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Star Wars IX The Rise of Skywalker
lolmonade:
--- Quote from: ShyGuy on April 15, 2019, 09:59:20 PM ---I'm not Oohboy, but he is probably referring to something like this:
https://youtu.be/8ixTU8cJb0g
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I'm letting the whole "is The Last Jedi a good or bad movie" discussion go, because opinions are subjective and I actually enjoyed it which is on the different side of the fence of most here.
But that youtube video is lazy attempt at creating a narrative that he had some agenda to get Star Wars fans butthurt by stringing together a bunch of prior interviews for prior movies (most 8 years ago or more) where he isn't talking about a joy of antagonizing an audience, but rather what his filmmaking philosophy is, and why he likes working with genre films because he likes to use the ruleset in them to subvert expectations.
Where's a jerking-off emoji when you need one? :rolleyes:
--- Quote from: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2019, 08:02:36 PM ---Knowing how oohhboy operates, he probably just heard something that suits what he wants to believe and went with it.
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Apparently. I like Star Wars and talking about it, but I guess this isn't the thread for me, lol.
nickmitch:
--- Quote from: oohhboy on April 16, 2019, 12:04:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: nickmitch on April 15, 2019, 10:48:56 PM ---I thought that was his goal with epVIII, not just with all his films. Honestly, it's not a bad approach for being a filmmaker in general. Although, I've only seen TLJ and Looper, and I don't remember Looper being "divisive". I remember people arguing over how JGL got the job in that movie, but not that it was terrible. So, he missed the mark there.
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His mindset is completely wrong for the situation. Doing whatever can be great for an independent film but when you have an pre-existing universe you cannot do that, there are rules you can't break, people you have to take care of, fixed points.
It's why Looper isn't divisive nor anything previous TLJ, there was nothing to divide.
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That's why I think saying that he's intentionally trying to be divisive on TLJ is the wrong takeaway from those quotes. He wants to make films that people are passionate about, and that's fine.
You also don't need an existing fanbase to split your audience. That's not why Looper wasn't divisive. Other movies have done so without a pre-existing universe.
And having "people you have to take care of" sounds kinda entitled.
Stratos:
I took the "people you have to take care of" to mean characters in an established series, who should be treated a certain way because of how previous entries established them to be. Akbar and Lando arguably were not "taken care of" because they unceremoniously killed off Akbar where there was a role he could have easily filled for a much greater impact, and fans have been asking about Lando since the new trilogy kicked off, which seems like a huge missed opportunity to me.
Though it does sound a bit entitled in reference to fans, you do want to keep your fans at least somewhat happy/placated. Fans are the primary supporters of a product and if they aren't happy, they'll leave to something else.
ThePerm:
As far as I'm concerned I don't give a **** about anything that happens in the Clone Wars tv show. It's peripheral cartoon that should never be considered canon. I shouldn't have to dredge through it to know what's going on in the movies. It should merely be ancillary in nature.
nickmitch:
--- Quote from: Stratos on April 16, 2019, 03:00:32 PM ---I took the "people you have to take care of" to mean characters in an established series, who should be treated a certain way because of how previous entries established them to be. Akbar and Lando arguably were not "taken care of" because they unceremoniously killed off Akbar where there was a role he could have easily filled for a much greater impact, and fans have been asking about Lando since the new trilogy kicked off, which seems like a huge missed opportunity to me.
Though it does sound a bit entitled in reference to fans, you do want to keep your fans at least somewhat happy/placated. Fans are the primary supporters of a product and if they aren't happy, they'll leave to something else.
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It's a forum post, so if he meant "characters" when he said "people" then that's a point I'll concede. I'd rather stories either pick up so far in the future that old characters are dead, or happen so remotely that it makes sense for them not to be there. I do miss Lando and am glad he seems to be making an appearance in IX. VII made me think "where's Lando?" more than VIII though.