Beyond Good & Evil
Mega Man 3
And I was just thinking. Would it be possible to -only once in a while- choose a new game coming out soon to go through together that we all agree to pick up at launch? That might be interesting.
Ahahaha, I have Magician Lord on VC. What a pile.
And I was just thinking. Would it be possible to -only once in a while- choose a new game coming out soon to go through together that we all agree to pick up at launch? That might be interesting.
That's a damn good idea.
Maybe we should do The Conduit. ;-)
OK here is one.
Superman 64
I'd love to hear you guys talk about that game!
Hulk: Ultimate Destruction was probably the greatest rental I ever had. Please let it win so I have an excuse to buy it.
Superman 64. All I see reading that title is "pain."
I'm going to retry a nomination for Secret of Mana. It's a great game, especially if you can get at least one other competent player to accompany you. It could also bring up several topics for discussion:
1. What happened (has happened) to the Mana series? SoM seems to be the most celebrated entry of them all. Why haven't any of the newer games garnered as much praise? Are there any great post-SoM game that simply haven't received enough recognition?
2. Could a more straight-forward sequel to SoM be successful now? Would it be a good fit for Wii? If so, how (3D or 2D, online or offline, split-screen or single-screen, etc.)?
3. Are there any games as of late that have carried SoM's torch, so to speak (similar gameplay qualities but in 3D)?
4. SoM does a fine / functional job of handling multiplayer for an ARPG and, aside from extra controllers, doesn't require any additional hardware or peripheral purchases (anymore). SquareEnix's more recent foray into multiplayer ARPGs, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, mostly does - or at least is compromised by such needs. (Except for My Life as a King and the upcoming Crystal Bearers, all of the titles require additional hardware, like multiple DS', to be fully enjoyed. Echoes of Time for Wii has oddly cramped screens and DS graphics so... blah.) Anyway, should SquareEnix favor the SoM model of handling multiplayer ARPGs in the FFCC titles?
(5. Why did SoM's direct sequel, Seiken Densetsu 3, never come out for non-Japanese SNES'?)
I un-second your nomination because I just played Secret of Mana a couple months ago! But it is a great game. ;)
Yeah, it has to be played co-op to really enjoy it. Have you played around with the AI settings, though?
I've never read the manual, and it's been a while since I played it, but I think if you hit Y and go into the right setting on the right level of the menu, you can adjust the defensive / offensive properties of any computer players. It can help a lot.
Nominating Jet Force Gemini
For the next few polls, I plan to focus on one console at a time so that there is no perceived or actual bias towards more popular and/or more recent systems.
The N64 poll is going to be pretty barren considering there are only 15 games on the VC. :)
I have a few NES games in mind which I would nominate, but if we're going by only what's available on the Virtual Console then can somebody give me a list of what's currently on the VC?
N64 is really straddling the line; I myself would have to dig out my system from back home or else buy a used system and whatever game won the vote. It gets to be an expensive or at least highly inconvenient proposition, especially for the four of us who are sort of required to play every RetroActive game. Virtual Console smooths over these problems very well, so maybe we'll save N64 until the selection improves.
I'm still waiting for the superior SNES version of Wario's Woods. ;)Yeah I'm kind of surprised they released the NES version on the VC, though I think it is arguable which one is superior. The NES version has the boss battles mode that the SNES version lacks, so if you prefer that mode over the vs. computer matches then the NES version would be better for you. They also have different music.
Paper Mario vs. Sin & Punishment. What else do you need?
The next console-specific poll will be for TurboGrafx-16 (including CD-ROM games), so send in those suggestions!
Ninja Spirit and Cho Aniki have already had two chances, so I'm not sure whether I'll include them or not.
I think the general consensus is Bonk's Revenge is the best one. Bonk's Adventure is also supposed to be good, too. Bonk III is the weakest of the series, but still not bad.
I think the general consensus is Bonk's Revenge is the best one. Bonk's Adventure is also supposed to be good, too. Bonk III is the weakest of the series, but still not bad.
I think the general consensus is Bonk's Revenge is the best one. Bonk's Adventure is also supposed to be good, too. Bonk III is the weakest of the series, but still not bad.
You forgot Air Zonk and Super Air Zonk: Rockabilly Paradise (which are supposed to take place in the future of the Bonk timeline and Zonk being a descendant of Bonk).
Super Mario RPG would be another good one. I think it is still the best Mario RPG so when you contrast that with Vudu's comments there's either an interesting discussion there or a throwdown of pithy insults. Hopefully it'd be the former.
But DKC3 sucks.
Between Secret of Mana and Zelda II we've we've already done a good deal of RPG-like games. Also, anyone who thinks Mario RPG is better than Mario & Luigi, is stupid. ;D
I'd throw in a nomination for Earthbound, but for whatever reason it's not readily available at the moment.I'd love a RetroActive on that game but it just isn't feasible with how mopping expensive it is.
Personally, I'd like to stay away from the games that EVERYONE has already played.That's kind of difficult though because most of the obscure SNES games aren't on the Vrtual Console.
If Illusion of Gaia was out that would be my number one vote... seeing how that was one of my favorite games as a kid.I never could figure out where to go in that game.
Here are some under the radar suggestions. I'm with vudu on avoiding the universally loved titles like Zelda & Mario.
Breath of Fire II: I always wanted to play this game.
Ogre Battle: Same reason.
I love the Breath of Fire series, but they aren't very interesting compared to something like Super Mario RPG.
Ogre Battle is like Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts for me. I sort of understand why people like it, but I have never been able to play it for more than a few minutes.
I love the Breath of Fire series, but they aren't very interesting compared to something like Super Mario RPG.
Ogre Battle is like Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts for me. I sort of understand why people like it, but I have never been able to play it for more than a few minutes.
Did you ever play the N64 Oger Battle, Jonny? I find that one a lot more intuitive and enjoyable than the SNES one. If it ever makes it to the VC, consider it automatically nominated by me. Unlike Black Queen, Persons of Lordly Caliber actually has a story between missions that is rather interesting.
I tried Ogre Battle 64 once but I didn't get past the tutorial. It was pretty boring.
I've never really been into RPGs, only a few have managed to captivate me and these are usually ones which have something special. I'll probably give Ogre Battle 64 another shot just because it's a Nintendo 64 game, but menu-based battle systems have always bored me. I just dredge through them to get to the good parts of the game.
Commands, menus, what's the difference? You still don't directly control them, you just watch the battle play out and that's boring.
Ogre Battle has too much micro-management for me. Combat success is all about your preparation; tactics matter little, if at all. It's just not for me.
Indeed, but just to add to that there's also the battlefield tactics. It's just as important how you engage an enemy as what you do in them, because if you attack from angles other than the front you also mess with the enemy unit formations to make them dramatically less effective in combat. Likewise, it's very important to know when to press your units forward; when to hold their position; and when to fall back to an occupied city for healing/resurrecting/shopping. It's not for everyone, but just because you can't control your units directly in combat that does not mean that tactics are unimportant and can be ignored.Ogre Battle has too much micro-management for me. Combat success is all about your preparation; tactics matter little, if at all. It's just not for me.
Tactics do matter though. Some units are better suited for fighting other ones. Also, oftentimes you have to tell them to attack a special unit in a company to get anywhere. Like if the leader is the healer and keeps undoing your damage. Also, attacking and swiftly killing a leader causes the enemy company to flee and frees you to deal with other units.
Is that the one on VC? I remember playing one of the Turtle games back in the day and having a blast with it but it was hard. My friend had it and we couldn't beat it together.
Is that the one on VC? I remember playing one of the Turtle games back in the day and having a blast with it but it was hard. My friend had it and we couldn't beat it together.
No, as the unquestionably best Ninja Turtles game it certainly should be on the VC, but instead we have the crappy first game. The only way right now that the RFN crew is going to be able to cover the game is to cover the upcoming Xbox 360/PS3 quasi-3D remake of it.
Is that the one on VC? I remember playing one of the Turtle games back in the day and having a blast with it but it was hard. My friend had it and we couldn't beat it together.
No, as the unquestionably best Ninja Turtles game it certainly should be on the VC, but instead we have the crappy first game. The only way right now that the RFN crew is going to be able to cover the game is to cover the upcoming Xbox 360/PS3 quasi-3D remake of it.
I thought they also said it was coming to Wii? Or was that changed recently?
Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen...please
Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen...please
Pretty please? I already own it so money won't be an issue.
I don't know about anyone else but I'm intrigued by any game which attempts 3D on the Super NES.
I don't think I can back you up on Metroid 2 since I don't support games which are boring.
I'd like to nominate Prince of Persia: Two Thrones / Rival Swords.
I think most of us have played the excellent Sands of Time, but after the horrible sequel, a lot of us skipped out on the third game. It's *almost* as good as the original (from what I hear) so I'd be interested in checking it out.
I'd like to nominate Prince of Persia: Two Thrones / Rival Swords.
I think most of us have played the excellent Sands of Time, but after the horrible sequel, a lot of us skipped out on the third game. It's *almost* as good as the original (from what I hear) so I'd be interested in checking it out.
I'll second that. I loved it. Not as much as the first, but I feel it righted all the wrongs the second one made. And the insta-kills are sweet. I don't think I even scratched the surface of those. Supposedly every standard enemy can be insta-killed if you do it right.
Would that one be on the GC poll, do you think?
Were there cut scenes removed from the GC version? I remember seeing some videos I never saw on the game.
What about the Wii version made it worse (not counting the motion controls)?
I wasn't saying the motion controls were good. I just already knew those were bad and wanted to know what else was bad about it.
I was specifically wondering about the CG scenes because I remember a trailer that showed the Prince finding Farrah unconcious for the first time and asking "Do you remember me?" as he turned into the Dark Prince. Farrah awoke and sprung back drawing he bow and releasing. Then the video cuts back. I never saw that scene in the Wii game.
If I remember correctly, they removed blood from the human enemies when you killed them at the beginning of the game, replacing it with "sand" ala the later enemies in the game...Sounds to me like a reason to get the Wii version.
I wasn't saying the motion controls were good. I just already knew those were bad and wanted to know what else was bad about it.
I was specifically wondering about the CG scenes because I remember a trailer that showed the Prince finding Farrah unconcious for the first time and asking "Do you remember me?" as he turned into the Dark Prince. Farrah awoke and sprung back drawing he bow and releasing. Then the video cuts back. I never saw that scene in the Wii game.
Yeah, I don't remember that cutscene from the GC version. It's probably just a pre-release teaser, just as Warrior Within had a pre-release trailer that showed Farah dead and the Prince ripping her medallion from her neck and facing down a room-full of enemy soldiers.
I wasn't saying the motion controls were good. I just already knew those were bad and wanted to know what else was bad about it.
I was specifically wondering about the CG scenes because I remember a trailer that showed the Prince finding Farrah unconcious for the first time and asking "Do you remember me?" as he turned into the Dark Prince. Farrah awoke and sprung back drawing he bow and releasing. Then the video cuts back. I never saw that scene in the Wii game.
Yeah, I don't remember that cutscene from the GC version. It's probably just a pre-release teaser, just as Warrior Within had a pre-release trailer that showed Farah dead and the Prince ripping her medallion from her neck and facing down a room-full of enemy soldiers.
I remember that one too. I never finished Warrior Within though so I never thought much of it assuming it was a flashback or something.
I've been meaning to try and go through the whole trilogy at some point. Partly to finish WW and also because I like the first and third a lot. But every time I go back to WW I get frustrated and stop. I never could grasp the fight mechanics and would randomly launch myself off of objects and enemies into pits. :P
I'm never going to get to play the RetroActive with suggestions like these. Either I need to open my mind or you all need to get better taste in games. I'm pushing for the latter.
Sounds to me like a reason to get the Wii version.
The whole point of RetroActive is to play games you missed the first time around. This is the perfect opportunity for you to try something you wouldn't otherwise play. Although, if you haven't even played Sands of Time, I'd highly recommend trying that one out ASAP.
@Mop it up
Sands of Time was truly a great game. I really do recommend trying it. Quite beautiful, really.
The whole point of RetroActive is to play games you missed the first time around.I thought the point of the RetroActive was to discuss how classic games impacted the evolution of gaming?
The whole point of RetroActive is to play games you missed the first time around.I thought the point of the RetroActive was to discuss how classic games impacted the evolution of gaming?
I don't think the Prince of Persia games would be my thing with how violent, dark, and difficult they sound.
Even though it largely recoverd in Two Thrones, it didn't fully. It's got a shadow of that past in it. They needed another step up to truly advance from Sands. The 360/PS3 game might have done that, but I haven't played it so I can't comment on it.
I am sad that one didn't come to Wii at all, especially considering the games supposedly sold best on the Cube.
Did it come to PC? I'll probably get it on PC eventually as I do want to try it. Or on one of the HD consoles once I decide and save enough to get one.
Retroactive isn't just for games you missed but revisiting games you may have memories about and seeing if it holds up.
Super Mario RPG - A popular and well-received game... so how come Nintendo's flagship RPG switched to Paper Mario and never went back? What characters did you like/despise?It did. It's called Mario & Luigi.
Super Mario RPG - A popular and well-received game... so how come Nintendo's flagship RPG switched to Paper Mario and never went back? What characters did you like/despise?It did. It's called Mario & Luigi.
I like Super Mario RPG, but I don't know if it's a good pick for RetroActive, if only because I can't think of what to say about it right now.
Last time I checked I didn't vote for either of those games, either.Super Mario RPG - A popular and well-received game... so how come Nintendo's flagship RPG switched to Paper Mario and never went back? What characters did you like/despise?It did. It's called Mario & Luigi.
I like Super Mario RPG, but I don't know if it's a good pick for RetroActive, if only because I can't think of what to say about it right now.
Yeah it does pale in comparison to Ninja Spirit and SGNG when it comes to what you can talk about. ;)
Super Mario RPG - A popular and well-received game... so how come Nintendo's flagship RPG switched to Paper Mario and never went back? What characters did you like/despise?It did. It's called Mario & Luigi.
I like Super Mario RPG, but I don't know if it's a good pick for RetroActive, if only because I can't think of what to say about it right now.
I'm all for Mario RPG being in the SNES poll, though I have no intention of playing it again because...I just finished a playthrough of it a few days ago. ;)
The game has an option for 16:9 TVs with a High-Def textures option (which probably shoots the framerate further into hell, but whatever), with the ability to use 2 N64 controllers at once for a dual-analog system! Wow.Goldeneye has a widescreen option too, as well as a two-controller option. So dual-analogue control for shooters actually began life on the Nintendo 64.
I just think it would be an interesting discussion looking at Perfect Dark (or Goldeneye, for that matter) and how the FPS genre has advanced since then.They haven't really progressed since then. Even the melee attack exists in a form.
Made me wonder what would happen if I left it on for days like that.Nothing. There's a limit to each one of the A.I. level's ability so you'd never see a MeatSim grow to the skill of a DarkSim.
They haven't really progressed since then. Even the melee attack exists in a form.
Yeah Stratos, I want to do WiiWare when the time comes.
Oh sure there are. Everyone knows about the big ones, but great titles like Toki Tori, Target Toss Pro and both of Hudson's FPS games rarely get any love, let alone the amount they deserve. I'd argue that even Swords and Soldiers gets less attention than it should have, since apart from a few "this looks like Castle Crashers!" comments it got at its announcement and release, no one's really paid it much attention. It's a pity too, because it's one of the service's best (in my opinion, of course).Yeah Stratos, I want to do WiiWare when the time comes.
Are there really WiiWare games that people might have overlooked, though? The great and even just-above-mediocre ones (ex: Lost Winds) get plenty of hype when they come out, just because they're such a contrast to the usual trash on the service.
I'm sure GP would agree with me that Jungle Speed should be on the WiiWare poll.
Consider that a nomination for it. I recommended it to a friend of mine and his wife and they simply adore it. A surprisingly quality title.
For the Genesis poll I'm nominating any of the four Sonic games since I have them on the Sonic Mega Collection.
For the Genesis poll I'd like to nominate "Moonwalker". (Well I THINK it is for genesis).A simple GameFAQs search will tell you what you want to know:
I know, and it's ridiculous and despicable.
Isn't Shadow Run a PC game? Or was there an older one on consoles back in the day?
I know it's supposed to be a futuristic D&D. I played the real pen & paper game once upon a time. The DM was a great story teller. One of the few I actually enjoyed playing with. Most just let themselves and their game get bogged down with rules and stuff.
I remember when the Xbox 360 version of Shadowrun was announced, both critics and a lot of gamers were upset that it was not the same type of game as the original was a action-RPG while the 2007 one was a FPS.
I can't believe Sin and Punishment is not on that nomination list! It needs to be on there!
I nominate Killer7 for an upcoming GCN RetroActive. 3 of the 4 of you haven't played it (much) so it's perfect! ;)
I think we've sufficiently covered that Jonny hates the game and I'd rather not sit through two more weeks of how much he hates it, thanks.
Let's see some real lost gems like one of the two Baten Kaitos games
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time (or Two Thrones, my personal favorite of the trilogy)
or Skies of Arcadia Legends.
I think we've sufficiently covered that Jonny hates the game and I'd rather not sit through two more weeks of how much he hates it, thanks.
Jonny hasn't played the game for more than an hour. Greg's never played it and from the lack of any Lindy input I'm willing to guess he hasn't played it either. Only the great Mr. Jones has prior experience with the game. Besides, it would be a good excuse to have Karl on as a guest so he can gush about the game for an hour.Let's see some real lost gems like one of the two Baten Kaitos games
No one wants to play your ****ty games. They didn't want to play them when they came out and they don't want to play them now.
LOL...At least mine got good review scores and could be legitimately called "good games".
I nominate Killer7 for an upcoming GCN RetroActive. 3 of the 4 of you haven't played it (much) so it's perfect! ;)
If we're going to have a GC retroactive I'll nominate Gotcha Force.
Please tell me you're kidding. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=29371.0)
What about the two Lost Kingdom games on Gamecube, since we are talking about the GC poll (not sure why, isn't N64 next in line?). I recall those got a fair amount of praise but both ended up being overlooked sleepers.
I'd like to do N64, but it's in the nether zone between being readily available in physical terms and having a critical mass on Virtual Console.
I'd like to do N64, but it's in the nether zone between being readily available in physical terms and having a critical mass on Virtual Console.
Just force everyone to play Paper Mario. ;D
Yeah, I'd love to see an Game Boy / Game Boy Color retroactive....
My vote would be to lump GB and GBC together and give GBA a separate poll.
I would hate MM to win. To me that is easily the worst 3D Zelda and maybe the worst non-CDi Zelda.
It's the black sheep of the series--most people either think it's one of the best or one of the worst.
Well, the first (and major reason) is that the time-traveling mechanic sucks. I don't understand how anyone could consider it one of the better Zelda games. A weak story hurts the game even more.What? The intricate scripting and backstories give MM an excellent and unique storytelling style the leverages the time travel mechanic very well.
Well, the first (and major reason) is that the time-traveling mechanic sucks.Agreed. I simply hated that the game couldn't be saved at any point, that there was a time limit, and that you lost a lot of stuff when saving. That pretty much ruined the game for me.
Well, the first (and major reason) is that the time-traveling mechanic sucks.Agreed. I simply hated that the game couldn't be saved at any point, that there was a time limit, and that you lost a lot of stuff when saving. That pretty much ruined the game for me.
Actually, this would be a good time to ask everyone for ideas on how to proceed with RetroActive. We've done a series of platform-specific polls now. We may eventually do that again with N64, Master System, etc. if and when it makes sense, but I want to take a different direction for now. My first thought is having genre-based polls (RPGs excluded for the time being). So we could put together 2D platformers, shoot-em-ups, maybe racing games... what do you think makes sense? Where should we start, and what games would you nominate in a particular genre.
In light of the fact that Jon and Greg have never played Sands of Time I must insist that the game is given a shot in the next GCN Retroactive poll.I can't remember who it was offhand, but at least one member of the Newscast crew hasn't played Sands of Time either. The game is no longer eligible for a poll--it's now an official Retroactive game. You just need to pick a time. You need to force these people to play the game. No ifs, ands or buts. ;D
Not a bad idea, vudu. I don't know if we'll have any GameCube games in the near future -- we've already done three of them, and then tend to be a little more expensive and less convenient than some other options. Still, I'm sure we'll get back to the system eventually, and Sands of Time would be a perfect candidate.
I've had enough of playing games that everyone has already played before. Fusion is borderline in that regard.Fair enough. I skipped the GBA years almost entirely, until I bought a DS Fat. So most of it is new to me, with some notable exceptions. I had avoided playing Fusion because I had been under the impression that it wasn't that popular.
With Ogre Battle 64 hitting the VC today (supposedly), let me be the first to officially nominate it for RetroActive. (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
Allow me to be the first to vote against it. :D
Allow me to be the first to vote against it. :D
I'll be the second.
The handheld RA poll is coming up very soon -- PAX was a hell of a distraction, but it gave me an idea for a very cool addition to this poll.
The handheld RA poll is coming up very soon -- PAX was a hell of a distraction, but it gave me an idea for a very cool addition to this poll.
How about one of the Golden Sun games for the GBA? With the DS game coming out soon this would be a good way to inform new fans of who never played the game to actually play it so that they familiarize themselves for the next game.
Or you could do Final Fantasy Tactices Advance.
And I was just thinking. Would it be possible to -only once in a while- choose a new game coming out soon to go through together that we all agree to pick up at launch? That might be interesting.
That's a damn good idea.
Now that you've told us the next RetroActive will be on DS games,
Did they say that during a RFN podcast? I haven't listened in a few weeks and they did not mention that on the forums.
Also, what is that last game you want to nominate? No such game exists. The two DS Advance Wars games are Advance Wars: Dual Strike and Advance Wars: Days of Ruin. Actually, I just checked ad apparently DOR was called this in PAL regions (who knows why).
If the DS game thing is real, I'm nominating Kirby's Canvas Curse.
UB, I respect your opinion, but I hope this is some sort of perverse joke. Squeak Squad has horrible level design, crummy music, and lazy visuals. Canvas Curse isn't a "normal" Kirby game, so I can understand your distaste, but it's a far better game....If the DS game thing is real, I'm nominating Kirby's Canvas Curse.
You know, I didn't care much for Canvas Curse, but I recently (finally) picked up Squeak Squad... good game, so far.
I'm nominating New Super Mario Brothers. What impact did it have? How does it compare to other Mario platformers? How much better is the Wii version?Considering I play NSMB virtually every day (at least three times a week, unless a certain co-worker is on vacation). I'd have trouble putting this game in RetroActive.
Considering I play NSMB virtually every day (at least three times a week, unless a certain co-worker is on vacation). I'd have trouble putting this game in RetroActive.I know, I imagine a lot of people have played it recently. Since I don't own a DS, I have to stick with the three games I've played, and New Super Mario Brothers likely has a better shot than Super Mario 64 DS and Mario Hoops 3-On-3.
Assuming they do intend to go through with DS, I will stick with the spirit of RetroActive and nominate only early DS games:
Advance Wars: Dual Strike, Kirby Canvas Curse, Mario Kart DS, Nintendogs, Super Mario 64 DS
As long as it's not another RPG, I'm not terribly concerned what wins the poll next time. Mother 3 is the fourth role-playing game on RetroActive, so I'd rather there were no more, at least for a little while.
The last poll shows that the people don't know what's good for them. :)
Nintendo lost a legal battle with Galoob when they claimed it was illegal to modify game code without their permission. If you import a cartridge of the game and rip that cartridge to your hard drive yourself, and then apply the patch, that's legal. Like I said, I'm pretty sure no one did that for this feature, but the option is there.
a party who distributes a copyrighted work cannot dictate how that work is to be enjoyed
So uh... got any nominations? I think we're set for the eventual N64 round,May I ask which nominations are going to appear in the N64 poll?
[In this in-depth interview, Gamasutra talks to Mother 3 fan-translator Clyde 'Tomato' Mandelin on working on the unofficial translation of the Nintendo classic, his day job in translation, and his localization heroes.]
"We know what we're doing isn't 100% legal. But even so, we try our best not to step on companies' toes. In fact, I've received a number of e-mails in the past from professionals inside major game companies giving their thanks, offering to buy me drinks sometime, stuff like that. What we do is appreciated, but in a hidden way, I think."
So uh... got any nominations? I think we're set for the eventual N64 round, but DS is still wide open. I'm hoping for some esoteric variety and yes, depending on the schedule, I may avoid RPGs or other very long, story-based games. They have proven difficult to work with in this format.
That's my tuppence.
- Soul Bubbles (a brief but really unique and well constructed puzzle game, though I don't know if it will be easy to find)
- Donkey Kong Jungle Climber (a more enjoyable take on the King of Swing formula)
- Dementium: The Ward (haven't played it, but I wouldn't mind seeing how a first-person survival horror works on DS)
- Advance Wars: Dark Conflict (not played this either, though I've heard this could be the best in the Wars franchise)
I've already suggested Ogre Battle 64, and that recommendation hasn't changed. I'd also find discussion on Conker's Bad Fur Day; Jet Force Gemini and Donkey Kong 64 interesting, but those aren't up on the VC.
I've already suggested Ogre Battle 64, and that recommendation hasn't changed. I'd also find discussion on Conker's Bad Fur Day; Jet Force Gemini and Donkey Kong 64 interesting, but those aren't up on the VC.
Go get an N64 and these games and play them, Broodwars.
So what system are we doing next?
I don't think availability has anything to do with the ideals of RetroActive. The discussions are supposed to be about the games themselves, not how difficult they are to obtain.
I have to agree with vudu here, if a game is difficult to get then not many people will even be able to discuss it.I'm the one who said that.
Conker's Bad Fur Day or Turtles in Time.
Is there a list of games you guys have already done somewhere? Has Super Metroid already been done?
How about a second-tier platformer theme? Non-mario, dk or sonic. (rayman game, spyro/crash, billy hatcher, billy hatcher,...)I like this idea. Rayman 2 is a fantastic game, and all I can ever remember hearing about it on the podcast is pure vitriol from James at the lazy ports. They may be lazy, but it's a damn good game and with all the ports it's relatively easy to get hold of, despite not being on the VC.
How about a second-tier platformer theme? Non-mario, dk or sonic. (rayman game, spyro/crash, billy hatcher, billy hatcher,...)I like this idea. Rayman 2 is a fantastic game, and all I can ever remember hearing about it on the podcast is pure vitriol from James at the lazy ports. They may be lazy, but it's a damn good game and with all the ports it's relatively easy to get hold of, despite not being on the VC.
Resident Evil 4.
Pokemon Gold and Silver for Gameboy Colour!
Starfox Adventures would be...Interesting.
Starfox Adventures would be...Interesting.
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Starfox Adventures would be...Interesting.
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Yes, I am the one person on earth who likes that damn game.
I nominate Resident Evil Zero.
Think back to my experience with this series? To tell you the truth I just started this series recently( I know that sounds ridiculous with how popular the franchise is) and I've started with zero(No,I didn't nominate it because I'm playing it)QuoteI nominate Resident Evil Zero.
I nominate that we never, ever choose Resident Evil 0.
I played this game, okay. There are no inventory chests! Seriously, think about that for a second, think about your experiences with this series, and what it means when there are no inventory chests whatsoever.
Yes, exactly that messed up.
Think back to my experience with this series? To tell you the truth I just started this series recently( I know that sounds ridiculous with how popular the franchise is) and I've started with zero(No,I didn't nominate it because I'm playing it)QuoteI nominate Resident Evil Zero.
I nominate that we never, ever choose Resident Evil 0.
I played this game, okay. There are no inventory chests! Seriously, think about that for a second, think about your experiences with this series, and what it means when there are no inventory chests whatsoever.
Yes, exactly that messed up.
I can't sell it because it's my older brothers property(he got the good and evil pack a long time ago).It's too late to stop playing because I beat it yesterday.I'm about to move on to the first resident evil so I should see all the design flaws you've pointed out in zero.though I confess the controls are crappy in the old games they really don't bother me too much.I mean pulling out your gun points you at enemies automatically.The worst experience I have is running into a wall from time to time.Think back to my experience with this series? To tell you the truth I just started this series recently( I know that sounds ridiculous with how popular the franchise is) and I've started with zero(No,I didn't nominate it because I'm playing it)QuoteI nominate Resident Evil Zero.
I nominate that we never, ever choose Resident Evil 0.
I played this game, okay. There are no inventory chests! Seriously, think about that for a second, think about your experiences with this series, and what it means when there are no inventory chests whatsoever.
Yes, exactly that messed up.
Okay...in your best interests, I would tell you to stop playing this game, sell it back to gamestop or whatever. If you've never played a Resident Evil game ever, it won't seem that bad. If you have, you will want to kill someone. Someone not a zombie. Someone responsible for designing that game.
A lot of people tend to crap on the pre-RE4 games, and a lot of that criticism is deserved, but they're not horrible games. They're okay games, with eye-candy cutscenes and horrible controls.
Yo guys, there is a lot great stuff here, but I am kind of dissapointed with the lack of portable games on list :( . Since Most of you guys haven't played the first Fire Emblem, I think that might a good one to consider for a Retro Active Discussion. Perhaps you guys should theme this one around solid portable titles, or possibly some missed DS games that not a lot people picked up like Radient Historia or something along the lines of that. I would love to join this Retro Active (would be my first one), but between work and school, unless it's going to be one a Portable, I don't think I will have time to join, especially if it's something like Wind Waker or one of the longer RPGs. I know it's a personal mater and it really doesn't play a facter in your choices, but I would like to hear your thoughs on a exclusive and unique portable game other then Mother 3.
The problem with RE0 in my experience was that it wasn't scary at all. The design and mechanics are almost identical to the other games in the series, it just lacks any tension whatsoever. The remake of the first game, on the other hand, is TOO scary, so bad that I couldn't get through it. Playing RE2 on the PS1 currently is a good compromise.
Since 2012 will be the year of Resident Evil, I nominate Resident Evil 4.I nominate Zombies Ate My Neighbors in the same spirit. I think its on VC and I've only heard about it.
Since 2012 will be the year of Resident Evil, I nominate Resident Evil 4.I nominate Zombies Ate My Neighbors in the same spirit. I think its on VC and I've only heard about it.
Nominating CUSTOM ROBO. i really think this is an extremely underrating/overseen game.I agree with this fella. Custom Robo or bust. Really fun multiplayer -- especially with four players. Can get very intense.
Cho Aniki was nominated before and lost, then lost again in a second chance poll (featuring previous games that had lost). Not sure it would get nominated again.
I have Lost Kingdoms 2 and if LK 1 is anything like it, I can't recommend it. The concept is cool, but the execution has much to be desired. The randomness of the cards and having to rely on an inadequate AI to fight for you was just a disaster.
If it's not restricted to Nintendo platforms then Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards and Prince of Persia are neat too.
Doesn't the game have to be readily available?
Where did you import it from, Europe?
I can't IMAGINE trying to play that game without understanding what its saying.
Edit: WAIT!? THAT GAME GOES FOR $75!? HOLY HELL!
A week ago, someone was selling a copy (cartridge only) on Amazon for $24 or so. I wish I had jumped on the deal. That's the cheapest price I've found so far.Where did you import it from, Europe?
I can't IMAGINE trying to play that game without understanding what its saying.
Edit: WAIT!? THAT GAME GOES FOR $75!? HOLY HELL!
Yes, imported from Europe. Totally agree about language considerations.
Yes, the going rate for Infinite Space in North America is RIDICULOUS. It was almost enough for me to try importing multiple copies with hopes of selling for a profit... but I doubt demand is high enough, and anyone willing to buy a European copy could probably find an online importer just as easily as I did.
Fluidity is available through Club Nintendo again until Aug 19th. Seems like a great time to do a Retroactive on the game, since some people could get it without any actual cash outlay.
Secondly, wouldn't the conversation basically amount to 'that game is great'? You could talk about how the physics are great, how great the level designs are, how great the powers are etc. I defy anyone to argue that Hydroadventure was not a great game. The best retroactive episodes for me, however, tend to be about more divisive games.
Secondly, wouldn't the conversation basically amount to 'that game is great'? You could talk about how the physics are great, how great the level designs are, how great the powers are etc. I defy anyone to argue that Hydroadventure was not a great game. The best retroactive episodes for me, however, tend to be about more divisive games.
I actually didn't like it that much
.......awwwwkward....>_>
Secondly, wouldn't the conversation basically amount to 'that game is great'? You could talk about how the physics are great, how great the level designs are, how great the powers are etc. I defy anyone to argue that Hydroadventure was not a great game. The best retroactive episodes for me, however, tend to be about more divisive games.
I actually didn't like it that much
*Record screeches to a stop*
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*Everyone in the room looks at you*
Resident Evil 4.
I would like to nominate Disaster: Day of Crisis for the Wii. Yes, seriously.Yes! Seconded. Now that my transfer to Wii U has been successful, I am meaning to mod the Wii for import play.
I would like to nominate Disaster: Day of Crisis for the Wii. Yes, seriously.
I would like to nominate Disaster: Day of Crisis for the Wii. Yes, seriously.
I think James talked enough about this game...I seconded this nomination.
I said this when Mother 3 was nominated and will say it again, I don't think games should be picked if they can't be legally played without jumping through hoops (i.e. having to import the game and mod your system).
HOWEVER, we've had ****ing Ambassador games on Retroactive before, games I couldn't have played if I wanted to because I didn't buy a 3DS at launch. So if those are fair game, so are import games in my opinion.
HOWEVER, we've had ****ing Ambassador games on Retroactive before, games I couldn't have played if I wanted to because I didn't buy a 3DS at launch. So if those are fair game, so are import games in my opinion.
My understanding was that ambassador games were fair game because they're relatively cheap and easy to obtain on GBA.
Dynamite Headdy (episode 131)
Luigi's Mansion (133/134)
Eternal Darkness (137)
Secret of Mana (140/141)
Super Ghouls and Ghosts (144/145)
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (148/149)
Ninja Spirit (153)
Super Mario World (158/159)
Geist (163/165)
Shining Force (169)
Super Mario RPG (184)
Metroid II: Return of Samus (193)
Mother 3 (203/205)
Yoshi's Story (215)
The World Ends With You (221/224)
Ogre Battle 64 (230/232)
Legend of the Mystical Ninja (239)
Perfect Dark (245/248)
Killer 7 (256)
River City Ransom (266)
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones (278)
MotoHeroz (289)
Wario Land 4 (303)
Kirby and the Amazing Mirror (309)
I guess now would be an appropriate time to suggest Earthbound as a retoractive nomination.
Zelda Oracle games!
I guess now would be an appropriate time to suggest Earthbound as a retoractive nomination.
I'd definitely champion that when the game actually releases on the Wii U VC, but until it does it's not worth nominating.
Not sure if this is even relevant anymore.
But with Bravely Default coming out in NA I thought it would be a good time to do a RetroActive on Final Fantasy: 4 Heroes of Light, maybe after everyone has played Bravely Default since there are some comparisons to be drawn between the two games, although 4 Heroes is pretty crazy in its own right. As far as I'm aware only James has played it. At least I can only find one episode of him talking about it from 2010 (before my time).
It's pretty easy to find, I got it for like 20 bucks on eBay new, I'm sure you can find cheap used copies too.
and for the same reason: you have to mod your console/handheld to run it if you live in NAum, no...?
and for the same reason: you have to mod your console/handheld to run it if you live in NAum, no...?
Zelda Oracle games!!!!
I'm going to throw in a few ideas rumbling in my head lately:
Mega Man 10
Zombi U
Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap
Metroid Fusion
Pilotwings Resort
Resident Evil (GC or HD remake)
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* Breath of Fire (haha! planing on GBA Micro now, and it's old-school awesome)
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We've done non-Nintendo games before, but only those that were ported over or released on Virtual Console. I'm playing Suikoden now (first time) but wouldn't consider anything like that for RetroActive.
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* Fluidity (Wii)
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Breath of Fire it is. Glad we all agreed so quickly and dispensed with the need for a vote.
Trying to remember if you did BWii or the original Battalion Wars.
Trying to remember if you did BWii or the original Battalion Wars.
I don't think they ever did either Battalion Wars games, and honestly I'd be in favor of these as well. It's a pity there's no easy way to get ahold of copies of either game these days.
Apparently they put the Retroactive Poll up outside of the forums. Find it here (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TLR3D22)Thanks for the tip
let's just get Pokemon Black and White on here and be done with it.I second this. Those games are very distinct from others in the series, in my opinion, and they're worse for it. But I can appreciate what they tried to do differently.
Within the confines of that series those games are bizzare.
Has Kid Icarus Uprising been nominated? Because it should be.Please no! The flying parts of that game rock, but the on ground chunks are completely intolerable
