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Khushrenada:

--- Quote from: Evan_B on June 16, 2013, 12:42:46 AM ---I've yet to have one person legitimately attempt to discuss the numerous flaws I've found in 3D Land, and I posted a whole lot in the "top 10 3DS games" topic pretty religiously about it. Many people said "I have no idea what you're talking about" rather than address the lack of creativity in visual aesthetic and cohesiveness, in addition to the sloppy controls. I'm convinced the entirety of NWR is trying to troll me rather than seriously acknowledge the viewpoint of an avid Nintendo- and Mario- fan. 3D Land is possibly just as uninspired and bland as many of you claim New Super Mario Bros. 2 to be, except NSMB2 has a sense of unification.

I said that out of exasperation, though maybe I should have realized that perhaps the joke was lost on people since the last time I posted here was... well, to argue about 3D Land in the top 3DS picks. I post on here so infrequently because of the whole "the same ****, different day" vibe of the forum- my opinions mean nothing because a lot of people thought 3D Land was "neat", every game I like everyone else hates, and watching Ian Sane and Broodwars bash Nintendo. Makes me question my tastes, man...

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Eh. I've felt that way about Super Mario Galaxy. It gets so much praise and I can't help wondering if people played the same game I did. It makes you feel like people aren't thinking for themselves. I get your feelings on the matter. At the same time, other games I love there are people that intensly dislike. Super Mario Sunshine is a favorite of mine but so many people complain about things in it that I'm just as surprised about those reactions as well. Insanolord is bored by Super Mario World but I get why he likes 3D Land so much. He's a huge fan of SMB3 and 3D land really taps into that games vibe. It is the Mario game I end up comparing it to the most.

Personally, I've enjoyed Mario Land 3D a heck of a lot more than most of the other Mario games I've played. It's not one of my top 5 but it might be #6 at the moment. Looking at your complaints, I'll tell you quickly my personal thoughts on it.

I personally had no issue with the controls. That is a complaint I have with SMG. I didn't have an issue with the camera. That is another issue with SMG. The overreliance of Tanooki Suit I don't see as being any different that the reliance on feather/cape in SMW. You say you found the levels boring. I think NSMB2 was more guilty of this criticism as I can literally remember nothing except for two brief moments in that game and I just played it like 3 months ago whereas 3D Land I can start recalling a bunch of different levels and moments that stick out to me.

As for the difficulty curve, I've found of late that varies so much in any Mario game. The 2D ones are usually able to stay pretty consistant but in the 3D games, you can have a bunch of easy levels than a really hard challenge than some easy stuff and then the most difficult thing in the world and then more easy stuff. A lot of times, the last levels really aren't that challenging compared to some of the other tasks that came before it. That said, there were few times I had to go back to a level to find a coin I didn't get and that was usually because I didn't have a needed power-up. I will agree it was pretty easy but I still had some moments that took a while and would die over and over. However, I was enjoying what the game had to offer enough that it didn't bother me. Sort of like Kirby's Epic Yarn. Difficulty was low but I was just enjoying the experience.

As for the music, yeah, I'd agree with you on that as it seemed to reliant to me on past Mario tunes. That said, most music for Mario games in the past 5-6 years I've found to be pretty boring. To its credit, Galaxy did have some good music in it which I acknowledge but most other Mario games of late have failed in that regard.

Yes, the game is linear but when it was revealed and shown and released, it was always made very clear that it would be 2D levels brought into a 3D space more and you would go from one end to the next. That said, I prefer having a level layed out before you and going from A to B compared to Galaxy usually shooting me from one small rock with nothing much to see or do on it to the next small rock and so on until reaching the end of the level. At least with 3D Land, I can move from start to end and end to start if I so wish. Galaxy does not do that.

Finally, 3D Land had some new ideas in it that I don't recall seeing before in any Mario game and if they did appear before, well, they made them stand out in this game. So because of encountering this originality, it gets a higher grade/impression in my mind. So, there are some of my thoughts on the game.

Khushrenada:
Oh yeah. You also mentioned how there was no unifying aspect from one level to the next or for each of the worlds even. I do agree with you on that for sure. I found that part a bit odd as well and it does leave the game feeling a bit more abstract than any other Mario game I've ever played. I totally get why that could bother someone.

Evan_B:
We'll be Sunshine bros then, Khushrenada. I love that game to bits.

Also, apologies if I flood your backloggery feed- I'm updating all the games I've played in like, the last eight months.

shingi_70:
Game Looks great and its a follow up t my favorite 3D Mario game.

Evan_B:
Okay, so I finally got around to watching all the videos of this game.

And... as much as I hate Mice Hills, the rest of the game actually looks... *sigh*... very good. Mice Hills is the only thing that really tears at my heart, because it's so bland. But pretty much everything- 1-5, 6-3, the Tube level... they're not bad. The vertical nature of 6-3, Mice Hills, and even the Tube level is really annoying- I mean, does every level have to have a boring vertical segment? That being said, I hope this game does feature more stages with unique gameplay like 1-5, which looked genuinely fun. 6-3 wasn't even that bad because it had some aesthetic consistency- something I pray this game has over anything else.

But still, 3D Land sucks.

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