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| Fatty The Hutt:
Good game everyone. Kudos to BeautifulShy for PM-fooling me, at least until it was too late. I was also briefly fooled by Insano's PM claim but again, by the time I realized, it was too late. As for my self-sacrifice play on Day 2, I got tripped up by thread closing. I had hoped to sway some votes toward Mop it up, who I was pretty sure by then was Mafia, but I put up my impassioned plea way too close to thread-closing time. I had a back-up plan to try and force a tie and potentially save myself but by the time I went back, thread was locked. I had thought it was locked in error and even PMed pokepal about it but then checked again and realized it was all on me. I had read the timestamps incorrectly. What an idiot! Just remember kids, do all your fun stuff when you're young cuz it sure sucks gettin' old. And massive kudos to Thatguy. Masterfully played all the way through. #PoorGumshoe indeed! |
| Silenced:
Tried to point out to y'all that early bandwagon was shifty and I got knocked off for it :( |
| nickmitch:
I didn't suspect Thatguy as mafia until I was already dead. It took me a while to piece it together. I thought there was a townie alliance going on and was getting in on it. When he started the vote against me, I figured there was a leak in the alliance. There was no way I was the only one he told Khush was the doctor. He said he trusted Beautifulshy even though I was getting more and more suspicious. Her voting pattern was what did it for me. Insanolord was obviously mafia from when he first contacted me. Lying about a role = definitely mafia. Mop always seemed to tag on a bandwagon. What threw me off Thatguy was Khush protecting him on day 1. I probably should've made sure to get an investigation off on the first day. That could've changed the tied of things, but it sounds like Khush already sealed his fate, so it likely would've snowballed in the same direction. |
| that Baby guy:
I suppose I can do a day-by-day play-by-play on my end. I've done some pretty crazy things in mafia games to get reactions and judge based on that. I had actually decided before this game that if I was mafia, I was going to make the claim publicly the first day. Then... I wound up as the godfather, and figured that was a little too much of a risk to take. Onward to day 1. The goal this day was to lay low. In games before as a townie, I've found a surprising amount of information by talking to people in private messages and in the thread. Typically the games where townies communicate frequently and fluidly are the ones which are most difficult for the mafia to win, and from the outset, my goal was not to facilitate an overwhelming townie alliance if I could help it, as the communication and free-flow of information that presents would be very challenging to overcome. Mop it up's vote fit the plan. I recommended to BeautifulShy that she talk to everyone like she used to, and be generally frantic. I didn't start out with much advice for Insanolord. Two things happened. The first is that Khushrenada reached out to me. You saw much about that above. I contacted my mafia, and asked them what they thought, and ultimately decided to go for it. The second was that Insanolord was being voted out, in part because of my vote against him. I've been in this situation before as godfather. In fact, I believe we ended up voting out Mop it up seven years ago the first day in a similar situation. At that point, back then, I gave up. I resigned there was no way around it, but at least it would be good cover. This time around, I had a little more sense. To start, I recommended Insanolord start playing the game. I recommended he pick a character and role-play as it, and post some sort of speech from the character. Then I realized he wasn't familiar with Ace Attorney, and recommended he pick a famous movie or TV lawyer. I went to research any speeches made by Matlock I could find and couldn't find anything good. Then I remember hearing some speech made by Denzel Washington in Philadelphia. I figured that would be pretty solid. I rewrote the speech as if Insanolord were giving it about this game, shared it with him, and made one final gambit since, from my perception, Insanolord was already doomed unless action was taken: I told him to lie. Pretend he's the investigator, and contact people to save him. That way, if any mafia members voted to save him, they'd have some cover that townies would also have when asked why he was voted out. Stories would be consistent. Evidence wouldn't point anyway except that everyone was duped by a mafia member. I've always wondered why mafia members in trouble rarely claim to have a role, especially early in the game. It can substantially grow trust issues among the townies. Once someone realizes they've been duped once by a mafia member claiming to have a role, anyone else with a role that steps forward will face additional scrutiny. It's a move to oppress those in the townies from uniting. In this case, it was barely expressed or played out the way I had intended, but I knew there could be a lot of potential utility. The plan that formed in my mind, going into the second day, would be to take advantage of the chaos resulting from a stopped hit on the first day, the fallout from Insanolord's turnabout, and to try to gain and control as much knowledge in regard to both of those elements. My ideal plan was, if Khushrenada was telling the truth about protecting me, to recruit the townies with roles under my fold and manipulate their operations, primarily thanks to Insanolord's move to tell people he was the investigator. Picture this: In the average player's mind, there no way I could be in the mafia, after all, I had just survived a hit. Now, the obvious next step for an outgoing player would be to form an instant alliance with trustworthy players. But there's a problem! As noted above, even when the mafia is involved in townie alliances, they typically get communication and information flowing among townies, and any action based on this information suggests there is a leak, which helps to identify the member of the mafia that is involved. There was no way I'd form a townie alliance unless I was capable of controlling this from the start. On day 2, when the townies with roles contacted me, I was going to make the claim that two people came forward as investigators. I was going to control the confusion, keeping all townie roles hidden from each other over fears of mafia lies, allowing me the opportunity to prevent any real alliance while also controlling all information and even guiding the actual investigator to investigate people who would be of no consequence or were already known. The plan was to do this until the investigator intended to investigate a mafia member, and on that night, make the hit to kill him. The next day, depending on the townie/mafia ratio, I'd either accuse the mafia member who made the claims and vote him out, thus perfecting my cover, or I'd accuse a random townie, and vote him out, ending the game for the mafia. You can see plans didn't go this way, but at this point in the game, as the first day came to a close, this was my rough outline of how to play the game, should I survive my own hit. |
| Mop it up:
First off, thanks to pokepal148 for hosting, and for answering our questions. Was everyone on vacation this game or something? It was pretty funny how many people seemed to be busy, something that certainly worked to our advantage this game, even though the days went 48 hours to give people more chances. By the end of it, our hope was to keep attention split between BeatifulShy and Insanolord, which allowed us to control the vote since we never had 4 or more against one of us to contend with. I also tried to appear obvious to certain players, in the hopes to further split the vote, since it didn't seem like the townies were really talking to each other. --- Quote from: Khushrenada on May 03, 2017, 02:18:15 AM ---I told pokepal148 to protect Mop it up on Day 2's night action but it didn't matter. --- End quote --- It would have been hilarious if you told me you had done that, and then I also could have had the hit placed on me and had it blocked. I've actually always wondered why the target for a blocked hit is announced in the thread. Seems like it should just be a general message like "The Mafia hit was blocked by the doctor," that way only the doctor would know the target is likely townie instead of confirming it for everyone. Not that it's 100% confirmation as this game shows, but this is quite an exception... --- Quote from: Fatty The Hutt on May 03, 2017, 11:54:51 AM --- As for my self-sacrifice play on Day 2, I got tripped up by thread closing. I had hoped to sway some votes toward Mop it up, who I was pretty sure by then was Mafia, but I put up my impassioned plea way too close to thread-closing time. I had read the timestamps incorrectly. --- End quote --- Ah, that explains it! I was wondering why you didn't tie it up to save yourself. I was actually sad that Thatguy chose you to vote out, I was enjoying your character. |
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