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Just got out of Ant-Man & the Wasp: Quantumania

First thought when watching this.... What if Marvel made a Star Wars movie, but in the Marvel Quantumverse....
and that thought stuck with me the entire movie.

Movie is entertaining for sure, but kinda suffers from the same thing every Ant-Man movie does... and that is just  something that keeps you from being all the way engrossed in it.
I don't really know how to describe it, but I feel like you know exactly what I'm talking about.

As for MODOK.... LOL
what can I say. You've seen the leaked photos. It's just as bad as you know it to be, but in live action.
It what happens when keep it True to the Comics kinda goes wrong.... in a "good" way I guess, because it was pretty funny, but so got damn silly. His assembly scene was hilarious, but the character in whole was just kinda fucking absurd comic relief. I can't believe he got as much screen time as he did looking like he did.
It kinda sucks to see him die, but I really can't imagine him moving into another movie series and the director being forced to use him, and not just walk off the fucking set throwing the clip board in the air :D

Kang was good. what their doing with Kang... well, that looks interesting.
Plays right into Loki season 1 ending.

Also there are 2 end scenes. so stick around after the black and white credits.

I heard that this was originally supposed to close out Phase 4 and end on a cliffhanger with Scott and his daughter trapped, but after the schedule shuffle they made it the Phase 5 opener and it got a rewrite that hurt the film.

Feels like the ant-man films are in these weird spots in the phases that hinder them being their own quality things in some way.

Seeing the poor box office numbers, I can assume probably no one here other than me has gone to see The Marvels?

TBH, it was a fun film. Kamala was very enjoyable, but they spoiled most of her good moments in the trailers... but that was because they had no other way of marketing the film since the actor strike only ended a day or 2 before the movie came out.

this movie is better than the B.O. would suggest, but at the same time, I don't blame anyone for not rushing out to theater to see this (or most any other movie), knowing it will be on streaming for free in a few months.

The truth of the matter is that the MCU has lost it's hook, it's sense of 'must watch it now' before I am spoiled, because End Game was the perfect climax, and nothing since has felt all that connected or like a major event that needs to be experienced NOW.

having said all that..... go watch The Marvels
so I'm not alone in here. lol

So, I went and saw The Marvels a couple days ago. Mainly out of respect for BnM as I was leaning towards not bothering until I saw his last post. He asked not to be alone so I answered the call.

It's been awhile since I'd seen a movie in 3D actually. I like 3D in space movies. Sometimes get that sensation of floating in space from it. It just seems to work better in that type of setting. I think I also like more the space part of the Marvel universe. The superpowers and superhero stuff can be a clash of fantasy and reality when set on Earth but by leaning into the fantasy stuff and just going wild with different alien species and worlds then it somehow becomes easier for the suspension of disbelief since it's all unreal.

Since Endgame came out, here's the quick list of Marvel movies that released after it and I've noted which ones I've seen as well:

Spider-Man: Far From Home - (Saw in the theatre)
Black Widow - (Watched from home last year)
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
Spider-Man: No Way Home (Watched from home last year)
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Thor: Love and Thunder
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (Saw in the theatre)
The Marvels (Saw in the theatre)

11 movies released and I've seen 5 of them. I also don't have a subscription to Disney+ so I have seen none of the TV shows that have been released from Wandavision on but then the only Marvel TV Show I've ever watched and seen all the way through was Agent Carter so that whole section has never meant much to me. And until Wandavision, the TV series really don't have much to do with what was going on in the movies anyways. The Marvels seems to represent a change in that as it was full of stuff I was peripherally aware of through pop culture and articles and comments on the Disney+ shows as they've aired but, again, haven't followed too closely. Of the 5 movies I've seen, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 would be my choice for best and liked the most. 

But let's talk The Marvels first. How would I describe it? I suppose the best way would be using comic books themselves as an example. Perhaps when one was a kid (although it could be any age), you saw something like Batman: The Animated Series or Spider-Man: The Animated Series and you enjoyed those tales but wanted more after they were over. You go to a comic book shop in the hopes of finding new adventures. Yet, you're not really sure where to start. Perhaps you just pick an issue or two of some series because the cover grabs you or you'd heard that a current story arc is really good. Diving into it can be a bit disorienting since there's new characters and styles compared to the animated series you watched. Depending on what the issue is maybe you are in the middle of a current story and are now trying to catch up to the events unfolding in the issue. Characters that were in the series seem to behave differently in the issue. That kind of thing can make it tough for comic books to hook in new readers who may have had their curiosity increased because of some other media. Perhaps it could also be like deciding to check out a long running TV series you'd heard about from others. Like if someone decided to watch an episode of Game of Thrones in its 6th season to see what it was like. Not everyone will always go to the start to check something out especially if it seems like doing so could be daunting. And how do you go to the start in comic books? There might be some good jumping in points but those could still require a lot of issues to get caught up.

That's what The Marvels felt like to me; Picking a comic book issue off the shelf and finding a story already in progress. Nick Fury's in a space station. When was there a space station built? Who is this Monica Rambeau? It also felt like it was just moving threads along for other stories resulting in a lackluster "main" story. On my way home after watching it, part of me was wondering just what was the point of this movie? What was the main conflict? It was trying to juggle different conflicts for different characters and nothing was really well done in the end because of it. Somehow, the three main characters have their powers get connected through Trek-babble and then somehow that just stops during the final fight and I can't recall any great explanation for why. That particular conflict just resolves it self somehow. Ostensibly, the main conflict would seem to be about the jump points and fixing them but maybe it was the stuff to do with Hala and the Ronan The Accuser pretender. It's just all so meh. There were a couple times in which the movie was able to rise above that such as going to Aladna and learning about its princess as well as the cats. Should be all I have to say about the latter. The problem with those moments is that they were rather brief and it felt like there could have been more to be done there particularly with Aladna and it then just further makes the rest of the movie seem dull in comparison to them which further makes the "main villain" worse for being boring compared to them.

By the end of the movie, I had a bunch of questions because, once more, things just seemed to be underwritten and it became a lot of "stuff just happens" without much reason why. It also gave me the impression that the movies may have now inherited a problem that comic book series face of having no real ending. Like a soap opera that goes on for decades trying to find new ways to come up with new stories and conflicts for the characters with the main reason being for the creators to keep getting paid for doing so. The result right now just feels like trying to just check off plot points that need to happen for characters to move them on to the next point they'll be featured in but try and cover that turning of cogs with some sort of story in an attempt to hide that behind the scenes machinery. I get why it has a 61% with critics on Rotten Tomatoes while it has an 83% with fans. For people like BnM who have stayed in the Marvel ecosystem, there's probably more that they can enjoy from this movie compared to someone like me who's seen way less of the Marvel output at this point and felt like the movie was struggling to justify its existence.

Also, has Marvel stopped doing clips at the end of the credits? I'm trying to remember if there was something once Guardians of the Galaxy 3 wrapped up. I thought there was but maybe I've misremembered that already. Stayed until the credits wrapped up for The Marvels only to have a blank silent screen as my reward.

And one final comment about the movie, when I watched it late Tuesday night, it was just myself and one other person in the theatre to see it. For a moment, I thought this might make the 4th time I've gone to a movie and been the only one in there for the showing but then one other person showed up. I kinda wish that guy had not come. I've been in a couple showings with low numbers like 9 or 8 people including myself which is fine since we were all scattered about but you still had a weird sense of community as you heard others laughing or reacting to what was happening on the screen. It's not like myself and this other person were seated close. There were plenty of rows between us. But it just feels weird to have this one other stranger somewhere in the room with you. I'd have much rather had the whole room to myself and not wonder if maybe I laughed too loud or something. I'd say 2 - 5 (including one self in that count) is a bad number for movie viewing. 6 and on will probably be okay and maybe add a bit more to the experience because it will feel like you're part of a special intimate crowd.


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