Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 24, 2013, 02:34:15 AM
The only upcoming Wii U games that have already been announced and had footage shown that really appeal to the Spike audience are Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2 and Monolith Soft's X. If Nintendo was smart they'd show a new trailer for all three, especially Bayonetta 2 and X since we haven't gotten any new footage from those two since E3. Of course Nintendo doesn't always do the smart thing so who knows.
So yeah, hopefully it's something involving those games. Don't expect any totally new games unless Iwata himself will be their with a Nintendo Direct airing in Japan around the same time.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Mop it up on November 24, 2013, 03:31:38 PM
Bayonetta 2 seems like a good guess.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: TheBossGaro on November 25, 2013, 12:37:20 PM
The only upcoming Wii U games that have already been announced and had footage shown that really appeal to the Spike audience are Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2 and Monolith Soft's X. If Nintendo was smart they'd show a new trailer for all three, especially Bayonetta 2 and X since we haven't gotten any new footage from those two since E3. Of course Nintendo doesn't always do the smart thing so who knows.
So yeah, hopefully it's something involving those games. Don't expect any totally new games unless Iwata himself will be their with a Nintendo Direct airing in Japan around the same time.
Good point, I hadn't thought about that. I don't see Spike TV people caring much about LoZ, etc. Not saying there aren't any who do, but if it's strictly a Nintendo of America thing, it's not gonna be anything that hasn't even been unveiled in Japan.
Well crap. So much for that.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Ian Sane on November 25, 2013, 02:05:25 PM
If he was to drop a bomb wouldn't he just drop a Wii U? Yeah I'm going for the low hanging fruit there.
Anyway, to truly make an impact I think it needs to be a big new title for 2014 and we don't really know much about what's in store for the Wii U that year so I think it's realistic. But knowing Nintendo it will probably be something we already know about or something that just is not that exciting. This is the company that was all "wait until you see what Retro is working on" and it was just a conventional sequel to their most recent game. They're not very good at distinguishing what's exciting, particularly to the VGX type of audience.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 25, 2013, 03:55:07 PM
Reggie's HYPE train derailed years ago.
The model HYPE train set he is playing with now is far from the real Bullet HYPE Train we've been expecting to board. My expectations are soooo low, that short of a complete 180o on support and general mindshare, I don't even care anymore.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Adrock on November 25, 2013, 04:18:32 PM
Maybe Nintendo negotiated one major third party game for Wii U. Just one. And it's not exclusive.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Luigi Dude on November 25, 2013, 04:41:33 PM
When you think about it, this would be the perfect place to show Snake returning to Smash Bros. Metal Gear appeals heavily to the Spike audience as well as Smash Bros. What better way to reveal him then by showing him at an event like this. Then for the Monday update to the website, Snake's profile will be added.
Since it's looking like Sakurai wants to reveal most of the Veterans early this time, and we already got Sonic revealed, if Snake is returning then this would be the best place to reveal him.
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Post by: Ian Sane on November 25, 2013, 05:02:20 PM
When you think about it, this would be the perfect place to show Snake returning to Smash Bros. Metal Gear appeals heavily to the Spike audience as well as Smash Bros. What better way to reveal him then by showing him at an event like this. Then for the Monday update to the website, Snake's profile will be added.
Since it's looking like Sakurai wants to reveal most of the Veterans early this time, and we already got Sonic revealed, if Snake is returning then this would be the best place to reveal him.
A character from the last SSB game is also in the new one? So what? While I understand that as a third party character the logistics of Snake appearing in later SSB games was not a sure thing but this wouldn't blow my skirt up. They might as well say "a feature did not get cut". It would take a new third party SSB character to really make an impact.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: MetalMario2 on November 25, 2013, 05:05:04 PM
Unless the Wii U gets Metal Gear Solid 5, Snake can stay the hell out of SSB. Why should Nintendo give that franchise any publicity if they're not going to benefit from it?
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Ceric on November 25, 2013, 05:21:13 PM
Agree with MetalMario2.
Reggie Retiring and introducing the new Puppet.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Kytim89 on November 25, 2013, 06:52:08 PM
Lords of Shadow 2, Tomb Raider (and DLC), and MGS V will be announced for Wii U and new trailers for X, Bayonetta 2, Tropical Freeze, and Smash Brothers will be shown.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: nickmitch on November 25, 2013, 07:01:26 PM
I doubt that.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Adrock on November 25, 2013, 07:02:21 PM
Lords of Shadow 2, Tomb Raider (and DLC), and MGS V will be announced for Wii U and new trailers for X, Bayonetta 2, Tropical Freeze, and Smash Brothers will be shown.
Stop it, kytim.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Kytim89 on November 25, 2013, 07:13:17 PM
Lords of Shadow 2, Tomb Raider (and DLC), and MGS V will be announced for Wii U and new trailers for X, Bayonetta 2, Tropical Freeze, and Smash Brothers will be shown.
Stop it, kytim.
Please let me dream, Adrock.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Stogi on November 25, 2013, 07:16:59 PM
When you think about it, this would be the perfect place to show Snake returning to Smash Bros. Metal Gear appeals heavily to the Spike audience as well as Smash Bros. What better way to reveal him then by showing him at an event like this. Then for the Monday update to the website, Snake's profile will be added.
Since it's looking like Sakurai wants to reveal most of the Veterans early this time, and we already got Sonic revealed, if Snake is returning then this would be the best place to reveal him.
A character from the last SSB game is also in the new one? So what? While I understand that as a third party character the logistics of Snake appearing in later SSB games was not a sure thing but this wouldn't blow my skirt up. They might as well say "a feature did not get cut". It would take a new third party SSB character to really make an impact.
MegaMan?
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Mop it up on November 25, 2013, 07:17:13 PM
Resident Evil 5 comes to Wii U.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 25, 2013, 07:21:04 PM
I think people built Reggie up too much. Nintendo used him once or twice with really big announcements and his personality rocked and he was built up into a gaming marketing genius...and he never was that.
So now, he is just a sad figure head that has little impact on anything Nintendo. That said, I think Nintendo doesn't need to highlight a new 2014 video game. What Nintendo needs to do is aggressively get new games out that are fun and must own titles. If Nintendo can get 2-3 more must own titles on the Wii U by March that would be a good start.
Or another plan would be to fully unlock the virtual console library and have a big title for the Wii U land late Feb. early March. If Nintendo could do something like this they would have huge impact on Wii Us image. The Virtual Console literally defined the Wii as a killer app for the system. However, what should have been a continuation and solid feature for the Wii U is non-issue because it is just trickle down games again. Nintendo needs to learn to pump out those releases faster. People don't want to wait 3-5 years for an old library of games to be released...again.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: shingi_70 on November 25, 2013, 07:21:58 PM
It will be pretty funny if Tomb Raider isn't on Wii U. Its been hinted heavily that SE's announcement next month will be a port for next gen alongside a teaser for the sequel.
As far as annoucments go it's probably going to be either
Something we don't know of at all Bayonetta 2 X
I'm going with something that's core focused that we don't know about yet. Probably something in the Metroid series or another collaboration like a new Chrono game.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: ShyGuy on November 25, 2013, 07:33:37 PM
Didn't Reggie give us the Bigfoot Pizza and I love the 80's on VH1?
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: shingi_70 on November 25, 2013, 07:39:03 PM
I think people built Reggie up too much. Nintendo used him once or twice with really big announcements and his personality rocked and he was built up into a gaming marketing genius...and he never was that.
So now, he is just a sad figure head that has little impact on anything Nintendo. That said, I think Nintendo doesn't need to highlight a new 2014 video game. What Nintendo needs to do is aggressively get new games out that are fun and must own titles. If Nintendo can get 2-3 more must own titles on the Wii U by March that would be a good start.
Or another plan would be to fully unlock the virtual console library and have a big title for the Wii U land late Feb. early March. If Nintendo could do something like this they would have huge impact on Wii Us image. The Virtual Console literally defined the Wii as a killer app for the system. However, what should have been a continuation and solid feature for the Wii U is non-issue because it is just trickle down games again. Nintendo needs to learn to pump out those releases faster. People don't want to wait 3-5 years for an old library of games to be released...again.
I find reggie weird in that its obvious he's a PR mouthpiece having more in common with Major Nelson than Shu Yoshida and Phil Spencer despite his title as Vice President. (That says more of the leadership at NCL than it does about NOA to be honest). But he's always been loved by the fans.
I think reggie got worse when he found out that he became a meme and decided to try and make a meme out of every E3 or direct he's in. (I did like the skit from the last direct but that was mostly due to the play between Bill and Audrey.)
Nintendo's biggest problem is like you say getting games out there and making up for the third party support which will only get worse knowing the Xbone and PS4 sales currently.
The big problem for Nintendo was it took them a year to get out a first party game that was considered must buy and was going to shift units. Its not looking great that its going to be around four months for the other two next gen consoles to get their system sellers games out there.
So far for the first half of the year on Wii U we have Bayonetta 2 (i'm assuming but im guessing this will end up summer) child of light Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze Lego Movie Lego Hobbit Mario Kart 8 Watchdogs Wii Fit U
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Ian Sane on November 25, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
Reggie is an enthusiastic guy and that enthusiasm comes across well when Nintendo is kicking ass but looks delusional and pathetic when they're tripping over their own dicks. Phoney enthusiasm is a like a laugh track on an unfunny sitcom. Third parties are treating the Wii U like a leper and Reggie going to act like everything is awesome? It just doesn't fly.
Third parties are treating the Wii U like a leper and Reggie going to act like everything is awesome? It just doesn't fly.
This is not just Reggie. Every executive at every company is a shill for their products. No one is going to say, "Yeah, we suck balls right now." A company's product could somehow give people AIDS and every higher-up at that company would try to spin it into something positive or downplay its significance. How do you not know how this works by now? Do you really think that within the boardroom they aren't trying to find a way to improve things?
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: MetalMario2 on November 25, 2013, 08:38:24 PM
Look at Microsoft. They gave everybody metaphorical AIDS, and everybody STILL wants an Xbox One. Now that's something I just don't understand. After all the crap that Microsoft has pulled on their customers over the years, and all the crap they openly continue to pull, why are people still supporting the Xbox brand?
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Stratos on November 25, 2013, 08:51:37 PM
They brought back the Bigfoot several times. I think the last time it was the 'Panourmous'. It is just two smaller pizzas put together.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 25, 2013, 09:38:27 PM
Lords of Shadow 2, Tomb Raider (and DLC), and MGS V will be announced for Wii U and new trailers for X, Bayonetta 2, Tropical Freeze, and Smash Brothers will be shown.
Stop it, kytim.
Please let me dream, Adrock.
Because you thought it up, it will now never be.....
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2vaz7ro.jpg)
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: ShyGuy on November 25, 2013, 10:10:57 PM
You guys hate Reggie because he is black. Especially Black N Mild ;)
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 25, 2013, 10:17:37 PM
Fee Fi Fo Figga Boy I Hate A [*CENSORED*]
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: MetalMario2 on November 25, 2013, 10:37:03 PM
Reggie is black? I thought he just had a really nice tan.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: ShyGuy on November 25, 2013, 10:39:47 PM
Look at Microsoft. They gave everybody metaphorical AIDS, and everybody STILL wants an Xbox One. Now that's something I just don't understand. After all the crap that Microsoft has pulled on their customers over the years, and all the crap they openly continue to pull, why are people still supporting the Xbox brand?
Now that I find funny. With that said you'd be surprised how much goodwill Microsoft won back in such a short time. Instead of Nintendo whi stayed silent after the Wii U annoucment Microsoft made some Major moves.
-Firing Don Mattrick -Giving more promience to Phil Spencer and Phil Harrison. -The biggest and quickest 180 I've seen in gaming -Getting Chris Charla to helm the ID@Xbox program and saying all the right things.
That plus the Hype Microsoft Studios was getting pre May 21st helped the brand alot, and a ton of marketing plus the gaming media saying the system was good, alongside the mainstream media on it like bears to honey.
Nintendo was never going to be #2 this gen since they lacked a gimmick people cared about to shoot to stardom like th Wii did, and they lack the third party support to keep the system competitive with the other two boys.
I feel the biggest disadvantge Microsoft has is the price which will be cut next year and the indie space, but ID@Xbox should be going and getting parity by this time next year if not eariler.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Kytim89 on November 25, 2013, 11:25:26 PM
Reggie could be a Martian from outer space and I would still not judge him if he got me the games I wanted for my Wii U.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Mannypon on November 27, 2013, 04:26:34 AM
In an attempt to redirect this thread back on topic lol, I'll say that Nintendo has 3 games it can showcase that'll send the internet ablaze and maybe turn some heads at this VGX.
1. A trailer for the next Legend of Zelda. It has been stated before (too lazy to look up sources lol) that Nintendo were at one point going to show off a trailer for Zelda back at E3 but decided against it at the last minute. Then supposedly, a trailer for Zelda was in discussion to be shown off at Comic Con but again wasn't shown. This leads me to believe that they've been itching to show it off and should have something on file ready to be shown off. My only problem with this is that I'm not sure NCL will let that fly. Zelda has been more popular in the US as compared to Japan so you never know.
2. A actual story based trailer of X revealing its official title, the main character, and what the story is roughly about. We have seen 2 trailers for X now yet still know very little it. They basically have been graphical showpieces for Nintendo and the WiiU. I think its about time we got something more official.
3. A new Metriod fpa game being made by Retro. The previous Prime games were amazing graphically given the hardware they were on which is a credit to Retro's masterful artistry. A Metroid Prime styled game on the WiiU with Retro's artistry will go a long way in presenting a game that'll, IMO, mask the WiiU's graphical deficiencies when compared to the other 2 kids on the block. An atmospheric trailer seen through the visor of Samus in HD with some amazing lighting and I think they'll really get people talking. I think this could be done as Retro is their American studio and Metroid along with first person adventures/shooter genres are more popular here in America then in Japan.
These are my opinion on what 3 games I would like to see Nintendo announce at the VGX in order to really create a buzz. I really hope Nintendo knows what kind of show this is and what is typically revealed there. Epic trailers of massive franchises are usually revealed at this show so Nintendo can't make their first appearance there be to show off a Wii fit U trailer or a montage of what's currently out on the WiiU and rehashed videos of X/B2/and Smash Bros.
But this is Nintendo though, so all bets are off. There is an equal chance we'll get an amazing reveal to us getting squat and being left with pent up rage ready to flame Nintendo all over these boards.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2013, 08:10:53 AM
I'm not really sure X would be the best choice. It doesn't really fit the Spike TV, Doritos and Mountain Dew demographic the awards are aimed at.
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Post by: Adrock on November 27, 2013, 09:17:53 AM
If we're talking Spike TV hype (e.g. something that audience would appreciate), FPS or some open world game (possibly from Retro Studios) fits the bill. If we're talking Nintendo hype, manage your expectations. It probably won't be that spectacular. At best, it will be spectacular for a Nintendo announcement. At worst, it will be something expected that incites cricket chirps from the audience. Maybe it's something like GameCube on Virtual Console with no set date. That sounds like a Nintendo announcement that they would hype, but only Nintendo fans would care about.
I have doubts it will be a previously unannounced or unveiled first party game. This doesn't sound like the venue for it nor the audience. A port of a third party title is my guess. If I had to pick (and being as optimistic as possible): Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain. On top of that, Nintendo had to get one of their own teams (or one associated with Nintendo) to handle the port for Konami under Hideo Kojima's supervision. This would then be coupled with Snake revealed for Super Smash Bros. This is only a big deal if you only own Nintendo hardware because MGSV is coming out for everything except Vita and PC (for now).
Ultimately, I don't expect anything earth shattering. It might be a fun forum discussion but nothing that crazy.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2013, 09:41:58 AM
I guess that's the thing, the announcement really should be something trailered to the audience, but knowing Nintendo there's a very real chance it won't be.
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Post by: Stogi on November 27, 2013, 12:20:10 PM
I'm not really sure X would be the best choice. It doesn't really fit the Spike TV, Doritos and Mountain Dew demographic the awards are aimed at.
Well role playing games have typically been announced at this show such as Skyrim I believe and now I'm hearing rumors of Fallout 4 making an appearance this year. These are huge franchises but I wouldn't say they fit the Spike TV audience. Besides, I think the audience for these events just want to be wowed, regardless what type of game it is. I think Zelda, X, and Metroid are the only franchises Nintendo has that can possibly wow the audience for this type of event. Mario already wows in its own right but that's a different kind of graphics that the Spike audience will not appreciate for the most part.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2013, 03:02:47 PM
They might both be RPGs, but there's a pretty big difference between Skyrim and X. If this were ten years ago then maybe, but JRPGs are a niche genre now.
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Post by: Enner on November 27, 2013, 04:17:37 PM
If X is anything like Xenoblade, I think it can hang with the likes of Skyrim. Xenoblade is far away from what many consider a typical JRPG. Xenoblade shares more similarities with games such as World of Warcraft and X appears to follow in Xenoblade's footsteps.
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Post by: Adrock on November 27, 2013, 04:30:20 PM
X still looks like a JRPG with the anime character designs and mecha. The Spike TV audience won't know the difference especially since maybe like two people in the audience will have played it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2013, 04:32:23 PM
I'm sure it's different but we're talking about at most a two minute trailer. They can't show enough to make that case.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on November 27, 2013, 04:35:15 PM
X looks like it's trying to appeal even more to the West then Xenoblade did. The setting so far and character designs have a much darker and realistic look to them that's more Western looking then Xenoblade's did. There's also the fact in the original Nintendo Direct trailer it shows characters fighting with several different types of guns including a machine gun of some kind.
An open world game with machine guns, that sounds like something the Spike audience would be interested in right there. Showing a trailer for it on Spike is bound to get some of the audience attention which even if it isn't a lot, is still better then not even trying at all.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 27, 2013, 04:41:19 PM
X can be that game but I still doubt JRPGs coming back strong until we see a game that blends JRPG and WRPG conventions.
Plus who would have thought that Skyrim would have been as big of a mainstream hit as it was.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2013, 04:44:42 PM
Even if it would appeal to the audience, it wouldn't do so as much as Bayonetta 2 or Smash Bros. Those are known commodities, more familiar to the kind of people who are watching.
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Post by: Shaymin on November 27, 2013, 09:13:18 PM
That would be a really roundabout way of buying Atlus... but I'd allow it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2013, 10:43:39 PM
They would just be trying to cash in on the sales monster that will be Shenmue 3.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 27, 2013, 11:28:40 PM
If Nintendo had the balls to buy Sega and get all of Sega's wonderful IPs and some development studios and resources I would be extremely happy.
But it will never happen. If it did happen, Nintendo would basically own classic gaming nostalgia for the rest of infinity. and I would be OK with that.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 27, 2013, 11:45:45 PM
I think if Nintendo were going to buy Sega it would have happened by now. They've expressed reluctance to buy any studios lately, so I can't imagine one with as much baggage as Sega would be desirable to them.
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 28, 2013, 12:52:12 AM
I am surprised that Nintendo passed on buying Atlus. Although considering the money that has eluded Nintendo's grasp in the last few years would put their investors in a position where buying new companies would be difficult to explain. Although Nintendo should have bought Vigil Games, but I guess they figure that it is cheaper to have autonomous companies work for them in a similar manner to Monster and Next Level Games.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 28, 2013, 01:01:06 AM
Nintendo's profits have been down the last few years, but they have a ridiculous amount of money in the bank. They would have no trouble buying pretty much any Japanese developer, and most Western ones.
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 28, 2013, 01:11:37 AM
Nintendo's profits have been down the last few years, but they have a ridiculous amount of money in the bank. They would have no trouble buying pretty much any Japanese developer, and most Western ones.
I am not sure what Nintendo has in the works behind the scenes for the Wii U, but every first and second party company they deal with needs to have a Wii U game ready throughout next year.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 28, 2013, 01:28:35 AM
That's really not a good idea, because that would mean nothing in 2015. They need good support, but they need to be ready for the future.
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Post by: Adrock on November 28, 2013, 01:29:40 AM
I am surprised that Nintendo passed on buying Atlus.
Of course you are. Nintendo didn't buy Atlus because seriously, why would they buy Atlus? For their mostly niche IPs? Nintendo would snag Persona, a mostly Playstation centric series, but is it worth $140 million to stick it to Sony? There are a number of other companies that Nintendo could have gone after over the years which would have yielded much stronger IPs than Atlus (now Sega) has and they just didn't. Nintendo typically doesn't acquire companies. If anything, I would have been surprised if they had bought Atlus because it would have been out of the ordinary for them.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 28, 2013, 01:40:01 AM
I don't think buying Atlus would have been too bad of an idea, but I really doubt, despite all the fans wanting it, that Nintendo ever even really considered it.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 28, 2013, 02:19:49 AM
Going back to the idea of Nintendo buying Sega, I'd argue it makes no sense. As crazy as it would have seemed 20 years ago, Nintendo and Sega are pretty much the best of friends. I don't think there's another third party publisher that Nintendo's closer with. Sega's already giving a lot of support to Nintendo, and with stuff like Mario & Sonic at the Olympics they've shown their willing to share IPs. Your dream Nintendo/Sega crossover, a Monolith-developed Skies of Arcadia or Shenmue 3 on Wii U or whatever, would still be perfectly possible without Nintendo spending a ton of money to buy them. The funny thing is Atlus exclusivity would probably the biggest benefit to doing it.
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Post by: Adrock on November 28, 2013, 01:40:41 PM
If Nintendo bought Atlus, wouldn't we all be worried that Nintendo of America wouldn't bring over any of Atlus' games?
In hindsight, you can make the argument Nintendo buying Sega wouldn't make sense since Sega is offering a lot of support today. Then again, you can also make the argument that Nintendo would have all of Sega's IPs geared toward older audiences which Sega hasn't released on Nintendo hardware as a third party. However, it should be noted that Sega may not have released those titles anyway if they were owned by Nintendo.
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Post by: shingi_70 on November 28, 2013, 02:56:55 PM
I'm almost certain that if Nintendo had bid for Atlus Sony would have went out of their way to outbid them and gain control of the studio. I feel the reason neither bid on Atlus was because we had only heard of third parties like Gung Ho and Sega in the bidding process.
Sega isn't as bad off as people like to say its just their output isn't as console or retail centric as it was once upon of time. The company is really focused on a few markets being handhelds, PC, Digital content, and a few big retail releases a year like Sonic and Yakuza. I'm not even sure what Nintendo would know what to do with the PC branch of sega .
More on topic the game confrimed for VGX thus far are
The Witcher 3 Titanfall Quantum Break
I'm just going to go with a new Zelda reveal.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 28, 2013, 02:57:12 PM
There's also the fact that Sega's fairly prolific as a publisher of games made by other developers, and if Nintendo bought them those would most likely go away. Nintendo doesn't get that many if those anyway, but there's likely more chance of getting them from Sega than from anybody else.
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Post by: the asylum on November 28, 2013, 08:20:09 PM
Nintendo's not buying anyone, guys, not with the kind of money they're bleeding at present.
Now if they REALLY wanted to make waves, they'd blow the lid off of their (possible) new IP. I don't see that happening at VGX though, or anytime soon for that matter
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Post by: Kytim89 on November 28, 2013, 09:31:51 PM
The only reason I wanted Nintendo to buy SEGA is secure their IPs to Nintendo consoles. The Virtual Console is a good service, and the backbone of the service besides Nintendo is SEGA. To me the Virtual Console wou7ld not be the same if Genesis titles were no longer available to be purchased from the store.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 28, 2013, 09:56:22 PM
Sega supported the Wii VC better than Nintendo did.
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Post by: Khushrenada on November 29, 2013, 12:14:10 AM
Ha ha ha. Funny but kind of true. As much as people complain about Nintendo trying to sell us the same old games over and over, I think Sega has edged them out on that regard since they can appear on any device and aren't afraid to put their stuff all over 'em.
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Post by: nickmitch on November 29, 2013, 01:49:16 AM
I think Nintendo would really only buy Sega if Sega went to Nintendo first. They'd have to be in deep **** with another, less desirable buyer knocking at the door.
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Post by: King of Twitch on November 29, 2013, 10:50:20 PM
ya right, then they'd have to put the Nintendo Seal of Quality on a Sega game
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 29, 2013, 11:15:29 PM
They stopped using the "Nintendo Seal of Quality" a long time ago, now it's just the "Official Nintendo Seal" that goes on all licensed products.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on November 29, 2013, 11:21:02 PM
Even the famously uncaring Nintendo couldn't live with putting the word quality on some of those games.
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Post by: King of Twitch on November 29, 2013, 11:48:50 PM
They stopped using the "Nintendo Seal of Quality" a long time ago, now it's just the "Official Nintendo Seal" that goes on all licensed products.
Seal of Nerd for this guy^
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Post by: Khushrenada on November 30, 2013, 12:29:20 AM
Even the famously uncaring Zap couldn't live with putting the word quality on some of Brandogg's posts.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 30, 2013, 01:07:45 AM
Damn. Burn for me.
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Post by: ThePerm on November 30, 2013, 02:47:28 PM
I think Nintendo buying Sega makes about as much sense as Disney buying Marvel and Star Wars. In which case Nintendo should buy Capcom too.
The only reason Nintendo should do this is to pick up IP and keep them exclusive.
When Sony entered the business and then later Microsoft neither had any IPs, but now both groups have just as many as Nintendo and then on top of that get more exclusive third party games. The only way to counter this is to get more exclusives. The easiest way to do this is to buy some IPs. Nintendo has tried to create other IPs, but its a spaghetti sticking on the wall problem.
would Nintendo do this. Unlikely. It would however set Nintendo up for future long term success.
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Post by: Stratos on November 30, 2013, 05:58:47 PM
Another problem is that Sony and Microsoft IPs only gain momentum and popularity as they get older. Some IPs of theirs are past the decade marker and so they can begin to leverage the nostalgia factor much like Nintendo has been doing for so long. Nintendo could begin to burn out their character's popularity and suffer from over-saturation. Younger IPs don't suffer from those issues as much.
Though a problem both Sony and Microsoft have are the fact it IS 3rd parties that carry the majority of the appeal on their consoles. Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy and others are not trapped on any particular system so they can easily defect to another if they wanted and the grass became green enough.
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Post by: Arbok on November 30, 2013, 09:20:48 PM
I think Nintendo buying Sega makes about as much sense as Disney buying Marvel and Star Wars. In which case Nintendo should buy Capcom too.
Buying Sega doesn't make much sense... buying Capcom makes a lot of sense.
Outside of Sonic, Sega doesn't have nearly the brand recognition that Street Fighter, Mega Man and Resident Evil have (plus Monster Hunter in Japan). The purchase would really diversify their portfolio, and a lot of Capcom's franchises have a strong following of their own.
Will they do it? No, but Capcom makes the most sense if they were going to go after a major publisher from Japan.
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Post by: Adrock on November 30, 2013, 10:14:50 PM
Buying Sega today makes a lot less sense than buying them when Sega discontinued Dreamcast and went third party. Back then, Sega still had some artistic integrity and many of their franchises weren't mothballed yet. Plus, we weren't far removed from the 16-but wars. That was the best time to take advantage of crossovers. There's still value in buying Sega if Nintendo wanted to go that route.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 01, 2013, 03:51:40 AM
The Sega that would have been worthy of buying wouldn't have put itself in a position to be bought. Nintendo would have had to really overpay, something I don't imagine Nintendo would ever be inclined to do, to get them back then. The same reasons they're not worth buying now are why it would be realistic to do so.
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Post by: Ron-F on December 01, 2013, 08:54:45 AM
Nintendo gains very little buying SEGA, although I can see some merit in acquiring CAPCOM.
Regarding Reggie's Bomb, I don't expect anything worth of watching that show.
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Post by: Adrock on December 01, 2013, 11:22:30 AM
The Sega that would have been worthy of buying wouldn't have put itself in a position to be bought. Nintendo would have had to really overpay, something I don't imagine Nintendo would ever be inclined to do, to get them back then. The same reasons they're not worth buying now are why it would be realistic to do so.
I disagree. Sega's software divisions weren't the reason their hardware failed. Their IPs and the teams themselves would be the entire point of any Sega acquisition. This is, of course, said under the presumption that we are discussing scenario where Sega wanted to be bought by Nintendo because Nintendo wouldn't acquire a company if they weren't sure they were also getting the talent too. Most, if not all, upper level management on the non-development side would likely get laid off in such a situation, not only because Nintendo has people to take care of that, but also because Sega's people clearly had no idea what they were doing. Nintendo doesn't need another company's IPs, but if any company can exploit the popularity of a variety of franchises, it's Nintendo.
Most acquisitions are overpaid. They wouldn't be for sale otherwise. The entire idea is to pay upfront and make it back later. Would Nintendo do that? In most cases, no. Nintendo probably overpaid for Monolith Software based on their output and operating cost versus revenue since being acquired. I still consider that acquisition worthwhile because Nintendo got a talented team that covers a need (e.g. games Nintendo typically does not make themselves).
If I remember correctly, Nintendo apparently didn't buy Sega in 2001/2002 because they didn't want to assume Sega's debt which isn't terribly surprising for typically frugal Nintendo. If the purpose of buying a company is to use that company for greater profits in the future, I think Nintendo could have made that happen, probably mostly though Virtual Console alone (taking into account Wii would have been the only way to legally play Sega's entire back catalog). It just would have taken a lot longer than their other acquisitions since Sega is much larger. Having all those additional teams with established IPs to work on would help a Nintendo that still struggles with software droughts today.
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Post by: Stratos on December 01, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
If you think about it, Nintendo buying Sega in the early 2000's could have been a console war game-changer. That would have united both the Sega and Nintendo fans and potentially brought the install base up enough for them to become number one. And the biggest challenge for Nintendo-3rd party relations the last decade or more has been the low install base of core-players. Where they go, 3rd parties will follow.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 01, 2013, 03:38:22 PM
Didn't Sega merge with Sammy? At this point, I don't think Sega could be bought as a separate entity, Nintendo would have to buy SegaSammy and that would be too expensive.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 01, 2013, 04:45:21 PM
Not if Sammy was willing to part with the SEGA portion.
Sammy turned them around (debt-wise), but I don't know what their current situation is regarding profitability. The IP grab from Sega might be nice, but the IP grab from Capcom would be more excitable amongst the targeted userbase.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 01, 2013, 07:06:31 PM
Even if Nintendo was to buy Sega, and all their development teams and assets...it does not mean more games will instantly be developed. You still have to afford to pay all the teams developing those games. And 4-5 additional studios developing big games is expensive.
It would a huge boon for Nintendo to do this. Even if the talent from Sega eventually left, the assets from known franchises would still be there. And a Mario/Sonic platformer would be the biggest game in the world.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 02, 2013, 02:46:34 PM
What if Nintendo bought Tecmo Koei?
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Post by: Mannypon on December 02, 2013, 09:10:08 PM
Nintendo should just buy Squareenix and Capcom so they can lock up Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Monster Hunter. With that trinity they'll secure the motherland with an iron grip lol.
Now that I've contributed to the side convo lol, is there anyway to add a poll to this thread with options like...Reggie will reveal....
1. that Mario 3d World is out and we should buy it 2. some throw away ridiculous reveal that's so funny that it hurts and scares yet might even be true lol 3. an official X trailer 4. a Zelda tease 5. a Metroid tease 6. something else.
Or something to that affect lol. you get my drift lol.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 03, 2013, 12:04:14 AM
Square-Enix is still way too big to be bought at this point.
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Post by: Mannypon on December 04, 2013, 12:09:25 AM
Well a couple of updates that may or may not have anything to do with this Saturday. Reggie has been at the helm of Nintendo's twitter account and Instagram it seems today. A lot of the things he has posted has caught my attention. Here is a roundup of what I've seen.
Nintendo's instagram page. If you take a look at the pics posted from today, there seem to be a lot of Zelda references. There are 2 pictures of Ganon and one a video of Reggie's master sword replica. There is also a picture of a folder with a 3ds on top of it which Reggie says
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We have big plans in store for 2014, and I can’t wait to share with you what’s in this folder! #Regginator
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. These pictures from today's "TweetUp" have been posted. I found them at Neogaf so I thought I'd share. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bam4f51CIAEYLbA.jpg:large) (https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q85/1471915_10152088005032812_453063239_n.jpg)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Here is a tweet sent out by a Holly Bowen who was attending this event. I'm not familiar with her but since she's there, I figured its relevant.
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Reggie said his VGX appearance will not be prerecorded. Not giving up any hints, though. #ImWithReggie (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ImWithReggie&src=hash)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, looking at all this, one can reach many conclusions which again, may or may not mean anything. There is a lot of Zelda fanfare here but is it because Zelda just released on the 3ds? Is it because he is hinting at revealing something Zelda related on Saturday? or Is it that Reggie wants to troll us extra hard? Its anyone's guess.
At the instragram, you can see pictures of them playing the new DKC and a video of someone playing WiiSports Golf. Hopefully neither of these are an indication of what we'll be seeing come Saturday but who knows. Hopefully that is saved for a NintendoDirect.
Finally, the tweet regarding Reggie's appearance not being prerecorded is strange. The whole show is prerecorded so why would Reggie choose to do something live? Does he not want to risk whatever he is planning to announce or show getting leaked early by word of mouth? Again, who knows.
And finally, its only fitting that I throw a wrench into the whole discussion as if it wasn't already a mystery bag of assumptions.
This site says "new WiiU title to be revealed at VGX" and then quotes an official press release by Nintendo as stating "a new look at an upcoming Wii U (http://www.examiner.com/topic/wii-u) game".
So there you have it, it seems like it'll be another look at an already revealed game (hopefully X :) lol) This seems like the best bet but then again, there seems to be so much other things that could leave you to believe it could be something more. All in all, this Saturday will be interesting one way or another.
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Post by: azeke on December 04, 2013, 12:16:06 AM
That Z logo with a sword, is that new? I don't think i ever saw it before.
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Post by: Mannypon on December 04, 2013, 12:33:50 AM
I've never seen it before but I'm not up to speed on all Zelda logos, specially on attire lol. Looks sweet though.
Here's one last nugget before I head off to bed. Hope to find this thread a blazing with convo tomorrow after the late night dinner spread I've left you all lol.
In a response to someone asking whether the reveal is of a new game or one we've heard of, here is what Geoff Keighley had to say
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You've got to ask Reggie that one. He's personally coming to deliver the world premiere.
and then soon after, confirming the fact that he won't be prerecorded
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Post by: Enner on December 04, 2013, 01:12:37 AM
The VGX show is streamed live on Gametrailers.com and such, I think.
As for what Reggie is going to show, I'm mentally preparing myself for a Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze trailer in the hopes that I will be pleasantly surprised.
Given comments on the Wii U Zelda, a trailer or tease of that game is a good bet at this point.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 04, 2013, 05:39:37 AM
It's probably Zelda because they have to figure out how to rile up the base somehow. The core user group and general fan base of Nintendo are all in a waiting pattern right now. Wake us up. Get us exited about something. I'm sure it's not too late to make this not look like a total massacre.
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Post by: Shaymin on December 04, 2013, 09:07:44 AM
Everyone just relax, keep calm, and root for one of these to hit VGX: (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/dragonmick/asteroid-hits-earth-2_zps2654eb61.jpg) (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/dragonmick/media/asteroid-hits-earth-2_zps2654eb61.jpg.html) Source: howstuffworks.com
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Post by: UncleBob on December 04, 2013, 09:59:56 AM
What I'm wondering is... why hasn't Reggie (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=7583) stopped by here to run his presentation by us? :D
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Post by: Mannypon on December 04, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
I just thought of the most epic trailer they could show for Zelda. This may be a bit offputting for some Zelda fans because its a complete departure from what we typically know from the series.
Imagine if Nintendo, UbiSoft and Woodkid teamed up to create a Zelda trailer similar to Assassin's Creed Revelations E3 trailer.
Imagine the trailer showing Link being captured by Ganon and being brought up to hanged in front of Hyrule Castle. Sheik can be seeing walking amonst the crowd incognito. Right before Ganon has Link ready to take the plunge, Sheik pulls off her cloak to unveil a bow where she proceeds to shoot the rope attached to Link and quickly throws Link a sword. The trailer ends with Link and Ganon clashing swords all the while Woodkid's Iron is playing throughout the trailer.
Here's Revelation's trailer for reference for those that haven't seen it. (my fav trailer of all time) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMsbMK9Odoc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMsbMK9Odoc)
Here's the original video for Woodkid's song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSkb0kDacjs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSkb0kDacjs)
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Post by: Luigi Dude on December 04, 2013, 03:42:58 PM
Well showing the new Wii U Zelda would be a huge move at the VGX, this is Nintendo we're talking about. This is still the kind of game they'll probably wait until E3 to show. They had no problem showing footage for X and Yoshi last January, but still waited until E3 to show Mario 3D World or Mario Kart 8. They love to hold off until E3 to reveal their big games for the first time.
It would be nice if they'd finally break this stupid rule but this is what they've done for a long time now. This is why I'd still keep my expectations for Smash Bros or Bayonetta 2 since both have already been revealed and appeal the most to Spikes audience.
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Post by: Mannypon on December 04, 2013, 03:46:09 PM
The only problem I see with Beyonetta 2 is that we've seen full on video of practically a complete stage. What more can we see for that game. X would be the most logical in my eyes given that it has yet to get a proper reveal. From what we have seen, the game looks ready for a full on blow out trailer. A nice cinematic trailer showcasing the name, characters, theme, and release date is perfect for this show.
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Post by: ShyGuy on December 04, 2013, 04:07:25 PM
Cranky Kong reveal Trailer ...and Shenmue 3 Wii U Exclusive.
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Post by: Mannypon on December 04, 2013, 11:38:01 PM
If we're getting Shenmue 3 then you have to have Skies of Arcadia in there too. Its criminal that we haven't had a sequel for that yet.
This just got me thinking, since Nintendo put money out to get Beyonetta 2 developed, I wish they would go out and fund sequals for other forgotten cult classics. Secretly I just really want another mainline Suikoden on a home console. Come on Nintendo, throw Konami a little cash and make this happen.
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Post by: Khushrenada on December 05, 2013, 12:52:43 AM
Wii U's secret weapon. Sequels to cult classics.
Pikmin 3 Bayonetta 2 Shenmue 3 Beyond Good and Evil 2 Eternal Darkness 2 Star Tropics 3 Skies of Arcadia 2 Phantasy Star 5 Mother 4 Too Human 2
Wii U is going to be the hardcore of hardcore!
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Post by: Mannypon on December 05, 2013, 01:06:16 AM
I don't know about pikmin on that list lol but can you imagine how butthurt gamers will be if Nintendo would to take this approach lol. People flipped their lids when Beyonetta 2 was announced as an exclusive lol.
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Post by: Spak-Spang on December 05, 2013, 01:20:58 AM
Pikmin 3 Bayonetta 2 Shenmue 3 Beyond Good and Evil 2 Eternal Darkness 2 Star Tropics 3 Skies of Arcadia 2 Phantasy Star 5 Mother 4 Too Human 2
Wii U is going to be the hardcore of hardcore!
You know what, if Nintendo did this I could it them being very successful. But lets take Too Human 2 off the list and get another Jet Grind Radio. Wii Mote + Spray Can action for the win.
Also don't forget
Battalion Wars 3, Chibi Robot Wii U Control (with real robot toy) Pokemon Snap U Mario Paints U
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Post by: Mannypon on December 05, 2013, 03:31:26 AM
Mario Paint lol, damn, that's taking me back a ways lol. That game was magical for me lol. Since I didn't have a computer at the time of that release, Mario Paint was just something else for me. I still remember me and my friend making animated pornos to the backdrop of some shoddy music we made lol. Oh, and who can forget the fly swatting game. Nintendo is pure gold lol.
EDIT: See, now you made me go look it up on youtube to kickstart the nostalgia lol. Just listen to that music man. Its like I'm a child again lol. Looking back, I'm getting some deep Earthbound vibes from the majority of the menu music and sound affects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyDRT4vjr_E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyDRT4vjr_E)
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Post by: alegoicoe on December 05, 2013, 03:44:59 AM
gta 5 with exclusive dlc
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Post by: Mannypon on December 05, 2013, 03:58:41 AM
And by dlc you mean Mario, Luigi, and Peach outfits for your 3 main characters lol. You know Trevor will rock that Peach outfit and still look demented lol.
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Post by: alegoicoe on December 05, 2013, 10:53:32 PM
nba street style
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Post by: UncleBob on December 06, 2013, 03:27:48 AM
Everyone getting hyped up out this, prepare to be let down.
Everyone blowing this off, prepare for the second coming.
:D
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Post by: MagicCow64 on December 06, 2013, 04:16:20 AM
I would be pretty shocked if this was a new game reveal. I mean, what could that even be? Retro hasn't had time to prepare a press-worthy post-DK project; 3D World and Wii Fit U just came out; Pikmin 3 team can't be ready for a new game tease; Mario Kart, Bayonetta 2, Yarn Yoshi, 3DS Kirby, X, and Smash Bros. are relatively known unknowns; perpetually upcoming Zelda is an acknowledged constant. My bet is new Smash footage with a somewhat surprising character reveal.
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Post by: broodwars on December 06, 2013, 07:01:50 AM
The fact that Reggie has been referring to this reveal as a "fresh look" (or some similar vernacular) makes me think they're just going to show off Cranky Kong in Donkey Kong Country: Banana Slamma and probably Bayonetta 2. Smash Bros. is still too far off, and there really aren't any new characters they could reveal that would make a major impression against so many actual game reveals at the event. I just don't see Zelda or X making an appearance at this event, nor SMT x Fire Emblem. Two of those are too early in development, console Zeldas practically live off their E3 reveals, and I just don't see Nintendo having enough confidence in X to release a substantial trailer for it at this event.
We won't see a new Nintendo game reveal at this show, not when Nintendo can't control every aspect of the unveiling and the messaging.
Ultimately, whatever Nintendo shows can only underwhelm people. This isn't the kind of event where Nintendo would drop a megaton. For that, we'll probably have to wait for the Q1 2014 Nintendo Directs and E3 itself.
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Post by: MagicCow64 on December 06, 2013, 02:16:47 PM
Man, a Cranky Kong reveal trailer would be pretty embarrassing as a tentpole of the presentation. Especially given that leaked box art that basically already confirmed it. But then again, they were super coy about Tropical Freeze in the first place, leading to lots of curdled plasma in the fanbase.
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Post by: Stratos on December 06, 2013, 03:21:35 PM
Pikmin 3 Bayonetta 2 Shenmue 3 Beyond Good and Evil 2 Eternal Darkness 2 Star Tropics 3 Skies of Arcadia 2 Phantasy Star 5 Mother 4 Too Human 2
Wii U is going to be the hardcore of hardcore!
You know what, if Nintendo did this I could it them being very successful. But lets take Too Human 2 off the list and get another Jet Grind Radio. Wii Mote + Spray Can action for the win.
Also don't forget
Battalion Wars 3, Chibi Robot Wii U Control (with real robot toy) Pokemon Snap U Mario Paints U
I would be super satisfied with a release lineup like this over the next year or two. BG&E 2 and Skies of Arcadia 2 especially.
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Post by: Ian Sane on December 06, 2013, 03:29:53 PM
As broodwars pointed out, Reggie's wording suggests that it is nothing new so I expect a new trailer for a product we already know about.
If it is DKC, man, Nintendo really sucks at PR. That game is already associated with an underwhelming announcement. Does Reggie realize that all the secretive hype about Retro's new game created massive backlash when the game turned out to be the most conventional thing it could be, something so predictable that no one would ever guess it as the payoff for how Nintendo built it up? DKC is not what anyone tuning into VGX just to hear this announcement is going to want to see. If anything it would be the same audience that was disappointed in the game's reveal getting "tricked" by Reggie's misplaced hype again.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 06, 2013, 10:52:32 PM
A new Power Stone would be pretty sweet.
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Post by: Bizzy_Fatso on December 07, 2013, 07:57:11 AM
Oh Nintendo - you're so good at building up excitement and then letting everyone down! lol
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Post by: Shaymin on December 07, 2013, 08:18:31 AM
So all that does is let the "New Metroid/F-Zero/dudebro shooter" crowd down gently. A previously announced game covers everything from the physical version of Wii Fit U to X and Zelda.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 07, 2013, 11:59:51 AM
It'll probably be DK, but I hope it won't be since Reggie really needs to show something that wil relate to that crowd.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2013, 01:24:24 PM
Nintendo Land 2: Nintendo Land Resort. It now includes a DKCR mini game with Cranky Kong DLC to come in 2 years.
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Post by: broodwars on December 07, 2013, 01:29:49 PM
So apparently it's been confirmed that Reggie's big thing is just a demo (http://www.spike.com/vgx), likely for Donkey Kong Country: Banana Slamma. The only bomb being dropped is Nintendo's stock price. Congratulations, Nintendo, on being so totally predictable.
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Post by: XavierMike on December 07, 2013, 01:46:53 PM
Too bad. I'm still hoping for a Smash release date.
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Post by: bustin98 on December 07, 2013, 06:39:05 PM
Meh, Cranky Kong reveal. Oh well.
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Post by: Stratos on December 07, 2013, 06:43:26 PM
That was all? Wow, I'm happy and all because he is my favorite DK character, but that is rather underwhelming for an award show.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 07, 2013, 06:47:59 PM
The Cranky Kong reveal was not worth the hype.
It's also just plain unfortunate that the announcement was already leaked, but I guess you can't do much about it after the fact.
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Post by: TheBossGaro on December 07, 2013, 07:16:03 PM
I... don't even... Cranky Kong? That's what all the hullabaloo has been for? Really? I mean, fine, he's a playable character, but did we really need two weeks of hype for that? I love Nintendo games, but I will never understand their marketing strategy, or lack thereof.
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Post by: Shaymin on December 07, 2013, 07:21:50 PM
Given the content of the rest of the show, being disappointing probably means Nintendo comes across the best.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2013, 07:22:07 PM
So glad I forgot to DVR that ****. That's pathetic.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2013, 07:44:19 PM
Errr...it's not on TV? Spike is showing a rerun of COPS instead? Awesome.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Shaymin on December 07, 2013, 08:21:22 PM
There's an edited version later, but given that this show included banderas.gif, PewDiePie and transphobia....
To make it clear: Jim Sterling's rendition of the show on Twitter is LESS offensive than the show itself.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2013, 08:24:11 PM
They kept making Spartan do the Banderas before the Sony Nazis took the Playroom off of Twitch streams :(
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Neifirst on December 07, 2013, 08:27:09 PM
Maybe I've missed it, but how has nobody mentioned Reggie wearing the Samus Aran lapel pin while appearing with an employee of Retro Studios. They even talked about it with Keighley! That's pretty big news, even though there was no official confirmation yet.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2013, 08:28:25 PM
Wow, that guy's Twitter feed is hilarious.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Adrock on December 07, 2013, 08:32:35 PM
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze still looks amazing. I mentally prepared for this announcement and managed my expectations accordingly. It's not really the audience for this kind of game, but screw them, I enjoyed the new info.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Caliban on December 07, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
I was hoping Reggie would drop a fist on Geoff Keighley.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 07, 2013, 09:00:56 PM
This is the day the music died.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Shorty McNostril on December 07, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
Is this the right time to head over to the optimism thread?
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: broodwars on December 08, 2013, 12:05:12 AM
Here's a link to the livestream if you're watching it tonight like I am right now (while stabbing dudes in Assassin's Creed 4, also known as "synergy"): link (http://www.gameinformer.com/p/livestream.aspx).
Apparently Keighly made fun of Reggie on the air for only showing off an underwhelming reveal to an underwhelming announcement for an underwhelming game. I'm looking forward to seeing that.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Adrock on December 08, 2013, 12:30:26 AM
Underwhelming game... You shut your whore mouth.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: broodwars on December 08, 2013, 12:35:31 AM
It's a game no one asked for, so yes I'm going to call it an "underwhelming game." I wasn't exactly seeing Tears of Joy for it after its original announcement, nor tonight with this reveal.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 08, 2013, 12:40:21 AM
Whether or not it's what we wanted Retro to be doing, I have no doubt it will be one of the best games released on any platform in 2014.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Adrock on December 08, 2013, 12:41:03 AM
I was joking. I don't care if you find it underwhelming.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Khushrenada on December 08, 2013, 12:43:19 AM
Whether or not it's what we wanted Retro to be doing, I have no doubt it will be one of the best games released on any platform in 2014.
Nope. X is relasing next year.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 08, 2013, 01:22:42 AM
If you were able to read, you'd have seen that I said "one of," which would imply that it would be among at least several games at the top. Also, I highly doubt I'll like X better than DKC.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Oblivion on December 08, 2013, 01:34:15 AM
You're a fucking asshole.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: NWR_insanolord on December 08, 2013, 01:37:00 AM
Yet again, you can dish out the obnoxiousness but can't take any in return. If you're going to make a snide remark you'd better be sure you've got the details right or you're just opening yourself up for retaliation.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Oblivion on December 08, 2013, 01:49:55 AM
How in the fucking world was that a snide remark? I said you were wrong. I said why. If I was wrong (for something that wasn't a snide remark, just you wrongly thinking it was) that doesn't deserve the bullshit you just pulled.
Jesus Christ. I'm getting sick of this ****.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: UncleBob on December 08, 2013, 01:51:59 AM
He has had a previous warning about using similar words as insults combined with multiple warnings about personal attacks on other users. The forum quite simply doesn't need this.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Adrock on December 08, 2013, 02:16:08 AM
More importantly, I'm super excited about Tropical Freeze regardless of how anti-climactic this announcement was. Next year is such a boner for Wii U.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: ejamer on December 08, 2013, 01:40:52 PM
I'm sure that Tropical Freeze will be a good game, and that some people will love the whole Cranky Kong thing... but wow. This was really the "big reveal"? On the upside, it's not like Nintendo had any face left to lose with the core crowd that probably were watching...
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 08, 2013, 01:54:02 PM
As I've said earlier in the thread, Reggie's Hype Train derailed years ago.
They are so out of touch with what the core gaming audience is clamoring for that they think a new Donkey Kong game, and not even that, but a new character in a Donkey Kong game we already weren't all that excited about, is gonna get the gaming media all up in a frenzy for more details. This was clearly the wrong audience for this news.
Maybe if Retro was working on something that was more reflective of the talent currently working there, or if this had been the teaser for the New Zelda, a complete blow out for X, a new Metroid adventure from Retro, a teaser for a revived IP, like the speculated StarTropics by Retro, then maybe there was something to HYPE (for this audience).
But this is more the boy crying wolf, and why I stopped paying attention. I just had to accept that as a early 30 something Nintendo fan that grew up Nintendo, Nintendo simply isn't talking to me the majority of the time anymore.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: bustin98 on December 08, 2013, 03:43:33 PM
It could be said that Nintendo sees 'core' as 'core Nintendo fans' rather than a more generic gaming fan. But, as seen in the last couple of generations, core Nintendo fans do not spread the wealth. They buy Nintendo products. And it could be argued that many gamers have at least two consoles and their 3rd party money goes to that other system. Except we've seen so many quality exclusive 3rd party games flop on Nintendo systems that it gives the impression that Nintendo is the home of the frugal gamer.
There is of course, one logical conclusion: Nintendo wants to only have 20 million or so consoles sold per generation. They know their market penetration, they know how favorable or unfavorable they appear to the loud mouths on the Internet.
Nintendo is systematically and deliberately communicating a particular message. And this message is weeding out those that Nintendo does not want to do business with. Nintendo sells toys, not entertainment systems. And they are kicking and fighting all the way to stop from selling entertainment systems, probably because: they don't have the experienced staff to provide such a system; and the backbone and upkeep on such systems is tremendous, which is why Microsoft and Sony are charging for their online services.
What's difficult for us is that Microsoft and Sony are changing the metric upon how we judge gaming as a hobby. It's easy to lump Nintendo in with MS and Sony because they all basically do the same thing. I know I want Nintendo to step up to bat and directly compete, but it's not their business plan. All they want to do is make money with as little effort as possible. Not saying that making games is not hard. They do that very well. It's the bells and whistles beyond the games. They don't have a way to monetize that effort in a meaningful way that promotes their basic message.
Some of us, including me, need to accept this fact, understand that Nintendo does things for a purpose, and that even though we do not comprehend the purpose all of our dialogue on the Internet is not going to sway Nintendo to our way of thinking.
I would also say that there are 3rd parties that listen to fans, and have tried to get Nintendo "in-line" with the rest of the industry, and failed. This I believe is the biggest reason there is a lack of support for the WiiU, and will continue to decline for each generation after. And makes certain companies' focus on mobile so odd, because mobile systems are so close to gaming toys rather than serious gaming systems, while also would seem that Nintendo would be a great fit. Except that Nintendo would have to make their own smart phone to control the environment in which their games exist and to make sure no one else profits from their games.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Mop it up on December 08, 2013, 03:56:27 PM
Expected/10
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 09, 2013, 01:45:02 PM
Even if Cranky Kong had not been leaked before this announcement would be seen as an incredibly lame letdown not even worth the slightest build up whatsoever. One would perhaps be shocked at how completely out-of-touch Nintendo can be to even think for a second that anyone would find this announcement exciting but then their console is bombing. If they can't figure out the big stuff like making a console that people actually want to buy then how will they get even the slightest little stuff right.
Though it will likely review well I wonder how the new DKC will sell. This was NOT the game we wanted from Retro at all and who is buying a Wii U beyond the Nintendo faithful? GTA Chinatown Wars and the Dead Space Extraction both reviewed well but were associated with hostile "**** you, this isn't what we wanted!" reactions to their reveals and both sold like ****. Nothing pisses off a Nintendo fan more than letting us think we're getting something we actually want and then pulling the rug out from under us.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Adrock on December 09, 2013, 02:46:18 PM
That sounds like: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you again."
Manage your expectations. I thought that this would have been a third party port as a best case scenario. Otherwise, I was expecting "a Nintendo announcement.™"
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 09, 2013, 03:03:19 PM
My Expectations were so manged...
"How Managed were they!!?"
My expectations were so managed, that I didn't even have any. My HYPE Train doesn't even have a stop at Reggie's Station anymore. Passengers (aka news) from Reggie's station must catch a bus to a connecting station that my HYPE train pulls into.
That's how managed my expectations are.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Kytim89 on December 09, 2013, 05:17:56 PM
Reggie dropping a bomb? More like a firecracker that refuses to ignite. This was embarrassing for Nintendo.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 09, 2013, 06:08:42 PM
That sounds like: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you again."
Manage your expectations. I thought that this would have been a third party port as a best case scenario. Otherwise, I was expecting "a Nintendo announcement.™"
Hey my expectations were so low I wouldn't have been surprised if Reggie's announcement was just him dropping his pants on TV. But if Nintendo is going to hype up announcements it would be in their best interest to deliver. It's their PR, it's their marketing, it's their image, it's their product they're trying to sell. If they can't discern what is worth hyping up and what isn't, that is their problem. They should have some idea of how exciting their announcements truly are and promote accordingly.
Why couldn't Reggie just say "tune into the VGX for an exclusive new trailer on DKC: Tropical Freeze where we'll reveal some new info about the game"? Save the "wait until you see what's next" stuff for when it really matters.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 09, 2013, 06:45:37 PM
100% agree with Ian.
Somebody check my temperature, I think I'm coming down with something.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: nickmitch on December 09, 2013, 06:48:14 PM
That's a good ass question. Nintendo could've easily said that there would be a new trailer/demo for DKC:TF instead Reggie hinted at a "surprise" and Game Informer had to clarify for them. That's just an absolutely silly situation to be in.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Mannypon on December 09, 2013, 07:48:31 PM
Looks like everything was as expected unfortunately. Nintendo will Nintendo that's for certain. Nintendo is just so unpredictable. We get this announced at the VGX and have something like X announced through a simple Nintendo Direct months back lol. Its like they lull you into a comatose state and then shock you back into reality when you lease expect it. Time to go back to playing Pokémon lol. Look forward to November sales report to come out for the craziness to pick up in the forums again lol.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Khushrenada on December 10, 2013, 05:11:38 PM
I'M HERE TO KICK-ASS AND MAKE LOUSY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
Reggie dropping a bomb? More like a firecracker that refuses to ignite. This was embarrassing for Nintendo.
This made me laugh. Shades of the big E3 reveal for Nintendo Land, with a complete lack of balloons/confetti dropping at the end? Oops!
Hey, I was there. A couple of pieces of confetti fell from the ceiling. It was very sad to be honest.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 11, 2013, 05:26:57 PM
I think its time Nintendo changed leadership. Reggie is not a rockstar anymore…and his decisions in leading NOA have been horrible. He single handedly allowed the Nintendo Wii draught to occur when there were 4 exclusive Wii games that he could have prepared for North America.
Let's change leadership PLEASE.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 11, 2013, 05:54:36 PM
I think its time Nintendo changed leadership. Reggie is not a rockstar anymore…and his decisions in leading NOA have been horrible. He single handedly allowed the Nintendo Wii draught to occur when there were 4 exclusive Wii games that he could have prepared for North America.
Let's change leadership PLEASE.
I agree IF NOA is making those decisions. I don't think they get a lot of independence from NCL so for every boneheaded decision it can be hard to pinpoint who is exactly responsible. Now I don't like Iwata either so I'm cool with heads rolling on either side of the pond.
Until Reggie came along I was never worried about NOA not localizing games. It happened from time to time but it wasn't so common that it affected my expectations. Now it's like a cool game gets shown in a Nintendo Direct and if it isn't something big like Mario I think to myself "will we get it over here?" I certainly never used to envy Nintendo of Europe!
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: pokepal148 on December 11, 2013, 05:58:33 PM
How much power does Reggie really have though,
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 11, 2013, 06:05:41 PM
He needs to fight and arfue for games then. How did Europe get those games???? Does NCL have more faith in the European markets??? Does NCL give NOE more power??? NOA is over possible the largest video game market NCL should give NOA more control. And if Reggie won't fight for it...he should be leading.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: UncleBob on December 11, 2013, 10:16:17 PM
Until Reggie came along I was never worried about NOA not localizing games.
This is wholly unfair that is either completely ignoring how things have changed or is completely ignorant of them. NoA has failed to localize a TON of games over the years.
You never worried about it because YOU NEVER KNEW ABOUT THEM. The internet/news/nature of the industry has changed so much since Reggie took over. Before him, your main source of Nintendo news was Nintendo Power and your playground friend who has an uncle that works at Nintendo.
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go not play some Devil World and Famicom Detective now.
He needs to fight and arfue for games then. How did Europe get those games???? Does NCL have more faith in the European markets??? Does NCL give NOE more power??? NOA is over possible the largest video game market NCL should give NOA more control. And if Reggie won't fight for it...he should be leading.
...and they sold like crap over there. So, yeah, four more games that no one would have given two craps about could have been released. Yay.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Mannypon on December 11, 2013, 10:38:17 PM
Speaking of these niche games that never get released oversees, I wish they would at least translate them and put them on the Eshop so those that want it can download it and they don't have to worry about physically making the disks, distribution, and stock not selling through.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: pokepal148 on December 11, 2013, 11:17:44 PM
Even mario has had issues getting released overseas, lost levels hello
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 11, 2013, 11:24:12 PM
Even mario has had issues getting released overseas, lost levels hello
But young american kids of the eighties didn't have the dedication and mental fortitude to accept the challenge that was The Lost Levels like young Japanese kids. That's just the way things were back then.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Adrock on December 11, 2013, 11:33:43 PM
Until Reggie came along I was never worried about NOA not localizing games.
This is wholly unfair that is either completely ignoring how things have changed or is completely ignorant of them. NoA has failed to localize a TON of games over the years.
You never worried about it because YOU NEVER KNEW ABOUT THEM. The internet/news/nature of the industry has changed so much since Reggie took over. Before him, your main source of Nintendo news was Nintendo Power and your playground friend who has an uncle that works at Nintendo.
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go not play some Devil World and Famicom Detective now.
He needs to fight and arfue for games then. How did Europe get those games???? Does NCL have more faith in the European markets??? Does NCL give NOE more power??? NOA is over possible the largest video game market NCL should give NOA more control. And if Reggie won't fight for it...he should be leading.
...and they sold like crap over there. So, yeah, four more games that no one would have given two craps about could have been released. Yay.
+1
Nintendo of America under Reggie brought over games that people flat-out ignored like Elite Beat Agents. It's these people's job to decide what games are worth bringing over. Some are easy choices like Zelda; some are not like Pandora's Tower. Those Operation Rainfall games didn't sell that great (merely better due to notoriety), kind of proving that Nintendo of America was right about them.
And I still think it's really fucked up to wish someone lose their job based on next to no criteria. "I don't know what you do on a day-to-day basis, but you suck and I hope you get fired." How fair of an assessment is that? What if someone said that **** to you?
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 11, 2013, 11:42:34 PM
The point isn't how well they would sell. The point is the games were DONE. Translation DONE. Packaging DONE. It wouldn't have cost anything to do a limited run of the game. Lower numbers, and little marketing. This was at a time when there was very few games for Nintendo fans to buy, and they were games of varying genres.
And, I don't care one way or another if he gets fired or not. I would rather him do a better job and turn NOA and Nintendo around. I just wish Nintendo would be more aggressive. Also, I think the sells of those games being low had to do with the fact they were Gamespot exclusives, and a limited run, and came out late only after fans fought for the games.
What if Nintendo spent just a little bit of money and marketed the games. And had a limited release in all the stores? People might have picked it up just to play a game.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: UncleBob on December 11, 2013, 11:52:02 PM
It wouldn't have cost nothing?
Really?
Also, only Xenoblade was GameStop exclusive and when I said they sold like crap, I was talking about the EU numbers, where they came out during the "prime" *and* were fairly decently exported.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 12, 2013, 12:05:12 AM
In the grand scheme of releasing a game. Most of the work was done. Obviously, it would have cost some packaging costs, some marketing costs. But if you did limited number run...like Metroid Prime 3 numbers, it would have probably sold out.
Also, opening sales to different markets that wouldn't have be big expenses, but could potentially reward in additional profits means, that Nintendo could have made up some of those losses in the European market.
Then again, maybe Nintendo releases all 4 games and they all 4 bomb badly. Nintendo would have probably at least broken even of the costs to release the games in North America.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Luigi Dude on December 12, 2013, 01:28:08 AM
With the eShop we really don't have to worry about these games not being released anymore though. The 3DS has already seen several niche games get eShop only releases in America, so this is the route NOA will probably be taking. Now for people who want physical versions of the games this will suck, but if that's what it takes to get these games in North America then so be it. That's better then the alternative of not getting the games at all.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 12, 2013, 12:31:40 PM
Until Reggie came along I was never worried about NOA not localizing games.
This is wholly unfair that is either completely ignoring how things have changed or is completely ignorant of them. NoA has failed to localize a TON of games over the years.
You never worried about it because YOU NEVER KNEW ABOUT THEM. The internet/news/nature of the industry has changed so much since Reggie took over. Before him, your main source of Nintendo news was Nintendo Power and your playground friend who has an uncle that works at Nintendo.
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go not play some Devil World and Famicom Detective now.
Well I was on the internet for years before Reggie worked for Nintendo. During that time I wasn't really worried. We didn't get Sin & Punishment, which annoyed me at the time, but I didn't feel like Europe was going to get a bunch of game we wouldn't. In fact prior to Reggie getting hired suddenly series like Advance Wars and Fire Emblem were getting localized for the first time. If anything I thought Nintendo was loosening up on that stuff.
And I still think it's really fucked up to wish someone lose their job based on next to no criteria. "I don't know what you do on a day-to-day basis, but you suck and I hope you get fired." How fair of an assessment is that? What if someone said that **** to you?
The guy is in charge of the American branch of a company whose flagship product is flopping. If something was failing under my watch you could call for my job, too. When a sports team has posted multiple losing seasons I'll call for the GM or coach to get fired. I don't know all the nitty gritty details but I can see the results are **** so the guys on top deserve the blame. They sure as hell take the credit when things go well.
The Wii had like jackshit for games in 2011 and there was Xenoblade right there and translated and could have been slipped in to any of the multi-month gaps in the release schedule to give Wii owners something to play and NOA just sat on it. I bought your damn console and you won't release games to play on it? I'm stuck here with nothing new to play and you don't feel any desire to try to please your customers? The message was loud and clear: "you're not part of the blue ocean audience so **** OFF". And don't think I don't remember that any time I think about maybe buying a Wii U. With the Wii I never felt like Nintendo was interested in having me as a customer anymore and NOA's actions with Xenoblade demonstrated that very well.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: broodwars on December 12, 2013, 01:06:27 PM
Another game I would note as an unfortunate non-release here in North America was Disaster: Day of Crisis, a game IIRC Reggie said he refused to bring over to NA because he didn't think it was good enough. I imported the game, and it's no worse than a lot of the **** on the Wii. I had a fun time with the game. It's a pity that a lot of people didn't get the chance to have that same experience.
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Adrock on December 12, 2013, 02:04:32 PM
The guy is in charge of the American branch of a company whose flagship product is flopping. If something was failing under my watch you could call for my job, too. When a sports team has posted multiple losing seasons I'll call for the GM or coach to get fired. I don't know all the nitty gritty details but I can see the results are **** so the guys on top deserve the blame. They sure as hell take the credit when things go well.
First, 3DS is not flopping. It is dominating Vita. Second, Wii U struggled due to the lack of software which isn't Reggie's fault because he doesn't make the games. Sales have picked up when Nintendo actually had something to release. Imagine that. I'm aware that coaches and general managers are fired for reasons beyond their control, but I don't think it's fair. Reggie has done a decent job with what he's given. Iwata too. I'm glad that he doesn't force games out that are full of bugs and glitches because that is counterproductive. For all the whinging in this thread and countless others, Nintendo has still taken care of their fans better than most companies.
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The Wii had like jackshit for games in 2011 and there was Xenoblade right there and translated and could have been slipped in to any of the multi-month gaps in the release schedule to give Wii owners something to play and NOA just sat on it. I bought your damn console and you won't release games to play on it? I'm stuck here with nothing new to play and you don't feel any desire to try to please your customers? The message was loud and clear: "you're not part of the blue ocean audience so **** OFF". And don't think I don't remember that any time I think about maybe buying a Wii U. With the Wii I never felt like Nintendo was interested in having me as a customer anymore and NOA's actions with Xenoblade demonstrated that very well.
Oh my goodness, this nonsense again. If this was even remotely true, Nintendo would have stopped making Mario and Zelda. Stop it.
And once again, Xenoblade appeals to such a small niche that making it any sort of priority would have a questionable decision. The problem with Xenoblade is that it was 10 years too late. You want Reggie fired for not quickly jumping on a game that was destined to underperform in the West. That's silliness.
You have stated time and time again that you didn't buy Game X because it's touchscreen/motion control, casual bullshit or something. Well, no one cares about Xenoblade (and the other two) except for a very small minority, myself included. Why are you able to acknowledge that you didn't buy something because it doesn't appeal to you yet at the same time, you are unable to grasp the concept that Nintendo of America wanted to pass on a few niche game because they don't appeal to most people?
Title: Re: Reggie dropping a bomb at VGX Awards, what could it be?
Post by: Ian Sane on December 12, 2013, 04:52:09 PM
You have stated time and time again that you didn't buy Game X because it's touchscreen/motion control, casual bullshit or something. Well, no one cares about Xenoblade (and the other two) except for a very small minority, myself included. Why are you able to acknowledge that you didn't buy something because it doesn't appeal to you yet at the same time, you are unable to grasp the concept that Nintendo of America wanted to pass on a few niche game because they don't appeal to most people?
Any console worth a **** provides variety. The good ones with good support and a good selection of games have games for all audiences. They have games for all ages, cover all genres, and have both massive mainstream hits and obscure niche titles. The idea is that anyone of any tastes can buy the console and find something they like. Nintendo doesn't give a **** about providing this. All they give a damn about is big hits for general audiences. That's fine if you're just a third party but if you're going to make a whole videogame system you better have some damn variety and if you're going to make no effort to attract third party support then YOU have to provide it. Otherwise you are saying that anyone who isn't part of the Blue Ocean market can **** off, because if you wanted them you would make some effort to cater to them. Also when you're making a console you have a responsibility for the experience you provide to the owners of that console that invested in it. I, and everyone else, bought a Wii in the good faith that Nintendo would release games on it in a timely fashion. Sitting on a game, a damn good one at that, that already has the localization and translation done, no matter how niche they figure it will be, while literally NO GAMES are being released is essentially scamming Wii owners. Hey thanks for buying our system, sucker! Now enjoy two games a year!
The thing is that Xenoblade's value is not just in raw sales. It looks bad to have large gaps in a release schedule. It upsets the existing userbase when they have nothing to play. So when you release a new console are people going to trust that it will have a healthy supply of games or that long droughts will be the norm? Games like Xenoblade and Disaster: Day of Crisis help pad the release lineup and help create the illusion of a healthy release schedule. No one but the most hardcore gamer geek intends on buying every title, but they want to feel that they'll have lots of choices and options. They feel more confident in their purchase if they're constantly seeing new games on the shelf. So for a company like Nintendo, who has dick all for third party support, I find it utterly shocking that they would want to sit on finished games. They're looking at simply the raw sales and not the negative longterm impact (ie: Wii U circling the drain) of establishing a trend of long release droughts.
Wonderful 101 came out and bombed and realistically was never going to be a hit. Does NOA regret localizing it? I think the Wii U was so desperate for games that having that game on the shelf, having it appear in store fliers, having it get some coverage by the gaming press, was worthwhile just to make the Wii U lineup look better to the public. Most people won't want it or like it but some people will and when there is slim pickings to begin with that can make all the difference in regards to a system sale or making an existing customer happy so that they will want to buy Nintendo's next console.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 12, 2013, 05:10:42 PM
I just want to add that while I didn't buy Xenoblade, The Last Story or Pandora's Tower, I might have and actually intended to purchase 2 of those 3 games had they released before I had essentially gave up on gaming on my Wii.
I was really looking forward to Xenoblade and was interested in TLS, but after the long internet begging campaign, I just lost interest in the whole thing. It's been hard for me to get back into gaming seriously since the Wii. I can't really blame that on Nintendo and maybe more change in lifestyle/priorities, but Nintendo droughts might have had something to do with it
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Post by: Adrock on December 12, 2013, 05:41:41 PM
Any console worth a **** provides variety. The good ones with good support and a good selection of games have games for all audiences. They have games for all ages, cover all genres, and have both massive mainstream hits and obscure niche titles. The idea is that anyone of any tastes can buy the console and find something they like. Nintendo doesn't give a **** about providing this. All they give a damn about is big hits for general audiences.
It did have some variety and no one bought those titles. Did anyone even try Lost in Shadow or was I the only one? By the time the Operation Rainfall games were released, it just not worth watching those titles fail with an audience that has proved not to care about niche titles.
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The thing is that Xenoblade's value is not just in raw sales. It looks bad to have large gaps in a release schedule.
Three niche games wasn't going to change that. Sorry.
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Wonderful 101 came out and bombed and realistically was never going to be a hit. Does NOA regret localizing it?
Timing is key. Put The Wonderful 101 toward the end of the Wii U's life and it probably isn't brought over. Put The Last Story and Xenoblade in 2008 and yeah, they are probably brought over.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 12, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
I bought Black Ops 2 so I did my part contributing to the hard core gamer stuff whatever.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 12, 2013, 09:29:49 PM
Did anyone even try Lost in Shadow or was I the only one?
I bought Lost in Shadow. I saw the review thread that you made for the game, but at that point I hadn't completed the game yet. I intended to come back later, but then forget about it. *Reggie-style shrug*
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Post by: UncleBob on December 12, 2013, 09:53:19 PM
Well I was on the internet for years before Reggie worked for Nintendo. During that time I wasn't really worried.
Sin and Punishment, Custom Robo, Animal Forest, Doshin the Giant and all of the N64DD titles, Super Mario 64 Plus and Wave Race 64 Plus (or whatever they were called...)...
I'd be curious, percentage-wise, which system NoA did the worst job at bringing titles over.
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Post by: pokepal148 on December 12, 2013, 10:30:16 PM
The original mother (or Earthbound) also comes to that list along with the entire fire emblem and advance wars series
I'm betting the NES is the worst offender here
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Post by: nickmitch on December 12, 2013, 11:30:15 PM
Would it even be fair to count 64DD games? I mean, if the peripheral doesn't come over, the games sure as **** won't by default.
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Post by: Adrock on December 12, 2013, 11:36:27 PM
Can't you just count 64DD in general then?
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Post by: UncleBob on December 13, 2013, 05:27:51 AM
Why isn't it fair? It's games we missed out on in the US because NOA didn't bring 'em over for us.
I still want to play Doshin.
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Post by: Mop it up on December 13, 2013, 06:23:37 PM
I still want Famicom Wars!
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Post by: Stratos on December 13, 2013, 06:26:07 PM
I want them all. I wish I knew Japanese and I could offer really cheap translation services (even free to a point) to localize them for Western consumption.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 13, 2013, 06:43:43 PM
Translations should be cheap and digital delivery makes makes the risk very very low.
No reason a bunch of games we've never seen couldn't be release everywhere, outside of licensing for specific parts, such as music and/product references.
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Post by: Stratos on December 13, 2013, 06:49:01 PM
I've actually thought about doing that as a business model. I wanted to learn Japanese in high school and am considering going back to that. Combine it with my studies in computers and I could potentially offer my services to Nintendo to do this. Just acquire some Japanese copies of Nintendo games, translate them and show the finished products to Nintendo and offer the ones I have done for free and a steep discount for doing the others. Then I can use that on a resume to offer translation services to other companies on the opposite side of the Pacific. I always enjoyed translating in college and in the end I would have a very unique item I could enjoy even if they said no.
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Post by: Khushrenada on December 13, 2013, 07:24:19 PM
UncleBob, if I ever go to Japan I will hunt down some 64DDs and bring one for you with whatever I can get my Nintendo-loving mitts on.
Do they work with the US N64? I assume you'd have to track me down a JPN N64 too. ;)
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Post by: Stratos on December 14, 2013, 01:16:58 PM
Good point. I'll grab a few of those for good measure while I am there. Though I seem to recall that the US and JPN systems are virtually the same except for a little piece of plastic you can remove to get carts to fit from different regions. It wasn't until the Gamecube that they started using software based region locking.
And I am being serious about buying all this stuff because when I do go to Japan will be when I have a much higher income in 5-10 years. At the rate I am going that will become a reality sooner rather than later. So hang in there!
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 14, 2013, 02:43:05 PM
Good point. I'll grab a few of those for good measure while I am there. Though I seem to recall that the US and JPN systems are virtually the same except for a little piece of plastic you can remove to get carts to fit from different regions. It wasn't until the Gamecube that they started using software based region locking.
And I am being serious about buying all this stuff because when I do go to Japan will be when I have a much higher income in 5-10 years. At the rate I am going that will become a reality sooner rather than later. So hang in there!
Changing the region of your GameCube is as simple as putting in an SPST switch with 2 wires. That's how I got mine 2 weeks early (with Japanese Luigi's Mansion and US Rouge Squadron ftw!).
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Post by: Stratos on December 14, 2013, 04:50:05 PM
I remember that. Rogue Squadron and Monkey Ball were both on sale before the GC released. I was playing the demo unit at ToysRThem and could not buy the system because it released the next week. But most of the copies of Monkey Ball and Rogue Squadron were sold out already.
