FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, wheres the wifi Mario Tennis game I asked for?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: Urkel on March 23, 2010, 04:58:40 AM
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In addition to citing a need to investigate the health impact of playing 3D games for hours on end, Iwata looked at the issue from another, more practical point of view. He quipped, "I have doubts whether people will be wearing glasses to play games at home. How is that going to look to other people?"
Iwata: (Foreshadows)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2010, 05:34:09 AM
Seriously? Is that what announcements usually look like? A bit of text?
As for the actual 3D I only care if it's headtracking but that can already be done with the DSi.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2010, 06:01:29 AM
In addition to citing a need to investigate the health impact of playing 3D games for hours on end, Iwata looked at the issue from another, more practical point of view. He quipped, "I have doubts whether people will be wearing glasses to play games at home. How is that going to look to other people?"
Iwata: (Foreshadows)
Iwata: "I will need a bigger swimming vault..."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: SixthAngel on March 23, 2010, 08:14:09 AM
I am shocked! If they do the 3d right this is going to be awesome.
Seriously? Is that what announcements usually look like? A bit of text?
Looks to me like somebody screwed up and put an official document online. This is not a typical Nintendo announcement.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: Tanatoes on March 23, 2010, 08:14:42 AM
Called it! When 3M was demoing the lenticular films for portable displays last year at CES I knew Apple, Nintndo and Sony would have 3-D systems in the pipeline pretty soon. I am so looking forward to playing with this. Wonder if they'll have a demo at PAX East?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: Pale on March 23, 2010, 08:33:36 AM
Man, if this **** is one of those screen films that fake the 3D (think like those 3D trading cards you get in cereal boxes) I will be PISSED.
Headache machine and stuff. Ugh.
If it's a head tracking type solution, that's pretty sweet though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 23, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
I think this is great. It is Nintendo boldly stepping up to a new technology that isn't quite proven for games, and showing the industry how to use it.
Also, I do not see this as the death of 2D gaming, but a new bold beginning for it. I actually see 2D games benefiting greatly from 3D technology...perhaps even more so than 3D games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2010, 11:12:00 AM
- New portable hardware - To be announced at E3 - Uses 3D w/o need for glasses - Backwards compatible with DS, DSi - Release BEFORE March 2011
English press release: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/100323e.pdf (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/100323e.pdf)
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March 23, 2010
To Whom It May Concern: Re: Launch of New Portable Game Machine
Nintendo Co., Ltd. (Minami-ward of Kyoto-city, President Satoru Iwata) will launch "Nintendo 3DS"(temp) during the fiscal year ending March 2011, on which games can be enjoyed with 3D effects without the need for any special glasses.
"Nintendo 3DS"(temp) is going to be the new portable game machine to succeed "Nintendo DS series", whose cumulative consolidated sales from Nintendo amounted to 125million units as of the end of December 2009, and will include backward compatibility so that the software for Nintendo DS series, including the ones for Nintendo DSi, can also be enjoyed.
We are planning to announce additional details at E3 show, which is scheduled to be held from June 15, 2010 at Los Angeles in the U.S.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: NWR_Neal on March 23, 2010, 11:13:44 AM
I hope we can turn off the 3D if we want. Some people might not be able to see it. I know I don't feel too good watching 3D movies after a few hours.
Considering that it plays ds games this is a gimme.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2010, 12:09:36 PM
3 SCREENS
2 STYLUSES
1 NO-HANDS PORTABLE MIND-**** EXPERIENCE
*Also confirmed: it prints money.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: Kytim89 on March 23, 2010, 12:34:18 PM
Basically this new handheld is the virtual boy 2? When Nintendo metions how the device is compatible with DS line, will this mean that it will have a GBS slot? Probably not, this device will most likely feature a virtual handheld service that will probably include virtual boy games on its service.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 23, 2010, 12:35:47 PM
It's a DS you wear on your face. Sony hasn't figured out how to make portables PORTABLE and hands-free. Nintendo is the real innovator here.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2010, 12:38:27 PM
Nintendo to Sony, the PS3 and the 3DTV Industry: "Check!"
I'm eager to see the tech behind this and then I wonder how the TV industry will react when they realize that no one wants $150 glasses for every person that wants to watch 3D movie at home. Yet Nintendo managed to release a handheld with 2 screen capable of 3D for close to the price of a single pair of glasses.
Nintendo to Apple, the iPhone and the PSP: "Check!"
I'd like to see how the PSP attempts to follow this. There has to be a reason that Nintendo didn't save this till E3 and that must be because they knew that PSP2 was gonna be revealed with a touchscreen and wanted to make Sony scramble to add something stupid so they don't look like they are playing follow the leader again while still being a few steps behind. I also wonder what Apple is gonna do with the iPhone 4G/s now that Nintendo has decided to step up their game.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: ShyGuy on March 23, 2010, 01:28:10 PM
People say the iPhone was going to kill Nintendo in the portable space and what does Nintendo do? It changes the game! Exclusive experience you can only get on a 3DS.
Now they just have to come up with the killer 3D app like Nintendogs or Brain Age were. Any guesses?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Louieturkey on March 23, 2010, 01:39:07 PM
3D Peek-a-Boo
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: vudu on March 23, 2010, 02:16:53 PM
People say the iPhone was going to kill Nintendo in the portable space and what does Nintendo do? It changes the game! Exclusive experience you can only get on a 3DS.
Or not. (http://kotaku.com/5499823/nintendo-3ds-could-borrow-3d-trick-from-iphone)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Crimm on March 23, 2010, 02:32:55 PM
This was not a mistake. It has quotes and things. The best I can guess is that this was a controlled information release to preempt leaks, to build hype into E3, to steal some Move thunder (which will be shown publicly in three days), and to perhaps to gratify investment firms.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: vudu on March 23, 2010, 02:48:23 PM
Report: Nintendo 3DS Also Has "3D Joystick," Force Feedback & More (http://kotaku.com/5500166/report-nintendo-3ds-also-has-3d-joystick-force-feedback--more)
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Fortunately, that report is from the typically reliable Nikkei, who writes that Nintendo "plans to give the new system a 3-D joystick and a force feedback mechanism that will let players feel the collisions of a game character."
Oh dear.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2010, 02:49:58 PM
Report: Nintendo 3DS Also Has "3D Joystick," Force Feedback & More (http://kotaku.com/5500166/report-nintendo-3ds-also-has-3d-joystick-force-feedback--more)
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Fortunately, that report is from the typically reliable Nikkei, who writes that Nintendo "plans to give the new system a 3-D joystick and a force feedback mechanism that will let players feel the collisions of a game character."
Oh dear.
i just posted that in the talkback thread ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 23, 2010, 03:00:01 PM
anything about better wifi mentioned?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: vudu on March 23, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
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The Nikkei also feels comfortable enough reporting that the 3DS will feature improved wireless communication speed and battery life, but that its dual screens will be slightly smaller than that of the Nintendo DSi XL
Same article as above
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: ShyGuy on March 23, 2010, 03:59:19 PM
I hope their 3d joystick is better than the PSP nub. That thing sucks.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Plugabugz on March 23, 2010, 05:40:18 PM
I bet this is what they were pumping all that R&D money into.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Adrock on March 23, 2010, 06:11:45 PM
If Nintendo willingly announced this and this early, I can only imagine what other surprises they have in store.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2010, 06:19:07 PM
They are selling tickets for the E3 HYPE Train. Gotta get your tickets early if you want a seat.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: SixthAngel on March 24, 2010, 01:51:32 AM
They are selling tickets for the E3 HYPE Train. Gotta get your tickets early if you want a seat.
Seems to me. Natal and Moves reveal are playing second fiddle now.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Mannypon on March 24, 2010, 03:43:04 AM
Hey everyone, I haven't been on for a while but this news coming straight out of left field has got me out of hiding lol. I think this "leak" is a very slick move on Nintendo's part. I believe now it puts Sony, in particular, in a very difficult position.
I'm sure Sony has been planning a PSP2 for some time now and this announcement is sure to poo poo over anything they could come out with. Lets say if Sony's plan for a PSP2 was just to up the graphics and features and slapin a touch screen to copy the DS's approach. Nintendo will already be ahead of them by having a touchscreen AND a 3d display, without glasses to boot. It'll make the PSP2 look like old news before it's even released. On the other hand, lets say that Sony is also planning a 3d display for PSP2, by the time they announce it, it'll seem as if they just copied Nintendo's approach. Also, we have to take in consideration that if Sony was not planning to have 3d in mind for the PSP2, they sure are now and more than likely they will implement it very hastly as to not fall to far behind Nintendo's release.
As for a launch lineup, I can really see the 5th gen Pokemon being one of them which would be HUGE imo, especially if they really evolve and streamline the franchise. It has already been announced that its in developement and in light of this announcement, I highly doubt it'll be released on the DSi. If its in developement, it has to be for the 3DS.
I would also love a new (and I do mean new, not rehash) Animal Crossing. There is so much they could do with that franchise that it kills me to see it in the form it is now. My dream has always been for Nintendo to incorporate the gameplay from their "Mario sports" lineup into Animal Crossing. That'll give everyone sports to play online with other when they are tired of the usual Animal Crossing gameplay. Make each town have its own bowling alley, tennis and soccor court, and a golf course unique to each town. This'll encourage people to visit other towns to play in thier unique golf courses. Scheduled tournaments could also be held. This is all neither here nor there though and better suited in another thread so I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on March 24, 2010, 04:48:47 AM
I would also love a new (and I do mean new, not rehash) Animal Crossing. There is so much they could do with that franchise that it kills me to see it in the form it is now. My dream has always been for Nintendo to incorporate the gameplay from their "Mario sports" lineup into Animal Crossing. That'll give everyone sports to play online with other when they are tired of the usual Animal Crossing gameplay. Make each town have its own bowling alley, tennis and soccor court, and a golf course unique to each town. This'll encourage people to visit other towns to play in thier unique golf courses. Scheduled tournaments could also be held. This is all neither here nor there though and better suited in another thread so I'll leave it at that.
That's a fantastic idea.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 24, 2010, 10:10:18 AM
I think this is new Nintendo not old Nintendo.
What I mean is Nintendo is learning lessons fast in this market, and I believe Nintendo announced this so early, because Nintendo is gearing developers ready for launch in a year. After E3 I see development kits being delivered fast and furious. Nintendo wants this system to be launched with great support from 1st party and 3rd party.
I predict launch games will be New Super Mario Bros. 2 (based on Super Mario 3) Pokemon Generation 5 will be released in March with special features for Nintendo 3DS. And Star Fox for the Nintendo 3DS as being launch games.
As for reasons to announce it now. Yeah, it gets people excited and buzzing about Nintendo...and whatever Sony has up its sleeve (PSP2 is a given) the excitement is clearly in Nintendo's court. However that means Nintendo can't let the media down. E3 has to rock.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 24, 2010, 10:23:55 AM
I think nintendo loves to eff with sony or something.
it's like "okay, time to shut up about Move already" annoucement.
I think the new pokemon title is going to be a launch title because they need killer app software and what sales more than Pokemon on handhelds?
Another give away? Wario Ware. Nintendo has a habit of release a new wario ware game pretty close to launch of a new consoles Smooth Moves for wii, Touched! for DS and Snapped! all being either launch titles or really close to launch. Wario Ware, I think, is basically like "here's some fun examples of what the hardware can do".
And finally some cool apps/3DSiware games to show off some functionality too.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on March 24, 2010, 10:56:46 AM
I almost wish I bought a new DS Lite instead of a DSi...almost. I love most of the d/l games I've gotten so far.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 11:21:29 AM
What I mean is Nintendo is learning lessons fast in this market, and I believe Nintendo announced this so early, because Nintendo is gearing developers ready for launch in a year. After E3 I see development kits being delivered fast and furious. Nintendo wants this system to be launched with great support from 1st party and 3rd party.
Supposedly there are already lots of dev kits out and some devs said their games will be ready by the end of the year.
The way I see it, there are several reasons why Nintendo let the cat out of the bag early.
1. Nintendo's Fiscal Year 2010 ends in a week. Gotta get that stock up with a big announcement going into the new Fiscal Year.
2. This is the same way they revealed the DS, a document slipped out into the wild via the internet. It worked wonders for hype and mind share last time, so why not try it again. Why do they do this you ask?
3. Because they want to get the biggest shock out of the way early, let the internet speculate and come to terms with their biggest change so that by the time E3 comes around, we can all focus on the many other things that they have added w/o the 3D WOW factor overshadowing everything. Things like the multi-touch screen, the force feedback pen with pressure sensitive tip, accelerometers/gyros and the fact that PkmnG5 is a launch title.
4. Nintendo knows that Sony was planning to reveal the PSP2 since Sony is really bad at keeping secrets(not as bad as MS, but still bad). Revealing 3D w/o glasses just after Sony revealed 3D coming to PS3 with glasses is like punching Sony in the eye and shoving them in the snow.* Now Sony has 2 months to slap some ill-thought out response to the 3DS by hastily adding 3D to the PSP2 and look like a copy cat again, shove some other feature into the PSP2 that will be so last minute that it will be either really expensive and/or stupid or just completely mute Sony's own excitement for the reveal of their own product since all they added was more graphics and a touch screen.
*. Sony and every other TV manufacturer can't really follow up this tech yet and it makes them all look bad for pushing 3D to really expensive new TV's with expensive glasses that need to be charged and cross brand compatibility issues. Nintendo looks like some sort of wizard in the eyes of the consumer for doing exactly what all these BIG electronic makers have been trying to push, only much much much cheaper and without the glasses. They don't need to know the technical merits of why it's possible, they just know that Nintendo did it first and better(w/o glasses).
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on March 24, 2010, 11:43:06 AM
I so hope this is good 3d and not some crappy knockoff.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Louieturkey on March 24, 2010, 12:06:16 PM
accelerometers/gyros and the fact that PkmnG5 is a launch title.
This is likely. Nintendo should have a great relationship with their provider by now and can get these parts cheaply.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 24, 2010, 04:56:26 PM
I want Nintendo to give us some word on if/how our DSiware stuff will be able to transfer to the 3DS before anything else, aside from tech specs. I've invested in some really nice bit-sized games from the store.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 05:28:14 PM
I very much doubt the pen will be anything more than an inert chunk of plastic as with the first DS.
I only mentioned it since Nintendo patented a force feedback stylus and a pressure sensitive tip is the alternative to the pressure sensitive screen that the DS already has.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Rize on March 24, 2010, 05:42:16 PM
I know the DS screen is technically pressure sensitive (although the range is so fine it's hard to use effectively). Do any games use it (except to filter it light taps that might not have been intentional). If not, why would they bother adding it to the pen? I could see it being useful to an art program, but not any games. It would be prone to breaking and expensive (same thing really).
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 05:51:10 PM
There was one homebrew game that used the pressure sensitivity (I posted it around here somewhere, I'll find and re-post the link for you eventually) but it was reported somewhere that even though Nintendo included the ability into the original DS/L they also had a clause in their SDK Dev agreement that they were "not allowed to do anything that would damage or shorten the life of the system" so the feature went unused by official devs.
edit: Link to Tactile Feedback Stylus Patent (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30624.msg587438#msg587438)
The homebrew game that used it - Colors (http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42399) (Some pics may be NSFW)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2010, 09:35:26 PM
Here is a really good mock-up:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/aaw1p0.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 24, 2010, 11:00:19 PM
A descent mock up, but there still has to be a border around the screens, so they can't be that close together.
Now, I love the Jurassic Park image and it makes me sad I haven't gotten a Jurassic Park 4 yet...or another Jurassic Park Video Game...
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: King of Twitch on March 24, 2010, 11:12:38 PM
DUAL SEIZURE
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 25, 2010, 03:27:18 AM
Do you think this 3D will be able to properly show things coming out of the screen at you (like the above T-Rex for example) or only show depth like things in the background? I have a feeling it will only be things going into the screen, not coming out.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on March 25, 2010, 03:43:40 AM
The t-rex isn't coming out it's showing depth like you said. That's what depth looks like.
I've had my fair share of working with 3D video and never have I made one come out of the screen. It's always just to show distance and depth more accurately (which works wonders for dissections).
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 25, 2010, 04:15:12 AM
I don't want coming out of the screen...that is lame. I like the depth into the screen. That was most of Avatar's tricks and it worked well.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 04:22:17 AM
the DSi already does depth using face tracking. "Hidden 3D picture (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30728.0)" This is autosteroscopic 3D coming out of the screen probably combined with the face tracking to create pop-out and depth at the same time.
I expect to be blown away and cross-eyed at the same time.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Mannypon on March 25, 2010, 06:35:40 PM
I can't really see things coming out of the 3DS as that'll get in the way of the stylus and your input. Creating depth is the better approach IMO, especially if its anything like what's on display in Avatar (the movie, not the game).
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 06:43:48 PM
The DSi already does depth with head tracking (I'm sounding like a broken record now). I would expect the 3D effect to make it look like it's popping off of the screen, almost as if it might hit you in the face if you weren't careful. There is no reason for Nintendo to release new hardware and HYPE 3D if it's the exact same thing that they are already achieving on the DSi with "Hidden 3D Image".
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 25, 2010, 10:56:17 PM
BlackNMild, does the DSi do depth via head tracking?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2010, 11:13:19 PM
Yes. The DSi does depth through Head tracking ("Hidden 3D Image") ;)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet though ;D
Nintendo 3DS is the best handheld ever' (http://) Dementium developer on Nintendo's new handheld
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The developer of DS horror series Dementium 2 believes the new Nintendo 3DS will be the best handheld games console ever.
"Based on what I've heard about the 3DS specs, I think it will be the best handheld system to date," said Renegade Kid's Jools Watsham. "To be honest, I think the 3D aspect of the console is just the icing on what is already an extremely powerful system."
"I expect the 3DS to have the graphical power of a GameCube, plus all of the other delights such as two screens, rumble, motion control, Wi-Fi, and an analogue stick. The 3D feature is wonderful, for sure, but it will only be appropriate for certain things. [Nintendo] produces the best handheld systems, [the system will] deliver a platform worthy of a successor to the Nintendo DSi. [I am] very interested in developing for the 3DS."
It's good to see that some devs are ecstatic about the 3DS!!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 26, 2010, 12:06:56 AM
Interesting to see what devs like Capcom, Konami and Square Enix have to say about it.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on March 26, 2010, 12:13:47 AM
The DSi already does depth with head tracking (I'm sounding like a broken record now). I would expect the 3D effect to make it look like it's popping off of the screen, almost as if it might hit you in the face if you weren't careful. There is no reason for Nintendo to release new hardware and HYPE 3D if it's the exact same thing that they are already achieving on the DSi with "Hidden 3D Image".
Dude, headtracking is NOT 3D. It's the ILLUSION of 3D. But everything your seeing is still flat images. Real 3D provides a discernible amount of depth and most importantly, the perspective can be changed.
Popping out 3D is quite frankly the worst kind of 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 12:47:45 AM
just go watch the Hidden Images video. It gives you a sense of depth in side your DS. When they say it does real 3D, I imagine they are talking about the 3D that makes it pop out at you like its not on the screen anymore, the same type of 3D experience that they are trying to sell in on the new TV's and at the movies. The type of experience that makes a scene feel deep by making imagery pop off the screen. This creates an illusion of 3D depth.
Head tracking on the DSi accomplished depth with out 3D screens. Using a 3D screens and using head tracking to accomplish that same sense of depth will give you an amazing effect. Why is this so hard to understand.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on March 26, 2010, 01:46:50 AM
I understand it perfectly. I've been working for over a year on making 3D video! I don't think you understand it. You seem to have a notion that all 3D does is make the image pop out. That's completely false.
And I'll say it again. Head-tracking is not 3D; it's the illusion of 3D. Every new perspective you create by moving your head, shows another flat 2D image. The sense of depth comes from you moving your head, not the actual screen. This is very different from real 3D imagery. Since with real 3D imagery, you do not have to have "the window effect".
Popping out 3D is not why 3D imagery is useful in terms of portraying depth. When something pops out of the screen, you can tell its closer than everything else on the screen, but you can't tell by how much. Yes there is depth, but there is no real measurement of depth.
The work I do is useful because of the discernible depth you see from the imagery that does not pop out. It is as if you are looking at it yourself; it as if you are there. Just like how you can relate object size and distance in real life, you can relate objects within the scene and give them a certain size and distance relative to everything else. That is why it is so useful for dissection videos; e.g. a heart valve is below another and further away, yet is larger.
I'm honestly about to send you a clip of one of my videos, but you'll have to go crosseyed to see it.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on March 26, 2010, 01:51:03 AM
I just hope Sonic Chronicles 2, Mass Effect, No More Heroes, Madworld and Dead Space find their way onto the system. The kind of graphical out put the device will probably have just makes me happy at the thought of these games ever appearing on the device.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 02:06:00 AM
All I have been saying is that DSi has achieved depth through head tracking. 3D depth? not without a 3d Screen, which we are getting and that's why I've been saying that it(windowed depth) combined with and advanced 3D screen could provided some amazing visuals.
As far as this "3D video" you've been working on, I would love to see it, and I would assume it wasn't shot with 3D cameras nor does it require me to wear any special glasses, so I would really like to see this idea of 3D that I'm just not getting. *unfortunately, I can't see the stereogram images that require you to go crosseyed*
The kind of 3D Nintendo is supposedly bringing to the DS is the kind that makes the image jump off the screen, just like in the movie theaters and just like they are pushing at Best Buy, Sears and every other big audio/visual retailer out there. So I don't see what it is that I am not understanding that you seem to.
I'm gonna send you my e-mail address, you can send me this video, then we can be on the same page at the same time. To me it sounds like you are talking about stereogram images (magic eye type stuff) and I'm talking about stereographic images(Movie theater 3D). two different ways of making 3D imagery, and only one of which has anything to do with the 3DS as far as I know.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on March 26, 2010, 02:57:22 AM
No no, you only have to go cross-eyed for one of my videos because you don't have the proper equipment. Back in the day to achieve 3D, I used two HD cameras on a single tripod that were skewed towards each other (think wall-e). The result was two slightly different images. When you set them side-by-side and viewed them at a certain distance with some sort of barrier between the image, it would give you the true sense of 3D. Of course, we quickly scrapped that way of doing it and started using polarized images, but it did work. And that's what I'm thinking of sending you since you need nothing except a folder or piece of paper.
I'm just trying to tell you that the 3D that pops out of the screen is the gimmick (that is why you only saw things fly at your face in things like Avatar and Alice in Wonderland very occasionally). The true value of 3D is its ability to give you true depth; not panorama depth, not pop out depth, but true depth.
I know its hard to explain and that's why i'm considering showing you a video, but I think if you've seen Avatar in 3D (specifically IMAX 3D) and then you watch it on Netflix, you'll understand that the pop out bullshit is not the significant thing about it.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 03:04:31 AM
I have not watched Avatar on any movie using the new 3D tech (unless My Bloody Valentine 3D counts)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Caterkiller on March 26, 2010, 11:52:43 AM
Wait a minute, developers are truely excited for Nintendo hardware? I don't know guys this looks like the beginning of the end to me.
LOL at BNM's constant head tracking statements, and then Spinnzilla asking him about it. Thats comedy!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 12:40:21 PM
There are whispers that this system is more powerful than a Gamecube which means it's more powerful than a PSP.
A PSP was roughly a PS2 lite which would mean not quite as powerful as a PS2. The GC was already more powerful(very close to the XBox) than the PS2 and the 3DS could be a GC+.
That would put it somewhere between the power of a GC and a Wii. I'm really hoping that Nintendo allows HD resolution (720p) with some sort of TVout solution (wireless or mini-hdmi).
and don't forget that Netflix was hinting at possible support for the DS. If this GC+ 3DS is true, we could see some Netflix support from Day 1. with a TVout option, increased wireless speed and a possible (yet unlikely and not very necessary) 3G option, that makes me very excited to be a Nintendo fan right now.
edit: I think it's time to start a new DS2 3DS wishlist.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 26, 2010, 01:05:58 PM
I dont' think we'll get a million gamecube ports, when didn't get a million N64 ports with the DS.
If anything I think Netflix on the 3DS will be more of an after thought through a download or something. Nintendo already stated what sets them apart from Sony and Microsoft is that they concentrate on the gaming experience more so vs. the multimedia capabilities, unlike the HD guys. Movies on my nintendo handheld would be a cool addition, but it's not something i'm going to hold out for.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 01:36:57 PM
That's the thing though, you won't have to hold out for it. Netflix is already talking about it, which means they are likely experimenting with it and could easily have it ready for launch if the 3DS is anywhere near as powerful and flexible as it sounds.
Netflix is trying to be everywhere that matters right now, and to have a Netflix 3DSware App on day 1 would be a win for Netflix, a nice bullet point for 3DS and yet another way to Nintendo to say "King Me" on the handheld system checkerboard.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 26, 2010, 01:45:50 PM
Okay so here's what rumored so far, right? -Force feed back rumble -a true pressure sensitive touch screen -accelerometer -joy/analog stick -better wifi (3G would be really, really nice too....) -increased battery life -netflix support
anything missing, BlackNMild?
if half of this is true, that's gonna be one hell of interactive handheld.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: vudu on March 26, 2010, 02:12:58 PM
I have a feeling that everyone on this board is going to be extremely disappointed.
That said, I'm sure the device will still kick ass.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 02:47:23 PM
Okay so here's what rumored so far, right? -Force feed back rumble -a true pressure sensitive touch screen -accelerometer -joy/analog stick -better wifi (3G would be really, really nice too....) -increased battery life -netflix support -Gamecube level or better graphics -holographic storage*
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ENABLING HOLOGRAPHIC MEDIA BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WITH DUAL-USE MEDIA CARD CONNECTOR (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_V3&FT=D&date=20090115&CC=US&NR=2009014522A1&KC=A1) (Nintendo/ InPhase; January 2009)
DUAL-USE MEDIA CARD CONNECTOR FOR BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE HOLOGRAPHIC MEDIA CARD (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=2009017687A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=20090115&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_V3) (Nintendo/ InPhase; January 2009)
and don't forget the patent that Nintendo just got on that new DS card design (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178249), I think we all know what it could be used for.
Here's a fun gallery of mock ups. Some of them awesome, some of them ugly as ass.
Almost every single one of those if from GAF, all of them except for #15 (http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Future-Nintendo-DS/462597) which looks too nice to ever happen. #15 is more like the 3DS2 with holographic projection the way he "visualized" it.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 07:52:25 PM
Okay so here's what rumored so far, right? -Force feed back rumble -a true pressure sensitive touch screen -accelerometer -joy/analog stick"stick which enables movement in 3D enviorments"** -better wifi (3G would be really, really nice too....) -increased battery life -netflix support -Gamecube level or better graphics -holographic storage*
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ENABLING HOLOGRAPHIC MEDIA BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WITH DUAL-USE MEDIA CARD CONNECTOR (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_V3&FT=D&date=20090115&CC=US&NR=2009014522A1&KC=A1) (Nintendo/ InPhase; January 2009)
DUAL-USE MEDIA CARD CONNECTOR FOR BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE HOLOGRAPHIC MEDIA CARD (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=2009017687A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=20090115&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_V3) (Nintendo/ InPhase; January 2009)
and don't forget the patent that Nintendo just got on that new DS card design (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178249), I think we all know what it could be used for.
**This might not necessarily mean a joystick and could have something to do with a more advanced stylus (see rumor (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg595994#msg595994) thread (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg596298#msg596298) ;) (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg596384#msg596384))
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on March 26, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
Could retro studio be working a 3D version of Metroid Prime Hunters 2 with gamecube style graphics? I am hoping for a virtual handheld service on the 3DS and a movie player, which Netflix being interested in video streaming makes that possibility all the better.
The 3DS is going to have so many feathers in its cap because of all the bells and whistles it will most likely have once it releases. I am speculating that the 3DS will be delivered to America some time in 2011, possibly 2010 in Japan.
As for having two game card slots for the DS and 3DS game cartridges, I wager that the 3DS will have one single card slot that can read both game carts.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2010, 09:55:23 PM
Could retro studio be working a 3D version of Metroid Prime Hunters 2 with gamecube style graphics?
Metroid Prime Trilogy 3D
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I am hoping for a virtual handheld service on the 3DS and a movie player, which Netflix being interested in video streaming makes that possibility all the better.
I'm sure they will both happen.
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The 3DS is going to have so many feathers in its cap because of all the bells and whistles it will most likely have once it releases. I am speculating that the 3DS will be delivered to America some time in 2011, possibly 2010 in Japan.
Same prediction I've been making for quite some time.
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As for having two game card slots for the DS and 3DS game cartridges, I wager that the 3DS will have one single card slot that can read both game carts.
Thats a pretty safe bet considering I just re-posted the patent for a backwards compatible game card reader.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on March 26, 2010, 10:21:50 PM
Could retro studio be working a 3D version of Metroid Prime Hunters 2 with gamecube style graphics?
Metroid Prime Trilogy 3D
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I am hoping for a virtual handheld service on the 3DS and a movie player, which Netflix being interested in video streaming makes that possibility all the better.
I'm sure they will both happen.
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The 3DS is going to have so many feathers in its cap because of all the bells and whistles it will most likely have once it releases. I am speculating that the 3DS will be delivered to America some time in 2011, possibly 2010 in Japan.
Same prediction I've been making for quite some time.
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As for having two game card slots for the DS and 3DS game cartridges, I wager that the 3DS will have one single card slot that can read both game carts.
Thats a pretty safe bet considering I just re-posted the patent for a backwards compatible game card reader.
Having one card slot will probably happen because of convience and to reduce costs. As for the release date, if Japan gets the 3DS first and it generates alot of interest thanks to E3 2010, this may compel Nintendo to release it around the world at the same because they may want to appease all of their fans and also get the technology out as soon as possible. The only thing I worry about is oversaturation. We just had the DSi release a year ago and the XL is releasing soon. It would seem they would interfere with each others sales. I have a DSi, and would gladly pay for a better system, but what I want to see the 3DS first before I make any judgements.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2010, 02:11:10 AM
My actual prediction for time frame was Release in Japan this Holiday and at the latest by march 2011 everywhere else. I'm hoping for a Simultaneous World Wide release though.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on March 27, 2010, 02:14:41 AM
My actual prediction for time frame was Release in Japan this Holiday and at the latest by march 2011 everywhere else. I'm hoping for a Simultaneous World Wide release though.
Could they release it at the same time around the world?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2010, 02:25:22 AM
they could release it at E3 for all I know. Anything is possible and if they are planning a WW release, then they would take the appropriate steps to be very prepared for it ahead of time.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 27, 2010, 02:26:17 AM
Remember Europe will be last because it's Europe.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on March 27, 2010, 02:33:05 AM
Well, the sooner I am able to play the 3DS, the better.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 27, 2010, 03:50:41 AM
You are forgetting Australia.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2010, 06:51:58 AM
who?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on March 27, 2010, 11:14:14 AM
Remember the DSi very nearly got 2 SD card slots but was dropped in the final design. I read it in one of the Iwata Asks interviews. So it could very well be that they have two slots this time.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2010, 01:19:41 PM
ENABLING HOLOGRAPHIC MEDIA BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WITH DUAL-USE MEDIA CARD CONNECTOR (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_V3&FT=D&date=20090115&CC=US&NR=2009014522A1&KC=A1) (Nintendo/ InPhase; January 2009)
DUAL-USE MEDIA CARD CONNECTOR FOR BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE HOLOGRAPHIC MEDIA CARD (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=2009017687A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=20090115&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_V3) (Nintendo/ InPhase; January 2009)
and don't forget the patent that Nintendo just got on that new DS card design (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178249), I think we all know what it could be used for.
I doubt there will be 2 card slots unless one of them in an SD/micro slot.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on March 27, 2010, 09:11:55 PM
Me and a friend were discussing the 3DS and I mentioned how I was nervous about Nintendo releasing too many hardware systems at one time. We have the DS fat, Lite, DSi and DSi XL and eventually the 3DS. I stated that Nintendo might be following in the foot steps of SEGA in regards to the Genesis, CD, Saturn, 32X, and game gear. Where they release too much at one time, oversaturate the market with devices that actually interfere with each others sales and eventually lead to the companies down fall.
Second, I think of the DSi as more of an experiment to show Nintendo what to do with the 3DS than an actual successor to the DS lite. The 3DS will most likely be a beefed up version of the DSi. So I would just use the DSi as a template for the 3DS and add what ever hard ware improvements and bells and whistles that Nintendo will add to the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2010, 09:35:36 PM
The difference between what Nintendo is doing with the DS line and what Sega did with the plug-n-stack console tower rack are very very different.
fist of all the DS line plays all DS games regarless of which version you buy. The Upgrade from DS to DS Lite is only cosmetic, meaning they only changed the outer casing to make it look better. The DSL to DSi was a hardware and capability upgrade, but it still played all the old DS games. DSi to DSi XL was just an increase at size aimed mostly at older customers who were having a hard time seeing the screen.
Sega released attachment after attachment that took away from game development for the game console and wasted those teams time supporting something that would ultimately fail because they were constantly splitting their own userbase in to haves and have nots.
I would put the DS line more in line with what Apple is doing with the iPod and release slightly different versions that are completely backwards compatible to entice people into constantly upgrading for the new features or appearance that the previous model was missing
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on March 27, 2010, 10:08:18 PM
How would a movie player work on 3DS?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Caterkiller on March 28, 2010, 12:38:09 AM
You stick a movie in it, bada bing bada boom! Either that or some kind of downloable memory card something er'other.
And it very well could be released world wide. Isn't that how it was with the Wii? Wasn't it like everywhere within the month?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on March 28, 2010, 12:40:16 AM
I'll bet it will be a cross between the Wii/DSi Shops and iTunes for D/Ling movies. Imagine if Nintendo put up music from all of their games on the service too.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Caterkiller on March 28, 2010, 12:50:39 AM
I'll bet it will be a cross between the Wii/DSi Shops and iTunes for D/Ling movies. Imagine if Nintendo put up music from all of their games on the service too.
Good god! How awesome would it be to collect all your favorite songs out side of smash brothers?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on March 28, 2010, 01:04:14 AM
The first thing I'm going to do once I get a better cell phone is upload some of my favorite game songs for ring tones.
I actually would be interested in an 'nPhone' made by Nintendo. I've become more keen recently to the idea of a dual hand held/phone recently so long as the gaming part of it wasn't compromised. DSi already gives me a smart phone vibe with the camera and internet surfing. I'd like the option to be able to text/IM your friends with it too.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: DAaaMan64 on March 28, 2010, 01:51:39 AM
Nintendo would be awful at making a phone.
You know all those times when you were like "WTF Nintendo, why don't we have that feature?! Its like a standard these days!"?
Yeah, multiply that times like 1000 and you'll have nPhone.
nPoop.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: ThePerm on March 28, 2010, 04:05:20 AM
my third mockup shows the illusion of things coming out, but only slightly.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 29, 2010, 12:03:44 AM
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=118809
Somebody spilled the beans on the 3DS tech?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2010, 12:06:58 AM
No. Dave Perry is working on a ONLive competitor and has nothing to do with console development. He is commenting on the same assumptions and rumors that we are.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: stevey on March 29, 2010, 12:09:10 AM
Damn you Nintendo, there's no awesome game showing off the DSi yet and you already move onto the 3DS! And just for cheap gimmick 3D graphics too, ugh.
I really doubt that Nintendo would be first to the market for holographic media or any elaborate 3D graphics solution or anything we never seen before. Nintendo's a game company not a tech company and no licensed 3rd party would hold back something like holographic media or 3d just for a game system when the applications go much farther (and profits too). My guess is that the 3D is like head tracking but replace the horrible tracking recognition (unless you're wearing infrared LED glasses) with a till gyroscopes which work much better (especially in all lighting conditioning)
What with all these graphic gimmick driving gaming? First HD and now 3d... I don't see how pseudo 3d is going to make game funner. (same with HD)
[\Ian]
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on March 29, 2010, 01:25:53 AM
I would wager that the wii 2 will not emerge untill after the 3DS has been released and allowed to settle into the market so that Nintendo can figure what they want to do with the wii2. Basically what I am saying is that if the 3DS is successful, the wii 2 will be a HD 3D home console. Remember when Reggie said that HD is not the way to sell there console alone without some kind of uniqueness to it. 3D could be what Reggie was talking about.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: ThePerm on March 29, 2010, 02:50:33 AM
lol stevey, and thats why i didnt buy a DSi.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2010, 01:01:05 PM
Nintendo to flex it's 3DS muscle? Artificial Muscle ramps up production -- expect touchscreens that push back in 2011 (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/artificial-muscle-ramps-up-production-expect-touchscreens-tha/)
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Last we heard (http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/24/artificial-muscle-makes-touchy-devices-burlier/) from Artificial Muscle, the company was trying to convince hospitals, cell phone manufacturers and more that its technology -- a silicon film that expands and contracts with an applied voltage -- would provide a real sense of touch to their cold, hard touchscreens. On at least three counts, it has succeeded. The San Jose Mercury News reports that two cell phone manufacturers are planning Artificial Muscle-based products in 2011, and that an "electronics entertainment product" will be released this Christmas.The company also plans to produce 1 million of the electronic actuators per month to anticipate further demand. While the Mercury News notes that Artificial Muscle's product isn't the holy grail of haptic feedback (http://www.engadget.com/tag/haptic+feedback/) -- the entire screen stiffens when pressed, not just the spot you touch -- its adoption means the company may have set events in motion to ultimately reach that goal.
I smell an E3 reveal. Could this be the next secret of the 3DS that Nintendo is trying to keep under wraps for the next 2 months? Could we be getting real touch and 3D? I can only think of a few "electronics entertainment product" that would need 1 million of these things a month, considering that the other products that plan to use it (2 cell phones) won't be releasing till sometime next year.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 30, 2010, 01:40:59 PM
Hmm, while I am somewhat familiar with piezoelectic materials and lcd screens, I figured that the applied voltage through the piezoelectric layer would interfere with the lcd. If anyone knows better, can they try to elaborate on how it works?
This is an interesting feature to have. It's like rumble, but localized. Personally I think that rumble is overrated in what it contributes to gaming, but I can see how this is more useful.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 30, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
I had heard speculation that Nintendo did this reveal the way it did because a screen manufacturer was gonna have to report the large 3D screen order to it's investors and that Nintendo wanted the reveal to come directly from them.
It seems that was pretty much on the mark.
It looks like Nintendo did it because press leaks got out and the press was asking questions at the manufacturers and Nintendo wanted to beat the leak.
Report: Ill-Timed 3DS Announce Due To Japan Press Leaks (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/27864/Report_IllTimed_3DS_Announce_Due_To_Japan_Press_Leaks.php)
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New media reports suggest press leaks in Japan, where the DSI XL has already been out for some time, forced Nintendo's hand even at the expense of Nintendo of America.
"Apparently, the Japanese press was all over it and talked with suppliers there and Nintendo just wanted to get out ahead by breaking the news to prevent a leak," M2 Research senior analyst Billy Pigeon told CNBC. "Does it clash with the DSi XL? Yes, it does."
So sorry NoA, NoE & NAL, but NOJ had no choice but to potentially cut the XL at the knees. The general public probably still won't know about it, but out of the forum frequenting crowd, only the most hardcore collectors and those buying them for their parents will probably still purchase an XL before seeing what the 3DS is all about.
But if it makes anyone feel better, I'm sure Yamauchi has dispatched the Corporate Ninjas to seal this leak and make sure there are no more to follow.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on March 30, 2010, 03:51:08 PM
So April 1 is when we find out it's not really 3D, right?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2010, 01:00:10 AM
Nintendo to flex it's 3DS muscle? Artificial Muscle ramps up production -- expect touchscreens that push back in 2011 (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/artificial-muscle-ramps-up-production-expect-touchscreens-tha/)
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Last we heard (http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/24/artificial-muscle-makes-touchy-devices-burlier/) from Artificial Muscle, the company was trying to convince hospitals, cell phone manufacturers and more that its technology -- a silicon film that expands and contracts with an applied voltage -- would provide a real sense of touch to their cold, hard touchscreens. On at least three counts, it has succeeded. The San Jose Mercury News reports that two cell phone manufacturers are planning Artificial Muscle-based products in 2011, and that an "electronics entertainment product" will be released this Christmas.The company also plans to produce 1 million of the electronic actuators per month to anticipate further demand. While the Mercury News notes that Artificial Muscle's product isn't the holy grail of haptic feedback (http://www.engadget.com/tag/haptic+feedback/) -- the entire screen stiffens when pressed, not just the spot you touch -- its adoption means the company may have set events in motion to ultimately reach that goal.
I smell an E3 reveal. Could this be the next secret of the 3DS that Nintendo is trying to keep under wraps for the next 2 months? Could we be getting real touch and 3D? I can only think of a few "electronics entertainment product" that would need 1 million of these things a month, considering that the other products that plan to use it (2 cell phones) won't be releasing till sometime next year.
video of the tech if anyone is interested http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_MHEKnrk9A
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: SixthAngel on March 31, 2010, 02:55:03 AM
I can't see youtube vids. I don't understand how it gives you a sense of touch. The screen turns a little harder?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 31, 2010, 02:58:01 AM
If I understand correctly, its like it moves up and down (normal to its plane), through its increasing/decreasing tension.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on March 31, 2010, 03:02:23 AM
I can't see youtube vids. I don't understand how it gives you a sense of touch. The screen turns a little harder?
You know how when using the wiimote and the wiimote vibrates when you pass over a button so that you can "feel" the button? This screen will flex the screen where you are touching to simulate clicking a button. When using a slider, you will feel when you are going past certain points on the slide bar. The screen can let you feel when you've bumped into a button or slider and provides pretty good sense of haptic feedback. There are many uses for being able to feel what you are touching on the screen, but they only gave a few in the video. I'm sure Nintendo can come up with some pretty interesting ones if they have chosen to use this tech.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Tobli on March 31, 2010, 11:02:56 AM
Damn you Nintendo, there's no awesome game showing off the DSi yet and you already move onto the 3DS! And just for cheap gimmick 3D graphics too, ugh.
What with all these graphic gimmick driving gaming? First HD and now 3d... I don't see how pseudo 3d is going to make game funner. (same with HD)
1. The DSi is just an iteration of the DS. So it was never meant to get any real exclusive top notch game development focus.
2. They haven't even properly revealed the system yet. You can't just presume that there are no aspects of the 3DS that will have an effect on gameplay .
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on March 31, 2010, 11:30:13 AM
First of all, DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.
Second of all, you don't even now if this tech can be combined with an LCD, let alone a screen that displays 3D.
And third of all, I've seen rampant speculation in my day, but you are setting yourself up for worst let down in history.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on March 31, 2010, 01:20:17 PM
You know what would be cool with New Super Mario Bros. game and the 3D tech?
If you could tilt the 3DS and find secert areas that way. Like a new tunnel hidden by a grounded pow box.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2010, 01:39:41 PM
Second of all, you don't even now if this tech can be combined with an LCD, let alone a screen that displays 3D.
And third of all, I've seen rampant speculation in my day, but you are setting yourself up for worst let down in history.
It can be combined with an LCD, it shows it in the video.
And this is all part of the HYPE Speculation New Hardware Process. We all know where the HYPE TRAIN ends(we don't need you to keep pointing it out), but it's fun to speculate so quit fighting it and just go with the flow.
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Post by: Stogi on March 31, 2010, 07:16:04 PM
Please, don't let me stop you from speculating. That's not my intent with these posts and I admit, its fun to dream. But as a long time Nintendo fan, I'm done with it. Nintendo already revealed that it will be 3D, be as powerful as the GC, have haptic feedback, better WiFi and have a 3D stick. Sans a camera, mic, and cartridge slot, what more could you ask for?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2010, 07:45:30 PM
holographic storage, dual cameras for 3D video/picto chat, 4" screens with hi-rez 800x400 or whatever resolution at that size equals 16:9.....
theres plenty more to ask for. there are plenty of things with reason to speculate and hope for and then there are the guesses that are way out there. I don't think I've crosses the line of "that's impossible" and "will never happen", but someone has to fuel the HYPE TRAIN and who better than me?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on March 31, 2010, 08:49:52 PM
holographic storage, dual cameras for 3D video/picto chat, 4" screens with hi-rez 800x400 or whatever resolution at that size equals 16:9.....
theres plenty more to ask for. there are plenty of things with reason to speculate and hope for and then there are the guesses that are way out there. I don't think I've crosses the line of "that's impossible" and "will never happen", but someone has to fuel the HYPE TRAIN and who better than me?
How about a movie player for the 3DS? I would love to watch movies on those screens with that resoultion. Throw in a virtual handheld service and a more robust DSware service and I am sold. Oh, do not forget a radio player, it will need one of those for sure.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 31, 2010, 08:57:44 PM
holographic storage, dual cameras for 3D video/picto chat, 4" screens with hi-rez 800x400 or whatever resolution at that size equals 16:9.....
theres plenty more to ask for. there are plenty of things with reason to speculate and hope for and then there are the guesses that are way out there. I don't think I've crosses the line of "that's impossible" and "will never happen", but someone has to fuel the HYPE TRAIN and who better than me?
How about a movie player for the 3DS? I would love to watch movies on those screens with that resoultion. Throw in a virtual handheld service and a more robust DSware service and I am sold. Oh, do not forget a radio player, it will need one of those for sure.
NETFLIX 3D COMING TO 3DS THIS YEAR!!! (http://www.vooks.net/story-19042-Netflix-announces-Netflix3D-coming-to-Nintendo-3DS.html)
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We don’t even know what it looks like yet but the 3DS will be getting in on the 3D movie scene.
Netflix has only just bought their ever popular service to the Wii but it’s already announced that it will be expanding in 3D movies and they’ll be debuting on the Nintendo 3DS on launch. The Nintendo 3DS was only just announced and no details are known about it apart from the 3D nature of it but it seems we’ll be enjoying 3D movies on it at launch. Netflix’s 2D content will also be available.
Netflix co-founder and CEO Reed Hastings say “We’re proud to announce that we’re again working with Nintendo and bringing the world of 3D to Nintendo users via the 3DS and our new Netflix3D service”.
YAAAAAAAAY!!!!
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Post by: Spinnzilla on March 31, 2010, 10:18:53 PM
wow. that's cool. I submit to your will BnM, you called it.
Hopefully this isn't an April Fools joke...
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 01, 2010, 01:08:07 AM
I will get a Net Flix account if it works all over the world on the 3DS just for the nice 3D movies on the device...that is a huge win for Nintendo specially vs the ipod, iphone.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on April 01, 2010, 01:46:06 AM
It's an April fools joke.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 01, 2010, 01:53:09 AM
It would be obvious if 1 of 3 things were done.
1. Use FireFox, the abbreviations are made very obvious (at least in NWRcore) 2. Follow the link of the quoted post.... it takes you back to the funhouse. 3. Follow the link in the quoted post as the link states that it is not real.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 03:27:48 AM
Ok. April Fools is Over so now I can post this news. It's what we've been waiting to hear.
Sharp Develops 3D Touchscreen LCD (http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/100402.html) Switchable Between 2D and 3D Modes—with Industry’s Highest Brightness
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Sharp Corporation has developed a 3D touchscreen LCD featuring the industry’s highest brightness that can switch between 2D and 3D modes. Users can view 3D images without the need to wear special glasses, making this LCD ideal for mobile devices such as digital cameras, mobile phones, and smartphones.
The newly developed 3D LCD uses a parallax barrier system to display 3D images. This parallax barrier, which has a series of vertical slits, is incorporated into an ordinary LCD to control the path of light reaching the right and left eyes, thus creating a sense of depth. However, the conventional 3D LCD with this system had difficulty in displaying high-quality images in 3D mode.
The 3D LCD developed by Sharp at this time significantly improves image quality by achieving both high brightness and low crosstalk*2 thanks to advances in CG-Silicon technology*3 and optimization of the parallax barrier. Advances in CG-Silicon technology have shrunk the wiring width within the LCD panel, allowing more light to pass and doubling the brightness (to 500 cd/m2, the industry’s highest) compared to the conventional model*4. In addition, optimizing the parallax barrier design has increased the efficiency of light, thereby dramatically reducing crosstalk. Also, the thickness of the LCD module is about the same as conventional 2D displays even though it is a touchscreen display. As 3D images can be displayed in both portrait and landscape screen orientations, it is ideal for sophisticated mobile devices such as smartphones.
Sharp has also developed a non-touchscreen 3D LCD and will start its mass production in the first half of fiscal 2010.
So can we count on 1 or two 3D screens and 1 or 2 touch screens? Hopefully this is it, the screen they'll be using. Guess we'll have to wait till E3 to know for sure.
edit: And I forgot one more important thing since it didn't format well
3.4" FWVGA screens @ 480 x 854 pixels
I'm pretty sure that is 16:9
*I just want to summarize whats in the article for those that don't want to read it.*
New Sharp 3D screens (Paralax Barrier)
Switchable between 2D & 3D (with Industry's Highest Brightness)
3D Touch Screen and Non 3D Touch Screen (So will we have 2 3D Touch Screens?)
3D Displayed in Portrait and Landscape (regular play and book mode)
3.4" FWVGA Screens (slightly bigger than a DSi @ 3.25" screens)
@ 480 x 854 (resolution of the Motorola Droid I believe)
In production 1st half of 2010 (3DS will be at E3 afterall)
These have to be the screens since they just fit everything that Nintendo would need with the 3DS. So now I think we can speculate on what else will Nintendo bring to the table.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 04:35:14 AM
Akihabara News: [Hands-On] Sharp’s new mobile 2D/3D LCD is mind-blowing! (http://en.akihabaranews.com/42016/hands-on/hands-on-sharp-new-mobile-2d3d-lcd-is-mind-blowing?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Akihabaranews_en+%28AKIBA+EN%29)
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Finally I had the chance to enjoy Sharp’s new 2D/3D LCD that does not require 3D glasses. What I have seen so far has been quite disappointing, Sorry Fujifilm, but Sharp’s new technology is REALLY impressive and I cannot wait to have such a screen in my 3DS ! Not only the colors and brightness are good as advertised, but also the 3D Ghost-less Effect on this LCD is really impressive.
Unfortunately our picture can’t do any justice to the work done by Sharp here but you will have to trust us on this one… Simply put, Sharp have succeeded to do what Sony and Panasonic did without the need for 3D Glasses!
Akihabara News: [Hands-on] Final thoughts on Sharp’s 3D LCD screen (Summary) (http://en.akihabaranews.com/42041/)
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In the previous news Daimaou was explaining how this new LCD from Sharp was Mind Blowing. And yes, Sharp did something really impressive that will probably compete with the 3D Shutter glasses technology of Panasonic and Sony.
According to the Japanese manufacturer, the intention is to spread this new technology to different mobile devices, like ‘Point & amp; Shoot’ cameras, Mobile Phones, PMPs… And the good news here is the possibility of not only seeing but also taking pictures in 3D mode! Sharp also plan to add a 3D video Mode…
‘This 3D technology is Mind Blowing’ In this area, the Mobile LCD world, Sharp will provide you with something their competitors have not been capable of, with better brightness (usually the competitors offer a maximum brightness of 250cd/m2, while Sharp propose 500cd/m2), a contrast ratio of 1000 :1 compared to the 100 :1 that their competitors have achieved.
Other point concerns the overall quality which is really good. According to Daimaou, the quality is on a par with what is offered by either Panasonic or Sony.
Lastly, not only Sharp succeed to impress us with their 3D LCD Quality, but they also succeed to create a Mobile LCD which is a Touchscreen !
‘Some area need improvement’ However, the main difference concerns the image depth. Actually, on either Sony or Panasonic’s 3D TV, the image would emerge from the screen… But on Sharp’s mobile 2D / 3D LCD, the image provides a great sensation of depth without making you feel as if the image is coming out from the screen.
Lastly, regarding the Ghost effect, actually Sharp worked hard on this matter, however we have to admit this is not perfect… You will have to be on the sweet spot to get the perfect image. However, Notice that even if you’re not on the ‘sweet point’, frankly we are not sure if their competitors with their current LCD screens are capable of reaching this quality.
Anyway, this mobile 3D LCD is simply mind blowing!
HYPE!!!!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 02, 2010, 04:41:07 AM
Wow. You can officially consider me on board the hype train.
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Post by: Stratos on April 02, 2010, 04:41:46 AM
CHOO-CHOO!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 05:47:45 AM
ALL ABOARD!!! (http://i45.tinypic.com/3478xnl.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on April 02, 2010, 01:33:03 PM
Hmmm....
I wonder how far away from the screen you can be and still see the effect.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
The Yahoo article here (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Sharp-shows-3D-displays-for-apf-1099255211.html;_ylt=ApEJBQDGwjYX4Ggew9vGr3y7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2YmRhcm9uBHBvcwMxMARzZWMDdG9wU3RvcmllcwRzbGsDc2hhcnBzaG93czMt?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode=) says 1 foot (30 centimeters), but they also said it only works on a 3" screen (7.5-centimeter) when it was clear that Sharp said it was a 3.4" screen*, so I would guess, at a comfortable arms length since Yahoo is obviously not getting the released facts straight(they also said this tech will be in the next DSi).
*http://www.diginfo.tv/ (http://www.diginfo.tv/)
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 02, 2010, 04:37:57 PM
Nintendo better not use this outdated technology in my 3DS. ;)
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 02, 2010, 05:19:49 PM
Actually, on either Sony or Panasonic’s 3D TV, the image would emerge from the screen… But on Sharp’s mobile 2D / 3D LCD, the image provides a great sensation of depth without making you feel as if the image is coming out from the screen.
This is what I mentioned before. I thought it would be too good to be true for images popping out of the screen. This is what I thought would be the case. Depth only.
BAH. Stupid HTML!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on April 02, 2010, 05:31:04 PM
Yeah but DEPTH is the best part of 3D. Popping images is the gimmick, and honestly disrupting if used repeatedly.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 05:33:59 PM
I don't think it's depth only, I think that because the screen is so small and close to your face, there isn't a lot of room for the image to seeming jump off the screen in comparison to watching it on a 40" HDTV or a 100' Movie Screen.
If they can successfully show a sense of depth, then it the same tech that show the pop off the screen. I think the "pop" is just much less pronounced than the sense of depth due to size and proximity.
Or maybe it has to do with where the parralax barrier is on comparison to the screen. Having the barrier on your face (glasses) vs on the screen (3DS) could be the difference maker. I am no expert on the tech and haven't even watched that many 3D movies (since the "3D" is usually just a gimmicky distraction to a sub-par movie), but what if the sense of depth is created at the level of the barrier and that's why it "pop's" at the theater(barrier on your face = depth between you and the screen) and looks deep on these screens(since the barrier is on the screen, depth is pretty much all you can see).
My real hope is that Nintendo uses some sort of face/eye tracking to widen the range of the 3D effect so that you don't have to be in a very specific place infront of the 3DS to see it. Combining Real 3D with the windowed depth of the DSi game would be really crazy and something that I doubt the competition would easily match.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 02, 2010, 05:38:55 PM
... under $200.
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Post by: Stratos on April 02, 2010, 05:40:35 PM
My real hope is that Nintendo uses some sort of face/eye tracking to widen the range of the 3D effect so that you don't have to be in a very specific place in front of the 3DS to see it. Combining Real 3D with the windowed depth of the DSi game would be really crazy and something that I doubt the competition would easily match.
There is tech available to allow people to see the effect from different positions at the same time and it seemed to easily be applied to a normal 3D screen. I think I mentioned it before but I saw a youtube video from a tech trade convention where a guy demonstrated it and said that they could get it to work from 8 different angles at once and they could be ready to produce the screens next year with up to 64 different ideal viewing angles.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 02, 2010, 05:56:05 PM
I don't think it's depth only, I think that because the screen is so small and close to your face, there isn't a lot of room for the image to seeming jump off the screen in comparison to watching it on a 40" HDTV or a 100' Movie Screen.
If they can successfully show a sense of depth, then it the same tech that show the pop off the screen. I think the "pop" is just much less pronounced than the sense of depth due to size and proximity.
Or maybe it has to do with where the parralax barrier is on comparison to the screen. Having the barrier on your face (glasses) vs on the screen (3DS) could be the difference maker. I am no expert on the tech and haven't even watched that many 3D movies (since the "3D" is usually just a gimmicky distraction to a sub-par movie), but what if the sense of depth is created at the level of the barrier and that's why it "pop's" at the theater(barrier on your face = depth between you and the screen) and looks deep on these screens(since the barrier is on the screen, depth is pretty much all you can see).
My real hope is that Nintendo uses some sort of face/eye tracking to widen the range of the 3D effect so that you don't have to be in a very specific place infront of the 3DS to see it. Combining Real 3D with the windowed depth of the DSi game would be really crazy and something that I doubt the competition would easily match.
Thats the whole reason I doubted the popping out business. I don't see how an image could pop out further then the layers on the screen. If the layers are the same distance as your face (ie. glasses) then I imagine it has all the room in between to play. But if they are lying on top of the screen itself, then back is the only way to go. Unless they do release glasses to work in conjunction with it for those who want the popping out experience;(horror games yes?) But either way it is certainly not a deal breaker.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 06:00:41 PM
My real hope is that Nintendo uses some sort of face/eye tracking to widen the range of the 3D effect so that you don't have to be in a very specific place in front of the 3DS to see it. Combining Real 3D with the windowed depth of the DSi game would be really crazy and something that I doubt the competition would easily match.
There is tech available to allow people to see the effect from different positions at the same time and it seemed to easily be applied to a normal 3D screen. I think I mentioned it before but I saw a youtube video from a tech trade convention where a guy demonstrated it and said that they could get it to work from 8 different angles at once and they could be ready to produce the screens next year with up to 64 different ideal viewing angles.
I linked you to that video, I know all about the tech. I was just hoping that it(the head tracking tech to make the 3D effect move with you similar to that DSi game) can be implemented in the 3DS somehow that (yes, Pro) keeps the system under $200 price point.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2010, 06:05:25 PM
I don't think it's depth only, I think that because the screen is so small and close to your face, there isn't a lot of room for the image to seeming jump off the screen in comparison to watching it on a 40" HDTV or a 100' Movie Screen.
If they can successfully show a sense of depth, then it the same tech that show the pop off the screen. I think the "pop" is just much less pronounced than the sense of depth due to size and proximity.
Or maybe it has to do with where the parralax barrier is on comparison to the screen. Having the barrier on your face (glasses) vs on the screen (3DS) could be the difference maker. I am no expert on the tech and haven't even watched that many 3D movies (since the "3D" is usually just a gimmicky distraction to a sub-par movie), but what if the sense of depth is created at the level of the barrier and that's why it "pop's" at the theater(barrier on your face = depth between you and the screen) and looks deep on these screens(since the barrier is on the screen, depth is pretty much all you can see).
My real hope is that Nintendo uses some sort of face/eye tracking to widen the range of the 3D effect so that you don't have to be in a very specific place infront of the 3DS to see it. Combining Real 3D with the windowed depth of the DSi game would be really crazy and something that I doubt the competition would easily match.
Thats the whole reason I doubted the popping out business. I don't see how an image could pop out further then the layers on the screen. If the layers are the same distance as your face (ie. glasses) then I imagine it has all the room in between to play. But if they are lying on top of the screen itself, then back is the only way to go. Unless they do release glasses to work in conjunction with it for those who want the popping out experience;(horror games yes?) But either way it is certainly not a deal breaker.
But is that how the tech works? slightly different image to each eye with depth effects between the 3d barrier and the screen?
The way it's been explained to me is that the image sent to different eyes and the effect of depth/pop is your brain putting the images together. If that is truly how it works, then would it matter where the barrier is at or would it just be how they programmed the image to be viewed?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on April 02, 2010, 06:06:05 PM
When the 3DS releases, what kind of launch titles shoud it have? Here are some of my ideas:
Star Fox 3DS Mario Kart 3DS New Super Mario Brothers 2 3DS Super Smash Brothers Rumble 3DS Punch-Out 3DS Final Fantasy 5 3DS Final Fantasy 6 3DS Legend of Zelda 3DS with the style of Twilight Princess No More Heroes 3DS Dead Space 3DS Madworld 3DS Dante's Inferno 3DS
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 02, 2010, 06:16:08 PM
But is that how the tech works? slightly different image to each eye with depth effects between the 3d barrier and the screen?
The way it's been explained to me is that the image sent to different eyes and the effect of depth/pop is your brain putting the images together. If that is truly how it works, then would it matter where the barrier is at or would it just be how they programmed the image to be viewed?
You may very well be right. I am by no means an expert on this stuff. I actually hope you are. My favourite aspect of the whole 3D tech is stuff popping out of the screen (as long as it is done properly). But like I said, it certainly isn't a deal breaker. I will still be in there tomorrow if it was announced.
Stogi sounds like he knows what he is talking about though.
That is quite a list Kytim. Don't you want to leave anything for the next year? I would personally like a new Donkey Kong game.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on April 02, 2010, 08:44:56 PM
Glasses don't have a more inherent ability to have "popping" images. The trickery for 3D comes from your eyes and not the utensils. If your eyes have enough information, they'll make the images pop.
I will say it is EASIER though because you don't have to be so close unlike this other technology and thus, just being farther away will make the image seem like its out farther.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 03, 2010, 01:04:38 AM
When the 3DS releases, what kind of launch titles shoud it have? Here are some of my ideas:
Star Fox 3DS Mario Kart 3DS New Super Mario Brothers 2 3DS Super Smash Brothers Rumble 3DS Punch-Out 3DS Final Fantasy 5 3DS Final Fantasy 6 3DS Legend of Zelda 3DS with the style of Twilight Princess No More Heroes 3DS Dead Space 3DS Madworld 3DS Dante's Inferno 3DS
Looking at this list I think it would be wise for Nintendo to give the 3DS some popular but low key 3DS games. 3 first party launches would be great. I would say: Star Fox 3DS, Punch Out 3DS, and either Pikmin 3DS, Smash Bros. 3DS, or New Super Mario 3 3DS.
(Also, I think I would through one non-gamer game into that mix. How about 3D Brain training. It could help transition people into the idea of 3D and come up with some great ideas for games. 3D Sadoku would be awesome...if possible.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 03, 2010, 01:14:35 AM
This isn't new, but it's a very good and well thought out analysis of the 3DS right after the announcement. Make sure you check out the last two videos and their write-ups specifically. http://mobilelocalsocial.com/2010/03/an-in-depth-analysis-of-the-nintendo-3ds/
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on April 03, 2010, 02:14:10 AM
When the 3DS releases, what kind of launch titles shoud it have? Here are some of my ideas:
Star Fox 3DS Mario Kart 3DS New Super Mario Brothers 2 3DS Super Smash Brothers Rumble 3DS Punch-Out 3DS Final Fantasy 5 3DS Final Fantasy 6 3DS Legend of Zelda 3DS with the style of Twilight Princess No More Heroes 3DS Dead Space 3DS Madworld 3DS Dante's Inferno 3DS
Looking at this list I think it would be wise for Nintendo to give the 3DS some popular but low key 3DS games. 3 first party launches would be great. I would say: Star Fox 3DS, Punch Out 3DS, and either Pikmin 3DS, Smash Bros. 3DS, or New Super Mario 3 3DS.
(Also, I think I would through one non-gamer game into that mix. How about 3D Brain training. It could help transition people into the idea of 3D and come up with some great ideas for games. 3D Sadoku would be awesome...if possible.
Those are some of the games I would like to see on the 3DS. Especially No More Heroes.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2010, 12:50:12 AM
BLAST FROM THE PAST!!!
Portable GameCube Rumors From 2006 (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/07/portable-gamecube-rumor-returns-briefly/)
Quote from: Joystiq
For several minutes, in fact. Earlier today, IGN's Matt Casamassina posted an article that served to round up several wily Wii rumors, including the usual price ($229) and launch date (2 Nov. or 12 Nov.) suspects. More interesting, however, was the indication given by mysterious sources that IBM was in the process of shrinking and slowing down the Wii's Broadway chip for a "future Nintendo handheld -- presumably one that plays Gamecube discs."
Before the rumor managed to fully set in and plunge the masses into unyielding seizures of delight, the article was promptly pulled from the site and replaced by a decidedly unhelpful update. "At the request of our sources, who do not wish to go to jail this week, we have temporarily removed the Wii rumors piece that was posted earlier." Apparently, the oppressive and joyless Nintendo police were none too pleased with people blabbering about portable Gamecubes to IGN. When the article reappeared, all mention of it had been removed, spirited away to some great rumor recycle bin (send our love to the holographic projector).
People have been saying that Tegra is not in the 3DS but we're all 100% positive that some sort of ARM chip will be in place for DS/i backwards compatibility but I guess we can't rule out that maybe Broadway has found it's way into the 3DS too.
Could Broadway have been merged into a custom ARM chip? what about Hollywood? Broadway is the Wii CPU(made from GC's Gekko) and Hollywood is the Wii GPU (made from GC's Flipper)
Maybe it's not exactly GC level graphics we should be expecting but roughly around Wii levels, and before the haters jump in to say "But they're the same thing" hardee har har...... I beat you to it, so go away.
You have to remember that the GC chipset was designed with low power consumption and high output in mind. You also have to remember that Iwata revently confessed to burying the ability to process 3D output for left eye/right eye in the GC hardware. The Wii chipset (Broadway/Hollywood) is a beefed up GameCube chipset (Gekko/Flipper), which means it has inherited all prior capabilities including the 3D left/right processing.
Wii has sold around 70 million units WW which means that these chips have got to be dirt cheap by now considering how cheap they were before this generation. Shrinking them down even further (for the last 4 years) would only make them cheaper and more energy efficient. A Wii only uses on average 17 watts and I would imagine that combining the 2 chips into one and die shrinking them both could severely cut that down.
I couldn't find any data on how much power a PSP or a DS uses, but I bet a die shrunk Wii would be somewhere in that ballpark.
Plausible or just crazy talk?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MegaByte on April 04, 2010, 01:02:35 AM
Given the amount of money Nintendo spent on the last die shrink, it would be much more cost-effective to go with something that already works well and is naturally backwards-compatible with DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 04, 2010, 01:19:07 AM
Could they embed an upgraded ARM 11 into the Broadway chip or something similar to boost the power while keeping wattage low and BC 100%?
I can already see all the New Play Control games headed to the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2010, 12:08:00 PM
Updating expectations:
2x 3.4" 3D screens bottom screen is a touchscreen Either 4 cameras, 2 facing out and 2 facing in, both sets for taking 3D pictures and video. or 2 swivel cameras on the hinge for 3D pictures outwards and inwards (1 of the cameras are dual purposed with infra red for eye-tracking) 1 d-pad, 4 face buttons and 2 shoulder buttons new stylus, capable of being tracked. either through infra red camera or magneto meter of some sort. tilt sensors Shrunken GC(/Wii) hardware paired with an ARM11 (Tegra like performance @ similar wattage) < 100MB ram BC DS media card slot for future adoption of holographic cards if necessary SDHC/microSD card slot 2GB of internal flash 10-14 hours of battery Wifi 802.11 b/g Bluetooth $200 price point (within $15 of)
edit: Artist Render or Prototype? I've seen this "prototype" before but this is the first time I've seen it like this http://hamstern.air-nifty.com/mogumogu/2010/04/post-3c64.html (http://hamstern.air-nifty.com/mogumogu/2010/04/post-3c64.html)
I'm calling fake, but it's still pretty impressive even though I don't like the "DS" mode at all.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spinnzilla on April 06, 2010, 03:01:29 PM
A couple sites are saying that Sharp announced today that they said their tech will be used on the 3DS, but I keep looking at the press release and see no mention of Nintendo. Am I missing it?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2010, 03:19:44 PM
I haven't seen it. But If I find it before you do, it will be posted in here.
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Post by: Spinnzilla on April 06, 2010, 03:28:21 PM
Nice mock up, I have to say. But the guy needs to improve his shadowing and lighting skills before it looks like a believable prototype. Looks like it would be very uncomfortable to hold.
Oh and a nipple for sexy time.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 06, 2010, 03:32:44 PM
Does it transform into a cassette player?
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Post by: Spinnzilla on April 06, 2010, 03:45:53 PM
Yeah, Sony's giving it Walkman support.
Here's my expectations: -Two Screens lol -D-pad and Analog stick -4 face buttons, two shoulder -Gamecube-like graphics -3D lolololol -Miyamoto's carrot and stick system: Mario Stars or Coins (similar to gamerscore and trophies) -Sensible online conductivity. I don't want the world, just something better. -3G maybe? -Open pricing system. It seems like the only apps not worth the two bucks are the nintendo -made ones. -Pressure Screen -not a slow as balls online store -TRANSFER OF DSIWARE!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2010, 01:56:29 PM
Looks like TOSE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSE) is hard at work on producing Nintendo 3DS software
Shigeru Saito (The President of TOSE) : Last year the company's got a loss. The profit has been reduced sharply due to the depression of the game market. The software makers postponed or canceled projects made the volume of the sales been reduced almost by half.
The order of producing softwares for Nintendo's Nintendo 3DS has been increasing. Thanks to this contribution, the financial situation can be considerably recovered
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2010, 07:42:11 PM
Terrible? That's just a DSi XL running a DSiWare game... nothing fake there.
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Post by: Stratos on April 09, 2010, 02:32:28 PM
DSiWare can do 3D? That game it's running has depth.
~Ah, I see, it's using that camera head tracking trick, isn't it?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2010, 06:12:56 PM
Looks like Hitachi (Another Nintendo LCD supplier) has announced their "No Glasses Necessary 3D LCD" with use in a game machine coming this year.
Now this is most likely a 2nd vendor for the 3DS (I'm sure Nintendo is preparing for a huge launch), but it could be Sony looking for a quick 3D screen supplier for the PSP2(I'm gonna post this in that thead too).
Source article in Japanese (http://www.nikkei.com/tech/news/article/g=96958A9C93819696E3E2E2E2888DE3E2E2E6E0E2E3E2869891E2E2E2;da=96958A88889DE2E0E2E5EAE5E5E2E3E7E3E0E0E2E2EBE2E2E2E2E2E2)
Quote from: translated by Mandoric@NeoGAF
The new LCD panel consists of two LCD panel layers, with the different perspectives of the left and right eye creating a 3d image. SHARP uses the same technique. By changing the form of the liquid crystals which block light, Hitachi Displays creates a feeling of true 3d. By increasing brightness over previous products, the previous weakness of 3D--screen darkness--has been solved. It also functions in 2d mode. It is expected to enter production at their panel plant in Mobara, Chiba in 2010.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2010, 02:51:12 PM
Nintendo Co.’s forthcoming 3-D player is the company’s biggest product introduction from the handheld business since it began offering the DS machine in 2004, according to the game maker’s U.S. head.
“We have ideas of what we want to bring to the consumer that we can’t do with the current” DS model, Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils-Aime said in an interview yesterday. “The Nintendo 3DS for us is our next handheld platform.”
The Kyoto-based game maker, projecting its first annual drop in DS machine sales, joins Sony Corp. in embracing the 3-D technology that helped “Avatar” break box-office records. The 3DS, going on sale this fiscal year, will compete against Sony’s PlayStation Portable and Apple Inc.’s iPad in the market for portable game players.
Nintendo, maker of the best selling Wii console, last month said the new handheld device will allow users to see 3-D images without the need for special glasses. Fils-Aime declined to give further details about the product, saying the company’s announcements at the E3 show in Los Angeles in June will focus on the player. [...] “Fundamentally, this business is about software, not hardware. Software is what drives engagement by the consumer,” Fils-Aime said. “For us technology is not the end, it’s the means to an end, which is around a great consumer experience.”
Nothing exciting or necessarily new (other than iPad sales), but figured I'd post it anyway.
oh, and there is iPad and PS3 talk in the article too.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 13, 2010, 03:05:09 PM
EDIT: After reading this again, I realized that my response was in error, as Nintendo is merely claiming that this is the biggest handheld they themselves have released since 2004, which not one person with any kind of grasp on reality would ever dispute.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2010, 07:27:54 PM
I just read about this page (http://www.samsung.com/au/tv/warning.html) on Samsung's web site warning about all the potential side effects of their 3D TVs.
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Pregnant women, the elderly, sufferers of serious medical conditions, those who are sleep deprived or under the influence of alcohol should avoid utilising the unit’s 3D functionality.
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If you experience any of the following symptoms, stop viewing 3D pictures immediately and consult a medical specialist:
1. altered vision; 2. lightheadedness; 3. dizziness; 4. involuntary movements such as eye or muscle twitching; 5. confusion; 6. nausea; 7. convulsions; 8. cramps; and/ or 9. disorientation.
I don't know if all of this applies to what Nintendo's doing, but some of the listed things seem pretty similar to some of the things people had trouble with on the Virtual Boy
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2010, 07:39:16 PM
That could all be symptoms of wearing the glasses on your face for extended periods of time.
3DS shouldn't have that problem.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2010, 07:49:09 PM
A lot of those apply to playing videogames for an extended period of time anyway.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2010, 07:51:12 PM
I don't believe I've seen any game console say that pregnant women should avoid playing it.
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Post by: Mop it up on April 15, 2010, 07:55:14 PM
Hence why I didn't say "all" of them. :)
Random curiosity question: Does Wii Fit say that pregnant women shouldn't play it?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2010, 08:07:17 PM
Pregnant women are already horny enough, last thing we need is for her to fall off her balance board and get even hornier.
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Post by: SixthAngel on April 16, 2010, 10:44:32 AM
IPad, Nintendo 3DS Sales May Boost Rohm Earnings, Sawamura Says April 19, 2010, 8:15 PM EDT
April 20 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc.’s iPad and Nintendo Co.’s 3DS game player may help boost earnings at Rohm Co., which makes chips for the devices.
The products “will certainly help boost our sales,” Rohm Chief Executive Satoshi Sawamura said yesterday in an interview, declining to specify details. “Apple and Nintendo are among our most important clients.”
Sawamura, who this month became the second president in Rohm’s 56-year history, is counting on Apple’s tablet computer and Nintendo’s 3-D portable game player to help sales rebound from the 12 year low in the year ended March 2009. He’s also seeking acquisitions to help the company sustain earnings growth.
“Our businesses have been stronger than expected this year,” Sawamura, 60, said in Kyoto, where the chipmaker is based. “We’re keen to gain technologies we don’t have through acquisitions.”
Apple postponed iPad’s international debut last week because orders for the device were coming in faster than it could fill them. Nintendo, the world’s biggest maker of game players, said last week its forthcoming 3-D model will be its biggest portable product since 2004.
Ken Toyoda, a Kyoto-based spokesman for Nintendo, declined to comment, citing the company’s policy not to discuss suppliers. Jill Tan, a Hong Kong-based spokeswoman for Apple, wasn’t available for comment.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2010, 01:30:50 PM
3DS might get an earlier release than we expected (worse case scenario.... Oct. JPN, Jan. N.A., Mar. EUR) Nintendo 3DS vs Sony Move vs MS Natal - FIGHT
3DS to launch in October (http://www.edge-online.com/news/3ds-to-launch-in-october-report) (WorldWide?)
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Nintendo's 3DS will be released a full two months in advance of Christmas this year, CVG can reveal.
UK industry sources have today informed us that the platform holder is readying an October launch for the system - which it will announce at E3.
That means it will go head-to-head with Microsoft's own great hardware hope this winter, Project Natal.
News of an October launch was a surprise for the execs we spoke to - as Nintendo had only previously announced that the handheld would hit shelves before March, 2011.
An October launch pre-dates that expiry date by a full six months - and gives Nintendo a three-month run-up to Christmas.
One very senior publishing source told CVG: "It's a surprise - we were expecting it much closer to Christmas. But I suppose it gives Nintendo the opportunity to get it front and centre in people's minds nice and early.
"In my experience, you don't launch a product that early to Christmas unless you're confident in it - and going to spend a lot of money on it. We're reassured that Nintendo is going to give it some decent backing in Q4."
The 3DS allows gamers to enjoy software with 3D effects without the need for any special glasses - but will also play regular DS titles.
Professor Layton developer Level 5 is reportedly creating a custom 3D game for the system.
Nintendo describes it as 'the new portable game machine to succeed [the] Nintendo DS series'. Take from that what you will.
CVG asked Cambridge University 3D experts how the device might work earlier this year.
We haven't yet got hold of a specific launch date - but Sunday, October 10 (10/10/10) is surely a front runner.
Nintendo told CVG today's story was merely "rumour and speculation". We get that a lot.
I really hope its a massive WorldWide Release with enormous marketing. It's gonna be so fun to see The Big 3 square off at E3 for mindshare and then again in October for marketshare.
With the fact that the sources are from the UK and saying it's an Oct. release, and we know that this will hit Japan first, we can assume that the UK sources are saying that it will also release in the UK in Oct., right? And if it is gonna hit the Japan and the UK (and the rest of Europe) in October, then it should be pretty safe to assume that Nintendo is also aiming to get it out in the US at the same time, so we can conclude that they are implying a WorldWide release.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on April 20, 2010, 06:24:26 PM
...Now I feel ripped buying a DSi...
Should have just bought another Lite for the GBA slot and held on. :P
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 20, 2010, 11:57:41 PM
It's nothing but a rumor. The 3DS still just has a TBA release date.
BlackNMild, "we" don't know what region the 3DS will come out first in, especially since the Wii and DS launched in North America first. If anything, that indicates that North America is likely to get the 3DS first. In fact, the most likely scenario (IF this rumor is true) is that North America would get the 3DS in late September, followed by Japan and Europe.
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Post by: Spinnzilla on April 21, 2010, 12:11:46 AM
WHAT ABOUT POKEMANZ?
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Post by: Stratos on April 21, 2010, 01:16:29 AM
Japan got the DSi and the DSi XL first.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2010, 01:35:27 AM
and the GBA too; TJ already destroyed his own argument in the blog thread.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 21, 2010, 09:58:01 PM
I'm talking about the actual main systems, not revisions. I didn't say every system either, I said the last 2 systems have launched in North America first. So my argument is still valid.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2010, 01:12:59 PM
Nintendo Extends S3 Texture Compression License (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28244/Nintendo_Extends_S3_Texture_Compression_License.php) to be used in the 3DS?
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Nintendo and S3 Graphics have extended a licensing agreement that will see the console manufacturer make further use of S3's S3TC texture compression algorithms, continuing a decade-long parternship.
The two companies began their texture compression relationship in the late 1990s, when S3 announced it had licensed S3TC to Nintendo for its upcoming then-codenamed Dolphin console, which was eventually marketed as the Nintendo GameCube. The technology has been employed by Nintendo ever since.
Nintendo may be extending its license to apply the tech to its upcoming 3DS portable console, a more powerful Nintendo DS successor that will incorporate stereoscopic 3D graphics.
"This agreement furthers our dedication to providing our game developers with leading compression technology to enable them to deliver the best possible gaming experience," said Nintendo Integrated Research and Development Division GM Genyo Takeda in a statement. "We look forward to continuing our licensing arrangement with S3 Graphics."
S3 says its texture compression tools allow for up to six-fold compression without affecting visual fidelity.
Added S3 Graphics GM Dr. Ken Weng, "The license agreement reaffirms S3 Graphics' S3TC texture compression technology as the industry standard for both PC and game console graphics."
More fuel for the shrunken GC hardware in the next DS? or just securing rights to keep making Wiis (which has a GC in it)? Only time will tell.
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Post by: MegaByte on April 27, 2010, 01:32:23 PM
Maybe, maybe not. Nintendo reuses a lot of their tools across platforms, so it makes sense to keep the 3DS compatible with other Nintendo formats, and compression like this is probably even more useful on a portable than on a home console.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2010, 03:06:55 PM
To my understanding DS already uses compression, just not S3 texture compression.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 02, 2010, 05:32:12 PM
I don't want coming out of the screen...that is lame. I like the depth into the screen. That was most of Avatar's tricks and it worked well.
If the image came out of the screen, wouldn't it potentially block buttons from view and hinder functionality?
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2010, 08:08:17 PM
Chozo, no it wouldn't...because 3D is just tricking your eyes, into seeing 3 dimensional objects in space....when an actual 3D object with real dimensions gets in the way of the 3D it usually disrupts the effect of the 3D coming at you. But in the case of a 3DS the screen is so small it wouldn't actually be big enough to block buttons...unless you are talking about virtual buttons on the touch screen.
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Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 03, 2010, 04:52:06 PM
Could it interfere with the touchscreen, though? Let's say you want to touch something on the screen but something else gets projected over it. Would that cause some issues?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2010, 04:58:36 PM
no. you've got your understanding of 3D displayed a little messed up.
The 3D should give the illusion of depth and the illusion of popping off the screen, but only within the confines of the edges of the screen. There is no actual projection off of the screen, this is not Star Wars technology.
What I mean by illusions is that an image can appear to be floating just in front of the screen, but only if you are looking at it from the right angle. The same with depth. You cannot move around the DS unit and view an object from different angles. It's just a way to trick the brain into thinking that an image on a flat 2D surface has actual 3 dimensional depth by moving into or out of the screen.
I hope that helps.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2010, 08:59:04 PM
"If you try to make something that's not in a 3D world into 3D, you'll probably have some cost. However, I don't really feel that there's any substance to that. Naturally, you won't make a game interesting by just making the visuals 3D. It's when you offer an interactive experience in the 3D visuals as part of a set with something that is interesting that you first have value as entertainment. Regarding this, there's still no foundation, and it's an area that requires trial and error. It is that trial and error alone that could see an increase in development cost. However, the trial and error is there for any development where you try to make new entertainment experiences, and not just 3D."
Quote from: Iwata
Iwata said that he wouldn't respond to rumors. However, he added, "When we made the 3DS, we wanted to make it into a platform that would attract a wide variety of things, from high end games to extremely casual games."
Just wanted to highlite both quotes since they both seemed very interesting.
3D is not the only feature being introduced and is just part of the 3DS package that we are soon to be shown. Some of us already knew that, some of us probably still don't believe. But E3 is about 1 month away and the HYPE TRAIN has already left the station.
But my attention is also piqued at the mention of 3DS supporting High-End Games. I hoping that means there is high-end hardware for those high-end games and we are in for a treat this June.
That leaves us just one more quote
Quote from: Iwata
Iwata responded that while Nintendo doesn't necessarily feel that the current game machine model will last forever, they also feel that for the time being, the notion of game hardware will not become antiquated and go away. "If you ask why we make game consoles, it's because we believe that 'offering experiences that cannot be done on other devices' is our life line. With that meaning, offering software for a multi purpose multimedia device is, for us, an area of work that we have least interest in." And driving the point across further, he said, "If we were to stop and do nothing, the current game system framework would probably become antiquated, but because we continue to offer new things, we don't feel at all that this will happen. We've not once thought things like 'we'll be behind the times, so we should enter social games.'"
I know that Nintendo has added some multimedia capabilities to the DSi, but could they be taking it a step further with the 3DS since it will be more capable hardware? Nintendo doesn't want to be "antiquated" and something like Netflix Steaming and SDcard movie playback would be a HUGE Bonus selling point for just about anyone looking for a portable gaming device that can do more than just gaming.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 10, 2010, 09:49:03 PM
EXTREMELY CASUAL
THAT'S WHAT WILLIS WAS TALKIN' 'BOUT
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 11, 2010, 12:14:44 PM
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Nintendo doesn't want to be "antiquated" and something like Netflix Steaming and SDcard movie playback would be a HUGE Bonus selling point for just about anyone looking for a portable gaming device that can do more than just gaming.
I think Nintendo has a different definition of "antiquated". If you consider things like Netflix Steaming and SDcard movie playback as something that would keep a system from being antiquated then the Wii was antiquated before it was even released. What Nintendo means is that if they don't do different stuff then the videogame industry as a whole will become stale.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2010, 01:24:18 PM
I realize that, but Netflix streaming and SD card movie playback are basically free additions since the hardware will already be capable of it.
The 3DS will have wifi and if it uses a Tegra level chip, it will have the processing and multimedia capabilities to playback/stream movies.
I don't know if you missed the article where Iwata calls Apple their biggest threat (in reference to the iPhone/iPodTouch/iPad), but that comment alone makes it seem that they are not trying to make the DS brand into an iPhone, but they could allow certain things that the hardware is capable of since people are more likely to carry around a device that can do more than one thing.
the 3DS will play games (it's primary function) will have cameras (at least 2 cameras - I'm hoping for 4 though<3D pictures>) will have Wifi (full internet capability with <flash support?>) will have an SD card slot (for storage of pics, game saves, audio, etc etc.) will have a mic (recording sounds and voice commands) will have a touch screen (hopefully multi-touch and on both screens) will have 2 screen (supposedly with no gap, which means bigscreen in bookmode)
To have all that(wifi, multimedia, possible bigscreen in book mode) and not think about streaming Netflix from the start (think 3D movies on Netflix Streaming!!!) would be stupid. That would be a huge selling point and trump all of Sony's efforts without even breaking a sweat. It would be the 1st fully capable Netflix3D device which means they would get free advertising to the millions upon millions of current and future Netflix subscribers. Something that would cost your 1000's $$$ to do with a PS3 or set-top box since you need a 3D TV and expensive glasses. for a little more than the cost of the glasses alone, you could have your own 3DS that works out of the box.
to have all that (SD card slot, multimedia, possible bigscreen in book mode) and not allow multi-format media playback would be stupid. We're talking mp3, mpeg, avi, aac, mp4, or whatever other media formats are out there, otherwise you would just be crippling your own hardware for no reason. Allow it through an app download where the buyer pays any licensing fees for a specific format, and there you go. take movies like the digital download copy of their DVD/BRD movies and play them on the 3DS.
to have all that (cameras, mic, multimedia, touch screen, sd card) and not allow me to film movies(in 3D?) & take pictures (in 3D) using my 3DS, edit my movies/pics on my 3DS and save them to an SD card, upload them online where other people can check them out and use their 3DS to also view them would be an incredibly wasted opportunity to put 3D in everyone's hands including the most casual of casuals.
For Nintendo to have the capability to do all of that out of the box but not plan for the 3DS to be that functional(sufficient RAM & processing power) would make the device antiquated. We all love our portable game machine, but if you want me to remember to carry it everywhere I go and for it to become a piece of everyone's daily life in someway so that you eventually pick it up to play games every once in a while, then you need to give it more purpose. a 3D picture taking, 3D video filming, 3D media editing, 3D movie playing/streaming, wifi enabled internet surfing portable game playing device sounds like something I could use everyday even if I don't always have time to play games.
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Post by: Stogi on May 11, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
this hype train is getting derailed into crazy town
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2010, 05:17:29 PM
You were never on board in the first place.
And you forget that the GBA played movies The DSi takes and stores pictures (not sure about movies, but it is possible)
all the tech is there, Nintendo just has to let it od what it's capable of. I'm not talking about them building the 3DS around it's multimedia capabilities, but to keep these extra capabilities in mind before they start scaling back on RAM to save a few pennies per unit. It might not even be things you see right out of the gate, but value that can be added later and resources that can be utilized by 3rd parties.
If Nintendo is gonna consider Apple their main threat going into the next generation of handhelds, then I would assume they are looking at what Apple has to offer and making sure that anything they put out from this point on, that has the ability to do than they currently need, won't immediately be scaled back and looked at as excessive and unnecessary cost.
If the 3DS has all the hardware tech built in from the start, why gimp the system and not allow it to add value through software updates giving extra usage to all the hardware that is already present.
In my mind that would be the equivalent of Michael Jordan being a member of the Bulls as a team mascot during his playing days instead of on the court where he could actually put all his talent to use. Or Tiger Woods as having been nothing more than a Professional Caddy for some 2 bit wanna be Golf Pro. It's an incredible waste of resources that are already present within system.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 11, 2010, 05:37:08 PM
I realize that, but Netflix streaming and SD card movie playback are basically free additions since the hardware will already be capable of it.
The 3DS will have wifi and if it uses a Tegra level chip, it will have the processing and multimedia capabilities to playback/stream movies.
I don't know if you missed the article where Iwata calls Apple their biggest threat (in reference to the iPhone/iPodTouch/iPad), but that comment alone makes it seem that they are not trying to make the DS brand into an iPhone, but they could allow certain things that the hardware is capable of since people are more likely to carry around a device that can do more than one thing.
the 3DS will play games (it's primary function) will have cameras (at least 2 cameras - I'm hoping for 4 though<3D pictures>) will have Wifi (full internet capability with <flash support?>) will have an SD card slot (for storage of pics, game saves, audio, etc etc.) will have a mic (recording sounds and voice commands) will have a touch screen (hopefully multi-touch and on both screens) will have 2 screen (supposedly with no gap, which means bigscreen in bookmode)
To have all that(wifi, multimedia, possible bigscreen in book mode) and not think about streaming Netflix from the start (think 3D movies on Netflix Streaming!!!) would be stupid. That would be a huge selling point and trump all of Sony's efforts without even breaking a sweat. It would be the 1st fully capable Netflix3D device which means they would get free advertising to the millions upon millions of current and future Netflix subscribers. Something that would cost your 1000's $$$ to do with a PS3 or set-top box since you need a 3D TV and expensive glasses. for a little more than the cost of the glasses alone, you could have your own 3DS that works out of the box.
to have all that (SD card slot, multimedia, possible bigscreen in book mode) and not allow multi-format media playback would be stupid. We're talking mp3, mpeg, avi, aac, mp4, or whatever other media formats are out there, otherwise you would just be crippling your own hardware for no reason. Allow it through an app download where the buyer pays any licensing fees for a specific format, and there you go. take movies like the digital download copy of their DVD/BRD movies and play them on the 3DS.
to have all that (cameras, mic, multimedia, touch screen, sd card) and not allow me to film movies(in 3D?) & take pictures (in 3D) using my 3DS, edit my movies/pics on my 3DS and save them to an SD card, upload them online where other people can check them out and use their 3DS to also view them would be an incredibly wasted opportunity to put 3D in everyone's hands including the most casual of casuals.
For Nintendo to have the capability to do all of that out of the box but not plan for the 3DS to be that functional(sufficient RAM & processing power) would make the device antiquated. We all love our portable game machine, but if you want me to remember to carry it everywhere I go and for it to become a piece of everyone's daily life in someway so that you eventually pick it up to play games every once in a while, then you need to give it more purpose. a 3D picture taking, 3D video filming, 3D media editing, 3D movie playing/streaming, wifi enabled internet surfing portable game playing device sounds like something I could use everyday even if I don't always have time to play games.
If your selling, I am buying. But you forgot to throw in a virtual handheld service and a more robust DSware servive, which is something that I want from the 3DS. Maybe a radio player along with the music player. I would like the ability to save pictures on the main screen of the device like a screen saver, or desktop image.
I hope that the graphics are atleast on par with that of the PSP. Hell, the 3DS could be the device that the PSP was not.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 11, 2010, 05:45:43 PM
As much as I hope I am wrong, I have a feeling you will be extremely disappointed. This is Nintendo we are talking about here remember?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Louieturkey on May 11, 2010, 06:13:43 PM
As much as I hope I am wrong, I have a feeling you will be extremely disappointed. This is Nintendo we are talking about here remember?
His plan is not to have it all in there but to hope it is all in there. He realistically does not believe it will all be included in the 3DS. But that was never the purpose of this hype train. This hype train was set out to throw everything and the kitchen sink of rumors all into one spot to be able to go back to them when the actual system is announced.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2010, 06:27:44 PM
I can only Hope Nintendo would let all the tech be used to it's fullest capability, but I don't actually expect them to allow everything possible just because it's possible.
But I am working with very little here, and I hope that most of my HYPE turns out to be true, but if they even come withing the ballpark of realizing some of the above, then I will be happy as it means that Nintendo has already done way more than any of you would have expected.
But seriously, I will be disappointed if there is no Netflix Streaming of the yet to be announced 3D movies on the yet to be announced Netflix 3D service for the yet to be revealed Nintendo 3DS. VERY DISAPPOINTED in Netflix and Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 11, 2010, 06:36:26 PM
I would be shocked if it does have Netflix streaming considering that no other mobile device (even iPhone/iPod Touch) has it.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2010, 06:52:41 PM
I would be shocked if it does have Netflix streaming considering that no other mobile device (even iPhone/iPod Touch) has it.
Netflix Streaming is coming to the iPhone/Touch soon; the Netflix CEO said so when they released the iPad app.
The thing is, BnM, that the system will be capable of doing these things, so even if they're not initially there, Nintendo (or the homebrew community) will be able to add them later.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2010, 08:24:46 PM
I would be shocked if it does have Netflix streaming considering that no other mobile device (even iPhone/iPod Touch) has it.
Netflix Streaming is coming to the iPhone/Touch soon; the Netflix CEO said so when they released the iPad app.
The thing is, BnM, that the system will be capable of doing these things, so even if they're not initially there, Nintendo (or the homebrew community) will be able to add them later.
I know, but what frustrates me is that Nintendo won't make it official so that it can tie into the natural way the system works. Especially if they use some sort of background OS this time around. How sweet would Wii games be if they could be programmed with HDD support and SDHC support from the beginning? if I could pay the $0.50 for a DVD licensed app and use my Wii as an extra DVD player? use the ubisoft camera for a video chat/wiispeak app or something along those lines. Maybe even games could take advantage of those features.
The hardware is capable so why is Nintendo so reluctant?
My hope is that with them taking the threat of Apple so seriously, they may not be quite so reluctant next time around.
I appreciate what the Homebrew community has been able to do, but I want it to be supported official and usable by everyone, including the licensed developers.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 11, 2010, 08:29:17 PM
If Nintendo does have a universal OS, like on the 360, they could patch support for things like that in seamlessly later on, if they felt like it, and I think such an OS would be likely.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2010, 08:40:17 PM
Well with rumors flying around about the Ningoogle OS, I hope so. It would only make sense. Nintendo got caught with their pants down using the WTF system they had for the Wii where something as simple as a patch for the SD card didn't allow older games access to it.
It probably a reason why they never bothered to upgrade the amount of internal mem, since the games and channels would only read a certain amount because of the ridiculously short-sightedness of Nintendos programming. A background OS could have solved almost all of the Wii's problems this gen (except for possibly resolution output), so I really hope that some sort of UOS is used in not only the 3DS but the Wii2H3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 11, 2010, 10:59:03 PM
Well with rumors flying around about the Ningoogle OS, I hope so. It would only make sense. Nintendo got caught with their pants down using the WTF system they had for the Wii where something as simple as a patch for the SD card didn't allow older games access to it.
It probably a reason why they never bothered to upgrade the amount of internal mem, since the games and channels would only read a certain amount because of the ridiculously short-sightedness of Nintendos programming. A background OS could have solved almost all of the Wii's problems this gen (except for possibly resolution output), so I really hope that some sort of UOS is used in not only the 3DS but the Wii2H3D.
What is UOS and OS what significane does it have for the wii?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2010, 11:17:53 PM
UOS = Universal Operating System or an operating system that is always running in the background much like Windows, Android or iPhone OS.
The current system Nintendo uses each game works with a specific firmware set and if you update the firmware, it won't apply to the game not made specifically for it. Using an UOS the game would work with it directly and you can update the UOS as you please and the game should continue to work with the UOS as it's currently set up.
for example.
Today you can't play Mario Kart Wii with Wii Speak since it wasn't designed to use it. but with a UOS you could patch in Wii Speak support to the UOS and it would now work with the game because the game is designed to work with the UOS and not a specific firmware.
Did I explain this right? I couldn't put it the way I wanted to.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 12, 2010, 12:47:23 AM
UOS = Universal Operating System or an operating system that is always running in the background much like Windows, Android or iPhone OS.
The current system Nintendo uses each game works with a specific firmware set and if you update the firmware, it won't apply to the game not made specifically for it. Using an UOS the game would work with it directly and you can update the UOS as you please and the game should continue to work with the UOS as it's currently set up.
for example.
Today you can't play Mario Kart Wii with Wii Speak since it wasn't designed to use it. but with a UOS you could patch in Wii Speak support to the UOS and it would now work with the game because the game is designed to work with the UOS and not a specific firmware.
Did I explain this right? I couldn't put it the way I wanted to.
I understand now, thank you very much for the information. What kind of graphics do you thing the 3DS will have? Will it have gamecube level, which I doubt, or will it be something like the current PSP?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 12, 2010, 01:16:12 AM
I feel the UOS is the next step for Nintendo. And if they are smart they will put part of it online. I like how the WiiWare keeps track of all the games you have bought...but I think this needs to be pushed further. It should just be called. NintendoWare. And games that are compatible with each system is available to download for that system attached to the account. When you purchase the game you purchase the right to download it to 1 home console and 1 portable device. This means you can build a virtual library that can be with you and be forwards compatible with new consoles and handhelds.
Also, they can retrofit this service and allow those that bought digital games to transfer them into a system...even if they don't have a console currently. That would be a big step to making digital distribution more viable for the consumer.
Now, of course you can have the standard background features like universal Wii Speak Support, Chat, Mii integration for avatars and what not set up in the UOS for the next Nintendo systems...and the UOS once built and updated will be the building block for all future systems to ensure perfect backwards compatibility...and like I said forward compatibility.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on May 12, 2010, 02:10:51 AM
I like Spak's concept. Sound's a bit like a Nintendo branded Steam system.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on May 12, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
BnM: I'm the only one on this board who owns Nintendo stock (probably). If anyone wants Nintendo to come out with some suped-up handheld that does everything, plays everything, and isn't the next PSP, it's me. Trust me on that. I'm extremely excited to see what's in store.
That said, i'd rather be reserved than disappointed.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2010, 02:42:55 PM
Then the HYPE TRAIN isn't the ride you want.
You want Realistic Expectations Trolley 3 blocks down the street or the Expect Less Express on the other side of town. This is the boarding station for THE HYPE TRAIN!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 12, 2010, 02:48:11 PM
I want new WiFi PedoChat.
Actually use it as a useful alternative to in-game keyboard chat and awful Wii Spaek while I waggle with the other Reggie Karters.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2010, 02:53:26 PM
It's gotta use the camera so they can see what you're wagglin ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 12, 2010, 02:54:47 PM
Oh my, better use Protection.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
CHOOOO CHOOOO!!!! ALL ABOARD!!!!!!
Sharp Develops 3D Camera Module for Mobile Devices (http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/100512.html) Capable of Capturing High-Definition 3D Video Images, an Industry First (http://i41.tinypic.com/spw190.jpg)
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Sharp Corporation has developed a 3D camera module for mobile devices capable of capturing high-definition (720p*2) 3D video images, an industry first. Sharp will start shipping samples in July. Mass production of these modules will begin within 2010.
3D images are composed of two views taken using two cameras that simultaneously capture separate images for the right and left eyes. Consequently, a 3D camera requires peripheral circuitry to apply image processing to the two images, for example, to adjust color or to correct positioning between the images from the two cameras. Manufacturers have thus been pursuing designs that reduce the size and weight of 3D cameras and seeking ways to shorten their development period.
The current 3D camera module developed by Sharp incorporates functions to process the image data output by the left and right cameras, including Color Synchronizing Processing to adjust color and brightness, Timing Synchronizing Processing to synchronize the timing of the video signals, and Optical Axis Control Processing to correct positioning. In addition, Fast Readout Technology rapidly transfers video data from the image sensor, enabling 3D images to be captured in high-resolution HD mode. Further, in developing this camera module, Sharp applied high-density mounting technology nurtured over long years of experience in camera module development to achieve a compact form. Embedding this camera module in mobile devices such as digital cameras, mobile phones, and smartphones will contribute to the development of a wide range of new, innovative communications tools.
In the future, Sharp will be opening up new 3D markets based on 3D display technologies, including small/medium-size and large-size 3D LCDs, as well as on 3D input device technologies such as 3D camera modules.
There is no mention of video game or handhelds specifically, but that means nothing at this point. We know they are coming this year and being mass produced this year and the only device that we know of so far that would be perfect for this (using one set on the inside and one set on the outside) is the 3DS. Mass production would need to be started soon for this thing to ship in atleast one market(Japan) before this year is over.
Fingers crossed.
more pics: text is in Japanese though http://www.sharp.co.jp/corporate/report/3d-camera/index.html http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20100512_366411.html
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2010, 08:42:10 PM
Is the DS/i(XL) about to get a nice price drop this Xmas? or is the 3DS gonna be kinda expensive($200-$250)?
Thus I believe we will see a huge difference among countries on Nintendo DS sales after we actually make new proposals with Nintendo 3DS, due to price gaps between Nintendo 3DS and existing Nintendo DS family, and consumers’ acceptance of it.”
I hoping for the prior and not the latter. If 3DS is everything I've been HYPING it to be(see early posts), then I have no problem with a $250 price point, but if certain Expect Less Expressers happen to be right, then $179.99 better be the high ceiling of consideration.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2010, 09:25:23 PM
Sharp Develops 3D Camera Module for Mobile Devices (http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/100512.html) Capable of Capturing High-Definition 3D Video Images, an Industry First (http://i41.tinypic.com/spw190.jpg)
Sharp Conjures Up World's First 3D Camera For Phones—and the Nintendo 3DS? (http://gizmodo.com/5536877/sharp-conjures-up-worlds-first-3d-camera-for-phonesand-the-nintendo-3ds?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29)
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Designed for mobile devices such as phones, digital cameras or even netbooks, Sharp's 3D camera module will start mass production this year—meaning within the next couple of years we could be shooting image-popping HD 3D video.
While Sharp isn't known for phones in our parts, if you walk into any store in Japan you'll be bowled over by dozens of their candy-colored models. These 3D cameras could first be trialled in Japan, but if successful be licensed out to other manufacturers to tantalize us with eye-popping possibilities.
The obvious question, of course, is why you'd want a 3D camera on your phone in the first place? Fujifilm's FinePix Real 3D W1 digital camera hasn't exactly taken off (do you know anyone who's even considered buying one, let alone laid down 600 big ones for it?), so why should a 3D video camera on a phone?
Again, it seems like one of those situations where British explorer George Mallory's reply when asked why he wanted to climb Mount Everest ("because it's there") seems suitable. Or, perhaps more people want to make their very own Avatars than I originally thought.
While Sharp's press release on the subject mentioned simply "digital cameras, mobile phones, and smartphones," we must remember that Nintendo's 3DS is rumored to be using Sharp's glasses-less parallax barrier technology in its displays. With the latest crop of DSis having dual cameras it's not entirely unfathomable that these 3D camera modules could be first seen in a certain portable gaming console—due for release sometime before April 2011.
However it's used, Sharp's 3D camera will be able to capture 720p video in 3D, an industry first for mobile devices. Does that sound like something you'd use often on your phone, or will it be relegated to the novelty folder of your apps?
Looks like Gizmondo is on the same page as me (see my earlier post) with the Nintendo -> Sharp connection/ 3D Screen -> 3D Cameras possibility.
lets hope Nintendo is really trying to WOW us this time around.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 13, 2010, 09:35:18 PM
Nintendo GAMECUBE ports INCOMING
in 3D
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: King of Twitch on May 13, 2010, 09:46:48 PM
I don't know if this is the right place for this, but it seems like the 3DS is the perfect match for this tech.
Virtual reality used to transfer men's minds into a woman's body http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/12/virtual-reality-men-woman-body (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/12/virtual-reality-men-woman-body)
Imagine the Link/Zelda swapping mechanics
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Shaymin on May 13, 2010, 11:39:05 PM
I wonder how many of those guys tried to play with the new, um, "toys" when they got in the simulator?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Adrock on May 14, 2010, 12:10:18 AM
I would never buy a handheld for $250. Never ever ever. I didn't buy a PSP until it was $179 and even then, I got a free 4GB memory card. I think it's bogus that some DS games are $35-$40. Only once did I pay $40 for a DS game and that was for Chrono Trigger. I already own the SNES cart, but I wanted to support the non-existent Chrono 3 cause. /facepalm
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on May 14, 2010, 02:01:03 PM
I don't know if this is the right place for this, but it seems like the 3DS is the perfect match for this tech.
Virtual reality used to transfer men's minds into a woman's body http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/12/virtual-reality-men-woman-body (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/12/virtual-reality-men-woman-body)
Imagine the Link/Zelda swapping mechanics
God damn I love this post!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2010, 02:16:11 AM
Analyst: Nintendo Expects to Sell 5 Million 3DS Units by March 2011 (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3179307) Nintendo's financial predictions also suggest the 3DS will be released by November.
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Nintendo hasn't announced any official launch details for the (tentatively named) Nintendo 3DS handheld, but it looks like their financial forecasts hold more clues than one would expect. In a new note on Industry Gamers, Electronic Entertainment Design and Research analyst Jesse Divnich parses Nintendo's sales expectations for the DS, and determines the company will likely launch the 3DS in two regions by November, and expects to sell 5 million units by March 2011. These numbers are arrived at by looking at Nintendo's overall DS sales expectations through the rest of the fiscal year (ending March, 2011). "According to their expected Nintendo DS and 3DS sales (they combine both sales into one category) our estimates indicate that Nintendo is expecting the 3DS to sell 5 million units by March 2011," Divnich writes. "Given historical sales of the Nintendo DS, which coincidently sold 5 million units through March 2005, Nintendo is likely to announce that the 3DS will be available in at least two regions beginning in November 2010. Additionally, they are likely to reveal the project's actual name [at E3]."
A previous rumor had the 3DS's release pegged for October, but either way, this would still have the new handheld on store shelves by the holiday season. Nintendo has only officially stated the handheld would be out in Japan before March 2011.
Elsewhere in his note, Divnich says he expects E3 2010 will be an "inflection point for the industry," with much depending on how well Microsoft's Project Natal, Sony's Move motion controller, and the 3DS are received by the press and public. "Either E3 2010 acts as a positive catalyst and boosts industry confidence, or it reinforces the negative notions about the long-term viability of traditional gaming," Divnich writes. "The results will fall on either extreme, and my vote is that E3 2010 will be the best industry event in the history of modern gaming."
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Caterkiller on May 15, 2010, 07:29:24 PM
The expect less express?! That's rich! HAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on May 17, 2010, 09:18:41 AM
The idea of this system intrigues me, and the fact that Old Bones Nintendo is the first to have a fully-purposed 3D system in the market frankly blows my mind... Having said that.... I'm struggling to see how this will be used to actually improve gameplay. Will it look good? Almost definitely. Will it be full of social media? Almost definitely. Are the games going to get better? That's yet to be seen. Perhaps I'm just impatient, E3 isn't that far away, but I'm curious as to what other people are thinking as far as games and gaming on the system.
Edit: Just saw this:http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/17/is-this-a-prototype-of-the-nintendo-3ds/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/17/is-this-a-prototype-of-the-nintendo-3ds/)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on May 17, 2010, 10:01:46 AM
The idea of this system intrigues me, and the fact that Old Bones Nintendo is the first to have a fully-purposed 3D system in the market frankly blows my mind... Having said that.... I'm struggling to see how this will be used to actually improve gameplay. Will it look good? Almost definitely. Will it be full of social media? Almost definitely. Are the games going to get better? That's yet to be seen. Perhaps I'm just impatient, E3 isn't that far away, but I'm curious as to what other people are thinking as far as games and gaming on the system.
Edit: Just saw this:http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/17/is-this-a-prototype-of-the-nintendo-3ds/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/17/is-this-a-prototype-of-the-nintendo-3ds/)
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It looks like Nintendo may have managed to run an early prototype of its upcoming 3D handheld, the 3DS (http://www.engadget.com/tag/3ds), through the FCC without anyone noticing -- well, for a few weeks, anyway. The filing was made available on April 30 and Wireless Goodness spotted it, posting the image above showing what looks more like an ATX motherboard than a handheld gaming platform. But, what wasn't noticed at the time was the aspect ratio of the top screen (in the middle of the circuitry): it's 16:9, while every other Nintendo handheld to date has of course been 4:3. That aspect ratio matches the 3.4-inch parallax barrier display from Sharp, the one that just about everyone is expecting will be featured in the device. Connecting the dots, this could be a prototype 3DS in the flesh, dubbed the "CTR." Given that Nintendo called the DSi (http://www.engadget.com/tag/nintendodsi) the "TWL" the XL (http://www.engadget.com/tag/dsixl) the "UTL," even the naming scheme fits in. Sadly the FCC images have since been pulled, but we look forward to seeing a rather more petite version of the thing at E3 next month.
I'm even more stoked now.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 17, 2010, 12:49:30 PM
Supposedly the 3DS will have stereoscopic speakers and the screens will display in 4:3 ratio. What does this mean?
It means you need to re-read what they said. the current DS has 4:3 ratio (pic shows one screen is 16x9) and stereo speakers are expected since every DS has had them.
Quote from: eurogamer
However, the twin screen arrangement on this system is unlike anything seen in any current DS system. All DS systems released to date feature dual 4:3 screens, but what we are clearly seeing here is a widescreen display paired with the more traditional display. [...] It's a shame that the only photograph we have is low-resolution, making in-depth examination of the setup of the board all but impossible. However, we do see the inclusion of stereo speakers, a slot for DS cartridges plus the usual SD card port too - standard for the normal DS of course, but expected for the new hardware any way.
reading comprehension FTW ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2010, 01:14:31 PM
I was just coming to post this story, glad someone already got to it before me.
Bit since the actual story wasn't cataloged in the thread, I'll post it anyway.
FCC posted a pic of possible 3DS motherboard? (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3179334) (http://i40.tinypic.com/14ngr2q.jpg)
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Nintendo is likely still upset its hand was forced (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178554) into prematurely announcing (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178454) the existence of their next handheld, the 3DS. Now it looks like images of what might be a prototype 3DS motherboard have been leaked by way of an FCC filing, as discovered by Wireless Goodness (via Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-3ds-dev-motherboard-sighted)). The image seen above has since been removed from the filing, which is for a Nintendo DS CTR. As noted by Eurogamer, previous DS incarnations have used three-letter codenames, such as TWL (the DSi) and UTL (DSi XL), but CTR has never before appeared, suggesting this is a new system, though it doesn't definitively prove that this is the 3DS. While it seems unlikely that Nintendo would be working on yet another iteration of the standard DS, they did release the Game Boy Micro nearly a year after the release of the original DS, so it's not impossible that this is another, non-3DS DS. The biggest hint that this is more than a mere upgrade of the DS is the top of the two screens seen in the image of the motherboard. Unlike every DS released to date, the two screens shown aren't the same aspect ratio. There have been rumors of a widescreen DS system for years and it looks as if Nintendo's next handheld might just be that. But, again, it's hardly undeniable proof that this is the 3DS.
Wireless Goodness points out that it's entirely possible that the filing is not for the 3DS, but is instead to simply update the WLAN card used in the current line of DS systems. Whatever it is, the motherboard above is not the one you'll see in systems that end up on store shelves. The board itself is obviously far too large to be in a handheld system; it's likely just being used during the testing process. As for the inclusion of widescreen, we'll likely get confirmation of it one way or the other from Nintendo at E3 next month.
I'm really hoping that the 3DS uses 2 screens of the same size(16x9), both have 3D and atleast one(the bottom screen) is a touch screen. This will allow for bigscreen 3D in bookmode (come one Netflix 3D) assuming the rumor about virtually no gap between the screens is true.
edit: I switched my post around so this story was first on the new page.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on May 17, 2010, 01:32:22 PM
I was hoping the same, but that pic is being more and more verified as the 3DS. If you look under the smaller(touch) screen you can see a joystick knob(which for me says its more than an update to the WLAN card) and the ten buttons in what is likely from left to right going clockwise: the d-pad, L, R, ABXY, Start, Select. Looks like top screen 3D, and bottom screen touch. So unless the top screen can rotate I don't even see how they would share video. But when you consider that the top screen could be 3.4" (compared with the iPhone's 3.5" screen) the bottom screen isn't really necessary for viewing purposes. The play controls would then obviously be kept on the bottom screen providing quick and easy access via the touch screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2010, 01:43:12 PM
Kotaku has insiders, reaffirms us of 3DS' 3Dness (http://kotaku.com/5540414/nintendo-stresses-glasses+free-aspect-of-nintendo-3ds)
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While Nintendo possibly isn't showing the Nintendo 3DS until the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles, today in Tokyo, Nintendo provided vague hints about what is to come. Several insiders tell Kotaku that Nintendo Chief Financial Officer Yoshihiro Mori played things close to his vest, unwilling to divulge too much about the upcoming Nintendo 3DS. However, he did mention that Nintendo had spent a great deal of money developing the upcoming handheld gaming device.
Nintendo did state that the Nintendo 3DS would have ample security. This makes sense in light of Nintendo's crackdown on piracy. While unconfirmed, it is assumed that Nintendo will be using DRM-outfitted cartridges for the upcoming handheld.
And while the product's reveal (http://kotaku.com/5499697/nintendo-announces-new-hardware-the-nintendo-3ds) might have seen sudden and strange even (http://kotaku.com/5506002/weird-3ds-reveal-was-journalists-fault), Nintendo stated that it has been developing this new portable device for a significant period of time. Nintendo is always developing new products, but the reason why this product has made its way out of R&D is because the technology that powers the device is now at a reasonable price.
Mori pointed out that the 3D aspect is integral to the Nintendo 3DS — interesting that it is integral, because it is possible to switch off 3D (http://kotaku.com/5533924/nintendos-3d-can-be-switched-off-but-what-does-this-mean-for-games) — and that is will certainly be used to sell the portable and the game software. More interesting is that Mori stated that the Nintendo 3DS's 3D is not akin to the pseudo 3D for Nintendo DSiWare game Looksey's Line Up.
Instead, Mori described the Nintendo 3DS's 3D as being like the 3D you'd see on a 3D TV screen, but minus the glasses — perhaps like this Sharp display (http://kotaku.com/5509661/will-the-nintendo-3ds-screen-look-like-this). But while the Nintendo 3DS might give players the sensation of watching a 3D TV without the glasses, the fact that it is a gaming handheld means that it offers a completely new and different experience from 3D televisions.
It seems like Nintendo is hoping to use 3D in a new way — as opposed to passively viewing 3D images.
Nothing really new here, but I'll summarize it below.
Nintendo spent alot of money making the 3DS (we've seen the R&D spending) Piracy Protection is a main focus (we've seen patents for new cartridges) 3D on 3DS is like 3D for movies minus the glasses (most of us knew that too)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2010, 01:51:59 PM
I was hoping the same, but that pic is being more and more verified as the 3DS. If you look under the smaller(touch) screen you can see a joystick knob(which for me says its more than an update to the WLAN card) and the ten buttons in what is likely from left to right going clockwise: the d-pad, L, R, ABXY, Start, Select. Looks like top screen 3D, and bottom screen touch. So unless the top screen can rotate I don't even see how they would share video. But when you consider that the top screen could be 3.4" (compared with the iPhone's 3.5" screen) the bottom screen isn't really necessary for viewing purposes. The play controls would then obviously be kept on the bottom screen providing quick and easy access via the touch screen.
Now that you point that out I do see it. I don't doubt it's the 3DS motherboard, I'm just hoping the bottom screen was a place holder for the FCC prototype.
I just really want Nintendo to not mess up potential for this handheld by doing things that won't make sense and only cost pennies more to do it right, while at the same time opening so much in the way of possible uses like giant screen bookmode 3D, one continuous 3D screen in regular mode and all the gaming and non-gaming applications that can be useful for.
The cost for an additional widescreen 3D touch screen will be marginalized by the success of the machine, and the extra function that it would provide is only another selling point for consumers and another bonus for developers. It's not exactly the type of thing you can just put in the next revision, so it needs to be done right the 1st time.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 17, 2010, 05:25:01 PM
I was hoping the same, but that pic is being more and more verified as the 3DS. If you look under the smaller(touch) screen you can see a joystick knob(which for me says its more than an update to the WLAN card) and the ten buttons in what is likely from left to right going clockwise: the d-pad, L, R, ABXY, Start, Select. Looks like top screen 3D, and bottom screen touch. So unless the top screen can rotate I don't even see how they would share video. But when you consider that the top screen could be 3.4" (compared with the iPhone's 3.5" screen) the bottom screen isn't really necessary for viewing purposes. The play controls would then obviously be kept on the bottom screen providing quick and easy access via the touch screen.
Now that you point that out I do see it. I don't doubt it's the 3DS motherboard, I'm just hoping the bottom screen was a place holder for the FCC prototype.
I just really want Nintendo to not mess up potential for this handheld by doing things that won't make sense and only cost pennies more to do it right, while at the same time opening so much in the way of possible uses like giant screen bookmode 3D, one continuous 3D screen in regular mode and all the gaming and non-gaming applications that can be useful for.
The cost for an additional widescreen 3D touch screen will be marginalized by the success of the machine, and the extra function that it would provide is only another selling point for consumers and another bonus for developers. It's not exactly the type of thing you can just put in the next revision, so it needs to be done right the 1st time.
Will that picture be the final 3DS, or is it just a just a prototype? I mean that thinglooks like a dinner plate and is something that seems like it is not a portable. Perhaps it is smaller that the picture reveals, but if not, I do not want something that sized. I am hoping the 3DS will be about the same size as the normal DSi, but with more stuff and bigger screens and more internal storage.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2010, 05:39:04 PM
The 3DS is gonna be a desktop computer....
It's a prototype motherboard made specifically to submit to the FCC (I believe that was mentioned in atleast 1 of the 3 articles posted or linked to in this thread about the motherboard.).
That motherboard is the size of a computer motherboard and couldn't be used in even the DSi XL as it's is far too large for that if you go by the size of the screens as a reference point.
So there is no need to worry. (the first comment was a joke btw)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 17, 2010, 05:39:42 PM
Of course it's final. Nintendo's providing a new way to hold portable gaming.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 17, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
It's not even confirmed to be part of the 3DS, it's just speculatio.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 17, 2010, 05:52:32 PM
Internet needs no confirmation. This is truly the Wii2HDZii3D.
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Post by: Adrock on May 17, 2010, 06:03:21 PM
Regarding the screens, I have a feeling the one is a placeholder since only one of the screens will be 3D which is lame. It doesn't make much sense for there to be 2 different sized screens considering quite of few DS games switch screens depending on the situation which I suppose would still be possible, just inconvenient and disorienting. I was hoping that both screens would be 3D, touch enabled, and would form one larger screen when opened completely. Silly me.
Actually looks like that motherboard could be a working devkit for the 3DS. If this pic is anything to goo by: http://i43.tinypic.com/99gnjo.jpg (http://i43.tinypic.com/99gnjo.jpg)
As we draw close to this year's E3 I am becoming increasingly restless towards the reveal of the 3DS. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? After seeing those pictures I am very worried that the 3DS will not be as compact as the older DS models.
If the top screen is bigger, could it be a sign that the 3DS will have a movie player?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 18, 2010, 12:24:09 AM
You're finally seeing the real world.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 18, 2010, 12:34:47 AM
I actually think if this is related to the 3DS you must remember 1 it is a prototype and 2, possibly even partially a development kit.
So, I fully expect Nintendo to have used material it had on hand to make the prototype potentially cheaper. So, I can see the smaller touch screen being used to show touch screen compatibility since it looking to being the same dimensions of the original DS. But when it comes to market I am sure it won't be the same.
I am also getting the feeling that only one screen will be 3D and possibly only one screen touch screen. Which I am completely ok with.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 12:57:23 AM
Actually looks like that motherboard could be a working devkit for the 3DS. If this pic is anything to goo by: http://i43.tinypic.com/99gnjo.jpg (http://i43.tinypic.com/99gnjo.jpg)
As we draw close to this year's E3 I am becoming increasingly restless towards the reveal of the 3DS. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? After seeing those pictures I am very worried that the 3DS will not be as compact as the older DS models.
If the top screen is bigger, could it be a sign that the 3DS will have a movie player?
I forgot to mention that that pic is of a GBA dev kit before there was physical GBA hardware.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 02:23:30 AM
Looks like there is a good chance that the 3DS name is final
That's all the proof I need to be honest. But now I wonder what 3DSPlay is. minigame collection meant to show off some system features like WiiPlay did for Wii?
DS Movie & DS Cinema bring me much hope for some Netflix 3DS
DS Message makes me think PictoChat is going internet enabled.
DS Music & DS Album will hopefully mean something other than Nintendo music and OSTs
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 18, 2010, 08:38:22 AM
Just remember some of these trademarks may just be made just in case Nintendo decides to use them...to protect them...but may or may not be in place.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 18, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
Based on the design and featutres of the DSi, I can be sure that Nintendo will include a music player on the 3DS with SD card support. Having the device as a big and bulky machine seems like a step backwards for Nintendo in regards to how compact the last couple of iterations of the DS were when they released. I see them taking the design of the DSi and improving upon it with all new bells and whistles.
Nintendo would be too foolish to not include some kind of movie player into the 3DS. I was at Kmart a few days ago and notice a MP4 video player for about twenty dollars. So, I would prefer to have one inside my 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 18, 2010, 12:02:58 PM
For everyone who's preparing to be disappointed, the line starts here.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 12:15:34 PM
For everyone who's preparing to be disappointed, the line starts here.
And I'm driving the HYPE TRAIN this year, so it should be a wild ride. FULL SPEED AHEAD! CHOO CHOO!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/3478xnl.jpg)
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 18, 2010, 12:58:01 PM
ALL ABOARD THE TRAIN WRECK
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 01:39:09 PM
It's gonna be glorious!!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on May 18, 2010, 02:09:08 PM
The 3DS could be Nintendo trying to steal some of Apple's market as Apple is trying to do to them... We already know that it is a dedicated 3D gaming machine with internet access, and some form of Netflix access (I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Netflix movies aren't the only playable movies). Throw in VoIP, mobile TV, music, an app store that sells more than games, an e-reader, maybe bluetooth, keep it around the size of the PSP while folded, and suddenly people may be looking at buying a 3DS instead of an iPhone 4G--if they market it properly and bundle AIM(or something else) in there so people can still text. The 3DS's top screen is likely going to be .1" smaller than that of the iPhone so if it can do everything it does, plus do 3D and serious gaming they would be in the same market. Of course if I'm going to imagine that Nintendo is that ambitious, I might as well imagine them partnering with Google and running Android on 3DS so the app store is full at launch, VoIP becomes easier, and Apple fan-boys would be in a rage.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Caterkiller on May 18, 2010, 02:21:39 PM
For everyone who's preparing to be disappointed, the line starts here.
And I'm driving the HYPE TRAIN this year, so it should be a wild ride. FULL SPEED AHEAD! CHOO CHOO!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/3478xnl.jpg)
How can someone not love that? I have to laugh everytime I see it! Hype Train, yeah...
Ningurl have fun on the Expect Less Express. You guys are too funny.
After so many records were broken and Nintendo finally surpassed it's predecessors with Wii and DS I be we will get an "all out" hand held and home console. They made too much money (which according to some of you doesn't physically exist) to not have some super hi end features.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 02:33:51 PM
The 3DS could be Nintendo trying to steal some of Apple's market as Apple is trying to do to them... We already know that it is a dedicated 3D gaming machine with internet access, and some form of Netflix access (I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Netflix movies aren't the only playable movies). Throw in VoIP, mobile TV, music, an app store that sells more than games, an e-reader, maybe bluetooth, keep it around the size of the PSP while folded, and suddenly people may be looking at buying a 3DS instead of an iPhone 4G--if they market it properly and bundle AIM(or something else) in there so people can still text. The 3DS's top screen is likely going to be .1" smaller than that of the iPhone so if it can do everything it does, plus do 3D and serious gaming they would be in the same market. Of course if I'm going to imagine that Nintendo is that ambitious, I might as well imagine them partnering with Google and running Android on 3DS so the app store is full at launch, VoIP becomes easier, and Apple fan-boys would be in a rage.
^That is the scenario I've been painting.
You should come check out my gallery some time.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on May 18, 2010, 04:27:21 PM
The 3DS could be Nintendo trying to steal some of Apple's market as Apple is trying to do to them... We already know that it is a dedicated 3D gaming machine with internet access, and some form of Netflix access (I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Netflix movies aren't the only playable movies). Throw in VoIP, mobile TV, music, an app store that sells more than games, an e-reader, maybe bluetooth, keep it around the size of the PSP while folded, and suddenly people may be looking at buying a 3DS instead of an iPhone 4G--if they market it properly and bundle AIM(or something else) in there so people can still text. The 3DS's top screen is likely going to be .1" smaller than that of the iPhone so if it can do everything it does, plus do 3D and serious gaming they would be in the same market. Of course if I'm going to imagine that Nintendo is that ambitious, I might as well imagine them partnering with Google and running Android on 3DS so the app store is full at launch, VoIP becomes easier, and Apple fan-boys would be in a rage.
That sounds like a 400 dollar piece of tech.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 18, 2010, 04:47:45 PM
The 3DS could be Nintendo trying to steal some of Apple's market as Apple is trying to do to them... We already know that it is a dedicated 3D gaming machine with internet access, and some form of Netflix access
Yeah, the Netflix part is only idle wishing on fans part. It's never even been hinted at that Netflix support will happen.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 04:49:47 PM
But the tech for all of it is (technically) already in the DSi, it's just a matter of making software to do it and enabling the hardware to use the software.
If the 3DS is around GC power and has atleast as much RAM as the Wii (please be 128MB or more) while maintaining every feature of the DSi (2 cameras, SD card, internal flash, touch screen) while improving upon each of them, there is no reason that 3DS couldn't do all that with relative ease.
I think the biggest hurdle is processing speed and having enough RAM. ram is dirt cheap and Nintendo just needs to not cheap out on the dual CPU set that they are gonna use. Just 1 Tegra 2 SoC paired with an ARM9 (or downclockable ARM11) for BC with DS will be way more than capable of handling all of those task as long as there is enough memory to do so(please be atleast 512MB of RAM).
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 04:53:44 PM
The 3DS could be Nintendo trying to steal some of Apple's market as Apple is trying to do to them... We already know that it is a dedicated 3D gaming machine with internet access, and some form of Netflix access
Yeah, the Netflix part is only idle wishing on fans part. It's never even been hinted at that Netflix support will happen.
Netflix has said on numerous occasions that they hope to support any hardware capable running the service. Putting their flagship 3D Movie Streaming service on the 1st viable, affordable and practical 3D viewing device would be a big win for both companies.
Netflix 3D doesn't actually exist yet, but neither does the 3DS, so there is nothing for either company to publicly talk about yet. I will be highly disappointed if it doesn't happen, and I'm 100% positive I am not alone in that.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 05:10:13 PM
Do you still have doubts that 3DS is the final name?
Quote from: neo2046
Nintendo scoops up multiple 3DS-related domain names http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-23732_et_si_la_3ds_sappelait_tout_simplement_la_nintendo_3ds_.htm (http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-23732_et_si_la_3ds_sappelait_tout_simplement_la_nintendo_3ds_.htm)
The 3DS could be Nintendo trying to steal some of Apple's market as Apple is trying to do to them... We already know that it is a dedicated 3D gaming machine with internet access, and some form of Netflix access (I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Netflix movies aren't the only playable movies). Throw in VoIP, mobile TV, music, an app store that sells more than games, an e-reader, maybe bluetooth, keep it around the size of the PSP while folded, and suddenly people may be looking at buying a 3DS instead of an iPhone 4G--if they market it properly and bundle AIM(or something else) in there so people can still text. The 3DS's top screen is likely going to be .1" smaller than that of the iPhone so if it can do everything it does, plus do 3D and serious gaming they would be in the same market. Of course if I'm going to imagine that Nintendo is that ambitious, I might as well imagine them partnering with Google and running Android on 3DS so the app store is full at launch, VoIP becomes easier, and Apple fan-boys would be in a rage.
After so many records were broken and Nintendo finally surpassed it's predecessors with Wii and DS I be we will get an "all out" hand held and home console. They made too much money (which according to some of you doesn't physically exist) to not have some super hi end features.
It's like the PS3 never happened!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on May 18, 2010, 05:33:39 PM
If it wasn't a videogame console that is without a doubt going to sell like (I was going to say hotcakes but...) Wii's and DS's and therefore lead to people buying 1st party software which would easily make up for low-balling the initial cost of the system, I would agree with you. However, if they were to implement all the things I dream of, they could even reduce the price further for those who would buy a subscription to Netflix or VoIP like cell phone carriers do. With the DSi XL sitting at $189 that leaves Nintendo a lot of room for pricing for their all new system when you consider the comparably mundane PSP launched for $249. If the 3DS of my dreams launched for $299(without subscrition(s)) I would be content, anything less (subscriptions or not) and I just might have to jump for joy. If it's basically a DSi with 3D I would be pretty disappointed to see anything above $199.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 05:42:01 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't think utilizing the existing tech that will be in the system won't cost an arm and a leg?
The DSiXL probably only cost Nintendo around $120 to make just like the current Wii probably only cost Nintendo about $120 to make too.
If they leveraged current tech and sold a 3DS at cost then allowed the hardware to do what it was capable of through software then they could make that dream 3DS machine come in at under $200 (Definitely under $250) using the leverage of the order size they put in initially.
If they put in a contract order for 5million of everything they need with promised continued business then I'm sure they could get excellent pricing on everything. What manufacturer would give a little to get a solid 3DS manufacturing contract that's likely to last for the next 5 years?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on May 18, 2010, 06:13:09 PM
How cheap do you think 3D screens are?
How cheap do you think tegra 2 chips are?
ARM chips?
Touchscreens?
R&D?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 18, 2010, 06:27:06 PM
Do you still have doubts that 3DS is the final name?
Quote from: neo2046
Nintendo scoops up multiple 3DS-related domain names http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-23732_et_si_la_3ds_sappelait_tout_simplement_la_nintendo_3ds_.htm (http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-23732_et_si_la_3ds_sappelait_tout_simplement_la_nintendo_3ds_.htm)
Or likely they don't want to take a chance that someone else would register those in case Nintendo does want that to be the name (like that guy who registered domain names like paris2012.com and paris2016.com so that the French government would have to buy them, France sued the guy for domain squatting and won).
Also, I never said Netflix couldn't possible happen. I said that it has been announced or even rumored (unless you count speculation and wishes by forum posters), so it's not true to say "we already know" it will have that. You can't know something to be true when it is just random speculation from people and has no basis in true.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 18, 2010, 08:00:52 PM
I agree with BnM about the pricing and features of the 3DS. Nintendo is going to splerge on the device while at the same time doing it a cheap price. I do not see the price of the device rising above $200 because the wii is about the same price, the HD consoles may get another price drop and the PSPgo sold for $250 and we know how that turned out.
As for the multimedia and features, Nintendo will allow the machine to play movies, but the consumer will be left to deside how it will be done. This is where Netflix will step in and offer a movie playing service. Basically you will be able to download and play movies via a wifi hotspot. The only question I have about this service is will we have to use netflix, or can we use other sources? What format will the player play video with?
The internal flash storage will probly be at the least one gigabyte. or two or three gigabytes at the most due to the cheapness of the technology. There is no doubt that the machine will retain the SD card slot from the DSi. These SD cards will not only hold music and pictures, but also movies.
The cameras will be a better quality than the ones provided by the DSi. Of course there will be two camers and they very well could have video playback capabilities.
The device will most likely retain the clamshell design of the previous DSs since it just an evolutinary step for the brand.
Virtual handheld service is a given with the gameboy family and SEGA genesis and possibly the Neo Geo Pocket color along with atari lynx support. All of these handhelds would be welcomed and their inclusion would require a little bit more than 256 MB of internal flash storage.
Nintendo will possibly have a more robust internet service, but it come at a price. If they are partnered with Google than a faster internet service is a given. But you may have to pay for the servie, but Nintendo will still offer the older opera browser for people who do not want to pay for a internet service on the 3DS. I imgaine the 3DS will be able to use flash video and this is really good since we would be able to watch youtube on the 3DS.
Nintendo could possibly add in motion controls for the 3DS with a built in accelerometer and a motion sensing stylus pen along with that spongy touch screen thing that provides force feed back.
A 3DS sports game? I remember someone on this forum talking about how it would be a stupid idea, I have been speculating that Nintendo would bring over wii sports and wii fit to the DS for a few years know. I was thinking that they would tie it into the portability of the hand held. This would mostly be walking and jogging centric excercises since it would be hard to do this with the wii inside you home. Imagine placing the game in the 3DS, closing the clamshell and walking down the street to get something from a corner store. The device would collect your steps and distance and transfer them over to the game.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 08:07:01 PM
I have no idea, but I know certain ARM chips aren't that expensive on a per-chip basis. R&D has been 100's of millions over the past 5 or so years and when you take components and put them on orders that run multiples of millions, I assume you get wholesale discounts for volume purchasing like you would buying items from a warehouse.
Quote from: TJSpyke
Also, I never said Netflix couldn't possible happen. I said that it has been announced or even rumored (unless you count speculation and wishes by forum posters), so it's not true to say "we already know" it will have that. You can't know something to be true when it is just random speculation from people and has no basis in true.
What in the **** are you talking about? who said it was true? it's all speculation, that's all we are doing here.... speculating.
Who said "We already know"? where are you getting this stuff? who is assuming Netflix 3D is already coming to 3DS when we don't even know what exactly 3DS is capable of or if Netflix is gonna have a 3D service?
As for regular Netflix on a handheld device... iPhone & iPad have netflix on the way and Netflix has said they wish to bring their service to any [worthy] device that can support it. 3DS with [hopefully way] above iPhone level graphics will be more than a worthy device. That is why we speculate it.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 18, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
The biggest obstacle that the 3DS will most likely have is battery power. This is what has hindered the PSP from being a viable hand held. The iphone also suffers from poor battery power. If the 3DS is to have a movies player, Nintendo must provide a stronger battery to power what ever bells and whistles it will probably have once it comes out.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 08:41:56 PM
Nintendo will not sacrifice battery power. That is a key feature of a portable device.
A movie player will not take any more battery than a game as the movie will be run off of flash memory and not a spinning disc. All they need is a 3DS compatible program that can run the codecs and you can play whatever video you want. All the 3DS needs is enough procesing power and enough RAM to run the program.
Also remember that the GBA plays custom made movies that come on GBA carts. The DS can also play videos using homebrew apps, So it's just a matter of Nintendo allowing it to happen and giving the system enough horse power to do it right.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: King of Twitch on May 18, 2010, 08:47:31 PM
That's why there are rumors, pardon the pun, flying around that it's going to be wind-powered; if people are playing DS on the go, it makes sense that it would be able to harness that energy.
Run fast wind blast, tur-bine pow-ered game
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 18, 2010, 09:41:36 PM
Nintendo will not sacrifice battery power. That is a key feature of a portable device.
A movie player will not take any more battery than a game as the movie will be run off of flash memory and not a spinning disc. All they need is a 3DS compatible program that can run the codecs and you can play whatever video you want. All the 3DS needs is enough procesing power and enough RAM to run the program.
Also remember that the GBA plays custom made movies that come on GBA carts. The DS can also play videos using homebrew apps, So it's just a matter of Nintendo allowing it to happen and giving the system enough horse power to do it right.
If they were to bring out a movie player for the 3DS, what kind of fornmat would they use? MP4, AVI, or something else? Which format would be the most effivient towards space, audio and video quality?
Could the 3DS emulate other handhelds? What about the atari lynx and neo geo pocket?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 09:46:42 PM
Nintendo would use whatever codec support was free. And with SDHC support up to 64GB, I don't think it really matters as long as you are providing your own SD card.
And we don't know how powerful a 3DS is yet, so no one knows if it can or cannot emulate specific other handhelds.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 18, 2010, 10:00:56 PM
Nintendo would use whatever codec support was free. And with SDHC support up to 64GB, I don't think it really matters as long as you are providing your own SD card.
And we don't know how powerful a 3DS is yet, so no one knows if it can or cannot emulate specific other handhelds.
I thought the SD card support was only up to 32GB? Anything above 32GB is considered SDXC. What codec is free?
I would actually bet my last dollar that the 3DS will have BC enabled emulation. The only question is which handhelds will it emulate? So may people complained about the lack of GBA port for the DSi and I took its removal as a sign of a VC service on the DSi. Now I am almost certain that the 3DS will have it because Nintendo always has BC in their consoles and emulation seems like the only logical way to go for them.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on May 18, 2010, 10:19:51 PM
Unlike with a console Nintendo doesn't have to use proprietary tech for the DS anymore. The handheld market literally exploded with the coming of age of the smart-phone as much as I wish it wasn't true the iPhone was a HUGE part of that . Now the chipset that is rumored (Tegra 2 as you mentioned) will be mass produced, so whether or not Ninty is buying huge quantities, the price will go down, and I'm sure Nvidia will be glad to stamp their logo onto the 3DS, showing the power of its chips, and garnering them more sales. The same goes for the Sharp with their screens. They want to use their tech in a wide range of gizmos not just the 3DS.
This means two things for Nintendo: 1. They know the price of their hardware is going to decrease much faster than ever before. 2. They DEFINITELY made deals with both Sharp and Nvidia (or whoever is providing their screens and processors).
While people who think of themselves as hard core gamers might call the DS kiddy or gimmicky all that matters to a hardware provider is sales, and I'm sure any manufacturer (Nvidia especially) would be thrilled to move half as many of their new product as the number of DS Phat's sold.
Lastly just for point of reference, the Tegra is not just a GPU. It is all in one, so Nintendo doesn't have to cost out the Tegra chipsets AND ARM processors they are already in there:
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The NVIDIA Tegra architecture is a heterogeneous multi-processor architecture that consists of eight independent processors for graphics, video encode and decode, image processing, audio processing, power management, and general-purpose functions. These processors are power managed independently with local hardware control and system level control built into each processor. A system-level power monitor allows the Tegra processor to turn on only those processors required for a specific use case, while keeping all other processors turned off.
Tegra’s purpose-optimized processors are analogous to a carpenter’s tool kit that has various tools such as hammer, saw, screwdriver, and drill. A carpenter does not use a hammer to drive screws or a drill to cut wood. Each tool is optimized for a specific task or function. Likewise, the Tegra processors are all specialized for particular tasks - Graphics Processor (GPU): Delivers outstanding mobile 3D game playability and is also used for visually engaging, highly-responsive 3D touch user interfaces. - Video Decode Processor: runs video macro-block oriented algorithms including inverse discrete cosine transforms (IDCT), variable length decode (VLD), color space conversion (CSC), and bit stream processing to deliver smooth, full frame rate 1080p HD video playback and streaming HD Flash video playback without compromising battery life. - Video Encode Processor: runs video encode algorithms to deliver full 1080p HD video streams for video recording and conferencing capabilities. - Image Signal Processor (ISP): handles light balance, edge enhancement, and noise reduction algorithms to deliver real-time photo enhancement capabilities. - Audio Processor: handles analog signal audio processing to deliver over 140 hours of continuous 128kbps mp3 audio playback on a single battery charge.4 - Dual-Core ARM Cortex A9 CPU: for general-purpose computing delivers faster web browsing and snappier response times on Java enabled websites - ARM7 Processor: handles system management functions and several proprietary battery life extending features on NVIDIA Tegra. Each processor adds instructions, caches, clocks, and circuits optimized for each specific task, with performance monitors to track system activity. Each processor is designed to provide the performance needed for demanding and heavy workload tasks such as browsing java enabled Web pages, HD video playback, responsive 3D user interfaces, and gaming. The proprietary power management features in the NVIDIA Tegra processor track system workload levels and continuously manage the frequency and voltage of each processor to provide the demanded performance at the lowest possible power. Using a set of dedicated processors, the system can easily handle multi-tasking loads that include a combination of 3D, video, communications, and audio tasks. When loads do not require multi-tasking, only the processor required for the task is used while all other processors in the system are turned off, thus achieving the lowest power consumption possible.
Power efficiency as you can see a big part of all this for those worried about battery consumption.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 18, 2010, 10:30:42 PM
Who said "We already know"? where are you getting this stuff? who is assuming Netflix 3D is already coming to 3DS when we don't even know what exactly 3DS is capable of or if Netflix is gonna have a 3D service?
Wow, did you even READ my original post? Obviously not because you are asking stupid questions. In my post I quoted the person I was responding too, he specifically that we "know" 3DS will play Netflix, as if it's fact. My post was replying to him and saying that it is nothing more than speculation.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: UncleBob on May 18, 2010, 10:34:11 PM
The 3DS could be Nintendo trying to steal some of Apple's market as Apple is trying to do to them... We already know that it is a dedicated 3D gaming machine with internet access, and some form of Netflix access
Yeah, the Netflix part is only idle wishing on fans part. It's never even been hinted at that Netflix support will happen.
I pointed out to Fils-Aime that earlier this month Netflix started polling the users of their video rental and streaming service to see if they would want the service on the Nintendo DS. Netflix is bound to the Wii this spring.
The poll was very much real, he said, but it also asked about iPod devices and mobile phones.
"Netflix is a wonderful partner and one thing they do is utilize data and consumer research and they are constantly asking their user base all kinds of questions," he said. "So for them, they're constantly looking for ways to bring their experience to as many people as possible."
And Fils-Aime said technically speaking, the DS could stream videos from Netflix.
"We've already shown an ability to transmit content from the Wiii to your DS," he said. "We do it with (Nintendo of Japan's video on demand ) Wii No Ma service. We can transfer game demos from the Wii to the DS too, so the technology is absolutely possible."
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 18, 2010, 10:43:19 PM
That is not saying it will happen, he just says that is is technically possible for the DS to do it. The GameCube could play 3D games, but it never did. The Wii can technically play DVDs, but it's not enabled. Saying that the DS technically could stream Netflix doesn't mean that the 3DS will (or that the DS will).
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Adrock on May 18, 2010, 10:49:29 PM
From what I've read, Nvidia is really banking on the Tegra line which is probably especially true considering their rift with Intel. I'm sure Nvidia would LOVE for Nintendo use the Tegra 2 and almost single-handedly save them. I mean, really, how many people besides me bought a Zune HD? I would love for Nintendo to use Tegra 2. The first generation Tegra is pretty impressive tech and Tegra 2 probably blows it out of the water.
Also, what if 3DS only has one screen?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on May 18, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
That is not saying it will happen, he just says that is is technically possible for the DS to do it. The GameCube could play 3D games, but it never did. The Wii can technically play DVDs, but it's not enabled. Saying that the DS technically could stream Netflix doesn't mean that the 3DS will (or that the DS will).
Yes except the only theatre playing 3D movies in the GC's heyday was IMAX, and a dongle to play DVD's on the Wii would seem just stupid now that there is this thing called Blu-Ray...
Let me introduce you to 2010:
Google and Verizon are teaming up to make a tablet PC to compete with the iPad on AT&T Windows is no longer the only OS for smart phones Laptops are more popular than desktops Nintendo is back on top of the video game world (in terms of sales and $ anyway) The average person can store 64GB of data on a piece of silicon the size of a fingernail clipping Netflix and other VoD services are taking over T.V And I'm just having fun so don't take it personal :)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 11:13:40 PM
Who said "We already know"? where are you getting this stuff? who is assuming Netflix 3D is already coming to 3DS when we don't even know what exactly 3DS is capable of or if Netflix is gonna have a 3D service?
Wow, did you even READ my original post? Obviously not because you are asking stupid questions. In my post I quoted the person I was responding too, he specifically that we "know" 3DS will play Netflix, as if it's fact. My post was replying to him and saying that it is nothing more than speculation.
First of all I'm not even gonna get into it with you again because your avatar describes conversations with you perfectly (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1225;type=avatar)
and second of all you quoted me in the post so how am I supposed to know you are responding to someone else when you quoted me and I was talking about 3DS & Netflix3D more than anyone?
third. I'm pretty sure you took his statement out of context. I'm pretty sure he wasn't confirming Netflix support for a device we know almost nothing about. More speculating like everyone else in this thread that rides the HYPE TRAIN.
I think full backwards compatibility with DS kinda rules that out.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 18, 2010, 11:55:37 PM
"I'm pretty sure you took his statement out of context."
That's a given. He really doesn't follow what goes on here.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 19, 2010, 12:14:27 AM
I am still confused that we are still talking about Tegra. I was almost positive IGN commented that the chip would not be used. Besides, it has been known that Nintendo has been shrinking the Gamecube hardware....it would be cheaper and probably more efficient to Nintendo to use what it has already been putting R&D in.
I am looking at a $200.00 price range...or a $249.99 with a pack in game like Wii Sports. Actually I am almost positive Nintendo will include a pack in game no matter what the price. I think the Wii was successful because for one price you got the "Wii experience" right out of the box.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 19, 2010, 12:17:20 AM
I quoted MaryJane, not you. The fact that I quoted MaryJane (not you) and replied to MaryJane's comment (not yours) would seem to imply I was responding to MaryJane.
It was not taken out of context either because MaryJane stated two things as fact and they said the rest was speculation, so MaryJane clearly was trying to say this was fact.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 01:03:06 AM
I quoted MaryJane, not you. The fact that I quoted MaryJane (not you) and replied to MaryJane's comment (not yours) would seem to imply I was responding to MaryJane.
It was not taken out of context either because MaryJane stated two things as fact and they said the rest was speculation, so MaryJane clearly was trying to say this was fact.
Do you still have doubts that 3DS is the final name?
Quote from: neo2046
Nintendo scoops up multiple 3DS-related domain names http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-23732_et_si_la_3ds_sappelait_tout_simplement_la_nintendo_3ds_.htm (http://www.nintendo-master.com/xtnews/news-23732_et_si_la_3ds_sappelait_tout_simplement_la_nintendo_3ds_.htm)
Or likely they don't want to take a chance that someone else would register those in case Nintendo does want that to be the name (like that guy who registered domain names like paris2012.com and paris2016.com so that the French government would have to buy them, France sued the guy for domain squatting and won).
Also, I never said Netflix couldn't possible happen. I said that it has been announced or even rumored (unless you count speculation and wishes by forum posters), so it's not true to say "we already know" it will have that. You can't know something to be true when it is just random speculation from people and has no basis in true.
I quoted MaryJane, not you. The fact that I quoted MaryJane (not you) and replied to MaryJane's comment (not yours) would seem to imply I was responding to MaryJane.
It was not taken out of context either because MaryJane stated two things as fact and they said the rest was speculation, so MaryJane clearly was trying to say this was fact.
I wouldn't say fact, more like ridiculously probable speculation... at this point saying the 3DS will have two screens is technically speculation... the DS stands for Developer System according to Nintendo, not Dual Screens, and all they have said about the 3DS is that it will have no-glasses 3D and be the DS's true successor. Makes you wonder what is going to be the giant leap from the current line of DS's...
BTW I'm taking all bets that Netflix will be on the 3DS.... starting at $1,000,000 Euro!!!!!!
I am still confused that we are still talking about Tegra. I was almost positive IGN commented that the chip would not be used. Besides, it has been known that Nintendo has been shrinking the Gamecube hardware....it would be cheaper and probably more efficient to Nintendo to use what it has already been putting R&D in.
IGN is still saying that Tegra is rumored... its pretty difficult to prove a negative(i.e its not being used) without an official announcement, and when you consider that AMD would have to remake an old and outdated chip in a smaller form factor (imagine the R&D costs of THAT) compared to Nvidia having a proven mobile chipset sitting ready for someone to pick up and use, I think the Tegra is the clear choice, especially since the Tegra 2 is just as/if not more, powerful as/than the GC GPU flipper? dolphin? shamu? i forget what it was called and it is definitely more power efficient than the GC GPU/CPU combo.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 02:34:14 AM
Latest rumor I heard was that no one knew for sure if it was Tegra/2(probably not the final chipsets in the dev kit) but it was about as powerful (graphically) as a GC, whose chipset was outputting 480p and was already equipped to handle 3D since back in 2001.
Which leads to the hint from Iwata that the GC GPU was already 3D capable, which means that the Wii is 3D capable, which leads to speculation of a shrunken GC GPU(big reason for HUGE R&D spending over the last 5-6 years) paired with a Arm 9 cpu for DS BC. The GC chipset also was ARM based, so it's already likely very BC with the current DS setup.
Now if that speculation is true, do you think Nintendo would toss that investment out the window and go with Tegra 2 (that Nvidia was quick to try and attach to a new Nintendo handheld ever since sometime last year <check the rumor thread>) after spending so much on shrinking the original chipset?
I'm also sure that Nintendo doesn't want Nvidia's name anywhere on the outside of the hardware, so who ever suggested/implied that, I don't think that would happen. Nvidia would have to settle for just getting in the game to begin with.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 19, 2010, 08:55:23 AM
the DS stands for Developer System according to Nintendo, not Dual Screens
Actually, according to Nintendo it officially stand for both.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on May 19, 2010, 09:30:39 AM
Does being able to handle 3D in 2001 mean that it can handle the 3D of 2010? I'm not saying that it doesn't, but a lot has changed in 9 years. Also, wouldn't researching portable 3D technology lead to HUGE R&D costs? And if Tegra costs even 1cent loss than the manufacturing of the portable GC structure, then yes I do believe they would dismiss the portable GC idea. That 1c adds up when you're talking about moving 125 million units.
Honestly a big part of me is hoping that the Tegra (2, 3D or whatever) is used in the 3DS. I think there is a lot of potential in the technology, and a system like the 3DS could really showcase that and lead to big things for other mobile platforms. And a tiny Nvidia logo on the bottom of the system to save millions and millions of dollars would just be a good idea, not saying it's going to happen.
@tj: oh, I didn't know that...
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 10:16:35 AM
I hope it uses Tegra 2 also, just because of the potential of the chip. I'm pretty sure it would place the 3DS as somewhere between a Wii<<|<<<<360 and the multimedia features of the chip would rival the iPhone4Gs and iPad 2.0
It's just that after they've already sunk 100's of millions into shrinking the chipset (assuming that's what they've been spening the money on) that would throw all that time & money away to license someone else's tech and tweak it for 3D might not be Nintendo's way of doing things.
And yes, a chip that can handle the left/right division of the image in 2001 would still be able to handle the same kind of 3D today. The problem from back then is that there was no display technology that was commercially available at a consumer level to take advantage of the built in feature.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: UncleBob on May 19, 2010, 11:52:11 AM
That is not saying it will happen, he just says that is is technically possible for the DS to do it. The GameCube could play 3D games, but it never did. The Wii can technically play DVDs, but it's not enabled. Saying that the DS technically could stream Netflix doesn't mean that the 3DS will (or that the DS will).
You said it hasn't even been hinted at.
I say that, with NetFlix issuing surveys to gauge interest and Reggie's comments, that's a pretty good hint that - at the very least - they're looking into the possibility of it.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 19, 2010, 03:48:19 PM
For some reason I just find the idea of a portable Gamecube not a good idea. I mean it seems too early to have a portable GC when the wii is pretty mch already a GC and the actual system has not been off the market for very long. However, I would prefer to think of the system atleast as the N64 2, or Nintendo's PSP in the sense of graphical output. Althought the prospect of carrying around some of the good GC games in my pocket seems very appealing.
The 3DS will most likely be the closet thing we get to the wii 2 if the machine does have motion controls. Nintendo will allow the 3DS, Natal and move settle into the market before they decide on what to do with the next wii system.
As for Nintendo sacrificing battery power for the 3DS, is there any device, particularly handhelds, that has a battery that does not deplete quickly?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on May 19, 2010, 03:58:35 PM
For some reason I just find the idea of a portable Gamecube not a good idea. I mean it seems too early to have a portable GC when the wii is pretty mch already a GC and the actual system has not been off the market for very long. However, I would prefer to think of the system atleast as the N64 2, or Nintendo's PSP in the sense of graphical output. Althought the prospect of carrying around some of the good GC games in my pocket seems very appealing.
The 3DS will most likely be the closet thing we get to the wii 2 if the machine does have motion controls. Nintendo will allow the 3DS, Natal and move settle into the market before they decide on what to do with the next wii system.
As for Nintendo sacrificing battery power for the 3DS, is there any device, particularly handhelds, that has a battery that does not deplete quickly?
The DS...
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 04:04:21 PM
For some reason I just find the idea of a portable Gamecube not a good idea. I mean it seems too early to have a portable GC when the wii is pretty mch already a GC and the actual system has not been off the market for very long. However, I would prefer to think of the system atleast as the N64 2, or Nintendo's PSP in the sense of graphical output. Althought the prospect of carrying around some of the good GC games in my pocket seems very appealing.
The 3DS will most likely be the closet thing we get to the wii 2 if the machine does have motion controls. Nintendo will allow the 3DS, Natal and move settle into the market before they decide on what to do with the next wii system.
As for Nintendo sacrificing battery power for the 3DS, is there any device, particularly handhelds, that has a battery that does not deplete quickly?
The DS...
The GBA...
The Gameboy...
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Caterkiller on May 19, 2010, 04:13:53 PM
Nintendo never sacrifices battery life for anything, no matter much power we want or how bright the screen should be.
No way Nintendo is just going to let Natal and Move just settle into the market before making decisions about what to do next. You can bet your butt they already know exactly what they will be releasing as far as major features on the Wii2. The moment a system is released Nintendo is already working on whats next, and undoubtedly planned for Microsoft and Sony playing catch up.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 19, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
If this movie thing happens they might release a small external support battery pack for it if they aren't happy with the built in battery life.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: vudu on May 19, 2010, 04:44:45 PM
I think full backwards compatibility with DS kinda rules that out.
I don't think Nintendo ever said there would be 2 screens. I think we all just assume it will. I mean, it probably will. I was just postulating a fun theory. What would Nintendo really lose if they ditched backwards compatibility? That's a serious question. I'm curious what people think.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 19, 2010, 07:15:58 PM
It's a moot point since being backwards compatible (which Nintendo has confirmed) means there will be two screens, it's just not possible to do it with just one.
I don't see any positives for Nintendo to remove BC from the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2010, 07:17:03 PM
I think full backwards compatibility with DS kinda rules that out.
I don't think Nintendo ever said there would be 2 screens. I think we all just assume it will. I mean, it probably will. I was just postulating a fun theory. What would Nintendo really lose if they ditched backwards compatibility? That's a serious question. I'm curious what people think.
Like OH MY GOSH it was only announced 2 months 12 pages ago.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Adrock on May 19, 2010, 07:55:04 PM
Well, couldn't you do that with one large touchscreen? Just saying...
And Nintendo has slowly been stripping away backwards compatibility. Gameboy Micro and DS couldn't play Gameboy/Gameboy Color games. DSi shed the GBA slot. I guess one could argue age as a factor and Nintendo didn't rid new hardware of backwards compatibility until those older platforms have been long abandoned. DS is still kicking. At the same time, it's not like Nintendo never promised/announced something that they never delivered. Wii DVD dongle comes to mind. Not the same thing, but still...
I always viewed backwards compatibility as a luxury rather than a necessity. See, I've always held onto my legacy systems so backwards compatibility was never an issue for me. It's convenient, but I like keeping my old systems. Yes, I realize that not everyone does. However, I think Nintendo would be just fine without it.
I don't see any positives for Nintendo to remove BC from the 3DS.
Here's a positive: cuts costs which, hopefully, gets passed to the consumer. The 3DS chipset either needs to be compatible or must emulate legacy DS games. It'd just be much easier and cost efficient for Nintendo to just put a Tegra 2 in there and call it a day. I'm just playing devil's advocate. DS has reached a saturation point where people's DS's have their own DS's. Ditching backwards compatibility won't hurt anyone in the long run. Nintendo could easily get away with it. People would pissed off for like a month before they forget it's gone.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stratos on May 19, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
They only seem to remove backwards compatibility when it becomes unreasonable (like a media switch from carts to disc with N64 and GC) or when it just gets very old (no GB/GBC on DS, no GBA on DSi).
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Adrock on May 19, 2010, 08:00:54 PM
They only seem to remove backwards compatibility when it becomes unreasonable (like a media switch from carts to disc with N64 and GC) or when it just gets very old (no GB/GBC on DS, no GBA on DSi).
I guess one could argue age as a factor and Nintendo didn't rid new hardware of backwards compatibility until those older platforms have been long abandoned. DS is still kicking.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 09:15:46 PM
From what we know of Nintendo Handheld history (it will be ARM based), we could reasonably say that removing DS BC from 3DS would be like removing GC BC from Wii.
Don't forget that they've already patented forward/backward compatible cards and confirmed that it will be BC. They've also "codenamed" the system 3DS which would lead me to believe that it has the same form factor as the DS since they are both in the same family of handhelds.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 19, 2010, 09:50:37 PM
Will the 3DS cartridges be the same size as the regular DS cartridges? I can imgaine the game cases for the 3DS games having those 3D foil things that are on stickers and trading cards.
As I mentioned before about my wanting a No More Heroes game on the 3DS, my dream might come true. According to joystiq Suda 51 is very interested in making a game for the 3DS. He is actually inspired by that holographic game Luke Skywalker played in Episode 4 for lightsaber training. However, this may be a subtle hint of a No More Heros 3DS title or something completely new from him. No matter what the case is at this point, I want a NMH game on a portable system. Maybe even a killer 7 game as well.
I would actually like for this forum to start to discuss the games itself for the system since we are drawing closer to the reveal date. We have already speculated on the hardware, so maybe we should discuss the software.
Secondly, before E3 starts we should make a check list of all the predictions that we have brought up about the 3DS and compare them to what is actually ahown at E3 this year.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 19, 2010, 10:22:38 PM
I actually rather like the idea of a Gamecube level portable. Obviously I don't just want Gamecube ports, but I feel that level of graphics isn't too much to ask in the current market and having good battery life.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 19, 2010, 10:28:02 PM
Capcom will port RE4 YET AGAIN.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: UncleBob on May 19, 2010, 11:43:09 PM
You know, I'd rather like to see the idea of dual cartridge slots in the 3DS as Nintendo discussed for the DSi. I'd love to keep NSMB in along with whatever current game I'm playing.
And for those commenting on Battery life, you must not use the wireless abilities of your DS/DSi that much. Wireless gameplay drains the battery dry and makes me a sad panda.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2010, 01:50:43 AM
I just want to make it clear to everyone that I'm merely bringing up a hypothetical situation here and I fully expect there to be 2 screens and BC.
From what we know of Nintendo Handheld history (it will be ARM based), we could reasonably say that removing DS BC from 3DS would be like removing GC BC from Wii.
So many different chipsets are ARM based so I don't think that necessarily suggests easy compatibility. Considering we don't know what 3DS is packing, a comparison to Gamecube and Wii isn't fair. Broadway was built off of Gekko. If we are to assume 3DS uses Tegra 2, the analogy falls apart. Nvidia didn't create the Tegra family off of DS blueprints. There's bound to be some compatibility issues and if it came down to it, Nintendo should choose the future in 3DS over maintaining compatibility with old hardware.
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Don't forget that they've already patented forward/backward compatible cards and confirmed that it will be BC. They've also "codenamed" the system 3DS which would lead me to believe that it has the same form factor as the DS since they are both in the same family of handhelds.
For argument's sake, think of how many patents are unused. Additionally, until the hardware is finalized, Nintendo could strip the 3DS of anything. On a much smaller scale, look at the Gamecube controller.
I'm not trying to start a big debate over this. I just wanted to see people's thoughts on this what-if scenario. I don't think people would really miss backwards compatibility. People would balk and move on. Additionally, the 2 screens aren't really what made DS. The touch screen was far more important and I feel like most DS games could have been reworked to use one larger screen.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 20, 2010, 04:41:01 AM
What if
The announcement outright lied
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Post by: Stratos on May 20, 2010, 05:02:18 AM
So many different chipsets are ARM based so I don't think that necessarily suggests easy compatibility. Considering we don't know what 3DS is packing, a comparison to Gamecube and Wii isn't fair. Broadway was built off of Gekko. If we are to assume 3DS uses Tegra 2, the analogy falls apart. Nvidia didn't create the Tegra family off of DS blueprints. There's bound to be some compatibility issues and if it came down to it, Nintendo should choose the future in 3DS over maintaining compatibility with old hardware.
Just fyi the Tegra also uses ARM CPU's, and correct me if I'm wrong but bc wouldn't come from the hardware necessarily. The hardware just needs to be able to render the game code into images, sound, and input responses. The Wii doesn't have a GC inside of it, its CPU just uses the same instruction set as the GC (PowerPC) and the X360 doesn't have the original Xbox in it either, they do bc through software emulation. makes you wonder why Sony put a PS2 in the PS3 and now that they have taken it out the PS3 is no longer bc I'm just speculating here of course, but if the 3DS is even nearly as powerful as a GC it should have no trouble emulating DS/DSi games through software or by carrying whatever instruction set the DS CPU's use.
As for the screen(s) one really big screen could replace the two screens, but this would suggest a swivel since the screen will be widescreen.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2010, 10:23:03 AM
Actually the Wii does have a GC in it. The Wii is a souped up GC chip that is downclocked for GC mode.
If Nintendo were to go with Tegra/2 I'm sure they would still pair it up with an ARM 7(that's in the DS?) or ARM 9 chip (Tegra 1 is ARM 9 based and Tegra 2 is ARM 11... I think) for BC. Both chips would probably downclock themselves when in DS mode.
As far as 3DS is concerned though, dropping BC would be stupid. You want the large DS audience to transfer over to the 3DS and being able to play their DS/i games and the new 3DS games is a HUGE motivator for that(especially in the 1st year or 2). Don't forget about Pokemon B&W with 3DS enhancements (yes it's happening and you can't convince me otherwise)
Imagine if your Bluray player made you ditch DVD's and start all over, but you can't hook them both up because you don't have that many inputs? Would you still pay all that money to rebuy your entire library again so you can see it in HD? especially since most movies you probably already owned are not and probably never will be on BRD?
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Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2010, 06:27:16 PM
Compelling software and even the early adopter syndrome sells hardware. Backwards compatibility is not a huge motivator; it's an extra. How many people were motivated to buy the Wii because it could play Gamecube games? That's ridiculous. Thank Wii Sports and Twilight Princess. No one is kicking down Sony's door to reinstate 2 whole generation's worth of backwards compatibility in PS3 and games are still released on PS2. So, I don't think you can make that claim. People buy new hardware primarily on the merits of the system itself, not its ability to play legacy games. It's a nice feature, sure, but it's hardly a deal breaker. Since I already own a DSi, I'd take a cheaper, smaller 3DS if Nintendo ditched backwards compatibility. In every backwards compatibility enabled console's life, there comes a point when people stop caring about it. By the time Microsoft cut Halo 2 from Xbox Live, like 7 people were still playing it.
Additionally, I kind of feel like backwards compatibility encourages laziness. New hardware is rushed out the door with minimal games because the idea is that people can play their old games. Sony PR'd the f*ck out of that in 2000 and it's still bullsh*t. PS2 had a god awful launch. So did DS. People will still have the old systems. Or they should and thus will still be able to play the old games. They could get $20 in trade-in value, but then you encourage used hardware/software sales and lose money that way. Launch with a brand new Super Mario game then see how much people give a damn about old DS games. Even if backwards compatibility is there, Nintendo should be giving people a legitimate reason to buy 3DS, not a more expensive DS for a while until the real 3DS games come out.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 20, 2010, 06:45:53 PM
BC does ot encourage laziness at all, where did you get that theory from? Besides, I can't point to lots of new systems with no BC that had bad launches. Almost every Xbox 360 launch game was crap. BC helps with sales of both the news system and games. A person is more likely to buy a 3DS early if they can trade in their DS and continue playing their DS games on the 3DS. This can only be a GOOD thing because it means more customers for 3DS games and more reasons for publishers to make good games for it. I honestly can't believe any person thinks that removing backwards compatibility would be a good thing. Thankfully Nintendo doesn't agree with you since the 3DS '''will''' be backwards compatible with the DS.
As for Halo 2, even in February of this year there was thousands of people playing Halo 2 online at any given time.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2010, 07:11:18 PM
If gamecube was popular you might have convinced me. And tell me how many PS2 owners could afford a PS3 when it first came out(when it was BC) and how many Wii owners even knew what the hell a gamecube was? This is a whole new audience we're talking about where they don't want to feel like everything they already bought is now obsolete and no longer of any use. You want to ease the majority of that 130+million audience into upgrading their hardware with out making them feel like the last $500 they spend on the old system and games will will goto waste. The piece of mind that knowing you could continue to play all your current games and enjoy new ones as they come. I'm not referring to the hardcore, but the new audience, the audience that will buy the system because it's the "In" thing but probably mostly play their same usual games on it.
But GC is something I tried to do on my Wii when I got it. Being tethered was a hindrance and I haven't tried it since. Doesn't change the fact that there were probably plenty of parents that were at some point just gonna by a GC(used) with a few games for $100 and call it day, but found out that the Wii is also a GC and comes with games(Wii Sports was advertised as 5 games in 1 by many retail clerks) for $200-$250. Therefore BC was a huge motivator in buying a Wii over a GC and BC would probably have killed off the PS2 at this point in it's life if the PS3 could play PS2 games with out flaw.
BC adds value to upgrading without devaluing (or shelving) your current collection of games. Not to mention lets teh hold-outs play catch up on all the games they missed without buying old hardware.
A 3DS for $200(-$230) with over 50-60 DS/i games you been wanting to play, most in a greatest hits or discounted price range now, is sort of a hard offer to pass up.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 20, 2010, 07:55:36 PM
Backward compatibility is more important in a handheld than in a console. I can always hook up both the new console and the old one to my TV, but there's only room in my pocket for one handheld; I can't bring both the old one and the new one with me when I go out.
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Post by: MaryJane on May 20, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
Actually the Wii does have a GC in it. The Wii is a souped up GC chip that is downclocked for GC mode.
If Nintendo were to go with Tegra/2 I'm sure they would still pair it up with an ARM 7(that's in the DS?) or ARM 9 chip (Tegra 1 is ARM 9 based and Tegra 2 is ARM 11... I think) for BC. Both chips would probably downclock themselves when in DS mode.
Just fyi the Tegra also uses ARM CPU's, and correct me if I'm wrong but bc wouldn't come from the hardware necessarily. The hardware just needs to be able to render the game code into images, sound, and input responses. The Wii doesn't have a GC inside of it, its a more powerfulCPUlikely manufactured in the same way and just uses the same instruction set as the GC (PowerPC) to allow it to run GC games
The NVIDIA Tegra architecture is a heterogeneous multi-processor architecture that consists of eight independent processors for graphics, video encode and decode, image processing, audio processing, power management, and general-purpose functions. These processors are power managed independently with local hardware control and system level control built into each processor. A system-level power monitor allows the Tegra processor to turn on only those processors required for a specific use case, while keeping all other processors turned off.
Tegra’s purpose-optimized processors are analogous to a carpenter’s tool kit that has various tools such as hammer, saw, screwdriver, and drill. A carpenter does not use a hammer to drive screws or a drill to cut wood. Each tool is optimized for a specific task or function. Likewise, the Tegra processors are all specialized for particular tasks - Graphics Processor (GPU): Delivers outstanding mobile 3D game playability and is also used for visually engaging, highly-responsive 3D touch user interfaces. - Video Decode Processor: runs video macro-block oriented algorithms including inverse discrete cosine transforms (IDCT), variable length decode (VLD), color space conversion (CSC), and bit stream processing to deliver smooth, full frame rate 1080p HD video playback and streaming HD Flash video playback without compromising battery life. - Video Encode Processor: runs video encode algorithms to deliver full 1080p HD video streams for video recording and conferencing capabilities. - Image Signal Processor (ISP): handles light balance, edge enhancement, and noise reduction algorithms to deliver real-time photo enhancement capabilities. - Audio Processor: handles analog signal audio processing to deliver over 140 hours of continuous 128kbps mp3 audio playback on a single battery charge.4 - Dual-Core ARM Cortex A9 CPU: for general-purpose computing delivers faster web browsing and snappier response times on Java enabled websites - ARM7 Processor: handles system management functions and several proprietary battery life extending features on NVIDIA Tegra. Each processor adds instructions, caches, clocks, and circuits optimized for each specific task, with performance monitors to track system activity
That is about the Tegra 2 from February 2010.
Lastly: Nintendo already confirmed bc... its the only OTHER thing we know about 3DS than its 3Dness
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 20, 2010, 09:09:44 PM
The Wii is 2 Nintendo GAMECUBEs and duct tape. Get with the program.
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Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
I know. I own a Zune HD. I've read up on the specs. That doesn't automatically make Tegra compatible with DS.... Nintendo would have to commission Nvidia to make it work which, while probably not difficult, still costs money. The idea is to not spend that money.
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Lastly: Nintendo already confirmed bc... its the only OTHER thing we know about 3DS than its 3Dness
BC adds value to upgrading without devaluing (or shelving) your current collection of games. Not to mention lets teh hold-outs play catch up on all the games they missed without buying old hardware.
You're paying for something you already have. You're not devaluing or shelving your current collection at all because you already have the hardware needed to play those games. Otherwise, why would you even own those games to begin with? You would just have an extra device to play them on. And the hold-outs held out for a reason. If they weren't going to pay $130 for a DS Lite, what makes you think they're going to pay even more for a 3DS to play DS games? I imagine hold-outs hold out due to price so no matter how amazing 3DS may be, most aren't biting. They're more likely to buy a used DS or a new freshly price cut DS to play DS games while holding out on 3DS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2010, 10:29:23 PM
Actually I think the hold outs are the ones waiting for a deal(not so much because they can't afford it, but because they can't quite justify the purchase yet), and they have waited so long, that once the new hardware gets announced at a price they find affordable, it becomes justifiable as 2 devices for the price of 1. (I would have considered a PS3 at some point for all it can do now and everything last gen too)
They would love to have the New 3DS that is also a DS that plays New 3DS games and all the other games that came out too.
As for paying for what you already have, tell that to the iPhone crowd that upgrades ever year so they can have all the latest features and still use all the old ones too. I'm not sure if you can take your apps with you, or if they are ties to an account or anything, but the point is that the new phone lets you play with all the new features and the old ones too, just like a 3DS would let you do for a DS/i.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 20, 2010, 10:50:11 PM
Barely anyone buys a new iPhone every year; that's way too expensive since the unsubsidized price is $500-600 and you'd have to pay that every year after the first since your contract would never get to the point where you'd be eligible to upgrade. Apps are transferable, by the way. They're tied to an Apple account, so they can be installed on any iDevice authorized with that account. I can install the apps I've bought on both my iPhone and my iPad, as well as the new iPhone I plan on buying in the next few months.
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Post by: MaryJane on May 20, 2010, 11:24:38 PM
insanolord: the last line of your post contradicts the first... maybe not everyone buys a new iphone but enough people are willing to upgrade... same is true about 3DS with or without bc - seriously would you not buy it without bc or would you just be annoyed it didn't have it? Not a deal breaker just a nice add-on, especially at launch as already mentioned
adrock: i was talking to BnM... that's why i quoted him... and also it turns out that the Tegra 2 in the Zune uses ARM 11 so I was mistaken and Nvidia needs to update their website lol
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2010, 12:09:48 AM
Barely anyone buys a new iPhone every year; that's way too expensive since the unsubsidized price is $500-600 and you'd have to pay that every year after the first since your contract would never get to the point where you'd be eligible to upgrade. Apps are transferable, by the way. They're tied to an Apple account, so they can be installed on any iDevice authorized with that account. I can install the apps I've bought on both my iPhone and my iPad, as well as the new iPhone I plan on buying in the next few months.
Ok. lets pretend I said every other year instead. Tell that to the iPhone users who upgrade to the newest one every other year. Part of the incentive to do so (vs switching to a completely different phone like so many of us used to do before) is that you get to use all the new features and carry over all your old stuff too.
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Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2010, 01:16:44 AM
Actually I think the hold outs are the ones waiting for a deal(not so much because they can't afford it, but because they can't quite justify the purchase yet), and they have waited so long, that once the new hardware gets announced at a price they find affordable, it becomes justifiable as 2 devices for the price of 1.
It's been out for over 5 years. If people haven't justified the purchase by now and it's "not so much because they can't afford it," what are they waiting for? I can only assume it's the price since Nintendo hasn't dropped it in like 4 years.
adrock: i was talking to BnM... that's why i quoted him... and also it turns out that the Tegra 2 in the Zune uses ARM 11 so I was mistaken and Nvidia needs to update their website lol
Fair enough. He was originally responding to me so I guess I thought you were referring to me by extension. Also, I believe the Zune HD uses a first generation Tegra chip. I don't think anything officially uses Tegra 2 yet.
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Post by: MaryJane on May 21, 2010, 10:48:24 AM
Hmm perhaps we're both right... Don't quote me on this, but from a brief perusal of Nvidia's website it seems that they're going back to using ARM9's going forward with the Tegra's for now (perhaps for costs) but some of the older chips have ARM11's in them or so it seems.
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Post by: MegaByte on May 21, 2010, 11:16:21 AM
It's Cortex-A9 (7th gen ARM), which is very different from ARM9 (4th gen ARM) and newer than ARM11 (6th gen ARM) .
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 21, 2010, 11:29:20 AM
The ARM has gone thru so many changes it's now the LEG.
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Post by: MaryJane on May 21, 2010, 02:08:32 PM
lol ningurl and thanks for the explanation MB
Also just a thought: we've seen Sony change their hardware before in response to trends... it wouldn't be out of the question for Sony to say we're also going to give the PSP a 3D screen. you know their going to be asked about it, it would almost be foolish for them not to give it a 3D screen... the technology is there it's in no way exclusive to Nintendo and it would give them a one up on the iPad for now, and we will have to wait and see if the next iPhone is in 3D--as of now the screens max out at 3.5" i believe so the iPad is SOL--Apple has the same reasons as Sony to give their next handheld a 3D screen more in fact, because it's also competing in the smart phone market which is getting close to being the only phone market nowadays--which is why I believe the 3DS should have serious VoIP abilities especially video conferencing--actually maybe a good use of friend codes; only people on your contact list would be able to video-conference
Nintendo may once again be leading an innovation into the mass-market--the accelerometers in the iPhone are a big part of its appeal and we know who was first with that--but this time their competitors don't have to play catch-up.
i also think Apply made the exact same mistake with the iPad rather than play catch-up their competitors are going out of their way to surpass them, yes their will be a new iPad sooner than later, but at best it will on par with everything else there'll be a lot of work for the apple press machine, but don't expect HP Dell Verizon-Google Sony MS to sit quiet but im rambling and this is WAY off-topic lol
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 21, 2010, 04:42:26 PM
Whether Nintenod likes it or not, they have declared war on Apple and its other competers. Nintendo is going to have to get their hands dirty in the multimedia mud and defend its position as the king of handhelds from Sony, but more importantly Apple. Apple will most likely respond from Nintendo's past statement about seeing them as the enemy by actually treating Nintendo as a villian.
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Post by: MegaByte on May 21, 2010, 05:00:29 PM
Spirit Hunters Inc. is planned for a late 2010 release on Nintendo DSiWare and future Nintendo portable devices.
But then it could just mean that the DSiWare version will also be playable on the 3DS.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2010, 08:08:00 PM
Sega to invest heavily in 3DS "Landmark Hardware" (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/29/naoya_tsurumi_interview/)
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Looking forward to things to come, Nikkei asked Tsurmi the expected question about 3D gaming. Said Tsurumi, "I believe 3D will become a big wave. The Nintendo 3DS is a landmark hardware. We'd like to invest heavily in it."
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Post by: Stratos on May 29, 2010, 09:28:28 PM
Sega to invest heavily in 3DS "Landmark Hardware" (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/29/naoya_tsurumi_interview/)
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Looking forward to things to come, Nikkei asked Tsurmi the expected question about 3D gaming. Said Tsurumi, "I believe 3D will become a big wave. The Nintendo 3DS is a landmark hardware. We'd like to invest heavily in it."
Maybe Sega will have High Voltage Software release a 3DS version of Conduit?
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 29, 2010, 09:45:56 PM
Or it could mean that Bioware and SEGA are planning to release the Sonic Chronicles sequel on the 3DS. This would be even better than releasing it on the DS, but I would have to see the 3DS in action first before I am completely convinced.
A portable Conduit would be a very nice addition to the series. But I want a No More Heroes, Dead Space, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Fallout, Madworld, Dante's Inferno, Punch-out and Red Steel iterations for the 3DS.
Also, Nintendo should outlaw all crappy cooking ans lifestyle games such as those made by Ubisoft such as Babyz and Dogz. This way the 3DS developers can focus only on competent third party games and the image of the device is not tainted by crappy titles.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2010, 09:49:44 PM
Sega to invest heavily in 3DS "Landmark Hardware" (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/29/naoya_tsurumi_interview/)
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Looking forward to things to come, Nikkei asked Tsurmi the expected question about 3D gaming. Said Tsurumi, "I believe 3D will become a big wave. The Nintendo 3DS is a landmark hardware. We'd like to invest heavily in it."
Maybe Sega will have High Voltage Software release a 3DS version of Conduit?
Even better, how about the HD version of The Grinder. Now Nintendo systems get both versions, and the 3DS version differentiates itself from the HD version (obviously) by being 3D.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 29, 2010, 10:05:56 PM
Would EA make a Dead Space for the 3DS? Imagine the blood and dimemberment in 3D popping off of the screen as you play the game. Although the poorr sales of Extraction might hindere something like this from happening, but I would prefer it over a rail shooter any day.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on May 29, 2010, 10:28:01 PM
Also, Nintendo should outlaw all crappy cooking ans lifestyle games such as those made by Ubisoft such as Babyz and Dogz.
Even if they wanted to do this, legally they couldn't (at least in Europe). Why do you think a company like Phoenix Games exist? Go to their website and take a look at some of their games. Some of them are legally questionable when it comes to copyright infringement and the company seems to be proud when they said it only takes them about 2 months to make a game. All of their games are EU only because laws in Europe prevent console manufacturers from denying publishers permission to release games. There is also the factor that these shovelware games sell pretty well and every system has them.
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Post by: Shorty McNostril on May 30, 2010, 12:33:31 AM
Would EA make a Dead Space for the 3DS? Imagine the blood and dimemberment in 3D popping off of the screen as you play the game. Although the poorr sales of Extraction might hindere something like this from happening, but I would prefer it over a rail shooter any day.
Dude. Don't get excited about stuff popping out of the screen. I just don't think it will happen. (But I really hope I'm wrong).
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Post by: MaryJane on May 30, 2010, 05:56:42 AM
Dude. Don't get excited about stuff popping out of the screen. I just don't think it will happen. (But I really hope I'm wrong).
I hope so to, and I think so because the 'in-depth' 3D can already be done with head tracking software and the DSi's front camera, so why would a special screen be needed... I don't think it will be movie experience 3D but this is Nintendo we're talking about, I highly doubt it would be some cheesy form of 3D, they know the kind of companies they're forced to compete with, releasing anything less than stellar in this gaming environment is akin to suicide
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 30, 2010, 08:25:09 AM
I don't care for the popping out 3D...I am just hoping for very good depth 3D....yes head tracking can do some of it, but I wonder how many layers deep it can go?
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Post by: MaryJane on May 30, 2010, 10:32:22 AM
I don't care for the popping out 3D...I am just hoping for very good depth 3D....yes head tracking can do some of it, but I wonder how many layers deep it can go?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eClqr828Bp0
Video of the games start @ 0:51. They show two games, the game in the second video is shallower than the first, but to me that says it depends only on design. The walls shown could easily be set to display other things, or move as your character moves. It would be totally pointless to make the 3DS use this type of setup to accomplish 3D; it would seriously limit it uses, as you have to move the system or your head to accomplish the effect, potentially blurring glameplay which in an FPS that split second of disorientation could cost you a life, also: It's already possible! If Nintendo were going to push this technology why not just do it on the DSi? It would save them money and they could keep the DS's successor back until they fully see what Sony and Apple are going to do with their next handhelds--PSP2, iPad 3G, iPhone 4--and launch it whenever ready.
I'm actually hoping developers can find a way to integrate head tracking and the 3D visuals of the 3DS together for puzzle games, and 'storybook' games.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on May 30, 2010, 11:32:05 AM
Thanks for the video. I have actually already seen that. But I have noticed most of the games that use the camera technique have limited action and animation. I am hoping that with newer technology the depth will allow more going on. But I must say, if all games can look that good on the Nintendo 3DS, I would be happy. I am not much of a fan of the actual game design...the puzzles look like it would eventually get old for that game, but it is amazing none the less.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2010, 12:14:59 PM
Just so people don't get confused, that video is not 3D and is not 3DS. Also that video shows 2 levels from the same game.
That game gives a false sense of depth through head tracking and traditional 3D imagery 3DS will give a real sense of depth, likely with a bit of pop-out but much more in-screen depth.
MJ, Nintendo is the trend setter in the handheld sector, they move forward and the competition follows, so there would no point to waiting to see what Sony and Apple are doing, since Sony is waiting to see what Nintendo is doing and Apple doesn't really care what either of them are doing since they are gonna upgrade the iProduct on a yearly basis anyway.
But I'm really hoping that Nintendo is able to use the headtracking of the camera to increase the 3D visual area while also using it for gameplay like that DSi game. That would already set them 1.5 steps ahead of whatever the competition was planning, but if they could do that, I wouldn't expect them reveal that part of the 3DS until later in the year, when they had an actual game to show it off.
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Post by: Kytim89 on May 30, 2010, 08:47:09 PM
What I meant was that the 3D functionality of the 3DS could allow blood spatter from the game to appear on the screen and with enough times you have to shake the 3DS to clean the blood off the screen. Something like this would be good for a No More Heroes or Dead Space or some other mature title for the console.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 30, 2010, 08:54:32 PM
That's why you're still a kid!
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Post by: Stratos on May 31, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
That was the first game that came to mind when Kytim mentioned wiping off splatter. Wouldn't mind seeing a sequel.
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Post by: Stogi on May 31, 2010, 06:00:48 AM
As most have already said, headtracking is not 3D. It's flat images given depth which is completely different.
Real 3D provides a roundness to the video image that hasn't been mimicked by a game before. How will that help gameplay? Well for one it'll allow you to use the skill we already have to judge depth, so things like Sports+ frisbee would seem even more realistic. But that's all I can really think of, realism and realistic depth.
I'm sure Nintendo is not just trying to ride the newest fad but instead integrate it into ideas they've already come up with. Well...at least I hope so.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2010, 12:37:01 PM
I'm still convinced that there is more to it. The "3D Control Stick" could be a 3D tracked stylus that can play in the depth of the image. That would add lots of gameplay gimmicktry, but I don't have any revolutionary ideas for it's use at the moment other than 3D puzzle manipulation.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 31, 2010, 12:39:06 PM
That was the first game that came to mind when Kytim mentioned wiping off splatter. Wouldn't mind seeing a sequel.
IIf Nintendo is going to prevail against Apple's Ipad and Iphone they need to make the 3DS appeal more to adults than the DS ever did in the past. With the 3DS third parties need to succeeed and I see such games as No More Heroes and Dead Space making the mature 3DS titles. Nintendo should challenge the third parties to make mature content for the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 31, 2010, 12:44:02 PM
I'm still convinced that there is more to it. The "3D Control Stick" could be a 3D tracked stylus that can play in the depth of the image. That would add lots of gameplay gimmicktry, but I don't have any revolutionary ideas for it's use at the moment other than 3D puzzle manipulation.
Hypothetically, if a Dead Space or No More Heroes game were released for the 3DS the 3D stylus could be used for the gameplay. For example, you could shake the stylus like the wiimore and recharge your battery for the NMH 3DS game. The same goes for Dead Space 3DS, imagine using the 3D stylus to shake off necromorphs. I see a lot of gameplay potential in store for the 3DS and what ever games come out on it.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on May 31, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
I never thought of using the stylus like that, and with the presumption that the 3DS will have at least 1--I'm betting on 2--front facing camera(s) the movement of the stylus in 3D space could easily be tracked. This is more of a stretch, but they could go as far as to give the stylus a small accelerometer and bluetooth radio to give it more purpose and use when using it away from the screeen. I imagine targeting a portion of a boss on screen and then a separate portion off-screen and then swiping with the stylus while still above the screen to quickly perform the dual--or more--attack. They could have the stylus charge when plugged into the 3DS and ask developers not to go overboard on the stylus motion inputs for the sake of the tiny battery.
About the 2 cameras, with all the photography software Nintendo gave the DSi I'm anxious to see what they do with the 3DS. They aren't big right now, but 3D camera's are going to be a big thing when everyone starts upgrading to the technology: TV's, digital photo frames, PC's etc. If Nintendo can get an early lead and--maybe using Tegra for HD--have a device capable of simple 3D photography that can be displayed on your TV through the Wii they could really be market leaders and become even more of a household name--especially when the Wii gets its upgrade.
This could be the true fruition of the blue ocean strategy. Either Nintendo (Iwata) has known all along that focusing on video games alone was too short-sighted to sustain the company, or this is Nintendo returning to the old days of colossal missteps.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on May 31, 2010, 03:57:41 PM
I never thought of using the stylus like that, and with the presumption that the 3DS will have at least 1--I'm betting on 2--front facing camera(s) the movement of the stylus in 3D space could easily be tracked. This is more of a stretch, but they could go as far as to give the stylus a small accelerometer and bluetooth radio to give it more purpose and use when using it away from the screeen. I imagine targeting a portion of a boss on screen and then a separate portion off-screen and then swiping with the stylus while still above the screen to quickly perform the dual--or more--attack. They could have the stylus charge when plugged into the 3DS and ask developers not to go overboard on the stylus motion inputs for the sake of the tiny battery.
About the 2 cameras, with all the photography software Nintendo gave the DSi I'm anxious to see what they do with the 3DS. They aren't big right now, but 3D camera's are going to be a big thing when everyone starts upgrading to the technology: TV's, digital photo frames, PC's etc. If Nintendo can get an early lead and--maybe using Tegra for HD--have a device capable of simple 3D photography that can be displayed on your TV through the Wii they could really be market leaders and become even more of a household name--especially when the Wii gets its upgrade.
This could be the true fruition of the blue ocean strategy. Either Nintendo (Iwata) has known all along that focusing on video games alone was too short-sighted to sustain the company, or this is Nintendo returning to the old days of colossal missteps.
I just want Nintendo, EA and Bioware to give me Mass Effect 3DS. I am curious to see how 3D could be used in the gameplay of Mass Effect. No More Heroes and DEad Space would not be bad either if they were done right.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: mudjah on June 01, 2010, 07:23:13 AM
Can't wait til e3 ...wanna know the specs on this thing now.
Is it gonna be super high tech or jus slightly updated DS.
exciting times.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on June 01, 2010, 06:17:31 PM
It's made by Nintendo. I wouldn't expect anything to be "super high tech". That's not their steelo.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 07:24:50 PM
Well what could Nintendo add that would be regarded as High Tech when it infact is not(or atleast not as expensive as one might think)?
3D cameras. - To my knowledge are simply 2 cameras at a set distance away from each other and angled to replicate the view from human eyes. The effect is mostly handled in software as it blends the pics together to be viewable with the use of a 3D screen and/or glasses. 2 sets of 2 cameras(or just 2 swivel cameras) on the inside and outside of the 3DS shouldn't be too expensive. I mean you can buy a 10MP camera for less than $100 and that's with the the ~3 inch screens, SD card readers, cases, buttons, battery, packaging... (2x 3MP cameras in a massive bulk order shouldn't cost much on a per camera basis)
Motion Control -Depending on how this is implemented, it can be very cheap. Accelerometers and gyros have sold tens of millions of units already and Nintendo currently has a contracted supplier for both of those parts. The only way I see it being expensive is if the motion is squeezed into a stylus like some people have been speculating.
Motion Tracked Stylus - This could be done with a magnetometer and/or an led/infra red light at the tip of the stylus. This would require some sort of battery or cable to be attached to the stylus though, so that could be more expensive. Once again, depends on how it's implemented. An Infrared LED at the tip of the stylus with a micro battery at the other end of the stylus would still be small and inexpensive.
Touch Screen - Very cheap, over 125 million in the DS alone and 100's of millions more in all the cellphones, the real trick is combining that with the 3D screen and whether or not it will be capacitive, resistive or infrared touch screen.
3D Screen - I would assume that the cost of these screen has either hit a very affordable place since they've been around for a while, or Nintendo used some market positioning weight to get a really good deal on a bulk order that guarantees the supplying company profitable record books for years to come.
Shrunken GC tech or Tegra/II - This is already sunken cost if this(shrunken GC) is what they are using. The massive R&D spending could have been because of the rumored shrinking of the GC chipset that was supposedly going on over at Ati/AMD before they shut down their mobile department(which might have nothing to do with a shrunken GC chipset). But that is cost that would have been spreadout for the last 9 years since they finished the GC chipset to begin with(2001). - Licensing Tegra/II I would assume would be pretty cheap considering Nvidia is looking for a profitable way into the SoC/mobile/GPU market since ATi/AMD has handed them their ass as far as putting a 2010 product on the shelf this year. *But rumor has it that we will be surprised at who is supplying the chips for the 3DS* **and that we will not be disappointed with the graphics when we see them**
Onboard Flash - Memory is cheap. Flash is cheap. I can get a 4GB flash chip for under or around $10 on a single order so I know that if I were Nintendo and ordered 5million to start I could probably get them for atleast $6 a piece if not cheaper. Nintendo wouldn't even need the plastic casing and the packaging, so they might get it even cheaper than that.
Anything else you guys can think of that could be included (that would be considered "High Tech" for Nintendo) but probably shouldn't be expensive?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 01, 2010, 07:26:41 PM
Maybe not "sell-at-a-loss" high tech, but they are responsible for creating original innovative technology. Did they not invent a slot disc drive capable of accepting different sized discs (that was the claim, wasn't it)?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: King of Twitch on June 01, 2010, 07:34:58 PM
Smell-o-vision - smell the smoke in mario kart; taste the fruit when yoshi does; feel the mist of the zelda fairy fountain!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 01, 2010, 07:59:47 PM
- Krystal's unwashed hair - Daisy's sweaty shorts
Multidimensional qualities of a woman
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on June 01, 2010, 09:05:09 PM
Motion Control -Depending on how this is implemented, it can be very cheap. Accelerometers and gyros have sold tens of millions of units already and Nintendo currently has a contracted supplier for both of those parts. The only way I see it being expensive is if the motion is squeezed into a stylus like some people have been speculating.
Motion Tracked Stylus - This could be done with a magnetometer and/or an led/infra red light at the tip of the stylus. This would require some sort of battery or cable to be attached to the stylus though, so that could be more expensive. Once again, depends on how it's implemented. An Infrared LED at the tip of the stylus with a micro battery at the other end of the stylus would still be small and inexpensive.
:D , and it could be, but why when you have already spoken of two cameras? unless your just saying what could be done and not what you think or want...
My ideas: In the case of hardware I'll say putting a MotionPlus like device in the 3DS and marketing the hell out of it, especially against the motion response of the iPhone--which I have to say is pretty solid for a phone but could be better. For software, I've said it enough times, and yet I feel like it can't be said enough times: VoIP.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MegaByte on June 01, 2010, 09:06:39 PM
Camera tracking is a lot more processor intensive than the other alternatives.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 09:19:56 PM
Motion Control -Depending on how this is implemented, it can be very cheap. Accelerometers and gyros have sold tens of millions of units already and Nintendo currently has a contracted supplier for both of those parts. The only way I see it being expensive is if the motion is squeezed into a stylus like some people have been speculating.
Motion Tracked Stylus - This could be done with a magnetometer and/or an led/infra red light at the tip of the stylus. This would require some sort of battery or cable to be attached to the stylus though, so that could be more expensive. Once again, depends on how it's implemented. An Infrared LED at the tip of the stylus with a micro battery at the other end of the stylus would still be small and inexpensive.
:D , and it could be, but why when you have already spoken of two cameras? unless your just saying what could be done and not what you think or want...
My ideas: In the case of hardware I'll say putting a MotionPlus like device in the 3DS and marketing the hell out of it, especially against the motion response of the iPhone--which I have to say is pretty solid for a phone but could be better. For software, I've said it enough times, and yet I feel like it can't be said enough times: VoIP.
For Motion Control I put accelerometers and gyros, that is like a wiimote with motion plus. the 3DS would detect roll, pitch and yaw. also move the magnetmoter to here since that would help it know when it's level (no more calibration).
for the motion tracked stylus, I didn't say it, but the infrared LED would be tracked by the camera(s) but could also be tracked by something like this (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg596298#msg596298) (and not a magnetometer). It wouldn't even require batteries so that should keep the cost of replacement stylii (is that plural for styluses?) down to negligible.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on June 01, 2010, 10:19:30 PM
Motion Control -Depending on how this is implemented, it can be very cheap. Accelerometers and gyros have sold tens of millions of units already and Nintendo currently has a contracted supplier for both of those parts. The only way I see it being expensive is if the motion is squeezed into a stylus like some people have been speculating.
Motion Tracked Stylus - This could be done with a magnetometer and/or an led/infra red light at the tip of the stylus. This would require some sort of battery or cable to be attached to the stylus though, so that could be more expensive. Once again, depends on how it's implemented. An Infrared LED at the tip of the stylus with a micro battery at the other end of the stylus would still be small and inexpensive.
:D , and it could be, but why when you have already spoken of two cameras? unless your just saying what could be done and not what you think or want...
My ideas: In the case of hardware I'll say putting a MotionPlus like device in the 3DS and marketing the hell out of it, especially against the motion response of the iPhone--which I have to say is pretty solid for a phone but could be better. For software, I've said it enough times, and yet I feel like it can't be said enough times: VoIP.
For Motion Control I put accelerometers and gyros, that is like a wiimote with motion plus. the 3DS would detect roll, pitch and yaw. also move the magnetmoter to here since that would help it know when it's level (no more calibration).
for the motion tracked stylus, I didn't say it, but the infrared LED would be tracked by the camera(s) but could also be tracked by something like this (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg596298#msg596298) (and not a magnetometer). It wouldn't even require batteries so that should keep the cost of replacement stylii (is that plural for styluses?) down to negligible.
Would it be possible for Nintendo to have a miniature rechargabel battery inside the stylus that recharges inside the 3DS while the system itself recharges from the wall socket? But this seems impratical and too expensive for Nintendo's tastes.
Due to the success of the wii's motion controls, I have no doubt that the 3DS is going to have its own version of motion controls. The question what kind of motion controls and how will they be implemented. Nintendo is no doubt shoting for a portable wii with the 3DS.
If the device does have motion controls, what is the purpose of having a touch screen? The touch screen was first touted as an earlier version of motion controls. Since the 3DS will be backwards compatible with the DS, a motion screen is need. But how will a touch screen go along with gesture based motion controls? A touch screen seems redundant at this point.
A hand held virtual console is a given and the RFN crew recently taled about on their latest show. With something like this I see Nintendo implementing a moderate amount of flash memory for the VC handheld and possibly a movie player and 3DSware.
Over all the biggest innovation is going to be the software itself.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 10:29:06 PM
If the device does have motion controls, what is the purpose of having a touch screen? The touch screen was first touted as an earlier version of motion controls. Since the 3DS will be backwards compatible with the DS, a motion screen is need. But how will a touch screen go along with gesture based motion controls? A touch screen seems redundant at this point.
Here is where we just pretend that the iPhone doesn't exist or that you have to use the motion/tilt controls at the same time as the touch screen and in every game ever made for the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on June 01, 2010, 10:43:35 PM
This is a little off topic, but has any noticed my new avatar? :cool;
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 01, 2010, 11:06:47 PM
what
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Post by: Stratos on June 02, 2010, 03:34:06 AM
This is a little off topic, but has any noticed my new avatar? :cool;
For future reference, this (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=4982.4125) is where we champion our new avatars, Kytim. And yes, I did notice it. ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2010, 04:18:28 PM
Spirit Hunters Inc. is planned for a late 2010 release on Nintendo DSiWare and future Nintendo portable devices.
But then it could just mean that the DSiWare version will also be playable on the 3DS.
Quote from: Nnooos Responds
We are indeed planning on bringing Spirit Hunters Inc to the 3DS as well as the DSi. Our aim with Spirit Hunters Inc is to have two DSi versions and two 3DS versions with the 3DS ones making specific use of the new hardware as well as hopefully containing some new gameplay features too!
For Motion Control I put accelerometers and gyros, that is like a wiimote with motion plus. the 3DS would detect roll, pitch and yaw. also move the magnetmoter to here since that would help it know when it's level (no more calibration).
for the motion tracked stylus, I didn't say it, but the infrared LED would be tracked by the camera(s) but could also be tracked by something like this (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg596298#msg596298) (and not a magnetometer). It wouldn't even require batteries so that should keep the cost of replacement stylii (is that plural for styluses?) down to negligible.
My main thing about the MotionPlus was the advertising. Whatever implementation they use, being able to market it will be key, and they can do that by speaking to Wii owners who currently don't own a DS but could be coerced into owning one by being made to think they would basically be taking a small Wii with them on the road. With rumor mills--even others beside the one on NWR :) --going wild saying that the 3DS will have graphics close to that of the Wii that would be an even more effective sell: "Not only does it look like a small Wii, it moves like it too: MotionPlus is included in the 3DS just like it is in the new Wiimote for more responsive gestures than an iPhone! But wait there's more..." what do they call the Wiimote in commercials anyway? I never see them thanks to TiVo.
That thing you linked to was cool--I read it before going to work, I remember the premise not the details and too lazy to reread--but like an infrared beam in the stylus I think it's unnecessary when there is already a camera or two to do it without extra cost/weight/battery drain/size etc.
And yes styli--with one i--is plural for stylus, but styluses is also acceptable.
Spirit Hunters Inc. is planned for a late 2010 release on Nintendo DSiWare and future Nintendo portable devices.
But then it could just mean that the DSiWare version will also be playable on the 3DS.
Quote from: Nnooos Responds
We are indeed planning on bringing Spirit Hunters Inc to the 3DS as well as the DSi. Our aim with Spirit Hunters Inc is to have two DSi versions and two 3DS versions with the 3DS ones making specific use of the new hardware as well as hopefully containing some new gameplay features too!
3DS as well as the DSi? Are we going to do this again Nintendo? I really hope this is only for in-development games, and that it's not just crappy rush jobs like the Wii's plethora of 'let's add waggle' games.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 02, 2010, 08:04:05 PM
I think this could be like the Xbox 360 launch where most of the early games were literally nothing more than Xbox games with slightly better graphics (and achievements). Then again, it's too early to speculate as this is the first confirmed 3DS game.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on June 02, 2010, 09:51:26 PM
We are about two weeks away from the 3DS reveal at E3 this year.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2010, 11:08:31 PM
That thing you linked to was cool--I read it before going to work, I remember the premise not the details and too lazy to reread--but like an infrared beam in the stylus I think it's unnecessary when there is already a camera or two to do it without extra cost/weight/battery drain/size etc.
I didn't mean an infrared beam, just an infrared LED on the tip of the stylus (doubles as the part you touch the screen with) that the camera would be able to track in nearly any lighting condition but wouldn't emit any actual visible light.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 03, 2010, 12:55:38 AM
Also, Repulsor Technology.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on June 03, 2010, 01:17:34 AM
How much flash memory will the 3DS have? I am speculating on atleast 4GB, but this may still be too much for Nintendo.
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Post by: King of Twitch on June 03, 2010, 01:20:58 AM
ah-ooga. NOA HQ doesn't have that many gigabytes.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on June 03, 2010, 11:12:06 PM
I hope Nintendo allows digital wall paper to be used as back grounds the upper screen of the 3DS when the main screen is activated. Imagine taking photos from the interent and saving them an SD card and using them as back ground pictures in the same way we do with our avatars.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2010, 02:58:37 AM
http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1094930p1.html
Quote from: IGN
Several developers that have experienced 3DS in its current form have reported, off the record, that it has processing capabilities that far exceed the Nintendo Wii and bring the device with abilities that are close to HD consoles such as PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.
Well, that's alot to chew on now isn't it. It sounds a little over exaggerated to me but who am I to slow down the HYPE TRAIN!!!! I'll just cut the brake line and put some more oil on the tracks.... there is no slowing us down now!
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MegaByte on June 05, 2010, 03:04:45 AM
I find it hard to believe... just look at how much power even the newest versions of those systems consume... Wii-level would be more reasonable. But I guess we'll find out in 11 days.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 05, 2010, 05:12:02 AM
You know the truth is, that it is probably not even close to Xbox 360 or PS3 levels, however since the system probably runs at lower resolutions it is getting performance levels around that of those higher consoles. Either that or Nintendo is going with one graphics chip and it needs that power to do 2 screens properly, but I just don't see that being the case.
Wii level graphics are plenty capable for a handheld device. We don't need anything more powerful than that because it would probably be un-needed.
Please Nintendo remember to keep this thing affordable and cheap. PLEASE.
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Post by: GoldenPhoenix on June 05, 2010, 05:12:17 AM
I find it hard to believe... just look at how much power even the newest versions of those systems consume... Wii-level would be more reasonable. But I guess we'll find out in 11 days.
Not to mention it would be a pricey machine, I don't see Nintendo doing that. My guess is PSP levels maybe slightly better.
Or it will be a 5lb Virtual Boy with a head strap this time.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on June 05, 2010, 07:26:23 AM
We already know it is doing 3D, HD wouldn't be much of a stretch. A GPU capable of 3D graphics should have the power to produce HD graphics as well.
In their dominance, the main thing Nintendo is missing now is graphics. In Japan people are moving away from the console so it would make sense for a Japanese company to make a handheld more powerful than their own console. Would it be costly? In a word: no! This is Nintendo we are talking about; all of their latest devices have gone out of their way to be affordable to the masses in order to appeal to those less likely to buy videogames. A hardcore gamer won't mind paying $300 for a 'balls to the wall' 3DS but the stay at home dad/mom who uses it for recipes, brain games, and a few games with their kids would mind and likely buy the iPhone for $200 and use apps for those things I mentioned. It's more after the two year $100 a month contract but upfront costs are important motivators.
Use Google to look at some videos of the Tegra 2 playing games in HD on tablets to see how easily mobile HD can be done. Cellphones, PMP's, and digital camera's are all currently capable of outputing HD--720p--and even displaying it to a certain degree and each manages to cost around $200. Yes the 3DS will likely be a combination of all three of those devices plus a game player but as I'm sure you know, the price of a system can be undercut to make money from its games and long term development. So, if you're a chip manufacturer and Nintendo wants your 3D capable-HD chip in their next 250 million selling system I think you're going to cut them a good deal, especially if your name is Nvidia and you're desperately trying to top Intel, VIA, Qualcomm, and AMD in the mobile CPU/GPU market.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on June 05, 2010, 12:49:58 PM
The 3DS will not have graphical capabilities on par with the PS3 or 360 because it is just not feasible at this time due to battery power. Of cours the 3DS will be far superior to the DS with out a doubt and it could possibly match or succeed the PSP in graphics quality. I still see the 3DS as more less the N64 2 because the DS was essentially the N64 in a portable form. It is just yoo early for Gamecube style graphics on a handheld. I would much prefer upgraded N64 graphics(between N64 and GC) or Nintendo's take on the PSP graphical style.
It is strange that I had a dream the other day about the 3DS and it was revealed. It was basically a DSi with PSP style graphics and a aesthetic make over. It played movies and a Virtual handheld service. SD card support was retain and it had 4 GB of internal flash memory. Brandishing a motion sensing stylus and the system had two cameras. THere was also a sensor bar in the form two smaller camera holes about the size of a pen head located on the hinges for head tracking and the stylus controls. The 3DS cartridges were the same size as those of the regular DS, but they held more memory allowing both systems to use the same port.
A boss battle was taking place on the screen and with the 3D enabled the boss looked much bigger than he actually was. He almost appeared to be coming out of the screen and any explosions has the illusion of flying off the screen and hitting the player.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2010, 02:08:38 PM
^ ::shakes head slowly::
The DS is your N64 2, the 3DS will be aiming to put GC+ graphics in a portable.
But the IGN rumor didn't say the 3DS will be on PAR with HD consoles, it said "has processing capabilities that far exceed the Nintendo Wii and bring the device with abilities that are close to HD consoles" which could just mean that the screen is Hi-Rez and (edit: capable of) outputting HD(720p) and that the processor is much more capable than the 768Mhz Flipper in the GC (new phones are using 1Ghz chips and still getting 12-18hrs battery life with wifi enabled and all sorts of widget/apps/gadgets/etc running).
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on June 05, 2010, 03:22:50 PM
I didn't mean to imply that it would be on par with PS3 and X360 I'm just saying a 3D capable system should also be capable of doing 720p graphics. Honestly, look at the Wii and the GC; the GC was really small and the Wii even smaller how can you say too early for portable GC graphics?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2010, 03:27:56 PM
I was responding to Kytim, you post made perfect sense.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on June 05, 2010, 03:31:52 PM
I know... I was too
Also Kytim watch the second video at this link: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/05/aava-mobiles-intel-moorestown-prototype-plays-world-of-warcraft/
the first video is the world of warcraft and not all that impressive the second video is of the phone on a projector showing off Avatar in HD and Quake III
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MegaByte on June 05, 2010, 03:45:30 PM
To be clear, I never said anything about HD resolution, I was specifically talking about 360/PS3 quality. HD by itself is easy.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2010, 10:20:21 PM
Bread crumbs anyone.
I promise* they lead to somewhere that isn't full of disappointment and fail.
Digital Foundry: NVIDIA unconnected with 3DS (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/nvidia-unconnected-with-3ds-blog-entry)
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According to our two independent, unconnected sources, the Nintendo 3DS - almost certain to be revealed at E3 - features a design totally divorced from the NVIDIA Tegra SoC (system on chip) initially thought to have been powering the DS successor. It's now thought that Nintendo has instead chosen a Japanese partner for the 3D acceleration hardware within the 3DS.
anyone know who the trail is leading us to?
*I don't actually promise since I only know where we're going and not what we'll find when we get there.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on June 06, 2010, 12:15:43 AM
I promise* they lead to somewhere that isn't full of disappointment and fail.
Digital Foundry: NVIDIA unconnected with 3DS (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/nvidia-unconnected-with-3ds-blog-entry)
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According to our two independent, unconnected sources, the Nintendo 3DS - almost certain to be revealed at E3 - features a design totally divorced from the NVIDIA Tegra SoC (system on chip) initially thought to have been powering the DS successor. It's now thought that Nintendo has instead chosen a Japanese partner for the 3D acceleration hardware within the 3DS.
anyone know who the trail is leading us to?
Who is it?
*I don't actually promise since I only know where we're going and not what we'll find when we get there.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2010, 02:09:30 PM
We don't know who it is. The point is to guess. If it's supposed to be a Japanese company, off the top of my head my only guesses would be NEC and Toshiba. Nintendo has partnered with NEC in the past though I'm pretty sure NEC manufactured parts for NIntendo hardware as opposed to developing the parts.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Mannypon on June 06, 2010, 06:42:17 PM
Sorry on my cell posting. I was doing some research and i found that the powervr sgx chip is licensed to NEC which i think is the line of chips Apple uses. Also the powervr sgxmp is a 1 to 16 core chip that is the latest in the powervr line. The PSP2 is rumoured to be using an 8 core variant according to the powervr wiki page. I wonder if Nintendo could be using a variation of one of those line of chips through NEC.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2010, 02:36:05 AM
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anyone know who the trail is leading us to?
Does it matter?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 03:23:48 AM
Yeah the Lakers won, but did they cover the spread? How many points did Kobe have? Who was at practice the day before? who do you think would be best to cover whoever in whatever situation.
So does it matter? Only if you wanna know.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on June 07, 2010, 08:29:27 AM
agreed, I find this interesting, mainly because it's just another example of Japanese traditionalism and I for one would really like to know if Nintendo went with an inferior product to maintain that traditionalism or if a major new player is about to be unleashed on the mobile chip producing world. Nvidia is definitely going to have a whole lot to say about whomever Nintendo went with if it really isn't them.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 07, 2010, 12:02:59 PM
Nintendo obviously doesn't need Nvidia, so no bother in listening to them ever again.
3DS is as powerful as 360, yo. So that means the 3DS is running on 2x Cells by Sony.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 12:11:38 PM
I read that there is another Japanese chip maker, and what was said is that what they make is not something you wouldn't traditionally think to use for Nintendo's next handheld like an SGX5X5, a Tegra 2 or shrunken GC hardware.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: MaryJane on June 07, 2010, 02:20:53 PM
"not something you wouldn't traditionally think"
so it's something I would traditionally think? I'm sure that whatever it is could be manufactured by someone else, what in the hardware world is protected by copyright? And as for who cares about Nvidia... I do and so does anyone else who sees the potential in the architecture of the Tegra 2 and beyond... I have technolust
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Pale on June 07, 2010, 02:36:50 PM
I find all of these specs HIGHLY suspect and almost laughable.
That said, if Nintendo actually comes out and shows a technologically impressive device, I will eat crow and be SO thankful that they decided to push the envelope again.
So what do I consider technologically impressive? Without getting too specific, the screens have to have at least the PPI of the Moto Droid and the graphics have to be at least on par with the Cube.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 02:55:49 PM
I find all of these specs HIGHLY suspect and almost laughable.
That said, if Nintendo actually comes out and shows a technologically impressive device, I will eat crow and be SO thankful that they decided to push the envelope again.
So what do I consider technologically impressive? Without getting too specific, the screens have to have at least the PPI of the Moto Droid and the graphics have to be at least on par with the Cube.
Then I hope you have a hearty appetite, because that is the least that I'm expecting.
Sharp said they finally got the 3D right because the resolution of the screen (800x480) which I think is the resolution of the Droid.
Nintendo has talked about shrinking the GC chipset years ago, a developer at GDC mentioned similar to GC power, and 3DS is set to be the GC equivalent handheld going by post handheld comparisons.
So I'm at the very least expecting a hi-rez screen and GC-like graphics.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2010, 03:04:02 PM
Yeah the Lakers won, but did they cover the spread? How many points did Kobe have? Who was at practice the day before? who do you think would be best to cover whoever in whatever situation.
So does it matter? Only if you wanna know.
You misunderstood. Why does the manufacturer matter? Don't you simply care about how much graphical power it can produce? If it's amazing chip by some unheard of company, then why does that company matter?
I mean...did you really give a **** that ATI developed the chipset for the Wii?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 03:11:48 PM
It's fun to speculate and if we know who is making the chip then we know what to expect ahead of time and can focus our speculation on their current product line.
Some rumor had said that we will be surprised with who Nintendo chose for their GPU/SoC, so now that we can maybe rule out Nvidia as the supplier of the chips (not necessarily the design) we can look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2010, 03:18:18 PM
But that still doesn't make any sense.
According to you, you already know what to expect: 3D high rez images with GC level graphics. What more speculation on graphics do you need?
And so what if a familiar company made the chip. It will be completely propriety to Nintendo standards anyhow, so comparing it to their previous chips is unnecessary and irrelevant. Take ATI again, the Gecko chip was nothing like what they had produced for computers and other devices at the time.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 03:30:27 PM
True, but like I said, it's fun to speculate.
we've got rumors of "GC-like" on one hand and rumors of "better than Wii and closer to HD consoles" on the other. if it turned out to be Nvidia, we would know to expect something that is capable on the lines of Tegra/2, but if it's NEC what would be looking at? What if it's some company that we've never payed attention to that does SoC but specializes in some crazy tech that they just announced a few years/months back. What if the company that is it has some licensing partners with other companies that do crazy stuff, like that Unlimited Detail software graphics thing from a few months ago. The more we know, the better we can speculate/theorize.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2010, 03:34:50 PM
I get it now.
I guess I have no interest in graphics at all. The 3DS intrigued me with...you know...the 3D, but other than that, I would be more impressed with a rumor that detailed the layout of buttons and screens and if there is a joystick or not.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Kytim89 on June 07, 2010, 03:46:01 PM
If the 3DS has a movie player, what kind of format will it play the movies in? For example, .avi, MP4, or something else? What would be the cheapest for Nintendo and most effiecient for the Consumer?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 03:47:49 PM
If the 3DS has a movie player, what kind of format will it play the movies in? For example, .avi, MP4, or something else? What would be the cheapest for Nintendo and most effiecient for the Consumer?
Why do you always ask questions that we couldn't possibly have the answer to?
I guess I have no interest in graphics at all. The 3DS intrigued me with...you know...the 3D, but other than that, I would be more impressed with a rumor that detailed the layout of buttons and screens and if there is a joystick or not.
According to that FCC filing, it looks like the 3DS has atleast 1 joystick http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30917.msg609168#msg609168 and if you look closely, not only do you see the joystick, but the button arrangement on the board.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Stogi on June 07, 2010, 03:54:20 PM
Looks like the DS in terms of layout. I see a D-pad and 8 other buttons.
The joystick looks decent, but it looks really small.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Louieturkey on June 07, 2010, 03:55:50 PM
And so what if a familiar company made the chip. It will be completely propriety to Nintendo standards anyhow, so comparing it to their previous chips is unnecessary and irrelevant. Take ATI again, the Gecko chip was nothing like what they had produced for computers and other devices at the time.
Well actually the Gecko chip was not made by ATI but acquired by ATI after they bought the company that Nintendo was working with to create the Gecko (or whatever it was called for the GC). So while it was ATI's chip, they did not originally make it.
So even if it is NEC or whoever, they may have recently bought another start up and are using their tech in the 3DS. Have we headrd of any Japanese company that recently (last 18 months or so) bought out a smaller company because they wanted the tech?
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 07, 2010, 03:56:26 PM
Glad Nvidia is not involved cuz I don't want them swimming in the same exclusive Club Nintendo Money Pool as ArtX's offspring. Hated their chips since the Riva TNT.
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: Louieturkey on June 07, 2010, 03:57:51 PM
Glad Nvidia is not involved cuz I don't want them swimming in the same exclusive Club Nintendo Money Pool as ArtX's offspring. Hated their chips since the Riva TNT.
Ah yes, ArtX was their name. I always thought of them as promising. I wouldn't want nVidia either as they don't care at all about power management (see their new 470 and 480 discrete graphics cards).
Title: Re: Nintendo pre-empts April Fools Day - Official Nintendo 3DS announcement megaton
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 04:03:00 PM
If the 3DS has a movie player, what kind of format will it play the movies in? For example, .avi, MP4, or something else? What would be the cheapest for Nintendo and most effiecient for the Consumer?
Why do you always ask questions that we couldn't possibly have the answer to?
My apologies, BnM, but I wanted to spur a discussion about the 3DS having a movie player. You always seem to be able to bring good sources of information about technology and I just wanted to find out.
What is this Final Fantasy 7 in 3D? Is the game coming out on 3DS?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy VII announcement - now in 3D
Post by: Louieturkey on June 07, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
If the 3DS has a movie player, what kind of format will it play the movies in? For example, .avi, MP4, or something else? What would be the cheapest for Nintendo and most effiecient for the Consumer?
Why do you always ask questions that we couldn't possibly have the answer to?
My apologies, BnM, but I wanted to spur a discussion about the 3DS having a movie player. You always seem to be able to bring good sources of information about technology and I just wanted to find out.
What is this Final Fantasy 7 in 3D? Is the game coming out on 3DS?
Nope, that is Pro's new joke about the 3DS. This is the thread that we speculate on what the 3DS entails and he's decided to start a rumor that FFVII is coming to the 3DS which there is no rumor before about it nor proof.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy VII announcement - now in 3D
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2010, 07:11:26 PM
There's something about Nintendo possibly releasing a handheld that's significally more powerful than their current home console that seems really odd to me.
I know there's a ton of nVidia hate, but I'm impressed by the Tegra and the Tegra II would, obviously, be even more impressive. I remember reading an article where they pegged the Tegra II as slightly more powerful than the Wii. If Nintendo is going for an even more powerful chipset, I can only imagine this would be a response to the supposed power of PSP2 which rumors have it close to Xbox 360 level of power. Somehow Sony convinced 3rd parties to support PSP despite it's many shortcomings. I like my PSP because it has some excellent software even though I'm baffled as to how Sony pulled their extensive support. Nintendo says they're not competing, but we all know they are. Every cent consumers spend on Sony/MS is not being spent on Nintendo products. If Nintendo can keep costs down (sub-$200 MSRP) and have 3DS be a powerhouse as well, they should go for it. Matching or coming close to PSP2's power basically takes away Sony's one advantage over Nintendo in the handheld arena. Always a good thing.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy VII announcement - now in 3D
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 08:20:12 PM
Mobile chipsets have been sprinting to catch up with desktop equivalents for the last few years. What we have in the DS now is probably a $5 chipset today and even at the time it was released, was probably not the best bang for buck chipset out at the time that didn't devour batteries in the process.
Another thing to think about is that the GC chipset was designed with shrinking it down in the future in mind. The Wii is basically a souped up GC, which was in turn probably also being scaled down at the same time. So instead of looking at a shrunken GC chipset for the 3DS we could be looking at a shrunken Wii chipset in the 3DS or even a beefed up shrunken Wii chipset of some sort.
A whole other scenario is that Nvidia isn't actually out of the picture, but the 3DS isn't using Tegra/II, it's using a heavily modified version of it that you wouldn't be called Tegra/II.
The point being that a mobile chipset capable of running Wii+ graphics shouldn't be very difficult to produce at a price that is fair and affordable. Especially at the size order that Nintendo would be making.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 08:53:51 PM
As for what else is gonna be NEW about the 3DS besides the 3D; How about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXITjLurof0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXITjLurof0) Tactile Feedback for the touch screens. http://www.diginfo.tv/index.php?ofs=1&pid=24 (http://www.diginfo.tv/index.php?ofs=1&pid=24) apparently dirt cheap once in mass production (~$0.10-$0.20 a piece)
edit: LOL from the Rumor thread and also posted in this thread somewhere around the same date http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=16688.msg597206#msg597206
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 07, 2010, 09:48:46 PM
Apple annoucing the iphone 4 is a swipe towards Nintendo because the 3DS is going to be revealed less than a week from now. They have included wii style accelerometers and this is a sign that Apple has answered Nintendo's call of being the enemy of the future.
Supposedly the Iphone 4 is retailing for $199.99 and this gives credence to my theory that the 3DS will not have a price above $200 just for the sake of competiveness. I am now seeing the 3DS at $180 to just piss Apple off.
I forsee some kind of skype enabled communication for the 3DS to compete with Apple's phone service. To compete with itunes, I see Nintendo teaming up with Google to merge some kind of multimedia itunes-esque service for the 3DS for movie and music purchases. Nintendo will mistl likely take a hands off approach to this in the mean time and let the consumer and Google to work it out.
When Nintendo announces the 3DS, the PSP will be officially dead as a consumer product, atleast in my eyes. Sony will have no choice but to reveal the PSP 2 and if it fails, they may fall out of the handheld market temporarily until they ragain their bairings.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on June 07, 2010, 10:15:37 PM
Apple has announced an iPhone every year around this time for the past four years, so I'm pretty sure it's not a swipe at Nintendo. Also, the iPhone has always had accelerometers. The only new thing is that they're adding a gyroscope. I don't think Apple is concerned with Nintendo at the moment. They just wanna sell phones and apps and ad space and all that other **** they sell.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 07, 2010, 11:06:14 PM
E3 cannot come soon enough.
Two things Nintendo is known for is being kiddy and for NOT including things in their consoles and software(online), this is their chance to prove everyone wrong on the leaving out category, but I feel like that should, at the very least for the sake of marketing, be coupled with a big partnership like with Google, Nvidia, or MS... but that's actually another thing Nintendo is known for: not partnering with other companies.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 07, 2010, 11:13:59 PM
Two things Nintendo is known for is being kiddy and for NOT including things in their consoles and software(online), this is their chance to prove everyone wrong on the leaving out category, but I feel like that should, at the very least for the sake of marketing, be coupled with a big partnership like with Google, Nvidia, or MS... but that's actually another thing Nintendo is known for: not partnering with other companies.
They could partner with other companies in the sense that they may provide services that Nintendo is unwilling to enter or feels like they may be too inadequate to provide to the consumer. For example:
Netflix: Movie Service Google: Multimedia storefor apps, internet service(payable?) Skype: Some kind of communication app that allows the 3DS to be a phone
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 07, 2010, 11:17:11 PM
I though crap like this stopped years ago, but I see there are still people who believe that non-sense. The only people who ever thought that were people who were anti-Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2010, 11:35:09 PM
But Nintendo has been partnered up with IBM and ArtX/ATi/AMD for the last 2 generations.... also Sharp & ARM on the handheld sector since..... forever.
But I'm 100% behind a Google/Nintendo team up (see rumor thread) for certain things like background OS/Online/3DS-Wii2Ware-App Store.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on June 08, 2010, 12:03:01 AM
As much as I would like to be proven wrong, Nintendo will never have an app store (at least this coming generation). It baffled me that they even allowed Netflix on their console.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 08, 2010, 12:19:14 AM
Well, clearly, there's a first for everything then.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on June 08, 2010, 12:36:10 AM
NVC podcast has some 3DS rumors, sounds like POWER POWAH YALL
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=126192
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on June 08, 2010, 12:40:23 AM
Very interesting. It is true that you need at least double the processing speed and ram to output 3D, but I didn't think that had to do with the graphical capabilities.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2010, 12:50:14 AM
NVC podcast has some 3DS rumors, sounds like POWER POWAH YALL
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=126192
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E3
- Craig thinks the 3DS name won’t change - Craig has Epic Mickey scheduled in his second day at E3
3DS
- Craig backs up the 360/PS3 power rumor, as he's the one that got the info from devs - devs were very impressed with the power - Quality of the visuals will depend on the resolution of the 3D screen - significant power needed for the double rendering of 3d image - 3D will be an option on the system itself - Apparently a slider will be able to toggle the strength of the 3D effect - IGN believes there will be a Mario Kart game - Developers are trying to figure out what to do with the 3D - some devs still waiting on 3DS dev kits - Craig has heard the 3D effect is very cool
so no one else has to.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 08, 2010, 01:19:36 AM
360/PS3 power? That is just insane! But you know what? With the insane profits Nintendo has made this generation I would not put it past Nintendo to have invested heavily in the graphics department.
Just watch the 3DS be as powerful as the PS360 and the Wii2 will be just as powerful, no more no less.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 08, 2010, 01:30:15 AM
I'm not too tech savvy so I hope there are others here that could fill in some blanks for me, correct me where I'm wrong, and/or put in their 2 cents but here is my take on what to expect from the 3DS in terms of specs. Before I continue, I do have to warn everyone that I did this search in haste and only used Wiki for the most part which is not the most reliable place for accurate information.
First, lets establish the 3DS's competition. I believe its main competition are , obviously, Apple's new Iphone 4g and Sony's PSP2. The 4G Iphone is due to release June 24 and the PSP2 is anyone's guess but I'd say anywhere from fall of this year to early 2011. The 3DS will release after the 4G Iphone and anywhere from before, on, or after the PSP2 so I assume its specs should fall in between its 2 competitors. IMO, the 3DS's specs should fall between, at the least, the 4G and slightly less or similar to the PSP2.
From my quick googling, I've come to find out that the 4G is using Apple's new A4 chipset which consists of an ARM Cortec-A8 CPU core, which is 1 Ghz, paired with a PowerVR SGX 535 GPU which, supposedly, can do 28 Mpolys/s, 500 Mpx/x @ 200 Mhz with a max memory band of 4.2 GB/s.
The PSP2's guts are unknown at this moment but rumours are making the rounds that the GPU in use is a PowerVR SGX 543MP8 (MP8 standing for 8 cores out of a max of 16 cores possible with this chipset) which, supposedly, puts out 532M poly/s and fill rates in excess of 16 Gpixels/s @ 400 Mhz. There are no rumours I've been able to find on what the CPU could be on the PSP2 so I'll not comment on that.
Just for sh*ts and giggles, I also looked up the Tegra 2 for comparison's sake. It has a Dual-core ARM Cortex A9 MPCore and its GPU is supposed to be slightly ahead of the PowerVR SGX 540 series of chips.
So basically, if all this information holds true, I believe the hierarchy goes something like Apple's 4G < PSP2 <= Tegra 2. Based on my assumptions the specs of the 3DS should lie between an ARM Cortex A8 and multi core A9 for the CPU. For the GPU, it should fall between a PowerVR SGX 535 and a PowerVR SGX 543MP8.
Now, like I said earlier, I'm not tech savvy so I have no idea if any of these numbers are true or any good. I don't really know what these numbers mean in relation to what the user will be able to expect/experience. Here are my Wiki links
PowerVR (show's NEC is a licensee of the PowerVR series 5 chips SGX and the PSP2 rumour) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Series5_.28SGX.29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Series5_.28SGX.29)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2010, 02:07:30 AM
Capcom CEO speaks on 3DS (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/06/07/tsujimoto_nikkei_interview/)
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Finally, one of the regular questions in this year's batch of interviews: what does Tsujimoto think about Nintendo 3DS? The Nikkei interviewer actually brought up 3DS in reply to a statement Tsujimoto made about the success of NTT DoCoMo's iMode mobile contents service. The reason the NTT service was such a success, believes Tsujimoto, is because it provided a full business model, allowing for a good cycle for providing a large amount of content. This separated it from the services provide by other carriers.
For 3DS, Tsujimoto feels the 3D technology is just one element of the system. Said Tsujimoto, "Of course, it allows us to do things that couldn't be done until now, so the development staff is showing great interest, but what's important is how much the users themselves want 3D content. What we're more looking forward to is the offering of a new business model. Nintendo has been in the hardware business for a long time, and I believe they must be looking closely at Apple's recent success. We third parties are paying attention to Nintendo's E3 3DS announcement because of this point as well."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 08, 2010, 02:26:49 AM
Translation: "We are looking for the best avenue for laziness."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 08, 2010, 07:47:55 AM
Kinda missed a lot so I'll just quickly say:
Nintendo partnering with IBM and others to build the chips and other parts for their consoles is one thing, the kind of partnership I was alluding to would allow the other company a say (albeit a small one) on the 3DS's development. If they had used the Tegra 2 or whatever number/letters you can bet Nvidia would be pushing for more dev kits to be sent out and more applications to be run on the system to fully show what their chip set can do, and they would try to implement a graphical standard for games made but as they are simply providing Nintendo with chips their say would be small. If they were to ask Google to bring an app store to the 3DS now we're talking partnership as Google would need access to the entire 3DS to run their app store, and for it to run efficiently they would be able to give Nintendo meaningful input, maybe not in system design, but software implementation and the scope of the marketplace and 3DSWare. If the 3DS is running a unique build of Android or Chrome OS, that would also give Google a certain say since again they would have to be working with the 3DS's internals to build a specific OS.
Here's my question with the 3DS being as powerful as the PS3/360: if the iPhone4 has a 900x640 screen, did Nintendo manage to squeeze an HD (1,024x760) screen onto the 3DS and is playing really pretty video of games for these devs to see, or will it have the graphical power to create boss battles like those on the level of God of War 3? With how much Sony was able to shrink the PS3 so quickly, it may not be too far fetched but I'm holding on to a little skepticism.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2010, 10:55:13 AM
I seriously doubt there will be a screen resolution that high. I wouldn't expect anything above what Sharp said the sweet spot was to get their 3D screen looking as good as they do (854x480 I think) as far as graphical power, anything around GC level on a screen that small should look identical to what you are hoping for. Rumors are that the 3DS may have the power of 3 GC's duct taped together(that's 1.5 Wii's), so it could be even better than you hope.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 08, 2010, 12:23:26 PM
What a fine set of duct tape it is.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 08, 2010, 04:04:04 PM
What I am saying is that Google partnered with Nintendo will provide a Itunes like service for 3DS users. I magine the service providing app such as a youtube channel for the 3DS backed up by a Google based internet service and apps, which will be more techncal based and supervised by Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2010, 06:52:24 PM
EA's Riccitiello comments on the 3DS (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ea-ceo-john-riccitiello-talks-e3-online-pass-3d-gaming-and-more/)
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IG: On a related matter, I almost sort of separate this out, have you seen Nintendo’s 3DS personally? Have you actually had a chance? Have they given you access?
JR: It’s like one of these things here where with Nintendo where you’ve got to be very careful here because they’ve got a lot to say at E3, and I want to be careful to not accidentally transgress an NDA. I will tell you, I’ve seen it; it’s cool.
Sounds like he could see the Nintendo Ninjas out of the corner of his eyes during that comment. Reflections of sunlight gleaming off the polished Ninja Stars already in throwing position and treading carefully not to disturb the razor thin "invisible" wire already wrapped around his throat from somewhere in one of the shadows in the corner.
This man was very careful to preserve his own life while still giving an answer. There's one thing we all know and that is that "Nintendo don't play dat!"
NDA's are life contracts, and that is non-negotiable.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sessha on June 08, 2010, 06:58:53 PM
Is it too late to board the hype train, In a few weeks I've went to fairly interested to foaming at the mouth.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 08, 2010, 07:01:34 PM
I mentioned to a friend today at his house how in Japan they are moving away from the console and focusing more on portables, we talked about whether that could happen here, when his girlfriend who had only said a few things about liking to play as peach on one the "old" Mario's asks: "Can you play the new 3D one on your T.V?"
HD video out on a portable is not unheard of, and if the 3DS has two front facing camera's could it track a Wiimote perhaps, or even have a port for the sensor bar?
Will the "third pillar" become the only pillar?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 08, 2010, 07:48:33 PM
I am getting butterflys in my stomach the closer we get to 3DS reveal next week.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2010, 08:21:59 PM
HD video out on a portable is not unheard of, and if the 3DS has two front facing camera's could it track a Wiimote perhaps, or even have a port for the sensor bar?
If the wiimote has an infrared LED it(the 3DS) could probably track it with ease. I think the easier solution would be to build in 2 IR LED's to the 3DS for the Wiimote to track instead.
But I doubt Nintendo is going with the Portable only strategy, but an HDMI-mini port would be an ACE in the hole.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 08, 2010, 08:39:03 PM
Nintendo has given third party developers permission to reveal their 3DS titles at E3.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 08, 2010, 09:06:21 PM
If Nintendo really wants to launch it by March, they didn't really have any choice. Still exciting that we may see a bunch of 3DS games soon.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on June 08, 2010, 09:15:48 PM
Wonder if it will use Friend Codes....
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 08, 2010, 10:20:27 PM
Could a Dead Space and No More Heroes 3DS game be in the works? I sure hope that the 3DS becomes home to some major franchise titles.
Here is my final list of third party games for the 3DS:
Final Fantasy 5 3DS Final Fantasy 6 3DS Final Fantasy 7 in 3D Mass Effect 3DS Dead Space 3DS No More Heroes 3DS Madworld 3DS
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 08, 2010, 11:44:48 PM
One thing that I do wonder though is how exactly is Nintendo going to show the 3DS off at its conference? Screenshots and videos on a projector aren't going to be able to show off the 3d affect in the games and I'm sure thats something Nintendo will want to show off. Could they possibly hand out prototype systems to all in attendance so everyone can see direct footage themselves? Could they possibly project videos in 3d on a large display using the same tech in theaters requiring everyone in attendance to don glasses but expressing that the system itself will yield the same results without them? Whats going to suck is that we won't really get a look at the 3d aspects of the system until they are on display at Gamestop and Bestbuy. We are going to have to rely on word of mouth and previews from journalists for a few months
In the end, I think that'll work out well for Nintendo as word of mouth tends to spread alot faster than still images on the internet. Also, word of mouth is prone to exageration which will just build up hype for the 3DS's eventual release.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on June 08, 2010, 11:48:37 PM
Nintendo had the same dilemma with the Wii, which started their "Playing = Believing" campaign (and to a lesser extent with the DS's "Touching is Good")... I think it worked out quite well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2010, 11:53:00 PM
Nintendo 3DS.... Seeing is Believing
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on June 09, 2010, 12:01:56 AM
I do wonder if Nintendo will let us film at all given the technical challenges. Wii filming had specific restrictions for several years where you had to show the person in the shot (which sucked for lighting control).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2010, 01:05:01 AM
Who wants a BLAST FROM THE PAST!!!!
From waaaaay back in 2004 (the year the DS announced and released): http://www.gamespot.com/news/6087254.html (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6087254.html)
Quote from: GI.biz via GameSpot back in Jan 2004
RUMOR #2: The Nintendo DS will incorporate 3D technology from Sharp.
Source: UK-based online game mag Gamesindustry.biz (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=dev&aid=2865).
The official story: A Sharp spokesperson did not confirm nor deny the story. However, given the company's history with Nintendo, the rep added that such news would not be a surprise. E-mails to Nintendo were not returned.
What we heard: Sharp actually stopped by the GameSpot offices to show off its impressive 3D technology (http://www.sharp3d.com/3D_display_technology/how_3D_display_works/), which displays two slightly askew images on a single screen to create the illusion of three dimensions. Apparently someone heard the words "two" and "screen," thought "DS," and started posting away. They might have also remembered the two companies' industry-shattering 1989 collaboration, the Sharp NES TV (http://assembler.roarvgm.com/Sharp_Nintendo_Television/sharp_nintendo_television.html), and figured one loopy idea warrants another. Still, Nintendo and Sharp's silence could mean they're hiding something--that or they can't be bothered to respond to pesky reporters' idle gossip. It's doubtful that Nintendo could incorporate such premium technology into the DS and keep its price low enough to arouse interest in such a, er,unique system.
Bogus or not bogus?: The thing already has us seeing double. Making it 3D would make millions cockeyed. Bogus.
This has been in the making for a really long time, so I really hope Nintendo gets it right right out of the gate.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 09, 2010, 12:15:03 PM
Back to the discussion about how powerful the 3DS is, the iPhone 4 shows us that a lot of power can be had in a little package and with good battery life. Based on that alone, I wouldn't be surprised if the 3DS is somewhere inbetween Wii and 360 power and be able to still have a 10-15 hour battery life. The iPhone 4 boasts 10 hours of use on Wifi with one charge. With the 3DS now having a constant always on 3G connection, it could easily surpass that and it would have more room for a bigger battery as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2010, 12:19:28 PM
"The iPhone 4 boasts 10 hours of use on Wifi with one charge."
Is that assuming it never connects to anything?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2010, 04:52:43 PM
Animal Crossing 3DS!? (http://www.destructoid.com/rumor-nintendo-to-reveal-animal-crossing-3ds-at-e3-175911.phtml) So which version of Animal Crossing gets ported this time? Animal Crossing GC, Animal Crossing DS or Animal Crossing DS: Wii Edition?
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According to our sources, Nintendo has been quietly wooing developers and publishers with a handheld 3D demo of its popular franchise, Animal Crossing. Word has it that the game will be revealed next week as a launch title for Nintendo's handheld. When contacted with a request for comment, Nintendo's response was as expected: "Nintendo does not comment on rumors or speculation."
Could it really be a mix of Animal Xing and Friend Connection..... in 3D? Possibly as an optional central hub for online and system interactions involving Mii's as avatars and locations as services?
edit: And for you non-believers out there that have yet to hop on the HYPE TRAIN and think I'm just talking that crazy talk again....
The Inside Story of Animal Crossing - 2008 (http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/the-inside-story-animal-crossing?page=0%2C2)
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Players will be able to take photos within the game and transfer them to SD card or send them as letters from within the Wii Menu, but due to Animal Crossing’s status as a “special place” it’s unlikely there will be much more integration with wider Wii features than that. Despite Eguchi’s protests that this was a good example of the expansion of communication options “not only in-game, but outside the game, too,” it’s difficult not to feel that at least in some ways Animal Crossing: City Folk is a missed opportunity to realign the Wii hardware’s frontend to include an almost PlayStation Home-like experience.
“It’s definitely a possibility,” Eguchi relents. “We just haven’t chosen to do it this time. It’s certainly something to think about in future, though.”
Q: In other words, could Animal Crossing be used as a GUI for the system itself? A: “It’s definitely a possibility,” Eguchi relents. “We just haven’t chosen to do it this time. It’s certainly something to think about in future, though.”
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2010, 05:30:00 PM
So you're saying, a certain someone will be able send 3D nipples to all his friends/victims?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2010, 05:34:10 PM
One small step for man, one giant leap for The Church of the Sacred Man Nipple.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 09, 2010, 06:21:56 PM
"The iPhone 4 boasts 10 hours of use on Wifi with one charge."
Is that assuming it never connects to anything?
Nope as my iPhone has wifi on all the time (3GS) and it lasts all day, sometimes two days if I do hardly anything with it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 09, 2010, 06:49:57 PM
People pay for internet TWICE?
Next you'll tell me gamers pay for their games two or more times.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 09, 2010, 07:08:17 PM
If AC comes. I better see real change. I frickin' remember when we was first coming out and we were speculating (dreaming) for a MMO Animal Crossing and thats what I want still. The game has changed maybe 10-15 percent each iteration and its BS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 09, 2010, 08:07:57 PM
Hopefully they add a lot more to the series. I've always dreamed of Nintendo having the Mario sports or Wii sports engines implemented into the series along with cards, board games, and the like, to add variety to the world once you've grown tired of fishing and digging up holes. We'll see what happens. I also hope they create better character models so the player can have more options with their wardrobe.
Could this be Nintendo's other suprise for the 3DS? Having Animal Crossing as the GUI would be so sweet if done right. It'll be like having a free game with every system again lol.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 09, 2010, 08:26:25 PM
Animal Crossing at launch and i'm effing sold. So would be my girlfriend and her sister and her mom.
Animal Crossing would move a lot of 3DSssss.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on June 09, 2010, 08:35:37 PM
3D N64 graphics? Meh, aren't there any other more exciting prospects to discuss>?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 09, 2010, 08:44:23 PM
nintendo's conference is next tuesday, right?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 09, 2010, 08:48:37 PM
"The iPhone 4 boasts 10 hours of use on Wifi with one charge."
Is that assuming it never connects to anything?
Nope as my iPhone has wifi on all the time (3GS) and it lasts all day, sometimes two days if I do hardly anything with it.
Actively searching for wifi connections and actually staying connected to (and using) a wifi connection are two different drains on the battery. The hardly doing anything with it thing definitely helps battery life too, the DSi can last two days in standby mode only opening it to check the time or play only a few minutes of a game at a time.
The 3DS will have (should be able to have) lots of power and plenty of battery life... And do video out replacing the need for a Wii upgrade, at least for a few more years.
And BnM it was a few posts ago, but having the 3DS pull double duty makes it not just a portable. The 3D screens (from Sharp at least) max out at 4.5" giving Nintendo a lot of space to place hardware. The DSi XL is a fairly large device and if the 3DS is that size or slightly smaller and built on a platform like Tegra 2 in that it would have two CPU's; the stronger one would run the Wii3D software and maybe Nintendo also sells a dock with extra storage space and power cord, and the weaker, less battery draining, but still adequate CPU runs the 3DS software.
It probably won't happen but a man can dream can't he?
Edit: They can show off the 3DS with simulated screens, MS and Sony do it all the time, and then have the journalists report the accuracy of the screens, done right and they will wins over hordes of people.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 09, 2010, 10:32:23 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 09, 2010, 10:37:53 PM
Good, at least i'm only working nights next week. I can wake up a little early to catch it at noon.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 10, 2010, 12:48:47 AM
Actually Animal Crossing would make a great pack-in game. It could be pre-installed on the 3DS, and could be used as a Hub for making system friends (not game specific friends) and have a means of checking who is online and playing what. Kinda like a virtual 3D hub for your 3DS you can play, but also connect to friends to play other games. Add into the Animal Crossing world achievements and you have a killer 3D home to play in.
It would also be a nice hardcore, and casual game for both camps.
I am thinking Mario at launch might be too much Mario, since we have been filled with Mario platformers recently.
However, a good launch lineup might be:
Mario Kart 3DS Animal Crossing 3DS (preinstalled) 3DS Party Metriod Prime 3DS (Or a Retro Studios multiplayer FPS) Another possible game...I dunno.
Pokemon Gray (Special 3DS version...blends both white and black)
Christmas game for 2011.
Zelda 3DS or Mario 3DS
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on June 10, 2010, 06:35:46 AM
Hey, is this thing going to have Miis? 3Diis?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 10, 2010, 08:18:47 AM
I can't wait for Mii 2.0 in the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2010, 01:25:41 PM
The Doctor is in and I'm writing everyone a prescription to take a glass of HYPE and we'll setup a follow-up appointment for.... how's Tuesday morning for you?
3DS to be the E3 show winner and Developers agree!! (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/39363/Analyst-expects-Wii-2-in-2011?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+mcvuk/oXMK+%28MCV:+games+industry+news%29) ok, that's not exactly what it said, but close enough.
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Sebastian has also heards good things about the 3DS, adding: “3DS could emerge as an E3 winner. Our conversations with industry contacts suggest the Nintendo 3DS is an impressive device, and is garnering support among third party developers.”
As for other possible announcements from Nintendo, the analyst expects a greater focus on software than ever before as strong games are currently, in his opinion, the platform holder’s best bet of halting its shrinking year-on-year sales.
“We also expect Nintendo to announce enhancements to the online capabilities of the Wii and DS,” he concludes.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 10, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
The Doctor is in and I'm writing everyone a prescription to take a glass of HYPE and we'll setup a follow-up appointment for.... how's Tuesday morning for you?
3DS to be the E3 show winner and Developers agree!! (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/39363/Analyst-expects-Wii-2-in-2011?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+mcvuk/oXMK+%28MCV:+games+industry+news%29) ok, that's not exactly what it said, but close enough.
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Sebastian has also heards good things about the 3DS, adding: “3DS could emerge as an E3 winner. Our conversations with industry contacts suggest the Nintendo 3DS is an impressive device, and is garnering support among third party developers.”
As for other possible announcements from Nintendo, the analyst expects a greater focus on software than ever before as strong games are currently, in his opinion, the platform holder’s best bet of halting its shrinking year-on-year sales.
“We also expect Nintendo to announce enhancements to the online capabilities of the Wii and DS,” he concludes.
I am addicted to prescription HYPE. ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2010, 05:37:13 PM
That's right, just take two scoops of HYPE (it the white powdery substance in the presription bottle) and sprinkle it into your Kool-Aid. It should have you HYPE'd up ALL.DAY.LONG.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 10, 2010, 05:41:40 PM
That's right, just take two scoops of HYPE (it the white powdery substance in the presription bottle) and sprinkle it into your Kool-Aid. It should have you HYPE'd up ALL.DAY.LONG.
I will not get my HYPE fix until tuesday. Besides, I like my HYPE mixed into Doctor Pepper rather than kool-aid. BnM, your are the main supplier of HYPE on this forum. ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2010, 06:06:16 PM
Sorry, but I can only donate 2quarts a day otherwise I get really light headed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 10, 2010, 09:10:37 PM
I'm liking the idea of Animal Crossing as the system's home/multiplayer interface. Instead of gamerscore points you could earn bells the same way and use that to buy swag for your Mii/animal crosser/avatar. What a pipe dream.
But, i'm onboard the hype train.
Seriously though, if DSiware purchases don't transfer...how big do you think the riot will be?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 10, 2010, 09:25:06 PM
I'm liking the idea of Animal Crossing as the system's home/multiplayer interface. Instead of gamerscore points you could earn bells the same way and use that to buy swag for your Mii/animal crosser/avatar. What a pipe dream.
But, i'm onboard the hype train.
Seriously though, if DSiware purchases don't transfer...how big do you think the riot will be?
Oh, the riot would be very significant. I would much prefer a portable Starfox game sold in a bundle with the 3DS, but they could have the option of allowing the consumer to choose which pack-in game they want to buy the 3DS with.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 10, 2010, 09:34:12 PM
I'm liking the idea of Animal Crossing as the system's home/multiplayer interface. Instead of gamerscore points you could earn bells the same way and use that to buy swag for your Mii/animal crosser/avatar. What a pipe dream.
But, i'm onboard the hype train.
Seriously though, if DSiware purchases don't transfer...how big do you think the riot will be?
Oh, the riot would be very significant. I would much prefer a portable Starfox game sold in a bundle with the 3DS, but they could have the option of allowing the consumer to choose which pack-in game they want to buy the 3DS with.
I have to agree. Another on-rails star fox would be nice. Hell, if it's a launch title that pretty much promises solid sales for it.
I'm a firm believer that Nintendo's smaller franchises should be launch titles with new systems.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 11, 2010, 12:02:11 AM
Spinzilla: I totally agree.
Launching a Nintendo system with smaller franchises that hardcore gamers love with a few casual is a means to get great success.
I personally think Nintendo should shot for havign 5 first party games at launch that are a variety of experiences.
The Animal Crossing Home experience would be an awesome idea and adventure, and Nintendo could even do Micro-sells with that to make some money on the game.
Mario Kart could be the Casual/hardcore multiplayer game that needs to cross the bridge. 3DS Play would be a great casual game could be a cheaper purchase that other games.
As for the Nintendo games for the core audience. The smaller franchises that would work well are:
F-Zero Pilot Wings Star Fox Pikmin Kirby
As for F-Zero if they use it then Mario Kart should wait. Pikmin would be an awesome addition, and I believe it will happen. Pilot Wings would be cool...but I can't see Pilot Wings and Star Fox.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 11, 2010, 10:18:10 AM
5 first party games at launch? Not gonna happen. In the last 15 years, they usually do only 1 or 2 launch games. I never play a Pilotwings game, and they don't seem intent on reviving it after 14 years.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 12:18:01 PM
Ummm.... Factor 5 was/is working on Pilotwings Wii. Art assets were leaked. They are also working on another Rogue Squadron according to other leaks at retail sources.
It's possible that one or both of those projects could have been moved to 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 11, 2010, 12:33:04 PM
Nintendo has had enough time to develop a Starfox and F-Zero game for the 3DS. Both of these first party games I would love to see released on the 3DS.
A Mario Clash remake or enhanced port to the 3DS is a definite possibility.
Is this the 3DS?
http://kotaku.com/5561086/is-this-nintendos-3ds
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 11, 2010, 01:25:28 PM
Ummm.... Factor 5 was/is working on Pilotwings Wii. Art assets were leaked. They are also working on another Rogue Squadron according to other leaks at retail sources.
It's possible that one or both of those projects could have been moved to 3DS.
That was nothing more than a rumor. They were making an untitled flight game, which Internet posters ASSUMED was a Pilotwings game. Also, there has never been any confirmed that they are working on a new Star Wars game. They were (before their financial troubles) working on 2 untitled Wii games, that is all that's known.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 01:49:42 PM
We saw the Pilotwings artwork and the retail listing for Rogue Squadron was leaked. We know that they were working on 2 games for Nintendo and that those are the only games they supposedly moved to the new studio since everything else was being funded by Brash Ent. and that company sinkholed.
I've linked and sourced everything in the Rumor thread, feel free to browse it. I'm not saying it's 100% confirmed, but where there is smoke, there is usually fire, and Factor 5 had a lot of smoke, backed up with retail leaks and dev artwork.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 11, 2010, 03:41:54 PM
Is it Tuesday yet?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Halbred on June 11, 2010, 04:45:03 PM
Kotaku just reported that the 3DS will have an analog stick.
But will it be an analog STICK or an analog NUB? There's a (big) difference.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 11, 2010, 04:47:15 PM
Kotaku just reported that the 3DS will have an analog stick.
But will it be an analog STICK or an analog NUB? There's a (big) difference.
Which is better?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 11, 2010, 04:48:17 PM
"It turns out that the white nub in the circuit board photo is an analog stick, one we're told is a real (short) stick, not a PSP-like nub", but I think we kind of already knew about that from the circuit board photo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 11, 2010, 04:48:40 PM
I would prefer a full stick. I can't imagine a nub being the most comfortable thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 04:58:50 PM
"It turns out that the white nub in the circuit board photo is an analog stick, one we're told is a real (short) stick, not a PSP-like nub", but I think we kind of already knew about that from the circuit board photo.
I was gonna say the same exact thing. It's very clear in the circuit board photo from like 1-2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 05:41:42 PM
Nintendo expected to announce 3DS app store at E3 (http://www.mobilemag.com/2010/06/10/nintendo-expected-to-announce-3ds-app-store-at-e3/)
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The Nintendo 3DS may not be on store shelves for long, or at all, when the company launches an app store to go along with it. With portable gaming on the iPod, iPhone and iPad growing in popularity by the day, the Kyoto-based video game giant appears poised to combat their newest threat by taking a page from Apple’s book and using it against them.
Chief Operating Officer of Capcom, Haruhiro Tsujimoto, says that his company is greatly anticipating a downloadable software service for the most successful portable gaming device on the planet. Notes Tsujimoto, “What we’re looking forward to is the offering of a new business model. Nintendo has been in the hardware business for a long time and I believe they are looking closely at Apple’s recent success.”
And why wouldn’t they? As of March this year, Apple has claimed 5 percent of the market share of mobile gaming in just one year and only looks to be getting started. To fend off possibly their most intimidating competitor to date, Nintendo is expected to revamp their existing DSiWare service. DSiWare has not by any stretch been a failure for Nintendo, though a simpler means for developers to upload and distribute their apps is expected with a service that may have already been spotted weeks earlier.
Nintendo recently secured a trademark on the name “3DSWare”, and while there is no confirmation that this is in fact the very same app store concept that Tsujimoto was referring to, one must believe where there is smoke, there is fire. Nintendo often keeps things simple, and aren’t known for going out of their way to keep their intentions hidden from the public. What remains unclear is just what type of software Nintendo would make available and, as usual, a pricing model.
Speculation may be for a limited time only, with Nintendo expected to make announcements that cover any and all things 3DS at the upcoming Electronic Entertainment Expo. E3 is set to fire up on June 15 at the Los Angeles Convention Center.
Nothing really new, just recompiled and condensed info but this is what I fuel the HYPE TRAIN with!!!
ALL ABOARD!!! Next Stop E3!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 11, 2010, 05:48:05 PM
3DS is actually going to have 3 screens. The 3rd screen is on the outside and takes up most of the top of the unit. You heard it here first, folks.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 05:58:17 PM
I'm sorry, I completely skipped over this earlier on accident. I blame this jumpy laptop. which could be replace today (final part of my project just showed up in the mail!!).
But no. No that is not the 3DS.
The screen are likely too far apart, the 3D camera would make more sense up on the flip part of the screen where it is adjustable for angle, there is no analog stick and the screen ratio looks off.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 11, 2010, 06:02:47 PM
I expect both screens to be the same size.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 11, 2010, 06:10:34 PM
I'm sorry, I completely skipped over this earlier on accident. I blame this jumpy laptop. which could be replace today (final part of my project just showed up in the mail!!).
But no. No that is not the 3DS.
The screen are likely too far apart, the 3D camera would make more sense up on the flip part of the screen where it is adjustable for angle, there is no analog stick and the screen ratio looks off.
I actually meant for that question to be sarcastic. If the 3DS were to have GC style graphics, would a bigger or smaller screen accomodate that level of graphics? I am going with a bigger screen and 3DS top sceen will most likely be bigger than the lower screen and the top screen will be 3-D only as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 11, 2010, 06:14:06 PM
I hope the real 3DS looks a lot better than that mock-up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 11, 2010, 06:41:54 PM
I would love for someone to come up with a better mock up based on our findings here. In fact, maybe a mock up of all the hype that BnM has come up with and speculated on.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
So do I, but going off the FCC board we've seen as a reference, that mock up has a theater wide screen on the top and a 4:3 screen on the bottom.
Both screens being widescreen touch screen that can be used as one large screen coupled with Netflix service support from Day 1 = Me Pre-Ordering in Full during the E3 announcement.
I would love for someone to come up with a better mock up based on our findings here. In fact, maybe a mock up of all the hype that BnM has come up with and speculated on.
I wish I had the photoshop skillz, but if I have the time and motivation later, maybe I'll just draw one and we can compare that to whats shown at E3.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on June 11, 2010, 07:30:08 PM
I'm so excited for this thing. I mostly curious about the analog stick.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on June 11, 2010, 07:42:20 PM
Why do we have to wait all the way till Tuesday too see this... At least I will be out of town this weekend to distract me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 11, 2010, 07:45:05 PM
3DS is actually going to have 3 screens. The 3rd screen is on the outside and takes up most of the top of the unit. You heard it here first, folks.
Wouldn't that make it a 3TS then? And that doesn't even make sense!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on June 11, 2010, 07:51:33 PM
How about a 4th screen facing outward so people can see what you're playing? And a second set of speakers while we're at it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 08:00:38 PM
What sux is I start classes next week for some Ins related stuff and they don't have any other classes to replace those till next month. So I SOPE someone will be live blogging the thread complete with updates and pic and keep it all organize in a way that's easy & quick to read on short 10 minute breaks.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 11, 2010, 08:18:04 PM
What sux is I start classes next week for some Ins related stuff and they don't have any other classes to replace those till next month. So I SOPE someone will be live blogging the thread complete with updates and pic and keep it all organize in a way that's easy & quick to read on short 10 minute breaks.
Twitter, man. Last Nintendo Press Conference, I set Twitter to send updates from @Nintendo_NWR to my mobile and it was great.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 08:29:30 PM
Now I have a legitimate reason to kidnap my girls EVO 4G for the day week ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 11, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
I hope the 3DS top screen is just as big as a iphone 3GS screen. Bt I do not see the bottom screen being that big because of the d-pad, face buttons and analog stick/nub and Nintendo not wanting to sacrifice compactibility for size. They would have to space the buttons out from each other if the bottom screen is very big.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 11, 2010, 09:58:09 PM
I hope the 3DS top screen is just as big as a iphone 3GS screen. Bt I do not see the bottom screen being that big because of the d-pad, face buttons and analog stick/nub and Nintendo not wanting to sacrifice compactibility for size. They would have to space the buttons out from each other if the bottom screen is very big.
The screen on the DSi (regular, not XL) is only barely smaller than the iPhone's screen already. And I mean barely; by my judgment it looks like about an eight of an inch narrower and significantly less of a difference in height.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 11, 2010, 10:03:09 PM
I want a screen that takes up the entire top portion of the DSi for movies.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on June 11, 2010, 10:30:13 PM
a 4th screen facing outward so people can see what you're playing
and a 5th screen for movies. I think you'll need two pairs of speakers in addition to Dolby surround speakers. Anyone need something else? A Gamecube waffle iron port+cables? Cigarette lighter?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2010, 10:51:34 PM
I say 2 screens the size of the EVO 4G and I'll be more than happy.
If you put the EVO 4D on the DSL it actually looks like the FCC board. (http://i46.tinypic.com/122okg8.jpg)
I would love for someone to come up with a better mock up based on our findings here. In fact, maybe a mock up of all the hype that BnM has come up with and speculated on.
This was drawn in probably 2 minutes, once in blue pen and scanned, but the lines didn't come out so welll, so I retraced it in black ink and scanned it again. Maybe someone can 3D render it if they get bored. (http://i50.tinypic.com/9ti9e1.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 11, 2010, 11:43:19 PM
I would love for someone to come up with a better mock up based on our findings here. In fact, maybe a mock up of all the hype that BnM has come up with and speculated on.
This was drawn in probably 2 minutes, once in blue pen and scanned, but the lines didn't come out so welll, so I retraced it in black ink and scanned it again. Maybe someone can 3D render it if they get bored. (http://i50.tinypic.com/9ti9e1.jpg)
This is exactly what I am speculating the 3DS will look like and good drawing. BnM, are slots for the SD card on the right side of you drawing? Lastly, put that EVO 4G on a DSi and that may be closer to waht I am also expecting.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 12, 2010, 01:41:40 AM
BnM, do you mind doing a checklist of all the things we are expecting from the 3DS and then once it is revealed we can check them off and see how close we were to the actual product?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 12, 2010, 02:03:11 AM
I realize it's a quickly-made rough sketch, but you're forgetting the hinge. And with that 'seamless' screen, the inside edges will be completely exposed when folded up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 02:10:59 AM
Dual Screens with almost no bezel inbetween Rumble or Haptic Feedback (through the stylus) Tilt/Motion Control 3D Screen (x2?) Touch Screen (x2?) Multi-Touch(?) Hi-Rez screens (854x480) More Online Focus (3G enabled?) 3D Camera (x2? inside and out?) SD card slot (64GB+) Dual Media DS Card Slot (DS & 3DS Holographic) GC<-->Wii Powered (closer to 360?) DSWare (& AppStore?) Full backwards compatibility with DS/i (not GBA) Onboard flash (4GB+? please) Virtual Handheld (this has to become a reality) Netflix 3D support DAY 1 (a personal hope of mine... it's my list, I can add it if I want to) Analog Stick Holographic Storage/Encryption Holiday 2010 Launch <$200 price point (It's gotta be less that $229 for sure) Animal Crossing 3DS @ Launch (GUI or system interface? pre-installed?) 10+ hour Battery life when in full use of all features.
I realize it's a quickly-made rough sketch, but you're forgetting the hinge. And with that 'seamless' screen, the inside edges will be completely exposed when folded up.
I thought about that, but like you said, it's only a quick sketch. The seamless bezel might be achieved with a slightly raised top edge on the bottom screen that would line up with the bottom of the top screen when the unit was open while also hiding the hinge.
I can picture it in my head, so if Nintendo wanted to make it happen, I'm sure they could find an even better way to make it happen. You know, billion $$$ designs and all.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 12, 2010, 02:37:28 AM
I'd like to think the L & R buttons could be in a better place.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 12, 2010, 06:22:09 AM
I was dropping a deuce this morning and thought that if the top screen of the DS was out facing (as Adrock sort of suggested) and slid out like a phone then tilted upward toward the player. Not only would that make it less battery intensive and more versatile, allowing the non-gaming features of the 3DS to be accessed without turning on the game player it would also make the joining of the two screens into one easier as the top screens thin bottom(facing toward the player when closed)bezel could be left behind when it slides.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 12, 2010, 11:25:56 AM
2 analog sticks, please. Some of us are left handed and would like to play games that require a stylus and analog stick.
I brought up the 3 screens thing in jest because what's better than 2 screens? 3. It's an interesting concept, but hardly practical. An additional larger high-res 3D screen would destroy any chance Nintendo would have of selling this thing under $200. There's only one game that would convince me to buy 3DS at launch and that's New Super Mario Bros. 3 (preferably based on Super Mario Bros. 3), BUT only if the hardware is sub-$200. Okay, I'm lying. 2D Metroid (Dread?) would also convince me. The price stipulation remains.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on June 12, 2010, 12:59:04 PM
Basically price and games, but I'm such a Nintendo handheld whore that I might just buy it on day 1.
And data transfer for DSi to 3DS. Make it a reality Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 01:24:40 PM
I just remembered something I forgot from the list
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 12, 2010, 01:25:59 PM
Nintendo is not stupid when it comes to pricing ($250 for a system that only supports downloaded games, has a smaller screen that it's other version, and screw over fans? no thanks). I will get the system no matter the price, but the highest I see Nintendo possibly pricing it is $200.
I won't speculate on possible features, I don't want to be disappointed if they don't come true.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 01:39:01 PM
I should probably add this too. http://www.patentstorm.us/applications/20090014522/fulltext.html (http://www.patentstorm.us/applications/20090014522/fulltext.html)
Throw a Starfox logo on the front of that cartridge and we will have the first 3DS game. :cool;
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 02:39:28 PM
I also forgot some sort of haptic feed back (according to stylus feed patent) http://www.thetanooki.com/2010/02/22/nintendo-patents-rumble-stylus/
I would like there to be some sort of rumble in the stylus itself, but it's more likely to be through the stylus from the screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 12, 2010, 02:41:13 PM
Isn't that just a thin vibrator? Girls will hate that thing. 3DS sales projections expected to fall sharply.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 12, 2010, 03:33:40 PM
I've seen everyone pointing at a $200 dollar price point. I'm calling it right now and claiming that the release price will be $250. Its just a gut feeling. How much did the DS retail for when it first released?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 03:34:59 PM
$159.99?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2010, 03:35:31 PM
I've seen everyone pointing at a $200 dollar price point. I'm calling it right now and claiming that the release price will be $250. Its just a gut feeling. How much did the DS retail for when it first released?
The DSi XL is their most expensive handheld ever, and it's $189.99. I don't see the 3DS being even as much as that over-priced PSP Go.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2010, 04:30:17 PM
I'm gonna guess it launches at $179.99. It's got to be less than that new iPhone.
$200 is still less than the iPhone when you factor in that the iPhone is only $200 because of the subsidy you get for signing a 2 year contract that will cost you hundreds more over the life of the device.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 12, 2010, 07:34:01 PM
dam for some reason i thought the ds launched at a higher price. in light of this new info, i guess 200 is the sweet spot. giving it further thought i cant see Nintendo having a handheld thats more expensive than thier home console. sorry for the lack of capitals in my sentences. i'm on my cell and hate typing on this thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 12, 2010, 08:36:34 PM
I'm gonna guess it launches at $179.99. It's got to be less than that new iPhone.
$200 is still less than the iPhone when you factor in that the iPhone is only $200 because of the subsidy you get for signing a 2 year contract that will cost you hundreds more over the life of the device.
As opposed to the 3DS that will get tons of use without buying more games for it over the life of the device? ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 12, 2010, 09:44:04 PM
My 3DS will get most of it's use while watching Netflix3D movies on it.
One of my friends will laugh at my puny screen and then direct me to watch on his 60" Sony 3D TV and even offer me a pair of glasses, but I will simply ask him how much it cost him for us both to enjoy this one viewing of Avatar in 3D. Then I will laugh and he will kick me out of his house. But it's ok, because I will watch Avatar in 3D as I walk out of his house(Streaming from Netflix) and the only glasses I will be wearing is the stunna shades I put on because I feel so cool.... especially because it was at night. :cool;
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 12, 2010, 10:04:25 PM
My 3DS will get most of it's use while watching Netflix3D movies on it.
One of my friends will laugh at my puny screen and then direct me to watch on his 60" Sony 3D TV and even offer me a pair of glasses, but I will simply ask him how much it cost him for us both to enjoy this one viewing of Avatar in 3D. Then I will laugh and he will kick me out of his house. But it's ok, because I will watch Avatar in 3D as I walk out of his house(Streaming from Netflix) and the only glasses I will be wearing is the stunna shades I put on because I feel so cool.... especially because it was at night. :cool;
That is actually cool and funny at the same time. But I waoild like to be able to save movies from netflix or some other source onto my SD card and then I could watch the movies any time and any where I want. Something like itunes and the iphone come to mind.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 12, 2010, 10:06:54 PM
Netflix will never allow that (partly because I don't think movie studios would be willing, Netflix has a hard enough time getting them to agree to streaming movies). With iTunes you are buying or renting video, not streaming it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 13, 2010, 05:17:58 AM
Why wouldn't they allow it?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 13, 2010, 06:40:32 AM
Seriously... Netflix is in the movie renting business why wouldn't they allow you to rent(stream) movies from them? If you want to rent or own the movie on an SD card though, you could get it from another source, or Netflix could use their (assumed) app on the 3DS to recognize when you have transfered a (DRM protected) movie to an SD card and not allow you to even stream another until the one you transferred is reinserted into the 3DS to be deleted by the app.
Also mobile TV is HUGE in Japan; with Nintendo being the first mobile with a 3D display they could easily also be the first to provide 3D mobile TV. With the mobile TV market in its infancy in the US this is another big chance for Nintendo as channels like ESPN have already launched 3D channels, and would definitely love to expand their new channels into the mobile market, getting them more viewers and thus more ad revenue. The 3DS, with enough internal storage could even offer DVR capabilities--although I imagine storing 3D programs would need a lot of space, so you would probably only be able to record 2D shows. I know that's asking a lot but when you look at how much companies like HTC and Apple are able to pack into really thin phones I'm expecting a lot from the clamshell 3DS which can afford to be thicker for ergonomic reasons and thus have more space for storage, processors, radios, etc.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 13, 2010, 08:20:36 AM
Why is 5 first party games really pushing it? The Gamecube had 4 out at or near launch.
I think the Wii had a pretty strong lineup as well of first party games at launch...or near launch.
5 is not unheard of...specially if 1 is installed on the system, and 1 comes 2 months later. Sure you could say then you are asking for 3-4...but is it impossible, no.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 13, 2010, 11:07:13 AM
They are a subscription service, not rental service. You don't pay to rent individual movies, you pay for access to their service. Movie studios don't want to allow anything that would make it easier for people to copy their movies. So while it's technically possible for Netflix to do it, I don't see movie studios letting them (if any did, it would be only some of them).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 13, 2010, 11:18:09 AM
Assuming the DS has the always-connected 3G that the RFN crew predicts, it wouldn't be a problem to copy the movie (with DRM) to an SD card, but still require the user to check in with Netflix before playing it. Netflix sends out DVDs as part of its subscriptions, and those are ridiculously easy to pirate; this system would be pretty hard to crack, and no one would bother because they could just get a pirated movie somewhere else and copy the file to the SD card to play in the media player the system will have. If anything, this system would reduce movie piracy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 13, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
Assuming the DS has the always-connected 3G that the RFN crew predicts, it wouldn't be a problem to copy the movie (with DRM) to an SD card, but still require the user to check in with Netflix before playing it. Netflix sends out DVDs as part of its subscriptions, and those are ridiculously easy to pirate; this system would be pretty hard to crack, and no one would bother because they could just get a pirated movie somewhere else and copy the file to the SD card to play in the media player the system will have. If anything, this system would reduce movie piracy.
I have software on my computer that can take a DVD movie and break it down into files which I then run through another software program program to put those files into what ever format I want them to be played in. That is why I would like to know what kind of format the 3DS movie player, if any, will play downloaded movies. For example, the iphone plays movies in the M-PEG 4 video form with DRM.
The only problem with this is the amount of space available on an SD card. You have to have a lot of space on your SD card, or one with a lot of disposable such as a 16 GB or 32 GB SD card. For example, I have an 8 GB card for my wii which I use for playing movies on my wii and and one episode of Family Guy cost me atleast 1 GB a piece for each episode. Bigger flash cards are very expensive and this is why I want an external hard drive for my wii so that I can have a lot of space of store movies.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 13, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
Why in the world would a 24 minute episode of Famliy Guy @ 480p resolution take up 1GB of space?
that should take up maybe 200MB & even that is really high.
I can download 40+minute shows @ 720p and those take up about 1GB, you are doing something wrong if you are compressing 30min TV shows to play on Wii (480p) and it takes up that much space.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 13, 2010, 02:50:06 PM
Why in the world would a 24 minute episode of Famliy Guy @ 480p resolution take up 1GB of space?
that should take up maybe 200MB & even that is really high.
I can download 40+minute shows @ 720p and those take up about 1GB, you are doing something wrong if you are compressing 30min TV shows to play on Wii (480p) and it takes up that much space.
I just checked and the family guy episodes are about 300 MB a piece. I had not looked into the file size for a while and I was thinking of the HD itunes video podcasts that I converted over to my SD card. Those things went as high as 500 MB to 1 GB. I am using wii video 9 if you want to know. All I know is that these video files add up in regards to size.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 13, 2010, 02:57:45 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 13, 2010, 04:51:01 PM
I prefer the first mock-up for it's single joystick(pretty much confirmed by FCC filing and developer 'rumors') the two camera's, and speaker placement. I imagine the ones in the second pic would get blocked by big hands such as mine. I also imagined the top screens bezel to be wider so buttons are not hitting the screen, and depressed slightly for the joystick.
I say all that to say: Great job on the mock-up looks awesome!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 13, 2010, 09:43:03 PM
Actually the second mock up shows why 2 analog sticks wouldn't work so well on a handheld. You would easily hit analog controller moving from the buttons, and my thumbs are going to be put in very uncomfortable positions moving from buttons to the analog.
I dislike the design a lot.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 13, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
Put the thumb sticks above the buttons/D-Pad.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 14, 2010, 12:31:44 AM
Above might work on the left side, but I don't think it will will on the right.
I am actually hoping for a good hybrid analog-D-pad to keep the left side clutter free, but I know some games treat the D-pad as a button which would make that impossible.
Hmmm... I dunno what the solution is, except one may be better than two.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 14, 2010, 02:21:09 AM
the 3DS has to have good processing abilities to display the renders twice, right? Does that means games that don't use 3D could possibly look even better?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 14, 2010, 02:28:13 AM
Good mock ups Kytim. I thank you for those. Both look sweet. If it did have 2 analog sticks, it'd be hard to play without hitting the right one I would think.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 14, 2010, 02:30:09 AM
the 3DS has to have go processing abilities to display the renders twice, right? Does that means games that don't use 3D could possibly look even better?
I think there is a chance, but probably not likely. There may be a way that Nintendo built it so that if you are not creating a 3D game, it loses some of the processor power. If the 3D games were inferior to 2D games, that would discourage companies from making 3D games and the 3DS would lose its biggest selling point. You'll have to wait for homebrew to crack the system and pull full power on a 2D game I think.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2010, 02:42:19 AM
Latest rumor is that Ubisoft is bringing all their HEAVY HITTERS to the 3DS. All the AAA titles are supposedly on the way.
.....I wonder if this is where Beyond Good & Evil 2 ended up?
Imagine a Red Steel 3DS though. Could be good fun.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 14, 2010, 02:49:47 AM
you gotta link BNM? i'm not doubting you, i just want to read more. :]
I'm ready for the hype train take off.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2010, 03:59:56 AM
Not being reported at any sites, just a rumor from someone at E3.
He said Ubisoft was binging the A "gamer" games to the 3DS and one of them was a new IP. We're gonna have to take his word on it for 2 more days, but I don't have a link to any sort of news story.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 14, 2010, 04:15:28 AM
Not being reported at any sites, just a rumor from someone at E3.
He said Ubisoft was binging the A "gamer" games to the 3DS and one of them was a new IP. We're gonna have to take his word on it for 2 more days, but I don't have a link to any sort of news story.
ah, i gotcha.
so much effing anticipation. I really want to find out; 1.) Just how powerful this thing is and 2.) if the DSware is going to be expanded on, and if so, how much.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 14, 2010, 05:06:50 AM
Wasn't UBISoft supposed to be bringing their top games to the Wii?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 14, 2010, 05:18:26 AM
1 more day until this becomes more than a speculation thread... At this point I'm not sure if I could be disappointed. If all it is a 3D gaming machine that can only run one or two pre-installed apps like Netflix and Skype I would be happy. Though I am hoping it does much much more.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 14, 2010, 05:33:52 AM
Droid does what Ninten-don't!
Wouldn't it be awesome if it turned out to be the gamers equivalent to a smart phone? Then I wouldn't need to buy a big ol' smart phone. Just keep a cheap phone and use the 3DS for everything else.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 14, 2010, 09:43:26 AM
I'm so hoping that today's Nintendo Week might show us a brief glimpse at the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 14, 2010, 12:24:52 PM
I wonder how the next Iwata Speaks is going to go with the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2010, 12:28:59 PM
Last Call!!!!! ALL ABOARD!!!!!!! (http://i42.tinypic.com/10iexz6.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 14, 2010, 12:40:16 PM
ALL ABOARD THIS TRAIN WRECK
KIDS' SEATS ARE JUST FIVE BUCKS
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 14, 2010, 12:58:40 PM
I remember them talking about the DSi and how they had designed it with dual card slots, but removed one because of the increased size.
I have to say, I would actually *LOVE* dual card slots. That would be swell.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 14, 2010, 01:11:46 PM
I remember them talking about the DSi and how they had designed it with dual card slots, but removed one because of the increased size.
I have to say, I would actually *LOVE* dual card slots. That would be swell.
Agreed. I always seem to juggle two games at a time on the DS and this could have been very convenient for travel. Also pokemon trading between D/P/Pt and HG/SS would have been really easy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 14, 2010, 05:59:37 PM
Cater, why would you have to miss Nintendo's? Nintendo has theirs at 9 PST/12 EST, Sony has theirs at 12/3.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 14, 2010, 09:33:42 PM
Cater, why would you have to miss Nintendo's? Nintendo has theirs at 9 PST/12 EST, Sony has theirs at 12/3.
And they aren't that far away. location-wise.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 15, 2010, 02:15:21 AM
I got this special Sony pass, and they are shuttling me there or something. I remember some strict words being said while all the Sony fans yelled and acted a fool as typical video game fans do. But If possible I will try to get into Nintendo's conference.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: stevey on June 15, 2010, 01:30:16 PM
anyone have that trailer with the 3DS killing everyone?
or better yet the URL and password to nintendo's e3 press site this year
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 15, 2010, 01:32:22 PM
The 3DS sounds really awesome. It's incredibly unfortunate that it's a handheld. I mean, of all the avenues that could utilize 3D technology, handheld gaming is probably the last thing I ever would have thought of. Overall it's much more of a home-centric technology, and it's weird that they're focusing it on the handheld market.
Maybe I'm disappointed because I'm not huge on handheld gaming. If I'm out somewhere, I'm there for a reason, and generally I'm there with friends. Why would I waste my outside and do other stuff time playing video games? I play video games at home, whether it's by myself or with others, and if I'm at home, why am I going to huddle over a tiny handheld system when I could be much more comfortably playing on a TV?
I'm left wondering why all this third-party support couldn't have been pushed on the Wii.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 01:38:51 PM
Here is a list of third party developers that have something in the works for the 3DS:
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 01:47:52 PM
Here is what we know: • The Nintendo 3DS is black and blue • As promised, this is a glasses-free 3D device • Two cameras on the outside of the device for 3D picture taking • 3D depth slider on the side of the device • Round numb analog stick called the "Slide Pad" • Bottom screen is a touch panel • Below the touch screen are Select, Home and Start buttons • Underneath the A, B, X, Y buttons is the handheld's power button • Motion sensor and gyroscope • Compatible with Nintendo DSi • A camera facing the player above the portable's 3D screen • The ability to play 3D Hollywood movies, like Legends of the Guardians from Warner Brothers • The 3DS launch game will be Kid Icarus: Uprising • It is a powerful system, featuring improved graphics • The 3DS periodically searchs for WiFi spots and other 3DSs • Easy online navigation • No monthly fee for Nintendo's 3DS online access • Nintendo is developing 3D Nintendogs • More than twenty companies have signed on to develop for the 3DS • The top screen is 3.5 inches • Release date is TBA
The machine comes in combination of blue and black, but I am hoping that an all black model is revealed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 01:56:03 PM
There is no word yet on a virtual handheld service, but keep your fingers crossed.
BnM, you got your wish. The 3DS will be able to play 3D movies.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 15, 2010, 02:01:02 PM
It looks like Nintendo online post interviews with Iwata just confirmed Street Fighter IV. :O
It flash a bunch of game names, stating that 3D parties have been working with it for a very long time some of the new games included: SFIV, Ninja Gaiden, Samurai Warrriors.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 02:11:16 PM
If EA is developing for the 3DS I have to wonder if Dead Space 2, or some related Dead Space is coming for the 3DS?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 15, 2010, 02:21:04 PM
Nintendo: * Kid Icarus™: Uprising, the long-awaited franchise follow-up to the NES™ classic. * Mario Kart™, which shows off the potential of driving and tossing bananas in 3D. * nintendogs™ + cats, a new version of the best-selling nintendogs franchise that lets players interact even more with their virtual puppies – and kittens! * PilotWings Resort™, a flying simulation that lets players soar above Wuhu Island. * Animal Crossing™, a new installment of the charming community-building franchise. * StarFox 64™ 3D, a game that demonstrates the true distance and depth of outer space using Nintendo’s well-known franchise. * Steel Diver™, a new submarine-navigation game from Nintendo. * Paper Mario™, which brings paper-based 2D environments to life.
3rd Party: * DJ Hero® 3D from Activision * RESIDENT EVIL® REVELATIONS from Capcom * The Sims™ 3 from Electronic Arts * HIDEO KOJIMA’S METAL GEAR SOLID SNAKE EATER 3D “The Naked Sample” from Konami * Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracles (name not final) from LEVEL-5 * RIDGE RACER® (name not final) from Namco Bandai Games * KINGDOM HEARTS franchise game from Square Enix * DEAD OR ALIVE® 3D (name not final) from Tecmo Koei Games * SAMURAI WARRIORS® 3D from Tecmo Koei Games * Battle of Giants™: Dinosaur Strike from Ubisoft * Hollywood 61 (name not final) from Ubisoft
Street Fighter and Final Fantasy confirmed. A sampling of other Nintendo 3DS games already in planning includes SUPER STREET FIGHTER IV 3D Edition (name not final) from Capcom; Madden NFL and FIFA Soccer games from Electronic Arts; CODENAME: Chocobo Racing® 3D and a FINAL FANTASY ® franchise game and from Square Enix; a NINJA GAIDEN® (name not final) game from Tecmo Koei Games; Saint’s Row: Drive By from THQ; Assassin’s Creed™Lost Legacy, Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon™ and Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell Chaos Theory™ from Ubisoft; and a Batman game from Warner Bros. Additional games are in development by Atlus, AQ Interactive, Disney Interactive Studios, Harmonix, Hudson Soft, Majesco, Marvelous Entertainment, Rocket, SEGA, Takara Tommy and Take-Two Interactive.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on June 15, 2010, 02:30:24 PM
Do you know what's nice about the 3DS? It has NORMAL CONTROLS. I'm sure Nintendo will still **** around with broken touchscreen controls but all the buttons and such are still there.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 15, 2010, 02:38:18 PM
I wonder how well this Slide Pad works because it looks eerily like the analog pad for the PSP, and we all know how well that one works.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 15, 2010, 02:39:04 PM
NES MAX Returns. It reminds me a lot of that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 15, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
I don't know what the NES MAX is.
I thought the top screen was going to be a bit bigger, but oh well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on June 15, 2010, 02:52:42 PM
Nintendo: * Kid Icarus™: Uprising, the long-awaited franchise follow-up to the NES™ classic. * Mario Kart™, which shows off the potential of driving and tossing bananas in 3D. * nintendogs™ + cats, a new version of the best-selling nintendogs franchise that lets players interact even more with their virtual puppies – and kittens! * PilotWings Resort™, a flying simulation that lets players soar above Wuhu Island. * Animal Crossing™, a new installment of the charming community-building franchise. * StarFox 64™ 3D, a game that demonstrates the true distance and depth of outer space using Nintendo’s well-known franchise. * Steel Diver™, a new submarine-navigation game from Nintendo. * Paper Mario™, which brings paper-based 2D environments to life.
3rd Party: * DJ Hero® 3D from Activision * RESIDENT EVIL® REVELATIONS from Capcom * The Sims™ 3 from Electronic Arts * HIDEO KOJIMA’S METAL GEAR SOLID SNAKE EATER 3D “The Naked Sample” from Konami * Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracles (name not final) from LEVEL-5 * RIDGE RACER® (name not final) from Namco Bandai Games * KINGDOM HEARTS franchise game from Square Enix * DEAD OR ALIVE® 3D (name not final) from Tecmo Koei Games * SAMURAI WARRIORS® 3D from Tecmo Koei Games * Battle of Giants™: Dinosaur Strike from Ubisoft * Hollywood 61 (name not final) from Ubisoft
Street Fighter and Final Fantasy confirmed. A sampling of other Nintendo 3DS games already in planning includes SUPER STREET FIGHTER IV 3D Edition (name not final) from Capcom; Madden NFL and FIFA Soccer games from Electronic Arts; CODENAME: Chocobo Racing® 3D and a FINAL FANTASY ® franchise game and from Square Enix; a NINJA GAIDEN® (name not final) game from Tecmo Koei Games; Saint’s Row: Drive By from THQ; Assassin’s Creed™Lost Legacy, Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon™ and Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell Chaos Theory™ from Ubisoft; and a Batman game from Warner Bros. Additional games are in development by Atlus, AQ Interactive, Disney Interactive Studios, Harmonix, Hudson Soft, Majesco, Marvelous Entertainment, Rocket, SEGA, Takara Tommy and Take-Two Interactive.
I am impressed.... Now why couldn't we have gotten a price or date.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 15, 2010, 03:04:15 PM
I thought the top screen was going to be a bit bigger, but oh well.
The NES MAX was an old controller for the NES. It had turbo buttons and instead of a D Pad it has a slider to move in 360 directions. It will be great for shooters! there is a list of games for the 3DS on Nintendo's E3 site. I'm real happy Street Fighter IV is up there along with Metal Gear and Resident Evil. Are there any hopes for games rated T and M coming to the system? Also there are full specs up on the site as well e3.nintendo.com/3ds/. Needless to say I can't wait to get this system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 15, 2010, 03:09:41 PM
Where is the SD card slot and what is that hole in the middle of the 3DS?
I think it's a headphone jack
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 15, 2010, 03:31:07 PM
The carts are 2GB at max and it's noted that the stylus will collapse and extend up to 4 inches. I hope that movies can be downloaded and not bought on separate cartridges. The cart slot is in the back I'm assuming (I haven't seen any pics of it, but Jonny talks about it in his impressions article) and the hole in the front is the headphone jack.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 15, 2010, 03:36:22 PM
Is there internal storage? How much?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 15, 2010, 03:38:30 PM
Has there been any word on the virtual handheld? I am speculating the 3DS will have atleast 1 GB of internal flash and 4GB at the most.
I haven't heard anything, but it would be great to get GB And GBA games to download.
Throw in Game Gear and Neo Geo Pocket colr and we will be set.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 15, 2010, 04:03:42 PM
One thing I noticed is that the analogue stick is only similar to the NES MAX pad in looks. During the Iwata Asks video about the 3DS the system is held at an angle and you can see that the area around it is sunken in and it is more joy stick than the slider that was on the MAX.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 15, 2010, 04:48:22 PM
Sexy:
(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/hardware/red.jpg) edit: From Nintendo says "Final design is TBA." http://e3.nintendo.com/3ds/
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on June 15, 2010, 04:53:08 PM
Please don't have sex with the 3DS, you'll ruin the screens.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on June 15, 2010, 04:55:03 PM
CODENAME: Chocabo Racing 3D (http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/chocobo/0.png)
Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/ssf4/0.png)
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory (http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/scct/0.png)
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon (http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/tcgr/0.png)
More of all these games at: http://e3.nintendo.com/3ds/
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on June 15, 2010, 05:03:21 PM
CylindrialAnimalCrossinghorizonenvironment! Nooo!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on June 15, 2010, 05:05:54 PM
So is this Animal Crossing going to be a new game or is that stone still have some blood left in it?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 15, 2010, 05:26:36 PM
I feel that this Animal Crossing will generally reflect City Folk and probably have nothing really new to offer. Forget that though- why does 3DS get Street Fighter and not Wii?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 15, 2010, 05:33:03 PM
Dead or Alive? Isn't that a Microsoft game?
I have to say I'm very pleased with 3DS. I hope I can get one at launch. I've never been big on handhelds, but this one may deepen my interest. Looks like much 3rd party love.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on June 15, 2010, 05:35:34 PM
Dead or Alive has always been published by Tecmo. It started on the Playstation/Saturn, IIRC.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 15, 2010, 05:37:57 PM
Ok. Fair enough. I don't remember any of that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 15, 2010, 05:47:08 PM
I'm still confused over the different sized screens. Like, why? Would it kill them to make them the same size? There looks like enough space for it. While I doubt they'll change this, I hope they do.
The one thing I hope against hope for is adding an additional analog stick/slide pad. There's no excuse for this. It was passable on PSP because there was no touchscreen. However, I'm left handed. I KNOW there will be games that use the analog stick/slide pad and a stylus and I'll automatically be at a disadvantage because I was born backwards/am not ambidextrous. Boooo-urns!
Star Fox 64 3D? A remake? Really? /facepalm
I hope that Resident Evil game is Resident Evil Jill 3D. INSTANT BUY!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Chad Sexington on June 15, 2010, 05:48:25 PM
The 3DS sounds really awesome. It's incredibly unfortunate that it's a handheld. I mean, of all the avenues that could utilize 3D technology, handheld gaming is probably the last thing I ever would have thought of. Overall it's much more of a home-centric technology, and it's weird that they're focusing it on the handheld market.
Maybe I'm disappointed because I'm not huge on handheld gaming. If I'm out somewhere, I'm there for a reason, and generally I'm there with friends. Why would I waste my outside and do other stuff time playing video games? I play video games at home, whether it's by myself or with others, and if I'm at home, why am I going to huddle over a tiny handheld system when I could be much more comfortably playing on a TV?
I'm left wondering why all this third-party support couldn't have been pushed on the Wii.
It makes perfect sense.
If it were a home console it would only work if people already had 3D TVs.
Once 3D TVs hit mass market I'm sure 3D gaming will soon follow.
Until then, 3D gaming on your hand held without the need for glasses.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on June 15, 2010, 05:53:01 PM
Screen Specs
Top Screen: 3.53-inch widescreen LCD display, enabling 3D view without the need for special glasses; with 800x240 pixel resolution (400 pixels are allocated for each eye to enable 3D viewing). Touch Screen: 3.02-inch LCD with 320x240 pixel resolution with a touch screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 15, 2010, 05:57:07 PM
Good question, maybe it's just a cheap port of the iPhone/iPod Touch version?
I wonder which game Hal is looking forward to more: Dead or Alive 3D or Battle of Giants: Dinosaur Strike? Bouncing 3D boobs or dinosaurs?
Those graphics look great, no wonder game developers were saying it looked like GameCube quality graphics. I want portable Paper Mario.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 15, 2010, 06:31:41 PM
Looking at Gizmodo's 3DS pics it seems the volume is a slide on the left side with the SD slot beneath it. The wireless switch is on the right side. They also have pics of the cart slot, but where where where is the stylus? I haven't seen one in any pic and there's nowhere I can see where it fits onto the system. Also... is that a LAN connector? High Speed Internets coming to 3DS? http://gizmodo.com/5564378/3ds-gallery/gallery
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 06:47:02 PM
I hope the MGS 3 video is just a tech demo for a remake of the original Metal Gear game for the NES. I have been feeling that this game has been in the works for a while and what better place to bring it out on that the 3DS.
Because Move and Kinect will be releasing this fall, Nintendo will release the 3DS this fall as well to have as much of an edge against Sony and Microsoft as they can get. One may argue that it is too soo and rightfully so, but from I have seen from the major first party games Nintendo is ready for war.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on June 15, 2010, 07:05:27 PM
There wasn't a stylus with the units brought out at the theater.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 07:07:37 PM
There wasn't a stylus with the units brought out at the theater.
Jon Metts wrote in his impression for the 3DS that there was a stylus slot on the demo, but the stylus itself was gone. Sources have said that 3DS will have a retractable stylus that folds into the slot.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 15, 2010, 07:13:04 PM
Because Move and Kinect will be releasing this fall, Nintendo will release the 3DS this fall as well to have as much of an edge against Sony and Microsoft as they can get.
The 3DS was the only that Nintendo did not date... Which kind of worried me since they mentioned quite a few 2011 releases. It may not be releasing until the '11 holiday season.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on June 15, 2010, 07:16:16 PM
It would make sense if it did come out in the fall to offset a rather weak Wii lineup. But probably sometime in 2011.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 15, 2010, 07:16:52 PM
Didn't they already announce it was being released before the end of the fiscal year? That would be before the end of March 2011.
Besides, don't be silly. Nintendo's next home console is launching in the 2011 holiday season. :P
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 15, 2010, 07:23:56 PM
Adrock is correct, Nintendo already confirmed that the 3DS will be launched before the end of March 2011. There is 0% chance that it will not be out for 1 1/2 years.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 07:24:31 PM
It just seemed logical that Nintendo would try to off balance its competition's new technology with the newest tech of its own.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 15, 2010, 07:24:52 PM
I am so pumped for these games.
I heard there was an Ocarina of Time remake coming as well? Or is that just someone getting way too excited?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 15, 2010, 07:27:39 PM
There are pictures, but I don't think Nintendo has confirmed it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 07:48:47 PM
I hope that SEGA and Bioware will be kind enough to grace us with Sonic Chronicles 2. I have been waiting for that game for nearly two years and seeing what the 3DS os capable of just makes me want it ever more.
I also hope that Sqaure releases Final Fantasy 5 and 6 for the 3DS and an updated 3D remake of Final Fantasy 7-9. A Chrono Trigger 3D remake would not be bad either and possibly a 3DS sequel to go along with it would be so nice. ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 08:13:01 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 15, 2010, 08:23:33 PM
I don't see the mic though I'm confident it'll be there, especially considering Nintendogs relies so heavily on it. And based on those dimensions, it's about the same size at the DS Lite.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 08:31:34 PM
I am curious to see what multimedia features the 3DS will have and Nintendo might be saving them for later. I know for sure that it will have a photo channel and a music player. However, whether they are the same as the ones on the DSi or upgraded versions awaits to be seen. I jsut want to know how much internal flash memory it will ahve because it may be a sign that a virtual handheld servie is coming.
I am going to stake my reputation on the notion that if Nintendo were to release the 3DS tomorrow it would sell atleast a million units in a short period of time.
How would you guys feel if Final Fantasy 7 to 9 were remade in 3D for the 3DS?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Halbred on June 15, 2010, 08:34:43 PM
@ Spyke: There's going to be another Giant Dinosaurs game? Eh. I get my dinosaur kicks from actual source material and technical papers. That means I'm looking forward to the bewbies. Big, jiggly 3D knockers. Can't freaking wait.
@ Kytim: While I hope you're right, the screens definately seem to indicate that the game is a port or remake of Snake Eater.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 15, 2010, 08:35:22 PM
What is the significance of the 2GB 3DS carts compared to memory of DS carts? Could the storage of 3DS carts expand? Do you think they would bring the price up because of the quality of the games?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 15, 2010, 08:38:45 PM
2GB is larger than Gamecube optical discs and UMDs. I would expect it to expand should games require it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 08:40:13 PM
@ Spyke: There's going to be another Giant Dinosaurs game? Eh. I get my dinosaur kicks from actual source material and technical papers. That means I'm looking forward to the bewbies. Big, jiggly 3D knockers. Can't freaking wait.
@ Kytim: While I hope you're right, the screens definately seem to indicate that the game is a port or remake of Snake Eater.
Why Snake Eater? I mean that game kicked serious ass, but I would not mind a remake of Metal Gear featuring a young Solid Snake.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on June 15, 2010, 08:43:59 PM
What is the significance of the 2GB 3DS carts compared to memory of DS carts? Could the storage of 3DS carts expand? Do you think they would bring the price up because of the quality of the games?
2GB is 4x larger than the largest currently announced DS game (512 MB for the Ghibli/Level 5 RPG).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 15, 2010, 08:59:28 PM
TheFleece, the largest DS game card is about 400 MB, so bumping that up to 2GB would allow for a lot more data. As Adrock said, it's also larger than both the GameCube Optical Disc (1.4 GB) and the UMD (1.8 GB). The DS has expanded multiple times in size (the only restriction being that the larger cards cost more money to make), so the 3DS could potentially as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 15, 2010, 09:04:38 PM
TheFleece, the largest DS game card is about 400 MB, so bumping that up to 2GB would allow for a lot more data. As Adrock said, it's also larger than both the GameCube Optical Disc (1.4 GB) and the UMD (1.8 GB). The DS has expanded multiple times in size (the only restriction being that the larger cards cost more money to make), so the 3DS could potentially as well.
Frikkin amazing! All this talk has got me wishing for the release details. There are some new developer videos up on the E3 site. Kojima, Inafune and others. e3.nintendo.com/ I WANT ONE!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 09:32:56 PM
I wonder if Suda 51 is interested in making a No More Heroes game for the 3DS?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on June 15, 2010, 09:47:55 PM
@ Spyke: There's going to be another Giant Dinosaurs game? Eh. I get my dinosaur kicks from actual source material and technical papers. That means I'm looking forward to the bewbies. Big, jiggly 3D knockers. Can't freaking wait.
@ Kytim: While I hope you're right, the screens definately seem to indicate that the game is a port or remake of Snake Eater.
Why Snake Eater? I mean that game kicked serious ass, but I would not mind a remake of Metal Gear featuring a young Solid Snake.
MGS3 remake is absolutely pointless, unless this is his way for giving Nintendo something in return since they allowed Snake in Brawl.
I would've preferred a remake of the first Botkai game using the weather engine from Lunar Knights.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 15, 2010, 10:19:20 PM
What are the 2 ports on the back of the 3DS on either side of the game card slot, specifically the port next to the Stylus hole. http://cache-01.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/06/e3-8.jpg
Can anyone tell what that is? I', sure the one on the left side (near the R button) is a charging port, but what is the other one?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 15, 2010, 10:21:35 PM
What are the 2 ports on the back of the 3DS on either side of the game card slot, specifically the port next to the Stylus hole. http://cache-01.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/06/e3-8.jpg
Can anyone tell what that is? I', sure the one on the left side (near the R button) is a charging port, but what is the other one?
That would be the Stylus holder and a LAN port.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 15, 2010, 10:37:01 PM
I really really hope they put two identical sized screen in the final unit.
But assuming this cost $189.99, would any of you be willing to buy a 3DS XL $219.99 that had 2x4.5" screens? (basically 2 EVO 4G sized screens)
I would easily put down more for an XL version.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 11:16:40 PM
I would just with what is already available, but I hope they switch the position of the analog nub and the d-pad because I like the d-pad to be flush with the other four buttons.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on June 15, 2010, 11:20:28 PM
I hope they switch the position of the analog nub and the d-pad because I like the d-pad to be flush with the other four buttons.
Why would the d-pad be flush? Did one of the other buttons write it a romantic poem?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MysticGohan on June 15, 2010, 11:21:12 PM
Possibly BnM, I still would like a launch date and official pricing, depending when it comes out, I may chose this rather PS3 heh. MGS Snake eater has me excited let alone Star fox 64, OO,T Kid Icarus, etc.
However I wonder how powerful 3DS really is? Devs claimed it was on par with 360/PS3 hmmm... it does look better than GameCube.
Man, I love how developers are behind it, and 3D movies too? awesome! I wonder if it'll have the internet browser? hmm...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 15, 2010, 11:24:14 PM
I didn't find anything on 3D movies and The Nintendo Conference Video wasn't available in the 3 places I went looking for it.
Anyone got a direct quote or a youtube clip or something?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 11:24:51 PM
I hope they switch the position of the analog nub and the d-pad because I like the d-pad to be flush with the other four buttons.
Why would the d-pad be flush? Did one of the other buttons write it a romantic poem?
Your are thinking of the word "blush." I am refering to the d-pad being adjacent to the other four buttons.
Oh. But Wikipedia says that it means to become markedly red in the face and often other areas of the skin from various physiological conditions (such as Carcinoid Syndrome). Do you think 3DS could have Wikipedia built into it?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 11:33:13 PM
I hope they switch the position of the analog nub and the d-pad because I like the d-pad to be flush with the other four buttons.
Here is what I meant by the word flush: Having surfaces in the same plane; even. b. Arranged with adjacent sides, surfaces, or edges close together: a sofa flush against the wall. See This is an old carpentry term. I hve used when I hung dry wall and we would say that the dry wall sheet was flush with the wall meaning it lined up properly with the studs in the wall and did not over lap into door frames, etc. The word has many meanings, sorry for the mix up.
Why would the d-pad be flush? Did one of the other buttons write it a romantic poem?
Your are thinking of the word "blush." I am refering to the d-pad being adjacent to the other four buttons.
Oh. But Wikipedia says that it means to become markedly red in the face and often other areas of the skin from various physiological conditions (such as Carcinoid Syndrome). Do you think 3DS could have Wikipedia built into it?
Here is what I meant by the word flush: Having surfaces in the same plane; even. b. Arranged with adjacent sides, surfaces, or edges close together: a sofa flush against the wall. See This is an old carpentry term. I hve used when I hung dry wall and we would say that the dry wall sheet was flush with the wall meaning it lined up properly with the studs in the wall and did not over lap into door frames, etc. The word has many meanings, sorry for the mix up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 15, 2010, 11:54:00 PM
• The ability to play 3D Hollywood movies, like Legends of the Guardians from Warner Brothers
I've never heard of that movie. But that movie is coming out this fall, and Avatar 3D is supposedly coming back to theaters this fall and Netflix3D should be ready to go around then too. So 3DS better have some bad ass UI and channels and all that stuff and Netflix (& Hulu3D) better be the one of the first 3rd party channels on the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 15, 2010, 11:57:14 PM
Has anyone actually seen a stylus yet?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 15, 2010, 11:59:01 PM
I hope they switch the position of the analog nub and the d-pad because I like the d-pad to be flush with the other four buttons.
Here is what I meant by the word flush: Having surfaces in the same plane; even. b. Arranged with adjacent sides, surfaces, or edges close together: a sofa flush against the wall. See This is an old carpentry term. I hve used when I hung dry wall and we would say that the dry wall sheet was flush with the wall meaning it lined up properly with the studs in the wall and did not over lap into door frames, etc. The word has many meanings, sorry for the mix up.
Why would the d-pad be flush? Did one of the other buttons write it a romantic poem?
Your are thinking of the word "blush." I am refering to the d-pad being adjacent to the other four buttons.
Oh. But Wikipedia says that it means to become markedly red in the face and often other areas of the skin from various physiological conditions (such as Carcinoid Syndrome). Do you think 3DS could have Wikipedia built into it?
Here is what I meant by the word flush: Having surfaces in the same plane; even. b. Arranged with adjacent sides, surfaces, or edges close together: a sofa flush against the wall. See This is an old carpentry term. I hve used when I hung dry wall and we would say that the dry wall sheet was flush with the wall meaning it lined up properly with the studs in the wall and did not over lap into door frames, etc. The word has many meanings, sorry for the mix up.
Not to be verbally anal, but what you mean is "vertically aligned". Technically the dpad and the face buttons are already flush (or near), since they protrude from the body at the same height, meaning their surfaces reside in the same plane (your original definition).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 16, 2010, 12:00:57 AM
This is what I'm thinking. Surely if it was a normal stylus we would have seen it in the photos. There must be more to it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 16, 2010, 12:03:56 AM
obviously Nintendo has something else planned to finish the 3DS reveal with the final design and general internal specs, along with Pikmin 3 & Vitality sensor.
I would assume that the 3DS has atleast as much RAM as the Wii though which would mean that the 3DS would probably be as capable as a Wii at the very least.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 16, 2010, 12:08:38 AM
3DS Stylus has internal memory that lets you transfer data from unit to unit by putting the stylus into it's holder.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 16, 2010, 12:10:22 AM
obviously Nintendo has something else planned to finish the 3DS reveal with the final design and general internal specs, along with Pikmin 3 & Vitality sensor.
I would assume that the 3DS has atleast as much RAM as the Wii though which would mean that the 3DS would probably be as capable as a Wii at the very least.
They still have not talked about a virtual handheld service and I have a strong feeling that the 3DS will have this service once it releases. It seems like Nintendo is digging into the past with all these remakes of older titles and what better way to explore the past than with a virtual handheld service.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 16, 2010, 12:10:27 AM
I really really hope they put two identical sized screen in the final unit.
But assuming this cost $189.99, would any of you be willing to buy a 3DS XL $219.99 that had 2x4.5" screens?
I would. I think it's worth the extra money. I kind of get the impression that since the top screen is the 3D one, Nintendo just assumed that developers will use that as the "action" screen despite the fact that several DS games, including some of their own, used both screens for gameplay. I think switching between the 2 sizes would be disorienting. Since the E3 unit isn't final, I think it's possible for Nintendo to change this though I wouldn't hold my breath. I would prefer if both screens were touch and 3D as well but that's asking too much.
I really hope they reconsider the addition of a right analog stick/slide pad. It makes sense. I think it depends on 3rd party input and E3 impressions. Nintendo has plenty of time to adjust the hardware. Still, not holding my breath. Would be nice though. You'd think this wouldn't be an issue considering everyone and their mother agreed that PSP would have greatly benefit from a second analog nub, even if a game still worked well without it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 16, 2010, 12:35:25 AM
Engadget is reporting that none of the demos on the show floor actually used the accelerometer/gyroscope... you would think that would be a feature they would want to show off. Nintendo themselves could have used it for Pilotwings to demonstrate its accuracy. Along with them leaving out rumble, and a release date, it makes me wonder just how far along the 3DS really is, that even Nintendo didn't have those features in their games.
Engadget also has brief impressions of some games which I was glad to find:
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 16, 2010, 12:39:14 AM
I still think that Nintendo should put the 3DS d-pad where the analog nub is located. Second, the dial/lever for the 3D visuals on the upper screen should be changed to something like the volume nodes on the DSi. A dial seems to vulnerable to wear and tear and potential damage. They could put the nodes in the bottom right corner of the upper screen and I would be happy. They could make it touch sensitive with the pointer of the stylus to adjsut the 3D image.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2010, 12:41:14 AM
I forgot about rumble! Maybe there's hope! (Probably not)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 16, 2010, 12:49:46 AM
That analog nub kind of looks like the d-pad of the Neo Geo Pocket. Which adds more credence to my theory that the 3DS will have a virtual handheld service.
Classics collection: Something we wouldn't expect, but a roundup of a few of Nintendo's classic titles (Super Mario Bros., Yoshi's Island were a couple we saw) is actually served pretty will by the 3DS, with those familiar pixelated backgrounds given just a bit of depth. It's unclear if, when or how this would hit market, but we sure hope it does.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 16, 2010, 01:27:36 AM
I just got an idea on how Nintendo can sell this system like gangbusters to gamers outside their typical fanbase. Set demo units of this badboy at Gamestop, BestBuy, Walmart, and any other large store with Madden 11. Madden 11 in 3d will have a chunck of current PSP owners jumping ship with the quickness. We already know the Nintendo fanbase will be purchasing the system day 1 along with the casuals that get caught up in all the holiday hype, but the Sony and Xbox followers will swarm to Madden and the like.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 16, 2010, 03:00:42 AM
Does anyone know if the touch screen is multitouch? Or if it has more touch sensors? Not that it matters much, because multitouch may not be useful on a small screen.
Also, I am really pleased with those updated graphics on the Nintendo 64 games. I am hoping that Nintendo decides to release a 3DS store for downloads that have been 3D-ified. And it sounds exactly like what Nintendo would do...upgrade the graphics and add 3D and then sell it again to all of us.
Though, if they are full fledged games maybe they can have additional content? I will still buy them just for the updated graphics and 3D but I want more.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 16, 2010, 03:09:11 AM
As far as we know, it's a stylus-based touch screen, and (also as far as we know) it only has one stylus.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 16, 2010, 03:56:43 AM
Stylus control doesn't mean it can't be multi-touch...just unlikely.
I think I am excited about a Classic Nintendo Collection. I would love Nintendo to release a full priced game that has 3Dified classic games.
Like 10 classic Nintendo games, would be awesome. Then perhaps a 64 collection.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MysticGohan on June 16, 2010, 05:08:02 AM
Can't wait to see what the 3DS can really do, I hope they'll announce the launch date/price soon, this looks awesome. On could be on Par with PS3/360. I doubt sony could counter that, seeing their financial issues with the psp among other things.
Oot looks good.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on June 16, 2010, 11:43:28 AM
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but the Sony and Xbox followers will swarm to Madden and the like.
Just what I always wanted, whiny teenager fan brats in my fanbase. :I
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 16, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Just what I always wanted, whiny teenager fan brats in my fanbase. :I
Hey, I'm a fan of Madden and sports games in general, I take offence to that. j/k lol. I get what your saying but you shouldn't stereotype gamers less you be stereotyped yourself lol. I'm sure there are whiney teenager brats in the Madden demograph but from my experience through my Friends, the Madden fans and the like are always adults who fall in between the casual and the hardcore. They like their shooters, sports, and multiplayer games but don't really put too much into gaming as a whole to see gems like Kirby's Epic Yarn (for example) for what they're worth. They either never hear of such games or if they do, they just dismiss it out of ignorance (which they aren't even aware they have)
All in all though, I'm thinking more towards Nintendo's benefit, not us. Nintendo would want to eat into the PSP fanbase. Having these type of games opens the doors for others to follow such as one of the numbered GTA series or something similar to Forza/GTA as examples. I for one would love to have some of those games we don't see too often on a handheld.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 16, 2010, 12:23:16 PM
That analog nub kind of looks like the d-pad of the Neo Geo Pocket. Which adds more credence to my theory that the 3DS will have a virtual handheld service.
The virtual handheld service would be even better if Nintendo and the other comapnies went back and made their titles in 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 16, 2010, 01:17:56 PM
I found this great in depth video of the 3DS which I'd like to pass on to you all. It explains all the ports and buttons on the system which one in particular caught my eye. On the back of the system, there is a port which many thought was for LAN port but in the video I think he describes it as an infra-red receiver.
They also compare the 3d affect from the 3DS to that on the PS3 which I found some of the comments to be very interesting. They stated that some of the 3d in the Killzone demo felt layered as apposed to actual depth. Let me stop describing it and let you see for yourself, here's the link
I really really hope they put two identical sized screen in the final unit.
But assuming this cost $189.99, would any of you be willing to buy a 3DS XL $219.99 that had 2x4.5" screens?
I would. I think it's worth the extra money. I kind of get the impression that since the top screen is the 3D one, Nintendo just assumed that developers will use that as the "action" screen despite the fact that several DS games, including some of their own, used both screens for gameplay. I think switching between the 2 sizes would be disorienting. Since the E3 unit isn't final, I think it's possible for Nintendo to change this though I wouldn't hold my breath. I would prefer if both screens were touch and 3D as well but that's asking too much.
I really hope they reconsider the addition of a right analog stick/slide pad. It makes sense. I think it depends on 3rd party input and E3 impressions. Nintendo has plenty of time to adjust the hardware. Still, not holding my breath. Would be nice though. You'd think this wouldn't be an issue considering everyone and their mother agreed that PSP would have greatly benefit from a second analog nub, even if a game still worked well without it.
I think the screen mis-sizing is on purpose to discourage developers using both as one screen. Nintendo had made a comment about how the touch screens gets smudgy and not ideal for viewing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 16, 2010, 03:51:23 PM
I think the screen mis-sizing is on purpose to discourage developers using both as one screen. Nintendo had made a comment about how the touch screens gets smudgy and not ideal for viewing.
Maybe. Sounds like PR to me, kind of like when Sony said they ditched rumble in favor motion controls because they supposedly couldn't coexist. Besides, with 3D optional, there's really no reason why both screens can't be used for gameplay. Nintendo themselves even had a few games that used both screens for action. For example, New Super Mario Bros. switched screens sometimes albeit not terribly often. I kind of feel like that's the advantage of having 2 screens and so many options. I don't think Nintendo should be discouraging developers from anything. They should want developers to use their hardware in any inventive way they please in order to make the best games possible.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 16, 2010, 05:30:34 PM
This 3DS model might be a prototype and Nintendo has the real thing for reveal later in the year. This is just like the actual DS prototype that was shown at E3 2004 and the actual version was released later that year and was radically different that what was hown at E3 of that year.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2010, 05:40:18 PM
Yeah, the E3 2004 DS models were hideous. Still, the changes were purely cosmetic. The chances of Nintendo changing one of the screens and adding an additional analog slider thing is slim at best. Not impossible, but probably not going to happen. If people speak out, especially developers, they might convince Nintendo. I remember reading that Epic Games showed Microsoft what Gears of War would look like with the planned 256MB of RAM then with 512 MB of RAM and then Microsoft was went ahead and added the extra RAM. Still, that's Microsoft and this is Nintendo. I digress. Making those additions probably wouldn't be too hard between now and when the design is finalized, but I'm not expecting much.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 16, 2010, 08:25:39 PM
Yeah, the E3 2004 DS models were hideous. Still, the changes were purely cosmetic. The chances of Nintendo changing one of the screens and adding an additional analog slider thing is slim at best. Not impossible, but probably not going to happen. If people speak out, especially developers, they might convince Nintendo. I remember reading that Epic Games showed Microsoft what Gears of War would look like with the planned 256MB of RAM then with 512 MB of RAM and then Microsoft was went ahead and added the extra RAM. Still, that's Microsoft and this is Nintendo. I digress. Making those additions probably wouldn't be too hard between now and when the design is finalized, but I'm not expecting much.
Is it too far fetched to assume that a Mass Effect and Gears of War 3DS game could happen, but I see Microsoft clamping down on this though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 16, 2010, 09:45:35 PM
I found this great in depth video of the 3DS which I'd like to pass on to you all. It explains all the ports and buttons on the system which one in particular caught my eye. On the back of the system, there is a port which many thought was for LAN port but in the video I think he describes it as an infra-red receiver.
They also compare the 3d affect from the 3DS to that on the PS3 which I found some of the comments to be very interesting. They stated that some of the 3d in the Killzone demo felt layered as apposed to actual depth. Let me stop describing it and let you see for yourself, here's the link
He did say infrared but that seems awfully redundant especially considering its location. It can't be used to track the stylus, or be used during gameplay unless it's like a 'Z' button, but infrared to serve other purposes... DS's can already communicate wirelessly with each other, so are we going to be transferring 3D pics, apps, movie trailers, and gameclips by infrared? Why would that be necessary?
OR!!! is it for the Wiimote??
Edit: Quote from the video comparing Sony 3D to Nintendo: "On 3D TV's that you see, basically half the light is diverted to one image, half of the light diverted to the other, so there's a sort of darkness about it. Whereas this(3DS) it's pristine, it's bright, it's clear, it's Nintendo! You know? It's bright, it's beautiful."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 16, 2010, 10:04:40 PM
He did say infrared but that seems awfully redundant especially considering its location. It can't be used to track the stylus, or be used during gameplay unless it's like a 'Z' button, but infrared to serve other purposes... DS's can already communicate wirelessly with each other, so are we going to be transferring 3D pics, apps, movie trailers, and gameclips by infrared? Why would that be necessary?
OR!!! is it for the Wiimote??
I'm not sure how the Wii remote would use an IR receiver with its own IR receiver.
I'm guessing it's there to be there - just in case they want to do more things like Personal Trainer: Walking or Pokéwalker type applications. One IR receiver on the system is cheaper than IR receivers in each game pak.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 16, 2010, 11:06:29 PM
Oh, I should have said that maybe it's not an IR receiver but transmitter if it did a broad spread it could replace sensor bar, not saying that's what it is though, I was joking.
I was serious however when I said it seemed awfully redundant... Unless... it will function as a Wii controller that could be cool.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 16, 2010, 11:42:40 PM
I think it is smart to have different sized screens. It allows us to have a bigger screen for gameplay, but also the size of the system doesn't change.
Also the touchscreen is good for an input device, but not always good for gameplay, specially if you are touching it at the same time, or having to look at both screens.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on June 16, 2010, 11:56:25 PM
Does this quote mean what I think it means?
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Playing games is about playing games with my friends, and I want to know what my other friends are playing online. And that's going to give me the ability, and it's also going to let me know that - sports scores, because I'm interested in sports, exchanging achievements with other players. Because when you look at DS penetration rates, there are going to be a lot of friends to talk to and communicate with.
The speaker is EA's Ryan Stradling. The source is http://e3.nintendo.com/interviews/#/?v=interview_stradling
Knowing what your friends are playing online? Cheevos? In a Nintendo video?
Is this EA-specific or, god help us, does the 3DS have a XBL-like system?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 16, 2010, 11:57:13 PM
I would love to see a Madworld game for the 3DS. Imagine a 3D chain saw and blood spatter. :cool;
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 17, 2010, 12:09:52 AM
Playing games is about playing games with my friends, and I want to know what my other friends are playing online. And that's going to give me the ability, and it's also going to let me know that - sports scores, because I'm interested in sports, exchanging achievements with other players. Because when you look at DS penetration rates, there are going to be a lot of friends to talk to and communicate with.
The speaker is EA's Ryan Stradling. The source is http://e3.nintendo.com/interviews/#/?v=interview_stradling (http://e3.nintendo.com/interviews/#/?v=interview_stradling)
Knowing what your friends are playing online? Cheevos? In a Nintendo video?
Is this EA-specific or, god help us, does the 3DS have a XBL-like system?
Oh man, I would love a "modern" feature like a friend list on wii. -_-
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2010, 12:13:31 AM
I think it is smart to have different sized screens. It allows us to have a bigger screen for gameplay, but also the size of the system doesn't change.
Also the touchscreen is good for an input device, but not always good for gameplay, specially if you are touching it at the same time, or having to look at both screens.
But it looks like there is enough room for the wide screen on the bottom without even moving the analog, dpad or buttons.
& there is sooo much unused real estate on the top screen area that it kind of bugs me little. How about a bigger top screen and then a wide screen touch screen too (would also work well with onscreen keyboard)?
I'm seriously hoping they reconsider on the bottom screen considering that there is already enough room for it with out even having to reorganize the bottom or move any of the inputs.
Playing games is about playing games with my friends, and I want to know what my other friends are playing online. And that's going to give me the ability, and it's also going to let me know that - sports scores, because I'm interested in sports, exchanging achievements with other players. Because when you look at DS penetration rates, there are going to be a lot of friends to talk to and communicate with.
The speaker is EA's Ryan Stradling. The source is http://e3.nintendo.com/interviews/#/?v=interview_stradling (http://e3.nintendo.com/interviews/#/?v=interview_stradling)
Knowing what your friends are playing online? Cheevos? In a Nintendo video?
Is this EA-specific or, god help us, does the 3DS have a XBL-like system?
I'm sure Nintendo has heard the outcry form it's now more massive than ever fanbase and has been spending those profits accordingly. They didn't mention an LIVE like service before for nothing. Nintendo seems to be the master at telling you what they are working on without ever telling you much at all, and you never know that they just hinted to you until it's been officially revealed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on June 17, 2010, 12:34:00 AM
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Is this EA-specific or, god help us, does the 3DS have a XBL-like system?
Maybe it's that OS that lets you have multiple things open at once that they were talking about. Sounds great to me.
Anyway, I don't think we've discussed the tagline, there's so much they can do with it. I think 'It's N your face' would be fineblow chunks blow 3D chunks
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on June 17, 2010, 12:56:20 AM
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& there is sooo much unused real estate on the top screen area that it kind of bugs me little. How about a bigger top screen and then a wide screen touch screen too (would also work well with onscreen keyboard)?
But think about the price. I would assume that a regular touch screen, would be substantially cheaper than a 3D touch screen. If you go adding 3D touch screen I would imagine the price would sky rocket. Sure they are around, but are apparently only new tech, and possibly unreliable. I think one is fine. But I would like bigger screens.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 17, 2010, 02:38:37 AM
I can not say this enough, I want them to switch the position of the d-pad and the analog nub. A bigger top screen would be nice as well fr playing movies.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 17, 2010, 03:00:36 AM
I can not say this enough, I want them to switch the position of the d-pad and the analog nub. A bigger top screen would be nice as well fr playing movies.
You can say it as many times as you want, but your still wrong. The primary control system should be an analog stick, I mean we want accurate, smooth movement in 3D environments right? D-Pad's need not apply.
Did you play Star Fox 64 thinking, **** IF ONLY IT WERE AN SNES CONTROLLER.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on June 17, 2010, 03:14:33 AM
Could someone make a stick with a base that could pop into that slider?
Ah screw it, bad idea.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2010, 03:16:16 AM
& there is sooo much unused real estate on the top screen area that it kind of bugs me little. How about a bigger top screen and then a wide screen touch screen too (would also work well with onscreen keyboard)?
But think about the price. I would assume that a regular touch screen, would be substantially cheaper than a 3D touch screen. If you go adding 3D touch screen I would imagine the price would sky rocket. Sure they are around, but are apparently only new tech, and possibly unreliable. I think one is fine. But I would like bigger screens.
I didn't say anything about a 3D touch screen. Just a larger one, on the bottom, and then an even larger top screen to fill in some of that empty space. I say just push the system up to $199 and with all the games just revealed, it will still sell out.
It hasn't even come out yet and it's already amassing a far better 3rd party line up than the Wii has in 4 years. Top that off with more stellar 1st party support and 3D movies and you won't keep this on the shelf for the next 5 years.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 17, 2010, 06:38:57 AM
I like the idea that this could work as a Wii controller. Combining touch controls with Wii games would be pretty neat and something I always wanted to see happen with other games between Wii and DS. I hope it can synch up with the Wii like that via Bluetooth.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MysticGohan on June 17, 2010, 09:49:19 AM
Hey guys, question. Will the 3D effect of the 3DS work for me? I have one eye that's lazy and astigmatism. I've watched Disney's Christmas Carol with the 3D glasses and it worked for me, so I'm assuming it will be the same for the 3DS? I really want the 3D effect to work for me when I purchase the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 17, 2010, 10:26:40 AM
Hey guys, question. Will the 3D effect of the 3DS work for me? I have one eye that's lazy and astigmatism. I've watched Disney's Christmas Carol with the 3D glasses and it worked for me, so I'm assuming it will be the same for the 3DS? I really want the 3D effect to work for me when I purchase the system.
There's a good chance you will see it. The nice thing about the 3DS is that you don't need to be able to see the 3D in order to enjoy the system because the 3D can be turned off.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MysticGohan on June 17, 2010, 04:41:16 PM
That's good to hear, I heard that one eye and people with lazy eye wouldn't be able to see the 3D effect, so I was worried. As Disney's Christmas Carol 3D worked for me last Christmas, so I would hope the 3DS would too. I'm really stoked, this is the first time since the DS that I've been excited over a handheld, I love the DS.. however I've only ever brought two games in the last 6 years I've owned it.
The 3DS has a great library already and I'm really stoked, Snake eater looks impressive. I just wonder what the pricing will be for both system and games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on June 17, 2010, 04:50:51 PM
You only got one eye?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Rize on June 17, 2010, 04:57:14 PM
Is there any info or screens for the classic game collection? I'm curious about that. What is it classic arcade games (or console games) where the background layers appear at various 3D depths? It would be mostly a gimmick, but could be kinda cool to see sprites doing that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MysticGohan on June 17, 2010, 05:00:10 PM
lol, no. I have an eye disorder, one of my eyes is lazy and astigmatism. So I was hoping that wouldn't interfere with the 3DS's 3d effect.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 17, 2010, 06:10:40 PM
I think it is smart to have different sized screens. It allows us to have a bigger screen for gameplay, but also the size of the system doesn't change.
Also the touchscreen is good for an input device, but not always good for gameplay, specially if you are touching it at the same time, or having to look at both screens.
The different sized screens don't really matter except for when the action switches between them. Games like Contra 4 wouldn't work unless the sides of the top screen were blacked out. By this, I'm not referring to backward compatibility. Rather, a game that uses both screens as one big screen. If that's the only real difference, I can't see Nintendo justifying this design choice. Everything that can be done with the current 3DS set-up is possible with 2 widescreen displays. For games that need the whole screen for gameplay, there's the top screen. However, some of the most innovative software on DS such as Elite Beat Agents, Nintendogs, and The World Ends with You used the touch screen as the main screen for control and gameplay.
But it looks like there is enough room for the wide screen on the bottom without even moving the analog, dpad or buttons.
Pretty sure there is, however, the point is moot, considering these are prototypes which may reflect the final design, but are prototypes nonetheless. If there isn't room, Nintendo has like 8-9 months to come up with a different design. Nintendo did it in less time 6 years ago.
And I'm with you on the real-estate of the top screen. It's due to the bezel and placement of start/home/select which could be easily moved.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MysticGohan on June 17, 2010, 06:48:43 PM
anyone believes that it'll launch around the holidays this year? Seems to be following in the footsteps of it's predecessor I'd be really excited if that's the case for an US launch this holiday.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 17, 2010, 06:56:56 PM
I don't. Nintendo has no reason to. DS, in all it's incarnations, and Wii are still selling well. Not as well, but well. I think Nintendo should let their current hardware have one more holiday season. 3DS doesn't need the holiday season to sell. It's going to sell and it's going to sell well.... even in March 2011.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 17, 2010, 07:08:24 PM
Fear Effect 1 and 2 for the PS1 should be remade into 3D for the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 17, 2010, 07:19:14 PM
I don't. Nintendo has no reason to. DS, in all it's incarnations, and Wii are still selling well. Not as well, but well. I think Nintendo should let their current hardware have one more holiday season. 3DS doesn't need the holiday season to sell. It's going to sell and it's going to sell well.... even in March 2011.
Just release it before Sony announced PSPenis 2 at E3 2011. I'd like Holiday though :P
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2010, 09:27:34 PM
anyone believes that it'll launch around the holidays this year? Seems to be following in the footsteps of it's predecessor I'd be really excited if that's the case for an US launch this holiday.
I believe it will launch in Japan this Xmas season and in the US before march 2011.
3DS carts are uptp 2GB in size at launch. Several 3DS games can be stored on the 3DS and accessed from a menu. This means that the 3DS Has 3x2GB (because several games would lead me to believe atleast 3) of internal memory or 6+GB of onboard storage. or do you think Nintendo would let you save the games themselves to an encrypted SD card and run straight from there?
Damnit BnM can't get enough can you? I <3 you lol.
I'm playing catch up here, I missed all the action when it was live, so forgive me if you've seen some of the stuff I'm posting about right now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 17, 2010, 11:16:57 PM
The MGS 3 tech demo is showing off the ability of the hardware. I have a feeling that a remake of the original Metal Gear for NES is in the works with the same level of detail as that of the tech demo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2010, 11:26:53 PM
The MGS 3 tech demo is showing off the ability of the hardware. I have a feeling that a remake of the original Metal Gear for NES is in the works with the same level of detail as that of the tech demo.
What makes you say that?
Ughhh. I'm usually so on top of this, I feel like I've missed everything.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2010, 11:56:20 PM
Miyamoto talks 3DS Tag mode & Game Download (Nikkei article)
http://wii.ign.com/articles/110/1100039p1.html
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IGN: Other than revealing that the 3DS has improved wireless (like with the tag mode) and improved always-on features at Wi-Fi spots, there wasn't much talk about any improved online strategies. I'm wondering, what is Nintendo (http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025047.html) doing to improve the online experience? Both on the portables as well as Wii?
Miyamoto: We're obviously in an era now where wireless connectivity is pretty pervasive, and you can find it anywhere. And because of that we're going to continue to look at ways to supplement our online experience. But I think the thing that's important to keep in mind is that as long as the technology is the same, then the services that people offer are all going to tend to gravitate toward the same kinds of things. Nintendo's way is that what we're going to be focused on is what we can do with that online experience, to make it feel unique and more Nintendo-like.
One of the reasons we're focusing on the Tag Mode (or Bark Mode) is that we're looking at ways to not only implement that kind of virtual connection to a network, but also to try to do something unique with these person-to-person connections when you're passing by someone on the street. And I think that there are some interesting elements to that that we can implement into our games that will create a new type of fun that we haven't been able to see elsewhere.
The other thing that we're trying to do with the Nintendo 3DS is that even for people who don't have wireless access in their home, our goal is that by carrying the device around with them they'll be able to connect to wireless networks elsewhere. And without even realizing it, they'll notice some kind of change in their game data, or a download containing new information. I think that that kind of surprise element is something that will have a very Nintendo feel to it.
IGN: At the developer roundtable, you were talking about ideas for why you've gone 3D with the 3DS. One of them was that when seeing one of the Mario series' floating coin boxes, it's easier to hit it in 3D. With all the tech demos that were out there, I'm surprised that Mario wasn't shown. And I'm wondering that if you had that in your mind, why didn't Mario make a showing?
Miyamoto: We could have very easily done a quick, Mario-based tech demo that would show something like that. But one of the things I'm always concerned about is showing people a Mario game before it's ready to be shown. So that's why we held back this time. But now that Super Mario Galaxy 2 is done, we'll be able to go hard at work on a new Mario game for Nintendo 3DS. You can expect to see a Mario game at some point. You'll just have to wait a little bit longer.
IGN: The Nikkei newspaper revealed this morning that the 3DS system has some sort of software installation option. I'm wondering if you can comment further on what was announced.
Miyamoto: I'm not familiar with the article that you're referencing, but of course even with Nintendo DSi we introduced DSiWare and we introduced applications that were built into the system menu. So I wonder if maybe they were talking about something along those lines?
IGN: They're actually not. They're saying that there's an option you can use to install software so that you don't have to bring your cartridges with you. It was something separate from DSiWare.
Miyamoto: I'm not familiar with that.
Tag mode sounds.... interesting, but I'd like to see what they actually use it for. Seems like something made with AC in mind.
And as far as the software install, I'm sure Miyamoto is playing dumb as to not reveal anything that shouldn't be revealed yet.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 18, 2010, 05:21:05 AM
Is there any info or screens for the classic game collection? I'm curious about that. What is it classic arcade games (or console games) where the background layers appear at various 3D depths? It would be mostly a gimmick, but could be kinda cool to see sprites doing that sort of thing.
Quote from: IGN
here are many, many tech demos for the Nintendo (http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025047.html) 3DS at Nintendo's booth, both on the floor and off. One of the more surprising of the tech demos was something called "Classic Games (http://ds.ign.com/objects/077/077908.html)." In this interactive but nonplayable demo, you could cycle through 18 different pixel-perfect NES and Super NES games and see them reprocessed in 3D.
Basically, all the sprites and backgrounds have been pulled forward or pushed backwards to provide the appropriate illusion of depth using the stereoscopic LCD of the system. It's obviously a proof of concept to show that you can bring back the classics in a whole new way: in 3D.
The list of games in this collection included Mario Bros., Tennis, Super Mario Bros. The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Musasame, Punch-Out!!, Excitebike, NES Open Golf, Twin Bee, Super Mario World, Kirby's Adventure, Mega Man 2, Castlevania, Urban Champ, Kid Icarus, Yoshi's Island, and Smash Ping Pong.
To be honest, it was fun to see the added depth. Bald Bull's bulging bicep coming out of the rest of his body, or Tennis's classic perspective drifting off into the distance. It worked. And even if you just want to play standard flat 2D NES games, just slide the 3D effect off on the switch.
Will this actually see the light of day? I vote for it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 18, 2010, 09:51:45 AM
I doubt there will ever be a Classic Games game, it sounds like a classic example of just a simple tech demo to show off the 3D effect.
BNM, I don't think Miyamoto was playing dumb. Most people seem to think that the Nikkei article was just sloppily translated (it wouldn't be the first time we got wrong information due to a foreign language article being mis-translated).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on June 18, 2010, 09:58:51 AM
That list of games would be a licensing nightmare. Mega Man 2? Castlevania?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Rize on June 18, 2010, 11:43:59 AM
I doubt there will ever be a Classic Games game, it sounds like a classic example of just a simple tech demo to show off the 3D effect.
BNM, I don't think Miyamoto was playing dumb. Most people seem to think that the Nikkei article was just sloppily translated (it wouldn't be the first time we got wrong information due to a foreign language article being mis-translated).
Awesome, I hope we still get some 2D games like a new Castlevania using that style of 2D converted to 3D.
And I would TOTALLY buy a classic's collection of that type.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 18, 2010, 01:20:58 PM
I would not be surprised if the 3DS has internal holographic memory mainly for the download of 3DS games and content.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 18, 2010, 01:33:31 PM
Why don't we have a topic for Kid Icarus? Glad flight playes a huge role in this game unlike the first game.
About Project Sora, I remember that name from some time ago. Does anyone remember when Nintendo first told us about it?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Rize on June 18, 2010, 02:23:10 PM
I would not be surprised if the 3DS has internal holographic memory mainly for the download of 3DS games and content.
Don't count on it. It's still too early. Think in terms of a future home console.
Like the one after the next one I think. I still don't think the price on the holographic storage is low enough for Nintendo to release the system at the price they want and still make a profit.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 18, 2010, 07:57:01 PM
3DS as an eReader? http://www.slashgear.com/nintendo-3ds-game-card-spotted-new-wireless-ereader-app-tipped-1890461/ (http://www.slashgear.com/nintendo-3ds-game-card-spotted-new-wireless-ereader-app-tipped-1890461/)
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Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata has hinted that the 3DS may be able to “automatically acquire newspaper and magazine articles” using its integrated wireless connection.
Speaking to Japanese paper Nikkei this week, Iwata reiterated that the 3DS’ wireless connection could remain active while the gaming handheld itself was in sleep mode. ”It will seek out and automatically connect with wireless LAN spots, and download information” he explained, before going on to illustrate one potential use-case where timely news could be automatically loaded onto the 3DS and offered to the gamer when they turn the device on.
Nintendo has already created multiple content partnerships in Japan with the existing DSi, which can download mini-games and other information from retailers and transport links. No word on how we could expect battery life to suffer with this constant scanning for connectivity, nor whether Nintendo are planning paid or only free content for the system.
I didn't really see a point to this except for the 'timely news' part, which I assume translates to RSS feeds. Reading full books on the screen may prove a little challenging.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 18, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
3DS as an eReader? http://www.slashgear.com/nintendo-3ds-game-card-spotted-new-wireless-ereader-app-tipped-1890461/ (http://www.slashgear.com/nintendo-3ds-game-card-spotted-new-wireless-ereader-app-tipped-1890461/)
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Nintendo CEO Satoru Iwata has hinted that the 3DS may be able to “automatically acquire newspaper and magazine articles” using its integrated wireless connection.
Speaking to Japanese paper Nikkei this week, Iwata reiterated that the 3DS’ wireless connection could remain active while the gaming handheld itself was in sleep mode. ”It will seek out and automatically connect with wireless LAN spots, and download information” he explained, before going on to illustrate one potential use-case where timely news could be automatically loaded onto the 3DS and offered to the gamer when they turn the device on.
Nintendo has already created multiple content partnerships in Japan with the existing DSi, which can download mini-games and other information from retailers and transport links. No word on how we could expect battery life to suffer with this constant scanning for connectivity, nor whether Nintendo are planning paid or only free content for the system.
I didn't really see a point to this except for the 'timely news' part, which I assume translates to RSS feeds. Reading full books on the screen may prove a little challenging.
Reading books could be AWESOME when you turn on the 3D slider and the line you are reading is LARGER & pops off screen.
And timely "news" reports sounds like a twitter confirmation to me ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 19, 2010, 06:49:48 AM
Project Sora is Kid Icarus. At least that's what it meant to me. When Iwata showed the Kid Icarus trailer it was prefaced by "Project Sora".
Interesting... a few show-goers mentioned that the graphics on Kid Icarus were a little blocky, was it perhaps originally a DSi or even Wii title that they decided to launch with the 3DS to encourage more old-school gamers to switch over to the 3DS?
I was thinking before that the new remakes do serve to maybe bring back someone who hasn't played a Nintendo console since OoT, and will want to play it again in 3D along with Star Fox 64, and Goldeneye, which were three of the best games on the N64. It makes a compelling argument to both pick one up for someone who was never really interested in handhelds, and for current DSi owners to switch over.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MysticGohan on June 19, 2010, 02:50:31 PM
Maybe it's still early in development? the graphics could be polished before released by the holidays/Before March 2011, I get a feeling we'll see a launch much like the DS. I hope so atleast.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 19, 2010, 04:41:08 PM
I want the next Nintendogs to feature Pittbulls. Imagine this guy in 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Toruresu on June 19, 2010, 05:27:32 PM
That'd be hilarious!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: AV on June 20, 2010, 10:49:33 AM
Personally I'm hoping they atleast double the ram and up the battery to a 1650mAh
How many hours of battery life would that give?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2010, 04:03:15 PM
I don't know, but more is better.
Oh and assuming those specs are true, that GPU is a dual core - SGX543MultiProcessor2 is what I believe it means. The PSP2 was rumored to be using a SGXMP4 which is the QuadCore equivalent.
Quadcore is speculated at producing PS360 level graphics and the DualCore should be very close to something similar/comparable. More RAM could go a long way towards pushing this machine especially in it's later years.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 20, 2010, 04:06:47 PM
If Nintendo (And that GPU) supports DirectX development (+ shaders) than may the clouds open and God **** a great cake, we will have good graphics with again with excellent multi platform compatibility. Games would easily become better looking than Wii games simply because people for once, know how to program it with out a bunch of stupid research. -_-
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2010, 06:24:05 PM
Iwata speaks on 3DS http://games.venturebeat.com/2010/06/18/nintendo-ceo-reveals-how-company-toiled-for-years-on-3ds-concept/
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 20, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
Are there any older Non-Nintendo games that anyone would love to see remade for the 3DS? I would like to see Parasite Eve 1 and 2 remade for the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 20, 2010, 08:23:22 PM
Iwata speaks on 3DS http://games.venturebeat.com/2010/06/18/nintendo-ceo-reveals-how-company-toiled-for-years-on-3ds-concept/ (http://games.venturebeat.com/2010/06/18/nintendo-ceo-reveals-how-company-toiled-for-years-on-3ds-concept/)
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1.I personally am a user of iPhones and iPods. I think of what these mean to me as a competitor. But I never thought of them when we were designing the 3DS. If some people think that this might be the answer to the iPhone, then that should simply be the result. That is, it was not our goal to do that, but if people think that, it is the result. We never try to think in terms of any competitive product or company. If you do that, you just focus on a certain narrow area. Rather, we should think much more broadly. Anything that takes the time of a consumer might take away their interest in gaming, or their energies away from our products. Anything that does that should be our competition. We should not narrowly define our competition as Apple, Sony or Microsoft. We have to think of what kinds of experiences we can create that only Nintendo can create, and what no other companies can create. So the result is the Nintendo 3DS. If you say it is a solution against what Apple offers today, it is also a solution against all of the other competition.
2 I have to refrain from talking specifically about the price point. What I can confirm is that, in terms of the production costs, it will cost more than the costs for the Nintendo DS today. Having said that, we believe we will produce enough value worthy of the production cost. We do not think we have to sell the products below cost.
1. Hopefully he is saying the 3DS, through an app store maybe, will be able to provide the functionality of all its competitors, perceived and unknown. He kind of says the he doesn't think of Apple as a competitor than says that they are because they could potentially pull away customers. I'm just curious as to why the run-around, perhaps there are still more secrets to divulge, like VoIP and video chat.
2. So they're not going to sell the 3DS at a loss, and it's going to cost more than a DSi? He said DS, but the 3DS will obviously be more expensive to develop than both of those models were. If it's anything more than $250, they may have trouble with initial adoption, yes you are getting a lot for your money, but all people are going to think is; "am I going to spend that much on a tiny video game player" until they realize all that it does.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2010, 08:34:43 PM
Quote from: Iwata
I have to refrain from talking specifically about the price point. What I can confirm is that, in terms of the production costs, it will cost more than the costs for the Nintendo DS today. Having said that, we believe we will produce enough value worthy of the production cost. We do not think we have to sell the products below cost.
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What I can confirm is that, in terms of the production costs, it will cost more than the costs for the Nintendo DS today.
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it will cost more than the costs for the Nintendo DS today.
So how much does it cost to make a DS today is the question you need to answer and then you realize that he didn't really tell you anything as ofcourse a 3DS will be more expensive to make than a DS is today.
A regular DSL or DSi probably cost significantly less than what they sell for and I wouldn't hesitate to put them both under $100 packaged and shipped (especially the DSL which is more like $60).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 20, 2010, 08:47:26 PM
I have to refrain from talking specifically about the price point. What I can confirm is that, in terms of the production costs, it will cost more than the costs for the Nintendo DS today. Having said that, we believe we will produce enough value worthy of the production cost. We do not think we have to sell the products below cost.
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What I can confirm is that, in terms of the production costs, it will cost more than the costs for the Nintendo DS today.
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it will cost more than the costs for the Nintendo DS today.
So how much does it cost to make a DS today is the question you need to answer and then you realize that he didn't really tell you anything as ofcourse a 3DS will be more expensive to make than a DS is today.
A regular DSL or DSi probably cost significantly less than what they sell for and I wouldn't hesitate to put them both under $100 packaged and shipped (especially the DSL which is more like $60).
They probbaly make about a hundred dollars on each DS system sold. I am curious to see how much it costs them to make the 3DS and its final price is revealed. I am still going with $199.99 when it is released. If it is $250 or greater that puts it into the HD console price range and Nintendo is always finding ways to give us stuff at an affordable price.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2010, 09:03:05 PM
Nintendo isn't finding ways to sell at an affordable price. It is affordable. In fact, they should be even cheaper. DS Lite for $129.99 in 2010 is pathetic. There's no reason 3DS should cost more than $199.99 and that's probably too much for it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 20, 2010, 09:10:33 PM
If Apple announced firmware 5.0 with 3D tomorrow, there'd be a problem.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2010, 09:15:23 PM
Nintendo isn't finding ways to sell at an affordable price. It is affordable. In fact, they should be even cheaper. DS Lite for $129.99 in 2010 is pathetic. There's no reason 3DS should cost more than $199.99 and that's probably too much for it.
That's the amazing thing about the DS. It has sold this much and it still hasn't even hit sub $100 pricing which is the next step for when sales drop.
I'm still amazed that Nintendo hasn't dropped the price on the DSL/i/LL in Japan to spur sales up a little more since it's obviously a litttle saturated of a market over there
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 20, 2010, 09:16:51 PM
I guess you forgot that Nintendo announced price cuts for all 3 DS models in Japan about a week ago.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2010, 09:21:07 PM
I guess i did.
Open pricing for the DSL and what were the price drops for the DSi/LL? (I've been cram coursing for Ins. Licensing for the past 3 weeks.... not ontop of this like usual right now)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 20, 2010, 09:30:47 PM
Open pricing for the DSL and what were the price drops for the DSi/LL? (I've been cram coursing for Ins. Licensing for the past 3 weeks.... not ontop of this like usual right now)
What is INS?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2010, 09:37:57 PM
Insurance
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on June 20, 2010, 09:58:19 PM
Open pricing for the DSL and what were the price drops for the DSi/LL? (I've been cram coursing for Ins. Licensing for the past 3 weeks.... not ontop of this like usual right now)
DSi from 18,000 yen to 15,000 and DSiLL from 20,000 yen to 18,000.
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So we know the 3DS has accelerometers and the gyroscopes as well as 3D, but they may not be feasible to implement together. How likely is it that the 3D games are mainly done by the big developers with the motion stuff put through 3DSWare or whatever by smaller developers (to allow easy porting in/out of the iOS)?
Title: 3DS Graphics Chip Announced
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2010, 11:18:54 PM
Digital Media, Inc. (Nasdaq: Musashino City, Tokyo, President and CEO Yamamoto Tatsuo, following DMP) is Nintendo's new handheld Nintendo 3DS 3D graphics IP core to the DMP "PICA200" that was adopted announced.
DMP PICA200 is a proprietary 3D graphics extension "MAESTRO technology" is installed. This is by implementing complex shaders in hardware capabilities, high-quality graphics representation of high-end products used in conventional technology in mobile products can be achieved and other handheld that require low power consumption It is.
President and CEO commented DMP Tatsuo Yamamoto: "We have high goals that Orimashita achieve low power consumption remains high quality graphics representation, such as game consoles and stationary Autostereoscopic. DMP has developed the technology over the years contributed MAESTRO I am very glad to have been. "
# # #
Digital Media, Inc. (DMP) for Founded in July 2002, DMP is a leading technology companies from Japan, mainly suitable for the embedded market has continued to develop 2D and 3D graphics technology. Covering a wide range of embedded hardware products, including software 3D graphics solutions, we aim to provide new user experience. Khronos OpenGL ES and other group members play a leading role in developing the specification of OpenGL ES is the only Japanese training program. You can get information about DMP http://www.dmprof.com/ (http://www.dmprof.com/).
(C) 2010 Digital Media Inc. DMP, DMP logo, PICA is a registered trademark of Digital Media Corporation. Nintendo 3DS is a trademark of Nintendo. Other company names are mentioned product names are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.
Here is a version of the chip from 4 years ago (Pics at the link) http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=32326 (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=32326)
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DMP, Digital Media Professionals, a Japanese GPU design company, announced their PICA brand of graphics processors, scalable for embedded devices from portables all of the way up to high-performance arcade systems. Their product, the PICA200, is a set of modular IP graphics cores for integration into SoCs. The PICA200 scales with up to four pipelines and processes from up to four programmable vertex units. The 3D core, using their proprietary graphics technology named MAESTRO-2G, the second generation of the Maestro design, implements custom graphics algorithms as hardware for enabling a set of shading features that include per-vertex sub-surface scattering, bidirectional reflectance distribution function, cook-torrance, polygon subdivision, and soft shadowing. Their image post-processing module, the PICA-FBM frame buffer management, can polish the image with anti-aliasing and a set of other 2D functions and can actually be licensed independently as a core for 2D-only devices. In either case, the PICA-FBM can be extended with a PICA-VG vector graphics module.
The DMP company is another small graphics firm, staffed by 29, which started as a university research project and turned into a business a few years ago through funding initiatives. Shinichi Okamoto, former Sony executive who headed up development of the PlayStation2, sits on the board of directors.
and the company website http://www.dmprof.com/en/en_technologydemo.html (http://www.dmprof.com/en/en_technologydemo.html)
demo video http://www.dmprof.com/images/mikage.wmv (http://www.dmprof.com/images/mikage.wmv) | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-xxUyJvQQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-xxUyJvQQ) <-- We are likely in for a treat ;)
And everything you need to know about this processor back in 2007 http://www.videsignline.com/201001222?printableArticle=true (http://www.videsignline.com/201001222?printableArticle=true)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 21, 2010, 01:40:32 AM
Wow, I was talking to a guy over at the gamespot forums a week or so ago who called this right down to providing some of the same links you provided BnM. I never got the time to pass on the info though. Even so, I had never heard of this company so I never gave it too much thought. I'm surprised this tech is still good given how old it is. From what I've read on those links, it states the chips are custom built for the customers so I wonder what changes Nintendo made for their 3DS version.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: stevey on June 21, 2010, 11:35:56 AM
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The DMP company is another small graphics firm, staffed by 29, which started as a university research project and turned into a business a few years ago through funding initiatives. Shinichi Okamoto, former Sony executive who headed up development of the PlayStation2, sits on the board of directors.
:( At lease it's not nVidia :)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2010, 01:08:29 PM
Nintendo's PICA (which mens Dick in Portuguese) might be clocked at 400Mhz according to this pdf from 2008 http://people.csail.mit.edu/kapu/EG_08/Mobile3D_EG08.pdf (http://people.csail.mit.edu/kapu/EG_08/Mobile3D_EG08.pdf)
It says PICA 200 400Mhz @ 65nm (http://i46.tinypic.com/24gprgk.jpg) I'm sure they got the chip down to 45-40nm by now so 400Mhz and the same or less wattage shouldn't be a problem right?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 21, 2010, 02:21:01 PM
So it's OpenGL based. Well, it shouldn't be too hard for companies to learn how to write for it, so that's good.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 21, 2010, 02:31:19 PM
I don't know why I have this in my head I feel like I read something about it, but will there be some kind of achievement system?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: stevey on June 21, 2010, 02:57:52 PM
hell no
(are you think about tag mode)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 21, 2010, 03:13:47 PM
What does Nvidia have to do with your question? Why is because Nintendo never supported shaders before, and 360, PS3, and original Xbox all had them. 3rd Parties know how to program them, they don't know how to program Nintendo's TEV poop.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 21, 2010, 04:32:53 PM
Maybe i'm thinking of the thing that updates leader boards automaticly, there was something like that wasn't there?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: that Baby guy on June 21, 2010, 05:17:54 PM
There was a better tag mode for wifi, where any game could get info, and not just the one in the system. Could that be it?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 21, 2010, 05:20:43 PM
Yeah that must be it, the bark mode for everything.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on June 21, 2010, 06:53:30 PM
After seeing that video I want Pikmin 3 to be for 3DS, that would be much more interesting experience than on the Wii.
And now, we know why Pikmin 3 has been so delayed... ;)
Actually it is going to be on Wii.
Can someone put all this tech talk into laymans terms?
We don't know that for sure. They may have decided to port over the project for 3DS. As far as I have heard they haven't even stated anything beyond 'Pikmin 3 is coming'.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Guitar Smasher on June 21, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
And can anyone say if the visuals produced by a system capable of GC/Wii level graphics will look better/worse because of the smaller screen?
It will look better on a tiny screen. The reason is because the pixels are much smaller and closer together, giving it a much more clean and crisp look. Even if the hardware is slightly under the GameCube, games might still seem to look better on the smaller screen. But if you expand it to television size, it will look much wose than GameCube. It is similar to how the DS actually wasn't on par with N64 graphics, but it seemed like it due to the tiny screens.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2010, 08:06:51 PM
From what I've read on the line of GPUs and analysis I've seen on screen shots, the 3DS looks to have hardware what exceeds the GC but not quite reach the Wii. But visually it looks closer to PS360(than GC) since there are alot of more modern visual effects hardwired into the system that the Wii & GC don't have.
In other words, 3DS is not a portable PS360 but you will not be disappointed in it's graphical output. It's 1st gen games are out doing 5th gen PSP games and look on par with 4th gen Wii games..... and they're in 3D!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on June 21, 2010, 08:27:34 PM
The MGS:3DS thread has a great example of that. Big Boss's character model in that game basically wipes the floor with Peace Walker's character render, and the PS2's original model for the character.
Yoji Shinkawa art in 3DS graphics is love. Now we just need Kojima to make a not shitty Botkai.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 21, 2010, 08:58:34 PM
We need more specifics on the chip... you can't really start saying what kind of power the chip has until you get into the nitty gritty and also don't forget the CPU, that will play a big part and if the 3DS has a 200-400Mhz GPU a 1.6Ghz or even 2Ghz CPU is possible, and paired with such a powerful/effect loaded GPU we could see some amazing results in the future. And with the it being possibly familiar (depending on the architecture, which we also need to find out more about. That Pica200 could easily be Pica200x or some other designation made specifically for the 3DS) we could actually have more than 2 or 3 not only solid, but instaclassic launch games.
I don't know why I have this in my head I feel like I read something about it, but will there be some kind of achievement system?
No you are correct as a matter of fact! I don't recall if it is Nintendo based, but I remember hearing some 3rd partiy say they are doing achievement boards and give you free DLC stuff... Kind of makes me think of Animal Crossing, like if you find all the fish they give you a new shirt or something... maybe it is Nintendo based... now I have to look for it until I find the link... thanks for retriggering my OCD.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 21, 2010, 09:11:47 PM
After seeing that video I want Pikmin 3 to be for 3DS, that would be much more interesting experience than on the Wii.
And now, we know why Pikmin 3 has been so delayed... ;)
Actually it is going to be on Wii.
Can someone put all this tech talk into laymans terms?
We don't know that for sure. They may have decided to port over the project for 3DS. As far as I have heard they haven't even stated anything beyond 'Pikmin 3 is coming'.
There was an interview at E3 that all Miyamoto could reveal is that it was for Wii.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 21, 2010, 10:38:44 PM
Aren't these the same people who said Zelda in 2010? ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 22, 2010, 12:06:22 AM
Actually that's a term used more by the islanders from Azores and Madeira. Us mainlanders use picha, pronounced pee-sha.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2010, 05:29:50 AM
If there are going to be a lot of games that use the touch screen for aiming or movement with the action on the top screen to take advantage of the 3D, Nintendo needs to bring back the thumb strap they included with the original DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 22, 2010, 12:11:52 PM
But they have no care in how much power you use. Nintendo always tries to make their systems use as little power as possible and if the GTX 470 & 480 are anything to go by, Nvidia believes that the more power you use the better. So unless they found a better way of lowering power and keeping the output high, they were at a disadvantage. Plus they aren't a Japanese company and that probably hurt them as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on June 22, 2010, 12:14:53 PM
If there are going to be a lot of games that use the touch screen for aiming or movement with the action on the top screen to take advantage of the 3D, Nintendo needs to bring back the thumb strap they included with the original DS.
There's less reason for this control scheme given the analog disc.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2010, 12:21:48 PM
If there are going to be a lot of games that use the touch screen for aiming or movement with the action on the top screen to take advantage of the 3D, Nintendo needs to bring back the thumb strap they included with the original DS.
There's less reason for this control scheme given the analog disc.
Well, in something like a FPS you'd use both the analog and the touch screen, unless they add a second analog (and even then I'd rather aim with the touch screen).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 22, 2010, 12:26:36 PM
If there are going to be a lot of games that use the touch screen for aiming or movement with the action on the top screen to take advantage of the 3D, Nintendo needs to bring back the thumb strap they included with the original DS.
If I understand you correctly, I assume your referring to FPSers. I think they can remedy this problem by using the N64 Goldeneye control method. The N64 only had one analog stick and pulled off FPSer controls lovely. All they need to do is use the face buttons in the same way the C-buttons on the N64 were used. If I remember correctly, B and Y were to move straight and back while A and X were used for straffing. You coulple that with the analog nub for aiming along with the R button for shooting and L button for grenades and you got yourself a solid control scheme. You can also use the D pad for cycling through your weapons/items. Up and Down for items and Left and Right for weapons. I think this would work smoothly and provide the best possible control with FPSers. It worked on Goldeneye back in the day and I don't remember anybody complaining back then (unless they were sore losers after getting merked and were grasping for excuses lol)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2010, 12:31:31 PM
If there are going to be a lot of games that use the touch screen for aiming or movement with the action on the top screen to take advantage of the 3D, Nintendo needs to bring back the thumb strap they included with the original DS.
If I understand you correctly, I assume your referring to FPSers. I think they can remedy this problem by using the N64 Goldeneye control method. The N64 only had one analog stick and pulled off FPSer controls lovely. All they need to do is use the face buttons in the same way the C-buttons on the N64 were used. If I remember correctly, B and Y were to move straight and back while A and X were used for straffing. You coulple that with the analog nub for aiming along with the R button for shooting and L button for grenades and you got yourself a solid control scheme. You can also use the D pad for cycling through your weapons/items. Up and Down for items and Left and Right for weapons. I think this would work smoothly and provide the best possible control with FPSers. It worked on Goldeneye back in the day and I don't remember anybody complaining back then (unless they were sore losers after getting merked and were grasping for excuses lol)
Have you played an N64 FPS recently? I have, and I couldn't stand the controls. They worked fine back then, but there have been a lot of improvements since then, and I just can't go back. I'm not much of a dual-analog fan, but I'd take that in a second over the N64 layout.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on June 22, 2010, 12:45:36 PM
Have you played an N64 FPS recently? I have, and I couldn't stand the controls. They worked fine back then, but there have been a lot of improvements since then, and I just can't go back. I'm not much of a dual-analog fan, but I'd take that in a second over the N64 layout.
Oh, I totally understand but I'm just working with what they've showed. I'd love a dual analog control and would take it in a heartbeat but so far there is only one analog nub confirmed. I haven't played any FPSers on my DS but the thought of using the touch screen for aiming doesn't sound to pleasing to me. Stretching my right thumb out to aim across the screen while also using my index finger to shoot with the R button just makes me think of the eventual cramps or pain I'll have to endure after long gaming sessions. If given the choice between using the touch screen or the old N64 method, I'd personally go with the old setup.
If they do go and add another analog nub, I'll be in heaven though as that's what I was hoping to find before the big reveal. I always thought that the one analog nub was a mistake in Sony's part with their PSP and I'm suprised they didn't put a change to that when they released the PSPGo at the least. Nintendo could go and place the second analog nub under the face buttons.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2010, 01:01:23 PM
Well I have played FPSs on the DS, and the touch screen aiming works really well, especially with the thumb stylus. Like I said, even if there were a second analog pad I'd want to aim with the touch screen. The lack of self-centering, which makes touch control bad for directional control, makes it really good for aiming.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on June 22, 2010, 01:49:49 PM
It works okay on the DS, I feel like I'm flailing a little, and my hands are cramping.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 22, 2010, 03:58:42 PM
Some may wonder why Wii was ignored yet 3DS gets sooo much love from the 3rd parties.
I think we have an answer
Nintendo Q & A (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/100616qa/02.html)
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What do you think the Nintendo 3DS is going to be with respect to software development costs, both from your own first-party perspective, but also from the perspective of third-party developers?
Iwata: I would like to answer your question from two different perspectives. Given my development background, the first will be from a developer’s perspective, and then I’ll also try to answer the question from the perspective of a representative of the company that is the platform holder. First, I’d like to talk about how much development resources are required in order to take a game and create it in three dimensions.
As long as you are already creating a fully rendered 3D world, all you have to do in order to create the 3D visual effect is to capture the same images with two cameras, one for right eye and the other for left eye. From a development perspective, it actually does not make much of a difference in terms of development costs to create the 3D visual effect.
On the other hand, because the visual capabilities of Nintendo 3DS are more powerful than the existing Nintendo DS, if you are going to take full advantage of the graphics capability of Nintendo 3DS, the development cost is also expected to rise.
Therefore, if developers decide to try and maximize the graphical powers of the system, then the cost would be more expensive than what it is currently for Nintendo DS and may potentially approach the cost of developing Wii software.
Wii is considered cheap games by gaming budget standards. So you spend your millions on mediocre Wii games or spend your Wii budget on STUNNING HI REZ 3DS games!?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 22, 2010, 04:15:46 PM
How about the direction Nintendo is taking with 3DSware and the bark mode thing they were talking about?
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So in the presentation yesterday, I spoke about some new attempts that we’re doing with Nintendo 3DS on the communication front that would allow the device to receive information without the consumer having to actively download it. Instead, it would happen automatically and update itself.
I can’t go into detail on what the plans are today, but of course, with a device like Nintendo 3DS, we do intend to offer some type of digital distribution. What I can say is that if that type of digital distribution is not something that is very new and fresh compared to what we have done with Nintendo DSi, then I think we’re going to have a hard time reaching out beyond the audience that actively seeks out that type of digital content.
So up until now, much of the digital distribution focus has been on more of a "pull type" where the consumer goes out, gets the content and pulls it to themselves. With Nintendo 3DS, we’re looking at a model that would be more focused around the "push type," where we’re able to push information or content out to the device. And with a model like that, what it means is that because the consumer doesn’t have to actively seek out the information themselves, it gives us a venue for creative new ideas of our company or of our developers to reach consumers much more easily.
And ideally, if it is possible, we would like to try and find ways to customize that functionality as much as possible to meet our consumers’ tastes. Unfortunately, we can’t go into detail on that today because there’s still a number of questions about the degree to which we’ll be able to do that. But I would like to say that we are thinking seriously about strengthening digital distribution.
..... Sounds like Nintendo at the very least may have been doing more than just working on an OS and a game with Google, but getting some pointers on DD and pushing content. Should we expect the 3DS to be reporting back to Nintendo the games we're playing and for how long? Then when you boot up your system, it gives game recommendations that you may like based on things you have played.
How do you think Nintendo is gonna "Push" content and how far do you think they will go with user customization (will they take it anywhere near Android levels?)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on June 22, 2010, 06:22:59 PM
I think he's talking about DLC and not necessarily games. He's saying that you don't have to go find new levels for Smash 3DS. They'll already be downloaded and ready to go.
I'm more interested in the customization features. Is it simply going to be "Click here to turn off auto-updates" or something more substantial?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 22, 2010, 08:01:05 PM
Should we expect the 3DS to be reporting back to Nintendo the games we're playing and for how long? Then when you boot up your system, it gives game recommendations that you may like based on things you have played.
The very first thing I thought of when I read the interview was targeted ads.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 22, 2010, 08:19:37 PM
Should we expect the 3DS to be reporting back to Nintendo the games we're playing and for how long? Then when you boot up your system, it gives game recommendations that you may like based on things you have played.
The very first thing I thought of when I read the interview was targeted ads.
The Nintendo Channel already does this in a more passive and non-intrusive way when you look at and recommend games. It could be a very similar type of setup.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: AV on June 22, 2010, 09:56:29 PM
IGN new Nintendo Voice Chat podcast has a question from me. Apparently no dual input/multi input touch screen, and no rumble :-(
Nintendo Voice Chat Podcast Episode 79 (http://wii.ign.com/articles/110/1101138p1.html)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 22, 2010, 10:07:36 PM
I'm hoping for a button on the stylus. Nothing fancy, just a single click button.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on June 23, 2010, 12:54:39 AM
I think he's talking about DLC and not necessarily games. He's saying that you don't have to go find new levels for Smash 3DS. They'll already be downloaded and ready to go.
Or perhaps even speaking about downloading patches without even booting the game up first.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: bustin98 on June 23, 2010, 01:14:13 AM
If there are going to be a lot of games that use the touch screen for aiming or movement with the action on the top screen to take advantage of the 3D, Nintendo needs to bring back the thumb strap they included with the original DS.
There's less reason for this control scheme given the analog disc.
Well, in something like a FPS you'd use both the analog and the touch screen, unless they add a second analog (and even then I'd rather aim with the touch screen).
In one of the videos posted on Nintendo's E3 site, one of the engineers is talking to Iwata about physically moving the 3DS to look around in the 1st person view, using the slider to move. I can imagine this being an issue in a crowded area, though I can't imagine playing a 1st person shooter in a crowd no matter what console its on. But sitting on my office chair that spins around pretty quickly, I would love to try a control scheme like that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2010, 01:56:58 AM
Well, first, one of the things that I love about Nintendo is we constantly are reviewing our performance. I completely agree with you that the online… or let me state it more broadly, the digital area is an area where we can improve, and we’ve made a commitment to dramatically improve in that area. Now, what that looks like I can just about guarantee is unlike anything that our competitors have done to date. The reason for that is it wouldn’t be innovative, it wouldn’t be distinctive, and therefore, it wouldn’t be Nintendo. Our approach will be to enable the consumer to discover our digital content much more easily. Our focus will be to have a range of digital content that is compelling for the consumer. Our approach will be a digital business model where every participant is financially moving in a positive direction, and our approach will be to make the consumer say “wow” in the end. That’s what we’re trying to do.
Every participant is moving forward in a positive financial direction..... what does that mean?
But I'm really wondering if Nintendo is doing something with Online that none of it's competitors have done, are they being innovative just to be innovative again, are they gonna have me saying the right kind of wow?
edit: And what does Reggie have to say about DD, DD being attached to accounts and transferring those to a new system?
A change to how Nintendo's WiiWare/DSiWare-style approach to selling games will be made, the Nintendo of America president said. But he cut off the possibility that Nintendo would provide the same online shop offered on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. "It will not look like what our competitors are doing. But we will have more content, have it be more easily discoverable. We will make it engaging and a much bigger piece of our overall business."
One other key difference is that Nintendo locks digital purchases to a single piece of hardware, preventing, say, a DSiWare consumer from transferring their purchased games from one DS to the next. The lack of a digital-purchase transfer option has kept some gamers from buying Nintendo's downloadable games. "It is certainly something we're looking at," Fils-Aime said. "Our current approach is a device-based approach. The content is tied to a particular device. Until we move to a different type of an approach like an account based approach you're not going to be able to transfer the content. We are looking at how best to bring that to life." As for a revamp of how Nintendo offers downloadable games, don't expect that to occur on the Wii or current DS. "The step function change we want to see is going to need to be on a new device, like the 3DS."
3DS will be to Wii2 as DS was to Wii.
So 3DS and it's online functions better make me say WOW in a good way.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 23, 2010, 04:36:23 AM
They had better let me transfer data. I want to give my DSi to my gf once I get a 3DS but if I can't keep my downloads it may ruin my plans.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 23, 2010, 12:30:11 PM
Well that sure hyped me up about the future of Nintendo Online. I don't know much about the other online systems, I just know they are a million times better. Is there something lacking from the other services that might even have a Playstation or XBox user impressed with what Nintendo can potentially do? I just can't see anyone saying wow except for us, only Nintendo guys. Maybe the grass in my eyes is exceptionally greener on the other side, but I feel like there isn't much room for improvement.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2010, 01:06:07 PM
I haven't used every other service out there so I can't really comment on whats missing, but we can suggest what it should have and maybe how it should work.
Here's how I think it should work;
You get your 3DS, you connect to the internet and it immediately ask you to either log-in or create a My Nintendo account. You attach that system by serial number to your account, and now no other account can register your 3DS as long as it's attached. -you can also unattach your 3DS from your account should you upgrade, sell or lose it, which would mean that the next time that system goes online, all unauthorized content would automatically be deleted(and/or deactivated) since it's not activated for that system anymore. (games can be activated again with an account that has already purchased that content) All the content you buy from the Nintendo Online Store is all attached to your account and can be moved to any device attached to your account, but you can only have 1 3DS attached to your account at a time (unless it's a family account) You can share a demo of a game with another 3DS without needing an internet connection. From retail or DD game or downloaded demo. All demos are shareable between 3DS. *You also have the option to back up and use any save from any game on your 3DS to your online account. (cloud saving) so that if you do get a new 3DS you can pick up where you left off the last time you played while connected to the Nintendo Cloud.*
Inside your account is very similar to Steam You see a pic of the boxart, a description of the game, a video of gameplay and an online manual. you also have the option to check for updates (DLC, new maps, etc. etc.) for your game. The system will automatically recognize what is installed and what is not installed on your system and give you the option to manage your active and non-active games Credit Card info can also be saved to your account or points can be pre-bought and stored on the account (not the system) to be shared with other system (family account or Wii2) First time you put a game in your system, and you click to the icon to play it (like Disc Channel) it will give you the option to Play, Install or Register (game is tied to your My Nintendo Account and that info is also saved on the game card) -Can only install a game after it is registered and tied to your account, then game card only works like a demo until you uninstall the game from your system and/or unregister the game from your account.
There will also be a Friends-list that you manage through your online account that goes by USERNAME since everyone will need an account to go online. -But someone cannot be added to your "Active" Friendlist without their permission. (JoeBlow123 sends Friend Request - accept or deny?) From this friends list you will have the option of text, voice or video chat that is completely independent of anygame you are playing and you can continue voice chat through any game or other function on the device (text and video will be limited to applications that can support them since text requires a keyboard and video requires the camera and a screen to view) From this friends list you will also be able to not only see who is online, but what they are playing and then either join or invite them into a game.
On the home page, which will probably be pretty similar to Wii's only more customizable (size, color and background pic & music), there will be notifications of NEW stuff on your system. You turn on your 3DS and The DEMO channel is flashing a new stuff you've never seen, so you click on it, Demo Channel loads and you select one of the 4 new demos that instantly loads up to play (it downloaded automatically to a dedicated section of memory on the 3DS). When the demo is over, it ask if you'd want to buy that game and then direct you to the 3DSShop if you want. Back on the Main Menu the 3DS Shop is flashing with a 20% Off Summer Sale sign scrolling past. you click and find certain titles to be on Sale or price reduced and ready to download. Gifting is also an option
That's all I got for now. Anyone else got any idea how they would want online to work? You can add to mine or show it's flaws, but what do you think? Where is there room for improvement? What would make you say Wow?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2010, 01:40:07 PM
I forgot to mention game downloads, but I need to work that one out still.
As far as what Reggie said earlier about tweaking the 3DS design and it not being final yet, Iwata may have already told us one change that's being made.
While Nintendo announced a number of details about the 3DS, the launch date and price haven't been set yet. Iwata hinted, however, that these details will be announced soon, along with more 3DS features.
"Technologically speaking, a variety of different things are possible with the 3DS, for example, 3-D video chat," Iwata said.
So could we be seeing a second camera being added to the inside? Or maybe a swivel camera so that there is only 2 cameras on the system itself?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 23, 2010, 01:59:26 PM
3D video chat? Sign me up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 23, 2010, 04:15:33 PM
Can the 3DS handle the unreal engine?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 23, 2010, 04:19:53 PM
IGN new Nintendo Voice Chat podcast has a question from me. Apparently no dual input/multi input touch screen, and no rumble :-(
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER....
I can live without rumble (would rather have it though), but the lack of multitouch is pretty much a fail.
I'm pretty sure the screens capable of it, but Nintendo probably chose not to use it at this time since there is a stylus and no games would take advantage of it...... yet. I'm sure some 3rd party will request it at a later date and Nintendo is saving something for their "Making the old feel new again" campaign, and a multi-touch firmware update could be part of that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 23, 2010, 09:03:41 PM
BlacknMild:
I really hope that is how Nintendo decides to handle it. By upgrading and improving their MyNintendo services they can greatly improve their download services. Though you never had to use a My Nintendo account to download games from WiiWare or Virtual Console, I can see a push and explanation why it is important for transferring downloads is important.
But, I have a feeling people in my situation will still be screwed. I sold my Wii, and before I did I decided to make sure I disconnected all digitial games from my Wii so that I could potentially get them back if I bought another Wii. So I wiped the Wii's memory, AND disconnected it from MyNintendo account. Now, after reading the terms in agreements as it stands I have no means to get any of those games back. Basically, over $150.00 of games is gone to me and anyone else, because no one can play them.
To me this is unacceptable. Nintendo when they build the system, should take the MyNintendo Accounts as the starting point, and if it is registered as bought then can be transferred. I am hoping for Virtual Console game transfers to future Nintendo systems, and possibly even the 3DS. But I realize I probably won't be able to get that...and it makes me sad.
As for multitouch, it isn't a big lose because you are controlling with a stylus, and the screen is actually pretty small...I believe multi-touch might be cool, but would be limiting in all honesty.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 23, 2010, 09:06:36 PM
It's funny that Nintendo who said the Wii is not in competition with the Xbox360 and PS3 is now saying that the 3DS is in competition with them...
I hope they're serious... I still think it would be great if the 3DS was the Wii2 and a simple dock connected it to your T.V and allowed you to use the WiiMote and other Wii accessories with it. Hell, the dock could even house a disc player, but all the output power comes from the 3DS. You obviously wouldn't be able to play 3DS games on your T.V, but you could play WiiWare, or V.C games on the 3DS. Which I think is going to be part of the 3DS regardless if it is the Wii2 or not.
They could even use the 3DS to transfer all of Wii stuff since it's going to that system anyway, and the 3DS is going to have much more internal storage than the Wii. I can say that with some confidence after reading that Reggie interview, because Xbox Live and like PSNetwork have a lot of media to download. It's not just games. He said they are going to offer more content? So... more than movies, T.V, DLC, full games, and music? Or just more ]b]of those things? Flash memory is getting cheaper and denser every day especially in the bulk numbers Nintendo would order.
HOLY ****! I just thought in response to BnM's earlier question about the financial thing: It could be Nintendo's own profit-sharing 3D youtube-like service! What other popular device is out there that captures 3D video and pictures? Youtube is ramping up their own 3D efforts right now, Nintendo could easily steal that market(which doesn't even really exist yet) from them especially by offering profit-sharing. Imagine if you subscribe to randompoops (just made that up) Ninten3Do's page, Nintendo automatically pushes his/her video's to you when they are uploaded. Or you could subscribe to a particular photographer and have the same happen, or even a friend, who would be able to post things in a more private manner, like 'only friends can see' but with much better safety and privacy than Facebook since this is Nintendo after all.
I also just thought that their "more" could just be because they will have movies and games in 3D as well as the 2D movies and games that are offered on their competitors networks.
Edit: I wanted to also say that in my house and in many other homes there is more than one DS(i). With the blue ocean appeal of the 3DS it won't matter if Grandma wants to bowl and Johnny wants to take his 3DS to work, she can have her own 3DS without it being horribly redundant like having 2 Wii's would be. Encouraging the purchases of multiple 3DS's could make-up for the lost sales of having one money printing machine rather than two. But only having to manufacture one system would also save them a lot of money. Since they can still make three (Wii/DSiWare as the third) types of games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 23, 2010, 09:30:26 PM
Nintendo has a history of cheaping out on things like that, so I don't know why you assume they'd use a more advanced touch screen than they need to, especially considering what we've seen so far makes it seem like they're using the same exact screen as the current DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Fantastical Land Specualtion!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2010, 10:55:07 PM
Nintendo has a history of cheaping out on things like that, so I don't know why you assume they'd use a more advanced touch screen than they need to, especially considering what we've seen so far makes it seem like they're using the same exact screen as the current DS.
From what I've read of the current DS screen is that it can actually detect 2 points of contact but since it's only programmed for stylus support, chooses a point intbetween the two to register as the point of contact. Just like the Original DS screen was also pressure sensitive and Nintendo never took advantage of that feature of the screen. There were Google phone that were also released and many months later a firmware update was released that allowed multi-touch.
It's funny that Nintendo who said the Wii is not in competition with the Xbox360 and PS3 is now saying that the 3DS is in competition with them...
I hope they're serious... I still think it would be great if the 3DS was the Wii2 and a simple dock connected it to your T.V and allowed you to use the WiiMote and other Wii accessories with it. Hell, the dock could even house a disc player, but all the output power comes from the 3DS. You obviously wouldn't be able to play 3DS games on your T.V, but you could play WiiWare, or V.C games on the 3DS. Which I think is going to be part of the 3DS regardless if it is the Wii2 or not.
I don't want to get to fantastical in speculation world here, but what if the dock was used as a portal to content from your computer or DVD/BRD player? You pop you 3DS in the dock and it goes into sync mode and become like a monitor for content from your computer when at home. So you could pop in a movie to your DVD player and the dock would TV-In it to the 3DS and you could view the content like your own personal 3DTV. That would put a little worry in to Sony and some of those 3DHDTV manufacturers. $3000 3DHDTV + 3D glasses($150) x4 (=600) = $3600 or everyone has their own 3DS ($199)x4 = $800
That would be a wake-up call now wouldn't it.
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They could even use the 3DS to transfer all of Wii stuff since it's going to that system anyway, and the 3DS is going to have much more internal storage than the Wii. I can say that with some confidence after reading that Reggie interview, because Xbox Live and like PSNetwork have a lot of media to download. It's not just games. He said they are going to offer more content? So... more than movies, T.V, DLC, full games, and music? Or just more ]b]of those things? Flash memory is getting cheaper and denser every day especially in the bulk numbers Nintendo would order.
HOLY ****! I just thought in response to BnM's earlier question about the financial thing: It could be Nintendo's own profit-sharing 3D youtube-like service! What other popular device is out there that captures 3D video and pictures? Youtube is ramping up their own 3D efforts right now, Nintendo could easily steal that market(which doesn't even really exist yet) from them especially by offering profit-sharing. Imagine if you subscribe to randompoops (just made that up) Ninten3Do's page, Nintendo automatically pushes his/her video's to you when they are uploaded. Or you could subscribe to a particular photographer and have the same happen, or even a friend, who would be able to post things in a more private manner, like 'only friends can see' but with much better safety and privacy than Facebook since this is Nintendo after all.
I also just thought that their "more" could just be because they will have movies and games in 3D as well as the 2D movies and games that are offered on their competitors networks.
I just want to plant a little bug in your ear. Google. I know that bug is already there, but I wanted to make sure you acknowledge it. Think about this; Google is working on a Nintendo started OS named ES OS, it shares similarities to Android and Chrome (Browser and OS) Google worked with Nintendo on a game that involves it's search engine in a quiz show like setting Google has Youtube which already has a good setup for viewing and uploading 3D user submitted content Goggle just recently announced GoogleTV - a service meant to bring the power of the internet to the comfort of your TV.
Now compare that to everything that Nintendo is currently trying to accomplish moving forward in a race for the consumer mindshare, time and dollar.
Nintendo needs a UOS to run it's future systems starting with the 3DS, This UOS needs to be competent, powerful and have lots of internet and social features built into it. (ES OS?) Nintendo wants to move forward with more online connectivity and a more robust online experience for the games and system alike. Nintendo want to offer up more content starting with the 3DS with it's specialized glassesless 3D viewing screen and make it more sociable as with users maybe uploading 3D videos & pics to share with other 3DS users (Might we get a specific Nintendo Channel on Youtube specifically for 3DS users?) and does Youtube not allow you to monetize your heavily viewed content supported by ads? And how is Nintendo gonna get all this content from content providers to be formatted specifically to work on the 3DS? Sure a few movies have signed on and more are likely to come, but are they gonna work directly with Cable Providers, Movie Studios & Independent film/TV studios to keep that content steady and profitable? Google has the time and resources for that kind of undertaking and with Google TV is already in the process of making those kind of relationships. Why not partner with them and catch the competition off guard on multiple fronts?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2010, 11:47:38 PM
Back to reality ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GS: Ninendo to make "Serious" 3DS titles (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6266844.html)
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While Nintendo's focus seemed to be squarely on first-party development, the publisher also stressed that the 3DS would also launch with ample third-party support. The company has now reiterated its aim to better embrace external publishers, with Nintendo president Satoru Iwata telling Japanese news service Nikkei that he intends to work more closely with developers in order to "expand into elaborate games targeting serious gamers".
The wave of third-party titles announced so far for the new Nintendo handheld seem to back up Iwata's statements, with titles like Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D - The Naked Sample, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Pro Evolution Soccer, Dead or Alive 3D, Resident Evil Revelations, Ninja Gaiden, Pac-Man & Galaga, and Dragon Ball would all be coming to the 3DS, as well as a spate of unnamed titles from developers like Harmonix, Take-Two, Atlus, AQ Interactive, Disney Interactive Studios, Hudson Soft, Majesco, Marvelous Entertainment, and Sega.
In the Nikkei interview, Iwata went on to suggest that the current DS and its software only caters to those who do not play games, something that he hoped to rectify with the 3DS in terms of advances in graphics and gameplay. Recognising this shift in focus from first-party to third-party development, Iwata told Nikkei that Nintendo went to great lengths to incorporate software developers' requests when making the 3DS, and called on these developers to make games for the new system.
"These partnerships are good for both Nintendo and the software developers," Iwata said.
I guess we know how Nintendo got such stellar support from the 3rd parties out of the gate this time around (besides the 3DS being the follow-up to the most successful gaming hardware ever). 3rd parties are excited to work on the hardware since they got to make suggestions towards it's creation. I like where this New Nintendo is headed and hope that they get it all right this time and have no innovations for innovations sake that only complicate a simple matter like the infamous Friend Codes.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 24, 2010, 12:39:26 AM
I hope that Nintendo warms up to developers who have not traditionally supported the DS in past such as Bethesda, ID, Epic, Bioware and several others and encouyrage them to bring their grade A titles to the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2010, 03:15:14 AM
DOOM 3DS
you heard it here first.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2010, 03:37:39 AM
Sega Talks 3DS
Aliens & HotD 3D incoming? (http://)
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"It was interesting to see games like 'Saint's Row' on the device," Sega West president Mike Hayes told GamesIndustry.biz. "If we could bring, let's say, a House of the Dead or an Aliens title, if the audience for 3DS is much broader it could give us much more scope in that market, and that's as exciting as well as Mario & Sonic and Monkey Ball games."
In the meantime, Sega seems to have a lot of faith in Nintendo's new portable platform, and Hayes piled praise onto the company's foresight.
"Whilst 3D TV is quite an amazing technology advancement, and many companies will get into that, Nintendo will now create this huge business with their own unique piece of technology that very few if any, will be able to copy," Hayes said. "That's Nintendo over and over again, it's fantastic. For us as a third-party it's a great leg up in terms of the portable business."
On a side note, as someone who grew up during the Super Nintendo/Sega Genesis wars, comments like this from Sega will never cease to remind me of how much things have changed in the last decade and a half.
I mostly posted this for that quote and the side not. It just blows my mind that this is Sega talking about Nintendo here.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 24, 2010, 11:49:57 AM
Yeah, I don't think MS is letting go of that one just yet.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 24, 2010, 01:30:24 PM
Epic Games has already expressed interest in taking it multiplatform, and Mark Rein has made it clear that they control the fate of the franchise.
Besides, Microsoft has made it clear that they have no problem with Nintendo handhelds (partially because MS doesn't have a handheld system, but I suspect it's also because they are happy to hurt Sony any chance they can). I do think it's possible to see Gears of War 3D soon (it looks like the standard will be to use "3D", not "3DS" in game names).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 24, 2010, 01:38:36 PM
Epic Games has already expressed interest in taking it multiplatform, and Mark Rein has made it clear that they control the fate of the franchise.
Besides, Microsoft has made it clear that they have no problem with Nintendo handhelds (partially because MS doesn't have a handheld system, but I suspect it's also because they are happy to hurt Sony any chance they can). I do think it's possible to see Gears of War 3D soon (it looks like the standard will be to use "3D", not "3DS" in game names).
Basically the game would appeal to hardcore gamers and bring them to the 3DS. The 3DS certainly has the power to pull off a handheld Gears of War game from what I saw and who would not want to chainsaw a Locust Drone with 3D effects?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2010, 02:05:01 PM
Epic Games has already expressed interest in taking it multiplatform, and Mark Rein has made it clear that they control the fate of the franchise.
Besides, Microsoft has made it clear that they have no problem with Nintendo handhelds (partially because MS doesn't have a handheld system, but I suspect it's also because they are happy to hurt Sony any chance they can). I do think it's possible to see Gears of War 3D soon (it looks like the standard will be to use "3D", not "3DS" in game names).
But MS is money hatting the franchise. I doubt they would let Nintendo have it. What MS should do though is release a Viva Pinata on 3DS and try to out do Nintendo's own Animal Crossing on their own handheld.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Pale on June 24, 2010, 02:49:37 PM
And the cycle repeats. New Nintendo hardware. Everyone on the forums start listing exclusives from other platforms, thinking they'll come....
Will the cycle continue or break this time?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 24, 2010, 03:12:32 PM
It'll fall apart. It just does. I'm sure God of War will come to the 3DS. No reason why it wouldn't. :P
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2010, 03:30:54 PM
Halo 3DS!!!
Because MS will apparently do anything to hurt Sony even if it means hurting themselves. Right TJ ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 24, 2010, 05:08:01 PM
And the cycle repeats. New Nintendo hardware. Everyone on the forums start listing exclusives from other platforms, thinking they'll come....
Will the cycle continue or break this time?
I feel like the difference is that said exclusives were shown instead of having developers talk about how they're interested in the platform. I guess some or all of those games could be canceled or something but at least they were shown so that's still a good sign.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 24, 2010, 09:08:17 PM
Because MS will apparently do anything to hurt Sony even if it means hurting themselves. Right TJ ;)
If the 3DS has a robust set of third party titles like a Halo 3DS game, then Microsoft could contribute to pushing Sony out of the handheld scene. Unless they release the PSP 2 soon, the PSP is doomed. I can almost see Microsoft helping this to happen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on June 24, 2010, 09:28:56 PM
Because MS will apparently do anything to hurt Sony even if it means hurting themselves. Right TJ ;)
Wasn't there a Halo DS gam that was in the works, but got canned? I remember seeing a video of on IGN (I think), but I don't remember if it was real or not. Anyway, MS already gave us Viva Pinata, so we know they're will to put titles on the DS. I just doubt they'll do any of their big guns (Halo, Gears, etc)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 24, 2010, 10:06:33 PM
Because MS will apparently do anything to hurt Sony even if it means hurting themselves. Right TJ ;)
Wasn't there a Halo DS gam that was in the works, but got canned? I remember seeing a video of on IGN (I think), but I don't remember if it was real or not. Anyway, MS already gave us Viva Pinata, so we know they're will to put titles on the DS. I just doubt they'll do any of their big guns (Halo, Gears, etc)
The idea of the Xbox 360's big guns making a debut on the 3DS depends on five things.
First, Nintendo's willingness to persuade developers who have for the most part stayed away from Nintendo products in the past. For example, Nintendo should invite the representatives of such companies as Epic games, ID Software, Bioware, Bethesda, etc, to a press conference that they are hosting for the 3DS(price and release announcment?) and then talk about how the 3DS is the place to be for handheld gaming and that it will be the future. Nintendo would then offer sweet heart deals to whom ever they invited to the conference. A tearyed eyed Cliffy B goe on to make a Gears of War for the 3DS.
Second, is the success of mature content on the 3DS. This may be a hinderance as well, but with Nintendo seeming to appease the hard core market with this DS system, I see hard core titles carving out a niche on the 3DS. However, we have to consider that mature games have not done so well on Nintendo devices in the past, but my wager is that the poor graphics on the DS turned a lot of hard core mature off from owning the DS and the game itself. We have to wait and see just how well mature content does on the 3DS before ambitious titles such as Gears 3DS become a reality.
Third, Microsoft has to bewilling to be allow their big named titles to move to the 3DS and how bad do they want to do Sony in. Oviously they will want to retaliate towards Sony for Blue-ray taking over the DVD market.
Fourth, all of the major console franchises are having iterations on handhelds. Look at all the IPs on Nintendo's handhelds compared to their consoles. On top of this we have Resistence: Retribution, God of War and possibly/soon Uncharted for the PSP. These HD titles all got hand held iterations and the Xbox titles must have them sooner or later. Unless Microsoft is planning to enter the handhel market, the only way they can battle Sony with hand held versions of its major games is through the Nintendo 3DS. Think about it, they would not have to encur the huge development costs of their handheld and they would access to Nintendo's 100 million plus cutomers.
Fifth, Depending on how appealing the new internet structure will have plays a big part in the appeal of bringing major console franchise to the 3DS. Hypothetically, imagine sitting at a bus stop and playing online battle arena for Gears of War 3DS using a wifi hotspot. The technology would be so refined that there would be little difference to the online service of let's say the Xbox live.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 24, 2010, 10:18:36 PM
Because MS will apparently do anything to hurt Sony even if it means hurting themselves. Right TJ ;)
I think you know stuff like that make my eye twitch, lol.
nick, I think it was never "officially" confirmed; but yeah, at one point Microsoft was letting a Halo game be made for DS.
Microsoft themselves have never actually supported the DS. While they let Rare develop some games for it, they never published them (for example, THQ published Viva Pinata: Pocket Paradise). I don't think Microsoft would care if Epic Games wanted to make a 3DS version of GOW, they would only care if they wanted to make a PSP version.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 24, 2010, 10:58:35 PM
Does Microsoft even have a say? They publish the series for Epic Games, but I was always under the impression that Epic Games owns the IP. I'm legitimately asking as I haven't been able to confirm ownership of the series. I googled it quickly then gave up. I vaguely remember reading in an old magazine (probably EGM) that Microsoft did hold some exclusivity for the franchise though that may only apply to the trilogy which they're publishing, rather than the entire series.
I think it'd be interesting to see Gears of War appear on Nintendo hardware. Mark Rein can finally shut the f*ck up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 24, 2010, 11:06:44 PM
This is really silly.
We don't need the games that are exclusive to certain systems to come over. We need new franchises that use those ideas similar or better, that can become exclusive to Nintendo franchises.
We don't need Halo, Gears of War, or God of War.
We need No More Heroes, Red Steel 3D, ect...with new awesome franchises that can be steal the best elements of the other games and make them there own.
I think the DS has already shown mature games can sell. All genres sell on the DS, because the user base is just so large it caters to every demographic. There is no reason to doubt that the 3DS won't be equally successful or more so. And the quicker 3rd parties jump on the system the quicker they can help shape the demographic they want to support their games and support the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 24, 2010, 11:09:18 PM
The biggest question I have in regards to bringing such huge titles like Gears of War to 3DS is whether the machine can handle the unreal engine, or some derivative of the engine. This will be key to attracting more ambitious titles like Gears and Mass Effect. I would not mind seeing a Batman Arkham Asylum-esque game for the 3DS as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThePerm on June 25, 2010, 01:08:27 AM
id totally buy Gears of War 3ds, day one
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 25, 2010, 01:46:34 AM
We don't need the games that are exclusive to certain systems to come over. We need new franchises that use those ideas similar or better, that can become exclusive to Nintendo franchises.
I think that's really silly. What the hell is the difference? If the choice is between Gears of War and a new IP that's similar, we might as well just get Gears of War. Unless Nintendo owns the rights, it's technically not exclusive because that company can put it on anything they please.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 25, 2010, 02:13:32 AM
Remakes of Dragon Quest 7 and 8 have a very good possibility of appearing on the 3DS considering that part and six is going to come out soon and the success of Dragon Quest 9.
I would not mind seeing remakes of Parasite Eve one and two. I really liked the sequel and would love to play it in 3D on the go. Xenogears would look pretty good in 3D too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 25, 2010, 07:36:17 AM
Adrock: The difference is because people are asking for games that have been exclusive to certain systems and will likely not come out on the 3DS to come to the system. They are asking for games that play a certain way and would expect the same feel which the 3DS may or may not be able to give.
But asking for original games, or games that have been already released on Nintendo systems helps establish those franchises further as Nintendo franchises...even if they are not totally exclusive. And I like the idea of new IPs coming out...specially if it means those IPs are not locked into design and experience of the previous entries design. By creating new IPs we potentiallynew experiences.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 25, 2010, 05:16:59 PM
I'm still having a hard time understanding your point. You said, "We don't need the games that are exclusive to certain systems to come over." Nobody needs these games, but people want them and if 3rd parties are willing to give us series A or series B, why not accept them? It's not a matter of expecting them to play the same way. Rather, people expect the quality associated with those series which of course you can get with an original IP, but if I like Gears of War, I want Gears of War and no new franchise is going to change that. The best developers can make a great game despite some limitations. Chains of Olympus is a God of War game through and through yet Ready at Dawn was minus 1 analog stick and 2 shoulder buttons.
And people aren't not asking for original games. They want established IPs and new IPs. Greedy but logical. I wish I only had to buy one console for all my gaming needs. What I don't think people are asking for is a new IP that's just an established franchise in disguise. Why not just get the established franchise and have a new IP be its own thing?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 25, 2010, 05:26:17 PM
Does Microsoft even have a say? They publish the series for Epic Games, but I was always under the impression that Epic Games owns the IP. I'm legitimately asking as I haven't been able to confirm ownership of the series. I googled it quickly then gave up. I vaguely remember reading in an old magazine (probably EGM) that Microsoft did hold some exclusivity for the franchise though that may only apply to the trilogy which they're publishing, rather than the entire series.
I think it'd be interesting to see Gears of War appear on Nintendo hardware. Mark Rein can finally shut the f*ck up.
Epic Games does own the IP, but Microsoft currently has the exclusive publishing rights. I don't know when it expires (or if it does, Disney must be pissed because the contract Sony signed with Marvel made it so Sony gets to keep the movie rights to Spider-Man forever as long as they keep making movies with the character. You know Disney wants to get the rights back ASAP, this is why Spider-Man won't be in The Avengers movie).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2010, 01:01:34 PM
This has absolutely nothing to do with 3DS and everything to do with 3DS at the same time.
Crytek has 3D worked out for PS360 & PC for Free (http://www.videogamer.com/news/crytek_magic_prevents_crysis_2_3d_performance_issues.html)
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"You will laugh now," CEO and founder Cevat Yerli told VideoGamer.com. "Our impact is 1.5 per cent. You play 2D or 3D, you have no difference. It's pretty much for free. People, when they ask how, I say it's our little magic.
"That's why we also can do it on 360. That's the ironic part of it. In a funny way, people banked their investment on PS3 or on other 3D solutions, thinking the 360 can not do it. I'm saying, well, we've proven it. Whenever we show 3D, we show it intentionally on 360 to make the point. It works. It works flawless on PS3, 360 and PC as well. It just works; and one-and-a-half per cent impact only. Out of 30 frames it's 0.4 frames. So you don't notice it. That's what I want to say."
"I use the term 'for free', with this game. It's so negligible. And people ask, how do you do it? I say, well, we do render only once. That isn't magic. But we create a second image out of the first one. But how we do it is the magic. That's the secret sauce. I'm happy that we figured it out!
I hope Nintendo figured it out too. If 3DS was providing those types of visuals with double frame rendering to account for 3D, then imagine what they could do if they didn't have to cut performance in half to render 3D but still display 3D for virtually free.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 26, 2010, 01:34:45 PM
I hope Nintendo figured it out too. If 3DS was providing those types of visuals with double frame rendering to account for 3D, then imagine what they could do if they didn't have to cut performance in half to render 3D but still display 3D for virtually free.
Someone posted a video before with this guy who seemed pretty knowledgeable talking about the 3DS, and he remarked that because you could not affect the 3D effect of movies with the slider, it seemed that the game itself was rendering the 3D images. So whatever way the developers choose to create and use the 3D effect can be unique to their games. Which is great because if it was done through the system it could get awkward in certain parts of games that were meant to be in 3D to show you some vital part of the game. With the developers controlling it, they can work in a way to show you the 'vital part' in 2D since the game is immediately aware of the switch and changes accordingly. This could be one of the things developers asked Nintendo to put in since it seems so 'developer friendly'.
So Crytek's method can be used, or other methods, and it won't matter, it just needs to be coded to the 3DS specifications.
Edit: I forgot to say, that he also said the graphics weren't affected at all during the switch, so I'm thinking that the part of the GPU that creates the 3D effect may be only usable for that purpose.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 29, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
I could've started a 'place yer bets' thread for this, but I didn't:
When are people thinking (hearing?) that we're going to get the full 3DS reveal? The vitality sensor also needs its big reveal. What Nintendo events are coming up where these two devices might make their big reveals?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on June 29, 2010, 11:47:37 AM
The Vity Sensor is something that might not even happen anymore. The media wasn't really gung-ho over it, and with Nintendo being (slightly) more media sensitive after E3 2008, it could've been killed, very quietly.
Unless Nintendo's Fall Conference changes that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 29, 2010, 11:51:25 AM
What do you mean? It got its big reveal at E3 (and it was a great one). There are still some details we don't know, but we got the major stuff already.
Peach, officially they are still working on the Wii Vitality Sensor as they said the only reason they didn't show it off at E3 was because it wasn't the right environment for it (as E3 is not exactly the best place to show off something that is based on your stress level).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 29, 2010, 12:11:28 PM
What major stuff? It does 3D and has an analog nub? We kinda already knew that...
Where are specifics on the internals? The new online system? 3DSWare? Are we going to get WiiWare/VC on the 3DS? Pre-loaded software? (With the photo-editing software of the DSi and can't wait to see what they do for the 3D camera)What the hell is the purpose of the infrared? The final design? What kind of OS? Is there an app store? Is there VoIP? How much internal storage? How much are the new piracy measures going to affect the usability of the SD card slot? Is there rumble? Is the 3DS VC going to include classic GB/GBC/GBA games?
All they showed at E3 of the 3DS was the 3D screen works, the 3DS nub > PSP nub, and developers are lining up in major way behind it. The 3D cameras were an obvious inclusion, and they barely even mentioned them. While I was pleased with the lofty praise for the 3DS given by those lucky enough to experience it, I was quite disappointed by how little Nintendo actually told us about the system. They only showed us the obvious, I felt the E3 reveal was much like that first quick press release: just enough to keep us interested and talking, but little enough for them to adapt. I'm waiting to see the results of that adaptation, and am wondering when we will see it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 29, 2010, 12:13:50 PM
What do you mean? It got its big reveal at E3 (and it was a great one). There are still some details we don't know, but we got the major stuff already.
I'd say we actually don't. We don't know the launch date, the pricing, the launch software, the final design, anything about the rumored MegaStylus. We really don't know much beyond the prototype build shown for E3 and some of the software that may be in the works for it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2010, 01:01:57 PM
Place Yer Bets: When will the 3DS get its BIG reveal?
[] Tokyo Game Show (TGS) [] Liepizig Game Conference, Germany (GC) [] Spaceworld 2010 [] Nintendo's Fall Retailers Conference [] Press Release [] Press Leak [] Other
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2010, 01:04:27 PM
Place Yer Bets: When will the 3DS get is BIG reveal?
[ ] Tokyo Game Show (TGS) [ ] Liepizig Game Conference, Germany (GC) [ x ] Spaceworld 2010 [ ] Nintendo's Fall Retailers Conference [ ] Press Release [ ] Press Leak [ ] Other
Nintendo is gonna bring back Spaceworld. If Activision can throw a $6million party with the meager profits from a onetime $Billion success that is MW2, just imagine what Nintendo can do with the record breaking profits 6 years and running from DS & Wii.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 29, 2010, 01:16:51 PM
An accessorie like this would totally awesome. It does give the impression that the 3DS is the Virtual Boy 2. I would buy this just to use on my 3DS for nostalgia reasons.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 29, 2010, 01:28:31 PM
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Place Yer Bets: When will the 3DS get is BIG reveal?
[X] Tokyo Game Show (TGS) [] Liepizig Game Conference, Germany (GC) [] Spaceworld 2010 [] Nintendo's Fall Retailers Conference [] Press Release [] Press Leak [] Other
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 29, 2010, 02:50:55 PM
I think we will get the follow up the the big reveal (which was E3) at their fall conference in September. Nintendo doesn't do E3 (the closest they ever have was when Iwata gave the keynote address a few years ago and unveiled the Wii Remote, but Nintendo didn't have a booth that year).
I never said they gave all the details, but E3 was the big reveal for the system. MaryJane, it was not known for sure that it had had a analog stick (there was only speculation).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 29, 2010, 03:34:33 PM
An accessorie like this would totally awesome. It does give the impression that the 3DS is the Virtual Boy 2. I would buy this just to use on my 3DS for nostalgia reasons.
Place Yer Bets: When will the 3DS get is BIG reveal?
[] Tokyo Game Show (TGS) [] Liepizig Game Conference, Germany (GC)
Spaceworld 2010
[] Nintendo's Fall Retailers Conference [] Press Release [] Press Leak [] Other
This is more wishful thinking but I would love for Spaceworld to make a grand return. More likely it will be TGS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 29, 2010, 04:10:01 PM
Caliban and Stratos, you really think they would pick this year to start showing up at TGS? I am just curious since they never show up there.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 29, 2010, 04:36:22 PM
They might never have anything on the TGS show floor, but they do have announcements made to go along with TGS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2010, 04:47:14 PM
What if Nintendo just hired all their Deal or No Deal Booth Babes again and attached final 3DS hardware to their waist and just sent them throughout the entire TGS show floor. No Nintendo Booth, just a surprise Nintendo invasion of the entire Show.
Talk about Surprise of the show.
Imagine Iwata gives a keynote address or speech of some kind and then from behind the curtain he standing infront of pours out 200 Booth babes with 3DS's attached to them and they just start wandering the show floor, each with a different game, demo or feature they are presenting. How Awesome would that be?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on June 29, 2010, 04:51:46 PM
Heck of a preorder bonus if you ask me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 29, 2010, 04:56:10 PM
I think we will get the follow up the the big reveal (which was E3) at their fall conference in September. Nintendo doesn't do E3 (the closest they ever have was when Iwata gave the keynote address a few years ago and unveiled the Wii Remote, but Nintendo didn't have a booth that year).
I never said they gave all the details, but E3 was the big reveal for the system. MaryJane, it was not known for sure that it had had a analog stick (there was only speculation).
What did they show of the system besides its 3D capabilities and the nub? OK fine the nub was speculation... so that's the big reveal?? We have a nub so you don't have to worry about internal storage! Their announcement that what they showed wasn't the final hardware proves my point even further. All they did was show off the screen and the nub, that's not much of a reveal.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 29, 2010, 04:57:03 PM
Place Yer Bets: When will the 3DS get its BIG reveal?
[] Tokyo Game Show (TGS) [] Liepizig Game Conference, Germany (GC) [] Spaceworld 2010 [X] Nintendo's Fall Retailers Conference [] Press Release [] Press Leak [] Other
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Pale on June 29, 2010, 05:06:37 PM
It's going to be a separate event like they did for Wii. And it will just be scheduled probably 2-3 months before they do the launch.
Unless they feel like appeasing us whenever Japan announces the launch date and they give it to us then.
As many have said, I don't think this will be a worldwide launch. Japan has more of a need to push the portable market along than the US does and I highly doubt manufacturing could support the numbers needed for a successfulno massive shortages worldwide launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on June 29, 2010, 05:13:32 PM
I highly doubt manufacturing could support the numbers needed for a successfulno massive shortages worldwide launch.
While I agree that I don't think there will be a world-wide launch, I'm not sure why you think Nintendo cares if there are shortages or not. History would tend to show that they don't.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on June 29, 2010, 06:47:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo somewhat liked having a shortage with the Wii and wouldn't be that upset if the same happened with the 3DS. I think the Wii shortage helped the console from a marketing perspective. It was a hot item and the fact that it sold out the second stores got copies maintained that image. Owning a Wii was a status symbol. The Wii remained in conversations because it seemed that everyone knew someone who didn't have it yet but wanted one. Having stores putting up notices in their front window indicating that they have Wiis and when the next shipment comes in was like free advertising. Joe Blow goes in and he sees all these notices about the Wii, which aside from a demo unit is nowhere to be found and he overhears some parent asking about them and he'll think "wow this Wii sounds like a big deal." It's like how when a movie has sold out the first week and has people camping in line. The film is obviously already a big deal but it really makes it look like it is as well. I think it also makes up the mind for fencesitters. They fluked out and found a store with Wiis. Are they going to continue to debate the decision or just get the item now because they don't know when they have a chance. It isn't the same as when they're everywhere and you can ponder your decision as long as you want.
So it might be good for Nintendo is the 3DS is this hot ticket item that sells out the second it arrives on the shelf.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 29, 2010, 06:58:00 PM
What if Nintendo just hired all their Deal or No Deal Booth Babes again and attached final 3DS hardware to their waist and just sent them throughout the entire TGS show floor. No Nintendo Booth, just a surprise Nintendo invasion of the entire Show.
Talk about Surprise of the show.
I have nothing to contribute to this except I used to train one of the Deal or No Deal women for years.
I can't wait for the 3DS to be sold out like mad. Ian makes a great point about people talking about the product who either have it or don't have it. And when life doesn't give you that easy going choice, the moment you see it you will snap it up because its rare. It's kind of like when I play Pokemon, I don't even try to catch them all in heart gold because I caught them all in Diamond. I have little interest in Shiny Pokemon too, I know there is nothing special about them and I don't work my butt off trying to get one. But when I just so happen to see one, I raise hell trying to get it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 29, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo somewhat liked having a shortage with the Wii and wouldn't be that upset if the same happened with the 3DS. I think the Wii shortage helped the console from a marketing perspective. It was a hot item and the fact that it sold out the second stores got copies maintained that image. Owning a Wii was a status symbol. The Wii remained in conversations because it seemed that everyone knew someone who didn't have it yet but wanted one. Having stores putting up notices in their front window indicating that they have Wiis and when the next shipment comes in was like free advertising. Joe Blow goes in and he sees all these notices about the Wii, which aside from a demo unit is nowhere to be found and he overhears some parent asking about them and he'll think "wow this Wii sounds like a big deal." It's like how when a movie has sold out the first week and has people camping in line. The film is obviously already a big deal but it really makes it look like it is as well. I think it also makes up the mind for fencesitters. They fluked out and found a store with Wiis. Are they going to continue to debate the decision or just get the item now because they don't know when they have a chance. It isn't the same as when they're everywhere and you can ponder your decision as long as you want.
So it might be good for Nintendo is the 3DS is this hot ticket item that sells out the second it arrives on the shelf.
I agree, but this is a good strategy only if Sony doesn't announce a 3D PSP with ample stock. Also the 3DS is likely to sell out on its own accord, and being the only 3D mobile device in America-and only glasses-free 3D mobile in Japan (for now)-it will have tons of buzz. SO I hope Nintendo doesn't purposefully create a shortage, or unintentionally underestimate the demand for the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 29, 2010, 08:31:41 PM
I don't think a 3D PSP would mean squat since Sony would find someway to screw it up, just like they did with PSP Go.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2010, 10:26:21 PM
As part of a soon-to-be-published in-depth interview, Bilson commented to IndustryGamers, "Nintendo really wants to launch with a very balanced portfolio. They really don’t want it to feel like a kiddie platform. They were very clear: they really wanted Saints Row on it."
Bilson continued by talking about how the 3DS version is essentially a no-risk initiative for THQ and is ultimately designed to help sell the upcoming Saints Row 3. He elaborated, "Now, we know how those go sometimes: sure, the first party wants it, but is it really going to work? The interesting thing about the game is we were already making it. We were already making it as our Xbox Live game and in 3D also. It’s designed for 3D already. So the 3DS version is an incremental cost. It’s not a big startup cost. Anything in a transmedia play has a column called marketing in it. It’s also a marketing tool. So how does that game model for us? I believe it will do great, especially if Nintendo is going to go mature and really do a big mature campaign on it. It’s a killer game. It’s got all the weird humor of Saints Row, and also its existence is part of the marketing plan to sell Saints Row 3. Also, all these games have hooks where, if you play it, it unlocks things in Saints Row 3. If you play Saints Row 3, it will unlock things in the 3DS game or the Xbox Live game. I don’t know if I was clear about that, but all of our extension properties all connect and unlock things in each other."
When IndustryGamers asked Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime about attracting a mature audience to 3DS, he replied that it's more about "DS Plus," noting that Nintendo would add incrementally. "The way I would describe the market for the Nintendo 3DS would be the launch market that we had with the Nintendo DS plus the launch market that maybe PSP had. And the reason I frame it that way is we will attract all the Nintendo fans and all the Nintendo early adopters with products like Kid Icarus, and then we’ll incrementally add the consumer who loves Metal Gear, or the consumer who loves Resident Evil," he said.
Is Saints Row 3 coming to Wii? or does the 3DS version link up with the SR3 website or something? But either way it's nice to know that Nintendo is taking a serious approach towards Matoor gaming.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on June 29, 2010, 10:54:00 PM
Wait.... so the 3DS is going to connect to the Xbox Live service? That can't be right... Some sort of website based DLC perhaps linked through the separate games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 29, 2010, 11:21:48 PM
No, the 3DS won't connect to Xbox Live (at least not based on his comments. He said that Saints Row 3, for whatever systems it gets released on, will unlock things in the 3DS OR Xbox Live Arcade versions. BNM could be right, it could be as simple as playing the game and then logging onto their site will unlock stuff in the 3D versions.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2010, 02:18:27 AM
This is exactly what I've been saying. Critics have been saying that Nintendo only/mostly cares about the casual market and younger demographic. FALSE. Nintendo is a business and, as such, wants everyone's money.... they just never made a legitimate attempt at reaching out and grabbing that beautiful butterfly until now. I mean, they made half-hearted attempts, but it's nice to see Nintendo finally actively getting 3rd parties involved.
I hope this trend continues and carries over to their home console strategy. It's too late for the Wii, but for Nintendo's next console, I would be very impressed if Nintendo asked 3rd parties what they wanted to see hardware wise from the CPU/GPU down to the controller. I don't mean to say that they should build it for Nintendo. Rather, getting feedback from your partners is always a good thing. It should be a compromise. Nintendo should listen closely to what 3rd parties want so they know Nintendo takes their support seriously. That way, everyone wins.... except Sony and Microsoft.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on June 30, 2010, 12:53:10 PM
Gears of War creator interested in bringing franchises like Gears of War to the iphone, ipad and android.
If those devices can get those games, why can't the 3DS? I have been talking about Gears of War coming out on the 3DS and I would like to see it happen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on June 30, 2010, 01:22:02 PM
I figure lots of people look to this thread, here is in interesting video interview with Miyamoto.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/110/1102866p1.html
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on June 30, 2010, 01:38:21 PM
If those devices can get those games, why can't the 3DS? I have been talking about Gears of War coming out on the 3DS and I would like to see it happen.
Because it's probably a quick and easy game that costs $10. Porting to the 3DS will cost more and the game will cost $40 at retail. The iphone/ipad/android version would cost a 1/4 of that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on July 01, 2010, 01:31:47 AM
Get a load of this! Sony says Nintendo shouldn't bash 3D glasses!
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1103136p1.html
Sony wasn't thrilled about Nintendo's E3 2010 press conference where it continually reiterated its "no more glasses" messaging for the 3DS.
During an interview with IGN, president of Sony's Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida responded by saying Nintendo's vision for 3D gaming is similar to theirs and that it shouldn't focus on whether or not glasses are worn.
"I have hope that they have a broader perspective with 3D," Yoshida said. "When you listen to what they are saying about the effect of 3D perspective to the games, they are saying the same message we are, but they don't have to bash some small part of what the other company is doing."
Yoshida later said the industry should advocate 3D development, and that Sony would like to work alongside Nintendo in promoting the new technology.
"I think as an industry we should preach this new perspective, from a very large cinema screen to a small portable, because that helps advancing the games and the game industry," he said. "We'd like to work together to promote 3D."
At the time, Yoshida admitted he hadn't actually played the 3DS yet, but said the glasses technology is improving all the time and that of course they'll be required for movie-like experiences.
"If you really want a big theater experience, of course you have to wear glasses," he said. "With the latest technology, the glasses are light and you kind of forget you're wearing them after awhile."
Nintendo makes fun of Sony and they can't take it? Lame! I understand what Sony is getting at, but they need to go to hell with that statement.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on July 01, 2010, 01:47:32 AM
ahh! My baby monitor is screeching! i gotta turn it down, hold on.
ok back. Well I watched the whole press conference and the only thing Reggie said was, "Have you seen those glasses? Man, those glasses..." Instead of whining like babies they should be thankful they have other people's ideas to steal in the first place.
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"With the latest technology, the glasses are light and you kind of forget you're wearing them after awhile."
Just like our wallets after buying them ha, ha
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on July 01, 2010, 01:56:18 AM
Sony's just frustrated they might loose the upcoming portable war, which hasn't even started, and Nintendo is already ahead of anyone else. lol
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Guitar Smasher on July 01, 2010, 02:36:32 AM
Oh really? And what was Sony doing when they made the Move advertisement with that Kevin Butler character waving his hands all girly-like, claiming "no more waggle"?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 02, 2010, 05:08:57 PM
Anyone thing that this may have something to do with 3DS? http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/100702.html (http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/100702.html)
Sharp Develops and Will Introduce New LCD Controller for Mobile Devices
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Major Features 1. Enables dual display on two half-XGA (480 x 1024 pixels) screens at the same time, an industry first 2. Supports output of full-HD video to externally connected LCD TVs, projectors, and similar equipment. 3. Features a high-speed serial interface (MDDI 1.2/MIPI) and a diverse range of other interfaces, including those for cameras, SD memory cards, and IrSimple™.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on July 06, 2010, 01:20:44 AM
I'd like new games. I'll take a couple remakes, but only a few and they have to be worthwhile.
Basically FFVI.
I don't even think Star Fox 64 may even be remade. Didn't Hideki Kamiya a few months back say he wanted a new Star Fox badly? That could be a secret Nintendo/Platinum project... maybe.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2010, 05:09:50 PM
I imagine if Final Fantasy 7 was remade for the 3DS and it looked this good? Which games would my fellow forum people like to see remade for the 3DS?
I'd imagine a remade FFVII would look nothing like that since Square Enix has abandoned the super-deformed look. Also, considering Resident Evil was apparently real-time, Square Enix could probably do even better.
As for your second question: Final Fantasy VI. I'm such a slut for Celes......
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on July 07, 2010, 04:01:37 PM
I imagine if Final Fantasy 7 was remade for the 3DS and it looked this good? Which games would my fellow forum people like to see remade for the 3DS?
(1)I'd imagine a remade FFVII would look nothing like that since Square Enix has abandoned the super-deformed look. Also, considering Resident Evil was apparently real-time, Square Enix could probably do even better.
(2)As for your second question: Final Fantasy VI. I'm such a slut for Celes......
(1) To be fair, Tetsuya Nomura's best designs are the ones that are not realistically portioned when modeled in 3-D. I still think Brave Fence Musashi for the PS1 is where his designs really shined with the limitations of the PS1's graphic capabilities.
(2) And I'm a whore for Terra.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Toruresu on July 07, 2010, 05:28:24 PM
So, Kojima said something about MGS 3DS being able to look better than the PS3 version. Could this be true?! How?!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on July 07, 2010, 06:58:34 PM
(1) To be fair, Tetsuya Nomura's best designs are the ones that are not realistically portioned when modeled in 3-D. I still think Brave Fence Musashi for the PS1 is where his designs really shined with the limitations of the PS1's graphic capabilities.
A matter of opinion though I meant, for the FF series, Square Enix has gone with strictly proportionate character designs. I expect the inevitable Final Fantasy VII remake to follow Advent Children's lead. And there's about a 0% chance of it appearing on 3DS. I would expect it on a home console.
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(2) And I'm a whore for Terra.
I liked Terra as well though she was the start of a string of emo FF leads. FFVI didn't really have a main character, but you know what I mean...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on July 07, 2010, 07:33:56 PM
The 3DS could get a 3G network of ts own. http://kotaku.com/5581478/high+speed-cell-connection-could-come-to-nintendo-sony-devices (http://kotaku.com/5581478/high+speed-cell-connection-could-come-to-nintendo-sony-devices)
I am hoping for some kind of skype system. I wonder which one is more effiecient, 3G of skype? Which ever is the cheapest is best for me?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Pale on July 08, 2010, 10:50:07 AM
So, Kojima said something about MGS 3DS being able to look better than the PS3 version. Could this be true?! How?!
Pff, these kinds of comments will forever crack me right up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on July 08, 2010, 02:49:58 PM
I think we should not take Kojima seriously these days. The guy seriously has a Bipolar condition.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on July 09, 2010, 08:49:45 PM
I can alomost bet that Dragon Quest 7 and 8 will be ported over to the 3DS considering the financial success of DQ 9 and the fact that the 3DS is a graphical power house on par with the PS2, if not better.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on July 10, 2010, 01:21:08 PM
Just saw this bit of information. I guess it was in the E3 .pdf
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"In Animal Crossing, players move out on their own to live a life of ease in a village of walking, talking animals. But this time around, unexpected circumstances suddenly put the player in the role of Mayor in a town they’ve only just arrived in. With the help of the many unique townsfolk and one eager secretary, players will enjoy making their new town a better place for all to live in."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 10, 2010, 03:38:48 PM
I remember when that bit of info was announced during E3, most people seem to be happy with the idea of becoming mayor. If I could, I would force every citizen to pay me 1K bells per day.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on July 10, 2010, 08:29:27 PM
If I became mayor, Tom Nook's head would be hanging from the town's welcome sign as a warning to others.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: SixthAngel on July 11, 2010, 03:39:09 AM
So, Kojima said something about MGS 3DS being able to look better than the PS3 version. Could this be true?! How?!
Pff, these kinds of comments will forever crack me right up.
Why is 3D not considered part of the game looking good? When I think of the best looking games I think of typical things like polygons, texture and resolution too but 3D really should be added to the list.
It is possible to say that the 3DS looks better than the PS3 if you consider 3d to be a more important graphical ability than HD or more polys. (Kojima probably wouldn't mean this though).
This is a new factor that some people will see as more important than other graphics upgrades and I see a lot of people in the future getting pissed that some, probably new people, really care about it and others writing it off as completely unimportant while still talking about resolution and textures.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on July 11, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
THQ is very impressed by the copy right protection that Nintendo has implemented into the 3DS.
Your software is not legitimate, 3DS will self destruct in 10 seconds.
I would think that Nintendo would use something like the Hypnotoad to stop 3DS piracy. The moment you turn on that screen you have no chance, and nobody will talk about it because you're hypnotized to not remember you were hypnotized to begin with.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 11, 2010, 10:26:52 PM
Your software is not legitimate, 3DS will self destruct in 10 seconds.
I would think that Nintendo would use something like the Hypnotoad to stop 3DS piracy. The moment you turn on that screen you have no chance, and nobody will talk about it because you're hypnotized to not remember you were hypnotized to begin with.
Nintendo will set up a Counterfeit Excahange program at your local Gamestop where you will turn in your 3DS with Pirated software and then legitimately purchase all the software you had previously pirated. Hypnotoad will make sure you have no recollection of the events and everyone is happy.... until the pirate sees his next bank statement.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on July 11, 2010, 10:33:34 PM
LOL, and the bank statement description for the transaction would be PWNED.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: stevey on July 11, 2010, 10:45:09 PM
"they combated the piracy on DSi, which they don't believe is cracked yet - but they know they've been hurt across the world and they believe the 3DS has got technology that can stop that."
All they done is block Homebrew. Flash cards were updated in a week to work on the DSi, and I bet the 3DS will be identical. Nintendo needs to find a better company to do their system security...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on July 13, 2010, 12:21:03 PM
Nintendo's Hideki Konno is one of the chief architects of the company's upcoming 3DS, so don't be surprised if you hear quite a bit from him in the upcoming months. Speaking to Wired (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/07/hideki-konno/), the man who also gave us Mario Kart and Luigi's Mansion spoke at length about several of the features the new system will offer. Firstly, and perhaps most interestingly, comes revelations that Nintendo were working on 3D experiments as far back as last millennium, with prototypes to offer 3D suppor to such games as Luigi's Mansion.
"We have been doing these experiments for a very long time, starting from the NES era. We also tried with the Virtual Boy. And even for GameCube, with the development of Luigi’s Mansion, we were thinking of developing a 3-D version of it. However, at that time it was very difficult to realize it as an actual product on the market, because of the resolution of the screen and the separate costs of the console and screen.
"We have been waiting, going to tech shows and seeing the latest 3-D technology and devices that support those features. We started to have more confidence that this might be a good time to bring 3-D back to Nintendo."
Also discussed was the device's 'Tag Mode' - a unique feature which allows users to swap game data regardless of what game they're currently playing. Konno-san elaborated on how the feature would work:
"In the hardware, we have the capability that when you first play a game that supports Tag Mode, it will save to a Tag Mode data slot in the hardware system. We are planning to support multiple games at the same time: Mario Kart, Nintendogs, Animal Crossing, etc... We’ll prepare a Tag Mode Viewer, where if you look at the viewer you’ll be able to see that, for example you were able to connect with 50 people in Nintendogs and got their data, or got 100 people in Animal Crossing.
On the subject of a downloadable service in the same vein as WiiWare and DSiWare, Konno wasn't prepared to make a confirmation, but he did say "like WiiWare and DSiWare there should be downloadable content for this platform." One titbit that will sure to please fans of motion control, when Konno was quizzed on whether the capabilities of the 3DS' accelerometer could match up to Wii's MotionPlus, the answer was a clear "Yes, the same type of motion sensing is possible." Finally onto ergonomics, it was confirmed that Nintendo could enlarge the 3D screen on the system without harming the visual effect, opening up the possibility of a 3DS XL down the line. Konno-san also stated that we could take the exterior design of the console we saw at E3 as final.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on July 13, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
Nintendo's Hideki Konno is one of the chief architects of the company's upcoming 3DS, so don't be surprised if you hear quite a bit from him in the upcoming months. Speaking to Wired (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/07/hideki-konno/), the man who also gave us Mario Kart and Luigi's Mansion spoke at length about several of the features the new system will offer. Firstly, and perhaps most interestingly, comes revelations that Nintendo were working on 3D experiments as far back as last millennium, with prototypes to offer 3D suppor to such games as Luigi's Mansion.
"We have been doing these experiments for a very long time, starting from the NES era. We also tried with the Virtual Boy. And even for GameCube, with the development of Luigi’s Mansion, we were thinking of developing a 3-D version of it. However, at that time it was very difficult to realize it as an actual product on the market, because of the resolution of the screen and the separate costs of the console and screen.
"We have been waiting, going to tech shows and seeing the latest 3-D technology and devices that support those features. We started to have more confidence that this might be a good time to bring 3-D back to Nintendo."
Also discussed was the device's 'Tag Mode' - a unique feature which allows users to swap game data regardless of what game they're currently playing. Konno-san elaborated on how the feature would work:
"In the hardware, we have the capability that when you first play a game that supports Tag Mode, it will save to a Tag Mode data slot in the hardware system. We are planning to support multiple games at the same time: Mario Kart, Nintendogs, Animal Crossing, etc... We’ll prepare a Tag Mode Viewer, where if you look at the viewer you’ll be able to see that, for example you were able to connect with 50 people in Nintendogs and got their data, or got 100 people in Animal Crossing.
On the subject of a downloadable service in the same vein as WiiWare and DSiWare, Konno wasn't prepared to make a confirmation, but he did say "like WiiWare and DSiWare there should be downloadable content for this platform." One titbit that will sure to please fans of motion control, when Konno was quizzed on whether the capabilities of the 3DS' accelerometer could match up to Wii's MotionPlus, the answer was a clear "Yes, the same type of motion sensing is possible." Finally onto ergonomics, it was confirmed that Nintendo could enlarge the 3D screen on the system without harming the visual effect, opening up the possibility of a 3DS XL down the line. Konno-san also stated that we could take the exterior design of the console we saw at E3 as final.
In the full interview with Wired he is asked if the 3DS screen could be made larger and Hideki Konno said that a screen the size of a tv wouldn't work as well because everyone would have to be in the same position, but said the tech was perfect for portables because there's only one position to take. All that means to me is a 3DS XL is coming down the line in 2 or 3 years. Probably sooner. Also what sort of games could be made for 3DS using MotionPlus? That with 3D effects and all other sorts of bells and whistles seems like too many features for a developer and that they would likely choose one feature over another. I'd hate to see the accelerometer become the microphone feature on the DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on July 13, 2010, 12:44:30 PM
Options are fantastic. Doesn't mean you have to use them all at the same time, though.
Maybe devs will get it in their heads this time that they CAN use one, two, or all if they choose... 3DS sounds like it's loosening up the limitations or restrictions of what a system can allow a dev to do.
I can't wait to see what kind of magic gets created with this thing in the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on July 13, 2010, 12:55:06 PM
I think options are great too, but when a lot of the DS features have barely been used it makes me feel wary about more options coming. I really hope developers use what they can and I can't wait to hear what they've come up with. Until then I'm picturing people shaking their 3DS around like an Etch-a-Sketch :P
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on July 13, 2010, 12:57:45 PM
In the full interview with Wired he is asked if the 3DS screen could be made larger and Hideki Konno said that a screen the size of a tv wouldn't work as well because everyone would have to be in the same position, but said the tech was perfect for portables because there's only one position to take.
I was listening to one of IGN's podcasts, either Girl Fight or Nintendo Voice Chat, and one of them said that they found a booth that had a company displaying a non-glasses 3DTV that was viewable at multiple angles. The TV makes 9 fields of view, so all you have to do is pick an angle to sit and enjoy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on July 13, 2010, 03:47:02 PM
In the full interview with Wired he is asked if the 3DS screen could be made larger and Hideki Konno said that a screen the size of a tv wouldn't work as well because everyone would have to be in the same position, but said the tech was perfect for portables because there's only one position to take.
I was listening to one of IGN's podcasts, either Girl Fight or Nintendo Voice Chat, and one of them said that they found a booth that had a company displaying a non-glasses 3DTV that was viewable at multiple angles. The TV makes 9 fields of view, so all you have to do is pick an angle to sit and enjoy.
The tech has been out there for about a year in different forms. I saw one video where they placed a screen in front of a standard 3DTV and it acted as the glasses. That video specifically said they expected to increase the viewing angles to 64+ within a years time.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 13, 2010, 03:47:28 PM
In the full interview with Wired he is asked if the 3DS screen could be made larger and Hideki Konno said that a screen the size of a tv wouldn't work as well because everyone would have to be in the same position, but said the tech was perfect for portables because there's only one position to take.
I was listening to one of IGN's podcasts, either Girl Fight or Nintendo Voice Chat, and one of them said that they found a booth that had a company displaying a non-glasses 3DTV that was viewable at multiple angles. The TV makes 9 fields of view, so all you have to do is pick an angle to sit and enjoy.
We've seen a video of that screen as it's been posted in here several times early in the thread.
edit: Looks like Stratos beat me to it.
+details on Tag Mode +confirmation of gyro/accelorometer +hint at 3DS XL +Pokemon having video chat +new piracy protections
Now all we are waiting on is how much onboard storage is there and how much ram will this beast use. Nintendo could really be at a turning point here with this new hardware. I really hope they get it right for the gamers & the devs this time. They have our full attention, 3rd parties are actually excited for it and making games, so they need to not hold back and allow this system to do all that it is capable of.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 13, 2010, 04:56:51 PM
Just because they said they could make the screen larger doesn't mean they will. There is a lot they could have done with past systems ad never did.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 13, 2010, 09:41:19 PM
What I'm really hoping is that they enlarge the size of the top screen to fill out all that empty space a little more. adjusting the size of the bottom screen too would also be good if it doesn't actually make the system any larger.
Nintendo really need to fill in that top area some more. Push the screen size wise all the way up to the camera and over to the speakers. It would look so much better if the widescreen filled the space more. Maybe make it a 3.8" screen or a 4" screen on top and a 3.25" on the bottom.
edit 2: just make the bottom screen the size of the current 3DS top screen and then make the top screen a 3.8". That shouldn't change the size of the system at all. Can someone with Photoshop skills make a pic of that please?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on July 13, 2010, 10:18:34 PM
Two words: LightWeight +3.00RimlessFrameMagnifyingPresbyopicEyeglasses (http://www.uxsight.com/product/47577/light-weight-300-rimless-frame-magnifying-presbyopic-eyeglasses.html). They could easily make the 3DS 3x smaller without a difference in screen size.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on July 14, 2010, 02:40:50 AM
It doesnt have much to do with 3DS but just to let you know Pokemon Black and White will automaticly exchange friend codes when you connect. It is in some kind of infared mode.
Just thinking this might come into play in the 3DS hardware itself when it comes out.
www.serebii.net
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 14, 2010, 10:29:08 AM
Not really a big deal, the current Pokemon games give you the option to automatically register someone after you are done interacting with them.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on July 14, 2010, 12:15:26 PM
Oh yeah forgot about that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 14, 2010, 12:20:11 PM
I didn't know about it either until I got done trading with a friend in from school and it asked me if I wanted to register them to the Pal Pad (when I clicked yes, it added him without me needing to enter his FC).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2010, 04:48:31 PM
Big Time Japanese Producers Speak On The 3DS (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/07/14/3ds_producer_commentary/)
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Suda 51 GrassHopper Manufacturer's CEO and the man behind Killer 7 and No More Heroes has not yet announced any 3DS games. He told Famitsu, "I was able to feel the speed of progression of video game history, and also the feeling of 'We've come this far.'" Seeing the 3DS made him feel like there is a real touchable world inside the screen. "To express the game I want to make in a word, it's 'The Next Game.' Nintendo 3DS is the arrival of 'The Next Hardware.' So, 'The Next Game.'"
Atsushi Inaba The CEO of Platinum Games has no current 3DS product announced. But boy does he seem excited! Said Inaba, "I experienced a strong jolt of the feeling 'I want to make something.' When I first saw Wii and DS at Nintendo's home office, I was also excited. It's the same feeling here, but the level is completely different this time. Since the start of the game industry, there's never been a system that better fit the words 'dream' and 'next generation.'"
Yoshinori Ono The Super Street Fighter IV producer is working on Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition. He told Famitsu that outside of just the 3D visuals, he'd like to expand the fun of the game through the 3DS's other new features. "We'd like to put in some ideas that make effective use of the portability."
Hiroyuki Kobayashi The producer of such games as Devil May Cry, Resident Evil 5 and Sengoku Basara doesn't have any announced 3DS projects. Upon seeing Nintendo's titles running on actual 3DS hardware, he was "extremely surprised" to find that the images truly do come out from the screen. "Our own Resident Evil was shown on the show floor and was well received, but when I saw Metal Gear, I felt the new potential of the 3DS. I'd like to make something."
There's more at the link
Now lets hope all this HYPE turns into actual support and they aren't just blowing smoke again.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alexlam on July 14, 2010, 09:40:06 PM
I'm almost tempted to sell my DSi for the Nintendo 3DS. I hope the 3DS will be under $200 when it makes it way here in North America. Anyone know if they have done any research to see if there will be any long term side effects for staring at a 3D screen over an extended period of time? I'm just thinking it's not healthy for your eyes..
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 14, 2010, 09:53:35 PM
I don't think the technology's been around long enough for there to have been any studies like that. I'm sure, though, that, if there were any indication of a possibility of a serious issue with it, it wouldn't be being pushed as much as it is by so many companies.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ymeegod on July 15, 2010, 10:55:12 AM
Actually they already have statements about long term effects, namely kids 7 and under shouldn't be playing any 3d game/movie due to muscles in the eyes not being fully formed. Also a few odd warnings about people getting stokes from images poping up on the screen. In general there's not much difference between 3d and normal 2d, the other warning like flashing bright colors ect effects both sets.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2010, 03:13:02 PM
I didn't see a thread on Kid Icarus 3DS and I didn't want to start one, but here is a dev interview on the game http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3180382
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2010, 03:30:18 PM
Also here is an article on the PICA 200 that powers the 3DS http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/3dcg/20100715_380961.html
Quote from: Google Translation
Operating frequency of the processor at the time production demo of 200MHz, a 400MHz memory data rate, DDR SDRAM 256MB video has been connected with 256-bit bus. Host connection bit 64 / 66MHz PCI bus, or 32-bit / 33MHz PCI was the bus supports both, or was an experimental project for middle, last bus was at that time to support PCI-Express was delayed. [...] Anti-aliasing 4X (2X2) corresponds to the super-sampling method and multi-sample method. For the 1X system multisample pixel resolution, Z buffer to be 4X the resolution, but the most common implementation. The ending of PICA200 "OpenGL/ES1.1 +1.1 basic functions expansion pack" will feature up.
That's just a small snippet and this article needs to be translated by someone that speaks the language since you get words like this:
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the evolution of the GPU will be done in sync with the evolution of Puroguramaburushedaakitekucha.
The translation is kinda hard to understand so I hope someone that speaks Japanese can translate it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on July 15, 2010, 03:45:12 PM
The part you quoted was regarding their old PC tech. The PICA 200 stuff is near the bottom. It says OpenGL 2.0 is required on PC to emulate OpenGL 1.1 ES plus their MAESTRO extensions. I hope those proprietary extensions don't make things too difficult now that the rest of the mobile space has already moved to OpenGL 2.0 ES.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2010, 03:54:49 PM
The part you quoted was regarding their old PC tech. The PICA 200 stuff is near the bottom. It says OpenGL 2.0.
Is it?
I saw this: "Nintendo 3DS adopted "PICA200" is the previous ULTRAY2000 optimized for embedded devices and mobile devices, based on customized versions will be."
and figured that PICA200 is based off the ULTRAY2000 which had 256MB DDRSDRAM so that would mean that the PICA 200 is likely to also have 256MB of the same if not better.
But like I said, it was a Google Translation and was hard to understand. Thanks for pointing it out.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on July 15, 2010, 03:56:00 PM
Optimized for embedded always mean less RAM.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 15, 2010, 04:01:46 PM
Oh, well sometimes less is more.
and if you embed some better faster RAM, then you don't need as much to get the same if not better results, right?
256MB of RAM just for video in the 3DS wold be great though. especially if paired with another 256MB of RAM for everything else too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on July 15, 2010, 04:03:55 PM
It's not a direct trade-off, but presumably the 3DS wouldn't need as much RAM anyway, given its low resolution.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 16, 2010, 06:16:37 AM
256 vid ram is just ridiculous. I doubt 3ds would ever need that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 16, 2010, 11:15:40 AM
256 vid ram is just ridiculous. I doubt 3ds would ever need that.
A wise man once say "It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have"
If the 3DS is gonna be a little more than just a game machine, then it should have a little more than what it needs just for games. Nintendo doesn't need to go all out, but they've made plenty of money and can afford to not cripple their system by penny pinching everything. RAM is cheap, so it wouldn't hurt to have a little more than you think you would need.(Same goes for Flash mem) It's time Nintendo gets a little forward thinking and prepares for what the machine may be capable of 2-3 or more years down the road and not just build it around the games they are making now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: AV on July 16, 2010, 01:26:09 PM
256 vid ram is just ridiculous. I doubt 3ds would ever need that.
A wise man once say "It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have"
If the 3DS is gonna be a little more than just a game machine, then it should have a little more than what it needs just for games. Nintendo doesn't need to go all out, but they've made plenty of money and can afford to not cripple their system by penny pinching everything. RAM is cheap, so it wouldn't hurt to have a little more than you think you would need.(Same goes for Flash mem) It's time Nintendo gets a little forward thinking and prepares for what the machine may be capable of 2-3 or more years down the road and not just build it around the games they are making now.
I agree. For websurfing and aps it would be great to have tons of ram to help speed it up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on July 16, 2010, 04:12:47 PM
And for streaming movies from Netflix.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 16, 2010, 05:56:30 PM
256 vid ram is just ridiculous. I doubt 3ds would ever need that.
A wise man once say "It's better to have and not need, than to need and not have"
If the 3DS is gonna be a little more than just a game machine, then it should have a little more than what it needs just for games. Nintendo doesn't need to go all out, but they've made plenty of money and can afford to not cripple their system by penny pinching everything. RAM is cheap, so it wouldn't hurt to have a little more than you think you would need.(Same goes for Flash mem) It's time Nintendo gets a little forward thinking and prepares for what the machine may be capable of 2-3 or more years down the road and not just build it around the games they are making now.
I agree. For websurfing and aps it would be great to have tons of ram to help speed it up.
lol that **** isn't going to use video ram, thats just gonna use RAM RAM.
But yeah of course, the more the better while the price is right!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: AV on July 16, 2010, 06:57:37 PM
Hulu Plus as well. It would be epic if you could stream and temporarily save it and watch when your not connected online. Not sure how that's possible without hackers getting ahold of it, but the idea sound great in my head
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on July 16, 2010, 07:22:48 PM
If the 3DS online structure is good and viable, could we see a MMO for the 3DS? Imagine a World of Warcraft or Everquest game on the go. Any kind of excuse to get the fans of these games out of the house and expose themselves to sunlight.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Deguello on July 18, 2010, 11:17:36 AM
256 MB might be a bit much for the 3DS RAM (although considering the higher requirements for 3-D processing, it's possible that more RAM than usual could be necessary.)
I'd expect something between 128 and 256 MB, considering Nintendo never really uses standardized numbers (Like how the GC and Wii both have weird numbers like 43 MB and 88 MB of RAM, and it's all spread out over the console to the areas that need it).
I wonder if they'll still use that MoSys 1T-SRAM that they've used since the GC. It's pretty good stuff, although more expensive than the usual RAM, mainly due to it's low-power consumption. I'm thinking they will for precisely that reason, but I wouldn't expect something beyond 256 MB at the absolute max, which is sort of overkill for the kinds of stuff that the 3DS will play.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 18, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
We should specify whether we're talking about video ram on the GPU or just the same o' ram the CPU will be working with. 256 video ram is HUUUUUGGGGGGGEE for a thing with such a small screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 18, 2010, 05:24:35 PM
Assuming the 3DS will have a universal OS, wouldn't it need extra memory beyond what it needs for games to keep that running in the background?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 18, 2010, 06:17:22 PM
Assuming the 3DS will have a universal OS, wouldn't it need extra memory beyond what it needs for games to keep that running in the background?
Yes. If this is directed at me though, then I'm not sure what your getting at. A developer can not simply (ride into...) switch whether he's using video ram and normal ram. Video ram you have to go through an API like DirectX or OpenGL to use, and even then access is limited and controlled by the driver/gpu.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 18, 2010, 06:37:52 PM
I was referring to Deg's talk about regular RAM.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on July 18, 2010, 07:14:14 PM
It could have a Unified Memory Architecture like the Xbox 360.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Invincible Donkey Kong on July 18, 2010, 10:41:20 PM
What's all this crap about numbers? As efficient as technology is these days, numbers don't mean a thing. Just use your damn eyes when you get your hands on our beautiful final product. :reggie:
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on July 21, 2010, 04:02:21 PM
But how can I masturbate over videochat while battling with Pikachu whilst complaining to NWR that Nintendo is incompetent?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on July 21, 2010, 08:16:17 PM
Figure something out, try to be creative.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 21, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
But how can I masturbate over videochat while battling with Pikachu whilst complaining to NWR that Nintendo is incompetent?
It's called mastertasking your multibating.
But you're either gonna have to learn how to type with your feet, play Pokemon with your feet, do the other thing with your feet(which would be amazing) or grow a 3rd hand.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ponch on July 21, 2010, 09:30:57 PM
I hope you can get your urges under control before the 3DS is released, otherwise the only Pokemon you'll be playing for awhile is with Uncle Tookie.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on July 22, 2010, 12:17:32 PM
But you're either gonna have to learn how to type with your feet, play Pokemon with your feet, do the other thing with your feet(which would be amazing) or grow a 3rd hand.
But I thought that was the 3rd hand.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on July 23, 2010, 02:17:04 AM
It's more like a fist, to be specific.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 25, 2010, 09:31:58 AM
And for those doubting the graphical output of the 3DS...
3DS (http://www.abload.de/img/25844b9.jpg)
PS3/360 (http://i30.tinypic.com/5ciwsl.jpg)
The 3DS pic is a pic taken from a projector screen, but you can see all the same details with very comparable graphics.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 25, 2010, 11:19:31 AM
Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (no 3DS) is looking pretty good, I hope the gameplay holds up too.
Not a big deal, but 3DS games use the "3D" name, not the "3DS" name.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 25, 2010, 11:26:42 AM
I am beginning to think this game will have no 3D functionality to get these graphics, which is ok by me....having a portable Street Fighter will be worth it...and it says it will have added features.
I am hoping for at least 1-2 new characters for this version of the game...and perhaps a Tag Team mode? That would rock.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on July 25, 2010, 12:28:19 PM
Apparently, the arcade version of Super Street Fighter IV has 2 extra character slots. If Capcom follows the pattern of new version releases (SFA3 on PSP had 3 additional characters, for example), I would expect additional characters, though I doubt they'll be brand new. They are a good amount of characters from Alpha and III they could include.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on July 25, 2010, 11:32:12 PM
I pray the analog slider is good for joystick combos. (d-pads just don't work for me. need an arcade pad to play these games)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: vudu on July 26, 2010, 02:24:58 PM
Sadly, we can’t show you much, as Nintendo don’t want to soil the promise the 3DS holds by letting a bunch of non-3D stills of the game play out of the bag. It’s not worth trying to capture this in images either – it’s one case where you really have to see it to believe it.
The full 3D capacity of the Nintendo 3DS is best tested with the 3D camera. The two front mounted cameras can take a picture, then squish it to make a 3D image. There’s an extra 3D slider for this function, displayed on the lower screen, aside from the physical slider on the right hand side of the top screen.
This slider display, is to control the 3D, but more in the sense of setting the depth control of the image. So, take the photo, and it’ll look like double vision, but slide the 3D depth control, and the photo will slip into a 3D image that really pops.
and it goes on to talk a little about Pilotwings 3DS and Nintendogs & Cats
I also think that page will continue to be updated with more impressions as they get them.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 27, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
I don't know how I missed this, but IFC (Independent Film Channel) has been interviewing Reggie Fils Aime in a 3 part series Part 1 (http://www.ifc.com/news/2010/07/talking-with-reggie-fils-aime.php) | Part 2 (http://www.ifc.com/news/2010/07/talking-with-nintendo-of-ameri.php) | Part 3 (http://www.ifc.com/news/2010/07/talking-with-nintendo-of-ameri-1.php)
They talk about E3 & Zelda in Part 1; Sales & 3rd Party Support in Part 2; and Vitality Sensor, Hardware Dev Cycle, Kid Icarus & Other content such as Movies and Appstore in Part 3
Quote from: Part 3
IFC: There's a lot of talk about other content partners, non-game content partners showing up on the 3DS. What's going to be the delivery system there? Download, SD cards?
RFA: We haven't finalized it. We haven't finalized the business terms for something like movies. But the great news is that we do have a variety of different options.
IFC:I feel like consumers are so used to going into an online hub, be it an App Store or whatever, and getting their content that way. Do you guys feel confident in building such an infrastructure or are you going to leave it up to the partners, the movie studios and such?
RFA: Let's take this out of specifically movies. One of the things I love about this company is that we constantly look at our performance, and even when we are dominating a particular generation, we look hard to say what can we do better. And as we sit here today, we know we have to do digital better. And so, we will do digital better. How that looks will be different than what current players do in digital.
Why? Because we're compelled to innovate, we're compelled to bring this experience forward in a way that in our view is more compelling for the consumer. And so, I can't and I won't give you the details of our digital strategy, but what I will tell you is that our digital strategy will be significantly more robust, significantly more compelling than what we have done today.
IFC: So you can't tell me the details. Can you tell me when we might expect this evolution to happen? From a practical standpoint and if you're waiting too long to rollout, then people just may be into it.
RFA: That is very true. What I can tell you is when you rollout a new hardware, it's a perfect time to roll out this type of step-change.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on July 27, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
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Is there a bit of a teaser with regard to what we saw on the trailer, and in the name "Skyward Sword"? It seems to indicate that there might be some kind of vehicular element or something.
[At] the developer roundtable, Mr. Aonuma shared the skyward element of this game. The storyline goes that Link is living in a cloud world and finds a way to go down to the ground. And the gameplay will take you between this ground world and the sky world.
Right. Kind of the sailing in "Wind Waker."
So that's the traversal.
Sounds like flying is going to be the new sailing.
Considering Jonny's comments on the last RFN, this is funny:
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we keep working on it and 3D has been stock in our heard for 15 years.
Okay. Going back to what?
Virtual Boy.
So, you're saying there's a legacy there.
Absolutely. Second, we were fortunate that we have software developers side by side with our developers. And when the software developer comes up with an idea that can't be done with the current system, that's when hardware development for the next generation truly begin to earnest. Project Sora, which began what? Just over a year ago. You know, I wasn't there but I suspect someone came forward with an idea that said, you know, the technologies at the point where a 3D game can be done and we have got a perfect franchise to do it with, and it's "Kid Icarus" [which started as Project Sora].
So if I can paraphrase, you're saying essentially, "Hey, we have got this tech that can do this." And then--
It starts with, "We've got an idea." We have been working with this technology for a long time, suddenly, the tech capability has caught up with our vision and we have this creative idea to bring it to life, now it's time to go.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 27, 2010, 09:03:47 PM
What did Johnny say in the last RFN?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on July 27, 2010, 09:12:57 PM
Basically that Nintendo flat-out lies about having such great new ideas that only new hardware can make possible, but they really just like doing it to make $$. Now here's Reggie back on the All About New Ideas! train.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 27, 2010, 09:17:25 PM
I don't think Johnny could be more wrong on that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2010, 04:57:05 AM
Nintendo Co., the world’s largest maker of video-game consoles, posted its first quarterly loss in more than two years, as the stronger yen cut the value of overseas earnings and demand for DS handheld players fell. [...] Nintendo said a lack of new game titles hurt sales and today kept its outlook for annual profit to drop to the lowest in four years as the number of Wii consoles sold is projected to fall for a second year. President Satoru Iwata plans to introduce a 3-D model of the DS and a heart-rate-tracking “Vitality Sensor” accessory for the Wii this fiscal year to revive earnings growth.
“Many investors are in a tug-of-war between the outlook for a weak first half and expectations for the new DS model in the second half,” Mitsushige Akino, who counts Nintendo shares amid the $450 million he oversees at Ichiyoshi Investment Management Co. in Tokyo, said before the earnings release. “Lower earnings and any hint of Nintendo losing its top spot in the games market could tempt many individual investors to sell.”
Nintendo: 3DS Launch Date & Price to be announced on September 29, 2010 (http://www.bloomberg.co.jp/apps/news?pid=jp09_newsarchive&sid=aw6fGOsg.GBI)
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July 29 (Bloomberg): Nintendo's new portable game machine that will be available during the quarter, "Nintendo 3DS" about the price and release date details on September 29 in Japan and expected to ship in fiscal year are planning to announce. Mr. Yasushi Hiroshi Minagawa 29 spokesman, said the phone told Bloomberg News.
Anybody still think that it's not coming this year? Place Yer Bets people. place yer bets.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 29, 2010, 09:58:13 AM
Not this year outside of Japan. Japan MAY get it in November or December.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_Neal on July 29, 2010, 11:17:53 AM
I think the fact that it is being announced in September, we'll see a 2010 release in Japan. I still hold out hope for a 2010 release in North America, but unless we catch wind of a press conference announcing the release date in the US by September, I doubt it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: SixthAngel on July 29, 2010, 11:21:37 AM
I doubt it will come out this year. They won't release a system early just because they had a few losses. Systems need to be released when its time and rushing them is a terrible idea.Hi Xbox It also doesn't give anybody nearly enough time to get ready for it. You can't announce and release so close together usually.
The quarterly loss seems like just having the worst scenerio possible for Nintendo with the R&D and production startup for the 3DS and most likely the next Wii research as well as a terrible exchange rate. I read that they lost something like 90 million dollars just because the US dollar is crap and the yen is strong. Thats a ridiculous amount of money to lose because of exchange rates.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on July 29, 2010, 01:27:17 PM
“Lower earnings and any hint of Nintendo losing its top spot in the games market could tempt many individual investors to sell.”
Loosing their spot? Really? I would keep those shares if it were me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_Neal on July 29, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
...But I don't think they'd be releasing it early. If it comes out this year as opposed to early next year, it's not an issue of rushing it, or at least that's how I see it.
The reason why there is so much speculation is because no one knows if it is ready for fall or not.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2010, 01:47:03 PM
I doubt it will come out this year. They won't release a system early just because they had a few losses. Systems need to be released when its time and rushing them is a terrible idea.Hi Xbox It also doesn't give anybody nearly enough time to get ready for it. You can't announce and release so close together usually.
Is that so....
Quote from: Wikipedia - DS
On September 20, 2004, Nintendo announced that the Nintendo DS would be released in North America on November 21, 2004 for US$149.99.[18] It was set to release on December 2, 2004 in Japan (¥15000);[19] on February 24, 2005 in Australia ($199.95);[20] and on March 11, 2005 in Europe (£99.99/€149.99).
Quote from: Wikipedia - Wii
On September 14, 2006, Nintendo announced release information for Japan, North and South America, Australasia (Oceania), Asia and Europe, including dates, prices, and projected unit distribution numbers. It was announced that the majority of the 2006 shipments would be allotted to the Americas, and that 33 titles would be available in the 2006 launch window.[21] The Wii was launched in the United States on November 19, 2006 at $249.99. It was later launched in the United Kingdom on December 8, 2006 at £179.
I'd say there is a pretty strong chance of history repeating itself here.
Also remember that back at GDC, devs were saying that they were told to aim at a late 2010 launch, so their games should be completed this year if they were planning to be launch titles.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2010, 02:29:57 PM
“Price, we haven’t made any kind of announcement at the moment, but for everyone who already knows, you know, the Nintendo DSi is available for around £129.99,” said Honeywell at a Nintendo event in London earlier this week.
He went on to add: “The Nintendo DSi XL, with the larger screens, is around £159.99. So obviously, it’s going to fit, kind of, somewhere within that kind of architecture.”
Place Yer Bets people. place yer bets.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on July 29, 2010, 02:57:44 PM
Oh, I fully expect a November release for the 3DS in America. It makes too much sense to do it. Holiday season, hello? Big BIG bucks to be made there.
...just like how we'll see the next home console from Nintendo holiday next year. Just watch..
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 29, 2010, 03:33:55 PM
I said in the prediction thread November 21, 2010, and I stand by that prediction.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Guitar Smasher on July 29, 2010, 04:01:26 PM
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Loosing their spot? Really? I would keep those shares if it were me.
Yeah, it would be pretty short-sighted to sell your shares just months before the release of what's speculated to be the most successful handheld ever.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2010, 04:11:06 PM
Yeah, it would be pretty short-sighted to sell your shares just months before the release of what's speculated to be the most successful handheld ever.
If it's speculated to be the most successful handheld ever then that information is already included in the current stock price. Stock prices are only affected by new, unexpected information.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Pale on July 29, 2010, 04:55:05 PM
A november release does make all the sense in the world.
That, and all the reasons discussed already, are why it will release in November, 2011.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Deguello on July 29, 2010, 05:12:44 PM
If they want a competitive advantage they'll need to release it sooner than an entire year and half from now.
I think November is likely and March 2011 is the definitely "by this time" date.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 29, 2010, 05:25:05 PM
A november release does make all the sense in the world.
That, and all the reasons discussed already, are why it will release in November, 2011.
Including the one where Nintendo said By End Of Fiscal Year 2011 (which ends March 31st 2011)?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Pale on July 29, 2010, 09:10:19 PM
I know they just declared a loss and all, but I don't think NOA really wants to release the 3DS quite yet honestly. I also think the games that will be ready this holiday won't be very plentiful.
If I were NOA, I would consider letting Japan release this holiday, and then delaying NA release an entire year from then. This will give them the opportunity to lower the price of the DS for christmas and sell a bunch more. Let the new lower price drive a bunch of hardware when the new Pokemon launches in March. And all the while let the launch lineup for the 3DS grow and be awesome.
And all that said... I think November is EXTREMELY unlikely. You may see them do something crazy and launch it along side the new Pokemon in March though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on July 29, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
Systems need to be released when its time and rushing them is a terrible idea.Hi Xbox It also doesn't give anybody nearly enough time to get ready for it. You can't announce and release so close together usually.
Nintendo DS also says hi.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 29, 2010, 09:33:16 PM
I think Nintendo wants to release it this year, and will do so if they can do it with a decent software lineup. That's the biggest variable in this situation, and we don't really have any clue of what that situation is.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Guitar Smasher on July 29, 2010, 10:01:46 PM
Yeah, it would be pretty short-sighted to sell your shares just months before the release of what's speculated to be the most successful handheld ever.
If it's speculated to be the most successful handheld ever then that information is already included in the current stock price. Stock prices are only affected by new, unexpected information.
Right. But it's still short-sighted to sell your stock because of a single quarter loss (which is to be expected given where they are in their business cycle). Even if the next quarter is equally poor (which it will likely be). At least wait until the 3DS launches and make a judgment. At the very least it will sell well, but most likely it will sell out. So while it's possible the stock price may drop marginally, it's a risk worth taking if only to see the possible rewards of a business in super-demand.
If someone's still concerned about profit levels remaining down, consider the widespread support from AAA devs/pubs, and imagine the profits from 3rd party sales you'll see.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 30, 2010, 06:34:51 AM
I think this is why Nintendo is stressing some enhanced classics. Cheaper classics with one as a pack in would be smart...and then perhaps 2 Nintendo launch titles that are original would be a ok launch. Top that with instant Virtual Console support...which was purposely held back from the DSi for the 3DS...and knowledge that 3rd parties will get games available for launch...just to rack in the money. And I think it is possible for a launch this year. But, I believe Nintendo wants a launch this year in JAPAN. I believe March next year will be the world wide launch...which will give Nintendo time to sell out a few times in Japan and get production ready for the world.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 30, 2010, 01:48:26 PM
Gamespot: Nintendo 3DS extended hands on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofAcD7DZ3Jw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofAcD7DZ3Jw)
edit: I don't know about the rest of you, but I wasn't expecting any RE at 3Ds launch, but I was hoping for some SSFIV 3D when I pick up my 3DSthis Xmas ;)
Looks like neither are coming this fiscal year ending March 2011.
During a Q&A session at an investors briefing today, Capcom reps were asked if 3DS games are included in its projections for the current fiscal year. The response was: "We announced Resident Evil Revelations and Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition at E3, but these are not included in our plan for this fiscal year."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 30, 2010, 03:11:42 PM
Considering that just last week Capcom said Street Fighter IV was only about 10% complete, there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell it was gonna be out this year even if 3DS is released. I wouldn't expect the game to come out until next summer.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 30, 2010, 07:04:19 PM
I remember that... sorta, but if they got that much ready and it's only 10%, and I figure it's mostly a port of a game with additional features, then getting the other 90% done in 5-7months isn't impossible.
I was thinking of a launch window release, and now it's confirmed that it won't be out before April 2011. I guess it still could be a Launch window game, depending on when the system is released, but I was hoping for some SSFIV 3D at launch, even if that launch was in March 2011.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on July 30, 2010, 07:10:23 PM
I can't help but think Nintendo is leading us on.
First they announce the 3DS in some obscure press release.
Then they show it off at E3 but only with little demos and trailers.
Then they send out a press release saying that they will announce the release date of the 3DS on the 28th of September.
Then a little later they report a loss.
.....this is following a pattern here.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on July 30, 2010, 07:12:43 PM
Are you saying that you think Nintendo is going to release the 3DS sooner than expected now?
If so, I'm game. :)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 30, 2010, 07:50:49 PM
First they announce the 3DS in some obscure press release.
Then they show it off at E3 but only with little demos and trailers.
Then they send out a press release saying that they will announce the release date of the 3DS on the 28th of September.
Then a little later they report a loss.
.....this is following a pattern here.
They only confirmed the 3DS because a news outlet was basically getting ready to do a story on it. We got a ton of info at E3 (although some people here don't think that). The loss was reported before they announced the September event.
And what "pattern" do you think you see?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on July 31, 2010, 11:27:45 AM
Actually this is been part of the new Nintendo behavior towards media.
They like to hint at things. Tell you bits of information and when you will find out more. It helps keep their name in the news and a buzz around the products. It is smart, because it keeps Nintendo in the news, and on the minds of the consumers. The Wii was really the first system that did this well...and Nintendo is doing all the time in interviews now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on July 31, 2010, 03:40:43 PM
There is one key title that has me thinking a late November 2010 release for the 3DS and that game is Madden. EA is currently developing Madden for the 3DS. Madden is due for release in a week or so, I think Aug 10 to keep pace with the beginning of training camp and the preseason of the NFL. I cannot see EA release Madden on the 3DS so far into the NFL season so I can't think of a 2011 launch. November is midway, give or take, through the NFL season so releasing a new Madden at that time could still be a success.
Another thing that has got me thinking recently, specifically about the movie function of the 3DS, is the new droid cell phone that just came out that has Blockbuster pre-installed. This is the first I've heard of a service like Netflix on a cellphone. Could whatever software/service Blockbuster is running on Droid be what Nintendo will use on the 3DS? Blockbuster is in desperate need of new approach to combat Netflix and TV provider's on-demand services. Having Blockbuster software in the 3DS, through pre-installed or download purchase, would be huge for them.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 31, 2010, 04:49:51 PM
I would have much preferred Netflix pre-installed, and I'm still waiting for a Netflix app for Android.
Nintendo already has experience working with Netflix for the Wii, so I really hope Netflix is where the company they do business with. Netflix would be in a good position to start selling digital download copies too, it's the 3rd step in owning the internet movie arena.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on August 09, 2010, 05:23:04 PM
Some Bioware reps have recently declared a big interest in the Nintendo 3DS:
"The 3DS has only been in the hands of third-parties for only a few months, yet it has already garnered tremendous support. However, a number of developers saw it for the first time at E3, including BioWare co-founder Greg Zeschuk. In a recent interview, Zeschuck said that he was “blown away” by Nintendo’s new portable, and even pondered the possibility of making a title for the handheld."
“We could [make a 3DS title] because we’ve done a DS game before. So imagining it, it’s pretty similar. It will depend. The thing I’m curious about on 3DS is, what else does it bring to the table? Is it going to be wireless? What kind of backend connectivity are they going to do? That is what excites me. I loved it. I saw it at E3 and I was blown away. I’m not sure if it’ll bring that much more to the table. But that’s going to be enough to reinvigorate the DS market. For us to want to jump in, you largely have to have a lot more online stuff going on there. You’re clearly limited in how flexible you can be on the backend. We always joked about a DS MMO at some point…It would be brilliant. But the problem is it’s not patchable. That’s the thing I’ve learned working on MMO stuff. You have to be able to update. But it would be a pretty cool concept…And that [more online integration] opens up those kinds of windows. And suddenly, even just imagine that
Mass Effect 3DS? Sonic Chronicles 2? Dragon Age 3DS?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on August 10, 2010, 05:08:54 PM
Just buy an Xbox 360 already.... Sonic Chronicle 2 notwithstanding, you keep bringing up games on other platforms that you want on Nintendo hardware. Why don't you just get those other platforms then and you can play those games to your heart's content? Let me simplify this for you:
FUN > Brand loyalty
You can get a 360 for under $200 now and you don't have to worry about the RROD problem anymore. It's a good console and you've already named several games you want and many of them are under $30 now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on August 10, 2010, 05:22:13 PM
I just meant that it would be nice to have those titiles on the go because it does not look like a portable Xbox is coming anytime soon.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tujiaxing on August 12, 2010, 04:11:05 PM
I'm going to buy one also!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: balzzzy on August 13, 2010, 02:58:40 PM
Found a great detailed article explaining how the 3DS works for those who are interested: http://www.kombo.com/features/How_the_3DS_Works/ (http://www.kombo.com/features/How_the_3DS_Works/)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on August 15, 2010, 12:30:54 PM
If the 3DS does have a hand held virtual console, I would not mind seeing GBA games in 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 15, 2010, 12:56:31 PM
If they do a handheld Virtual Console, I think the chances of them adding 3D are slim. They would likely do the same thing they did with the Wii's VC and have the games kept the same (except for rare occasions like removing the Kawasaki ads in Wave Race 64 or letting you sent pictures from Pokemon Snap to your Wii Message Board). So I think a handheld version would be the same, the games would basically have to be kept the same as they originally were.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on August 15, 2010, 02:34:10 PM
If they do a handheld Virtual Console, I think the chances of them adding 3D are slim. They would likely do the same thing they did with the Wii's VC and have the games kept the same (except for rare occasions like removing the Kawasaki ads in Wave Race 64 or letting you sent pictures from Pokemon Snap to your Wii Message Board). So I think a handheld version would be the same, the games would basically have to be kept the same as they originally were.
The GBA had the ability to use 3D already built into it, right? I mean if it did all they would have to do is implement it and release it on the 3DS virtual console.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on August 15, 2010, 02:37:02 PM
Correct. The GBA had built in 3D effects, but they couldn't be implemented in any games due to lack of 3D screens at the time.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 15, 2010, 02:38:20 PM
I thought it was just the Gamecube(& therefore the Wii) that had 3D capabilities built in.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on August 15, 2010, 02:40:47 PM
Every system since the NES has had it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on August 15, 2010, 03:03:31 PM
Wii 2 Virtual Console Plus with 3D enabled NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube games. SEGA? SNK? NEC?
3DS virtual handheld service with Gameboy, color, advance in 3D.
Nintendo is good at getting people to buy games twic and having these titles in high definition 3D is just the excuse they need to avoid allowing you to transfer you older downloads to the next system(s).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on August 15, 2010, 03:06:15 PM
Correct. The GBA had built in 3D effects, but they couldn't be implemented in any games due to lack of 3D screens at the time.
We have one now with the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 15, 2010, 09:20:57 PM
What does it matter if the GBA had 3D possible or not? The games themselves did NOT have 3D, so Nintendo or the other publishers would have to go in and re-program the whole game to add 3D. Bot only do I not see Nintendo allowing them to alter games that much, it would also cost too much if they want to keep the prices low.
Also, there will be no high-def games on 3DS because the 3DS can't display HD images (the top screen can only output 240, minimum to be considered HD is 720).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 15, 2010, 11:58:55 PM
And trust me, you don't need 720p on a 3ds screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 16, 2010, 12:05:17 AM
It'd be nice to have more than 240, though. I'm not asking for what I've got on my iPhone 4; I don't need to not be able to see pixels, but it should have been more of an improvement over the original DS than it is.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on August 16, 2010, 12:37:28 AM
I was hoping that the 3DS would be the firsrt HD handheld console. Well, there is always the PSP 2 that can take on that title.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 16, 2010, 01:34:55 AM
I don't think they make HD screens at that size. It'd be pretty pointless, since, like I mentioned a few posts ago, I can't see individual pixels on my iPhone 4's screen, which isn't technically HD, and once you get to that point higher resolution doesn't matter anymore.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 16, 2010, 01:47:56 AM
I don't think they make HD screens at that size. It'd be pretty pointless, since, like I mentioned a few posts ago, I can't see individual pixels on my iPhone 4's screen, which isn't technically HD, and once you get to that point higher resolution doesn't matter anymore.
It'd be sweet if the 3ds had a projector, then 720p would be cool.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: SixthAngel on August 16, 2010, 01:13:15 PM
For the love of god stop using HD when not talking about tvs. Give some real resolution numbers, they are so much easier to understand when not talking about movies/tv screens. Remember the screen size is soo much smaller the only two numbers used in hd speak make almost no sense here. Also stop with the "technically hd." HD is a marketing term for tvs so it doesn't matter if it is or not on a tiny screen
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 16, 2010, 02:24:31 PM
HD is not just for TV screens. And I did give some real resolution numbers. The top screen displays in 800x240 (really 400x240, it's just doubled to produce the 3D effect). The second number is what is used to describe the resolution, which is basically for anything with a screen. I didn't say it was needed to have a screen that small be HD, I was just saying that the 3DS can't display HD resolution.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 17, 2010, 02:38:58 AM
1280x720 is 720p 1920x1080 is 1080p
1080i is just simulated in 720p and is worse. The monitor your using is probably 1280x1024.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on August 19, 2010, 01:28:01 AM
I would not be surprised if the 3DS has internal holographic memory mainly for the download of 3DS games and content.
I know this is a late reply, but I was just checking to see what was going on with InPhase, the holography company that Nintendo partnered with. They failed to deliver their first product, which was set to ship in 2008, and their offices and assets were confiscated by the Colorado Dept. of Revenue in February 2010 for failure to pay taxes. So, yeah, holographic storage is even more unlikely in the near future.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on August 19, 2010, 01:35:11 AM
Maybe they were just holographic offices and assets confiscated to throw competitors off the trail. Megaton
Could these holographic offices and assets be refurbished for the Virtual Console?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 20, 2010, 03:43:11 PM
Street Fighter 3DS Will Be a “Perfect Port” of The Console Game (http://kotaku.com/5617576/street-fighter-3ds-will-be-a-perfect-port-of-the-console-game)
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Street Fighter producer Yoshinori Ono says that when the spectacularly popular Street Fighter IV comes to Nintendo's 3DS portable it will be a "perfect port" of the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions of the game.
While nothing will be removed from the console versions of the game when it moves over to the portable, it will have some differences, specifically in how the game will use stereoscopic 3D and the different ways gamers will be able to control the game.
"We are currently working hard on researching the possibility of having two control options," Ono said. "One would be targeting people my age, entering 40, who played on the Super Nintendo Entertainment System. It will allow them to play it as they used to on the Super NES."
But Ono also wants younger fans of the game, those who perhaps never played it on the older Nintendo system, to be able to comfortably play the game as well.
"We are going to support them by providing an interface on the touchpad so they can play not knowing how the game used to be played.
"By providing two different options we hope to reach a broader audience."
more at the link
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: AV on August 20, 2010, 05:23:57 PM
1,000th Reply message to this topic . WOOT!!
I don't really care about Street fighter, but I'm wondering how 3D and online play will work together
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 20, 2010, 08:27:31 PM
Headstrong Games developing for 3DS? (http://tinyurl.com/2b2namx)
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Summary in English: At gamescom we just had the opportunity to talk to Steve Pritchard, Development Director of Headstrong Games. In this conversation he mentioned that the company is still working together closely with Nintendo. Later on, he also confirmed that they've already started development on three games for Nintendo 3DS. Although he didn't confirm it directly, but taking both statements together makes it very likely that Headstrong Games is working on at least one game for 3DS for Nintendo. Maybe a new Battalion Wars in 3D? Here the audio file: right click to download
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 20, 2010, 11:21:58 PM
I would be all over a new Battalion Wars for the 3DS. That would actually be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on August 21, 2010, 05:15:34 AM
I think Battalion Wars is dead.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on August 21, 2010, 11:55:37 AM
3D will bring it back to life.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: balzzzy on August 21, 2010, 12:22:17 PM
Well I hope it's not another take on house of the dead. There recent "The house of the dead overkill" was ok but nothing to shout home about as far as shooters go.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on August 21, 2010, 06:10:25 PM
I know that Rare games will never come to the virtual console, but I would not mind seeing 3D enhanced remakes of Conker and Perfect Dark for the 3DS. Viva Pinata came over to the DS, so these two games would be pretty nice on the go.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 21, 2010, 06:20:57 PM
Will you please give it the **** up.
Rare games are not coming. stop bringing it up in every damn thread.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 21, 2010, 06:28:51 PM
Rare games are not coming. stop bringing it up in every damn thread.
Not on VC, but 3DS entries ARE possible (remember Banjo-Kazooie: Gruntie's Revenge and Viva Piñata: Pocket Paradise).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 21, 2010, 06:32:05 PM
anything is possible but it's not likely to happen so there is no reason to **** up every thread with request for Rare games to come to current and future Nintendo systems.
Either go buy the original systems that they were released on or go find another way to play it, but quit bringing it up in ever damn thread. It got old a long ass time ago.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on August 21, 2010, 07:10:31 PM
While I don't want to encourage the Rare name drops, 3DS Rare titles are entirely possible and most likely probable since Microsoft likes making money and 3DS will undoubtedly be successful.
Anyway, I read that the 3DS D-Pad at E3 wasn't final. I don't recall any hands-on impressions complaining about it. It certainly looks comfortable to use though I expect most games to use the slider over the D-Pad (touchscreen/motion controls notwithstanding).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on August 21, 2010, 08:22:13 PM
While I don't want to encourage the Rare name drops, 3DS Rare titles are entirely possible and most likely probable since Microsoft likes making money and 3DS will undoubtedly be successful.
Anyway, I read that the 3DS D-Pad at E3 wasn't final. I don't recall any hands-on impressions complaining about it. It certainly looks comfortable to use though I expect most games to use the slider over the D-Pad (touchscreen/motion controls notwithstanding).
This is why I brought the subject up and those two games are ones that I would really like to have on the go. I couldn't care less any other way.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on August 22, 2010, 09:27:33 AM
The point is that you brought up the subject 349684729835364921 times before. We got it. We know.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on August 25, 2010, 04:29:39 AM
Sup people, just popping in to pass on this info I ran into the other day. Rumor has it that the 3ds might be using a Marvell cpu. Now I've never heard of this company before and don't know much about specs to know what exactly all this means but hopefully someone on here can shed some more light on the subject.
Here's the link to the rumor http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=134030 (http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=134030)
Also, the second post in the comments section of the above link, adds some more flame to the fire but providing a link to the specs of the rumored cpu line, no source is given though. Here's that link http://www.marvell.com/products/processors/embedded/kirkwood/88F6192-003_ver1.pdf (http://www.marvell.com/products/processors/embedded/kirkwood/88F6192-003_ver1.pdf)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on August 27, 2010, 02:34:30 PM
Have you read any bit of this thread Manny?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on August 27, 2010, 05:47:33 PM
I pop in every now and then but my work schedule (2 jobs) permits me from checking the threads on a daily basis as I used to. Why, has my post already meen mentioned? lol. After I posted, I did some more research into Marvell and the 3DS connection and it seems like a rumor was started between the 2 back in January of this year but from my time on this site I've never seen a mention of it. I threw that post up though cuase it was current as of Aug 24, I believe.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 28, 2010, 01:13:27 PM
A Japanese research team said Thursday it had developed the world's first 3D television system that allows users to touch, pinch or poke images floating in front of them. "It is the first time that you can feel images in the air," said Norio Nakamura, senior scientist with the research team at the National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology.
"You can have the sense of touch like poking a rubber ball or stretching a sticky rice cake" when manipulating images, he told AFP by telephone.
The technology changes the shape of three-dimensional images in response to "touches", aided by cameras that monitor how the fingers move, Nakamura said.
It is not known when the technology will be put to practical use but its creators see it being used to simulate surgical operations and in video game software allowing players to experience the sensation of holding weapons or sports equipment.
It could even use scanned images to supplement existing realities, said Nakamura.
"This technology could create a virtual museum where visitors, including vision-impaired people, can put their hands on valuable sculptures that are usually untouchable," Nakamura said.
Imagine the possibilities that the near future holds.
p.s. This news story has nothing yo do with Nintendo or the 3DS
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 02, 2010, 09:17:46 PM
This makes no sense, unless you are wearing some sort of glove or sensors to make you feel the images...in which case it will be very expensive and it will be awhile before the technology can be used effectively in games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on September 03, 2010, 05:20:59 AM
Not necessarily. There are types of screens that can cause areas to harden and soften when stimulated certain ways so they feel different. I remember reading about it in an article about attempts to create a digital braille display screen.
Can't find anything about those screens, but there were a bunch of articles about other tactile digital screens that create different textured feelings. http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/touch-screens-with-feeling
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 03, 2010, 01:01:29 PM
Stratos, I can understand that....that would be dealing with actually touching the screen. But they talked about touching the 3D object, which makes me think of the floating imagine you think you see...and I can't see how that would work at all. If I have to touch the screen to get the results it is not nearly as engaging or interesting to me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on September 05, 2010, 05:45:57 AM
Rereading the article I realize that you are not feeling anything. You are able to manipulate the object because it senses where your fingers are but you aren't actually receiving any feedback. Look at this sentence:
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The technology changes the shape of three-dimensional images in response to "touches", aided by cameras that monitor how the fingers move, Nakamura said.
It's just Natal tech.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on September 05, 2010, 06:58:06 PM
If you can't feel anything, how does that help vision-impaired people?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on September 08, 2010, 01:36:23 AM
I was assuming that was hype talk but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 08, 2010, 09:27:42 AM
Not worth it's own thread, but Tecmo Koei has announced that the official name of the Dead or Alive game on 3DS will be Dead or Alive: Dimensions.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
Looks like Japan could be getting the 3DS on Nov. 20th accordign to a tweet from a designer at Keyfactory http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23283629&postcount=1
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“On November 20th, the 11 goods I designed for use with the 3DS will go on sale simultaneously. Those of you buying the 3DS, please buy them while you’re at it! This will be officially announced on the homepage eventually, lol. Best regards.”
coincidentally, the 20 of Nov. is also the date MS set to release Kinect in Japan. Should this turns out to be true, if you thought Kinect was gonna be DOA in Japan before....
15 more days until the announcement (9/28) so not to much longer now. I still got my fingers crossed for WW release this year.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 12, 2010, 04:03:30 PM
I keep hoping that the 3DS will be released world wide this year to keep move and kinect off balance.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 12, 2010, 04:54:10 PM
I saw that rumor earlier, the Twitter account that supposedly posted it though no longer exists. So I would not chalk this up as true yet.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on September 12, 2010, 05:46:05 PM
Ok thanks BlackNM for the heads up. I guess I will hold off on my DSI XL for just a little longer. I don't mind waiting to see if this comes true.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on September 12, 2010, 06:16:12 PM
A remake of a 2 yr old RPG maker game is being developed for the 3ds. Two reasons which lead me to believe this will be 3DSware are 1. Given this game was originally made with RPG maker VP and released digitally online, by a small studio, I can only see this trend continue with a digital release on the 3ds. 2. Plus, I highly doubt this studio made enough money off its RPG maker games to allow them to produce an actual disk based 3ds release.
This does have me wondering though if they will keep the 2d graphics or go 3d. If they do keep the 2d graphics, I wonder how the 3d effect will be used, if at all. I also wonder how good the studio is in developing decent 3d graphics. Creating 2d rpgs with RPG maker VP is totally different from developing for 3ds (I can only imagine) Hopefully the studio's artists are experienced in 3d models as they are in their sprite work.
Anyways, here's a link to a review of the original release for those that haven't heard of this game before. The game did get good reviews so thats a good start.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on September 17, 2010, 01:55:02 AM
All this 3DS related news coming up, I'm thinking it is coming out this year!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on September 17, 2010, 02:32:14 AM
I'm amazed that more information hasn't been leaked. We are so close to Nintendo's announcement and practically nothing has come out since E3. I was thinking after E3 that we'll be getting a stream of info, official or otherwise, but all we've got is some registered names and some titles being announced recently. I know Nintendo is known for their secrecy but damn they'r good lol.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 17, 2010, 06:03:26 PM
Manny, you are definitely jumping the gun by making assumptions. I don't think Nintendo has even announced a 3DSWare service. Also, this wouldn't be the first time that a download only series got a physical game (Geometry Wars: Galaxies comes to mind).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on September 17, 2010, 08:56:26 PM
sorry on my busted cell. i think theres some merit to my conclusion. galaxy wars, as far as i rem, was a digital game on live which became a huge success n built a fan base which then released as a disk game on the same system with said fanbase. This game is a rpg maker game from 2 yrs ago with a small fanbase. I, personaly, find it hard to believe they can go from a small rpg maker digital release to a disk based release on the hot system of the coming yr. I find it easier to believe this will be a 3dsware release even though said service is only a rumor.
UPDATE: Looks like Gamestop has added more fuel to the 3ds fire. Seems that they have the 3ds up in their systems as a Nov 22nd release along with 18 games and 14 accessories. It also states that preorders will become available on Sept 29th. Here's the link to one of the many sites running this rumor. http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82094/rumor-gamestop-lists-november-22-release-for-3ds-in-usa/ (http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82094/rumor-gamestop-lists-november-22-release-for-3ds-in-usa/) Looks like I'll be making the rounds on the 29th (at the fing ass crack of dawn I bet) to ensure a preorder has my name on it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 18, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
Geometry Wars: Galaxies was on Wii and DS, all of the previous Geometry Wars games appeared on Xbox and Xbox 360.
GameStop has added games that don't even exist (and ended up never existing) before.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 18, 2010, 10:48:21 AM
UPDATE: Looks like Gamestop has added more fuel to the 3ds fire. Seems that they have the 3ds up in their systems as a Nov 22nd release along with 18 games and 14 accessories. It also states that preorders will become available on Sept 29th. Here's the link to one of the many sites running this rumor. http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82094/rumor-gamestop-lists-november-22-release-for-3ds-in-usa/ (http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82094/rumor-gamestop-lists-november-22-release-for-3ds-in-usa/) Looks like I'll be making the rounds on the 29th (at the fing ass crack of dawn I bet) to ensure a preorder has my name on it.
of the "many" sites running this rumor, you choose to link us to VGChartz? you couldn't have picked some other site?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on September 18, 2010, 01:13:21 PM
well they all come from the same source and are stating the same thing so i just linked the most recent site i read.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 18, 2010, 08:36:10 PM
I'm only really excited about one game (Resident Evil: Revelations) so 3DS launching this year makes no difference to me considering that one game likely won't be ready. Would Nintendo even have any decent launch titles ready by November?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 21, 2010, 10:20:05 AM
It's funny, but I don't think I even care if any games are ready. I could occupy myself with the 3D camera and downloading DSi games I've never played (never got a DSi). I'd buy the 3DS with no games, for sure.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on September 21, 2010, 12:51:23 PM
That analog slider would make some 3-D games for the DS have better control. (hi mario 64 ds)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 21, 2010, 12:52:49 PM
Being able to play almost all DS games (no way to play the Guitar Hero On Tour games since they require the GBA slot) should help with any potential early droughts.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on September 21, 2010, 02:53:24 PM
Oh yeah, absolutely. I'd love to be able to just buy the system. I don't need any new games for the time being. I'll just pop Dragon Quest IX in the sucker, and I'll be good to go until an onslaught of games decides to show face. :)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_Neal on September 21, 2010, 05:37:36 PM
I actually went into a GameStop last weekend and more or less debunked that report. I got them to look it up in the system, and there's no mention of the 3DS in their system, which is the same system used in every store.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on September 22, 2010, 09:55:12 AM
I actually went into a GameStop last weekend and more or less debunked that report. I got them to look it up in the system, and there's no mention of the 3DS in their system, which is the same system used in every store.
GameStop is so funny sometimes.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on September 22, 2010, 02:55:22 PM
IGN just leaked the tech specs for the 3DS. They're reporting that it will have 'two 266MHz ARM11 CPUs, along with a 133MHz GPU, 4MBs of dedicated VRAM, 64MBs of RAM, and 1.5GBs of flash storage.' That's a real nice jump in storage, I'm real excited about the potential for a multi-region release.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on September 22, 2010, 03:24:00 PM
From that IGN article
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Numerous developers working on software for the platform have likened its graphical capabilities to current-generation consoles like the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, albeit on smaller, lower-resolution screens.
Even though I saw footage of some really awesome looking games, I never really believed what I was reading in the forums about the graphical power. But if developers are really saying it is even somewhat like the current PS360 graphics then I think we can expect great things from next gen Nintendo home console.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: DAaaMan64 on September 23, 2010, 12:16:23 PM
Well... please note that a lot of this stuff has been just tech demos. The graphics are good because they haven't added any game logic and physics programming to the game yet. Physics can often take as much calculation time as graphics. So you shouldn't be surprised if some of the final games don't look as pretty as the tech demos.
The reason the devs are saying that is because of the shader model. haha
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on September 23, 2010, 12:49:42 PM
Numerous developers working on software for the platform have likened its graphical capabilities to current-generation consoles like the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, albeit on smaller, lower-resolution screens.
Even though I saw footage of some really awesome looking games, I never really believed what I was reading in the forums about the graphical power. But if developers are really saying it is even somewhat like the current PS360 graphics then I think we can expect great things from next gen Nintendo home console.
While that's all well and good, let's not forget this makes handheld game development cost more.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 23, 2010, 07:49:49 PM
you all need something to read: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-3ds-techspec-exploration-blog-entry (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-3ds-techspec-exploration-blog-entry)
and more info about Spaceworld 3DS 2010!? Nintendo Press Event on Sept. 29th http://ds.ign.com/articles/112/1122856p1.html#ixzz10PD7cYNC (http://ds.ign.com/articles/112/1122856p1.html#ixzz10PD7cYNC)
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Nintendo will be announcing its 3DS launch strategy on the 29th during a press conference at the Makuhari Messe (the same venue as the Tokyo Game Show, which Nintendo does not attend) in Chiba, Japan. With 3DS on the way, Black & White could end up being the last major push for the current generation DS platform.
Hmmmmm..... quite a big venue for what we assumed would be a little more than an announcement. I'm guessing Nintendo is just gonna do a HUGE 3DS blowout on the 29th and reveal that Nov 20th Japanese release date (Nov. 22nd for the US)
edit 2:
Rumor - Backlit buttons on the 3DS? http://www.nintendo3ds.org.uk/3ds-buttons-to-be-backlit/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+nintendo-3ds+(Nintendo+3DS) (http://www.nintendo3ds.org.uk/3ds-buttons-to-be-backlit/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+nintendo-3ds+(Nintendo+3DS))
(http://i51.tinypic.com/smge9w.jpg)
and before I forget (http://nintendo3dsblog.com/countdown/countdown.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 23, 2010, 10:05:19 PM
What does the 3DS stylus look like?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on September 23, 2010, 10:06:39 PM
An old metal radio antenna turned into a stylus.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 23, 2010, 11:05:34 PM
How would that work and does anyone have any pictures or mock ups?
You know those lightsaber toys that you can buy - they're like a series of tubes that fold into themselves? Like that, only smaller.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 23, 2010, 11:32:21 PM
When I owned a DS Lite I bought this kit from Nyko that had a wrist strap with a cord that attached to a specieal clip on a light up stylus that plugged into the stylus slot on the Lite. When the stylus was taken it was connected via a chain to the wrist strap and it could not be lost. I would like to see a similar situation for the 3DS stylus.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on September 23, 2010, 11:33:54 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 23, 2010, 11:42:39 PM
Talk about your fast lane.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 24, 2010, 02:19:52 AM
Why would you need back lit buttons? I know I never actually need to look at the buttons (except when using Sony's Playskool-based controllers). That would be a unnecessary extra cost if true.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 24, 2010, 09:46:11 AM
Why would you need back lit buttons? I know I never actually need to look at the buttons (except when using Sony's Playskool-based controllers). That would be a unnecessary extra cost if true.
the new and casual gamer might need them since everyone will be unfamiliar with the new button setup, but I'm sure it cost almost nothing to do and adds perceived value to the product. I'm also sure tha tif i twas true, there would be a way to turn it on and off in the menu somewhere.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 24, 2010, 11:09:31 AM
But how many people play their games in such a dark environment that they can't even see the letters? I'm not saying it wouldn't look neat, but I just don't see the need for it or the reason for adding the cost.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on September 24, 2010, 11:37:33 AM
IGN reports that no foreign press will be allowed to the Sept 29th event. Does that mean release details will be only for Japan and not for other regions? http://ds.ign.com/articles/112/1123079p2.html
The back lit buttons sound like a really a fancy aesthetic, but I doubt that it's true. The new button set up are only the menu buttons: Home Start and Select. Everything else is the same layout of the DS systems. While I wouldn't enjoy some backlit lovin' I would have to wonder if it were even necessary if not a waste. Imagine the battery died due to powering lights beneath the buttons. If it's true I would hope that the option to turn it off becomes available.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on September 24, 2010, 04:18:42 PM
It's alright. Someone always ends up translating the news for us.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on September 24, 2010, 05:34:12 PM
Backlit buttons doesn't sound like Nintendo. That's the kind of thing that is done to make a device "look cool," and Nintendo has never been about looks. If they were added to help the types of gamers who have trouble remembering the buttons in the dark, well, Nintendo recommends playing games in a well-lit room, and illuminated buttons would encourage the opposite.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on September 24, 2010, 06:19:45 PM
Backlit buttons doesn't sound like Nintendo. That's the kind of thing that is done to make a device "look cool," and Nintendo has never been about looks.
That's totally not true. If Nintendo didn't care about looks we wouldn't have gotten a DS Lite; there wouldn't be multiple colors for their handheld systems and all the home systems would still look like the NES (some might actually like that). Gamecube was all about the games so Nintendo wanted it to look like a toy because games were toys. The Wii needed to be sleeker and smaller and more Apple-like to appeal to the popularity of Apple and make it more everyone-friendly. So they made it look that way. Nintendo has almost always been about looks.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on September 24, 2010, 06:24:19 PM
Let me clarify: Nintendo has never been about doing something only for the looks. All the decisions you mentioned had a purpose beyond looks, especially the DS Lite, which fixed some issues that the original DS model had.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on September 24, 2010, 08:37:56 PM
It's alright. Someone always ends up translating the news for us.
Not to mention Nikkei ends up leaking everything beforehand.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on September 24, 2010, 08:44:51 PM
Lighted buttons could be useful. The game could use these to communicate to the player. Think Simon Says. Think Navi wanting to tell you something, so the X button flashes.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on September 24, 2010, 09:20:06 PM
Think Navi wanting to tell you something, so the X button flashes.
If this will happen, I'm anti-backlit buttons. It's bad enough they're using cycles for the popup and her screaming "HEY! LISTEN!", wasting battery on lighting 1 button will only cheese me off even more.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on September 24, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
Lighted buttons could be useful. The game could use these to communicate to the player. Think Simon Says. Think Navi wanting to tell you something, so the X button flashes.
I could see something where the Home button would shine to alert the player they have a message to check like the Wii, but I don't see the need to have all the buttons light up. Maybe if there were a 3DS with a Tron design, but only for that!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on September 25, 2010, 06:19:19 AM
I love the idea of the buttons lighting up and even using that in the game, but I want the option to turn them off If I want.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on September 25, 2010, 07:44:01 PM
Lighted buttons could be useful. The game could use these to communicate to the player. Think Simon Says. Think Navi wanting to tell you something, so the X button flashes.
Now that sounds like the kind of thing Nintendo would do.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 25, 2010, 09:23:34 PM
That's silly. There are 2 screens.... and the button flashes? How is that more useful than an on-screen indicator? Seems more extraneous than innovative.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on September 25, 2010, 09:41:36 PM
That's silly. There are 2 screens.... and the button flashes? How is that more useful than an on-screen indicator? Seems more extraneous than innovative.
Removing the indicator from the screen leaves more room for game play to happen on the screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 26, 2010, 11:26:34 AM
Grab your salt containers cause it's rumored leak time:
Germany's Sunday edition of BILD says that 3DS is launching in Japan on Nov. 11th and Q1 2011 for Europe with the launch games of Mario Kart, Professor Layton & TLoZ: OoT 3D at the price point of 200€
(http://i56.tinypic.com/otgnqt.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on September 26, 2010, 04:55:18 PM
Hmmm... Would Nintendo really surprise us like that? that is almost only one month away. When do we normally get release dates?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 26, 2010, 05:21:28 PM
The DS launch date was announced about 2 months before (on September 20, it launched November 21). Same thing for Wii, announced on September 14 and launched on November 14. So it's likely they will do the same for 3DS (I didn't count the revisions of the DS since they usually release those almost at the same time they are announced).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on September 26, 2010, 05:49:54 PM
Grab your salt containers cause it's rumored leak time:
Germany's Sunday edition of BILD says that 3DS is launching in Japan on Nov. 11th and Q1 2011 for Europe with the launch games of Mario Kart, Professor Layton & TLoZ: OoT 3D at the price point of 200€
199.99 USD. Pretty much guaranteed if this leak is true, and I would go as far as saying that it will release in North America this year because Europe is almost always last to get anything.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on September 26, 2010, 05:53:01 PM
Isn't the 3DS Professor Layton game the 5th one? We haven't gotten the fourth one yet (with the third *just* coming out. I think it's a safe bet that Europe and the US won't be getting Layton at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on September 26, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
Mario Kart, and Ocarina of Time 3D should be enough for North America. Plus there's also whatever 3rd party releases that will be available at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on September 26, 2010, 06:53:27 PM
Isn't the 3DS Professor Layton game the 5th one? We haven't gotten the fourth one yet (with the third *just* coming out. I think it's a safe bet that Europe and the US won't be getting Layton at launch.
Not necessarily since 1) they already had some of the puzzles at E3 2) Level 5 is starting to handle their own stuff 3) Nintendo might want to push it out for launch since it's a relatively simple game to produce aside from localization But I wouldn't be surprised if that article is nothing more than speculation based on all of the hints already out there.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: oohhboy on September 27, 2010, 12:05:35 AM
Look up, Uncle bob has the low down.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 27, 2010, 06:22:29 PM
Part of the second season will be The Mask of Miracle, the series' first foray on the Nintendo 3DS. "We were originally developing it as a Nintendo DS title, but decided to switch gears and develop it as a Nintendo 3DS title instead," Hino explained. "The game has really undergone some major changes as we've come to understand the capabilities of the Nintendo 3DS." Unfortunately, Hino wouldn't reveal much more about what we can expect from the 3DS sequel. He did offer this mysterious tease, though. "Even Professor Layton's appearance is changing quite a bit, but you'll have to wait and see what I mean!"
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 27, 2010, 07:46:09 PM
The only thing containing my excitement for that game is the fact that I still don't have the new one. . .yet.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2010, 11:00:11 AM
GAME UK says 3DS will launch in Europe in Spring 2011
UK retailer GAME has said it expects the Nintendo 3DS to launch in Europe next year.
Speaking in an investor call this morning, the firm backed up recent reports that suggested the new handheld will launch this side of the Atlantic in Spring 2010.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on September 28, 2010, 11:37:34 AM
Anybody know what time the Japanese conference starts so I can figure out what time eastern that is? Figure out if I'm reading the news before bed or when I get up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2010, 11:54:49 AM
Look back around midnight EST or 9pm PST
Conferences in '07 & '08 started around 1pm JAPAN TIME (http://nintendo3dsblog.com/countdown/countdown.png)
Click for ---> JAPAN TIME (http://free.timeanddate.com/clock/i29dq6e5/n248/fn8/fc090/tc000/pc000/ftb/pa3/tt0/tw1/tm1)
e: Looks like Capcom will also be announcing 2 NEW games around the same time as (or shortly after) the Fall Nintendo Conference. http://twitter.com/CapcomEuro (http://twitter.com/CapcomEuro)
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Two new games announced tomorrow for the early birds amongst you here http://www.capcom-europe.com/blog at 7am
we can only assume that they will be 3DS related as I'm sure this 3DS embargo of info will be lifted as soon as Nintendo properly reveals the rest of the 3DS' secrets.[/quote]
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on September 28, 2010, 12:17:38 PM
Thanks. Midnight is about when I go to bed. Guess I'll be groggy at work tomorrow. Doubt I'll sleep after the excitement.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2010, 04:39:29 PM
According to a Nikkei Twitter feed, the conference won't actually start until 2pm JAPAN TIME or 10pm PST & 1am EST http://twitter.com/Nikkei_TRENDY/status/25772860151
Quote from: Google Translation
What day will tomorrow Wednesday? The answer is Nintendo's presentation, "2010 Conference Nintendo" Day! Holiday centerpiece, 3D visuals play "Nintendo 3DS" details should be announced. On Twitter from 14:00 tomorrow, so live presentations and playing experience to enjoy. (Pound)
so just add an hour to the countdown timer.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2010, 04:53:22 PM
So, is that 1AM ET on Wednesday (i.e. 8 hours from now) or 1AM Thursday?
Either way, we won't get the news right away since only Japanese media will be allowed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2010, 05:17:29 PM
1am as in hours from now Eastern time and it's a bad translation by Google, but the twitter says that they will be updating the twitter with news as it happens so follow.
I'll post that translation in a second...
Quote from: Human Translation
What kind of day will Wednesday be? The answer is the day of Nintendo's presentation, "Nintendo Conference 2010"! With a focus on the end of year sales wars, details about the "Nintendo 3DS", on which you can play games in 3D, are supposed to be announced. Starting tomorrow at 2 PM, we will be tweeting the presentation and our play experiences in real time, so look forward to it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on September 28, 2010, 06:40:55 PM
Let me clarify: Nintendo has never been about doing something only for the looks. All the decisions you mentioned had a purpose beyond looks, especially the DS Lite, which fixed some issues that the original DS model had.
Except they could have done those fixes and placed them into the original DS. They decided they wanted a more Apple look to the DS though and so looks were a big purpose with the DSL. In fact, the DSL looks were a big part of that change. It's the first design which Nintendo went for a less rugged and sturdy design in their handhelds and that passed on to the Wii. No company is all about looks. Otherwise, they won't be around very long. But looks are very important to most companies mainly for marketing purposes. If a kid doesn't look cool holding this item, there is a likelyhood that said kid will not buy the product or get his parents to buy it for him.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on September 28, 2010, 06:47:59 PM
Except they could have done those fixes and placed them into the original DS.
That would have made it cost too much, they had to wait to be able to create that design.
Nintendo have gotten more trendy as of late, just like the rest of the world. It's a shame really, but ths isn't the place for that kind of conversation.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on September 28, 2010, 08:33:25 PM
I'm confused... when does the conference start?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2010, 09:05:35 PM
The conference starts @ 2pm Japan Time http://free.timeanddate.com/clock/i29efjs7/n248/fn8/fc090/tc000/pc000/ftb/pa3/tt0/tw1/tm1 (http://free.timeanddate.com/clock/i29efjs7/n248/fn8/fc090/tc000/pc000/ftb/pa3/tt0/tw1/tm1)
in simplified terms, 4 hours from the time of this post (minus 5 minutes ;) )
in other news http://nintendo3dsblog.com/samurai-warriors-chronicle-featured-in-famitsu-magazine (http://nintendo3dsblog.com/samurai-warriors-chronicle-featured-in-famitsu-magazine) & other games listed in this weeks Famitsu: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/28/flying_get/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/28/flying_get/)
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]It looks like Acquire's Class of Heroes series is coming to 3DS. Famitsu's release schedule this week lists a "Class of Heroes. 3Dx3D."
Also in the release schedule: Splinter Cell 3D, Ghost Recon, Driver 3D, and apparently some sort of game where you wait tables... in 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Gameboy Freak on September 28, 2010, 09:50:59 PM
This is probably a stupid question but will there be any videos from the conference or are cameras not allowed?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2010, 11:31:50 PM
Nintendo's Stock Rises on Anticipation of Upcoming Press Conference (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/29/nintendo_press_conference_stocks/)
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Investors excited about upcoming announcements, but would apparently be more excited about a worldwide release this year.
Financial information site Searchina posted an update yesterday on Nintendo's stock activity ahead of the conference. Apparently, the stock has been on the rise as investors in anticipation of the conference. I'm no financial type myself, but this presumably means investors expect good things.
HYPEtrain.gif?
1.5hrs to go.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on September 28, 2010, 11:41:56 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 28, 2010, 11:50:15 PM
We need a translator STAT!!!!
(http://i53.tinypic.com/10sc5xx.jpg)
I said STAT DAMMIT!!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: that Baby guy on September 28, 2010, 11:58:17 PM
I think those are generally games we already know, with exceptions to the ones there's already buzz about, that are revealed. I'm guessing those are the bold ones.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 28, 2010, 11:59:03 PM
I hope that Sonic game is Sonic Chronicles 2.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on September 29, 2010, 12:00:40 AM
Where is the live blogz?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 12:06:22 AM
I think those are generally games we already know, with exceptions to the ones there's already buzz about, that are revealed. I'm guessing those are the bold ones.
your're right. We still needed a translation though
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Samurai Warriors Chronicle Resident Evil Revelations Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition Dynasty Warriors Ninja Gaiden Dead or Alive - Dimensions Kingdom Hearts 3D Chocobo Racing 3D Super Black Bass Super Monkey Ball Sonic Rika-chan 3DS Animal Crossing Kid Icarus StarFox 64 3D Steel Diver Nintendo 3DS nintendogs + cats Mario Kart PilotWings Resort Paper Mario The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D a Kororinpa a Deca Sporta a Bomberman a Gundam a Super Robot Wars a Dragonball Pacman & Galaga Ridge Racer Harvest Moon 3D Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask Crash-City GP VS-robo Class of Heroes Combat of Giants - Dinosaur 3D Ghost Recon Tactics Splinter Cell 3D Driver 3D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on September 29, 2010, 12:53:45 AM
I'm in the IRC chat with UncleBob, Megabyte and others: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/chat
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 01:03:24 AM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 01:06:41 AM
Final 3DS Design
http://yfrog.com/0p9esqj
until the 3DSL of course.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on September 29, 2010, 01:25:36 AM
It looks the same.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on September 29, 2010, 01:31:44 AM
Welp, IRC just crashed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on September 29, 2010, 09:04:24 AM
$300...you've got to be kidding me? Even if they take exchange rates into account (which are going to get worse) we will be lucky if we get it for $250. That's a pretty outrageous price point. Especially from nintendo who always tries to keep it cheap and aimed at all consumers. Even $250 with a pack in game and I'm a little annoyed.
That being said VC gameboy. Hopefully it willg row to include gba, wonderswan, neogeo color, gamegear maybe even lynx. That eb really cool.
But seriously $300 is a huge deal breaker for me and in my opinion going to hurt them outside of the initial launch hype.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2010, 09:33:00 AM
Highly unlikely. It's just the Sonic game they announced at E3 and Takashi Iizuka talked about doing a Sonic game on 3DS that was 2D and and fast paced, basically original Sonic.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 09:47:30 AM
So we're looking at $250-$300 with a packed in 2GB SD card? ($250 is my ceiling)
How much onboard storage? any tech specs? Details on how the OS works other than Home button interrupting your game? The Wii does that, so I hopr they meant you can return to the menu without actually exiting the game.
Tag mode sounds cool, looking forward to seeing how they use it though.
Black & Blue are the JPN Launch Colors and Feb 26th Launch Date JPN, March for EUR/US Is there anything else I missed?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2010, 10:00:36 AM
Other than no US or EU launch dates announced, correct. Some other threads have other news, like Nintendo confirming you will be able to re-download DSiWare games on 3DS (although to a limited number of systems), and confirming Game Boy/Game Boy Color/Game Boy Advance games for a handheld Virtual Console on 3DS.
$250 seems likely based on other systems from Nintendo and the conversion from Japanese prices.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on September 29, 2010, 10:01:50 AM
Here's a video that shows back lit buttons, but it's not as we've discussed exactly. It looks like the Right Shoulder button lights up when you've traded or collected new data. You can also see in this video a person switching from a game, to the Home menu and back. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/conference2010/3ds/conceptMovHigh.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/conference2010/3ds/conceptMovHigh.html)
Here's a list of what the system comes with, specs included: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/29/3ds_price_date_specs/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/29/3ds_price_date_specs/)
250 is high, but depending on what games are out at launch will determine on if I get it then or later.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on September 29, 2010, 10:46:42 AM
I think $250 is if we are lucky. Man if its bare bones and no pack in that is pretty rough. Anyone else kinda amused Nintendo is making the same mistake Atari, Sega, Nokia, Sony hell everyone else except wonderswan and neogeo made launching a handheld at console price. History has shown us it didn't work and nintendo did well cause it was at a mass market price especially affordable for kids who handhelds are better suited for. Personally I like underdog Nintendo way better than king fo the world Nintendo of the last 3 years. Seriously if anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory it is Nintendo.
Now what will happen? PSP2 at a resaonable price? Or will it be even more outrageous? Knowing Sony they will be idiots and sell it for like $500. But If PSP2 dev isn't that far along maybe they should consider being the budget item.
Also man this makes iphone especially the cheaper ones a way bigger deal. Why would parents buy their kids 3DS for $250-300 plus games (which for all we know are going to be $40-50) when they could get a touch for $100 and give them points cards here and there?
Hate to be a negative nancy but I think Nintendo messed up big time...
but if they bundle OoT 3D with it and charge $300 I'de probably begrudingly buy it.
Edit; Nintendo's stock is plummeting between from this price point and profit forecast cuts. Investors are mad. Sounds like form the various business sources that they were trying to get it done for japan before xmas. Also analyst say that Y25k instead of Y20k is a major factor in why stocks are falling.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 29, 2010, 11:25:25 AM
Hubris is what compelled Nintendo to make the $300 price tag and I hope they get smashed for it. All of my interest was just cut in half because I wanted this device at $200. I mean it is as powerful than the wii and that system is reatiling for $200.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on September 29, 2010, 11:41:23 AM
If the American media reports on the 3DS as they did the iPad, $300 might work for Nintendo, but $250 will make it seem like a bargain. Not only does it play highly detailed games, but in plays them in 3D without glasses (a rather novel concept to most people who have not been following the 3DS's development), and it also has a 3D camera, another novelty that will be big in the future when glasses-free, 3D digital picture frames start arriving using the same tech as the 3DS screen. Though, I wonder if Nintendo should have used higher res for the 3D camera(s).
My biggest fear/anticipation is of the mid-life 3DS redesign. It was so well received and doted on at E3 that Sony has to be thinking of a 3D PSP2, and don't be surprised if next year's ipod/iphone lineup isn't also 3D. In order to compete, I think Nintendo is going to have make serious changes to the 3DS, including higher res cameras, more robust internet features, and maybe even a 4G antenna (AT&T and Verizon are launching their 4G's networks starting small later this year, and fully next year).
What's up with the 3DS dock? Is it inductive charging? Will it operate like the touchstone for the Palm Pre, and change the face and functions of the 3DS when it's on the dock?
Also there are a lot of things going to be bundled in with the 3DS, and I wonder how much NOA is going to push the "augmented reality" cards. Such gimmicks (for lack of a word with less negative connotation) work better in Japan, (as would tag mode since it so much more densely populated and their adults are less embarrassed to be seen playing video games in public) like that card reader attachment for the gba. But I said all that because I was going to say that a "full" game (as opposed to a "3DSware" type of game, or demos) seems unlikely. Demos + built-in fun software (like the Mii stuff, and other 3D camera apps) + AR cards + ability to stream 3D content (hopefully not just from dedicated server, but also like youtube3D and ESPN3D) + 2GB memory card = enough bundled in already, at least imho.
Also, the design is slightly different; the nub is no longer the color of the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 29, 2010, 11:56:20 AM
Why would parents buy their kids 3DS for $250-300 plus games (which for all we know are going to be $40-50) when they could get a touch for $100 and give them points cards here and there?
The cheapest iPod Touch is currently $229. Not $100. Also, I love my iPhone, but it is seriously gimped for gaming. I just bought RE 4 for iPhone and all I can think is how I wish I was playing this with buttons.
iPod doesn't do 3D (yet), and the base model is barely less expensive. iPhone is only affordable with $100 per month contracts. People are buying them anyway. I think the 3DS price point, while I wish it were lower, is the right way to go.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on September 29, 2010, 12:03:33 PM
Also, I can't se how 3D would work if it was added to the iPod or iPhone. I can only see it being useful for watching movies. You can't game in 3D with your fingers all over the screen- the effect would be broken.
And Maryjane, I think adults in the US play games in public more and more, thanks to smartphones. I think that stigma is all but gone.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Nemo on September 29, 2010, 12:08:08 PM
The 3DS would only be $200 if they took the DS and added 3D screens and cameras to it, without improving graphics at all. If Nintendo did that, you'd all be saying "These graphics suck. I wish I could have paid more for better graphics."
I don't think the expensive price point will be a problem. The price will come down eventually. And in the meantime, the original DS is still going strong.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on September 29, 2010, 12:24:23 PM
Also, I can't se how 3D would work if it was added to the iPod or iPhone. I can only see it being useful for watching movies. You can't game in 3D with your fingers all over the screen- the effect would be broken.
And Maryjane, I think adults in the US play games in public more and more, thanks to smartphones. I think that stigma is all but gone.
You perfectly explained how 3D would work on the ipod/iphone: watching movies, and also T.V. Mobile T.V is growing, and glasses free 3D mobile T.V could help it. Also for music, those weird visualizations that go with the music, and they could also include a cheap 3D camera like Nintendo, and all the apps that go along with that.
And maybe it's just where I live, (NJ) but I never see adults playing video games in public, and I take the bus often enough to go to Newark and NYC. I see people with smartphones, but I've seen them more often using them to watch youtube clips than playing mobile games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on September 29, 2010, 12:31:47 PM
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You'll be able to transfer your already purchased download software to 3DS. This includes DSi Ware games from DSi and DSi LL.
I wonder how it does that. It gives me hope that the Wii 2 will have a similar feature.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on September 29, 2010, 12:42:19 PM
And Tanooki, I, just thought: having two screens will give Nintendo a serious advantage in the 3D movie/T.V/picture department as the 3D effect would never have to be broken while you edit, fast forward, rewind or otherwise interact with what's being shown in 3D.
One other thing. The 3DS OS: (http://i54.tinypic.com/5lp2tl.jpg)
The first icon is the game, the question mark is the AR cards, the next seems to be like the WiiChannel mail you get telling you how much time you spent playing, and possibly how many people you meet and exchange info with. On the bottom; wifi, Mii channel, and pedometer. Then next to that it also looks like a music channel. Then there are icons along the top which going from left to right look like: brightness, possibly two choices for menu view, messaging (which I hope can be utilized in wifi), an icon I don't know (maybe something like Facetime, maybe just the camera), the icon the girl presses to view the updates she got in Tag mode, and the browser. There is more space to the right, as indicated by the arrow icon, which will likely be for 3DSware and V.C like on Wii, but I was hoping for something a little more robust, so hopefully there's more to the OS than meets the eye. Which also begs the question: when is the full reveal going to be?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2010, 12:43:57 PM
$250 seems a little steep though I wan't really planning on buying it at launch anyway so it's not a big deal to me personally. I think we're getting what we pay for. The 3D concept is pretty damn cool and then this thing has graphics comparable to the Cube and Wii.
Honestly the 3D looks like a neat gimmick but if it was the sole new feature of this it would be pretty damn weak. As Nemo points out the other option is like the Wii where we pay for an entire new system that has some new features but is otherwise pretty much the same hardware. I know that not everyone feels this way but I feel ripped off by the Wii and I would feel the same way about the 3DS if it was just the same thing... IN 3D. This is the direction I want Nintendo to go with all future systems. I don't want the Wii 2 for example to be just the Wii with some new gimmick feature. I think having a step-up in hardware is a mandatory change.
Plus boosting the hardware seems to get devs more interested than any unique feature does. The Wii has attracted jack **** support with its model while the PS3 and X360 with their more traditional hardware boost have healthy support despite a smaller market share. I don't think devs would be interested in the 3D stuff alone. The DS provided a clear hardware jump from the GBA and a lot of the best games take advantage of just that. There aren't a lot of games that rely entirely on the touchscreen to stand out compared to GBA games. Most of them make use of the better hardware. The 3DS works as a successor even without 3D or the cameras and that's the model to go with. The gimmicks are gimmicks and can't carry the system by itself. And the reality is that better hardware costs more money.
I think the 3DS will do fine if it has good games. The casual audience is a little unknown. They bought the DS and the Wii but they've never been asked to upgrade before. We don't know what it would take to make them go to a newer model. I think something that really shows off the 3D stuff is the best bet but for all we know this might just not work. Casuals and non-gamers might be cool with sticking to the same thing for good and that's that. It was always a risk Nintendo was going to face at some point.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on September 29, 2010, 01:29:27 PM
I was very happy with the Wii price point years ago, but as of today I am not happy with the power of the system. The only games that ever looked good to me were Mario, Red Steel 2, wii sports resort, and i'm not interested games like Gears of War enough to get another system. All the games I have are a blast, I just wish they were prettier. At this point I wish I payed an extra 50-100 back then for some better hardware.
Now with the DS I think Nintendo has dug its way into every corner of the world. The world is absolutley sold on the concept. Same with 3D, it is hotter then it has ever been, and without glasses people are going to eat it up. Though I don't mind the graphical capabilities in hand helds as much since the screen is so small anyway but if this is a hint at the direction for the next home console I am happy. I will gladly pay $350-400 for what ever they dish out, as long as it is built really well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Halbred on September 29, 2010, 01:42:51 PM
$250 + is way too expensive. The 3DS is not a console.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
I would guess the full reveal will be at CES in January.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on September 29, 2010, 01:46:38 PM
I'd like to think the extra cost will help bring a more robust and streamlined online situation from the 3DS. Since the DS has launched it's had some form of web browsing that just become something that's so terrible we act like it doesn't exist. Aside from being able to download whatever kind of games, trade any kind of data, but what I would like to see improved is that damn Opera browser. I'm not even hoping it has Flash, but least make it usable. I feel that the price range isn't that bad if Nintendo pulls the stops and refreshes the effectiveness of the hardware.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on September 29, 2010, 02:00:25 PM
Honestly the 3D looks like a neat gimmick but if it was the sole new feature of this it would be pretty damn weak. As Nemo points out the other option is like the Wii where we pay for an entire new system that has some new features but is otherwise pretty much the same hardware. I know that not everyone feels this way but I feel ripped off by the Wii and I would feel the same way about the 3DS if it was just the same thing... IN 3D. This is the direction I want Nintendo to go with all future systems. I don't want the Wii 2 for example to be just the Wii with some new gimmick feature. I think having a step-up in hardware is a mandatory change.
I think the 3DS will do fine if it has good games. The casual audience is a little unknown. They bought the DS and the Wii but they've never been asked to upgrade before. We don't know what it would take to make them go to a newer model. I think something that really shows off the 3D stuff is the best bet but for all we know this might just not work. Casuals and non-gamers might be cool with sticking to the same thing for good and that's that. It was always a risk Nintendo was going to face at some point.
3D is a graphical upgrade, not just a 'gimmick' and it also has the benefit of adding immersion to gameplay in away that a standard graphical bump would not do. Also, for some games (I'm hoping a lot of games) the 3D effect will also add to the gameplay by revealing an aspect that couldn't be done as well as in 2D, obviously this will be much more apparent in a puzzle game than say MGS.
But you're right about the Wii, my X360 has been getting a lot more playing time recently despite the fact that I love all the games I have for the Wii, it doesn't have the robust game support that the X360 enjoys.
Lastly, casual gamers were asked to upgrade to the DSi and they did so in droves. Why would they hold back on the 3DS when it offers so much more? Personally, I'm hoping there is even more, like email and video calling over wifi, but even as is, it is quite impressive, and well worth a purchase. Also, I think the release date is well placed; after Christmas so the DSi can still make them money, and early enough the next year to be part of people's summer, and build up a head of publicity steam before Christmas 2011.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Killer_Man_Jaro on September 29, 2010, 02:07:49 PM
The first icon is the game, the question mark is the AR cards, the next seems to be like the WiiChannel mail you get telling you how much time you spent playing, and possibly how many people you meet and exchange info with. On the bottom; wifi, Mii channel, and pedometer. Then next to that it also looks like a music channel. Then there are icons along the top which going from left to right look like: brightness, possibly two choices for menu view, messaging (which I hope can be utilized in wifi), an icon I don't know (maybe something like Facetime, maybe just the camera), the icon the girl presses to view the updates she got in Tag mode, and the browser. There is more space to the right, as indicated by the arrow icon, which will likely be for 3DSware and V.C like on Wii, but I was hoping for something a little more robust, so hopefully there's more to the OS than meets the eye. Which also begs the question: when is the full reveal going to be?
That face icon is actually the icon for PictoChat on the DSi menu, so it would make sense to assume that's what this is. You'll also notice, just on the right-hand edge of the screen, what appears to be the Music & Sound application, another returning feature from the DSi.
The Home menu seems to have a nice layout, more akin to how it is on the Wii. I was personally expecting the menu to have some sort of 3D effect going for it, but this looks perfectly functional.
For anyone who has not heard the news, Nintendo has confirmed that some Augmented Reality software will be preloaded onto the system's firmware. Special paper cards will be packed in to allow the camera to create new images on the 3DS screen while playing the AR games. http://3ds.nintendolife.com/news/2010/09/play_with_augmented_reality_with_3ds_pack_in_cards (http://3ds.nintendolife.com/news/2010/09/play_with_augmented_reality_with_3ds_pack_in_cards)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2010, 02:38:31 PM
I think $250 is if we are lucky. Man if its bare bones and no pack in that is pretty rough. Anyone else kinda amused Nintendo is making the same mistake Atari, Sega, Nokia, Sony hell everyone else except wonderswan and neogeo made launching a handheld at console price. History has shown us it didn't work and nintendo did well cause it was at a mass market price especially affordable for kids who handhelds are better suited for. Personally I like underdog Nintendo way better than king fo the world Nintendo of the last 3 years. Seriously if anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory it is Nintendo.
Actually, no. It's pretty much guaranteed to be $250, the US price is always lower than the Japanese price. Also, what mistake do you claim Nintendo is making? All those other systems you named failed because they went up against Nintendo's handheld. The DS is the biggest selling system of all time, so that alone will get a lot of people to buy the 3DS.
Now what will happen? PSP2 at a resaonable price? Or will it be even more outrageous? Knowing Sony they will be idiots and sell it for like $500. But If PSP2 dev isn't that far along maybe they should consider being the budget item.
Also man this makes iphone especially the cheaper ones a way bigger deal. Why would parents buy their kids 3DS for $250-300 plus games (which for all we know are going to be $40-50) when they could get a touch for $100 and give them points cards here and there?
Where are you seeing iPod Touch's for $100? Maybe if you find a first gen one at a pawn shop. The cheapest one out there is the 8GB version of the 2nd gen Touch at $180, the cheapest 3rd gen one is $230. Most iOS games are not that good (visually or power).
Hate to be a negative nancy but I think Nintendo messed up big time...
but if they bundle OoT 3D with it and charge $300 I'de probably begrudingly buy it.
Edit; Nintendo's stock is plummeting between from this price point and profit forecast cuts. Investors are mad. Sounds like form the various business sources that they were trying to get it done for japan before xmas. Also analyst say that Y25k instead of Y20k is a major factor in why stocks are falling.
Not sure what you are talking about. Their stock has been up today. It only dropped after they said holiday sales would be lower than expected (which has NOTHING to do with the 3DS. It was never gonna be out this year, that was just a rumor. Do I wish it was $200? Yes, but Nintendo is doing everything right about it and it looks like the system will be worth $250.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Halbred on September 29, 2010, 02:42:03 PM
If they include a pack-in game and some free 3DSWare stuff like the DSi did, then I can see $250. Otherwise, just the bare-bones system should be $200. If Nintendo wants to capture the market like they did with the DS, they're gonna have to come down in the West.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2010, 03:18:28 PM
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but if they bundle OoT 3D with it and charge $300 I'de probably begrudingly buy it.
Bundle a PORT? If you're going to bundle something (ie: force people to pay for a game they may or may not want) at least make it a new game. Ocarina of Time is one of the most ported games around. I myself own THREE versions of it and I typically never buy multiple versions of a game (of course the extras were promotional freebies on the Cube). I would absolutely hate it if I was forced to pay extra for a game I already have.
I say go for the lower price and not bother with a pack-in unless it's a demo or something. Getting the price down seems like a higher priority.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 03:31:35 PM
Personally I think including the cradle was a great idea. Now it forces you to create space for your 3DS somewhere in your personal space. It adds to the cost, but im really hoping there is more to it than a charging dock.
Like a usb computer connector for synchronization and alarm clock settings and movie dock or something along those lines.
Was there any info on the dock?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: EternalRain on September 29, 2010, 03:58:51 PM
man, i wish i didnt have to pay more den 200$ for a 3ds but seeing its Nintendo ima trust dem on dis one, but also i want those horrible friend codes to dissapear, id be nice if i only had a 1 fc for my ds and all my games . . .
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2010, 04:27:30 PM
I myself own THREE versions of it and I typically never buy multiple versions of a game (of course the extras were promotional freebies on the Cube).
There only exists three versions (the N64 original and as part of the two Zelda promo discs on GCN, maybe four if you count VC). It may not be my favorite Zelda game, but bundling this remake would probably help sell a lot of systems.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on September 29, 2010, 04:39:14 PM
handheld gone perfect, man cant wait for this, and the game lineup is just nasty
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2010, 04:51:51 PM
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There only exists three versions (the N64 original and as part of the two Zelda promo discs on GCN, maybe four if you count VC).
Well why wouldn't I count the VC? There are four different ways to have obtained Ocarina of Time. Soon there will be a fifth. Including an original game pleases the most people so if you go with a pack-in I think that's the way to go. The issue of someone already owning the game and not wanting to buy it again goes completely out the window if you use a new game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on September 29, 2010, 04:59:35 PM
My mistake I meant iphones are $100 if you go low end. Not touches.
Also keep in Mind that when Lynx launched Gameboy wasn't established. Game gear went up against gameboy when Sega was at their peak and gameboy wasn't complete king until Gameboy pocket hit. They failed cause they cost too much inspite of their features.
Nintendo's handhelds have suceeded because they sold to children and casual gamers. That is impossible at a $250-300 point. Hell thats impossible several price cuts later. They are shooting themselves because after the inital rush of tech nerds, nintendo fanboys with good jobs, and some people who are irresponsible with money who is this gonna sell too? I would say 3DS to DS is gonna PS3 to PS2. Love to be wrong.
Also people who are thinking it is gonna be $250. When DS launched at Y15000 and $150 in the US the US price was HIGHER than the Yen. Wii and DSi are higher in japan but this isn't always the norm. Also the yen to dollar is rarely like this. $250 is possible but I think $270-90 is more likely to avoid 300 stigma but still be high enough for them. Given the current trend in world economics in 5 months the Yen will liekly be even better agianst the dollar. It will be increasingly larger than $250.
In detail
Original DS @ launch - Japan: 15000 yen ($146 at release) / North America: $149.99
DS Lite @ launch - Japan 16800 yen ($144 at release) / North America: $129.99
25,000y = Wii launch price At the time, $204. We got 249 with the game.
DSi @ launch - Japan 18900 yen ($171 at release) / North America: $169.99
DSi XL @ launch - Japan: 20000 yen ($224 at release) / North America: $189.99
$50 or more less than japanese value isn't gonna happen.
In regards to their stock plummeting in direct result of the price (granted the no japan until feb seems to have bothered investors more) see http://www.google.com/finance?num=10&hl=en&safe=off&q=ntdoy&wrapid=tlif12857717683462&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=we (http://www.google.com/finance?num=10&hl=en&safe=off&q=ntdoy&wrapid=tlif12857717683462&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=we)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on September 29, 2010, 05:09:51 PM
Oh man....*drools*
I can't wait till the homebrew community figure out how to convert 3D movies onto this thing. BnM, you may have been right about Netflix. If they are trying to have 3D TV channels on the system, then what's stopping a service like Netflix? Seems obvious to me.
The price point is pretty steep, but I'll wait and see what they actually charge before I get upset.
I can't believe how good Resi looks. In 3D, i'm sure it'll be much scarier as well. SF looks great, as does Paper Mario and even Animal Crossing. I wonder what killer app is coming next christmas. Metroid maybe? I'd love to see what Fifa would look like on this thing.
Overall, the system looks good.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 29, 2010, 05:27:15 PM
Isn't the Yen stronger than the dollar right now? $250 is about right. Nintendo would be wise to lower that price as much as possible. I'm still not touching 3DS until it's sub-$200.
I would guess that the cost of components and manufacturing is no where near $300 and Nintendo is going for greater profits margins. They're a business; that's kind of what business do and Nintendo, if I remember correctly, only ever took a slight loss on hardware with Gamecube after cutting the price to $99 (don't ask me to verify that, it's not that important). Nintendo could probably still make a profit, just not as large of one, if they sold at or closer to $200. For comparison's sake, I believe the iPhone 4's components come to roughly $188 and Apple sells it for like $600 (16GB) out of contract. The discrepancy between components vs. MSRP isn't that outrageous so maybe we should count our lucky stars? I still can't justify spending that much on a handheld. Just can't. Cheap gamer is cheap.
Nintendo is in a tough position. Because of shortages, Wii consoles routinely sold for hundreds more online than Nintendo's MSRP. Nintendo saw none of that sweet sweet cash. Think of all the money they could have made if they anticipated the demand. At the same time, 3DS is decidedly less dramatically new or innovative than the Wii or even the DS, more evolutionary than revolutionary. If people aren't willing to pay $300 for it, Nintendo effectively shoots themselves in the foot.
Anyway, I'm still a little miffed at the different sized screens. I still don't see any benefit to that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 29, 2010, 05:27:55 PM
With iPhone you also have a rip-off price to pay every month. Also, where do you see them for $100? The low-end model is the 16GB model and that is $200.
Game Gear failed because it took 6 batteries and last about 4 hours (Game Boy Classic took 4 batteries and lasted about 10 hours, sometimes more). Lynx just had severe lack of games, cost twice as much (Game Boy was $90, Lynx was $180), and not in as many stores.
Minor, but the Wii price at launch was equal to $214. As you mentioned, they also included Wii Sports with it outside of Japan, and the game went for about $60 in Japan.
You don't realize, but you are proving my point. Over time the price difference has gotten bigger. The DSi XL is about $40 cheaper. A $250 pricepoint is the most probably pricepoint and the odds on favorite. I would be willing to bet you on it.
The price drop is almost certain (based on timing) to be based on lower predicted earnings this holiday, not 3DS coming out in February. And you again say the stock plummeted. I disagree. It did drop, but 9% is not what I would consider plummeting.
As for who buys the DS, pretty much everyone buys DS's. Casual gamers, hardcore gamers, kids, adults, men, women. And there are games for all of them. People said the DS wouldn't sell at $150 (their most expensive handheld to date), it did. They said the DSi wouldn't sell at $180, it did. The DSi XL will still sell very well, especially with all of the stuff confirmed to be included with the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 29, 2010, 05:42:22 PM
Nintendo could be setting up a 2-tier system. The DS is still a very viable system for the lower price range. What could happen is that once the DS sales begin to really fall off once the 3DS has settled, Nintendo will reduce the price of the 3DS. Nintendo might not want each system to cannalbalize each other.
I mean with money as tight as it is right now, I might not be able to buy this thing at $300. My ceiling was $200 and now I am going to debate whether I should invest the money or not. I love the DS brand, but I can not help but shake my head no at the the price point of the 3DS.
I wonder if the induction charger and 2 GB SD card have anything to do with the price tag? If so, I have a 8 GB SD card and Nintendo can keep their card so they do not have to charge me for it. As for the induction charger, I wonder if you can just plug a charger cord into the 3DS like the older DS systems? If so, Nintendo can keep the induction charger and reduce the cost.
I have to wonder how much trade in value Gamestop will be offering for the DS systems towards the 3DS. I figure that I might use my DSi as a down payment towards a black 3DS. Before I do this though, I want to see how DSiware titles are transfered over to the 3DS.
Overall, I have no doubts that the 3DS will be a massive seller, but I can not shake this feeling that the $300 price tag will turn a lot of people away from buying this on day one.
As for the wii 2, if they are going to charge $300 for a system of this magnitude, I am almost affraid to ask what the price for the wii 2 will be when it is revealed. $500?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on September 29, 2010, 06:01:58 PM
Really no online play info? Why do I have a feeling no talk of a online overhaul means there will be a very limited one...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: apdude on September 29, 2010, 06:07:34 PM
I think this would be a day one purchase if i didn't already have a DS even at 300, but now I'm going to have to see exactly what I get for the money to buy it. If all the secondary features are functional (media player, camera, etc) and easy enough to use I could see myself picking it up soon after release since I have to travel quite a bit for work and it would be nice to have an "all in one" for entertainment use instead of all the devices and their various chargers everytime.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2010, 06:34:47 PM
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As for the wii 2, if they are going to charge $300 for a system of this magnitude, I am almost affraid to ask what the price for the wii 2 will be when it is revealed. $500?
That's interesting to think about. The PS3 is $300 now and I don't really expect the Wii 2 to dwarf it in specs. For $500 I better not get the same Super Mario Sunshine models from the Gamecube days. Nintendo would have to make some impressive games to get me to pay that much.
When the 3DS was revealed I thought that it would look rather bad that Nintendo's portable appeared to be a more powerful system (or at least equally powerful) than their console. I figured it would "expose" the Wii's shortcomings too much in the eyes of the casual/non-game market that had not being paying attention to the other consoles but would pay attention to the 3DS. This brings up the fact that the Wii may also cost less than its portable cousin. So either the Wii is a really out-of-date dinosaur system that can't hold a candle to a damn portable OR the 3DS is vastly overpriced because it is even more expensive than a damn console. Either way one of the two systems looks bad.
The best solution is probably to just get the Wii 2 out. If the 3DS is $250 and the Wii 2 is $300 and has WAY better graphics then at least we've got a reasonable price difference between the two of them.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 07:03:35 PM
Did anybody watch the new Super Street Fighter IV video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lacWTZQA5wE&fmt=22
Did you notice the other new feature besides the Tag Fighting? No Friend codes, random stranger local connection VS fighting!
It looks like you can just challenge anyone within range that has the game to a fight, even if they were in the middle of a match(trying to beat the game on solo) without so much as having to enter any kind of code.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 29, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
As for the wii 2, if they are going to charge $300 for a system of this magnitude, I am almost affraid to ask what the price for the wii 2 will be when it is revealed. $500?
That's interesting to think about. The PS3 is $300 now and I don't really expect the Wii 2 to dwarf it in specs. For $500 I better not get the same Super Mario Sunshine models from the Gamecube days. Nintendo would have to make some impressive games to get me to pay that much.
When the 3DS was revealed I thought that it would look rather bad that Nintendo's portable appeared to be a more powerful system (or at least equally powerful) than their console. I figured it would "expose" the Wii's shortcomings too much in the eyes of the casual/non-game market that had not being paying attention to the other consoles but would pay attention to the 3DS. This brings up the fact that the Wii may also cost less than its portable cousin. So either the Wii is a really out-of-date dinosaur system that can't hold a candle to a damn portable OR the 3DS is vastly overpriced because it is even more expensive than a damn console. Either way one of the two systems looks bad.
The best solution is probably to just get the Wii 2 out. If the 3DS is $250 and the Wii 2 is $300 and has WAY better graphics then at least we've got a reasonable price difference between the two of them.
I believe that the wii is starting to show its age despite having very pretty first and third party games. If Nintendo can create such a radical leap from the DS with the 3DS, then I think they can pull off a pretty good leap from the wii to the wii 2.
As for the 3DS being over priced, I could agree with that statement one-hundred percent. Nintendo has always been good at bringing good handhelds to the market with a reasonable price tag. Three hundred dollars is just too much for a handheld. Sony found this out the hard way with the PSPGo and Nintendo might learn a lesson from the 3DS.
The roster of launch titles is very impressive, but the only games I am interested in is Kid Icarus and Resident Evil Revelations and what ever third party games that have not been officially revealed such as Ninja Gaiden. I have no taste for ports and the Star Fox game seems like it should be a DS titile.
I have to wonder if the pricing of the system is not so much Nintendo's doing, but a move by their investors. I could easily imagine Iwata going to an investor's meeting and being told that they could have made more money on the DS and wii and thus will have to charge more their successors when in fact the sales prices on those successors can be more flexible if they wanted it to be that way.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 08:36:59 PM
I really wish everyone would stop trippig on the price as if a 25000Yen price tag will directly translate to $300 in US stores.
We aren't sure what the price will be, but I'm hoping it translates to something inbetween $229 & $249. But either way, unless you are buying a Japanese unit, don't stress the price just yet. It could be a situation like the N64 where is was supposed to launch for $250 and last minute it was $200 @ launch. Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 29, 2010, 08:41:56 PM
I really wish everyone would stop trippig on the price as if a 25000Yen price tag will directly translate to $300 in US stores.
We aren't sure what the price will be, but I'm hoping it translates to something inbetween $229 & $249. But either way, unless you are buying a Japanese unit, don't stress the price just yet. It could be a situation like the N64 where is was supposed to launch for $250 and last minute it was $200 @ launch. Let's wait and see.
Does currency fluctuation have anything to do with this? If so, how does it work?
I just said that I find ports distasteful, but another way that 3DS will burry the PSP is if it can capture all of its major third party games. Of course the 3DS has its own repitore of third party games, but I would like to see Peace Walker, Birth by Sleep, Monster Hunter Portable 3rd and what ever Square Enix games that in the pipe to be ported the 3DS. If this were to happen then we may be attending the funeral of the PSP.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on September 29, 2010, 08:49:30 PM
Talking it over with a friend of mine...
He suggested that Nintendo may wait to see how pre-orders/sales in Japan go before announcing pricing in the US.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on September 29, 2010, 09:07:15 PM
I just said that I find ports distasteful, but another way that 3DS will burry the PSP is if it can capture all of its major third party games. Of course the 3DS has its own repitore of third party games, but I would like to see Peace Walker, Birth by Sleep, Monster Hunter Portable 3rd and what ever Square Enix games that in the pipe to be ported the 3DS. If this were to happen then we may be attending the funeral of the PSP.
The PSP died years ago. Japan's just been living in a state of denial, continually trotting around the corpse and pretending the occasional twitch means it's still alive.
As for ports, if Valkyria Chronicles made the jump to 3DS I would consider it distasteful (that series belongs in the console world where it began) but I might actually buy it then. I'll take nearly anything over a series being relegated to the PSP or Apple devices.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 29, 2010, 09:16:18 PM
I just typed out a well thought out post in response to Kytim and hit send..... now it disappeared. no where to be found.
But I'm hoping that Nintendo is taking the sticker price shock approach where they announce a high price to encourage the last of the late adopters to go ahead and buy the DS this Xmas, give the early adopters time to come to terms with the high price and wait for the casuals/fence sitters to draw their line in the sand ($250 or forget about it!!> :( ). Right after XMas is over, the DS line gets another price drop and the 3DS follows suit right down to $250 (the line in the sand). Lots of the casual/fence sitters will draw a new line in the sand ($200 or less!! :@ ) but a large portion will take the bait and bite the bullet. the rest will follow suit as they realize that it's not only popular but the only way to watch all this 3D content without an expensive TV that needs expensive glasses and be able to take it with you where ever you go.
But what UB said is more likely whats gonna happen.
fake edit: To summarize my response to Kytim
Fluctuations have some to do with it but so does not pricing yourself out of the market. The 3DS is gonna have to hit the ground running in the US and inviting price point comparisons is not the best way to do that when you are putting yourself into the $300 iPhone comparison chart.
real edit: putting this here for safe keeping: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/100929e.pdf (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/100929e.pdf)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on September 29, 2010, 11:05:45 PM
As an owner of a Lynx who loved it I'll tell you why it failed. BATTERIES!
You could fill that thing with plutonium based batteries and it wouldn't last more than an hour and a half.
The only reason I really liked it was because my family went on a lot of road trips at the time and I would just plug it in with the car adapter the whole trip. If there was no plug nearby or you had to move the thing was worthless.
I want to play some APB right now but I didn't take the huge thing (barely fits into cargo pants) to China :(
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on September 30, 2010, 09:24:50 AM
Sooo they admitted the $300 isn't cause it costs near that much to make.
Its gonna be fun if Nintendo doesn't announce 3DS details in America until next year. Lots of fun.
If they do do a pack - in what do you think it will be? I'm leaning either pilot wings cause it shows off the Mii features or steel Diver cause it will flop at retail (yes I know it looks cool but there are probably five us that think that)
This feature actually really appeals to me
"Second—and perhaps less exciting—is the Nintendo 3DS's Activity Log, which acts as a pedometer that tracks your walking while carrying the handheld (and while wearing cool pants). The Activity Log also charts how much time you play the 3DS and how long you play games on the device."
It drives me nuts when games don't keep time in their save log.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 30, 2010, 09:52:22 AM
Geez, you mean they actually want to make a profit? It's based on the simplest aspect of economics: supply and demand. One factor companies use to determine price for products are demand. The iPhone 4 costs about $188 to make, but the unsubsidized version (meaning you paying the full cost rather than AT&T paying most of it in return for you signing a 2-year contract) costs $499. They are able to get away with it because of its popularity. They are making profits of 165% on every iPhone they sell (whether the money comes from the consumer or AT&T), even more on the bigger iPhone.
They are not pulling a Sony, Sony screwed customers on price and still losing money (charging $600 and somehow still losing money). $250 will not be that bad
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on September 30, 2010, 10:09:58 AM
They are not pulling a Sony, Sony screwed customers on price and still losing money (charging $600 and somehow still losing money). $250 will not be that bad
I don't see where Sony's initial PS3 price is an apt comparison. They probably couldn't have charged less than $599 at launch, as they were losing a lot of money even at that price. The price has only gone down over the years because the cost of the components has decreased. Now, the PSP GO, on the other hand, is a different matter entirely.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 30, 2010, 10:13:47 AM
Maybe that is what Kisaki meant, I forgot about the PSP Go (like many people). Still, we don't know how much the 3DS will cost Nintendo to make and they have good reason to expect to sell a lot at that price (unlike the PSP Go, the PSP was not that strong of a seller anyways but they expected to somehow do well with a price increase).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on September 30, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
Yeah I meant PSP GO.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on September 30, 2010, 01:06:46 PM
If Sony managed to sell a few PSPGo's at $300 the 3DS which seems worth the price could do well at that point, and at $250 seems like a bargain.
The American media does seem poised to take a hard look at the 3DS, as they are already reporting the release "date" on CNN, so that will help the hype, and the "cool factor" will help sell it as well. 3D is the next big thing, and Nintendo jumped on the wagon at nearly the perfect time. Getting it out before Christmas in all regions would have been the perfect time.
I still say the AR cards are your bundled in game. In fact they're pretty much six bundled in games, and they're also a good way for Nintendo to get back in the card business ;) .
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 30, 2010, 01:10:41 PM
The PSP Go was $250, not $300. The PSP Go bombed everywhere and could not be called a success in any possibly way. Of coarse a big part of why it bombed was that everything it did could also be done on the regular PSP, and for a cheaper price.
I am glad it is getting a lot of hype, I am sure it will get more when the US date and price are announced.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 30, 2010, 01:51:30 PM
so whats this I hear about NWR reporting that 3DS has a multi-touch screen?
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/24173
I'd check the link, but the main site doesn't seem to be working right now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on September 30, 2010, 02:02:33 PM
Are you talking about this http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32480.0 ?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on September 30, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
I'd check the link, but the main site doesn't seem to be working right now.
I read the link last night and even though it says you have to use to stylus to control the game the report mentions nothing about multi-touch. That would be nice though. Real nice.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 30, 2010, 02:22:45 PM
Why would you need to use two Stylii if multi-touch wasn't supported though?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 30, 2010, 02:25:34 PM
Are you talking about this http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32480.0 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32480.0) ?
the front page is working again, so now I know what was being linked to. That is the news story that was being linked to. Looks like your multi-touch question hasn't been answered yet though. That would be one stealthy way of leaking a feature that hasn't been announced yet.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on September 30, 2010, 04:44:05 PM
Speaking of AR did anybody get the DSi only retail game that was an AR game? I wonder if it was good. I've been looking at Eyepet and been tempted to get the Move bundle. AR seems really cool. Can you imagine an AR pokemon pet game?
I've been mulling over the price and $250 w/pack I'll be there day 1. Anything more and I just think I can personally justify it.
Pachter thinks games will go from $30 to $35. DS first party is foten $35. Do you think it will follow PSP pricing and hit $40 for most titles. Honestly its a pain and I lvoe when my PSP games are $30. But given how big the dev costs are now and the amount of content in stuff $40 is justified. Unlike the system price :P
Guys if they don't say anything until CES imagine the next 3 months....
This is the Ar DSi only game http://www.amazon.com/System-Flaw-DSi-Only-Nintendo/dp/B002QHXK2A/ref=sr_1_2?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285879770&sr=8-2
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2010, 05:49:03 PM
That $300 pricetag might actually work in Nintendo's favor. They can afford to drop the price whenever they so choose, even at the dismay of early adopters. If Sony launches PSP2 next winter for $300, Nintendo could effectively drop the price and undercut Sony while making 3DS look like a deal when really it's not.
I'm weary of buying any Nintendo handheld at or around the launch. I'm perfectly content waiting for the library of games to build up and for the inevitable redesign. As much as I want Resident Evil Jill Revelations (and sadly, Resident Evil: This-Used-To-Be-A-Free-Bonus-Mode-But-Now-We're-Charging-For-It Mercenaries too), I can wait.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 30, 2010, 07:24:18 PM
It appears that Square Enix is intereste in bringing Before Crisis Final Fantasy 7 to the 3DS. Could this mean that we will eventually get Final Fantasy 7 and the other compilation titles?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on September 30, 2010, 08:06:28 PM
It appears that Square Enix is intereste in bringing Before Crisis Final Fantasy 7 to the 3DS. Could this mean that we will eventually get Final Fantasy 7 and the other compilation titles?
I hope not. Few things in the world would give me more joy than to see Final Fantasy 7 (as a branch of the franchise) die and fade from the annals of history. For all its many flaws, I enjoyed that game (and still enjoy it) back when when I played it on my PC/PS3, but I am just...so...frickin'....SICK of that game's whiny fanbase who just won't let that game retire and be thought of as a beloved classic. Every time a new Final Fantasy comes out, that entire fanbase starts whining and throwing a fit over the fact that it's NOT a remake of Final Fantasy 7, and it just drives me nuts.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 30, 2010, 08:13:08 PM
The game has not aged well anyways. Most people who fondly remember it are remembering what they thought at the time. The actual graphics are pretty ugly by current standards, and gameplay either.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 30, 2010, 08:18:37 PM
Just give me Crisis Core and Final Fantasy 7-9 remakes for the 3DS and I will be happy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on September 30, 2010, 08:28:47 PM
Just give me Crisis Core and Final Fantasy 7-9 remakes for the 3DS and I will be happy.
Why? None of those 3 games are altogether remarkable (and 8 is one of the worst in the series, IMO), not even 9 (which, before I start getting protests, was enjoyable but also somewhat bland IMO). I have heard good things about Crisis Core, though, and wouldn't be surprised to see it make the jump to 3DS.
If you really want a Final Fantasy for 3DS, look forward to the almost inevitable 3D remake of FF VI or (heaven forbid) a new entry in the franchise specifically made for the 3DS. It's Square-Enix...you won't be waiting long.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Anyway... the same could be said of everyone's beloved Ocarina of Time. 3DS remake? Check. Does Nintendo really need to pander to Ocarina of Time fans? Not really. A brand new Zelda title sans touchscreen controls basically gives you Ocarina of Time with new dungeons, puzzles etc. I mean, if they're going to redesign the entire Water Temple, why not just do one better and make a whole new game? Oh wait, $.
I'm not defending FFVII. In fact, I kind of agree. It was great back then though if they remake any FF, I'd love for it to be VI, but FFVII will never die. It's fanbase is too rabid and Square Enix is smart enough to know they can exploit it and continue to rofl-stomp its legacy by going back to the well for an easy buck. "Dirge of Cerberus is terrible.... but it's Vincent... can't stop playing... sh*tty game... must felate FFVII's proverbial peen..."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 30, 2010, 08:38:05 PM
Just give me Crisis Core and Final Fantasy 7-9 remakes for the 3DS and I will be happy.
Why? None of those 3 games are altogether remarkable (and 8 is one of the worst in the series, IMO), not even 9 (which, before I start getting protests, was enjoyable but also somewhat bland IMO). I have heard good things about Crisis Core, though, and wouldn't be surprised to see it make the jump to 3DS.
If you really want a Final Fantasy for 3DS, look forward to the almost inevitable 3D remake of FF VI or (heaven forbid) a new entry in the franchise specifically made for the 3DS. It's Square-Enix...you won't be waiting long.
We are going to get FF 5 and 6 3DS and they wont stop with those two either. We are going to get 7, 8 and 9 and eventually 10 and 12. It is inevitable since this is Square Enix we are talking about here.
I also forsee a port over of Dragon Quest 7 and 8 since part 9 was so successful.
I do not want final fantasy 7 remade like a PSP game, but more in the style of OoT or Star Fox 64. Basically jsut go back and add polish and fix the blocky polygons. That is all I want from the game.
I am sorry to bring this tired subject up again, but I have the stern belief that Final Fantasy 15 will be a 3DS exclusive considering how handhelds are begining to dominate the industry in Japan.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2010, 08:43:40 PM
Most likely V and VI. I doubt Square Enix would "waste" a remake of VII on a handheld. They'd go all out HD crazy on that one.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 30, 2010, 08:51:39 PM
Most likely V and VI. I doubt Square Enix would "waste" a remake of VII on a handheld. They'd go all out HD crazy on that one.
Why not both?
Also, could the 3DS be so successful and attractive to third party developers that developers who have traditionally stayed away from Nintendo systems could develop for the 3DS? Could Epic Games make a 3DS title? How about Bethesda or Bioware?
Many people will thank that I have lost my mind, but I would like to see a portable Halo for the 3DS. Yes, this is a Microsoft title, but if 3G were to be emplemented into the 3DS then a Halo Reach would be perfect on the go. Imagine designing maps in 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on September 30, 2010, 08:51:47 PM
Most likely V and VI. I doubt Square Enix would "waste" a remake of VII on a handheld. They'd go all out HD crazy on that one.
I dunno about that. In the time it took Square to create and release Final Fantasy XIII, the Japanese gaming market shifted seemingly entirely towards handheld gaming. Besides, this new generation of handhelds is looking pretty powerful. I'm not so sure anymore that Square would want to sink the massive budget required into a total overhaul of FF VII for the 360/PS3 when they can sink a modest budget into a 3DS/PSP2 game that FF 7's nutty fanbase will buy anyway. That's the problem with Final Fantasy 7: no matter how bad the product, its fanbase buys it (Dirge of Cerberus comes to mind). Square threw away all pretense of having artistic integrity when they did that Compilation of FF7 a while back, so I don't see them not following the money now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2010, 09:47:26 PM
I dunno about that. In the time it took Square to create and release Final Fantasy XIII, the Japanese gaming market shifted seemingly entirely towards handheld gaming. Besides, this new generation of handhelds is looking pretty powerful. I'm not so sure anymore that Square would want to sink the massive budget required into a total overhaul of FF VII for the 360/PS3 when they can sink a modest budget into a 3DS/PSP2 game that FF 7's nutty fanbase will buy anyway.
Square Enix should be and probably is more concerned about the global market. A console release would probably make them more money and its audience easier to market to as it draws an older crowd despite how hard Nintendo is trying to make 3DS appealing to that demographic. And considering how powerful 3DS is, I doubt the budget for a remake of this magnitude would be considered "modest." Admittedly, it'd probably cost less on 3DS, but if they really wanted to cut down on costs, they could have remade the game for Wii. It has the largest install base. A lot of people who want a remake probably already have the console even if it's sitting in a closet, collecting dust.
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That's the problem with Final Fantasy 7: no matter how bad the product, its fanbase buys it (Dirge of Cerberus comes to mind). Square threw away all pretense of having artistic integrity when they did that Compilation of FF7 a while back, so I don't see them not following the money now.
I'm not defending FFVII. In fact, I kind of agree. It was great back then though if they remake any FF, I'd love for it to be VI, but FFVII will never die. Its fanbase is too rabid and Square Enix is smart enough to know they can exploit it and continue to rofl-stomp its legacy by going back to the well for an easy buck. "Dirge of Cerberus is terrible.... but it's Vincent... can't stop playing... sh*tty game... must felate FFVII's proverbial peen..."
Oh, I know...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on September 30, 2010, 10:15:56 PM
Didn't someone from Squenix say to remake FF7 on an HD console would take about 10 years to develop?
Then again, it's probably in the can right now and sitting behind one of those "In case of bankruptcy, break glass" walls.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2010, 05:05:44 AM
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/10/01/3ds_firmware_updates/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/10/01/3ds_firmware_updates/) Nintendo Looking To Fight 3DS Piracy Through Firmware Updates System could see automatic updates through SpotPass. 3DS software to include firmware updates.
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Nintendo is looking into implementing an automated firmware update system for 3DS, CEO Satoru Iwata said during an investors briefing on Wednesday.
During a Q&A session at the briefing, an attendee asked if Nintendo would be implementing anti-piracy measures via the internet. Replied Iwata, "As part of the functionality of SpotPass, we're looking into having automatic system updates via the internet."[
Iwata insisted that for both types of firmware updates, piracy prevention is secondary to offering new functionality to owners.
Daisy chained FW updates..... that's one way to squash those custom FW.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 01, 2010, 08:28:44 AM
Nintendo is looking into implementing an automated firmware update system for 3DS, CEO Satoru Iwata said during an investors briefing on Wednesday.
During a Q&A session at the briefing, an attendee asked if Nintendo would be implementing anti-piracy measures via the internet. Replied Iwata, "As part of the functionality of SpotPass, we're looking into having automatic system updates via the internet."[
Iwata insisted that for both types of firmware updates, piracy prevention is secondary to offering new functionality to owners.
Yeah right. I'll believe that when I see it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 01, 2010, 11:17:47 AM
So if the PSPGo was $250 and Sony says they sold what they expected (Like Nintendo said for GBA Micro) $300 for the first ever 3D portable system makes sense, and its much more likely to be $250 but $300 wouldnt be ridiculous. Also, it is very, VERY, unlikely the 3DS will have 3G. For one thing, it isnt as necessary in the density of Japan's soon to be nationwide wifi, and it would also require Nintendo to partner with an American company, which given their choice of GPU, seems farfetched. Also, major American cities are stepping up their wifi plans in 2011-2012 right in the 3DS's infancy, and in most cities its going to start at public transportaion hubs, and in some places, on the buses and trains themselves. (On a side note I'm hoping that this transforms into a lot of (eventually cheap) wifi only devices so we dont have to be chained to cell phone contracts.) With so many people (especially suburbanites) having home wifi, and with wifi in places of public transportation, thats plenty of internet exposure for the 3DS to get updates/play online that 3G would not only be redundant but an unecessary cost.
And if Nintendo wants to implement anti-piracy through firmware updates I'm on board, and hopefully other companies will take the same approach instead of saddling us with new forms of DRM. I want to watch 3D movies and T.V on the 3DS, and Nintendo having strong (perhaps monthly) anti-piracy measures will encourage more distributors to get on board.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 01, 2010, 11:37:46 AM
I also wanted to say that multi-touch seems like a no brainer, and the 3DS might be the best new platform to launch a 'pure' FFVII remake because it would add a new feature Squenix could tout as the reason to buy this version rather than download the ROM. I dont think waggle (not to be derogatory towards the Wiimote) would go over as well, and the 3DS also offers significant graphical improvement which considering the original FFVII could be done on any system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on October 01, 2010, 12:45:32 PM
All this talk about remakes as well as the amount of them already announced thus far really makes me fear for the 3DS lineup. The GBA had too many damn ports. Any SNES game anyone slightly heard of got ported to it. You know why we didn't get a new 2D Mario until the DS? Because Nintendo knew they could get away with selling the old ones on the GBA. There was no incentive to try. Look back at the 2002 GBA lineup and Metroid Fusion is literally the ONLY original first party title for the ENTIRE YEAR. It was unbearable.
The DS wasn't so bad about that and I think it was partially because Super Mario 64 DS had control problems. Porting N64 games wasn't going to be so smooth so they didn't try it as much. But the 3DS has the analog stick and it has this 3D feature to justify remaking every game under the sun. We're just going to get swamped with ports. So stop raving about how you want to repurchase this game or that game that you already own because you're just going to encourage it. **** a Final Fantasy remake of ANY TYPE. Give me a NEW GAME!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2010, 12:54:30 PM
Nintendo is looking into implementing an automated firmware update system for 3DS, CEO Satoru Iwata said during an investors briefing on Wednesday.
During a Q&A session at the briefing, an attendee asked if Nintendo would be implementing anti-piracy measures via the internet. Replied Iwata, "As part of the functionality of SpotPass, we're looking into having automatic system updates via the internet."[
Iwata insisted that for both types of firmware updates, piracy prevention is secondary to offering new functionality to owners.
Yeah right. I'll believe that when I see it.
I believe it's the other way around. StreetPass was conceived to pass the latest firmware update to surrounding 3DS' like the flu. Now the additional features like Trophy Fight in SSFIV3D is designed to hopefully prevent you from ever turning th feature off so that you don't block these invisible background FW updates that are accessed automatically when you pass into any Wifi hotspot or connect to any 3DS that has already downloaded it(daisy chained FW updating).
Some people might find a way to hack the 3DS, but if they ever play a multi-player game, or pass an open wifi connection with their streetpass enabled, they could et their FW updated and not even realize it. Nintendo could also write these FW updates into the actual game software code so that to even play the games, a silent background FW check/update happened automatically without your knowledge. And I'm talking about embedding the code into the actual game code so that even if you somehow pirated it, you would have to dissect actual game code to not get a FW check/update.
And if Nintendo wants to implement anti-piracy through firmware updates I'm on board, and hopefully other companies will take the same approach instead of saddling us with new forms of DRM. I want to watch 3D movies and T.V on the 3DS, and Nintendo having strong (perhaps monthly) anti-piracy measures will encourage more distributors to get on board.
I'm all for it too. Just quadruple check these updates before sending them out like a virus upon the population and don't brick any systems that haven't violated any laws or been hacked.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2010, 04:23:49 PM
We got some game announcements and release "dates" for 3DS games people
Nintendogs + Cats (Nintendo) Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) Steel Diver (Nintendo) Zelda Ocarina of Time (Nintendo) Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition (Capcom) Pro Baseball Spirits (Konami) Ridge Racer 3D (Namco Bandai) Samurai Warriors Chronicle (Tecmo Koei) Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask (Level-5) Shanghai 3D Cube (Sunsoft) Runabout for Nintendo 3DS (Rocket Company) Cubic Ninja (AQ Interactive) Fish On (ASCII Media Works) SUMMER 2011
Earthpedia (Gakken) TBA 2011
Kid Icarus (Nintendo) Medalot for Nintendo 3DS (Rocket Company) TBA
Star Fox 64 3D (Nintendo) Animal Crossing (Nintendo) Paper Mario (Nintendo) Mario Kart (Nintendo) Chocobo Racing 3D (Square Enix) Resident Evil Revelations (Capcom) Resident Evil The Mercenaries 3D (Capcom) Dead or Alive Dimensions (Tecmo Koei) 3D Beauty Clock (Beauty Clock -- not officially announced)
From AQ Interactive, this action puzzle game gives you control of a cube-shaped ninja and has you attempt to escape a mansion. You'll need to deal with the various traps that fill the mansion, including breaking blocks and giant steel balls. You control the action by tilting the 3DS system.
The game also includes a mansion editor. You can create your own trap filled mansions and exchange them with other players.
A release is set for Spring.
Shanghai 3D Cube
This 3D puzzler from Sunsoft follows the basics of Shanghai, only you can view the puzzle in 3D. In addition to pyramids of mahjong pieces, the game also includes cube layouts. You'll be able to play in multiplayer as well. A release is set for Spring.
Earthpedia
And just like that, the 3DS has its first edutainment game courtesy of Gakken. Earthpedia is themed around the Earth, outer space and the world (it took me a while to accept it, but yes this is totally different from the "Earth" theme). The title promises to make use of the 3DS's 3D support, high resolution and accelerometer. A release is set for Summer 2011.
Fish On
ASCII Media Works is readying the 3DS's first fishing game. This true fishing game promises beautiful water visuals. You'll be able to move between points on the water in your boat, or you can choose to fish from various points around your lodge. A release is set for Spring.
Runabout for Nintendo 3DS
Climax delivers a new entry in its driving action series in this collaboration with Rocket Company. The concept of destruction as you race through the city to clear missions is unchanged for the 3DS version. A release is set for Spring. This game was announced at E3 as "Crash-City GP.
Medalot for Nintendo 3DS
The Medalot series comes to 3DS in 2011 courtesy of Rocket Company. The 3DS version promises the same customization, growth, collection and trading aspects of past entries. This game was announced at E3 as VS-robo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 01, 2010, 06:19:24 PM
I believe it's the other way around. StreetPass was conceived to pass the latest firmware update to surrounding 3DS' like the flu. Now the additional features like Trophy Fight in SSFIV3D is designed to hopefully prevent you from ever turning th feature off so that you don't block these invisible background FW updates that are accessed automatically when you pass into any Wifi hotspot or connect to any 3DS that has already downloaded it(daisy chained FW updating).
Some people might find a way to hack the 3DS, but if they ever play a multi-player game, or pass an open wifi connection with their streetpass enabled, they could et their FW updated and not even realize it. Nintendo could also write these FW updates into the actual game software code so that to even play the games, a silent background FW check/update happened automatically without your knowledge. And I'm talking about embedding the code into the actual game code so that even if you somehow pirated it, you would have to dissect actual game code to not get a FW check/update.
I'm all for it too. Just quadruple check these updates before sending them out like a virus upon the population and don't brick any systems that haven't violated any laws or been hacked.
I think you missed my point. I've got no qualms about the streetpass business. What I am EXTRMEMELY skeptical about is Iwata's claim that piracy busting will run 2nd fiddle to adding new features. They haven't inspired my confidence with the Wii. What was the last patch on the Wii that gave us genuinely new features?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 01, 2010, 06:26:59 PM
You have every reason to be skeptical. I'm a huge skeptic myself, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here. 3DS is a complete change in tune for Nintendo.
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"The biggest reason why we developed the portable [with high specs] is because," Nintendo president Satoru Iwata told investors earlier this week, "we didn't want developers to think that they couldn't develop their titles for Nintendo game machines due to the specs."
Source: Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/5652877/why-nintendo-made-the-3ds-so-powerful) Wait, what? Isn't this the same company that kept regurgitating that total bullsh*t "specs don't matter" line? Oh, they matter... when the people making the games are bitching about your hardware. And it only took Nintendo 4 years to figure out what everyone else in the world already knew. Perhaps they're turning over a new leaf.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on October 01, 2010, 06:29:46 PM
How much are games going to cost though? I'm hoping for the usual DS price.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2010, 08:21:06 PM
I think you missed my point. I've got no qualms about the streetpass business. What I am EXTRMEMELY skeptical about is Iwata's claim that piracy busting will run 2nd fiddle to adding new features. They haven't inspired my confidence with the Wii. What was the last patch on the Wii that gave us genuinely new features?
nope. I got your point. I agreed with you in that I don't see new features taking a backseat to piracy blockting firmware patches. I just elaborated on why I think piracy is that main reason for this always on data push connection. New features and tacking on pointless side games (trophy fight... LOL?) are all just reasons to get you to NOT turn the service off so that they can data push to you all these anti-piracy checks.
How much are games going to cost though? I'm hoping for the usual DS price.
Pachter says $34.99....
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 01, 2010, 08:30:24 PM
@Ian: They make ports because they sell, and they sell because people like them. If there was an OoT or Star Fox64 for the DS/DSi your argument would have more validity but there are no partable versions of those games, and they're not giving us ports that were ported to the DS/DSi. And if you look at the list of games BnM posted you cannot say its all ports. As for 1st party games, that has been one of the industry's biggest complaints with Nintendo; that their users only buy Nintendo games. By throwing out ports Nintendo can make money, showcase the system's capabilities, and give 3rd party games a chance to sell at launch when people may only buy one or two games, especially with potential launch price. You can tell from the quote adrock posted and the fact that Nintendo took advice from outsiders on the 3DS's development, that Nintendo wants to make this a true Developers System (DS).
Games are probably going to be from $40-$50. Maybe something like Earthpedia or the inevitable sudoku games might be $29.99. Also, Nintendo probably learned rather quickly that they made a mistake in underpowering the Wii so significantly when developers started churning out games from their lesser studios, even multiplatform games, but what were they to do about it? Supply a whole bunch of 1st party games/casual games and encourage creative developers to keep making Wii games despite less than stellar sales. Upgrading the Wii's graphics any earlier than 4-5 years would be too expensive for their investors.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2010, 08:39:02 PM
Muramasa: The Demon Blade headed to 3DS!? http://www.siliconera.com/2010/10/01/marvelous-would-like-to-bring-muramasa-the-demon-blade-to-nintendo-3ds/
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During the interview, we asked Group Manager of Marvelous Entertainment Inc., Tomio Kanazawa, what he thought of a Nintendo 3DS re-release of Muramasa: The Demon Blade, pointing out that the game could benefit from the system’s stereoscopic 3D effect.
“That’s a pretty good idea! That is one of the many things we think our fans want, and we want to provide to them,” he replied. “We at Marvelous Entertainment want to continue to meet and exceed the expectations from our fans as we continue to bring them new experiences.”
I didn't get it the 1st time around, but imagining it in 3D with the different layers makes me think that's how the game was meant to be presented in the first place. I would buy this for the 3DS, no doubt.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on October 01, 2010, 10:13:38 PM
Why didn't Nintendo include the slid pad for the original DS?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 01, 2010, 10:34:19 PM
because they hadn't invented it yet....?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on October 01, 2010, 10:48:12 PM
Muramasa: The Demon Blade headed to 3DS!? http://www.siliconera.com/2010/10/01/marvelous-would-like-to-bring-muramasa-the-demon-blade-to-nintendo-3ds/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/10/01/marvelous-would-like-to-bring-muramasa-the-demon-blade-to-nintendo-3ds/)
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During the interview, we asked Group Manager of Marvelous Entertainment Inc., Tomio Kanazawa, what he thought of a Nintendo 3DS re-release of Muramasa: The Demon Blade, pointing out that the game could benefit from the system’s stereoscopic 3D effect.
“That’s a pretty good idea! That is one of the many things we think our fans want, and we want to provide to them,” he replied. “We at Marvelous Entertainment want to continue to meet and exceed the expectations from our fans as we continue to bring them new experiences.”
I didn't get it the 1st time around, but imagining it in 3D with the different layers makes me think that's how the game was meant to be presented in the first place. I would buy this for the 3DS, no doubt.
Dude, you made the right decision ignoring it the first time around, a smarter decision than I made. A fancy 3D perspective won't fix Muramasa's two big problems: tedium and monotony.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on October 01, 2010, 11:37:21 PM
This cradle that the 3DS is supposed to sit into, what exactly is it? What worries me is that I like to put skins and a plastic shield on all of my DS systems and my soon to be 3DS and it wont fit into the cradle if I do so. The plastic shield helps reinforce the hinges and protect the system from damage and skins are mainly there for my own personalization.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on October 01, 2010, 11:50:56 PM
I think you missed my point. I've got no qualms about the streetpass business. What I am EXTRMEMELY skeptical about is Iwata's claim that piracy busting will run 2nd fiddle to adding new features. They haven't inspired my confidence with the Wii. What was the last patch on the Wii that gave us genuinely new features?
nope. I got your point. I agreed with you in that I don't see new features taking a backseat to piracy blockting firmware patches. I just elaborated on why I think piracy is that main reason for this always on data push connection. New features and tacking on pointless side games (trophy fight... LOL?) are all just reasons to get you to NOT turn the service off so that they can data push to you all these anti-piracy checks.
Source: Kotaku Wait, what? Isn't this the same company that kept regurgitating that total bullsh*t "specs don't matter" line? Oh, they matter... when the people making the games are bitching about your hardware. And it only took Nintendo 4 years to figure out what everyone else in the world already knew. Perhaps they're turning over a new leaf.
Oh don't get me wrong, it sounds awesome, but do they really believe that or is it just PR, telling us what we want to hear. If this is just PR then they will just do again what they have done with the Wii. Is the 3DS really powerful for this day and age or is it just another typical upgrade? As much as I would love to believe what they are saying, I will wait and see if they truly do pull their heads out of their backsides and pay attention.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 02, 2010, 09:49:50 AM
Nintendo said the 3DS comes with a AC adapter.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 02, 2010, 11:20:44 AM
Hey BnM could you start a '3DS Games' thread with confirmed games, potential launch games etc.? That way this thread can be specifically about the sytem, and games can more thoroughly fleshed out as we discover them?
The level of 3rd party support Nintendo is receiving suggests that they (as they claimed) took a lot of advice from those 3rd parties and are being rewarded for their openness and compliance with game support not even the DS/DSi received. Nintendo has two pieces of the puzzle right now: its own dedicated fan base, and the casuals who might just as easily consider the iphone their primary gaming station, all they are missing is the 'hardcore' gamers who could be attracted with games like MGS and RE (and maybe even Kid Icarus once gameplay is shown in commercials). Let's be honest, if the 3DS was the DS3, had the same or slightly better graphical upgrade, but didnt do glasses-free 3D and maybe the 'slide pad' was a user-configurable touch panel with haptic feedback we would all still be similarly excited (or skeptical) about the system. I didnt even know glasses-free 3D was possible in 2010(11) until hearing about the 3DS so I would not have been disappointed about them not including it. The 3D effect is a cool feature, but for Nintendo the most important aspect is the developer support that attracts a new audience. I'm still skeptical about how much the 3D effect will add to gameplay (if it can be turned off, can it also be crucial to game?) but it will be nice eye candy and make it more immersive, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 02, 2010, 01:17:02 PM
Oh and I had a link with a long list of 3DS games, but now I can't remember what I did with it.... I had planned to make a thread with a 3DS games list yesterday, but got distracted and never got around to it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 02, 2010, 06:08:39 PM
Oh don't get me wrong, it sounds awesome, but do they really believe that or is it just PR, telling us what we want to hear. If this is just PR then they will just do again what they have done with the Wii. Is the 3DS really powerful for this day and age or is it just another typical upgrade? As much as I would love to believe what they are saying, I will wait and see if they truly do pull their heads out of their backsides and pay attention.
Are you kidding? Look at the games. They're gorgeous and, more importantly, Nintendo is getting major releases from 3rd parties. They must be doing something right.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on October 05, 2010, 10:59:01 AM
Good news. They are hinting at the game prices staying close to DS levels. I'm guessing maybe $35-40 instead of the current $30-35 structure. Not bad. I buy PSP games at $40.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 05, 2010, 11:42:39 AM
I just posted about the game prices in the game thread, but I wonder if low priced software will justify the high hardware price?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on October 05, 2010, 08:02:08 PM
$50 after SquareEnix tax confirmed?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 05, 2010, 08:15:44 PM
Not for nothing, but could we keep talk of games to the games thread, and this thread for discussion of the console?
I posted in the general chat's tech thread about AR, and afterward I looked for reviews on the 3DS's AR and Engadget mentions that in moving around they often lost the sweet spot for the 3D effect. They're the only ones who mention this, but other reviewers talk about moving around an entire table, so it may be a small factor but it sounds a like it could be a little disorienting if the AR game gets intense.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on October 08, 2010, 01:00:59 AM
Will the 3DS have a charging cord and port, or will it be dependant on the cradle?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on October 08, 2010, 01:16:51 AM
Dude, you made the right decision ignoring it the first time around, a smarter decision than I made. A fancy 3D perspective won't fix Muramasa's two big problems: tedium and monotony.
You forgot repetition. ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2010, 04:46:57 PM
Nintendo president, Satoru Iwata, realizes this is easier said than done, however. Describing it as what he calls a bitter learning experience at an investor Q&A, Iwata admits that Nintendo have struggled to encourage people to take their Wii and DS systems online.
In light of this, one of the major goals for the 3DS is to allow people to experience “Something New Every Day” through the system’s online features. In order to facilitate this, Iwata feels it is imperative that Nintendo encourage people to take their Nintendo 3DS systems with them wherever they go, which will allow the system’s SpotPass mode to download content passively for them, thus demonstrating the 3DS’s online functionality.
In Japan, Nintendo have teamed up with numerous Internet providers, retailers and fast-food joints to create numerous wireless hotspots for the 3DS (over 2,000 by March 2011). Iwata reveals that they plan to do the same in the U.S. and Europe. Speaking to investors, he said:
“We must be able to offer clear-cut reasons for the overseas users to be willing to carry around Nintendo 3DS when they go out. Although we have not come to a conclusion on whether we should explore the possibility of the likes of Nintendo Zone or, like our collaborations with NTT East and NTT West, should deal with the entities which are offering free Wi-Fi access points, we are eager to proactively expand the access points so that an increasing number of people in the U.S. and Europe too can feel that it is fun to carry around a portable gaming device wherever they go out.”
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 09, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
So they do learn...
What can they really offer on a daily basis that will make people run back into the house to get their 3DS though? It would be cool if there were five or so non-cartridge games you could choose from and whichever you chose would receive a new level/puzzle everyday until the next round of games came out.
This quote also makes it pretty clear cut that there is no 3G in the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 09, 2010, 06:30:09 PM
If there was 3G, Street pass would be a waste of time.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on October 09, 2010, 07:49:07 PM
Because there is no 3G we won't be lead in to some deal with a carrier. I don't want to pay a monthly subscription for network access, I'm fine without it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on October 09, 2010, 10:46:16 PM
The idea of 3G in the 3DS was to make it like the Amazon Kindle whenre the cost of lifelong 3G usage is covered by the cost of the device.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 09, 2010, 11:02:42 PM
That idea doesn't work on a device that's going to do more than just download a few books every now and then.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on October 09, 2010, 11:19:43 PM
Which is probably why it didn't pan out, but there was an Iwata interview where he mentioned liking that model which created the 3G rumours in the first place.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on October 10, 2010, 06:08:05 AM
The 'Kindle model' 3G was never meant to be used to play games on it in Nintendo's mind. I'm pretty sure Iwata stated he wanted it pretty much to allow people access to the 3DS store. I'm sure if they did that there could be 'gold access' or regular wi-fi connection available for the gaming side of things online.
You know, that might explain the high price tag... /rampant misplaced speculation
Title: Japanese Gamers Dislike Price
Post by: Caterkiller on October 13, 2010, 01:45:40 PM
GetNews.jp (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://getnews.jp/archives/80459) recently conducted a survey, translated by GamesIndustry.biz (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2010-10-12-80-percent-of-japanese-gamers-perceive-3ds-as-pricey), with 1000 participants and of those questioned 19.2% stated that the handheld was too expensive, 28.3% said it was expensive and a further 32.2% of the participants questioned said it was slightly too expensive.
In contrast to this only 16.4% of participants said that they felt it was reasonably priced, while 2% said it was slightly inexpensive and 0.9% said it was inexpensive.
Nintendo's President Satoru Iwata recently defended the price of the handheld claiming the excited responses at E3 caused the high price. Additionally he stated that handhelds, unlike consoles, do not need a television to work and just because handhelds used to be cheaper this doesn't always have to be the case.
Nintendo is really acting differently this generation. I bet if they knew the Wii would sell like crazy they would have raised the price some. As long as there is a jet engine powering my DS I will be happy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 13, 2010, 01:55:11 PM
Where in the article does it say they dislike the price? They just said they think it is expensive. Besides, I think the price won't affect the sales there anyways.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on October 13, 2010, 02:11:52 PM
Well it said so in the title, just relaying information. But in my opinion, if anyone says something is expensive, slightly expensive, or too expensive, chances are they probably don't like the price.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 13, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
Hmmm...I think Nintendo is making a mistake with the price. It sounds like they upped the price to represent value and excitement of the product....and didn't just price it at a profit margin for them. I understand in business it is very important to price your products accurately to represent the value the consumer thinks they are getting...but this may be a bad decision.
I can see Nintendo last minute dropping the price slightly to around $275.00 If they get constant bad press about the price. (That is if Nintendo can still make a profit with that price point...which I am sure they can.)
I think the best price Nintendo could release is $249.99. Price it like the Wii initially. People will see the power of the machine, 2 screens and 3D and welcome it for that price.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 14, 2010, 01:14:39 AM
They haven't announced an American price yet; they announced a Japanese price that is roughly equivalent to 299 US dollars. They don't use straight currency conversion to set their international prices, just ask the Europeans. Like they said on RFN last week, based on a lot of factors, it's most likely that it will be $250 when it comes here.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on October 14, 2010, 01:33:08 AM
Just like game prices. Some games release in Japan for the equivalent of $80 dollars.
I've got a feeling I'm gonna feel some serious sympathy pain for Aussies when their price point is released.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 14, 2010, 02:32:59 AM
CryEngine on 3DS!!? http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=266739 (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=266739)
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I think the 3DS is an quite awesome piece of hardware. At E3, I got a demonstration from... it's probably better not to say, but quite a senior person at Nintendo. That demo showed me a very powerful piece of graphics hardware, as well as a very interesting user-experience.
I think they have a very interesting platform on their hands. They have some problems here and there but they are aware and it's nothing that cannot be ironed out.
I think the price point they're targeting is very interesting. Everything looks like a winner on that platform. I actually wouldn't be surprised if there is some high-end gaming happening on that platform because of the raw power of the hardware.
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Whether we would like to or not depends on the platform itself. My initial contact with it is just that we got to see the platform at E3, going forward it may be very well that we look into putting the Cry Engine on that platform. But again this is initially thought only - nothing has been decided. There is an opportunity with Nintendo 3DS and Crytek.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on October 14, 2010, 02:36:14 AM
Aw yea. They got us over a barrel. They know we want it. They know it's going to blow everything else away. They know we'll pay $300 for it.
$40 games aren't that unrealistic at this point, IMEO. The thing is a beast.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on October 14, 2010, 02:36:45 AM
I wonder what problems they are referring to in that interview?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on October 14, 2010, 05:15:03 AM
So if this thing can indeed run the Cryengine, it can run the unreal engine?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on October 14, 2010, 12:49:41 PM
So if this thing can indeed run the Cryengine, it can run the unreal engine?
Oh god, I'm such a noob. What the eff' is the Cryengine?
CryEngine is the game engine used to run the game Crysis which has been used as the top gaming benchmark for gaming PCs for quite a while now.
If they think 3DS can possibly run CryEngine after an indepth demonstration from someone at Nintendo, then Mark Rein was most definitely talking out of his ass regarding the 3DS' capabilities and being able to run the Unreal engine. He did admit to not having even touched the hardware while making comments about what it can do.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on October 14, 2010, 06:44:51 PM
I have a couple of questions.
Can the Wii run CryEngine?
If not and the 3DS can, does that mean Nintendo could possibly make a game even more beautiful than Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3...for an handheld?!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on October 14, 2010, 07:39:46 PM
I'm not even sure if the PS360 can run stock CryEngine. You try to put that on the Wii and I'm pretty sure it would melt the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 14, 2010, 09:05:24 PM
The question I have is about resolution.
The DS Screens may use a resolution low enough that the hardware inside can run more advanced engines and do games that look as good as 360 and PS3 games because it does not have to render the level of HD graphics of the PS3 and 360.
If that is true, I can see how technically it could run the CryEngine and the developers know it because it will be scaled down. And why Mark Rein doesn't understand the power because he is looking at the raw numbers which doesn't truly explain the power of the system.
Granted I am not a programmer and I don't know if this is actually how it works, but I think that is right. Right now the Wii can't do HD because it doesn't have enough RAM and processing to run a game smoothly in HD...doesn't mean that they can't develop an HD game for the Wii...but it wouldn't work. Right?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 14, 2010, 10:02:58 PM
I'm curious if Mark Rein just did a quick spec check. On paper, 3DS gets dominated by the likes of the iPhone 4. However, 3DS is a game device whereas the iPhone 4 is a smartphone first and foremost so that fancy A4 chip is doing a lot more than running games. It's a good sign that 3DS hardware has been praised by everyone not named Mark Rein. That tells me that Nintendo is on the right track, regardless of whether or not Rein can peddle his engines on the handheld.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 15, 2010, 01:21:39 PM
Where is this paper that shows 3DS specs? All we know about is the GPU which is leaps and bounds above the DS's CPUs.
Edit: The Pica2000 GPU of the 3DS is clocked at 200-400Mhz (maybe slightly less if Nintendo downgrades for power) and the ARM9 (the other CPU was a less powerful ARM7) of the DSi is clocked at 133Mhz. Apple's A4 is clocked at 1Ghz, the GPU runs off the same chip, and it's complimented with 512MB RAM. Assuming the 3DS will be built like its predecessors, along with its independent GPU it will also have 2 CPU's and with almost all high-end phone using 1Ghz+ CPU's nowadays I wouldn't be surprised if 1 of the 3DS's clocks in near there as well.
One final point I'll make is that so far we have only seen early software, and it's quite impressive, more impressive than the iPhone's best.
Edit2: I just saw the 'leaked specs' from IGN... Those specs put it in the PSP range of power, which doesn't seem right, and also doesn't bode wll for the possibilty of the Cryengine, or visuals that would make the developer of that engine think it was possible, because then it would have also been possible on the PSP.
Edit3: Sorry for the multiple edits but I just remembered that I originally was going to post that Engadget is reporting that NoA is patenting an app that would apparently sync with your grocery store to inform you of where everything is, even possibly allowing you to map out a shopping route. As the article implies, it could be a good reason to encourage people to bring their 3DS with them more often.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on October 15, 2010, 06:52:08 PM
Edit3: Sorry for the multiple edits but I just remembered that I originally was going to post that Engadget is reporting that NoA is patenting an app that would apparently sync with your grocery store to inform you of where everything is, even possibly allowing you to map out a shopping route. As the article implies, it could be a good reason to encourage people to bring their 3DS with them more often.
Considering other companies have been trying to push things like that with smart phones for years, it will be interesting to see what kind of penetration Nintendo gets with such apps.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 16, 2010, 07:22:52 AM
In Japan Nintendo could do it...but not in the States.
I want to see what Nintendo could do with baseball and syncing the 3DS...that would be awesome.
I think these specs are silly. I don't care about them, I really don't. All I want to know is are the games fun? The DS pulled of graphics that I enjoyed to play on the go, and I never was disappointed in them...and the Wii also pulls off graphics that I am very pleased with and are never disappointed with. Now will I enjoy a Nintendo system with better graphics sure...but that is not why I play games. I watch movies for graphics, I read books for stories, and I play video games for GAMEPLAY. To me Graphics and Story are a far distant second and third in importance.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 16, 2010, 12:48:33 PM
@Spak:
Just to reiterate, this patent was filed for by Nintendo of America (NoA) so they're are at least going to try it in the states, and with how popular the DS is with women, places like Walmart and K-Mart that will sell the 3DS likely wouldn't take too much convincing to set up (or allow Nintendo to pay for and set up) the in-store network that would allow the app to function.
And, yes graphics are a distant second or third in importance, but a system's horsepower allows different gameplay elements, especially on a system that is going to utilize 3D. Also, as we have seen with the Wii, being underpowered gets you less games. Nintendo already has the GB/GBA fans and the casual market buying the DS, now they want to steal the people who buy a PSP because it has better graphics/more 'hardcore' games. The best way to do that is to make a system that has enough graphical capabilities to attract western developers who make the 'hardcore' games.
On a side note, I would really like to see what the PSP2 is going to be. Graphical power got them next to nowhere last gen, and this gen, even if it's more powerful than the 3DS, if it doesn't have 3D it will seem underpowered, or outdated. Maybe Sony's going to make a PSP tablet, with a 5-7 inch touchscreen and the PSP form factor, that might not be such a bad idea.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 16, 2010, 12:57:48 PM
I think these specs are silly. I don't care about them, I really don't. All I want to know is are the games fun? The DS pulled of graphics that I enjoyed to play on the go, and I never was disappointed in them...and the Wii also pulls off graphics that I am very pleased with and are never disappointed with. Now will I enjoy a Nintendo system with better graphics sure...but that is not why I play games. I watch movies for graphics, I read books for stories, and I play video games for GAMEPLAY. To me Graphics and Story are a far distant second and third in importance.
Well, that's super and all, but ultimately moot. "Specs don't matter." Great. We've all heard that rhetoric before, especially from Nintendo themselves. Truth is, specs matter... to the vast majority of people making the games. It's not a question of whether 3rd parties developers can makes good games with lower specs. They can. They just don't want to and Nintendo can't force them. So, if 3rd parties don't want to, they aren't going to and judging by the Wii's woeful support, they haven't and they won't. Nintendo's gameplay first philosophy is admirable (and I tend to agree) but pushy. However, that philosophy is still possible with powerful hardware and it should be suggested, not enforced lest you alienate the people who could be making you even richer than you already are. In the interest of making more money, Nintendo should have been listening closer. In the end, a game can be ALL of the things that we love.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on October 16, 2010, 03:46:16 PM
i think the 3ds pricing issue has been a bit overblown, just because in japan its about 300 dollars converted from jen, does not mean is going to be the same here, im looking forward to a price range between 200-249.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on October 16, 2010, 05:29:38 PM
Graphics greatly matter to me because I can't stand the non-anti-aliased blocky 3D graphics of the RPGs on the DS. Especially when it's juxtaposed with crisp clean Anime or CGI cutscenes. It's driven me away from a number of highly regarded titles.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 16, 2010, 05:57:59 PM
I'll take a good game with bad graphics, but I'd rather have the same good game with good graphics. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 17, 2010, 11:50:35 AM
I think these specs are silly. I don't care about them, I really don't. All I want to know is are the games fun? The DS pulled of graphics that I enjoyed to play on the go, and I never was disappointed in them...and the Wii also pulls off graphics that I am very pleased with and are never disappointed with. Now will I enjoy a Nintendo system with better graphics sure...but that is not why I play games. I watch movies for graphics, I read books for stories, and I play video games for GAMEPLAY. To me Graphics and Story are a far distant second and third in importance.
Well, that's super and all, but ultimately moot. "Specs don't matter." Great. We've all heard that rhetoric before, especially from Nintendo themselves. Truth is, specs matter... to the vast majority of people making the games. It's not a question of whether 3rd parties developers can makes good games with lower specs. They can. They just don't want to and Nintendo can't force them. So, if 3rd parties don't want to, they aren't going to and judging by the Wii's woeful support, they haven't and they won't. Nintendo's gameplay first philosophy is admirable (and I tend to agree) but pushy. However, that philosophy is still possible with powerful hardware and it should be suggested, not enforced lest you alienate the people who could be making you even richer than you already are. In the interest of making more money, Nintendo should have been listening closer. In the end, a game can be ALL of the things that we love.
Yes true. Specs matter for developers. I am not saying I want a 3DS that basically follows the principles of the Wii. I don't. But, in the end, if the games are appearing to be of an extremely high quality with signs of a very strong processor and enough RAM to do some great things in terms of graphics. I also understand that stronger hardware actually allows for more advanced gameplay. But, in the end, I don't care worrying about them or stressing over what engines can and can't be made for the system, because I know other engines and other fantastic games and development tools will be made. I just want to play fun and engaging games period.
And about the patient...that is interesting. I guess it is plausible that most chains use a similar store design for corporate organization of the stores...Nintendo could easily use those blueprints to build a system for say Walmart or Targets to use for grocery lists...it would be interesting for sure.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on October 17, 2010, 04:37:01 PM
yeah but it was about time nintendo got on board with a system graphically superior to that of the competition the PSP. i loved my ds but i enjoyed much more 2d games over 3d ones, cause 3d graphics on the ds where kind of ugly even though some great efforts were made.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 17, 2010, 09:47:25 PM
I am actually worried that with the 3DS 2D games may become rare again. I love 2D much more than 3D gaming...and I love 2D gaming with sprites...but it just is easier for developers to make 3D models and just use those for 2D games than doing anything Sprite based anymore...and that depresses me.
Now with 3D being added to the 3DS developers will want to make games in the 3D just to get the better pop out or depth effects. It makes me sad.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 17, 2010, 10:36:19 PM
Well at the very least you're going to get a kick-ass 3D Paper Mario game, but i'm willing to bet there will be a lot more. People were saying the same thing when the DS came out and we still got plenty of sprite-based games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 18, 2010, 12:11:58 AM
I think we'll see fewer 2D games, but they'll still be there. Just look at the Wii: it has quite a few quality 2D games, both from Nintendo and others, and I'd expect the 3DS to have significantly more. 2D games will also continue to thrive on download platforms, both on 3DS and everywhere else.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on October 18, 2010, 02:52:48 PM
I'm just happy knowing I have an analog nub to play Mario 64 DS with.
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Well at the very least you're going to get a kick-ass 3D Paper Mario game, but i'm willing to bet there will be a lot more. People were saying the same thing when the DS came out and we still got plenty of sprite-based games.
Let's also not forget this so-called VC 3D releases.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on October 18, 2010, 03:02:38 PM
I really dont mind if we get few 2d games as long as they are top effort, because on the 3d side the 3ds is getting a bunch of ports and quick cash ins.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 18, 2010, 05:16:04 PM
I'm just happy knowing I have an analog nub to play Mario 64 DS with.
If you're talking about backwards compatibility, unless I missed something, you probably have to play previous gen DS games with the D-pad/touchscreen. Nintendo would have to patch Mario 64 DS in order for it to work with the slide pad which one, I doubt Nintendo would do and two, I'm not sure that's even possible.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on October 18, 2010, 06:01:48 PM
i dont think nintendo would re release mario 64 again for 3ds, i think they have something new planned for later on once the system is established.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 18, 2010, 06:34:43 PM
You don't think Nintendo would release a Mario 64 3DS that has all the extra Mario 64 DS content with slightly improved visuals, built for the analog slider and all in 3D?
I'd consider buying it....
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 18, 2010, 08:00:41 PM
What would be even better is if you could simply download a patch that would add 3D to Mario 64 DS.
With the 3DS's Virtual Console (is that even what they're calling it?) bringing GB/GBA games back to life with 3D effects, it doesn't seem too far-fetched to be able to download a patch for any past DS game (that the developer of said game is willing to create) that would 'upgrade' it to 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 18, 2010, 11:18:04 PM
I'm not an expert or anything, but wouldn't Nintendo have had to design DS games to be patched in order to do so? If it was so easy, couldn't they have just patched Metroid Prime to work with the Wii remote? Maybe they could and just didn't. I mean, patching previous generation games ultimately makes Nintendo less (or even no) profit as opposed to re-releasing the game outright. A patch would mean giving millions of people a free upgrade when they could just as easily repackage the game with slightly better visuals and most likely 3D and sell it for $40.
You don't think Nintendo would release a Mario 64 3DS that has all the extra Mario 64 DS content with slightly improved visuals, built for the analog slider and all in 3D?
I'd consider buying it....
Me too, i just think its highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 19, 2010, 12:00:49 AM
Mario 64 seems like it would look amazing in 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on October 19, 2010, 03:48:29 AM
I still haven't bought Mario 64 DS so it would be a win for me.
A patch would mean giving millions of people a free upgrade
Couldn't they just charge for the patch? Sell it in the 3DShop for a few hundred points. Heck, they could just sell the full Mario 64 DS on the shop with the upgrades added to it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 19, 2010, 05:35:05 PM
Ugh, I would hate for any company to start selling patches, mostly because I think patches are bullsh*t to begin with. More importantly, the first company to do this is going to open the floodgates and I don't like the implications of such. Patching already encourages lazy programming. "Oh, release the game with glitches anyway, we'll fix it later." I remember when developers absolutely could NOT "fix it later" and had to make their games correctly the first time. Once we start paying for patches, we basically surrender ourselves to buying broken games for $50-$60 then another $5-$10 because the developers didn't do their jobs right to begin with. And who's to say 3rd parties won't start doing that on purpose? That's not even additional content by DLC. Instead of getting content that's one, probably on the disc and requires only an unlock code and two, should have been included in the retail release in the first place, we could potentially end up paying extra for lines of code that amends and overrides the original shoddily written code and nothing else. Shenanigans. We're already living in a world where Nintendo is attempting to sell a $300 handheld, probably coming close to doubling the cost of parts and manufacturing.
In Super Mario 64 DS's case, ignoring whether patching DS games is even possible, Nintendo could sell this as DLC (something I'm also not a terribly big fan of but that's a different topic). At the same time, Nintendo would essentially be saying "exchange your so-so controls for sweet, sweet analog control... the way it was ALWAYS meant to be played."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on October 19, 2010, 08:37:36 PM
AND... whenever a topic about Nintendo comes up, Topless Robot users eat themselves and then some more. (http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/09/the_nintendo_3ds_is_expensive_boring_3-d.php)
I got more comedy on there then I did watching an episode of Panty & Stocking With Gaterbelt.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 20, 2010, 12:17:20 AM
@Adrock:
Why are patches bullshit? There isn't anything about the game that needs fixing, and if something did need fixing charging you for that patch would kill any chance that developer has of selling another game. You're taking this way out of context, this imaginary idea is for a patch that would produce 3D visuals in already released DS games saving you the need of buying a new game. As is known and I reiterated they are already 'patching' GB/GBC/GBA to have 3D visuals and will be available for download. I don't know how big DS games are (I think 256MB max) and we don't know how much internal storage the 3DS will have, but I imagine downloading full DS games would be a little much.
Also Mario 64 was ALWAYS meant to be played with an analog stick. Have you ever seen the N64 controller? Nintendo, like Sony, wanted to put analog on their portable but did not want to half-ass it like Sony did.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on October 20, 2010, 12:18:46 AM
Nintendo can't patch old games because they're running on the original firmware with the hardware operating as if it was the older hardware. That's not to say it's impossible, just not possible without major changes to the firmware.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2010, 01:49:41 AM
Patching already encourages lazy programming. "Oh, release the game with glitches anyway, we'll fix it later." I remember when developers absolutely could NOT "fix it later" and had to make their games correctly the first time.
Also Mario 64 was ALWAYS meant to be played with an analog stick. Have you ever seen the N64 controller? Nintendo, like Sony, wanted to put analog on their portable but did not want to half-ass it like Sony did.
Nintendo would essentially be saying "exchange your so-so controls for sweet, sweet analog control... the way it was ALWAYS meant to be played."
Hmm, you don't say?
Are you flipping serious? Would you at least read my post before you start harping about it? "Have you ever seen the N64 controller?" Jesus Christmas, man, if you're going to be a smartass, at least do it correctly....
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 20, 2010, 11:39:10 AM
Ok... Where are these broken games that I'm not seeing? Edit: And if they're already there, Nintendo doing patches to do 3D will not 'open the floodgates'.
And for your second point, now that I understand it, it's ridiculous, Nintendo is already saying trade your so-so controls for analog, have you ever seen the 3DS slider? Lol I couldn't help myself. DS games will be compatible with the slider, no patching necessary there.
Edit: @Megabyte, you're absolutely right, but if Nintendo went into making the 3DS knowing it would be backwards compatible, and that they're making GB* games in 3D and wanted to d the same for DS games without an entire recode, it could be easily done, but this is just imaginary/hopeful on my part.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 20, 2010, 12:10:11 PM
DS games will be compatible with the slider, no patching necessary there.
What makes you think that? I will use a similar example, when Sony released the DualShock controller, games released before that could not use the analog sticks. Some publishers re-released their games with DualShock support though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 20, 2010, 07:39:37 PM
Ok... Where are these broken games that I'm not seeing?
The most recent example I can think of is Castlevania: Lords of Shadow which had a game ending glitch that corrupted the save file, forcing you to start from scratch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on October 20, 2010, 10:03:14 PM
DS games will be compatible with the slider, no patching necessary there.
What makes you think that? I will use a similar example, when Sony released the DualShock controller, games released before that could not use the analog sticks. Some publishers re-released their games with DualShock support though.
I too am curious where this came from. I do hope it is true though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 20, 2010, 10:33:35 PM
DS games will be compatible with the slider, no patching necessary there.
What makes you think that? I will use a similar example, when Sony released the DualShock controller, games released before that could not use the analog sticks. Some publishers re-released their games with DualShock support though.
but that could be because they couldn't patch it. they could've had nowhere to store the patch except on a new printing of the disc.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 21, 2010, 12:18:39 AM
I would rebuy Super Mario 64 DS for the 3DS and who knows maybe they can add even more levels to the game. I thought it was fun playing as all the additional characters...and it made the Mario 64 world fun.
I would also love a secret character to be peach...with Super Mario Bros 2 play mechanics.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 21, 2010, 09:15:34 AM
I thought I read that the slide pad would be backward compatible, but I can't find the reference, so maybe I just made it up... Whatever, if I owe Adrock an apology, then I apologize, but I still want to see 3D patches for DS games. I still have most of the DS games I bought over the years, and it would be nice to play them in 3D without a new purchase.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on October 22, 2010, 01:39:47 AM
^i dont see that as a good idea, business wise, i mean.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on October 22, 2010, 04:25:01 AM
I would rebuy Super Mario 64 DS for the 3DS and who knows maybe they can add even more levels to the game. I thought it was fun playing as all the additional characters...and it made the Mario 64 world fun.
I would also love a secret character to be peach...with Super Mario Bros 2 play mechanics.
Now I just want a 'Super Mario 64 2' on the DS. Make it a spiritual successor to the N64 classic. A 3D Mario platformer would be a nice way to show off that new slider and how 3D gameplay now works on the DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on October 23, 2010, 09:48:48 AM
I would go for Super Mario 64 2...but I find it is sometimes hard to try to make a spiritual successor. If they are going to make a new Mario game and spend the resources, I want a new Mario game with new ideas, new power ups and hopefully new innovation. Though Super Mario Galaxy 3DS would be good too.
But, if they are going to give me an enhanced port for the second time. I would love to spend a little more time, and give me another hidden character, or a new level or 2 to explore. It just the experience worth the triple dip.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on October 23, 2010, 05:02:38 PM
what would be cool to see in 3d is some kind of mario galaxy hybrid for the 3ds, the mario galaxy camera system lends itself perfectly for 3d and the game play too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on October 23, 2010, 06:21:32 PM
Given that SMG already makes some people nauseous and 3D images supposedly give some bad headaches, SMG3DS might cause something even worse.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on October 23, 2010, 06:58:00 PM
^damn dude, you sure are paranoid about 3d lol
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on October 23, 2010, 07:27:58 PM
It's on a smaller screen so I wouldn't think it would cause quite as many nausea issues.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on October 23, 2010, 10:16:43 PM
But you hold the screen in front of your face so its smaller size doesn't really matter. The DS and GBA SP sometimes give me headaches because of how bright the screens are, and I wonder if the 3D-ness could intensify that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on October 24, 2010, 04:41:26 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on October 24, 2010, 09:27:01 PM
How in the world do you play DS? Do you set it on a table, sit on a couch that's seven feet away, and control it using really long robot arms?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2010, 09:40:28 PM
no, of course not,but who holds the DS right up in front of their face unless they are blind and crosseyed?
better get that prescription checked ;) (http://i52.tinypic.com/tah2qd.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on October 24, 2010, 09:46:48 PM
Anyone who holds a DS in their hands when they play it is holding it up to their face, unless maybe they have their arms fully extended. But even then, it's a lot closer than a television. If you think I meant an inch in front of your face, you took that too literally.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2010, 10:19:47 PM
there is not a whole lot of ways to interpret "But you hold the screen in front of your face" other than holding the screen in front of your face.
When I play my DS I don't have my arms "fully extended", but I'm certainly not holding the DS in front of my face either. the simple fact is that
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on October 24, 2010, 10:44:13 PM
I didn't specify distance, so if you're holding it in your hands and looking at the screen, it's in front of your face.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on October 24, 2010, 11:05:11 PM
This is a stupid argument. All she is saying is that the screen gets bigger the closer you hold it to your face, negating the fact that it's small. Valid point, albeit obvious.
Lez move on..
My main concern is looking back and forth from the top screen to the bottom, and having to adjust my eyes once again for the 3D to work. I could see that being annoying.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2010, 11:08:36 PM
are you being serious or should I just assume that being wrong is something that you don't accept very lightly?
When I play with my DS it's usually in my lap, there is no way you can consider that in your face unless you expect that person to be hunched over like a cave dwelling mouth breather. In your face would generally mean it would be obstructing your view. My DS sitting in my lap does not obstruct my view of anything but that part of my lap.
I don't know how you play your DS, but you're making it pretty clear that
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on October 24, 2010, 11:13:51 PM
But is stupid and right any better?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on October 24, 2010, 11:18:35 PM
I didn't say it was "in your face," I said it was "in front of your face." Front is a direction, and I said nothing to indicate how far away from your face it was. If you look at the DS in your lap then I still consider that in front of your face, but maybe that's just me. I guess I should have been more specific, I didn't realize anyone would be so nitpicky over an obvious generalization and point things out that don't in any way change my point.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 25, 2010, 12:06:25 AM
If 3D bothers you, gives you headaches, or makes you hold the screen directly in front of your face, turn it off... There's a slider for that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2010, 12:30:40 AM
But you hold the screen in front of your face so its smaller size doesn't really matter. The DS and GBA SP sometimes give me headaches because of how bright the screens are, and I wonder if the 3D-ness could intensify that.
If 3D bothers you, gives you headaches, or makes you hold the screen directly in front of your face, turn it off... There's an app for that.
That's what I read the first time through...haha.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 25, 2010, 08:09:59 AM
Lol, that's what I was going for.
Speaking of brightness, Engadget said that having the 3D effect on darkens the image a bit, but nowhere near as much as using glasses. So if you have problems with 3D and brightness you might be in trouble.
It has also been reported that the 3DS is a lot brighter than the the DSi, something like its lowest setting is comparable to the second or third lowest setting of the DSi. With the 3D effect darkening the top screen, the bottom screen will be brighter than the top, which might help you use it from peripheral vision after familiarity with the game so you're not constantly switching between 2D and 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2010, 12:53:18 PM
someone should make some tinted screen protectors, for people with sensitive eyes.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 25, 2010, 12:56:59 PM
I know the GBA SP had such protectors, I think the DS has them too (but I am not 100% sure). I assume at least some peripheral makers will release one for the 3DS too, although I have no idea how it will effect the 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on October 25, 2010, 05:47:36 PM
The DS Lite on the dimmest setting was still brighter than my television on max brightness. It seems to just be the nature of LCD screens, they are really, really bright. I'm sensitive to certain light, and the brightness of LCD just makes all of the colours look washed out.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2010, 01:08:21 AM
Nintendo announced today that it will be holding a public 3DS demo event early next year. The event will be held on January 8, 9 and 10 (a three day weekend) at the Makuhari Messe just outside Tokyo (this is the same location as the Tokyo Game Show and last month's Nintendo Conference press event). Further details, and presumably a name for the event, will be announced later. [...] The January event will be the first time the general public will get to sample the 3DS anywhere in the world, Iwata noted.
He also said that although Nintendo currently has no plans for other large scale events (past pre-release Wii and DS demo events were held in multiple locations around Japan), it does have some plans in place to give players in other parts of Japan a chance to sample the system ahead of release.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 29, 2010, 09:11:11 AM
Hopefully NOA will do a mall tour like they did for the Wii, this is a system people need to see to believe, and in America, malls are great because it directly targets the demographic who maybe wouldn't know of the sytem otherwise; moms, the elderly, and tweens who think the whole internet is facebook and twitter.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on October 29, 2010, 10:24:57 AM
Space World is back.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on October 29, 2010, 03:08:08 PM
It's a 3 day event from Nintendo, in Japan. No matter what they call it, I will still call it Space World. See? It's not dead.
I would like to call the Nintendo Fall Summit that too, but old wounds won't heal. =(
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
This topic is in Talkback: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32681.msg641222#msg641222 (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=32681.msg641222#msg641222)
but I have more info about the 3DS Shop http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/101029/07.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/101029/07.html)
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When we activate the shop for Nintendo 3DS, you will see the arrays of shelves by the themes. How to shift from one icon to another has become smoother, as you can see. There are multiple software titles on the shelves sorted by their themes. When you select a software title, you will see such options as checking the software details, watching a trailer, downloading a demo, and reading the users’ comments. When you select the game’s details, just like you do with Nintendo Channels on Wii, you will see an explanation of the game and how long the existing players have been playing with the software and with what frequency. Directly from here, you can also visit the official website for that software. When you select the movie option, you will see introductions of the content, such as trailers, before purchasing the software. Other than the shelves for the software, there are places where you can see a list of the latest software or a list of the best-selling titles. You can search for your preferred software, and you can express your support for some software if you’d like to recommend it to other people.
With Nintendo 3DS, in addition to expanding the packaged software sales, we are aiming to pursue the new possibilities of digital content download sales.
edit: Talkback has been updated with a video that has this info dubbed over the silence of the previous video.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2010, 02:17:03 PM
Nintendo Bets Big on Social DS System http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704361504575552052178193756.html?mod=WSJ_Tech_LEFTTopNews (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704361504575552052178193756.html?mod=WSJ_Tech_LEFTTopNews)
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While the games on social-network site Facebook or Apple's iTunes store tend to be less sophisticated than those played on a Nintendo hand-held, they allow users to play against friends or challenge strangers from across the world more seamlessly.
Nintendo says one of the new communication tools, StreetPass, finds and connects to a nearby 3DS machine even if the other party is a total stranger. The person doesn't need to be using the 3DS at the time in order to wirelessly link up and share data with another 3DS machine in the vicinity using a Wi-Fi connection.
The idea isn't entirely new. Certain games available on the current Nintendo DS offer a similar function called "Tag Mode" that lets players share game data, such as maps or character information. However, both parties need to be playing the game at the time in order to connect wirelessly from DS to DS. Nintendo said StreetPass offers broader potential for social interaction.
For example, Nintendo has showed a social network-like application called the StreetPass Plaza. On any given day, a 3DS owner may unknowingly cross paths with many other 3DS users. The virtual playpen displays a day's encounters, each as an avatar with some basic but not too revealing information: the person's screen name, the last game they played, when the "pass" took place and how many times the two have come across one another.
In a nod to privacy concerns, Nintendo says users will be able to disable these wireless features if they choose.
At a media event last month, Nintendo President Satoru Iwata said the new features "encourage people to make it a habit to carry around the Nintendo 3DS devices wherever they go.
Not all new info, but I really hope this means that the DS is account based and not system based.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on October 31, 2010, 12:36:32 AM
Apparently Nintendo is not interested in making the 3DS into a smart phone. Nintnedo could implement some kind of Skype system for online communication during gameplay.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on October 31, 2010, 07:02:58 AM
What they should add to that Streetpass Plaza is that after you pass someone, you can load a message for the next encounter perhaps challenging them to a game (the last one they played), or even just a simple hello. Perhaps even messaging over wifi for the same purpose. In Japan where such encounters are more likely this could be a used for a new dating sim, perhaps even without the sim. Speaking of which, it would be cool if developers could use the Miis of the people you Streetpass in games like Mario Kart, and Pilotwings Resort.
And BnM I'm thinking perhaps it was just part of rumors, but it has been mentioned before that Nintendo's more robust online system would ditch individual game friend codes, and use just one per system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on November 01, 2010, 12:25:41 AM
No more friend codes?
IT'S A DREAM COME TRUE. (I hope.)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2010, 01:47:40 AM
All I'm hoping for is downloads tied to an online account and a single system code if a system code is even necessary.
Actually, the system code should be hidden in the background and everything should be done by username. It won't matter if I change my username everyday because when we accepted each other as friends, it really connected us by system code - which is tied to my account like my saves, and not to my system.
In other words, make it work exactly like Steam. Doesn't matter how often I change my name, you will still be my friend. Doesn't matter what system I log in from, I can continue playing from where I left off. (but obviously, if the system isn't registered to my account then I should need to log in everytime I use that system.).
Does that sound as reasonable as I think it does?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on November 01, 2010, 05:52:01 AM
I think something was mentioned in a feature doc that you could do software transfers between DS systems. Limit was up to 5 times I think.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on November 01, 2010, 08:56:00 AM
BnM, sounds reasonable except for one thing; Streetpass gives your username to random strangers.
So instead of allowing people access to you through your username, they need your hidden, system based friend code, so you and parents know that the only people who can contact you are those you seek out.
So in essence it could work like how you said, but you and your friends will need to know each others codes, then are (likely) free to switch usernames as often as you would like, without needing to tell people your new name.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2010, 12:01:39 PM
You would still need to accept friends for them to communicate with you so it shouldn't be an issue.
I pass someone on the street and it shows them my current username which also has my system code embedded (for ID purposes incase we pass again, and again and again), and some other useless stats, but he can't contact me other than to send a friend request that I must accept before we can have any sort of non automated communication through our 3DS'.
If we simply pass everyday, it would still identify me by my systemcode regardless of how many times I've changed my code.
for example, I could pass GamerX123 around 8:15am every morning and his 3DS would read passed BNM 3x @ 8:15 and even if the next day I changed my name to BlueBomber, the next day his 3DS would simply read passed BlueBomber 4x @ 8:15 if the service was exactly like steam, then maybe it would allow you to click the name and see that he may have previously known me as BNM and if changed my name again, it would say previously know as BNM, BlueBomber and any other name change I may have had since we've been crossing paths.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on November 01, 2010, 07:18:46 PM
just saw an interview on ign.com with shigeru miyamoto in which he said that both 3d and 2d mario will make an appearance on 3ds
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on November 01, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
yes, but it was not actually 2d, its the games camera system playing tricks.
Isn't that how most 2D games are made now, though? The models etc. are 3D (because it's cheaper than making sprites), but movement is restricted to a 2D plane.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on November 02, 2010, 05:48:37 PM
yeah but the way NSMBW employs 3d is vaslty different than what mario galaxy 2 did.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on November 03, 2010, 12:35:05 AM
yeah but the way NSMBW employs 3d is vaslty different than what mario galaxy 2 did.
Glad someone else besides me notices that. NSMBWii was built upon the existing NSMBDS engine. Galaxy 1 and 2 was built on the Mario 3-D Engine with extra gravity features. Both have 2-D in them, but both are still vastly different game engines.
Full 2-D Mario is still going to sell better then 3-D Mario though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 03, 2010, 01:35:54 AM
Full 2-D Mario is still going to sell better then 3-D Mario though.
And, if recent trends continue, the 3D game is still going to be a lot better than the 2D one.
If you mean more funds / effort will be thrown at the 3D game, then I agree.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 03, 2010, 01:48:08 AM
Actually, now that I think about it, the recent 3D Marios were great because they were made by Nintendo's best development studio, and I really hope Nintendo isn't making EAD Tokyo make yet another Mario game, so that may not be true. Still, if it's another NSMB-styled game from EAD 4, I'd probably stick with that prediction.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on November 03, 2010, 01:52:18 AM
Well, since Retro is making DKCR that probably means that Tokyo is not making a sequel to Jungle Beat.
They could be working on a Jungle Beat for 3DS. Whatever they are working on I'm willing to bet it is for 3DS. Though there is the chance that they are heading up the development of launch titles for the Super Wii Entertainment System.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 03, 2010, 02:19:28 AM
The situation with EAD Tokyo is like the situation with Retro prior to E3. They're such a talented and creative team that I really wish Nintendo would give them a lot of freedom in regard to what they're going to work on.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on November 03, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
yeah but the way NSMBW employs 3d is vaslty different than what mario galaxy 2 did.
Glad someone else besides me notices that. NSMBWii was built upon the existing NSMBDS engine. Galaxy 1 and 2 was built on the Mario 3-D Engine with extra gravity features. Both have 2-D in them, but both are still vastly different game engines.
Full 2-D Mario is still going to sell better then 3-D Mario though.
I think true mario fans enjoy 3d mario games as much as 2d, but offers different experinces, but true, 2d mario is much more accessible than 3d ones.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on November 03, 2010, 03:12:42 PM
I wish all Mario games were like Galaxy 2. The blend of both is by far the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on November 03, 2010, 06:26:31 PM
New hologram technology brings 3-D to life Scientists are still a long way from holograms but are talking about it anyway
...new holographic technology can project a near 360-degree image to another location that updates every two seconds.
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To create the hologram, cameras take color images at multiple angles and send them over an Ethernet line. In the lab model, images are projected onto a transparent plastic panel and refreshed every few seconds.
Future displays will lie flat on a table and the system will create an optical illusion that the image is floating above the screen.
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no special glasses are needed and the number of perspectives is only limited by the number of cameras used.
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I don't think you can see these in our houses in less than seven to 10 years
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on November 03, 2010, 07:08:17 PM
...new holographic technology can project a near 360-degree image to another location that updates every two seconds.
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To create the hologram, cameras take color images at multiple angles and send them over an Ethernet line. In the lab model, images are projected onto a transparent plastic panel and refreshed every few seconds.
Future displays will lie flat on a table and the system will create an optical illusion that the image is floating above the screen.
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no special glasses are needed and the number of perspectives is only limited by the number of cameras used.
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I don't think you can see these in our houses in less than seven to 10 years
This is what 3D will eventuall evolve into in the future. Although I have to wonder what the cost of holograms are when compare to 3D. I do see holograms being implemented into Nintendo's next system some how.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 03, 2010, 09:53:43 PM
I don't understand the dissing of NSMBWii....that game is absolutely fantastic. One of my favorite Mario games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 03, 2010, 09:58:16 PM
NSMBWii is a really good game, but I don't want them to make another one. It's time for a different developer to try their hand at 2D Mario.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 03, 2010, 11:56:44 PM
Oh, I want as many new 2D Mario games as possible. Though, if handing it to another developer means getting a nice sprite based game then I am all for it. One thing is sure, I want the 4 player aspect to be enhanced and always used...that is amazing fun.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on November 04, 2010, 12:27:59 AM
I would like to see a 2D Mario game with a level creater that can be exchanged by players via spotpass.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on November 04, 2010, 12:37:39 AM
Wow, kytim, that is the first reasonable (and clever) idea I've seen you post.
*Applauds*
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on November 04, 2010, 12:51:45 AM
Wow, kytim, that is the first reasonable (and clever) idea I've seen you post.
*Applauds*
Do you want me to continue this trend?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 04, 2010, 11:45:52 AM
Hmmm...A level editor could be cool. I shouldn't be too hard to create a tile based level editor...and then throw enemies in. Most enemies have very basic and set AI rules that most gamers understand...but on special character instances you could easily just make a new character for them...keep it simple stupid and all that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on November 04, 2010, 11:49:41 AM
i have seen to hacks of nsmbw level editing, look it up on youtube.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on November 04, 2010, 01:16:43 PM
i have seen to hacks of nsmbw level editing, look it up on youtube.
Those are just fan hacks and nothing else. The real thing would be more awesome.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on November 04, 2010, 04:57:24 PM
yeah i know, but its a start.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on November 04, 2010, 11:22:34 PM
The homebrew level editor for New Super Mario Brothers Wii is amazing. It's about as simple as it could possibly be considering it is unofficial and allows you to use absolutely every element that's in the game. The only difference between it and an official editor would be ease of use, though I wouldn't be surprised if they cut out some of the more complicated elements like platforms that move on paths.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on November 05, 2010, 12:53:27 PM
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The only difference between it and an official editor would be ease of use, though I wouldn't be surprised if they cut out some of the more complicated elements like platforms that move on paths.
Moving paths have been in Mario games since the SMB1, I'm sure Nintendo would find some way to move around it. Maybe.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on November 05, 2010, 01:23:43 PM
i have seen some homebrew levels that are very clever in design, they look much harder than the actual game but fun.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 06, 2010, 05:36:55 PM
I have some speculation based on a comment from Iwata
Quote from: Iwata @ Investor Q&A
In October, certain retailers usually start their own, limited weekly-offer type of sales promotions, and they are starting such promotions in the U.S. and in Europe. Whether the consumers actually react to such limited weekly offers or not can tell us a lot and can be our sales indicator for the year-end. If they do not react with significant purchases, we will have to think that Wii and Nintendo DS have little more demand. On the other hand, if three times or even five times as much as the previous week's sales are made as a result of such limited offers, we can conclude that our consumers are actually waiting for some incentives.
By now, we have come to notice that such special offers from retailers have prompted significant increases in the weekly sales, so we are interpreting the current situation as our consumers are patiently waiting, instead of interpreting it as diminishing demand (for Wii and Nintendo DS). I think this is how the difference in expectation can take place between when you estimate the November and December sales based upon the past years' sales trend and when we forecast our sales in this fashion.
Can we expect this type of thing to carry over to maybe WiiWare, DSiWare & 3DSWare? Could we get an environment where every once in a while there are some sales for software to get things moving?
We all know that current WiiWare and VC purchases are not where they should be and Nintendo has no one to blame but themselves because for 1, they don't advertise anything, 2, most of the software is overpriced and 3, nothing ever goes on sale to attract attention to the service and hightlite games that people would enjoy if only they would give them a chance, which would in turn make people check the service more often, even if it's just to see whats on sale.
But anyway, Iwata realizes that having sales is an incentive to push a purchase. Do you think that is where Nintendo is headed in the next round of DD as well as retail purchases? Can we hope for 3DSWare to be more Steam like when it comes to sales that get us to open our wallets and buy games we would otherwise ignore?
Title: 3DS Release Date - 3/11/11
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 06, 2010, 06:43:31 PM
We have a US/EUR Launch date for 3DS people. so mark your calendars...
3DS to launch on March 11, 2011 http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/01/nintendo-confirms-north-american-and-european-3ds-launch-for-march-2011/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/01/nintendo-confirms-north-american-and-european-3ds-launch-for-march-2011/)
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Nintendo of America has not announced a timeline for the 3DS, but the latest financial supplement page pegs the Nintendo 3DS for a March launch in North America and Europe. Currently, no titles have a targeted release date
(http://imgur.com/bCgsx.png) ...and start saving your change.
edit: Official Nintendo Magazine list the date as the 11th of March BTW http://vgtribune.com/3ds-for-march-11th-uk-release/ (http://vgtribune.com/3ds-for-march-11th-uk-release/) ^pic at the link
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Today I got the newest Official Nintendo Magazine from a local establishment here in the UK and I have noticed something inside which caught my eye. In the details of the Nintendo 3DS section the magazine has a date of March 11th 2011. As I’m sure you are all aware the 3DS does not currently have a date announced for release outside of Japan.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on November 06, 2010, 09:28:07 PM
Thats not far at all, yippi! Going to only buy one, then wait for the second revision to come around for presents and such.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on November 06, 2010, 09:36:54 PM
If anything, I might just stick with one version of the 3DS... but that's just me.
Yeah.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on November 06, 2010, 09:40:32 PM
March 11/11 is a Friday, so would that translate to March 6 or 13 for North America?
Either way, my wallet am cry.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on November 07, 2010, 10:47:01 AM
IGN has an interesting article up about the Gamecube seeing another resurrection on the 3DS. They mention ports of games like Luigi's Mansion, Odama, Wind Waker, Super Mario Sunshine, Star Wars: Rogue Leader, and I'm sure anyone who's ever played a GC can add many other worthwhile titles to be ported to the 3DS.
But my thing is, why didn't Nintendo think of this? Why give us Ocarina of Time in 3D when they could give us Wind Waker, or even Twilight Princess? Why Star Fox instead of Rogue Leader? Is it nostalgia? Surety of sales? Laziness? Or worst case scenario, marketing?
The glasses-less 3D effect is such a 'wow' factor, that Nintendo could actually afford to give us lower graphic-quality ports, then once the that effect has worn off, (in a little more than a year) they could then hit us with GC ports that resemble Wii games in their graphics.
Early software on a console is usually the worst graphically while developers are still getting used to the system, and RE 3DS looks amazing, so this could be a good strategy, but I think it would have been a bigger statement if they launched with GC ports (although they are less popular) then brought the classic games later. As mentioned in the article the original DS launched with 64 ports(I'm still waiting for them to port Jet Force Gemini), now the 3DS is going to launch with 64 ports as well?
I understand the nostalgia/surety of sales/popularity thing, but with people discussing whether the 3DS is more powerful than the Wii, and if it can run the freaking Crysis Engine, Nintendo releasing first party GC games in 3D would have been signaling their own commitment to graphics. I do think Konami bringing a PS2 port (MGS3) to the 3DS is significant, but the GC was more powerful than the PS2, and that's a third party, Nintendo should be leading.
Anyway, they're almost certain to bring GC ports to the 3DS, but I wish they were launching with a few.
But my thing is, why didn't Nintendo think of this? Why give us Ocarina of Time in 3D when they could give us Wind Waker, or even Twilight Princess? Why Star Fox instead of Rogue Leader? Is it nostalgia? Surety of sales? Laziness? Or worst case scenario, marketing?
1. Ocarina of Time > Wind Waker/Twilight Princess
2. Who said Wind Waker and Twilight Princess aren't coming? Nintendo re-releases everything. I'd personally buy Wind Waker again just to see Ganondorf fly towards the screen and backhand Zelda in 3D.
3. A Rogue Leader re-release is up to Lucasarts.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on November 07, 2010, 12:35:59 PM
But my thing is, why didn't Nintendo think of this? Why give us Ocarina of Time in 3D when they could give us Wind Waker, or even Twilight Princess? Why Star Fox instead of Rogue Leader? Is it nostalgia? Surety of sales? Laziness? Or worst case scenario, marketing?
1. Ocarina of Time > Wind Waker/Twilight Princess
I agree, and I'll be picking up Ocarina of Time 3D, but my point is launching 64 ports vs. launching GC ports. Also, it's been mentioned numerous times how many different times OoT has been rereleased. It's not like Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were bad games, as you sort of alluded to.
2. Who said Wind Waker and Twilight Princess aren't coming? Nintendo re-releases everything. I'd personally buy Wind Waker again just to see Ganondorf fly towards the screen and backhand Zelda in 3D.
Oh yeah... forgot about that lol. And IGN says that since Faction 5 is no longer around, a true port couldn't be done, but they make the excellent point that an 'epic space battle' type of Star Wars game has not been done for awhile, which could be pretty great in 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 07, 2010, 12:41:24 PM
I was gonna suggest that we let Kytim tell you why Jet Force Gemini wouldn't see a port to the 3DS since he is so in love with mentioning the R word, but that should be enough of a hint for you.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on November 07, 2010, 01:22:27 PM
I was gonna suggest that we let Kytim tell you why Jet Force Gemini wouldn't see a port to the 3DS since he is so in love with mentioning the R word, but that should be enough of a hint for you.
A port of Conker and Perfect Dark would be much appreciated. :P:
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on November 07, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
Oh yeah... forgot about that lol. And IGN says that since Faction 5 is no longer around, a true port couldn't be done, but they make the excellent point that an 'epic space battle' type of Star Wars game has not been done for awhile, which could be pretty great in 3D.
But Factor-5 does still exist. All rights and licenses got passed to their German parent company. White Harvest is the current form of Factor-5 and they have mentioned before a Wii RS game being in the works.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 07, 2010, 07:41:31 PM
Well, I would say the fact that OoT is listed as one of the greatest games of all time, probably has something to do with the port...and is the game that could be touched up with better graphics and quickly be dropped on a portable easily. It is also a more complete game than Wind Waker, which was a controversial Zelda game stirring up a lot of fans. A Wind Waker 3DS with 2 or 3 more levels would be fantastic...but I dunno.
Also, the Nintendo 64 is fairly old now, and there are gamers that haven't played the games available for the system on it.
I think the same could be said of almost all the games being ported. They are the BEST games in the series. Star Fox 64 is amazing, and I would prefer that game to Rogue Squadron any day of the week.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on November 07, 2010, 09:11:45 PM
Well, I would say the fact that OoT is listed as one of the greatest games of all time, probably has something to do with the port...and is the game that could be touched up with better graphics and quickly be dropped on a portable easily. It is also a more complete game than Wind Waker, which was a controversial Zelda game stirring up a lot of fans. A Wind Waker 3DS with 2 or 3 more levels would be fantastic...but I dunno.
Also, the Nintendo 64 is fairly old now, and there are gamers that haven't played the games available for the system on it.
I think the same could be said of almost all the games being ported. They are the BEST games in the series. Star Fox 64 is amazing, and I would prefer that game to Rogue Squadron any day of the week.
Yes indeed, a remake of Windwaker would be fantastic for the 3ds, specially with the art style and color of WW, it would look amazing in 3d. Plus wind waker is a great portable option since the game is not too hard or too long.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 08, 2010, 10:32:11 AM
In Bizarro World, yes. In our world, hell freaking no.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on November 08, 2010, 01:08:20 PM
Yeah, I know that Rare ports are as unlikely as the U.S winning the World Cup, but a man can dream...
And yes, Wind Waker did divide 'hardcore' fans, but it's a good game that could be reintroduced to new generation. It's prettry unique (especially in the Zelda universe) in terms of style and gameplay, and there was a lot of fun to be had. Also, the only true problem with WW's graphics was the distance draw (things far away were blurry) which they could likely fix for the 3DS. And, there's also Twilight Princess, which had traditional graphics and great gameplay, though I personally felt it lacked story, which WW and OoT had plenty of.
I just hope we see GC ports on the 3DS sooner than later, and I hope Kid Icarus 3D will be have the strongest graphical presentation. As apparently happened with the Crysis engine guy, Nintendo needs to show developers what they can do graphically with the system to entice them to make high quality games for the 3DS.
Despite lackluster sales, the PSP still saw many AAA titles, and the DS could use more of those from 3rd parties, although it has plenty already.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on November 08, 2010, 06:39:34 PM
In Bizarro World, yes. In our world, hell freaking no.
That's your opinion.
Ocarina of Time is the highest selling game in the series and thus a good place to start if they're trying to launch a system and not willing to pull out all the stops for a brand new game. 3DS looks more than capable of handling Gamecube level graphics so porting Wind Waker probably would have been easier than rebuilding Ocarina of Time. Clearly, Nintendo is pulling on the heartstrings of Ocarina of Time fans.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on November 08, 2010, 07:10:32 PM
Unless Microsoft is willing to enter the handheld market, they should create a third party 3DS developer and make handheld iterations of their franchises. If the 3DS is a ground breaking success, and it most likely will be, then all companies would be foolish to not either develop for or port games to the 3DS. Of course Microsoft is a competitor to Nintendo, but it could be a good way to fight a proxy war with Sony's PSP 2 without having to put large amounts of resources into developing a new console.
I would love to have some kind of spotpass enabled Halo or Fable on the go. Perhaps the profits could be split fifty-fifty between Nintendo and Microsoft. Then again, what am I smoking to think this would ever happen?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on November 08, 2010, 10:08:02 PM
Microsoft is probably going to use their mobile OS (Windows Phone 7) to make their games mobile. With the popularity of iPhone 4 games, and the forthcoming Playstation Phone, it makes sense, more so than partnering with a competitor at least.
With so many X360 games ported to the PC it stands to reason that in a day and age where mobile PC's are more popular than desktops and even the X360 itself, that Microsoft brings their games to that market in a more accessible way than super powerful laptops, and they don't even have to create the hardware themselves.
Although, I do wonder if HTC, Samsung or any other phone makers would be willing to take the risk that SonyEricsson is taking with the PSPhone, but if it's succesful, they might.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on November 10, 2010, 12:09:15 PM
In Bizarro World, yes. In our world, hell freaking no.
That's your opinion.
Ocarina of Time is the highest selling game in the series and thus a good place to start if they're trying to launch a system and not willing to pull out all the stops for a brand new game. 3DS looks more than capable of handling Gamecube level graphics so porting Wind Waker probably would have been easier than rebuilding Ocarina of Time. Clearly, Nintendo is pulling on the heartstrings of Ocarina of Time fans.
Well great, handheld Zeldas thus far didn't have to live up to Ocarina of Time in the Zeltards eyes. Now that we're getting an OoT rehash for the 3DS, now handheld Zeldas have to be just as good as Ocarina of Time in their eyes.
I'll wait for impressions on Skyward Sword, but honestly, I think Anomura(sp?) is best suited with being a director instead of a producer. His dungeon designs were excellent in OoT and Majora's Mask. No Koizumi makes me cry though
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on November 10, 2010, 11:02:33 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on November 12, 2010, 01:55:02 AM
I curse my ability in forgetting the last names of game creators I don't care for that much.
Aonuma is best suited as a director of dungeon design, AND NOTHING ELSE.
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Microsoft is probably going to use their mobile OS (Windows Phone 7) to make their games mobile. With the popularity of iPhone 4 games, and the forthcoming Playstation Phone, it makes sense, more so than partnering with a competitor at least.
It might be just me, but I find those phone game demos I try at the stores very uncomfortable to control.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on November 22, 2010, 12:26:19 PM
Was over a friend's house to watch the Giants vs Eagles game last night and when we 'sat in a circle' ('70s show reference, we always watched episode where Eric's parents eat the special brownies) a couple of DSi commercials played back to back, and I mentioned the 3DS. I had mentioned it to two of the people already (who for some reason forgot...)but everybody loved the idea, and hated the price.
The general consensus was; 'if I'm going to pay over $200 for a console(not the word they used), I want to play it on my T.V. The people were made up of one PS2, two 360, one PS3 owners, and two of their girlfriends, none of whom own a DS and only one 360 owner who has a Wii and still plays it.
That got me wondering about the price. With such high technology (or at least percieved, since we don't know about RAM, or CPU and GPU clock speeds and autostereoscopic screens are coming to a number of US smartphones next year) is Nintendo going for an early adopter price, then quick price cuts later like Sony was forced to do with the PS3? Is that the lesson they learned from the Wii, which has yet to see a price cut?
If they had sold the Wii for more at launch, they would have had to cut the price by now, especially with the launches of the competitors motion peripherals, and Iwata(?) said they should have sold the Wii for more. What if they cut the 3DS to $199.99 for the 2011 holidays after launching at $250 or more? That would be a good strategy for Nintendo, but for those of us frothing at the mouth to get this thing, we may end up spending an extra $50 or more on it just for the privelege of having it 6-9 months before everyone else, who may by then be looking at an iPhone 3D.
This may be the first Nintendo system I do a wait and see for, since I've been paying for them with my own money, which was the N64 and I couldn't afford it at launch, otherwise I would have had it at launch like every other Nintendo system since then. (I'm only like 85% sure on that last point, the handhelds are tripping me up)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 22, 2010, 07:57:15 PM
Launching the Wii at any higher of a price may have made the Wii not the hit that was. It launched at the perfect price at the perfect time for what it was and for Nintendo to wish they had charged more in retrospect is not only greedy but possibly stupid.
One thing Nintendo knows about pricing is that you want to price it right from the beginning because once you lower the price, you can't just raise it again later. So if they price it a little too high @ launch and it sells a little better than good, then they lower the price 6 months later and it starts selling a little better, would that have been better than if they had priced is good to begin with and it was flying off shelves and then not have to lower the price for 3 or more years because they released it at the perfect price(like they did with the Wii)?
Would they rather the 3DS sell like the Wii or sell like the PS3? Because pricing it out of the HYPEd impulse buy zone will kill the hype and leave plenty of room for a maybe similarly priced PSP2 to come in and achieve more market share than it should have.
but anyway, that's not why I came in here.
3DS to Triple DS Development Costs
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Development costs for Nintendo's 3DS could well be three times the size of those for Nintendo's existing DS handheld according to reports emerging from Japan.
Marvelous Entertainment, the company most famed for its involvement in the Harvest Moon series, revealed during a recent Q&A session (reported on by 1up) that development costs for the 3DS will come in between ¥50-150 million (between $599,000 to $1.8 million or £375,000 to £1.12 million), compared to a reported development cost for the Nintendo DS of between ¥ 4.4 and ¥43.9 million (between $53,000 to $527,000 or £33,000 to £329,000).
not unexpected, but still news.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 22, 2010, 09:43:39 PM
Nintendo returns as an exhibitor to CES for the first time in 16 years. (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/2011-ces-gaming-showcase-features-latest-in-gaming-technologies-2010-11-22?reflink=MW_news_stmp)
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The International CES will return to Las Vegas from January 6-9, 2011.
Exhibitors will present their products across 9,800 square feet within the Gaming Showcase. Located in the North Hall of the Las Vegas Convention Center, the Gaming Showcase will feature advancements in online gaming and gaming-related product debuts in both hardware and software -- from online PC and HD gaming, plasma HDTV to surround sound and power conditioning hardware. Nintendo returns as an exhibitor to CES for the first time in 16 years.
"With the gaming market expected to generate $20.3 million[my note: I think he meant billion] in 2010, the International CES is the must-stop hub for innovative gaming products, and will allow CES attendees to experience the future of gaming from an amazing range of innovative companies," said Karen Chupka, senior vice president, events and conferences, CEA. "The Gaming Showcase at CES will feature the hottest gaming trends for the coming year.
Major gaming exhibitors include: AMD, HP, Intel, Lenovo, LevelUp, Logitech, Microsoft, Nintendo, Nokia, Sony and more. Publishers and developers will also be in attendance, including: Alcazar Entertainment, Cosmi, DC Comics/Warner and DreamWorks Animation. Furthermore, key retailers like Amazon.com, Best Buy and GameStop will also attend the 2011 CES.
I think we all know this will be the 3DS blowout, but could there be a tease for a Wii2 in there somewhere? maybe if Xmas doesn't pan out like Nintendo hopes... (record breaking Nov + Dec is needed, but is not very likely)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on November 22, 2010, 09:49:54 PM
I suppose the great thing about handhelds is that games can look like pokemon black and white and they could still be mega hits despite there being obvious room for a higher performance.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2010, 12:46:19 AM
Looks like 3DS is in trouble as Sharp & Capcom muddy the waters before CES even begins...
Sharp's 3-D Galapagos Phone To Challenge Nintendo's 3DS http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/11/04/sharp-3d-phone-galapagos/ (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/11/04/sharp-3d-phone-galapagos/)
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Hey, do you remember those portable 3-D screens Sharp paraded around earlier this year? Well, it looks like the company's technology has been coming together to build phone that will compete with the Nintendo 3DS. Why do we think it's going to be gunning for Nintendo? The Sharp Galapagos has already got a list of games that includes the names Resident Evil and Mega Man.
"Resident Evil: Degeneration," a Mega Man title, "Mobile Powerful Pro Baseball 3D," "Ghost 'n Goblins: Gold Knights" and a few other titles are currently in line to appear on the phone's 3.8" 3-D screen, which requires no glasses, according to a report on Kotaku. 3-D movies will also be made available, and "Shrek Forever After" and "Battle Royale 3D" have been named for that list.
Just how serious the threat the Galapagos poses to the 3DS is questionable. It sounds like a phone that will eat up battery power fast and run hot with both a games library and graphics performance that rank beneath Nintendo's new device.
It's game over 3DS and we never even got a chance to know you :(
Oh my mistake.... FALSE ALARM. Go ahead and un-cancel those pre-orders. http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/04/mega-man-resident-evil-and-silpheed-go-glasses-free-3d-on-android-phone/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/04/mega-man-resident-evil-and-silpheed-go-glasses-free-3d-on-android-phone/) (http://i52.tinypic.com/eb391v.jpg)
3DS is many leagues above that visually and probably in battery life too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on November 23, 2010, 11:01:01 AM
So are you saying that Nintendo is not only going to launch high, but keep the price high as well? Or it's not going to be more than $200?
Even $200 is a lot, and not everyone will be willing to pay over $150 for a handheld unless the 3DS is the best thing since sliced bread, or the iPhone (perception-wise). It very well could be, but without calling or 'tablet functions' it's behind the competition when it comes to (initial) perception.
When a non-informed person goes to make their first 3D purchase, are they going to look at which is getting better 3rd party support, or price and function? As you and I both mentioned 3D smartphones are coming, which don't (and likely won't for awhile) have the graphical output of the 3DS, but if they can also play 3D movies at a similar resolution as the 3DS, and can access ESPN 3D and Youtube 3D from anywhere (which I am predicting to get big within the next two years), the phone seems a worthwhile purchase and the 3DS worth waiting for.
The 3DS will still sell, videogamers, impulse buyers, and well off kids will be all over the thing, but the casual market may be a little reluctant at anything more than $200 and limited features. Like the lack of global internet access, or playability on a T.V with multiple people. Unless of course Nintendo does do a Kinect like thing with the 3DS's cameras, and a later version has 4G. Both of which are wishful thinking on my part, but 4G wouldn't be a complete shocker for the redesign 3yrs or so from now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2010, 11:59:29 AM
3D phones pose almost no threat to the 3DS seeing as most phones are so expensive that yo usually need a 2yr contract just to afford them. I also wouldn't expect a huge attach rate to a 3D model phone until either iPhone3D hits the market or every manufacturer starts pumping out 3D model phones. Otherwise there won't be a userbase large enough for anyone to really notice.
Re: price, Nintendo see that the PSP has sold over 60million units at starting price of $300, so it knows it can reach a mass market at that price. My cieling for day 1 purchase is no more than $250, but I'm hoping to hold out for a drop to $200 or a 3DSLite, whichever comes first.
Also when an uninformed person walks into a store, a 3D phone comparison is not likely to be made, but htey will see Mario & Resident Evil in 3D along with a bunch of other games and possibly movies too(advertised a being watchable through download if not able to be physical sold for the 3DS). And the store s will likely have a 3DS internet kiosk somewhere to allow the 3DS internet access to show off it's VC selection, movies and internet capabilities. Ands since more and more people are owning smart phones, it also means that people are carrying mobile hotspots in their pockets. the 3DS not having it's own dedicated 3/4g connection built in with it's own monthly rate is not as big of a deal as most people think. For a little extra per month (cheaper than a separate 3/4g Plan) you can always have your own personal wifi spot active regardless of where you are as long as your cell phone is getting reception.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on November 23, 2010, 07:41:27 PM
PSP was never more than $250 (unless you count bundles).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on November 23, 2010, 08:14:12 PM
Oh my mistake.... FALSE ALARM. Go ahead and un-cancel those pre-orders. http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/04/mega-man-resident-evil-and-silpheed-go-glasses-free-3d-on-android-phone/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/11/04/mega-man-resident-evil-and-silpheed-go-glasses-free-3d-on-android-phone/) (http://i52.tinypic.com/eb391v.jpg)
3DS is many leagues above that visually and probably in battery life too.
That looks like the iPhone version of RE4 so I can only guess Capcom ported that to Android. In any case, have you ever played it? My friend had it on his iPod touch and it's flippin' awful. These kinds of games don't work without physical buttons.
Honestly, the only thing 3D screens on a phone does is increase the number of car accidents per year due to people focusing on the screen trying to center the 3D image.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 24, 2010, 02:55:37 AM
Mixing 3D with a touch screen ruins the effect, as you see depth but your finger can't go past the screen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 24, 2010, 11:50:42 AM
Mixing 3D with a touch screen ruins the effect, as you see depth but your finger can't go past the screen.
and that is where a rear touch pad comes in handy.
I don't know if that phone will have one, but I'm sure 3D screen is likely for PSP2 as a last minute addition if the 3DS is as BIG as Nintendo is hoping it will be.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on November 24, 2010, 12:00:58 PM
Yes, fingers will mess up the 3D effect, which is why the people who are going to focus most of their time on designing 3D interfaces are going to take that into account and design the UI so where you are pressing, is not also where you are viewing.
Besides, the main draw for 3D smartphones will be movies, pictures, and youtube/self created clips, all things where you won't be touching the screen to enjoy. It's not like they are going to inanely make text boxes or touchscreen dialpads in 3D.
Also, the next generation of autostereoscopic screens will have no dead zones. They are already in the testing phase, and will likely debut in late 2011.
Anyway, all I was saying is that people are more likely to buy a 3D smartphone to upgrade their existing one, than buy an entirely new device just to play videogames on the go. Yes the 3DS can do more, but it's all about perception.
If Nintendo knows what's good for them, they will leave no questions unanswered after CES. CES is the perfect place to get media hype for any cutting edge product(unless you're apple and do your own event). Next to the other autostereoscopic devices at CES, the 3DS will likely produce the best visuals making it the frontrunner for media fodder, but they need to tell everyone everything it can do, from AR to movie playback(Netflix?) to 3D pictures/video to youtube uploads to supermarket/ballpark/restaurant collaboration to whatever else it can do. Everything needs to be put on the table because any questions as to functionality will lead to questions about viability.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 25, 2010, 02:54:33 AM
GameStop opens Nintendo 3DS preorders in Canada, sets 20th March release and $299 price
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Are you one of the few Canadian folk who read this blog? Well if you’re super keen to preorder the Nintendo 3DS then you might be glad to know that GameStop and EB Games retailers throughout Canada are now accepting your reservations. It’s quite likely that they’re just guessing the data, but for now, the preorder listing has the Nintendo 3DS set for a 20th of March release date (which is a Sunday) and a price point of $299 CAD.
I'm still hoping for $249.99 US, but what is the current conversion of CAD to USD?
I also stopped some lady from rushing through Walmart tomorrow to buy the DSi for $150 or whatever they are selling it for. Told her the New DS is coming out in March so since she waited all this time (her daughter has a DSPhat) she might as well hold out for the 3DS. She also wasn't worried about the price since it comes out right around tax time, and I did warn her about hot it would cost atleast $100-$150 more.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on November 25, 2010, 10:15:02 AM
As of the time of this post, $1 US is $1.01 Canadian. So it's basically par.
I'm hoping they're overshooting the price and will refund anyone who pays in full or at least gives them a game and an accessory.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on November 25, 2010, 11:14:21 AM
GameStop opens Nintendo 3DS preorders in Canada, sets 20th March release and $299 price
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Are you one of the few Canadian folk who read this blog? Well if you’re super keen to preorder the Nintendo 3DS then you might be glad to know that GameStop and EB Games retailers throughout Canada are now accepting your reservations. It’s quite likely that they’re just guessing the data, but for now, the preorder listing has the Nintendo 3DS set for a 20th of March release date (which is a Sunday) and a price point of $299 CAD.
I'm still hoping for $249.99 US, but what is the current conversion of CAD to USD?
I also stopped some lady from rushing through Walmart tomorrow to buy the DSi for $150 or whatever they are selling it for. Told her the New DS is coming out in March so since she waited all this time (her daughter has a DSPhat) she might as well hold out for the 3DS. She also wasn't worried about the price since it comes out right around tax time, and I did warn her about hot it would cost atleast $100-$150 more.
Gamestop had a $25 minimum down payment on the DSi, so I wonder how much it will be for the 3DS?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on December 06, 2010, 05:58:50 PM
Apparently Pachter believes that the handheld market is fininshed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on December 07, 2010, 04:01:17 PM
Christ, Pachter's doing everything he can to make me actively despise him. His model of analysis is consistently proven to be off-track, but he still insists that "shiny hardware" is all it takes to sell videogames.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on December 07, 2010, 09:01:30 PM
I still don't get why people don't get the difference between real, full fledged games on the go and short, simple, casual games like Angry Birds. Angry Birds works because it's incredibly simple and costs 99cents on iOS4. Meanwhile, Dragon Quest IX works because it's about a billion hours long. I'm not playing DQIX on my iPhone. It can't happen. It won't happen. Ok, it COULD happen, but I still wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Guitar Smasher on December 08, 2010, 01:27:55 AM
I don't disagree that the portable market will suffer in the near-future, but it won't be at the hands of Apple. The 3DS is overshooting the market, and its high cost of entry will be responsible for its early struggles. The PSP2 will be hopeless unless it avoids having a library consisting of ports of console games - games which are not suited for portable experiences.
But Apple isn't in any position to really steal the conventional portable market. Face it, devs aren't going to develop PSP2/3DS quality games for iPhone and then charge 99 cents, when they can charge $40-50 on the other systems.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on December 08, 2010, 09:37:47 AM
Pachter isn't an analyst, he's a publicist who looks for whatever he can say that will get people talking about him. When the 3DS and PSP come out and do well, he'll retroactively change his opinion. This is not a person worth listening to or otherwise discussing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on December 08, 2010, 09:55:11 PM
According to a study by a market research group that nobody has heard of, nearly 3,000 people who have a smartphone and a DS or PSP only use their smartphone for games. Sell your Nintendo stocks and cancel your 3DS preorder while you still can.
No, he's an analyst. People and companies pay him a lot of money to advise them on what to invest in and to predict where the market is going. Now, I didn't say he was a good analyst, but he is an analyst nonetheless. ****, I wish I could get paid as much as he does to be wrong all the time.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on December 09, 2010, 07:00:13 PM
I think that's why companies pay him -- because they know he's always wrong. So it's just a simple thing to do the opposite.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KnowsNothing on December 09, 2010, 08:02:47 PM
FTA: "He added, 'I think the PSP2 is gonna be dead on arrival. It looks to me like young kids are just as happy playing with an iPod Touch or a Nano. The Touch is cool, it plays games, it plays music, they're gonna put a camera in it, you're gonna have all sorts of cool stuff.'"
Does anybody play games on the Nano? And doesn't the iPod Touch already have a camera in it? (the answer to that last one is yes, because I have taken pictures with my ipod touch)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on December 14, 2010, 01:34:56 PM
There's talk in the PSP2 thread about it playing PS3 games, but what the 3DS playing Wii games?
NWR has an article up about two One Piece games being ported to the 3DS, but what about continuing play? It would be pretty awesome if some games could be partially downloaded to the 3DS.
My idea is this; you reach a save point, connect your 3DS (wirelessly), and then you choose how much of the game you would like downloaded to the 3DS. Obviously this could only work for linear games, so RPG's and games like Metroid Prime are out, but what if for like NSMB you could download and play the next four levels or so.
The reason I say choose how much to download is because of the presumably limited internal storage and different people will have it filled to different degrees. It would also combat piracy since you couldn't download the whole game from a friend and play without pay, or otherwise pirate the game through the transfer.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on December 14, 2010, 02:19:51 PM
Until Nintendo comes out with a console/handheld hybrid (which they never will unless forced to), they'd much rather you buy two versions of the same game then being able to transfer it. That's why I don't hold much faith in Nintendo allowing us to transfer our VC titles that we already bought.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 14, 2010, 03:04:25 PM
VC is different. We should be able to transfer those since they should be attached to an account, but that's a whole different matter that we all agree on and has been discussed to death.
As for Wii/2 to 3DS continued play, you WILL have to own 2 version of the game that may let you transfer saves back and forth, but you WILL NOT be able to just copy over a portion of the Wii/2 game onto the 3DS to pick up where you left off.
Imagine if they started doing Videogame double packs like they do with Blurays and DVD's. Buy Final fantasy XX on Wii2 and get a 3DS copy packed in for continued play options! only $80 in stores this Tuesday.
That actually would be a pretty good idea if marketed right. Would entice 3DS owners to get a Wii2 or vice versa since they already have games for it.
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Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 14, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
Actually, Sony's done it before. I don't know if it's happened recently, but I remember a while back you could continue a Madden Franchise Mode game from the PS3 to the PSP and back.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on December 14, 2010, 08:56:01 PM
1-Up just did an article about which sequels should be on the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 16, 2010, 03:14:03 PM
European 3DS plans to be unveiled Jan 19th? http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42255/Euro-3DS-announcement-next-month (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42255/Euro-3DS-announcement-next-month)
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Nintendo reveals details of Amsterdam gathering, suggesting 3DS plans are soon to be unveiled
Platform holder Nintendo will reveal its launch plans for new handheld the 3DS at a media event in Amsterdam on January 19th, MCV believes.
Invites for the still mysterious gathering have been sent out to the press this morning.
It’s expected that details will include a firm launch date and price for the 3DS, as well as the day one launch line-up.
Hey Easycure, Stogi....
European Roadtrip!?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on December 16, 2010, 03:26:23 PM
European 3DS plans to be unveiled Jan 19th? http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42255/Euro-3DS-announcement-next-month (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42255/Euro-3DS-announcement-next-month)
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Nintendo reveals details of Amsterdam gathering, suggesting 3DS plans are soon to be unveiled
Platform holder Nintendo will reveal its launch plans for new handheld the 3DS at a media event in Amsterdam on January 19th, MCV believes.
Invites for the still mysterious gathering have been sent out to the press this morning.
It’s expected that details will include a firm launch date and price for the 3DS, as well as the day one launch line-up.
Hey Easycure, Stogi....
European Roadtrip!?
Count me in, too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 16, 2010, 03:53:58 PM
KDR can go along too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on December 16, 2010, 04:18:59 PM
We have the works of a summer comedy at hand it seems.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on December 17, 2010, 01:36:17 PM
@BnM
haha Hell yeah! We should hatch a lit'le scheme to snatch one those systems (and hopefully, the hot chick it's attached to).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on December 17, 2010, 09:12:55 PM
Apparently, Macronix (the company that supplies Nintendo with DS and 3DS game cards) revealed that 3DS card will hold between 1GB to 8GB. The original link is in Japanese so here's the news story from GoNintendo (http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=145313)
Some people are worried that 8GB won't be enough which is silly. I doubt many games on 3DS will use the full 8GB maximum. For comparison's sake, a PSP UMD holds 1.8GB of storage and there are no dual-UMD games. In fact, I wonder if any 3DS game will ever need a card that large. Now, if Nintendo used cards for their next console.......
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 17, 2010, 11:15:40 PM
Most Wii and Xbox 360 games aren't even 8GB, people are crazy if they think that wouldn't be enough. I don't think we will get those sizes anytime soon though, remember how long it took for us to get the bigger DS cards. The bigger the storage size, the more expensive it is for the publisher.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 18, 2010, 01:35:08 AM
There may be some direct porting of games from PS360 to 3DS with some 3D added, so that may need some of the larger cart sizes.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 18, 2010, 10:05:02 AM
The cost difference due to storage size is negligible. I'm sure it costs just as much for them to produce the 1GB flash chip as it does the 8GB chip. You see substantial differences in retail because of greed mainly, and because companies want you to believe that say an 8GB SD card is more valuable than a 4GB SD card (okay, the 32GB and 64GB cards do actually cost more to make for the time being, but that cost drops every day). A lot of 360 games don't hit the ~6GB size limit (about 1GB is reserved for the video partition/system updates included on disc) for several reasons though - one would be that they have pre-set compression routines for FMVs, etc, so they don't increase bitrates or anything like that just for the sake of filling up the disc. Also keep in mind the 3DS has 2 screens (like the DS of course), and the top screen is 800x240 (400x240 for each eye), and the PSP's screen is 480x272, IIRC (and I do), so FMVs will be twice as big as they are on PSP, arguably. I can't see any reason why the (much needed) storage increase could be considered a bad thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 18, 2010, 10:19:41 AM
I have heard multiple developers say they used the smaller DS cards because it was a lot cheaper. Publishers will always try to save money by doing stuff like using as small of a card size as they need (so if the game is about 2.1 GB, they won't use a 4GB card).
Who said that larger card sizes was bad?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 20, 2010, 06:53:13 PM
European 3DS plans to be unveiled Jan 19th? http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42255/Euro-3DS-announcement-next-month (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42255/Euro-3DS-announcement-next-month)
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Nintendo reveals details of Amsterdam gathering, suggesting 3DS plans are soon to be unveiled
Platform holder Nintendo will reveal its launch plans for new handheld the 3DS at a media event in Amsterdam on January 19th, MCV believes.
Invites for the still mysterious gathering have been sent out to the press this morning.
It’s expected that details will include a firm launch date and price for the 3DS, as well as the day one launch line-up.
3DS event in New York City on January 19th Too http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/106200-Rumor-3DS-Details-Likely-On-January-19
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Similar invites have gone out to North American gaming press about an event in New York City on January 19. Nintendo has been mum about the specific North American and European release dates for the 3DS so far, so it isn't hard to guess what it could be announcing at these events.
Easycure.....
hope you got some room on the couch ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 20, 2010, 07:15:41 PM
I guess the rumors of them giving more info on the 3DS are now likely true since they are having media events in both North America and Europe on the same day.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on December 22, 2010, 06:45:20 PM
The difference is that there are other brands operating in that space – and we’re really excited about the positioning of the product and what it can achieve. It’s the world’s first mass-market, portable, 3D device, without glasses. Buried within that one sentence are some huge factors that will bring about big changes. It’s a great opportunity to explode 3D onto the wider marketplace
And when they say we can expect for Nintendo to do things differently I hope they mean actually have a real online set up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on December 26, 2010, 12:03:32 AM
We will find out... in January. Yet the 3DS was made with third parties in mind, so someone must have said online needed to be better.
Even Iwata admitted their current online offerings suck, so like the Wii Storage Problem (which... is still kind of broken ho hum) we should get a fix.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: EasyCure on December 26, 2010, 04:09:49 PM
European 3DS plans to be unveiled Jan 19th? http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42255/Euro-3DS-announcement-next-month (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/42255/Euro-3DS-announcement-next-month)
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Nintendo reveals details of Amsterdam gathering, suggesting 3DS plans are soon to be unveiled
Platform holder Nintendo will reveal its launch plans for new handheld the 3DS at a media event in Amsterdam on January 19th, MCV believes.
Invites for the still mysterious gathering have been sent out to the press this morning.
It’s expected that details will include a firm launch date and price for the 3DS, as well as the day one launch line-up.
3DS event in New York City on January 19th Too http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/106200-Rumor-3DS-Details-Likely-On-January-19
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Similar invites have gone out to North American gaming press about an event in New York City on January 19. Nintendo has been mum about the specific North American and European release dates for the 3DS so far, so it isn't hard to guess what it could be announcing at these events.
Easycure.....
hope you got some room on the couch ;)
You know, A PM about anything going in in NYC would be appreciated. I had fifteen minute before my wii batteries recharge, decided to check out the forums, wandered in here (which I rarely do since I don't follow handhelds as much as I do consoles) and bam, good news! If I didn't happen to have the forum up, i might not of read that post until January 20th dammit!
Hm... invites sent out to gaming press eh? Hey Neal, if you can't make it I don't mind being NWR's Official NYC Correspondent Stand-in for a day..
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 26, 2010, 05:29:44 PM
GameStop started taking pre-orders today
$50 down SKU - 020132 (just incase they can't find it in their system)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 26, 2010, 05:44:58 PM
Yeah, I heard a GS employee say that earlier. I don't think I will pre-order it, though I do intend to pick it up at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on December 28, 2010, 04:40:26 PM
Pilot Wings Resort (http://ds.ign.com/objects/077/077812.html) (Nintendo)
AR Games (Nintendo)
Nintendo 3DS Camera (Nintendo)
Not Playable
Resident Evil Mercenaries 3D (Capcom)
Super Monkey Ball 3D (Sega)
Kingdom Hearts 3D (Square Enix)
Gundam The 3D Battle (Namco Bandai)
Tales of the Abyss (Namco Bandai)
One Piece Unlimited Cruise SP (Namco Bandai)
Cubic Ninja (AQ Interactive)
Tobidasu Puzzle Bobble 3D (Square Enix)
Pro Baseball Famisuta 2011 (Namco Bandai)
Animal Resort (Marvelous Entertainment)
Xevious (Namco Bandai/Nintendo)
3D Beauty Clock (Bijin Tokei)
Star Fox 64 3D (Nintendo)
Paper Mario (Nintendo)
Animal Crossing (Nintendo)
Mario Kart (Nintendo)
Nintendo 3DS Camera (Nintendo)
Mii Plaza (Nintendo)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 28, 2010, 05:05:20 PM
Wait, why is Nintendo 3DS Camera listed under both Playable and Not Playable?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Peachylala on December 28, 2010, 07:58:09 PM
Some units may have automatic demos, other may not...?
Goddamn it why is March so far away?!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: EasyCure on December 28, 2010, 08:49:39 PM
I HAVE to get some hands on time..
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 03, 2011, 10:05:53 AM
3dsbuzz.com has obtained some pictures of a 3DS allegedly pulled off the production line by a Chinese factory worker. (I can't link from my phone so Google it)
There are three interesting tidbits from the article: 1. The home, start, and select buttons now sit flush within the screen's bezel. 2. The 3DS uses a 1300mAh battery compared to DS's 1000mAh and DSi's 840mAh. 3. It has 96MB of RAM, not the 64MB IGN's "reliable source" was so confident about.
So, even with such a huge battery Nintendo wants people to charge the 3DS every night.
Also, since the RAM prediction was low (but still not as high as I thought it would be) it is possible the 266Mhz ARM11 and 200 Mhz (?) Pica GPU may have also been lowballed.
In a few days leaks from Nintendo's closed door meetings at CES and their press events will answer those questions, but for now just thought I'd offer this to those who like me are hungry for 3DS info.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on January 03, 2011, 10:24:46 AM
3dsbuzz.com has obtained some pictures of a 3DS allegedly pulled off the production line by a Chinese factory worker. (I can't link from my phone so Google it)
There are three interesting tidbits from the article: 1. The home, start, and select buttons now sit flush within the screen's bezel. 2. The 3DS uses a 1300mAh battery compared to DS's 1000mAh and DSi's 840mAh. 3. It has 96MB of RAM, not the 64MB IGN's "reliable source" was so confident about.
So, even with such a huge battery Nintendo wants people to charge the 3DS every night.
Also, since the RAM prediction was low (but still not as high as I thought it would be) it is possible the 266Mhz ARM11 and 200 Mhz (?) Pica GPU may have also been lowballed.
In a few days leaks from Nintendo's closed door meetings at CES and their press events will answer those questions, but for now just thought I'd offer this to those who like me are hungry for 3DS info.
The pics are great, there are size comparison pics of all the whole DS family as well as a GB Micro. There's also a short video, but the unit isn't on. It looks good though. I'm glad it's a bit smaller than the DSi. I can't wait to get my hands on one! Here's the link: http://www.3dsbuzz.com/chinese-factory-worker-leaks-photos-of-3ds/
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on January 03, 2011, 10:28:02 AM
I hope there's at least one more colour they will release the 3DS as, but that black looks nice. It looks like a nice solid system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2011, 04:33:38 PM
The one thing they need to change on the 3DS is the slidepad. Change it back to the color of the system and everything will be perfect (except for how the top half sits on the bottom when closed).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on January 03, 2011, 04:48:57 PM
I kinda like how the analog stick is a different color.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2011, 04:56:20 PM
I think it sticks out like a sore thumb, especially on the lighter colors.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on January 03, 2011, 04:57:58 PM
Yeah but that's the point isn't it?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2011, 05:01:52 PM
I don't know. I just thought Nintendo was being cheap more so than trying to make you notice the analog slider. Hopefully there are colored nub covers for those that prefer it to not stand out so much.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2011, 05:09:35 PM
It's still glossy. Gah.....
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 03, 2011, 05:52:34 PM
I plan to put skins and and a platic shield on my 3DS because I have done it to all the regular DS systems that I have owned and it is kind of a tradition. I will not have to worry about the glossy finish, but I would have prefered matte like the DSi.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 03, 2011, 06:57:50 PM
I liked the system colored nub as well, but it would only really work for Nintendo if they were only going to release one color system. It would be too expensive otherwise, and the system is presumably quite expensive enough.
Also, a cover for the nub might prevent the 3DS from closing properly as there doesn't seem to be much extra space on the system.
That video wasn't up when I first saw the article, and it was presumably stolen before the firmware was uploaded, which might explain why it didn't turn on according to Engadget.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 03, 2011, 08:14:48 PM
I just hope the 3DS is $200 when it is released.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on January 03, 2011, 09:26:53 PM
And I want $25000 to fall from my ceiling and land in my wallet. I suspect we'll both be disappointed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 03, 2011, 10:27:12 PM
As long as we're making unreasonable wishes, I'll take the recently single Scarlett Johanssen please!
No but seriously... I said please :)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on January 04, 2011, 02:22:58 AM
I'll take the recently single Scarlett Johanssen please!
No but seriously... I said please :)
Applauded.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on January 04, 2011, 11:27:01 PM
Somebody smuggled the 3DS out of a Chinese factory, video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu64QDf7v1o
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 05, 2011, 12:21:09 AM
Assuming that isn't fake (which I suspect it is), Nintendo will probably find out where that was stolen from and sue both the factory and the person.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on January 05, 2011, 12:33:45 AM
The big reveal is the system counts up 96mb of RAM.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 05, 2011, 12:54:09 AM
I was hoping 128MB would be the magic number. Assuming 96MB is all but confirmed, I hope it's enough for online voice chat... assuming, of course, that Nintendo planned for online voice chat which if they didn't would be a major facepalm.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on January 05, 2011, 12:58:50 AM
So the 3DS has more RAM than the Wii. That is all kinds of ridiculous awesome
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on January 05, 2011, 01:42:47 AM
It says 96mb in the BIOS. Some speculate that it 128mb with 32mb reserved for OS because it would be cheaper for one 128mb chip than a 32mb and 64mb chip.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 05, 2011, 02:41:45 AM
That 3DS looks really cool and the more I see it the more I want it!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 05, 2011, 03:12:37 AM
not to interrupt conversation, but you do realize that MJ posted this news on the previous page right?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: stevey on January 05, 2011, 12:08:13 PM
I was hoping for around 88~128MB so this is amazing, Nintendo went as high as they ever were going to.
It says 96mb in the BIOS. Some speculate that it 128mb with 32mb reserved for OS because it would be cheaper for one 128mb chip than a 32mb and 64mb chip.
There's no way any 'OS' Nintendo is going to consider using is going to eat up that much. Much more likely it's 2 chips with the 32MB of ram is going to be the main game ram that's lighting fast and the 64MB is some cheap slow ram needed for the other non-gaming stuff Nintendo going to try to pull off (internet, video playback, emulators, etc). Which is also going to be a godsend for homebrew :faust:
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 06, 2011, 05:29:30 PM
CNET has a little hands on from CES:http://ces.cnet.com/8301-32254_1-20027616-283.html (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-32254_1-20027616-283.html)
I know it's not much, but if you're dying for 3DS info like I am, you'll appreciate it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 06, 2011, 05:40:29 PM
March can't come soon enough. Neither can January 19 so we can find out the exact release date and price, and dates for games (I would have liked Paper Mario at launch, but I know there is almost no chance of that).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ROiDS on January 06, 2011, 07:12:06 PM
It's funny that I just finished watching three videos that have Nintendo in it XD
Here's Reggie talking about the 3DS on CNBC: http://ingame.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/06/5777963-nintendo-president-talks-up-3ds-sidesteps-wii-question
Nintendo World 2011 Nintendo 3DS events commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhb2gkwdV7M
Mega Man Legends 3 Project Devroom Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1TPP-U6lb8
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 06, 2011, 10:59:51 PM
With strong photo and video software Nintendo can make a good showing with the general population, which is why they should be on the floor at CES.
Besides that $300 is going to look cheap/too good to be true next to some of the other 3D devices coming out. I don't recall them giving megapixel info on the cameras but I hope it's in the 5-9 range. That puts it in league with other glasses-free cameras coming out after the 3DS. With the added functionality and great games the 3DS is going to look very good come Christmas time.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 06, 2011, 11:16:42 PM
I really hope they partner with Netflix to have streaming 3D movies, at no extra charge. That would help sell a lot of units.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 06, 2011, 11:25:10 PM
With strong photo and video software Nintendo can make a good showing with the general population, which is why they should be on the floor at CES.
Besides that $300 is going to look cheap/too good to be true next to some of the other 3D devices coming out. I don't recall them giving megapixel info on the cameras but I hope it's in the 5-9 range. That puts it in league with other glasses-free cameras coming out after the 3DS. With the added functionality and great games the 3DS is going to look very good come Christmas time.
I think the cameras where mentioned to be in the range of 1mp which would be in line with the resolution of the 3DS screens. Nintendo will not surpass the resolution of the screens for the camera unless they are planning some video out features, which I seriously doubt they are.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 06, 2011, 11:28:45 PM
Would anyone care if I made a thred for games that should appear on the 3DS virtual console? I promise there will be no mentionof the "R" word, or atleast on my part.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 06, 2011, 11:47:29 PM
Gamecube & GBA were tested in 3D..... GC using a 3D version of Luigis Mansion that Nintendo planned on releasing with the GC 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 07, 2011, 03:45:59 AM
That blows about the cameras.
Maybe they'll surprise us... This is a new day in electronics and video games (partly led by Nintendo) where such things are more widespread and thus the competition is broader. Hopefully Nintendo realizes this and is serious with all these statements they'ved made, especially Reggie's most recent saying that the 3DS would change the way people consume 3D content, or something to that effect. To do that, they'll need more than just connectivity to other 3DSs. Video out could be possible through Wii connectivity, but direct video out would be better, maybe over WifiDirect. It only needs one device to have WifiDirect so if either the 3DS or a T.V or computer had it, it could be possible.
Maybe the 3DS will be more about display 3D content rather than capturing it, which is a shame because that could be a huge feature. Maybe they'll pull an Apple and make a new device every 12-18 months with small upgrade like better cameras and system colored nubs. (That's a joke. Then again, maybe not...)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on January 07, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
I've been out of the loop for awhile....have they said anything else about DAH MOVIES?
Title: 3DS battery last 3-5hrs
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 08, 2011, 02:27:10 AM
3DS Battery To Last for 3-5hrs in 3D Mode Regular DS mode is 5-8hrs. 3.5 hrs to fully charge battery. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/hardware/spec/index.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/hardware/spec/index.html)
Quote from: Google Translated
Nintendo 3DS approximately three hours to five hours if you play soft Nintendo DS when you play our games for about 5 hours to 8 hours The battery life varies depending on the brightness of the screen ※. ※ The approximate battery life. May be less depending on operating conditions.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 08, 2011, 02:42:46 AM
Looks like the 3DS continues the Nintendo handheld tradition of the first version having a major flaw that gets fixed when the next one comes out in. Gives me a good reason to just wait until the 3DS Lite comes out because you know that increased battery life will be the big selling point for it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 08, 2011, 03:28:35 AM
5min DOA Dimensions trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80u2vbr5rGU&feature=player_embedded#!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 08, 2011, 04:59:53 AM
The only problem for me is how long it takes to recharge. Averaging 4 hours of 3D gameplay isn't terrible, it's just not typical of Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on January 08, 2011, 06:37:38 AM
With strong photo and video software Nintendo can make a good showing with the general population, which is why they should be on the floor at CES.
Besides that $300 is going to look cheap/too good to be true next to some of the other 3D devices coming out. I don't recall them giving megapixel info on the cameras but I hope it's in the 5-9 range. That puts it in league with other glasses-free cameras coming out after the 3DS. With the added functionality and great games the 3DS is going to look very good come Christmas time.
I think the cameras where mentioned to be in the range of 1mp which would be in line with the resolution of the 3DS screens. Nintendo will not surpass the resolution of the screens for the camera unless they are planning some video out features, which I seriously doubt they are.
Mmm, video out would be amazing. Improbable but amazing. Imagine if they got a way for it to run on a real 3D TV or something. Maybe partner with one of the glasses-free 3D TV companies or something for a dual launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 08, 2011, 10:14:01 AM
The only problem for me is how long it takes to recharge. Averaging 4 hours of 3D gameplay isn't terrible, it's just not typical of Nintendo.
Nintendo is very conservative when it comes to stuff like battery estimates. Even so, that is probably if you have the 3D at max and screen brightness at max.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: SixthAngel on January 08, 2011, 11:10:23 AM
This is the same amount of time Nintendo says the DSi lasts on max brightness. Its typical Nintendo to give us the lowest battery estimate possible.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 08, 2011, 02:29:19 PM
Here are my E3 2011 predictions for the 3DS:
Super Smash Brothers 3DS Zelda 3DS Metroid 3DS Mario 3DS
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 08, 2011, 04:20:12 PM
PCMagazine has posted impressions from time with the 3DS at CES along with a short video.
One important thing in the article was that the 3D slider is used to find a personal 3D "sweet spot" as people with different eyesight will see 3D differently. I never knew that, and as they say in the video, it separates Nintendo hugely from other 3D displays. They also mention in the video that certain games will benefit from less or more 3D. They say Pilotwings benefits from more because more 3D allows you to see more depth when flying down long planes (not airplanes lol).
The article mentions 3D AR (my favorite feature) and what I found especially interesting was the 3DS measures the distant between the card and itself in real-time, and the particular card he was looking at folded itself into a box as if pieces of the table came up and closed in around it. Like I said 3D AR is my favorite new feature (without using it anyway) so I'm excited to hear about the table itself being used, and I hope it is as it sounds, and different patterned table will result in different boxes. The table itself was used again when a hole later appeared in it after he shot stuff at a dragon that popped out of the box, then the top of the table became trampoline-like.
He spoke with Reggie who said older children shouldn't play for more than half an hour. The journalist asked him what about movies, and he said parents would have to use their best judgement. Reggie also confirmed it's not a phone...
I'm sure lots of other people will be releasing impressions, and NWRs Kid Icarus impressions were also good, but a little critical considering we're at least 5 months from the finished product. All these people who aren't me getting to use the 3DS are making me jealous. :(
Edit: Typo, and I just also thought that it would be cool if different tables/surfaces the card rests on also breeds different dragons, perhaps even different difficulties.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: the_dan_x on January 09, 2011, 08:26:11 AM
Well, I'm actually fortunate enough to have some free time here in Japan to attend Nintendo World 2011 yesterday (01/08). I got to play the 3DS firsthand and I can say that it's pretty awesome. For most of the games that were out on the show floor, the 3D effect was used pretty well. My biggest beef had to be with the 3DS camera. It's not that the 3D effect didn't work. I think it worked wonderfully. I can honestly say that my eyes hurt after using it. My eyes suck and I've worn glasses since I was a first grader, but I think if the resolution would have been a bit better, this would not have happened. *shrugs* That's my opinion anyway.
Right now, I'm kind of working on some write ups of my own about what I think about the games that I played at the show (almost all of them). I'd be willing to answer any kinds of questions that you guys may have about actually playing the device. I'm just like you, but I'm just living in Japan and had a chance to play this thing, which is what the 3DS is all about.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on January 09, 2011, 02:06:42 PM
How does the slide pad feel? Did you try the Dpad? Was it akward?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2011, 03:24:48 PM
3DS Games Trailer from the Nintendo World Show in Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5GdDwripjE
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: the_dan_x on January 10, 2011, 01:57:16 AM
How does the slide pad feel? Did you try the Dpad? Was it akward?
I thought the slide pad felt awesome. Your thumb fits pretty flush on it, and it's just easy to move. A heck of a lot better designed the the PSP analog nub. I did not get to use the d-pad too terribly, much. I tried to use it in Super Street Fighter, but positioning of it felt odd and a bit uncomfortable to me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on January 10, 2011, 04:36:44 AM
3DS Games Trailer from the Nintendo World Show in Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5GdDwripjE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5GdDwripjE)
Video is already pulled. That is bull. It shows off their products to people! I know its the same old tired argument but I'm sick to death of it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 10, 2011, 07:56:13 PM
Nice video of Starfox 64 3D: http://gamerant.com/starfox-3ds-video-tao-60515/ (http://gamerant.com/starfox-3ds-video-tao-60515/) And these guys have images of what looks to be final box art: http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/nintendo-3ds-launch-titles-box-art/ (http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/nintendo-3ds-launch-titles-box-art/)
And I read on some Australian site that Nintendogs + Cats will have an augmented reality feature that allows you to view your dogs or cats in your surroundings in 3D. It says they'll understand where the walls are???
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 10, 2011, 08:16:53 PM
That literally still looks like an N64 game. Did Nintendo actually remake this or just clean up the fuzzy textures? Ocarina of Time 3D looks pretty subpar as well. It would have been nice if they remade the graphics to look similar to Skyward Sword. That's probably asking too much of Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 10, 2011, 08:28:09 PM
To be fair, the textures and some of the geometry are much improved over the original, but yeah, Starfox and Zelda both could look better. I'm more excited for new games than remakes.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: that Baby guy on January 10, 2011, 08:35:10 PM
And keep in mind it's being recorded through a single-lens photo-camera through a glass panel. It isn't the optimal video conditions. In person, it looks much sharper than the Nintendo 64 original.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Arbok on January 10, 2011, 08:51:48 PM
That's good to hear... but the pop-up is still pretty bad. Couldn't they have at least fixed that, as it's one of the more derided aspects of the N64 era (along with the "fog" games like Turok used to try and cover it up).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 10, 2011, 10:09:34 PM
I was referring specifically to these (http://www.the-magicbox.com/1101/game110108b.shtml) Ocarina of Time 3D screenshots.
I look at something like Resident Evil Revelations and **** my pants.... then wonder how in the Flying Spaghetti Monster it's possible for Zelda to look the way it does on the same system. Nintendo is just not trying and it's painfully obvious here. I'm disappointed but not really all that surprised considering Super Mario All-Stars on the Wii was a straight port.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 10, 2011, 10:46:57 PM
I was referring specifically to these (http://www.the-magicbox.com/1101/game110108b.shtml) Ocarina of Time 3D screenshots.
I look at something like Resident Evil Revelations and **** my pants.... then wonder how in the Flying Spaghetti Monster it's possible for Zelda to look the way it does on the same system. Nintendo is just not trying and it's painfully obvious here. I'm disappointed but not really all that surprised considering Super Mario All-Stars on the Wii was a straight port.
Nintendo did say that the 3DS was made with third parties in mind, but Nintendo does have a habit of pushing their system's graphics far beyond that of third parties, so I would wait and see how Nintendo uses the 3DS at its full potential. Just wait and see what they do with an actual original 3DS Zelda game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 11, 2011, 01:03:52 AM
I'm having a hard time understanding what you're suggesting. Are you saying that it's okay that Nintendo cleaned up some textures and added 3D to a couple of N64 games just because original entries in those series will look awesome whenever they come out (which, honestly, isn't even a guarantee)? I don't have to "wait and see" for Nintendo to do better with 3DS because I flat-out know they're capable of better. While I'd rather Nintendo work on original titles, if they absolutely feel the need to revisit these classics, I'd rather they go all out and remake them from the ground up. Nintendo just polished the textures a little bit while Konami, of all companies, completely rebuilt Snake Eater. It looks amazing, the extra effort is clearly evident. Next to other 3DS games, Nintendo's offerings are subpar efforts. Sad thing is that they'll likely trounce pretty much every 3rd party offering on the console sales wise. This may end up backfiring on Nintendo. 3rd parties put all this extra work into their games only to get their asses handed to them by Nintendo second-rate port jobs. The discouraging, not to mention insulting. It sets a bad precedent. Why try when Nintendo themselves won't? Ultimately, us gamers end up with shittier games.
It's strange. Nintendo pulls off this Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde routine all the time. On one hand, we have the Nintendo pushes the boundaries, innovates, and even trashes months of development when something isn't working or fun. That's why we get games like Super Mario Galaxy or even the original N64 Ocarina of Time. On the other, we have the Nintendo that rehashes old games, sells them strictly for profit, sometimes at full or near full price (i.e. Super Mario Advance). I prefer the former. I wouldn't mind Nintendo double dipping and remaking old games so much if they at least acted like they gave a **** and weren't just grabbing for cash. No, I don't have to buy the ports and I probably won't, but it's still disappointing and I can't help but feel a little let down as a Nintendo fan, especially one who thinks these games deserve better. Nintendo keeps giving me reasons to not buy 3DS sooner rather than later. If Nintendo completely remade Ocarina of Time with Skyward Sword's art style, or even Twilight Princess' art style and refined the gameplay to reflect some of the later games in the series, I'd probably buy it without question. Oh well. Le sigh.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 11, 2011, 01:37:41 AM
I'm having a hard time understanding what you're suggesting. Are you saying that it's okay that Nintendo cleaned up some textures and added 3D to a couple of N64 games just because original entries in those series will look awesome whenever they come out (which, honestly, isn't even a guarantee)? I don't have to "wait and see" for Nintendo to do better with 3DS because I flat-out know they're capable of better. While I'd rather Nintendo work on original titles, if they absolutely feel the need to revisit these classics, I'd rather they go all out and remake them from the ground up. Nintendo just polished the textures a little bit while Konami, of all companies, completely rebuilt Snake Eater. It looks amazing, the extra effort is clearly evident. Next to other 3DS games, Nintendo's offerings are subpar efforts. Sad thing is that they'll likely trounce pretty much every 3rd party offering on the console sales wise. This may end up backfiring on Nintendo. 3rd parties put all this extra work into their games only to get their asses handed to them by Nintendo second-rate port jobs. The discouraging, not to mention insulting. It sets a bad precedent. Why try when Nintendo themselves won't? Ultimately, us gamers end up with shittier games.
It's strange. Nintendo pulls off this Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde routine all the time. On one hand, we have the Nintendo pushes the boundaries, innovates, and even trashes months of development when something isn't working or fun. That's why we get games like Super Mario Galaxy or even the original N64 Ocarina of Time. On the other, we have the Nintendo that rehashes old games, sells them strictly for profit, sometimes at full or near full price (i.e. Super Mario Advance). I prefer the former. I wouldn't mind Nintendo double dipping and remaking old games so much if they at least acted like they gave a **** and weren't just grabbing for cash. No, I don't have to buy the ports and I probably won't, but it's still disappointing and I can't help but feel a little let down as a Nintendo fan, especially one who thinks these games deserve better. Nintendo keeps giving me reasons to not buy 3DS sooner rather than later. If Nintendo completely remade Ocarina of Time with Skyward Sword's art style, or even Twilight Princess' art style and refined the gameplay to reflect some of the later games in the series, I'd probably buy it without question. Oh well. Le sigh.
Overall I am pissed at the whole launch line up for the 3DS because all of the good titles that represent the strength of the console are MIA on the release date. If I do buy the system in March, I feel as I am paying for just another iteration of the DS and that what I will use it for until Kid Icarus and Revelations come out. Althoug if the virtual console is good enough then I might be enticed enough to rebuild my GBA collection after it was stolen. Oh, wait, that's right! The 3DS does not have GBA VC yet. I would love to have Minish Cap on that system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on January 11, 2011, 02:39:56 PM
Don't know if this was discussed, but there seems to be some sort of rewards system. But to me it sounds nothing like the Achievements system.
http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=14844
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According to reports from Nintendo World the 3DS will feature a reward system similar to Xbox Achievements and PS3 Trophies. While Nintendo has yet to official detail a rewards system for the 3DS several reports from this weekend's Nintendo World event in Japan suggest that one has been implemented into the upcoming handheld. According to Palgn (http://palgn.com.au/nintendo-3ds/17961/rumour-nintendo-3ds-reward-system-detailed/?) a coins based reward system appears to be part of the 3DS software. The inbuilt pedometer will be used to earn coins as players walk with their 3DS, which in turn can be exchanged to unlock bonus content in games. All developers will have access to this universal reward system and the coins earned can be used in any game, rather than being limited to the game you earn them in. The use of the pedometer for the reward system is likely to work alongside the handheld's 'tag' mode, whereby if two people with a 3DS pass each other they automatically exchange system and game information. Expect more details about the system from Nintendo soon but for now what do you think of this reward system? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section below.
Now I see this article says similar to the PS3 and XBOX systems, but maybe my reading comprehension is off. Seems I only get coins from physical travel and not from putting in 100 hours in Dragon Quest.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 11, 2011, 03:04:38 PM
While intrigued by the reward system idea, the walking around thing is a little stupid because I'm sure the pedometer could be fooled by simply shaking the 3DS.
At least they're trying I guess.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 11, 2011, 03:39:16 PM
Yeah they are trying... trying too hard to not use the already established system. Achievements and Trophies are fine the way they are and if Nintendo wanted to add to that system by also awarding carrying around the system, then great, but to completely ignore ingame achievements because it's already been done is just Nintendo trying to re-invent the wheel yet again like they tried to do with friend codes.
Nintendo; adapt/adopt, innovate and improve, but stop trying to be different just for differents sake. It annoying.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 11, 2011, 03:48:59 PM
This isn't an achievement system. This is real-life RPG grinding (ie. no achievement in that).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 11, 2011, 03:51:36 PM
Looks like the 3DS is Region Coded afterall http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25352365&postcount=1 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25352365&postcount=1) http://www.ruliweb.com/ruliboard/read.htm?num=30071&table=game_nds&main=nds (http://www.ruliweb.com/ruliboard/read.htm?num=30071&table=game_nds&main=nds)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 11, 2011, 03:56:48 PM
Hold on. It says similar to the DSi and DSi XL, which are NOT region coded. At most, all this says is that 3DSWare games will be region coded (like DSiWare are), that says nothing about retail games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 11, 2011, 03:58:57 PM
I'm pretty sure developers have the option of region-locking DSi-exclusive retail games in addition to digitally distributed content.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 11, 2011, 04:02:16 PM
I have never heard of any retail game on DS (including DSi) ever being region locked. I don't know if it's possible, but I don't think it has happened and I would be shocked if 3DS changes that and becomes the first Nintendo handheld to have region locked retail games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 11, 2011, 04:08:10 PM
I have never heard of any retail game on DS (including DSi) ever being region locked. I don't know if it's possible, but I don't think it has happened and I would be shocked if 3DS changes that and becomes the first Nintendo handheld to have region locked retail games.
You haven't heard of it because there have barely been any retail DSi exclusives. Nintendo, however, has explicitly said the DSi is region locked, both downloadable and retail. (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=198728)
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Nintendo has issued a statement to CVG to clarify the confusion over the region-based restrictions on the new DSi.
"DSi software (software that is only compatible with DSi) is region locked, eg: European DSi software can only be played on European DSi consoles," a Nintendo spokesperson has told CVG.
They confirmed that this means BOTH download-able games and future DSi-only cartridge-based games would be region locked.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 11, 2011, 04:09:11 PM
I thought all DSi exclusive games were region locked. Which would include all retail DSi exclusive games. edit: beaten by post while I was posting.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 11, 2011, 04:13:18 PM
I still would not consider that confirmation since it comes from a e-mail rep, who are not exactly the most reliable source of info. We won't know for sure until either Nintendo officially comments on it or until somebody can test it out themselves.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on January 11, 2011, 06:05:02 PM
Hmmm reading all this is pretty exciting.
3-5 hours? That's a bit disappointing. I wasn't planning on buying 3DS at launch anyway (waiting for more colors), but I think I'll wait till they fix that problem too.
Re-hash games? The graphics aren't that bad. Seriously. Yes they could have completely redone every texture in that enormous game (OOT), but I think that would have been a wasted effort, strictly through a cost/benefit analyses. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I for one, am more excited by Star Fox because 3D in that game makes perfect sense.
Achievements? I never ever enjoyed achievements. I understand the point of them, but they never actually give you anything as a reward. I'm not talking about the right to brag or that complete-tionist feeling. I'm talking about extra levels or new outfits or something. Nintendo's idea of achievements is more in line with something I would have came up with from a gamer/business stand point. I want people to take their 3DS everywhere. I want them to have a reason to open it up everyday to see if something new is available. I want people to feel like they are being rewarded for doing those things.
Don't really have an opinion of it being region locked. I'm more concerned about firmware updates, in the respect that it might become like the PSP or any home console.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 11, 2011, 06:11:25 PM
Achievements? I never ever enjoyed achievements. I understand the point of them, but they never actually give you anything as a reward. I'm not talking about the right to brag or that complete-tionist feeling. I'm talking about extra levels or new outfits or something.
To be fair, some Xbox 360 games have let you unlock stuff for your Avatar by getting certain achievements. It's not that common, but it is possible.
I do hope firmware updates are rare, I think the DSi has only had one.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 11, 2011, 06:25:27 PM
@BnM I wholly agree with your sentiments after my last post. They do a lot of good things with their desire to innovate, but being different for the sake of being different, is rather annoying.
I forget who mentioned it, but I also forgot about StreetPass and Nintendo wanting everyone to carry their 3DS everywhere, so I somewhat retract my statement, but it can still be fooled.
@TJ Why would you want firmware updates to be rare? Unless you're jailbreaking your system (or have a PS3), firmware updates typically improve the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 11, 2011, 06:28:31 PM
I meant rare as not to often, Sony has had dozens of PS3 updates and it just gets annoying having to download them all the time (especially the ones that do little other than stop homebrew and don't actually improve the system). I am all for firmware updates that improve the system or add features.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: oohhboy on January 11, 2011, 07:14:29 PM
Ok what the hell Nintendo?! Don't even try to tell me region locks are there to fight pirates or I will gut you. I can live with it if the unlock is really easy like the GC, but count me out as a day one customer at this point. You can't bitch about globalism and shitty exchange rates only to turn around and do this.
Or maybe a well reasoned letter to Nintendo is in order?.
Achievements?, no thanks, they make people do bad things.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 11, 2011, 08:55:58 PM
My only experience with Achievements was on steam and while playing L4D2 & Portal, and I can say that while I certainly won;t chase them all down, it does give you an ulterior motive while playing and something to aim for other than just rushing to the "finish line".
I see Nintendo's motivation for coins for travel and foreign 3DS interaction, but why can't those same coins be earned through ingame achievements as well? why does it have to be an "either/or" situation, why can't it be an "and" situation like Reggie had said before about Nintendo's strategy going forward.
I'm not trying to pick a fight for achievements or anything like that, but it just seems like Nintendo is once again overlooking the status quo and implementing something different just so that it won't be alike.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on January 11, 2011, 09:26:44 PM
You know what I think it is?
I don't think the 3DS will have a persistent online account (really the only reason achievements exist out of the game).
Nintendo doesn't see achievements as necessary if you have no one to show them to. Which makes sense. So instead they came up with a way for you to "achieve" outside the game that didn't involve you showing of trophies.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on January 12, 2011, 12:46:43 AM
As much as I love trophies on PSN, and my wonderful friends list of Nintendo gamers on my PS3, I want stars...
Glorious bronze, silver, gold, and GREEN stars. Give them to me, Nintendo. Sony has copy/pasted you for SO long now... it won't hurt to take one good idea from them and re-coat it in some fancy Nintendo themed paint.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 12, 2011, 03:46:10 AM
3DS smuggled off the production line and gutted live for our viewing pleasure ;D http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418463
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: the_dan_x on January 12, 2011, 04:42:16 AM
You know, in regards to the whole "gaining experience points while walking" thing with the 3DS, in the context of Japan, it kinda makes sense. People are typically taking public transportation and walking a great deal everyday. So it makes sense for Japan, but definitely not places like America. Who in the world is going to go out of their way to to take advantage of this?
I was at Nintendo World and I remember watching something about, not necessarily the achievements, but more or less an expanded version of what we have now with the Wii "folder system" or whatever the hell you want to call it. The thing that keeps track of how much time you spend playing games. It looks like they went kind of crazy with it, too. My Japanese isn't perfect, but I believe that's what it was about. Interesting, but then again, damn it, give me some kind of achievement system so I can get stuff. Even just a pair of sunglasses for my Mii.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2011, 10:46:28 AM
I don't think the walking would be a problem. The Pokewalker has been real popular (although I know it's a lot easier to carry it around than a 3DS because it's really small).
If that really is a 3DS stolen from a factory, Nintendo has to be pissed that this has happened twice (unless it's the same one that was stolen last week).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 11:50:33 AM
Believe it or not there are rural areas in Japan where people don't do much walking around, and big cities in "America" where people do a lot of walking around. There are also malls, dog parks, fast food restaurants, coffee houses and cafes, Barnes & Noble, colleges, and other such places where people congregate. Nintendo is aware of this and will be trying to get those people to carry their 3DS to those places that they already go.
The 3DS is smaller than the DSi which is also a very pocketable/purseable device, so carrying it around shouldn' be too much of an issue.
Edit: It apparently is the same 3DS that was shown off last week.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on January 12, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
I would rather the points generated for walking go towards something more worthwhile than costumes for my Mii. How about club Nintendo coins or Wiiware or DSiware points? I have Personal Trainer Walking so I already walk like crazy so whatever reward system they set up I'm doomed to benefit from it. It would have been a better announcement for unlocking something within actual games. The 19th is a week away, but it feels like an eternity.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 12, 2011, 03:03:18 PM
Friend Codes are BAAAACK!!!! :( http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/13/super_sfiv_online_play/ No mention on if it's one code per system, per account or if you add it in per game.
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Capcom has been hinting at some robust multiplayer play for Super Street Fighter IV 3DS. Famitsu has details this week.
The 3DS launch title will have full internet-based combat, allowing players across the nation to challenge one-another. Capcom promises a lag-free experience for this "Internet Versus" mode.
You'll be able to select from three types of play: "quick match," which pairs you up with an opponent instantly, "custom match," which lets finds an opponent based off conditions that you've set, and "friend match", which lets you select an opponent from your friend list. You add players to your friend list by exchanging friend codes. [...] Download play allows you to play versus matches on two 3DS units using just one copy of the game. At Nintendo World last week, Capcom said that the download play support will allow downloaders to transfer the game to other people as well, and will continue to function even if the host player has left. Famitsu does not say if there are any limitations in terms of characters or stages.
Prior to multiplayer bouts, you can set a comment. This is displayed alongside your rank and current battle points (BP) ahead of the fight. Win a match, and you'll earn more battle points.
Similar to the console SFIV games, 3D Edition is compatible with arcade machiuke, or arcade challenge. This allows other players to interrupt you for battles as you play arcade mode. Famitsu confirms that this option will work with both local and internet versus play.
There is also single cart multiplayer(daisy chained from people who don't own the game to more people that down own the game, Custom Commentary between matches, New Challenger Interruptions & Achievements.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 12, 2011, 03:13:21 PM
ahahahahaha YES
Now's the time for many of you to sell your Nintendo systems and games! Quit being Nintendo fans now before you're hurt again!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on January 12, 2011, 03:15:27 PM
Man how disappointing, lets all just hope that it's a 3DS universal friend code and the Wii 2 will be the same. I figure asking for something better is asking too much from Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 12, 2011, 03:21:43 PM
I would have said friend codes have been appropriately marginalized.
I would also need some more details like whether after a random battle you can exchange friend codes. As long as friend codes aren't the end-all-be-all of Nintendo's online strategy I'm fine with them. Edit: And there is one per system rather than per game. I totally forgot about that annoying as hell aspect.
Parental controls could also make it so that friend codes allow your child to play online while protecting them from pedators and offensive people by allowing online matches only through friend codes.
Friend codes could also become more like a friend's list allowing you to send your friends pictures and other things that random people you meet would not have access to.
And, I just sort of remembered that StreetPass could allow a transferring of pictures or some other stuff... Am I remembering that wrong?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 12, 2011, 03:43:36 PM
I would rather the points generated for walking go towards something more worthwhile than costumes for my Mii. How about club Nintendo coins or Wiiware or DSiware points? I have Personal Trainer Walking so I already walk like crazy so whatever reward system they set up I'm doomed to benefit from it. It would have been a better announcement for unlocking something within actual games. The 19th is a week away, but it feels like an eternity.
I used to do a lot of walking a few years ago before I started driving. Believe it or not, I actually walked a few miles everyday after I got home in high school. During the summer I walked every where I had to go. Now I am a little out of shape and something like the 3DS would be good to motivate me to go back to walking, especially with the summer approaching. This is why I would like to have a 3DS Sports/Fit game that centers around walking, running, jogging and stair climbing.
What side of the 3DS is the SD card slot located?
I have made my mind up that I will get the 3DS on launch if it is $200, but if it is $250 then I will pass on the system for now. However, I manly want to buy the system to get a head start on Kid Icarus and Revelations. I will pass on that OoT remake, but I hope that GBA is included on the virtual console.
If I trade in my DSi, how will I transfer my DSiware games over to my 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2011, 04:15:01 PM
As a college student, I do a lot of walking around campus (except not right now because I broke my ankle), so getting rewarded for it sounds pretty cool. The battery isn't an issue for me, since I'm in the habit of plugging in my iPhone and iPad every night to charge, so I'll just do that with my 3DS as well, and I doubt I'll be running out the whole battery in one day very often. That, plus the fact that I'm actually excited about the OoT remake, and that there are a couple Western-developed launch games that aren't on the Japanese list that I'm interested in, means I haven't seen anything so far that makes me consider changing my mind about picking one up at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 12, 2011, 04:25:20 PM
As a college student, I do a lot of walking around campus (except not right now because I broke my ankle), so getting rewarded for it sounds pretty cool. The battery isn't an issue for me, since I'm in the habit of plugging in my iPhone and iPad every night to charge, so I'll just do that with my 3DS as well, and I doubt I'll be running out the whole battery in one day very often. That, plus the fact that I'm actually excited about the OoT remake, and that there are a couple Western-developed launch games that aren't on the Japanese list that I'm interested in, means I haven't seen anything so far that makes me consider changing my mind about picking one up at launch.
If the western launch titles are too flimsy I might pick up Okamiden or Golden Sun 3 to compliment the BC on the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 12, 2011, 04:27:11 PM
I would rather the points generated for walking go towards something more worthwhile than costumes for my Mii. How about club Nintendo coins or Wiiware or DSiware points? I have Personal Trainer Walking so I already walk like crazy so whatever reward system they set up I'm doomed to benefit from it. It would have been a better announcement for unlocking something within actual games. The 19th is a week away, but it feels like an eternity.
I used to do a lot of walking a few years ago before I started driving. Believe it or not, I actually walked a few miles everyday after I got home in high school. During the summer I walked every where I had to go. Now I am a little out of shape and something like the 3DS would be good to motivate me to go back to walking, especially with the summer approaching. This is why I would like to have a 3DS Sports/Fit game that centers around walking, running, jogging and stair climbing.
What side of the 3DS is the SD card slot located?
I have made my mind up that I will get the 3DS on launch if it is $200, but if it is $250 then I will pass on the system for now. However, I manly want to buy the system to get a head start on Kid Icarus and Revelations. I will pass on that OoT remake, but I hope that GBA is included on the virtual console.
If I trade in my DSi, how will I transfer my DSiware games over to my 3DS.
Just get personal trainer walking you can get a copy for $10 at Best Buy and you get 2 pedometers. But if you walk with your 3DS while it's sleeping you earn coins which are supposedly good for game unlocks.
Regarding, transfering DSiWare game, I have a feeling it will involve a SD card and having both systems linked to the same Club Nintendo account. If you read Arstechnica, they said that one Nintendo rep confirmed that you need a SD card to transfer content. Remember, the 3DS comes with a 2GB SD card.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 12, 2011, 05:23:13 PM
I'm having a hard time believing Nintendo hasn't found a better online solution in all this time and that includes not flat-out copying Xbox Live like Sony did with PSN, especially since I believe Nintendo already admitted that their current online structure with Wii/DS was flawed. I don't play online games too often so I wouldn't be that upset beyond the principle of the matter. Friend Codes are dumb, NO ONE likes them and as such, Nintendo should have confirmed they were working on something better a long time ago. In a perfect world....
Since there's so little info on this, it's hard to have an opinion either way. I think I could deal with Friend Codes if Nintendo Wi-Fi was far more robust including better chat, the ability to talk to strangers etc. I know Nintendo is paranoid about safety, but it's really not their responsibility to raise people's children or protect them from Pedobear.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
As long as the friends list is universal and not a code for each game, I have no problem with retaining the friend code system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spinnzilla on January 12, 2011, 05:57:05 PM
Hopefully it's a universal code. And it's a shorter code than the 8 thousand digits they have been.
If it's both that and you can trade seemlessly over wifi matches, I'm happy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 12, 2011, 07:12:47 PM
Hopefully it's a universal code. And it's a shorter code than the 8 thousand digits they have been.
If it's both that and you can trade seemlessly over wifi matches, I'm happy.
The 12 digit friend codes aren't too bad. Now Microsoft codes that you use to enter in vouchers or licenses such as a Windows license or a voucher on Xbox Live are annoying since they are 25 alpha numeric characters.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on January 12, 2011, 08:32:47 PM
I used to do a lot of walking a few years ago before I started driving. Believe it or not, I actually walked a few miles everyday after I got home in high school. During the summer I walked every where I had to go. Now I am a little out of shape and something like the 3DS would be good to motivate me to go back to walking, especially with the summer approaching. This is why I would like to have a 3DS Sports/Fit game that centers around walking, running, jogging and stair climbing.
What side of the 3DS is the SD card slot located?
I have made my mind up that I will get the 3DS on launch if it is $200, but if it is $250 then I will pass on the system for now. However, I manly want to buy the system to get a head start on Kid Icarus and Revelations. I will pass on that OoT remake, but I hope that GBA is included on the virtual console.
If I trade in my DSi, how will I transfer my DSiware games over to my 3DS.
The SD card slot is on the left side, next to the Volume slider. Also I bet you that Nintendo won't have a way to actually get your DSiware on to the 3DS, you'll just be able to store it on an SD card and load it up from there. Aside from a few titles (Mighty Flip Champs, Cave Story, PictoBits) I doubt anyone will have much to transfer over. Besides, with the Virtual GameBoy a lot of those titles will be forgotten. Taking the 3DS out with you will serve two purposes; one to get you to gain coins and the other for the Street Pass function. I really hope that there is just one system code. What's the point of having Parental Controls and a Friend Code for every game coming out? Nintendo is really backwards with their online set up and hopefully by their admitting that it's a systematic mess will have caused them to revamp the entire interface. Does anyone know if it will have access to the Nintendo Channel? How do you think they will handle film distribution on the system? I doubt you one could fit a full length film on a DS cart, but streaming could be done. RFN predicted Netflix to arrive on the system- one could hope.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 12, 2011, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: TheFleece
Aside from a few titles (Mighty Flip Champs, Cave Story, PictoBits) I doubt anyone will have much to transfer over.
Neal Ronaghan must be spinning in his grave.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2011, 09:08:51 PM
3DS cards are up to 8GB, so they could easily fit movies on there. Even the regular DS card could with the right compression (500MB).
Of the DSiWare games I own, I would probably transfer Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Minis March Again, Bookworm, and Army Defender. I don't think I would bother with Photo Dojo or Dark Void Zero.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 12, 2011, 10:15:30 PM
A full length 3D film at 3DS resolutions would probably only be around 500-700mb
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Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 12, 2011, 10:40:29 PM
I'm glad I'll be able to transfer Shantae: Risky's Revenge and Mighty Flip Champs. My only problem is that I usually end up giving my brother my handhelds then picking up a new one once a new model comes out. Hopefully, games will be tied to an account on 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on January 13, 2011, 10:43:39 AM
After seeing the FEB/March line-up in JP is anyone else feeling their interest start to dissipate.
I guess Wednesday will determine everything.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 13, 2011, 10:46:55 AM
Not really, the launch lineup in Japan is pretty good to me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Nemo on January 13, 2011, 12:10:59 PM
The Iwata Asks about the 3DS has been posted in full: http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interview.html#/how-nintendo-3ds-made/0/0 (http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interview.html#/how-nintendo-3ds-made/0/0)
Gamecube & GBA were tested in 3D..... GC using a 3D version of Luigis Mansion that Nintendo planned on releasing with the GC 10 years ago.
I posted it 7 days ago
edit: OIC, new sections were added... I think. I never read the whole thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on January 13, 2011, 03:10:35 PM
Yeah they just put up the rest of the interview. I read something that linked to the Japanese Iwata Asks page so I checked the US one. I'm glad the whole thing is up, I've been waiting to read it. 3d video sounds cool, but if the cameras aren't as powerful as other cameras wouldn't the video suffer because of that?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 13, 2011, 03:18:52 PM
the video is only going to be displayed on the 3DS so the .3MP resolution cameras will fit the screen resolution perfectly. Now if you were exporting this to an external source, like a 3DTV or YouTube3D then you might want that 3MP cameras, but Nintendo is all about being as efficient as possible and not exceeding the machines own capabilities, so we won't get cameras that are capable of more than what the 3DS is currently capable of displaying.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on January 14, 2011, 02:18:18 AM
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So this time, we included the Street Pass within the Nintendo 3DS system itself, rather than having it just be in specific games. Now, for example, when you play a game like Nintendogs or Animal Crossing or Pokémon, if you turn StreetPass on, you will exchange game data with other users five, six, seven times for multiple games just by walking around with your Nintendo 3DS.
This has me most excited! Now is he talking about Black and White or an example of a future pokemon game? Amazing data can be exchanged even if I have not played the game in months! This makes up for the seemingly lackluster rewards system completely!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2011, 03:26:46 AM
Lets just hope that Friend Codes follow that same plan.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 14, 2011, 08:28:56 AM
It is pretty cool that StreetPass will transfer game data for games that are saved on the 3DS and not just what's in the slot, but what will be traded?
For Pokemon I could see trainer info so that when you go to a battle aren you'll fight against people you've passed. For Animal Crossing I could see personally designed furniture being transfered between shops. But beyond that, I do not know.
Actually, that thing about achievments for walking around, could that be for StreetPass? Like if you pass/collect the info of twenty of trainers through StreetPass MewTwo will appear, or something to that effect?
This would be unlike Nintendo, but it would be rather cool if they were to release a 3DS patch for Pokemon Black and White that would not only display battle sequences in 3D, but allow the game to take advantage of such features like StreetPass and 3D AR.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 14, 2011, 10:37:30 AM
They said the info that can be passed will depend on the game and publisher. For example, Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition will have a figure from your game fight theirs and the winner gets their opponents figure. You can trade Miis with other people. Nintendogs + Cats will let you share pictures. I think it might be limited what can be traded since it has to be designed with the fact that the data needs to be saved on the 3DS itself rather than the game card.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Arbok on January 14, 2011, 10:04:31 PM
This would be unlike Nintendo, but it would be rather cool if they were to release a 3DS patch for Pokemon Black and White that would not only display battle sequences in 3D, but allow the game to take advantage of such features like StreetPass and 3D AR.
More likely is that the third game in the Black and White "era" will come with these features instead than any kind of patching.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on January 14, 2011, 10:40:21 PM
It is pretty cool that StreetPass will transfer game data for games that are saved on the 3DS and not just what's in the slot, but what will be traded?
The neat thing about StreetPass is that it does use local transfer instead of WiFi. If I were Nintendo, I'd totally put something crazy in the system, just to test stuff out.
For example, I'd code something into the firmware that, when connecting to Nintendo's servers, a series of 1's and 0's are uploaded, representing different stats. One of these sets of stats will only be effected if the DS has secretly downloaded (via StreetPass) the secret code. For example, let's say the set comes, as default, at 000-000-000. Now, I work for Nintendo and, say, at E3 - I set up a StreetPass station that does nothing but change that sequence to 000-001-000. Then, everyone who walks by will download the code that changes that sequence. Then, everyone who walks by everyone who walked by at E3 will get it, spreading like a virus, slowly, across the country. Then, every time your 3DS connects, Nintendo records your unique DS number and records that your "slot six" has been activated. Then, they can retrieve a daily, weekly, monthly or yearly report that reflects the number of DS units that have been activated and chart the exchange of that data. Then, next year's E3, they can send out a code that changes the second 0 to a 1. They could distribute the code at a Japanese event that changes the very last 0 to a 1 - see how long it takes to jump the ocean and spread across the US. :D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 15, 2011, 02:27:28 AM
I'm getting a half-formed memory of a game where you infected other players with your personal virus, and you could see how far it got across the world... If it wasn't 2:30am I'd look it up but I'm beat and I just wanted to sat that StreetPass (your idea for it anyway) would make such a game a lot more interesting.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2011, 06:18:28 AM
“The 3DS is releasing, too, so I think the right time to switch [Monster Hunter] to new hardware is coming as well,” Tsujimoto told Gemaga, in their recent December 27th issue, when asked about his hopes for 2011. He goes on to say that new hardware in general will make 2011 an exciting year for business.
MHP3DS
That might be one I could get into. Could 3D really help this series? Surely the hopefully much improved online of the 3DS could also help out the connectivity of this game too.
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Looks like the M rated games on 3DS are gonna be getting Black Game Cases like the M rated games on Wii were last year. http://www.siliconera.com/2011/01/14/nintendo-also-packages-mature-3ds-games-in-black-boxes-too/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2011/01/14/nintendo-also-packages-mature-3ds-games-in-black-boxes-too/)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 15, 2011, 10:04:29 AM
In a way I would like to have different packages here too, only a few Wii games have had different boxarts.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on January 15, 2011, 03:02:01 PM
I'm getting a half-formed memory of a game where you infected other players with your personal virus, and you could see how far it got across the world... If it wasn't 2:30am I'd look it up but I'm beat and I just wanted to sat that StreetPass (your idea for it anyway) would make such a game a lot more interesting.
Time splitters 2? Virus mode?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 15, 2011, 04:51:06 PM
I'm getting a half-formed memory of a game where you infected other players with your personal virus, and you could see how far it got across the world... If it wasn't 2:30am I'd look it up but I'm beat and I just wanted to sat that StreetPass (your idea for it anyway) would make such a game a lot more interesting.
Time splitters 2? Virus mode?
The game is called Infected and it was an early PSP game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 15, 2011, 08:17:38 PM
Yeah, it's Infected. I've never even played the game, but I was intrigued by the idea of potentially infecting millions (or thousands in the PSPs case...) of systems with a virus that was not only unique to me, but trackable as well.
Hopefully there are developers out there who think like UncleBob, because this would be awesome with StreetPass.
It could even be done with a little more complexity, like if in Animal Crossing 3D you can design your own furniture that through StreetPass shows up in other people stores. Not only could you see how many different systems your furniture has made it onto, but how many people actually bought it. That idea could of course be expanded into other games that allow you design your own characters...
Which makes me think of Miis, what if every system you pass is tagged with your Mii for Mii parades? If each system tags a StreetPass system with not only your Mii, but 5 other ones randomly selected from StreetPass Miis, it would be even cooler if your Mii made it across the ocean, because it would be based on not only random encounter, but random selection thereafter.
Which actually makes me think of something else; how much information can the 3DS transfer between two people simply passing each other on the street? Without knowing what kind of radio is used for StreetPass, it would have to be pretty fast to transfer more than one Mii considering the data of the 3D Mii itself, along with name, favorite color, and location. Location would be cool because if your system were to get populated with Miis they could show up on a world map of where they originated from.
Hopefully the 3DS has at least 6GB of internal storage. From Iwata saying they want to push content onto users without them doing anything to get it, Nintendo should include a significant amount of storage.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2011, 08:27:52 PM
It would be nice if Street Pass was paired with a GPS unit and a system like Google's GeoTags which put a location on pics and video you've taken with your phone so you can know where you encountered People, Miis and other data collected by the Street Pass feature.
And was it ever determined how much flash was onboard from the stripped down 3DS taken from the assembly line?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 15, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
I think it's been confirmed (or at least reported) to have 1.5GB of internal storage.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2011, 08:34:14 PM
That was from the (still unconfirmed) IGN leak. I was talking about from the 3DS that was opened up and taken apart. I just checked the NeoGAF thread and it appears that nothing was confirmed from that stolen 3DS other than it has internal chips and a motherboard. They weren't even able to determine how much total RAM the system had by dissecting it.
Seems like someone potentially lost their job and no one gained a single bit of new info, other than how big it is in comparison to other systems and that it uses 96MB RAM in debug mode.
Disappointing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2011, 02:00:44 PM
News about the Amsterdam 3DS conference next this week. http://www.nintendo-universe.co.uk/2011/01/15/jonathan-ross-nintendo-3ds-capabilities-far-better-than-i-would-have-thought-possible-without-glasses/ (http://www.nintendo-universe.co.uk/2011/01/15/jonathan-ross-nintendo-3ds-capabilities-far-better-than-i-would-have-thought-possible-without-glasses/)
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Jonathan Ross is hosting the amsterdam 3DS event. UK people will know exactly who he is - and he's a huge fan of both Nintendo and the 3DS. This guy has an absolutely ridiculous collection of Nintendo stuff at his home. Anyway:
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Writing on the ever growing social media site Twitter, Ross wrote "I have been invited by Nintendo to host a conference next week that gives out info on the 3DS. Tried it yesterday! Booyah!"
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Writing on popular social media site Twitter, Ross commented "What I can say about 3DS is that the 3D is far better than I would have thought possible without glasses. Can be switched to regular 2D!"
Whilst he confirmed that he had only been playing on a prototype model, Ross had nothing but praise for the upcoming handheld having played a number of titles including Mario Kart.
He then went on to comment that "The games that seem to benefit the most are the driving and shooting games - the perspective makes it all feel more accurate."
Having been queried as to the other selection of games he was able to test, Ross only teased "A few other faves coming as well - plus a few unexpected revivals!" Although, it is more than likely that the games that he was referring to have already been announced and was playing coy in case they hadn't.
Finally, Ross revealed that he actually owned a Virtual Boy back in the day, writing "Remember the Virtual Boy?! I had one of those. Great looking but weird to play."
I don't know who Jonathan Ross is other than some UK celeb and a videogame (specifically Nintendo)fanatic (His game room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqThGlynsus&feature=player_embedded or http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25440859&postcount=28) but here is a bonus conversation from twitter: http://twitter.com/darrenkerwin/status/26251619683270656 (http://twitter.com/darrenkerwin/status/26251619683270656)
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It's absolutely fine, I don't expect you to spill anything, it's nice to have a surprise. I have my fingers crossed for Metroid..
@darrenkerwin I think you're going to be pleased then...
Not sure if he was referring to "surprises" or "Metroid", but for HYPE sake, lets just assume he was referring to Metroid 3DS
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 16, 2011, 05:45:07 PM
Has anyone who's handled a 3DS had anything bad to say about it?
The only thing I'm worried about is that the event on Wednesday will simply be Nintendo wanting to generate more good word of mouth and not give out any info beside release date/line up and price.
I don't think Nintendo ever officially gave hardware specs for the DS/i(?) so I'm prepared to be disappointed on that front, but I want to know more about StreetPass, the new online setup, on-board storage, and AR support; none of which they detailed at Nintendo World in Japan. With just over a month to go until the Japanese launch you would think Nintendo would want to flesh out the features a little more their home market, perhaps they're just waiting until after the simultaneous (are they timed together or simply dated?) events, because I think GDC happens after Japanese launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2011, 02:59:26 PM
The Amsterdam 3DS event on the 19th ill be streaming live on the internet http://live.nintendo3ds.nintendo-europe.com/ (http://live.nintendo3ds.nintendo-europe.com/)
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Nintendo 3DS Preview Event Watch the live webcast on 19th January
See every second of the European Nintendo 3DS Preview event on 19th January 2011 from the comfort of your own home via the official live webcast. Catch the main presentation, see first-hand reactions to the upcoming portable 3D entertainment device from Nintendo and get a glimpse of the forthcoming games and much more!
The webcast will be streamed live from 3pm CET on 19th January 2011.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: the_dan_x on January 18, 2011, 10:36:38 AM
MaryJane, I got to spend a better portion of a day on and off the 3DS at Nintendo World in Japan and I really don't have anything negative to say about it sans the camera. It did what it was supposed to do, but with such terrible quality, I could see myself and a lot of other gamers out there using it for a little bit, and then just forgetting about it. Kind of like Pictochat.
At the event, though, nobody really had free reign to go anywhere on the system other than the game with the staff more or less breathing down your neck.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on January 18, 2011, 05:14:10 PM
What time is the US conference?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on January 18, 2011, 05:19:56 PM
It starts 9AM Eastern. Check http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/event/24583 for updates.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2011, 06:31:00 PM
I thought the NY one was at 10am though.... Amsterdam time is +1 GMT and WC time is -8 GMT sooo ::pulls out calculator::
3pm CET - 1 - 8 = 6am PST
DAMMIT!!! :@ you mean I gotta wake up at 6am tomorrow if I wanna be upto date LIVE?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 18, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Looks like we have our first 3DS/Wii multi-platform release http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/19/flying_get/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/19/flying_get/)
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Sonic Creator Goes Multiplatform on Wii and 3DS A few months back, Famitsu revealed that Prope, the studio from Sonic the Hedgehog's Yuji Naka, was working with Kadokawa Games on a new title. That title at long last got its reveal in this week's Famitsu.
Tenkuu no Kishi Rodea is a "sky fantasy" game for Wii and 3DS. That's right, our first Wii and 3DS multiplatform release!
Famitsu says that the game is being brought to us by Naka and writer Takumi Miyajima. Miyajima has previously worked on the Tales series and Arc Rise Fantasia.
Rodea is the name of the game's main character. Also introduced in the magazine are characters named Ion and Princess Cecilia.
Gameplay details are a bit scarce at present. The game is described as a "new feel action game." The Wii version will use the Wiimote exclusively. Screenshots in Famitsu show sky-based gameplay, but Famitsu says there will be a variety of stages outside of just the sky.
In an interview with the magazine, Naka describes the game as "a completely new action game with simple controls." Development on the game started in Fall 2009. At that time, the game Naka and his team were working on was cancelled, and he split his team into two to create their next game.
Famitsu seems to have a big look at Tenkuu no Kishi Rodea this week, so expect further details shortly.
I wonder when the screen shots from Famitsu will hit the interwebz... http://www.1up.com/news/grasshopper-yuji-naka-tease-projects (http://www.1up.com/news/grasshopper-yuji-naka-tease-projects)
Quote from: Yuji Naka
"The game itself is an action title that takes place in the sky," he told Famitsu. "The action gameplay is what I'm focusing on the most with this project -- interactivity is the most important attraction with any sort of game, and if that doesn't evolve, then games won't be everything they can be. Sonic was all about completely taking over the land, and Nights brought that same concept into the skies. I had always thought that action games that take place in the sky are too hard for players to cope with, but then I thought up a new method for dealing with it. That's how this project got started. If I had stuck around at Sega, then I might have used this concept to make a sequel to Nights!"
Quote from: Goichi Suda
"I can't say anything concrete about this project yet," he said, "but I do guarantee that it'll feature stylish action and some really extreme twists. I showed the game off to an overseas publisher, and they couldn't stop laughing -- I mean, just bending over and laughing. How many games do you know that can make you laugh like that? When I saw that, myself and Yasuda were like 'Yes! This is really gonna work!' I think it's going to be a really big title in the worldwide market."
edit 2: Founds the pics http://www.nintendoeverything.com/59167/ (http://www.nintendoeverything.com/59167/)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2011, 02:07:12 AM
More info on Sky Night Rodea http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/19/flying_get/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/19/flying_get/)
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More Detail's on Prope's Sky Fantasy Game A few additional details have surfaced on Tenkuu no Kishi Rodea, the new Wii and 3DS title from Let's Tap and Let's Catch developer Prope.
This game is getting instant attention because of the involvement of Sonic and Nights creator Yuji Naka. He's listed as "executive director."
The magazine has details on the Wii version's control scheme. You use the Wiimote as a pointer. To move somewhere, you point at the location, press B and shake the Wiimote. Your character will fly off in the direction specified. You can continually do this motion to make your character freely fly through the sky. You can keep on flying through the air by pointing at your desired location and pressing B.
CORRECTION: It actually looks like you just have to shake once to get flight started, but afterwards you can just point and press B to continue with flight in your desired direction.
The A button is for performing actions. You can use it to fire a gun as an attack. You can also do a spinning attack by pointing at objects and enemies and pressing A.
In an interview with the magazine, Naka says that games that allow players to experience free flight through the skies tend to have complicated controls. However, they cleared this problem during Rodea's prototype development phase.
Even though you see the Naka name, Rodea isn't a Sega title, Kadokawa Games is the game's publisher. Naka says that this is a true collaboration with Kadokawa. It's something that Prope would not have been able to do on its own.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 19, 2011, 09:50:52 AM
Yay! $250, March 27, one friend code per system!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on January 19, 2011, 10:01:12 AM
Not bad what are the launch games? And Game prices? Guess that still up in the air.
I'll probably get it if I'm not financially restrained at the time. I'll probably go blue. I'm sick of Black and White Systems. If the US titles mirror Japanese Titles I'm guessing the only 1st party will Be Nintendogs & Steel Diver. If that the case I'm getting steal diver and maybe DOA 3D or Puzzle Bobble 3D.
Lol at myself paying $250 to play and update 6 year old tech demo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 19, 2011, 10:02:02 AM
I'm very impressed!
I am very glad to hear that AR was the testers favorite feature of the 3DS, so hopefully Nintendo and 3rd parties will support that heavily. 30 games between launch and E3 is also impressive, and the system price is $50 less than I expected so maybe I can get 3 games at launch!!
It is also good to hear that Capcom is making good use of StreetPass so hopefully others follow suit. I am a little confused about fighting other players through StreetPass in SSFIV; do they gauge your fighting skill and rank you, or is just based on wins and losses previous to your StreetPass meeting? Either way though, it's pretty cool.
I'm also a little confused about Spot Pass, if it can download content while you're gaming or in sleep mode, how can they say no download will take place unless you want it to? Will you setup the kinds of things you want downloaded beforehand, telling the 3DS how much free reign it has in that area?
I am very excited by all of this though, and March 27 feels like it's years away...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on January 19, 2011, 10:18:54 AM
I bet the 3DS will have a bunch of settings for online, what to allow and when to allow it. The Press event was brief and didn't have as much pretty pictures as I hoped for, but the details are fine. There is only one friend code per system and exchanging codes is said to be easy as accepting a request. You can also see who on your Friends List is online and what they're playing. I would have liked to hear more about the Virtual Console info. Are the Game Boy titles going to retain the dual shade green or will it have a touch of Super Game Boy colorization?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on January 19, 2011, 11:42:33 AM
YAHOOO!!!!!!!!! Man that makes me happy! I just read at IGN's live blog of the event. It seems when people contact each other localy the friend codes can be automaticly exchanged as well. It aint perfect but good god is it a huge step in the right direction! Gives me high hopes for the next home console. I'm so glad this machine has good power, I won't be left behind in the soul calibur series any longer.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on January 19, 2011, 12:19:20 PM
I just checked the Nintendo 3DS website and the game details are interesting. Said Steal Diver is Q2. Which means no launch. However, I saw DOA is gonna have a Metroid level and possibly playable Samus? I will so get that day 1. It better be day one. I heard from 8-4 they already translated it but its coming out March 24th in JP. Man I'm getting pumped for that game. Seriously I need to know what game to get at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on January 19, 2011, 12:53:46 PM
I just checked the Nintendo 3DS website and the game details are interesting. Said Steal Diver is Q2. Which means no launch. However, I saw DOA is gonna have a Metroid level and possibly playable Samus? I will so get that day 1. It better be day one. I heard from 8-4 they already translated it but its coming out March 24th in JP. Man I'm getting pumped for that game. Seriously I need to know what game to get at launch.
If this turns out to be the new Soul Calibur 2 I am all for it. Link got me into the game now I love the series. Samus could get me into DOA, just hope its as good quality and her boobs are the smallest of all girls in the game. That would be nuts! Hopefully she would have her Varia Suit as I know the Zero Suit would be standard in this game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on January 19, 2011, 01:01:40 PM
i think 250 is a little steep, but the software might justify the price, surely am not getting one at launch, i'll guess i wait for reactions.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 19, 2011, 02:29:44 PM
I read the official press release and there are a few interesting tidbits:
1. StreetPass will transfer Mii data, as well as custom characters from other games, high scores, and maps, which I'm assuming are custom maps but it did not say. There's no mention if something you transfer to one person can be transfered from them to someone else, but hopefully there is, as we've discussed here.
2. Face Raiders "game" will be included in system so you can shoot at funny depictions of your face. The press release says your face, but you can use just about any picture.
3. There's an app called "3DS Sound" which lets you manipulate sound, and will also play MP3s and AACs normally.
4. There will be 3DS prepaid cards to purchase DSiWare, VC, and other content. I'm wondering why/if the prepaid cards are 3DS specific when general and refillable Nintendo cards would be best.
5. This the most disappointing: OoT, Star Fox 64, Kid Icarus: Uprising, and Paper Mario are NOT launch window games. The launch window according to Nintendo is from March 27 to E3 in early June. SteelDiver and Pilotwings are launch window games. I'm assuming that like Japan, Nintendogs + Cats will be the only 1st party launch title.
In their impressions, Engadget notes that each game required different 3D settings from the slider, and that Madden looked jarring to them no matter what they did. They also said two of their staff got headaches from constantly switching the 3D between games. They also made mention that the viewing angles in 3D were bad, which is strange because I think I remember them saying from E3 that while moving it did ruin the effect, it wasn't terrible.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2011, 03:13:56 PM
So we get MP3 access back. b..b..b.b.but that's gonna cost Nintendo like $0.02 per 3DS in licensing fees. How are they gonna afford it?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on January 19, 2011, 03:14:51 PM
So there is a Metroid OM stage in this new DOA, with Ridley flying around. Samus rolls in at the last second of the teaser. Chances are she is 200% playable.
Makes me happy. What was once a 0 chance to buy is now a 50% chance to buy. If the reviews are good i'm getting it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2011, 03:19:38 PM
DOA looked like it played like Virtua Fighter from the video I saw.
I'm much more interested in SSFIV3D and would likely hold for a Soul Calibur 3D if Namco (it is Namco right) ever feels like making money.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 19, 2011, 03:40:42 PM
5. This the most disappointing: OoT, Star Fox 64, Kid Icarus: Uprising, and Paper Mario are NOT launch window games.
They didn't actually say that. Here is the specific part of the press release:
During the launch window (between the March 27 launch date and the E3 Expo in early June) more than 30 games will be available to Nintendo 3DS owners. These include Nintendo-created games like Pilotwings Resort, which has players soaring acrobatically over iconic Wuhu Island; nintendogs + cats, a new version of the Nintendo DS classic with a feline enhancement; and Steel Diver, a side-scrolling submarine adventure that gives the illusion that the player is peering into an aquarium. Other Nintendo 3DS games in the works include The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D, Star Fox 64 3D, Kid Icarus: Uprising and new installments in the Mario Kart, Animal Crossing and Paper Mario series.
To me, that just means they are not sure if they will be out in the launch window and don't want to promise them and then have to delay them if they can't.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 19, 2011, 05:35:39 PM
So I took what they said literally and you're speculating, but somehow what I posted isn't what they said?
They listed two game as launch window games, and the others as not, it really isn't that complicated...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on January 19, 2011, 05:39:16 PM
Work was delayed today. Benefit from working in a school district (IT). So I was able to see the entire presentation this morning. As soon as I got to work Amazon.com put up the preorders and I jumped. I had to. One blue and as soon as the black went up I jumped on that. Needed two anyway. One for me and one for my sister. I thought games might be an issue but Street Fighter looks great. I haven't played one since Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter EX3 on the PS2. I'm due for another one. She might like Pilotwings but not up for order yet. That's it for now until something else interesting is confirmed and up for preorder.
However if more Dead or Alive info comes out I might switch to that if it looks like the better of the two. I'm okay with the overall price of the system. I figured it might be around this.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 19, 2011, 05:40:09 PM
StreetPassing 3D images of your genitals to other launch-day customers - this is the real launch game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 19, 2011, 05:53:12 PM
Hopefully StreetPass will have a robust options menu so you can set the types of things you want to receive... Only female genitalia!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on January 19, 2011, 07:49:04 PM
StreetPassing 3D images of your genitals to other launch-day customers - this is the real launch game.
and creative
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: AV on January 19, 2011, 08:28:50 PM
So let me get this strait, we know launch date and price but have no concrete details what games we can buy at launch. No guarantee online will work at launch so buying games from shop instead of carts is not possible. I really want to buy a 3DS at launch but wtf will I be playing?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on January 19, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
For first-party stuff, I can make a guess based on which games have fact sheets:
nintendogs + cats Steel Diver Kid Icarus: Uprising Pilotwings Resort The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D Star Fox 64 3D
Of course, third parties are defining launch window as the first three months, so it's hard to say exactly what's going on.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2011, 09:02:27 PM
In other words, there was never any hope for the 3DS to have launched Q4 2010 like many of us and all of the investors were hoping.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on January 19, 2011, 09:07:07 PM
Also, nintendogs + cats is currently the only first-party game with final box art available.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 19, 2011, 09:11:42 PM
Looks like I'll be getting Street Fighter, then following that up with Pilotwings when it releases. That's enough for me. There are lots of DSi Artstyle games I haven't played that I want to download (still rocking the pink DSlite).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: AV on January 19, 2011, 09:24:37 PM
Looks like I'll be getting Street Fighter, then following that up with Pilotwings when it releases. That's enough for me. There are lots of DSi Artstyle games I haven't played that I want to download (still rocking the pink DSlite).
Assuming you can download them on launch day. Also assuming those games are launch games.
WHAT ARE THE LAUNCH GAMES!! LAUNCH VC, LAUNCH 3DSiware ???
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on January 20, 2011, 10:27:52 AM
Maybe if you use even bigger letters Nintendo will hear you and personally come to your house and reveal the full launch lineup. Or maybe you just have to wait like the rest of us.
So, the event is over but there are a lot of unanswered questions:
1. WHAT ARE THE LAUNCH GAMES??
2. How much internal storage?
3. Is anyone besides Nintendo going to support the AR functionality? Especially for a full game, like it's used in Face Raiders?
4. Is 3DSWare only going to feature 3D games?
5. What kind of 3D content is the 3DS going to have access to?
6. What is the IR sensor on the back for?
Then there are questions generated by the event itself:
1. Will 3DS Miis be transferable to the Wii2? ;)
2. When are the Nintendo eShop and DSiWare transfers going to be available?
3. What are the details/options for Street Pass and Spot Pass? And are they one word or not?
I'm as excited as ever for the 3DS launch, but I really wish Nintendo would be more forthcoming with information instead of leaving us hanging as they do with every hardware launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on January 20, 2011, 12:39:35 PM
In other words, there was never any hope for the 3DS to have launched Q4 2010 like many of us and all of the investors were hoping.
? I'm not sure what you mean here.
It seems pretty clear to me, but I guess I can explain it anyways. Nintendo announced in March of last year. Nintendo has had a policy over the last few years to not announce 1st party projects unless it was gonna be released within 6 or so months. I know their announcement was forced because a partner was announcing their 3D screens, but we figured that E3 was originally their big plan for announcement and Holiday 2010 was their original plan for release. (almost)Everyone was speculating Holiday 2010 release including the board of investors, because after the Investors meeting in Sept./Oct. or Nov. Nintendo stock took a quick drop on the news that DS was not hitting in the 4th quarter of 2010(Oct - Dec), but instead by the end of Q4 of FY2010(Jan - Mar) ended.
pre-post edit: afer explaining it out, I see what might have confused you. I think the last sentence clears it up. I meant Q4 of the actual year and not Q4 of Nintendo's Fiscal Year.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2011, 02:43:49 PM
There is something that I haven't seen anyone here (staff or forum) mention yet and that is the notepad and other multi-tasking features. http://kotaku.com/5738668/short-cords-long-friend-lists-and-other-burning-3ds-questions-answered
Quote from: Kotaku
The 3DS seems like a pretty capable machine. One of its less ballyhooed features is that you can multi-task with it. How does that work?
A 3DS owner user can suspend any game they are playing at any point and access one of several options (all displayed across the top of the screen) that let them access a virtual notepad, a web browser and even a friends list that lets them see who else is online. As for how useful this might be: "Specifically for an example with Zelda," Nintendo's Trinen says, "If you're stuck in the water temple and you're trying to figure out where the last of the switches are that you have to hit to draw the water level down and get all the way down to the boss, you can immediately hit the home button, bring up the browser, go to whatever tip site you want to go to, figure out where that is, then switch over to the game notes, draw a map on your screen to refer to or go right back into the game." All of this can be done with the game suspended, which is superior level of support for multi-tasking than any game machine has ever offered before.
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrI7uTMjGic&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrI7uTMjGic&feature=player_embedded) notepad starts at 18:20
Note pad sounds like a great addition that no one was asking for but Nintendo brought to us anyway. being able to take notes during the game and access them at any time, not to mention being able to exit out and go browse GameFaqs for some quick help should you need it, will become invaluable to lots of gamers. I don't know all the details on the feature, but the only other thing I could really ask from the notepad feature at this point is the ability to snap a photo of a game screen and then use that to draw on. Imagine playing a FPS or RPG and you bring up the map screen and you want to remember where a certain item/object/person is or an exit but there is no option to mark that stuff in-game, so you suspend state the game, take a screen capture of what was on the bottom screen and the map now fills your notepad. Now you are free to mark it up in anyway you want and save it to your SD card.
The other thing that hasn't been talked about is the lack of Picto Chat on the 3DS. It may or may be attached to the friends list, but since we don't know anything about the friends list, I guess we wouldn't really know. But the all knowing Nintendo rep from the video says he hasn't seen or heard anything about a Picto Chat for 3DS so I guess we can assume that it was left out even though Nintendo has mentioned some sort of messaging.
Quote from: Kotaku
We know the Friend Code system is better this time around. Can you even send messages to people while you're playing, maybe while the game is suspended? Trinen says "the goal is there will be some messaging functions" but couldn't lock in details for us.
Picto Chat may not have been a heavily used feature on the DS/i, but that's mostly because I have to be next to whoever I was picto chatting with and so that just leaves me and whoever else is in my house with a DS.... not very useful. With the multi-tasking of the 3DS and being able to get different notifications and suspend state games, an online friendlist enabled picto-chat could be Nintendo's Instant Messenger. You should be able to send pics to and message your friends that happen to be online regardless of what they are doing on their 3DS. Actually, any messages you send should notify them the minute they connect online regardless of when you sent it. I would be really disappointed to not see a new and improved version of Picto Chat to accompany the 3DS and use all of it's features. I guarantee it would get used by more 3DS users more often the the novelty that was the original on the DS.
other things talked about in the video are Mii Creation and Face Morphing. But can somebody please explain the differences between Street Pass & Spot Pass?
edit: Speaking of Mii creation, lets hope that Nintendo is more forward thinking this time around about how Mii are inserted into the games and how games should interact with the OS regardless of what version it is and therefore new features to the system won't break a games compatibility. This way if Nintendo releases a Wii2 and it has an even more advanced Mii creation set, Nintendo can go back and update the 3DS Mii creation set and the 2 can be equal and all previously released 3DS games will also be able to use those new assets and everyone is happy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 20, 2011, 02:58:50 PM
Some people say the price is too high, but Pachter actually says it is too low. He says that the system will be so popular that Nintendo is losing a lot of potential money they could have gotten by charging more.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 20, 2011, 03:11:56 PM
Black N Mild spotpass is basically when you pass by a wi-fi hotspot and it will download info to the game. Streetpass is another 3DS signal. So you know someone is nearby so you can play with them.
Yeah that notepad is a good idea. That can be very helpful in something like Monster Hunter 3DS looking up on the wiki for some combination of items or a certain path for the weapons.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2011, 03:26:33 PM
Here are some Images of the 3DS, Charger Cradle, AC Adapter and Stylus for anyone that want to see it up close. http://www.engadget.com/photos/nintendo-3ds-press-images/#3801795
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: oohhboy on January 20, 2011, 03:44:23 PM
Pachter is a Neanderthal and a analytical hack of the worse kind. His analysis are as deep as a wet paper towel and has the foresight of Hans MoleMan. He consistently uses statistics improperly in order to generate headlines that vary from Captain obvious to outright lies. The man is the Glenn Beck of videogames.
You will do well by taking any of his ideas out back and shooting them in the head twice just to be sure they stay down.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 20, 2011, 03:58:32 PM
I agree with you, I stopped caring what he said a long time ago and question mainstream publications for using him. I just found it interesting that he thought the 3DS should have been even more expensive.
As for Glenn Beck, I have made my political opinions know before so I won't mention it (since we aren't supposed to talk about that).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2011, 07:17:50 PM
another tidbit that I forgot to post from that Kotaku link above
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How's the battery power?
The system will take about 3 1/2 hours to charge and then last about three to five hours on a full charge. That's with the 3D effects activated. The company guesses that people who keep the 3D turned off could get as many as eight hours. Turning off the system's wireless via a switch, lowering its brightness settings or even running it in a dimmer power-save mode will all help the machine last longer. The system charges off of a power cord or while sitting in a plugged-in "cradle."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 20, 2011, 07:26:41 PM
another tidbit that I forgot to post from that Kotaku link above
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How's the battery power?
The system will take about 3 1/2 hours to charge and then last about three to five hours on a full charge. That's with the 3D effects activated. The company guesses that people who keep the 3D turned off could get as many as eight hours. Turning off the system's wireless via a switch, lowering its brightness settings or even running it in a dimmer power-save mode will all help the machine last longer. The system charges off of a power cord or while sitting in a plugged-in "cradle."
It would be nice if there was a power saving settings in the menu where you set everything manuallly to always operate to your liking.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2011, 07:58:22 PM
There is a power saving option in the menu but it's not customizable. It just tones down some of the brightest colors. Not sure how much power that actually saves though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
Nintendo Australia holding an event in early February for all our details. While overnight, we’ve gotten the European and American launch details for the Nintendo 3DS and we’re still waiting for the Australian details. But now, at least we know when we will have to wait until.
Nintendo Australia has told us to expect an event on February 8 in Sydney. The Australian pricing, launch date and console colours will be revealed on that day. We of course will be there.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 21, 2011, 12:06:40 AM
I think they're going to try to sell us Pictochat, or something similar, when the eShop launches.
It's pretty crazy how much the websites have turned on the 3DS after the event! Kotaku especially has a negative tone. I'm still excited!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 21, 2011, 12:15:50 AM
I am more excited after the event. I have never liked Kotaku anyways.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on January 21, 2011, 01:15:58 AM
pre-post edit: afer explaining it out, I see what might have confused you. I think the last sentence clears it up. I meant Q4 of the actual year and not Q4 of Nintendo's Fiscal Year.
Ah, gotcha!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2011, 02:47:37 AM
Culture Brain (Flying Warriors/Dragon on NES) is ressurecting itself (like Sunsoft) to make 3DS games. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/21/culture-brain-working-on-three-3ds-games/
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A Culture Brain representative told Gadget News that the publisher has around three games in development for the 3DS, and hinted that they may be based on past franchises like Flying Warriors or Baseball Simulator.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 21, 2011, 03:13:14 AM
Culture Brain (Flying Warriors/Dragon on NES) is ressurecting itself (like Sunsoft) to make 3DS games. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/21/culture-brain-working-on-three-3ds-games/
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A Culture Brain representative told Gadget News that the publisher has around three games in development for the 3DS, and hinted that they may be based on past franchises like Flying Warriors or Baseball Simulator.
Hmm had to look them up and I haven't played any of their games but heard of Super Baseball Simulator 1000 and Flying Dragon. Good to see the company up again.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on January 21, 2011, 01:56:16 PM
SSF4 3DS will be priced at $39.99, that's what it's listed as on Capcom's store.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2011, 02:27:11 PM
Contrary to speculation, the 3DS's digital download store and internet browser will be up and running from launch, Nintendo has confirmed.
A Wired report earlier this week claimed that the new handheld's eStore would not be ready on the day of release and would be added in later via a firmware update.
However, a spokesperson for Nintendo told Eurogamer today that although neither an internet browser nor the eStore would be included in the console's "initial firmware" they will be "updated on day one".
The eStore is where you'll be able to download DSiWare titles, retro Game Boy classics, game demos, trailers and new digital titles made exclusively for the 3DS.
Nintendo hasn't confirmed a full line-up for the portable's Virtual Console equivalent, however, screenshots indicate that Super Mario Land and Zelda: Link's Awakening will both be available at some point.
The Nintendo 3DS launches across Europe on 25th March.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on January 24, 2011, 04:37:44 PM
I pre-ordered a Blue one at Bestbuy. God they are so much more pleasant than gamestop. We'll see what game are at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: SixthAngel on January 24, 2011, 08:33:23 PM
I think they're going to try to sell us Pictochat, or something similar, when the eShop launches.
It's pretty crazy how much the websites have turned on the 3DS after the event! Kotaku especially has a negative tone. I'm still excited!
The big websites have been hating on Nintendo since the original DS. I think there are a lot of bitter people out there.
I really want to get this but I've go to save my money for a while and the price for me to to get it imported around launch would be ridiculous. I'm a sucker for great 3d effects too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: LINKfan27 on January 25, 2011, 01:33:08 AM
wow...so many games im gonna buy for my 3ds but they are a little pricey: Dead or Alive costed me $50 as much as a wii game :(
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 25, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
And with the prices of handhelds going to $40.00 I believe I am finally out for awhile. Sigh. I was actually really excited about the 3DS...when it was announced, I knew I had found my place, or I thought I had.
I guess I am too cheap for games, but it just feels way to expensive for me to play anymore.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on January 25, 2011, 01:44:49 PM
The gamestop prices seem to be BS to me. But then again PSP games were $40-50 at launch now they are all $20-40 because the market place wouldn't sustain it. I think if people try to sell $50 3DS game it won't last long.
Also lame no Samus in DOA outside of level cameo. I still want that game buy my desire decresaed somewhat.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on January 26, 2011, 07:56:02 AM
Alright, guys. I can't believe I haven't asked this yet, considering how much of an impact this will have on my playability with the 3DS...
I suffer from an eye condition called strabismus. It's basically this: My brain communicates with only one eye at a time instead of both to see like the majority of people in this world. Not that everything is pitch black dark in the eye not being used...just there's no focus at all in the other eye. It's something I can literally feel. I've never known what it's like to see/focus out of both eyes at the same time. So... here's my question...
For those of you that have been able to play/demo the 3DS, have any of you attempted to try to view the stereoscopic 3-D effects by closing one eye and seeing what happens? My main fear is that I'm not going to be able to view the effects; which in turn will keep me from experiencing everything that is the 3DS. Thanks in advance, guys. I appreciate it. :)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 26, 2011, 08:33:59 AM
Rachtman- Have you tried to watch a 3D movie in a theater, with the glasses and everything? My guess is, if that works for you, the 3DS should work, and if 3D glasses don't work for you, the 3DS won't either. I think both eyes would need to be active.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on January 26, 2011, 08:53:33 AM
But isn't the 3-D used in movies a different kind of 3-D technique, though? I've always been under that impression. The most recent 3-D movie I've attempted in the past year was Toy Story 3. I remember seeing at least one major 3-D effect in it, but then being completely underwhelmed with the rest of the film's effects. Were there just not that many? Keep in mind, this was me viewing the movie with my dominant right eye.
I've stereoscopic 3-D is different, though? Is this correct?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on January 26, 2011, 11:40:01 AM
It's a different technique from a technical standpoint, but the end result is the same -- both are methods of stereoscopic 3D. So yes, I imagine that you will probably have trouble. :(
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on January 26, 2011, 01:44:03 PM
Well, crapcakes. :(
I guess I'll find out soon enough in two months. If I'm not able to fully experience the 3-D effects, then at least I've got a much more powerful handheld console from Nintendo! Just give me some Monster Hunter! :D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 26, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
It looks like despite earlier assumptions, Samus will not be playable in Dead or Alive Dimensions. She will appear to help the player, but you can't play as her. http://3ds.nintendolife.com/news/2011/01/no_you_cannot_fight_as_samus_in_dead_or_alive_dimensions
Title: No eShop or Internet till May!!!?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2011, 11:34:15 AM
Today at an investors meeting, not only did Nintendo announce a new Wii game (Pandora's Tower (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/sx3j/index.html)), but they also revealed that The eShop, Internet Browser and DSi Transfers may not be available until May http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/110128/07.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/110128/07.html)
In May, Nintendo will give the system its first firmware update. This will add the following functionality: eShop, internet browser, and the ability to transfer DSi download titles to the 3DS.
also, a New Kirby game that I can only assume is for the (3)DS: Wii http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/events/110128/07.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/events/110128/07.html) There is video of the game at the link.
and 3D Classics re-confirmed to be sold on the eShop. (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/110128/img/70l.jpg)
There is also a video of the Friends List on the 3DS and another video of the Friend Online notification light in action http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/events/110128/08.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/events/110128/08.html)
Direct Link to Much larger and pixelated version of: Friends List (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/events/110128/swf/player_wide.swf?locationMode=undefined&iName=swf/FriendList.jpg&fName=FriendList.flv&fNameWii=friendLED.flv&soundData=1) Home Menu (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/events/110128/swf/player_wide.swf?locationMode=undefined&iName=swf/HOMEmenumovie.jpg&fName=HOMEmenumovie.flv&fNameWii=friendLED.flv&soundData=1)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2011, 06:12:49 PM
According to the latest Iwata Asks (http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interview.html#/how-nintendo-3ds-made/1/0), Nintendo has no "short term plans" for a 3DS Lite. Lulz. I guess that depends on one's definition of "short term." I wish Nintendo would just say nothing rather than assume anyone is gullible enough to believe everything they say. Obviously, they aren't going to admit a better, smaller, hornier, and more efficient version of hardware that isn't even out anywhere yet is on the way. They could always go the XL route too. "It doesn't get any better than this, folks. Please buy now." Q4 2012 is probably a good bet for a revision.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2011, 06:18:39 PM
I would love a 3DSXL with a 5" screen and a much bigger battery inside. I'm not gonna be traveling anywhere with the thing that I'm gonna need to hold it in my pocket, so as long as it's not the size of a netbook, then I don't really care.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on January 28, 2011, 06:52:03 PM
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According to the latest Iwata Asks (http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interview.html#/how-nintendo-3ds-made/1/0), Nintendo has no "short term plans" for a 3DS Lite. Lulz. I guess that depends on one's definition of "short term." I wish Nintendo would just say nothing rather than assume anyone is gullible enough to believe everything they say.
I could see if if during an interview with IGN or something that the question of a potential 3DS Lite would come up. We're not stupid. This has become Nintendo's pattern so we're all going to assume some revision is on the way. If someone asks that Iwata has to come up with some bullshit answer.
But this is Iwata Asks. *He* comes up with the questions! So why is he bringing this up?! He's either oblivious or this is a 1984-esque example of propaganda. Tell us the chocolate rations went up when they really went down.
Or he is honestly telling the truth... HA HA HA HA!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: AV on January 28, 2011, 07:50:36 PM
I'm thinking 3DS v2 will be January 2013. Maybe 2012 with new system colors.
May. 3 - 4 months to download games. That's stupid. Investors should be angry at Nintendo for rushing out the 3ds. I bet Nintendo is going to have a shitty launch with hundreds of thousands of defective 3DS's because they rushed it out for quarter.
the eShop is going to make them so much profit, I would think it would be a priority to have it up ASAP not months later. I was going to buy allot of DSi games that I missed out on, Buy VC games, and 3DS ware and now they won't get any of that money for months. WTF. :-\ :-\ :-\ :@ :@ :@ :confused;
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2011, 08:11:03 PM
I think they are trying to kill the DSi trade in deals.
It's the only thing that makes sense (hahaha not really) considering they were "supposedly" originally aiming for Holiday 2010 release. There is no way that the shop itself can not be functional and ready for release.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: stevey on January 28, 2011, 09:09:42 PM
They need to do this via firmware update so they can't get called out latter for never adding any features to the 3ds after launch ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Enner on January 28, 2011, 09:43:35 PM
Sucks that there is a three month delay for the online store. Nintendo should really get some experienced help for their online efforts if they themselves can't do it well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: SixthAngel on January 28, 2011, 10:37:30 PM
Sucks that there is a three month delay for the online store. Nintendo should really get some experienced help for their online efforts if they themselves can't do it well.
Its common for this to happen. The Iphone didn't have it at launch and its the only way to buy things for it. Nintendo's got all the online guys they need and I guarrantee they have hired a bunch of new people to bring this stuff together.
I wonder if in the future there will be a way to put the full retail games on the 3ds. It will probably be avoided because of the ease of piracy it would allow but not carrying around games is one of the most tempting features of an R4 card.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2011, 12:01:42 AM
If Nintendo could address all the legal reason for wanting to own an R4 card, then there will be no need for an R4-like card in the future other than illegal reasons.
So going by that reasoning, Nintendo should be putting OT find a way to let us store multiple retail games on an SD card that doesn't compromise security.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on January 29, 2011, 09:17:38 AM
Its common for this to happen. The Iphone didn't have it at launch and its the only way to buy things for it.
There's a difference between not allowing an app store and wanting it, but not having it ready. Steve Jobs trolled every iPhone user for a year with web apps until the 3G came out. (And I still think one day he'll wake up, call Tim Cook and tell him to yank every game from the iOS store because they're damaging the platform).
Edit: Wrong phone
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 29, 2011, 09:37:00 AM
The gamestop prices seem to be BS to me. But then again PSP games were $40-50 at launch now they are all $20-40 because the market place wouldn't sustain it. I think if people try to sell $50 3DS game it won't last long.
Also lame no Samus in DOA outside of level cameo. I still want that game buy my desire decresaed somewhat.
I agree $50 for a 3DS game is way too much. I know its more high tech than a DSi but $50 is far too much. I think the 3DS prices (http://www.3dsconsolefinder.co.uk/) are fair enough though. Knew it was gonna be around $250, got my pre order in because they are gonna fly off the shelves.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on January 29, 2011, 01:13:27 PM
Every one thinks that the 3DS is going to fly off the shelves, and it will because it is a hot product, but what everyone fails to realize is that the price for the 3DS will turn away casuals who will stick with their DS systems. Of course the Wii was hard to get at first because the casuals and hardcore gamers stampeded into retail shops of all sorts to get one. I do not see this happening with the 3DS. There is no doubt that there will be a large demand for the 3DS, but I only see Nintendo loyalists picking up the 3DS, and even some of their loyal people are on the fence about buying the 3DS if this forum is indicative. Overall, the 3DS sales will spike, but you will also be able to buy one easily if you want one.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on January 29, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
Delaying the eShop gives pirates a chance to crack the system and Nintendo the opportunity to patch the hole with an update that everyone will definitely want.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on January 29, 2011, 10:45:35 PM
I heard we won't even get 3D on launch day, it's coming in a patch two months later.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on January 29, 2011, 11:00:29 PM
I don't really think the price will be as much of an issue as some think.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 30, 2011, 12:30:48 AM
Me neither. While I think it affects demand, there are still more than enough people who want a 3DS and are willing to pay a premium for one. Each shipment of 3DS will probably consistently sell out for the rest of the year since it takes months to increase production. The difference is that most people who want one before the holiday season will most likely be able to get one at some point this year without having to resort to price gouging sellers on ebay. I don't think it'll be like the Wii at all where even over a year past launch people were having trouble finding one.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Guitar Smasher on January 30, 2011, 03:42:39 AM
The difference is that most people who want one before the holiday season will most likely be able to get one at some point this year without having to resort to price gouging sellers on ebay. I don't think it'll be like the Wii at all where even over a year past launch people were having trouble finding one.
Not until Nintendo releases a killer app. You never know what they'll show at E3.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 30, 2011, 04:50:59 AM
It's bugging me more and more that there's no baseball game at launch. The system comes out less than a week before the start of the season, and baseball seems, at least to me, like it has more obvious ways to be improved by 3D visuals than most other sports (think of the usual view in a baseball game, from the catcher's point of view looking at the pitcher: wouldn't it be awesome to see depth there, from you to the pitcher, and then back to the stadium behind him?). We're getting a Madden game, despite the fact that the season will have been over for almost two months and the new Madden will be coming out just over four months later, but there's no game for the sport that will actually be in season. There's even a Power Pro baseball game coming out in Japan, a Konami series that has been brought to America with the MLB license in the past, but I guess they didn't want the easy money that comes with being in the launch window.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on January 30, 2011, 08:51:58 AM
2K has the license for third-party MLB games, so Konami would either have to negotiate with 2K (which they did for Power Pros) or Nintendo (who haven't published a licensed baseball game since the N64) to get a new Power Pros out.
As for the sales of the 3DS, it'll be fine. Tech nerds will buy it for the 3D/AR stuff at launch along with the Nintendo fanbase, which will carry it until the first price drop. At that point, it'll be cheaper than an entry-level iDevice and will last longer (5+ years v 2) so parents will see it as a safe investment for the kids.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
It is like history repeating itself, I remember people complaining that DS was rushed. Seriously when has NIntendo ever released a product that wasn't at the very least technically reliable. GameCube was "rushed", DS was "rushed", N64 was "rushed", etc etc, and yet all were reliable hardware wise. 3DS will do fine, it has a comparable price to what Wii was, with DS it was only $50 cheaper then GC at launch, and it had hardware comparable to N64. Also keep in mind, people here and elsewhere were complaining about Wii's price, saying it would hurt it, guess what? That couldn't have been further from the truth.
So I think a lot of people will be eating their words.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Enner on January 30, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
People like playing doom and gloom forecasters :D
I don't think there is much doubt that the hardware will be sound. It's the software and the online features that everyone seems to be talking about.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: EasyCure on January 30, 2011, 12:17:37 PM
It is like history repeating itself, I remember people complaining that DS was rushed. Seriously when has NIntendo ever released a product that wasn't at the very least technically reliable. GameCube was "rushed", DS was "rushed", N64 was "rushed", etc etc, and yet all were reliable hardware wise. 3DS will do fine, it has a comparable price to what Wii was, with DS it was only $50 cheaper then GC at launch, and it had hardware comparable to N64. Also keep in mind, people here and elsewhere were complaining about Wii's price, saying it would hurt it, guess what? That couldn't have been further from the truth.
So I think a lot of people will be eating their words.
For a gothic dark princess, you're pretty positive :)
Am I the only one really fighting the urge to buy one at launch and wait for a revision? The price isn't an issue, because I know they'll only drop the price of the 3DS (original) when they release a "3DS Lite" meaning you'll still pay the same price for the revision. I just reeeally hate having to wait for the inevitable. I don't wanna pay for a slightly different, but ultimately superior, version twice ya know? At the same time I'm sick of missing out on so many games; I didn't buy a DS until Mario Kart DS came out which was right around the time the DSL either came out or was announce (and I had no idea, so I bought the red DS PHAT) and because of this I missed a lot of those launch games because once I got into it, there were bigger and better games out.
I've never been a big portable player so while I've had interest in checking out some older games (even the Mario 64 port for some odd reason), and I'm sure it'll be the same thing with the 3DS; I'll buy it, and only own a handful of games, most of which I'll never even complete. Why go through that again? Why spend the money on a new handheld and a few new games? Because Nintendo has become a drug to me and I know down the line I'll need my fix.
This thing comes out in March? Is that just the Japanese launch or is that US as well? I haven't been following the news much because I'm really trying to stay off the wagon. Besides a slimmer form factor, what do you think the revision will have? Maybe a second front-facing camera? I don't think thats even worth it for me, i barely use the camera on my DSi.. should I just wait or should I just cave in and preorder one now!?
I think we need a forum support group. Who wants to sponsor me?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2011, 12:31:52 PM
Yeah waiting for a revision is something I can understand, it is sad that it is the norm for about every system out there. It is no longer a slight redesign of the "look" of the system, but better features, most of the time things that should have been included in the first place.
I guess with 3DS I don't see anything that is really glaring besides the battery, and I have no doubt there will be a 3rd party solution to that.
It comes out at the end of March in the US.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2011, 02:15:15 PM
2K has the license for third-party MLB games, so Konami would either have to negotiate with 2K (which they did for Power Pros) or Nintendo (who haven't published a licensed baseball game since the N64) to get a new Power Pros out.
Don't forget that Nintendo has a completed baseball game that was supposed to come out a while ago just sitting on the shelves back @ Nintendo HQ.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 30, 2011, 07:46:14 PM
Yeah waiting for a revision is something I can understand, it is sad that it is the norm for about every system out there. It is no longer a slight redesign of the "look" of the system, but better features, most of the time things that should have been included in the first place.
I guess with 3DS I don't see anything that is really glaring besides the battery, and I have no doubt there will be a 3rd party solution to that.
It comes out at the end of March in the US.
Even though Nintendo was revision happy with DS, I can't see them revising the 3DS that much. With the DS redesigns, you saw that Nintendo made better screens, slimmed it down, added multimedia features, and digital game downloads. With 3DS they are having all that functionality and more from the get-go, any other feature they would want on the system can be technically included via a firmware update, the original DS didn't have the luxury at all and thus you saw all these revisions for all of these functions. The only thing that can be considered missing on the 3DS is bluetooth which could of been useful for some kind of peripherals, then again that kind of feature can be built into 3DS game carts for games that would require it just like the Pokemon typing game for the DS.
The only revisions I can possibly see is a XL model with a slightly higher battery capacity, but that might on the other hand I don't really see that happening, because a bigger 3D LCD would probably be too expensive for that to become a reality (at least for a while).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2011, 08:16:25 PM
what about an inward facing 3D camera set-up for video chat? How about added RAM for improved OS background operation. More onboard flash built in. New and improved screens with wider viewing angles. All of those would be good for a revision.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
what about an inward facing 3D camera set-up for video chat? How about added RAM for improved OS background operation. More onboard flash built in. New and improved screens with wider viewing angles. All of those would be good for a revision.
Those really aren't that important except for better screens. Also Nintendo doesn't seem overly big on adding more flash memory to systems, they'll just have a solution like the Wii has. And background OS, I doubt it will be slow in the first place, Nintendo usually is quite good about making responsive menus.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on January 30, 2011, 10:39:06 PM
what about an inward facing 3D camera set-up for video chat?
I can't see that happening.
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How about added RAM for improved OS background operation.
Technically Nintendo can lower the OS RAM footprint if they ever needed it, but I highly doubt that Nintendo will improve the RAM on later models for OS background operation since that can easily divide the user base in a significant manner. Anyways Sony improved the RAM from 32MB to 64MB when transitioning to the PSP-2000 and later models but the extra RAM was only used for UMD caching in an attempt reduce load times.
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More onboard flash built in.
Since games supposedly are able to be executed straight from an SD card this would be pointless. In addition to that, this generation all of Nintendo's devices all had the same amount of internal storage available.
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New and improved screens with wider viewing angles.
With the nature of the 3D technology that Nintendo is using, it's would be hard to achieve a better viewing angle for the 3D effect.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2011, 11:01:24 PM
When the DSi released, it had more RAM inside and the addition of cameras.
I could see a 3DSi getting released that not only has a new updated screen with slightly better viewing angles, but more ram and a 3D inward camera.
The extra RAM could be used for all sorts of camera related things including video chat and 3DSi enhanced casual games. More internal flash added ontop(and extra GB or 2 will cost nothing) of that and you have a bunch of bullet points to justify a slightly higher price than the original 3DS at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 31, 2011, 02:24:54 AM
When the DSi released, it had more RAM inside and the addition of cameras.
I could see a 3DSi getting released that not only has a new updated screen with slightly better viewing angles, but more ram and a 3D inward camera.
The extra RAM could be used for all sorts of camera related things including video chat and 3DSi enhanced casual games. More internal flash added ontop(and extra GB or 2 will cost nothing) of that and you have a bunch of bullet points to justify a slightly higher price than the original 3DS at launch.
The DSi had more ram because it had a whole new user interface and more features. It was basically a bridge system between DSi and 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 31, 2011, 05:33:13 PM
I was playing with my DSi the other day and I really like the form factor. It's simple, minimalistic, and the matte finish is a much better choice than the glossy outer shell of the DS Lite. There's really no way to make the DSi any more compact than it already is. Besides potentially cutting some depth (the space above the top screen and below the bottoms screen), the 3DS is pretty compact. I'm not sure a Lite version is even necessary. If anything, I think a revision similar to the backlit GBA is more likely where it looks the same aesthetically but some of the insides have been changed for the better. Obviously, with time, the chipset can be made smaller and more energy efficient and with that extra space a larger battery could even be put in, further improving battery life.
Additionally (and less likely), Nintendo could skip the Lite stage and go right for a DSi-esque revision with bumped up specs. In my little dream world, I would hope for larger higher-res screens with the extra RAM and processing power used to take advantage of said screens instead of just larger screens at the same resolution like DSi and DSi XL. I'm not suggesting 3DSi (for lack of a better name) specific titles. Rather, games could run a 3DSi-mode for sharper visuals. Better screens would also call for better camera and a larger form factor would allow for a much large battery. This could also bridge a graphics disparity between 3DS and NGP. Wishful thinking, but it's fun to think about. I would totally buy this version, no question.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 01:16:34 AM
Here is part of the reason I'm in no rush to buy the 3DS and I'm sorta hoping for a 3DSLite redesign if not a 3DSi one instead.
I wanted to change it more. I thought about a completely new three-layer structure that you see when you closed the system. Each layer would be a slightly different color in a three-tone gradation.
(http://i.imgur.com/lhId4.jpg)
There were also reasons of functionality for having three layers. For the top layer, we want players to open their Nintendo 3DS system very often, so in order to make it easy to open, we wanted to use a distinct reverse taper. (http://i.imgur.com/3jWtX.jpg) [...] By boldly using that shape for the top layer, without having to add in a niche for your finger, you could easily open the lid at any point along its edge. For the second layer, it was decided to put a sound volume slider and LED lights on the side, so in order to avoid accidentally hitting buttons when operating the system or carrying it around, we decided to concentrate them on that single layer and make the whole layer a bit of an indentation, which would make the top layer even easier to open. [...] Then for the bottom layer, I wondered if we could adopt something like the sign system at airports. I thought putting icons or lettering on the third level for the buttons and LED lights on the second level would be a good way to make everything clear to users.
I would love for a more flush like design. Something that doesn't have 3 distinct layers and a top that sticks out. I would also like for the analog slider to be the same color as your system. Not sure if those are things that would be addressed in a redesign, but those are reasons that I won't be lining up on Day 1 to go pick one up unless some really enticing can't miss software makes its way to launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2011, 05:23:08 AM
I wanted to change it more. I thought about a completely new three-layer structure that you see when you closed the system. Each layer would be a slightly different color in a three-tone gradation.
(http://i.imgur.com/lhId4.jpg)
There were also reasons of functionality for having three layers. For the top layer, we want players to open their Nintendo 3DS system very often, so in order to make it easy to open, we wanted to use a distinct reverse taper. (http://i.imgur.com/3jWtX.jpg) [...] By boldly using that shape for the top layer, without having to add in a niche for your finger, you could easily open the lid at any point along its edge. For the second layer, it was decided to put a sound volume slider and LED lights on the side, so in order to avoid accidentally hitting buttons when operating the system or carrying it around, we decided to concentrate them on that single layer and make the whole layer a bit of an indentation, which would make the top layer even easier to open. [...] Then for the bottom layer, I wondered if we could adopt something like the sign system at airports. I thought putting icons or lettering on the third level for the buttons and LED lights on the second level would be a good way to make everything clear to users.
I would love for a more flush like design. Something that doesn't have 3 distinct layers and a top that sticks out. I would also like for the analog slider to be the same color as your system. Not sure if those are things that would be addressed in a redesign, but those are reasons that I won't be lining up on Day 1 to go pick one up unless some really enticing can't miss software makes its way to launch.
I better hold off on one too, I want the analog stick to be multicolored, and the system to have my name on it. Those are big deals to me!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 03, 2011, 09:25:31 AM
I'm not too fond of that design, but I know there's no way I'm going to be able to wait for a redesign, or even a price drop, so I'm just going to go ahead and buy it right away.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on February 03, 2011, 10:42:56 AM
I wont be a sucker this time around either! I'm only buying one at launch!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2011, 12:25:53 PM
I better hold off on one too, I want the analog stick to be multicolored, and the system to have my name on it. Those are big deals to me!
Be sarcastic all you want, but unless there are all sorts of software that I just can't wait to have at launch (we still don't know what is going to launch with the system), then I can wait till Xmas when someone else will buy it for me. I'm not too fond of how the system looks and would love for a slight re-design. If it doesn't come before the must-have software, then so be it, but I have no problems not rushing out on Day 1 at this point.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on February 03, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
I didn't rush out on day one for any handheld. And I recall the launches for both the GBA and DS had lackluster launch titles. GBA's standout was Castlevania and DS didn't have a true exemplary title until Mario Kart in my opinion. Nintendo seems to launch their handhelds with remakes.
GBC had Link's Awakening DX GBA had Mario Brothers 2 DS had Mario 64 remake Now 3DS has StarFox and Zelda64 (and maybe Pilotwings)
Or am I forgetting some titles?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on February 03, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
GBC had Link's Awakening DX Now 3DS has StarFox and Zelda64 (and maybe Pilotwings)
Neither Star For nor Zelda will be launch games (confirmed by Nintendo). Link's Awakening wasn't a GBC launch title. Nintendo's GBC launch games were Tetris DX and Game & Watch Gallery 2. The other launch games were Centipede and Bomberman, so a pretty terrible launch lineup (SMB DX came out the next year).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on February 04, 2011, 04:07:49 AM
Really? I stand corrected again. I just remember getting the GBC as a gift with Zelda DX for my birthday so I must have assumed it was a launch or near launch game.
Aren't the 3DS titles 'launch window' which in this day and age seem to be close to the same thing as launch?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on February 04, 2011, 05:16:05 PM
Really? I stand corrected again. I just remember getting the GBC as a gift with Zelda DX for my birthday so I must have assumed it was a launch or near launch game.
I just checked wikipedia. In North America, GBC came out on November 18, 1998. Link's Awakening DX came out December 1, 1998. Launch window, close enough. On a side note, I was so pissed when GBC was announced at E3. I had just bought a Gameboy Pocket that February. C-c-c-combo breaker.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on February 07, 2011, 08:34:44 AM
Really? I stand corrected again. I just remember getting the GBC as a gift with Zelda DX for my birthday so I must have assumed it was a launch or near launch game.
I just checked wikipedia. In North America, GBC came out on November 18, 1998. Link's Awakening DX came out December 1, 1998. Launch window, close enough. On a side note, I was so pissed when GBC was announced at E3. I had just bought a Gameboy Pocket that February. C-c-c-combo breaker.
The ironic thing is my birthday is in April. So I got it a whole lot later. I avoided the Pocket because by the time I could have gotten it I heard about the GBC and since the old Brick GBs still worked fine I felt little need for the upgrade. I remember one morning I saw my friend with a brand new Pocket he was showing off and I was like 'you should have waited for the Color...' he didn't believe me because he said it would be stupid to release a new Gameboy since this one was so new. Funny how times change and system revisions are so common today.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on February 07, 2011, 10:20:07 PM
Blame Apple.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 15, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 15, 2011, 02:07:16 PM
Never heard of the site, I wonder why someone would leak (if the info is real) the stuff to some unknown site rather than someplace like IGN or GameSpot? It would be like leaking a news story to a town newspaper of 2,000 people rather than to CNN or USA Today.
If it is true though, then those prices are not that bad.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on February 15, 2011, 06:14:56 PM
Under the table deals? Personal friendship/relationship with business insider?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on February 17, 2011, 01:26:27 PM
That's dirt cheap, if true. Although like TJ, I have to wonder how accurate this is.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 17, 2011, 01:39:55 PM
Isn't this more expensive than a Wii Dev kit and certainly more expensive than a DS one though?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 17, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
Yes, the Wii SDK is about $2,000.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 18, 2011, 05:25:31 AM
Hi-Rez & direct feed pics of the 3DS OS http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25998943&postcount=1 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25998943&postcount=1) Looks really nice and very clean.
edit: More pics from the Press Kit http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25999582&postcount=82 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25999582&postcount=82) Close up of the system and box for the 3DS
and Lifestyle Pics showing off the 3DS in peoples hands http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25999804&postcount=90 and surprisingly no one went crosseyed.... yet
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on February 18, 2011, 10:47:19 AM
Sexy stuff.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on February 18, 2011, 12:37:25 PM
The 3DS does look great on other people's hands.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on February 18, 2011, 03:36:15 PM
Is the Nintendo World Store having some sort of party when the 3DS launches? I'm probably going to be in New York City on this day.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on February 18, 2011, 05:39:37 PM
We've had those press kit assets up since the 3DS event last month. Just saying.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 18, 2011, 07:01:37 PM
Hmmmm, I never saw them. Must have overlooked that story.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on February 18, 2011, 07:04:18 PM
We don't usually make stories for new assets, though the latest ones can always be found in a list on the front page, and event ones are also linked from the relevant event pages on the right-hand side.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 18, 2011, 10:18:47 PM
We don't usually make stories for new assets, though the latest ones can always be found in a list on the front page, and event ones are also linked from the relevant event pages on the right-hand side.
That would explain how I never saw it ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: circasurviver on February 20, 2011, 11:44:32 AM
Richard (@RichardR (http://twitter.com/#!/RichardR)), a very lucky gamer has got some hands-on time with a retail unit of the 3DS with the help of a manager at GAME and has leaked the first details about the two StreetPass-based games (http://nintendo3dsblog.com/the-3ds-has-a-couple-of-small-streetpass-based-games-built-into-the-operating-system) built into the operating system. The games themselves are known as StreetPass Quest and StreetPass Puzzle.
StreetPass Quest begins with your Mii trapped in a tower. To escape, you must use Miis you have collected via StreetPass and battle increasingly powerful enemies in turn-based combat. If you haven’t collected any Miis then you’re able to purchase a cat in armour to act as a substitute. You purchase this cat with two game coins, which have been previously (http://nintendo3dsblog.com/the-nintendo-3ds-features-a-game-coins-system-that-ties-in-with-the-pedometer) detailed (http://nintendo3dsblog.com/more-details-about-game-coins-pretty-much-impossible-to-be-gamed-effectively). The cat has two attack options: sword and magic. Richard guesstimated that there were about 16-32 different levels you could work your way through and you’ll need to battle with each enemy about 2-3 times to match their power. You can fight your way through the game with up to three Miis at a time. Failed attempts at rescuing your Mii from the tower are met with details about enemies you have defeated and the remaining health of enemies who you’ve tried to take on but failed to take down, so it sounds like this quest will require an investment over time, rather than just a single sitting. The goal of StreetPass Puzzle is to construct a 3D puzzle. But to complete this puzzle you need to collect pieces by interacting with other folks via StreetPass. The more people you interact with, the more puzzle pieces you gain until you can finally complete the puzzle. Richard was unable to test this game out fully however as it does rely on StreetPass interaction which he lacked. http://nintendo3dsblog.com/gamer-gets-time-with-3ds-leaks-details-about-streetpass-quest-and-streetpass-puzzle
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on February 25, 2011, 12:05:48 PM
Awesome 3DS Trailer. Awesome in that I think the device will really sell with a trailer like this. Kind like how everyone went nuts at the first E3 Wii was playable because our imiganations ran wild. Same here, except these genuine reactions will actually live up to what you would expect out of the machine.
http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=15061
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on February 25, 2011, 01:59:00 PM
Incoming urge to buy... *sigh*.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on February 25, 2011, 08:09:48 PM
Those StreetPass games sound cool. More built-in software is always good, especially since the online system is delayed.
They should have backwards compatible single cart multiplayer. That way, you could jealousy-trip current DS/DSi owners into upgrading.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on February 25, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
This might sound like a dumb question, but would anyone on this forum be willing to trade in their Wii for a 3DS? Honestly, I impressed by the 3DS but I would never trade in a home console for a handheld ever because the home console still offers more to me in terms of getting into a game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 25, 2011, 08:48:38 PM
Honestly, I'd take that deal if I got all my Wii games in 3DS form. I wouldn't do it if it meant giving up Mario Galaxy or Donkey Kong Country or stuff like that, but if I got to take all those with me, I'd probably prefer a handheld to a console.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: brain on February 26, 2011, 04:34:39 AM
3DS not soon out?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 26, 2011, 04:45:50 AM
This might sound like a dumb question, but would anyone on this forum be willing to trade in their Wii for a 3DS? Honestly, I impressed by the 3DS but I would never trade in a home console for a handheld ever because the home console still offers more to me in terms of getting into a game.
I have 3 Wiis and I'm sure I could find a used one for $99 or less, so yes, I would trade in a Wii for a 3DS without a second thought.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on February 26, 2011, 03:24:54 PM
@kytim I find it odd that you preface your first reasonable question with 'this might sound like a dumb question'. :)
But, my answer is absolutely. I like my Wii, but I haven't been playing it much lately. I plan on picking up the new Kirby and DK, but I'm a big budgeter(is that a word lol) and most of my spending money will be going toward a 3DS and games, then a 3DTV and 3D Blu-Rays around Black Friday. I might pick up a new smartphone/tablet in the summer, (not likely a 3D one) but that's only if my current phone continues its degenerative trend.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on February 26, 2011, 03:41:15 PM
I'm actually with Insanolord on this one. If I could have analogues or ports of my favorite Wii games and all my vc purchases brought to my 3DS, I'd sell my Wii in a heart beat.
It's not because I dislike my Wii or motion controls (I love both). It's just that, for me, I get way more playtime opportunity with my handheld than my home console. As it is right now, I game as much outside the home as I do at home! And when I do get the opportunity to sit down to game, 75% of it is devoted to my PC while the other 20% is on my Wii (5% on my PS3).
The release of the 3DS for me is almost like a new Nintendo console release. I've owned and beaten almost all the Wii games I've wanted (25+) outside a handful of past gems I need to pick up and the few standout releases coming this year. Outside that, I have absolutely nothing to look forward to on the Wii and as far as I'm concerned, it's in its golden years time (about 2-3 amazing standout releases a quarter interspersed with nothing but garbage ::) ).
The 3DS is releasing just in time for me to pick up that slack and fill in those gaps between the last few mega hits the Wii has left in it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 26, 2011, 05:57:21 PM
Nikkei: ''3DS first shipment was 400k, it sold out in minutes'' (http://www.nikkei.com/news/headline/article/g=96958A9C93819696E0E4E2E3828DE0E4E2E0E0E2E3E3E2E2E2E2E2E2;)
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Nintendou 26th, which was released the same day a three-dimensional (3D) display for a portable game machine, "Nintendo 3DS" it was announced the first shipment of 40 million strong. And a line for early morning turnout at electronics stores throughout is strong and seems to be minutes of the first day sales were nearly sold out.
The country is expected to supply about 150 million units by March 31. In the West, due out in late March, expects to sell 400 million units worldwide in fiscal 2010.
I think the numerical values have two 0's too many added. 40,000,000 (40 million) should be 400,000 & 150,000,000 (150 million) should be 1,500,000
also, it sold out in minutes!
MINUTES
MINUTES
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: oohhboy on February 26, 2011, 06:19:34 PM
Yeah, your right, it reads 40 ten thousand = 400,000 and 150 ten thousand = 1,500,000 respectively.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on February 26, 2011, 07:27:23 PM
For anyone wondering how a DS game like Super Mario 64 will play with the slide pad then check out this video.
in other words, it works fine with both the analog and digital pads. and you can use either one or both to your preference.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 26, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
Wow, the people who post at 1UP are as bad as the people on Xbox Live. Do they not realize that you make yourself sound less intelligent by cursing in every single sentence? That's why I don't post on boards like that.
Anyways, good news. I can see some people going back and playing Super Mario 64 DS again thanks to the circle pad (I preferred Nintendo's original name of slide pad).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 26, 2011, 09:03:52 PM
I'd think playing Mario 64 DS with the circle pad would be even worse than playing with the d-pad, or at least no better. It doesn't magically make it analog control; it's still digital, but now it's less precise because it's being converted to digital input from an analog mechanism.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on February 27, 2011, 06:48:05 AM
I'll give it a try. I might even pick it up at launch. I never touched the DS version of Mario 64.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 27, 2011, 11:49:01 AM
Now we know one MAJOR reason that Nintendo has delayed the first firmware update for 3DS and made sure it included stuff you will want (3DS Store and Web Browser) http://kotaku.com/#!5771197/heres-the-3ds-already-running-an-r4-cartridge (http://kotaku.com/#!5771197/heres-the-3ds-already-running-an-r4-cartridge)
I'm guesing that this is the underlying reason for delaying something that has likely been completed more-or-less months ago and it would make perfect sense to me too. Nintendo knows they have new security for the 3DS but also knows that the minute they release the hardware, someone is gonna try and test that security for oversights and exploits. So Big N holds back the first update to see what develops in the first 1-2 months after launch and then attempts to shut it down with a pretty much mandatory update to the firmware that everyone will want since it includes new features.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on February 27, 2011, 12:11:39 PM
As soon as I saw that the those flash cards were working, at least for original DS games I figured that might be part of why the online store and browser were delayed. If those people were smart they would have waited as well but they jumped the gun. At least Nintendo could then get some of the earlier hacks taken care of I hope.
Another reason why I think the StreetPass is going to be significant. If you take your system anywhere with you, you run the risk of running into someone else that has the most recent firmware. While the wifi can be turned off I don't think this feature can, can it? Either they updated their system or got it from someone else they passed. So hack the system all you want, there is a good chance it could be undone by taking yours out of the house. Even then that might not work if you are in an apartment building or in a house that is very near another one either side. The person below, above, or next door to you could have an updated firmware. A wide net will be cast for the most part in key areas. Especailly in schools and school buses in the US at least.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 27, 2011, 12:20:37 PM
StreetPass only works when the system in on (in sleep mode). If someone doesn't want to risk their system being updated through it, they can just turn their 3DS off.
I don't think R4 cards had anything to do with the delay for online features. I think Nintendo just wants to have all the promised features available at the same time (remember that the Wii had stuff like the Internet Channel and Forecast Channel come out after the Wii launched). I do see Nintendo doing firmware updates more often with the 3DS to combat piracy (I think the DSi only had 1 firmware update).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on February 27, 2011, 12:23:36 PM
StreetPass can be turned off and people who hack their systems are not going to update the firmware anyway so I don't see how delaying the eShop fits into that. After every security update someone is going to find a workaround.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 27, 2011, 02:16:06 PM
I doubt that they'll actually block the DS flashcarts from working - mainly because they've already sold what, 150 million DS systems, so no one is buying the 3DS to get into regular DS games, they're getting it for 3DS games - and because this does not allow you (and cannot allow you) to play 3DS backups. This only works with regular DS games, it doesn't even work with DSi games. To be honest, I doubt that they can even block them to begin with. 3DS flashcarts, yes, if that ever happens, they will no doubt be able to block them with updates.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 27, 2011, 05:29:31 PM
Yes, this is for DS games, but if they can play R4 carts on the 3DS now, it's only a matter of time before someone finds some sort of work around to allow the R4 cards to work on DSi or maybe even eventually 3DS games. So my whole speculated point about delaying the 3DSshop was that EVERYONE will want to update their firmware to have the eShop and other features enabled, so sliding a few extra security updates in along with it is a no brainer.
If you are not gonna want to update your FW from the shipped version, then you have to buy a second 3DS so that you can access the eShop. Nintendo sorta wins either way since they profit on all hardware sold. There is no guarantee that R4 cards will ever read anything beyond a regular DS card, but I'm sure Nintendo was anticipating this to see how they can block the R4 card altogether on the 3DS in the first update that everyone will eagerly download as soon as it's available.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on February 27, 2011, 05:55:50 PM
I don't understand.
So R4 cards only work for DS games, and suddenly Nintendo has to be worried about them working on the 3DS whose carts are a little different from DS carts? I can't imagine the system being stupid enough to load a 3DS game from a DS cart.
If/when someone gets a 3DS R4 or whatever, it will likely be after the eShop launches since the hackers would also anticipating the firmware, because even if it doesn't have security updates it will make the system function differently, which will affect the hacker's program. Not to mention the time needed to write the program.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 27, 2011, 06:03:33 PM
There were ways to trick a DS into loading DS software from a GBA flash cart, so being able to load 3DS software from a DS flash device wouldn't be unprecedented.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on February 27, 2011, 07:17:57 PM
Unless I am mistaken, I believe you needed to have a DS cart in the slot to load a DS game from the GBA slot.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 27, 2011, 07:31:41 PM
Yeah, whether it would work would depend on how Nintendo set up DS backward compatibility. It could also work via a hack to the firmware, such as the inevitable DS Homebrew Channel.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 27, 2011, 07:38:04 PM
So R4 cards only work for DS games, and suddenly Nintendo has to be worried about them working on the 3DS whose carts are a little different from DS carts? I can't imagine the system being stupid enough to load a 3DS game from a DS cart.
If/when someone gets a 3DS R4 or whatever, it will likely be after the eShop launches since the hackers would also anticipating the firmware, because even if it doesn't have security updates it will make the system function differently, which will affect the hacker's program. Not to mention the time needed to write the program.
I'll try to explain it differently since you don't seem to understand what I'm trying to get at here (there have been 2 new post since i started typing this).
Everyone wants the 1st FW update since it includes the eShop and Internet browser and stuff Nintendo wants a public test on current security features to see if they have overlooked anything or to see if it gets circumvented too easily. Nintendo holds back the 1 update everyone is sure to download and install so that they can include any such updates that may be necessary and be able to likely get the widest %age 3DS' to updates because of the includes bonuses (eShop, etc, etc,)
Now because of this testing in the wild, they know that the R4 cards work from the get-go and that people are using them on their 3DS'. R4 cards could become a potential future problem on 3DS the same way it was on DS if someone finds an exploit through the R4 to allow for DSi or 3DS games,
So now Nintendo can likely put out a firmware that blocks the use of R4 at all and gets the widest spread of it's installation since the update also includes the eShop, Internet browser and other new stuff that every 3DS owner wants access to. Not to mention any other tweaks that need to be made that weren't discovered until after the system released.
If they had launched the shop and browser right away, then alot of people might not have opted for the update and instead decide to just keep the systems off-network since they already have internet access and already transfered over all their previous software.
tl;dr - Security updates hidden within the 1st and most anticipated update to the 3DS that is most likely to be downloaded by the entire userbase as soon as available.
And from what I read, it's only a very specific type of flashcard that is able to work, so what I was speculating is probably even more likely that you think. Nintendo probably already blocked the use of every flashcard they had onsite and held back the first update to see which ones they may have missed. Now that they know that so far it's only 1 very specific card with a specific FW installed, they now have 3 months to write the new firmware to block out that one and any others they may have missed or never heard of.
Holding back the 1st FW update could be the 1st test of updating security measures over the network for their new OS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on February 27, 2011, 08:55:28 PM
I understood what you said, I don't understand why you think that.
You claim it's a MAJOR reaon Nintendo delayed the eShop, it isn't. If it is, Nintendo would basically be waiting to give hackers full use of the system, instead of bricking them with the first unannounced update. If in the first update there is new security, hackers simply have to wait for it, then hack away. After that, they no longer need the updates. Why would anyone hack the system BEFORE such a major update only two months away? You don't think hackers don't read the internets?
Also, even if DS backwards compatibility was powered by the 3DS's architecture, I would assume that putting in a DS game would put the system in DS mode that would shut off some power 'sipping' features of the 3DS like; 3D, StreetPass, AR (non-DSi games), etc. In the DS, because there were two slots, you could choose what to load.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 27, 2011, 09:31:25 PM
The sShop delay in all likelihood has absolutely nothing to do with DS flashcarts. Since the R4 works right out of the box, obviously Nintendo knows that it was going to work for DS games when they started manufacturing the 3DS. It would probably break compatibility if they were able to block the R4 and all other flashcarts (since many of them successfully disguise themselves as retail games upon boot). If they wanted to (or maybe more appropriately - if they could block the R4) block the R4, it would have been blocked from the get-go. Again, this only works for DS mode, and doesn't work for DSi or 3DS mode.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 27, 2011, 11:27:45 PM
But that's the thing, it does block the R4 card supposedly and the only thing that is working is something called the R4idsn or something like which I think is also known as something called an Acekard. (I could have this all wroig since I'm getting 3rd hand info from different places)
I don't know if that was the only one that was tried, but from what I was reading, it sounded like that was the only one that was working.
I could have it all wrong, and I stated in my original post that it was my speculation that this could be a major reason (not flash cards specifically, but all the little security things that they wanted to test out before updating with final launch FW)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 27, 2011, 11:48:55 PM
Just because it's not a legitimate reason doesn't mean it's not the reason Nintendo's using. In fact, looking at their history in this regard, it almost makes it more likely.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2011, 02:09:39 AM
Mario 3DS... Coming Out Of A Screen Near You!! http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/03/01/iwata_on_3ds_mario_and_sales/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/03/01/iwata_on_3ds_mario_and_sales/) not exactly... but you'll be striking blocks and stuff
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Regarding software, which the paper noted will be the key in expanding the system's userbase, Iwata provided what appears to be some hints at the first 3DS Mario game. Nintendo is experimenting with gameplay where Mario will run into the screen and strike blocks that are floating in the air. "We're making software that is packed with the kinds of surprises and enjoyment that the 3DS can deliver."
He also commented on NGP & Smartphones
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Iwata also touched upon the competition. Regarding Sony's NGP platform, he said the need to pay monthly 3G usage fees would alone decrease the customer base.Regarding the success developers have had with Apple's iOS platform, Iwata said, "We're at a period where it will be difficult to keep the value of our content if we are unable to offer experiences that can't be had on Smartphones.
I hope that doesn't mean that they are gonna ignore the experiences that a smart phone CAN provide in favor of only being different. This is the perfect time to be an "AND" company and not an "either-or" company.
Also considering what smart phones are capable of and soon to be capable of, I wonder what kind of games Nintendo has up it's sleeve.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2011, 01:40:24 PM
Here is the link to Iwata's keynote. http://gdc2011.nintendo.com (http://gdc2011.nintendo.com/)
Does someone want to start a GDC 2011 topic?
I'll make one over on the Nintendo Console board since Iwata will more then likely show a new Skyward Sword trailer which will consume the majority of any discussion, making that board the better choice.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 01, 2011, 11:53:41 PM
Wii 2. It makes sense since the 3DS is out so early in the year - Wii 2 will be out at the end of the year, will be backwards compatible with Wii and GameCube, but via emulation (still supporting actual discs though). It will be like a system on a chip like the PS3s that had the EE in them.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on March 02, 2011, 12:35:34 PM
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Watch Mr. Iwata’s "Video Games Turn 25" keynote
"Video Games Turn 25"? Videogames turned 25 a LONG time ago. Even Nintendo as a videogame company is over 25. Do they mean the NES?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 02, 2011, 12:39:16 PM
I think when it was announced that his keynote address was gonna be called that, it was stated that he was referring to GDC (although I don't know if that is right because it was started in 1988).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on March 02, 2011, 02:59:17 PM
The first time the title of Iwata's speech was discussed not enough for you guys?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2011, 04:57:00 PM
Extremely early builds of MegaMan Legends 3DS for anyone that's interested http://blog.daletto.net/dash3/archives/2585488.html
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on March 03, 2011, 02:52:56 AM
According to Mark Rein, if the 3DS could handle the unreal engine then his company would develop for it. I guess this nixes my hopes of a handheld Gears of War in 3D. :'(
Why can't Epic's developers create a modified version of their engine to accomodate the 3DS hardware? Perhaps they are too lazy or the system may not be able to handle the engine.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 03, 2011, 03:07:18 AM
Gears of War wouldn't work without a second analog stick anyway. Also, I'm pretty sure Microsoft has paid enough that it's not coming to anyone else's hardware.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 03, 2011, 07:00:51 AM
I had an idea for a Horror game the other day. The way you won was basically not to get scared. It would use all three cameras. The one facing you would detect if you were freaking out; the others would generate AR nightmares for you to freak out to.
Don't know if you can program an everything but IR filter (i.e. night vision) for the AR cameras, but it'd be sweet if you could sit in the dark and play it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on March 03, 2011, 07:07:05 AM
All the new facial features included in the 3DS Mii Maker. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcPY_rdn6rY)
In addition to rotating and moving facial features, you can also make them thinner or thicker.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 03, 2011, 11:02:44 AM
I got to play a demo unit with Kid Icarus at CeBit. The 3D effect seems pointless to me, while I could indeed see it all it did was make it feel like Pit was in front of my face while I was aiming at stuff which was just annoying. The Steel Diver rolling demo also suffered from the 3D look, it amplified the effect of the weaker graphics and made it look like the sub was tiny (instead of merely seen from far away).
I still don't get why the press was so amazed by it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on March 03, 2011, 12:05:41 PM
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Why can't Epic's developers create a modified version of their engine to accomodate the 3DS hardware? Perhaps they are too lazy or the system may not be able to handle the engine.
It is probably the simple matter that Nintendo doesn't care so they make zero effort to accomodate Epic and Epic doesn't feel like jumping through extra hoops that Sony and Microsoft don't make them jump through.
The lack of the Unreal engine on the Wii is a big reason why the third party support sucks. I highly doubt it would impossible to have something running on it but is Nintendo actively seeking out a relationship with Epic? Are they showing any interest or are willing to work with them at all? I doubt it judging by Nintendo's track record with third parties.
I'm sure if Nintendo approached Epic with the intention of getting that engine on the 3DS and were willing to provide assistance in getting it working it would happen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 03, 2011, 12:24:05 PM
After all the crap and lies Mark Rein has spewed about Nintendo and their systems, I wonder if Nintendo even wants to work with them. I wish developers would stop relying on Unreal Engine for all of their games, there are other engines out there.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on March 03, 2011, 02:02:21 PM
Why can't Epic's developers create a modified version of their engine to accomodate the 3DS hardware? Perhaps they are too lazy or the system may not be able to handle the engine.
It is probably the simple matter that Nintendo doesn't care so they make zero effort to accomodate Epic and Epic doesn't feel like jumping through extra hoops that Sony and Microsoft don't make them jump through.
The lack of the Unreal engine on the Wii is a big reason why the third party support sucks. I highly doubt it would impossible to have something running on it but is Nintendo actively seeking out a relationship with Epic? Are they showing any interest or are willing to work with them at all? I doubt it judging by Nintendo's track record with third parties.
I'm sure if Nintendo approached Epic with the intention of getting that engine on the 3DS and were willing to provide assistance in getting it working it would happen.
What better reason to attract hardcore gamers then to have one of the most hardcore developers make games for your console. Perhaps I am too ambitious, but I want bigger and badder games for my handhelds and what better way then to have Epic develope for the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on March 03, 2011, 07:18:07 PM
It is probably the simple matter that Nintendo doesn't care so they make zero effort to accomodate Epic and Epic doesn't feel like jumping through extra hoops that Sony and Microsoft don't make them jump through.
I think Nintendo cares and so does Epic if only because they both could be making so much money if the other relented. It just seems like a really drawn out game of chicken. Who is going to buckle first? I don't think Mark Rein has anything against Nintendo, but he makes no money off of the. That's the bottom line when it comes to his anti-Nintendo rhetoric. He doesn't wipe his ass with $100 bills by allocating company resources to reconstruct engines for specific platforms. The Unreal engine is a one size fits all and developers love it. For that reason, he probably feels companies like Nintendo should bend to his whims. So much support hinges on it. On the other end of the spectrum, Nintendo would have to rethink their entire strategy to accomodate Epic and by extension 3rd parties. Nintendo is a very profit focused company. 3DS is probably marked up close to $100. They like making money off of hardware even though they make more on software. To employ hardware capable of running the Unreal engine with as little optimization necessary would require Nintendo to bump up the specs and sell near or close to breaking even.
I really like this quote from Iwata from a recent Iwata asks: In Nintendo's past history, (Hiroshi) Yamauchi-san has said, "The hardware is just a box you buy only because you want to play Mario games." Those were his exact words. I think that should apply to the way Nintendo develops hardware except take out "Mario" and just consider it games in general. If more powerful hardware is what Nintendo needs in order to bring in more and better games from 3rd parties, that's what they should do. It's just a box to play games on. Nintendo stands to make more money from stronger 3rd party support than they would on marking up hardware.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on March 03, 2011, 07:20:22 PM
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After all the crap and lies Mark Rein has spewed about Nintendo and their systems, I wonder if Nintendo even wants to work with them. I wish developers would stop relying on Unreal Engine for all of their games, there are other engines out there.
A lot of popular games these days are made in the Unreal engine. I'd say Nintendo owes it to their customers to try to make those available on Nintendo systems. If they can bury the hatchet with Square, they should be able to work with pretty much anyone. Hell, Nintendo has worked with Sega, who spouted more crap about Nintendo than anyone else.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on March 03, 2011, 08:15:40 PM
It appears that Mark Rein is interested in bringing Gears of War to the PS3 since the franchise is owned by Epic. However, this might mean that a handheld version would go to the NGP since it has to analog sticks, but technically the 3DS has two analog sticks if you count the touch screen.
One thing about the 3DS is that I see its launch line up as some what inferior, but I have missed out on a **** ton of DS games, so I might take advantage of the 3DS BC and play these games while more suitable ones come out for the 3DS like Revelations and Kid Icarus.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Guitar Smasher on March 04, 2011, 12:10:03 AM
After all the crap and lies Mark Rein has spewed about Nintendo and their systems, I wonder if Nintendo even wants to work with them. I wish developers would stop relying on Unreal Engine for all of their games, there are other engines out there.
A lot of popular games these days are made in the Unreal engine. I'd say Nintendo owes it to their customers to try to make those available on Nintendo systems. If they can bury the hatchet with Square, they should be able to work with pretty much anyone. Hell, Nintendo has worked with Sega, who spouted more crap about Nintendo than anyone else.
First of all, Sega was in direct competition with Nintendo. Beyond the marketing trash-talk, there's a mutual respect involved (it doesn't hurt that they're both Japanese, as I'm sure you'll agree).
Secondly, even if the Unreal engine was on Wii, do you think we'd be seeing any real appreciation? Sure there might be more ports, just because of the huge userbase, but the devs are still going to put their "best efforts" on the other consoles, simply because of the better specs.
And the devs know that given the choice between three consoles, most multiple-console owners will buy the PS360 version just for the better graphics (and online but that's another argument). Forget the motion controls, the majority of devs aren't interested in making meaningful motion control experiences. And why would they be when the whole 'industry' judges games primarily on the quality of graphics (is it any coincidence that the standard game review lists 'graphics' as the first scoring category?).
So if Nintendo was to overcome this, they'd have to produce a console that would exceed the capabilities of the competition. But that would mean significantly increasing the cost of the console, eliminating a huge portion of their customers. It's a trade-off that I'm sure they evaluate constantly. As much as you want them to make the "everything console", they'll never be able to capture 100% of the market.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on March 04, 2011, 08:47:49 AM
I think it's fair to say that the 3DS is the most powerful system Nintendo has created to date, and if that isn't good enough for Epic, tough ****.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 04, 2011, 09:19:47 AM
Epic just claimed that there's no middle ground between 50 million dollar AAA games and indie titles made in a garage. They're just close minded.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2011, 11:45:29 AM
Extremely early builds of MegaMan Legends 3DS for anyone that's interested http://blog.daletto.net/dash3/archives/2585488.html
Mega Man Legends 3, Resident Evil Mercenaries Go Playable Later This Month! Capcom holding 3DS demo event in Akihabara. http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/03/04/capcom_3ds_demo_event/
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Was there some talk recently about Mega Man Legends 3 not being an actual game yet? Well you can put that idea to rest now! The game is going to be on playable demo at an event later this month!
Capcom announced today plans for an event tilted "3DS x Capcom Premium Demo Event." This will be held at the Belle Salle event space in Akihabara on the 29th.
The event will have Super Street IV 3D Edition, Resident Evil The Mercenaries 3D and Mega Man Legends 3 Project available for play. SFIV is already out, but the latter two have never gone playable on Japanese soil before (Mercenaries was playable for press outside of Japan).
To sample Mega Man Legends 3 and The Mercenaries 3D before others, head to Akihabara on the 29th between 15:00 and 20:00. Admission is free.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on March 04, 2011, 12:28:00 PM
What's everyone think about the talk regarding the 3DS Battery Life so far? I ask because I've been involved with a product design that I think will be *AWESOME* if the company I've worked with manages to get everything lined up. Unfortunately, it appears we're going to miss the US 3DS launch, but I'm still excited for the item.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 04, 2011, 12:34:40 PM
Yeah, UncleBob, it sounds like this will be the first time since the original Gameboy that I'll be buying some sort of external battery pack. I'm assuming that's what you're working on?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on March 04, 2011, 12:55:39 PM
What's everyone think about the talk regarding the 3DS Battery Life so far? I ask because I've been involved with a product design that I think will be *AWESOME* if the company I've worked with manages to get everything lined up. Unfortunately, it appears we're going to miss the US 3DS launch, but I'm still excited for the item.
Aha, so your little secret is about to be unfolded.
In regards to battery life, the only place I've read about it was on kotaku. Mr. Bashcraft said that it lasts 3 to 8 hours, just like Nintendo has stated. Personally I think up to 15 hours would have been optimal, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 05, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
I don't know if this was mentioned elsewhere, but it looks like Master Quest is included in the OoT 3Dmake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjq2L9ebos0&t=047
I have the collection on a GC disc, but I never played it. This might make a 3Dmake worth a purchase for me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 05, 2011, 03:32:36 PM
Epic just claimed that there's no middle ground between 50 million dollar AAA games and indie titles made in a garage. They're just close minded.
I'm going to go out and say that Epic's attitude, which is in part shared by many western developers is why Nintendo might never have a strong relationship with them the way they have with their Japanese counterparts. Instead of Nintendo crawling to them (the way Sony and Microsoft have done to a degree) and doing what they can to get their support, which can be a negative to Nintendo itself (looks at how much money Sony and Microsoft lost on their hardware doing that) Nintendo I think in a manner of speaking just does a "screw you too" and continues to do their own thing. They as a company are better for it I think even though we as customers might not be at times.
I think the N64/PS1 era when many developers pulled support (for various reasons) in favor of Sony taught Nintendo a valuable lesson. They can not and should not totally depend on 3rd party developers or have business models that put them in the red. Had Nintendo not had a good deal of their own IPs during the N64 and Cube era and had enough goodwill with buyers to introduce more they'd be gone I think. So they think about themselves first and foremost and what benefits them. As well as they should. They don't have the money to produce hardware so powerful and expensive that they need to sell at a loss just to get people to buy and so 3rd parties will make games for. It isn't going to happy. Neither would Sony or Microsoft if their gaming divisions were actual true independent entities.
I would much rather prefer Nintendo work with companies that actually are willing to work with the technology they provide. If they feel Nintendo could do better then I think they should work with them to design a system that will actually be profitable piece of hardware and not put Nintendo itself out of business. So instead of being concerned that Epic refuses to work on a Nintendo system I think more interest and support should be given to High Voltage who has a version of their Conduit engine running on the 3DS. People should be more interested in Capcom and Tecmo who has successfully developed Street Fighter and Dead or Alive games for the 3DS that are exactly like their console counterparts. Even Konami that is going to provide a true Metal Gear Solid game (remake it may be). Forget the likes of Epic I say.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 05, 2011, 05:09:28 PM
First of all, this isn't about Epic but their Unreal Engine that powers many many games.
Second of all, Nintendo does have the money (I think they are the second largest company in Japan).
Third of all, I agree.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 05, 2011, 08:23:25 PM
Speaking of battery life, I'm fine with the estimated time the 3DS was stated to last on one charge. I feel like it's time people face reality and realize that any modern electronic handheld device from your iPhone/flavor of the month Android to the 3DS and even upcoming NGP will sport battery lives that are inferior to past generation hardware by virtue that they just do so much more!
Besides, if I'm playing any handheld/draining my phone battery doing something for 3+ hours straight, you better believe I'll be in the vicinity of a wall outlet to plug the sucker in. I don't see the problem.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on March 05, 2011, 09:43:34 PM
good to see nintendo formally announcing a mario game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on March 06, 2011, 05:35:22 AM
People should never accept poor battery life as a norm. As technology changes so do batteries. They must improve with the tech. I expect batteries to have longer lives as time goes on and if they can't it is time to find a new replacement for batteries as we know it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: oohhboy on March 06, 2011, 08:44:13 AM
Actually we are coming to the end of lithium batteries. There is one or two more extensions to it with nano tubes, but chemically we are reaching the end without using some really volatile and nasty stuff you can't give a common user in a portable manner.
The next "battery" are going to be super capacitors and hybrids, but I wouldn't expect it for another 5-10 years when they surpass Lithium Ions in power density. They have many advantages over a normal battery including shape, extremely fast recharge, efficiency and number of cycles.
Even then no matter how powerful the battery, you can always find an application that will out strip it not to mention you have to deal with all the heat produced.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 06, 2011, 09:05:10 AM
That's my exact reasoning behind why I'm not upset over battery life. Portable tech as a whole is really bumping the ceiling on reasonable battery life and new consumer level battery tech is a much more slower beast to develop. Hell, before the smartphone age, I remember charging my phone once every few days. Now it gets charged AT LEAST once a day, and on average twice depending upon usage.
I'm not trying to be an apologist for companies (Nintendo included) putting out devices with less than stellar battery life. But I'm also being realistic in my expectations. The psp was the last handheld device to have moving parts and because everything is such a generational leap in power going forward, I expect everyone will have similar "new gen" battery lives until battery tech can be upgraded again.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 06, 2011, 02:41:15 PM
Speaking of battery life, I'm fine with the estimated time the 3DS was stated to last on one charge. I feel like it's time people face reality and realize that any modern electronic handheld device from your iPhone/flavor of the month Android to the 3DS and even upcoming NGP will sport battery lives that are inferior to past generation hardware by virtue that they just do so much more!
New hardware also reduces power consumption so you can maintain a high battery life despite getting better hardware by staying behind the curve, something Nintendo is most likely doing.
If the 3DS has a battery life that's on par with the iPod Touch it's an abject failure.
On the other hand the DSi supposedly gets 2-4 hours of battery life when running at full brightness but by going down a few steps you can get up to 14 hours or so out of it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 06, 2011, 03:08:24 PM
Yup. Knowledge of how to stretch any portable device's battery life to the limit is very crucial nowadays. Fortunately a lot of devices have the options that allow you to tweek battery usage beyond the highest draining settings.
And I agree, the iPod Touch/iPhone battery lives are deplorable.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 06, 2011, 03:10:19 PM
And I agree, the iPod Touch/iPhone battery lives are deplorable.
Only when playing games. I mainly use my iPod Touch for music and podcasts and I only have to recharge it after about 20 hours (I don't know the max time though since I always have it hooked up to my computer when I am at home).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 06, 2011, 03:53:20 PM
I can get about 6 hours of game time from my iPhone 4, and that's with Wi-Fi and 3G both on. That's not bad in my book, especially given the kinds of games I tend to play on the thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: SixthAngel on March 07, 2011, 12:15:59 AM
I can get about 6 hours of game time from my iPhone 4, and that's with Wi-Fi and 3G both on. That's not bad in my book, especially given the kinds of games I tend to play on the thing.
I'm pretty sure that when they say "wi-fi on" when talking about the 3DS they are actually talking about playing a game that is using it. The regular DS only turns wifi on when you are using it so I assume this is the same. You may have both of them "on" in the settings but are you actually playing an online game? Also I think the phone will only connect one way (probably wifi because its faster) and won't actually use both connections even if they are both on.
I see no problem with the battery life since it doesn't really seem much different from my current ds. I've heard the max brightness is ridiculous on the 3ds and cutting it brings hours of gameplay. I have never played my dslite on max brightness. Wi-fi is another huge battery drain that I would barely use on the 3ds and certainly woudn't use for 5 hours outside of my house since I would have to be sitting at a wifi spot for that long.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 07, 2011, 01:29:46 PM
I think on the 3DS Wi-Fi will be on a lot more regularly. The friends list and the light indicating when people are online would require a persistent Wi-Fi connection.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: the_dan_x on March 08, 2011, 08:27:03 AM
I think on the 3DS Wi-Fi will be on a lot more regularly. The friends list and the light indicating when people are online would require a persistent Wi-Fi connection.
It is. Pretty much as soon as I get back to my apartment and open up my 3DS, I am connected to Wi-Fi. Like you said, it's basically like that so you can show your friends that you are online as opposed to having to connect manually. If I had any friends with a 3DS, I could explore the whole friend list thing more extensively. Matt Walker, the other NWR Japan Correspondent who got a 3DS at launch, doesn't have wi-fi readily available at his place, so I can't test stuff out with him. :(
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 08, 2011, 10:15:06 PM
:music; "I always feel like somebodies watching me" :music;
3DS is keeping track of the flash carts you put into the system? That's what Kotaku is reporting, so if you have that specific brand of Flashcard tah taallows you to pirate some DS games.... I'd be careful if I were you. I would just play my DS games in my DS if that were the case because when that first big update comes around (assuming this is true) Nintendo just might brick your 3DS.
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Back in July 2010, THQ's Ian Curran said, "What excites me even more [than 3DS games] is that there's technology built in that device to really combat piracy...I actually asked Nintendo to explain the technology and they said it's very difficult to do so because it's so sophisticated."
Fast-forward to 2011. Japanese game retailer Enterking issued a notice that it would not be buying back any 3DS units that were used with a R4-type devices - specifically "illegal or unauthorized devices". The notice states that there seems to be a record of such use left on the system. This would be in line with the rumors that the 3DS keeps a log of flash cart use, which then can be checked.
The Nintendo terms of agreement clearly state that it is possible that the 3DS might not be able to boot up after firmware updates if unapproved or illegal devices are used in the 3DS. You have been warned!
:music;"Who's that peepin' through window.... POW!! Nobody now.":music;
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 09, 2011, 12:28:54 AM
Lol, I miss the Goodie Mob ;D .
Well, since I'm not a pirate or use R4 carts, I'm all for this. The more discouragement of piracy without hindering my own fun, the better.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on March 09, 2011, 12:32:36 AM
But what happens if somebody sells you a pirate cart without you realizing it, and you play it? And then Nintendo bricks your system? If they go that route, things will not end well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2011, 12:52:00 AM
Buy NEW from legit retailers.
No more "used" game sales without risk of obtaining a pirated copy. Save a few bucks buying used, take risk of bricked system or Spend a few extra buying new and not worry at all?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2011, 01:06:31 AM
Well this is only if you connect to the internet of course. So pirates will likely not give two shits about it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2011, 01:27:43 AM
Automatic Updates could also work through multiplayer too, so they might have to never connect to an updated 3DS to ensure they never unknowingly receive a FW update.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2011, 02:36:47 AM
Maybe I read it wrong but I don't think it's the firmware that bricks your system. It's the information being dug up by the firmware and sent to Nintendo and then Nintendo shutting it down remotely.
If it really is simply sticking in a homebrew game and the system shuts down, then that's ridiculous and damn near evil.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2011, 02:58:04 AM
I don't know how Nintendo's Automatic updates work, but they talked about daisy chaining connections through 3DS's. So if they can update your FW through a daisy chained wifi connection while you are playing some local multi-player, then that FW update could recognize that you have been playing illegally obtained and unapproved software according to your flash cart log and then Nintendo could send the signal to shut your system down and you wouldn't have even realized you were connected to the internet.
I don't know how plausible that scenario is or if it's even possible at all, but that's what comes to mind when I think about it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2011, 03:13:20 AM
What do you mean by Daisy chained? Using another 3DS as a hotspot, or local wifi?
If it is local wifi with no internet involved, I don't think Nintendo could send the bricking code. And having another 3DS brick your system is even more evil than having the firmware do it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2011, 04:04:27 AM
By daisy chaining I mean that one 3DS connects online and downloads a FW update, that 3DS connects to another 3DS as 2 people are sitting next to each other on the bus and updates the other 3DS to the latest FW, who then passes that new FW on to the next and so on and so forth like spreading a Flu virus.
It could get dangerous if the 3DS was ever hacked, but I'm sure there are many security checks a 3DS would do before installing a Daisy Chained FW.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2011, 08:30:00 AM
Wait Nintendo is allowing that to be possible? For real?
That doesn't sound like Nintendo at all.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2011, 12:55:48 PM
I remember hearing about daisy chaining info from one 3DS to another.
Someone made a joke about a game called Virus where you have to "infect" as many 3DS's with your game code as possible. Then when you log-in on line, you can see how far your virus has spread by all the contacts the other 3DS's have had since you came in contact with it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 09, 2011, 01:59:28 PM
Wait Nintendo is allowing that to be possible? For real?
That doesn't sound like Nintendo at all.
They announced that quite awhile ago, saying that if you pass by someone with a more recent firmware version than yours, it will automatically update yours too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2011, 07:41:36 PM
That's kinda cool, but kinda fucked up too. What if I didn't want to upgrade?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 09, 2011, 07:49:49 PM
Then you have to fully power down your system any time you might be near someone else's. In Nintendo's way of thinking, everyone should want the most recent firmware. Most of the time, they're right. The only real exception is people using holes in the firmware to hack their systems, something which Nintendo really doesn't want people doing, which gives them even more reason to get as many people as they can to be up to date.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2011, 08:01:05 PM
But it's my system. I don't want to get into the Jailbreak vs. argument. But I really wanted to watch some 3D movies on there, with or without Nintendo's permission.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 09, 2011, 08:08:33 PM
There is no saying that Nintendo wouldn't allow video playback from an SD card is there? as long as you convert the video to a format that the 3DS will allow you to play from the SD card slot that is.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 09, 2011, 08:21:05 PM
But it's my system. I don't want to get into the Jailbreak vs. argument. But I really wanted to watch some 3D movies on there, with or without Nintendo's permission.
I've got no problem with jailbreaking; my iPhone's jailbroken and I've got the HBC on my Wii. I would prefer Nintendo not force it (and for all we know it may be an option in the system settings), but even though jailbreaking is legal, Nintendo's under no obligation to make it easy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sundoulos on March 09, 2011, 08:43:38 PM
I would expect that people who are going to put the time into jailbreaking their 3DS will also likely find a way to suppress the automatic updates, if it comes to that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on March 09, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
Here is the one of only a few reasons why I do not want a 3DS:
It is a crying shame that the DS games are not played fully on the bigger 3DS screens. Perhaps a firmware update can help?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on March 09, 2011, 09:18:31 PM
What? You can play either fullscreen stretched or original resolution.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KnowsNothing on March 09, 2011, 10:59:12 PM
It's perfectly legal for you to jailbreak an ipod (an argument which was upheld in court), and I think it should be legal for you to jailbreak a 3DS. I hate that Nintendo plans to force updates and brick systems. THAT should be illegal, not running different firmware.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on March 09, 2011, 11:04:12 PM
There's been no indication as to what criteria (if any) Nintendo will use to "brick" a 3DS. I doubt simply running custom firmware will result in a brick.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 09, 2011, 11:44:17 PM
Yeah I guess there's no need to fly off the handle now (or maybe ever), but it's still worrying.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on March 10, 2011, 10:29:09 AM
A unique feature for the 3DS music player is the ability to use an Apple Ipod earbud controller to control the music player.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 11, 2011, 11:49:28 AM
Haven't seen this posted and it starts today. NWR why are you not informing me of this? or did I overlook it somewhere?
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Nintendo News: Consumers to Discover New Ways to Play During Nintendo 3DS Demo Tour
REDMOND, Wash.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--From augmented-reality games to rich 3D visuals that don’t require special glasses, the Nintendo 3DS™ system offers a wealth of new hand-held experiences that must be seen to be believed. To give consumers a firsthand look at these unique features, interactive Nintendo 3DS Demo Pods and mobile Nintendo 3DS Demo Squads will be in select U.S. cities starting March 11, offering sampling opportunities at more than 40 locations in cities nationwide. Visitors are invited to explore the system’s built-in software and play upcoming games, all in advance of the March 27 launch date.
The Nintendo 3DS system includes built-in cameras that let users not only take 3D photos but also incorporate their own likenesses and surroundings into fun games, including the hilarious shooting game Face Raiders™ and compelling AR Games™ such as Archery. Built-in applications also include Mii Maker™, which makes it easy for users to create customized Mii™ characters wherever and whenever inspiration strikes – even using the Nintendo 3DS camera to help generate a Mii character based on a photo after selecting certain details like hair and skin tone.
More than 200 million Mii characters have been created worldwide since the 2006 launch of the Wii™ system, and that number is sure to grow as players discover the portable fun of Mii Maker on Nintendo 3DS. Nintendo 3DS Demo Pod visitors who create a Mii character can commemorate the experience by uploading their Mii character to their Facebook pages and sharing their creations with friends and family via e-mail from an on-site computer.
Offering an extraordinary chance to experience these new games and features in-person, Nintendo 3DS Demo Pods are scheduled to appear at the following locations:
New York City: Grand Central Terminal (Vanderbilt Hall, West Side) Running March 11-30 Monday through Friday, 8 a.m.-8 p.m. Saturday and Sunday, 9 a.m.-8 p.m.
Chicago: Citigroup Center (entrance to Ogilvie Transportation Center) Running March 11-April 3 Monday through Friday, 8 a.m.-8 p.m. Saturday and Sunday, 9 a.m.-8 p.m.
San Francisco: Pier 39 (Main Entrance Plaza) Running March 11-April 3 Monday through Sunday, 11 a.m.-7 p.m.
Los Angeles: Third Street Promenade (1300 block) Running March 11-April 3 Monday through Thursday, 10 a.m.-8 p.m. Friday and Saturday, 10 a.m.-10 p.m. Sunday, 11 a.m.-7 p.m.
In addition to the Mii Maker application, visitors can experience hands-on demos with various launch titles, including Pilotwings Resort™, Steel Diver™, nintendogs™ + cats, Super Street Fighter® IV 3D Edition, Madden NFL Football, LEGO® Star Wars® III: The Clone Wars™ and Asphalt™ 3D. The Nintendo 3DS system is set to launch at a suggested retail price of $249.99.
For more information about Nintendo 3DS, please visit http://www.nintendo3ds.com (http://www.nintendo3ds.com).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 11, 2011, 04:09:14 PM
Okay- I just got back from the Chicago 3DS Demo Pod.
I thought the 3DS looked really nice and slick in person. The layer-cake styling isn't as pronounced, and the system doesn't feel as big as it looks in photos. The 3D effect works best for me set to halfway. I had a little trouble keeping the right angle when playing the AR games, but this was mostly due to the system being tethered. I got a very mild headache.
I played most of the demos:
Asphalt: A fun racer- the type you would see on an iPhone. The 3D was nice, but overall if feels generic. Makes me really want Mario Kart.
AR Target Shooting: Really fun. The camera is a little grainier that I expected, but I had a great time with this. I kiled the dragon. I hope they keep a steady stream of cheap AR games coming through the eShop.
Madden: Super boring- but I've never been into Madden. Feels generic and like the camera is very far away.
Mii Maker: Super inaccurate, but fun to play with. The new Mii features (better stubble, etc) allowed me to make a more accurate Mii.
Steel Diver: They were only showing periscope mode form some reason? Pretty cool. Very simmy. I could see getting into this. Slow-paced.
Street Fighter 4: Fun. I tried the over-the-shoulder mode, and I found it to work great. It is a little uncomfortable using the D-pad, so I switched to the circle pad. I wonder if the D-pad will feel better when I'm sitting down and holding the system in my lap?
Pilotwings Resort: This was my favorite demo. The 3D really added a needed sense of depth. It's interesting how unaware of it you are as you are playing, but how weird it looks if you turn the 3D off.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 11, 2011, 04:15:03 PM
Things I overheard:
An older man asking "does this connect to my TV? No? How long until we have glasses-free 3D TVs?" The Nintendo rep said she didn't know, and the man said, "Of course you don't," and walked away.
A guy asked if the 3DS had WiFi or 3G. The rep said it had WiFi for connecting to the eShop and playing games, but you wouldn't be able to surf the web on it (oops!).
A man asked "What does this replace?" and instead of saying it replaces the DS, a rep said it replaces nothing, but that it is "part of the DS family of systems." This just confused the guy.
These people aren't from Nintendo. They are from a marketing company based out of New York. They've had 2 days of intensive training on the 3DS. They're still learning.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Enner on March 11, 2011, 05:10:51 PM
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An older man asking "does this connect to my TV? No? How long until we have glasses-free 3D TVs?" The Nintendo rep said she didn't know, and the man said, "Of course you don't," and walked away.
That's a rude thing to say :( The representative is trained to know about the 3DS, not the future of television technology.
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A man asked "What does this replace?" and instead of saying it replaces the DS, a rep said it replaces nothing, but that it is "part of the DS family of systems." This just confused the guy.
I don't see why the man would want to replace other systems that are perfectly fine. Still, it should have been made clear that this is a successor to the DS, DS Lite, DSi and DSi XL that is leap forward in hardware power.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on March 11, 2011, 05:20:04 PM
Did you get any photos of the demo pod?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 11, 2011, 05:22:51 PM
I hope you stepped in as a dedicated Nintendo fan and did the proper re-education that we so often have to do.
It would be embarrassing to the hired rep, but atleast he can stop mis-informing everyone he talks to, who will in turn misinform everyone they talk to after that..
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 11, 2011, 05:39:45 PM
I didn't get any good photos of the pod (it wasn't that interesting). I did snap this shot of the street crew right before they left. They had 3DS units strapped to their waists and went walking around downtown Chicago.
I corrected people a few times, but not every time. It feels bad to be that know-it-all guy. For the most part, they were doing a good job, and people were excited!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 11, 2011, 07:35:26 PM
Nice impressions ;D ! I hope to add my own after I attend PAX East. I'm only going on Sunday with my brother who lives in Boston (being a family man, my days of having a weekend all to myself have long since past). I'm wicked excited to be able to test drive a few 3DS games before I pick it up in 2 WEEKS :Q besides partaking in other PAX-induced shenanigans.
Anyway, I'm hoping the lines will be less intense on Sunday being the last day of the con.
More impressions everyone! No two are the same it seems ;D !
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 14, 2011, 02:45:22 PM
So PAX East ended yesterday and I went and got to play the 3DS for the first time! Here are my impressions.
The Unit itself: The same size as a DSi, except it feels more solid. I like the sparkly paint job and layers of color (I played with the blue units). The d pad felt fine and the side pad feels awesome, tight and responsive. The buttons were clicky and the shoulder buttons didn't feel mushy. I like the new telescoping stylus and the placement of the earphone jack didn't bother me (I brought my own earbuds so I could test sound and such). The size of the 3D screen was just right, I didn't feel while playing the games that it was too small. The touch screen certainly felt better, more responsive than both the Lite and the DSi. The home buttons didn't work on the demo unit.
The 3D Screen: The first game I got to look at was Pilot Wings and it was a cool shock to see 3D without glasses. The slider felt solid and depending on the game, it was easy to adjust the varying degrees of 3D before landing on what was comfortable. I am very happy with the decision to make the borders around the screen black because it really enhanced the "view into another world" sensation that the 3D produces. Unless you have Parkinson's, it is relatively easy to maintain 3D while holding the system. Tilting it left and right of course breaks it, but little movements of the 3DS did not break the 3D for me, neither did looking at the touch screen and back. Tilting the machine forward and back still maintained the 3D as well. As for games, the way that I would describe it, everything appears to be in a layer sandwich. The first layer is where your player controlled character is, the 3rd layer at the far end of the background is the back wall to your traditional 2D scenery, and everything in the middle just kind of floats in a 3D space at varying distances. This effect is of course more pronounced in polygonal games, but is no less impressive in predominantly 2D side scrolling games.
Pilot Wings: My first demo. At first the 3D was not very pronounced because I was facing the sea and sky in the biplane. When I started flying over the town in Wuhu island, the 3D became much more pronounced immediately. The game played excellently with the circle pad. The directional pad was being used to pan the camera to the left and right of your vessel. I played with all three initial vehicles in free flight mode (still timed unfortunately but it was a demo unit after all and when it finished would say thank you for playing our demo). The plane controlled like the one in Resort and the island looked the same although I didn't have nearly enough time to explore it fully. The frame rate was between 30 and 45, but I never saw 60. It did not detract from the game nonetheless. The 3D did make navigating the island a little easier and although most of it was into the screen (like looking into a window), the wind trails from your wings and stars that appeared after hitting points of interests would fly out the screen. It was a neat effect that made me smile. I never played the original Pilot Wings games so this was all brand new (outside of playing WiiSports Resort) so I was left with a very laid back, easy pace in short sessions impression of this game. Still getting it at launch, but can't see myself getting this game alone.
DOA Dimensions: This game looks and plays fantastically on the 3DS. The 3D is used to great effect as the stages are in 3D into the background. The jump to 60 fps in 2D mode is stark, especially after seeing other games not running at that frame rate, very nice. Graphically, the game looks great and the characters and backgrounds are very detailed and animate smoothly. When this releases in NA, I will definitely pick it up. It will be the first DOA game that I would own.
Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition: The game looks great and plays great. There were demo units at both Nintendo's and Capcom's booth for the game. The d pad works fine (my preference) and the 3D is great in game. I didn't spend much time with it because I knew that it was launch game number #1 and I didn't want to spoil to much of it.
Ocarina of Time: I didn't play it, but watched a kid play from behind (from my angle I saw it primarily in 2D) It looked fun and brought back old memories of the game that I haven't played in 13 years. The frame rate was rock solid (unlike the original) and never appeared choppy. Day one purchase for me.
Kid Icarus: This game looked great! The demo started off in a Sin & Punishment (or Space Harrier) like flying section. Pit is sort of attached to the screen, the far horizon is the 3rd layer, and all the enemies, land masses, and shots fired exist in the space in between. It was a marvelous effect. The game controlled fine in the air. Pit flies around using the circle pad, you hold down the left trigger to shoot, and use the stylus on the touch screen (which is divided into a grid of four squares) to direct your reticle on the top screen. Although the control setup doesn't allow for a lot of variation in how you hold the system, I found I was able to play quite comfortably without loosing the 3D despite how hectic things got on screen (to be fair, I did use my right pinkie to balance the system while I played, but the system is light enough even with the added bulk of the cart locks and such that it didn't feel uncomfortable). On the ground controlled fine and I'm sure with practice will become a breeze. The camera was easy to control (just swipe it and tap down when you want it to stop), so I didn't have the slow turning problem that some have commented on. But given that, it is not an easy pick up and play solution. I'm looking forward to the game. I don't know if it's a day one purchase for me, but I do look forward to seeing a more complete version of the game in the future. I can tell you that it has gotten me real excited for a portable Sin & Punishment though (especially the score attack system and leaderboards).
Other games: I didn't play Steel Diver because I felt like that type of game is best experienced in a more quiet and calm atmosphere where I can take my time getting used to the nuances of it, so I kept it fresh for launch. I also wanted to keep the AR games fresh until launch (my brother was blown away by it as he did not know much about the 3DS and nothing about the AR stuff packed in.) Resident Evil: Mercenaries was playable in many multiple locations, but I just didn't feel compelled to play it given my time constraints. It looked as good as RE4 though I can say for certain.
Overall Impressions of 3D: I played with all the games with the 3D both on and off. I found that when I went to 2D, the games lost, I don't know, like...soul. They still looked great (and some cases ran at a smoother frame rate) but they just felt like they were missing something. It wasn't until I switched it back to 3D that I felt like the game was playing like it was meant to be. My eyes didn't hurt at all, nor did I even feel any nausea, headaches, or general discomfort with the 3D (even while trying to find the sweet spot). It just felt like I was looking at any regular screen, except it was 3D. To put it into comparison, there were many stereoscopic 3D games displayed at PAX, especially at Nvidia's booth. Most 3D tvs and Nvidia's 3Dvision uses active shutter glasses to create 3D. When wearing those I immediately felt my eyes being worked, almost like the muscles attached to my eyes were vibrating. After about 5 min they began to tire a bit, but after some conditioning by wearing them for longer periods of time while I played the games, the feeling went away. At movie theaters, I have no problem with seeing that style of 3D in comfort after about couple minutes. With the 3DS, I did not need an adjustment time, it was comfortable through out.
Conclusion: I was impressed with the system and the hands-on time has definitely helped to satiate my anticipation for it until it arrives in less than 2 weeks. it's amazing that despite the many impressions people give, no one seems to have the same experience with the 3D effect. I was glad to confirm my reaction personally. I have to say that now that I have finally tested the 3D and some software, I am more excited for the overall package (pack in games, OS, activity log, street and spot pass, pedometer coins, friends list, mii plaza, games, etc.) and really think Nintendo has the potential for an even bigger hit if they (and 3rd parties) utilize the tools here because as a whole they are powerful and can make for a very compelling experience.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on March 14, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
Wow, thanks for the impressions.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: stardust462 on March 15, 2011, 09:28:36 AM
I also tried out the 3DS and was very, very impressed. I was on the fence between picking up one of these or an iPad 2, since I can only afford one or the other right now. Trying out the 3DS definitely cemented my decision to buy that.
I don't remember the name of it, but one of the games I tried had you put a card on the table, and the cameras create a game where you environment is part of the game. I had to fire arrows at targets, and on one level it made the table seem like it was going up and down. I really enjoyed that. I also played Street Fighter IV and Lego Star Wars.
I am definitely skeptical of the whole 3D thing going on in entertainment. I remember seeing Alice in Wonderland in IMAX and thinking how unnecessary the 3D technology was. It was cool for like five seconds when she first arrives in Wonderland, but then that's it. I really liked how it worked with the 3DS, especially without glasses, and that you could adjust the 3D settings, and even turn them off. I'll be pre-ordering one tonight for sure.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 15, 2011, 11:17:42 AM
That was one of the AR (Augmented Reality) games that's packed in the system when you get it. My brother played that demo also and was wowed by it.
I really like 3D as a concept and in gaming in particular. Unlike some, I feel that it adds another layer of immersion to the experience in a medium that is generally about immersing the player as much as possible. Playing in 3D on PC really adds to the experience for a lot of games and watching 3D televised events (like sports and concerts and such) really makes you appreciate how much it puts you further into the experience. Unfortunately, both forms of consumer level 3D (PC via Nvidia, 3D tvs) are very cost prohibitive on top of the hassles and varying degrees of comfort that wearing glasses bring. I think the 3DS will be incredibly important to the mass adoption, and more importantly, better implimentation of 3D in games. It's relatively affordable, it's glasses free, and it's interactive.
Anyway, enough evangelizing ;) , I'm wicked excited for the system and it's potential.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 15, 2011, 07:12:35 PM
First US 3DS TV commercial. The games used in it are Steel Diver, the AR dragon game, and Super Street Fighter 4 3DS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNCrftjiCDY
Also first US commercial for Super Street Fighter 4 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on March 15, 2011, 07:50:32 PM
A friend of mine said that he was able to try out the 3DS, as a friend of his imported it from Japan. He actually got headaches from the 3D, which continued even after he stopped using the 3DS. He did have the 3D turned up all the way, however...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 15, 2011, 07:55:51 PM
A friend of mine said that he was able to try out the 3DS, as a friend of his imported it from Japan. He actually got headaches from the 3D, which continued even after he stopped using the 3DS. He did have the 3D turned up all the way, however...
Going to question this. Some eye strain has been reported in some people and there is a case that 3D doesn't always work everyone and people do need to play with the settings to find what is right for them. However the headache thing is very suspect as that's what happen with the Virtual Boy and no one has reported anything like that with the 3DS from the various information out there that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Sure he wasn't exaggerating?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 15, 2011, 08:23:19 PM
Some people just get headaches from 3D in general (I know some people who can't watch 3D movies because they start to feel nausea), it doesn't have anything to do with the 3DS specifically.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 15, 2011, 08:29:58 PM
I have a quick question.
For those that haven't really watched 3D in any form before and have tried out the 3DS is there any problems adjusting to the 3D?
I'm probably in the minority in this type of situation...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tyrian3 on March 16, 2011, 03:39:17 PM
I can answer that, as I've never watched a 3D movie and I tried the 3DS for the first time last sunday. with the AR game (target shooting) I tried I had some difficulties adjusting to 3d, but with zelda I had no problem at all, even looking back and forth between the top screen and the bottom (touch) screen. I found that setting the slider around the middle was a good setting for me and I wasn't feeling any extra stress on my eyes or anything. No headaches either!
Note that I have a very good eyesight and I don't wear glasses.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 16, 2011, 03:57:19 PM
Okay thanks for answering. My eye sight is pretty good and I don't wear any glasses so I suspect I will have similar feeling on the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 16, 2011, 05:06:30 PM
Quick clip of the Conduit 3DS tech demo. http://www.destructoid.com/interview-eric-stoll-of-high-voltage-software-196245.phtml
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on March 16, 2011, 06:44:20 PM
Quick clip of the Conduit 3DS tech demo. http://www.destructoid.com/interview-eric-stoll-of-high-voltage-software-196245.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/interview-eric-stoll-of-high-voltage-software-196245.phtml)
Looks sexy. Was that a third person view I saw?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 16, 2011, 07:17:39 PM
Yeah it was. Here's the youtube version of the video someone else posted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYExuYsxQOQ
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on March 16, 2011, 09:43:40 PM
Still interested in playing Super Mario 64 DS with the analog stick, I know the game is not programmed for it and you would still need to press a button to run, but still I'd love to hear some impressions on how the analog controls compare to the D-Pad.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 16, 2011, 09:48:44 PM
One of the guys on the 8-4 podcast 3DS launch episode said Mario 64 DS works pretty well with the circle pad.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 17, 2011, 08:32:45 AM
A friend of mine said that he was able to try out the 3DS, as a friend of his imported it from Japan. He actually got headaches from the 3D, which continued even after he stopped using the 3DS. He did have the 3D turned up all the way, however...
I got a mild, lingering headache from my first play session with the 3DS. During that session I played a lot with the 3D cranked all the way, and also fiddled with the depth slider a lot. During my 2nd play session, I just used the setting I knew worked for me and... no headache!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KisakiProject on March 17, 2011, 09:23:45 PM
I just played Pilot wings at best buy. The 3D effect is a bit sensitive so its a pain its mounted. But when I got it in focus it was great. The plane was absolutely amazing looking 3D. I pre-ordered PW and Steel Diver. I couldn't order Bust a Move it said 3/29 but gamestop is still listing 3/27. Might have to go to a different store? Dunno. Getting all 3. I am pumped for launch now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on March 17, 2011, 09:28:24 PM
I'm ashamed, but I need to say it: I'm getting a 3DS with no game. I'm waiting until either Star Fox, Kingdom Hearts DDD, or something else comes along. Anyone want to recommend a lanch title or some other upcoming 3DS game that I should consider buying?
EDIT: Holy crap, -5? Do people really hate me or something? Jeez.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 17, 2011, 09:30:25 PM
TOM CLANCY'S GHOST RECON: SHADOW WARS! It's like Fire Emblem, but set in modern times. Why is no one else excited for this?!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on March 17, 2011, 09:33:08 PM
Meh, I'm not really into strategy games, whether it's in the fantasy or modern setting.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 17, 2011, 09:41:02 PM
Well as long as you're not just ignoring it because of its name, that's fine.
Chris Kohler's Twitter feed from today is making me really excited for PilotWings, what with his complaining about the difficulty and swearing at it because he doesn't want to take the break it keeps suggesting.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on March 17, 2011, 09:43:52 PM
Yeah, I'm seriously tempted to just go impulse-buy Pilotwings Resort with none of my usual research that I normally do. I've heard some good things about the game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on March 18, 2011, 01:04:13 AM
TOM CLANCY'S GHOST RECON: SHADOW WARS! It's like Fire Emblem, but set in modern times. Why is no one else excited for this?!
Because of the name...
But I will give it a look now that you mention it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on March 18, 2011, 10:28:18 AM
I wouldn't exactly say that I'm excited about Shadow Wars, but I would like to know more about it. I like strategy games and I've always thought the dual screens lend themselves well to the genre. I'm waiting for early reviews before I get excited about it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 18, 2011, 03:53:09 PM
TOM CLANCY'S GHOST RECON: SHADOW WARS! It's like Fire Emblem, but set in modern times. Why is no one else excited for this?!
While I enjoy SRPGs I'm taking a pass on Shadow Wars and maybe even dismissing it a bit for one reason. It's a DS game trying to be passed off as a 3DS game. I'm not falling for that crap. I'm not about to pay a 3DS price for a DS game. If this was in a DS box I might be more willing to give it chance even though it's a Ubisoft game. They usually tend to suck when it comes to Nintendo systems I feel.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on March 19, 2011, 12:47:06 AM
Alright. Here we go.
I got to demo a 3DS at a local Best Buy tonight. First, let me preface...
I was born with an eye condition known as "strabismus" (I may have even already mentioned this in this thread previously...not gonna go back and look either.. so meh). And because of this condition, I don't have binocular vision (seeing out of BOTH eyes at the same time a focal point in space) like most folks in this world have. I only see out of one eye, and in doing so, the other eye TRIES real hard to focus on that same point.. but unfortunately, can't. This condition is also known as "lazy-eye" or what have you... it's called numerous things... that's the nicest one, though. :P
So yes. It looks like I'll be saving battery power. My suspicions were correct, and I absolutely cannot see the stereoscopic 3D of the 3DS. For the first time in my life, I truly felt crippled tonight. I would flick the little 3D slider back and forth, and all that I could notice was a regular image with it off. With it turned fully on, I could see the game image but with a "double-image" haze off to the right side of every object emitting a 3D visual effect. That haze is my left eye (as my right eye is my dominant eye) trying really hard to focus on the same focal point as my right. But because of my eyes' condition, I just can't do it. I can't see it. And this bums me out beyond belief. Now I completely understand why I've never been able to see what people are talking about at 3D movies (I saw Toy Story 3 in 3D, and I couldn't tell that a single blasted thing was giving off a 3D visual effect).
So, it looks like if I ever want to be able to experience what all of you are getting ready to experience...I'm going to have to pay for an expensive surgery to "tighten" my ocular muscles in both eyes... and that's a big IF, too. Because it could be an issue with my brain communicating with my eyes. Strabismus can occur from both impairments -- physical or mental.
It all just sucks. I was really looking forward to playing OoT in 3D, too. :'( I'll go crawl into a corner now and cry.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on March 19, 2011, 01:51:50 AM
Oh my gosh...that really breaks my heart. Seriously. I'm really sorry,man. I hope sometime in the near future you can get your eye fixed...so you can see OoT in 3D. My heart goes out to you.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ymeegod on March 19, 2011, 02:05:55 AM
Yeah, I'm in the same boat I think. Well not as bad as Rachtman but my right eye is developing "bubbles" that blur my vision. At least I can get an operation though I'll have to drop Two grand per eye since insurance doesn't cover it.
It does have it's advantages though. Ever go to the bar and tell that ugly chick that you need more booze? Now all i have to do is switch eyes :).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 19, 2011, 06:01:05 PM
(http://www.stockme.fr/imgf8d4943dfc/2_Sans_titre.PNG) Pro Evolution Intro playing on all 4. Wifi On, Sound Off, screen at brightest and 3D on max on 3DS.
But all hope is not lost for those needing a slightly longer boost than that: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/31/sanyos-eneloop-stick-and-mobile-boosters-will-juice-your-gadget/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/31/sanyos-eneloop-stick-and-mobile-boosters-will-juice-your-gadget/) & http://nintendo3dsblog.com/double-your-3ds-battery-life-with-the-power-pak (http://nintendo3dsblog.com/double-your-3ds-battery-life-with-the-power-pak)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on March 19, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
That's bad. Then again I won't have the screen brightness on the highest setting, so that should save another thirty minutes... That's still bad.
IGN's video review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeQGkadrCkE They say it will last two and a half hours, minimally.
That Nyko product is too big, and the Eneloop stick looks like a back massager... lol.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Enner on March 19, 2011, 10:02:06 PM
Wow. DSi can last a long time between charges. Shame about the 3DS's battery life. It looks like if the device will see daily use that the user will have to get used to plugging it in daily or bi-daily.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 19, 2011, 10:04:14 PM
I'd certainly prefer more battery life, but I'm already conditioned to plugging my iPhone in every night, so adding this won't be hard. And since I've got a DSi, I already own a second compatible charging cable.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on March 19, 2011, 10:11:34 PM
Those battery times cannot be correct. My DSi last maybe 4-5 hours on a full charge, no sound, lowest brightness setting, no wireless/internet. Though, it is a launch DSi, so it may just be getting old.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 19, 2011, 11:05:49 PM
I agree, those DSi results seem like bullshit, unless they have changed the battery used in them. My daughter plays hers a lot and we get maybe 5 hours on a full charge. WiFi is turned off.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on March 20, 2011, 12:06:03 AM
Someone should pay to order me brand new batteries for all my DS systems and I'll run a similar test with each of them. :D
On a related note, don't buy either of those battery "solutions". Something better is on the horizon. :D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: SixthAngel on March 20, 2011, 04:59:48 AM
That battery test seems iffy to me. They didn't even use the DSL which I think was the most popular of the DS versions. It's the one I have so this test doesn't really tell me anything.
I can't see youtube videos. I assume the intro is the same in all versions but is it something that would use 3d an extreme amount? I really wish the test involved actually playing games instead essentiall running a movie on each one.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ymeegod on March 20, 2011, 07:31:44 AM
There's so many options for the battery it really isn't much of an issue. You can buy replacements for $20 (2600mahs) which is double the standard 1300mah. Hell I replaced my psp's battery with one of those 12000mahs (though I think it only held 8K at most) and was able to get 12 hours on a full charge but I had to pay $40 for the battery.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on March 20, 2011, 12:49:17 PM
But will the battery be the same size as the standard? And since it's a better battery which the system isn't made for, wouldn't it **** up the system too?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on March 20, 2011, 08:35:53 PM
As long as the voltage is the same you should be right.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on March 20, 2011, 10:07:59 PM
While I'm very tempted to throw down $60 and put new batteries in each of my DS units to run this test on my own, I'm even more interested in running this type of a test on an original Game Boy, Pocket, Light, Color, Game Boy Advance, Game Boy Advance SP and Game Boy Micro... hmmm...
Which way is more taxing on the batteries? Having the contrast turned all the way up or all the way down on an original Game Boy?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on March 22, 2011, 01:09:21 AM
Which way is more taxing on the batteries? Having the contrast turned all the way up or all the way down on an original Game Boy?
On the original, turning it up should be more taxing since the default state is absence of black. In fact, I remember turning the contrast up repeatedly as my batteries slowly lost power.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on March 22, 2011, 01:21:03 AM
Now that you mention it, I remember doing that as well. I wonder how long my little Flip cam records for - if it'll record a long enough video to do this. I doubt it though. Anyone good at video editing - speeding up the video and adding in all the effects/graphics when one of the systems die?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: blackfootsteps on March 22, 2011, 01:40:52 AM
I specialize in many forms a production as well and if you ever would like some post production work, hey just ask. I can also always send you some of my favorite wine if that helps out too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 22, 2011, 08:53:05 PM
:music; "I always feel like somebodies watching me" :music;
3DS is keeping track of the flash carts you put into the system? That's what Kotaku is reporting, so if you have that specific brand of Flashcard tah taallows you to pirate some DS games.... I'd be careful if I were you. I would just play my DS games in my DS if that were the case because when that first big update comes around (assuming this is true) Nintendo just might brick your 3DS.
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Back in July 2010, THQ's Ian Curran said, "What excites me even more [than 3DS games] is that there's technology built in that device to really combat piracy...I actually asked Nintendo to explain the technology and they said it's very difficult to do so because it's so sophisticated."
Fast-forward to 2011. Japanese game retailer Enterking issued a notice that it would not be buying back any 3DS units that were used with a R4-type devices - specifically "illegal or unauthorized devices". The notice states that there seems to be a record of such use left on the system. This would be in line with the rumors that the 3DS keeps a log of flash cart use, which then can be checked.
The Nintendo terms of agreement clearly state that it is possible that the 3DS might not be able to boot up after firmware updates if unapproved or illegal devices are used in the 3DS. You have been warned!
The release list in this week's Famitsu has some mega carnage for Hudson fans. It looks like many of the publisher's upcoming titles have been cancelled, presumably due to the recent Konami acquisition. Current confirmed cancellations include Omega Five (3DS), Bonk (3DS) and Bomberman (3DS), but there may be some other titles as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2011, 06:49:12 PM
I would love to see games that require dual eye depth perception to be played properly, but I had no idea that anyone ever considered 3D to be required to proceed in any game being made.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 23, 2011, 06:56:26 PM
I don't understand what Ars Technica is trying to do. Well I do...misinformation. Nintendo has never took the stance that they want games that were only 3D based. The whole point of the slider is so that people have a choice. Either to play with or without the 3D. To back away from something means you have to be for something in the first place and Nintendo was never there.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on March 23, 2011, 06:56:44 PM
According to the Dream Trigger producer, Nintendo actually mandates that there be alternatives to 3D in the games... in the case of Dream Trigger, they use transparency as well as 3D to convey the same information. This is necessary anyway, so that children, who aren't supposed to be playing with 3D on, can play such games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 23, 2011, 07:06:36 PM
I don't understand what Ars Technica is trying to do. Well I do...miss information. Nintendo has never took the stance that they want games that were only 3D based. The whole point of the slider is so that people have a choice. Either to play with or without the 3D. To back away from something means you have to be for something in the first place and Nintendo was never there.
I mostly agree with what you said, but Arstechina previously praised the 3D slider as the best part of the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on March 23, 2011, 10:49:51 PM
I didn't read the arstechnica.com article, but Engadget ran a similar piece recently that mentioned Nintendo was creating a Mario game (I think they said there was a demo) where you had to have 3D on to see certain platforms that you had to jump on, and without 3D you saw nothing. This seems like a good idea, but it's not all-inclusive Nintendo style gaming.
Title: Unreal Engine on 3DS
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2011, 01:40:57 AM
Unreal Engine is up an running on the 3DS according to Ubisoft... but is it Unreal Engine 3? http://www.gamespot.com/3ds/action/splintercell3/news.html?sid=6305333&mode=previews (http://www.gamespot.com/3ds/action/splintercell3/news.html?sid=6305333&mode=previews)
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GSUK: It's been suggested that the 3DS has a similar level of processing power as the Wii. Is this the case in your experience?
FC: The 3DS is powerful, and we are able to run the Unreal engine on this console, which is pretty impressive for a handheld machine, and the 3D doesn’t affect the performance (thanks to my amazing programmers). The architecture is different compared to a Wii or some other platforms that we had to work with here at Ubisoft Montreal.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ymeegod on March 24, 2011, 03:38:18 AM
Splinter Cell CT uses U2 engine so more than likely the same will be of the remake.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 24, 2011, 08:17:59 AM
To bad Ubisoft can't do anything with it judging by how Splinter Cell 3DS looks. :(
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 25, 2011, 12:48:12 PM
Oh man, when the system is set to German it won't let you enter the # sign in a WPA passphrase. I had to set my system to English to input ours.
Title: 3DS cost $101 in raw materials
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2011, 01:28:25 PM
ESTIMATE: 3DS cost $101 in raw materials. sold to retailer at significant mark up estimates do not factor in assembly, packaging, marketing or R&D cost http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-24-why-the-nintendo-3ds-costs-GBP230-article (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-24-why-the-nintendo-3ds-costs-GBP230-article)
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According to a "preliminary estimate" handed to Eurogamer by David Carey, VP of technical intelligence for UBM TechInsights, the cost of the system's raw materials comes in at $101 per unit (around £61.76). That equates to around a $15 (around £9.17) increase over the DSi, which launched in 2009 for £149.
Compare that to the 3DS's initial £230 asking price and you wouldn't be blamed for smelling a rat. Bear in mind though that the DSi was released relatively late in the handheld's phenomenally successful life cycle, at a time when Nintendo could afford to take risks, having already made back a significant wedge of its original R&D investment.
Of course, on top of the raw materials there are also a number of other costs to consider, such as labour, marketing, packaging and distribution, not to mention those sizeable R&D costs to recoup. Naturally, Nintendo won't reveal what its margin is or what it charges retailers per unit. However, a reliable retail source tells Eurogamer the going price is £170.73.
Title: Street Fighter x Tekken 3DS?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2011, 01:40:49 PM
Could the 3DS be getting a version of Street Fighter x Tekken? Ono sure hopes to see it happen http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-24-street-fighter-x-tekken-on-3ds (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-24-street-fighter-x-tekken-on-3ds)
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Eye-catching crossover fighting game Street Fighter x Tekken is, right now, an upcoming arcade, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 game. But will it, like Super Street Fighter IV, launch on the Nintendo 3DS?
Street Fighter producer Yoshinori Ono told Eurogamer this morning that a 3DS version "should happen", and described the potential port as the "next step".
"As far as fighting games are concerned, we've come a long way," Ono said. "It used to be that you had to go to an arcade machine, pay money and play it. Then it came to home console and you could play it in front of your TV. Now you can play Super Street Fighter IV anywhere if you've got a 3DS.
"I think that's an amazing thing. The next step would be to have Street Fighter x Tekken, which is the celebration of all top fighting gamers' dreams in one, to be on 3DS, where you can play anywhere you want.
"That's an ultimate idea. Personally speaking, it should happen. We should probably start making more noise about this. But officially, nothing has been considered yet."
I'm really hoping for MvC3 to be honest, but I used to like Tekken3 back in the day.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on March 25, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
I like hearing about all these fighting games on the 3DS, it paves the way for a real Soul Calibur!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 25, 2011, 04:16:33 PM
I'd rather see Capcom vs characters I give a damn about, not SFxTekken.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Arbok on March 26, 2011, 10:56:47 AM
I'm really hoping for MvC3 to be honest, but I used to like Tekken3 back in the day.
Same. I'm holding out for a "3DS lite", but a Marvel vs. Capcom game on the 3DS would make the handheld an instant purchase for me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 26, 2011, 11:45:47 AM
I really think people are making a mistake to wait for a "3DS Lite". The only reason the "Lite" came out was because the original DS was rushed. They had a design that wasn't what they really wanted. Pretty much thrown together I believe. The design for the 3DS is pretty much what Nintendo wanted as it's pretty much the design of the DS Lite. It has the upgraded OS and store that was tried out first on the DSi. If anything we might see a bigger version of the system but that might not be for years. When people make the 3DS Lite comments they keep forgetting or don't realize why the original DS changed into the DS Lite.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on March 26, 2011, 11:58:08 AM
Well I refuse to buy a system that has worse battery life than my phone that cost $50 more than my phone did. So if they want my money the 3DS either needs to drop $100 or get a redesign with better battery life.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 26, 2011, 12:07:42 PM
I really think people are making a mistake to wait for a "3DS Lite". The only reason the "Lite" came out was because the original DS was rushed. They had a design that wasn't what they really wanted. Pretty much thrown together I believe. The design for the 3DS is pretty much what Nintendo wanted as it's pretty much the design of the DS Lite. It has the upgraded OS and store that was tried out first on the DSi. If anything we might see a bigger version of the system but that might not be for years. When people make the 3DS Lite comments they keep forgetting or don't realize why the original DS changed into the DS Lite.
I agree. I can understand the thought of Nintendo handheld fans being conditioned to expect a revision of the present hardware. But outside of making a larger 3DS, there really isn't anything they can do to redesign the current system. Read all the Iwata Asks on the 3DS' design, they really engineered this thing to the hilt. Every decision about the look and feel of the hardware (from the protruding lip and 3 tier color scheme, to the hinge and even stylus placement) was done with extreme specificity. This thing is about as balanced between useabilty and efficiency as it can get.
This does not invalidate anyone's opinion if they don't like the look of the system. But anyone thinking that it's going to have some kind of cocoon to butterfly-like transformation in a "future redesign" is going to be waiting a long time and will be sorely disappointed. I personally really like the look and feel of the system and can't understand some people's strong dislike of the design, particularly in a post DS Phat world.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 26, 2011, 12:16:27 PM
Well I refuse to buy a system that has worse battery life than my phone that cost $50 more than my phone did. So if they want my money the 3DS either needs to drop $100 or get a redesign with better battery life.
I don't think a better battery can be had unless the systems itself is enlarged to accommodate a larger battery or battery tech sees another jump in form factor and capacity.
Also your phone unsubsidized is probably $100 more than the price of a 3DS, not to mention being locked into a contract and paying more than $50 a month. I apologize, but I hate comparisons of the 3DS to the price of a cell phone because phones without contracts are the epitome of over priced hardware and battery life can be just as long or short on the device depending on what settings you use it on, just like the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 26, 2011, 12:47:31 PM
Well I refuse to buy a system that has worse battery life than my phone that cost $50 more than my phone did. So if they want my money the 3DS either needs to drop $100 or get a redesign with better battery life.
Meh, that's not a useful standard, my cheap as crap cellphone lasts for weeks on a charge. On the other hand my iPod Touch won't even last through a day when used as my primary gaming system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2011, 01:40:09 PM
What I expect out of a 3DS revision;
Improved battery life through reduced chip size manufacturing. (i.e. chips go from 45nm to 22 nm or something) A more powerful battery included in the system. (current battery is 1300mAh, new battery could be 1800-2300mAh)
Put reduced power usage mixed in with a more powerful battery and all of a sudden you have 10-15hrs battery life with everything activated at the same price.
If they could also add in 2 front facing cameras for 3D video chat, then that would be icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on March 26, 2011, 03:01:03 PM
Maybe the battery won't be as much of an issue as I think but the idea of no more than 5 hours is just sad for gaming device. I guess I will see what others think in a week or so after you have had lots of time to use it.
$250 is also just tough for me to get behind with all the limited software and battery. Hit the DSi price of $150-$180 and it would be an instant buy for me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 26, 2011, 05:44:50 PM
To be fair 5 hours is about what my DS Phat got. Look how much the DS Lite added to that!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 27, 2011, 01:41:44 AM
After some time with PilotWings, I've gotta say I'm very impressed by the effect. I'd never seen anything in 3D before, and was more than a little worried that I wouldn't be able to see it because of my vision issues, but it is very cool.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on March 27, 2011, 02:48:50 AM
Now that I know the activity log keeps records of all your games, I want to go through and play each of my DS titles for a few seconds just to get them logged...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 27, 2011, 04:10:02 AM
After some time with PilotWings, I've gotta say I'm very impressed by the effect. I'd never seen anything in 3D before, and was more than a little worried that I wouldn't be able to see it because of my vision issues, but it is very cool.
Yeah, I can also see more than I thought I would but I still don't get why that's supposed to be so awesome. It's there, it works, so what?
Now that I know the activity log keeps records of all your games, I want to go through and play each of my DS titles for a few seconds just to get them logged...
It doesn't seem to log them properly, I've got 1 minute of playtime on SM64DS, when I played it I got the 100 coin star on bob omb battlefield so that's very unlikely. On the other hand I do have 16 minutes of Konami Arcade Classics registered.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 27, 2011, 02:30:46 PM
I brought the 3DS home 3 hours ago. I'm really loving it. But I've had to charge it twice!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 27, 2011, 03:01:04 PM
You're supposed to charge it up fully before using it, that's how Li-Ion batteries work!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on March 27, 2011, 03:54:31 PM
Some random observations:
There's no microphone port - meaning no headset voice chat. Not that there was much anyway. There's no wrist strap slots. Meaning I can't force a wrist strap onto it. :(
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on March 27, 2011, 06:51:54 PM
Does it take cell phone-type headsets? iPhone volume controls work, so I was wondering if they're just using more popular technology now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on March 27, 2011, 07:56:39 PM
they will probably add a mic when they decide to redesign the system
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 27, 2011, 08:14:09 PM
It all depends on the soundcard. This may be wishful thinking, but I doubt they would ignore a feature they included in their most popular handheld to date.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 27, 2011, 09:35:39 PM
I gotta say, having the system in my hands and really being able to take my time going through the menus (and enjoying the surround sound on my BOSE ear buds), I am very impressed with the amount of polish that has gone into this machine. It is certainly WAY greater than the sum of it's parts and just feels really fully featured (despite of course the eShop and internet which we all know is coming in a couple months). Maybe because it's a handheld, or maybe because it's a Nintendo console, but even though I knew practically everything about the system that I could read online before it came out, I was still surprised by the experience of the OS and the fullness of the system in terms of the included software.
This is the first time since like the SNES that I feel like Nintendo is finally creating a console that doesn't feel like it's trying to alienate itself by not having current gen features while still making itself feel distinct from the competition.
And did I mention how sexy the black unit is :Q ?
My only gripe so far is the placement of the earphone jack, I would prefer it to be on the sides instead of the middle. That way when I place the system in my breast pocket, the audio cord can stay plugged into the system. Other than that, I am quite happy with this thing.
Now all I have to do is get use to pulling the stylus from the top instead of the side ::) .
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 27, 2011, 09:52:19 PM
I like that the stylus is on the top because having it on the side led to it falling out of the unit in my pocket on a somewhat regular basis. I think it would work a lot better if it were on the other side of the cartridge slot, though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 27, 2011, 10:14:30 PM
Just want to jump in and mention for those having issues with the 3Ds battery life. In the link below you can find a device that works with the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 27, 2011, 11:41:59 PM
I'm sure the 3DS actually takes regular cell phone-type headsets with the mic on the same plug.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on March 28, 2011, 12:08:00 AM
So there is no place to put the wrist strap?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 28, 2011, 12:13:26 AM
Nowhere that I can see, sorry. And as for the mic/earphone combo headphones with the funny jack, the 3DS does not support those anymore unlike the rest of the DS family. I never had a use for that specific type of jack though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on March 28, 2011, 12:19:30 AM
I was able to try out the 3DS at both the Grand Central terminal and the Nintendo World Store yesterday. The 3D effect in the AR games was a little tiring on the eyes, but looked awesome in the Mii Channel and Street Fighter. I tried out Pilotwings Resort as well, but I couldn't find the sweet spot to get the 3D to look right.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on March 28, 2011, 12:23:15 AM
Why not? I can find the sweet spot instantly.
Also...I managed to get 3D boobs on my 3DS. Yipee.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on March 28, 2011, 12:43:06 AM
I dunno. I was trying out the light plane and I kept seeing double vision of the vehicle, and it made it awkward to play.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on March 28, 2011, 12:55:06 AM
Also...I managed to get 3D boobs on my 3DS. Yipee.
*Goes to buy the 3DS. Car tires screeching.*
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: leroypantweather on March 28, 2011, 01:04:42 AM
Despite my terrible experiences with Pilot wings at best buy( looked all doubley and blurry) i picked up the 3ds this morning. I didnt think the 3d would work for me but wow, i must eat a bit of crow. I bought street fighter and the 3d is fantastic. I was soo skeptical but this new system feels amazing and is a treat to look at.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 28, 2011, 09:21:10 AM
Anyone else have trouble connecting to wireless networks? I use an Airport Express- it works fine with my Wii, but my 3DS doesn't accept my password.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Nemo on March 28, 2011, 11:53:44 AM
I have an Airport Express at my house (but no 3DS). I'm curious to know if you can get it working, Tanookisuit.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 28, 2011, 12:09:37 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 28, 2011, 01:00:09 PM
The only issue I had with WiFi was that the German keyboard layout on the system didn't include some of the characters used in my passphrase so I had to switch it to English for that.
If the 3DS sold as sluggishly as store shelves suggest then I'll probably have a hard time finding someone to street tag. I've tagged the demo units in the stores of the nearby city already, one of them showed a total of 5 tags. Also spot pass didn't trigger at all I believe (Samurai Warriors supports that for downloading new maps).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on March 28, 2011, 02:28:30 PM
I wonder if the general public thinks this is just a new DS upgrade rather than a full on new system starting the next generation?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on March 28, 2011, 02:48:32 PM
Heh, I wondered if Nintendo should have went with a different name or not. I guess we'll see how this plays out.
I was all for the thing getting a new name.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on March 28, 2011, 08:10:18 PM
There's no microphone port - meaning no headset voice chat. Not that there was much anyway. There's no wrist strap slots. Meaning I can't force a wrist strap onto it. :(
There's two on the bottom of the system, in either corner closest tot he front. They're not rgularly shaped, but you could fit a wrist strap in there.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 28, 2011, 11:01:29 PM
Ah, I see. Nice find ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on March 28, 2011, 11:07:07 PM
Yup... What an awkward spot for them. Weird.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on March 29, 2011, 01:04:29 AM
I actually like it better than the way they were set up on all the DS's. The 3DS setup i perfect for both left and right hands, and seems to be just like the Wii Remote set up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: lolmonade on March 29, 2011, 01:18:10 AM
My blue 3DS with Pilotwings and Street Fighter are in the mail for Wednesday. I didn't see too much coverage on other games. Are any other launch games worth retail, or should I just whittle down on my DS backlog (Dragon Quest IX, Super Scribblenauts, Professor Layton)? Looking forward to the e-shop, so I'll finally have a chance to play Link's Awakening.
Also, LOL at all the people on Ebay thinking they were going to get $500-1000 for these things. Glad to see Nintendo decided that it was better to have too much stock than not enough.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on March 29, 2011, 01:21:15 AM
It will be interesting to see how stock fares once words gets out and more people try it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on March 29, 2011, 02:07:20 AM
I finally got to put in some time with my 3ds today. Bagged me SSF4 and Ghost Recon.
SSF4 is an great game, practically the same as the HD versions. The only gripe that I have is that I'm finding it a little hard to pull off moves given how small the dpad and buttons are but other than that, game is great. One thing I have noticed though is that I'm not as good in Street Fighter as I remember myself being lol. Even on medium difficulty, I'm having a hard time with a few fights.
Ghost Recon is a hidden gem though, I haven't been able to put it down yet, its too addicting. I don't think I've ever played a japanese srpg this deap. Theres the usual elevation and field variations to take into account but they have various degrees of cover to use. Characters offer return and support fire. One class lets you create a drone and place it where ever you please which opens up different strategies. Another class is cloked to the enemy which again can be real handy if used properly. I'm around 15 percent into the game right now so I don't know what other suprises this game has in store for me but so far, I'm in love.
As for the system itself, amazing. The system just screams quality. Everything is so crisp, clean, smooth, and modern looking, very unNintendo. I'm also very surprised at the audio quality. To me it sounds leagues better than what my DSi pumped out. The music in Ghost Recon so far is tight, almost sounds as if it were digital surround sound. My wife who just happened to be listening to me play my game said it sounded like I was watching a movie lol.
All in all, no regrets on my end. I can't wait till the system hits full stride with all its features opened through updates and a steady stream of software coming out.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on March 29, 2011, 02:17:37 AM
Other people's views on the 3DS, Samurai Warriors, and Ghost Recon, match mine, so I just wanted to say that I'm glad that so many are enjoying it. ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on March 29, 2011, 02:30:37 AM
Yeah, I really hope Ghost Recon sees enough success to warrant a sequal. Clearly this game was designed for the ds so I can only imagine how the game could've been if it was designed from the ground up for the 3ds. A sequal with an adequet developement time and budget could really make this series shine.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 29, 2011, 08:44:01 AM
I have an Airport Express at my house (but no 3DS). I'm curious to know if you can get it working, Tanookisuit.
Got it working. I just returned the Airport to the factory settings. I had previously changed some settings to make it work with my Samsung BluRay player.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 29, 2011, 08:54:01 AM
Absolutely loving the impressions folks! Keep 'em coming :)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 29, 2011, 11:15:39 AM
LOL at Tanooki's avatar.
Does it actually work?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on March 29, 2011, 11:50:47 AM
It does. I already have Yamauchi, Iwata, Reggie, Kojima, Miyamoto, Inafune, Hayao Miyazaki, guy from Super Monkey Ball/Yakuza, Shinji Mikami, Hideki Kamiya, and UncleBob.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 29, 2011, 12:15:13 PM
Yeah, I'm getting the itch to join the Q-code avatar club. Every time I see a new person put one up, I'm scrabbling for my 3DS to add them to my cast of characters ;D .
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on March 29, 2011, 12:15:43 PM
Here's a whole bunch of them: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=425581
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2011, 01:05:57 PM
Hmmm... I think a thread dedicated to QR codes should be created.
There actually is one made in the matchmaking section of the forum but I guess not many people go there...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on March 29, 2011, 02:12:06 PM
You should see the one of Link and Ganon, those are perfect lol. They seem to be modeled after the Wind Waker versions. The Mr. Bean and Jack Black Miis are so dead on its scary lol.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 29, 2011, 05:03:45 PM
I love how the deeper I dig into this system, the more I find. The graffiti option in the photo app is actually a very robust drawing tool, and the deformation tool (like making hills or valleys on your photos) is pretty amazing. Playing with the system, I get more and more excited about what Nintendo and others will do with it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 29, 2011, 08:20:21 PM
Yeah, no kidding. The potential is definitely there for a lot of creative implementation of various features of this system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2011, 09:39:20 PM
Our friends at Chipworks have decapsulated and analyzed the mysterious Fujitsu MB82M8080- 07L chip we found in the Nintendo 3DS. It turns out that “MB82M8080″ is actually code for“MB82DBS08645″ (of course!), which is the actual part number for the memory dies inside the chip. From that information, Chipworks deduced that they have a 512Mb FCRAM die on their hands. As there were two dies inside the chip, 2 dies x 512Megabits = 128 MB of RAM!
Fujitsu claims that their Fast Cycle RAM has a data rate of 3.2 GB/sec, which is approximately double the capability of DDR2 RAM, according to their chart. That’s certainly an impressive statistic, but we’ll have to see if the relatively-low memory amount hampers the 3DS performance over time.
That would be great news since it's twice as much as our worst estimates and 32MB more than our suspected amount. Right in line with our best realistic guesses though.
So it looks like that debug unit has 96MB reserved for games and 32MB was reserved for just the OS. I hope that means that lots of new features are on the way to utilize that 32MB considering that is the same amount the 360 uses.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on March 29, 2011, 09:44:28 PM
Wow, I didn't know it matched the 360 in that respect :Q
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 29, 2011, 09:47:24 PM
I've now come to the conclusion that I can't actually see the 3D effect. I had this realization after I played Pilotwings for half an hour without realizing that I had the 3D turned off.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stogi on March 29, 2011, 09:51:51 PM
Poor poor insanolord...
BTW your avatar is perfect for your post.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 29, 2011, 10:04:11 PM
I played the 3DS today and I was not in any way shape or form blown out of the water. I could see the effect just fine and I guess it was cool, but the screen is so damn tiny and the viewing angle is so damn small that I will likely just wait it out till there is either a revision or too many games that I can't pass up.
there were 3 angles at which I could see the 3D, straight on and and either 45o angle. anything but perfectly in any of those 3 spots and you've got a double vision mess. Also I don't know if it was the demo unit at Best Buy, but the slider might as well have been a 3 position switch with the way it seemed to effect the screen. You have high, low & off. I couldn't seem to get any difference inbetween those 3 positions.... atleast not while playing Pilot Wings.
The 3DS is a definite wait and see for me. I know I will buy it eventually, but I am not sold at $250, not for just SSFIV3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: FZeroBoyo on March 29, 2011, 10:32:53 PM
Having played around with it for a while, I can say that I'm loving this thing. I picked up Street Fighter IV and Pilotwings with the system and have found both to be enjoyable (though I prefer the former). The AR games are fun, even if getting the lighting conditions are annoying, and when I played a few rounds of Face Raiders, I was smiling the entire time. Taking pictures of the Miis is also a lot of fun and the sound system is a fun little thing to play around with.
Overall, I'm very happy with my purchase. Definitely worth the 300 bucks I put down for it (at least so far...).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on March 29, 2011, 11:31:51 PM
Sucks to hear that Insanolord. What do you see when you adjust the the slider? I would sudjest, if you can, try another game. For some reason, the 3d in Pilotwings messes with me a little. I think it has to do with the plane and the background image. When I shift my focus from the plane to the environment and vice a versa, it messes with the effect. I find it better to just focus on the background and not the plane. I really hope you get to play with it some more and eventually get around to seeing some 3d at least.
One thing I'll like to mention about the system is that I never thought I'd love the Streetpass and Mii implementation as much as I do. Whenever I take my 3ds out on the road with me, I can't wait to get home and see if I've collected any other Miis. I've only ran into 2 so far. One girl in college and a guy while I was out about town. Does anyone know if only your personal Mii gets transfered or any Mii you've created in your system can get sent out?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 29, 2011, 11:46:03 PM
I can definitely see a difference with the 3D on, and the depth is a little clearer, but not that much, and the picture seems blurrier overall. I think I prefer it without the 3D, especially since that'll drastically improve the battery life.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on March 29, 2011, 11:56:31 PM
well hopefully your issues are on a game by game basis. Wouldn't want anyone missing out on everything the system has to offer. Try holding the system up closer and see if that helps. I find it much clearer when I have the system around a foot or less to my face. I know that'll only be possible at home though, you can't really get that close when you playing out and about.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on March 30, 2011, 12:49:55 AM
I played around with the 3DS at Best Buy today. They have it screwed down maybe 3 feet off the ground so I had to lean down to play it which wasn't ideal but I still contorted my body into the 3D sweet spot. I saw the 3D effect just fine. It was neat-o and all but that launch is awful and that, of course, is the dealbreaker. I can wait. A redesign is coming (my guess is Fall 2012), will have better battery life, will likely be larger etc. etc. etc. It'll be the 3DS I wish the current 3DS was and have at least 18 months' worth of software, namely the ones I'm even remotely interested in Mario 3DS and Revelations in addition to surprises in the coming months (still crossing my fingers for 2D Metroid). I'm always excited for new hardware, but it gets easier and easier to play the wait-and-see card when inevitable revisions and redesigns are the norm. I'm also buying a phone within the next 12 months and that's a bigger priority than a game system I'm not going to play much, partly due to the poor selection of available titles and because my gaming has simply decreased as I've inched ever closer to 30 (I'm 26).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on March 30, 2011, 10:54:10 AM
Does anyone know if only your personal Mii gets transfered or any Mii you've created in your system can get sent out?
You have to select one Mii for Street Pass, that's the one that gets sent out. I've tagged two people and two in-store demo units.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on March 31, 2011, 12:15:12 AM
Was just thinking about this tonight after viewing numerous pics online of the 3DS.... but, after demo'ing the 3DS at Best Buy the other day for a good 20 minutes, I've come to this conclusion...
I really loathe the design of the L and R buttons on this thing. They're way too thin and too "clicky" for my tastes. The DS Lite's were perfect... although, I much prefer the L and R buttons from the original GBA best. Those things were awesome.
But yeah, I'm starting to notice a couple features that I can definitely see being improved upon in a revision on down the line.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on March 31, 2011, 12:30:51 AM
Mine arrived today after some issues with Amazon.com. I'll post my impressions of it this weekend. By then I'll have played more of Steel Diver, Ridge Racer, and Street Fighter.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on March 31, 2011, 12:45:53 AM
So far, I've gotten a few headaches, but nothing that made me stop playing. Though, this could be due to my sleeping/eating habits. I've played Rayman 3D and SSFIV. The 3D is SSFIV is great. I really like it, though I suck a fighting games. :P Rayman is ok.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: lolmonade on March 31, 2011, 12:54:39 AM
Just got mine in the mail today with Pilotwings & Street Fighter.
I just have to say that playing it in your hands where you can move it close enough to have the optimum 3D effect makes all the difference. Playing it at a kiosk in Best Buy brought me over the tipping point to purchase it despite the fact that it was bolted to a stupid display approx. 4 ft tall, and after an hour or so of tinkering around with the features, I'm definitely glad that I got it.
My wife was blown away by the AR cards and all the features, especially face raiders and the ability to make a mii by photo. She was also impressed with watching me play Street Fighter for the sake of the 3D.
Both Pilotwings and Street Fighter are a ton of fun, but I see myself sinking my teeth into Pilotwings first, as it's been a long time since I've played a flight simulator, and this is my first pilotwings game. Street Fighter will be a good way to get my fighting game fix on the road.
I tried out a regular DS game since I heard there were complaints about the graphics being lesser quality, and while I did notice a bit of the colors being washed out and a tiny bit more pixelation, it wasn't enough to get on my nerves, so I think i'll be getting rid of my old DS lite. I also saw there was a Nyko Battery attachment that doubles the battery life of the 3DS (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/03/heavy-black-rubber-testing-nykos-third-party-3ds-battery.ars), so I think I might grab that before my next trip.
Overall, very happy with my purchase, and I'm sure my current games will tide me over well in the meantime until some more meaty experiences show up :)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Drizzt on March 31, 2011, 07:43:34 PM
What 3DS games are you guys looking forward to?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on March 31, 2011, 07:56:25 PM
All three announced Mario games, hands-down.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 31, 2011, 08:29:47 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: lolmonade on March 31, 2011, 09:09:46 PM
Ocarina of Time 3D Links Awakening.
Something I've wanted to see since the original DS as well as on the Wii has been a RTS game. I think that touch-screen controls and motion controls like the wii remote would work perfectly for this genre, and truly believe that was the wasted opportunity of this gen's consoles (for all of them now that they have some type of motion control).
Also, now that I think of it, one thing I think could greatly improve the experience of something like Ogre Battle 64 would have been wii remote or touch-screen control. I think it would have made it a more fluid game and help with the speed of the game. So I guess another one on my wish list would be either a re-release of Ogre Battle 64 similar to OoT or Starfox, or a all new Ogre Battle game utilizing those play mechanics with a revamp of the control scheme to completely utilize touch-screen controls.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on March 31, 2011, 10:26:49 PM
Mario Kart for online play. Resident Evil for in-the-dark-scary-time. Animal Crossing for something to play daily for years. And Mario 3D forever.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ymeegod on March 31, 2011, 11:43:34 PM
"Something I've wanted to see since the original DS as well as on the Wii has been a RTS game." LOL, there is another me? Ever since they announced the WII I've been waiting for all those PC's point & click RTS games and recieved none. RTS games never sold all that well on a console but I thought this genertation they might actually try.
Wouldn't mind seeing a another Japanese RTS/RPG hybrid.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on April 01, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
There are some half-assed RTSes on the DS but even the iOS has a dearth of real RTSes (but plenty of GalCon clones...).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 01, 2011, 01:07:50 PM
Slate.com says the 3DS sucks. Though it should be noted that the author says "Handheld games aren't really my thing" and "I'm not a big 3-D fan either."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on April 01, 2011, 04:02:13 PM
Slate.com says the 3DS sucks. Though it should be noted that the author says "Handheld games aren't really my thing" and "I'm not a big 3-D fan either."
Why do these people even bother reviewing it then? It's like me reviewing McDonald's new hamburger and saying it sucks but quantifying it with "Fast food really isn't my thing" and "I'm a vegan also".
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on April 01, 2011, 04:22:45 PM
There are some half-assed RTSes on the DS but even the iOS has a dearth of real RTSes (but plenty of GalCon clones...).
There are a number of good ones, though. I haven't played it, but Starfront: Collision is supposed to be excellent.
There are some (I'm partial towards Land Air Sea Warfare) but they're disproportionately few compared to the library of games. Same on the DS. A problem is that RTSes require good AI and some processing power to have good pathfinding and physics.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on April 01, 2011, 04:45:57 PM
I suppose this is as good a place to post this as anywhere, but on my way home from the grocery store today I stopped by my local GS to see if they had a 3DS demo unit. I've been considering purchasing a 3DS for some of the later announced games. Turns out they didn't have a demo unit, but they did have one they were just playing with that had Pilotwings in it. So I start it up, crank that slider to 3D, and then spend the next 30 seconds or so trying to find the precise angle you need to hold the damn thing in to get the 3D effect. After a good minute just messing around with it, I hand the thing back and head home. My entire drive home I have a minor headache, which is weird because I usually don't have a problem viewing 3D. It's the kind of semi-motion sickness headache I get when I ride stuff like Mission: Space or Harry Potter & the Forbidden Journey, which use quasi-3D displays to show video that looks a little out-of-focus.
Looks like the 3DS just isn't for me, despite it feeling like a fine machine. Sure, you can turn the 3D effect off, but what's the point in that when it's the main feature of the machine?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 01, 2011, 05:33:11 PM
Yeah, what's the point of playing the Wii if you're going to play games that don't use motion controls, or DS games that don't use the touch screen? Why would anyone want to do that?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on April 01, 2011, 05:41:34 PM
I get double vision in PilotWings if the 3D is turned all the way up (I just can't seem to find the right spot, but I get no headaches, which is good), but it works really well in Nintendogs. I don't really mind staying in one spot to see the depth. The Face Raiders 3D also works well, but anything with the AR games is obnoxiously bad with its 3D, probably because you need the view the AR cards close-up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on April 01, 2011, 06:04:32 PM
Dude. Don't play Pilotwings with it turned up all the way. Put it three-fourths to halfway on Pilotwings. Works perfect. You guys need to experiment.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on April 01, 2011, 09:30:33 PM
I got my first StreetPass Mii today! I didn't think it was ever going to happen.
Oblivion is right, put the 3D halfway fro Pilotwings. I had a headache after my first play with a demo unit, but now I've been playing hours every day with no headaches. I find being in my apartment with less light works best. At night the 3D is great. Reflections in bright light are a big problem.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on April 01, 2011, 10:52:25 PM
I get double vision in PilotWings if the 3D is turned all the way up
And of course I experiment. I'm constantly playing with the depth slider everywhere I can to see what situations look the best in varying degrees of 3D. Pilotwings seems to suffer as 3D increases, but Nintendogs gets better, though I prefer it at 3/4.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 02, 2011, 01:15:32 AM
So what is the verdict on the touch screen? Is it a cheap and nasty one that Nintendo got on special in the bargain bin, or is it a nice quality one like something from an Isomething or smart phone?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 02, 2011, 01:16:36 AM
I haven't spent too much time with games that use the touch screen, but it feels better than any of the DS touch screens to me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 02, 2011, 05:27:43 AM
So finally got my 3DS yesterday, and I am quite happy with the system. It is well built, has a solid OS along with packaged software (though the camera really sucks, wish they would have put in better quality cameras, oh well). I found the right angle for 3D almost instantly, and have been playing Pilotwings Resort, which is a lot of fun. I can play it for 10 minutes are so with the 3D up all the way but after that I need to lower it a bit. When I got tired I noticed the 3D blurring a bit, and causing more strain, so I turned it off, which is to be expected. Really though I am quite happy with it, the 3D works great so far, it is quite amazing how much 3D has progressed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on April 02, 2011, 05:59:27 AM
But of course we have to remember what will inevitably happen. Nintendo will implement 3D into gaming (glasses free), but Sony will perfect it. cough
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: KDR_11k on April 02, 2011, 07:31:06 AM
I play my 3DS with the slider at 80%, maybe my reduced vision prevents headaches but I'm not getting any issues with it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on April 02, 2011, 08:31:26 AM
So what is the verdict on the touch screen? Is it a cheap and nasty one that Nintendo got on special in the bargain bin, or is it a nice quality one like something from an Isomething or smart phone?
The touch screen is really nice. Noticeably more accurate than the DS's touch screen. It's not like an iPhone screen, but I like that. It's more precise.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on April 02, 2011, 01:57:10 PM
So what is the verdict on the touch screen? Is it a cheap and nasty one that Nintendo got on special in the bargain bin, or is it a nice quality one like something from an Isomething or smart phone?
The touch screen is really nice. Noticeably more accurate than the DS's touch screen. It's not like an iPhone screen, but I like that. It's more precise.
I agree as well. It feels almost, I don't know, like more crisp when I tap it just browsing the OS and typing in stuff and such. It's odd, but it seems more responsive than both the DS Lite and DSi screens.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ymeegod on April 03, 2011, 12:14:34 AM
Well finally gotten my hands on it, tried the demo unit which was playing SSF4. Yeah not the best game to show off 3d effects kinda wished Gamestop used Pilot Wings instead.
Overall I say what impressed me the most of the demo unit was the analog stick. It felt great and I was pulling off ultras with utter ease.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 03, 2011, 12:21:52 AM
Yeah, as someone who can't see the 3D, I'm loving the system because of the analog stick. Nintendo really nailed that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 03, 2011, 01:30:19 AM
Yeah, as someone who can't see the 3D, I'm loving the system because of the analog stick. Nintendo really nailed that.
Yeah the analog stick is fantastic, I hated the PSP's stick. Guess it is only fair that Nintendo perfects something Sony implemented more prominently on a handheld.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on April 03, 2011, 01:41:43 AM
Could the slide pad on the 3DS be a suitable replacement for the analog stick on the Wii nunchuck?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: lolmonade on April 03, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
Some more thoughts after spending considerably more time with my 3DS:
- If I play for more than a half hour, and then look at a computer screen, my eyes play tricks on me and my computer screen looks like it has the 3D depth.
- I love the concept of Street pass, but am afraid it's only going to work well for people in heavily populated areas. This will be better once I move to New York, but for the time being I'm in a rural area, and the only one I've encountered so far was a girl in my local Gamestop.
- I like everyone else love the slide pad, and it puts the PSP's nub to shame.
- I also appreciate the widescreen at the top, and the touch screen seems to show much more detail in the pilotwings map than I've seen any other DS game use it
The 3D is going to be like Wii's motion controls. It'll be what is used to rope people into buying it. Only a fraction of the games will be using it as a necessary or compelling component of the game. The rest of the games will use it like Super Street Fighter 4 do: a nice addition, but just an optional enhancement.
Which is fine in my opinion. I'm just happy to have a system that seems to be much more enabled than the DS. I'm hoping for a new F-Zero and Smash Bros game on this system. Also want a Pikmin game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 03, 2011, 02:48:10 PM
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If I play for more than a half hour, and then look at a computer screen, my eyes play tricks on me and my computer screen looks like it has the 3D depth.
I've noticed the exact same thing, it is really odd. Even when I watch TV shortly after it my eyes are trying to see 3D.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on April 03, 2011, 07:23:12 PM
That's happened to me a few times as well. Glad I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Tanookisuit on April 03, 2011, 08:46:26 PM
Same here. Looking at my iPhone after playing the 3DS is a very weird experience.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: n-phage on April 03, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
I am glad it is not just me. I thought maybe it was just all in my head. Well I guess it still kind of is probably.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: stardust462 on April 05, 2011, 02:18:27 PM
I really enjoy the 3DS so far. My previous DS was the original bulky red one that I got for Christmas 5 years ago, so I was long overdue for an upgrade (especially because the touch screen wasn't accurate anymore - not fun when trying to play Elite Beat Agents).
I really like the AR Cards. Playing those at PAX East really solidified my decision to buy this. So far I only have Pilotwings, which is just as fun as it was back when I played it on the N64. Honestly I've been playing mostly Picross now that I have a accurate touch screen again. That game is so addicting.
I'm still kind of meh about the whole 3D thing. Using it with the AR Cards and Faceraiders is fun and different, but for like 10 minutes. The cartridge games aren't that much more special because of the 3D. At first it's like "oh, that's cool!" but then the novelty wears off. I'm not sure how much they can do with game elements requiring 3D because of people who can't see it or it gives them headaches, but I'm curious to see how things develop.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on April 05, 2011, 11:45:46 PM
After having the system now for almost 2 weeks, playing games in 3D is akin to playing games in HD to me. Like when you got your first real taste of gaming in HD for a good period of time, then you go and game on an SD television...it's extremely hard to go back. I feel that way with the 3D in these 3DS games. I've been lucky to not have any adverse affects from the 3D from the get go, so after all this playing I've become even more acclimated to 3D. If I start up a game with the 3D off and start playing it, I immediately feel like "Man, somethings missing..." then BOOM, I see the 3D is switched off and am greeted immediately with what I've come to expect from that game.
It's funny because the games themselves don't drop in visual quality or anything, but if a game is 3D enabled (besides the AR games) I need to have it on. Has anybody else come to this conclusion or feel similar after playing with the system for decent amount of time?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on April 07, 2011, 09:53:56 PM
After having the system now for almost 2 weeks, playing games in 3D is akin to playing games in HD to me. Like when you got your first real taste of gaming in HD for a good period of time, then you go and game on an SD television...it's extremely hard to go back. I feel that way with the 3D in these 3DS games. I've been lucky to not have any adverse affects from the 3D from the get go, so after all this playing I've become even more acclimated to 3D. If I start up a game with the 3D off and start playing it, I immediately feel like "Man, somethings missing..." then BOOM, I see the 3D is switched off and am greeted immediately with what I've come to expect from that game.
It's funny because the games themselves don't drop in visual quality or anything, but if a game is 3D enabled (besides the AR games) I need to have it on. Has anybody else come to this conclusion or feel similar after playing with the system for decent amount of time?
Personally speaking, I've had the opposite reaction to both 3D and HD: a few minutes after I turned them on, I stopped noticing the difference,* unless I'm watching a 3D movie and it has one of those moments whose only purpose is to have a lot of pop-out. I guess I'm just not much of a videophile.
*Except when I leave the sweet spot with the 3DS. It becomes very noticeable then!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ThomasO on April 08, 2011, 02:52:46 AM
After having the system now for almost 2 weeks, playing games in 3D is akin to playing games in HD to me. Like when you got your first real taste of gaming in HD for a good period of time, then you go and game on an SD television...it's extremely hard to go back. I feel that way with the 3D in these 3DS games. I've been lucky to not have any adverse affects from the 3D from the get go, so after all this playing I've become even more acclimated to 3D. If I start up a game with the 3D off and start playing it, I immediately feel like "Man, somethings missing..." then BOOM, I see the 3D is switched off and am greeted immediately with what I've come to expect from that game.
It's funny because the games themselves don't drop in visual quality or anything, but if a game is 3D enabled (besides the AR games) I need to have it on. Has anybody else come to this conclusion or feel similar after playing with the system for decent amount of time?
Same with me as well. I actually start feeling disoriented when the 3D is turned off.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on April 08, 2011, 10:53:29 AM
The link pretty much says it all, but because of the release of PS2 dating sim on the PSP, it has outsold the 3DS for the week in Japan.
For a system that has 5+ years of software, is cheaper, and has a title released in a very popular genre in the country where said system enjoys the highest active user base on the planet...I'm not surprised it outsold a system that has only been out for a couple months that has no marqueé title.
I hate when people report doom and gloom on companies, especially Nintendo, over silly crap like this. Slow news day over there I suppose.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MaryJane on April 08, 2011, 06:08:51 PM
There's nothing doom and gloom about the article...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on April 08, 2011, 08:25:13 PM
Apparently Sony thinks the 3DS is simply a babysitting toy and something that twenty-somethings would not want to be seen outside with.
Could this be a challenge to Nintendo to return to hardcore gaming?
We've already been discussing it Re: Sony Hasn't Learned Anything, While Nintendo Has. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=33710.msg665687#msg665687)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2011, 01:13:43 PM
Looks like 3DS may get Sonic Generations http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/17/sonic_generations_3ds/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/05/17/sonic_generations_3ds/)
According to the Sega Sammy Financial Report, Sonic Generation is now coming to the 3DS. It was previously only listed as a PS3/360 & PC title according to Andriasang. They believe it could be an error, but if it isn't, then there should be some happy 3DS owning Sonic fans this winter.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on May 18, 2011, 04:27:31 PM
A few weeks ago Gamestop had some information about Generations being on 3DS so I believe it. Still don't care after seeing 3D green hill... YUCK!
Title: Shinobi & Sonic Generations 3DS
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2011, 07:53:07 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: bosshogx on May 26, 2011, 10:28:52 PM
I've collected enough puzzle pieces to finish 5 puzzles. No one in my area has gotten a single Kirby yet. Frustrating!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Seacor on June 07, 2011, 11:51:19 PM
I am a new 3DS owner and am still figuring this new device out. So far, I am a bit disappointed with the Friends List functionality. It feels incomplete. Hopefully, I am missing something?
1. I thought there was going to be a chat/instant messaging feature so you could message folks in your friends list. No, the 16 character status message doesn't count. Anyone know if chat a planned future update? Maybe email a message or send a photo?
2. As you can see what game a friend is playing, is there any way to send a request to join them? Can that only be done from within the game?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: SixthAngel on June 08, 2011, 01:27:24 AM
Whats going on with the 4 swords zelda for free? If they give it online I might have to pick up the 3ds a little early.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: leroypantweather on June 14, 2011, 05:52:46 PM
WHEN WILL MY 3DS FRIENDS LIST ACTUALLY BE USABLE? I am growing tired of trying to use facebook chat and twitter to try to contact people who are "online" and invite them to a game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Pajamas on June 14, 2011, 06:03:56 PM
Whats going on with the 4 swords zelda for free? If they give it online I might have to pick up the 3ds a little early.
It's going to be a port of the GBA version. I wouldn't be surprised if it only supported local multiplayer. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/14/free-dsiware-four-swords-is-the-gba-version/
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on June 14, 2011, 06:44:00 PM
Did someone seriously think they were going to port a Gamecube game to DSiWare and then give it away for FREE?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 14, 2011, 06:56:40 PM
Whats going on with the 4 swords zelda for free? If they give it online I might have to pick up the 3ds a little early.
It's going to be a port of the GBA version. I wouldn't be surprised if it only supported local multiplayer. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/14/free-dsiware-four-swords-is-the-gba-version/
I've never played Four Swords before- What are the differences between the Gamecube and GBA versions?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: n-phage on June 14, 2011, 07:25:57 PM
Whats going on with the 4 swords zelda for free? If they give it online I might have to pick up the 3ds a little early.
It's going to be a port of the GBA version. I wouldn't be surprised if it only supported local multiplayer. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/14/free-dsiware-four-swords-is-the-gba-version/
I've never played Four Swords before- What are the differences between the Gamecube and GBA versions?
They are completely different. It has been a long time since I played the GBA one, but if I remember right you just played through a short randomly generated level. And of course could play it over and over again. I remember it being more like the overworld than adungeon. Plus the different players didn't have to be anywhere near each other since they had their own screens. I don't remember what you had to do to complete the level. The gamecube one was pretty much a complete zelda game with a story, dungeons, and bosses. Everyone pretty much had to be on the same screen except individual players could go into houses and would then switch to being on their GBA. In both games there are puzzles that require multiple players to complete.
Title: 3DS's 2 big problems solved. Netflix coming this summer.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2011, 05:47:23 PM
Reggie: We have fixed the 3DS's 2 (TWO) Big problems so now we may all go out an buy a 3DS.... http://kotaku.com/5813712/nintendo-believes-the-3ds-two-big-problems-have-been-fixed (http://kotaku.com/5813712/nintendo-believes-the-3ds-two-big-problems-have-been-fixed)
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There were actually two problems holding prospective 3DS purchasers back, Fils-Aime told me, two problems he believes the company has addressed.
"When we launched, we had a fantastic day one and a very strong week one," he said during our recent interview. "We talked to consumers. Consumers were highly satisfied with the device. They loved the built-in applications. They loved the game experiences. We had high levels of awareness. We had high levels of intent-to-purchase.
"But when we started talking to consumers who were aware or interested, but hadn't yet bought, they told us two things: first, I need a big Nintendo franchise for our purchase. The second thing was I need the network to be up. I need the connected experiences to be there."
Well guess what Reggie, I need the price to go down. That was the 3rd1st Big Problem that you forgot to mention and forgot to address.
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That first problem that Fils-Aime mentioned was surely the byproduct of a launch line-up that included a Nintendogs, but no Mario, no Zelda, no Smash Bros. or any flagship game. The second problem was even more awkward: the inclusion, on the 3DS' touch screen of a non-functional web browser that, when touched, indicated that the machine's online services would be activated by Nintendo at a later date.
He said he wasn't guessing about this stuff. It sounded like they came from surveys. "I know those were the two factors, based on the consumer information," he said.
AS for problem 1 & 2 & 3; You deliver us Mario 3D (and some more core efforts from 1st & 3rd Parties) and you deliver us Netflix (preferably w/ 3D content) and all may be forgiven.... for now.
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The Missing 3D Video Service
While Nintendo finally activated the 3DS' web browser and online shop a couple of weeks ago, more than a month after the machine's launch, it has yet to debut the 3DS' promised 3D video service. Despite the release of one music video, several 3D game trailers and a single 3D movie trailer for the movie Green Lantern, there has yet to be a sign of an actual, organized 3D movie service. It's coming, Fils-Aime said. "There will be music videos. There will be 3D movie trailers. There will be Nintendo-curated content, things we believe are interesting that, candidly, we've helped finance. I am actively involved in all of that content identification. … It's going to be fun." That will launch in the summer, along with non-3D Netflix support.
So Netflix is coming within the next few months.... but where is the 3D movies? Don't think I didn't notice that you didn't mention the 3D movies. Where are the 3D movies Nintendo? Where is my 3D Netflix... um.... Netflix?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caliban on June 21, 2011, 01:06:20 AM
They also have a problem that won't go away without spending more money. The battery life.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on June 21, 2011, 08:23:50 PM
Oh my lord... The Microphone placement on the 3DS stinks. I'm playing Spirit Tracks and to register you have to blow on this weird corner where you can't see the screen. I had to switch to my DSL to do the first duet.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on June 26, 2011, 06:56:38 PM
Add me to the short list of people with a 3DS, I got one about ten days ago I think. I was going to buy an original DS since the Wii is starting to wind down, and also because I've been wanting to play some RPGs but there isn't much worthwhile in that category on the Wii but the DS seems swimming in them. But after watching E3 and seeing games like Luigi's Mansion 2, Super Mario 3D, Mario Kart 3DS, and Kid Icarus, I knew I wouldn't be able to resist buying a 3DS when those games hit. So I then started thinking, why should I buy a DS if I'm just going to get a 3DS at the end of the year? It is expensive, but I don't anticipate a price drop soon and so I'd end up spending more anyway if I got a DS first.
I could justify the cost since for me, the system is two handhelds in one. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bought one now, and I'm not sure when I would have if the price remains the same for a while. I've already bought a few DS games that I found on sale so you could say I got one to play DS games, which might seem a little strange. It may be a while before I get any actual 3DS games, since the current lineup doesn't particularly interest me, and the few that do aren't worth the $40 price tag to me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on June 27, 2011, 01:44:46 PM
Add me to the short list of people with a 3DS, I got one about ten days ago I think. I was going to buy an original DS since the Wii is starting to wind down, and also because I've been wanting to play some RPGs but there isn't much worthwhile in that category on the Wii but the DS seems swimming in them. But after watching E3 and seeing games like Luigi's Mansion 2, Super Mario 3D, Mario Kart 3DS, and Kid Icarus, I knew I wouldn't be able to resist buying a 3DS when those games hit. So I then started thinking, why should I buy a DS if I'm just going to get a 3DS at the end of the year? It is expensive, but I don't anticipate a price drop soon and so I'd end up spending more anyway if I got a DS first.
I could justify the cost since for me, the system is two handhelds in one. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bought one now, and I'm not sure when I would have if the price remains the same for a while. I've already bought a few DS games that I found on sale so you could say I got one to play DS games, which might seem a little strange. It may be a while before I get any actual 3DS games, since the current lineup doesn't particularly interest me, and the few that do aren't worth the $40 price tag to me.
Welcome aboard. Don't forget to grab Excitebike before it isn't free. Even if you don't like the game playing it for a bit just to see how they handled it is neat. Plus you have FaceRaiders and Find Mii. Not retail games but, still fun. I was looking at the time spent on my 3DS and the list goes Super Princess Peach, SSFIV, Zelda: Spirit Tracks (A little surprised on this one), and Layton: PB so, your not alone on using it to play DS games. The only problem is it doesn't play GBA games :P So I'm using my DS Lite or Phat for that, My son know owns the DS Lite and he gets upset when you have it and he can't play Dora. (He also gets upset when he uses all the vibe ability in Super Princess Peach so you have to find enemies to eat...)
Oh also download the Trailer for Luigi Mansion and Kid Icarus. I enjoyed the Kid Icarus one.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on July 02, 2011, 01:34:51 AM
Hey with street pass do I have to go into each game to allow the function?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on July 02, 2011, 03:40:17 AM
No. Just close the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on July 02, 2011, 07:16:37 AM
Hey with street pass do I have to go into each game to allow the function?
Don't let him confuse you. Yes, initially you have to setup StreetPass for each game. Even the built in ones. It makes a special little save and then your ready to go and its just closing your system.
Note: Streetpass doesn't work while playing DS Games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 02, 2011, 12:50:39 PM
So street pass doesn't work while playing a 3DS game either?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on July 02, 2011, 01:00:02 PM
So street pass doesn't work while playing a 3DS game either?
Only DS Games. Everything else it works on. Though DSiWare I can't verify because I don't have any. As long as the wireless is on an it says Streetpass on the indicator its working I don't now if they cleared this up in the last patch but it also doesn't work when you are connected to the internet because it is using the wireless.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2011, 10:34:36 AM
So street pass doesn't work while playing a 3DS game either?
Only DS Games. Everything else it works on. Though DSiWare I can't verify because I don't have any. As long as the wireless is on an it says Streetpass on the indicator its working I don't now if they cleared this up in the last patch but it also doesn't work when you are connected to the internet because it is using the wireless.
DSiWare doesn't work as well since the 3DS goes into DSi emulation mode for any DS/DSi game or function.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2011, 08:22:59 PM
I traded in/sold a bunch of old games that I didn't want anymore and now I have about $120 credit/cash to waste on videogames. I contemplated putting it towards a 3DS because I don't know what else to do with the credit. I'm still undecided. My alternative is getting Lost in Shadow and The Crystal Bearers but I'd have some left over which I supposed I could just hold off on until Skyward Sword comes out.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on July 03, 2011, 08:45:44 PM
I traded in/sold a bunch of old games that I didn't want anymore and now I have about $120 credit/cash to waste on videogames. I contemplated putting it towards a 3DS because I don't know what else to do with the credit. I'm still undecided. My alternative is getting Lost in Shadow and The Crystal Bearers but I'd have some left over which I supposed I could just hold off on until Skyward Sword comes out.
If you are any kind of handheld gamer, I say pick up a 3DS with that credit. The only reason not to is if you have absolutely NO INTEREST in the current roster of 3DS games OR DS games. Otherwise, dude, thats only $130 your paying for a 3DS (and if you have a DS, trade that bastard in to shave even more off the price)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on July 04, 2011, 11:14:25 AM
The only thing that interests me at the moment is Ocarina of Time 3D which is the game I would get if I already had a 3DS, but it's not something I necessarily would buy a 3DS for. I have multiple copies of Ocarina of Time. I did get to play it on 3DS and it looks really good in 3D. Just not sure it looks $40 good.
I have a DSi, but I plan on keeping it since I don't like how DS games look on 3DS. I wouldn't even be considering getting 3DS if I didn't have the credit. It was the same reason I bought PSP a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on July 06, 2011, 09:31:31 PM
The only reason I could justify buying a 3DS is because I don't own a DS, so for me there is a huge library of current DS games plus all of the upcoming 3DS titles. Since you already have a DS, I would say to hold off buying a 3DS until later, when whichever of the upcoming games comes out that you really want. Unless you don't think you'll have enough money for a 3DS and games at that point, then buy the system now.
I'd just buy those two games you want. That should leave you with about $80 which you can save for Zelda Skyward Sword and put the rest towards another game you want that is coming out soon.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on July 07, 2011, 12:38:59 PM
I was pretty unimpressed with my 3DS purchase until the eShop update, but between the DSiWare stuff (which you already have access to) and the new Virtual Console I think the purchase is finally starting to justify itself. Adrock, my advice is to wait a few more weeks and see what comes out for the VC. If it continues to add quality games at its current rate (and you don't own said games already) I think the purchase will be worth it. Otherwise, you can wait until the end of the year or later, when retail games finally start coming out for the thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 13, 2011, 08:49:33 AM
Even though I play with 3D off and put it in the charge cradle every night, I'm still running out the battery on mine. I'm playing the hell out of it, and I still have two full retail games I haven't even booted up yet.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on July 13, 2011, 08:59:25 AM
Even though I play with 3D off and put it in the charge cradle every night, I'm still running out the battery on mine. I'm playing the hell out of it, and I still have two full retail games I haven't even booted up yet.
You might want to consider the Nyko battery upgrade. Its $30 with its own charging cradle. Mine gets used but not that much.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 13, 2011, 11:53:40 AM
Nah, it's not that much of a problem. I wasn't complaining about the battery so much as I was emphasizing how much I've been playing it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on July 13, 2011, 12:25:27 PM
Nah, it's not that much of a problem. I wasn't complaining about the battery so much as I was emphasizing how much I've been playing it.
I know you weren't but you be one of the few who find true benefit from it. I actually like how it changes the back to the different finish and I'm not as cramped.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on July 15, 2011, 06:16:06 PM
After months of being totally broke I finally got my first drop of cash and so far all I've bought was a 3DS (cosmo black). I was in a jealous rage over my girlfriend having access to Netflix and being able to go out to collect Street Passes (in NYC there are so many if you go to the right places and she hasn't attended any meetups). I bought Street Fighter months ago so that's what I'm playing for now and I transferred some of my DSiWare titles like Cave Story, Shantae and Mighty Flip Champs over. I may transfer over Link's Awakening from her system if she doesn't want to play it. Since there aren't any 3DS titles I'm really itching to play I'm going to catch up on DS titles like Dragon Quest VI and Okamiden. I look forward to playing GameBoy classics I might have owned in the past, but for now I'm just charging it up.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 19, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
I now own nine 3DS retail games, in addition to my still owning every available VC game. What the hell is wrong with me?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 19, 2011, 11:53:03 PM
Considering that there are less than 40 3DS retail games out (at least according to Nintendo's site), there is saying something.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on July 20, 2011, 12:09:32 AM
What are those nine games? I can think of only three that interest me, and they are all from Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 20, 2011, 12:21:10 AM
If you are into the LEGO games (which are pretty fun IMO), then LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars might be good.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 20, 2011, 12:56:56 AM
What are those nine games? I can think of only three that interest me, and they are all from Nintendo.
Pilotwings Resort Ridge Racer 3D Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D Madden NFL Football The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D Steel Diver Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D Samurai Warriors Chronicles
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 20, 2011, 01:36:53 AM
Did you really want a 3DS football game? From what I read in reviews, it was good but extremely barebones with almost no modes besides a season mode.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 20, 2011, 01:41:47 AM
That's an accurate description of the game's content. And I can't even argue that I was desperate for games, since I bought four other games on day one. I like it, but I probably shouldn't have paid $40 for it. It really pisses me off that Madden 12 isn't coming to the 3DS, though. I'd totally buy multiple versions of it this year with Peyton Hillis on the cover.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on July 20, 2011, 09:24:24 AM
That's an accurate description of the game's content. And I can't even argue that I was desperate for games, since I bought four other games on day one. I like it, but I probably shouldn't have paid $40 for it. It really pisses me off that Madden 12 isn't coming to the 3DS, though. I'd totally buy multiple versions of it this year with Peyton Hillis on the cover.
Which Art Style does it use?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 31, 2011, 03:45:02 PM
DLC system coming before the end of the year. Nintendo has no current plans to actually utilize it internally though. This is purely for the 3rd Parties at this point.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 31, 2011, 03:48:05 PM
That's OK. I am glad they realize the value in allowing third parties to do stuff like DLC even if they have no plans to do it themselves.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on August 02, 2011, 12:00:31 AM
I love being eligible for free games.
Sent from my 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 03, 2011, 08:02:05 PM
Quick question, Can I connect my Wii to my 3DS and transfer my Mii over as primary before having to go to Mii Maker?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on August 04, 2011, 12:44:18 AM
Quick question, Can I connect my Wii to my 3DS and transfer my Mii over as primary before having to go to Mii Maker?
Yes!
How?
I went to the Mii Plaza on the Wii, there was no connect to 3/DS option I went to Mii Plaza, and the only option was start from scratch or start from Photo.
1. Do I need to create a Mii first and then I can import, and will I be able to switch my Primary Mii afterwards? or 2. Can I import an already made Mii from my Wii as my Primary 3DS Mii before creating any?
If #2 please tell me how. If #1 please let me know.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on August 04, 2011, 11:43:58 PM
Quick question, Can I connect my Wii to my 3DS and transfer my Mii over as primary before having to go to Mii Maker?
Yes!
How?
I went to the Mii Plaza on the Wii, there was no connect to 3/DS option I went to Mii Plaza, and the only option was start from scratch or start from Photo.
1. Do I need to create a Mii first and then I can import, and will I be able to switch my Primary Mii afterwards? or 2. Can I import an already made Mii from my Wii as my Primary 3DS Mii before creating any?
If #2 please tell me how. If #1 please let me know.
Google is your friend. For a guy who seems to be the first on video game news, you don't know how to use Google very well.
It's even on their official website for pete's sake: http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/3ds/en_na/ht_apps.jsp (http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/3ds/en_na/ht_apps.jsp)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2011, 12:44:49 AM
Ok let me explain this again since you for some reason think I didn't read the instructions (which are on the 3DS BTW) first before asking about it here on the forums and you are not understanding my question.
The only options I have on the 3DS are "START FROM SCRATCH" & "CREATE FROM A PHOTO" there is no option to connect to Wii. I DO NOT see nick names to click on and there is no mention of anything Wii connectable on my 3DS.
Now to my understanding (and I may be wrong), the first Mii you have on your 3DS is your [Primary] System Mii and you can't change it, so I want to import my Wii Mii to my 3DS as the 1st [Primary] Mii on the system. Is that even necessary? Do I have it all wrong?
If i attempt to recreate my Mii on the 3DS, will that be my Primary system Mii or can I just create a random Mii and change my Primary later after I import.
edit: just you know, this post was edited from it's original text to remove any rude connotation in response to the previous post. I felt it wasn't necessary to respond in such a manner and instead "brush that dirt off my shoulder".
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 05, 2011, 01:34:44 AM
As a moderator, let me assure you, BnM, that someone of your stature in these forums is fully within his rights to respond with any connotations he likes, within reason.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2011, 01:48:25 AM
That's great and all, but i would really like an answer to my question please.
Is your first Mii on the 3DS your Permanent Primary Mii?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on August 05, 2011, 01:53:50 AM
It's your primary one used in things like StreetPass and the Activity Log, but I don't think it's permanent. I know that you can edit the Mii, but I do not know if you can make the primary Mii a different Mii since I have never done that meself.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: stevey on August 05, 2011, 01:55:10 AM
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Is your first Mii on the 3DS your Permanent Primary Mii?
Yep. You can only edit it, not switch it....
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2011, 02:00:27 AM
So do I have to create one on the 3DS before I can import some from the Wii?
I don't think it would be too hard to recreate my Mii, but I think it's perfect the way it is and would like to just transfer it over and then make 3DS specific tweaks afterwards.
Oh gawd. I just went into the Mii Maker and started making a Mii.... I can't find the right hair. I tried taking a photo.... WTF was that thing they created.
I would really really like to import my Wii Mii to my 3DS as my Primary. Does anyone know if that is possible?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on August 05, 2011, 12:55:33 PM
I would really really like to import my Wii Mii to my 3DS as my Primary. Does anyone know if that is possible?
Judging from that screenshot you posted, the problem is that you're hitting the "Create New Mii" button. That's not necessary. Instead, hit the "Send/Receive" button, then the "Mii Channel (Wii)" button. That should do it.
If the "Send/Receive" option isn't available the first time (i.e. it just cuts straight to the scene you posted), then it may be that you'll just have to create a new one, then modify it to look like the one you prefer. Sorry!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2011, 01:08:07 PM
I just decided to call Nintendo and find out if you could transfer your Wii Mii before creating a 3DS original/copy and the answer is no.
So I have to try and recreate my Mii on the 3DS, and then I can transfer over all my Wii Miis later.
I would really really like to import my Wii Mii to my 3DS as my Primary. Does anyone know if that is possible?
Judging from that screenshot you posted, the problem is that you're hitting the "Create New Mii" button. That's not necessary. Instead, hit the "Send/Receive" button, then the "Mii Channel (Wii)" button. That should do it.
If the "Send/Receive" option isn't available the first time (i.e. it just cuts straight to the scene you posted), then it may be that you'll just have to create a new one, then modify it to look like the one you prefer. Sorry!
That was the problem. Thanx for answering though.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on August 09, 2011, 02:31:46 AM
After a few days with the 3DS (and finally getting a game for it), here are some of my thoughts.
1. I don't like the position of the stylus. It's not as easily accessible as it is on the DSi (I don't have a DS Lite or original DS on me to compare) and this is coming from someone who is left handed. That was a minor inconvenience but I'd take the stylus on the right of the console than behind it.
2. The eShop is kind of slow, but FAR improved over the DSi. More importantly, it's infinitely easier to navigate. I'm glad that it's not as asininely "organized" as DSiWare was. The way the screenshots expand to show you what the games actually look like on both screens is a particularly nice touch.
3. After spending a considerable amount of time with Contra 4, a game that uses both screens on the DS as a single screen, I admit that I DETEST when the screens are combined in that fashion. Take a game as difficult as Contra 4 due to one hit kills and make it 346934289739 times more frustrating due to the gap between the screens. That said, I'm glad 3DS discourages that. However, after spending some time with 3DS, I think it was extremely short sighted of Nintendo to make the screens different sizes, especially now that Nintendo has flat out said that some games may not even use 3D: pretty much any game that uses the touch screen as the main screen. Those games are still possible but the different sized screens are a little off-putting and I doubt Nintendo saved that much on the smaller touch screen.
4. Still not sure what to make of Nintendo's hard-on for non-conventional aspect ratios. Seems unnecessary. What's wrong with 16:9? Don't want developers to port to Vita and smartphones without a little extra work? Classy, Nintendo.
5. I really like the weight of the 3DS. As much as I liked pretty much everything about the DSi across the board, I felt that it was almost too light if that makes sense. 3DS has a decent heft to it without feeling heavy.
6. The slider is definitely better than the PSP's analog nub thing which I didn't even mind as much as other people. However, it's still no where near as useful/comfortable as a regular analog stick. That's to be expected. I presume the inevitable revision will be an evolution of the Wii U tablet controller's sliders.
7. Speaking of the slider, there should be a right one. Inexcusable.
8. The speakers on the DSi seem to be louder than the ones on 3DS though that may depend on the game.
9. Resident Evil: The Mercenaries has loading screens. What the? I thought that was the benefit of a card based system....
10. If I wanted to get a larger capacity SD card, does anyone know how I transfer everything? Do I just move the files onto my computer's hard drive then move it onto the new card?
11. I prefer the front facing camera where it's located on DSi.
12. Not a fan of the placement of Start/Select/Home. On a related note, I'm not a fan of the bottom screen being raised. I presume that's to prevent accidentally touching the screen, but it's also the reason the 2 screens touch when closed.
13. The battery life is 10 kinds of awful though I don't expect to play it too far away from home that often. It takes way longer than it should to charge. /old complaints
As for games, I haven't played my copy of Ocarina of Time yet, but I've spent some time with Resident Evil. - The game looks damn good. Better than RE4 and pretty close to RE5 though I'm sure the screen size is helping. - I'm still getting used to the controls. Having to equip the knife makes it borderline useless, I pretty much just shoot boxes/barrels now. - They got rid of the bending down to pick up items thing. Good choice. - The action is a little cramped on the screen. I've been blindsided several times because I just can't see who's coming (that's what she...). That rarely happened playing the Mercenaries mode on RE4 and RE5. - The camera is a little janky. I've been using Jill (surprise, surprise) and when she does her melee moves, the camera doesn't reset as quickly and naturally as it did in RE5 (and to a lesser extent RE4 but I don't recall any of the characters jumping at all or as much as Jill). - It's a good game with tons of replay value and so far it seems to have a decent amount of content though I probably could have waited for a price drop. I got it on sale so I don't feel too bad about it. I still expect Revelations to have a less robust Mercenaries mode with locales from that game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on August 09, 2011, 09:13:01 AM
I'm fairly sure Nintendo designed the bottom half and then put the biggest screen the y could fit with the camera and 2 speakers on the top.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on August 09, 2011, 12:08:26 PM
Well with the Walmart price I almost bought one, but instead used that money and bought a new graphic card for my PC.
Title: Flame Red 3DS 9/9/11
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 10, 2011, 04:15:47 AM
Flame Red 3DS On The Way Coming Sept. 9th http://classic.cnbc.com/id/44085598 (http://classic.cnbc.com/id/44085598)
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Nintendo is making sure the holidays are hot this year with a new Flame Red version of its portable Nintendo 3DS(TM) system. The new color launches Sept. 9 alongside the new Star Fox 64(TM) 3D game, and comes on the heels of a new $169.99 suggested retail price, which goes into effect Aug. 12 in the United States. Flame Red joins Cosmo Black and Aqua Blue, so now shoppers have three distinct and fashionable colors to choose from.
"Nintendo 3DS is poised to be on fire for the holidays, with its new suggested retail price, great games and our new Flame Red color," said Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils-Aime. "With major upcoming releases in the Star Fox, Pokemon and Mario series, in addition to downloadable offerings from Nintendo eShop, Nintendo Video and Netflix, the system offers new and fun experiences to owners on a daily basis." On the software side, third-party developers have lined up to deliver great new experiences that make use of the unique features of Nintendo 3DS.
3DS you fancy huh? Price done. Color Done. Everything Did.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on August 24, 2011, 03:41:10 PM
Nintendo set up an AR Card download page where you can get a PDF of an AR image. I guess you can print it as large as you want. If you haven't been able to order the Giant AR Card from Club Nintendo or if you want a bigger AR Card then this is cool. Free is also cool. There's a gallery section that says it's Coming Soon so perhaps we can see AR upgrades or new cards altogether through here. It would be best if Nintendo sent an update to all 3DS systems instead of their newsfeed though. http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/ar-cards
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on August 24, 2011, 10:01:42 PM
That reminds me, I still haven't opened the pack of AR cards that came with the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 24, 2011, 10:08:17 PM
I couldn't get my AR cards to work. No matter what light source I used in my room or where I place them, my 3DS wouldn't read them. I might try outside, but I think it's stupid they won't work in my room (even though I was doing exactly what the instructions said).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on August 24, 2011, 11:01:52 PM
i got my AR cards to work on a flat black surface, although it was a bit wonky, but the effects are cool, i dont think it has lasting value other than to show off the system 3d to friends.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Enner on September 01, 2011, 09:17:36 AM
Nintendo 3DS Conference 2011! http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/conference2011/index.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/conference2011/index.html)
"The game maker Nintendo announced that it will stream its Nintendo 3DS Conference on its website and on the Ustream and Nico Nico Douga services on September 13 at noon in Japan (September 12 at 11:00 p.m. EDT). The conference will announce new products to the press and game industry, and Nintendo will hold it at the Tokyo Big Sight convention center, two days before the start of the Tokyo Game Show at the Makuhari Messe center."
I like watching streams. I wonder what will be revealed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 01, 2011, 09:39:03 AM
I'd be very surprised if Metroid and/or Zelda wasn't revealed. If Nintendo wants to get people's attention, they need to show big games. Majora's Mask 3D is a likely candidate for release next year though a brand new Zelda would certainly help their cause more. Metroid Dread would also generate buzz even if fans lost faith in Sakamoto after Other M. I'd rather see a 2D Metroid with HD sprites on Wii U but for the purposes of this example, a new 2D Metroid for 3DS would be great for the platform. It starts with games, not redesigns or new colors. Those things are great and all, but hardware is only as good as the software it plays.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ejamer on September 01, 2011, 09:58:03 AM
... It starts with games, not redesigns or new colors. Those things are great and all, but hardware is only as good as the software it plays.
Worth repeating. Especially with slow-ish sales and games being delayed/cancelled, announcing more software (and good software instead of just filler) would be the fastest way to help improve the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 01, 2011, 10:06:20 AM
I would much rather see a new Zelda than a MM port. I'm curious as how they'll design the game because the DS way wouldn't work as well since the action wouldn't be on the 3D screen. And a 2D Metroid is a must for the 3DS. We've had a good run with the 3D Metroids, but it's time the series got back to its roots. We already got Mario on there, all that's needed now is a solid release schedule. This will hopefully include more VC games, maybe from other handheld systems.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 01, 2011, 04:13:18 PM
Just because a series started in 2D doesn't mean it needs to be in 2D, I would argue that the Prime games were by far the best in the series and wish they would go back to them (but don't let Sakamoto anywhere near them or he will ruin them).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on September 01, 2011, 04:17:11 PM
Just because a series started in 2D doesn't mean it needs to be in 2D, I would argue that the Prime games were by far the best in the series and wish they would go back to them (but don't let Sakamoto anywhere near them or he will ruin them).
Argue that Metroid Prime and Fusion was the height of the Series and then its gone down ever since.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on September 02, 2011, 07:41:48 PM
Just because a series started in 2D doesn't mean it needs to be in 2D, I would argue that the Prime games were by far the best in the series and wish they would go back to them (but don't let Sakamoto anywhere near them or he will ruin them).
No need to worry, Sakamoto won't touch the Prime series. Shoot, it seems he likes to pretend the trilogy never existed. Just like I prefer to pretend that Other M never happened.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 02, 2011, 09:39:11 PM
Just because a series started in 2D doesn't mean it needs to be in 2D, I would argue that the Prime games were by far the best in the series and wish they would go back to them (but don't let Sakamoto anywhere near them or he will ruin them).
But we can't let 2D gaming die! Besides, the main series has been 2D. It's not like with Mario or Zelda where the main series transitioned to 3D. The Prime series was a spin-off, and while it was great fun, I'm ready to see something they can call "Metroid V."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 02, 2011, 09:43:35 PM
The Prime games were not spin-offs, they were main entries in the series.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on September 02, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
Burn him.
How there can be a side series when the plot is just 'smokin hot bounty hunter goes on an adventure involving Metroids and Space Pirates.'
We all know the next big thing, now that 2D, 3D, and 2D revived have been done to death, is going to be co-op Metroid... whether it makes sense or not.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on September 02, 2011, 10:50:38 PM
Now we need a literal 3D 3D Metroid game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2011, 05:05:48 PM
The Prime games were not spin-offs, they were main entries in the series.
They can't be main entries in if they all take place in between two titles in the main series. The Metroid games are numbered. Fusion was 4 and there has not be a 5.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 04, 2011, 05:09:21 PM
Um, there has never been any indication there are not main entries.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2011, 05:14:03 PM
Except for the fact that they all take place between Metroids 1 and 2 and that the others were infact numbered 1 through 4. Look, can't I just have my 2D Metroids back?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 04, 2011, 05:27:30 PM
But that is your speculation they aren't part of the main series. Not that it matters either way, I like the Prime games better anyways.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 04, 2011, 10:38:42 PM
It's pretty odd that the main series makes almost no mention of the Prime games. The end of Zero Mission seems to be a nod to Meta-Ridley but that's about it and not official by any means. Prime 3 tried to bridge the series with the Aurora units but the numbered series and Other M don't reference Prime 1-3 at all. Maybe it's just me but Samus destroying the ecosystem of an entire planet, decimating an entire species, storming the home world of her sworn enemies and almost dying due to radioactive poisoning seem like important enough events that would most likely come up in later adventures especially when a different doppelganger shows up and starts fucking **** up.
Sakamoto kind of pretends these events didn't happen or that they aren't worth mentioning which is silly and hurts the cohesion of the series. Then again, Other M and Fusion don't make sense in the same timeline even though they're supposed to. According to Nintendo, there's certainly a canon in which all the games belong. It just sucks. Nintendo doesn't care enough to handle it responsibly. That's their prerogative but it's no less shitty for fans trying to piece it all together. I acknowledge the existence of a timeline/canon but I tend to view the games individually for my own enjoyment. They don't have to fit into a nice package for me to find them fun.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 04, 2011, 11:34:27 PM
Metroids 1 through 4 fit in very well together. Samus has to stop the space pirates who are using Metroids to take over the universe or something. Then in 2 she has to kill all of the Metroids because they're dangerous, but saves a baby. In Super, she has to stop the space pirates again because they kidnapped the baby, who then saves her life. Lastly, because Samus killed all the Metroids, their prey starts running loose, fucks her **** up, steals her suit, blah-blah explosions. It's really only when you factor in the spin-offs does **** not make sense. Although, at least Other M added some background to the Adam character who was just so damn important in Fusion.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 04, 2011, 11:36:36 PM
The only spin-offs' are Pinball and Hunters.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 05, 2011, 12:12:18 AM
Other M makes Samus seem like she's suffering from amnesia. The whole Metroid cloning thing is used in both Other M and Fusion. Samus makes no mention of the events in Other M just like she makes no mention of the events of the Prime games. I suppose that's the problem with interquels. However, as mentioned earlier, Nintendo doesn't care enough to handle the timeline responsibly and then you have stuff like Fusion and Other M basically both being Metroid 4.
Anyway, I'm curious how Hunters is a spin-off when the Prime games are somehow not spin-offs. To my understanding, Hunters is officially a part of the Prime series and thus a part of the Metroid mythos. I don't know how you're deciding what is and is not a spin-off. Moreover, I'm not sure why this even matters. As far as Nintendo is concerned, everything counts (possibly even including Pinball which plot-wise is just the first Prime though I need to double check). Sakamoto is in charge of the series and shits all over the Prime games and shrugs his shoulders when things don't make sense.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 05, 2011, 12:18:25 AM
Anyway, I'm curious how Hunters is a spin-off when the Prime games are somehow not spin-offs. To my understanding, Hunters is officially a part of the Prime series and thus a part of the Metroid mythos. I don't know how you're deciding what is and is not a spin-off. Moreover, I'm not sure why this even matters. As far as Nintendo is concerned, everything counts (possibly even including Pinball which plot-wise is just the first Prime though I need to double check). Sakamoto is in charge of the series and shits all over the Prime games and shrugs his shoulders when things don't make sense.
Hunters is a spin-off the same way Halo 3: ODST is not part of the mainline Halo games, even though it's part of the Halo canon.
Sakamoto was in charge of Other M, not the series overall. And his opinion means **** to me since he is not good at what he does. Nintendo needs to realize that the series is better off when his involvement is minimal at best (like the Prime games).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 05, 2011, 12:48:22 AM
Hmm... In that case, I think the point of contention is that the Prime games are not part of the mainline series (since the Prime games do not affect and are not referenced in Metroid 1-4 and Other M), they are spin-offs even though they're part of the Metroid canon. I don't really understand your reasoning. Based on your example, if Hunters is a spin-off, then the entire Prime series is a spin-off.
And Sakamoto has directed every main entry Metroid title since Super Metroid. He's every bit in charge of the Metroid series as say Hideo Kojima is in charge of Metal Gear. Disagree with his direction all you want (I think we all disagree after Other M but that's besides the point), but he's still running the series. Nintendo owns the property and can do what they please, but as long as the higher-ups are letting Sakamoto do what he wants with the series, he's running the show. Otherwise, someone at Nintendo would have backhanded him and demanded he explain why the **** he was curbstomping Samus' character and shoving more symbolism down people's throats than The Great Gatsby. If they thought he was doing a shitty job, I'm sure they'd give him the boot and until that happens, he'll keep making more "Are You There God? It's me, Samus" games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 05, 2011, 01:03:18 AM
How? ODST is a spin-off of 3, so your reasoning says that 3 is a spin-off. Hard for Prime to be referenced in the other games since I-III came out before it. There is no evidence there are spin-offs, and I would not consider them spin-offs at all. They are more in-line than Other M.
Sakamoto did not direct the Prime games, so it's wrong to claim he direct every main entry. He directed the 2D main games, not all of the main games (but I don't think we are gonna agree on this), only Sakamoto thinks they aren't. And after the way Other M was received, I think they will restrict his role in the next game. Other M would have been even worse if Team Ninja hadn't stood up to him and told him how it would have been a terrible idea to do things like make it a on-rails game. Kojima created the Metal Gear series and given full charge of it. He doesn't do stuff that pisses off the fans of the series (he does things that annoy non-fans though).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 05, 2011, 02:27:12 AM
How? ODST is a spin-off of 3, so your reasoning says that 3 is a spin-off.
Your previous post was vague. The way I understood "Halo 3: ODST is not part of the mainline Halo games" is that it's a side game that's part of the canon, but not part of the Halo 1-3 storyline. That's pretty much how I view the Prime games, including Hunters.
For the purposes of this discussion, here's the terminology I'm using: Main Series = Metroid 1-4 and Other M, Prime Series = Prime 1-3, Hunters. I'm not asking you to agree with it, just acknowledge that this is what I mean to avoid confusion.
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Hard for Prime to be referenced in the other games since I-III came out before it. There is no evidence there are spin-offs, and I would not consider them spin-offs at all. They are more in-line than Other M.
Hence, "I suppose that's the problem with interquels." Besides, it's not that hard. It's called planning. However, acknowledging that the Prime series was not planned beforehand, why put it in the same canon? Due to poor planning, the Prime series fucks with established facts. The Prime games could have easily been an independent series and I wish it was so it could be free of the confines of the Main Series. If the Main Series and the Prime series don't reference each other, neither benefits from being in the same canon.
The Prime games are not more in line with Other M because Other M specifically references previous Metroid titles, namely Metroid 2 and 3. The Prime games make no direct plot references to the main series. The Aurora Units are suggestive of a link, but no direct relation is made. Therefore, it's one sided. Other M had a perfect opportunity to bring it full circle and didn't.
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Sakamoto did not direct the Prime games, so it's wrong to claim he direct every main entry.
I don't consider the Prime games to be main entry titles.
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Kojima created the Metal Gear series and given full charge of it. He doesn't do stuff that pisses off the fans of the series (he does things that annoy non-fans though).
Sorry, you're wrong. Example: Raiden in MGS2.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shredder565 on September 05, 2011, 11:03:56 AM
Is there anyway to delete some of the squares when you click on the 'Eshop' link? It's just confusing as hell having to navigate to seven or so screens that have no interest to you just to see the Virtual Console one..
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on September 05, 2011, 08:48:33 PM
[...]and that the others were infact numbered 1 through 4.
Super Metroid III and Metroid Fusion IV?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 05, 2011, 08:54:24 PM
Let the press start screen sit and the intro demo/video (not sure what to call it) play. That's where Metroid III and Metroid IV show up in each game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UncleBob on September 05, 2011, 08:57:49 PM
So you're right!
Well, they say "Metroid 3" and "Metroid 4", but close enough. :D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 05, 2011, 09:09:35 PM
Nintendo should allow Capcom to develope another Zelda handheld title for the 3DS and then let Wayforward remake Metroid 2 in the same manner as Zero Mission and then make a brand new Metroid 3DS title that uses steroscopic 3D for gameplay. This would free up developemnt time for Nintendo to make new IPs for the 3DS and perfect series such as Mario, Smash Brothers and Pikmen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 05, 2011, 09:28:42 PM
Don't waste WayForward remake! I want them to remind Nintendo how to make a real Metroid game. I'll take this game on 3DS or Wii U. Whatever. Just give it to me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 05, 2011, 10:26:46 PM
Don't waste WayForward remake! I want them to remind Nintendo how to make a real Metroid game. I'll take this game on 3DS or Wii U. Whatever. Just give it to me.
Wayforward has proven themselves to be a competent 2D developer and Metroid does well when it is developed by a western developer and everyone seems to want a new 2D Metroid title, so why is this not happening? Also, if Nintendo wants another Metroid Prime title for the Wii U then Gearbox Entertainment would be a nice fit since they are a western developer that specializes in FPS games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 07, 2011, 12:31:49 AM
A Metroid 2 remake would be nice. Something that would add color and make it not feel so cramped. But new games are always better than remakes.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ejamer on September 07, 2011, 09:02:10 AM
A Metroid 2 remake would be nice. Something that would add color and make it not feel so cramped. But new games are always better than remakes.
If there is a Metroid 2 remake, it would probably need to be changed enough that it would feel like a new game anyway. At least, that's the way I felt about Metroid Zero Mission.
I played the original Metroid 2 a few months ago, and it simply doesn't hold up well anymore (despite being pretty amazing on GameBoy when first released). Wasn't there a fan project remaking Metroid 2 a while back? Right, here it is: http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/ (http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/) If the level design was updated to be less linear and the basic gameplay was updated similar to what is shown in that fan project, I'd definitely buy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 07, 2011, 03:34:06 PM
What I had in mind was to allow Wayforward to remake Metroid 2 in a similar manner that they make their download titles as a gesture of good faith towards Metroid fans. Then, if the remake does well then they should make a completely new Metroid side scroller for the 3DS that incorporates graphical and gameplay elements from Fusion, Super Metroid and the good things of Other M.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 07, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
Now that the 3DS is getting dual analog, it should now be possible for the Metroid Prime games to be directly ported to the 3DS because now with dual analog the 3DS has pretty much the same controls as a GC controller so anything that the GC could do the 3DS should also be able to do.
The floodgates are now open not just for Metroid, but for all games. Perhaps Pikmin and Super Mario Sunshine and Zelda Windwaker will appear as well. Now that the dual analog is there, why not?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 07, 2011, 05:21:17 PM
WindWaker 3D would be really nice.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: UltimatePartyBear on September 07, 2011, 05:46:21 PM
Now that the 3DS is getting dual analog, it should now be possible for the Metroid Prime games to be directly ported to the 3DS because now with dual analog the 3DS has pretty much the same controls as a GC controller so anything that the GC could do the 3DS should also be able to do.
The floodgates are now open not just for Metroid, but for all games. Perhaps Pikmin and Super Mario Sunshine and Zelda Windwaker will appear as well. Now that the dual analog is there, why not?
In what way would any of those games require a second analog stick? In Metroid Prime it was a glorified hat switch. Unnecessary when you have a touch screen. Wind Waker and Super Mario Sunshine just used it for camera control. Other Zelda games have proved that Z-targeting is all that's truly required for camera control, and besides, we have a touch screen for such secondary functions. Pikmin used it to shove the whole herd around, which saved time in assigning mass numbers to a task, but wasn't ever truly necessary.
The truth is that even though Nintendo had a second analog stick on the GameCube controller, they never viewed it as a primary input. That's the main reason the c-stick was so terrible. Even Luigi's Mansion, a launch title that used the second analog stick in a remarkably non-Nintendoesque fashion (and thus the exception that proves the rule) included the option not to use it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on September 10, 2011, 12:10:02 PM
Hey guys I qualify but where exactly do I download my free games?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Drizzt on September 10, 2011, 12:40:40 PM
Go onto the eshop click on setting/other, then hit your downloads and redownload the games, you have to repeat this process for every game so it's tedious.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 10, 2011, 12:43:21 PM
1. Go to your eShop 2. Go all the way left till you get to Settings/Other (last option to the left). 3. Inside of Settings/Other, scroll down to and select "Your Downloads" 4. Choose the Ambassador game you wish to download. (unfortunately you can only do one at a time and then it kicks you to the main menu) 5. Rinse, Wash, Repeat till you've downloaded them all.
edit: I see that I was beaten It's ok, my post is numbered
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 10, 2011, 08:43:59 PM
With the 3DS revision Nintendo needs to make the upper screen wider and the bottom screen a capacitive touchscreen similar to the iPhone and have it compatible with DS games and a capacitive stylus. Also, the upper screen needs to have the video quality of the iPhone and the speakers need to be enhanced for better sound quality. Of course the price would rise, but you can not put a price on qulaity.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on September 10, 2011, 10:44:16 PM
Oh yeah, like that'll happen.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 10, 2011, 10:57:38 PM
How would the 3DS Lite benefit from a capacitive touchscreen? Honestly, the current touchscreen is too archaic to coninue in the gaming world, so Nintendo must find a way to better their technology. Also, I find that the kind of games thst the 3DS plays become too uncomfortable over time due to the small screen. Bigger screens also have the added advantage of making DS games look better, and that is always a good thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 10, 2011, 11:08:33 PM
With the 3DS revision Nintendo needs to make the upper screen wider and the bottom screen a capacitive touchscreen similar to the iPhone and have it compatible with DS games and a capacitive stylus. Also, the upper screen needs to have the video quality of the iPhone and the speakers need to be enhanced for better sound quality. Of course the price would rise, but you can not put a price on qulaity.
Yeah you can, and the former $250 price proves that if you price something too high no one will buy it. Nintendo has always been number one in handhelds not by being the most powerful or high tech, but by keeping things simple and affordable. With the 3DS' launch they strayed from how they usually do things and they were punished for it. I don't think Nintendo will want to repeat that mistake anytime soon.
That said, it is reasonable for them to make some modest improvements in regards to screen size and battery life and so on, but they aren't going to go hog wild the way you propose they should.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 11, 2011, 12:33:36 AM
@ Chozo
Right now the 3DS is selling for $169.99, right? Okay, I would be willing to pay an extra $30 if it meant that the 3DS Lite would have improved screens/interfaces, better speaks and improved RAM and storage.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shorty McNostril on September 11, 2011, 04:22:31 AM
Those upgrades you mentioned is pretty much an upgrade to every major component in the system. You would need to upgrade the screens, the speakers, and the internals to drive it all. That isn't a redesign, that is a new system.
Not happening I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: oohhboy on September 11, 2011, 05:18:47 AM
I don't understand the instance for a capacitive touchscreen, I find them inaccurate compared to the current touchscreen and require you to use skin on screen fudging up the screen with prints. Currently you can cleanly use the screen with a finger nail leaving no marks.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on September 11, 2011, 04:44:51 PM
Thanks guys for the download info. I just may beat Zelda II now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: zachs1997 on September 11, 2011, 05:02:49 PM
With the add on will I be able to use my cradle
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on September 11, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
No.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 11, 2011, 06:10:08 PM
Sure you will, simply detach the the slide pad add-on, insert the system in to the cradle a and enjoy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 11, 2011, 06:57:35 PM
the add-on could be the cradle.
MIND_BLOWN
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on September 11, 2011, 07:04:04 PM
But then I'd just be plugging in the cradle.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on September 11, 2011, 07:34:28 PM
Why does it seems a faction want a new generation of hardware to come out already?
Different 3DS games look pretty nice and we haven't even gotten to the phase where any developer are really leveraging the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on September 14, 2011, 04:21:12 PM
Why does it seems a faction want a new generation of hardware to come out already?
? Where are you getting that impression?
A lot of the list goes:
I would like in a new revision:
1. Capacitive Touch Screen 2. More Memory 3. Larger Screens 4. Built in Second Analog 5. Bigger Battery
Then sometimes: 6. Faster Processor 7. Removal of 3D (I've heard this one)
Though no one really says the L2 and R2 which is something else that is coming with the Right Analog. All that be a new system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 14, 2011, 04:42:49 PM
It would be a DSi to a DSL
more mem, larger screen, faster processor, added functionality (cameras, DSiShop)
that's the same thing people want now. more mem, larger screen, faster processor and added functionality (2nd analog w/ extra buttons, maybe inward 3D cameras)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 16, 2011, 09:30:06 PM
Instead of another circle pad for the 3DS Lite, Nintendo should include a touch panel below the buttons on the right side of the console that is similar to the touch panel on back of the Vita. Having two circle pads just seems too overkill for me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 17, 2011, 12:26:58 AM
How would the rear touch panel ever be more useful than a right circle pad? And how would 2 circle pads be overkill? Ow, your words are making my brain hurt.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2011, 02:12:28 AM
Kytim89 IGNORE ME
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 17, 2011, 12:04:06 PM
I wil have to see this second circle pad in action on the 3DS Lite when it is released. This new cradle for the 3DS is just too ugly and desperate for me to except.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
well, they say cradle is very comfortable, like a 360 pad. and not only does it add a second analog stick, but also 2 analog triggers.
So when games start showing up that support it and then next year the Wii U launches and that attachment is necessary to do some multi-player with personal screens, I'm sure you would have changed your tune by then.
And since I'm sure that a main reason this add-on exist is for WIi U compatibility, this likely also means that the WiiUmote will likely be upgraded to include analog triggers now too.
But if you are waiting for a 3DSU, then you will probably be waiting till holiday season 2012 after the release of WiiU and during the holiday push of vita (and it better not show up a minute sooner).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 17, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
If Nintendo is making the 3DS cradle compatible with the Wii U then does this mean that Nintendo has no intention of allowing multiple Umotes to be used simultaneously with the Wii U?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2011, 04:51:09 PM
No. It would mean that Nintendo is allowing us to have options since they plan on us all already having a 3DS on hand.
Instead of me rushing out last minute to buy a 2nd, 3rd or 4th controller, my friends can bring their 3DS to fill in the multi-player needs of the night.
If I already sprung for extra controllers, or my friends also have a WiiU, then they can bring their controller.
Just seems like more options to me.
It just seems like Miyamoto threw out that comment about using a 3DS as an extra uMote, but Nintendo hadn't actually planned on anybody being concerned about more than 1 uMote per system, so now they needed to find a way to create parity between the uMote and the 3DS. It also happen to be very convenient that 3rd parties were probably already asking for a 2nd analog stick, so now they get to knock out 2 birds with 1 stone. 1 rather large stone, but still a pretty cheap stone.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on September 17, 2011, 09:12:15 PM
But then you responded to him twice. (http://i.imgur.com/VUopt.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on September 17, 2011, 09:54:17 PM
Welp come Monday mine is going in for repair.
Today its: Reset my save state on Zelda 2 twice resulting in about 14hours lost Messed up my screen in such a way it had red, green, and blue pixels in individual rows about 3pixels apart across the whole screen. Not come out of sleep. Just was black until I pressed and held the power button and then it came on like it had just woken up. Turn off instead of sleeping on case close. All the lights went dark. and by and far the weirdest one:
My 3DS Blue Screen of Deathed today. I didn't have a camera to take a picture but both screens where a blue and in there upper left corners in white type of what looked to be a Memory address.
So Monday its going to get repaired and when it comes back in a month. I'll probably need to raise cane to get all my stuff back if I hadn't ripped someone a new on if they dare to suggest I pay for the repair.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 17, 2011, 09:59:56 PM
But then you responded to him twice. (http://i.imgur.com/VUopt.png)
What do I need to do to become a better forum person?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2011, 10:32:23 PM
Well there are several Kytims I see.
The most common one ask impossible to answer questions that no one outside of the inner most circle would be able to answer, but he poses them as if someone on this forum or any forum would actually know the answer.
Another common one is the one that out of nowhere makes completely asinine request poorly disguised as legitimate criticisms that should be taken seriously.
and then the one I responded to, which was the one that genuinely wants to know more and therefore ask reasonable questions related to a previous statement or every once in a while states an opinion that is easy to respond to and allows the conversation to continue on topic.
If you see the first 2 I mentioned, then please, just follow his tag. But I respond to the 3rd to encourage it more often over the other two.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on September 17, 2011, 11:15:41 PM
Well, I regret alot of my habits on this forum and wish to rebuild my reputation.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2011, 11:25:56 PM
Can't fault you for that. +1 from me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 17, 2011, 11:46:38 PM
I want to rebuild my reputation too. If someone would kindly applaud me 123 times (more may be necessary to make up for the smitings this request will inevitably provoke) I would greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2011, 11:52:22 PM
I almost smited you for trying to piggy back, but then you made me laugh (comment in the quotations) so I was gonna make up for it by applauding, but they would have evened each other out so I did nothing instead.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 18, 2011, 12:09:50 AM
Since people on here always smite whenever someone complains about smiting what I'm going to do is complain about it in my signature and then every post I make will be a complaint about smiting. Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 18, 2011, 01:14:14 AM
you should also put your applaud/smite score in there so we can see how much it changes over time.
But I'm also running my own +/- experiment in the funhouse (Breast (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=35273.msg697436#msg697436)) incase you didn't see it.
Title: Dragon Quest Monsters 3DS
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 18, 2011, 03:20:32 AM
Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D was just announced at TGS (http://i.imgur.com/W0Ham.jpg)
Best of luck. I had to send my 3DS in for repairs recently - they did a straight replacement and had it back in my hands (with everything unchanged, including friend codes and even virtual console game save states) 3 days later. Hopefully your experience is also painless.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on September 20, 2011, 10:34:17 PM
I hope so. My unit has a little wear around the edges from riding in my pocket for 1 month less then its been out. I figure I'm going to have to have a big argument with someone to not have to pay anything because I haven't abused it just used it a lot.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on September 23, 2011, 10:33:12 AM
I just got off the phone with Nintendo.
Its an issue with Streetpass they said and that to resolve it there going to have to total wipe my 3DS and I'm going to lose all my activity Data and like. They can't seem to get it off. I'm a little impressed because they would have gotten my unit this morning at the earliest. Hopefully it will be back next week.
Stinks about my progress in Gargoyle Quest though...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 01, 2011, 12:12:18 AM
I once again own every 3DS Virtual Console game. There is no better way to accentuate how much of a problem I have than to point out that I bought Golf despite having the incredibly similar yet superior in every way NES Open Tournament Golf from the Ambassador Program.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on October 05, 2011, 01:31:18 AM
Hey, decided to drop in and show off this new video of Brave Default. The game looks amazing in my eyes. It seems to be the perfect mix of old school rpg graphics but updated just right. Anyway, here's the link
I would die if Squareenix used this graphics engine for the inevitable release of a FF6 remake (hopefully on the 3ds)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on October 06, 2011, 12:27:52 AM
The Blue Man Group videos have really grown on me. I've actually laughed out loud at a few of them and now look forward to newer ones. I don't know why I'm confessing this...
Title: Ice White 3DS
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2011, 02:49:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/RjVQtl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RU1f7l.jpg) Nov. 3rd, 2011
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: King of Twitch on October 06, 2011, 03:20:45 AM
only one slide pad :confused; :-X :confused;
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on October 06, 2011, 09:32:54 AM
I think its more telling that the special Monster Hunter white 3DS only has 1 slide pad.
But what is it supposed to "tell" that we didn't already know? That the rumored redesign (which nobody expects to be announced until 2012) isn't coming out in December 2011? That Nintendo considers Monster Hunter a big enough property to bend over backwards for marketing efforts in Japan? Those both seem like known - or at least expected - facts.
Maybe an updated 3DS model with two slide pads will be released next year. Maybe not. In either case, we won't know until first quarter of 2012 at earliest.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on October 06, 2011, 02:13:54 PM
Its an issue with Streetpass they said and that to resolve it there going to have to total wipe my 3DS and I'm going to lose all my activity Data and like. They can't seem to get it off. I'm a little impressed because they would have gotten my unit this morning at the earliest. Hopefully it will be back next week.
Stinks about my progress in Gargoyle Quest though...
That does stink, but atleast they are sorting the problem. Too many companies take too long and CBA to fix problems.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ymeegod on October 27, 2011, 09:40:37 AM
Sales for the first 6 months of launch place the 3DS at 6.6 million which is higher than the DS's first 6 months.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on October 27, 2011, 06:54:13 PM
And the DS had a Christmas, too.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 27, 2011, 09:06:18 PM
The first 6 months of the DS life were significantly worse than the 3DS's life so far in terms of game releases. Depending on how you want to take that, it either means the 3DS outselling it like that isn't a real accomplishment and should be expected, or that it's way too early to make any judgments about the 3DS considering how it's selling better than the best-selling system ever sold at this point in its life.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2011, 11:06:13 PM
According to the Nintendo financial briefing today, the eShop will be accessible from bought he PC and your smart phone, and eventually you will be able to actually purchase games from those devices too. Initially, you have to use the 3DS to take a pic of the QR code which will take you to the corresponding games page in the eShop.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 27, 2011, 11:10:14 PM
Initially, you have to use the 3DS to take a pic of the QR code which will take you to the corresponding games page in the eShop.
The exciting thing to me is that it seems like the best and easiest way to eliminate this step would be to create a centralized account system for the shop.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2011, 11:15:44 PM
baby steps....
pretty soon Nintendo will start taking them. But atleast they are sitting up now.
Here is the briefing: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/111028/index.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/111028/index.html)
p.s. System Update next month that coincides with the PC/Phone eShop access.
Quote from: Briefing
We would like to solve this issue by making the Nintendo eShop accessible via PCs and smartphones as well. At the beginning, you will not be able to directly purchase software from your PC or smartphone. Instead, you will need to take a photo of a QR code at the Nintendo eShop by using the camera of your Nintendo 3DS. The Nintendo 3DS will then open that specific page of the Nintendo eShop. That function is already included in the upcoming system update for the Nintendo 3DS. In the future, we will make it so that you will be able to purchase software by using your PC or smartphone,
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2011, 12:38:23 AM
more from the briefing Q&A http://twitter.com/#!/gibbogame
3DS is the focus this year and profitablilty has been put on the back burner to make sure the system is a #1 success going forward. 1st step is improving the software library internationally.
Nintendo is going to use more outside developers since they can't provide enough software internally. States that 3rd parties/outside devs are better at the networking software than Nintendo (online gaming?) and that they will work hard to prevent any more software gaps now that they are utilizing 3rd parties/outside devs more.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on October 28, 2011, 12:31:28 PM
pretty soon Nintendo will start taking them. But atleast they are sitting up now.
;D
Anyhow, I gather this is good news for most people, but since I won't be buying Wii/3DS games through my PC/phone anytime soon it doesn't mean much for me. More interesting to me is that Nintendo can't handle this in-house. Or am I reading that wrong?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on October 28, 2011, 01:42:20 PM
pretty soon Nintendo will start taking them. But atleast they are sitting up now.
;D
Anyhow, I gather this is good news for most people, but since I won't be buying Wii/3DS games through my PC/phone anytime soon it doesn't mean much for me. More interesting to me is that Nintendo can't handle this in-house. Or am I reading that wrong?
That's not really to to surprising. Console Game programming and Web Programming are almost as far apart as you can get. I mean you could write assembly...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ymeegod on October 28, 2011, 06:25:09 PM
"Super Mario 3D Land got a score of 38/40"
Looks like the 3DS has it's first AAA exclusive title now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 28, 2011, 08:54:14 PM
It's Famitsu, so you probably shouldn't base it just on that. Hell, that means it's two points worse than Nintendogs.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on October 28, 2011, 10:24:45 PM
I thought Famitsu wasn't known for giving out high scores, but I may be thinking of a different publication. Either way, I don't think their review scores are meant to be compared across genres, so they aren't saying that Nintendogs is a better game than everything that gets a lower score.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 28, 2011, 11:12:55 PM
No site worth its salt would approve of its review scores being compared across genres; that was just a facetious remark. I'm just saying, Famitsu isn't always the most reliable source for reviews. I really hope they're right, because I'm really looking forward to the game, but I need more than Famitsu's word.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on October 29, 2011, 03:45:35 PM
pretty soon Nintendo will start taking them. But atleast they are sitting up now.
;D
Anyhow, I gather this is good news for most people, but since I won't be buying Wii/3DS games through my PC/phone anytime soon it doesn't mean much for me. More interesting to me is that Nintendo can't handle this in-house. Or am I reading that wrong?
That's not really to to surprising. Console Game programming and Web Programming are almost as far apart as you can get. I mean you could write assembly...
If you say so (I mean that literally. Programming ain't my thing!). By the same token though, I doubt that the other two console makers are this far behind. Granted, one of those is Microsoft...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on October 31, 2011, 11:56:28 AM
pretty soon Nintendo will start taking them. But atleast they are sitting up now.
;D
Anyhow, I gather this is good news for most people, but since I won't be buying Wii/3DS games through my PC/phone anytime soon it doesn't mean much for me. More interesting to me is that Nintendo can't handle this in-house. Or am I reading that wrong?
That's not really to to surprising. Console Game programming and Web Programming are almost as far apart as you can get. I mean you could write assembly...
If you say so (I mean that literally. Programming ain't my thing!). By the same token though, I doubt that the other two console makers are this far behind. Granted, one of those is Microsoft...
Sony probably doesn't have much in house web talent. MS on the other hand has a lot of in house talent for every facet of the Software industry. (Though Hardware wise is another story.)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ymeegod on October 31, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
Edge has their review up and they gave it an 8 with them gripping about powerups saying one's overused and some has similar effects as others making them worthless.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on November 03, 2011, 12:49:22 PM
There's a thread up on NeoGAF stating that copies of SM3DLand includes at least part of the November OS update.
"- "Join the playing software" button in the bottom screen - Quick scrolling through friend list when long pressing Left or Right (analog or digital) <- Tried by myself - Friends that online will move to the front of queue automatically <- not tried yet as no one online..."
No news yet on whether the messaging or video updates are included in the cart, or if those are coming separately.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 12, 2011, 05:19:48 AM
I now own 20 3DS games, but just came to the realization that only four of them, by my judgment, could be considered original or exclusive. Pilotwings, Steel Diver, Ghost Recon and Skylanders (which I included because the 3DS game is entirely different from the console version). Everything else is either a port, a remake, a compilation, or just something that can be found in the same or incredibly similar form elsewhere. While a lot of those are great games (I'm currently in love with FIFA 12), I can definitely see why the system isn't a must buy for people, at least until Sunday.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on November 14, 2011, 03:11:34 PM
i got SML3D this morning and so far the game is flawless, the gameplay is smooth and fun, the graphics are on par with galaxy games, and te way nintendo employs the 3d effect is the best yet in the system, I'm really happy with the game so far.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on November 14, 2011, 11:17:30 PM
I especially like how the game gives me so many lives and makes me feel like I'm good at videogames.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on November 15, 2011, 12:23:34 AM
I absolutely love this game as well ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: FZeroBoyo on November 15, 2011, 12:38:33 AM
Haven't gotten it yet, but I look forward to it.
Anyway, how about PETA targeting this game for sending the message that it's alright to wear fur? :P:
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on November 15, 2011, 07:39:53 AM
Only if it bursts out of a floating box and grants magical powers.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on November 15, 2011, 09:27:17 AM
Considering how very little translation that was needed in this game. Whatever the team was that decided the Brown leaf was a Tanooki Suit instead of a Raccoon should at the very least not get there raise this year but more appropriate would be demotion. Now that I've made it to the end of the first part of the game it makes no sense.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on November 15, 2011, 12:32:47 PM
I especially like how the game gives me so many lives and makes me feel like I'm good at videogames.
I actually feel the opposite. :( Still, the game isn't supposed to start until the end of World 8, so I'll reserve judgment.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on November 15, 2011, 01:00:16 PM
I just started world 4 and I have 65 lives. I've only replayed maybe 2 or 3 stages to get the last star coin. So far, I haven't really had much trouble.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2011, 01:10:50 PM
I've heard that the game is really easy, but whats this about the game not really starting till after World 8?
what happens after World 8?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on November 15, 2011, 01:59:38 PM
I've heard that the game is really easy, but whats this about the game not really starting till after World 8?
what happens after World 8?
It starts to get harder. Saving the Princess is the Tutorial game. After that you unlike the Special Levels and those don't have the P-Wing or White Raccoon suit. Also there harder and you have to use more tricks to get Star Coins.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 15, 2011, 07:26:40 PM
So it's like the 3D Mario games where the first 60 stars needed to beat the final boss are really easy but the rest of them can get tough? Except I can't just play them all to get a mix like I do in those games and I have to beat all the easy ones before I get to the good ones?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on November 15, 2011, 07:44:12 PM
So it's like the 3D Mario games where the first 60 stars needed to beat the final boss are really easy but the rest of them can get tough? Except I can't just play them all to get a mix like I do in those games and I have to beat all the easy ones before I get to the good ones?
Yes but as long as you have enough Star Coins the hard levels you can skip through.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 15, 2011, 08:12:33 PM
The hard levels are the ones I want to play.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 18, 2011, 12:55:30 AM
I don't think it's an exaggeration or hyperbole in any way to say that Super Mario 3D Land is the greatest game that has ever been made.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on November 18, 2011, 07:32:27 AM
I went to the crazy Times Square event to get SMB3DL and I have no regrets for wading through that sea of madness. I've been wearing a huge cheese grin since I started playing it. At first I was sort of bothered that the boards weren't long enough but the fun factor won me over completely.
In other news, we are nearing the end of November- has there been any word of the 3DS firmware update due out soon?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 18, 2011, 08:49:41 AM
I'm more concerned about my GBA Ambassador games. I've been hoping my regular complaints about the lack of those to the NoA Twitter account would speed up that process, but no luck so far.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on November 18, 2011, 09:44:19 AM
I'm expecting them close to Christmas.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on November 18, 2011, 10:17:49 AM
If I was Nintendo I be giving them to us in February. Simply because December is Christmas buying season and after Christmas is when people have there gift money to buy new games so, I don't want them thinking that they have enough entertainment right now.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 18, 2011, 10:23:06 AM
Except they already said they'll be out before the end of the year.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on November 19, 2011, 01:23:45 AM
It'd make more sense to put them out sooner than later and then offer them up for sale in the Jan/Feb time frame. People with new systems wanting something quick and easy to play will buy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on November 22, 2011, 09:39:05 AM
I read that a spot pass message about the Ambassador GBA games is showing up on people's systems, but I haven't gotten it yet. Also according to a UK commercial the firmware update will be released on the 30th. I'm not sure if that is just the UK or worldwide. I agree with Niickmitch, it would be great to have all of that next week so then by early next year Nintendo can release the NES titles for sale on the E shop. I've had people actually try to buy my ambassador titles off me.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on November 22, 2011, 09:41:34 AM
Curious if they'll just come with the Firmware update.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: FZeroBoyo on November 22, 2011, 10:23:50 PM
Super Mario 3D Land = 3DS Game of the Year.
Maybe until Mario Kart 7 releases, that is...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on November 22, 2011, 10:25:08 PM
I think even Mario Kart Lucky Number Seven is going to fall before the might of 3D Land.
Methinks this is like The Flash vs Superman debate. In "short" sprints The Flash is Faster but in long endurance races Superman will overcome and surpass The Flash.
In other words I don't think Super Mario 3D Land is going to have the Longterm legs of Mario Kart 7. Once the 3DS full life is over we'll see MK7 on top sales wise with SM3DL coming in at a respectable place.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on November 23, 2011, 02:28:52 PM
I don't think The Flash gets as tired as you think he does. He spent a hefty amount of time out running that grim reaper thing that one time.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on November 23, 2011, 02:35:58 PM
I don't think The Flash gets as tired as you think he does. He spent a hefty amount of time out running that grim reaper thing that one time.
Its a supply side thing. The Flash has a very high metabolism to go with his super speed. Which means he needs to refuel much more often then Superman does. Soon its down to logistics. Though that is why "Short" got quoted a bit. We are still talking long runs time wise here.
I'm not familiar with that particular storyline you mention.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on November 23, 2011, 06:10:18 PM
I might be confusing a story from Final Crisis about the Black Racer or something earlier with Black Flash, but I'm pretty sure one of those had Barry running for a particularly long time.
When you said "short" I interpreted it as time wise because the distance would be absurd. I see your point though, Flash would probably get hungry before Superman would.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 25, 2011, 12:24:28 AM
The 3DS has a pathetic battery life. 15 minutes of SSFIV and long enough to get through the first 3 works on ANKlE and the battery was red
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 25, 2011, 12:38:23 AM
I don't have too much trouble with the battery, though I usually play with the 3D off. That makes a pretty huge difference.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 25, 2011, 05:10:43 AM
I couldn't really type earlier since my phone is having screen issues (makes it hard to type and see what I'm typing).
But I had the 3D & the wireless turned off
I had SSFIV running (system closed in idle) while it was charging and I took the 3DS out to wait at Best Buy for Black Friday (complete waste of time... there was a family there ever since 8am on Monday morning). After about maybe 15-30 minutes of SSFIV, I switch it to SM3D land and spend maybe an hour, probably less, beating the 1st 3 worlds (I am on 4-1 now) before the red light starts flashing.
Is something wrong with my 3DS? and no I do not know what my brightness settings were at.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on November 25, 2011, 11:17:56 AM
I couldn't really type earlier since my phone is having screen issues (makes it hard to type and see what I'm typing).
But I had the 3D & the wireless turned off
I had SSFIV running (system closed in idle) while it was charging and I took the 3DS out to wait at Best Buy for Black Friday (complete waste of time... there was a family there ever since 8am on Monday morning). After about maybe 15-30 minutes of SSFIV, I switch it to SM3D land and spend maybe an hour, probably less, beating the 1st 3 worlds (I am on 4-1 now) before the red light starts flashing.
Is something wrong with my 3DS? and no I do not know what my brightness settings were at.
The Brightness setting make a huge difference I found. I got a new unit from Nintendo because my first one was going loopy and I didn't check the setting. I was like why are my Skylander sessions getting interrupted. They had the thing cracked to full Brightness without the Power Saving on... I fixed that and I have substantially more battery life.
I play with Half brightness and Power Saver on and I honestly don't notice much difference from having the thing cranked. Except the much longer batter life.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on November 25, 2011, 11:39:13 AM
I agree, brightness settings and power save makes a HUGE difference for the 3DS. My Brightness level is at 4 with power saving on and I've done a 5 hour marathon of SM3DLand before I got the blinking red light.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 25, 2011, 12:28:36 PM
Turns out my brightness was on 5 and power saver was off.
They really should set it on 3 or 4 brightness with Power Save mode on as the default. I was almost ready to trash the 3DS as a portable after my first time taking it out with an actual game to play on it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on November 25, 2011, 12:30:30 PM
Turns out my brightness was on 5 and power saver was off.
They really should set it on 3 or 4 brightness with Power Save mode on as the default. I was almost ready to trash the 3DS as a portable after my first time taking it out with an actual game to play on it.
Very true.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2011, 01:51:17 AM
I've had Zelda since Wednesday but haven't started it yet because I want to finish Mario, but I haven't been playing that much either as I've been spending all my 3DS time with FIFA 12. That game is easily my favorite third party 3DS game so far, even better than Skylanders (that's not a joke; I happen to agree with Neal's review where he gave it a 9).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on November 28, 2011, 08:35:38 PM
Would any one care for DS games to be sold on the eShop?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ejamer on November 28, 2011, 09:20:53 PM
Would any one care for DS games to be sold on the eShop?
I prefer physical games unless they the digital releases are sold at a much lower price. (Even then, I prefer to wait for the physical games to go on sale most of the time.)
Edit: That said, Plants vs Zombies and Puzzle Quest are being sold on the eShop and are currently on my wishlist. Both are examples of casual games that would benefit from the convenience of not having to carry a cartridge, have extended replay value, and offer enough of a price difference from the respective retail releases. It's likely that I'll download at least one of those games at some point.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2011, 09:23:04 PM
I would love to see out of print or hard to find DS games on the eShop. 999 is a great game, but I know it's been hard to track down lately.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ejamer on November 28, 2011, 09:25:28 PM
I would love to see out of print or hard to find DS games on the eShop. 999 is a great game, but I know it's been hard to track down lately.
(In stock at Amazon.com, and was only $15 over the week of Thanksgiving.)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on November 28, 2011, 09:42:53 PM
I could see Nintendo doing this in order to resell us all of the DS games they made. I prefer digital download becuase it helps clear up space on my shelf.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on November 28, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
I would love to see out of print or hard to find DS games on the eShop. 999 is a great game, but I know it's been hard to track down lately.
(In stock at Amazon.com, and was only $15 over the week of Thanksgiving.)
Oops, fail on my part. I actually recently bought my copy on Amazon a month or so ago. I was pretty sure it was out of stock for some time before that, but there were definitely only a few left (it says that one the site sometimes) when I bought it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ejamer on November 29, 2011, 07:33:52 AM
I would love to see out of print or hard to find DS games on the eShop. 999 is a great game, but I know it's been hard to track down lately.
(In stock at Amazon.com, and was only $15 over the week of Thanksgiving.)
Oops, fail on my part. I actually recently bought my copy on Amazon a month or so ago. I was pretty sure it was out of stock for some time before that, but there were definitely only a few left (it says that one the site sometimes) when I bought it.
Stock for this game does seem to be hit-and-miss. Not sure if it was reprinted or not, but it was really tough to find for a while. More likely than not it will disappear again before too long.
Only pointing out that Amazon has some now in case other readers were looking for the game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mop it up on November 29, 2011, 09:48:02 PM
I'd rather see Nintendo extend the Selects line to DS games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2011, 02:21:12 PM
Nintendo 3DS Dec. Update details:
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1. 3D Video, and 3D Stop Motion animation videos.
2. QR code functionality will be improved
3. Transfer game files between Nintendo 3DS systems
4. New puzzles and extra Find Mii Dungeon
5. eShop will be expanded as well,You'll soon have access to game demos(for both downloadable games and retail games)
6. You'll be able to download software while your system is in Sleep Mode
7. The eShop will also support Download Codes (which will be used primarily for special promotions) and will enable users to save payment information to their system if they so so desire
8. The update will add a new application to your system's Home Menu:"Nintendo Zone" active when you're at a Nintendo 3DS hotspot location.Provides free access to exclusive content,streaming 3D videos(such as game trailers,tv ads) trivia games, and retail promotions
Is the 3DS going to be the new Wii, in that it gets a bunch of PS2 ports?
Don't be silly. It'll also get N64 ports!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on January 31, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
Hey guys I forgot again. How do I download my last free games?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 31, 2012, 07:09:35 PM
Go to the eShop, go all the way to the left and hit "Settings/Other," then tap "Your Downloads." All 10 games should appear in the list. Click "Redownload."
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on February 02, 2012, 05:55:46 PM
Thankily dankily!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on February 05, 2012, 12:48:15 AM
So I went to the eShop to get the update for Sakura Samurai and noticed a couple of titles had updates and none of them are listed in the Update section. They can be found in Settings/Other and in the 'Your Downloads' section. There are updates for Donkey Kong, Double Dragon, Gargoyle's Quest, TwinBee, Urban Champion, Pyramids, The Ambassador Certificate and Sakura Samurai.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on February 05, 2012, 11:04:13 AM
Yeah. I really wish that Update option worked or they were clear regarding what it's suppose to work for if it doesn't work with downloadable games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on February 16, 2012, 11:57:58 AM
Major Japanese newspaper Nekkei claims many projects from developers are being canceled for Vita and moving to 3DS.
Sony say's it's not true.
Edit: Curses! Foiled again!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 16, 2012, 07:26:38 PM
Of course Sony would deny it, I don't think their investors would like the company admitting that developers are already abandoning the system when it just launched.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on February 17, 2012, 01:55:34 AM
That article that Caterkiller posted leads me to believe that Nintendo might very well increase the spces for the 3DS Lite to better accomodate Vita ports.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 17, 2012, 02:01:35 AM
That article that Caterkiller posted leads me to believe that Nintendo might very well increase the spces for the 3DS Lite to better accomodate Vita ports.
Not gonna happen as it would pretty much screw the 15+ million people who own 3DS's. At MOST, you might have a DSi situation where you get like a dozen games that support it. Plus, not really any chance of a 3DS Lite (yes, I know you are talking about a hypothetical revision, regardless of size). Don't expect a revision to have any change in the actual specs of the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Kytim89 on February 17, 2012, 02:10:34 AM
That article that Caterkiller posted leads me to believe that Nintendo might very well increase the spces for the 3DS Lite to better accomodate Vita ports.
Not gonna happen as it would pretty much screw the 15+ million people who own 3DS's. At MOST, you might have a DSi situation where you get like a dozen games that support it. Plus, not really any chance of a 3DS Lite (yes, I know you are talking about a hypothetical revision, regardless of size). Don't expect a revision to have any change in the actual specs of the system.
Sorry, but I was under the impression that the specs could be doubled and when pre-revision 3DS games are played on it they simply use the power of the original 3DS and the post-revison 3DS games would take full advantage of the upgrade. Not being a tech specialist hinders me in debates such as this.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ceric on February 17, 2012, 10:08:36 AM
That article that Caterkiller posted leads me to believe that Nintendo might very well increase the spces for the 3DS Lite to better accomodate Vita ports.
Not gonna happen as it would pretty much screw the 15+ million people who own 3DS's. At MOST, you might have a DSi situation where you get like a dozen games that support it. Plus, not really any chance of a 3DS Lite (yes, I know you are talking about a hypothetical revision, regardless of size). Don't expect a revision to have any change in the actual specs of the system.
Sorry, but I was under the impression that the specs could be doubled and when pre-revision 3DS games are played on it they simply use the power of the original 3DS and the post-revison 3DS games would take full advantage of the upgrade. Not being a tech specialist hinders me in debates such as this.
Yes, that could happen but, Think about Perfect Dark you can technically play it without the N64 Expansion Pak. Having done that I can tell you the game modes offered it wasn't worth it. At that point you might as well just start over from scratch. Developers will develop for the Lowest Common Denominator of a platform because that's how you hit the most people.
Anyways I doubt we see any Vita ports or vice versa much anyway. They are different beasts. 3DS has more in common with the WiiU really. In fact if you really take advantage of what makes the Vita special it be hard to port the games to any system regardless of power.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on February 22, 2012, 04:09:28 PM
-Cool trailer for Mario Power Tennis. For those who didn't see it yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_UaXFT4nIE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P_UaXFT4nIE)
Doesn't look to spectacular, more of the same. That's all I really want from the Gamecube game but with online!
-Iwata asks in Japanese for Kid Icarus. Use google translate and I swear all they talk about is Smash Bros! :)
Still better to wait for the official translation.
Fire Emblem: Awakening http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_xhdVJdxQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_xhdVJdxQ)
I think I will finally own and PLAY a Fire Emblem. I must have had 3 versions and never touched them.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Nemo on February 27, 2012, 12:57:58 PM
I got a SpotPass notification this morning. A new puzzle has been added and I got a free puzzle piece. It was from Kid Icarus: Uprising. Unfortunately, not a pink/purple piece, but oh well. Anyone else get anything good?
EDIT: for those curious, it has 40 pieces total, 8 special pieces.
EDIT 2: I guess Kid Icarus is the only new puzzle in this batch. If the internet is to be believed.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 27, 2012, 06:35:41 PM
That's what I got too (yesterday), Kid Icarus puzzle and a non-purple piece to start it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on February 29, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
AKSYS Games has announced (http://www.aksysgames.com/2012/02/28/zero-escape-virtues-last-reward-announcement/#more-7186) that the sequel to 999 is coming to North America. It's for 3DS (and Vita) and it's called Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward (instead of Good Peple Die). Neato.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on February 29, 2012, 07:01:38 PM
My veins.
Hook it to them.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ymeegod on March 01, 2012, 01:24:31 AM
They showed a trailer but it's some weird Japanese one with a rabbit explaining things to you but it does seem to be very similar to the original with watches with numbers on them and simple puzzling solving action.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on June 06, 2012, 01:20:39 AM
I have not been following the 3DS really and am looking into possibly getting one. What games do I need to get, is everyone enjoying the hardware? Does the battery life cause issues?
Basically is it worth it to buys 3DS now?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: oohhboy on June 06, 2012, 07:09:40 AM
The battery life issue was slightly overblown. If you set it on max brightness and had the radio on all day, yeah, it gets short quick. Games wise, Mario Kart 7 is the one game I can unconditionally recommend. There are other games I can recommend, but I don't know your tastes and there are a number I haven't played.
With the revision on the horizon, it might be worth waiting for some details before buying in.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ejamer on June 06, 2012, 07:31:42 AM
3DS games are still a bit lacking at the moment, but there is some good content out there and more coming in the not-too-distant future. Mario Kart and Super Mario Land 3D are probably the safest recommendations, but my favorite game by far has been the exclusive Resident Evil: Revelations. Others to consider are Street Fighter IV, Kid Icarus Uprising, and the Starfox/Zelda remakes.
The 3DS eShop has a handful of great downloads - in fact there are probably more "must play" games here than at retail. Pushmo, Colors! 3D, Mutant Mudds, Zen Pinball, VVVVVV, and Might Switch Force are all worth owning.
So is it worth buying now? I'm happy with my purchase... but part of that is because I was given 20 Ambassador games and Zelda: Four Swords Anniversary Edition. If you see a system on sale or a second-hand deal locally, I'd say go ahead and buy. Otherwise wait until there is a game you really want to play.
...With the revision on the horizon, it might be worth waiting for some details before buying in.
Has "the revision" been confirmed or is it still just rumor? I've heard whispers that a version with a larger screen is coming eventually, but unless there is an official announcement this week I'm not going to put much faith in that possibility.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 06, 2012, 10:02:03 PM
Wrong thread. Sorry.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: oohhboy on June 06, 2012, 10:19:05 PM
It technically hasn't been confirmed, but with this generation rumours over the last couple of years have been shown to have a surprising rate of accuracy. It's also due with the historical time line. The info is in some other thread.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on June 21, 2012, 05:52:35 PM
Well, with the 3DS finally getting software that appeals to me (Castlevania, Kingdom Hearts, Paper Mario), I bought a "Midnight Indigo" (Purple) 3DS today along with Resident Evil Revelations (+Circle Pad Pro) and a free copy of Pilotwings Resort. Now I have some DS games like Radiant Historia and Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story to catch-up on, as they were released after I got rid of my old DS Lite. As for memory, a local store had the 8 GB SD Cards on sale for $12, so that seemed like a good buy at the moment. I still haven't come close to maxing-out my 8 GB SD card for my Wii, and that thing's stuff with Virtual Console and WiiWare games so I think I'll be fine with GBA and GBC games.
Just to be safe, I'm keeping my 3DS sealed in its box until after tonight's Nintendo Direct. I don't expect a 3DS hardware revision announcement, but it's better to be safe than discover after I've opened it that they've announced a major redesign I'd want instead.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Pixelated Pixies on June 21, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
I bought a "Midnight Indigo" (Purple) 3DS today along with Resident Evil Revelations (+Circle Pad Pro) and a free copy of Pilotwings Resort.
I purchased a Black 3DS at launch, but I'd absolutely love to have a purple one. I just can't justify swapping it though without a revision.
I still haven't played 'Revelaitons' or Pilowings. I haven't managed to find Pilotwings going for an appropriate price, and Revelations is a Resident Evil game, which for me is a deterrent.
I'm really looking forward to Sticker Star though. I was pretty disappointed by SPM, so I'm hopeful that this game does away with it's predessor's bland platformer elements and returns to the series' RPG roots. I love the idea of a platformer mixed with an RPG in concept, but having played SPM I've been soured on the idea.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on June 21, 2012, 08:17:20 PM
I purchased a Black 3DS at launch, but I'd absolutely love to have a purple one. I just can't justify swapping it though without a revision.
For me, it was between the Light Blue and the Purple. Both were Utah Jazz colors, but Purple's my favorite so that's what I went with.
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I'm really looking forward to Sticker Star though. I was pretty disappointed by SPM, so I'm hopeful that this game does away with it's predessor's bland platformer elements and returns to the series' RPG roots. I love the idea of a platformer mixed with an RPG in concept, but having played SPM I've been soured on the idea.
Indeed. That's why I've been wanting to play Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story.
Speaking of which...
Nice: My local GameStop had a Used Copy of M&L: Bowser's Inside Story that still had a case and manual. :)
Nicer: It also had a Club Nintendo Code slip, which was still valid. :D
Even Nicer: The 30 coins from that registration actually brought me over the threshold into Club Nintendo Gold Status. ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on June 21, 2012, 08:20:38 PM
How did you get the CPP? I've been looking for one for months now and no dice.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on June 21, 2012, 08:22:57 PM
How did you get the CPP? I've been looking for one for months now and no dice.
My GameStop had 4-5 of them just hanging on the wall, so I just bought one. :confused;
Same here. Took my sister to the local Gamestop this week and they had plenty. She had been looking at other stores for it. Maybe you don't realize they are Gamestop exclusive?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on June 21, 2012, 10:10:05 PM
...I know this. Not to sound like a jerk or anything, but I'm not an idiot. I've known this since they were announced for the US. I just can't find any.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on June 21, 2012, 10:13:35 PM
...I know this. Not to sound like a jerk or anything, but I'm not an idiot. I've known this since they were announced for the US. I just can't find any.
Have you tried going onto GameStop's website, looking up the CPP, and then using the "PickUp@Store" function to search for stores in your area (based on Zip Code)? That system has its problems (for instance, it currently says there are no Purple 3DSs in my entire state, and I just bought one), but it will give you an idea where to look.
EDIT: In the end, I decided to open my 3DS and get it all set-up, Nintendo Direct be damned. Besides, there was a lot of system set-up stuff I just didn't want to end up doing at 1:00 AM EST. I can't believe how I've jumped from being just shy of Gold Status to being just a hair away from Platinum Status on Club Nintendo (530 coins, with at least 2 3DS & 1 DS post-play survey to come in a week).
As for the 3DS itself, I really don't like the system's OS. For one thing, it's kind of ugly, especially in comparison to the Vita's OS. Also, you can't seem to control the color of the background, and it seems really random when you can get by with just the Dpad & buttons and when you have to break out the stylus (and I hate breaking out the stylus to use on that tiny lower screen). It's also a little annoying that Nintendo is still using blocks to represent file size, as it's hard to gauge just how big downloads are. At least it's pretty simple to use. I look forward to playing some games on this thing as soon as it's done with its initial charge. I have some demos and some retail games to play. :D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 21, 2012, 10:14:26 PM
'Not coming off as a jerk' would be to politely inform us that you were aware of it and move on. All we are trying to do is help you find one. Not everyone knows everything. It could be very easy to miss a small detail.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on June 22, 2012, 12:39:30 AM
I apologize.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 22, 2012, 12:49:42 AM
How did you get the CPP? I've been looking for one for months now and no dice.
I got mine in February. It came in a box with Japanese writing on it. Maybe you've been looking in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on June 22, 2012, 02:13:29 AM
So I put an hour or so into completing the first episode of Resident Evil Revelations, and so far I really like the game. It's the first Resident Evil I've played in quite some time that actually felt like a horror game, rather than an action movie...at least so far. And for all the complaints over the Circle Pad Pro, I think it's fairly comfortable aside from a slight cramp from holding the unit up at an angle to play. It took me about a half hour or so to get used to the Circle Pads, though, but after some heavy camera movement it feels pretty natural.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on July 01, 2012, 03:46:11 PM
Here's something I never would have thought this time last year:
The 3DS has too many games coming out that I want to play.
It's a great problem to have though. Thankfully, I don't feel compelled to buy every game Day One. Although my eShop wishlist is getting alarmingly large...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Evan_B on July 01, 2012, 08:51:29 PM
The eShop is boss. What a great lineup of games.
So with Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion on the horizon, what other Nintendo titles would you like to see? I'd like a Kirby with 3D models, myself- since, you know, it's doubtful they'll ever make a 3D Kirby at this point.
Also, Metroid.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on July 01, 2012, 11:37:15 PM
I would kill for a Zelda utilizing the top down view of LttP. I think the 3d affect would be perfect for that viewpoint. I'd also love an official Pokemon for 3ds, I've avoided the black/white releases so that once the next generation appear on 3ds, it'll be all the much better for me lol.
Oh and Animal Crossing, I've been waiting for this game since it was announced. I've been needing my fix for a LONG time now :/
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 02, 2012, 12:32:30 AM
Why are 3D Classics games so loud compared to other 3DS games? On the opposite end of the spectrum, Virtual Console games are too quiet.
I wish Nintendo would patch the system's OS so we can adjust the max volume.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Evan_B on July 02, 2012, 02:41:10 AM
I would kill for a Zelda utilizing the top down view of LttP. I think the 3d affect would be perfect for that viewpoint. I'd also love an official Pokemon for 3ds, I've avoided the black/white releases so that once the next generation appear on 3ds, it'll be all the much better for me lol.
Oh and Animal Crossing, I've been waiting for this game since it was announced. I've been needing my fix for a LONG time now :/
I'm seriously debating skipping Black and White 2, WAIT NO GAME FREAK HAS ME BY THE BALLS LOL.
But really, I don't see the need to buy another title for a story and additional areas that should have been in the first game. I'd rather wait for Pokemon 3DS to make its appearance. As for Zelda, I'm torn as to whether I'd like a top-down or a truly 3D Zelda experience on the 3DS- we know the graphics can be nice, so why not give us something pretty? Then again, Spirit Tracks/Phantom Hourglass didn't take so long because they WEREN'T hung up on the art style... which makes me sad.
I want a portable Zelda really bad. One with content, please. Spirit Tracks, while being wonderful, had WAY too short of a story.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on July 02, 2012, 08:57:31 PM
I'm a big Fire Emblem fan, so Awakening has my complete and undivided attention. Beyond that, I'd be thrilled to learn there's a new F-Zero coming, although I'd prefer it on a home console.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on July 02, 2012, 11:59:12 PM
When is Fire Emblem actually coming out? I got into the series when it dropped on the Cube and have been hooked since. I love the look of the 3ds release too, that cell shaded look is very nice.
Bringing up F-zero ( a good idea for the 3ds) has me thinking that 1080 and WaveRace would also be sweet on the 3ds. Also, where is my Advanced Wars? Its crazy the sheer options with franchises Nintendo has lol. There are so many games they can put out that I'll have no hesitation with buying day one.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on July 03, 2012, 12:16:59 PM
Considering that the same developer makes Fire Emblem and Advanced Wars I would guess that it will come after Awakening hits us here since they are probably helping with the localization.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Uncle_Optimus on July 05, 2012, 03:13:32 AM
When is Fire Emblem actually coming out? I got into the series when it dropped on the Cube and have been hooked since. I love the look of the 3ds release too, that cell shaded look is very nice.
Bringing up F-zero ( a good idea for the 3ds) has me thinking that 1080 and WaveRace would also be sweet on the 3ds. Also, where is my Advanced Wars? Its crazy the sheer options with franchises Nintendo has lol. There are so many games they can put out that I'll have no hesitation with buying day one.
I have very fond memories of the original WaveRace on 64. Would love it if Nintendo made a 3ds (or HD!) version, even if it was just an enhanced port ala Ocarina and Starfox. It has been quite a while since Blue Storm...I wonder if Nintendo does not believe a new game would provide adequate ROI. But surely they can budget a smaller team and keep the game focused tightly on several key targets: the original's same terrific water physics, 8 quality courses and network multiplayer races...doesnt have to be fancy, just needs to be sublime racing fun. Make it an eShop only release for $20 and sales should be very healthy (but maybe this move would displease retail partners...also it is frankly wishful thinking for such a price point)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on July 05, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
If I had to pick I'd rather have a new Advance Wars game. Not that Fire Emblem isn't good because it is but I like the focus on fewer characters. Sometimes Fire Emblem is just to much.
Finally got to try out the demo for Heroes of Ruin. Now I'm no so sure about the game. It is a dungeon crawler but something about it just isn't clicking with me. I knew what it was going to be like. I watched the videos and read up on it. It is what I was expecting but now that I have gotten to play though I'm not sure I want to go through with the purchase even if Amazon.com is selling for $10 off the normal price.
I guess what it's offering, granted this was a demo, just wasn't enough compared to other action/adventure games I've played on the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: leahsdad on July 06, 2012, 02:27:31 AM
Finally got to try out the demo for Heroes of Ruin. Now I'm no so sure about the game. It is a dungeon crawler but something about it just isn't clicking with me.
I think what wasn't "clicking" was that it was Diablo without a mouse, battlenet, or art direction. That demo was bad. As soon as I turned that off, I deleted that game off my Amazon wishlist. Like, really really fast.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Hey Einstein! on July 06, 2012, 05:24:13 AM
I have very fond memories of the original WaveRace on 64. Would love it if Nintendo made a 3ds (or HD!) version, even if it was just an enhanced port ala Ocarina and Starfox.
I too love both home versions of Wave Race and a portable remake or sequel would be a day 1 purchase for me. Oh please Nintendo, pretty please!
I too would rather play another Advance Wars game then Fire Emblem.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on July 06, 2012, 07:38:44 AM
Finally got to try out the demo for Heroes of Ruin. Now I'm no so sure about the game. It is a dungeon crawler but something about it just isn't clicking with me.
I think what wasn't "clicking" was that it was Diablo without a mouse, battlenet, or art direction. That demo was bad. As soon as I turned that off, I deleted that game off my Amazon wishlist. Like, really really fast.
I wouldn't say it was bad but it certainly wasn't great (or anywhere close to it) and not worth buying I feel when there are other games that are certainly better and are more enjoyable. After sleeping on it everything in the end felt mediocre for the lack of a better word. Looking back I had a feeling it might end up that way but was hoping that wouldn't be the case. Canceled my preorder last night. I can't justify spending money on a game that feels like that.
The lack of mouse control wasn't an issue for me though. I enjoyed Dungeon Siege 3 and that didn't have mouse controls like the previous games in that series.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on July 06, 2012, 10:37:19 AM
Wait, what exactly made the game bad? I liked it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: oohhboy on July 06, 2012, 12:11:43 PM
These two demo (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=38116.0) impressions might be of use to you. To sum up, it's not a bad game, but it is mediocre as hell and is graphically subpar compared to anything else on the 3DS in a way that affects gameplay. If you have no way of playing games like torchlight or D3 or even heaven forbid Dungeon Siege or you absolutely must have a game of this type on a 3DS, sure go ahead, but it lacks serious polish. If this was a $10 e-shop title, it wouldn't be a half bad idea, but $30 retail, no thanks.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ejamer on July 06, 2012, 01:27:09 PM
I also thought the demo felt ok. At least, it met expectations (which weren't very high to begin with).
I'm also assuming that the full game will be slightly more interesting when higher level power-ups and loot start making a difference - although that's a bit of a gamble.
I wouldn't say it was bad but it certainly wasn't ... worth buying I feel when there are other games that are certainly better and are more enjoyable. ...
(Apologies for the cut - but I wanted to focus on this one sentiment.)
Sadly, I don't see 3DS littered with better games. In fact I haven't seen anything on the system more appealing than Heroes of Ruin since Kid Icarus came out - so this mediocre game might earn my money by default just because there aren't any other retail games worth buying right now.
Then again, maybe I'll just save my cash and spend time working on my DS backlog instead. I've got some old Atlus titles just begging to be played, and am finally ready to start Dragon Quest V.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NeoStar9X on July 06, 2012, 02:34:02 PM
I can understand that but I don't want to buy a game just because there is nothing else coming out and it just happens to maybe scratch an itch I have. Many times I've had to stop myself from buying something in order to have a new game just to have one. Each time I stop because I ask myself if I really want that game or the like the idea of buying a new game.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 06, 2012, 09:30:42 PM
I just finished playing the demo and I have to say I liked it. It doesn't look great, but seems solid gameplay-wise. I can see myself spending a lot of time with it.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on July 15, 2012, 12:01:14 AM
Man, if you really want to get Streetpasses, got to one of the Zelda Symphony of the Goddess concerts. Before tonight, I'd never seen another 3DS user in the Wild. At least half the people at the concert tonight had 3DSs and were frantically Streetpassing. I had 154 of the things before the night was out, and managed to get all the pieces I needed to finish 4 puzzles and get all the Streetpass-required pieces to the available puzzles.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Evan_B on July 15, 2012, 08:55:05 PM
Man, if you really want to get Streetpasses, got to one of the Zelda Symphony of the Goddess concerts. Before tonight, I'd never seen another 3DS user in the Wild. At least half the people at the concert tonight had 3DSs and were frantically Streetpassing. I had 154 of the things before the night was out, and managed to get all the pieces I needed to finish 4 puzzles and get all the Streetpass-required pieces to the available puzzles.
Went to a couple of comic cons in my time, I have over 250.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on July 16, 2012, 03:12:46 PM
591 Street Passes for me! I could have easily reached the 1500 mark by now if I had known my 3DS was messed up. Went to 3 conventions before I questioned why I was only getting 2 Street Passes a day while everyone else was getting literally hundreds.
The most I've gotten on a regular day was possibly 3, just walking around the mall and running errands. When the 3DS was first released I really thought Street Pass was a lame addition. Now it's the single greatest aspect of the 3DS to me! I love when people see my Mario Kart times and flip out! I love getting really good weapons from Kid Icarus players who have an average clear rating of 9.0! Not to mention getting hats and puzzle pieces in Find Mii is more addictive then I ever could have imagined.
Does the PSV have such a system?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 16, 2012, 03:15:54 PM
Sorta, it's called "Near" and it seems like even most PSV lovers think it's useless. For one, you have to actively use the feature (wheras StreetPass does it without you even needing the 3DS to be open).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: broodwars on July 16, 2012, 03:26:21 PM
Near is a pretty cool feature when it works, but that's kind of the problem: you can't predict when it will, and I doubt even Sony fully understands how it works. Despite supposedly being GPS-based and despite my having registered my location online, apparently Near thinks I live on the other side of the country in California. So every time I sync with Near, it thinks I've traveled 5,000 miles. :Q
The nice thing about Near, though, is that because it works off your Friends List, you can trade things with your friends online without having to be physically near them. Street Pass requires physical proximity, and apart from that recent Zelda concert I've never seen 3DSs actually in use out in the wild.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 26, 2012, 09:41:33 AM
Yesterday Nintendo released firmware 4.3.0-10U in North America and Europe. It's basically another anti-piracy update. They say it adds "further improvements to overall system stability and other minor adjustments have been made to enhance the user experience", but also warns "After the Nintendo 3DS system is updated, any existing or future unauthorized technical modification of the hardware or software of your Nintendo 3DS system, or the use of an unauthorized device in connection with your system, may render the system permanently unplayable".
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tendoboy1984 on July 26, 2012, 09:43:13 PM
Yesterday Nintendo released firmware 4.3.0-10U in North America and Europe. It's basically another anti-piracy update. They say it adds "further improvements to overall system stability and other minor adjustments have been made to enhance the user experience", but also warns "After the Nintendo 3DS system is updated, any existing or future unauthorized technical modification of the hardware or software of your Nintendo 3DS system, or the use of an unauthorized device in connection with your system, may render the system permanently unplayable".
They give that same message during any minor firmware update.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Enner on August 28, 2012, 06:46:59 AM
It's at 8PM on the 29th of August in Japan. That's about 4 PM PST on the 28th of August, I think? No Wii U news since that's for September. There is some Wii news but I doubt it will be anything substantial. Hopefully whatever 3DS announcements there will be will apply to the rest of the world.
EDIT: 4 AM PDT on the 29th of August. Apologies.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on August 28, 2012, 11:03:33 AM
Alright! I love when they only gives like 5 seconds notice, I waist less time worrying about it. Hope we hear some great things.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Mannypon on September 20, 2012, 02:53:39 PM
I must have this game localized. It looks like the offspring of Animal Crossing and a tradition action rpg. If it doesn't, I'll have to start learning Japanese.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 22, 2012, 06:18:08 PM
So does anyone think Nintendo will ever make a handheld with an HD screen? Look how long it took them to catch up to the HDTV era... :D
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: MegaByte on September 22, 2012, 06:22:26 PM
When it becomes cheap enough.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tendoboy1984 on September 22, 2012, 06:31:35 PM
Cause we all know how much Nintendo loves to save money... ::)
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Hey Einstein! on September 25, 2012, 08:25:51 AM
Surely the next Nintendo hand held has to had an HD screen. Right now the 3DS is the only portable device in my (current gen) collection that doesn't have one. Apple also makes a profit on all their hard ware and they are managing to sell ipod touches with beautiful screens just fine.
Admittedly making statements like "Surely the next Nintendo console must have (insert modern tech feature) because it's already an industry standard" is an exercise in futility.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on October 03, 2012, 02:13:57 AM
How much difference does it make for small HD screens? Is it so much better?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on October 03, 2012, 02:21:30 AM
Yes, oh god yes.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 03, 2012, 08:01:22 AM
How much difference does it make for small HD screens? Is it so much better?
For me, it depends on the game. Resident Evil: Revelaitons is the best looking game I own on 3DS. I don't really notice the resolution and some of the shortcuts Capcom made unless I stop moving entirely and look around. How often do you do that in a game? It's also really dark. In games with a brighter palette like Super Mario 3D Land, I notice more. I don't think 3DS games look bad though I wouldn't have said no to an iPhone-like screen.
Nintendo were planning a larger screen 3DS model so I think they should have minded resolution and pixel density more. When you blow the screen size up 90%, those things are far more noticeable. I really like the 3DS XL and will eventually get one. However, you can definitely see the difference.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: leahsdad on October 03, 2012, 12:34:40 PM
How much difference does it make for small HD screens? Is it so much better?
For me, it depends on the game. Resident Evil: Revelaitons is the best looking game I own on 3DS. I don't really notice the resolution and some of the shortcuts Capcom made unless I stop moving entirely and look around. How often do you do that in a game? It's also really dark. In games with a brighter palette like Super Mario 3D Land, I notice more. I don't think 3DS games look bad though I wouldn't have said no to an iPhone-like screen.
Nintendo were planning a larger screen 3DS model so I think they should have minded resolution and pixel density more. When you blow the screen size up 90%, those things are far more noticeable. I really like the 3DS XL and will eventually get one. However, you can definitely see the difference.
Wholeheartedly agree. Revelations looks awesome (and apparently, is a FAR superior game to the new RE 6, *chuckle*), and looks as HD as they come. The 3D antialiasing has a big hand in that, I bet. There are loads more examples I can think of, like Ace Combat, Rhythm Thief's cutscenes, DOA Dimensions in 2D/60FPS mode, just off the top of my head.
What would look nice in HD is Netflix, which does not look great on the 3DS. It's serviceable, especially if I want to watch SOA while I'm doing the dishes, or something like that. But it would be nice if Netflix looked as good as on my ipod touch. But then again, it would be nice if my Ipod touch wouldn't take 2 full minutes to buffer and drop out after watching anything for more than 10 minutes. Hence why I don't watch Netflix on that piece of junk.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tendoboy1984 on October 05, 2012, 12:01:16 PM
But it would be nice if Netflix looked as good as on my ipod touch. But then again, it would be nice if my Ipod touch wouldn't take 2 full minutes to buffer and drop out after watching anything for more than 10 minutes. Hence why I don't watch Netflix on that piece of junk.
It's not as bad as watching videos on the Wii's Nintendo Channel. What a horrible laggy experience that is.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on October 05, 2012, 05:01:29 PM
But it would be nice if Netflix looked as good as on my ipod touch. But then again, it would be nice if my Ipod touch wouldn't take 2 full minutes to buffer and drop out after watching anything for more than 10 minutes. Hence why I don't watch Netflix on that piece of junk.
It's not as bad as watching videos on the Wii's Nintendo Channel. What a horrible laggy experience that is.
Not for me. Has always worked perfectly. It must suck being you.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on October 05, 2012, 06:24:55 PM
Street date broken! Got my copy of Pokemon Black 2!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on October 05, 2012, 07:58:52 PM
Street date broken! Got my copy of Pokemon Black 2!
WHERE? I must go to this very same, EXACT location.
Sorry I was playing it all afternoon and night. My bro picked it up for me. Early tomorrow I will ask where he got it and let you know. I suppose you are in LA California then?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Sarail on October 06, 2012, 01:22:54 PM
Nope. But I could fly there! :P
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ymeegod on October 20, 2012, 01:33:20 PM
Finally gotten my first Streetpasser (50K steps and two mall visits later), for awhile there I thought my 3ds was broken since I wasn't getting any hits, turns out my area is just plain dead when it comes to mobile gaming--well I wouldn't say dead but most people/even kids seem to be on mobile phones or tablets. :( Doesn't look like I'm going get any "hats" anytime soon.
I'm planning on taking it with me during Black Friday and usually there's a couple of nintendo gamers in line with me. Come to think about it I might do that for the WII U launch as well.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on December 16, 2012, 11:14:28 PM
Is Nintendo planning to I implement Nintendo ID's and Miiverse into the 3DS?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 16, 2012, 11:16:44 PM
I made the mistake of playing a 3DS XL at GameStop tonight. That screen is a MONSTER. And the D-Pad and buttons are better. Now I want one.
You will not regret it. I just got an XL to replace my 3DS.
But I got a stupid Gamestop employee who traded in my normal 3DS as a XL and I got $70 credit, then since I was trading if for a 3DS it got doubled. $140. Then I got the Mario Kart 7 Bundle so I traded my copy of MK7 for $25. Then about another $10 for some accessories for my old 3DS.
Best $25 purchase EVER!
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on December 19, 2012, 12:45:33 PM
And you took advantage of an associate's mistake, and is now going to be written up for that? You're an asshole.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on December 19, 2012, 05:40:50 PM
And you took advantage of an associate's mistake, and is now going to be written up for that? You're an asshole.
It was the stores manager who processed my transaction, I don't feel bad about for once getting a fair value from GameStop. The process of trading things in is so many steps and I only realized it was the XL value when I signing my name and they took my thumbprint for the trade in for Florida records, after the whole transaction was complete in the register.
Suprised their register accepted it with a normal 3DS serial number.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on December 19, 2012, 11:21:07 PM
Their registers would've taken a 360 if you'd have given them one. Sorry about that, I used to work there and I thought you were taking advantage of some poor sap.
Wait, a thumbprint? I never had to do that when I lived there. Is that new?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on December 19, 2012, 11:53:44 PM
Their registers would've taken a 360 if you'd have given them one. Sorry about that, I used to work there and I thought you were taking advantage of some poor sap.
Wait, a thumbprint? I never had to do that when I lived there. Is that new?
Yep, drivers license, thumbprint, and signature.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2012, 01:27:16 AM
How long have you had to do that?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: kraken613 on December 20, 2012, 02:03:12 PM
I made the mistake of playing a 3DS XL at GameStop tonight. That screen is a MONSTER. And the D-Pad and buttons are better. Now I want one.
The holidays are the perfect time to make the switch. Lots of stores have various sales on the 3DS XL, and the original 3DS can be sold for a good price since the system is currently in high demand due to Christmas. You could switch to the XL at very little cost, like I did.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Ozz236 on December 20, 2012, 08:47:20 PM
I can't wait until the Miiverse comes to the 3DS. I see people having fun with it on the Wii U and I'm a bit jealous. Nintendo IDs will also be awesome on the 3DS.
I don't have a Wii U, but with the Miiverse can you request someone be your friend (with them getting a notification) or does the friend system work like the current friend code system?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 20, 2012, 08:50:22 PM
Yes, with the Wii U you can send a friend request through Miiverse and the person will receive a notification that allows them to accept or decline.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on December 20, 2012, 08:55:31 PM
I can't wait until the Miiverse comes to the 3DS. I see people having fun with it on the Wii U and I'm a bit jealous. Nintendo IDs will also be awesome on the 3DS.
I don't have a Wii U, but with the Miiverse can you request someone be your friend (with them getting a notification) or does the friend system work like the current friend code system?
It actually works both ways. You can add someone from the Friends List app and it works like the 3DS where you have to mutually add each other to be friends. Through Miiverse, you can search for a player by name and send them a request (or follow them twitter style) and they will a recieve a notification of the request to accept or deny at their leisure. I think they changed it in the Friends App now that you can send a request there as well. So nothing to complain about there and hopefully when Miiverse comes to 3DS, that will be addressed as well, especially being that the Friends app on WiiU is identical to that on the 3DS.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 28, 2012, 01:07:44 PM
Can anyone who's played Bit.Trip Saga elaborate on the issues with the game? I'm really interested now that it's on the eShop, but have heard things that make me worried. I pretty much always play with 3D off, so if it's just from 3D that's not an issue.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Shaymin on December 28, 2012, 09:33:03 PM
I haven't noticed anything, but I've only really played Runner 1 and keep the 3D off as a matter of course.
I can test it quickly if someone tells me what to look for...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Fatty The Hutt on January 09, 2013, 03:07:14 PM
I haven't had any issues at all with Bit Trip Saga. You have to put up with the control scheme imposed on you but that's about it. And that issue is not different than the Wii versions, but the imposed controls are different, so it comes down to preference.
For example, Bit Trip Beat: - controls on the Wii by tilting the Wiimote, - controls on the 3DS with either the control pad or stylus on the bottom screen. Of the two, I find the stylus easier to control, but neither is "ideal". Then again, neither was the Wiimote tilting.
The games are still good and its nice to have them all portable, all in one place, always on your system and at a very good price. Its worth it just to have Runner alone. The rest is like gravy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on January 18, 2013, 02:57:07 AM
If the laucnch of the 3ds was as bad as i remember it then Nintendo has done a hell of a job in terms of software, cause the coming line up of 3ds games is sick to put it bluntly.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on January 19, 2013, 04:43:49 PM
Yeah, this year is set offer A LOT of high quality games for just about every type of gamer. I just hope they release a black 3DS XL this year.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: alegoicoe on February 14, 2013, 11:24:06 AM
I mean 3ds is just sweeping Japan. Giving the success Nintendo is enjoying in japan I don't get the relations with the same company states side.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Razorkid on February 14, 2013, 12:50:11 PM
I think the difference is: -Japan is a very handheld-centric country -Japanese 3rd parties give huge support to 3DS -Nintendo's output of 3DS software (both retail and digitally) has hit it's stride.
There are next to no western 3rd party support in the west (outside some eShop developers) and handheld gaming is a slower burn business over here in the west where console gaming is still king.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on February 14, 2013, 01:48:56 PM
I think the difference is: -Japan is a very handheld-centric country -Japanese 3rd parties give huge support to 3DS -Nintendo's output of 3DS software (both retail and digitally) has hit it's stride.
There are next to no western 3rd party support in the west (outside some eShop developers) and handheld gaming is a slower burn business over here in the west where console gaming is still king.
Historically though Western developers have not put their big games on handhelds, and the Gameboy/GBA/DS still all did great over here.
I'm inclined to think the big difference this generation is that the West still has not received many, many games that have been out in Japan for a while now, and that the West has consequently undergone a long drought of quality releases.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on February 26, 2013, 01:13:30 PM
Anyone have any ideas about how friends and such might work with the 3DS once Miiverse hits it? Seems like we would be able to bypass the friend code system all together.
Pokemon should launch with the 3DS version of Miiverse.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on February 26, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
Your user name is your friend code.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: pokepal148 on February 26, 2013, 09:08:39 PM
Pokemon should launch with the 3DS version of Miiverse.
That has been rumored, but I'm hoping for implementation well before that.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on March 13, 2013, 02:20:35 AM
Not sure if this was mentioned anywhere but Aonuma announced on Miiverse that the Zelda Oracle games will be launching on the VC by summer. He said some type of password communication between the 2 would stay intact. Never played them, how were they?
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: ejamer on March 13, 2013, 08:39:02 AM
Not sure if this was mentioned anywhere but Aonuma announced on Miiverse that the Zelda Oracle games will be launching on the VC by summer. He said some type of password communication between the 2 would stay intact. Never played them, how were they?
I remember them being quite good, but it was a long time ago so specific memories about the games are hazy. The communication feature wasn't a big deal for me, but did open up some nice additional content if you owned both games. I would strongly consider getting the digital release for these games later this year.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 13, 2013, 11:19:21 PM
I think they are still rated some of the better Zelda games in the series. Definitely some of the top 2D games. I was reading about the 3rd game that was cancelled...it was going to be a remake of the original Zelda. I would love a Remake of the original Zelda with a fleshed out world (no more weird pattern moving screens to get to dungeons and still keep all the style of secrets that game had and open dungeon design. An art style like the SNES game...to still keep a retro-ish feel would be great.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: noname2200 on March 15, 2013, 07:17:38 PM
Not sure if this was mentioned anywhere but Aonuma announced on Miiverse that the Zelda Oracle games will be launching on the VC by summer. He said some type of password communication between the 2 would stay intact. Never played them, how were they?
I thought they were okay. Better than the later handheld games, but inferior to all the 2D Zeldas that came before them.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tendoboy1984 on May 03, 2013, 04:39:53 AM
How much difference does it make for small HD screens? Is it so much better?
Just look at a smartphone or an iPod Touch.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on May 11, 2013, 02:10:30 PM
So I keep getting random Miis in the plaza that are labeled as 'Met through Invite'. What is up with them? And why do they not seem to count towards my street pass totals? Is it a failed street pass that only got partial information before leaving?
And I know a new reason why it is so hard to street pass in America. Kids don't have their systems set up for it. I saw a family in my restaurant I work at playing with it and they either fully turned off the system when they ate or didn't have it set up for wireless communication. I almost went out and talked to them but I didn't want to be the weird creepy adult with a 'Nintendo toy' trying to get the kid's system to communicate with mine. That seems strange as an outsider. I'll bet a lot of well-intending parents who don't understand how it works make sure it is disabled to protect their kids.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on May 12, 2013, 06:21:04 AM
So I keep getting random Miis in the plaza that are labeled as 'Met through Invite'. What is up with them? And why do they not seem to count towards my street pass totals? Is it a failed street pass that only got partial information before leaving?
And I know a new reason why it is so hard to street pass in America. Kids don't have their systems set up for it. I saw a family in my restaurant I work at playing with it and they either fully turned off the system when they ate or didn't have it set up for wireless communication. I almost went out and talked to them but I didn't want to be the weird creepy adult with a 'Nintendo toy' trying to get the kid's system to communicate with mine. That seems strange as an outsider. I'll bet a lot of well-intending parents who don't understand how it works make sure it is disabled to protect their kids.
I have gotten a number of Invitation Only Miis as well. I think it happens because they don't have a Mii set up for Street Pass, but they have a game, like 3D Land and they set up street pass in the game so data passes, but you don't get their Mii. I think that's how it goes, I haven't tested anything, but I've gotten actual game data from them in the past.
I also see lots of people with 3DS out in public. I get a good number of Street Passes on the regular, but from time to time I see someone who has a 3DS and their online is off or whatever. One time I saw a guy around my age, late 20's, playing an XL on an empty train car and I asked him what he was playing- Fire Emblem so we talked about the game and whatnot only to find later that we never Street Passed each other. I think some people might be under the impression that you need to be online to get Street Pass, but it isn't true.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Caterkiller on May 15, 2013, 01:45:32 AM
So I keep getting random Miis in the plaza that are labeled as 'Met through Invite'. What is up with them? And why do they not seem to count towards my street pass totals? Is it a failed street pass that only got partial information before leaving?
And I know a new reason why it is so hard to street pass in America. Kids don't have their systems set up for it. I saw a family in my restaurant I work at playing with it and they either fully turned off the system when they ate or didn't have it set up for wireless communication. I almost went out and talked to them but I didn't want to be the weird creepy adult with a 'Nintendo toy' trying to get the kid's system to communicate with mine. That seems strange as an outsider. I'll bet a lot of well-intending parents who don't understand how it works make sure it is disabled to protect their kids.
I've been in this boat so many times! It really is hard not to be the creepy adult and I never have any kids with me as leverage. I've lost so many street passes to kids who just didn't have their feature turned on.
Oh but the storm is approaching. Indeed it is! When Pokemon hits and kids start sneaking their 3DS to school again Street Pass will be a force to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: pokepal148 on May 15, 2013, 07:44:12 AM
i've already got what seems to be a streetpass community going on in my school that i've been leeching off of,
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: azeke on May 24, 2013, 01:31:44 AM
Apparently new Nintendo Force has info on Renegade Kid's new 3DS platformer Treasurenauts. It looks like inspired by Wario's platformer games with local and download play multiplayer.
My copy of last Nintendo Force was probably lost, post sucks where i live...
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Enner on June 17, 2013, 10:28:15 PM
It took a long time to come, but a new 3DS system update now lets you back-up the save data of downloaded games.
Version 6.0.0-11U available via wireless Internet connection includes the following improvements:
Save Data Backup Feature: Users can now back up save data for downloadable versions of Nintendo 3DS software and most Virtual Console games
Improved system stability and usability: Further improvements to overall system stability and other minor adjustments have been made to enhance the user experience
Also, it looks like there will be DLC for Mii Plaza in the form of four new Streetpass games. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/software/built-in/miiplaza/meikyu/index.html#id=movie006 (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/software/built-in/miiplaza/meikyu/index.html#id=movie006)[/quote]
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 17, 2013, 10:36:33 PM
Guess I wont get those new StreetPass games since I am not paying $5 each for them (MAYBE $5 for all 4).
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 17, 2013, 10:39:37 PM
The video is great, I feel like all the games together are like gateway games to Animal Crossing and Nintendo Land. Especially Nintendo Land. Out of all of them I want the shooter the most, it has a kind of a Wonderful 101 functionality that can get with. I downloaded the update but cannot figure out how to back up any data but I would rather have the games... I hope it isn't a long wait.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Enner on June 17, 2013, 10:45:03 PM
I downloaded the update but cannot figure out how to back up any data.
For every digital game, there is now an left-pointing arrow at the bottom left corner of the touch screen. Touching that will show the option to back up the save data. Also, you can back up the data through the System Settings.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: TheFleece on June 17, 2013, 10:48:19 PM
Thanks, I just figured it out as you replied.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Stratos on June 17, 2013, 11:22:59 PM
I don't think I'd ever pay for StreetPass Plaza stuff.
I know I never will :cool;
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Evan_B on June 17, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
Well, I don't know, guys. I'm definitely about to cap Find Mii stuff, I literally have nothing left to do in that game, so these new titles come as a godsend to me. The mansion one looks especially awesome, as does Streetpass squad. I hope they aren't too expensive, but I can't see them being all that much money.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: nickmitch on June 18, 2013, 09:56:03 PM
Unless Nintendo just keeps doing events like the Best Buy E3 event or the Zelda concerts, I'll probably never finish the panels, let alone have need for new street pass games.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: pokepal148 on June 18, 2013, 10:01:11 PM
no i never really use coins on streetpass so i am good
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Nemo on June 19, 2013, 01:10:59 AM
I've had every hat for months. And I have just about every non-pink puzzle piece.
I really enjoy StreetPass Plaza, so I'm pretty excited about this and more than willing to pay for it. I'd say I've gotten $5 of enjoyment out of both Find Mii and Puzzle Swap. I'd be willing to pay $20 for 4 more similar games. Of course, less cost is nice.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: tendoboy1984 on June 28, 2013, 01:01:15 PM
I guess the 3DS can do background updates now. I just opened my 3DS this morning to find another system update had been downloaded automatically.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: azeke on June 28, 2013, 02:06:35 PM
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 28, 2013, 03:31:20 PM
It's been able to do that for a while. It's one of the ways they initially showed off SpotPass.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: azeke on July 03, 2013, 02:50:59 AM
Latest Nintendo Direct in Japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuGc4UmkeFE).
Denpa Men 3.
And some AR game with this guy: (http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1307/38/ef73ce3afc35t.jpg) (http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1307/38/ef73ce3afc35.jpg) not the Iwata head, the other guy.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: toddra on August 19, 2013, 08:29:11 PM
One quick question, is there a way to play 3DS Games on a TV? I remember having a Wii and a DS and for some reason it seems to me like I could download demos or something on the Wii and transfer those to the DS or am I remembering wrong? Is there a similar feature like that for 3ds?
Also is there any connectivity between the two, I know I am in the minority of a minority but I loved GBA-GC connectivity it was the best underrated feature of the GC.
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: Wah on August 19, 2013, 09:40:29 PM
No toddra to answer your question, and guys TRY a streetpass game (battle!) they are not that bad :@
Title: Re: Nintendo 3DS Discussion
Post by: toddra on August 21, 2013, 08:13:18 PM
It isn't that big a deal anyways, the screen looks big enough to not cause eye strain. That was the main issue I had with GBA until I got a GameBoy player I had a hard time getting into GBA games.
