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Star Wars IX The Rise of Skywalker
that Baby guy:
I think the best way to tie things together for a sequel trilogy would have been for Rey to somehow be related to Obi Wan, like a granddaughter, who is then kept secret and hidden. Thematically, it turns the series from being about Skywalkers to being about Skywalkers and Kenobis. There's the issue of where his child comes from, but with cloning technology and a partially mysterious life on Tattoine looking over Luke, there are a few approaches. A lot of people believed The Force Awakens was leading toward an Obi-Wan connection, and like a few have stated, it's still possible, especially if Kylo Ren was lying.
Past that, I thought Snoke was intended to be Plagueis, as well. With Plagueis creating the Skywalker line, and the intention being that Anakin had the most force potential (and his offspring would likewise have the same potential,) the whole series could wrap around with the concept that Anakin was created to be possessed or taken over, however to do so, it requires him to first be robed into the dark side. His loss and injuries at the hands of Obi-Wan significantly reduced his potential, so nothing further happened. Until Luke arrives.
But Luke doesn't turn, so there goes that as an option. But there is more Skywalker blood. Kylo Ren happens. He's dark, he's angry, but he's not dark enough. There's still some good there. The Force Awaken plays out, and Snoke brings him to him. Why? Dark force possession or something similar. Still works with Rey as a Kenobi, who finally could redeem a Skywalker, etc., etc. I think it would round things in the PT.
ShyGuy:
I'm not Oohboy, but he is probably referring to something like this:
https://youtu.be/8ixTU8cJb0g
nickmitch:
I thought that was his goal with epVIII, not just with all his films. Honestly, it's not a bad approach for being a filmmaker in general. Although, I've only seen TLJ and Looper, and I don't remember Looper being "divisive". I remember people arguing over how JGL got the job in that movie, but not that it was terrible. So, he missed the mark there.
Stratos:
Obi-wan did have an unrequited love interest in the Clone Wars in the form of the Mandelorian Queen, and even considered running away with her, but he stuck to his duty and she to hers, and she was slain by Darth Maul in an attempt to provoke Kenobi. While there could have been a surprise hidden love child that was hidden away without Kenobi's knowledge, it would have compromised his character and his role of foil to Anakin because Kenobi was the one who overcame the dark urges of revenge and passion.
What if it turned out Shimi had twins and gave one up for adoption (a girl) and kept Anakin. Obiwan could have interacted with the orphaned sister of Anakin, maybe he helps her find a new life and so she names her children after him or something.
Heck, we could even say Maz Kanata took in the sister to tie her into the series in a more meaningful and relevant way. So then she finds out this girl, who is the daughter/granddaughter of Anakin's sister, comes waltzing into her tavern with Han Solo and Maz, knowing a lot of back lore, would be able to put the pieces together and realize her potential.
Shimi had no reason to tell the Jedi about the second child. Especially if she game her up at birth. No reason to, as she was gone and bringing her up would just cause pain and regret for Shimi.
oohhboy:
^^ Bingo
While in itself isn't that smoking gun when you add TLJ as evidence and his twitter war, bit by bit you build up a case.
Hamill tried to warn us. If it was only a couple examples, sure you might brush it away. When you have 50+ that becomes a clear pattern.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKlo-plLJZI
JJ inadvertently reveals his lack of plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xj9vF4aoCA
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--- Quote from: oohhboy on April 15, 2019, 12:48:53 PM ---ANH is definitely Luke's story, after that it opens up and Luke becomes less important the the world as a whole. His journey becomes more and more personal. Leia and Han are near/equal protagonist in ESB. By RotJ whether he won or lost the final confrontation the ultimate outcome for the galaxy would have been the same.
It is clearly the PT that had retcon this idea of OT being the Skywalker saga.
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Seriously, bruh? Leia is a Skywalker. So is Vader. Three of the main players in the original trilogy are Skywalkers. WTF are you talking about?
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Leia didn't know until RotJ. Vadar wasn't in on in till ESB. Luke gets less screen time and journey becomes personal. His impact on the overall rebellion is minimal by RotJ. That is not to say he isn't a protagonist over the OT, other character get promoted from support. By RotJ you had Han, Leia, Lando. It dilutes the idea of the Skywalker saga into something bigger than that to a wider galaxy full of all sort of characters.
PT shrank all that right down to being a Skywalker thing.
--- Quote from: nickmitch on April 15, 2019, 10:48:56 PM ---I thought that was his goal with epVIII, not just with all his films. Honestly, it's not a bad approach for being a filmmaker in general. Although, I've only seen TLJ and Looper, and I don't remember Looper being "divisive". I remember people arguing over how JGL got the job in that movie, but not that it was terrible. So, he missed the mark there.
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His mindset is completely wrong for the situation. Doing whatever can be great for an independent film but when you have an pre-existing universe you cannot do that, there are rules you can't break, people you have to take care of, fixed points.
It's why Looper isn't divisive nor anything previous TLJ, there was nothing to divide.