Post by: Stogi on July 23, 2007, 02:01:33 AM
HURRAY!
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 02:07:16 AM
Post by: UERD on July 23, 2007, 02:14:04 AM
But I wouldn't pay anything for online ever. Blizzard has been running their excellent battle.net service for games like Starcraft and Diablo for free for the last decade or so, and Sony's service is apparently free as well.
Post by: AzureNightmare on July 23, 2007, 04:20:08 AM
Post by: Stogi on July 23, 2007, 04:48:58 AM
A lot of serious responses to a sarcastic thread.
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2007, 04:50:49 AM
Post by: Stogi on July 23, 2007, 05:11:57 AM
Do you think there will ever be a fee? And who do you think will impose it (Certianly not Nintendo)?
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 05:18:26 AM
Post by: Stogi on July 23, 2007, 05:24:57 AM
Who's to say Nintendo wouldn't do it? Maybe not impose the fees, but they certainly could have an MMO in the works. It could be something totally original or some Mii/Pokemon hybrid.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, afterall.
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 05:40:44 AM
At the very least there would have to be some sort of revenue from the game itself for Nintendo to make the venture worth their while.
That and the lack of HD for the Wii and it's "lack of power" (in developers eyes) when compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3 makes it a less than ideal breeding ground for MMO type games outside of Nintendo.
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 23, 2007, 07:08:12 AM
The fact that SSBB's alleged online portion hasn't been mentioned in a while scares the hell out of me.
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 07:13:26 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on July 23, 2007, 07:16:17 AM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on July 23, 2007, 07:33:02 AM
Post by: UERD on July 23, 2007, 08:34:46 AM
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Well lets look at an MMO from the fee standpoint, even one made by Nintendo. The concept (whatever it would be) would have to revolve around a environment in which a, well, massive amount of people could play on. This results in the need for dedicated servers, moderators, and a development team that could update content / fix content should it need to be done. This would result in a financial hit to the company if they had no monthly subscription fee.
Not to mention the storage capacity they'd need for updates ands stuff. Are we scheduled to get a hard drive accessory (or USB Mass Storage support) anytime within the near future?
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Battle.net got raped by cheaters and hackers and well, Sony's service is subpar in its content offerings compared to the likes of XBL and Nintendo's service
To be fair, it's a lot easier to control hackers when it's a closed system (e.g. console), and XBL has been out a lot longer than Sony's service. That, and Sony doesn't like making games anymore. No more games. Games are so last-gen.
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 08:42:32 AM
Though, arguably, they could do a bundle like they did with PS2 and FFXI and it could connect to the system via USB or something.
Regardless, I don't see Nintendo EVER releasing an MMO for Wii. As much as I want to see a Pokemon MMO, it just isn't likely to happen.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 23, 2007, 08:43:47 AM
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Which two games are online? Strikers and Mario Kart Wii?
The fact that SSBB's alleged online portion hasn't been mentioned in a while scares the hell out of me.
In an interview with Steven Totilo<sp?> @ minE3, Reggie all but said there was an online portion of SSBB.
He said they would announce more regarding SSBB in the near future and to keep checking the Dojo for updates.
The way he dodged the question, to me, sounds like they want to save it as a surprise for a later date.
So don't be too scared, as it sounds like its coming and soon.
Post by: UERD on July 23, 2007, 08:48:03 AM
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Yeah I did include the storage stuff albeit brief UERD
Ourps. I thought HD was 'high definition' for some stupid reason.
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Regardless, I don't see Nintendo EVER releasing an MMO for Wii.
I agree. If they really did want a MMO for the system, they'd probably ask a second or third party that was already thinking about an MMO to develop it for the Wii. Did Sony or Microsoft ever develop a first-person MMO? I can't recall them ever doing so.
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 08:49:01 AM
That and the fact that it was stated from the big guy himself, Sakurai, that the game was created with the purpose of getting the Smash series online.
It'll be online, I don't think they will disappoint. They aren't stupid, they know how important it is to have this game online and I am sure the extra year of development time allowed them to perfect whatever online set up they have.
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2007, 08:49:57 AM
Anyways.
I would't say a fee is out there. Remember the only online Gamecube game had a fee. (While I enjoyed PSO I don't think there was anything in there that really justified the the price.) Though I do hope Nintendo will beef up their current "online" offerings. I mean having to go to another website to see gameplay videos for VC game is weak sauce.
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 08:53:00 AM
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Yeah I did include the storage stuff albeit brief UERD
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Regardless, I don't see Nintendo EVER releasing an MMO for Wii.
I agree. If they really did want a MMO for the system, they'd probably ask a second or third party that was already thinking about an MMO to develop it for the Wii. Did Sony or Microsoft ever develop a first-person MMO? I can't recall them ever doing so.
Ah no worries.
About the second or third parties I dunno, I think Nintendo is just REALLY gun-shy about making online content with their franchises where anyone can interact with anyone else and talk/type to one another. Another reason why we will probably never ever see a Pokemon MMO.
Maybe they would intrust a second party to a brand new kind of MMO? That could be possible.
Oh and I don't think Sony or MS ever did any sort of MMO (first party speaking).
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 23, 2007, 09:10:43 AM
OFFICIAL FORUM ABBREVIATION USAGE:
HD = High Definition
HDD = HarD Drive (Hard Disk Drive)
[/the confusion]
Call it what you want, but abbreviate it accordingly. end the confusion.
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 09:14:10 AM
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UERD, you had it right, other people have it wrong, for some stupid reason
HD = High Definition
HDD = HarD Drive
Actually HDD means Hard Disk Drive =) but hey my macintosh says "Macintosh HD" and it isn't referring to its hard drive as high definition
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2007, 09:19:06 AM
Isn't Sony responsible for Everquest?
Post by: Stogi on July 23, 2007, 09:22:18 AM
That makes two crimes Sony has committed.
Don't tell me you forgot about the armed robbery on launch day?
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2007, 09:25:12 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 23, 2007, 09:27:50 AM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
In an interview with Steven Totilo<sp?> @ minE3, Reggie all but said there was an online portion of SSBB.
He said they would announce more regarding SSBB in the near future and to keep checking the Dojo for updates.
The way he dodged the question, to me, sounds like they want to save it as a surprise for a later date.
So don't be too scared, as it sounds like its coming and soon.
That still worries me.
I've actually refused to preorder a copy of SSBB because a roommate already has and we decided that we don't need two copies unless we have online play.
Post by: Mashiro on July 23, 2007, 09:28:54 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 23, 2007, 09:29:42 AM
I know that you will be able to walk into any store at noon on launch day and pick one up off the shelf.....
but sometimes you just never know
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 23, 2007, 09:33:31 AM
Also, the Gamestop will DEFINITELY have a midnight launch for it, unlike the BS the other GS pulled with the Wii.
It helps that I'm dating the manager of this one. Heh heh...
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2007, 10:06:45 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 23, 2007, 10:26:10 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 23, 2007, 02:09:43 PM
I took BnM's advice and just reserved a copy anyway. I had +/- $150 in store credit from selling games back and I can just move it if it turns out to not have online play.
I'm sincerely hoping it has it, however.
Post by: Ceric on July 23, 2007, 03:25:34 PM
I hope it does too.
Post by: therat on July 23, 2007, 05:02:49 PM
Post by: UniversalJuan on July 23, 2007, 07:22:31 PM
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Post by: Shift Key on July 23, 2007, 10:55:11 PM
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My theory as to why Brawl online hasn't been 150% confirmed (As far as I can tell, we already knwo it will be online...I don't know why we need it triple talked about, but whatever) simple...anyone remember that XFire is working on something for a console? Well, MS has Live, Sony has Home, Nintendo has WFC, or do they? Brawl to use integrated XFire for Wii ftw?
This theory is stupid.
Post by: Kairon on July 23, 2007, 11:04:07 PM
What about that voice-to-text technology that Nintendo was rumored to be working on? The reason I bring this up is because once stuff is in text form... it'd be easier to filter for offensive content, a sort of online voice v-chip, if you may, that would make online communication a little bit more civilized, and perhaps even inspire a lifting of the friendcode embargo we're currently under?
Post by: Smoke39 on July 23, 2007, 11:57:01 PM
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What about that voice-to-text technology that Nintendo was rumored to be working on? The reason I bring this up is because once stuff is in text form... it'd be easier to filter for offensive content, a sort of online voice v-chip, if you may, that would make online communication a little bit more civilized, and perhaps even inspire a lifting of the friendcode embargo we're currently under?
Animal Crossing censors curse words 'n' stuff. Why does it still use friend codes then, huh?
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 24, 2007, 04:28:15 AM
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So when shes mad at you you owe 150 and when things are fine you have 150?
She's never mad at me. I bring her food and energy drinks when she works double shifts. She basically opted to do the midnight launch just for me.
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I believe that Nintendo will eventually need to move into a more robust online experience. Not for hardcore gamers, mind you, but because non-gamers and casual gamers will find voice communication much more intuitive than text. Once again, it'll be the blue ocean that pulls them forward, and hardcore gamers will weep bitter tears of egocentric self-pity. The only thing left to figure out is... how to protect online voice chatting gamers from themselves...
I agree totally.
I think the friend codes stick out like a sore thumb amongst Nintendo's allegedly "casual friendly" repertoire. You have all these internet services which are easy to use and access like the Weather and News channels. Then, in the midst of that, you have this "give them your 16 digit code and they give you theirs, which you then need to register, punch in, etc. to play with them" system. It just doesn't add up.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on July 24, 2007, 05:26:33 AM
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Don't they use hda in linux. Its been a while. \dev\hda1
Isn't Sony responsible for Everquest?
Yes they are responsible for Eva-crack
And about linux, hda is a harddrive as would be hda2. However, there is also hdb, hdc, hdd, etc.
Where /dev/ is device.
Post by: UniversalJuan on July 24, 2007, 09:23:56 AM
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My theory as to why Brawl online hasn't been 150% confirmed (As far as I can tell, we already knwo it will be online...I don't know why we need it triple talked about, but whatever) simple...anyone remember that XFire is working on something for a console? Well, MS has Live, Sony has Home, Nintendo has WFC, or do they? Brawl to use integrated XFire for Wii ftw?
This theory is stupid.
Do tell what's so stupid about it please. I can't be content with my ideas being blatantly called stupid without some sort of reasoning.
Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 09:46:09 AM
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Originally posted by: UniversalJuan
My theory as to why Brawl online hasn't been 150% confirmed (As far as I can tell, we already knwo it will be online...I don't know why we need it triple talked about, but whatever) simple...anyone remember that XFire is working on something for a console? Well, MS has Live, Sony has Home, Nintendo has WFC, or do they? Brawl to use integrated XFire for Wii ftw?
This theory is stupid.
Do tell what's so stupid about it please. I can't be content with my ideas being blatantly called stupid without some sort of reasoning.
I wont call your theory stupid but I will say it is highly unlikely.
Nintendo's E3 big spiel about "when is Nintendo going to get serious about going online?" and whatnot and responding to the question by saying "we already are" has me doubtful that they would introduce something like Xfire into the equasion with Brawl.
Let's say Nintendo wanted to keep this news secret till a later date, I would say (knowing Nintendo's style) they would drop hints and say something is in the works but they can't say anything specific blah blah.
Also, Xfire is based solely on the Windows operating system which would make the likely hood of it appearing on say Xbox far more likely. (Although they have stated that once the Xfire on PC is perfected a mac version will come out).
I dunno just seems very unlikely.
Post by: Kairon on July 24, 2007, 12:34:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Kairon
What about that voice-to-text technology that Nintendo was rumored to be working on? The reason I bring this up is because once stuff is in text form... it'd be easier to filter for offensive content, a sort of online voice v-chip, if you may, that would make online communication a little bit more civilized, and perhaps even inspire a lifting of the friendcode embargo we're currently under?
Animal Crossing censors curse words 'n' stuff. Why does it still use friend codes then, huh?
:/ I guess you're right. DARN!
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So when shes mad at you you owe 150 and when things are fine you have 150?
She's never mad at me. I bring her food and energy drinks when she works double shifts. She basically opted to do the midnight launch just for me.
I wish you every possible good thing in this endeavor.
Post by: Mashiro on July 24, 2007, 12:52:52 PM
They could of had a "random" system in place but I am not sure how well that would have worked.
Post by: NeoThunder on July 24, 2007, 03:59:35 PM
Post by: Shift Key on July 24, 2007, 10:38:00 PM
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Do tell what's so stupid about it please. I can't be content with my ideas being blatantly called stupid without some sort of reasoning.
Hahahahaha, well, since you seem to be so attached to your "ideas" then I'll break it down for you.
1. XFire have been rumoured to be making something for unspecified consoles. Here's the interview for those unaware of this:
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You previously commented that you were "in talks with one other console maker", but haven't revealed who this is. Is it safe to assume that you were talking about Nintendo, and what has become of this discussion?
Stay tuned!
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13325
This means nothing at the current time. You can read tea leaves as much as you want, the official word is "No comment". If you'd even read the full interview you'd have seen that there is already a PS3 game using Xfire tools (it was a PS2 port but that's beside the point).
There have been no official annoucements regarding Xfire and console makers.
2. Nintendo's online service is behind the competition. That's a fact. There's no integration at the console level unlike XBL/PSN, which means developers have to implement their own online systems ( sup friend codes). The fact that the hardware supports online does not make things any easier -- in fact, it makes things harder for developers because it now carries an expectation that online should be implemented for most games.
And they're now a subsidiary of Viacom, which means that they will go where the money is, irrespective of the opportunity being presented.
Xfire wouldn't make a product unless they knew that it would be a profitable venture - and the Wii's online platform is a mess in its current form
3. Xfire is not the silver bullet for online gaming. Its merely a tool to enable gamers to communicate with friends and arrange games. It does not help with the underlying problem of making an online game. Xfire does not improve a game, but it enhances the user's experience. The presence of Xfire Wii tools will not affect Smash Bros or any other game because it isn't integral to the game - like the Dashboard for the 360.
Xfire is middleware
4. You're drawing a very, very long conclusion by linking this to Smash Bros. For one thing, we're still not sure about Brawl being online.
And why has it been continually delayed? Well, that's for the speculators to decide - and we can only go by the limited info available.
Feel free to speculate about Brawl, but if it was a good reason for delaying it then Nintendo would probably explain the situation. RIght?
So how about you look at facts rather than truthiness when it comes to things like this?
Hell, I just had a conversation with my gut and the truthiness it spouted indicated that Nintendo were delaying it and refining the game mechanics/levels/extras in order to release closer to the Christmas season and not interfere with Mario Sunshine. Forget competing with Halo 3. Forget the PS3 "tidal wave". They're probably aiming for a time when Wiis are abundant and will start a huge ad campaign for their marquee product.
I'll be quite surprised if Nintendo has been keeping online Brawl a secret for the shock value of it, but I won't rule out online.
There's just too much bullshit going on right now for me to believe this is simple.
If you want to create these alternate realities where things are more favourable then be my guest. But don't go sharing these "ideas" with us because its nonsense.
Post by: Ceric on July 25, 2007, 01:53:19 AM
