Community Forums => NWR Mafia Games => Topic started by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 12:40:21 AM
Title: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread & MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 12:40:21 AM
Rarity(Khushrenada) even though she was so unlike her generous self and much like her greedy and selfish discorded self she was greedy for Discord (Oblivion's) head for what he did to her. So like a rockslides of Tom's the votes kept on coming on from the remaining ponies in the the desert. Pinkie Pie (Silenced) threw out a vote but it was a prank vote much expected from the Pink party pony. Big McIntosh (Nickmitch) being the quiet and strong and long standing pony in the world of Equestria and in forum games knew he had to stand strong and get out Discord.
Discord maybe possibly being confused by his own chaos magic or maybe he figured that he had lost and it was over voted for himself. He wasn't to sure to be honest.
AppleJack (Mop it up) just stood back and was in shock at was happening that she didn't vote.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 12:40:46 AM
Oblivion was voted out. Oblivion was Discord. As per the rules. If the GF is voted out he doesn't get a hit for the night. He attempted to kill Khushrenada who was Rarity and who was Discorded. He attempted to discorded Super and Silenced. SUPER was a normal pony and Silenced was Pinkie Pie. The discord on Super wasn't effective because townies can't be discorded. Silenced was protected from the discord because of the Invisible Ink.
Apple Jack was Mop it up. Even if Silenced was discorded AJ was still normal and that would still cause the townies to still win the game.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 12:41:04 AM
The way the voting for MVP is going to work is there is going to be 2 MVP's. One for the Villian's side and one for the Mane 6 and ponies side. Everyone in the game will send me a PM with a their choices for both a MVP for both sides. I will give my thoughts on everyone's play which you may take into consideration or not for your vote.
As for prizes there will be 2. Ohhboy has before the game started decided to give the leftover prize from the previous Mafia game to one of the winners. I have decided that whoever gets the Mafia MVP will get that prize.
Whoever gets the Mane 6 or pony MVP will get the MLP:FIM themed prize which I will be getting when I have a chance to in the coming days.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 12:41:47 AM
This is the first game which I have tried to have many moving parts in the game and it could have used some fine tuning to be honest. The Chocolate Rain was the hardest part to manage. Essentially the Chocolate Rain was the Blue Shell from the Mario Kart Mafia games but to a more higher degree.
I also tried to put in some extra abilities for the roles depending on what day it was. I know the Mafia when there is two Mafia's in the game can get different things but I thought I would try this out for any future hosts to try their hand at this type of idea for future games for singular roles.
Now about the supposed rigged game. I am just going to say this. Chocolate Rain was in play at the time. Every action in the game could be altered in a way that it could go wrong or beneficial to both sides. It was a way to get items to other people where it was not possible otherwise. The townies could unwittingly be protecting the GF from an item attack, the mafia could attack their own teammates. The Mafia took the risk in sending the hit out there and well they lost a teammate. You don't always have to be aggressive with your hits. On night two you didn't send in the hit and well townies decided to start voting out inactive people which I might add wasn't you guys. All the Mafia was active this game each day blending in the vote.
Okay now onto the individual players and my thoughts.
Ceric- Not much to say about your play. You voted for apdude and well you got unlucky when Silenced got the Katana Blade the first day and used it on you. You did managed to identify Twilight Sparkle right away and kill her. Also only 1 person got binoculars in the whole game and that was stevey on day 1 so essentially the townies were blind as far as roles go unless they trusted each other with roles. Also you managed to get the Elements of Harmony item right away and make it so that the townies couldn't use them.
Insanolord- only real noteworthy thing you did before you died was investigate Nickmitch and I told you he showed up as a townie. That could have told you two things. He was the queen or a normal townie. You got killed along with Ceric the 1st night.
Apdude- Not much that you did other then get voted out and used the anvil on Ceric. Which I am quite amazed at. It seems everyone was spot on for Day 1 with their targets.
Bustin98- You played fairly well despite the hand you were dealt in that you essentially were to die as your role. On the second day however because of the area the game was in I came up with a way to save your life if you could manage to keep the tie till the end of the day. It didn't happen and well because of the Mafia broke the tie essentually and in the end kinda spelled their own doom with it. Your vote was spot on and I am glad someone paid attention to it when it counted. In essence you voted out Discord before it actually happened.
TJ Spike unfortunately you were a victim of bad items and a tie gone wrong. I don't think you stood out that much in the vote either. Hope you play next game.
Unclebob- If I remember your plan of action it was to stay under the radar so that you wouldn't die. Because whatever you do you die. Maybe you need to look at all your games and make a drastic change to your playstyle.
jrlibrarian- Fluttershy There unfortunately wasn't a way at that time to get out of the vote. There was the element of getting the KO gas from the previous day and the people voting for you would have had to be affected by the item by other people.
Shyguy- Not much that you did this game that I could see as far as Items went. I will say that you were a genius with the voting pattern and keeping yourself hidden as far as getting votes for the townies and townie roles go. You played like you usually do. You were out there but you were wispering in the ear of all the townies and pretty much getting them to vote for people. In that regard you were great. You did great staying alive in the vote while going unnoticed. The only thing that I think may have have hurt you was the bringing me into the game or bring to much attention to yourself.
Oblivion- I will say that your play after Ceric died was pretty good and spot on as far as finding and discording the Mane 6. Probably the only mistake you made was not sending the hit on day 2 which could have possibly won the game had misfortune not happened.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on August 24, 2012, 12:45:45 AM
Hey Shyguy. Look at me. I'm posting in a locked thread before Maxi posts his info. Money. Best superpower on Earth.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 24, 2012, 03:50:20 AM
Here's what was going on from my perspective: Day 1 - I want to post some crazy, on-tilt messages to push suspicion away from myself and also look non-threatening, or at least amusing, to mafia since historically I've been bumped off early. Apdude caught on to what I was doing, but unforunately I was distracted with... Fallout. :brony
Day 2 - jrlibrarian seems like as good as a target as any, being a late bandwagoner. I'm inclined to side with TJSpyke because I figured if he was mafia, he'd have bumped me off on day 1 given our history of spiting each other on the forum :brony Khushrenada sent me a message trying to butter me up, and I was a bit suspicious, although I guess a legit message would look pretty much the same anyway.
Day 3 - Khushrenada had a whole voting bloc working together with some apparently good circumstantial evidence that tjspyke was mafia, so I was inclined to switch my vote to tj at the last minute (and also because it was funny). I still had my plan to vote out jr the next day so I was okay if he turned out to be a townie. I was still worried about the worst case scenario of Khush being mafia so I had my fingers crossed for the buzzsaw.
Day 4 - Ran a train on jr with Khush's support, since I helped him out. I figured it was highly likely he was mafia given that he had narrowly avoided more than one vote out, and it was also highly likely that if he was mafia, so was Shyguy. Shyguy was pretty suspicious anyway. If he wasn't, I had no backup plan and things could have gotten awful.
Day 5 - Mafia gets randomly killed, townies luck out. Khush had a list of suspects that jived pretty well with reality, so I believed he was legit. Game seems to be in the bag at this point. And it was!
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Silenced on August 24, 2012, 06:10:46 AM
Other than guessing Ceric as mafia after getting a lucky katana, things pretty much fell apart for me from there. I think the MVP is pretty obvious if we must vote.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 09:57:06 AM
I didn't want to kill players like Khush, Stevey, and SUPER right away because they make the game more interesting. I always hate when all the prolific posters get killed early and the game becomes a ghost town.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: apdude on August 24, 2012, 11:40:02 AM
I may have played it wrong, since I'm not a townie very often for some reason, but my theory on this game is if your just a regular townie you should be extra vocal to...
A) draw attention to yourself so even if you eat a mafia hit the important townies stay alive B) draw out Mafia bandwagon votes C) try to set up an aliance with some people you think are clean via PM's to a least get more info out there
So with that I feel I did my part, though unfortunately I didn't get to play very long, but still fun to watch.
For MVP's I'm thinking Silenced played a good game. He seemed shifty enough that the Mafia didn't want to target him as he may potentially get bandwagoned, but was putting out enough good info that the townies didn't want to vote him out. Struck a nice ballance with that. Honorable mention to Khush, and Bustin (though I still don't understand what happend there on day 2), Super was pretty entertaining as well.
Mafia side probably Oblivion. Shyguy seemed a little too reluctant without any reasoning, plus he voted me out day 1.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
Let's ask why Maxi targeted me with Chocolate Rain and then lied and said it was randomized?
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 12:36:13 PM
Basically apdude with the Bustin98 vote I added to Bustin's role that he could save himself and whoever he was tied with if they were either a townie role or a normal townie. If whoever he was tied with was a Mafia player then he would die and the Mafia player would live. It was only in the area of Cloudsdale though which was on Day 2.Cloudsdale is the city in the clouds and the city where all the Pegasi live and also where the weather is made in Equestria. However he had to keep it tied till the end of the day. It was on him to do it and well there was some breakage of ties and he lost the vote.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 12:45:10 PM
Are townies allowed to PM each other?
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
Shyguy I wasn't lying when it was randomized. That was the first randomized that happened. I put everyone's name on one list that was alive at the time and then the hit, items and role actions in 3 seperate lists so that the hit would get a chance to get protected against. Your name was atop of the list Shyguy and they get the hit because there is is no other actions like the katana blade or buzz saw that could kill people. Also Someone did get a buzz saw while chocolate rain was up but decided to not use it because he wasn't wreckless. If he been it would have gone after Khushrenada and we would likely still playing the game and Oblivion might still be alive today. The Mafia's choices are why we are here today.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 01:00:51 PM
What do you mean by that and when? After their death? No and I was monitoring everything to make sure that didn't happen. This also goes to the Mafia. They can PM me though. While they are alive yes and it is encoraged.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
Why was my name atop the list? what randomizer software did you use?
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 01:01:36 PM
I was killed because I PM'ed Maxi too much.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 01:02:43 PM
I used Random.org as I always do for these games. Your name was on top of the list after the first randomization.
Nope you weren't killed because you PMed me to much don't be silly.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 01:04:59 PM
I don't believe you.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 01:06:13 PM
Well you are free to believe that but I have said my piece and you have said yours and we can just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 01:06:59 PM
It's not over. this game should be forfeit due to mod cheating.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: apdude on August 24, 2012, 01:13:15 PM
Maybe I'll change my MVP vote to Shyguy for exposing the fradulent results! ::)
Face it you guys were in trouble after day 1.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2012, 01:21:04 PM
I think every Townie should vote Me for Townie MVP. If it wasn't for my large amount of Bad Luck and Charisma you never would have killed the Godfather on the first day.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 01:25:36 PM
Maxi, you need to look at this:
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Just my way of locking up the game. The real Pinkie Pie came forward on the bait and I knew for sure you were the last mafia member. Contrary to what you might think, the mafia wasn't going to win this game. I've had a solid block of 6 townies, myself included, since the end of day 3 whom I deduced to be innocent and I've been going after my prime suspects from there. Although Fzeroboyo was part of that group and he was playing in name only basically. You were second on my top suspect list after TJ Spyke and if it wasn't for the pressure I had from my group to go after jrlibrarian, you would have been targetted Day 4 instead. It helped that jrlibrarian refused to talk with me and make a case not to hit him. I felt he was innocent but got nothing from him to let me the townies away from him. There was a lot more work done behind the scenes in private messaging than you saw in the voting threads. That way, it makes harder for the mafia to know who to target.
Khush sent this to me in a PM. Doesn't he say that he was PMing other townies? How the hell is the fair for the Mafia? Mafia is supposed to be a game of the uninformed majority versus the informed minority.
**** this. I defintely will not be playing another Mafia game.
EDIT: I'm talking about during the game.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 01:27:17 PM
Maxi has ruined mafia.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 01:29:21 PM
Shyguy I'm sorry that you are not happy with the results and I was considering making the next game that I host my last one but if you are not happy with the results then I will make the game after that one my last one on one condition. You have to be my cohost. If you think I was cheating then well I need to have someone to double check me on items,roles, and hits and such. Also as the co-host you need to watch both seasons of the show. I you don't agree with this then the next game I host then well the next game will be my last game as a host.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: apdude on August 24, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Khush sent this to me in a PM. Doesn't he say that he was PMing other townies? How the hell is the fair for the Mafia? Mafia is supposed to be a game of the uninformed majority versus the informed minority.
**** this. I defintely will not be playing another Mafia game.
EDIT: I'm talking about during the game.
As a Mafia member you have to PM townies and try to establish yourself as a townie in their group. Just because they are PM'ing each other doesn't mean they know everything. A lot of it goes on faith. One game Shyguy screwed me over by pretending to be a townie (after a false investigation) and fed me false info and giving all our info to the Mafia.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2012, 01:31:53 PM
All side PMing each other is part of the game. The townies don't know who other townies are at first and start asking other players. Its up to the players to determine if they trust each other. Its not uncommon to have a mafia member in these townie alliances.
In fact in my game I took that up a notch and started with no one knowing who anyone was. It would have been great if all my Mafia where actually playing but most of the game only 1 mafia member even played at all.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 01:34:56 PM
That's complete bullshit. All that townie talk should be in the thread, that's the fucking point. Only the Mafia should be allowed to PM, and that's to each other.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 01:35:46 PM
I don't think I'll be participating with you in Mafia ever again Maxi, let alone co-hosting. Also, I'm not watching two episodes of your __________ ______ show.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: apdude on August 24, 2012, 01:36:55 PM
That's complete bullshit. All that townie talk should be in the thread, that's the fucking point. Only the Mafia should be allowed to PM, and that's to each other.
If that was the case all you would have to do is look at the Who's Online to figure out who is PM'ing. I don't look there myself, as I don't like getting info that way, but it is a tool that can be used.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 01:38:19 PM
Actually, what we do in the Avatar forum I go on is that we create a thing called a Quick Topic (that's another website) to avoid that. Takes ten seconds to make one and you send the link to the mafia members so they can discuss things.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2012, 01:39:06 PM
That's complete bullshit. All that townie talk should be in the thread, that's the fucking point. Only the Mafia should be allowed to PM, and that's to each other.
If that was the case all you would have to do is look at the Who's Online to figure out who is PM'ing. I don't look there myself, as I don't like getting info that way, but it is a tool that can be used.
I never really figured out how to do that with Who's Online. You almost have to be constantly watching.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: apdude on August 24, 2012, 01:43:45 PM
That's complete bullshit. All that townie talk should be in the thread, that's the fucking point. Only the Mafia should be allowed to PM, and that's to each other.
If that was the case all you would have to do is look at the Who's Online to figure out who is PM'ing. I don't look there myself, as I don't like getting info that way, but it is a tool that can be used.
I never really figured out how to do that with Who's Online. You almost have to be constantly watching.
I don't really either. Maxi could probably tell you how. I know he has hounded me about it in the past so I had to cover my tracks a bunch by PM'ing a lot of people.
However, that always made it kind of fun as you felt like you were getting away with something.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 01:46:50 PM
Aaaaaand that's what's wrong with these Mafia games. Thanks for clearing that up apdude.
You know, you should probably do what the game maker says you should instead of not following his rules.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: apdude on August 24, 2012, 01:49:47 PM
I never did anything that was against the rules. And what I ment by "getting away with someting" was tricking someone into beliving I was something that I wasn't, not breaking the rules.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 01:51:28 PM
Here is the thing Oblivion as others pointed out before me and I was just about to respond with the same points.
Oblivion dispite all the Mafia knowing each other at the game the only thing I got from you guys were hits and items. The townies however I got questions about the game and all the roles and how they interacted with each other and the items and how they could work with the roles as well. The Mafia dispite being the informed minority playe like a scattered bunch of people. The townies it sounds like played like an informed group dispite starting off scattered at the begining. There was no planning by the Mafia to me.
Shyguy I guess that's fine. I hope you can feel better in the future. (http://i.imgur.com/WoCsd.jpg)
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 01:55:29 PM
Why would we need to talk to you? Maxi, you're supposed to be there to make sure the game goes fine and to answer questions without helping either side. I had no reason to talk to you whatsoever? Why would I? Shygy and I talked just fine and didn't include you.
You're God in the Mafia game, nothing more, nothing less. You aren't playing the game, we are.
Like I said before, this game has shown me that the way mafia is done on this site is utter ****. It's disorganized, confusing, and not friendly to someone who hasn't played it on this site before. I had no idea that I could PM tonwies, and in any case, it's a shitty idea. I'll just have to keep playing on other websites. Thanks for making it fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: apdude on August 24, 2012, 02:00:43 PM
I see your points and it is valid, but the way it's done here actually works pretty good as well. I'd suggest you give it another shot, knowing how it's done here to see if it makes more sense. In the end I think you'll find it's more sneaky and ultimately more interesting.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: ShyGuy on August 24, 2012, 02:01:28 PM
I'm beginning to seriously think Maxi has some mental health issues with this pony fixation... Now I feel bad for yelling at a crazy person. :(
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 02:07:39 PM
The who's online is the checking timestamps on the PM of when it is being sent and then checking if anyone is checking their PMs soon after then. There is ways around this though. Not responding to PM's right away, having yourself hidden, and I think that is it. However if you are hidden then you likely have a role. I only hid myself so that all the players could send in their actions without any worry when I respond back to them.
Oblivion I know I am not playing the game and I am here to just answer questions but some sites work differently then others. If you weren't sure of anything you should have asked. There isn't a dumb question in my book. I love explaining everything about the game so that everything is clear so that both sides have a chance to win.
Shyguy I was just saying that I hope you feel better in the future about this game and in other things in your life. No hard feelings.
All my thoughts on the dead players are up in the My thoughts post now.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Silenced on August 24, 2012, 03:06:32 PM
As much as I like compliments, Khush was definitely the star here. He's got the brains that I really don't have. He nailed the last Mafia member and just has good reasoning for every accusation. And he's active.
The only thing I didn't like about this game (even though we were on to him) was that Chocolate Rain thing. I'm still not sure how it worked... but ShyGuy's death was pure luck. It might have bought an extra day, who knows.
Always happy to live the game though. You feel like you learned/did something at the end of it all.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2012, 03:58:54 PM
Gonna be off the forum for the rest of the day. Be sure to send in the MVP votes for who you think the the 2 MVPs should be. I will close MVP voting at the end of the month or once everyone send in their PM's whichever comes first.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Silenced on August 24, 2012, 04:46:34 PM
Hooold on, Oblivion. My game was absolute ****, but for some reason this game, mediocre at least, is getting so much hate. I see where you're coming from, and if you want to go then not many people are stopping you. Mafia isn't going to end the world. Hosts can't be perfect. First few games I played, I was voted out early and wanted to wuit so badly. But I just got over it and jumped back into things. If you give this another chance, I bet you'll get to liking it.
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Post by: Ceric on August 24, 2012, 04:51:17 PM
My first one I was really involved in was Poke-Mafia and one of the 18 Day we knew was mafia kept getting lucky on his/her saving role so we voted her/him out for I think it was 3 days.
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Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2012, 04:52:33 PM
I don't care about dying early. If I died first for the next twenty games I wouldn't give a ****. It's that, like I've said for the third time now, is that these games are unorganized, unfriendly to someone who hasn't played before, and allow things I have never seen before in a Mafia game. I mean... PMing each other as Town? NO. That right there kills it for me. If you're town, EVERYTHING you say HAS to be in the public. That's the point of being the uninformed majority. NO PMING. If the Mafia needs to talk, use a quick topic. And hell, if it has to be done like that, PUT IT IN THE RULES. I mean, come on, how is that fair if I didn't know?
I would've bitched like this if I hadn't lost.
EDIT: This is how to do a forum mafia game: http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=22017.0 (http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=22017.0) EDIT2: I guess you can't see the link, nevermind.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: apdude on August 24, 2012, 05:02:14 PM
The problem with that is that in not enforcible. How would the host know who is PM'ing who and for what reason. I'm guessing that is why it is allowed / encouraged so it puts everyone on an equal level. Ultimately the townies need to vote in the day thread, and when you see it going against you that's probably a good time to start PM'ing those who are putting your name down or appealing to the others.
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Post by: S-U-P-E-R on August 24, 2012, 06:06:03 PM
LOL at the suggestion that PMing should be against the rules. It's not just totally unenforceable, but it's a critical part of the game. It's also how the game has been played since mafia #1 on this site. As mafia, you need to get in good with a bloc of townies and manipulate them as best you can instead of clamming up and expecting them to be 100% transparent and do all the work for you. In short, l2p scrub :smug:
If I'm going to criticize any part of this mafia, I would say that having too many random elements took away from the strategy. I'm not sure if the townies would have won if not for random mafia suicide. Also, having a small window for night actions instead of a whole overnight period caused some problems (and made using the Who's Online forum page for detective work maybe a little too good).
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 25, 2012, 03:39:28 AM
Okay I am back. As others have mentioned before me. It is not really enforceable and as you have mentioned Oblivion you don't even have to chat on this forum via PM. Some people use emails,Wiimails, AIM, and all other manor ways of talking with each other. This can go with each side.
The key to winning in the Mafia games when I played in them. How I won in them was to look at voting patterns, look at any differing play styles based on when people have different roles, Look at behavior in the threads, See if there was any alliances in the threads, and finally ask questions of the host within the guidelines of the rules.
The first one is fairly simple. You want to see if the Mafia is voting the same way. See if there is a logical explanation you can make for people voting a certain way to build your case against them if need be.
This second one is how I got voted out in my second game because I was Mafia in my second game and I was quiet and I was a townie in my first and I was PMing everyone in the first game. vudu caught onto this and I was voted out in the second game. This is why most people don't change their play styles.It can be done but it has to be done subtly. The next one goes for the whole forum it is taking place in although it is not fool proof.
Basically if someone is not being as active as they should be then they either are Mafia or they could have a townie role. Most normal townies are pretty active because they don't have to worry about the responsibilities of a role. Although some people like UncleBob this game stay hidden as to stay alive and under the radar but it doesn't always work. Not always a good one to go by.
The alliances in the threads. Basically read everything carefully for the next one and see if there is any double meaning in the words some people are sneaky like that and if people are working together in PMs already they sometimes say stuff in the thread that only the person they are working with would get.
As for the last one in my book there is no dumb questions. Also it is up to the host as to not give to much away to the people asking the questions. Give the hosts some credit if you have a question that may be sticky then I am sure they have thought of all the possible situations in the game for it and a way to answer the question without helping you too much but giving you the answer you need.
All this was when I was a townie. I also at times formed an alliance of townies and in multiple times there was a Mafia member in the Alliance. I can only think maybe 5 times that there wasn't one in the alliance. In one of the times that there was a Mafia member both GF was in the Alliance. Yeah the game can get really intense and untrustworthy.
As for being Mafia in the game well you need to be organized and plan things out and make lists and plan days in advance if things don't work out. I will admit that the items probably would have worked better if everyone had a set amount of HP for the game. If I were to do this game again or if someone wants to remake this game again then that is what I would likely change.
Usually the Key with being Mafia is the be active but to not draw to much attention to yourself. If the townies are fighting let them. You have a free day to plan out the next day and to figure out the townie roles. Try to pin point the leader in the group and kill them.
Try to kill all the active people first if you can or the people in the know so you can hopefully lead the clueless people to voting out their teammates with your words. Essentially you are a puppet master.Trying to pull others strings but at the same time trying to not get caught doing so.
Getting into an alliance can be hard but it usually helps if you have a repore from a previous game with someone. For example me and Stratos usually try to team up when we play just because we make such a good townie team and we usually know each other well so we can tell if we are on the other side. The key to being in an alliance for the Mafia is to be helpful when you can and then report back anything to your teammates that may be of interest. It also helps if you can get the trust of most the people in the alliance as it gets bigger. This is a case by case for each person some people can see through you and other people you can lie to and they won't bat an eye at you.
If this doesn't help you guys for the upcoming games then I don't know what will.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 25, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
Guys send in you MVP votes to me via PM. I have gotten 2 people to sent in their votes. Everyone in the game can send in their votes as to who should get the MVP even if they are alive or dead. The only restriction is that you can't vote for yourself.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: nickmitch on August 25, 2012, 09:47:02 PM
You're God in the Mafia game, nothing more, nothing less.
At the risk of being banned, I just wanna say this made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 25, 2012, 11:17:46 PM
Eh I take that as a compliment Nickmitch. It is also kinda funny in the context of the lore of the MLP:FIM universe.
Anyway I will try to put up my thoughts on the alive players and put up the stories for Day 5 and the end game thread in a bit. I have to have some Dinner now.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on August 27, 2012, 06:18:58 PM
I didn't want to kill players like Khush, Stevey, and SUPER right away because they make the game more interesting. I always hate when all the prolific posters get killed early and the game becomes a ghost town.
And I respect that a lot. I truly do. There are many ways to win but the most satisfying wins have been ones where I've let stronger and more vocal competition live in the game even though I knew it would make a win more difficult than taking them out.
That gets my MVP vote. (for the mafia)
EDIT: Heck, my favorite loss was one where I was leading a townie alliance and we had figured out the mafia which I think was being led by stevey but we still lost to the mafia. Stevey totally beat me and left me alive to the end. I'm not infallible. I made plenty of mistakes early on in this game frankly. I can be beaten like anyone else. I like to think that it just might be a bit more difficult to do so. But I respect an opponent that will take me on and let me twist in the wind and I remember those losses more happily than a day 1 or 2 mafia hit death.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 01, 2012, 04:41:24 PM
Guess what guys there was a tie with the MVP voting. I only got 4 votes.
Here is how it broke down.
Silenced-1 Khushrenada-1 for the townie MVP
and for the Mafia MVP Oblivion and Shyguy with a vote a piece.
The only people who sent in votes were Apdude,SUPER and Khushrenada. So if I don't get any votes from anyone else in the game breaking the tie between these players by the end of the weekend I will just break the tie myself and send out prizes when I can.
So you guys are voting for Silenced or Khushrenada for the Townie MVP and Oblivion or Shyguy for the Mafia MVP.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Oblivion on September 01, 2012, 07:29:08 PM
I'm guessing I can't vote for myself, so I'll just vote for ShyGuy.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on September 02, 2012, 01:39:17 AM
Also give S-U-P-E-R a vote for townie MVP and make it a 3-way tie! As well, I don't need a prize. Getting a win in this game is prize enough for me so if someone wants to break the townie MVP tie, you don't have to give it to me.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 02, 2012, 01:59:37 AM
Okay just so everyone knows I will keep the voting open till the end of the weekend and then I will tally the votes so just vote in the thread. Also the Mafia will be getting the prize lefted over from the last Mafia game and the townie MVP will be getting a MLP:FIM themed prize.
Gonna let voting for the townie MVP go for another 15 mins and then if it doesn't get broken then I will break the tie myself.
Shyguy wins the Mafia MVP. Congrats to that.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Plugabugz on September 03, 2012, 03:00:24 AM
I haven't played Mafia in some time but it's good to see the influence of Mario Kart Mafia still going.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 03, 2012, 03:08:32 AM
Yep there was one item in the game that had the random element that could be brought into the game and if nobody got the item it would have played like a typical Mafia game with items. The main thing I probably should have changed with the items was to have everyone to have a certain amount of health in the game but I think having a co-host would of helped with that to keep track of the health.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 03, 2012, 04:06:21 AM
After much reading of the past threads and looking over the votes and the item useage I am going to have to breaking the tie and say that Silenced is going to be the Townie MVP.
Here is my reasoning for the MVP vote. First of all he got lucky on the first day and got the Katana Blade and used it on Ceric as Pinkie Pie. That helped the townies get a good start on the first day. In the threads he was thoughtful and could see between the lines and talked about his reasoning in the threads. He also asked me questions about the items and the uses it could do and what items could work with what other items. Some of the items in the game could work together at the same time you just had to ask me what ones could. Some of the items could not work together and that was more of a balance thing.
He also had in his votes a nice batch of Mafia votes early on. If that was intentional or not that is fine but it went against the grain and he trusted his own instincts and that can help at times develop your own skills as a player and your own judgement.
He also was wise with his items when he didn't need to use at the time. He had a buzz saw during Chocolate Rain and decided to not use it. If he used it maybe Apple Jack would have been killed that night and we possibly could of had a different game here.
In any case Silenced is the Townie MVP. Shyguy is the Mafia MVP.
Silenced PM me and send me your address so I can mail you your stuff. Shyguy I already PMed oohhboy about your prize and he should be getting back to you about the code. If not well contact him about it after a few days.
Let me know if the PM's aren't going through so I can clear my inbox here Silenced.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Frindship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: oohhboy on September 03, 2012, 07:32:35 AM
Prize sent. Good hunting.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 03, 2012, 02:47:30 PM
Hmm Silenced has declined the prize. Khushrenada did you want it. I was going to offer this collection of things in one bundle. There is a canon map of Equestria, a T shirt, a small collection of random pony merch and when it is released the 1st issue of the MLP:FIM comic book. The comic book comes out in November but the rest of the stuff I would send out as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on September 04, 2012, 06:31:49 PM
Well, I'm not really a fan of the MLP show. I started watching one episode during the game but stopped after about 12 minutes. Just doesn't intrigue me I'm afraid. Therefore, I'd rather pass the gift on to someone who'd appreciate it. So, if there's someone else who is a fan and would like the merchandise, just post it or tell me and I will gift the prize on to them. Otherwise, you can hold on to the stuff yourself Maxi since I know for sure you are fan.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Ceric on September 04, 2012, 07:42:52 PM
My Wife is watching the series a third time and my son likes it. Plus my early pure magnetism supremely helped the townies.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 04, 2012, 07:47:59 PM
Might I ask what episode you started on Khushrenada?
As for the prize. There actually was only 3 people in the whole game at the start that was a fan of the show that was playing. Only one of them stayed alive. I was going to go through a list of people in a certain order to see if someone wanted the prize But I guess I could just ask the person that is a fan directly first and then go in the order.
Ceric as much as I would like to give this to you you unfortunately were on the Mafia side. If you guys won the game then the Mafia would be going for the MLP:FIM stuff and the Townies would have got last games gift.
I just messaged the person about it.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Khushrenada on September 05, 2012, 11:25:46 AM
Well, as I said in my post, if I'm the MVP townie and you were going to give me the prize surely I can then pass it on to someone else and regift. Yes, no? And if so, I have no problem giving it to Ceric and his son.
As for the episode, it was the first one. The pilot episode I guess.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 05, 2012, 01:52:36 PM
As for the prize I was going to wait to get a response first from the person that I messaged about the gift. Then go to the next fan that was a townie and then you could gift it to Ceric.
As for the episode that is the introductory episode which first shows all Main 6 and it is a 2 parter. The characters get fleshed out in the later episodes and while I wouldn't say that there is a story arc there is small nods between previous episodes with later episodes with the jokes and real life references in the show. Also the setting is a fantasy setting so there is lots of different mythological creatures in the show. Most of the arc is contained to the season openers and closers.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 07, 2012, 04:19:08 PM
Okay I waited for a response back and I haven't heard back from him so the prize is now with the second townie that is a fan. If that person declines the prize then it will go to Ceric. I sent a PM to that person just now and I am giving them the rest of the weekend to respond back to me so by Monday this should get resolved one way or another.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: Mop it up on September 07, 2012, 05:06:33 PM
I knew I forgot to do something. Oh well, I would have voted for Apdude anyway, which wouldn't have helped anything. He actually drew out two Mafia members on the first day, even if no one noticed at the time.
Title: Re: Mafia LVII:Friendship is Chaos End game thread and MVP voting thread.
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 07, 2012, 07:02:56 PM
Okay got a response back. I will be shipping the things out as soon as I can.
Bustin98 got back to me and said that he got the shipment today.
