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| oohhboy:
The topic is the mediocrity that is Disney and collateral damage that will be part of the merger. I offered a best case solution to save what made Fox, Fox. Fox is not just the IP, it's the people and the environment/culture they operate under. I gave examples of cultural restrictions that IP face, how it's strength is turned into a weakness due to the mistaken idea that Brand is all that matters. Yet for some IP within circumstances I offered how a transformation can take place, why it can and why for some can't. I explained why "Unlimited" entertainment options you offered as a salve wasn't quite so unlimited that makes the continued accretion of IP a problem via the process of emotional investment that can make walking away hard which you flippantly dismissed to the point even another poster had to call you out despite sharing your sentiment. I followed with how your flippant disregard for emotionally investing is insulting and a bad way to do business that generates a lot of negativity by blaming the customer which you have mirrored by following the company line. I presented to you the social contract that really underpins ownership an IP which is more a set of obligations the participants have with each other and where the ultimate responsibility lies. It is legally correct that the customer doesn't own the IP but that is not the ownership issue stems from. That is why your question is irrelevant. |
| broodwars:
At the end of the day, I want Disney to prove me wrong. As much as I gripe about their growing monopoly and the dangerous repercussions thereof, I've loved that company since I was a little kid growing up in the 80s. I've seen it rise, and I've seen it fall. I've seen it take risks, and I've seen it follow Reggie's lead and only green-light safe bets. My fear with modern Disney is that everything is becoming homogenized and formulaic. They don't take risks anymore. We just got a trailer for the new Toy Story that recycles the exact same goddamn plot they used for the last 3 Toy Story films. Every Marvel film looks like more or less the same movie now. Star Wars has looked like crap since Episode 7, and no...I haven't seen Rogue One. I actually keep waiting for that BluRay to hit the Disney Rewards site like Force Awakens did, and it never has. Disney Animation seemed to be in a new Renaissance when Frozen hit, but now EVERY film follows Frozen's template with the twist villain and market-tested "subversion". Pixar's the least-relevant it's possibly ever been. Meanwhile, Disney hasn't green-lit a SINGLE original new attraction at ANY of their parks (one not based on an existing IP) since Expedition Everest in 2006. Everything they build now is "safe"; lazy; and market-tested with certain ideologies in mind, just like the films they put out. I just wish Disney was taking all these experiences, resources, and money they acquire and putting them into something fresh and new. I miss the 80s & 90s-era Eisner years, when he would figuratively blow things up just to see what would happen, and we got the biggest explosion of creativity in the company in a generation. However, I see Disney do things like buy-up Fox and all I can think is "well, I guess we can look forward to all the Fox properties being shoe-horned into templates." It's depressing. |
| UncleBob:
--- Quote ---The topic is the mediocrity that is Disney and collateral damage that will be part of the merger. I offered a best case solution to save what made Fox, Fox. --- End quote --- You are correct. All this time, I have been so wrong! Disney is absolute rubbish and is going to run FOX properties until they become soulless, mediocre husks of what they once were. Oddly, that loops us back to the very first post in this thread. The Simpsons really does predict the future. --- Quote ---emotional investment --- End quote --- Look, man. We're never going to see eye to eye on this. Entertainment isn't something I ever recommend getting "emotional investment" in. Good or bad. You have two options: Either entertainment is a business, in which case, you are mixing emotions and money, never a good thing - or - Entertainment is art, in which case you are *not* a customer and you do *not* get to tell artists how to express themselves. |
| Adrock:
I don't want to get involved in this exchange as I've enjoyed being on the outside looking in. I did look up Episode 3 in Season 6 of The Simpsons because that was right in the middle of the show's golden years, and I was curious why the episode was marked red in the chart above. It was a clips show if anyone is wondering. |
| oohhboy:
RE: broodwars Pretty much my sentiment. Hope is not a strategy and the track record isn't good. --- Quote from: UncleBob on March 21, 2019, 07:13:17 PM --- --- Quote ---The topic is the mediocrity that is Disney and collateral damage that will be part of the merger. I offered a best case solution to save what made Fox, Fox. --- End quote --- You are correct. All this time, I have been so wrong! Disney is absolute rubbish and is going to run FOX properties until they become soulless, mediocre husks of what they once were. Oddly, that loops us back to the very first post in this thread. The Simpsons really does predict the future. --- Quote ---emotional investment --- End quote --- Look, man. We're never going to see eye to eye on this. Entertainment isn't something I ever recommend getting "emotional investment" in. Good or bad. You have two options: Either entertainment is a business, in which case, you are mixing emotions and money, never a good thing - or - Entertainment is art, in which case you are *not* a customer and you do *not* get to tell artists how to express themselves. --- End quote --- It's as the business requires emotional investment to stay viable. Not acknowledging this means you have abandon your customers. They are not mutually exclusive as you keep repeating. As I pointed out, they are co-dependant and it is more than money changing hands. Even the greatest artist of old needed patrons to ply their art with varying requests and demands from none to paint this exact thing. Using the Simpsons is the lamest irrelevant example you could have given. It ignores the very different circumstances as to how and why it has reached where it is which is not what faces Disney and Fox at this time unless you are thinking of an accelerated timeline with a very high gamma which broodwars believes has already happened while I think it can be mitigated for incoming shows. --- Quote from: Adrock on March 21, 2019, 07:35:08 PM ---I don't want to get involved in this exchange as I've enjoyed being on the outside looking in. I did look up Episode 3 in Season 6 of The Simpsons because that was right in the middle of the show's golden years, and I was curious why the episode was marked red in the chart above. It was a clips show if anyone is wondering. --- End quote --- Oh I think I remember that episode. Yeah it deserves all the hate. |
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