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| oohhboy:
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/other-sports/news/how-real-was-the-swordsmanship-in-the-star-wars-movies/8nbimfd40ku019fdcqb4iz462 RotJ relevant quote: --- Quote ---The Luke-Vader fights of "Empire" and "Jedi" were directed by Bob Anderson, without doubt the greatest sword choreographer of all time. He also did "The Lord of the Rings," "Highlander," "The Princess Bride" and "Mark of Zorro," to name but a few, and was an Olympic fencer. He actually wore the Vader costume for some of the fighting, because Dave Prowse couldn't master the moves. Bob was a true sword master and could depict any style, but his personal training was in European sabre, and it shows in the fights. Bob's fights are for me the perfect blend of realism and showmanship. The sword movements tend to be a little exaggerated for visual effect, but they always have a martial purpose. The beat/disengage reverse cut that Vader uses to take off Luke's hand is, in my opinion, the best move in cinema sword history. It's not only technically great, it's a move that would only really work with a lightsaber. --- End quote --- The rest of the article is a good read. It also ends with this gem --- Quote ---I haven't seen the new one yet. I'm going on Sunday, but the cross-guard lightsaber already has me a little worried. --- End quote --- |
| BlackNMild2k1:
Well, I'm not trying to derail any HYPE from anyone regarding the SW series, but I've watched all the theatrical releases, outside of Solo, and I"ll likely watch this new one as well, maybe even in the theater, but the series just does not capture me. at all. The movie will go on to make over $1B and most fans will hopefully be happy with it, but I've realized that SW just isn't my thing --- Quote from: oohhboy on October 22, 2019, 09:58:03 AM ---The tweet is lies, damn lies and statistics. https://twitter.com/tvisgreat/status/1186452503942045696 --- Quote ---That’s because Atom Tickets is actually working tonight unlike the morning Endgame came out. --- End quote --- --- End quote --- LOL. When I first saw the "news" I was thinking "Well, Fandango hasn't said ****, and I'm sure they dwarf Atom tickets.... besides, every site was crippled by traffic on the release of Endgame. I didn't hear anything about any of that for this movie... but I also didn't know when the tickets went on sale, so it's possible I just missed the HYPE train all together. |
| Adrock:
Yeah, I rewatched it as well. And quite honestly, this: --- Quote ---if you have to make them the errors didn't warranted it unlike the other movies. --- End quote --- is some of the weakest **** I’ve ever seen from you. Just because someone hasn’t made the gifs yet doesn’t make the point invalid. The fact that you’re even trying to conflate them is sad. --- Quote --- You keep thinking I go around looking for this stuff but I don't have to. I am not even shooting fish in a barrel, it's getting served up on a plate. --- End quote --- You do though. And we’ve caught you numerous times flat-out unwilling to do a simple google search to fact-check claims you make. That’s as far as I’m going to take that particularly if you truly believe in your heart that you don’t. You’ve brought up my “underlying defense” twice now so let’s address that: --- Quote from: oohhboy on October 22, 2019, 09:55:29 AM ---If this was a stand alone movie with zero legacy the action would still be roundly mocked. Your underlying defence is vaporous because of this as "What about this" isn't a defence. Mistakes elsewhere does not excuse mistakes made here. It's like saying some other person did this crime so I can do the same crime. --- End quote --- 1. I’ve stated numerous times that I like but don’t love Star Wars. I don’t care about its legacy. If I think something is worthy of criticism, I’ll criticize it. This has been my MO for 13 years on NWR alone. We’re on a Nintendo message board. Who hasn’t criticized that company here? Don’t come at me with that you-would-mock-it-if-it-wasn’t-Star-Wars nonsense. That is demonstrably untrue. 2. I’m not defending it at all. I’m indifferent, ambivalent at best. I very specifically said: --- Quote from: Adrock on October 22, 2019, 09:01:57 AM ---The lightsaber criticism applies to every lightsaber duel even in everyone’s beloved original trilogy. Watch Luke and Vader just clash laser swords in Return of the Jedi. They’re not even trying to try to hit each other. Luke is supposed to be a Jedi Master but he’s just wildly swinging all over the goddamn place. It’s admittedly silly when you zero in on it and slow it down. --- End quote --- To me, it’s silly in all the movies (Vader murdering fools in Rogue One notwithstanding as it wasn’t a duel). I’m here for the ride so I live with it. The frustrating bit to me is selective criticism which was the entire point of the post you’re taking umbrage with. |
| oohhboy:
Given how close to the wire with the massive reshoots, the astronomical premium for short order VFX/CGI I wouldn't be surprised the movie alone cost $500 million. $1B at the box office isn't going to be enough. "Normal" sequel drop off is most certainly in play and TLJ factor is clear with Solo. Beyond just the box office money TRoS far more importantly has to bring back the brand which is undeniably wounded. They need to get merch moving, people to go to the SW shopping mall, to be the evergreen money tree Lucas had. TRoS would have to be the most absolute masterpiece, the literal greatest movie released since the invention of movies, like transcendent, make the Sistine chapel look like trash. So not happening in any universe. RE: light sabres I literally posted the article and relevant quote regards to OT from a relevant professional. Are you telling me one of the, if not the greatest sword master/choreographer of the time had Vadar and Luke swing around like the idiots in PT or sequel? Read the article, it has some good insights. How many decades has the internet had to make said gifs and be available one google away? Posting PT sword loop is a copy paste away. As neigh infinite as the internet is, not only did someone had to care enough to do that, others had to perpetuate it. The context to it is so wide spread it doesn't even a caption. Shorty spoke of it and pokepal148 posted it less than 30 minutes later. Instead of "Make my own gifs" I am sure if the light sabre problem with OT was that significant there would be a legit video or article out there with relevant professionals a google away for you to bring up. The bad action in the sequels and shown again in TRoS is indicative of the lack of quality, the sloppiness. This applies to any movie. You have stunt people just dying of embarrassment from the TLJ fight. I can post the video if you like with the relevant time stamp. |
| Adrock:
--- Quote from: oohhboy on October 22, 2019, 01:14:54 PM ---I literally posted the article and relevant quote regards to OT from a relevant professional. Are you telling me one of the, if not the greatest sword master/choreographer of the time had Vadar and Luke swing around like the idiots in PT or sequel? Read the article, it has some good insights. --- End quote --- That’s not what I’m telling you at all. And what is it about some you and instructing me to do homework in order to continue a conversation? Y’all have some weird expectations about having nerd discourse on the internet. The tweet you originally linked to stated: --- Quote ---they’re not even aiming for one another’s bodies they’re aiming so far away why am i laughing so hard --- End quote --- Again, this has happened in all lightsaber duels. It kind of has to sometimes because sword fights are really hard to pull off convincingly. Even one of my favorite sword fights in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon does this at times if for no other reason than Ang Lee thought it looked cool. Again, I’m in it for the ride, and I can suspend my disbelief. The times in movies in which body parts were aimed for typically results in stabbing or (especially in Star Wars) dismemberment. In the article you quoted: --- Quote ---The sword movements tend to be a little exaggerated for visual effect, but they always have a martial purpose. --- End quote --- Yep. When the movements are exaggerated, it loses some of that martial effect since a professional wouldn’t do that in a real duel. That’s okay. Surprise, movies have to cheat sometimes. I accept it, and it’s fine. I’m not going to take three seconds from a fucking trailer without context and slow it down then drag a movie I haven’t seen for it. And since you keep bringing this up, I wanted to post some gifs to point out very specific moments in the Vader/Luke duel in which the characters are clearly not aiming for each other’s body instead of posting a video and saying, “Look at 0:46 and 0:54.” You, as expected, condescended and insulted me for wanting to provide an easier visual for you because for some reason, you can’t have a normal conversation with other people. |
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