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| Shorty McNostril:
--- Quote from: oohhboy on October 22, 2019, 09:58:03 AM --- The tweet is lies, damn lies and statistics. https://twitter.com/tvisgreat/status/1186452503942045696 --- Quote ---That’s because Atom Tickets is actually working tonight unlike the morning Endgame came out. --- End quote --- --- End quote --- I knew there must have been something else to that. I expect this will do well but I don't think it'll end up anywhere even close to Endgame. Unless this turns out to be a seriously amazing movie and has serious legs. I do very much enjoy Mr Abrams's work but I don't think any movie maker out there would be able to fix what was broken and wrap it all up in the same movie. |
| oohhboy:
--- Quote ---Bob's fights are for me the perfect blend of realism and showmanship. The sword movements tend to be a little exaggerated for visual effect, but they always have a martial purpose. --- End quote --- You can't cut a quote like that. The first sentence is inseparable from the second. Which brings us to --- Quote ---The Darth Maul three-way duel in Phantom looks nice, is partially based on wushu, particularly toward the end, but is martially ridiculous. There are about 20 moments in the fight when one of the combatants has a clear unopposed opportunity to bop someone else on the head and instead twirls a blade behind their back (a lethal mistake in a real fight) or spins it in their wrist. Most of the blows seem aimed at each other's weapons, rather than parts of their bodies. Pirouetting attacks become the norm. --- End quote --- That is one of the big differences between OT and PT/ST. TRoS is so slack they can't even be bothered to hide it. You put your best footage in the trailer and if that is the best they have, it is going to be dire. The quality gap is massive. PT/ST is bad, trying to rubbish OT to make them look better is bad. The guy is not above pointing at errors in OT --- Quote ---Both fighters are cagey and spend more time probing and watching each other than swinging their swords around. Obi Wan does one ridiculous back-turning pirouette, but otherwise it's all pretty solid, and heavily reminiscent of Kurosawa's samurai movies. --- End quote --- --- Quote ---The stickiness of the blades was noticeable in "A New Hope," but became more pronounced as the movies progressed, although it was not applied consistently. Another thing that was not applied consistently was the implied weight of a lightsaber, which seemed tiny in "A New Hope," quite heavy in "Return of the Jedi," and then became light again for the prequels. --- End quote --- If the error is them whiffing a swing he would have said so. --- Quote ---And since you keep bringing this up, I wanted to post some gifs to point out very specific moments in the Vader/Luke duel in which the characters are clearly not aiming for each other’s body instead of posting a video and saying, “Look at 0:46 and 0:54.” You, as expected, condescended and insulted me for wanting to provide an easier visual for you because for some reason, you can’t have a normal conversation with other people. --- End quote --- It was never going to help you because your assessment is not going to trump expert testimony. You need to bring equally strong evidence to the table. OT isn't above criticism but the sabre fights aren't where the flaws are. If you were going to post an error at least use the "Force kick". I found it within 10 seconds because it is an significant error/goof. https://preview.redd.it/ambzn45nh8u21.gif?format=mp4&s=56e4172cf6300bd59300ffd645cd2dbf15da7c02 |
| ThePerm:
I was reading some Orville stuff earlier in this thread, and I'm going to side with Ooohboy here. Which, is odd because in the Orville thread we're totally at odds. The first 2-3 episodes of had more sophomoric humor but then the show really got its sea legs down and really has great writing. As far as light sabers go. This is a PG or PG-13 movie right? Maybe it doesn't matter so much. The fencing and sparing are going to be more fantastical. Here's what a more realistic fight looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJcqtaHuQaU Though I think they should have more severed limbs in the Star Wars movies. |
| Adrock:
--- Quote from: oohhboy on October 22, 2019, 04:02:04 PM ---You can't cut a quote like that. The first sentence is inseparable from the second. --- End quote --- I can and I did. "Bob's fights are for me the perfect blend of realism and showmanship." Why should I care if the writer believes this? You're really using someone's opinion to back your claims. K. --- Quote ---It was never going to help you because your assessment is not going to trump expert testimony. You need to bring equally strong evidence to the table. --- End quote --- Visual proof from the movie itself that describes the exact thing in the tweet you posted is not strong evidence for you? K. You've been telling me I'm wrong before I even do anything. Do you know how ignorant that is? Maybe you don't? Regardless, since you are not willing to have a civil discourse here, this is a waste of my time. I've said my piece. If your best move is to basically say "You're wrong" and not actually address things I've written, we're done here. Best of luck to you. |
| oohhboy:
If your conviction regarding the gifs are that strong post them and point out why it was a whiffle. Someone of that calibre would not make such obvious mistakes as egregious as PT/ST. With ESB/Jedi if it was left in there was a good reason. Skill level, emotional instability, confidence, physical ability, endurance, focus are factors that are shown on screen. He gives expert opinion coupled with expert insights and he clearly makes his case. I defer to an expert in their field every time over myself and given the opportunity ask for clarity. Expert opinion can be used in court as evidence if the expert's credibility can be established. Do you really think I would take your opinion over his unless you presented something equally strong? If something was so obviously wrong I would have pointed it out myself. --- Quote from: Shorty McNostril on October 22, 2019, 03:46:34 PM ---I knew there must have been something else to that. I expect this will do well but I don't think it'll end up anywhere even close to Endgame. Unless this turns out to be a seriously amazing movie and has serious legs. I do very much enjoy Mr Abrams's work but I don't think any movie maker out there would be able to fix what was broken and wrap it all up in the same movie. --- End quote --- I smelled a rat, your gut feelings served you well. 45% over Endgame was an absurd number factored with everything we know. So I looked for additional information to parse the number as statistics vast majority of the time don't come with any parameters especially when it comes to marketing. It took a minute. The task is literally impossible, the narrative irrecoverably broken. Then you have the shattered audience. The higher ups with their demands and contractual obligations. Mo money means mo problems as he effectively has infinite budget. The deadline. JJ might not even give a damn anymore as he is going to DC RIP. This is as far from normal as you can get. |
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