like a cartoon.  The series just doesn't feel like it is grounded.  Which is frustrating, because some of the stories and characters are interesting and play with the Star Wars Lore in fun and interesting ways, however, stuff like helicopter light saber flying is so silly.  I mean just let them force jump or force fly, but the other is crazy stuff.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 10, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
Just a quick question from all the Star Wars fans on here.

Is this a good video for someone that is not into SW to get caught up so that they can enjoy the newest Star Wars movie for what it is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY0XbdxJpzA


I haven't watched it yet, but I think it came out either just before or after the previous SW movie.
If this movie is not the one.... then please provide a better one so that I may get an abbreviated summary of Star Wars up till as recent as possible.

Thanks
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Post by: oohhboy on January 11, 2020, 06:21:15 AM
I couldn't stand Rebels. Ezra bugged the ever living hell out of me and based on what I read he never changes. Then there is the obvious "Hidden" Jedi. Oh great the fucking Force. Hot Topic Mandolorian. Noped out around ep3.

Cartoon is one thing, but Rebels was childish. What grains of gold wasn't worth digging up. Cartoons can be intelligent, I rather enjoyed Clone Wars because it has some depth. Anakin and Dooku episodes were terrible though. Obi wan focused, clones focused, no Force episodes were the best.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 11, 2020, 09:01:50 AM
Rebels has a few really great episodes and lore, but it was so filled with such bad episodes that it wasn't worth the series...and some of the stuff people have said is the cool stuff is just not.  The new Star Wars Cartoon I couldn't even get through one episode it looked and felt that bad.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 11, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
I couldn't stand Rebels. Ezra bugged the ever living hell out of me and based on what I read he never changes. Then there is the obvious "Hidden" Jedi. Oh great the fucking Force. Hot Topic Mandolorian. Noped out around ep3.


He certainly does improve.  Ironically I found him to be by far the least interesting character and have no interest in seeing what happened after the show's conclusion.  But all the other members of the team more than make up for his initial irritating disposition.  I adore every single other character.

Now that I'm done with it I enjoyed it more than Clone Wars, and I loved Clone Wars far more than I expected to.  That's largely due to the setting I think.  I've always found the OT time period far more interesting than the PT/Clone Wars period.  I'd certainly be up for the rumoured new season that's coming.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on January 13, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
I think the PT/Clone Wars period made a mistake of having it too close together with the OT. 

The idea that Jedi's highest most respected period and their fall and galaxy that thinks they are a forgot relic of a religion is too short.  It really hurt the story.  The Prequel Series should have been about the clone war and the rise of the Empire, but it should not have been about the origin of Darth Vader.  Or at least if it was, they could have just let people live much longer lives in this universe and had it take place 100 to 150 years in the past. 

However, that said, I do like the world of the PT trilogy.  I like the idea of the Jedi being elite generals protecting the galaxy, and this dark force lurking in the shadows manipulating events and politics for the benefits.  The struggle of how to bring order to the world in a good way with peace and order, or the dark side of chaos, fear, control and order is an interesting world. 

George Lucas didn't do a great job of portraying it, however, it wasn't horrible. 
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Post by: Adrock on January 15, 2020, 11:44:57 AM
The idea that Jedi's highest most respected period and their fall and galaxy that thinks they are a forgot relic of a religion is too short.  It really hurt the story.
To me, the issue was making the Jedi Order so large and pervasive. If the Jedi Order was far smaller, more inclusive, more hermitic, it would be easier to explain why so many people haven’t seen or heard of Jedi and why those who have consider them a relic of the past.
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The Prequel Series should have been about the clone war and the rise of the Empire, but it should not have been about the origin of Darth Vader.  Or at least if it was, they could have just let people live much longer lives in this universe and had it take place 100 to 150 years in the past.
If people lived longer, would it really change how people remember things?

The Prequel Trilogy absolutely needed to be about the origin of Darth Vader because the fall of Anakin Skywalker directly correlated to the rise of the Empire and tracks well with why Darth Vader’s redemption is so important to the original trilogy.

The first thing I would change about the Prequel Trilogy is Anakin Skywalker should NOT have been the protagonist. It should have been told from Obi-Wan Kenobi’s perspective. The point of view of the protagonist changes the way a story is told. From Kenobi’s point of view, the Jedi are the ultimate good in the galaxy, can do no wrong, and the Sith are the ultimate evil. That would contrast the perspective of Luke, the protagonist of the next chronological trilogy: the Jedi are good yet fallible. Luke’s opinion of his masters is they’re wrong about his father (and he was proven right).

The two old Jedi Masters in the Original Trilogy (Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda) are dicks when you really think about it “Hey, murder your deadbeat dad who we lied to you about. We’re the good guys. LOL.” And that could have contrasted with where the Sequel Trilogy seemed to be headed before Rise of Skywalker: the Sith AND the Jedi were misguided and overall terrible for the galaxy, but the Jedi ultimately survive because of their willingness to adapt and change. The path forward was finding true balance in the Force.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 03, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
Mega-bump!

Unless something goes horribly wrong in the very last episode, the Clone Wars finale will go down as THE best Star Wars content we've ever gotten. It's so good.
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 04, 2020, 11:58:01 AM
So today's May the 4th but I have nothing Star Wars related to do because by coincidence my brother and I watched the original trilogy over the last three weekends.  Though he pointed something out about Return of the Jedi that doesn't make much sense.

What is the whole point of Leia being Luke's sister?  Like from a storytelling perspective what does this contribute to the movie particularly since at the time this was the final film in a trilogy and I don't think they were planning anything else?  Leia does nothing of significance related to that other than saying "I can feel it" at the end.  Vader mentioning his sister causes Luke to go bezerk in their lightsaber duel but it is really not needed in the movie at all.  Leia is the backup if Luke fails but Luke doesn't fail so it serves no purpose.  What it does accomplish is make Leia kissing Luke in Empire come across as creepy after the fact.  My guess is they threw that "there is another" thing in Empire with no real plans and then had to pay it off in Jedi despite it not contributing to the plot in any real way.

Hell it isn't really much of a mystery to Luke.  Yoda tells him there is another and then dies and then 10 seconds later Luke talks to Obi-Wan who reveals his sister.  As a kid when I would demand instant gratification at all times I didn't notice this but as an adult it's pretty lame.  Like Luke trying to figure out who Yoda was talking about could have had a chance to build up throughout the film for a dramatic pay off but they just reveal it instantly.  Contrast this with Luke's father who is referenced throughout two movies before the ultimate pay off.

I always loved Return of the Jedi as a kid because it had lots of exciting action scenes and it paid off all the plot threads but as an adult it's flaws are much more obvious.  It's still a good film and thus the whole original trilogy works but it has some issues and I say this as someone that has no problems with the Ewoks.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2020, 01:51:03 PM
Taika Waititi just LEVELED UP, again!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/dnsc3S9.png)
https://t.co/o3Exz8ndy9


From small indie director, to MCU and now Star Wars.
Interested to see how this turns out.

the woman mentioned (and pictured on the left) was the writer for the movie 1917

the woman on the right"
"In addition, Emmy®-nominated writer Leslye Headland (Russian Doll, Bachelorette) is currently developing a new untitled Star Wars series for Disney+. Headland will write, executive produce, and serve as showrunner for the series"
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Post by: ejamer on May 04, 2020, 04:23:15 PM
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What is the whole point of Leia being Luke's sister?  Like from a storytelling perspective what does this contribute to the movie particularly since at the time this was the final film in a trilogy and I don't think they were planning anything else?  Leia does nothing of significance related to that other than saying "I can feel it" at the end.  Vader mentioning his sister causes Luke to go bezerk in their lightsaber duel but it is really not needed in the movie at all.  Leia is the backup if Luke fails but Luke doesn't fail so it serves no purpose.  What it does accomplish is make Leia kissing Luke in Empire come across as creepy after the fact.  My guess is they threw that "there is another" thing in Empire with no real plans and then had to pay it off in Jedi despite it not contributing to the plot in any real way.

Hell it isn't really much of a mystery to Luke.  Yoda tells him there is another and then dies and then 10 seconds later Luke talks to Obi-Wan who reveals his sister.  As a kid when I would demand instant gratification at all times I didn't notice this but as an adult it's pretty lame.  Like Luke trying to figure out who Yoda was talking about could have had a chance to build up throughout the film for a dramatic pay off but they just reveal it instantly.  Contrast this with Luke's father who is referenced throughout two movies before the ultimate pay off.
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I don't really see the problem. 

In RotJ, the sibling "reveal" doesn't contribute much... but really it was a intended more as a plot device for TESB - altering some character relationships a little bit, giving an easy way to find and recover Luke on Cloud City, and building a sense of awe at how one family could become so entwined in opposing sides of interstellar politics. Having the whole Skywalker family created a sense of destiny to the original trilogy for me, and even though if Leia is the "least important" part of that having her be related to Luke didn't seem to create problems.

That said, I've never really felt like storytelling was the strong point for Star Wars. The early movies were fun, and consistent enough that any story flaws never got in the way of the adventure. But they were still family friendly sci-fi/action blockbuster movies first and foremost, not literary masterpieces.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 08, 2020, 05:04:16 PM
Some Mandalorian S2 news now:

*sigh*

They couldn't help themselves.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/mandalorian-finds-boba-fett-temuera-morrison-1293675

They just had to go and bring Fett into it. I'm really disappointed, not really surprised though. I just don't understand the love for this character. He was in the original movies for all of five minutes, did nothing at all interesting or awesome and ended up being defeated by a blind guy who accidentally bumped into him. Why is he so beloved? Why? If anything he would apparently be the kind of person who'd be bumped off at the hands of Jar Jar Binks.

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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 09, 2020, 12:05:46 AM
Boba Felt looked cool.  Had a cool job, and he also fought the first Jedi we ever fell in love with, and captured Han Solo.  Yes, he didn't do much, but he was cool...and that is all that matters.  The problem is, rarely do characters ever live up to our own built up hype for them.
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Post by: Stratos on May 11, 2020, 05:34:26 PM
Hopefully it is just a cameo if it is the real one. I just want them to acknowledge that he survived the Sarlac like in legends.

There are some people theorizing that it is actually a red herring and not the real Boba Fett. But that could be even more insulting to some folks. I'll just have faith that Favreou and Filoni know what they are doing.
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Post by: pokepal148 on May 11, 2020, 06:51:08 PM
A part of me kind of wants to see him somehow fall back into the sarlaac pit at the end of every episode he's in.
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Post by: Kairon on May 12, 2020, 12:57:54 PM
The Sarlaac is just such an interesting character in the Legends short story where Boba Fett escapes. If anything, I want Boba Fett's conversations with the the Sarlaac, a millennia-old sentience, made canon...
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Post by: nickmitch on May 12, 2020, 05:16:26 PM
The other mandalorians were hiding in a cave and probably went and found another cave to hide in.  I suspect that our protag might have some questions for Boba Fett since he'd be the one other living on the outside.
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Post by: oohhboy on May 17, 2020, 05:28:21 PM
Boba Fett wouldn't have so many problems if he could find someone to cook him some eggs.

Bad feelings about season 2 now that the executives have their eyes on it.