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TalkBack / Re: Indie World Announces A Dozen Future Released For The Switch

« Last post by Evan_B on Today at 10:04:51 AM »

Well, one of these days I may play that original and see what all the NWR hype is about. As I recall, it scored like a 9.5 or 10 when someone reviewed it back in the day.

It's been slightly amusing to me that on the NWR Discord I've seen a lot of users hyped about the news of Heist 2 whereas in another Discord channel, I've seen it shrugged off and people wondering why they won't make Steamworld Dig 3 and are just putting out games no one wants of Steamworld Build and now Heist 2. Different communities have been split up over these various Steamworld games.

I’m a big Image and Form dude in general. I loved Dig 1 and 2 and I’d love to play Tower Defense in some capacity, but I think Heist was the first of their games to fully embrace all elements of game design and create something super special. I like Quest, but not as much as Heist, and I’m genuinely curious about Build but it’s a bit too rich for my blood. Wondering if Heist 2 will be priced similarly, as it does seem greatly expanded from the first game.

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TalkBack / Re: Indie World Announces A Dozen Future Released For The Switch

« Last post by NWR_insanolord on Today at 05:14:23 AM »

I would love to see SteamWorld Dig 3, 2 was amazing, but I'm glad they're doing Heist 2 first.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Boredom and Nintendo

« Last post by ThePerm on Today at 02:08:55 AM »

You and your boyfriends first made the claim that piracy hurts game sales before me.

Your logical fallacy is [ad hominem].

BTW, this started because you first claimed that piracy is morally correct. There's no point in discussing this further when you've Neo-dodged every criticism about the original claim.

Stealing implies someone had something taken from them. Piracy never takes the original game away from the dev, it just makes a copy. You're talking about nintendo like they're a starving indie company when they're the richest company in japan period.

Your logical fallacy is [strawman].

They have sold over 140 million switches, made over 1 billion dollars of profit on software sales and the switch is on pace to become the best selling console of all time. I think they won't lose sleep if a few million pirate their games, especially as the switch has been pirated day one.

Your logical fallacy is [special pleading].

Won't lose sleep? Nintendo literally sued Yuzu into oblivion because of people pirating Tears of the Kingdom.

If piracy hurt sales as you pretend it does, the switch would of failed.

Your (informal) logical fallacy is [false dilemma].

At least someone here comprehends how piracy preserves old games. But tbh yall sound like boomers who bought the "you wouldn't steal a car" anti piracy campaigns, and can't move on and accept that publishers do a piss poor job of providing access to their legacy titles.

LOL, no one was saying otherwise (though there's more nuance than you presented). The difference is you're the only one claiming its "morally correct".

this was the only joy I got out of my logic class.

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TalkBack / Re: Indie World Announces A Dozen Future Released For The Switch

« Last post by Khushrenada on Today at 12:54:49 AM »

Well, one of these days I may play that original and see what all the NWR hype is about. As I recall, it scored like a 9.5 or 10 when someone reviewed it back in the day.

It's been slightly amusing to me that on the NWR Discord I've seen a lot of users hyped about the news of Heist 2 whereas in another Discord channel, I've seen it shrugged off and people wondering why they won't make Steamworld Dig 3 and are just putting out games no one wants of Steamworld Build and now Heist 2. Different communities have been split up over these various Steamworld games.

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TalkBack / Re: Indie World Announces A Dozen Future Released For The Switch

« Last post by NWR_insanolord on Yesterday at 09:05:30 PM »

SteamWorld Heist 2 is extremely exciting for me. I was a huge fan of the original and had kind of given up hope of a sequel as it seemed the developer had moved on.

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TalkBack / Re: Indie World Presentation To Air April 17

« Last post by Khushrenada on Yesterday at 07:24:20 PM »

Care to elaborate? Were you expecting something like Silksong or just didn't like what was shown?

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TalkBack / Re: Indie World Presentation To Air April 17

« Last post by Dinar87 on Yesterday at 10:41:21 AM »

 

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Boredom and Nintendo

« Last post by Dinar87 on Yesterday at 10:35:20 AM »

I think we’ve come to an impasse where your definition of piracy and emulation are dissimilar to my own. I see emulation as an act of preservation, while piracy is an act of theft. The thing is already preserved, you are stealing it because you don’t want to access its method of preservation.

Where this becomes morally gray- which, despite the tendency to shout “**** nuance,” is a thing that does exist- is how that preservation is taking place. I suppose it has something to do with ownership, as well. I know disclaimers on software exist, and that they state that illegal copying and redistribution of a product can land you in legal trouble. The law of man is a self-fabricated one, however, and I think it would be better to have a discussion about what constitutes illegal redistribution, because no, I don’t think an individual distributing game that is no longer accessible on the Nintendo 3DS eShop for the purposes of emulation is piracy because you can no longer reasonably purchase that software, but yes, an individual distributing Tears of the Kingdom a week after it was released for the purposes of emulation is piracy.

If you have some counter to this mentality, I’d genuinely be curious about your reasoning, because I’m open to a discussion and I am not going to insult you for disagreeing with my interpretation.

I guess my views are (for AAA piracy) pirating and emulating old games you cannot buy (subscriptions don't count, because I cannot own my purchases, they will be taken away as soon as I stop paying) is morally ok. Pirating current gen AAA games (or old games made accessible for a fair price aka not full price for a port and not a remake) is not morally clear, but I'm unsympathetic to nintendo and big companies generally.

The World Economic Forum wants us all to "own nothing, rent everything, no privacy, eat bugs, live in pods". Combine this with ai and robots probably replacing almost all human jobs in the next few decades, and I don't have a lot of sympathy left for big companies.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Boredom and Nintendo

« Last post by Dinar87 on Yesterday at 10:30:46 AM »

I don't think it's "morally right" to pirate brand new games that are in no danger at the moment of becoming unavailable or inaccessible. I'm absolutely onboard with preserving games from previous generations however you can, but to me the line stops there.

I think for indie devs, it's morally wrong to pirate, but AAA devs it's usually ok. Nintendo's developers may be the best in gaming, but Nintendo the company are assholes a lot of the time. Despite my views, I buy AAA games instead of pirating because I want to support them. But I know that if the company can get away with screwing me as a customer, they will do that. Nintendo is not my friend.

Basically I'll support the games and buy them, but I will always keep my options open. You never know when online games will get delisted.

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Nintendo Gaming / Re: Boredom and Nintendo

« Last post by Dinar87 on Yesterday at 10:28:28 AM »

The **** happened here?

People were bored talking about Nintendo. It's on-topic. 

We (really just I) have no games to play so I'm blasting off in the forums.