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TJ Spyke:
Game publishers have started saying that $60 is too much to charge and is just hurting game sales (I know I hate them, I have only bought 2 games for that price and one wasn't worth it). $80 would guarantee that game sales would sharply drop.

I do not want cloud-based services to be the standard. Make it an option, but do NOT have it be the only choice. What happens if my Internet service goes down? I would be screwed and not able to access my saves and other stuff.

I could see the Xbox 3 coming out in 2012, although they may want to hold out and wait until the PlayStation 4 is announced.

BlackNMild2k1:

--- Quote from: MaryJane on December 02, 2010, 09:42:02 AM ---I really don't think how long the Kinect has been on the market will affect anything, especially if the NeXBoX is compatible or more likely integrated with a Kinect.

Also, the Kinect has sold well, and beyond that, is an evolution in not only gaming, but also in computer interfacing. The next version (or even next major update) of Windows will likely include some sort of Kinect support, and that is where Kinect's real potential lies. Google Kinect hacks if you don't believe me. There are amateurs doing some really cool things with the device, including controlling a computer.

As for the NeXBoX launching in 2012, that seems reasonable since the 360 was first to launch this gen. I imagine it will be even more PC-like with a full Windows OS, cloud-based gaming/saves/other services and have full 3D games that cost $80.

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Forward Compatibility might be a major reason that MS kept the processor inside of Kinect since if Kinect was dependent on the 3core PowerPC architecture that the 360 uses, then switching to whatever the AMD Fusion II is (x86?) might mess that up. Especially if they manage to emulate BC since that would use up almost every ounce of power the processor has, leaving nothing to process Kinect with..

Ian Sane:
If MS releases this in 2012, what does Nintendo do? Couldn't you just imagine Nintendo releasing something about on par with the Xbox 360 in 2011 only to get leapfrogged but the Xbox 720 in 2012? And then it's the same thing with Nintendo a generation behind getting nothing from third parties. I've realized I don't want Sony or MS to go next gen any time soon because I do not trust Nintendo to keep up. Nintendo needs two generations in the same span that the competition has one.

But what do they do with the Xbox 720? Where do you go from here? We're online, we're in HD, we've got motion control. How do you top today's graphics and still release a game that can make a profit? If you don't provide a noticable jump, why would anyone want to upgrade? Now I know that graphics can be better but how do make a real product with something photo realistic? We're not even at a point where we have a bunch of games that can't be done on current hardware. In the past there was always arcade or PC games that the consoles couldn't do that gave us an idea of what the next gen would be like. Arcades are dead and most PC games are console multiplatform releases anyway. Consoles are now cutting edge. There is no future standard we can point to.

This current gen the consoles were too expensive to start with (especially the PS3) and devs are having problems with games having huge budgets and not making a profit. You go further with that and things will get worse. You can't charge $80. No one will buy your game. You can't nickle and dime us on microtransactions or multiplayer licences. This is the perfect time to just let things ride as they are. The PS3 is affordable, devs have gotten used to making HD games. We cannot afford another jump.

Plus I honestly think that we're at the natural plateau of obvious videogame hardware enhancements. Our graphics are at a point where things look like they should. We don't see a bunch of pixelization. We don't have art in the manual that look way better than the in-game graphics. We don't have blocky polygons. It's smooth and it looks great. The limitation is now in the art design. The sound is great. We can have big open areas and lots of characters on screen at once. We've got hard drives. We've got online working like one would expect. We've got downloadable games and DLC.

I think the sheer fact that companies are coming up with motion control or 3D visuals as the justification for new hardware shows how we have peaked. Those are forced gimmicks. They're desperate attempts to come up with new hardware because no natural or obvious progression exists. When you have to come up with some creative outside-the-box idea to be the selling feature of your new hardware, it's over. We've plateaued.

I fear that the future is either a gimmicks arms race where everyone comes up with silly kooky ideas that interest casuals but lack substance or companies try to push the "more power" idea even further and price their hardware and games out of the market. Nintendo needs to support modern TVs and have a non-retarded online model and some decent storage space but then we're set. We don't need to go any further for a long time and Sony and MS have good standards going. There is always doomsday predictions about another crash but I think the key to that is going for another gen when it is not needed - regardless of whether the justification is lame gimmicks or hardware power overkill. Any crash will be caused by console makers trying to force products no one wants down our throats.

There is one place where I think things can go further and that is in portables. I think the logical progression is that eventually portables and consoles are one in the same. The console technology becomes cheap and small enough to become portable. It doesn't mean that we only have portables, there is a desire to have your console hook up to your TV and play in your living room. No, I just see that both consoles and portables co-exist but play the exact same games. The portable is really just a portable version of the console which has the controller, speakers and screen built in and you, the consumer, get the model that better suits you.

BlackNMild2k1:

--- Quote from: Ian Sane ---We're not even at a point where we have a bunch of games that can't be done on current hardware. In the past there was always arcade or PC games that the consoles couldn't do that gave us an idea of what the next gen would be like. Arcades are dead and most PC games are console multiplatform releases anyway. Consoles are now cutting edge. There is no future standard we can point to.
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That just isn't true. PC games can be far ahead of anything that the consoles are doing, but the real money is in console gaming so most PC projects are scaled to fit the Consoles and not tailored for High End PC's.

Crysis 2 probably won't be the benchmark for Highest of the High End PC like Crysis had been for years after it's release since it's being developed with PS360 in mind.

PC 'a generation ahead' of PS3 and 360, but being held back - Crytek
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=277729

--- Quote from: Crytek ---"As long as the current console generation exists and as long as we keep pushing the PC as well, the more difficult it will be to really get the benefit of both," Yerli told the latest issue of Edge.

"PC is easily a generation ahead right now. With 360 and PS3, we believe the quality of the games beyond Crysis 2 and other CryEngine developments will be pretty much limited to what their creative expressions is, what the content is. You won't be able to squeeze more juice from these rocks."

"I generally think it's still developers' mentality [that is to blame]," he added. "A lot nowadays don't consider PC a big issue any more; their [sales] expectations are nowhere near what they are for the console versions. Until the PC market creates comparable revenues, companies are not going to spend enough on the PC SKU of a game."
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Morari:
Shouldn't be be getting new consoles about RIGHT NOW? I mean, these things we have in the store currently are ancient. They're holding games back! :P

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