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| BeautifulShy:
Wow lots of former posters are chiming in on this.It makes ya think how much Bill meant to them and the forums. I agree completely EasyCure. |
| vudu:
--- Quote from: Lindy on January 25, 2009, 04:46:41 PM ---Understand that in order to get perma-banned, you have to REALLY try hard. We don't ban people without cause, we don't do it on a whim, and we don't get any pleasure out of doing it (frankly, it's a bunch of drama we don't need). --- End quote --- And this is a big part of the problem as far as I'm concerned. Why treat banning as a last resort? It's not a nuke (that would be shutting down the forums completely); it's a targeted assault. (I can't believe I'm saying this, but) Kotaku is great because they regularly ban terrible posters. If someone is all around sucky, get rid of them. Posting is a privilege, not a right. If nothing else, I think you should temp-ban people at the drop of a hat. It would keep people on their toes and make them think before they post something for the world to see. EDIT: I am not referring to anyone specific poster. Truth be told, I don't think we have that many people fit into the above category. But they are out there, and life would be better if they were gone. --- Quote from: Lindy on January 25, 2009, 04:46:41 PM ---I can't directly control whether or not people stay or leave this forum. That's up to them. --- End quote --- Well there goes my entire belief system. ;D |
| NWR_pap64:
--- Quote from: nitsu niflheim on January 25, 2009, 05:39:57 PM --- --- Quote from: vudu on January 25, 2009, 04:13:34 PM --- --- Quote from: pap64 on January 25, 2009, 03:07:41 PM ---One time, back when the Brawl forum was still around I was in an argument with someone (don't remember who) and that person called me a hypocrite. When I warned a mod about it all he said was "Eh, it was a mild insult". Whether the insult was harsh or mild it was still a personal attack, and those are against the rules. --- End quote --- I only vaguely recall this incident, but I'm inclined to agree with the mod on this one. Someone calling you a hypocrite isn't a direct insult. It sounds like someone disagreed with you and you went crying to mommy. Mommy told you to grow a pair. (Believe it or not, I don't mean this in a rude way--it's just the only way I can think to describe it.) If someone called you a moron for saying two different things at different times it's an insult. If someone calls you a hypocrite for the same reason it's not an insult, they're just calling you out. --- End quote --- Calling someone a hypocrite is a direct personal attack. Being called a hypocrite is not a nice thing. Regardless of whether it's mild or harsh. And if that's against the rules then it's against the rules. It just goes to show that depending on the Mod who gets the complaint the discipline or lack there of, is where the problem is. There should be one standard and all members should be held to that and Mods should not pick and choose how they act on the complaints. The problem with Mods is some don't know the difference between friends and business friends. --- End quote --- Exactly my point. It doesn't matter if the insult is mild or harsh, the important thing is that if the rules say no direct personal attacks no matter the commenter or the topic then it should be enforcer and everyone warned. I didn't ask for the guy to get warned but a warning was indeed needed and that's mainly what I wanted. I've been to forums where they are far much strict as to what you can do or say, and people accept it just fine. Some people seem to forget that when you sign up to a forum you first have to accept the terms of service. When you accept it you agree to all of the rules and accept to be disciplined if you break them. Mods and staff members also seem to forget this and either ignore the offending posts or go easy on them. Both the staff members and the forum members are bound to the rules as mentioned in the ToS. All must follow it. Once this is done everyone gets respect points and the forums have credibility. |
| Kairon:
--- Quote from: vudu on January 25, 2009, 05:59:22 PM --- --- Quote from: Lindy on January 25, 2009, 04:46:41 PM ---Understand that in order to get perma-banned, you have to REALLY try hard. We don't ban people without cause, we don't do it on a whim, and we don't get any pleasure out of doing it (frankly, it's a bunch of drama we don't need). --- End quote --- And this is a big part of the problem as far as I'm concerned. Why treat banning as a last resort? It's not a nuke (that would be shutting down the forums completely); it's a targeted assault. (I can't believe I'm saying this, but) Kotaku is great because they regularly ban terrible posters. If someone is all around sucky, get rid of them. Posting is a privilege, not a right. If nothing else, I think you should temp-ban people at the drop of a hat. It would keep people on their toes and make them think before they post something for the world to see. EDIT: I am not referring to anyone specific poster. Truth be told, I don't think we have that many people fit into the above category. But they are out there, and life would be better if they were gone. --- End quote --- I don't think I'm comfortable with the idea that banning should be used to weed out "sub-standard" posters. Most of those people GoldenPhoenix seems perfectly capable of chasing away on her own... j/k &P --- Quote from: nitsu niflheim on January 25, 2009, 05:39:57 PM ---Calling someone a hypocrite is a direct personal attack. Being called a hypocrite is not a nice thing. Regardless of whether it's mild or harsh. And if that's against the rules then it's against the rules. It just goes to show that depending on the Mod who gets the complaint the discipline or lack there of, is where the problem is. There should be one standard and all members should be held to that and Mods should not pick and choose how they act on the complaints. --- End quote --- I don't know. Is it a personal attack if someone is specifically called a hypocrite? Is it a personal attack if their actions are described as hypocritical? What's the difference? |
| NWR_pap64:
Regarding the hypocrite comment to be perfectly honest I don't remember who said it or on what thread it happened. What I remember was that it was a Brawl thread. Those that know me remember that I made a lot of comment regarding Brawl, from conspiracy theories in the story mode to the bad online mode. This annoyed people, especially when many just wanted to enjoy the game. This happened in one of those discussions. The poster directly called me a hypocrite for a comment he disagreed on and rather than trying to discuss it he wanted to fight it. It just struck me as odd because we were discussing a game, and while we do get passionate about games around here I think calling someone a hypocrite over gaming discussion is pretty harsh. |
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