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| Gamer Donkey:
Quote I favor re-titling the thread to "Discussion on Iraq" as it is a continuing issue which is still related to the war. --- End quote --- I would prefer changing it to "World Relations" as we do discuss things not pertaining directly to Iraq. Just my personal opinion. Quote France, Germany, Russia have fail because because of thier own self centered interest had prevented them from estabishing a united front. --- End quote --- These countries should not be persecuted in any way, shape, or form because any country will do anything to protect their interests. You didn't hear on the news about the weapons funded by us (USA) during the Iraqi war with Iran. Heck, we even funded much of Al Quieda. They're bad decisions in retrospect, but back then they were best for our country. Quote Go look in the Congo, look at Sarivajo, look at Iraq. The UN had failed to uphold it's resolutions and failed even to uphold the peace. Congo reverted back to civil disorder, Bosina is barely a country, Iraq got invaded due to in part to it's inactions. --- End quote --- It's been said far earlier in this discussion that the UN is not a government. The worst thing they can do is condemn a hostile action and authorize governments to go in and fix the problem. I'm willing to bet they would have supported our invasion, had we gone about it in a different manner. I believe if we had gone in there saying, "Hey, we think Iraq poses a threat to us. We want you to send in inspectors and if they find something or are denied access, we will take pre-emptive action." Now of course it wouldn't be worded quite like that, but this is what I think the US sounded like to other countries: "Hey, we hate Saddam and we're going in there whether you like it or not, so you might as well approve our resolution." Please don't flame me or anyone who supports that statement (God forbid) as it was purely opinion. Quote Would you report what you saw on the daily show as something you believe to be the whole hearted truth? --- End quote --- He was not saying his information was from the Daily Show, he was saying his statements sound better if read in Jon Stewart's parodic style. |
| oohhboy:
Quote These countries should not be persecuted in any way, shape, or form because any country will do anything to protect their interests. You didn't hear on the news about the weapons funded by us (USA) during the Iraqi war with Iran. Heck, we even funded much of Al Quieda. They're bad decisions in retrospect, but back then they were best for our country. --- End quote --- I never said these countries should be persecuted. I said they failed to help maintan peace becauses they could not come up with a united front which was a result of each country having thier own agendas. If they came out in one strong voice, the US would have had to think otherwise. Quote It's been said far earlier in this discussion that the UN is not a government. The worst thing they can do is condemn a hostile action and authorize governments to go in and fix the problem. --- End quote --- I ask you, who are those soldiers in blue helmets? They are UN troops. Donated to work in the countries they are deployed it. They were deployed in Congo and even they are too scared to enforce the law there leading to civil disorder. Of course, the UN does not have enough troops to figh a war, but they were never ment to. Quote I'm willing to bet they would have supported our invasion, had we gone about it in a different manner. I believe if we had gone in there saying, "Hey, we think Iraq poses a threat to us. We want you to send in inspectors and if they find something or are denied access, we will take pre-emptive action." Now of course it wouldn't be worded quite like that, but this is what I think the US sounded like to other countries: "Hey, we hate Saddam and we're going in there whether you like it or not, so you might as well approve our resolution." Please don't flame me or anyone who supports that statement (God forbid) as it was purely opinion. --- End quote --- What happened when the UN got kicked out of Iraq in 1998? Nothing. Iraq violated a key resolution. Instead of trying to get back in, they waited till some one(The US) got pissed off enough to even bother asking the UN to send in weapon inspectors. Since 1998 the UN had done nothing in the region, they sat there with thier continueing sanctions and did nothing. Now even with Saddam gone, the sanctions continue. After the first gulf war, the UN has simply been unable to get it's act togeather. It is a shame really, I like Kofi Annon. A good guy surrounded with people who can't even agree on what thier doing in the UN. As for the "We hate Saddam thing" he had it coming for 5 years since the inspectors were kicked out. |
| The Omen:
Dictator=bad. Whats so hard about that? Of course we have interest there, but France has much more economically speaking, than the U'S'. That is why they did NOT back us, after saying they would. They were giving counsel to Saddam up to the eve of war. How can anyone defend them? Pacifists can, because they'll defend anybody against aggression. Unfortunately, until these people realize that war and aggression are here to stay, and have always been a necessity, they will continue to defend any country that opposes war. If it wasn't for war, where would we be now? Where would France be now? Kuwait? Go through history, and you'll see war is sometimes the only solution, and when you are given standards by which to abide, and you agree, then spit in the face of them, you have just sealed your own fate. As Saddam has done for 15 years. I was proud when the iraqis tore down the Saddam statue. I am proud today, no matter what else transpires, because i know these people will taste freedom for the first time. Who could be against freeing a people? By the way, go through history, and you'll see we are the only 'super power' -EVER- to not try and take over another country. |
| Ocarina Blue:
There are a few points I'd like to make here, they pretty much sum up my opinion on the war by themselves: War is thought by most to be needed sometimes, but only in the right situations. Not many people were against theGulf war, because it was to most, clearly justified. Pacifists rely on solving conflict through non-violent means, not through ignoring them. France and Russia prevously both had large oil contracts with Iraq. Even though the sanctions resulted in over half a million deaths in Iraq after the first gulf war, no country in the UN bothered to try to fix it. The USA used cluster bombs in towns in Iraq, cluster bombs are designed to kill lots of people in concentrated areas, and were the cause of 1500 recorded deaths after the first gulf war. There have been more brutal things happen in other parts of the world for a long time now, that have been completly ignored by almost all nations. Examples of this are persecution and flooding of traditional culture in Tibet by the Chinese government, torture and slaughtering of rebels in Aech in Indonesia and ethnic massacres in Rewanda. The USA has no need to invade a country, it protects its 'forien interests' such as oil wells in Saudi Arabia and Nigera quite well. China before the 'communist' regime there never invaded another country. |
| oohhboy:
Quote Pacifists rely on solving conflict through non-violent means, not through ignoring them. --- End quote --- That is true, but is the UN a Pacifist? I believe it is not. It either athorises action, or completely ignores it. You very own examples prove that. THe UN was built to be the world police. It's primary mission included preventing another world war and to settle new or continuing conflicts. Thankfully it has keeped another World War from erupting, but has failed to even address the second point with any true resolve. Quote France and Russia prevously both had large oil contracts with Iraq. --- End quote --- Fair enough. They had thier own agenda and so does everybody else. Quote The USA used cluster bombs in towns in Iraq, cluster bombs are designed to kill lots of people in concentrated areas, and were the cause of 1500 recorded deaths after the first gulf war. --- End quote --- Same is said about landmines, there is supose to be a ban on both isn't there now? Quote Even though the sanctions resulted in over half a million deaths in Iraq after the first gulf war, no country in the UN bothered to try to fix it. --- End quote --- The US after taking control, tried to get the sanctions lifted immediatly only to be stone walled by France and Russia. Why? Quote There have been more brutal things happen in other parts of the world for a long time now, that have been completly ignored by almost all nations. Examples of this are persecution and flooding of traditional culture in Tibet by the Chinese government, --- End quote --- Tibet happened 50 years ago when China and US relations were at an all-time-low. Even if the UN authorised war to kick China out, who would go in? Not the US, not Britian. Why? No will to do so and authorising action against China at the time would have caused world war 3. But even now nothing is done. The UN has ignored pleas from the leaders of Tibet. Why? It is the price of world peace. Until some one thinks of a way around this problem, the status quo on this issue stays. Quote torture and slaughtering of rebels in Aech in Indonesia and ethnic massacres in Rewanda. --- End quote --- Both been Civil Wars is outside of UN power interms of authorising miltary action, but does allow sending in of peace keepers. It is clearly a UN matter. The US and allies has not intention or right or obligation to do anything about it until they are attacked themselfs. Quote The USA has no need to invade a country, it protects its 'forien interests' such as oil wells in Saudi Arabia and Nigera quite well. China before the 'communist' regime there never invaded another country. --- End quote --- The differences is that those foregin intrests ask asked for the US's help and China before the Communist moved in was like France, always invaded. |
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