Topic: REAL TALK: The amount of negativity here has gotten absurd.

[pokepal148]

A little over a month or so before i became an active poster another forum member named maxi announced he was leaving the site.

My reasons for leaving are many and mainly have to do with the forums. There is also a few other members who have left from here and I share the same issues and concerns.So lets get to the first.

Bullying is a major one and at times I have seen people on the forums go and rail on a person just because they were posting a certain way here. Tendoboy's posts are a good example of people who did this. I personally think he was just trying to bring up conversation on the forum with his posts. Also there were people who were bullied at times in the past who became the bullies to fit in with the in crowd so they themselves would not get bullied. It can become an endless cycle.

now this sounds quite familiar to me... in fact come to think of it Maxi here has successfully described what i have gone through as a poster. people calling me a horrible poster (granted my oblivious routine among other things haven't helped on that regard), me eventually beginning to find a niche as everyone starts ragging on Tj (during his temp ban i was the only one willing to stand up for him,) and then eventually I wind up from a certain perspective, playing a major role in the events that led to his permaban.

but it isn't just how we treat eachother. the way we talk about nintendo is becoming nothing but constant negativity.

This goes with the condescending as well. This isn't a good place to be a fan of Nintendo anymore. You have to temper your posts with qualifiers. In other words you can not be a overly positive Nintendo fan you have to put in some small negative that Nintendo has done and this also goes for Sony and Microsoft. You are singled out and put in SUPERs Fanboy euthanization station topic.

and in 2009 nine the issue was raised again.

The topics with the most posts and discussion come from those that aren't even really game-specific, be it arguments about sales, "casual games", third party support, or any other drama-charged groanfest.  And all these topics do is destroy bonds between posters that should instead be tightening through enjoyable discussion.  From someone who wants nothing more than to see everyone enjoying positive discussion about upcoming games, it's really depressing to see how the site has crumbled, and it's clear to see why Mario (and others before him) gave up the ghost.  Why bother putting effort into a post when it's bound to be derailed by a third party support monologue?  Why bother putting effort into a post when no one even cares anymore? 

Am I being too harsh?  Yeaaaano.  I'm not.  It shouldn't be too much to expect a Nintendo-oriented site to be slightly Nintendo-biased.  But no, I'm only seeing the opposite these days.  So I'm sick of it.  It's not fun anymore.  Talking about games here is no longer fun.

we have to find some sort of balance here. S-U-P-E-R may argue that getting rid of bad posters will help the situation but it won't. The NWR forums are simply not an inviting place for newcomers. I blame it on this constant negative atmosphere going on here.

I kinda joked in one of the topics here that I hoped that this place doesn't become a hive mind but in a way it has. It has become a place for negativity more then anything little by little until there is hardly any positivity left on the forums.People will be tired of it and then leave like I am and then it will be more pessimistic then anything else....

And this is what the forums have become... This isn't the happy go lucky place that it once was, i don't want us to go like some sites that will crucify you upside down for saying the word sony but we have gone too far in the opposite direction.

[NWR_insanolord]

1. You were a horrible poster. Maybe it was a bit harsh to just openly say that, but it was true.

2. You shouldn't have defended TJ Spyke. He got way more chances than he deserved. We were hard on him because he continued to be obnoxious.

As for your overall point, yes, the forums are more negative than they have been in the past, for a variety of reasons. I'm not sure what anyone can really do about that.

I will point out that your post shows that this seems to be a constant bone of contention around here, as Bill was complaining about it way back in 2009. If this place was ever "happy-go-lucky," as you put it, it must have been over 5 years ago. Or, more realistically, it's a cyclical thing, and some people are more sensitive to it than others.

[azeke]

The amount of forum drama here has gotten absurd.

[pokepal148]

1. You were a horrible poster. Maybe it was a bit harsh to just openly say that, but it was true.

I recognize that, but i think that a bit of constructive criticism would have gone a long way.  at one point when someone complained i asked via pm what i could do to improve and got this as a response

I don't care if you improve, mate. You're a horrible poster and you'll probably
always be horrible, but the world is full of horrible people. Not much I can do about it.

I think we could use some improvement there.

2. You shouldn't have defended TJ Spyke. He got way more chances than he deserved. We were hard on him because he continued to be obnoxious.

i agree to that as well but during the temp ban people seemed very eager to bash him when he wasn't able to defend himself and i felt that it was wrong... of course im still not fully aware of everything hes done so :/

As for your overall point, yes, the forums are more negative than they have been in the past, for a variety of reasons. I'm not sure what anyone can really do about that.

here i thought as community manager that was your job.

I will point out that your post shows that this seems to be a constant bone of contention around here, as Bill was complaining about it way back in 2009. If this place was ever "happy-go-lucky," as you put it, it must have been over 5 years ago. Or, more realistically, it's a cyclical thing, and some people are more sensitive to it than others.

who knows, i suspect alot of this began with the whole casual/hardcore divide on wii but the situation can improve.

[NWR_insanolord]

I don't think forcing people to think and post a certain way is part of my job as Community Manager. There's a line you can cross where it becomes my jurisdiction, but that line is a lot farther away from the average post around here than Bill or Maxi wanted it to be. I don't blame them for leaving; this forum wasn't what they wanted it to be, and I hope they found one that was more to their liking.

[Wah]

Yes but isanolord has cracked down on the bullying. And hey your one to talk you've given me a bad time when i first joined, but i will admit we've become friends/mates from it, maybe it's just what we do to new recruits!?

[UncleBob]

I will point out that your post shows that this seems to be a constant bone of contention around here, as Bill was complaining about it way back in 2009. If this place was ever "happy-go-lucky," as you put it, it must have been over 5 years ago. Or, more realistically, it's a cyclical thing, and some people are more sensitive to it than others.

As probably one of the top 10 oldest "still visits the forum every day" members, let me say, anyone who thinks these forums were *ever* happy-go-lucky are simply living in a dream world.



This place has NEVER been the happy world of Nintendo Fanboys who worship everything Nintendo does.  Ever.

I have always thought of these forums more like:

Hey, they said "Happy-Go-Lucky"!  Haw-haw.

Look, no forum is perfect.  Go on NeoGAF and mention GoNintendo.  Go on CheapAssGamer and mention NeoGAF.  Go anywhere and mention GameFAQs.  You'll get all kinds of opinions.

I've said this before and I'll say it again - you'll get out of these forums what you put into them.

Funny thing is, there's a forum made up of a handful of people who left this one because it was too negative.  Yet, most of their current/active posts are about how all the other gaming sites, the gaming press and other gaming forums suck.  I'm happy that they created a place for themselves where they can be happy with one another by being negative about everyone else - but I'm more interested in a forum where we have diverse opinions that I don't always agree with.  If I wanted to sit around and hear stuff I agree with all the time, I'd just talk into a tape recorder and play that back.  I want people to tell me I'm crazy for buying 150+ Skylanders.  And I want to tell people they're crazy for not even giving the game a chance.

[NWR_insanolord]

Do you seriously have over 150 Skylanders?

[UncleBob]

Yes.  I'm a sick, sick man, I know.

[Oblivion]

I gave Skylanders a chance. And I still didn't understand the appeal.

[Ceric]

Skylanders is a lot like Mario Kart: Double Dash for me.  A game I can enjoy but more importantly my family enjoys.

Why I do miss Bill, Vudu, Maxi, Golden Phoenix, Pro, most of the people I've played Mafia with.  They made things interesting.  The community though in the most part is open to competing idea though on some things as of the last year not so much, ex. Big Bang Theory.  We are getting older and its just been hard as a Nintendo focus fan to see the light at the end of the tunnel now.  Then added that all of our daily lives have been effected by the crisis in the negative direction its now hard to see how we could get into a negative tilt.

We should chipper up.  We all know that but, its either to say then to do.

[Khushrenada]

Funny thing is, there's a forum made up of a handful of people who left this one because it was too negative.  Yet, most of their current/active posts are about how all the other gaming sites, the gaming press and other gaming forums suck.

What is this place?

Also, is there really that much forum drama or are people hyping it? I know the console section is nothing but doom and gloom but let's face it, there's not many positives to talk about there right now anyways. And yeah, a lot of people complained about TJ but aside from that, is it really that bad?

Can't say I've really noticed any othe major negative thing of late.

However, it is true that you get what you put in. I decided to just have fun and post anything whether on topic or whether I thought it would get a good laugh. And in the past couple months, I've taken my applaud from a stagnant 83 to a 123 and my minus has only gone up by two or three. That tells me that I'm on the right track and my contributions have some fans. Hey look! Karma does have a use!

[Ceric]

...
Hey look! Karma does have a use!

Vicious lies propagated by the Man and if Mafia has taught me anything is that Khush is the Man.

[Pixelated Pixies]

I like video games!

[Khushrenada]

You know what they say. You can't keep a good man down.

[UncleBob]

You know, I've butted heads with a few members here and there... but it might surprise you to know, I don't really view any of them in a negative light.  Even TJ - although he said foul and disgusting things about someone that's pretty cool - If I met pretty much any of you on the street, I'd shake your hand and buy you a soda.  Hell, if I have another FaceBall event, y'all are invited.

[lolmonade]

I think the initial negativity is somewhat of a good thing.  When I first joined, I occasionally felt harshly confronted by posters, but I think you get more respect (or the closest thing to it) and it makes the forums more enjoyable if you can give as well as you take.

[LucarioGirl69]

I did not not think this website was that bad!
Maybe this website needs a woman's touch!

[Wah]

Um, your touch would be bad!

[LucarioGirl69]

Don't you mean your aura?

[Wah]

LoL!

[Oblivion]

You know, I've butted heads with a few members here and there... but it might surprise you to know, I don't really view any of them in a negative light.  Even TJ - although he said foul and disgusting things about someone that's pretty cool - If I met pretty much any of you on the street, I'd shake your hand and buy you a soda.  Hell, if I have another FaceBall event, y'all are invited.

I love you too. <3

[Ceric]

You know, I've butted heads with a few members here and there... but it might surprise you to know, I don't really view any of them in a negative light.  Even TJ - although he said foul and disgusting things about someone that's pretty cool - If I met pretty much any of you on the street, I'd shake your hand and buy you a soda.  Hell, if I have another FaceBall event, y'all are invited.

I hope it doesn't snow this time.

[Wah]

I hope i don't get bashed this time

[Fatty The Hutt]

**** all y'all. I don't discriminate. I hate each and every one of you with an equal burning passion. You are all miserable, mewling little pukes.


Now that that is out of the way, who wants my Animal Crossing Balloon Furniture? I have a sofa, table, chair and lamp. I'm tired of them and would happy to give them away because I like making people happy. If you have something to trade, that'd be nice too.

[Phil]

There should be no surprise as there's more negativity when Nintendo does not do as well in the marketplace or their current platform(s) flounder(s). I used to be real bad as a poster. Not here, but other places. I know now that a lot of it was because I was bipolar and unmedicated, but some of it was pure immaturity.


I'd like to think I've grown out being a dick online, but sometimes it's hard to realize that people are being mean to you because they have anonymity or just want to hurt your feelings. Sometimes you take that stuff to heart. When I left the NWR staff, I was not in a good frame of mind, but now I'm much better.


Anyway, all I know is that I love Nintendo. They're my favorite publisher, but they do a lot of things wrong. I will state when they are doing something I don't agree with or something that is stupid to me. However, I don't want to voice my perceived negativity in a way that is condescending to other posters. I think that's a problem: how you word your argument. You can be passionate, but don't resort to talking down to the person you're communicating with. I'm not always the best at this, and it's easier said than done.


I'm just rambling, so sorry if none of the aforementioned posting makes sense.

[lolmonade]

**** all y'all. I don't discriminate. I hate each and every one of you with an equal burning passion. You are all miserable, mewling little pukes.


Now that that is out of the way, who wants my Animal Crossing Balloon Furniture? I have a sofa, table, chair and lamp. I'm tired of them and would happy to give them away because I like making people happy. If you have something to trade, that'd be nice too.

Nobody wants balloon furniture.  That stuff is the worst.  God, you're such a terrible poster.

[Khushrenada]

Hey now! This is REAL TALK. We try to make this a welcoming environment with no jokes allowed so I think you should just get the hell out of here.

[Fatty The Hutt]

**** all y'all. I don't discriminate. I hate each and every one of you with an equal burning passion. You are all miserable, mewling little pukes.


Now that that is out of the way, who wants my Animal Crossing Balloon Furniture? I have a sofa, table, chair and lamp. I'm tired of them and would happy to give them away because I like making people happy. If you have something to trade, that'd be nice too.

Nobody wants balloon furniture.  That stuff is the worst.  God, you're such a terrible poster.

I agree. God is a terrible poster. He barely comes in here anymore, the douche-bag.

[lolmonade]

Hey now! This is REAL TALK. We try to make this a welcoming environment with no jokes allowed so I think you should just get the hell out of here.

[Wah]

Time to get my masterplan underway.........

[UncleBob]

I was searching for something else when I came across a post from awhile back.

In particular, I loved a reply from BlackNMild.  I think it sums up a lot about the forum.

This is a place for die hards and fairweather fans alike. There are also plenty of people that just aren't happy unless they are complaining about something, and each and everyone of them are more than welcome to come here and converse about all things Nintendo and whatever other topics may come up too (within forum guidelines).

We may not all agree and we may not all like each other from time to time, but that doesn't mean we can't all share our opinions in a civilized manner in a centralized place.

The last thing we want is to become an echo chamber of fanboys with hive mentality that will chase off differing opinions just because they don't fall in with the pre-established line of thought.

We are a community of different people with different likes and dis-likes.  As long as you keep it respectful and within guidelines, you should be able to discuss whatever topic is at hand. And just because some people critique far more often than they praise, doesn't mean they didn't have a few good points somewhere in there. We not all here just to pile praise ontop of more praise and blindly ignore any faults. We are here to have discussions, and that is kinda hard to do without opposing opinions.

[Pixelated Pixies]

I agree. God is a terrible poster. He barely comes in here anymore, the douche-bag.

I know! right? Did you catch his Deuteronomy post? Complete nonsense!

[NWR_Neal]

Yes.  I'm a sick, sick man, I know.

*brofist*

I've got like 60+ Skylanders....

[UncleBob]

You only have 60 and you dare try to "brofist" me?  You're not even worthy!

[Wah]

And you have no aura to be worthy!

[Ceric]

Can we count my wife Digital collection as well.  She has all but 1 variant digital. (Easter Pop Fizz)

[UncleBob]

No.  Just because I don't have an iOS device, so those digital variants are off limits to me.

[lolmonade]

I was going to count my Skylanders collection, but I'd rather not revisit how much I have blown on those games until Swap Force comes out.

[UncleBob]

Mine are in a spreadsheet...

[Ceric]

I've got everyone but a couple in the new series minus a good amount of variants but, I do have every one of the Babies.

[UncleBob]

I have every standard release figure, including the various retailer variants.  Out of the super-rare exclusives and chase figures, I only have the Toy Fair Cynder and S1 Flocked Stump Smash.

I've got everything released so far - the only things I need to finish my Giants collection (short of any other weird announcements) is LightCore Hex (which will come with my pre-order), Pumpkin Eye Brawl (who should be out next weekish) and a boxed Jet-Vac (which Dasmos is getting me from AU).

Just got a boxed Punch Pop Fizz from GAME in the UK.  Waiting on the last two Sidekicks from my second set to arrive.

*Not* looking forward to what I end up spending next month.

[pokepal148]

I am going to let this be my last post as I need to once again leave this place before I bring up too many of my old bad habits.

For those who were in the dark, I was animecyberrat, oh and segagamer12 in case you didn't knnow that also. I am now of the mind that this place is never going to be welcoming for me.

So long and good riddance I say. Whichever mod has the power to ban please do me the honors of making sure I never return to this cesspool.....

Can we get back on topic here... this is a serious issue.

Variety of opinions, fine by me... but we really need to work on welcoming new posters...

[Oblivion]

But he isn't a new poster. Look up his two alts. He's been here since 2005.

[pokepal148]

but most of us didn't know about them

[Ceric]

*shrug*  I know the problem I have is I don't really discriminate between a new and old poster.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I was searching for something else when I came across a post from awhile back.

In particular, I loved a reply from BlackNMild.  I think it sums up a lot about the forum.

This is a place for die hards and fairweather fans alike. There are also plenty of people that just aren't happy unless they are complaining about something, and each and everyone of them are more than welcome to come here and converse about all things Nintendo and whatever other topics may come up too (within forum guidelines).

We may not all agree and we may not all like each other from time to time, but that doesn't mean we can't all share our opinions in a civilized manner in a centralized place.

The last thing we want is to become an echo chamber of fanboys with hive mentality that will chase off differing opinions just because they don't fall in with the pre-established line of thought.

We are a community of different people with different likes and dis-likes.  As long as you keep it respectful and within guidelines, you should be able to discuss whatever topic is at hand. And just because some people critique far more often than they praise, doesn't mean they didn't have a few good points somewhere in there. We not all here just to pile praise ontop of more praise and blindly ignore any faults. We are here to have discussions, and that is kinda hard to do without opposing opinions.

Wow. I guess I have my moments.
and after reading it, I do remember typing that out, but that was only 2 years ago.

can I applaud myself? I feel that was a well put post and wish to applaud my past self for having a moment of articulated clarity.

[Ceric]

I was searching for something else when I came across a post from awhile back.

In particular, I loved a reply from BlackNMild.  I think it sums up a lot about the forum.

This is a place for die hards and fairweather fans alike. There are also plenty of people that just aren't happy unless they are complaining about something, and each and everyone of them are more than welcome to come here and converse about all things Nintendo and whatever other topics may come up too (within forum guidelines).

We may not all agree and we may not all like each other from time to time, but that doesn't mean we can't all share our opinions in a civilized manner in a centralized place.

The last thing we want is to become an echo chamber of fanboys with hive mentality that will chase off differing opinions just because they don't fall in with the pre-established line of thought.

We are a community of different people with different likes and dis-likes.  As long as you keep it respectful and within guidelines, you should be able to discuss whatever topic is at hand. And just because some people critique far more often than they praise, doesn't mean they didn't have a few good points somewhere in there. We not all here just to pile praise ontop of more praise and blindly ignore any faults. We are here to have discussions, and that is kinda hard to do without opposing opinions.

Wow. I guess I have my moments.
and after reading it, I do remember typing that out, but that was only 2 years ago.

can I applaud myself? I feel that was a well put post and wish to applaud my past self for having a moment of articulated clarity.

There ya go.

[Wah]

speaking of negativity, Unclebob has been picking on me for a while!

[UncleBob]

Where, exactly, have I picked on you?

[Wah]

oh i don't know.... MAYBE ALL THE BLOODING WARNINGS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVING ME!

[UncleBob]

Again, I've given you three.  Once, for using a very inappropriate word.  A second for doing it *again*, the day after I told you not to do it and the third for a derogatory political post (and for anyone who thinks I'm playing favorites, it's some Australian politician I've never heard of).

Which one of those warnings do you think you don't deserve?

[Wah]

the second as it was posted before you gave the warning to me!

[UncleBob]

The second warning was given for the following post:
Re: Rate the last TV show you've seen
« on: July 25, 2013, 09:12:49 PM »

The first warning was issued on July 24, 2013 at 10:54:44 PM

Your profile says you're from Australia.  Does time work differently down there?

[Khushrenada]

Uh yeah. Everythings backwards. Their water swirls in the opposite direction. When we have summer, they have winter. When we have winter they have summer. Therefore, time would run backwards for them as well.

[Phil]

That "Think's" in your profile comment. Is that intentionally incorrect or do you think's an apostrophe goes in a verb's present tense? :


Anyway, your post was funny!

[Wah]

toilet water going backwards!? WTF!! but yes timezones are different!

[UncleBob]

The time of the post would be relative to the time of the warning.

[Wah]

all right then i submit defeat! end of story bye-bye!

[Khushrenada]

That "Think's" in your profile comment. Is that intentionally incorrect or do you think's an apostrophe goes in a verb's present tense? :


Anyway, your post was funny!

You know, I only noticed that about two weeks ago when I was considering getting my title wiped. I think it was unintentional but since I'm not the one who wrote up the title, I don't know for sure. You'd have to ask the one responsible whether it was a mistake or not. I just consider it another example of victory over the mods in that they are unable to write English correctly and I have the proof. Ha ha.

Thanks for the compliment though. It falls in line with what I said in my first post in this thread. I'm just trying to keep my posts light and fun and hope it will rub off or at least counter some of the negativity people see on the forums.

By the way, you mentioned being staff before but, I'm sorry to say, I can't recall when. What did you use to do, if you don't mind me asking?

[Fatty The Hutt]

toilet water going backwards!? WTF!!

Simpsons reference.

[MegaByte]

That urban legend is way way older than the Simpsons.