My Theory On Nintendo In The Modern World

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Sean:
Guys, this thread's going very well, I think, but please, let the "GTA3 didn't come out in the 90's" thing go. I actually do explain what I was getting at by saying that, if you read my third post. I am well aware that a year that starts with a "20" isn't in the same decade as one that starts with a "19". Really, I am. Call it a huge lack of judgment on my part, but there was a method to my madness. As is the case with history, I wasn't being all that literal when I said 90's, but if you ask me, GTA3 capped off the 90's and ushered in a new era more apparently than any other game, whether you like the game or not. Ya dig?

Ian Sane, you make a GREAT point in reminding people that Nintendo doesn't have to make a game like that when 3rd parties can do it for them. Great point, and well noted. That's where a few of the errors on Nintendo's part (capitalizing on Pokemon, for instance) sort of began to SLOWLY tell 3rd parties that their games weren't wanted on Nintendo's system. Of course, Nintendo denies this, even in the face of the "white blood/sweat" debacle way back in Mortal Kombat on SNES, and they say, I have read, that they do not discourage "violent" games.

I would also like to say that if Nintendo did make a game as violent as GTA3 (and not via a 2nd party like Silicon Knights), I wouldn't hold that against them, necessarily, as long as they brought to it their usual touch. It would be a little hard to bear, perhaps, and we might all question their motives, but I won't say that it would be WRONG of Nintendo as that would be limiting them.

Still, I think the point has been made a few times here already that Nintendo is still (mostly) catering to who we were 10 or 15 years ago, and believe it or not, there's a whole new generation who needs them just as much we did. Perhaps we need them now more than ever, not to be too over dramatic.

rpglover:
nintendo may not change the way teenagers want them to
the problem is that these kids think that the only way you can make a good game now is with lots of blood, shooting, ect...
thats why gta is such a hit now...........but i bet none of those kids that love gta 3 ever played the original gtas
i am 19 yrs old and have had nintendo systems since 89
my first games were mario brothers and duck hunt
ever since then i have owned every nintendo system
and after seeing all these years of nintendo games i think nintendo is making some really good moves now
they are starting to release AAA titles closer together now (mario,metroid,zelda within 8 months of eachother!)
they are making new franchises (pikmin,warioworld)
they are taking risks in some of their new games (1st person in metroid,pikmin's gameplay)
people do not always realize these moves because they are so caught up in what is "cool"
i know lots of people with x-boxs and i like some of the games on that system
but those games do not have all the charm nintendo puts into their games
to me there is something about the cuteness of some of nintendos games that makes them very appealing
all i hope for is that nintendo makes the right business moves to stay in the business
i dont care if they are 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in the console race
i dont care if they do not do what all the people want them to
i just hope they stay in so i can still play those awesome nintendo exclusives for years to come
long live nintendo!

Gamer Donkey:
I'd have to agree, Nintendo just puts something into their games that you don't see other places. I first think of Waverace: Blue Storm, in the loading screen that little bubble just absorbs my attention for however long it takes. Who knows why, maybe I'm simple-minded, but that give every game something. Maybe its because they got started the earliest of all the next-gens, maybe its their Japanese ownership. I don't know, but whatever it is will keep me coming back to Nintendo for the GC2 and so forth.

My, so many Simpsons qoutes

Termin8Anakin:
I think Rick said it best. We are growing up, and therefore out taste in games will grow, and not just depend on Nintendo's games to fill our needs.
I myself only realised this last year, when I bought my Gamecube. I wanted to buy Mario Sunshine so bad, but when I played the demo at the shops, it just didn't seem to grab me and suck me in as much as MArio 64 did all those years ago. Sure Sunshine was the better game, but I realised that I just wasn't interested in these sort of games as I used to be. So, I go Eternal Darkness, Nightfire, Rogue Leader, Extreme G3 and Harry Potter (for my sister).
Zelda will always be captiating, and I'm sure Metroid Prime will do for me just fine, but the way in which Nintendo operates is not in need of a change. We are always hoping that Nintendo will "see the light" and make a mature game, but we know that's not gonna happen anytime soon. And we are always trying to find games that capture the essence of the first game we ever played that got us into games. But is that always possible? No. I'm sure that when we first played Super Mario Bros on the NES, we were just dumbstruck, but has that really been the case with Mario Sunshine? It sure was with Mario 64, because it was the first 3D Mario game, and it was done VERY well and that is what a revolution is, but Mario Sunshine is just EVOLUTIONARY and that is why it doesn't really capture that essence.

telaris:
Many good points here. It's always nice to have an intellectual conversation, especially when the admins add their 2 cents. If I wasn't so tired I would add something.

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